Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the paranorm Peep Show on the Paranormal
UK Radio Network and I'm your host, Neil Ward. Now
today we have a slightly different show for you. On
Saturday May the tenth, I ventured that to Reading to
meet up with Ben Emmlyin Jones and also former guest
Gary Robinson. We met up at Wetherspoons Pub in the
heart of Reading in Berkshire in the UK and we
discussed all manner of things, but of course we did
come back to the woo subjects. So stay tuned for
the Paranormal Peep Show live in Reading.
Speaker 1: Oh Hi, it's us, It's Ben. Now you doing who? Well,
yeah we are. We're in the Wetherspoons me, Gary and
Neil and Lonafairn. Yep. We heart arrived a bit late,
but we got here. In the end we're having an
avenue chat, jumping from one musical tech talk with Gary
to woo stuff with Ben, and I'm sure we're going
to go right now through afternoon. Actually it's great when
we were this is I'm never happy when we wogos
get together and with socialized like this. You're Weddspoons where
else and when we always assembly with our massive amounts
of documents, have hardened proof and the evidence for everything
that we're challenged, and this is it, you know, yeah,
praus men, we'll do on case. Just the American boog
for Maerking triple bird this much. She's got the same
meal bow looks at least, yeah, it was in triple bow.
What source do you want? Maybe a bit of catch
up Ben would be great. You are American triple burn. Yeah,
it's pretty Hello, it looks like it would kind of mini,
but they are a triple Yeah, very good. I don't
think that's a very healthy option, to be honest. But now, Haro,
what happened to Ben's dying? He was going to be
on some sort of uh yeah, he didn't. He didn't
meant diet, Yeah, yeah, monkey sort of spiritual diet. He
was telling me some this is the Christmas period is
I guess the diets went out the window.
Speaker 3: I just did a memory about being in San Antonio,
Texas once and I got to this bar late at
night and they said, sorry, the kitchens on the limited availability.
Speaker 1: All we've got ish mini burgers burgers.
Speaker 3: I think mini burgers sound schoons And when when the
Burgers were the Liberys, they were larger than this cold spoons.
Speaker 1: They normally better than.
Speaker 3: That fancasise that was that was, that was many fool
perside me for they Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1: The streps and chip ships. Good pepper, that's maybe they're
still that's great the two arts of coloring drag pepper,
dge or pepper. I'm all right, there's not I got
a Swiss roll for.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 1: Push them down the Eiger. Sorry, steps and chips ship.
Speaker 3: But it is a bit of a so this is
going to be a special paranormal peep shown.
Speaker 1: So she's a woo wu social. I mean, you can't
beat them around the world. We'll send the invoye to
marinermal Uk Radio network. Yes, it's a business meeting. Bray,
you've got to pay one mark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think i'd see a couple of men
in black over about it.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, they were chips as well. Careful what
you told me that?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so what I think we need to get
see you on a bottle and this is.
Speaker 1: Something anyway I was gonna sell you guys something you
might be familiar with. This Ben Mena gave me a
book which was on Christmas. But it's an old books
you found and she gave it to me recently, and
there's a book about the moon and moon missions and
things like that. So I took some photographs off some
pages because normally you get all these pictures online, but
these ones seem to be super sharp quality. And I
actually found some pictures that I've looked at before. If
I could find a buy ima, let me go back
to all photos out of you'd be shots that are
not very well distributed, that would maybe not coming frost before. Yeah,
most people don't even see them. Here we go. So
this is from the follow seventeen and I've seen this
image before. Sorry, I've always seen this. You remember that
I recognized this? Yeah, yeah, And I don't know what
it is, but I'm gonna I've got a closer upper
picture as well. There's two things. So there's this, which
I thought, what the hell's that? And what is Yeah?
So then I've got a close rooms and it looks
like some sort of door. You could almost imagine a
train door or a plane door or something like that.
Help it's to be half buried in the dor. But
then and I upload this to chat GTP and it
says it's definitely a rectangular structure of some sort, you
know what was half buried. Then ah, is this the
end of the set? Wall here? Straight lines that? Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, steedron and you've got a dividing line and
he goes across said to another line.
Speaker 3: And that that the bat there looks like it's got
a different kind of focus.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it probably would have a different focus,
but but I'm just thinking, so yeah, look, look structure
there stopped a deadline down and then go across there,
because that's how Stanley Kreue you to do it was
he was a tweet am. But the cuebrick vines and
so it's like having a wall there and there's a
bit down there and a bit down there, the bit
down there, and then but the background becomes less detailed,
sort of green. That was the name that you gave
to that technique. Because there's the main career, isn't there
rear projection? Right, So the idea is that you would
have a translucent screen and they looked the protagonists say
that it's actually probably done on a projection screen made
by three M who invented these reflective beads and they
put them onto this screen in their thousands, and they
reflected the light was projected from the projector of summer
sort onto the screen, and when it's all correctly exposed,
this would come up and show up. And they did
it for Superman, this rear projections or the stuff, you know.
And then you worked for a while. I mean because
someone's COO did use that in the Moon scenes see
on them, yeah, two thousand and one. Yeah, so there's that.
And then there was something some of the players. I
can't remember. It was inspiction, but I've like, let me
just find I don't know if I might not have
it on there, but that was this one here that's
a Russian Moonlander. Oh yes, since the duels they planned for. Yeah,
it looks like a steamplunk, doesn't it. That's what they
planned their own name pond of the NR Moon mission,
which they never actually they did test it in orbit,
but they never They apparently canceled for some reason. I mean,
it's never been explaining something why they canceled their moon Issson.
They sure they had a disaster whe the Rocky blew up,
that's right one, but then they just sort of I said, oh,
forget that there, We're just focus on lower th orbit,
which seemed to me sounds a bit weird because it
doubled up as a great washing machine. But I mean
it's it's it is odd that they just sort of
like canceled it, and so because they could have got
their first which had been like a Patrick in terms
of the face exploration kind of looks like the destroyers from.
Speaker 3: Eight Walkers, and in the Clone Wars is one that
looks exactly like that that walk I suppose they got
their inspiration from that sort of thing I've always wondered about.
Speaker 1: For instance, buzz Aldrin and like you go to earlier pits.
To me, he doesn't look like the same guy, you know,
isn't it you know that's him in nineteen sixty nine,
And I know obviously people are asian them, you know,
but he's obviously you know, he was losing his hair then,
but suddenly his hair grows back or I don't know,
he's got a two pack. He does look like a
different guy.
Speaker 3: To that is, we would never know if they were
Axis yeah, yeah, and life Access yeah.
Speaker 1: Bever, I mean I do know that he's been he's
been out of the media lately because he's been sort
of like, because he is unfortunate suffering from dementia, he's
been letting slip a few things that he shouldn't. Definitely
trying to retire, Yeah, but he should know if you should.
Saxon has a lot of song about Roswell. Who's got
Saxon Saxon? Yeah, I mean I won't have him out
about it. And I didn't even know they were still going.
In fact, I thought they were all dead. I assume
they're good, have died of drug overs in Gonneea years ago,
but they're still good. They did an international tour two
years ago. I mean they're in their seventies a days like, Yeah,
it's a really quite amusing scene and prancing around stage.
Later they got these seventy five year old guys are
long white hair, I mean they did so. And they
got a song about Rosewell it's called It's called There's
Something in Roswell. Wow. Yeah. I didn't own article about
it like a couple of days ago, and I was
really surprised because, like, I know who lives since I
was a kid, I no idea it was a steal
and Strangers in the Night it's like I've never I
was never a fan of them to be on a
live thousands of days, some of years ago, and I
used to know a few baselines on the right they
were I never don't this is it. Look, I had
no idea they were either still alive. Ohs were the Yes,
you know, rock stars don't normally live that long. I say,
drug overs and gone and stuff. I think they have
liner changes and you know, I mean, you know the
central core guy and the singer. There's there's Biff, the
this and the Biff Boyford, and there's the old one
our comedy's name. But they've been with it since in
there literally fifty years, but there's been they've had some
new one. They's him, yeah, seventy six or something years now,
and then all the others are almost as old. There
used to be a base player, Steve Something's name was,
and he used to have like a baseball cap hat. Yeah.
I mean I think he's still in it. He's still
He's changed his hair, but he's still. I know you
even he was going bored at the times. Oh no,
go ahead, sorry to have it. Yeah, But I mean
they haven't changed their style. I mean they're still very eighties,
aren't they. Yeah, let the headbang and the long hair.
Sorry glam rock new wave of heavy metal, so you
can't really hear the but look at look at the
images your commony are then wow, there's something you know, like,
oh wow cool, let's see look at the images there
for the picture to do it. Yeah, roswellt Daily News
has he admitted to being into ufhos me. I'm not
tormight know that the first off. I mean I hadn't
heard the Produne for about like since I was like
about eighteen. And then suddenly, oh, Saxon have got songing.
I see someone thommas Saxon have got a sort of
Saxon from anyone younger than me? Once, what are you
talking about? And I looked at I think there was
old Bif Boy for the really old Biff boyfo doing
this song and I thought wow, I thought, knowing they're
still going they're singing about beings like this crikey. And
he's like, yeah, Biff is like the he does all
the combination and lyrics. I mean, he had the brains
behind the band. I thought he must be like he
must have heard about all that from Sheffield of you. Yeah,
somewhere in the auth of England.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all celebrities are into the subjects, like Paul Sinclair
on True prof He had Robbie Williams on Yeah, Robbie Willie,
isn't it?
Speaker 1: And he said the other day he's kind of visiting
the X week. See if you're some of your filming.
Robbie Williams is an experience chase. So when he was
a kid, I used to get it to Pinege he
had abduction experiences. Yeah really and yeah, and he went
through a phase when he was going to all the
conferences and things like that. He stopped when basically people
were taking a piss out of him because the travelois
really ripped him a bit horrible. They had a picture
of him dressers like his whole farm with a cough
cap and were like and like making out he's some
kind of yokul and it was a bit much for him.
You know, he just thought it's unfortunate, you know, it's
he's just you try to step back after that, which
is sad. It's sad that he feels put in that position.
See he might be in a better position now, though,
wouldn't he, Because now they're doing Congress and yeah, these
talks and they did a whole episode of truth Burt
didn't he so I have to listen to that. Paul
had him on the show that the front of Paul Show,
and it goes, it goes by the same time as mine.
It goes, it goes to a PM every Thursday. It
says his show, and it's like it's unfortunates only so
many hours in the day, you know. Yeah, I mean,
I Paul, Paul's a good guy. I've never met him,
but it sounds like a good bloke.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: You go through all like the conferences you'll see him
at like Awaken, at the White Car and he was
at some he was at the Olm, the one they
did in Manchester, the Master Awakening and the black Ball Awakening.
Speaker 3: I remember the one where you went in disguise, the
Why Mass and they did a Sunday episode saying something
We've got to mention boys.
Speaker 1: In Emlyn johnes Brad. I feel guilty. Actually did apologize
to him after when I saw him again awake froming Master,
because I'd say, look, Paul, I mean because I did
to speak to him in my faith, he said, Ben
I didn't know that was you. I really didn't know
that was you, And I said it must have been
pretty good. Then I bet.
