WEBVTT 1 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:22.440 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. 2 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:27.079 Tonight's guest is Ryes Dalton Morgan. I'd like to thank 3 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:30.839 him personally. He was a great person interview. I have 4 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.799 the opportunity to sit down with him at Contact in 5 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.799 the Desert and to turn into this amazing conversation. Really, 6 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:42.119 it's about his grandfather and a military UFO encounter that 7 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:45.200 he experienced and kept private for many years. I think 8 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.840 you're really going to like this interview a lot. Be 9 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.759 sure to check this week's blog by Charles Leer, titled 10 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.840 a nineteen seventy nine UFO Case in an Irish newspaper. 11 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:01.640 Charles always uncovers interesting historical cases deserve another look. So 12 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.920 I'm very grateful to Charles for all these years of 13 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:08.120 great blogs you can find. I think there's well over 14 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.000 one hundred or even maybe even two hundred of them 15 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.400 over at a website PODCASTUFO dot com. And as always, 16 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.280 thank you for watching and supporting the show. I'll be 17 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.560 hanging out live in the chat room tonight, but I'll 18 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.599 be leaving really early tomorrow morning for Washington, DC to 19 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.079 attend the disclosure form. 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Thanks again for 40 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:44.840 joining and I hope you really enjoy the conversation tonight. 41 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:52.240 Reestlton Morgan, I am so happy to have you here. Irene. 42 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.599 Our mutual friend said, you've got to have this guy 43 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:01.280 on my show, and you appeared here Contact in the desert, 44 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.039 so we got to meet and it's been such a 45 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:08.120 pleasure talking to you. Likewise, this room just opened up 46 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:09.919 and I grabbed a hold of you. So let's go. 47 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.000 Yeah, that's how we do it. 48 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.280 Yeah, great, that's great. What do you think of Is 49 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.280 this your first time? No, no, it's not your first 50 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.439 home to America, but your first home to California? Is 51 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:20.759 that right? 52 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.199 No, not first time in California, but first time at 53 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:23.960 Contact here. 54 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.120 We yeah, we did a little. 55 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:29.759 Trip around the California sort of parks and some of 56 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.599 the states outside as well as southwest there. So we 57 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.479 sported a little Was that a few years ago like 58 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:36.599 last year actually? 59 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.400 Or yeah? Last year? So okay, I think did you 60 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:41.680 go to Secorol? 61 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:42.840 No, not yet. 62 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:43.520 That's this trip. 63 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:44.680 We're going to try and get up there to you 64 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.919 said to me in Sequoia and Kings Canyon. Oh nice, 65 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.120 but yeah, last time we did sort of Zion, Red Rock, 66 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.120 Grand Canyon, Yeah, yeah, the big parks, so we were 67 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:56.039 trying to see as much. 68 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.680 As we could. Yeah. Yeah, So we had a great 69 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.719 conversation and we know someone mutually Bell Charker correct. Yes, 70 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:07.080 I consider Bell Charker the leading No, maybe I'm partial, 71 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:11.960 but the leading Australian UFO researcher, I would agree, yes, 72 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.240 and a very nice gentleman. 73 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.720 He is a gentleman, definitely, yep. 74 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:21.120 So he's sort of mentoring you, that's right. Yeah, So 75 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:22.160 what's a funny story. 76 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:27.839 He originally had done a lot of research into kind 77 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:32.000 of the Australian military defense cases sort of across the years, 78 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.000 and one of those accounts that had sort of been 79 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.759 passed on that he ended up getting his hands onto 80 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:41.920 was my grandfather's account of a flying saucer during the 81 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.279 launch of a nuclear black Night rocket in nineteen fifty 82 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.519 eight or nineteen fifty nine at the woman of Test Range, 83 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.360 which is sort of Australia's Area fifty one. It was 84 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:56.199 where Britain were doing their ICBM and atomic testing and 85 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:01.240 it's a massive facility. But long story short, I kind 86 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.160 of connected through Bill trying to find more information about 87 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:07.319 this case and my grandfather because it had never been 88 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:08.120 known to the family. 89 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:09.959 So how did you find out about it? So I 90 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:11.040 actually found it online. 