Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Goo A Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. It
Speaker 1: is Saturday, May thirtieth. It is one oh seven am,
Speaker 1: nice and late here in Las Vegas. I gotta say
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Speaker 1: the first week of the twenty twenty six World Series
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Speaker 1: big reveal that happened today for the new w SP
Speaker 1: Grand Arena. Also got a couple of guests coming up
Speaker 1: at some point in the show. We got Daniel Gebbo,
Speaker 1: winner of the five K. We spoke with him earlier
Speaker 1: in the day, so we'll put that into the podcast.
Speaker 1: I also got a nice, long one sit down with
Speaker 1: Nick Palmer, you know, a fun, colorful personality in the
Speaker 1: poker world. Somewhat polarizing out there as well, but we
Speaker 1: had a good sit down almost thirty minutes with good
Speaker 1: old Nikki p So stay tuned for that as well.
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Speaker 1: want to just mention the big reveal that happens inside
Speaker 1: the Paris Ballroom. The curtain was dropped. You had CEO
Speaker 1: of the WASIP, Ty Stewart was up there. You had
Speaker 1: Jeff Platt, the MC of the WASIP up there. President
Speaker 1: of Poker Go Escandani was up there as well. Justin Garone,
Speaker 1: who is the president for Blueprint fifty two, he was
Speaker 1: up there as well. Blueprint fifty two is the casino
Speaker 1: and Studio Furnishing's arm of PokerGO that built this monstrosity
Speaker 1: of a set that spans like it's basically the size
Speaker 1: of a football field. And I'm not joking that the
Speaker 1: room that it's in, it goes wall to wall on
Speaker 1: each side. The room is two hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 1: feet wide. You know, obviously there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: buffer on each side, so let's call it two hundred
Speaker 1: feet long. I mean, I know it's not completely a
Speaker 1: football field, but it's pretty damn closed. It's got five
Speaker 1: feature tables, It's got a cluster of twelve tables in
Speaker 1: the middle of those five feature tables are kind of
Speaker 1: shaped like a horseshoe type of shape. They are all
Speaker 1: rfid'd out. They got all the cameras, all the bells
Speaker 1: and whistles. I believe I heard justin say there's a
Speaker 1: million and a half feet of LED tape. I mean
Speaker 1: there's LED from as far on the left as you
Speaker 1: can see to all the way over on the right.
Speaker 1: It all wraps around smooth curves that go around, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't really it's not hard edges or corners. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really look like anything starts or stops. It's very
Speaker 1: kind of free flowing throughout there. It's got two levels
Speaker 1: to it. There's the floor level that you know, ropes
Speaker 1: around where all the feature tables are, so you can
Speaker 1: stand there. But if you want a higher vantage point,
Speaker 1: there is a little balcony that goes around as well.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty darn awesome. Oh and then of course,
Speaker 1: you know, right in front of the cluster of twelve tables,
Speaker 1: there is the the WSP pregame show set that's its
Speaker 1: own little kind of mini stage up there. So I mean,
Speaker 1: this thing is awesome. If you got to check it
Speaker 1: out down there, it's incredible. If you haven't, in your coming,
Speaker 1: I hope you really like it. Hopefully I didn't over
Speaker 1: sell it, but the thing is damn awesome. I am
Speaker 1: not easily impressed by a lot of this stuff. I
Speaker 1: am a hard critic, but this thing absolutely blew me
Speaker 1: up when I saw it in person. I am happy
Speaker 1: now that everyone gets to see it, and it also
Speaker 1: makes me feel like the twenty twenty six World Series
Speaker 1: of Poker is finally one hundred percent alive. The heart
Speaker 1: is beating, the heart is racing as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: and we are ready to freaking go. First thing I
Speaker 1: want to get into today Daniel Gebba's redemption in the
Speaker 1: five k nolam at hold Him. I told you guys
Speaker 1: on the last show that Daniel Gebba is the type
Speaker 1: of player that when he gets hot, big things can happen,
Speaker 1: and Geba did just that. He topped a field of
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy entries to win half a million
Speaker 1: dollars five hundred and two thousand dollars in his pocket
Speaker 1: largest career score by a lot, his first Gabisop Gold
Speaker 1: brace and when I mentioned the redemption, that is because
Speaker 1: two years ago Geba got six in this very event
Speaker 1: for one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. He is a
Speaker 1: member of the chip Leader Coach and Crew. Chance Corneth
Speaker 1: the head of chip Leader Coaching. He was on the
Speaker 1: rail for the entire final table, sweating Gebba. Fox enjoined
Speaker 1: later on. Foxen was busy playing in the twenty five
Speaker 1: K Heads Up Championship, but then both Cornith and Foxen
Speaker 1: jumped into the Winter photo flanking Gebba as he celebrated
Speaker 1: there and posed with his first Dobasopy gold bracelet. It
Speaker 1: was a pleasure to talk with Daniel Gebba afterwards. We
Speaker 1: joked on our way from from the final table over
Speaker 1: to the interview area where we were going to set
Speaker 1: up with him. You know that just I had played
Speaker 1: with him over the years, you know I had obviously
Speaker 1: commentated on some of his stuff, and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, thanks for thanks for keeping up the image
Speaker 1: telling people how much of a wild man am. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you are kind of wild man. That's
Speaker 1: kind of how you play. I mean when we played
Speaker 1: together I saw some hands and I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's out there. Got to adjust my strategy. But
Speaker 1: you know, as we talked about, he's somebody who he
Speaker 1: plays a certain style because he loves it and that's
Speaker 1: the way that he believes the game should be played.
Speaker 1: So really really cool to hear from Daniel Gebba. But
Speaker 1: let's get into that right now. Two years ago this
Speaker 1: very event, you had a deep run sixth place, one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. You feel a sense of
Speaker 1: redemption now that you were back on that stage and
Speaker 1: you were able to close it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I actually didn't think about that, but it's, uh,
Speaker 3: the player I was then versus the player I am
Speaker 3: now is you know, wildly, wildly different. It was quite
Speaker 3: insane circumstances. But back then I think I just started
Speaker 3: working with the chipular coaching the chance, so then you're
Speaker 3: just making the final table. Back then it was just insane.
Speaker 3: Every page jump was like life changing like so, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Harh.
Speaker 3: You came back and you know, won the same event.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 1: Your playing style is an exciting one, aggressive, fearless. You're
Speaker 1: certainly someone who you know you're you're not going to
Speaker 1: ever hold back, right, You're always going to go for it.
Speaker 1: Why does that approach fit you?
Speaker 2: I think the approach.
Speaker 3: Is the right way to play, honestly. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think the poker is very dynamic and the human psychology
Speaker 3: aspect of it, the fact that you're playing against humans
Speaker 3: is extremely relevant. So knowing how to adjust against the
Speaker 3: ever changing circumstances that I at a poker table is
Speaker 3: very important. So, you know, sometimes you got to put
Speaker 3: them in tough spot.
Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and three, I did a little
Speaker 1: bit of digging. You responded to a post on social
Speaker 1: media from chip Leader Coaching, and you said, the moment
Speaker 1: you start second guessing yourself, it's over rule number one
Speaker 1: in poker, do not hesitate. You know that philosophy seems
Speaker 1: to really perfectly match your play. Why is that mindset
Speaker 1: important to you to not hesitate, to always kind of
Speaker 1: trust yourself and go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's extremely important. I think that's one
Speaker 3: of the things that you know. I think Alex Foxon
Speaker 3: is the best in the world at probably the best
Speaker 3: at or as in terms of performing and going with
Speaker 3: the with your instinct not second guessing yourself, not overthinking
Speaker 3: in a game where which requires a lot of thinking.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, and it's incomplete information. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's having the confidence in your abilities and trusting your
Speaker 3: intuition is something that you can't learn. You have to train,
Speaker 3: you have to be out here, you have to grind,
Speaker 3: no other substitute for that.
Speaker 1: There's always kind of an inflection point in a tournament,
Speaker 1: you know, when when you start to kind of think, okay,
Speaker 1: like maybe this is the one, maybe it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You know, it's starting to all come and work in
Speaker 1: my favor. Was there kind of a moment in this
Speaker 1: tournament when you thought, okay, like it's getting real, I
Speaker 1: have a lot of chips, like I'm making a run,
Speaker 1: I'm this far away, Like, you know, when does that
Speaker 1: start to happen for you?
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, I almost didn't play this tournament.
Speaker 3: So I've played the first bullet, I busted one hand
Speaker 3: off bagging and then the next day. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: very close in terms of of maxing, but I'm glad
Speaker 3: I did so that worked out As far as understanding
Speaker 3: or you know, having that feeling, I think it was.
Speaker 3: This tournament went by pretty fast. There wasn't that many players.
Speaker 3: I think Day two was fairly smooth for me, and
Speaker 3: I think when I had the chip lead is kind
Speaker 3: of when it became real. I think like final two
Speaker 3: tables is when I started chipping up, and that's when
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, here we are. Let's let's make
Speaker 3: sure we don't mess this up. Let's let's not mess
Speaker 3: this up this time. Let's let's close it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been around this game for for you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a long time now, and you've been knocking
Speaker 1: at the door several times. What does this victory mean
Speaker 1: to you at this stage of your career, of your journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it means this victory is it's literally a dream
Speaker 3: come true. I said that earlier. You know, I've been
Speaker 3: playing for almost six years now, and the the process
Speaker 3: that you have to go through, most people would refuse
Speaker 3: if they actually realized what it would be, right, So
Speaker 3: I kind of got lucky that I've managed to get
Speaker 3: through it because it's extremely brutal. The swings are brutal,
Speaker 3: the mental game, aspect, performance strategy, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: that goes into it that you finally overcome you know,
Speaker 3: the different plateaus you go through, right, you know, so
Speaker 3: being able to get to this point means means a lot,
Speaker 3: it means, it means everything. Yeah, it wasn't all a waste,
Speaker 3: if you will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, poker journeys are never easy. As you just mentioned
Speaker 1: along the way, any people who you would say, are
Speaker 1: you know were the most influential to you to help
Speaker 1: you along that journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously the chips are coaching Chance and
Speaker 3: fox and Chance literally changed my life. I was just
Speaker 3: a young kid who you took a chance on me.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad to repay that, repay the trust, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, I'll always be grateful for that. And then
Speaker 3: you know, Alex Foxon is I think the best poker player,
Speaker 3: tormo poker player in history, so getting to learn from
Speaker 3: him is invaluable. And yeah, so it's been that's as
Speaker 3: far as the strategy said. Yeah, that's those two have
Speaker 3: been pretty pretty massive in my.
Speaker 1: J We're not even through the first week yet, You've
Speaker 1: already got a bracelet, You've.
Speaker 4: Got five hunderd K in your pocket.
Speaker 1: Do you view it as okay? The summer is a
Speaker 1: success or are you like okay, I'm hungry for more.
Speaker 3: I have to control myself. Here the HURK looking at
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the hunter Ka. It looks looks looks interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, no, I do have to you know, bankle
Speaker 3: management has never been my expertise or something that I
Speaker 3: have excelled at, so I have to be careful kind
Speaker 3: of you know, now blast off five bullets in the
Speaker 3: twenty five k. So yeah, it's but I'm gonna play.
Speaker 3: I would like to play. I'm probably not gonna do
Speaker 3: a full summer grind, but uh, you know, I'll play
Speaker 3: some of the bigger stuff and then obviously excited for
Speaker 3: the main event that's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1: And then last question here, when you look back on
Speaker 1: this tournament, this win years from now, let's say, five, ten,
Speaker 1: fifteen years down the road, what are you gonna remember
Speaker 1: most about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the crazy thing about something like this is like
Speaker 3: it just goes by so fast that you're so like
Speaker 3: focused and you're locked in, you're not really paying attention
Speaker 3: or like being in the moment as much. I think
Speaker 3: I did a good job this time. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think at the I would say the moment I'll always
Speaker 3: remember is like right after I won, and then I
Speaker 3: had like fox with a chance standing there and I'm
Speaker 3: like holding a bracelet. It's felt pretty surreal, felt like
Speaker 3: a weird, like sim thing, like, oh, okay, that's crazy
Speaker 3: that I'm here, And yeah, it's pretty cereal.
Speaker 1: That was Daniel Gebba, a really cool cat, somebody who's
Speaker 1: been in the game for six years now. He's got
Speaker 1: his biggest career score, he's got his first bracelet. He's
Speaker 1: also one of those players you know, put him in
Speaker 1: the same sort of stylistic vein as an Alex Foxen
Speaker 1: as a Jesse lonaz As. If you want to take
Speaker 1: it a little bit more old school Vanessa Selbs like
Speaker 1: he's just gonna have the pedal to the floor, pressing
Speaker 1: on the gas. He's not going to miss an opening
Speaker 1: in terms of taking a shot there. That's just how
Speaker 1: he likes to play. That's how he wants to play.
Speaker 1: And when those types of players get hot. I said it,
Speaker 1: big things can happen. A big thing happened here. But
Speaker 1: now going forward, now the fact that he's got half
Speaker 1: a million dollar score here. Right at the start of
Speaker 1: the summer, he said, Bankroll's not his strongest trait. Bankroll
Speaker 1: management should say is not his strongest trait. Well, don't
Speaker 1: be surprised that this wouldn't be the last time that
Speaker 1: we hear or see Gebba making a deep run. And
Speaker 1: it could even be a bigger tournament. You know, if
Speaker 1: bankroll management is not his thing, maybe he's out there
Speaker 1: blast in the twenty five k a fifty k and
Speaker 1: he's just going for it. Maybe if he's got chance
Speaker 1: corner and Alex Foxon in his corner, you know, willing
Speaker 1: to help when we know how successful those guys are,
Speaker 1: so willing to help, you know, financially buy some pieces
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. I mean, this guy could do
Speaker 1: some really, really big things this summer. And again it
Speaker 1: was a pleasure to talk to Daniel Gebo. For as
Speaker 1: much as that was good news, I do have some
Speaker 1: bad news that I need to jump into. Tristan Wade's
Speaker 1: a new PLO friend Josh. He did not make the
Speaker 1: money in the five k PLO. So I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: break it to everyone there, but I'm gonna guess that
Speaker 1: it's not the last time we hear about Tristan and
Speaker 1: Josh's friendship. I will try and check in with Tristan
Speaker 1: throughout the summer see if anything else has happened between
Speaker 1: the two. But they obviously exchange numbers. They had a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of fun chatting together. I was
Speaker 1: right there for that whole interaction, So so that was
Speaker 1: very cool and hopefully, you know, we get some more
Speaker 1: stories out of it. Josh's busted out hany and he
Speaker 1: did send it to Tristan trist and sent it to
Speaker 1: me blind verse blind on the King Queen seven deuce
Speaker 1: is when they got the money in. Josh had King
Speaker 1: seven six five for what he flocked was top and
Speaker 1: bottom pairs, so he had kings and sevens. His opponent
Speaker 1: had King ten eight deuce turned two pair, but then
Speaker 1: the river was a ten and that ten obviously sent
Speaker 1: Josh out the door short of the money over in
Speaker 1: the Mystery Mini Sorry, the Mini Mystery Millions had that backwards.
