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Speaker 2: Wayang, what's going on man?
Speaker 3: Ran?
Speaker 4: Has it going in the Bigfoot Bungalow.
Speaker 5: I'm hanging in like a hare and a biscuit here
at the Bigfoot Bungalow.
Speaker 2: Just have a little breakfast.
Speaker 5: We're recording early here on a Sunday morning. What's going
on with you, man? What's happening up in Tennessee?
Speaker 4: Not a whole heck of a lot, hanging out doing
my thing, putting out some episodes over on the Bigfoot Report,
getting back into the swing of things. Happy to be
here with you this morning for another episode.
Speaker 5: I know, man, I have been chomping at the bit.
I forgot how much I fucking love doing this show.
Until you don't have it, It's like you don't know
what you got until it's gone kind of thing, and
I was excited this morning. I was running around doing
breakfast and taking the dogs out. I'm working on an
episode over on Backwoods Bigfoot Stories. I can't believe I've
never done a Mothman episode, so I'm putting together a
Mothman episode. I'm excited about that. Danny loves Mothman. It's
his favorite cryptid. I was going over that editing this
morning before he left to go pick blueberries and have
fun with one of his friends up in Morgington, and
he was like, what is that you're doing there? What
episode is that? It's like, oh, it's a new Backwards
Bigfoot Stories episode on Mothman. When's that going to drop?
Does that mean you want to listen to it? Are
you going to listen to it on your drive home?
Love Mothman so I might listen to it.
Speaker 2: That's a first.
Speaker 5: I've literally never produced anything on any of the shows
ever that he's actually wanted to listen to two, But
now Mothman coming on back.
Speaker 2: Was Bigfoot Stories. He wants to hear that.
Speaker 5: Hopefully it'll drop later today as we record this here
on Sunday. By the time you hear this it's definitely out.
So if you guys want to go listen to it
and go check out the Bigfoot Report, see what Tiffany
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Speaker 2: We would appreciate that greatly. We did get a lot
of feedback.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to get into it now because we
got something else to get into, but people were sending messages.
I was reading over the messages. The comments are over
on Spotify this morning, sending you love for the episode
we did last week of that Bigfoot podcast. Everybody enjoyed
that they were sending some love your way, saying how
much they support you and appreciate you sharing your personal
and vulnerable moments on the show. That is very much appreciated.
As always, we do read every single one of those comments.
I try to respond to every single one of them.
We just don't get to everything. Just know we're reading
them and we appreciate it greatly.
Speaker 4: Yes, I certainly do. And not only there, but I've
gotten more than my normal share of emails, people reaching out,
and not only emails but private messages and stuff on Facebook,
and I appreciate every single one of those guys. Thank
you so much.
Speaker 5: All Right, dude, let's get into it. We're going to
forego any of the other pomp and circumstance and dive
right into this because I have been excited about this
recent revelation. I guess it was a revelation to me.
It bothers me a little bit when you post something
on social media and people act like it's something that
happened like ten years ago. We're talking about Mike Patterson's Sasquatch, Ontario,
who we have talked about more than our fair share
on this podcast, but we actually have something that I
feel is significant to talk about. Because I was thinking
about this over the last couple of days since this happened,
the face of Sasquatch, the face of nef video that
Mike put out. I didn't realize this was twenty twenty three.
I literally thought it was last year. Since they've gotten
a little older.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Time seems to fly by, and what I think happened
last month was actually two years ago. So I had
to go back into the archives and see when I
initially posted about this video that Mike put out, purporting
that he had captured or Dwayne had captured the face
of Sasquatch aka the face of nef in these ridiculous
photos that he did a video on back in twenty
twenty three. Of course I posted about it right after
because it really pissed me off, and we've been talking
about him and that ever since. You know how I
feel about Reddit. I think everybody listening probably knows how
I feel about Reddit. I have called readit the bunghole
of social media. That opinion has not changed and probably
never will. But I still occasionally dip my toe into Reddit,
and I do get notifications from time to time from readit.
When somebody posts in the Bigfoot subreddit or whatever. That
happened a couple of days ago. This notification come through
for this post. I click on it, and lo and behold,
what do I see? I think I've found the mask
that Sasquatch Ontario you used to make these ridiculous photos
of the face of Sasquatch aka F. So I read
through it, I'm like, holy shit. As soon as I
saw a photo, I took ten seconds to compare the two.
It is definitely, absolutely, one hundred percent, hands down a match.
This is the same type. Now, obviously it's not the
same mask because it's listed for sale on Facebook marketplace
in Canada and Creemore, which I've been told is just
a hop, skip and a jump right around the corner
from guess who, Mike Patterson and in addition to Mike
Dwayne who actually took the photos. So of course I
do a post on social media saying, hey, I can't
take credit for this. I did not find the mask.
This guy did, kudos to him, But here it is.
It is one hundred percent a match. Stevie Wonder Ray
Charles can look at these two comparison photos and see,
in my opinion, that it is exactly the same. I
mean down to the creases in the forehead, the ears,
the mouth, the teeth, the texture of the mask, everything.
