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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot Podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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strongly advised.

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Speaker 2: Wayang, what's going on man?

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Speaker 3: Ran?

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Speaker 4: Has it going in the Bigfoot Bungalow.

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Speaker 5: I'm hanging in like a hare and a biscuit here

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at the Bigfoot Bungalow.

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Speaker 2: Just have a little breakfast.

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Speaker 5: We're recording early here on a Sunday morning. What's going

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on with you, man? What's happening up in Tennessee?

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Speaker 4: Not a whole heck of a lot, hanging out doing

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my thing, putting out some episodes over on the Bigfoot Report,

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getting back into the swing of things. Happy to be

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here with you this morning for another episode.

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Speaker 5: I know, man, I have been chomping at the bit.

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I forgot how much I fucking love doing this show.

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Until you don't have it, It's like you don't know

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what you got until it's gone kind of thing, and

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I was excited this morning. I was running around doing

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breakfast and taking the dogs out. I'm working on an

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episode over on Backwoods Bigfoot Stories. I can't believe I've

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never done a Mothman episode, so I'm putting together a

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Mothman episode. I'm excited about that. Danny loves Mothman. It's

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his favorite cryptid. I was going over that editing this

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morning before he left to go pick blueberries and have

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fun with one of his friends up in Morgington, and

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he was like, what is that you're doing there? What

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episode is that? It's like, oh, it's a new Backwards

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Bigfoot Stories episode on Mothman. When's that going to drop?

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Does that mean you want to listen to it? Are

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you going to listen to it on your drive home?

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Love Mothman so I might listen to it.

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Speaker 2: That's a first.

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Speaker 5: I've literally never produced anything on any of the shows

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ever that he's actually wanted to listen to two, But

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now Mothman coming on back.

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Speaker 2: Was Bigfoot Stories. He wants to hear that.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully it'll drop later today as we record this here

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on Sunday. By the time you hear this it's definitely out.

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So if you guys want to go listen to it

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and go check out the Bigfoot Report, see what Tiffany

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and Wayne have going on over there, show them some

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love and give them some listens and some likes, and

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rate and review the show.

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Speaker 2: We would appreciate that greatly. We did get a lot

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of feedback.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get into it now because we

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got something else to get into, but people were sending messages.

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I was reading over the messages. The comments are over

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on Spotify this morning, sending you love for the episode

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we did last week of that Bigfoot podcast. Everybody enjoyed

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that they were sending some love your way, saying how

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much they support you and appreciate you sharing your personal

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and vulnerable moments on the show. That is very much appreciated.

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As always, we do read every single one of those comments.

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I try to respond to every single one of them.

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We just don't get to everything. Just know we're reading

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them and we appreciate it greatly.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I certainly do. And not only there, but I've

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gotten more than my normal share of emails, people reaching out,

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and not only emails but private messages and stuff on Facebook,

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and I appreciate every single one of those guys. Thank

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you so much.

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Speaker 5: All Right, dude, let's get into it. We're going to

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forego any of the other pomp and circumstance and dive

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right into this because I have been excited about this

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recent revelation. I guess it was a revelation to me.

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It bothers me a little bit when you post something

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on social media and people act like it's something that

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happened like ten years ago. We're talking about Mike Patterson's Sasquatch, Ontario,

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who we have talked about more than our fair share

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on this podcast, but we actually have something that I

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feel is significant to talk about. Because I was thinking

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about this over the last couple of days since this happened,

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the face of Sasquatch, the face of nef video that

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Mike put out. I didn't realize this was twenty twenty three.

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I literally thought it was last year. Since they've gotten

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 5: Time seems to fly by, and what I think happened

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last month was actually two years ago. So I had

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to go back into the archives and see when I

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initially posted about this video that Mike put out, purporting

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that he had captured or Dwayne had captured the face

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of Sasquatch aka the face of nef in these ridiculous

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photos that he did a video on back in twenty

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twenty three. Of course I posted about it right after

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because it really pissed me off, and we've been talking

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about him and that ever since. You know how I

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feel about Reddit. I think everybody listening probably knows how

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of social media. That opinion has not changed and probably

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never will. But I still occasionally dip my toe into Reddit,

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and I do get notifications from time to time from readit.

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When somebody posts in the Bigfoot subreddit or whatever. That

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happened a couple of days ago. This notification come through

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for this post. I click on it, and lo and behold,

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what do I see? I think I've found the mask

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that Sasquatch Ontario you used to make these ridiculous photos

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of the face of Sasquatch aka F. So I read

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through it, I'm like, holy shit. As soon as I

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saw a photo, I took ten seconds to compare the two.

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It is definitely, absolutely, one hundred percent, hands down a match.

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This is the same type. Now, obviously it's not the

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same mask because it's listed for sale on Facebook marketplace

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in Canada and Creemore, which I've been told is just

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a hop, skip and a jump right around the corner

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from guess who, Mike Patterson and in addition to Mike

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Dwayne who actually took the photos. So of course I

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do a post on social media saying, hey, I can't

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take credit for this. I did not find the mask.

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This guy did, kudos to him, But here it is.

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It is one hundred percent a match. Stevie Wonder Ray

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Charles can look at these two comparison photos and see,

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in my opinion, that it is exactly the same. I

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mean down to the creases in the forehead, the ears,

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the mouth, the teeth, the texture of the mask, everything.

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But clearly it wasn't clear enough for everybody who was

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looking at the post because I was getting oh no,

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the mouth is off, it looks similar, but the ears

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are off, or oh no, the teeth aren't the same,

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but yeah, looks similar.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck are you looking at?

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Speaker 5: I ran it through an AI program that clarified those

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harder to see areas and made it to me one

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thousand percent clear that this is the exact same type

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of mask that was used for that photo. Mistake number one,

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Shame on me for running it through AI. But I

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didn't create the photos the mask. Was it created by me?

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The photo of Nef?

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Speaker 2: Was it created by me?

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Speaker 5: I simply used AI as a tool to take away

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all the noise, brighten up the image and say here

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it is right here in your face. Again, Shame on me,

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because the first thing that Mike patters and did is

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say you shouldn't have used AI to create the mask.

