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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Time and Change Will Shirley Show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tony Gerdaman here with Juck Maletti as we discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the past president and future of Ohio State through one

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<v Speaker 1>particular topic. And I guess as we're discussing the past

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<v Speaker 1>president of the future of Ohio State, the topic that

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<v Speaker 1>we're choosing this week is the Michigan football program. So

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<v Speaker 1>well actually talking more Michigan than Ohio State, but also

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, plenty of Ohio State. And as we like

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<v Speaker 1>to do with these episodes, let's get some background, Juck,

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<v Speaker 1>when did you really start to get aware become aware

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<v Speaker 1>of the rivalry and what was it like growing up

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you did with that rivalry.

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<v Speaker 2>So my family, Italian Catholic family, Catholic school were majority

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame fans, and I was an Ohio State fan,

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<v Speaker 2>not as a way to rebell it them. It just

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<v Speaker 2>felt natural to me to root for the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>said Ohio and I didn't get the whole Notre Dame deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to say I was probably ten years

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<v Speaker 2>old or so when the rivalry really became like part

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<v Speaker 2>of because I had a neighbor who they all they

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<v Speaker 2>went down, they had seen the season tickets, and I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got schooled by him and his family as

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<v Speaker 2>to everything when I was younger, which is where I

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<v Speaker 2>watched watch the game, watch a lot of the games

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<v Speaker 2>growing up. So thank goodness for them, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one one different change and I could have been a

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame guy sitting here with the leprechaun behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know who knows tone, But yeah, ten years old

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<v Speaker 2>and then and then kind of that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety one, and from there through my high school

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<v Speaker 2>years it ended in about ninety eight. Were spent the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the time over there with my neighbors when

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't at the game.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is kind of my background on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, a similar story for me as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Northwest Ohio, which if you're not from there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's a lot of Michigan fans there. Didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Michigan fans growing up in the schools,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I was going to school, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can always tell who they were in terms of the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The counter not counterculture, but as you said, like the

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<v Speaker 1>rebelling against you against whatever the family or the local

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<v Speaker 1>school is. So they were those those kinds of people

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<v Speaker 1>where it's they don't even really care.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't know either, Yeah, never right at.

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<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>They just did it kind of for a reaction, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you couldn't even really necessarily engage with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>they'd love to engage with you after a Michigan win,

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<v Speaker 1>believe me. And uh, it was always just like the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge would be like, name five players, give me five

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<v Speaker 1>people on your team that you know, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have like a quarterback and then somebody maybe

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else and you'd be like, no, that guy stars

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<v Speaker 1>on days of our lives. You're just throwing names out.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you know, you grow up and you grow

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<v Speaker 1>through it and it just becomes a part of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like I I remember I didn't watch all

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<v Speaker 1>of the games, even when I was well aware of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because they weren't all great to watch because this was

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the late eighties where Ohio State was

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<v Speaker 1>not doing so well with them. But we'd have the

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<v Speaker 1>game on and you know, we'd go out and play

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<v Speaker 1>football and then come back and see what the score

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<v Speaker 1>was and be like, let's go back out. Let's I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen enough already, but then you know, you get to

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<v Speaker 1>college and it just or you grow up and you

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<v Speaker 1>get older, and then it's just the thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>you get.

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<v Speaker 4>To experience every year.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jim Tressel brought a lot of happy years to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people and somewhat continued, but there's some

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<v Speaker 1>angst to going gone to the last few years. And

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<v Speaker 1>so with all of this rivalry talk, I wanted us

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and kind of list some rivalry killers

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<v Speaker 1>in this and I'm I've tasked you with coming up

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<v Speaker 1>with the wolverine killers from Ohio State. I guess you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether this is a that that you've seen your lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a name on your list that immediately comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind, or that major list.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, sometimes when we do this, you come

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<v Speaker 2>up with a formula, and you know, I've got so

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<v Speaker 2>many memories it's tough for me to break this down.

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<v Speaker 2>So I decided, why don't I go with a formula,

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<v Speaker 2>and I put one together.

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<v Speaker 3>So forty percent of the grade. Number one is wins.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to win the game, because you know, we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen some amazing performances against them, but in a losing effort,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just hard to take much away from it other than,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a great individual performance, but it didn't didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do much in the end, and I was miserable for

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<v Speaker 2>a whole year after it, So how much could.