Speaker 1: Up to two hundred and twenty six entries total four
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy nine on day one d There
Speaker 1: are two more starting fights to go. Both of them
Speaker 1: are going to take place on Saturday, May thirtieth. One
Speaker 1: starts at ten am, the other one starts at six pm.
Speaker 1: Now ten thousand entries sounds like a lot and it
Speaker 1: is a lot, but.
Speaker 4: It's not in the.
Speaker 1: Top fifth ten all time yet. It's not in the
Speaker 1: top ten of course either. It needs thirteen thousand, one
Speaker 1: hundred and nine to break into that top fifteen. I'll
Speaker 1: say that's a foregone conclusion for sure. And then if
Speaker 1: it wants to get into the top ten, eighteen thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen entries is what this needs to
Speaker 1: get there. I think that's very likely to happen as well.
Speaker 1: You know, I would expect this thing to get up
Speaker 1: to twenty thousand, if not more. Now, normally you would
Speaker 1: get in the fifth starting flight, you would get a
Speaker 1: bigger number, and then in the sixth and final starting
Speaker 1: fight you would get an even bigger number. But the
Speaker 1: fact that these these two starting fights are on the
Speaker 1: same day, it might fall that, you know, one E
Speaker 1: is really big. Let's say, I mean, if if today
Speaker 1: got almost forty six hundred entries, then one E is
Speaker 1: gonna get what six seven thousand, I feel like is
Speaker 1: a ballpark number. And then you know, you'll get a
Speaker 1: lot of carryover. But because it does start from or
Speaker 1: at six pm, probably I don't know, another three thousand,
Speaker 1: four thousand or so, But that's certainly well over ten
Speaker 1: thousand between those two flights. What puts this tournament up
Speaker 1: over twenty thousand. That would get it into the top
Speaker 1: ten all time, which is pretty crazy. And someone's gonna
Speaker 1: win a boatload of money. I mean, a bunch of
Speaker 1: people are gonna win a boatload of money. But that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun to see people pull
Speaker 1: the bounties in that one for what was a five
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars buy in. Largest ever tournament does
Speaker 1: belong to the WSP In twenty nineteen, the Big Fifty
Speaker 1: generated twenty eight thousand, three hundred and seventy one entries.
Speaker 1: A couple of winners that we're going to get into.
Speaker 1: We got Jason Daily. He won event number four, the
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars Omaha High Low for his third WSOP Goldberry,
Speaker 1: so that he also scooped one hundred and ninety one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Perry Green got sixth for almost thirty one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Perry Green is ninety years old, He's got
Speaker 1: three gold berry so it's on record. I believe it
Speaker 1: was Stue Hunger's win in nineteen eighty one where Perry
Speaker 1: Green finished second. He finished second to Stue Younger. I
Speaker 1: believe it was the nineteen eighty one w SPEMIN events.
Speaker 1: Poker dot Org did some coverage of Perry Green specifically,
Speaker 1: and in one of their stories, they said that while
Speaker 1: the while an official record was unavailable, he's believed being
Speaker 1: Perry Green to be the oldest player ever to make
Speaker 1: a soop final table. So that's pretty crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: even if that's not true, Perry Green doing this at
Speaker 1: ninety years old, it is freaking just an incredible feat.
Speaker 1: So he's out there battling thirty one thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: him over in the Casino Employees event. We did get
Speaker 1: a winner. Jerome Nepple won the event for sixty four
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Nepll is a poker dealer from New Mexico.
Speaker 1: I was reading through the Poker News recap of it,
Speaker 1: and according to Poker News, it's Neple's second career live cash.
Speaker 1: Prior to this, had one cash for six hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen dollars. I think, which is wild that he's now
Speaker 1: won sixty four k and that he does plan on
Speaker 1: continuing to deal at the twenty twenty six disip this summer.
Speaker 1: Nepple also told Poker News that he's planning a move
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend to Florida and that this money is
Speaker 1: life changing and will help me get debt free. So
Speaker 1: congrats to Jason Daly on winning the Omaha High Load.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Jerome Nepple on winning the Casino Employees Event. Now,
Speaker 1: next up, I want to play for you guys a
Speaker 1: special interview that I did Tonight's or last night, excuse
Speaker 1: me with Nick Palma. Now, Nick Palma, he's one of
Speaker 1: those players who he's been a pretty popular or I
Speaker 1: should say, well known figure in poker and kind of
Speaker 1: growing more and more over the last few years. He's
Speaker 1: quickly become a talking point in the early week here,
Speaker 1: the first week here, the twenty twenty six World Series
Speaker 1: of Poker. If you've been following the stuff that's happening
Speaker 1: in the action the social media, you've probably seen his name.
Speaker 1: You know you got Day one Sean deeb is tweeting
Speaker 1: how he threatened to spit on someone they do. He's
Speaker 1: in a video with Phil Helmy with Phil Mey saying,
Speaker 1: this guy called me a pansy.
Speaker 4: So there's that.
Speaker 1: I asked Nick about both of those things. In the interview,
Speaker 1: you also got Nick himself constantly on social media, just
Speaker 1: with how with how outspoken he is, with how confident
Speaker 1: he is, his his personality, how colorful he can be.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great follow on social media just
Speaker 1: for the entertainment aspect, for the content aspect, you know.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to get to know, like, like, who
Speaker 1: this guy is, what makes him tick, you know, beyond
Speaker 1: what we just see in headlines or what we see
Speaker 1: on people posting on social media. He's had success in poker.
Speaker 1: He wanted up as Supeagle Bracelet in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't online bracelet, and you know, according to him,
Speaker 1: then we'll get into that. But it's like one of
Speaker 1: those things where yes, I have this, but I need
Speaker 1: to win a live one. I just think that Nick
Speaker 1: Palmer is one of the most fascinating personalities in poker
Speaker 1: right now. You know, whatever side of the fence you're
Speaker 1: on with him, because he can be a bit polarizing.
Speaker 1: That's just the nature of his persona, the nature of
Speaker 1: his attitude. I wanted to sit down with him. I
Speaker 1: want to learn more about who he is, what drives
Speaker 1: him why he approaches the game the way that he does,
Speaker 1: why he loves it so much. He's constantly saying, like,
Speaker 1: I love poker. No one loves it more than me.
Speaker 1: I got the biggest heart, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's a longer one, but I think it's a
Speaker 1: really good one, and here's my sit down with Nick Palmer.