But clearly it wasn't clear enough for everybody who was
looking at the post because I was getting oh no,
the mouth is off, it looks similar, but the ears
are off, or oh no, the teeth aren't the same,
but yeah, looks similar.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck are you looking at?
Speaker 5: I ran it through an AI program that clarified those
harder to see areas and made it to me one
thousand percent clear that this is the exact same type
of mask that was used for that photo. Mistake number one,
Shame on me for running it through AI. But I
didn't create the photos the mask. Was it created by me?
The photo of Nef?
Speaker 2: Was it created by me?
Speaker 5: I simply used AI as a tool to take away
all the noise, brighten up the image and say here
it is right here in your face. Again, Shame on me,
because the first thing that Mike patters and did is
say you shouldn't have used AI to create the mask.
Now he's accusing me of creating the mask using AI
based on Nef's face. And we'll get into way more
of what Mike had to say, because in addition to
doing this post, I sent a comparison photo of the
mask and what's purported to be Nef's face directly to
Mike Patterson in Facebook Messenger to say found it because
some of you may not remember. Mike actually says in
the video, the initial video where he posted in twenty
twenty three, there will be people who say this is
a mask. I challenge you because you're never going to
find a mask that looks anything like this, because it's
not a mask. It's the actual face of nefatigue.
Speaker 6: So it was unexpected, complete surprise, and I expect to,
you know, a lot of debate and controversy surrounding these photographs.
You know, that's entirely expected considering the significance of them.
They are, you know, they're they're the clear face shot
of a sasquatch. You know, they are people. You know,
they don't look like us. You know you can see
that that animalistic side and that human side in his face.
You can see is the expression in his face too.
You can search the internet all you want for a mask,
you know I'm gonna find anything close.
Speaker 5: So I wanted to be very clear and show him
it has been found. Dude, it wasn't me. This other
guy who found it. I'm giving him full credit for that.
I'm not trying to take his thunder. But the mask
was found.
Speaker 4: Brian by him being so adamant. I challenge anyone to
find this mask and the one that was found that's
on the Facebook marketplace. It being also in Ontario, reportedly
pretty close to where all this is going on, doesn't
it make you think this could be like a locally
produced mask, just local to that area. Because why would
he be so adamant about I challenge you, and then
lo and behold, this one pops up in the same
damn town where he lived.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the first thing I thought, because I did
go down the rabbit hole a couple of years ago
when this came out, and I spent a couple of.
Speaker 2: Days back to back.
Speaker 5: Not every second of every day, but I did spend
a significant amount of time searching for any and every
Halloween ape mask, bigfoot mask, sasquatch mask, anything I could
think of to look for, and I couldn't find. I
got close a couple of times, but I could not
find the exact mask. So it did make sense to
me that he was using something. I even said. I
think when we first started talking about it, I was
very adamant to say, I don't think this is just
off the rack kind of situation here. I think it's
been altered. They've done something to it. That's why I
thought he was so confident. And now it makes sense
because if you see the actual mask that was used,
or the actual type of mask that was used, it's white.
It's predominantly white, and obviously the face of Nef is black,
so there had to be some dying going on. There
had to be some spray paint involved or something going
on to make this mask black, except for the couple
of spots in the ears that you can see in
the photos that I guess they just felt they needed
to not paint. I'm not sure about that, but anyway,
I thought the same thing as you. So I reached
out to the cellar and had a conversation with the
seller directly, and I started asking questions about the mask. Hey,
is there a tag inside the mask? Because initially they
said it was local pickup only. As much as I
love busting a hoaxer and doing things Bigfoot related, I'm
not fucking flying to Canada to pick up a four
dollars mask. Sorry not have, but they told me they
weren't going to ship it initially. So I was trying
to ask these background questions to see if I could
further the investigation without actually having the physical mask in
my possession. I was asking about a tag, something that
might give a tale of the manufacture that I could
reach out to directly or do a search and maybe
find a similar mask that I could actually have in
my hands. Her response was, it's actually my boyfriend's fathers.
We got it from him and he's had it for decades.
Decades would be early two thousand's, maybe late nineteen nineties ish.
If you've ever been to Canada, they have different stores
up there than we have down here. It's not the
exact same as the United States. Maybe they don't have
a Spirit Halloween. Maybe they have this Canadian version of
Spirit Halloween where this mask was sold. I don't know,
but she said that she couldn't find a tag, there
was nothing on the mask that would give away the
manufactur or anything like that, and that her boyfriend was
out of town and he was coming back in another
week or two and he would further the conversation with me.
He's essentially after that conversation, he did reach out to me,
sent me a friend request on Facebook, and reached out
to me via Messenger, and he is now willing to
after some negotiation above his asking price on Facebook marketplace,
he is going to sell me the mask and ship
it to me. He's going to be back on July
the eleventh as we record this, so sometime next week
hopefully we'll be able to touch base get it worked out.
He's going to ship me the mask and I will
actually have the mask in my hands.
Speaker 4: Brian, did you go over while you're wanting it? Did
you talk to the seller about it? Did he know
anything about this?
