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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Goo A Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. It

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is Saturday, May thirtieth. It is one oh seven am,

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nice and late here in Las Vegas. I gotta say

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the weather has been damn awesome for the start for

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the first week of the twenty twenty six World Series

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of Poker. A fun episode ahead. I'll hit on the

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big reveal that happened today for the new w SP

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Grand Arena. Also got a couple of guests coming up

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at some point in the show. We got Daniel Gebbo,

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winner of the five K. We spoke with him earlier

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in the day, so we'll put that into the podcast.

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I also got a nice, long one sit down with

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Nick Palmer, you know, a fun, colorful personality in the

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poker world. Somewhat polarizing out there as well, but we

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had a good sit down almost thirty minutes with good

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old Nikki p So stay tuned for that as well.

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If you see poker Go Donnie, that is me. I

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have my own custom avatar on there. Come try and

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take my chips, but I will guarantee you that I'm

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going to take your chips first. Up today, I do

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want to just mention the big reveal that happens inside

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the Paris Ballroom. The curtain was dropped. You had CEO

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of the WASIP, Ty Stewart was up there. You had

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Jeff Platt, the MC of the WASIP up there. President

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of Poker Go Escandani was up there as well. Justin Garone,

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who is the president for Blueprint fifty two, he was

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up there as well. Blueprint fifty two is the casino

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and Studio Furnishing's arm of PokerGO that built this monstrosity

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of a set that spans like it's basically the size

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of a football field. And I'm not joking that the

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room that it's in, it goes wall to wall on

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each side. The room is two hundred and thirty eight

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feet wide. You know, obviously there's a little bit of

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buffer on each side, so let's call it two hundred

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feet long. I mean, I know it's not completely a

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football field, but it's pretty damn closed. It's got five

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feature tables, It's got a cluster of twelve tables in

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the middle of those five feature tables are kind of

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shaped like a horseshoe type of shape. They are all

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rfid'd out. They got all the cameras, all the bells

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and whistles. I believe I heard justin say there's a

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million and a half feet of LED tape. I mean

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there's LED from as far on the left as you

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can see to all the way over on the right.

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It all wraps around smooth curves that go around, so

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it doesn't really it's not hard edges or corners. It

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doesn't really look like anything starts or stops. It's very

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kind of free flowing throughout there. It's got two levels

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to it. There's the floor level that you know, ropes

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around where all the feature tables are, so you can

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stand there. But if you want a higher vantage point,

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there is a little balcony that goes around as well.

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So it's pretty darn awesome. Oh and then of course,

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you know, right in front of the cluster of twelve tables,

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there is the the WSP pregame show set that's its

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own little kind of mini stage up there. So I mean,

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this thing is awesome. If you got to check it

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out down there, it's incredible. If you haven't, in your coming,

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I hope you really like it. Hopefully I didn't over

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sell it, but the thing is damn awesome. I am

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not easily impressed by a lot of this stuff. I

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am a hard critic, but this thing absolutely blew me

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up when I saw it in person. I am happy

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now that everyone gets to see it, and it also

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makes me feel like the twenty twenty six World Series

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of Poker is finally one hundred percent alive. The heart

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is beating, the heart is racing as far as I'm concerned,

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and we are ready to freaking go. First thing I

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want to get into today Daniel Gebba's redemption in the

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five k nolam at hold Him. I told you guys

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on the last show that Daniel Gebba is the type

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of player that when he gets hot, big things can happen,

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and Geba did just that. He topped a field of

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five hundred and seventy entries to win half a million

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dollars five hundred and two thousand dollars in his pocket

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largest career score by a lot, his first Gabisop Gold

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brace and when I mentioned the redemption, that is because

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two years ago Geba got six in this very event

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for one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. He is a

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member of the chip Leader Coach and Crew. Chance Corneth

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the head of chip Leader Coaching. He was on the

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rail for the entire final table, sweating Gebba. Fox enjoined

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later on. Foxen was busy playing in the twenty five

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K Heads Up Championship, but then both Cornith and Foxen

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jumped into the Winter photo flanking Gebba as he celebrated

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there and posed with his first Dobasopy gold bracelet. It

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was a pleasure to talk with Daniel Gebba afterwards. We

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joked on our way from from the final table over

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to the interview area where we were going to set

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up with him. You know that just I had played

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with him over the years, you know I had obviously

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commentated on some of his stuff, and he was like,

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you know, thanks for thanks for keeping up the image

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telling people how much of a wild man am. I

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was like, well, you are kind of wild man. That's

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kind of how you play. I mean when we played

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together I saw some hands and I was like, wow, okay,

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this guy's out there. Got to adjust my strategy. But

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you know, as we talked about, he's somebody who he

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plays a certain style because he loves it and that's

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the way that he believes the game should be played.

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So really really cool to hear from Daniel Gebba. But

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let's get into that right now. Two years ago this

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very event, you had a deep run sixth place, one

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hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. You feel a sense of

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redemption now that you were back on that stage and

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you were able to close it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I actually didn't think about that, but it's, uh,

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the player I was then versus the player I am

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now is you know, wildly, wildly different. It was quite

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insane circumstances. But back then I think I just started

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working with the chipular coaching the chance, so then you're

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just making the final table. Back then it was just insane.

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Every page jump was like life changing like so, but yeah,

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I guess it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Harh.

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Speaker 3: You came back and you know, won the same event.

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Speaker 2: That's nice.

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Speaker 1: Your playing style is an exciting one, aggressive, fearless. You're

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certainly someone who you know you're you're not going to

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ever hold back, right, You're always going to go for it.

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Why does that approach fit you?

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Speaker 2: I think the approach.

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Speaker 3: Is the right way to play, honestly. I mean, I

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think the poker is very dynamic and the human psychology

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aspect of it, the fact that you're playing against humans

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is extremely relevant. So knowing how to adjust against the

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ever changing circumstances that I at a poker table is

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very important. So, you know, sometimes you got to put

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them in tough spot.

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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and three, I did a little

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bit of digging. You responded to a post on social

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media from chip Leader Coaching, and you said, the moment

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you start second guessing yourself, it's over rule number one

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in poker, do not hesitate. You know that philosophy seems

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to really perfectly match your play. Why is that mindset

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important to you to not hesitate, to always kind of

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trust yourself and go for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's extremely important. I think that's one

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of the things that you know. I think Alex Foxon

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is the best in the world at probably the best

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at or as in terms of performing and going with

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the with your instinct not second guessing yourself, not overthinking

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in a game where which requires a lot of thinking.

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So it's you know, and it's incomplete information. So I think, yeah,

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that's having the confidence in your abilities and trusting your

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intuition is something that you can't learn. You have to train,

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you have to be out here, you have to grind,

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no other substitute for that.

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Speaker 1: There's always kind of an inflection point in a tournament,

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you know, when when you start to kind of think, okay,

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like maybe this is the one, maybe it's gonna happen.