Speaker 6: Even you thought that you were taking a kiss out
of them, but you thought you were going to get
kicked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a couple who actually thought I was aful.
They thought I was like that. So the other guy
who they didn't want in Russ Kellett. They thought I
was Russ Kellett's because they thought it was Ross Kellett
in disguise. And they followed me for a little one.
I only did a number. Yeah it was it was
not it was that it was Paul. There's a couple
of other people that was on the field, thank you,
And they followed me for was why I stayed in
character when I was in my hotel room and after sleep,
when I was like, when I was in my hotel room,
the only place I could like take my disguise and
was in my hotel room. And I only thought this
when I got there, and I suddenly realized there's gonna
be delegacy here staying I can't let anyone know why
I'm in town because they'll work out it's me. I say,
what's been doing it? He is banned from the conference, and
he's in a town where of conferences where he's been
banned from. Then you have the zoomer freak. There's the
two gaukiastick. Yeah, I to pretend to be disabled.
Speaker 4: That was a good way of covering up my own appearance,
by the way, my own real method acting, and that
really was going to tear streets on.
Speaker 1: I went hard, like working on my look at how
I'd speak, and like you could have clean hit. I mean,
everyone said, why why is it? Why doesn't go this lengths?
It's because I was banned from I just got so
upset the Christmas Eve? Was it a band because I
keep doing different things? Oh, we didn't ban you with
sent you a ticket? I don't know. He literally said
to me, I bought a ticket and then contacted me
said why have you bought a ticket to my conference?
I said, I want to do yeah, And then there
was like a pause and he said, Ben, you know
Sasha's going to be there, and Alison and and David,
David jan at least people are going to be there.
And now David Jones is yeah, exactly, feel free to
record this and so everyone knows this anyway, and he said,
I feel And he said, you don't know they're going
to be there, don't you? And I says yeah, And
then then I expect him to he didn't reply. But
then then like a few hours later, I've got a
message saying, Ben, I've returned your ticket. Myna'm and Afreid,
I cannot go ask you not to attend. I can't
believe the dude, order will be maintained if you're there.
And I said, Tris, I'm not going to cause any trouble,
and he's just unfortunately, you know, I don't want to
take the risks, so could you please not attend? And
I really that upset me because I've never been banned
from the conference. It's not nice to fear our word gun. Yeah,
because what a bit of I've I mean, if there's
a if there is a criticism you could make of me,
I suppose you could say that some people find me
a little bit overbearing in other words, but this it's
I get over enthusiastic, and I get I get a
conference fever, as I call it, where I get still
a bit wild and I get a little bit intense
and getting people's faces. I've become a bit exuberant, too
extra too extrovert, and some people find that intimidating, and
not for any fault in my ear, but I mean,
that's that is, that's the only real criticism you could
make of me at a conference, and I've never been
and that doesn't warrant to ban. Yeah, I mean, and
you are at a conference, so you've got to get
into the spirit. Yeah, and I do it. It goes
to my head sometimes, But apart from that, you can't
make any criticism my conduct. I've never ever been, I've
never called, I've never given any course. I've been going
to conferences. In two thousand and six, when I went
to probe the first time, I've never in all that time,
ever given anyone any cause of concern about my presence
at a conference, having invited to speak at many of them,
and I've spoken to many of them. So you were
first probed in two thousand and six. I was pro
deeply in the fact that I was kind of hooked
from the moment I got there. I literally was. I
never thought this is for me, and I've been to
almost all the other ones since until a competence shutdown,
and so yeah, so that was very it's very upsetting
when I decided to. When the conference restarted after the
lockdown and out of the Miss magazine too came along,
I managed to get hold of a tickets. Never mind
how but I'm asked to get hold a ticket from
a third party. She'll say okay, and and I well,
I can't look in there because I'll know it's me.
And so I thought, i'm'd have to weary disguies, what
sort of disky's gone away? And I was starting to
work come up with the debut. During the scut I
started thinking about how I would what would I need
to look different? And I thought, I'm for povin which
I had not like a chirt and tight. I'll need
like a hat to cover my head because I knowed
toe to shake my head because I face covering, which
is very It's very easy to to use an excuse
because this was just ap to COVID and a lot
of people still wearing masks or so were you hadn't
masked in't ago? And but what about the sunblind? I
need something to cover my eyes because I think about recognition,
like recognizing people is you? And I did wonder about this,
but when you when you see someone your well, the
way it works, your brain works is you see a
few little markers about somebody, basic symbols, basic features of
their face. And only when you see those does your
brain like look into more detailed images of that particular person. Well,
if you don't give the person the initial trigger for recognition,
they don't. Still your brain does not look for the others.
So I thought if I cover, if I do that,
no one's going to know it's me. And if I cover,
like if I discuss voice and I sort of talk
like this. And also I pretended I was ill. I
had a disability to cover up my gaze the worst
powerful work, so no one want to look. I wouldn't
look like how long is you? When I walk, my
face was covered and the the I actually have gloves
on as well, because I came up with this idea
that I was sensitive to sunlight. I had a disease
where I was says to say light. I thought, yeah,
so I had had sun hat on all time, even
indoor over his mess cover with the sticks and everything. Yeah,
it was that tricky. Though it sounds an ad boiling over.
I just put the camera down and I've walked into
the hotel room with my disguise. I see he's in
the video. It's in the video, and believe or not,
I did get away with it. I did get away
with it. I mean it's really odd because like no
one said a word. But then I went home and
uploaded the video, and then of course then the copes begin.
Everyone is like covered everyone, everyone is like post on Facebook. Yeah, yeah,
we knew it was Ben all along.
Speaker 4: We decided saying, as well, you can sell the anty
the video on the dage that you just breezed through.
Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody's stared, and nobody even looked. Only the people
who thought I was Russ Kellett and they fell with
me around but honestly, but then, I mean, I didn't
know who this people were. There's only handle there's only
two or three of them thought I might be rus
Kellett and I wasn't. These banned as well. But you
know what's really really odd is that some and that's
if they knew it was me, Why did no one
say a single word on social media until oh, there's
the video. Ben's here, but we're not We're gonna let
him get away with a benzjit. No one said a
single word agent, and I know he.
Speaker 3: Didn't say anything until a troof proof is on until
by video and still my video was uploaded and then
they that's when it all came out.
Speaker 1: And also the organizer said, Ben, but I did send
you a ticket look because yeah, and like yeah, well
it showed me like a document that looked like like
an in an infantry where my name appeared. I thought
you could, like anyone can make that up.
Speaker 3: It was all a coke because you had a guy
in your comments who was surressing you for about.
Speaker 1: A year and a half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go asking you'd a prove whether you were riot
or presure somebody this is I had a little of
an issue that guy had a bit of a problem.
Speaker 1: I ended up going a block him. He was just
he was just a real He was like a headcase.
I mean totally like he was just coming old something
and I'm just comming he wouldn't talk anything else that's there.
And still want to discuss this anymore. We start getting
an English by block too, when really it really.
Speaker 4: Threw us entering the words of the comfort works because
they call it off add before and for every so
and but even when a lot of course of the
entire comments, reply videos.
Speaker 1: We joined through his long comments and like h and
in the end I just had to say, look, I'm
not going to appoint this issue anymore secty. He started
abusing his side blogs. Yeah, he did start to sound unheanish, Yeah,
season or used and it's really funny enough like and
since then, Chris, because like the last one we did,
Chris sent me and he actually send me, like Flyers said,
you want to go alongest to me, Ben even comes
to yourself this tight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people out there right now and using the eras
and religion things away and the people I've gotten read
planet TV channel on YouTube or upload the classics, just
the UFO star and it started to get quite a
lot of traffic. But what you notice is the more traffic,
the more comments I get from empty channels, and those
comments are normally aimed at true and they all in
the rosiest or are you nons or something equally form.
Speaker 1: That is great. I thought it was a neat. It's
part of the bouse I get these ere from as well.
When I go to the child page, it's exactly saying
complete blank channel, no uploads, no favor yet, no no avatar,
nothing is just true someone. Yeah, someone's literally and we
look at the date when the channel was established, shoes
like will be four. Someone's literally created the YouTube channel.
Probably someone I've already bought. Yeah, she ues a putty
with the Droig trolls who just just to say horrible
things about somebody or me usually if they say horrible
things about me and stuff on this. So yeah, I
mean we don't take any thing seriously. The drugs are
different than drouids. I can spot them, you see the
droid because they're very bad actors and I know them
are I mean there's that. I know this's more than
one person because sometimes they're their spellings better than others.
Where did the word drugs come from? All these cool Yeah,
it's a very sci fiing. You know who you're talking about?
D One, Well, the lead the ringings could Julian And
I know who he is because I met him. I
actually met him and he was remember the David eye
for him and he actually met him in two thousand
and seven in the David I Forum meet up. Sounds
no fact he was. He's creepy. It'll go for Julia. Yeah,
and then but I mean he's why I do they
do this I don't know why they've lasted on some people.
Well I've done nothing to provoke us, but as him
and his mates, and there's a loan not as at
least four of them, I know. With the IP addresses
they used and the fact that they they're always seed
you online, I think they're live to fix some of
them in other countries because in different times though it
is because they all seen to be one of them
is unless, of course she can get these v IP
proxy things, can't you. It gives the impression you're in
I can't. Yeah, they're going to use it in there,
but it always online. They never seemed to sleep. I mean,
I always get to replise very quickly when when they
was to sneak into my forum and now I mean,
but then he he was exposed because I know because
he had another proxy called Tiswart. It was this was
like a character who was like an old Indian lady
who I who loved cats. And I found out that
Julian was tis Was to see and I realized that
they were through the IP addresses. I realized that ti
Was was posting from the same IP as Drake, and
I realized that that Droid and chis was was the
same person. But the Droid thing I don't know. I
think it may come from John Drake because he was
one of his proxies used on the David Ike form.
He's to do the same thing on David eichfl used
to keep joining and mouthing off and then got banned.
He used to come back with another username. But that
John Drake is supposedly one of the names or the
I don't know why. They are just hands of the prisoner.
I want to know who number six is mister McGowan's character,
and apparently there's some theory, and I don't know how
they came at. His name's John Drake, and that came
that was short to Drake, and eventually it was it
was like corrupting to Draike and I just known it
was team Droike ever since.
Speaker 7: Certainly the horrible word it paints the picture of bargain
something new dodgy ool look here from that's exactly.
Speaker 1: But you went to meet him for a fight in
plot food doesn't know them to. I just got fed
up with him one day and I said, look this
because because he came back he joined the forum of
the user name that's the news and I can't remember.
I've actually preserved it. I preserve the thread. But it
was like the avatar was like Charles Bronson, the not
the actor, but the prisoner that no one could control,
the guy that the guy that there was. He was
this big ball guy was so violent they put him
in solitary con finals. Yeah, yeah, it was a good
it was. He seems like a character. I mean, he
was an artist and everything. You know, she had this
sensitive side to himself. Anyone who went near him and
just punched him in the face. But then they started
starting mouth look at under this and in the hen
In the end, I just said to him, do you
want to meet up this? I can't do this anymore.