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based on Nef's face. And we'll get into way more

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of what Mike had to say, because in addition to

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doing this post, I sent a comparison photo of the

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mask and what's purported to be Nef's face directly to

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Mike Patterson in Facebook Messenger to say found it because

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some of you may not remember. Mike actually says in

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the video, the initial video where he posted in twenty

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twenty three, there will be people who say this is

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a mask. I challenge you because you're never going to

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find a mask that looks anything like this, because it's

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not a mask. It's the actual face of nefatigue.

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Speaker 6: So it was unexpected, complete surprise, and I expect to,

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you know, a lot of debate and controversy surrounding these photographs.

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You know, that's entirely expected considering the significance of them.

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They are, you know, they're they're the clear face shot

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of a sasquatch. You know, they are people. You know,

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they don't look like us. You know you can see

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that that animalistic side and that human side in his face.

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You can see is the expression in his face too.

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You can search the internet all you want for a mask,

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you know I'm gonna find anything close.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to be very clear and show him

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it has been found. Dude, it wasn't me. This other

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guy who found it. I'm giving him full credit for that.

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I'm not trying to take his thunder. But the mask

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was found.

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Speaker 4: Brian by him being so adamant. I challenge anyone to

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find this mask and the one that was found that's

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on the Facebook marketplace. It being also in Ontario, reportedly

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pretty close to where all this is going on, doesn't

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it make you think this could be like a locally

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produced mask, just local to that area. Because why would

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he be so adamant about I challenge you, and then

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lo and behold, this one pops up in the same

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damn town where he lived.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the first thing I thought, because I did

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go down the rabbit hole a couple of years ago

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when this came out, and I spent a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Days back to back.

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Speaker 5: Not every second of every day, but I did spend

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a significant amount of time searching for any and every

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Halloween ape mask, bigfoot mask, sasquatch mask, anything I could

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think of to look for, and I couldn't find. I

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got close a couple of times, but I could not

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find the exact mask. So it did make sense to

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me that he was using something. I even said. I

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think when we first started talking about it, I was

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very adamant to say, I don't think this is just

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off the rack kind of situation here. I think it's

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been altered. They've done something to it. That's why I

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thought he was so confident. And now it makes sense

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because if you see the actual mask that was used,

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or the actual type of mask that was used, it's white.

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It's predominantly white, and obviously the face of Nef is black,

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so there had to be some dying going on. There

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had to be some spray paint involved or something going

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on to make this mask black, except for the couple

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of spots in the ears that you can see in

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the photos that I guess they just felt they needed

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to not paint. I'm not sure about that, but anyway,

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I thought the same thing as you. So I reached

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out to the cellar and had a conversation with the

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seller directly, and I started asking questions about the mask. Hey,

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is there a tag inside the mask? Because initially they

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said it was local pickup only. As much as I

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love busting a hoaxer and doing things Bigfoot related, I'm

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not fucking flying to Canada to pick up a four

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dollars mask. Sorry not have, but they told me they

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weren't going to ship it initially. So I was trying

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to ask these background questions to see if I could

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further the investigation without actually having the physical mask in

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my possession. I was asking about a tag, something that

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might give a tale of the manufacture that I could

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reach out to directly or do a search and maybe

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find a similar mask that I could actually have in

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my hands. Her response was, it's actually my boyfriend's fathers.

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We got it from him and he's had it for decades.

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Decades would be early two thousand's, maybe late nineteen nineties ish.

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If you've ever been to Canada, they have different stores

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up there than we have down here. It's not the

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exact same as the United States. Maybe they don't have

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a Spirit Halloween. Maybe they have this Canadian version of

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Spirit Halloween where this mask was sold. I don't know,

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but she said that she couldn't find a tag, there

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was nothing on the mask that would give away the

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manufactur or anything like that, and that her boyfriend was

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out of town and he was coming back in another

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week or two and he would further the conversation with me.

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He's essentially after that conversation, he did reach out to me,

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sent me a friend request on Facebook, and reached out

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to me via Messenger, and he is now willing to

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after some negotiation above his asking price on Facebook marketplace,

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he is going to sell me the mask and ship

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it to me. He's going to be back on July

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the eleventh as we record this, so sometime next week

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hopefully we'll be able to touch base get it worked out.

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He's going to ship me the mask and I will

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actually have the mask in my hands.

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Speaker 4: Brian, did you go over while you're wanting it? Did

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you talk to the seller about it? Did he know

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anything about this?

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Speaker 5: No, he didn't know anything about this. They didn't seem

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to have any idea who Mike Patterson was, And that's

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a good question. When I posted in a couple of

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groups about this, I had people reaching out to me,

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sending me private messages asking if I had asked the seller, Hey,

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did you have multiple of these? And did you sell

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one to a guy named Mike or Dwayne. I didn't

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do that, but I've had people reach out to me

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saying that they too saw the posting. They clicked on

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the Facebook marketplace posting for the mask and reached out

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to the seller that responded back and said, no, that

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I don't have any idea who this Mike or Dwayne

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person is, So I don't think they have multiples of

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the mask, and I don't think they were the person

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that they got it from directly. Boy, would that have

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been fantastic for them to say, oh, yeah, I know

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Mike or I know Dwayne. Yeah, we sold them the

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mask three years ago. But unfortunately that didn't happen, but

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I don't think we need that at this point. Here's

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why I got so excited, and I want to talk

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about this before we get into some of the more

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nefarious stuff that came after that posting. I got excited

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about this because we've talked about this for so long.

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When it comes to hoaxes, I don't care what the

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hoax is. You can insert a Rick Dyer hoax, you

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can insert a Todd Standing hoax. You can talk about

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Sasquatch Ontario. We all can look at these things and

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subjectively say that's not the face of a bigfoot, it

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is the face of a mask.

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Speaker 2: It's bullshit.

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Speaker 5: We can say Todd Stanning's videos or bullshit, but without

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an admission or a smoking gun evidence that proves said hoax,

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I e. The actual face, right, somebody would have to

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produce the mask or the costume that Todd used to

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create his Jake videos or his day Watcher video or

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insert whatever number video.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: That never happened, almost never. I tried to rack my

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brain and think outside of maybe Jerry CRU's family finding

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his stompers back from the fifties, when if we ever

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had someone hoax and then someone discovered the actual evidence,

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i e. The suit, the stompers, the gloves, the hands,

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the arm, the mask, whatever it was actually used to

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perpetrate said hoax.