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You know, it's starting to all come and work in

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my favor. Was there kind of a moment in this

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tournament when you thought, okay, like it's getting real, I

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have a lot of chips, like I'm making a run,

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I'm this far away, Like, you know, when does that

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start to happen for you?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, I almost didn't play this tournament.

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So I've played the first bullet, I busted one hand

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off bagging and then the next day. Yeah, it was

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very close in terms of of maxing, but I'm glad

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I did so that worked out As far as understanding

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or you know, having that feeling, I think it was.

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This tournament went by pretty fast. There wasn't that many players.

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I think Day two was fairly smooth for me, and

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I think when I had the chip lead is kind

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of when it became real. I think like final two

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tables is when I started chipping up, and that's when

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I was like, Okay, here we are. Let's let's make

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sure we don't mess this up. Let's let's not mess

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this up this time. Let's let's close it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been around this game for for you know,

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kind of a long time now, and you've been knocking

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at the door several times. What does this victory mean

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to you at this stage of your career, of your journey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it means this victory is it's literally a dream

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come true. I said that earlier. You know, I've been

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playing for almost six years now, and the the process

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that you have to go through, most people would refuse

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if they actually realized what it would be, right, So

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I kind of got lucky that I've managed to get

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through it because it's extremely brutal. The swings are brutal,

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the mental game, aspect, performance strategy, there's a lot of

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that goes into it that you finally overcome you know,

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the different plateaus you go through, right, you know, so

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being able to get to this point means means a lot,

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it means, it means everything. Yeah, it wasn't all a waste,

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if you will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, poker journeys are never easy. As you just mentioned

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along the way, any people who you would say, are

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you know were the most influential to you to help

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you along that journey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously the chips are coaching Chance and

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fox and Chance literally changed my life. I was just

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a young kid who you took a chance on me.

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So I'm glad to repay that, repay the trust, and

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so yeah, I'll always be grateful for that. And then

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you know, Alex Foxon is I think the best poker player,

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tormo poker player in history, so getting to learn from

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him is invaluable. And yeah, so it's been that's as

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far as the strategy said. Yeah, that's those two have

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been pretty pretty massive in my.

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Speaker 1: J We're not even through the first week yet, You've

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already got a bracelet, You've.

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Speaker 4: Got five hunderd K in your pocket.

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Speaker 1: Do you view it as okay? The summer is a

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success or are you like okay, I'm hungry for more.

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Speaker 3: I have to control myself. Here the HURK looking at

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I'm looking at the hunter Ka. It looks looks looks interesting.

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Uh yeah, no, I do have to you know, bankle

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management has never been my expertise or something that I

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have excelled at, so I have to be careful kind

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of you know, now blast off five bullets in the

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twenty five k. So yeah, it's but I'm gonna play.

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I would like to play. I'm probably not gonna do

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a full summer grind, but uh, you know, I'll play

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some of the bigger stuff and then obviously excited for

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the main event that's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then last question here, when you look back on

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this tournament, this win years from now, let's say, five, ten,

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fifteen years down the road, what are you gonna remember

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most about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the crazy thing about something like this is like

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it just goes by so fast that you're so like

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focused and you're locked in, you're not really paying attention

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or like being in the moment as much. I think

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I did a good job this time. But yeah, I

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think at the I would say the moment I'll always

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remember is like right after I won, and then I

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had like fox with a chance standing there and I'm

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like holding a bracelet. It's felt pretty surreal, felt like

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a weird, like sim thing, like, oh, okay, that's crazy

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that I'm here, And yeah, it's pretty cereal.

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Speaker 1: That was Daniel Gebba, a really cool cat, somebody who's

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been in the game for six years now. He's got

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his biggest career score, he's got his first bracelet. He's

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also one of those players you know, put him in

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the same sort of stylistic vein as an Alex Foxen

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as a Jesse lonaz As. If you want to take

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it a little bit more old school Vanessa Selbs like

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he's just gonna have the pedal to the floor, pressing

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on the gas. He's not going to miss an opening

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in terms of taking a shot there. That's just how

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he likes to play. That's how he wants to play.

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And when those types of players get hot. I said it,

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big things can happen. A big thing happened here. But

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now going forward, now the fact that he's got half

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a million dollar score here. Right at the start of

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the summer, he said, Bankroll's not his strongest trait. Bankroll

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management should say is not his strongest trait. Well, don't

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be surprised that this wouldn't be the last time that

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we hear or see Gebba making a deep run. And

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it could even be a bigger tournament. You know, if

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bankroll management is not his thing, maybe he's out there

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blast in the twenty five k a fifty k and

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he's just going for it. Maybe if he's got chance

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corner and Alex Foxon in his corner, you know, willing

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to help when we know how successful those guys are,

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so willing to help, you know, financially buy some pieces

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that sort of stuff. I mean, this guy could do

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some really, really big things this summer. And again it

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was a pleasure to talk to Daniel Gebo. For as

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much as that was good news, I do have some

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bad news that I need to jump into. Tristan Wade's

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a new PLO friend Josh. He did not make the

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money in the five k PLO. So I'm sorry to

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break it to everyone there, but I'm gonna guess that

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it's not the last time we hear about Tristan and

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Josh's friendship. I will try and check in with Tristan

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throughout the summer see if anything else has happened between

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the two. But they obviously exchange numbers. They had a

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lot of a lot of fun chatting together. I was

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right there for that whole interaction, So so that was

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very cool and hopefully, you know, we get some more

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stories out of it. Josh's busted out hany and he

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did send it to Tristan trist and sent it to

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me blind verse blind on the King Queen seven deuce

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is when they got the money in. Josh had King

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seven six five for what he flocked was top and

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bottom pairs, so he had kings and sevens. His opponent

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had King ten eight deuce turned two pair, but then

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the river was a ten and that ten obviously sent

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Josh out the door short of the money over in

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the Mystery Mini Sorry, the Mini Mystery Millions had that backwards.

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Up to two hundred and twenty six entries total four

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five hundred and seventy nine on day one d There

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are two more starting fights to go. Both of them

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are going to take place on Saturday, May thirtieth. One

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starts at ten am, the other one starts at six pm.

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Now ten thousand entries sounds like a lot and it

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is a lot, but.

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Speaker 4: It's not in the.

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Speaker 1: Top fifth ten all time yet. It's not in the

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top ten of course either. It needs thirteen thousand, one

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hundred and nine to break into that top fifteen. I'll

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say that's a foregone conclusion for sure. And then if

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it wants to get into the top ten, eighteen thousand,

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one hundred and eighteen entries is what this needs to

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get there. I think that's very likely to happen as well.