Let's just meet up and lad a little discussion about
this man to man and face to face. And this
friend went on and I was like challenging and kept
pushing it and he's making excuses. In the end, I
cornered him and he agreed to meet me. And what
off of this location in one book, I think that
they were there and germing, but him, you know, that's this.
Otherwise he would have he would have glowed in a
I don't think so. Otherwise he would have probably taken
photographs and said, oh, there's Benny. He's got a pastic
saw them a cricket helmet on reguard be there. Yeah,
I had a box on as well, because I just thought,
what if he does turn. I mean also quite like
a cricket al little because there's a sense of fair
play and things like that. And the plastic sword is
kind of symbolic of like, it's only a plastic one.
It was a toy sword. This symbolical conflict about about
dealing with conflict on a spiritual level.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The sword is often symbolic. It's like arrow cards you're
taking around me. It's kind of it's kind of yeah,
it's it's a masculine symbol of the chivalry and on
things like that, and and the rifle, use of forge
and things like that. And I thought I'd take the
plastic sword in me in my bag. And then of
course he never turned up, and then I made a
matter into it is too. All those years they were
mouthing off bell line and they didn't show up to
when it came to a real life confrontation. They shrink
like that's typical of trolls that you chose any of
your trolls to meet up and they won't shown up.
They don't have any yet and they have Jack which
you did a troll conference. I thought you should one,
but it's it's difficult. But well we'll not want to
turn up. That's a problem. Yeah, but it's guys, if
this is a man, just say, won't you stand the
day you Jones come out in front of me and
it's like, why don't you stand in front of you
say this to my face? I mean I always say
to them, you know, I make no secret of where
I'm going to be in the future. Maybe that there's
no if you could have called this if you like,
you can keep you can put this in if you want. Yeah,
maybe they only enjoy doing it online.
Speaker 3: And if they maybe if they met your rural life,
not only would they not have a problem with you,
but there'd be no fun.
Speaker 1: So that I will hold on me here.
Speaker 3: This isn't the situation that I enjoy I enjoyed being
by minor e slagging.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite evering there. They certainly wouldn't have the
guts to look me in the eye, stand in front
of me and say the things they said to me
and I are horrible things they said to me online.
Things I like to call the police at one point
because they were literally excusing me. They were interally, they
were they were pretty as criminal defamation. At some point.
You were saying I was neglecting my daughter and stuff
like this. You know, horrible things they said about me,
and and I was like, yeah, they were. They just
don't but I did say some you know, you know
where I'm going to be. I don't if I don't
make secrets about my movements. I don't have bodyguards. I'm
not Stephen Greer. I don't have these ego guards. Yeas
you know I will. I say, I'm going to be
at the pro conference on this date. I'm going I
tell people I'm going to be at this. This are
going to a bit lapis, I'm gonna I'm going to
go to this conference. I'm going to go to the
Waking Away Conference. If anyone wants to join you, I'll
see you there. And I said you could come and
you could come and say any things to their face
any time at any of these events. So if they
wanted to pump shop by now they yeah, but they
don't enjoy even Sue disst them do it and even yeah,
maybe they're like some of them are opening. I mean
I know that like even after Watford, Droik has been
like DROI was the one who, like Droi, he did
this offense archaeology thing on him with thee Robins. He well,
he contacted. Peter said, I've been contacted by having contacted
by this man called called Bob Brown. I knew that's
one of his aliases, right, and and he showed me
he's no what that was anius Well only when he
read my article and sort of he felt for this. Yeah,
well it's what they made Peter aware of something true.
But it was like it was like offense archaology. They
pointed to a around a lot of unwise posts that
I put in When was it round in two thousand
and eight on the only down so four but literally
two thousand eight, we're talking like when this happened. Over
ten years well over ten years after this happened, and
it was like where I was. I'd watched this thing
called and called the Holocaust, which was soon the extermination
is used by the Nazis, and I've just spoken about it.
I hadn't said, I don't I didn't say I endorsed
these ideas. I just spoken about it. And this was
like and he said, look, Ben wrote this in two
thousand and eight, regardless of what you say about that subject,
that they will use it. Yeah, and that's the only
time I've ever mentioned it. And I don't I mean,
I'm not. I don't believe that. I mean, obviously it
needs to be investigated, but I mean the political situation
is so intense you can't actually people can go to
jail if you speak. Yeah. But but Peter, he sent
he shared this with Peter and said, look, you think
Ben doesn't hate Jew's here's the proof. He put this
one post on the damn Sob forum in two thousand
and eight. Peter is a Jewish guy. Yeah, and I've
never attacked him on that reason. I don't care what
Adam kV is Jewish.
Speaker 3: I not.
Speaker 1: I don't give a daph But then then, but he'd
done this. This is a this is called a fence archaeology.
But they did that thing from your past, which no
one who even know about otherwise and an offense. Yeah, yeah,
to find these things. I don't think anyone really has
a comment. It's one of my best Friends is Jewish
up there twenty side of the years. That's not Peter
Robins during it. He's probably is that he's a compass.
He's a silly compass idiot, and I think he's his
loyalty as impressionable. Yeah, I don't care what he is.
I mean, And he's portrayed Larry. He portrayed Larry Warren.
And when Larry, when Peter turned against him, Harry was
gut to do. I mean, Larry has a lot of bravado.
He acts the tough guy. But he went out, he
went out into Liverpool and he got drunk and he
got in his shovel and he was really he was devastatious.
Would Larry Warren think about Richard B Bourne's episode We
want the Peter Hyattum statement analysis don't remember. I imagine
Larry was have a very low opinion of it, and
as he'd I did as well. I thought it was.
It's it's like, Richard, you see all the backslappers do this,
you know, because they won't because they they turned against
everyone in the community and they say, well, I'll solve this.
Richard was literally saying I'm gonna solve this once and
for all dreams because I'm going to have the water
next because I'm off the beard. So don't don't feel
house Red, blizz mate house Red.
Speaker 8: He managed to get back on track. Couble, we did
define Keita Ribbins. But yeah, well actually actually Peter Robbins,
I'll ask Neilson to edit out a bit about the
offense archaeology.
Speaker 1: But but I will. But yeah, apart from that, I will,
I big your fifth archology is worth bringing up. I
may not bring a still recording. Yeah, I may not
mention the subject matter simply because you know, somebody can
go to jail, right, but I mean I know, I
noticely in these times. Yeah, I mean not in this country,
but in other countries they can literally go to jail
just for listening to that, right, Okay, it's you illegal
to question. We are in a country now and where
you can be jail. Yeah, saying pretty soon in this
country is going to be exactly the same. Yeah, I mean,
we know people have gone to jail simply for expression
of peons. We know that some you know, it isn't it.
They're almost looking for excuses, Yeah, they almost looking for
excuses in Jael that you make some pan commented is
unwise and they're letting everybody out their place exactly, and
the police will then attack, the will arrest you just
because it's just It's also like an she say no,
it's not a serious thing. Like the lady who said, oh,
I hope those hotels burned down didn't say burn the
hotels down, She just said I wouldn't care if they
did get burned there. Now that was interpreted as a draft.
And Lucy Conroy and she's still in jail now I
didn't know about She got like eighteen nonsen and jam
they she's sounded too much Ovington. This is despite the
fact she she deleted the tweet like an hour later.
She went out for a water dog, came back to
the better of it and deleted. By then someone had
seen it and reported it. I think I think the
fat that shoes, the one from a conservative council doesn't
have but Lily and she's caught a white woman, which
of course is again lower tear in. Yeah, if you're
a white ur and you're definitely not allowed to say
these things. See we already know they've already said that
the record process we going forward in England. It's going
to be two tier.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if you're a minority, you could treat different
from a white person because they have the current.
Speaker 1: Sadlers of this. Well, that's a right, it's a part.
They call it a plante. I mean, it's true that
they backtracked on it, but let's FRACI I mean they've
been the course of actually been doing this anyway for
several years now. That's are still in the favor of whites.
We've still committed their spines. Well see, I mean this
is it's that bab But yeah, but this is not
this is not to genibrate any individual. But the fact
is certain certain racial baps do tendency to different kinds
of behavior.
Speaker 6: This sounds like one of those nineteen seventies discussions from Saga. Yeah,
but that's not that that's not real. Yeah, but that's
not that's not a suerracious need to say that.
Speaker 3: No, it is batistical and just with the immigrants that
they everybody in this country, you are doing a lot
of the thing for these are these are out of
effects and in pas case, yeah, I believe, I believe
every individual.
Speaker 1: I give every individual chance. Fat is a certain denogram
fixed of strength for weaknesses and habit and tendency to
certain commuity. Yeah. Certain, we have given value the good
wife philosophy that making being shipped to here. It doesn't
mean that why people are sud free douts a that
it just means but we're different and we need that.
This is why we live in different countries. This is
because when we live in different countries, we can live,
we can live in our own societies in our own way,
which is which is excellently why the government are filling
foreign countries with filling countries of for us. It's actually
not they're not just letting out and it's not like
people out of idea that all all the active roles
being played by the immigrants and they come they are going,
I made sport last night. You know they could have.
So it's a it's all a big carple basis. It's
hand rain. We're democratic quiety. Now we'd like to do
something then makey. It's it's a deliberatey astro. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Richie Allen was talking about this than the mijor
industrial complex, good.
Speaker 5: Knowing, good knowing about how many realthy peak of this
counctuary right now of real life that they can buy
hotels and they can sign up for a five ten
year lease of the governop to house these people and.
Speaker 1: The government given a full ship. See the ideal of
the government is letting it happen as monstens. This is
this is being organized at the highest level. This is
the duff RaSE movement of people. Let me tell you something.
I was in Pisa last week. Pisa is flooded with
migrants from India and Africa.
Speaker 3: I went to Livorno, was a prime nearby and there's
a Berrelic zoo which we go to for roller skating,
has a nice little car for the flat area. It
was absolutely flooded with Indian speaking Indian pedis dean? Now
does that in there that Indian people have lived there?
But not in these numbers, not millions and millions of them.
But there were no white visitor there and what is
that fault?
Speaker 1: So so they have the moved the people here. They
could not speak it's Alia, they could not speak English.
They were praying their own music and celsisters and our
own days. He out suddenly is not right, Oh, cheersday,
that's a large one. I thank you very much. It's
a right okay. Maybe when she said largest well, I
have no idea what Thank you very much. What's just
stick to you. And I'm finding right up to that
to be honest, thank you that so thank you very much. Dar.
But yeah, it's some but you're right, it's I mean this,
this process has to be reversed. That has to be
mass deportations, and I mean that the leftist will portray
it as like a round of art cut long cat
trucks at Duncoy. No, it can be done ethically, it
can be done. It can be done peace streen ethically,
it could be done without harming any of these individuals.
I would oppose any retaliatory attacks, but I believe it.