Speaker 5: No, he didn't know anything about this. They didn't seem
to have any idea who Mike Patterson was, And that's
a good question. When I posted in a couple of
groups about this, I had people reaching out to me,
sending me private messages asking if I had asked the seller, Hey,
did you have multiple of these? And did you sell
one to a guy named Mike or Dwayne. I didn't
do that, but I've had people reach out to me
saying that they too saw the posting. They clicked on
the Facebook marketplace posting for the mask and reached out
to the seller that responded back and said, no, that
I don't have any idea who this Mike or Dwayne
person is, So I don't think they have multiples of
the mask, and I don't think they were the person
that they got it from directly. Boy, would that have
been fantastic for them to say, oh, yeah, I know
Mike or I know Dwayne. Yeah, we sold them the
mask three years ago. But unfortunately that didn't happen, but
I don't think we need that at this point. Here's
why I got so excited, and I want to talk
about this before we get into some of the more
nefarious stuff that came after that posting. I got excited
about this because we've talked about this for so long.
When it comes to hoaxes, I don't care what the
hoax is. You can insert a Rick Dyer hoax, you
can insert a Todd Standing hoax. You can talk about
Sasquatch Ontario. We all can look at these things and
subjectively say that's not the face of a bigfoot, it
is the face of a mask.
Speaker 2: It's bullshit.
Speaker 5: We can say Todd Stanning's videos or bullshit, but without
an admission or a smoking gun evidence that proves said hoax,
I e. The actual face, right, somebody would have to
produce the mask or the costume that Todd used to
create his Jake videos or his day Watcher video or
insert whatever number video.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: That never happened, almost never. I tried to rack my
brain and think outside of maybe Jerry CRU's family finding
his stompers back from the fifties, when if we ever
had someone hoax and then someone discovered the actual evidence,
i e. The suit, the stompers, the gloves, the hands,
the arm, the mask, whatever it was actually used to
perpetrate said hoax.
Speaker 4: It made me think about Brian, about the two guys
that saw the gloves and Todd standings truck. That's the
first thing I thought about when you started talking about this.
It's not documented or filmed or anything, was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a video of out on their YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: Of them actually showing the gloves.
Speaker 7: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: You don't get to see the gloves, but you see
them walking over to his truck with Todd and them saying, hey,
what's the deal with those and Todd saying, oh, that's
just a Joe Cut's just a practical joke from my
brother in law from Christmas High. Nothing to see here,
those sasquatch hands. I would never use those to take
apples and videos that I'm purporting to being masquatches. That's
not anything to see there. Look over there, RuPaul reference.
If you don't watch rupaul'sdrag race. Yeah, that's the first
thing I went to. But again, you don't get to
necessarily see the actual thing.
Speaker 2: What's there.
Speaker 5: They've seen it, they've called it out. There's a video
that may not be a smoking gun. It's a hot gun,
but I don't know if it's smoking. Yeah, when you
have someone put out something like the face of sasquatch Ie,
the face of nef and then you find an astute
person who is going down the rabbit hole who actually says,
look what I found on Facebook marketplace just a few
miles from where this cat lives, and it's an identical
one hundred percent match one hundred percent. You don't have
to stretch to look at these photos and correct me
if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Wayne.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm biased here, But even before I did anything
to enhance the photo or make the photo any better,
fucking with the contrast anything, it took me about four
seconds to compare those two and say that is identical
to what I'm seeing in this net photo.
Speaker 2: Was it that easy for you?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, there's no mistaking it. Again, I could be biased too,
but outside of it being lighter in color, but you
have said it's going to have to be painted. A
can of black spread paint isn't too expensive. They had
to have done something like that, and I'm sure that
they did.
Speaker 2: And they added eyeballs.
Speaker 5: There's clearly eyeballs in this mask that aren't there in
a Halloween mask because when you put it on, your
eyeballs go in the eye holes.
Speaker 2: But it's not difficult to do.
Speaker 5: I'm not a makeup artist, but I guarantee you I
can recreate this photo almost identically with that mask. Given
a day, one day, maybe a few hours, I can
recreate it. And that's my plan when I get the mask,
is to recreate these photos as closely as possible to
say here it is, hands down, one hundred percent shut
the fucking door, okay.
Speaker 2: Hoak solved.
Speaker 5: And of course I posted in the Coalition group, I
posted in my group, I posted in a couple of
other groups that we're going to talk about now, and
I started getting messages from people saying, in the that
looks like it, but it's not. I believe Mike or this,
that or the other. Of course that's what's gonna happen.
The majority of it, honestly was people razing me. Of course,
Pat fucking Turner, he was the first one to step, Oh,
you're late to the game on this, Brian, you don't
realize how late you are. That's been busted years ago. Motherfucker.
Did you find the mask? Did you find the mask?
I'm not aware of anybody who's found the mask until
today when it was posted about.
Speaker 4: He just can't help himself, Brian. That's all there is too.
He can't fucking help himself. He does not have the
ability to control his fucking mouth or his fingers. When topping,
I was wondering what that was. I saw you replied
to it late to the party. No, this is brand new.
This is brand fucking new. Pat. Yeah, we said two
years ago when it came out this is a hoax. Yet, congratulation,
But did anybody find the fucking mask two years ago?