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You know, I would expect this thing to get up

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to twenty thousand, if not more. Now, normally you would

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get in the fifth starting flight, you would get a

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bigger number, and then in the sixth and final starting

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fight you would get an even bigger number. But the

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fact that these these two starting fights are on the

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same day, it might fall that, you know, one E

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is really big. Let's say, I mean, if if today

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got almost forty six hundred entries, then one E is

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gonna get what six seven thousand, I feel like is

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a ballpark number. And then you know, you'll get a

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lot of carryover. But because it does start from or

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at six pm, probably I don't know, another three thousand,

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four thousand or so, But that's certainly well over ten

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thousand between those two flights. What puts this tournament up

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over twenty thousand. That would get it into the top

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ten all time, which is pretty crazy. And someone's gonna

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win a boatload of money. I mean, a bunch of

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people are gonna win a boatload of money. But that's

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gonna be a lot of fun to see people pull

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the bounties in that one for what was a five

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hundred and fifty dollars buy in. Largest ever tournament does

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belong to the WSP In twenty nineteen, the Big Fifty

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generated twenty eight thousand, three hundred and seventy one entries.

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A couple of winners that we're going to get into.

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We got Jason Daily. He won event number four, the

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fifteen hundred dollars Omaha High Low for his third WSOP Goldberry,

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so that he also scooped one hundred and ninety one

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thousand dollars. Perry Green got sixth for almost thirty one

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thousand dollars. Perry Green is ninety years old, He's got

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three gold berry so it's on record. I believe it

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was Stue Hunger's win in nineteen eighty one where Perry

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Green finished second. He finished second to Stue Younger. I

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believe it was the nineteen eighty one w SPEMIN events.

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Poker dot Org did some coverage of Perry Green specifically,

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and in one of their stories, they said that while

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the while an official record was unavailable, he's believed being

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Perry Green to be the oldest player ever to make

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a soop final table. So that's pretty crazy. I mean,

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even if that's not true, Perry Green doing this at

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ninety years old, it is freaking just an incredible feat.

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So he's out there battling thirty one thousand dollars for

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him over in the Casino Employees event. We did get

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a winner. Jerome Nepple won the event for sixty four

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thousand dollars. Nepll is a poker dealer from New Mexico.

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I was reading through the Poker News recap of it,

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and according to Poker News, it's Neple's second career live cash.

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Prior to this, had one cash for six hundred and

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thirteen dollars. I think, which is wild that he's now

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won sixty four k and that he does plan on

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continuing to deal at the twenty twenty six disip this summer.

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Nepple also told Poker News that he's planning a move

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with his girlfriend to Florida and that this money is

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life changing and will help me get debt free. So

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congrats to Jason Daly on winning the Omaha High Load.

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Congrats to Jerome Nepple on winning the Casino Employees Event. Now,

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next up, I want to play for you guys a

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special interview that I did Tonight's or last night, excuse

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me with Nick Palma. Now, Nick Palma, he's one of

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those players who he's been a pretty popular or I

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should say, well known figure in poker and kind of

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growing more and more over the last few years. He's

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quickly become a talking point in the early week here,

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the first week here, the twenty twenty six World Series

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of Poker. If you've been following the stuff that's happening

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in the action the social media, you've probably seen his name.

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You know you got Day one Sean deeb is tweeting

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how he threatened to spit on someone they do. He's

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in a video with Phil Helmy with Phil Mey saying,

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this guy called me a pansy.

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Speaker 4: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: I asked Nick about both of those things. In the interview,

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you also got Nick himself constantly on social media, just

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with how with how outspoken he is, with how confident

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he is, his his personality, how colorful he can be.

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I think he's a great follow on social media just

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for the entertainment aspect, for the content aspect, you know.

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But I wanted to get to know, like, like, who

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this guy is, what makes him tick, you know, beyond

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what we just see in headlines or what we see

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on people posting on social media. He's had success in poker.

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He wanted up as Supeagle Bracelet in twenty twenty five,

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but it wasn't online bracelet, and you know, according to him,

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then we'll get into that. But it's like one of

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those things where yes, I have this, but I need

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to win a live one. I just think that Nick

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Palmer is one of the most fascinating personalities in poker

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right now. You know, whatever side of the fence you're

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on with him, because he can be a bit polarizing.

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That's just the nature of his persona, the nature of

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his attitude. I wanted to sit down with him. I

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want to learn more about who he is, what drives

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him why he approaches the game the way that he does,

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why he loves it so much. He's constantly saying, like,

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I love poker. No one loves it more than me.

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I got the biggest heart, all that sort of stuff.

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So it's a longer one, but I think it's a

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really good one, and here's my sit down with Nick Palmer.

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All right, Nick Palmer, first of all, thank you for

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coming on the Poker Real podcast with me. The first

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thing that I want to ask you about, so when

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you ever walk into a room, there's just a confidence

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about you. You see it on your social media, you

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exude it with your attitude, your personality at the table.

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Has confidence always come natural or did you have to

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learn that throughout your life?

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Speaker 5: When when I was younger, my uncle always he gave

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me the best advice I ever got, and he said,

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do something. Whatever whatever you do, you do it one

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hundred percent. You don't do it at all.

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Speaker 2: So everything I've ever done, I've given my I've given

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my all, and when you give your role, I've always

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had that confidence.

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Speaker 5: If I was a half asset or something, I wouldn't

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have that confidence. But anything I've ever done, I do

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it one hundred percent or I just don't even bother

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doing it?

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Speaker 4: Has that been your whole life, like since you.

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Speaker 2: Was a teenager young teenager? Yeah, okay, I like it?

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Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I mean like also like if you're

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gonna do something, you better believe in yourself or why

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even do it?

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Speaker 4: I mean that's true. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Is there a line in your mind where confidence can

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become arrogant?

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Speaker 2: Illusion?

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Speaker 4: I mean delusion? Yeah, whatever, I mean, listen in your mind.

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00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,319
Speaker 1: Maybe not right, but some people might look at you,

477
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,480
but this guy's ca this guy's arrogant, he's.

478
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 4: Full of himself.

479
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,599
Speaker 1: But is that how you view it? Are you just

480
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,400
like No, I'm just supremely confident in me.

481
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 5: The truth is you have to have like a form

482
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,680
of delusion or other things, because the truth is most

483
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,839
people aren't gonna do what you're doing, and it takes

484
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,039
a lot of determination and guts to make it and

485
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,759
if it was easy, everyone would do it.

486
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: One of the things I always see you say, I

487
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,960
mean you even told it to me and our text

488
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,279
messages like you love the game more than anyone. You

489
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,599
care about it. We know how much you talk about heart.

490
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,279
I mean, what makes you care so much?

491
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay?

492
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 5: So The truth is, I went through a lot of

493
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,759
hardships when I was younger and I found poker as

494
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,599
a MIDI like a mid teenager, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen

495
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,519
years old, and I lost a lot of my family

496
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,359
when I was younger and I found poker and so

497
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,720
it's just been me and poker since then. So it's

498
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,880
Poker's my family, and the people I met in poker

499
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,000
are my family.

500
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 4: Is that in your mind like an escape from what

501
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,160
that once was?

502
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's basically my safe haven.

503
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 5: So basically, when I'm at the table, nothing else matters

504
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,880
besides me the cards and the and the players that

505
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680
are around me. And it's always just been a safe

506
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,799
haven of mine. And to be honest, when I'm away

507
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:19,079
from the table, I have a little bit of a

508
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,839
hard time because I think about, you know, things that

509
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,880
I shouldn't be thinking about sometimes. But whenever I'm at

510
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,839
the table, that's why I play so much. It's like

511
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,240
my it's my getaway.