Speaker 1: All right, Nick Palmer, first of all, thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on the Poker Real podcast with me. The first
Speaker 1: thing that I want to ask you about, so when
Speaker 1: you ever walk into a room, there's just a confidence
Speaker 1: about you. You see it on your social media, you
Speaker 1: exude it with your attitude, your personality at the table.
Speaker 1: Has confidence always come natural or did you have to
Speaker 1: learn that throughout your life?
Speaker 5: When when I was younger, my uncle always he gave
Speaker 5: me the best advice I ever got, and he said,
Speaker 5: do something. Whatever whatever you do, you do it one
Speaker 5: hundred percent. You don't do it at all.
Speaker 2: So everything I've ever done, I've given my I've given
Speaker 2: my all, and when you give your role, I've always
Speaker 2: had that confidence.
Speaker 5: If I was a half asset or something, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: have that confidence. But anything I've ever done, I do
Speaker 5: it one hundred percent or I just don't even bother
Speaker 5: doing it?
Speaker 4: Has that been your whole life, like since you.
Speaker 2: Was a teenager young teenager? Yeah, okay, I like it?
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I mean like also like if you're
Speaker 5: gonna do something, you better believe in yourself or why
Speaker 5: even do it?
Speaker 4: I mean that's true. I agree.
Speaker 1: Is there a line in your mind where confidence can
Speaker 1: become arrogant?
Speaker 2: Illusion?
Speaker 4: I mean delusion? Yeah, whatever, I mean, listen in your mind.
Speaker 1: Maybe not right, but some people might look at you,
Speaker 1: but this guy's ca this guy's arrogant, he's.
Speaker 4: Full of himself.
Speaker 1: But is that how you view it? Are you just
Speaker 1: like No, I'm just supremely confident in me.
Speaker 5: The truth is you have to have like a form
Speaker 5: of delusion or other things, because the truth is most
Speaker 5: people aren't gonna do what you're doing, and it takes
Speaker 5: a lot of determination and guts to make it and
Speaker 5: if it was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 1: One of the things I always see you say, I
Speaker 1: mean you even told it to me and our text
Speaker 1: messages like you love the game more than anyone. You
Speaker 1: care about it. We know how much you talk about heart.
Speaker 1: I mean, what makes you care so much?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: So The truth is, I went through a lot of
Speaker 5: hardships when I was younger and I found poker as
Speaker 5: a MIDI like a mid teenager, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen
Speaker 5: years old, and I lost a lot of my family
Speaker 5: when I was younger and I found poker and so
Speaker 5: it's just been me and poker since then. So it's
Speaker 5: Poker's my family, and the people I met in poker
Speaker 5: are my family.
Speaker 4: Is that in your mind like an escape from what
Speaker 4: that once was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's basically my safe haven.
Speaker 5: So basically, when I'm at the table, nothing else matters
Speaker 5: besides me the cards and the and the players that
Speaker 5: are around me. And it's always just been a safe
Speaker 5: haven of mine. And to be honest, when I'm away
Speaker 5: from the table, I have a little bit of a
Speaker 5: hard time because I think about, you know, things that
Speaker 5: I shouldn't be thinking about sometimes. But whenever I'm at
Speaker 5: the table, that's why I play so much. It's like
Speaker 5: my it's my getaway.
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you're a bit of a lone
Speaker 4: wolf in this game?
Speaker 2: I guess like yes and no.
Speaker 5: But the truth is, I have so many friends in
Speaker 5: the game that I've made throughout the years. But uh,
Speaker 5: I guess I have isolated myself at times because of
Speaker 5: just things I've been through. But as I'm growing up
Speaker 5: and getting older, I'm learning to open myself up more
Speaker 5: and and it's not the truth is you are and
Speaker 5: by yourself in life. I have I have people, a
Speaker 5: family that took me in that I got lucky. I
Speaker 5: have close friends of mine Brandon Hamlet and others and
Speaker 5: that are always there for me. So like it can
Speaker 5: seem like you're a lone wolf okay at times, but
Speaker 5: the truth is, you wouldn't be anywhere in life without
Speaker 5: the people around you.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't mind me asking, and what
Speaker 1: was it like growing up when you were younger and
Speaker 1: you were going through some of that adversity, Like do
Speaker 1: you care to elaborate on a little bit more and
Speaker 1: just just kind of paint the picture.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know, to be honest, Like, uh,
Speaker 5: as I was coming up, I guess I was younger,
Speaker 5: So you don't really realize that, like the severity of
Speaker 5: things until you get a little older. So it's given
Speaker 5: me hard uh you know, tough skin, but it also
Speaker 5: gives me the It gives me the resolve and like
Speaker 5: the determination to keep fighting through.
Speaker 2: No matter what.
Speaker 5: Cause a lot of people have faced hardships and it
Speaker 5: doesn't matter what happened to you. It matters what you
Speaker 5: do after that. And and I think that's the most
Speaker 5: important thing.
Speaker 1: Was there a point in life or your poker life,
Speaker 1: I should say, when when the game itself like almost
Speaker 1: broke you, or maybe you thought I can't do this,
Speaker 1: or I want to quit, or it's just too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we know variants can be a bitch
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, you know, but just
Speaker 1: going through it all, live in this life.
Speaker 5: So I messed up with money in twenty eighteen with
Speaker 5: a few people that I rectified, but that was a
Speaker 5: tough time where Like, you know, I built a lot
Speaker 5: of good relationships in poker throughout the years and people
Speaker 5: some people turn their backs on me and they wanted
Speaker 5: to kick me when I was down, and a lot
Speaker 5: of people would have just packed it up at that
Speaker 5: point and just gave up. But that's how That's when
Speaker 5: you find out who you really are and the real
Speaker 5: people around you, and you keep going and even since then,
Speaker 5: you know, you go through down swings.
Speaker 2: It happens to everyone.
Speaker 5: I'd like to say, like, I like to not compare myself,
Speaker 5: but it's like a Michael Jordan or a Derek Jeter.
Speaker 5: Derek Jeter, you know, he goes to the plate, you know,
Speaker 5: thirty forty times in a row.
Speaker 2: Even he'll have some self out and stuff, you know.
Speaker 5: But uh, the strong competitors and the strong people in life,
Speaker 5: they find the way and they keep going. And I mean,
Speaker 5: if it was easy in whatever field you were in,
Speaker 5: everyone would do it.
Speaker 2: And it's not easy.
Speaker 1: Is there any other path that you could have seen
Speaker 1: yourself ever choosing.
Speaker 4: Like a job or a career outside of poker? Is
Speaker 4: only this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I mean, well, obviously when I was younger, I wanted
Speaker 5: to be a New York Yankee, but that wasn't going
Speaker 5: to be a thing.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like a regular job, you're.
Speaker 4: Just not good enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was pretty good up until a
Speaker 2: certain age.
Speaker 5: But I mean if you're not from a place that
Speaker 5: like place full like all the way around and all
Speaker 5: this disadvantage. But if I were to work a regular job,
Speaker 5: I would have wanted to be a lawyer. That's a
Speaker 5: lot of schooling though, But uh, I've always been good.
Speaker 5: I have a gift of gab as like some people
Speaker 5: know and I could argue and uh and I'm pretty persistent,
Speaker 5: and uh yeah I would be I would have wanted
Speaker 5: to be a lawyer, but I don't want to do
Speaker 5: eight or ten years of schooling.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lawyer for sure.