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Speaker 4: It made me think about Brian, about the two guys

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that saw the gloves and Todd standings truck. That's the

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first thing I thought about when you started talking about this.

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It's not documented or filmed or anything, was it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a video of out on their YouTube channel.

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Speaker 4: Of them actually showing the gloves.

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Speaker 7: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

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be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 5: You don't get to see the gloves, but you see

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them walking over to his truck with Todd and them saying, hey,

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what's the deal with those and Todd saying, oh, that's

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just a Joe Cut's just a practical joke from my

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brother in law from Christmas High. Nothing to see here,

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those sasquatch hands. I would never use those to take

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apples and videos that I'm purporting to being masquatches. That's

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not anything to see there. Look over there, RuPaul reference.

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If you don't watch rupaul'sdrag race. Yeah, that's the first

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thing I went to. But again, you don't get to

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necessarily see the actual thing.

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Speaker 2: What's there.

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Speaker 5: They've seen it, they've called it out. There's a video

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that may not be a smoking gun. It's a hot gun,

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but I don't know if it's smoking. Yeah, when you

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have someone put out something like the face of sasquatch Ie,

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the face of nef and then you find an astute

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person who is going down the rabbit hole who actually says,

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look what I found on Facebook marketplace just a few

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miles from where this cat lives, and it's an identical

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one hundred percent match one hundred percent. You don't have

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to stretch to look at these photos and correct me

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if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Wayne.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm biased here, But even before I did anything

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to enhance the photo or make the photo any better,

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fucking with the contrast anything, it took me about four

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seconds to compare those two and say that is identical

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to what I'm seeing in this net photo.

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Speaker 2: Was it that easy for you?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, there's no mistaking it. Again, I could be biased too,

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but outside of it being lighter in color, but you

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have said it's going to have to be painted. A

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can of black spread paint isn't too expensive. They had

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to have done something like that, and I'm sure that

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they did.

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Speaker 2: And they added eyeballs.

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Speaker 5: There's clearly eyeballs in this mask that aren't there in

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a Halloween mask because when you put it on, your

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eyeballs go in the eye holes.

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Speaker 2: But it's not difficult to do.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a makeup artist, but I guarantee you I

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can recreate this photo almost identically with that mask. Given

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a day, one day, maybe a few hours, I can

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recreate it. And that's my plan when I get the mask,

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is to recreate these photos as closely as possible to

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say here it is, hands down, one hundred percent shut

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the fucking door, okay.

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Speaker 2: Hoak solved.

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Speaker 5: And of course I posted in the Coalition group, I

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posted in my group, I posted in a couple of

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other groups that we're going to talk about now, and

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I started getting messages from people saying, in the that

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looks like it, but it's not. I believe Mike or this,

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that or the other. Of course that's what's gonna happen.

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The majority of it, honestly was people razing me. Of course,

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Pat fucking Turner, he was the first one to step, Oh,

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you're late to the game on this, Brian, you don't

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realize how late you are. That's been busted years ago. Motherfucker.

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Did you find the mask? Did you find the mask?

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I'm not aware of anybody who's found the mask until

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today when it was posted about.

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Speaker 4: He just can't help himself, Brian. That's all there is too.

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He can't fucking help himself. He does not have the

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ability to control his fucking mouth or his fingers. When topping,

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I was wondering what that was. I saw you replied

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to it late to the party. No, this is brand new.

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This is brand fucking new. Pat. Yeah, we said two

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years ago when it came out this is a hoax. Yet, congratulation,

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But did anybody find the fucking mask two years ago?

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Speaker 5: No, so this is new. You were the first one

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to the party, Yeah, as they're dancing by myself. Of course,

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there were other people saying the same thing. He's been

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a hoaxer. He's always been known to be a hoaxer.

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And I thought, here again is one of the problems

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with this community.

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Speaker 2: And these people.

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Speaker 5: You can't just see information in real time. Sure, everybody's

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talked about what a hoaxer he's been, but has anybody

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ever had proof? No, never before has it ever been seen,

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and now it has. This guy on Reddit found the

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exact type of mask that was used to create these

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fucking photos. That is new information. Yes, it's important information

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that should be shared with people. Here's the other thing

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that pissed me off. And I know we're on the

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same page with this going into it, but I can't

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tell you how much it infuriated me. I posted it

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in one particular group that I'm not going to name,

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but it is a rather large group with about sixty

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five thousand members. It's a bigfoot group on Facebook where

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you may or may not see a lot of paradolia

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and a lot of bullshit pictures of stick's leaves and

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trees that you can't even post a laughing emoji in

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or you will get booted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Initially, when I did the post, it was immediately approved

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because I happened to be an admin and listed as

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an expert and said group. So I guess I'm just

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on the automatic approval list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But shortly after the creator and owner of the group

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reached out to me privately to say, we're not going

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to allow you to post that here.

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Speaker 2: True or not.

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Speaker 5: Basically, we don't want to know because you're calling somebody out,

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and we don't do that in this group. Even with

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a smoking gun of a bigfoot hoax in a big group,

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I was not allowed to post it. In addition to

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him sending me the private message, one of his moderators

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are admins. She got a little snarky in a separate message,

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yelling at me basically in all caps, that this is

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not acceptable and I better not ever post something like

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that again in her group. She didn't identify the group.

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I had to do some research and figure out who

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she was talking about because I posted it in several groups.

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Eventually found out she was affiliated with this particular group,

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where the actual owner of the group reached out to

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me and he.

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Speaker 2: Was very cordial. He was very supportive.

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Speaker 5: He said, look, I don't believe everything that's posted in

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the group, but this is our design. We've designed this

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group to be a safe place, and he used those

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words a safe place or safe space for people to

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share their encounters, their evidence without the fear of ridicule.