Speaker 5: No, so this is new. You were the first one
to the party, Yeah, as they're dancing by myself. Of course,
there were other people saying the same thing. He's been
a hoaxer. He's always been known to be a hoaxer.
And I thought, here again is one of the problems
with this community.
Speaker 2: And these people.
Speaker 5: You can't just see information in real time. Sure, everybody's
talked about what a hoaxer he's been, but has anybody
ever had proof? No, never before has it ever been seen,
and now it has. This guy on Reddit found the
exact type of mask that was used to create these
fucking photos. That is new information. Yes, it's important information
that should be shared with people. Here's the other thing
that pissed me off. And I know we're on the
same page with this going into it, but I can't
tell you how much it infuriated me. I posted it
in one particular group that I'm not going to name,
but it is a rather large group with about sixty
five thousand members. It's a bigfoot group on Facebook where
you may or may not see a lot of paradolia
and a lot of bullshit pictures of stick's leaves and
trees that you can't even post a laughing emoji in
or you will get booted.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Initially, when I did the post, it was immediately approved
because I happened to be an admin and listed as
an expert and said group. So I guess I'm just
on the automatic approval list.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But shortly after the creator and owner of the group
reached out to me privately to say, we're not going
to allow you to post that here.
Speaker 2: True or not.
Speaker 5: Basically, we don't want to know because you're calling somebody out,
and we don't do that in this group. Even with
a smoking gun of a bigfoot hoax in a big group,
I was not allowed to post it. In addition to
him sending me the private message, one of his moderators
are admins. She got a little snarky in a separate message,
yelling at me basically in all caps, that this is
not acceptable and I better not ever post something like
that again in her group. She didn't identify the group.
I had to do some research and figure out who
she was talking about because I posted it in several groups.
Eventually found out she was affiliated with this particular group,
where the actual owner of the group reached out to
me and he.
Speaker 2: Was very cordial. He was very supportive.
Speaker 5: He said, look, I don't believe everything that's posted in
the group, but this is our design. We've designed this
group to be a safe place, and he used those
words a safe place or safe space for people to
share their encounters, their evidence without the fear of ridicule.
And look, I get it. This is America. We just
had the fourth of July celebration, We just celebrated the
birth of our country. We have the freedom to do
whatever the fuck we want on Facebook or anywhere else
for that matter. As long as it's not vulgar and
hurting other people, you could do whatever you want in
your group. But I was very clear that I disagreed
with that, because that's part of the problem. You have
a group with over sixty five thousand members who are
clearly into the subject, and they're now not going to
have pertinent information about a very prolific figure in groups
like that one and on YouTube and other groups who
tend to lean that way, So you're basically scrubbing their
world of real information and allowing them to perpetuate their
created world that they live in about Bigfoot. If that's
what you want to do, fine, I told old girl
who sent me the message, basically, fuck you. I will
definitely make sure I never post anything in your group
ever again, including anything that has to do with the hoax.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's a thing. We're not going to change
that again. I say.
Speaker 5: We have our own group. I think we're up to
almost twelve seven hundred members or so in our Bigfoot
Encounters and Field Research on Facebook. So thank you guys
for being a part of that group. If you're not,
please join We'd love to have you in the conversation
because I can tell you what we don't do over there.
We do not stop people from posting real information when
they have something legitimate about someone who's purporting something to
be related to Bigfoot. I reach out to Mike privately,
and Mike decided he was going to respond. He was
not very happy with me when I did the post,
but he says he's used to it. He's been dealing
with this and people like me for the last ten
or twelve years. I can think what I want. Basically,
he hasn't hoaxed anything. I responded a couple of times,
went back and forth on Facebook Messenger, and then he
blocked me. After he said what he had to say,
he blocked me. So the next day I wake up
to messages from Mike Patterson on Facebook Messenger, which means
he unblocked me. He unblocked me because he apparently wanted
to take this personal. He sent this to me July third,
at eleven thirty six am my time. It's a screenshot
from my personal Facebook page where I posted back in
May about Danny and I's wedding anniversary, and Mike writes, quote,
I understand now that picture says everything. You're a little
attention whore. I have people that help me. Then under that,
he sends me a screenshot from the actual reddit post,
and it's got the Reddit post and it's got three
other pictures of masks that looked similar to the mask
that I post about. But it's not it. Mike continues,
You're a little challenged boy child striving for attention, who
has an obsession with masks for at least the last
couple of years. I know how to use AI as well.
Nice try, you might want to work on the teeth.
I know you're crying for attention, looking for subscribers, and
I'm sorry it's just not happening for you. But to
attack someone else is a very pathetic way to show
your small ego. Perhaps your boyfriend can give you some
life lessons. Don't worry, I won't give you the attention
you're crying for. Little boy, and I use the term loosely.
Try cutting back on those estrogen supplements. We know who
wears the pants and your family laughy face. You'd scream
the little girl experiencing what I have, but of course
that's nothing new with you.
Speaker 2: End quote. I found it interesting.
Speaker 5: I guess maybe you have to be gay to read
into some of those because on the face it doesn't
seem like he was being very hateful. But if you've
been gay for the last fifty years like I have,
you know how people use words to get to you
and to get under your skin. It's clear that he
is making fun of.