Speaker 4: What a I mean kind of in the vein of school.
Speaker 1: And you know, what's been your poker study like or
Speaker 1: is it just you just playing through experience?
Speaker 4: Do you study in your off time?
Speaker 2: Like a lot of you so a lot of it
Speaker 2: is experienced.
Speaker 5: And then also I came up with some of the
Speaker 5: best players of all time. I came up with Alex Foxen,
Speaker 5: who might be literally the best player of all time.
Speaker 5: I came up with Bucky Matthew Wantman, mikey Wang I
Speaker 5: used to travel with all over Europe for two years
Speaker 5: and he's another great mind in the game. A couple
Speaker 5: of the younger online kids that are friends of mine
Speaker 5: are Julian Julian.
Speaker 2: Barnardis Brandon Hamlet.
Speaker 5: T Slaate, Tyler Hurtfield and basically just keeping good network
Speaker 5: in a good good group around me and just brainstorming
Speaker 5: talking about hands with them experience online and live and yeah,
Speaker 5: just a lot of experience and a lot of brainstorming
Speaker 5: with some of the best minds in the game, specifically
Speaker 5: like Fox and when he was coming up, Mikey Wang
Speaker 5: and now my friend's Brandon Hamlet and these other kids.
Speaker 1: Got to ask you about the heart again. You know,
Speaker 1: what does heart mean to you? In poker?
Speaker 2: Specifically, heart means.
Speaker 5: That feeling when it's the tenth tournament in a row,
Speaker 5: when you're deep and they take it away from you,
Speaker 5: and you could pack it up and give up, or
Speaker 5: you could learn from what happened and you just give
Speaker 5: your thousand percent the next time and you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna get it. It's all up to you.
Speaker 5: Like that heart is, heart is falling down and getting
Speaker 5: back up. What happens is people fall down too many
Speaker 5: times and they.
Speaker 2: Don't get back up.
Speaker 5: But if you get back up, it's all up to
Speaker 5: you and you could and you could achieve anything you
Speaker 5: know you set your mind to.
Speaker 1: My friends and I have a kind of a running
Speaker 1: joke where we we have what we call the heart rankings,
Speaker 1: and we say, you know, so and so's king of
Speaker 1: the heart rankings, or so and So's king of the
Speaker 1: heart rankings. I would say you're probably king of the
Speaker 1: heart rankings, at least from what I see you put
Speaker 1: out there, the persona that you exude. You know, you're
Speaker 1: always talking about how much you care for the game,
Speaker 1: and I think you see you at the table, like
Speaker 1: with your fight and your determination. Now what is it
Speaker 1: that's driving you behind that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: Is it the money? Is it respect? Is it just
Speaker 4: the pure competition of it all?
Speaker 5: So I've always I was really bad with money when
Speaker 5: I was younger.
Speaker 2: But this is off topic.
Speaker 4: But uh, I don't get good.
Speaker 5: I don't care about money at all. I want to
Speaker 5: do the be the best poker player ever. I want
Speaker 5: people to know me for being a hard worker and dedicated,
Speaker 5: being friendly at the tables. I want to I want
Speaker 5: to be one of the best players ever. I want
Speaker 5: to have the most final tables, the most wins. So basically,
Speaker 5: it's just respect, it's the competition. And on top of
Speaker 5: all of what I said before, it's I lost all
Speaker 5: my family when I was younger, and I want to
Speaker 5: keep my family name going. My uncle's name was the
Speaker 5: same as mine, Nicholas David Palma, and I want our
Speaker 5: name to live on forever. He's not I'm the last
Speaker 5: one left, and so I'm doing all of this to
Speaker 5: basically put on for my family and myself and try
Speaker 5: to just see how far I can go and how
Speaker 5: much I can accomplish.
Speaker 2: And I want people that have went.
Speaker 5: Through stuff in life and uh that to know that
Speaker 5: they can accomplish whatever they set their minds to if
Speaker 5: they just you know, stick to it, and if you
Speaker 5: have the hard work, if you keep good people around you,
Speaker 5: the sky's truly the limit on.
Speaker 2: And it's not just for poker, it's any field that you're.
Speaker 1: In now along that journey that you're on. You know,
Speaker 1: do you where are you at in terms of the
Speaker 1: respect earning? Are you? Have you earned it yet? Are
Speaker 1: you still earning it? Like like do you feel like
Speaker 1: it's it's there?
Speaker 5: The respect is definitely there out of a say, like
Speaker 5: out of a level, out of a level ten and
Speaker 5: a fox and is a ten. And because I relate
Speaker 5: everything to a fox it because Foxing to me is
Speaker 5: number one. There's a few other people obviously if Foxing
Speaker 5: is a ten, I'm at like a seven or a
Speaker 5: seven and a half right now, and I got a
Speaker 5: lot of work to do. But I mean to the
Speaker 5: average person, yes, I have a lot of respect but
Speaker 5: I hold myself to a very high regard, so I
Speaker 5: want to get to the ten.
Speaker 1: You want a WSOP bracelet online in twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: in October? Do you still feel like job's unfinished with
Speaker 1: a live bracelet? Like how do you look at you
Speaker 1: personally that has an online one but doesn't have a
Speaker 1: live one, But it's out here chasing it.
Speaker 2: The job is far from finished.
Speaker 5: The truth is when you're great in whatever field you're in,
Speaker 5: it's never enough, but you need that because if you
Speaker 5: didn't have that, you would just be complacent.
Speaker 2: The truth is about life.
Speaker 5: A lot of people just want to get by, have
Speaker 5: enough money to do whatever they want, and then there's
Speaker 5: another group of people who want to be the best,
Speaker 5: and those people they have a sickness, but in a
Speaker 5: good way. Like it's never enough. If I win a
Speaker 5: tournament today, it's good for a day. I gotta do
Speaker 5: it again, because the true great it's all about consistency
Speaker 5: and longevity. If you don't have those things, you're just
Speaker 5: a flash in a pan or you know, like it's cool.
Speaker 5: But the real respectable people and the real legends, they
Speaker 5: stand that tests of time, and that's what my whole goal.
Speaker 1: Is sounds like you're one of those people who might
Speaker 1: be deep into Kobe Bryant videos or Michael Jordan or
Speaker 1: you know, like those types of great I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: a sucker.
Speaker 4: For that stuff too.
Speaker 1: Write you know how often they were in the gym,
Speaker 1: how many shots they put up, all the different workouts
Speaker 1: that they did. It seems like you're that type of
Speaker 1: person as well, and you're kind of drawn to that,
Speaker 1: that chase for greatness.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 5: Also, like I'm on Instagram and a lot of my
Speaker 5: stuff just Instagram inspirational quotes and inspirational pages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what would you say to people who
Speaker 1: might think that's cheesy? I mean, listen, I love that shit. Okay,
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it drives me too, and
Speaker 1: it helps I think.
Speaker 5: I think those people don't have a big enough goals
Speaker 5: or they gave.
Speaker 2: Up on their dreams that they truly wanted to begin with.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, if you were to win a live race,
Speaker 1: So whether it's this summer, next summer, or whatever, do
Speaker 1: you think that changes for anything anything for you internally
Speaker 1: or is it just one more notch up.
Speaker 5: It'll definitely change something, but it's just one more notch up.