91 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.279 There was a published there was a published testimony of 92 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:20.040 the siding, and I bound Bill Chalker's home phone number 93 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:24.800 online and gave him a call, wrung him up and said, Hi, Bill, 94 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:27.319 my name is Reestot Morgan. He probably don't know who 95 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.519 I am, but I'm interested in sort of some information 96 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.959 he might have about my grandfather. And he thought Dalton 97 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:37.399 Morgan a name sounds very familiar. And we ended up 98 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.279 from there just doing a lot of work. And he's 99 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.279 sort of been, I think, guiding me along, trying to 100 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.879 help me in any way he can get more information 101 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.360 about my grandfather but also take on board the enigma 102 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.399 that is the phenomenon in the exploration of this and 103 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.519 trying to get to the truth. So he's always very 104 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.800 good with providing critical analysis and helping me on what 105 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.399 content or material I should read in to get myself 106 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.399 continually up to speed. So yeah, very grateful to have 107 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:07.319 Bill there to I guess guide me along this journey. 108 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.360 Well, you know, you think about I think about how 109 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.319 things have changed my life, and I love where my 110 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.439 life was gone because I was sitting at a hot 111 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:17.560 tub and something flew over me. But now you happen 112 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.639 to catch this thing online that you would have never 113 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.480 known about. Yeah, and here you are now and that's 114 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.879 kind of how these things work, and it's pretty amazing. 115 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:32.079 And so your grandfather never spoke about this, No, it's 116 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:32.839 quite strange. 117 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.279 Yeah, so he kind of went to his grave not 118 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.279 really talking to the family or anyone that we know 119 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.839 about these experiences that he'd had. And yeah, given that 120 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:49.120 they were, I think such credible documented accounts given his title. 121 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.000 So you know, my grandfather originally he was a famous 122 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.920 spider pilot as from the ref sort of one of 123 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.800 the golden boys or the few that was sort of 124 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.560 tipped to go all the way to the Air Chief 125 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.720 of Staff. And in nineteen fifty two he sort of 126 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.160 resigned from an Air Force base in West Germany, it 127 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.240 was a NATO operation there and was tasked by the 128 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.600 Ministry of Supply to come to Australia to act as 129 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:19.279 the operations head for the woman A Test Range, so 130 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:25.920 essentially to run all their ICBM and classified advanced technology 131 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:31.240 tests as part of a joint project with Australia. And 132 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.920 during his time a few years into that, when he 133 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.639 was range head, they were going to launch a black 134 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.920 Night rocket. He was in the control tower and there 135 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:45.120 was a collection team one hundred miles down the northwest 136 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:47.800 of the Woman a test range and for context, the 137 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:49.920 Woman a test range essentially is just a desert in 138 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.839 the middle of Australia, South Australia and the middle of 139 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.560 Australia a little below the middle, but in the middle 140 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.759 of South Australia where there's nothing. 141 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.680 From what I understand the light of it, it's a 142 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.560 lot of sparse territory, but it's the Woman A test 143 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.800 range at that time was double the size of England. 144 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.920 Just that brill the largest test range in the world. 145 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.800 Ah say, And he got a call from someone called 146 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:21.199 Lieutenant Percy Hawkins who was there to collect the material. 147 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.319 After the ICBM had gone up, the warhead had separated 148 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.560 the dummy warhead and they would re enter the atmosphere 149 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.759 and they would collect the data and bring it back. 150 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.440 And Lieutenant Percy Hawkins said, called up the telecom in 151 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.840 the control tower and my grandfather was and a couple 152 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.080 of others and said, hey, there's a bright light moving 153 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.559 at high speed towards where you guys at the rangehead. 154 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.360 And he estimated faster than mak too. So my grandfather 155 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:45.399 went out with Alan Mole. 156 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.120 That's like fifteen hundred miles an hour YEP. Something like that. Yep. 157 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.000 So they weren't sure, but they thought it was moving 158 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.360 very quick and big and bright the light. So him 159 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.399 and Alan Mole and six others went out onto the 160 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:02.879 control area and they picked up this light. Sure enough, 161 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.440 moving quite quickly. It came down in at five thousand feet, 162 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.320 which is quite low in terms of the woman or 163 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.080 a test area, because it's all it's all sky three 164 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:17.000 quarter sky, flat desert, beautiful landscape, and the light was 165 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:22.639 illuminating a circular disc. And my grandfather documented that you 166 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.919 could see a cupola light cabin on top of the disc. 167 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.600 And this circled over top of the missile on the 168 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.879 site for a few minutes or so, and then it 169 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.840 shot off to the northeast and accelerated into space, essentially 170 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:37.320 right in front of them. 171 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.759 Did they have it on radar or anything? 