512
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you're a bit of a lone

513
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,640
wolf in this game?

514
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,559
Speaker 2: I guess like yes and no.

515
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 5: But the truth is, I have so many friends in

516
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,799
the game that I've made throughout the years. But uh,

517
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,200
I guess I have isolated myself at times because of

518
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
just things I've been through. But as I'm growing up

519
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,000
and getting older, I'm learning to open myself up more

520
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,559
and and it's not the truth is you are and

521
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,279
by yourself in life. I have I have people, a

522
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,400
family that took me in that I got lucky. I

523
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,240
have close friends of mine Brandon Hamlet and others and

524
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,519
that are always there for me. So like it can

525
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:07,400
seem like you're a lone wolf okay at times, but

526
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,200
the truth is, you wouldn't be anywhere in life without

527
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,000
the people around you.

528
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't mind me asking, and what

529
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,400
was it like growing up when you were younger and

530
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,160
you were going through some of that adversity, Like do

531
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,960
you care to elaborate on a little bit more and

532
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,319
just just kind of paint the picture.

533
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know, to be honest, Like, uh,

534
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,759
as I was coming up, I guess I was younger,

535
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,160
So you don't really realize that, like the severity of

536
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,599
things until you get a little older. So it's given

537
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,240
me hard uh you know, tough skin, but it also

538
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,079
gives me the It gives me the resolve and like

539
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,079
the determination to keep fighting through.

540
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: No matter what.

541
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: Cause a lot of people have faced hardships and it

542
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,160
doesn't matter what happened to you. It matters what you

543
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,880
do after that. And and I think that's the most

544
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,519
important thing.

545
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,519
Speaker 1: Was there a point in life or your poker life,

546
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,440
I should say, when when the game itself like almost

547
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,279
broke you, or maybe you thought I can't do this,

548
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,119
or I want to quit, or it's just too much.

549
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,720
I mean, obviously we know variants can be a bitch

550
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,759
for lack of a better term, you know, but just

551
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:13,319
going through it all, live in this life.

552
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 5: So I messed up with money in twenty eighteen with

553
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,799
a few people that I rectified, but that was a

554
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,559
tough time where Like, you know, I built a lot

555
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,039
of good relationships in poker throughout the years and people

556
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,279
some people turn their backs on me and they wanted

557
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,400
to kick me when I was down, and a lot

558
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,920
of people would have just packed it up at that

559
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,079
point and just gave up. But that's how That's when

560
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:39,960
you find out who you really are and the real

561
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,240
people around you, and you keep going and even since then,

562
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:46,759
you know, you go through down swings.

563
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: It happens to everyone.

564
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 5: I'd like to say, like, I like to not compare myself,

565
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960
but it's like a Michael Jordan or a Derek Jeter.

566
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,599
Derek Jeter, you know, he goes to the plate, you know,

567
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,319
thirty forty times in a row.

568
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:00,799
Speaker 2: Even he'll have some self out and stuff, you know.

569
00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:04,559
Speaker 5: But uh, the strong competitors and the strong people in life,

570
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,680
they find the way and they keep going. And I mean,

571
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,119
if it was easy in whatever field you were in,

572
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:11,160
everyone would do it.

573
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: And it's not easy.

574
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:15,839
Speaker 1: Is there any other path that you could have seen

575
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,640
yourself ever choosing.

576
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:20,119
Speaker 4: Like a job or a career outside of poker? Is

577
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:20,799
only this?

578
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: No?

579
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,799
Speaker 5: I mean, well, obviously when I was younger, I wanted

580
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:25,359
to be a New York Yankee, but that wasn't going

581
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,880
to be a thing.

582
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,519
Speaker 2: But I mean, like a regular job, you're.

583
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,119
Speaker 4: Just not good enough.

584
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was pretty good up until a

585
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:30,720
certain age.

586
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:32,319
Speaker 5: But I mean if you're not from a place that

587
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,519
like place full like all the way around and all

588
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:37,079
this disadvantage. But if I were to work a regular job,

589
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,000
I would have wanted to be a lawyer. That's a

590
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
lot of schooling though, But uh, I've always been good.

591
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,920
I have a gift of gab as like some people

592
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,759
know and I could argue and uh and I'm pretty persistent,

593
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,440
and uh yeah I would be I would have wanted

594
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,720
to be a lawyer, but I don't want to do

595
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:55,960
eight or ten years of schooling.

596
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lawyer for sure.

597
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: What a I mean kind of in the vein of school.

598
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: And you know, what's been your poker study like or

599
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:07,519
is it just you just playing through experience?

600
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: Do you study in your off time?

601
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:10,799
Speaker 2: Like a lot of you so a lot of it

602
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,599
is experienced.

603
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: And then also I came up with some of the

604
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,680
best players of all time. I came up with Alex Foxen,

605
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,440
who might be literally the best player of all time.

606
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,920
I came up with Bucky Matthew Wantman, mikey Wang I

607
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,519
used to travel with all over Europe for two years

608
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,200
and he's another great mind in the game. A couple

609
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,240
of the younger online kids that are friends of mine

610
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,079
are Julian Julian.

611
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: Barnardis Brandon Hamlet.

612
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,079
Speaker 5: T Slaate, Tyler Hurtfield and basically just keeping good network

613
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,319
in a good good group around me and just brainstorming

614
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,440
talking about hands with them experience online and live and yeah,

615
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:54,559
just a lot of experience and a lot of brainstorming

616
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,279
with some of the best minds in the game, specifically

617
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,839
like Fox and when he was coming up, Mikey Wang

618
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,119
and now my friend's Brandon Hamlet and these other kids.

619
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: Got to ask you about the heart again. You know,

620
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,920
what does heart mean to you? In poker?

621
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,079
Speaker 2: Specifically, heart means.

622
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,839
Speaker 5: That feeling when it's the tenth tournament in a row,

623
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,640
when you're deep and they take it away from you,

624
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,079
and you could pack it up and give up, or

625
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,519
you could learn from what happened and you just give

626
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,519
your thousand percent the next time and you're.

627
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: Gonna get it. It's all up to you.

628
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,359
Speaker 5: Like that heart is, heart is falling down and getting

629
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,480
back up. What happens is people fall down too many

630
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:40,200
times and they.

631
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: Don't get back up.

632
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 5: But if you get back up, it's all up to

633
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,160
you and you could and you could achieve anything you

634
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,319
know you set your mind to.

635
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: My friends and I have a kind of a running

636
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,640
joke where we we have what we call the heart rankings,

637
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,880
and we say, you know, so and so's king of

638
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,480
the heart rankings, or so and So's king of the

639
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,519
heart rankings. I would say you're probably king of the

640
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,039
heart rankings, at least from what I see you put

641
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,200
out there, the persona that you exude. You know, you're

642
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,759
always talking about how much you care for the game,

643
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:06,519
and I think you see you at the table, like

644
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,039
with your fight and your determination. Now what is it

645
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:11,599
that's driving you behind that?