Speaker 5: The truth is, like I said, you need to just
Speaker 5: keep doing it over and over, like uh, the sickness
Speaker 5: is the gift and the curse, you know, like because
Speaker 5: it's never enough, so.
Speaker 2: Like when does it end?
Speaker 5: But all you could do is just as long as
Speaker 5: you're alive, just go one thousand percent and achieve as
Speaker 5: much as you can achieve, and show people what hard
Speaker 5: work rings and h and just have good energy about
Speaker 5: you and and and just yeah, just be a good person.
Speaker 1: Basically, You've had a couple of moments over your career,
Speaker 1: but two more recently that I got to ask you about.
Speaker 1: You got Sean Deep's out there on social media saying
Speaker 1: that you threaten to spit on someone you know. You
Speaker 1: got Phil Helmi posted a video where like this guy
Speaker 1: called me a pansy.
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, it was me.
Speaker 2: It was me.
Speaker 4: It was right next to me. And what's what's going on?
Speaker 1: What's in your mind there trying to get in people's
Speaker 1: heads or are you really.
Speaker 5: No, No, no, I'll be real, I don't care, So
Speaker 5: I'm never I'm never just randomly telling like the nice
Speaker 5: guy Joe the plumber, I'm gonna spit in his face
Speaker 5: or aunt Betty, like, Hey, aunt, Betty, I'm gonna spit
Speaker 5: in your face if I say like. And by the way,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you exactly what happened. This guy was being
Speaker 5: a really a real, I don't know, a real piece
Speaker 5: of shit.
Speaker 4: You can say whatever you want. The guy was there.
Speaker 5: The guy was being a real piece of shit, and
Speaker 5: he says a couple of things that I would never
Speaker 5: say to anyone. And so I just said bluntly, if
Speaker 5: we weren't in here, I'd spit in your face if
Speaker 5: we weren't in this casino, because I'm a I'm.
Speaker 2: A top professional, so I'm never gonna get in trouble
Speaker 2: on any properties.
Speaker 5: Basically along the lines of yeah, like like, I don't
Speaker 5: I don't tolerate anyone talking to me the way you're
Speaker 5: talking to me. But I'm at work now, essentially, But uh,
Speaker 5: that's not any and I still shouldn't be doing that anyway.
Speaker 5: I should still be a little bit big of a
Speaker 5: person because I'm man enough to admit that. But it's
Speaker 5: he was in the point point one percent of people
Speaker 5: that I would talk to like that. But it's still
Speaker 5: I'm thirty six years old, so I should do you
Speaker 5: a little better. But the guy was fifty five and
Speaker 5: he hasn't learned yet. So like sometimes I like to
Speaker 5: teach a little bit of a lesson and then I
Speaker 5: and then I was like, you know, being a dick
Speaker 5: to him a little bit, but like the right way
Speaker 5: like after that, like you know how to talk shit
Speaker 5: get under people's skin at that point, because then it's
Speaker 5: easy with those people.
Speaker 4: Well, let me let me just rewind once, like where'd
Speaker 4: you grow up?
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Bronx.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, So I mean I get it.
Speaker 1: You know, like your city life, you've got hard skin,
Speaker 1: like you know, you know how, you know how to
Speaker 1: dish it out, but you also know how to take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to take it.
Speaker 4: So so I understand what happened with Phil.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll be honest, Like even though Phil came up
Speaker 5: to me and like we shook hands in a pot,
Speaker 5: like whatever, my thoughts on Phil is I think he's
Speaker 5: the worst.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be honest.
Speaker 5: I think he's an amazing poker player, or was an
Speaker 5: amazing poker player and a poker legend. The games passed
Speaker 5: him by immensely. That's my thoughts. And I think every
Speaker 5: other top players thoughts, but he is an all time
Speaker 5: legend and he is sixty years old, so like how
Speaker 5: long are you going to be able to be able
Speaker 5: to stay sharp as well? So like I'm not you know,
Speaker 5: it is what it is. He's six years old, it's
Speaker 5: a new climate. The kids are all very hard workers.
Speaker 5: It's hard to keep up with them. So I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna bash him on that sense. But uh, he's just
Speaker 5: he's he's just the worst. In my opinion, He's a
Speaker 5: walking infomercial. He was wearing a hat one time for
Speaker 5: a year where like they rug pulled the people on
Speaker 5: day one and he was definitely wearing the hat because
Speaker 5: he was contract contractually obligated to keep.
Speaker 2: Wearing the hat.
Speaker 5: The company legitimately stole the people's money. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is just this is just a fact. He's a walking infomercial.
Speaker 5: He's just unbearable, to be honest, And I'm and I'm
Speaker 5: I think I'm speaking for about seventy five percent of
Speaker 5: the top professionals. I think they think the same as me,
Speaker 5: and I think it might be higher than that.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to be nice about it.
Speaker 4: But it sounds like the words you shook hands and
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: That's because he came up to me on camera and
Speaker 5: I don't want to, like, I.
Speaker 2: Know he's gonna post it.
Speaker 5: And and I just I don't want to be an
Speaker 5: asshole just to be an asshole. So like I don't
Speaker 5: mind berating him, like when it's just me and him,
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't want to be too much,
Speaker 5: too too brash. You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 5: But uh, I think he stinks. And I told him.
Speaker 5: I told him as he tweeted about it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you were in the video saying that, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, I said that. I said that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I stand on anything I do and say
Speaker 5: at all times. And I also will admit if I'm
Speaker 5: wrong in my eyes or I'm man enough to I'm
Speaker 5: not like Trump where like if I think I'm wrong,
Speaker 5: I'll say it. I've apologized to people. Yeah, And I
Speaker 5: also didn't say anything that's too crazy. I called him
Speaker 5: a pansy, and I think I said he stinks. I
Speaker 5: didn't talk about his family or anything, you know, like
Speaker 5: so then I would have apologized seriously, but like, you know, whatever,
Speaker 5: I called him a pansy whatever, it's for shits and
Speaker 5: gig really like it's nothing serious. I don't I don't
Speaker 5: want anything bad to happen to him or anything. I
Speaker 5: think he's a legend, and I just he's just not
Speaker 5: my cup of.
Speaker 1: Tea now this summer. I know we're only whatever less
Speaker 1: than a weekend. I mean, how are things going for you?
Speaker 1: Are you just right back in the groove? Are you
Speaker 1: feeling like it's gonna be a big summer?
Speaker 2: I just want to continue on the last thing about Phil.
Speaker 2: This is also something like that, like some of these
Speaker 2: big names they just got away with.
Speaker 5: He was involved in the ub scandal with Russ Hamilton
Speaker 5: and he just got a complete pass.
Speaker 2: I mean that's that.
Speaker 4: I don't really know how much he was involved.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 5: I don't think he was involved in the cheating, but
Speaker 5: he knew stuff was going on and he just didn't
Speaker 5: do anything about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I think it's safe to say
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people out there that
Speaker 1: might feel the same way you feel about that, which
Speaker 1: is understandable because in those moments you might want an
Speaker 1: ambassador like that to say the right thing or do
Speaker 1: the right thing or not, because sometimes silence can condone
Speaker 1: what something's being done right, and that that's kind of
Speaker 1: the issue that I think.