172 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.600 He said that the radar did not detect it and 173 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:44.240 pick it up, but they watched it. 174 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:48.919 That's so unusually, isn't now? Did I do remember we 175 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.120 had this conversation yesterday or the day before that you 176 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.519 mentioned there results of windows in this thing. 177 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:56.600 Yes, that's right. Yeah. 178 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.200 Was there a description of what the windows were like? 179 00:09:59.480 --> 00:09:59.559 No? 180 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.840 I think car probably it would be well, you would 181 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:11.720 equate to a portholes them guessing. So, yeah, the craft disappeared. 182 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.799 He wrote five reports allegedly about this. 183 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.840 Now, was anyone on the outside of the tower that 184 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.080 witnessed us out in the open? Do you happen to know? 185 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:23.240 Is that in the report? 186 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:27.000 So when you say well we so, we actually haven't 187 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.399 been able to get access to the official report. Basically 188 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:34.480 it's still allegedly in the ether or classified. What we 189 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.840 were able to find was my grandfather's handwritten transcript or 190 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:40.639 the testimony of the account. 191 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.279 That must have been exciting. 192 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:47.159 Yes, that's right. So he'd actually put that in with 193 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.320 the author who was to do his biography, and that's 194 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.759 that's how we ended up finding the actual account through 195 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:59.600 the author, so we had his written words and testimony 196 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:06.879 of it and from there, basically Bill Chalker helped me 197 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.279 speak with another researcher in the UK called doctor David Clark. 198 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.960 Oh yeah, so, no, David, he's been on the show yep. 199 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.960 Yeah, David's a great bloke. So he actually interviewed my 200 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.080 grandfather two years before he passed. 201 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.759 Away, Is that right? Yeah, and no one in the 202 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.360 family knew about it, no one, boy, He was a 203 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:25.120 secret of man. 204 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:31.559 He was always very understated, unassuming, but clearly you know, 205 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.480 was sort of from that era I think too, and 206 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.320 they didn't talk about a lot of work that they did, 207 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.440 and it was all sort of behind closed doors. But yeah, 208 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.000 David Clark had spoken with my grandfather, and my grandfather 209 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.720 had told him that in the late nineteen forties that 210 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.399 he'd served on a secret joint United States Air Force 211 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:57.159 committee as an RAF officer to investigate UFOs. 212 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:57.840 And great, that's right. 213 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.679 Yeah, so at that time it would have beenably nineteen 214 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.440 forty eight, we estimate based off his records. 215 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:04.159 That's early. 216 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:05.039 Yeah. 217 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:11.080 And also that's an early encounter involving noks. Yes, because 218 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.399 you know, I used to have Robert Heasting's on my 219 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:16.840 show a lot. Are you familiar with Robert Heasting? I am? 220 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.720 Indeed, does he know about this situation? I don't know 221 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:25.320 if he does. Yeah, Well, Bill's documented and written about 222 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.279 it actually in a few of his books. He has 223 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.440 it in the ors files. He also UFOs and government 224 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.600 it's in there as well the case. But yeah, there's 225 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.720 still a lot of information I think to be found 226 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.120 about my grandfather's involvement because. 227 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.440 The more I was digging. 228 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.320 The more we were looking, the more it seemed like 229 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:49.200 he was somewhat always in these interesting places at interesting 230 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:52.519 times that happened to be a kind of there were 231 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.360 either UFO encounters going on or there were cases documented 232 00:12:55.360 --> 00:13:00.000 at that time, and very famously, Harry Turner, who saw 233 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.440 wrote some explosive UFO documents which have sort of gone 234 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.519 quite public since they've been put out there. Very interesting. 235 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.240 My grandfather and Harry Turner had worked together at the 236 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.440 Woman A Test Range, and there's a whole history there 237 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:19.559 as well between those two where Harry Turner was actually 238 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.919 investigating the UFOs in his time at the Woman A 239 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.840 Test Range. You've got my grandfather, who'd been involved in 240 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.480 investigations in what we estimate to be Europe or Germany, 241 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.080 taking over the Test Range and then having a UFO 242 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:38.960 experienced himself, but then also the chief commander of the 243 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.000 Woman A Test Range who was Australian. His name is 244 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.039 Richard Durant. He ran the facility with my grandfather at 245 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.720 the time, and he was in the Washington, DC radar 246 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.039 room during the nineteen fifty two flyover. He was there 247 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.639 as the year tache for the Australia and the United States. 248 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.200 So you had three very prominent figures at the Test 249 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.679 Stranger at the same time, all involved with the UFO 250 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.600 phenomenon at some level. 