646
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 5: Like?

647
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,279
Speaker 4: Is it the money? Is it respect? Is it just

648
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,759
the pure competition of it all?

649
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 5: So I've always I was really bad with money when

650
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,000
I was younger.

651
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: But this is off topic.

652
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: But uh, I don't get good.

653
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,799
Speaker 5: I don't care about money at all. I want to

654
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,839
do the be the best poker player ever. I want

655
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,839
people to know me for being a hard worker and dedicated,

656
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,680
being friendly at the tables. I want to I want

657
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,000
to be one of the best players ever. I want

658
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:44,079
to have the most final tables, the most wins. So basically,

659
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,920
it's just respect, it's the competition. And on top of

660
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,799
all of what I said before, it's I lost all

661
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,480
my family when I was younger, and I want to

662
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,000
keep my family name going. My uncle's name was the

663
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,799
same as mine, Nicholas David Palma, and I want our

664
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,559
name to live on forever. He's not I'm the last

665
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:06,640
one left, and so I'm doing all of this to

666
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400
basically put on for my family and myself and try

667
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,519
to just see how far I can go and how

668
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:12,880
much I can accomplish.

669
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: And I want people that have went.

670
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,599
Speaker 5: Through stuff in life and uh that to know that

671
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,759
they can accomplish whatever they set their minds to if

672
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,279
they just you know, stick to it, and if you

673
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,680
have the hard work, if you keep good people around you,

674
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,559
the sky's truly the limit on.

675
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,079
Speaker 2: And it's not just for poker, it's any field that you're.

676
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,759
Speaker 1: In now along that journey that you're on. You know,

677
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,160
do you where are you at in terms of the

678
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,039
respect earning? Are you? Have you earned it yet? Are

679
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,160
you still earning it? Like like do you feel like

680
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,799
it's it's there?

681
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,559
Speaker 5: The respect is definitely there out of a say, like

682
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,880
out of a level, out of a level ten and

683
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,160
a fox and is a ten. And because I relate

684
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,880
everything to a fox it because Foxing to me is

685
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,079
number one. There's a few other people obviously if Foxing

686
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,440
is a ten, I'm at like a seven or a

687
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,880
seven and a half right now, and I got a

688
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,799
lot of work to do. But I mean to the

689
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,519
average person, yes, I have a lot of respect but

690
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,679
I hold myself to a very high regard, so I

691
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,599
want to get to the ten.

692
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: You want a WSOP bracelet online in twenty twenty five

693
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,440
in October? Do you still feel like job's unfinished with

694
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,360
a live bracelet? Like how do you look at you

695
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,800
personally that has an online one but doesn't have a

696
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,159
live one, But it's out here chasing it.

697
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: The job is far from finished.

698
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 5: The truth is when you're great in whatever field you're in,

699
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,000
it's never enough, but you need that because if you

700
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,599
didn't have that, you would just be complacent.

701
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: The truth is about life.

702
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,159
Speaker 5: A lot of people just want to get by, have

703
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,559
enough money to do whatever they want, and then there's

704
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,840
another group of people who want to be the best,

705
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,119
and those people they have a sickness, but in a

706
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,519
good way. Like it's never enough. If I win a

707
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,159
tournament today, it's good for a day. I gotta do

708
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,440
it again, because the true great it's all about consistency

709
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,480
and longevity. If you don't have those things, you're just

710
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,440
a flash in a pan or you know, like it's cool.

711
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,840
But the real respectable people and the real legends, they

712
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,960
stand that tests of time, and that's what my whole goal.

713
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Is sounds like you're one of those people who might

714
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,880
be deep into Kobe Bryant videos or Michael Jordan or

715
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,719
you know, like those types of great I mean, I'm

716
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,360
a sucker.

717
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: For that stuff too.

718
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Write you know how often they were in the gym,

719
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,039
how many shots they put up, all the different workouts

720
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,320
that they did. It seems like you're that type of

721
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,679
person as well, and you're kind of drawn to that,

722
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,440
that chase for greatness.

723
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: Definitely.

724
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 5: Also, like I'm on Instagram and a lot of my

725
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,320
stuff just Instagram inspirational quotes and inspirational pages.

726
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what would you say to people who

727
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,360
might think that's cheesy? I mean, listen, I love that shit. Okay,

728
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,280
I love it. I think it drives me too, and

729
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,039
it helps I think.

730
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 5: I think those people don't have a big enough goals

731
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:55,800
or they gave.

732
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: Up on their dreams that they truly wanted to begin with.

733
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, if you were to win a live race,

734
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,159
So whether it's this summer, next summer, or whatever, do

735
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,559
you think that changes for anything anything for you internally

736
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,079
or is it just one more notch up.

737
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,079
Speaker 5: It'll definitely change something, but it's just one more notch up.

738
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,719
The truth is, like I said, you need to just

739
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,960
keep doing it over and over, like uh, the sickness

740
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,039
is the gift and the curse, you know, like because

741
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,760
it's never enough, so.

742
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: Like when does it end?

743
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: But all you could do is just as long as

744
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,639
you're alive, just go one thousand percent and achieve as

745
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,719
much as you can achieve, and show people what hard

746
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,880
work rings and h and just have good energy about

747
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,800
you and and and just yeah, just be a good person.

748
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Basically, You've had a couple of moments over your career,

749
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,599
but two more recently that I got to ask you about.

750
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:49,679
You got Sean Deep's out there on social media saying

751
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,400
that you threaten to spit on someone you know. You

752
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,679
got Phil Helmi posted a video where like this guy

753
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:55,440
called me a pansy.

754
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, it was me.

755
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:56,639
Speaker 2: It was me.

756
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: It was right next to me. And what's what's going on?

757
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: What's in your mind there trying to get in people's

758
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,079
heads or are you really.

759
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 5: No, No, no, I'll be real, I don't care, So

760
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,119
I'm never I'm never just randomly telling like the nice

761
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,599
guy Joe the plumber, I'm gonna spit in his face

762
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,719
or aunt Betty, like, Hey, aunt, Betty, I'm gonna spit

763
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,599
in your face if I say like. And by the way,

764
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,039
I'll tell you exactly what happened. This guy was being

765
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,039
a really a real, I don't know, a real piece

766
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:23,280
of shit.

767
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,199
Speaker 4: You can say whatever you want. The guy was there.

768
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,159
Speaker 5: The guy was being a real piece of shit, and

769
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:28,719
he says a couple of things that I would never

770
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,840
say to anyone. And so I just said bluntly, if

771
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,119
we weren't in here, I'd spit in your face if

772
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,119
we weren't in this casino, because I'm a I'm.

773
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: A top professional, so I'm never gonna get in trouble

774
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,559
on any properties.

775
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 5: Basically along the lines of yeah, like like, I don't

776
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,400
I don't tolerate anyone talking to me the way you're

777
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,280
talking to me. But I'm at work now, essentially, But uh,

778
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,760
that's not any and I still shouldn't be doing that anyway.