I believe it. They simply have to be removed and
repatrations and their relations the nations of the origin, which
can be done and as soon as as the political
will to do it, it will be done. I don't
think NOSR Ferrance is going to do it. I don't
trust him. I don't I don't it. I don't think
it's going to happen. If it doesn't, then I mean
that's at my conservative Yeah, you could drive some lawns.
You got him in the country. Divil will get out
because of that. Yeah, I was just saying to lose
to this pipe.
Speaker 3: By the way, I was just saying to Bend that
I went to Pisa last weekend because they had like
a four day week ind soot you stay with Sarah
there before because you talked to us about it. Yeah,
I think I've been a few times now. I'll show
you some pictures. I'll find out. But there's in Livorno,
is a town next to Pisa, because they're all seaside towns, right,
And there's an old disused zoo which was a really
good roller skating era. Because I'm into skating, so I
keep my skates out there, so.
Speaker 1: I'm no big go skating.
Speaker 3: And Lovanna and Pisa are now flooded with migrants. And
you've got the African nigrants on the streets, hundreds of them.
You've got lots of rich Arab people, but a lot
of them. You've got a lot large number of like
Arab and Turkish takeaways opening where they were none, so
that's great because they needed those. Then you've got a
lot of people from it, and some of them looked
really poor. Some of them looked like they've got a
lot of money. But there are loads of and I
mean you're looking around, you're thinking of what was going on.
Speaker 1: When we went to the zoo area with the park,
you were the only white people. It was a brood
of about fifty like Indian kids.
Speaker 3: I guess they were like Hindus because they were playing
like Hindu style music on the sound stys and they
were playing cricket. And then there was a group of
at least sort of fifteen and Muslims, family's.
Speaker 1: Children with the women are wearing them pew jobs and stuff.
Speaker 3: And I heard them speaking English and whatever language it
is they spoke. Yeah, and there were there was one
little white boy and a stutter with his doubt.
Speaker 1: And now I remember an old man, an old Italian
now just sit and watching with his hat on. I
don't remember any old white people, Riki. And this is
pizza the tourist area where you should expect local vendors
doing their stuffy and love what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm righting to sea you've got pizza. And then
all the little sea side sounds right there come mad.
And so when you're having lunch or in the king
along there, the Africans come up to you and they're
selling sun cheeses.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the same stuff they do here. And because they
are speak English and they say, oh no, I leave here.
I live in what is there? I live in called
Salvetti or wherever you know? You know what, Ben, I'm
gonna be a real pain in the ass. I'm gonna go,
but i'll be back. I need my glass is there,
and we'll do some more in a minute. I'll finish
out some measures.
Speaker 1: I'll do that and then put it up all seeing.
It's like when you go upstairs, like you're in a corridor,
the Titanic, is it? It is really ship like that.
It's very old, the first all that old world. Yeah,
oh cheers, thanks very much. It's not your house wine.
They run out of that. So there's something else I
thought they they point me way back in. I'll just
ab whatever o the red day got. And I know
nothing about wine's bark of red and white. And that's
all I know. I'm gonna we'll shut up to me.
We'll be back a minute, all right, but then get
us talk on more woone stuff for sure. Sure, I'll
just press suns. I'll put it on pulses for a second.
Speaker 3: Now, there's a little town here called Chechener, right, and
a lot of tourists go there. It's just a little
seaside strip. And last year in the summer I was
there and we could only go out at night because
it was so hot. Yeah, and so it was pitched
back and we were walking down the main boulevard or
all the tourists, and we got to the end somewhere
down there, and we looked up in the sky and
this huge white flash like that, well like a real
messy white lot and it wasn't the pipe in the sky,
and it basically.
Speaker 1: Went into nothing but the blackness. She said to me,
what is that? And I said, I did not know,
but that did not look more strange. Course, I have
no idea what the white flash so quickly and then disappearance.
The meteor wasn't that quick. It was kind of like
like that meteorite maybe was it. There was no thunder
or anything. It was just so lying that and it
looked like it was just above us. We'll have a
wonder playing. I was listening to rich Planet m tonight
because they sent out a new episode. He said, I mean,
I'm just downloaded. I didn't have time to watch that.
Was it good? Well? What it was? I woke up
about four o'clock in the morning, the needing the road
came back, and I thought, what's the time, Oh, there's Flord.
Thought I'll just check email just because I can't sleep. Yeah,
and he sends out a Rich Platot episode like three
o'clock in the morning, So thinking, oh my god, you know,
how does that work? So I thought I'll mark that
email to check it out maybe over the weekend. How
my mind was inactive, so I couldn't sleep, so I thought,
oh sudden, I listened to this Rich I won't watch it,
I'll just listen to it. And I fell asleep listen
to it, which is great, but it was I would
put Andrew Johnson here about ten years ago and they're
talking about free energy devices and he says, now in
this new program, but he's gonna concentrate Rich Planet episodes
mostly on free energy divan. And I noticed he sworn
a Rich Planet power he's given that he's had a series,
And was wondering about this and thinking, is this because
precious being put on him from somewhere. Know he's picking
a safe on the door. The thing is he if
he if he starts throwing out false flag terror, you know,
I mean I think Richard. I wouldn't criticize Richard because
he's done more than most people do, the stand up
to the phans and put his life on that. He
had so many so many people just cave in, like
Alex Jones, division know, they just cave in and they
start like apologizing and taking the knee, and he Richard
didn't do that. But you know, obviously he's now under
a court order. He had to remove like about fifty
of his videos and and if he if he confused,
he'd have been immediately arrested for contempt of courts musically
refaced a criminal charge and you go to jail. And
so now he's he's just to be very careful on
what he put talks about and uploads because of this
damn court order. We have totally unspoken to him and
said he probably have been advised by a lawyer as well. Yes,
he he does. He is a guy called He's Poor.
His name is the guy that represented yeah, Paul Oakley.
He's a really really cool guy. He used to use
to like he was in u KiB and he like
wrote for the Light and stuff like that. He's a
good guy, really good guy. You see the guy that
Richard did an interview with recently. They're really sanding. I
don't know. Yeah, he's very cost he's a barrister, I
mean bright, I don't know you swiftly, but I met
him and he's a really good guy. He's really nice
to chat. Obviously, he's not just I mean, you know,
barristers can Like when I first tore him talk and
I thought is barristers will do their job, which is
to act like they really support somebody even as they
do and their job is to be it's all acting
for reci. But after I spoke to her in the
pub afterwards, he's very obviously he really does believe him
that Richard's doing and he believes in his course. And yeah,
funnily after like the you know, the prosecution barrister was crap.
He was awful. Yeah, he was like the guy who
was hip for the Hibberts, acting for the hid as.
He was bloody use of the Hibbitts for the people
that didn't know their being orazed. Yeah, the guy who
was acting for the complainants. Yeah, he couldn't give an
example of being arrested. There was he would be pointed
out open they took him to pieces. I mean he
took the witness to pieces. I mean, if there's any
justice in the world that the judge would have this
the case. But the I mean I was into this
barrister droning on like about how Richard this was the
you know Richard had done this. Now he didn't do
any health and safety assessments something like that on court.
Than well, this guy is not on Richard's side because
he was crap. He was crap health and so yeah,
Hibbert h the Hibbot's got the lawyer they deserved. And
of course it was all a fork one conclusion unfortunately.
I mean that I knew, I knew the judgement was
like Karen Steen and she's the oh yeah, like another
one called lord Lord martham Stein or some with and
he's like in the House of Lords or something. She's complete.
I mean, her record track record is total establishment file
and I thought she's there's no way she's gonna she's
gonna rule against.
Speaker 9: The the the home would have been decided before, he
was decided before, like Helen's own with him, tri decided
it probably of the ABC, the BBC and people and
someone in government got together and someone in the Supreme
Port got together and sawt we got just shipped.
Speaker 1: That shipped this guy out, and that's the whole thing
was decided. Then everyone knows it and we went along
as the poor Richard richardly he's not someone I get
on with. I don't particularly like the man, but he
didn't deserve this, and he really really was. What was
done to him was done to and it was horrific
what they did to him.
Speaker 3: When he started getting u when the news first broke
with the bore Pace and the BBC had his YouTube channel,
I received a mysterious email telling me, hello, the musician.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the Richard eve Wood was using
one music.
Speaker 10: I bet he's not Kaane waltis usual punt prets And
I thought, who let me think as a music producer myself,
do I have to sign to research.
Speaker 1: What newsic he's being used? Oh yeah, sure, thanks you mum,
thank you. Do you know it's weird? Weird because Jackie
Body told you this, well, she got to follow marionn
Spin started following her on Twitter. That's whr email me
under Relius, I think marilis break Yeah, and do you
know what the saying just just actually blocked me. And
it's really weird because I've only interacted with her a
couple of times and I left a comment. It wasn't
even rude, it was a slightly sarcastic and she blocked me.
Who I am? What In the email? What they said
was they wanted me to contact with Performing Rights Society
and complain about and money a sequence of offense on Killogian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas don't even deal with YouTube, rather use any
whom they didn't kill forecast and mechanical.
Speaker 1: So feel free to neil. This is something everyone knows anyway,
so feel free to use the recording on this. Everyone
knows this already.
Speaker 3: Could have said Tie Richard recently, and he said that
he's planning on some new featured documentaries over the next
couple of years.
Speaker 1: And it's the news in the world news. And I've
given him the catalog for my label. Was it you
who did the theend tunes to rich Black? No? No,
who did that? That was a guy called DJ Radji.
Speaker 3: If I'd done that, I wouldn't send myself back to
music reduction school.
Speaker 1: But that was that was a guy called DJ Rager. Yeah.
It's fun though, it's fun, but he's Sanato, So what
music was your GC in the past.
Speaker 3: I've just given in selected releases on in all of
my labels and he shows and we'll sponsored in the past.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a drum based track that he likes
to use every single time.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's just got a Sampie the skill sticked every
sing's serio time and he says there's a mentrophee in
because they're doing things again and again that we know
they're going to be every single time.
Speaker 1: That's how he explained it to me. There's another track
that I did.
Speaker 3: With Bill people look Panda, who's a sing at Arizonia
And it's that key favorite kind of fire And there
is no signif because as to why he uses it.
Speaker 1: He just likes Elves in the Manchester one. Yeah, actual
Arena one's yeah. Yeah, he just he just said he
likes that one, so he uses that ball. It's a
legitimate tune. I like thattually and I'm gone, I think already, Yeah,
I did, wonder way it came from a lot of
people asked where that came from, and a lot of
his music stood. It's like the one he uses. It's
for Shore upbeat and he used for the almost identified
and well not very bit.
Speaker 3: And they're a strange to see that went on there
at least the girl or a sangle atread she got
a stalker and she since had to withdraw from online
life Trublic and that coincided with.
Speaker 1: Me getting that that's that can't be a coincidence. I mean,
it looks like the establishment is like they're trying to
attack Richian in any way they can. So she's yeah,
she's as I said in my article, you know, they
get the two just paramilitaries to do it for them
rather than passing forward. So this this is a they
wanted you to sue it.