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And look, I get it. This is America. We just

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had the fourth of July celebration, We just celebrated the

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birth of our country. We have the freedom to do

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whatever the fuck we want on Facebook or anywhere else

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for that matter. As long as it's not vulgar and

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hurting other people, you could do whatever you want in

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your group. But I was very clear that I disagreed

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with that, because that's part of the problem. You have

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a group with over sixty five thousand members who are

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clearly into the subject, and they're now not going to

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have pertinent information about a very prolific figure in groups

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like that one and on YouTube and other groups who

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tend to lean that way, So you're basically scrubbing their

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world of real information and allowing them to perpetuate their

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created world that they live in about Bigfoot. If that's

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what you want to do, fine, I told old girl

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who sent me the message, basically, fuck you. I will

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definitely make sure I never post anything in your group

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ever again, including anything that has to do with the hoax.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's a thing. We're not going to change

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that again. I say.

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Speaker 5: We have our own group. I think we're up to

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almost twelve seven hundred members or so in our Bigfoot

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Encounters and Field Research on Facebook. So thank you guys

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for being a part of that group. If you're not,

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please join We'd love to have you in the conversation

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because I can tell you what we don't do over there.

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We do not stop people from posting real information when

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they have something legitimate about someone who's purporting something to

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be related to Bigfoot. I reach out to Mike privately,

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and Mike decided he was going to respond. He was

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not very happy with me when I did the post,

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but he says he's used to it. He's been dealing

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with this and people like me for the last ten

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or twelve years. I can think what I want. Basically,

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he hasn't hoaxed anything. I responded a couple of times,

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went back and forth on Facebook Messenger, and then he

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blocked me. After he said what he had to say,

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he blocked me. So the next day I wake up

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to messages from Mike Patterson on Facebook Messenger, which means

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he unblocked me. He unblocked me because he apparently wanted

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to take this personal. He sent this to me July third,

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at eleven thirty six am my time. It's a screenshot

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from my personal Facebook page where I posted back in

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May about Danny and I's wedding anniversary, and Mike writes, quote,

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I understand now that picture says everything. You're a little

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attention whore. I have people that help me. Then under that,

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he sends me a screenshot from the actual reddit post,

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and it's got the Reddit post and it's got three

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other pictures of masks that looked similar to the mask

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that I post about. But it's not it. Mike continues,

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You're a little challenged boy child striving for attention, who

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has an obsession with masks for at least the last

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couple of years. I know how to use AI as well.

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Nice try, you might want to work on the teeth.

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I know you're crying for attention, looking for subscribers, and

477
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I'm sorry it's just not happening for you. But to

478
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,400
attack someone else is a very pathetic way to show

479
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,279
your small ego. Perhaps your boyfriend can give you some

480
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,799
life lessons. Don't worry, I won't give you the attention

481
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,200
you're crying for. Little boy, and I use the term loosely.

482
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:14,240
Try cutting back on those estrogen supplements. We know who

483
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,759
wears the pants and your family laughy face. You'd scream

484
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,839
the little girl experiencing what I have, but of course

485
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,319
that's nothing new with you.

486
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: End quote. I found it interesting.

487
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 5: I guess maybe you have to be gay to read

488
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,000
into some of those because on the face it doesn't

489
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,319
seem like he was being very hateful. But if you've

490
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,920
been gay for the last fifty years like I have,

491
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,000
you know how people use words to get to you

492
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,119
and to get under your skin. It's clear that he

493
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,480
is making fun of.

494
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,039
Speaker 2: Us, or me in particular.

495
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:51,319
Speaker 5: Yes, I've posted that on my Facebook and other places

496
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,720
in social media, so you've probably read that. This is

497
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,200
what nobody's read because this is my response to him

498
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,039
that I'm going to read to you for the first time.

499
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: Fuck you.

500
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,279
Speaker 5: You're clearly mentally ill. You think homophobia is a way

501
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:07,160
to go about this. You and your little troll army

502
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,559
can go fuck yourselves. You clearly don't know me. I

503
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,039
don't back away from dickheads like you. I don't have

504
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,319
a boyfriend you fuck lick. I have a husband. What

505
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,039
you seem to forget is that I have quite an

506
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,559
audience in this community, and people already know you're a

507
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:27,400
fucking joke. Unlike you, you want to make it personal, but

508
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,160
I will certainly make it public. We've continued our conversations

509
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:35,119
back and forth. He doubled down on the hoax. I said,

510
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,400
I was trying to keep it civil. He says, how

511
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,599
can you keep it civil when you're accusing me of

512
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,720
being a hoaxer and calling me a hoaxer? And we

513
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,559
were getting nowhere, and then eventually it just stopped. Then

514
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,960
on that same day, later that day, on July third,

515
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,359
at seven twenty pm, I am going to read this

516
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,559
in its entirety from Mike because the tone has changed,

517
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:58,359
and I think this is something that we're going to

518
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,119
kind of jump off into this conversation using here. So

519
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:05,960
July third, at seven twenty after all of those other exchanges,

520
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,839
Mike writes, Okay, Brian, you pissed me off, and I reacted.

521
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: I've put up with.

522
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 5: This continuous bullshit for a dozen years, always someone coming

523
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200
at me with their accusations. It gets real old, and

524
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,480
sometimes I get fed up and respond with anger. I

525
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:27,240
don't lie, I don't embellish. I speak the truth, have

526
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,039
done so from day one. So I've changed my anger

527
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,400
and apologize for my reaction. Put yourself in my position.

528
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,000
If you have someone coming at you, posting some lie

529
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,920
and throwing accusations at you, what's your reaction now? At

530
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,160
a dozen years of the same shit over and over. Yeah,

531
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,720
it gets old, and I'm fed up. I do have contact,

532
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,079
and there's a reason for it. Sasquatch don't give that

533
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,000
to just anyone. They know my heart and of course

534
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,200
I'm not perfect, and they don't hold that against me.

535
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,519
So I'm sorry for my reaction. Sometimes people bring the

536
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,839
nasty out in someone and that doesn't mean that's who

537
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,880
they are. I should have just said nothing and let

538
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,720
the haters hate. It's a work in progress. End quote,

539
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,519
and he continues on. He sends me more stuff. He

540
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:21,480
sends me some link to the Flash of Beauty film

541
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,200
and Sonya in the Flash of Beauty Film. I'm not

542
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,319
going to get into all that. And I sent a

543
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,400
very long reply to that, and I'm not going to

544
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,359
read it verbatim. I read it to you Wayne before

545
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,960
we came on, but in a nutshell I sent to Mike.