Speaker 2: Us, or me in particular.
Speaker 5: Yes, I've posted that on my Facebook and other places
in social media, so you've probably read that. This is
what nobody's read because this is my response to him
that I'm going to read to you for the first time.
Speaker 2: Fuck you.
Speaker 5: You're clearly mentally ill. You think homophobia is a way
to go about this. You and your little troll army
can go fuck yourselves. You clearly don't know me. I
don't back away from dickheads like you. I don't have
a boyfriend you fuck lick. I have a husband. What
you seem to forget is that I have quite an
audience in this community, and people already know you're a
fucking joke. Unlike you, you want to make it personal, but
I will certainly make it public. We've continued our conversations
back and forth. He doubled down on the hoax. I said,
I was trying to keep it civil. He says, how
can you keep it civil when you're accusing me of
being a hoaxer and calling me a hoaxer? And we
were getting nowhere, and then eventually it just stopped. Then
on that same day, later that day, on July third,
at seven twenty pm, I am going to read this
in its entirety from Mike because the tone has changed,
and I think this is something that we're going to
kind of jump off into this conversation using here. So
July third, at seven twenty after all of those other exchanges,
Mike writes, Okay, Brian, you pissed me off, and I reacted.
Speaker 2: I've put up with.
Speaker 5: This continuous bullshit for a dozen years, always someone coming
at me with their accusations. It gets real old, and
sometimes I get fed up and respond with anger. I
don't lie, I don't embellish. I speak the truth, have
done so from day one. So I've changed my anger
and apologize for my reaction. Put yourself in my position.
If you have someone coming at you, posting some lie
and throwing accusations at you, what's your reaction now? At
a dozen years of the same shit over and over. Yeah,
it gets old, and I'm fed up. I do have contact,
and there's a reason for it. Sasquatch don't give that
to just anyone. They know my heart and of course
I'm not perfect, and they don't hold that against me.
So I'm sorry for my reaction. Sometimes people bring the
nasty out in someone and that doesn't mean that's who
they are. I should have just said nothing and let
the haters hate. It's a work in progress. End quote,
and he continues on. He sends me more stuff. He
sends me some link to the Flash of Beauty film
and Sonya in the Flash of Beauty Film. I'm not
going to get into all that. And I sent a
very long reply to that, and I'm not going to
read it verbatim. I read it to you Wayne before
we came on, but in a nutshell I sent to Mike.
I said, look, dude, I just want to be honest
with you. I honestly don't think Mike Patterson. And I
said this directly to Mike, I don't think you've coaxed anything. Honestly,
I can't think of any piece of evidence, and I
could be wrong. If I'm wrong I'll be the first
to admit it, but my personal opinion is I don't
think Mike has hoaxed any evidence. I think everything that
has ever been hoaxed, whether it be footprints, vocalization, the
NEF photos, the weird eyeball photo that was debunked years
ago as being the eye of a fish that's hanging
on either Mike or Dwayne's wall in the background that
was supposed to be the eye of a sasquatch. All
of that stuff comes from Dwayne. And I said to Mike,
and I'm paraphrasing Mike, I just want you to sit
with what I'm saying and consider this. Have you ever
really seen Nef? Have you seen Nef or any of
these sasquatch.
Speaker 2: In real life?
Speaker 5: Any of the footprints, any of the vocalizations, any of
the photographs, anything that has come as far as what
you would consider evidence of the existence of these creatures.
Has any of that come directly from you? Or is
Dwayne the one who brings it to you, brings it
to your attention, or is Dwayne always there when it happens.
Because the bottom line is, if you believe anything that
has to do with Dwayne and Sasquatch is real. You're
fucking delusional. It's a hoax.
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Speaker 5: And I even quoted to him. The Truth Prevails YouTube
channel has videos that lay it out for everybody. We've
been screaming it to the rafters for years. Dwayne is
on tape on the Truth Prevails YouTube channel saying that
nef is a hoax and that he is the voice
of Nefatilla, and he's speaking in the voice that's identical
to Nefatia, and I said some other things, and I
just encouraged Mike. I said, look, I'm not out to
get you, dude. I'm just looking for the truth here.
I think if you would sit with this and actually
admit to everybody, all of your eighty semi thousand subscribers
and just the Bigfoot community in general, Hey, I was hoaxed.
Speaker 2: Dwayne got me.
Speaker 5: I believed it because I told him it happens every day.
People like Dwayne fool people all the time. We see
it every There's no shame in it. I'm not insulting
your intelligence. I said, I think you're an intelligent guy.
I think you're an educated guy, but you've been duped.
Just admit it, and maybe you can continue your research
and go on with your life.
Speaker 2: Of course, he doubles down.
Speaker 5: He starts telling me how many thousands of encounters and
experiences he's had over the last ten or twelve years,
how he's been with multiple people who have experienced this
in real time.
Speaker 2: It's real.
Speaker 5: He has them walk beside him while they're invisible, and
he watches the footprints materialize in real time, so he
knows it's real. There's no hope for Mike Patterson at
this point. There's just no hope. I truly believe at
this point he is a victim of his own circumstance.