251 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.759 Very interestingly, Now, when David Clark interviewed him, was that 252 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.679 a written interview or is that an ideal? 253 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.600 Yeah, it was audio over the phone, and you have 254 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.960 it to him. I'm sure I've got the notes, yes, 255 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.600 from David Clark, right, We've gone through them. Yeah. So, 256 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.480 as I said, my grandfather didn't list the name of 257 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.799 the committee or why he was on it to David Clark. 258 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.919 I still think he kept it quite close to the 259 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:34.919 chest from what we can determine. But all I suspect 260 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.879 is that whatever they determined in that report or that 261 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.759 committee is still probably locked away somewhere I have. I 262 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:48.840 don't think we will have seen the real report. And 263 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:54.320 the reason that it's fascinating is Britain's first documented investigation 264 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.840 into UFOs. The formal report that we have is nineteen 265 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.720 fifty to nineteen fifty one, and that was Sir Henry 266 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.480 Tizzard who initiated that. He was the Chief Scientific Officer 267 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:10.039 of Winston Churchill and they gathered a few different parties 268 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:16.840 from the Admiralty, the Air Ministry sorry excuse me, to 269 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.320 launch an investigation into the phenomena for Britain, and they 270 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:25.080 determined that only a very small percentage were basically unacknowledged 271 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.240 or unknown, but there wasn't enough Dartatta to make any 272 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.039 decision as to whether that was actually anonymous, and that 273 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:37.799 report didn't come out until two thousand. It was discovered. Really, 274 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.600 and my grandfather's account of being on this committee predates 275 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:47.120 Britain's first documented investigation by a few years. 276 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.159 Yeah, so I have to stop. You're here, We're going 277 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:51.720 to do I'll do it a little bit at it 278 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:55.080 and I can't make a note of that, but so 279 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:59.200 you're you're a laniard has falling down the microphone. So 280 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.240 I'm wondering if if you can't really you can try 281 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:02.360 to pinch it on your shirt. 282 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:03.440 Yeah, I'm trying to see. 283 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:09.000 Yeah, maybe that's better. God sorry, yeah, yeah, So I 284 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:10.600 just got to I got to go through this and 285 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.039 make sure I note. I'm going to put my card 286 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.960 out of something to remind myself to note that this 287 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:22.840 is in thirteen minutes and fifty five seconds. Okay, I 288 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:24.279 have to do weird things when I don't have a 289 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:26.039 pen and paper to get my Oh yeah, that's. 290 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:26.639 That's all right. 291 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:28.879 Sorry, no, no, no, that's like that's just one of 292 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:33.080 those things. It's kind of funny. So okay, So what 293 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:36.679 do you think that your grandfather would think about your 294 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.919 research if he were alive today. 295 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.320 That's a great question. That's a really interesting question, because 296 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.200 I wondered if he'd be almost you know, would he 297 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.120 be annoyed that I'd be trying to dig into things 298 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.320 He should probably remain, you know, where they are with 299 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:53.960 the history that he had. But very strangely, you know, 300 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.240 I've gotten this sense. You know, my grandfather and I 301 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.559 were close growing up. He lived in an Adelai Idea. 302 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.639 He would throw a rugby ball with me, and we 303 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.200 spent a lot of time together. And my grandmother might 304 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.559 have a huge family, right, so my dad has sort 305 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.640 of four brothers and three sisters and other siblings as well. 306 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.759 And my grandmother would always cry when she saw me 307 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.960 because she thought I was sort of the reincarnation of 308 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:24.720 time my grandfather. Very funnily, so, I'd always been obsessed 309 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.440 and interested in UFO since after high school, and I 310 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:33.400 never had any explanation why. And I was deeply invested 311 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.960 in his topic from twenty seventeen. Once the New York 312 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.599 Times article came out, and was learning reading everything I could, 313 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:45.359 And when I discovered that Bill Chalker testimony of my grandfather, 314 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.680 I nearly fell off my chair, I bet, And because 315 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.960 I almost wondered if there was something that was maybe 316 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.279 deep with inside me that maybe I'd inherited, or it 317 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.240 was something that my grandfather never for whatever reason didn't express, 318 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.200 maybe sort of came out in me, sort of skipped 319 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.319 the generation because my dad was a major skeptic and 320 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.680 not really interested in No, he's come on board. He's 321 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:11.400 come on board. 