Speaker 3: This is a promographic of me and the least from
one of the latest tracks that sart the YouTube background.
Speaker 1: So that's her.
Speaker 3: And yeah, she's had to she's had to disappear because
she's had this stalker and the sky is after her
and she's in Arizona and Sidoni and that all started
when planning stuff started.
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder if this girl some out a
word of this stry and told him to do that.
I do wonder you did. So, I mean this this
seems like obviously there's a very highly organized very high
level attack against Richard and and because our names are
on there.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go on the Internet movie database,
you see our names attached to Brits Plannett.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I'm in the photo with Richard and
then it's been in the news with my shirt hanging out.
It's really annoying. I didn't tap the shirt in. But
I think I'm expecting the Blakey orphan these people any
time now you haven't hadly has to be at though
not yet it's a new knowledge and no, but like
that they could be. They could be building up like
inflo Line and John's hands stuff because he's also Yeah,
lictor Ridicular so surprised. I'd be horrified if someone had
to go at him just for just for like being
in the especially opinions. Yeah, but I'm gonna do. I
do expect people. I mean, maun Spring obviously knows who
I am and whether it's I mean, I do wonder
like because Neil sand has changed his tune, didn't they?
I mean he was on her bloody prow beam Za's
chat forum. Yeah it was there was she did this
article when he was in BBC website. Then she did
that stupid Radio four series Disaster trol. Yeah, and then
she is that episode of PanAm Rana, which is like
it didn't go he goes into less detail. It's shorter,
but it goes in the sless detail. Neil was complaining
about how that he thought that that was it didn't
really represent his views, and I said, I didn't say
anything because to him, but I just thought to myself, Neil,
you're you're not that naive. If you do you choose
to go to an interview with the BBC, what do
you bloody expect? And since then Neil is just like
Gonna one eighty. He turned coat and he's stabbing Richard
in the back. He's attacking everyone who defends where.
Speaker 3: It should and he's he's just he's done that to
me on the safe side so that he can put
this savine and pretend that he's changed his mind at all.
Speaker 1: And the fight, I mean, he did a review of
my of my reportage on the whole things. I did
an entire porthos, and you're saying things silly. You're saying
that I was being silly and I was being immature,
and all horrible things he said about me. I mean
Brent Lee, and I've seen a bit of sympathy for
Brent because Brent, I mean, if you've only got to
talk to brand and you can see that he is,
he's clearly traun sized. Yeah, I mean you only got
talk to him listening, he's like he's really really hurt.
Is that Red Lee who does this show with Neil? Okay,
but Neil is. I don't I feel much less charitable
towards to Neil because Neil is. I really enjoyed his
early rich on my episode. Yeah, but Neil's book the
other thing. You know, Neil's book before you on your own.
It's so good. Yes, it's so It's sad actually to
see someone like him like you do a backflip, yeah, yeah,
changing something. It's like Gary, you mentioned on Ben's livestream
last night you saw a virgin Mary on the place. Yes,
talk about that. So it was back in the days
where I was commuting back and forth to the Mexica vote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would fly into Del Rio, Texas, so that
I could just drive across the board that five bucks
down the road, and I was sitting on one of
those small propeller planes that United Airlines used to use.
And I was just looking into the aisle as only
about ten seats, and I saw that that out flying
the peeping drawer of the clothing which she wears, and
the blow around her just sort of stand behind up
with her arms together, looking slightly downwards, and it just
kind of appeared up blood that yeahside inside the aisle.
And well, I can say it was in my mind.
I don't notice short it was actually there. I can
see it clearly for at least through and five seconds
before it faded out.
Speaker 1: It was slight color to it, a boozy greens and
very translucent. But of course, you know, I've had quite
a few weird experiences in Mexico.
Speaker 3: The weirdest thing that ever happened to me, of course,
which I had spoke about previously on the Paranormal Cute Show,
because when I used to sit on the fat roof
of my house in the evenings.
Speaker 1: In Mexico at the end of the day and look
at the stars.
Speaker 3: One evening, I jumped down and as I looked up,
a flock of about six or seven birds made of
light flew over me.
Speaker 1: This was mind blowing. I do not know what to
make of it. To this day.
Speaker 3: Every person I told it to even on that day,
had no reaction and I was desperate to kind of
talk to someone about it.
Speaker 1: Slipped this bee. It was it was a flock of.
Speaker 3: Birds and they were made of light. They were moving,
the light was moving inside one. It was like it
was c g I but there are no Cuna is
a very poor place, right, There are no There is
no one with a hologram machine at a Cunya.
Speaker 1: I'm really telling people living under bridge or something else
took them. And it's it's boldly out. There's the wild west.
And I saw these things fly off into the distance.
So what generated those id There is no technology. They
in a kind of classic v formation shape, like like
the very slight air. I can see it so vivid,
and I wonder, like what time of year would it
be for Like would would it be a time of
year for birds my great sourdor west of wherever they go?
You know what? I should have written down the dat
but I didn't because that might have helped, you know,
it could be the someone says, oh, yeah, you get
a certain bird that the catches are light and because
they got translucent feathers or something which come off in
the season.
Speaker 3: You know, this is what It was dark and dark.
It was dark, and they were in fire. This was
no there was no chance that I could have mistaken
a real bird us of it. These were birds made
of fire and light and they were orange.
Speaker 1: Were like that. Yeah, yeah, fire but like that. And
I'm obviously to the tape. I'm pointing to a sunset
on a book that you was giving me. Yeah. And
I could see the.
Speaker 3: Texture of the light within them moving as well as
the limbs of the birds moving. Did you get a
kind of estiment do Yeah, You're on a roof, of course,
and there was there's tree. There were trees into my
gardens upon still then how and I well, let's say
that my roof was about that height. Yeah, I will
climb down for the window. Yeah, riids there were like twice.
Speaker 1: This, so say that's about ten feet maybe, yeah, they
were no more than double that twenty feet So they
were so low. Could you feel any kind of air
from you? Nothing? No sound, no sound, nothing. It happened
to me.
Speaker 3: It was quite a quiet moment, and quite a quiet
part of that because that was a noisy part of town.
I'm not saying I went into the odds factor. It
just happened to be a quiet few minutes. And yeah,
it was at least I guess it was five seconds.
I watched them before they were through the trees and onwards.
Speaker 1: So do you strain no neighbors you could speak to them?
Might have been about no.
Speaker 3: At that time, I didn't know the neighbors all were surrounding,
and many of the properties that are locked and new
you keep yourself to themselves their high walls. You can't
communicate with them the way you might be going neighbors
in the UK, And so I had no explanation for it.
As for migrating birds, when you've seen migrate the birds
in that part of the world, you see them up
very very five lying in a V format and people
often confused for UFOs is the sunshine and y could
be reflective? Yeah, somebody saying.
Speaker 1: I feel all lover the lights. Was I assume like
to see where they will? You think? Do you heard anything?
It's sort of thing I heard it rings a bell.
I mean, of course Gary's told me about this before privately. Yeah,
and I remember telling me about being very impressed by
this first I've heard about their strange acquish on the phane.
But yeah, strange experiences on aircraft are not unusual. Now
this seeing something one in the air is interesting. I mean,
I'm going to do a long crane flight in a
couple of weeks and I'm furious see if I see
anything strange. But the Ovish one is, you know, and
I'm telling you right now that I don't go back
there is not real. You know, did the late the
Craigie playing lady This has been put down all kinds
of things, But the way she woulded it and the
way she spoke, this was a plane that was not flying.
It was on the ground. It had taken off yet.
That's how they could go back to a terminal and
ship the old bag off. You know, I get rid
of in the video of her being kicked out by
the coppers. Yeah, and the fly was late three hours.
I'm sure they made up popular it's but you know
it's there's all kinds of exams of people seeing strange
things on plane now this and was very common in
the only days of aviation is the Gremlins, which of
course is the feature and the toilets own episode.
Speaker 3: You've heard the real story of the Brennan's on the
Mexican airlines flying.
Speaker 1: But where they were, yes, where they was. They were
playing on the outside of Braine Dick. Preston Dennett did
the video. Yeah, the sees Her name was, of course,
her name Tullow, Audrey Tllow. Somebody tellow. She actually reported
it to the Spanish for this Mexican researcher that every
board is and other people who wrote in his book
that I mean, she's space. But then it was true,
what's more privates in that company and they backed her up.
There were more numbers stewarts on the plane that saw
these theits. Yeah, I saw the passengers, but there was
there were no passengers, but there was. It was like
a it was like a cold flight. There's a passengers,
but all the crew were on there a cabin crew
of saying the pilots they saw it. And but there's
other examples. I mean a classic one is Vincent Price.
One Long is quite appropriate. Actually he's one Long does
horror movies, it's right. And in nineteen fifty nine he
was on a flight and he was just looking out
the windows you do, and they're looking at a look
at the clouds passing, and he simply saw there was
some words written on the side of a car like
a neon sign. It was just a cud And he
looks and he and he's got a sword, and he
looks a dead and it's still there. And and if
these words just said the words Tyre and Power is dead,
and he thought us what Tyron Powers a fellow actor
who was somebody knew, a friend of his. And in
those days there were no seatback folks, there were no
There was no TV screens that you could get information from,
no incidet or nothing. Yeah, and so there's no way
if Tyron and Power hand died, he wouldn't have known
because he was he was in the air when he landed.
He actually didn't ask someone as is Tyron Howell right,
and they said, mister issue, he wouldn't have known. But
he died a couple of animals ago. Now. And this
is something I mean, I haven't see this. This may
have inspired him because he was very into this sort
this he was as an actor. Yeah, he he liked
doing these borror roles. And he's supernaturals think they experience
why that might have intually had him. You know, again,
I don't know. You see the thing about the gremlin phenomenon.
I mean, as you know, there's a famous Twilight his
own episode, but William Shatner pre yet Captain Kirk where
he's on a plane and he's a recovering psychiatric patient
and he keeps seeing this gremlin crawling on the wings.
He's advertising the engines and he keeps telling people, no
one believes him. Eventually he's like, you know, the the
the start of the chemmetry would basically suppressed, you know,
shacklings of a seat. And when he gets off the plane,
you see the damage done to the air engines and
you realize he was right the very last shot with
that of that particular thing. And there's there's also a
short story about Arthur Conan Doyer by Arthur Conan Doyr,
a Sherlock Holmes author, who is a woo woo like us,
a kind of the title, but it's about a polio
who flies up in his plane and he starts seeing
these strange crowd figures. This is by the Roll of
dal because Roll Darling, the James and the giant pleats,
the cloud men, you know, and now the skeptics explanation
is very simple. Altitude singers and it's true. That's what
they would say from my Yeah, well no, you see
because what I have Yeah, no, no, no, because it's
not because the aircraft came along with pressure ized cabins,
and when that happened that the gremlin sightings vastly declined.