I think on some level he's got to know, but
he's so complicit because he's so reliant on the hopes
at this point to continue his YouTube channel, to continue
his livelihood, and to have the support that he has
amongst all of these people who believe everything that he says.
I just think he's so far gone he can't admit it.
But I truly believe that for the most part, I
think he's a victim in all this. Honestly, that's what
I feel.
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen very often. But I'm going to disagree
with you, Daddy. I think he absolutely hoaxes. I think
he is absolutely a part of it. And here's why,
the whole mask thing he was involved in that there's
no way he saw that picture from Dwayne and said
that's really neugh. There's no way he did not know
that there was a mask on that porch. Did he
take the picture or did Dwayne he took the picture out,
Dwayne took the picture, Dwayne took the picture. Okay, So
you really think that to this day Mike still thinks
that was a real Sasquatch face, or you don't think
he knows that was a mask.
Speaker 2: I truly think he thinks it's real.
Speaker 4: Do you really?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: I just can't fathom that he's that dumb. Like you said,
he's well spoken, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
I can't fathom he's that stupid, because you would have
to be.
Speaker 5: I would tend to agree with you, and I have
thought that for years that he was a part of
the hoax. But I have had other people reach out
to me and say, hey, I'm having conversations offline here
through direct messages with Mike.
Speaker 2: I believe the stude's being hoaxed.
Speaker 5: I believe he's delusional because he's saying the exact same
thing to them that he's saying to me. Now, is
that a script? I don't think so. I think he
truly believes it. And here's why I believe this. I
haven't talked to this person directly about the situation, but
I did see a couple of comments in one of
the groups that I posted in when I posted my post,
there was somebody and I'm not going to call him
out by name here, I just don't feel that I
have to at this point. But someone else, who is
a very intelligent personson who's pretty well known in the
Bigfoot community, said in his comments that this was a
dubious claim being made against Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario,
and that Mike has never presented anything that he felt
was nefarious or wasn't real evidence. And I was literally
blown away to the point where I responded to the
comment and said, are you saying that you believe everything
that he said? Because if that's the case, I have
lost all hope for humanity at this point, because again,
this is a very well educated intelligent person that I've
had multiple conversations with on the phone about other things
related to the bigfoot community does have some very woo
slash high strangeness beliefs about Bigfoot that I don't agree with.
But I never would have in a million years thought
that he could look at a piece of evidence like
this mask, for example. Let's just isolate that one thing.
The vocalizations, the footprints, all the other shit that they've claimed,
the falling marbles that are materializing out of fucking nowhere.
Why a bigfoot would materialize marbles to hit you with
inside of a camper, I'm clueless, but you're saying that's happened.
Take all of that out of the equation and just
focus on the evidence at hand. You present something that's
supposed to be the face of a sasquatch, and I
present the mask that's clearly the face that you use
to make this bogus picture, and you can't look at
that objectively and say, damn, dude, that's messed up. That's
clearly a match. Can't do that. We're going to double
down on the fact that he believes everything that Mike says.
I said all that to say, if Mike can convince
that person who's very intelligent and highly educated that his
hoax is real or this situation is real. It's not
a stretch for me to believe that someone like Dwayne
can convince Mike, who wants to believe this beyond anything
you can imagine. I don't think it's even fathomable for us,
you and I are anybody listening to this to understand
how passionate Mike is about what he believes. I'm talking
like cult level involvement with this. This is his religion.
He believes it wholeheartedly. I don't think it's a stretch
to think that somebody like Duwayne, who doesn't seem like
the sharpest tool in the shed to me, to be
honest with you, could perpetrate such a hoax on somebody
who wants to believe so badly.
Speaker 2: I think, if you think.
Speaker 5: About it, Wayne, you and I have been out in
the woods with people. I think we even joked about
this before we could go out and break some sticks,
leaves and trees. They're going to one hundred percent say
it was Bigfoot one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2: It's not that hard, and these people aren't idiots.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of well educated, smart people that
are involved in cult like scientology. It's not that difficult
to prey on someone's beliefs and manipulate them into doing
pretty much whatever the fuck you want them to do.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm coming from.
Speaker 5: Could you be one hundred percent right, and I could
be one hundred percent wrong that Mike is at least
on some level, at some point been complicit or is
still complicit in the hoax, That is definitely a possibility.
That's just not what I'm getting from this particular situation.
He truly seems to be convinced that this is real.
There's no convincing him otherwise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that does make sense because when you were talking,
even before you even mentioned the Cole thing, I started
thinking about not long ago, I watched the documentary on
Netflix about David Krash, the whole Waco thing. There were
people in there that were former attorneys, smart people that
were so convinced by this guy that they gave up
everything to come and live with them.
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 4: But to d you see Dwyane as this kind of
evil genius.
Speaker 5: Fuck No, when you put it that way, He's not
an evil genius. Yes, that's not him. But you don't
have to be a genius to do these things. It
goes back to the Todd's standing thing people used to
say and still do. I don't think Todd has the
skills to make them creatures that we see in the videos.
He ain't no makeup artist. You don't have to be
a fucking makeup artist to get something one time. Yeah,
Todd's not an idiot. He's a pretty intelligent guy. He's
got a fairly high IQ. It doesn't take a lot.