322 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:12.160 Yeah. 323 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.680 After he learned about all the details his father, his history, Yeah, 324 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.640 plus all the other cases I've sort of thrown in 325 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.799 front of him, he started to come around. But yeah, 326 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.680 it felt as if my connection to being so interested 327 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:29.559 in the UFO phenomenon in some way was related to 328 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:30.799 my grandfather somehow. 329 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:32.079 Seems that way. 330 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:38.839 Yeah, And I would say, without knowing how the world 331 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:43.119 works or what the universe really is, and this phenomenon, 332 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.359 with how strange it can be, that there's a part 333 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.119 of me that somewhat believes that, you know, my grandfather 334 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:52.519 has some part to play in my journey along this 335 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:57.319 as well. I don't know, and maybe not, But as 336 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:01.160 I said, I think there have been some very interesting 337 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.240 coincidences that have sort of almost felt like I've been 338 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:06.559 pulled into this a period of time. 339 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:08.640 Now, what about I don't know if you have any 340 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.799 siblings or is there other parts of the family that 341 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:12.440 really find this fascinating. 342 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:16.599 So I'm not to the same extent. No, I've got 343 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.000 a sister and an older brother, but no one's really 344 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.279 curious as much as I am. 345 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:21.720 My mom I have the same situation. 346 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.640 Maybe, yeah, it can happen. My mom's very interesting because 347 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:31.279 my mom sort of you know, she's a scientist's very intelligent. 348 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:33.839 She yes, Now you told me something about your mother. 349 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.359 I know she was born in Bison. That's same as myself. Yep, yep, 350 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.440 But so yeah, tell us about your mother. Yeah. 351 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:44.920 So my mom is in a senior role at Australia's 352 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.759 only a nuclear reactor. She runs the communications for Australia's 353 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.000 only nuclear reactor. And she's never mentioned anything about UFOs, 354 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:54.920 never really blinked deny about my interests to sort of 355 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.519 let me be with it. And after I released all 356 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.640 my research about my grandfather Tom, she sat my father 357 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.680 and I down and came out and explained that she'd 358 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:09.880 actually had multiple experiences with what we might call the 359 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:13.279 UFO phenomenon throughout her life, some in the United States, 360 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:19.160 some in Australia, and she was almost, I don't want 361 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:24.480 to say traumatized, but very hesitant to kind of explore 362 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.119 it and talk about it. And it shocked my father 363 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.400 more than anyone, because she'd never spoken about this ever. 364 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:33.720 It was the first time she had shared anything like 365 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:35.440 this with anyone, you know. 366 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.519 Did it come up at it like a sorry, did 367 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.880 it come up like at a family gathering or something 368 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:41.200 like that. 369 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.039 No, just quietly when I was down visiting my parents 370 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.680 down the coast, she just sort of sat us down 371 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.359 and said, look, I've got something to share with you 372 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:54.839 and make of it what you will. And yeah, she'd 373 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:55.920 had close encounters. 374 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.359 Can we talk about it and did you give your details? 375 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:01.119 Of course? Yeah, absolutely. This one she was quite young. 376 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:04.240 She said she was playing in the backwoods and she 377 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:08.920 came across an entity of sorts in America in Boston, yeah, 378 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.240 north andover, I believe, Oh yes, a shadow like entity 379 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:17.119 of sorts. And her description was that it stretched wide 380 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.960 and tall and went transparent and then she blacked out. 381 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.000 She woke up there and went out, obviously out of 382 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.200 the woods, pretty freaked out. From her description, she was 383 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.039 coming out of a parking lot in Boston in her twenties. 384 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:35.799 Hang on, just one second. Were you going to that one? 385 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:40.559 Did she talk about any tape of missing time? Do 386 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.039 you know she noticed any tape? No? 387 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:45.160 No, I think she was she was too young, I 388 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:50.160 think to acknowledge basically that that kind of yeah, that effect. 389 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.839 Yeah, so she's in her twenties and coming out of 390 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:53.480 a parking lot. 391 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:55.599 Yeah, so this one, she's in her twenties. The next 392 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.680 one coming out of a parking lot, and she said, 393 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:02.759 basically a k or so above the parking lot and 394 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:07.319 just in front of her there was a craft with 395 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.559 rainbow colored lights, moving very strangely. Her description in the 396 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:13.559 air the way was that she said it didn't look 397 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:15.720 like it was flying, and that was how she knew 398 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:16.680 something odd was going. 399 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.839 This is the second time I've heard since I've been 400 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:24.519 out here someone described rainbow color plates. The other one 401 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:25.839