779
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,239
I should still be a little bit big of a

780
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,960
person because I'm man enough to admit that. But it's

781
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,119
he was in the point point one percent of people

782
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,760
that I would talk to like that. But it's still

783
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,480
I'm thirty six years old, so I should do you

784
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719
a little better. But the guy was fifty five and

785
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,239
he hasn't learned yet. So like sometimes I like to

786
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,039
teach a little bit of a lesson and then I

787
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:14,639
and then I was like, you know, being a dick

788
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,039
to him a little bit, but like the right way

789
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,039
like after that, like you know how to talk shit

790
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,400
get under people's skin at that point, because then it's

791
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,400
easy with those people.

792
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: Well, let me let me just rewind once, like where'd

793
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:26,559
you grow up?

794
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Bronx.

795
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, So I mean I get it.

796
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,519
Speaker 1: You know, like your city life, you've got hard skin,

797
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,920
like you know, you know how, you know how to

798
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,400
dish it out, but you also know how to take it.

799
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to take it.

800
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 4: So so I understand what happened with Phil.

801
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,559
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll be honest, Like even though Phil came up

802
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,159
to me and like we shook hands in a pot,

803
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,519
like whatever, my thoughts on Phil is I think he's

804
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:48,039
the worst.

805
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:49,199
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be honest.

806
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 5: I think he's an amazing poker player, or was an

807
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,079
amazing poker player and a poker legend. The games passed

808
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,800
him by immensely. That's my thoughts. And I think every

809
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,840
other top players thoughts, but he is an all time

810
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,679
legend and he is sixty years old, so like how

811
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,039
long are you going to be able to be able

812
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,079
to stay sharp as well? So like I'm not you know,

813
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:11,880
it is what it is. He's six years old, it's

814
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,559
a new climate. The kids are all very hard workers.

815
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:16,519
It's hard to keep up with them. So I'm not

816
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:20,079
gonna bash him on that sense. But uh, he's just

817
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,159
he's he's just the worst. In my opinion, He's a

818
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,000
walking infomercial. He was wearing a hat one time for

819
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,320
a year where like they rug pulled the people on

820
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,559
day one and he was definitely wearing the hat because

821
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,159
he was contract contractually obligated to keep.

822
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: Wearing the hat.

823
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:40,119
Speaker 5: The company legitimately stole the people's money. I mean, this

824
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,199
is just this is just a fact. He's a walking infomercial.

825
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,079
He's just unbearable, to be honest, And I'm and I'm

826
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,840
I think I'm speaking for about seventy five percent of

827
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,760
the top professionals. I think they think the same as me,

828
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,360
and I think it might be higher than that.

829
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,079
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to be nice about it.

830
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,679
Speaker 4: But it sounds like the words you shook hands and

831
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,079
you know.

832
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 5: That's because he came up to me on camera and

833
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,719
I don't want to, like, I.

834
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Know he's gonna post it.

835
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,079
Speaker 5: And and I just I don't want to be an

836
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,360
asshole just to be an asshole. So like I don't

837
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,639
mind berating him, like when it's just me and him,

838
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,440
you know, like I don't want to be too much,

839
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,639
too too brash. You know, it is what it is.

840
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,960
But uh, I think he stinks. And I told him.

841
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:27,840
I told him as he tweeted about it.

842
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: I mean, you were in the video saying that, yeah,

843
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,480
you're like, yeah, I said that. I said that.

844
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I stand on anything I do and say

845
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,880
at all times. And I also will admit if I'm

846
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,840
wrong in my eyes or I'm man enough to I'm

847
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,119
not like Trump where like if I think I'm wrong,

848
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,360
I'll say it. I've apologized to people. Yeah, And I

849
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,360
also didn't say anything that's too crazy. I called him

850
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,639
a pansy, and I think I said he stinks. I

851
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,920
didn't talk about his family or anything, you know, like

852
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,199
so then I would have apologized seriously, but like, you know, whatever,

853
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,760
I called him a pansy whatever, it's for shits and

854
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,559
gig really like it's nothing serious. I don't I don't

855
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,719
want anything bad to happen to him or anything. I

856
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440
think he's a legend, and I just he's just not

857
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:09,000
my cup of.

858
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,199
Speaker 1: Tea now this summer. I know we're only whatever less

859
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,440
than a weekend. I mean, how are things going for you?

860
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,599
Are you just right back in the groove? Are you

861
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:19,239
feeling like it's gonna be a big summer?

862
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: I just want to continue on the last thing about Phil.

863
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,840
This is also something like that, like some of these

864
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,239
big names they just got away with.

865
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,159
Speaker 5: He was involved in the ub scandal with Russ Hamilton

866
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,239
and he just got a complete pass.

867
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's that.

868
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,119
Speaker 4: I don't really know how much he was involved.

869
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:36,079
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no.

870
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,559
Speaker 5: I don't think he was involved in the cheating, but

871
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,000
he knew stuff was going on and he just didn't

872
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:43,079
do anything about it.

873
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I think it's safe to say

874
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,199
that there are a lot of people out there that

875
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,679
might feel the same way you feel about that, which

876
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:53,400
is understandable because in those moments you might want an

877
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,760
ambassador like that to say the right thing or do

878
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,960
the right thing or not, because sometimes silence can condone

879
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,159
what something's being done right, and that that's kind of

880
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:03,119
the issue that I think.

881
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: Basically, like I'm not trying to be that harsh, but

882
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,400
it's really it's really just being a sellout. It's like

883
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,760
just taking a paycheck, turning a blind eye and or

884
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,519
not doing anything about it and then like just washing

885
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,159
your hands with the situation when it was over.

886
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: But like he's definitely culpable of something in this in that.

887
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Situation, do you think that your stance or your attitude

888
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,000
and maybe how some people perceive you might limit you

889
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,400
possibly getting deals if they're like, hm, do we really

890
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,840
want to sponsor this guy, give him money, make him

891
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,400
an ambassador if we know he's gonna speak his mind

892
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,199
because we might not be able to control that. Not

893
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:40,920
not that you're going out there going crazy, but.

894
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I definitely think that's the case for sure.

895
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 5: But also this is poker, and and like it's not

896
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,559
like we have Disney behind us where we were like

897
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,760
when we're you know, and we have to like like

898
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,280
why can't people give real opinions. I don't say, like

899
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,280
don't be don't be racist, or don't be sexist, don't

900
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,760
be these things, but why can't you have your opinion

901
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,119
on like real topics and like give your That's why

902
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,280
a lot of people like me and dislike me. I

903
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
would say a good amount of people more a lot

904
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,800
more people like me than dislike me. But it's because

905
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:16,599
I give you my real thoughts. But those are my

906
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:19,239
own thoughts. That doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. It's

907
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,559
up to the person to gauge however they feel about it.