Speaker 5: Basically, like I'm not trying to be that harsh, but
Speaker 5: it's really it's really just being a sellout. It's like
Speaker 5: just taking a paycheck, turning a blind eye and or
Speaker 5: not doing anything about it and then like just washing
Speaker 5: your hands with the situation when it was over.
Speaker 2: But like he's definitely culpable of something in this in that.
Speaker 1: Situation, do you think that your stance or your attitude
Speaker 1: and maybe how some people perceive you might limit you
Speaker 1: possibly getting deals if they're like, hm, do we really
Speaker 1: want to sponsor this guy, give him money, make him
Speaker 1: an ambassador if we know he's gonna speak his mind
Speaker 1: because we might not be able to control that. Not
Speaker 1: not that you're going out there going crazy, but.
Speaker 2: Okay, I definitely think that's the case for sure.
Speaker 5: But also this is poker, and and like it's not
Speaker 5: like we have Disney behind us where we were like
Speaker 5: when we're you know, and we have to like like
Speaker 5: why can't people give real opinions. I don't say, like
Speaker 5: don't be don't be racist, or don't be sexist, don't
Speaker 5: be these things, but why can't you have your opinion
Speaker 5: on like real topics and like give your That's why
Speaker 5: a lot of people like me and dislike me. I
Speaker 5: would say a good amount of people more a lot
Speaker 5: more people like me than dislike me. But it's because
Speaker 5: I give you my real thoughts. But those are my
Speaker 5: own thoughts. That doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. It's
Speaker 5: up to the person to gauge however they feel about it.
Speaker 5: But uh, but yeah, if I was signed to, like
Speaker 5: a more serious contract, I would tone myself down in
Speaker 5: certain situations. I would know what topics to broach and
Speaker 5: which ones not to. But I would still have my opinions,
Speaker 5: but I would tone them. Like if I got signed
Speaker 5: by like WSOP and they have ESPN behind them, then
Speaker 5: I would know to tone it down a little bit
Speaker 5: and what topics to touch and what topics not to touch.
Speaker 2: But until the.
Speaker 1: Flip side of that, though, some people might say that
Speaker 1: it's fake, Well not necessarily that, But if the right
Speaker 1: company were to approach you, right, they might want the
Speaker 1: full Nick Palmer experience because that is what is gonna
Speaker 1: get eyeballs, that's what's gonna get clicks. That's why people
Speaker 1: follow this guy, right, So it might be maybe if
Speaker 1: you then did that and kind of tone yourself down,
Speaker 1: maybe then you're shooting your stuff.
Speaker 4: On the foot. So it's just interesting to think about.
Speaker 5: You know, well, well this hasn't happened yet because I've
Speaker 5: always given my full opinions about stuff, so i haven't
Speaker 5: held back clearly. But uh, even now, I'm I don't
Speaker 5: know if I I'm with coin poker now, I don't
Speaker 5: know if you're gonna put this in, but uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean they let me say whatever I want.
Speaker 2: They know it's clicks.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not like, I'm not like bashing people
Speaker 5: on like a hatred level. I'm just giving my normal opinions.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure they like that actually because it gives
Speaker 5: more eyeballs and stuff. But uh yeah, I'm not trying
Speaker 5: to be a bad I'm never trying contrary to what
Speaker 5: like a small percentage of people thinking, I'm never trying
Speaker 5: to be a bad guy or anything. I'm just giving
Speaker 5: my own thoughts. And you could whether you could like
Speaker 5: me or not like me, and but you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: The real me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, on the summer, how's it going, I'm three.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's gonna be a big summer
Speaker 1: for you. I almost feel like it is.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just have this weird feeling You're gonna like this
Speaker 1: is like the summer of Nick Palmer for summers.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna have the sickest summer in WSLP history.
Speaker 4: And what is that? Four bracelets?
Speaker 2: Like what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's gonna I thowt you wrote an article you said
Speaker 1: you're gonna win three.
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, It's gonna be really tough because much
Speaker 5: respect to the Grinder, who's an all time legend and gambler,
Speaker 5: he won the PPC last year and the main event,
Speaker 5: so it's gonna be hard to do better than that.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna try my best to win the main event,
Speaker 5: and then I'm gonna try my best to win one
Speaker 5: or two other big ones. It's gonna have to be
Speaker 5: two big ones because he won PPC, so I'm gonna
Speaker 5: have to win two bracelets and then maybe the main
Speaker 5: event to overtake the Grinder for the sickest summer ever.
Speaker 5: But uh, I believe I could do it. I really
Speaker 5: do believe that. Uh it's whatever. You have to be
Speaker 5: a little bit delusional, but like, I.
Speaker 4: Truly we're all a little bit delusional in this industry.
Speaker 2: I truly, I truly believe.
Speaker 5: That I could do anything and I sent my mind
Speaker 5: to Obviously in poker there's variants there.
Speaker 2: But like I've been on the wrong side of variants.
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people say that, but I truly,
Speaker 5: I I truly have been people could think whatever they want,
Speaker 5: and uh hey, maybe if the I always I always said,
Speaker 5: I just need to run a little bit bad. I
Speaker 5: don't even want to run good. I just want to
Speaker 5: run a little bit bad. Okay, And then yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you someone who are you only wsp Are you
Speaker 1: only here because you're here chasing braicelets in the glory?
Speaker 4: Or are you gonna, you know, bounce around.
Speaker 5: I'm basically gonna be playing like ninety six percent WSOP.
Speaker 2: I'll play the two or.
Speaker 5: Three win main events, the ten k or the thirty
Speaker 5: five hundred where versus a million. But uh yeah, I
Speaker 5: want I want bracelets. I want WSOP.
Speaker 2: And I also have myself on a bunch of the ODB.
Speaker 4: Teams, so that's none yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's extra money, although it's it's unfortunate like
Speaker 5: a bunch of good players that I know. They all
Speaker 5: told me that I'm their bonus player on their teams.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna have to go to a bunch of
Speaker 5: my good friends teams as well. But maybe we'll chop it,
Speaker 5: you know, I'll get first, they get second or third
Speaker 5: or whatever. But uh, yeah, we're gonna give them hell,
Speaker 5: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You said you're gonna have the best summer ever. You
Speaker 1: said you're gonna win three braces.
Speaker 5: Well, hopefully I'm gonna. I'm giving my absolute all, and
Speaker 5: I believe.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting is ultimately, you know, what is
Speaker 1: what when the summer's done?
Speaker 4: What does success look like for you?
Speaker 2: The truth is.
Speaker 5: Success to me always has been if I give my all.
Speaker 5: If I give my all, what.
Speaker 2: Else could I have done?
Speaker 5: So until the day I die, I am gonna give
Speaker 5: my all every single day, and I'll be happy with
Speaker 5: whatever happens.
Speaker 2: But I think good things are gonna happen very soon.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about doing a poker vlog or
Speaker 1: I know you tested that recently.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: It's just I did six and.
Speaker 4: I heard you talking about the other day like it's
Speaker 4: a lot of work. You gotta do all this stuff
Speaker 4: so you.
Speaker 5: Could type Nicholas Palmer WSOP and I did six WSOP
Speaker 5: vlogs every day at Prague for WSB Europe.
Speaker 2: It was a ton of work, to be.
Speaker 5: Honest, I wish I could be like a lot a
Speaker 5: lot of the Asian players that are GG players.
Speaker 2: They have people following them with cameras and.