546
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,079
I said, look, dude, I just want to be honest

547
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,440
with you. I honestly don't think Mike Patterson. And I

548
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,079
said this directly to Mike, I don't think you've coaxed anything. Honestly,

549
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,160
I can't think of any piece of evidence, and I

550
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160
could be wrong. If I'm wrong I'll be the first

551
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,319
to admit it, but my personal opinion is I don't

552
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,480
think Mike has hoaxed any evidence. I think everything that

553
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:01,039
has ever been hoaxed, whether it be footprints, vocalization, the

554
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:05,680
NEF photos, the weird eyeball photo that was debunked years

555
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,960
ago as being the eye of a fish that's hanging

556
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,119
on either Mike or Dwayne's wall in the background that

557
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,559
was supposed to be the eye of a sasquatch. All

558
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,279
of that stuff comes from Dwayne. And I said to Mike,

559
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,599
and I'm paraphrasing Mike, I just want you to sit

560
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,119
with what I'm saying and consider this. Have you ever

561
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,480
really seen Nef? Have you seen Nef or any of

562
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,839
these sasquatch.

563
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: In real life?

564
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,799
Speaker 5: Any of the footprints, any of the vocalizations, any of

565
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,000
the photographs, anything that has come as far as what

566
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,119
you would consider evidence of the existence of these creatures.

567
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Has any of that come directly from you? Or is

568
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,240
Dwayne the one who brings it to you, brings it

569
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,680
to your attention, or is Dwayne always there when it happens.

570
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,119
Because the bottom line is, if you believe anything that

571
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440
has to do with Dwayne and Sasquatch is real. You're

572
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,599
fucking delusional. It's a hoax.

573
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,119
Speaker 7: Say for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will be

574
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,039
right back after these messages.

575
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,799
Speaker 5: And I even quoted to him. The Truth Prevails YouTube

576
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,279
channel has videos that lay it out for everybody. We've

577
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,200
been screaming it to the rafters for years. Dwayne is

578
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,279
on tape on the Truth Prevails YouTube channel saying that

579
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,599
nef is a hoax and that he is the voice

580
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,920
of Nefatilla, and he's speaking in the voice that's identical

581
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,759
to Nefatia, and I said some other things, and I

582
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,880
just encouraged Mike. I said, look, I'm not out to

583
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,839
get you, dude. I'm just looking for the truth here.

584
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,799
I think if you would sit with this and actually

585
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,599
admit to everybody, all of your eighty semi thousand subscribers

586
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:51,079
and just the Bigfoot community in general, Hey, I was hoaxed.

587
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:52,319
Speaker 2: Dwayne got me.

588
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,799
Speaker 5: I believed it because I told him it happens every day.

589
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,519
People like Dwayne fool people all the time. We see

590
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,680
it every There's no shame in it. I'm not insulting

591
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,960
your intelligence. I said, I think you're an intelligent guy.

592
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,279
I think you're an educated guy, but you've been duped.

593
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:11,200
Just admit it, and maybe you can continue your research

594
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,279
and go on with your life.

595
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,079
Speaker 2: Of course, he doubles down.

596
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,039
Speaker 5: He starts telling me how many thousands of encounters and

597
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:20,880
experiences he's had over the last ten or twelve years,

598
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,079
how he's been with multiple people who have experienced this

599
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,920
in real time.

600
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: It's real.

601
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 5: He has them walk beside him while they're invisible, and

602
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:35,000
he watches the footprints materialize in real time, so he

603
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,559
knows it's real. There's no hope for Mike Patterson at

604
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,920
this point. There's just no hope. I truly believe at

605
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,599
this point he is a victim of his own circumstance.

606
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:49,599
I think on some level he's got to know, but

607
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,079
he's so complicit because he's so reliant on the hopes

608
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,160
at this point to continue his YouTube channel, to continue

609
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,480
his livelihood, and to have the support that he has

610
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,359
amongst all of these people who believe everything that he says.

611
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,559
I just think he's so far gone he can't admit it.

612
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,440
But I truly believe that for the most part, I

613
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200
think he's a victim in all this. Honestly, that's what

614
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:12,680
I feel.

615
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen very often. But I'm going to disagree

616
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,119
with you, Daddy. I think he absolutely hoaxes. I think

617
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,880
he is absolutely a part of it. And here's why,

618
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:30,920
the whole mask thing he was involved in that there's

619
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,000
no way he saw that picture from Dwayne and said

620
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,000
that's really neugh. There's no way he did not know

621
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:42,960
that there was a mask on that porch. Did he

622
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,240
take the picture or did Dwayne he took the picture out,

623
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,519
Dwayne took the picture, Dwayne took the picture. Okay, So

624
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:55,160
you really think that to this day Mike still thinks

625
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,039
that was a real Sasquatch face, or you don't think

626
00:32:58,039 --> 00:32:59,440
he knows that was a mask.

627
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,119
Speaker 2: I truly think he thinks it's real.

628
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,039
Speaker 4: Do you really?

629
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:04,519
Speaker 2: I do.

630
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,319
Speaker 4: I just can't fathom that he's that dumb. Like you said,

631
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,559
he's well spoken, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.

632
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,960
I can't fathom he's that stupid, because you would have

633
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:14,240
to be.

634
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,319
Speaker 5: I would tend to agree with you, and I have

635
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,039
thought that for years that he was a part of

636
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,359
the hoax. But I have had other people reach out

637
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,400
to me and say, hey, I'm having conversations offline here

638
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720
through direct messages with Mike.

639
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: I believe the stude's being hoaxed.