And so yeah, you could explain a hypoxic hypoxic brain
or hallucinations. However, you were on a pressure they are
part of the pressurized cabin. It's a modern place. So
it was a one hour flight. Yeah, as also was
the crazy plane Lady tiffinitely go mass As was a
lot Ellis Taylor, my friend Alice Taylor, who's seen weird
things on plane. It could be that when you're above
certain altitude and you're above because when you when you
get up to a cruisan alsoda thirty five feet thirty
nine thousand feet, ninety percent of the Earth's atmosphere is
below you. Yes, because it's very it's very cold. You
can't breathe unless you're be of the cabin's pressurized. Yeah,
because you're in your universu you breathe it you're inside
the pressurized cabin of an aircraft. It was simply, but
it could be the other world. You're in an area
where humans are not meant to be, and it could
be there are other intelligences that are all that realm
because you're halfway between the ground and the space.
Speaker 3: That's what your friend Nick Lisab and Nick spoke about
the Nicky days Visible vis Yeah.
Speaker 1: These we's been studying the trees that live in the
air in the sky, some of them are invisible. And
also that's where that's where it's maybe UFOs of presidents
And indeed, it's it's kind of like another it is
another world. And indeed there's a plain radiation levels higher
from the sun and cosmic race. Yeah, and indeed stewardess
is who are pregnant and told like you you you can't.
They they had to take leave very early in the
first tromester because they're they're other altitude that the radiation
can damage the developing air embryo. Yeah. Yeah, because and
people who fly regularly, you know, they could sufferm radiation
effects and put pilots and canary Yeah. Yeah, they do
say to pilots that I can't remember what the rules
are now, but it's like they will only do so
many flights per year or something because they are about
they get five or six times more radiation in the
average person on the street. So, PRIs you how many
pilots are will woos? Yeah, Bruce a Cafe is a
good example. Here's a New Zealand airline pilot who actually
saw many UFOs and came up with a He also
a note of where he saw them, and he came
out the fascinating idea about where they appear in terms
of lay lines and things. One else interesting Monica's don't trap. Yeah.
Monica's family comes from Belgium and we only found this
out last year having a chat with some fellow family
manuals that one of the people. Oh my god, one
of the people could selection there, Malca. It's a green rat,
isn't it. Yeah, that's an incredible hull craz He's got
a tail. It's weird. But what is that?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 1: That's oh yeah, and it's my sister. Please do yeah,
it's actually tell me what it is. So basically, so yeah,
the an airline pilot in Monica's side of the family
based in Belgium, I currently have men interest in UFOs
because they were seeing him all the time whenever marshes
flap didn't they yeah, yeah, s it's a Belgium hot
topic and UFO activity here. So he was seeing these
UFOs which just to name the yard, it's Uncle or
whever it was, there's a fire that John, Uncle John,
Uncle John. But he felt, yeah, and it's going to
be seeing the UFOs. He had an interest to you,
I believe, I don't he had the interest in his
name saying he said he saw those, are you yeah, yeah,
but they don't report. But there was a guy that
was trying to Albany like Albany air Lies or something.
Ray Boyer, Yeah, and he saw them, but all the
passengers saw yeah these was it two UFOs? So there
was there were two. I think it was commonly how many,
but there were. He's grown to be very large, he said,
there were. They were cigar shaped objects and yellow yellow
black stripes or something. And he said, but because he's
he said he could judge very carefully because of the
he knew where basically the background clouds and things were.
He knew how base roughly, its range. Therefore we could
work out on its size. And he said it was
really big, thousands of feet across, very one of the
large Stark aircraft ever built is the Hindenburg airship. I
was eight more than five feet long, which blew up
very famously and oh yeah New Jersey seven. Yeah that
was and but that was they never after that happened. No,
no one ever built an airship that big again, So
what is it then? What was what was he seeing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was turning Ben earlier and you probably can't use
this bit unfortunately. But my brother, my younger brother, is
a pilot in the r F and he works on
the Royal Flight, so he flies the King most days
of the Prime Minister and has an air of superiority
to go with it. But he's interested in UFOs, but
he's always watching TV shows, but he will never tell me.
And when all the stuff was happening with the drones aside,
he just couldn't saying that it's I kind of tried
to chat.
Speaker 1: With them about it. Maybe he's worried that like a
word to get out and can be able say. The
only thing he told me, which I think I told you,
guys are there. He knows where they are, yeah, yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3: This is another He was telling me that they keep
seeing drones up out did what's what they called a
cruisy aptitude only five thousand per Yeah, and these are
commercial drones will be like, uh, decals, I'm gonna have
flashes and stuff. So somebody is flying what we consider
to be drones my barhead, but they have versions that
they could fly up under the higher the hell is going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's this. This is like my my interview
with Todd Curtis, which I did on a last show
for last If people are doing that, then oh shit,
that's a hazard. That's traffic. You could have a collision
which could result in depth. Yeah. Oh yeah, sorry, that's right.
I was just going to say that if anyone who
denies that that that there's a UFO problem, and some
explain you to do, because clearly there is, and I
mean anyone who's honest, but ives Todd has set up
an entire fools of the air detectives. He's a pilot
and his friends are pilots, and they and they're concerned
about their safety of themselves and their passages. Yeah. And
is that scene in Coaching Calendars, you know, the very
I think it's the second the field scene in the
film where there's in the air traffic control room. That's right. Yeah,
And they object appears, and then you know they can
see it on prime and radar. The highlights are saying
they can see it. At the end they said, you
want to report a UFO, and the pilots also and
let's scared again in the treadle. Sorry, Gary, you have
gone sack.
Speaker 3: We're going to say, yeah, you reminded me of the thing,
the story when their brothers told me that we know
what they are.
Speaker 1: We don't know. No, we don't know what they are.
We know where to go to see that.
Speaker 3: So when I live with my grandmother in Henry Henstead,
we had you know, the classic three story houses of.
Speaker 1: Growth warming stuff up, warmings, don't I think UFO? Yeah thing, yeah.
So one evening in the summer, I'm looking out the
window and on the farm and I.
Speaker 3: Seek some floating towards the house. And this is the
story I told apparently a big dad. And it was
like a carbon fiber ball about miss be floating over
the top of the house. And so I called my
grandmother to have a lot. By the time she got
up the stairs, it was over the other side of
the house. We had to run to the other window
and we watched this thing. It looked like it was
spinning like that, just going a straight line across the
countryside to loot An air Quart Boratu.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my brother did say to me, ye, we
know about so he said that.
Speaker 3: I mean he had a girlfriend at Timp called Kirsty.
He said, we know where to go and see them.
He said, I've been tad to Kirsty there and he said,
but we don't know what they are not And this
is the weirdism. And that the same fly where I
stood a Virgin Mary, not on the same exact fly,
but on that route and the same plane. I once
looked out the window after seeing that thing with my
grandmother and England and saw one of those things out
of the window, the vane to the left side, in
between Fusta fidel riots.
Speaker 1: So what the hell is that? What was you? Roughly
at that point today, I guess that would be how
high do you think the plane would go? If there's
a one hour flight in the cruising thirty five thousand feet?
Normally there's lower after for there's twenty thousand.
Speaker 3: If it's propped, you you were above the weather because
it was a short plane and so it's all like
twenty thousand feet.
Speaker 1: I would say it because there's got to be oxygen
for the plane to provide thrust the engine or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Hutitute them quite some time, but from the plane overtook yeah,
and all or maybe it win obviously yeah, wow, and
it did to be the same texture code size is
what I've seen in my dream.
Speaker 1: Brolly and philippkin Seller saw a sphere with their grandmother
and it came down into the macgarden and they said, Grandma,
what's that And she didn't obviously know what to say,
so she said something like, oh, the fairies, they just
come up to check season. You're okay. Ronie was telling
us about that when last briskness, Yes, that's right, and
then it flew up over the roof of the houses.
Anything that's the empty tube in the sphere, that's just
a fierce So it was figured about that. I bitched
this on the on their last gym last night, that's right.
A couple of months ago there was like so people
who saw a metallic spherical object flying over at the
town of Booga in Colombia. It was filmed scroofy there
and suddenly they filmed coming down the ground and then
the next shot is them seeing this thing lying in
these bushes, and then that was the end of it.
No one heard anything else. And now the last couple
of days so people have come forward saying, well, this
is the actual sphere and they show it holding up
this big metallic sphere and it has like is these
symbols on it and aren't work and even what looks
like some kind of uh text or something on it,
like like cling on with or something, and it's like,
I Masana force has jumped on top of it. You
can't keep him are a voy was busy with the
area that he discovered. Heimie is like he's an absolute maniac.
I mean, he's like me on steroids. He really is.
And but I mean I practice fake, but I might
be wrong. I suspect it's fake. I specially may they
just break the sphere. They've done some artwork on it,
and he looks like crops for the symbolism and some
fantastic discovery Almost weekly, hasn't he because he's got a
weekly show? Yeah, I mean, unfortunately can't get English subtitles
for it. But I do sort of know what he's
talking about because I'm I've watched like others. I know
about the case that he talks about because there's other
videos out though. Yeah, and you know the guy is
just like he really is like the probably obsessive always
looking for the next fantas thing, and they don't have
a quality control. He doesn't filter. Unforcire highe he was
just he doesn't. I mean some of the cases he
investigates really are significant, but others he's just jumps on
some bandbagers, like there's ridiculous mummy things. Yeah, that was
obviously fun. I mean Steve Mehra did did the field
research into that and which heini didn't. He said, look,
these are these are simply fake. They're just they just
created our old died death cards. Upon I don't know
as much as we wanted the thing, yeah, well sitting
them being real, because it'd be great, But as soon
as I saw them, they didn't look convincing. These alien
mummy these are animal and these are high human anal
scrambles from graves. Yeah, and someone decided like create these
fake mummies that they then sealing, they sell them for
a huge amount of there's actually black marketing fake antickles, snippers.
Speaker 3: Spools on this same habit listening to you being the
but he is bad from YouTube, got so many people
get I mean I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'll get back when about a dozen videos and they've
just been take ore, there's been removed all the information
of various kinds. He hates spiritually thoughts or you know,
they have to wander where it's the print. But YouTube,
Bree and ev, well, YouTube is just I mean, unless
they can like some Elon must partakes them over, they're
just gonna it's just gonna be sound the boring mainstream
like main media. And as a result, like if you're
a businessman, you know you wouldn't want to do that
because it's it's like essentially it's a detrimtery. Your own
conspiracy cat videos of mainstream news may cut your tools
possibly that mainstream news and that's done on that and
all the interesting stuff will go elsewhere. Just of course,
if you were surprise running YouTube, I say, what are
you doing this? Why am I throwing away good business
like this? Why am I ruining my own prosperities?
Speaker 3: There as somebody further up the pyramid that Chelse, unless
I'm I'm actually obeying and higher authority that their instructions
I value more than profit.
Speaker 1: It takes an awful light for like a successful businessman
to value something more than profit. I mean that's the
purpose of profit is you have to have profits. You
earn a living control. You collapse without profit. Yeahs for
the business is to earn fit. That's and this is
a charity. So charities don't earn profit. Well yeah apparently,
but the YouTube is not something. It's no charity. So
I don't know. I mean it's saying there's a Facebook.