Speaker 5: Like, I would rather have have that being done so
Speaker 5: I could, really because the truth is, I'm a poker
Speaker 5: player first. A lot of these guys are more contrate
Speaker 5: people first, so it's really hard when I'm trying to
Speaker 5: be the best poker player. There is to be focusing
Speaker 5: on that end of vlog, But I should be doing
Speaker 5: the vlog. I should be this I could do is
Speaker 5: because it's not at the table. But I'm gonna start
Speaker 5: podcasting soon, possibly one with me and Mike Holtz. I've
Speaker 5: been talking to him about something, and possibly one on
Speaker 5: my own, and I think people would be really interested
Speaker 5: and intrigued with a lot of thoughts I have on
Speaker 5: mostly poker, but maybe.
Speaker 4: Some other stuff. Is it only poker? Is it?
Speaker 2: I like to talk about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be mostly predominantly poker, but I'll also talk
Speaker 5: about other things and see if people are interested. But
Speaker 5: I think I'm a pretty intelligent person and I think
Speaker 5: people would like to hear my thoughts on a lot
Speaker 5: of different things, but mostly poker obviously, but a lot
Speaker 5: of other things of life as well.
Speaker 1: I don't really think I have anything else for you.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great conversation. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to get you on the podcast for a while and
Speaker 1: just chat get into the mind of Nick Palmer.
Speaker 4: I mean, is there anything else you want to share?
Speaker 5: I wanted to say thank you to anyone who truly
Speaker 5: roots for me. I really appreciate it, and I wanted
Speaker 5: to say I love you too, my mom, Rosemarie, and
Speaker 5: my nephew Bobby, and hopefully I come home with a
Speaker 5: bracelet or too.
Speaker 4: Where can people follow you this summer?
Speaker 5: Twitter is nick Underscore Palma ten ten and YouTube. You
Speaker 5: could just type in Nicholas Palmer WSP or Nicholas Palma
Speaker 5: vlog that'll pop up. And Instagram it's Nicky P ten
Speaker 5: ten and every morning on Twitter, I'm gonna be putting
Speaker 5: up a little morning video of what the day holds
Speaker 5: for that day. I'm gonna be putting updates throughout the tournaments,
Speaker 5: and I also wanted to say I do it for
Speaker 5: like all the grinders who play poker, and I wanted
Speaker 5: to say rest in peace to Daniel Sunig and Ryan
Speaker 5: Estrada who passed in the last two years, and I
Speaker 5: do it for them and everyone else who ever wanted
Speaker 5: to play poker and who loves poker.
Speaker 1: So that was Nick Palma. You heard him say the
Speaker 1: best wsp ever. I mean, this guy does not lack
Speaker 1: confidence whatsoever. So we'll see. I kind of think this
Speaker 1: could be the summer of Nick Palma.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, there's a couple of summers that I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: the analogy to that that have happened recently. You had
Speaker 1: kind of a summer of will Casue. Now, obviously it's
Speaker 1: not for like the reasons that I think we all want,
Speaker 1: but nevertheless, I think a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: people watched because of what he was doing at the table.
Speaker 1: Martin Cabrell is another one like that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't think Nick Palma goes as far as those
Speaker 1: guys go, but it's the it's the same sort of
Speaker 1: idea where their personality is so big that that's what
Speaker 1: people are drawn to more so than they're kind of
Speaker 1: just drawn to the poker. They just want to see,
Speaker 1: like what's gonna happen with this sort of stuff and
Speaker 1: when and when he got the stuff? Like I mean,
Speaker 1: i mean the Helmeth video is like you know, case
Speaker 1: in point, when you when you got the When Helmuth
Speaker 1: is putting this guy on camera saying like this is
Speaker 1: the guy who called me a panza and Nick's just
Speaker 1: owning it on camera, I mean, that's like, Okay, people
Speaker 1: are start to like kind of tune in, you know,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't really matter what side of the fence
Speaker 1: you're on with him. It's almost like, Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: watch this guy. I gotta see if he's gonna make
Speaker 1: a run. So it's just listen. The characters in poker
Speaker 1: are why I love poker so much and why I
Speaker 1: like to be in and around this industry. In this game,
Speaker 1: there's all different types of people, you know, all different
Speaker 1: types of people from like a professional sense, all different
Speaker 1: types of people in terms of like they all have
Speaker 1: these crazy different stories and it's just you know, Nick
Speaker 1: is just another one of those colorful personalities. And I'm
Speaker 1: happy that I got to sit down with him, so,
Speaker 1: you know, hope you guys enjoyed that as well. Last
Speaker 1: thing before I get up on out of here, you
Speaker 1: got to give a shout out to Sean from Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there kind of watching the end of
Speaker 1: the twenty five K the Heads Up Day one A,
Speaker 1: which also, by the way, I didn't talk about today,
Speaker 1: just because at time of recording, they're still playing the
Speaker 1: final round of the day. I don't really know what's
Speaker 1: happening there. I'm home already, so we'll just catch up
Speaker 1: with that one on the next show and see how
Speaker 1: it goes. I do know that Michael mcsrocky was playing
Speaker 1: Phil Helmuth in the third rounds. That's an absolute blockbuster
Speaker 1: of a match. But back to Sean from Fort Lauderdale,
Speaker 1: he came out to Vegas to play a few events.
Speaker 1: He recently landed. Like when I had talked to him,
Speaker 1: his body clock was still three hours ahead. But he's
Speaker 1: got a couple of events coming up. So good luck
Speaker 1: to Sean out there. I hope to see him up
Speaker 1: in that w s AP Grand Arena doing his thing,
Speaker 1: making a deep run. He said that he has a
Speaker 1: lot of success in a lot of tournaments that have
Speaker 1: like four thousand plus player fields. You know, I'm talking
Speaker 1: deep runs like you know, I think you mentioned two
Speaker 1: twelve fifteen something like that, so he can do the
Speaker 1: damn thing. So, you know, looking at like the monster stack,
Speaker 1: looking at that seventeen dollars SOP circuit showcase event, I
Speaker 1: forget what that one is called. But you know you
Speaker 1: got those big field no limit events coming up, so
Speaker 1: we'll see if Sean out of Fort Lauderdale can can
Speaker 1: make a run at it. But that's gonna be it
Speaker 1: for me. Thank you guys once again for tuning in
Speaker 1: to another episode of the Poker gro Cod Podcast. It
Speaker 1: does really feel like, Okay, we're in it.
Speaker 4: And we're ready to go.
Speaker 1: I'm happy I was able to get some interviews. I'm happy,
Speaker 1: you know, we got some winners down there. The freaking
Speaker 1: stage is revealed. I mean, look like I'm pumped.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: I got I got an interview coming up, I think tomorrow,
Speaker 1: as long as it happens or today or whatever, with
Speaker 1: Jeff Platt, the MC of the SIP, the face of
Speaker 1: the SIP Experience. I don't really know what his title is.
Speaker 1: I'll ask him on the podcast what the hell I
Speaker 1: should be calling him, but Jeff's awesome. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a lot about what the WP is doing for this
Speaker 1: summer and then obviously going forward in this new era
Speaker 1: for the brand, the biggest brand, the biggest series in
Speaker 1: the game. But that's it for me, Donnie Peters, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here and I will talk to you guys
Speaker 1: next time.