You just have to have a purpose and focus on
that and you're gonna make it happen. That's exactly what
Dwayne's done. I think Dwayne sees Mike as his playtoy.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 5: I think he enjoys he gets off for whatever reason.
He gets off on fooling this dude and making fun
of He's admitted the hoax. I even said to Mike
and some of the messages going back and forth when
he was talking about insulting his intelligence, I said, dude,
there's videos of Dwayne admitting.
Speaker 2: That he hoaxed you.
Speaker 5: Your explanation for that is, Oh, he only said that
because he was protecting his family from the people who
were threatening him.
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? Dude?
Speaker 5: It is baffling to me that right there. If that
in a nutshell doesn't show you he had the opportunity there, Mike,
had he truly been a part of this. I think
he's smart enough to know. Okay, the gigs up here,
Dwayne has admitted this shit. There's no unringing that bell.
I've got to come clean and say, look, folks, I'm
right here with you. I was duped by this dude.
He's done this to me for ten years, and I
wanted to believe so badly. He prayed on that. I
am so sorry that I've fallen for this, But let's
move forward. There's other things going on. I'm having other experiences.
Let's just pivot and go somewhere else. He could have
done that years ago when this first came out. He
chose not to because he truly believes everything he says.
Speaker 4: He wants it to be real.
Speaker 2: He wants it to be real so bad.
Speaker 5: It's just like the people that you argue with that
sends you these paradolia pictures and say I'm sorry as
nicely as you can, I'm sorry. I don't see what
what do you mean You don't see the big foots.
Clearly there's a kid, there's two of them. You see
the teeth, you see the eyes. There's no other motivation
other than the fact of their hardcore, deep in their DNA,
their molecular makeup believes that there is a bigfoot in
that picture, and there's no convincing them otherwise. I think
that Mike has the same thing going on. It just
goes beyond the paradolia. It goes into flying marbles, materializing
and vocalizations inside and them taking gifts. I tried, but
there's no arguing with him. I could have told him
five thousand things that would have been plausible that Dwayne
is there for all of us. He has the motive
and opportunity to do these things. If we were investigating
a criminal case and Mike was the victim of a
murder and we're trying to figure out if Dwayne killed
his ass or not, it's like going to the husband
first if the wife comes up missing. Scott Peterson killed
his wife and through her overboard, you look at the
person closest to you when something like that happens. If
we were out in the woods and bigfootshit was happening
around us all the time, I would be watching your ass.
Is he throwing rocks? Is he hitting tree knocks? Is
he making vocalizations? It's just the thing to do if
you're smart. But he will never do that because he
truly believes that these inner dimensional, invisible sasquatches are taking
fucking selfies on his sofa and talking to him in
his sleep. There's no convincing him otherwise. When I did
the post, I was apprehensive at first to put out
the personal attack stuff because I don't want to be
the main character here. I don't give a shit what
Mike says about me. I have been in this lifetime
way too fucking long and my skin is way too
thick to give a shit about some gay slurs. I
could give a fuck less. I just wanted to show
people his character.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: If someone puts that kind of stuff out there and
that is the first thing that they go to, is
a personal attack about someone's sexuality, that is a problem
for me because it shows a pattern of your character.
Does that mean that he's more likely to be complicit
in this or just simply to continue to defend his
friend Dwayne against all attackers. I think it does. So
I put that out there to show what his true
character was. And of course people were pissed off about it.
They were upset about it. People don't like homophobia whatever.
I get it, it's cool, but I did it to
show his character. Eventually, after doubling down on it initially,
he's come back and apologized.
Speaker 4: That was the definition of a backhanded apology right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, but you made me do this. Yeah,
I'm sorry I punched you in the face, but you
made me do it. It was your fault, your face
hit my fist. Sorry, not sorry. It wasn't about being
a victim, because he even accused me of that. I
don't think I read that out loud, but he said,
you seem like the one who's going to play victim here,
so post everything, I say, I don't really give a
shit because you're just going to play little victim.
Speaker 2: But I didn't do that to be the main character.
Speaker 5: I did it because I wanted people to see what
his character truly was. And I think that is a
reflection of Mike because if that's the first thing you
go to, I don't care what you say, pissed off
or not the first thing that comes out of your mouth.
Is like when people get drunk and they say things
that they say they don't mean when they're drunk. No,
you always say what you mean when you're drunk. It's
the same thing when you're pissed off, you say what
you truly mean. Sometimes it's hurt. I just wanted it
to be put out there because I feel like at
this point people really don't seem to care about evidence anymore.
They don't care about a smoking gun and a hoax.
But I'm going to keep screaming it to the rafters.
I think it's important for people to see the truth
behind this, and I'm going to keep doing my part.
I actually got a text message from Steve Coles, the
Squatch Detective this morning. Steve said he's going to do
a live show tonight at nine pm Eastern and asked
me to come on and talk about the mask situation
with Mike Patterson, and I told him if it'd send
me a link, I would join him and his co
host over on The Squatch Detective Live on YouTube tonight.