640
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,799
Speaker 5: I believe he's delusional because he's saying the exact same

641
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,440
thing to them that he's saying to me. Now, is

642
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480
that a script? I don't think so. I think he

643
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,759
truly believes it. And here's why I believe this. I

644
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:45,519
haven't talked to this person directly about the situation, but

645
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,319
I did see a couple of comments in one of

646
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,799
the groups that I posted in when I posted my post,

647
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,519
there was somebody and I'm not going to call him

648
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,960
out by name here, I just don't feel that I

649
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,680
have to at this point. But someone else, who is

650
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,079
a very intelligent personson who's pretty well known in the

651
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:07,079
Bigfoot community, said in his comments that this was a

652
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,559
dubious claim being made against Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario,

653
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,119
and that Mike has never presented anything that he felt

654
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:20,519
was nefarious or wasn't real evidence. And I was literally

655
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,760
blown away to the point where I responded to the

656
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,679
comment and said, are you saying that you believe everything

657
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880
that he said? Because if that's the case, I have

658
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:36,079
lost all hope for humanity at this point, because again,

659
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,360
this is a very well educated intelligent person that I've

660
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,039
had multiple conversations with on the phone about other things

661
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,159
related to the bigfoot community does have some very woo

662
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,760
slash high strangeness beliefs about Bigfoot that I don't agree with.

663
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,960
But I never would have in a million years thought

664
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,800
that he could look at a piece of evidence like

665
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,239
this mask, for example. Let's just isolate that one thing.

666
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:06,280
The vocalizations, the footprints, all the other shit that they've claimed,

667
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,559
the falling marbles that are materializing out of fucking nowhere.

668
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,920
Why a bigfoot would materialize marbles to hit you with

669
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,920
inside of a camper, I'm clueless, but you're saying that's happened.

670
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,800
Take all of that out of the equation and just

671
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,119
focus on the evidence at hand. You present something that's

672
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:26,079
supposed to be the face of a sasquatch, and I

673
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:29,239
present the mask that's clearly the face that you use

674
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,239
to make this bogus picture, and you can't look at

675
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,000
that objectively and say, damn, dude, that's messed up. That's

676
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,360
clearly a match. Can't do that. We're going to double

677
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,039
down on the fact that he believes everything that Mike says.

678
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:46,159
I said all that to say, if Mike can convince

679
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,800
that person who's very intelligent and highly educated that his

680
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,480
hoax is real or this situation is real. It's not

681
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,079
a stretch for me to believe that someone like Dwayne

682
00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:00,840
can convince Mike, who wants to believe this beyond anything

683
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,239
you can imagine. I don't think it's even fathomable for us,

684
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,960
you and I are anybody listening to this to understand

685
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,960
how passionate Mike is about what he believes. I'm talking

686
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:19,280
like cult level involvement with this. This is his religion.

687
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,920
He believes it wholeheartedly. I don't think it's a stretch

688
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,079
to think that somebody like Duwayne, who doesn't seem like

689
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,639
the sharpest tool in the shed to me, to be

690
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,239
honest with you, could perpetrate such a hoax on somebody

691
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,920
who wants to believe so badly.

692
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: I think, if you think.

693
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,639
Speaker 5: About it, Wayne, you and I have been out in

694
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,320
the woods with people. I think we even joked about

695
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,840
this before we could go out and break some sticks,

696
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,400
leaves and trees. They're going to one hundred percent say

697
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,519
it was Bigfoot one hundred percent of the time.

698
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,039
Speaker 2: It's not that hard, and these people aren't idiots.

699
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of well educated, smart people that

700
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,440
are involved in cult like scientology. It's not that difficult

701
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,599
to prey on someone's beliefs and manipulate them into doing

702
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:04,760
pretty much whatever the fuck you want them to do.

703
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,599
Speaker 2: That's where I'm coming from.

704
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,079
Speaker 5: Could you be one hundred percent right, and I could

705
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,159
be one hundred percent wrong that Mike is at least

706
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:15,440
on some level, at some point been complicit or is

707
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,280
still complicit in the hoax, That is definitely a possibility.

708
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,920
That's just not what I'm getting from this particular situation.

709
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,559
He truly seems to be convinced that this is real.

710
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,440
There's no convincing him otherwise.

711
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that does make sense because when you were talking,

712
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,159
even before you even mentioned the Cole thing, I started

713
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,280
thinking about not long ago, I watched the documentary on

714
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,840
Netflix about David Krash, the whole Waco thing. There were

715
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,559
people in there that were former attorneys, smart people that

716
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,280
were so convinced by this guy that they gave up

717
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,000
everything to come and live with them.

718
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: So I get it.

719
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 4: But to d you see Dwyane as this kind of

720
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,760
evil genius.

721
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 5: Fuck No, when you put it that way, He's not

722
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,800
an evil genius. Yes, that's not him. But you don't

723
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,320
have to be a genius to do these things. It

724
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,199
goes back to the Todd's standing thing people used to

725
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,440
say and still do. I don't think Todd has the

726
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,159
skills to make them creatures that we see in the videos.

727
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,519
He ain't no makeup artist. You don't have to be

728
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,960
a fucking makeup artist to get something one time. Yeah,

729
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,079
Todd's not an idiot. He's a pretty intelligent guy. He's

730
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,039
got a fairly high IQ. It doesn't take a lot.

731
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,960
You just have to have a purpose and focus on

732
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,639
that and you're gonna make it happen. That's exactly what

733
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,679
Dwayne's done. I think Dwayne sees Mike as his playtoy.

734
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: I really do.

735
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,639
Speaker 5: I think he enjoys he gets off for whatever reason.

736
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,000
He gets off on fooling this dude and making fun

737
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,440
of He's admitted the hoax. I even said to Mike

738
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000
and some of the messages going back and forth when

739
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,679
he was talking about insulting his intelligence, I said, dude,

740
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,639
there's videos of Dwayne admitting.

741
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:56,679
Speaker 2: That he hoaxed you.

742
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,559
Speaker 5: Your explanation for that is, Oh, he only said that

743
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,760
because he was protecting his family from the people who

744
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:02,719
were threatening him.

745
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? Dude?

746
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 5: It is baffling to me that right there. If that

747
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,159
in a nutshell doesn't show you he had the opportunity there, Mike,

748
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480
had he truly been a part of this. I think

749
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,400
he's smart enough to know. Okay, the gigs up here,

750
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,320
Dwayne has admitted this shit. There's no unringing that bell.

751
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,719
I've got to come clean and say, look, folks, I'm

752
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,519
right here with you. I was duped by this dude.