908
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,159
But uh, but yeah, if I was signed to, like

909
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,079
a more serious contract, I would tone myself down in

910
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,880
certain situations. I would know what topics to broach and

911
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,280
which ones not to. But I would still have my opinions,

912
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,360
but I would tone them. Like if I got signed

913
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,079
by like WSOP and they have ESPN behind them, then

914
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,360
I would know to tone it down a little bit

915
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,719
and what topics to touch and what topics not to touch.

916
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,519
Speaker 2: But until the.

917
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Flip side of that, though, some people might say that

918
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,360
it's fake, Well not necessarily that, But if the right

919
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,679
company were to approach you, right, they might want the

920
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,880
full Nick Palmer experience because that is what is gonna

921
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,199
get eyeballs, that's what's gonna get clicks. That's why people

922
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,719
follow this guy, right, So it might be maybe if

923
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,639
you then did that and kind of tone yourself down,

924
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:10,960
maybe then you're shooting your stuff.

925
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: On the foot. So it's just interesting to think about.

926
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,159
Speaker 5: You know, well, well this hasn't happened yet because I've

927
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,599
always given my full opinions about stuff, so i haven't

928
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,719
held back clearly. But uh, even now, I'm I don't

929
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,159
know if I I'm with coin poker now, I don't

930
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,199
know if you're gonna put this in, but uh yeah, yeah,

931
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,880
I mean they let me say whatever I want.

932
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,039
Speaker 2: They know it's clicks.

933
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,159
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not like, I'm not like bashing people

934
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,239
on like a hatred level. I'm just giving my normal opinions.

935
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,960
And I'm sure they like that actually because it gives

936
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,840
more eyeballs and stuff. But uh yeah, I'm not trying

937
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,800
to be a bad I'm never trying contrary to what

938
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,639
like a small percentage of people thinking, I'm never trying

939
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:49,880
to be a bad guy or anything. I'm just giving

940
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,960
my own thoughts. And you could whether you could like

941
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,079
me or not like me, and but you're gonna get.

942
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: The real me.

943
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, on the summer, how's it going, I'm three.

944
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,960
Do you feel like it's gonna be a big summer

945
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,800
for you. I almost feel like it is.

946
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

947
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,639
Speaker 1: I just have this weird feeling You're gonna like this

948
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,400
is like the summer of Nick Palmer for summers.

949
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: I think.

950
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna have the sickest summer in WSLP history.

951
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: And what is that? Four bracelets?

952
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Like what I mean?

953
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna I thowt you wrote an article you said

954
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,199
you're gonna win three.

955
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,679
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, It's gonna be really tough because much

956
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,400
respect to the Grinder, who's an all time legend and gambler,

957
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:27,599
he won the PPC last year and the main event,

958
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:29,039
so it's gonna be hard to do better than that.

959
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,440
But I'm gonna try my best to win the main event,

960
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,400
and then I'm gonna try my best to win one

961
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,119
or two other big ones. It's gonna have to be

962
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,039
two big ones because he won PPC, so I'm gonna

963
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,159
have to win two bracelets and then maybe the main

964
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:44,119
event to overtake the Grinder for the sickest summer ever.

965
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,480
But uh, I believe I could do it. I really

966
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,760
do believe that. Uh it's whatever. You have to be

967
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,000
a little bit delusional, but like, I.

968
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,519
Speaker 4: Truly we're all a little bit delusional in this industry.

969
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: I truly, I truly believe.

970
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 5: That I could do anything and I sent my mind

971
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,079
to Obviously in poker there's variants there.

972
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: But like I've been on the wrong side of variants.

973
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,519
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people say that, but I truly,

974
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,599
I I truly have been people could think whatever they want,

975
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,639
and uh hey, maybe if the I always I always said,

976
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:18,960
I just need to run a little bit bad. I

977
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,760
don't even want to run good. I just want to

978
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,320
run a little bit bad. Okay, And then yeah.

979
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Are you someone who are you only wsp Are you

980
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,639
only here because you're here chasing braicelets in the glory?

981
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: Or are you gonna, you know, bounce around.

982
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: I'm basically gonna be playing like ninety six percent WSOP.

983
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: I'll play the two or.

984
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,559
Speaker 5: Three win main events, the ten k or the thirty

985
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:41,719
five hundred where versus a million. But uh yeah, I

986
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,239
want I want bracelets. I want WSOP.

987
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: And I also have myself on a bunch of the ODB.

988
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: Teams, so that's none yourself.

989
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's extra money, although it's it's unfortunate like

990
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,360
a bunch of good players that I know. They all

991
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,639
told me that I'm their bonus player on their teams.

992
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:00,559
So I'm gonna have to go to a bunch of

993
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,880
my good friends teams as well. But maybe we'll chop it,

994
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,639
you know, I'll get first, they get second or third

995
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,320
or whatever. But uh, yeah, we're gonna give them hell,

996
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,920
that's for sure.

997
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: You said you're gonna have the best summer ever. You

998
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:13,920
said you're gonna win three braces.

999
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 5: Well, hopefully I'm gonna. I'm giving my absolute all, and

1000
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:17,920
I believe.

1001
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting is ultimately, you know, what is

1002
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,559
what when the summer's done?

1003
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 4: What does success look like for you?

1004
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: The truth is.

1005
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,599
Speaker 5: Success to me always has been if I give my all.

1006
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,000
If I give my all, what.

1007
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: Else could I have done?

1008
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 5: So until the day I die, I am gonna give

1009
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,400
my all every single day, and I'll be happy with

1010
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,280
whatever happens.

1011
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: But I think good things are gonna happen very soon.

1012
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,119
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about doing a poker vlog or

1013
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,360
I know you tested that recently.

1014
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:54,159
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I did.

1015
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: It's just I did six and.

1016
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: I heard you talking about the other day like it's

1017
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,159
a lot of work. You gotta do all this stuff

1018
00:47:59,199 --> 00:47:59,599
so you.

1019
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 5: Could type Nicholas Palmer WSOP and I did six WSOP

1020
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,000
vlogs every day at Prague for WSB Europe.

1021
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,559
Speaker 2: It was a ton of work, to be.

1022
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,199
Speaker 5: Honest, I wish I could be like a lot a

1023
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,119
lot of the Asian players that are GG players.

1024
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: They have people following them with cameras and.

1025
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 5: Like, I would rather have have that being done so

1026
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,360
I could, really because the truth is, I'm a poker

1027
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,119
player first. A lot of these guys are more contrate

1028
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,599
people first, so it's really hard when I'm trying to

1029
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,400
be the best poker player. There is to be focusing

1030
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,119
on that end of vlog, But I should be doing

1031
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,559
the vlog. I should be this I could do is

1032
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,840
because it's not at the table. But I'm gonna start

1033
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,440
podcasting soon, possibly one with me and Mike Holtz. I've

1034
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,320
been talking to him about something, and possibly one on

1035
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,719
my own, and I think people would be really interested

1036
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,360
and intrigued with a lot of thoughts I have on

1037
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,440
mostly poker, but maybe.

1038
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,079
Speaker 4: Some other stuff. Is it only poker? Is it?

1039
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: I like to talk about a lot of stuff.