I mean, I think it's just that Burbs actually a
backtracked a little bit lately. This is probably yeah, but
I mean I still have to use this silly relay
you know where I've put any of my things on Facebook.
But just it's still my pages still banned. He is stupid.
So they don't like you list in your blogs or
your videos or my put from hbw A all no
others are banned. That's weirde And but that issue hospital
pause against the new Ospel Paus Welfare Association. Yeah, that's
hey discribed it. They started scanning the actual articles for
links and so like I have to add the links afterwards.
Whether there was a palm post and sorry about the
funeral over that, chucking the gravel over the coffin. Please, yeah,
what do you want when you're having the ship, isn't it? Yes?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: I just sometimes wonder if I have someone's watching me.
I stant In Caradough, But even my my shadow banning
is getting really intense. I mean I was on my
live stream last story. I had nineteen viewers news At
one point I had more people commenting than I had viewers.
You know, he's just say saying Forsk.
Speaker 3: Hunted the usteners to like under a hundred pre each
video can't be real, may except very well.
Speaker 1: Subscriber basis quite large. They are just this they put
give me fake starts. A blogger is the same to me.
All my almost had the same number of staffs. It
goes up to my twenty five is into runny higher,
he goes, I want up one review per day after that,
And even when I did, I deliberately didn't share an
article on social media to see what happened. Yeah, the
same thing happened. Yeah, same number of people saw it.
That doesn't make sense when I'm not sharing it. Yeah, yeah,
it doesn't make sense at all. You have the same
number of people saying, yeah, same people, that's not real.
Those not real stats. That's the thing in our real starts. Yeah,
so your large T shirt bend, But that made by
you because you at the lard at the conference or
the one x you won the Yeah, it was on
the one occasion. I've done the lard eating conversation now
five times so far. As I've already got one challenge,
here's another go for Ben. He's won four terms. In
the most recent I won one year. Yeah, I think
i'd have won.
Speaker 3: The rare book about cricktids in England, the Century some
by Richard Freeman Order provided like a bread in the book.
Speaker 1: He is insane. I had a little bit an online.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what the book is called, but it's
a book about strange animals which were recorded in England throughout.
Speaker 1: History for which we have no record.
Speaker 3: And there were stories about some kind of lizard creature
about quite seriously that people would encounter in the woods
in Indians, and I think it said that they would
be safe if they were in a person carriage.
Speaker 1: You have heard of them and someone liking it to
the being in Star Wars, the things in the well.
Speaker 3: There's lizard thee so that they drive around in the
desert with dubecs or blurred.
Speaker 1: I know we've got kind of dinosaurs in your style
with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean there are the things we talk about,
the things you used to read about about who Woo
encounters and stuff like that. They go back through our
history and they've been seen by people that see, she's
something perennial.
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, for our history. You find your thought of
people counting counting beingside this, they'll lose different names depending
on the culture. Like in the past they didn't say aliens,
they said would say fairies or sprites. Listen to the
description of them. They're pretty much the same and the
same as what people encounter now.
Speaker 3: Just written from a different world viewed at the time.
Might have you heard about the palais different menophorosia? Yeah,
but supposedly maybe I heard this from one of your
tools or maybe from one of yours now, someone who
had access to some text in the Vatica that were
related to Angeli Chara.
Speaker 7: And when she actually read them in their originally form,
she was reading what sounded exactly like modern day abduction
phenomen and she assumed that they had rewritten them as
Cherubim and Angel's the mother.
Speaker 1: This whole scenario to fit in for the whole Fatima
incident is now looked upon as a possible alien encounter.
I think all the Marian apparitions is unique because it
has independent witnesses. Yeah. Yeah, Apparently the photograph of the
sun as they called it, the second son a period dear,
when you know no one found it rages this image
and it did surface many years later on the Internet.
So whether maybe suppressed it.
Speaker 3: You've got to imagine the Church control in the information
in the abits to suit the narrative of this, to
suit the narrative that they sell to the people that
so do God in the world.
Speaker 1: Well, it makes me wonder that now you've got an
American poking and could he be c I a plant it?
I mean they were the new Poke Cobleo or the
fourteenth who was like selected a couple of days. So,
I mean I did a whole life m varium last night.
He's still a bit of an unknown quantity. We don't
know exactly idea to represent this. We know he's appointed
by both Francis the card Wall, so it's quite a
recent arrival. In there in the Roman establishments Burch service.
You see the possibility or whether or whether you know
these better lot of time, you can imagine there is
Pope part he's got an absolute Mattie radio mask hidden
on their transmitting directly back to you know the securities
who know I mean, and of course that obviously poke
is a very very He has no political authority, but
obviously there was indevidly beginning political issues because he's one
of those powerful men in the world. I mean, it's
not because he holds the office is political, but because
he had he commands the authority to so many people
and such a huge institution, but the oldest and largest
institution on Earth, and that's that is quite something. Yeah,
And I mean the fact that he's American. I mean,
although he's been most reason only actually in Peru where
he's also Peruvian. In season he's it is he's I
know that was Trump and bands that are going to
really have been really really happy about the fact that
he's an American. And this doesn't mean that he's part
of the whole seventy bladder thing or anything like that.
That was a thought, that's wish for thinking, you know,
it doesn't mean that that was happening. But get back
to the pope being it's well, I say it's true.
I never actually i've heard your books are pale. The
fact that they one of the traditions when they're selected
and checking the coat is that they picked their pope
and that there's a vinyl check. They get the pope
to sit on the stool that's got a whole rooms. Yes,
it's like the mode. And this is because they saw
the pope's a man. To see there's no way you
know whether that still goes on. I don't know, but
they were little ages and alleged, well it's true, isn't it?
A woman a warman? Was that was actually actually get
to become the pope a Bailey. But there's a film
on Netflix the thought, did I remember that a Netflix
film where this forman became the pope a male impersonator. Yeah, yeah,
he actually became pope gifts. Of course, we know the
Catholics only ordained men, so obviously this was declared void
when it was the stubborn, But now I mean leisurely
is that whether they still do it or not, the
pope has to prove he's and it's it's been undignified.
I mean those talk about the making athletes do this
to remember, Yeah, fixt they should drop their trousers in
front of the judges and just say that this is
this agenda. He says, right, make a pole vole. But
I don't think I've made the hope. It's like because
there was there was like there was a bit confusion
over some poodle's gender because of course athletes are and
they are sort of like slightly and Roger or certainly.
So you can't just say you identify as pop. Yeah,
identify as a religious catches through both th that's right,
but another pope that's to sit down constable allegedly and
the thing all the calmals wind up and they look
ik that these dangy bits and they say, yes, that's
what It's all right, you can be both. But those issues,
I don't know if that's like an urban legend. It
may be an urban legend or in Apria maybe it
still goes on. And so I think it's one of
these traditions. This is how it's portrayed. As an audition.
You could do with blood tests and X rays or
what these days are probably done from DNA or some
bene cut out liddle and literally cut out straight through
it with the steward. I think that's why they have
because that desperate to me. I hope they would actually
do that. I mean, you know, yeah, but it's I mean,
the thing about the Pope the paps is the Vatican
has a library and there's apparently according the gire wallh Pasalta,
there are fifty miles of corridors and it's all underneath.
You say, where they bus the Vatican's only like a
couple hundred yards across. It's such a tiny steak. It's
underground a lot. It's underground. Yeah, it goes down like
thousands of feet, and they got like and there's all
kinds of rumors about what might be down there. We
know that they took documents from the various places around
the world where they had missionaries. One of the jobs
of the missionaries all over the world was to gather evidence,
kept black loop colleading send it back to the Vatican.
Speaker 11: And you think about it, anything is supernaturue related that
goes against the narrative of the capric Church that the
s Elien would be locked away.
Speaker 1: As rumours that the Third the real third secret of
fat and that was never revealed, and they then the
Pope took put out in two thousand. It is supposedly
revealed it assassinate of course, but lord, this is what
it is. Pope Sean Paul the first wars died until
just thirty three days, yes, which I mentioned Arsen, Yeah, Arstreet.
And then he's replaced by Pope John Paul the second,
who was actually a very long rainy pope. He actually
went to ninete seventy eight twenty twenty. Well it was
Benedict came along twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen where it was.
And then of course then he had abdicated, which is
very unusual for a poet to abkay. He died in
twenty and twenty two. Yeah, very unusual for a poacher.
Popsole was always dying office. Yes, he is only the
second pope PayPal obligation in the history window. And then
they have Francis and then and then of course Danny
to Leo. And the thing about it is that there
is the pope. This is what Danny Shean's talking about.
It could be the Vatican will be the disclosure nation. Yeah,
and it's old because small countries seemed to be the
devance in the most opiensist because all all the major
exopolitical initiatives over the last few years that come from
these little, tiny countries, these micro nations such as Brenada,
an island in the Caribbean ten miles across Sir Erengary.
And where's the where's the biggest UFO conference today? Sam
Marino again to many little you know Enclague inside Italy?
Is that right? Sat Marina is a big UFO conference.
It's good. It's a It's a nation. You could rob
a cross and froight in like in an hour and
a half. You know, it's a small nation. And so
maybe the Vatican could be the disclosure nation, and we
know they have the nation. David Gush mentioned the ninety
thirty three Magenta UFO crash and then the skeptics in
the backslappers, we're going, it's not real. It's not real
because they listened to Rush and they looked on skeptics
and what they said about it, but they didn't read
the document, the original documents which were gathered by reverse Openanti.
He wrote an art couple of it's like a book
or booklet or Camphlic called the Fascist UFO files. Sounds dramatic,
but it refers to the r S thirty four is
in I mean in the early nineteen thirties. But eat
a Mussoli, the fascist dictator he set up. He set
up RS thirty four, which is the world's first UFO
Dominican parliament. So this is the arrow or of nick
posts UFO desk many many years earlier. And in our
thirty three in Magenta, which is just outside Milan, actually
in Lombardy, there was a legendre which was covered up.
Is a typical Boswell thing, although it was like this
was over a decade before Roswald's fifteen years of Roosevelt Wall.
There was this. There was this UFOs Shenidan they covered
up now one most Flashi said they fell at the
end of World War two, after the US invasion. Mussolini
passed this evidence, including the plash the wret onto the
Vatica and then the Pope at the time. I think
he was cruel, pious. Bus He then back channeled to
the Americans before the and then there was the invasion.
Then the invasion happened, and I wonder if they kept
anything said there must be records they see, because then,
of course Muscoline was then killed and hung off. He
was strong upside down in a petrol station. Four courts,
but they the records must still be out of the Vatsican. Yeah,
it could be that the new Pope knows this, and
therefore he could decide to go public. He could do
the disclosures. They could say, well, yeah, there was a
crash breaming in ninety thirty three. It's so I'm fascinated
to find out Danny Shean has gone into an interviewing
news nation or around. Yeah, really interesting stuff. And it
is incredible, incredible, funny enough to talk about Mussolini being
hung upside down. I didn't know he's in a petrol station.