753
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,960
He's done this to me for ten years, and I

754
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,280
wanted to believe so badly. He prayed on that. I

755
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,440
am so sorry that I've fallen for this, But let's

756
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,440
move forward. There's other things going on. I'm having other experiences.

757
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:41,760
Let's just pivot and go somewhere else. He could have

758
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,119
done that years ago when this first came out. He

759
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:50,079
chose not to because he truly believes everything he says.

760
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: He wants it to be real.

761
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: He wants it to be real so bad.

762
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,599
Speaker 5: It's just like the people that you argue with that

763
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,159
sends you these paradolia pictures and say I'm sorry as

764
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,519
nicely as you can, I'm sorry. I don't see what

765
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,519
what do you mean You don't see the big foots.

766
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,840
Clearly there's a kid, there's two of them. You see

767
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960
the teeth, you see the eyes. There's no other motivation

768
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:15,760
other than the fact of their hardcore, deep in their DNA,

769
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:20,480
their molecular makeup believes that there is a bigfoot in

770
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,280
that picture, and there's no convincing them otherwise. I think

771
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,159
that Mike has the same thing going on. It just

772
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,639
goes beyond the paradolia. It goes into flying marbles, materializing

773
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,639
and vocalizations inside and them taking gifts. I tried, but

774
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:38,599
there's no arguing with him. I could have told him

775
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:42,159
five thousand things that would have been plausible that Dwayne

776
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,840
is there for all of us. He has the motive

777
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,199
and opportunity to do these things. If we were investigating

778
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,079
a criminal case and Mike was the victim of a

779
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,239
murder and we're trying to figure out if Dwayne killed

780
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,000
his ass or not, it's like going to the husband

781
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:01,599
first if the wife comes up missing. Scott Peterson killed

782
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,800
his wife and through her overboard, you look at the

783
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,719
person closest to you when something like that happens. If

784
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,159
we were out in the woods and bigfootshit was happening

785
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,039
around us all the time, I would be watching your ass.

786
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,199
Is he throwing rocks? Is he hitting tree knocks? Is

787
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,360
he making vocalizations? It's just the thing to do if

788
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,519
you're smart. But he will never do that because he

789
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:29,679
truly believes that these inner dimensional, invisible sasquatches are taking

790
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,440
fucking selfies on his sofa and talking to him in

791
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,400
his sleep. There's no convincing him otherwise. When I did

792
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,920
the post, I was apprehensive at first to put out

793
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,199
the personal attack stuff because I don't want to be

794
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,840
the main character here. I don't give a shit what

795
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,800
Mike says about me. I have been in this lifetime

796
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,320
way too fucking long and my skin is way too

797
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,719
thick to give a shit about some gay slurs. I

798
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,599
could give a fuck less. I just wanted to show

799
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:56,719
people his character.

800
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

801
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: If someone puts that kind of stuff out there and

802
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,239
that is the first thing that they go to, is

803
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,280
a personal attack about someone's sexuality, that is a problem

804
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,280
for me because it shows a pattern of your character.

805
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,719
Does that mean that he's more likely to be complicit

806
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,119
in this or just simply to continue to defend his

807
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:22,400
friend Dwayne against all attackers. I think it does. So

808
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,440
I put that out there to show what his true

809
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:27,039
character was. And of course people were pissed off about it.

810
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,800
They were upset about it. People don't like homophobia whatever.

811
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,480
I get it, it's cool, but I did it to

812
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,920
show his character. Eventually, after doubling down on it initially,

813
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:38,760
he's come back and apologized.

814
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,079
Speaker 4: That was the definition of a backhanded apology right there.

815
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, but you made me do this. Yeah,

816
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,639
I'm sorry I punched you in the face, but you

817
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,199
made me do it. It was your fault, your face

818
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,280
hit my fist. Sorry, not sorry. It wasn't about being

819
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,840
a victim, because he even accused me of that. I

820
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,679
don't think I read that out loud, but he said,

821
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,800
you seem like the one who's going to play victim here,

822
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,639
so post everything, I say, I don't really give a

823
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,599
shit because you're just going to play little victim.

824
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,159
Speaker 2: But I didn't do that to be the main character.

825
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: I did it because I wanted people to see what

826
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,760
his character truly was. And I think that is a

827
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,079
reflection of Mike because if that's the first thing you

828
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:14,719
go to, I don't care what you say, pissed off

829
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400
or not the first thing that comes out of your mouth.

830
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,239
Is like when people get drunk and they say things

831
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,360
that they say they don't mean when they're drunk. No,

832
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,280
you always say what you mean when you're drunk. It's

833
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,960
the same thing when you're pissed off, you say what

834
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,639
you truly mean. Sometimes it's hurt. I just wanted it

835
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:31,480
to be put out there because I feel like at

836
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,239
this point people really don't seem to care about evidence anymore.

837
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,559
They don't care about a smoking gun and a hoax.

838
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,440
But I'm going to keep screaming it to the rafters.

839
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,159
I think it's important for people to see the truth

840
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,039
behind this, and I'm going to keep doing my part.

841
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,360
I actually got a text message from Steve Coles, the

842
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Squatch Detective this morning. Steve said he's going to do

843
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,679
a live show tonight at nine pm Eastern and asked

844
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,559
me to come on and talk about the mask situation

845
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,440
with Mike Patterson, and I told him if it'd send

846
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,800
me a link, I would join him and his co

847
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,599
host over on The Squatch Detective Live on YouTube tonight.

848
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,480
So if you guys are interested in that, obviously it's

849
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,199
already happened, so you can go over and check out

850
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,440
the Squatch Detective YouTube. I may eventually put out the

851
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,599
audio over on Sasquatch Odyssey from that discussion, depending on

852
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:15,480
where we go with it. It comes back to this,

853
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,920
despite all the other shit, the personal attacks and things

854
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,960
like that, it boils down to me. I think it's

855
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,400
important to I don't think celebrate is the word, but

856
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:27,960
at least put it out there when there is something

857
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,679
like this that's a smoking gun that proves that something

858
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,239
is fake. It is very important to me to put

859
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,320
that out there for people to see, because if we

860
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,280
change the mind of five or ten people, I think

861
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,199
we're doing our part here. I'm not the Bigfoot Police,

862
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,960
you're not the Bigfoot police. But I think that's why

863
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,360
this show and shows like it are important, because it

864
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,360
just becomes an afterthought for people. They're just like, oh,

865
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,199
that's a proven hoax. He's been proven. Well no, really,

866
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,199
until this very moment, nothing was ever proven. We all

867
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,519
thought it. It's a general consensus, right, but proof is

868
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:04,360
something different.