1040
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,519
Speaker 5: It's gonna be mostly predominantly poker, but I'll also talk

1041
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,400
about other things and see if people are interested. But

1042
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,320
I think I'm a pretty intelligent person and I think

1043
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,840
people would like to hear my thoughts on a lot

1044
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,360
of different things, but mostly poker obviously, but a lot

1045
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,280
of other things of life as well.

1046
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't really think I have anything else for you.

1047
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,719
I thought it was a great conversation. I've been wanting

1048
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,480
to get you on the podcast for a while and

1049
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,679
just chat get into the mind of Nick Palmer.

1050
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,199
Speaker 4: I mean, is there anything else you want to share?

1051
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 5: I wanted to say thank you to anyone who truly

1052
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:30,000
roots for me. I really appreciate it, and I wanted

1053
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,199
to say I love you too, my mom, Rosemarie, and

1054
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,320
my nephew Bobby, and hopefully I come home with a

1055
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:36,960
bracelet or too.

1056
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,119
Speaker 4: Where can people follow you this summer?

1057
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 5: Twitter is nick Underscore Palma ten ten and YouTube. You

1058
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,320
could just type in Nicholas Palmer WSP or Nicholas Palma

1059
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,280
vlog that'll pop up. And Instagram it's Nicky P ten

1060
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,719
ten and every morning on Twitter, I'm gonna be putting

1061
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,920
up a little morning video of what the day holds

1062
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,599
for that day. I'm gonna be putting updates throughout the tournaments,

1063
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,679
and I also wanted to say I do it for

1064
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,280
like all the grinders who play poker, and I wanted

1065
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,760
to say rest in peace to Daniel Sunig and Ryan

1066
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,039
Estrada who passed in the last two years, and I

1067
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:21,039
do it for them and everyone else who ever wanted

1068
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,039
to play poker and who loves poker.

1069
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: So that was Nick Palma. You heard him say the

1070
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,599
best wsp ever. I mean, this guy does not lack

1071
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,360
confidence whatsoever. So we'll see. I kind of think this

1072
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,920
could be the summer of Nick Palma.

1073
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1074
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,199
Speaker 1: Now, there's a couple of summers that I'm gonna make

1075
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,400
the analogy to that that have happened recently. You had

1076
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,119
kind of a summer of will Casue. Now, obviously it's

1077
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,719
not for like the reasons that I think we all want,

1078
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,360
but nevertheless, I think a lot of a lot of

1079
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,599
people watched because of what he was doing at the table.

1080
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,440
Martin Cabrell is another one like that.

1081
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: Now.

1082
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't think Nick Palma goes as far as those

1083
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,719
guys go, but it's the it's the same sort of

1084
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,320
idea where their personality is so big that that's what

1085
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,000
people are drawn to more so than they're kind of

1086
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,320
just drawn to the poker. They just want to see,

1087
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,039
like what's gonna happen with this sort of stuff and

1088
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:27,880
when and when he got the stuff? Like I mean,

1089
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,159
i mean the Helmeth video is like you know, case

1090
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,400
in point, when you when you got the When Helmuth

1091
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,719
is putting this guy on camera saying like this is

1092
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,519
the guy who called me a panza and Nick's just

1093
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,800
owning it on camera, I mean, that's like, Okay, people

1094
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,159
are start to like kind of tune in, you know,

1095
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,119
so it doesn't really matter what side of the fence

1096
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,880
you're on with him. It's almost like, Okay, I gotta

1097
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,800
watch this guy. I gotta see if he's gonna make

1098
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,920
a run. So it's just listen. The characters in poker

1099
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:56,639
are why I love poker so much and why I

1100
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,960
like to be in and around this industry. In this game,

1101
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,440
there's all different types of people, you know, all different

1102
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,800
types of people from like a professional sense, all different

1103
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,400
types of people in terms of like they all have

1104
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,079
these crazy different stories and it's just you know, Nick

1105
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:16,840
is just another one of those colorful personalities. And I'm

1106
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,400
happy that I got to sit down with him, so,

1107
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,199
you know, hope you guys enjoyed that as well. Last

1108
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,519
thing before I get up on out of here, you

1109
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:26,679
got to give a shout out to Sean from Fort Lauderdale.

1110
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,320
I was sitting there kind of watching the end of

1111
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,880
the twenty five K the Heads Up Day one A,

1112
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:34,679
which also, by the way, I didn't talk about today,

1113
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,159
just because at time of recording, they're still playing the

1114
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,039
final round of the day. I don't really know what's

1115
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,920
happening there. I'm home already, so we'll just catch up

1116
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,159
with that one on the next show and see how

1117
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:48,360
it goes. I do know that Michael mcsrocky was playing

1118
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,519
Phil Helmuth in the third rounds. That's an absolute blockbuster

1119
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,079
of a match. But back to Sean from Fort Lauderdale,

1120
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:58,119
he came out to Vegas to play a few events.

1121
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,760
He recently landed. Like when I had talked to him,

1122
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,719
his body clock was still three hours ahead. But he's

1123
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,760
got a couple of events coming up. So good luck

1124
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,639
to Sean out there. I hope to see him up

1125
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,519
in that w s AP Grand Arena doing his thing,

1126
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,159
making a deep run. He said that he has a

1127
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,679
lot of success in a lot of tournaments that have

1128
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,480
like four thousand plus player fields. You know, I'm talking

1129
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,599
deep runs like you know, I think you mentioned two

1130
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:25,679
twelve fifteen something like that, so he can do the

1131
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,519
damn thing. So, you know, looking at like the monster stack,

1132
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:33,920
looking at that seventeen dollars SOP circuit showcase event, I

1133
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,360
forget what that one is called. But you know you

1134
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,159
got those big field no limit events coming up, so

1135
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:42,960
we'll see if Sean out of Fort Lauderdale can can

1136
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,599
make a run at it. But that's gonna be it

1137
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,199
for me. Thank you guys once again for tuning in

1138
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,000
to another episode of the Poker gro Cod Podcast. It

1139
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,119
does really feel like, Okay, we're in it.

1140
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 4: And we're ready to go.

1141
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,679
Speaker 1: I'm happy I was able to get some interviews. I'm happy,

1142
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,000
you know, we got some winners down there. The freaking

1143
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,760
stage is revealed. I mean, look like I'm pumped.

1144
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.

1145
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,519
Speaker 1: I got I got an interview coming up, I think tomorrow,

1146
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,480
as long as it happens or today or whatever, with

1147
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:11,719
Jeff Platt, the MC of the SIP, the face of

1148
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,360
the SIP Experience. I don't really know what his title is.

1149
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,039
I'll ask him on the podcast what the hell I

1150
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:18,599
should be calling him, but Jeff's awesome. We're gonna talk

1151
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:21,559
a lot about what the WP is doing for this

1152
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,440
summer and then obviously going forward in this new era

1153
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,199
for the brand, the biggest brand, the biggest series in

1154
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,920
the game. But that's it for me, Donnie Peters, I'm

1155
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,559
out of here and I will talk to you guys

1156
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,159
next time.