So if you guys are interested in that, obviously it's
already happened, so you can go over and check out
the Squatch Detective YouTube. I may eventually put out the
audio over on Sasquatch Odyssey from that discussion, depending on
where we go with it. It comes back to this,
despite all the other shit, the personal attacks and things
like that, it boils down to me. I think it's
important to I don't think celebrate is the word, but
at least put it out there when there is something
like this that's a smoking gun that proves that something
is fake. It is very important to me to put
that out there for people to see, because if we
change the mind of five or ten people, I think
we're doing our part here. I'm not the Bigfoot Police,
you're not the Bigfoot police. But I think that's why
this show and shows like it are important, because it
just becomes an afterthought for people. They're just like, oh,
that's a proven hoax. He's been proven. Well no, really,
until this very moment, nothing was ever proven. We all
thought it. It's a general consensus, right, but proof is
something different.
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Speaker 5: Finding an exact copy of a mask that is a
one hundred percent match to this purported bigfoot photograph that
he and Dwayne put out as real is important in
my opinion. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 4: My question to you, Brian, say, you get the mask,
you do a successful recreation and it is even more
spot on than we already see it as. How many
people you think it will convent? How many followers do
you think he will lose?
Speaker 2: None?
Speaker 5: I really don't think it's gonna matter. It's only going
to matter to me and the few people who listen
to this show who truly care about that stuff. Everybody else,
this is going to be an episode they listen to
and they'll move on to the next thing. It's just
not important to them. And I don't understand why. If
you care about this subject in any capacity, I don't
understand why it's not more important.
Speaker 4: I don't either. If every influencer would come together, if
you got this done, if everyone would come together and
collectively blast this, maybe it would make a different But
I just don't see it. One or two shows talking
about it, he may lose a few, but it's not
going to be enough to matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a.
Speaker 5: Few people that were in the comments on Facebook and
other places where I had posted this whether it be
and our big Foot Encounters and Field Research group on Facebook.
On my personal Facebook that were responding to this, there
were a few saying, oh my god, I've always believed
what he said, but this is horrible. I can't believe
he would say that to you unfollowed or something like that.
So there may be a few, but by and large,
these people don't care because it's their entertainment. I guess
that's what it boils down to. But it's like I've
said before, you see this cancel culture. It was a
thing over the last few years, I'd say, going back
about five years, there's been this resurgence or this influx
of the cancel culture where somebody will dig up a
video of somebody in blackface and college at a college
campus party and they get canceled, or they say something
derogatory about a woman in a joke fourteen years ago,
they get canceled. I don't believe in the cancel culture.
I really don't. I think that people have the ability
to say what they want to say. I think us
as consumers should be able to make informed decisions to
say I'm not going to buy a product from that person.
I'm not going to watch that person's videos. I'm not
going to support that person on Patreon or support them
on Apple podcast subscriptions, or whatever the case may be.
I don't believe in rallying against canceling people. But if
you're lying to people, if you are perpetrated reading a
lie and saying it's something else, I believe that information
is important, and I believe that there should be a
conduit like this show to put that out there for
people to make informed decisions. I wouldn't follow a person
like Mike after seeing that he's a hoaxer number one,
or he's alleging that this is a true Sasquatch and
it's a mask, or the fact that he feels that
way about gay people, or black people, or Indian people
or Muslim people, whatever. I don't care insert whatever. I
just don't feel like I'm going to buy a product
from that person or engage in their material or their content.
But there doesn't seem to be this care anymore of
people's character. It's very similar. I saw it this morning
before I hopped on here. One of our listeners on
Facebook had posted something about a missing for one one case,
and he was talking about new information and a book
coming out, and this guy, he's basically souping up his
encounter and he's selling his experien I guess it's been
covered by David Polaiitis on Missing four one one, and
I just simply commented and said, are you aware of
his shady past? Do you know that when he quote
retired from law enforcement, that he was arrested in charge
with fraud? Does that matter? Does it change any of
the stories? Does it change what you believe as far
as what he says? Maybe not does to me because
I look at a person's character. If you're going to
purport that you were in law enforcement and that you
were a cop for these years and you did all
these great things, do you think people should know that
you retired under duress, were you fired, you were certainly
arrested and charged and sentenced. Just little things like that.
But does it matter to people? Nobody knows that history,
nobody cares. It's entertainment.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 5: I think the mystery has been solved. Like it was
a mystery that Sasquatch Ontario and all their bullshit was
a hoax to start with. I think we've proven that
once and for all with this mask discovery. So kudos
to the dude on Reddit. Thank you so much for
doing the digging. I am so glad you found it.
I'm so glad that you put the link to the
actual mask in there that I've been able to reach
out to them and I'm going to own it soon.
And thank everybody for listening, and thank everybody for paying attention.
That does pay attention. We know that you guys are
out there. We know it's important to a lot of you.
That's why we do what we do, not just for ourselves,
but for you guys, to put that information out there
and let it be known. But as always Wayne, no
matter what it is, you get the last word on
the show.
Speaker 4: All right, guys, again, thanks so much for all of
the continued support, both me personally and us as a show.
Thank you so much. Please continue to rate and review.
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Speaker 3: Bye. No