869
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 7: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

870
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,920
be right back after these messages.

871
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 5: Finding an exact copy of a mask that is a

872
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,559
one hundred percent match to this purported bigfoot photograph that

873
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,480
he and Dwayne put out as real is important in

874
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,719
my opinion. Does that make sense to you?

875
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: My question to you, Brian, say, you get the mask,

876
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,360
you do a successful recreation and it is even more

877
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,559
spot on than we already see it as. How many

878
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,559
people you think it will convent? How many followers do

879
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:46,480
you think he will lose?

880
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:47,639
Speaker 2: None?

881
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 5: I really don't think it's gonna matter. It's only going

882
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,400
to matter to me and the few people who listen

883
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,079
to this show who truly care about that stuff. Everybody else,

884
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:58,719
this is going to be an episode they listen to

885
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,719
and they'll move on to the next thing. It's just

886
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,039
not important to them. And I don't understand why. If

887
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:10,119
you care about this subject in any capacity, I don't

888
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:11,880
understand why it's not more important.

889
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 4: I don't either. If every influencer would come together, if

890
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,559
you got this done, if everyone would come together and

891
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:26,000
collectively blast this, maybe it would make a different But

892
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,440
I just don't see it. One or two shows talking

893
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,239
about it, he may lose a few, but it's not

894
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,239
going to be enough to matter.

895
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a.

896
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 5: Few people that were in the comments on Facebook and

897
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,760
other places where I had posted this whether it be

898
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,280
and our big Foot Encounters and Field Research group on Facebook.

899
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,599
On my personal Facebook that were responding to this, there

900
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,039
were a few saying, oh my god, I've always believed

901
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,199
what he said, but this is horrible. I can't believe

902
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:51,960
he would say that to you unfollowed or something like that.

903
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,039
So there may be a few, but by and large,

904
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,519
these people don't care because it's their entertainment. I guess

905
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,679
that's what it boils down to. But it's like I've

906
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,679
said before, you see this cancel culture. It was a

907
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,480
thing over the last few years, I'd say, going back

908
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,440
about five years, there's been this resurgence or this influx

909
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,840
of the cancel culture where somebody will dig up a

910
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,800
video of somebody in blackface and college at a college

911
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,280
campus party and they get canceled, or they say something

912
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,559
derogatory about a woman in a joke fourteen years ago,

913
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,239
they get canceled. I don't believe in the cancel culture.

914
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,800
I really don't. I think that people have the ability

915
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,840
to say what they want to say. I think us

916
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,360
as consumers should be able to make informed decisions to

917
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,719
say I'm not going to buy a product from that person.

918
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
I'm not going to watch that person's videos. I'm not

919
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,920
going to support that person on Patreon or support them

920
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,960
on Apple podcast subscriptions, or whatever the case may be.

921
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:57,320
I don't believe in rallying against canceling people. But if

922
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,400
you're lying to people, if you are perpetrated reading a

923
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,280
lie and saying it's something else, I believe that information

924
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,320
is important, and I believe that there should be a

925
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,280
conduit like this show to put that out there for

926
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,000
people to make informed decisions. I wouldn't follow a person

927
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,559
like Mike after seeing that he's a hoaxer number one,

928
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,719
or he's alleging that this is a true Sasquatch and

929
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,599
it's a mask, or the fact that he feels that

930
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:28,519
way about gay people, or black people, or Indian people

931
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,440
or Muslim people, whatever. I don't care insert whatever. I

932
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,679
just don't feel like I'm going to buy a product

933
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:39,119
from that person or engage in their material or their content.

934
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,079
But there doesn't seem to be this care anymore of

935
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,800
people's character. It's very similar. I saw it this morning

936
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,519
before I hopped on here. One of our listeners on

937
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,119
Facebook had posted something about a missing for one one case,

938
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,400
and he was talking about new information and a book

939
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,320
coming out, and this guy, he's basically souping up his

940
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,559
encounter and he's selling his experien I guess it's been

941
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:06,159
covered by David Polaiitis on Missing four one one, and

942
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,039
I just simply commented and said, are you aware of

943
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,320
his shady past? Do you know that when he quote

944
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,719
retired from law enforcement, that he was arrested in charge

945
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,840
with fraud? Does that matter? Does it change any of

946
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,280
the stories? Does it change what you believe as far

947
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,559
as what he says? Maybe not does to me because

948
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I look at a person's character. If you're going to

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purport that you were in law enforcement and that you

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were a cop for these years and you did all

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these great things, do you think people should know that

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you retired under duress, were you fired, you were certainly

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arrested and charged and sentenced. Just little things like that.

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But does it matter to people? Nobody knows that history,

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nobody cares. It's entertainment.

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Speaker 2: It is what it is.

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Speaker 5: I think the mystery has been solved. Like it was

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a mystery that Sasquatch Ontario and all their bullshit was

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a hoax to start with. I think we've proven that

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once and for all with this mask discovery. So kudos

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to the dude on Reddit. Thank you so much for

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doing the digging. I am so glad you found it.

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I'm so glad that you put the link to the

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actual mask in there that I've been able to reach

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out to them and I'm going to own it soon.

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And thank everybody for listening, and thank everybody for paying attention.

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That does pay attention. We know that you guys are

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out there. We know it's important to a lot of you.

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That's why we do what we do, not just for ourselves,

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but for you guys, to put that information out there

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and let it be known. But as always Wayne, no

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matter what it is, you get the last word on

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the show.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys, again, thanks so much for all of

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the continued support, both me personally and us as a show.

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Thank you so much. Please continue to rate and review.

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Get those emails in, those voicemails in. We do love

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getting those. Until we talk to y'all again, y'all take

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care of yourselves, take care of each other.

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Speaker 3: Bye. No