It's pretty could They was britting. But my granddad said,
who was in his second one was war. He's a
military policeman. He said he saw Mussolini hanging. Now. When
I was a kid, I never who knew who MUSCANLINI was.
I just remember saying, oh, I saw him hanging.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: I never knew until all these years later that he
was actually hung upside down. I just just hang him
by the neck. Yeah, But then I've read reports that
not many Westerners or or people outside of Italy were
aware that he was from upside out until many years
later photos. I don't know how my granddad saw him,
because he was a military policeman and I understood that
he went out to Italy, So I don't know how
he saw him. If if kind of hundredicts the official version,
I don't know. It just the story I was told.
Been shooting first, Yeah, didn't they do regularly, just beat
into death, literally beat him, his sensors out, his wife
as well. They just beat them senseless and just hung
it upside down. And there's photographs of it, and and
it's it's easy to hang out down. There's something slice,
isn't there. It's a clearly de humanized secretion. Yeah. Yeah,
sounds think it's like a mafia thing. There's a definite
under it's as sacrosis. It's not just hanging, it's punishing
the sided down. It's a reversal of the previous order
or so their pockets and they can get some change. Yeah,
there's a lot of change coming out and in his pocket. Well,
I mean, ohously are It's just like in Germany the
other places the Allies plunder the vanquished access powers. Yeah,
and for everything, including like scientists and things like that.
Hands probably for Aper Clitter, Yeah, and people like Venevon
Brown and Hands Candler and the sub question vernevon Brown
operated to really openly in the US under his own name,
is he usally got away? It's more crime's record. I
mean literally that guy should be hanged at Urreinberg because
he was literally firing ballistic missiles of London.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a which is a war cry, gennearios
a showing what's really important if you had Howard's the
b Yeah, not justice or protection of their own people.
Speaker 1: And they're out their friends. Yeah, but to harness and power, Yeah,
said they can have the biggest stick if someone's if
someone is useful, they will they would use them and
they completely and ignore them, and yeah, like cleaning their record. Yeah,
it's like soy Saddam saying, you know that all the
trouble they went to get it. But then you know
nine eighty three he was in the US shaking as
with Donal's runs frog and of course my soul, why
don't they just grab him then, say all the mother
But of course they didn't because he was useful vernevon
Brown was useful to this. I mean the the rocket,
the lunar was supposed lunar rockets. The satur five were
based on those original V two missiles. He is the
world's first ballistic missiles liquid field rockets.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: And he was beastly. He's bascially used and a hands
camera ended up in the US under a fake name
long with several other people. Right, so it's yeah, it's
all right. And because he was involved in anti gravity research,
and recently I've had.
Speaker 3: An urge to do that, Like my joints kind of
been uncomfortable, so the only way to relieve it is
just a snap them into place, set them.
Speaker 1: We'll see. He's good banging it on this on the
door and something. Sorry, I should just say that. Yeah,
Hans Camera was invited in anti gravity, social into anti
gravity and things like that. He was running this thing
called the Winstor's Flash Mine, which is like in Poland
there was just this mind where they were developing these
anti gravity crafts through the bell and oh yeah yeah,
and that was at the end of the war. They
actually actually blew up the entrance to the mine and
buried just in the and they just saved everything still
in there. They it's still in there, and all we
know it's still in there to this day. I mean
it could be dug out, that's what they said. But
I can't seem turn down an opportunity to grabble that. Yeah,
you can take everything first, but the real price is
not the hard ware they were developing the laboratories, it's
that it's then it's them people were designing it because
they can make their giants, their papers, their their their
their thoughts, their feeds, their papers and stuff like that.
Maybe they was taking maybe they took some bits, Yeah,
buried a lot of it discovery. But it'd be very
easy once once Camlo was in there in their grasp,
and they would say to him, well, you've got to
work for us, and he would say, if you don't,
you got a Nuremberg and we'll expose. He would have
had no choice. He essentially, it's like putting it done
to his head. He would have worked for the Americans
of the Soviets to develop him anyone. Yeah, you'd have
no choice, and it would be very easy to recreate
the bolstery and build new prototypes. Yeah, yeah, I mean
maybe that's what the Kecksburg incidental. Did the Kecksburg crash
is described as like a bell shaped object? Yeah, maybe
it's that it was that thing. It maybe that rather
than an extraterrestrial thing. Yeah, that was like a crash
of Trigel in ninetyty five for Ketsburgh, Pennsylvania. Yeah. Right,
his skeptics say it was a Cosmos satellite. It was not,
because the Cosmos they were a Cosmos satellites is a
Soviet satellite. It did come down, but it came down
in a completely different direction of the wrong time, in
the wrong place. Talking of Cosmos things, Russian things coming down,
isn't there a Russian Venus crops it's kind of crashed
to her sometime today. Yes, it's a day apparently if Yeah,
they don't know where it's from the land. Right, that's
what I said. It took her about I put her
are on the head headquarters of William Hill. So there's
one hundred thousand and odd. It's from around nineteen seventy two. Yeah,
it was going to go to Venus. It was a
Venus pro and it missed fired and the rocket failed
and it ended up in Earth orbits, which has been
and it's been there ever since in Earth orbit. Yeah,
but now it's now that the orbit is decayed to
the point where it's now going to it's now going
to deorbit. But they don't know exactly where or when.
Sometimes today they th over Britain or over Europe. It's
going to be could be anywhere within the fiftieth parallel,
fifty fifth parallel north or south, which is in the
Roseville that's of the world Atlantic or well. I took
a bet out on the head bards of William Hill
one hundred thousand and one. I've put a tenner on
so if it lands there, I'll be very rich. But
of course that the organization will be destroyed, so I
won't by to collect. Now you may cacting it after
it's just showing up now that the thing is ninety
percent of this area is sea, so they probably come
down in the sea. If the lands on land, it
will come down anywhere. It's thing you do about it,
because no one knows exactly well these that moment it'll
like enter. It will be in the ear sature enough
so it will slow. We do know it will survive
re entry because it's it's designed to a survivory entry.
The Venus is ead loss yees the hot dense up
to venus, so it will definitely it would definitely reach
ground surface lively who come down, I mean and obviously
break up once it hits the ground. It's specially a
lever doesn't the weighs a ton that sort will even
a quite crater. Actually, if a lad's in a populated area,
it will do considerable damage. It will. It will bold
like a big dots desue. It pulls up a sonny
boom is it into it will, but it will, it will,
it will reach the ground service in tax And it's
just I mean that it's very unlikely or hit a
populated area. I mean, if you look at them, you'll see,
like coming up emotional world is still uninhabited by humans.
It's really interesting. We think you don't realize we're having
a density the sorry populated that people who can't have
here's that's what it has to kill every one with this,
with the vaccines and things like the world is just
so full up. Yeah, they have to like stop you
get up a bit of misinss you they do you
near saying I'm going to ask Mark Devin which part
of the flat earth will this Vedas probe come down. Yes,
our god. I don't know what Markle's say about this.
I don't know. It could end up in that very
far corner, just on the very edge and then this
fall off. You know, probably right. I mean, if you
want to, if you use the escape, if you go
sort of far over North and Birmingham, you'll probably be
safe because it's like a fifty four caroallel or something
or come to night. But really it's so unlikely is
going to hit you. I mean, you might as well
worry about a sink. Roles. I remember when Skylab was
coming down in nineteen seventy nine, there was some guy
in Texas. I think it was because they thought it
might come around down in that area, but I think
it ended in brazy drink. Now we're gonna least to
you know. I'm good they've been selly.
Speaker 3: You have like builders hats book, the building type safety
hats any Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and protect the fil from Skylab. There just excited
Bill or in the head or protect him. He's sending
for admer helmet on something. Well, someone made, someone made
look a lot fast scam, I'll tell you, yeah, I
mean the thing about it is it's like it's so unlikely.
I mean, it's it's a possibility that it's like borrying
about having like a it's worrying really like about are
you walking under wander up walking under a building and
it falls over that moment or something like that weak
under the tree. Well there's no wind and it'll fall
over that moment. But there's someone made a lot less
of scam. That was an absolute scam, you know. I mean,
there was some problems for it, but there was there
was early I think it was one of the salutes
one of the early Soviets space stations. Sometime in the nineties,
they it was abandoned and the and the Ross Cosmos
just said, well, we'll let it. It'll come down eventual'll
declay and come down. And then everyone, the United Nations
and people saying, you can't let you that. It's got
a it's it's got a plutonium reactor on board it
and it was powered by a nuclear power. You can't
just let that come down anywhere because it was like
it would devastate the environment, not just explosion, you know,
the the radiactive waste. You you've got to give it
a control. The orbits or a land somewhere in the
middle of the Pacific Ocean or somewhere. So they had
to send up a crew of ashnaughts up there, and
they had to like orange and natural and controlled the orbit.
So it came down somewhere out of when we can't
do any harm, you'd send up Bruce Willis, at least
Bruce Willis. Oh yeah, send him up. They could screw
slee whatever is. And then there's fire off into far
orbit around the sun. Something's send them to do it.
It's like at something there was someone so going, who's
just fire radioactive waste up in the space where firstly
it could blow up it's being launched, which would, but
then you got then you basically the whole area around
space center is like off livers for one hundred thousand years. Yeah,
or it would you go over in the orbit, it
might come back. Things are leave a certain area, they
go through feehole. I know it's because of my space weather.
Of course, they go through keyhole points. So wherever you
start something going around moll a bit, it will usually
come back eventually to where it started. And then you'd
have this thing. Then we'd have it. We'd have it
God flashing back down with you. I think like one
hundred and fifty years or something with all its nuclear
waste on boll it like it's all would be really
pretty awful. I mean, it's so that will be pretty esponly.
I mean the whole nuclear panel thing is absolutely anyway,
it's not needed. It's it's pointless because we have free energy,
which they know that. Yeah, yeah, he Doglan will be
getting there any side, soe but you never know. I mean,
I'm not saying I think maybe we will, and I'm
got a hope so I do. So yeah, Or what
do you think about all the older and.
Speaker 12: The ancient Tartaria stuff, because I keep seeing more and
more of these photos to where you get like a
building from our era, like the Edwardian buildings or something,
and then that they're extabating them and underneath to get
like this Tartarian building way on the street level and
in it's the Livorno.
Speaker 3: I keep discovering these buildings in it, just like those
Tartarian art picture. There's a whole train station area that
they are of refurbish. It's currently offering this but you
can see it from the road and it looks like
ancient Tartari.
Speaker 1: If you look up the Borno train.
Speaker 3: Station across the road in the actual train station, now
there is a building the extent. It's antrets Tarbetia and
it's currently being refurbished and it looks like it's from
another world.
Speaker 1: It's it sounds really read to be. It sounds bizarre,
but you know, there's there's so much evidence for this.
It's really young can man. The periods of children in
Tuney s Week is that the adults were got un
read off for the reset. And there's like there's like
the whole film in San Francisco before the earthquake, no sets. Yeah,
and all those buildings in Australia and San Francis.
Speaker 8: Ever h