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<v Speaker 3>I really have enjoyed it?

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<v Speaker 2>So so forty percent win, twenty five percent individual production,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent importanance in magnitude of maybe the signature

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<v Speaker 2>play you might have made during the game, and then

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent for me is an Ohio bonus. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>play high school football in Ohio? Because that, to me

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<v Speaker 2>makes just the cut above there, and my number five

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<v Speaker 2>guy on my list does not even reach that threshold.

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<v Speaker 2>A Texas high school football player who was three and

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<v Speaker 2>zero against Michigan, and that is JK. Dobbins and Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>State won by a combined score of one forty nine

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<v Speaker 2>to seventy seven, and his three wins first two performances solid.

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<v Speaker 2>Third one was amazing two hundred eleven yards, four touchdowns

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<v Speaker 2>fifty six to twenty seven, whooping at kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>height of the absolute drubbings, and he was lost to shoe.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a shore ripped off, but a.

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<v Speaker 2>Total Michigan killer in the big House with four touchdowns,

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<v Speaker 2>and that one was one that really stands out in

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<v Speaker 2>some games that just kind of stand out for you

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<v Speaker 2>know those games For me, Tony, they're not enjoyable experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>They never have been.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the longest game of the year every year. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait for it to end because I just want

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<v Speaker 2>the result. And it is the lead ups like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like playing a game at night, Yeah, it'd be cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not waiting all day.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't deal with that anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's play at noon and let's make the clock

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<v Speaker 2>go as fast as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's the way I enjoy that game. The faster

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<v Speaker 3>the better.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the Buckeyes can win that game big, it

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<v Speaker 2>make me feel at ease like JK did that year.

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<v Speaker 2>You get extra bonus points, so I got JK number five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and two catches for forty nine yards in that

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<v Speaker 1>game as well. I did not put a formula together

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<v Speaker 1>for the other side of this because I felt if

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<v Speaker 1>I spent too much time on it, people would get angry.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I think and frankly, it was difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>find five guys because I know people will say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Desmond Howard this, and Dosmon Howard. Then it's

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<v Speaker 1>like he had a punt return in a game that

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan was leading, in the second quarter of a game

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<v Speaker 1>that Michigan was leading that they ended up winning comfortably.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, other than that, he didn't really do much.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, like what about Like Will Johnson had

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<v Speaker 1>a good game against Marvin Harrison, but that was about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The number five, I don't even have a number five

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<v Speaker 1>because the Donovan Edwards, for instance, everybody talks about Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>Edwards in the career that he had against Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>In his Ohio State career, he did rush for two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty six yards. One hundred and sixty of

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<v Speaker 1>those came on two carries at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of those games, and his other thirty five carries

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<v Speaker 1>went for one hundred and six yards. So like the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of his career against Ohio State, outside of those

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<v Speaker 1>two carries went for three yards. And I'm saying all

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<v Speaker 1>of that to say, I'm gonna put Brian Greasy number

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<v Speaker 1>five because to me, he was always in my day

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<v Speaker 1>in my college days, it felt like he was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that would come in and save Michigan or just

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<v Speaker 1>keep Michigan on top while they had their quarterback rotation

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<v Speaker 1>with like I don't know Scott drys Back or whomever,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just remember after I graduated thinking Brian Greasy, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you just having this feeling? Like like Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Greasey was just so annoying growing up in this because

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<v Speaker 1>like he wasn't great, he was just good enough, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was good against Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 4>At times, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was so annoying listening to his dad call his games

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<v Speaker 2>and call him Brian like Brian, I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>so flipping annoying, dude, I couldn't stand it. That was

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<v Speaker 2>something that really that became a thing at school with

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<v Speaker 2>me and my buddies, Brian Bryan. But yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is when we talk about big plays, man,

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<v Speaker 2>because the Donovan Edwards thing, like I would to guess

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<v Speaker 2>that Tony, I'd have thought that he had much better

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<v Speaker 2>aside from those big runs, because those big plays in

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<v Speaker 2>that game stand out so much and they mean so

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<v Speaker 2>much in that game that it certainly feels to me

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<v Speaker 2>like Donovan Edwards just had a great, great time against

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State, but thirty five carries for one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>six yards not so much. Moving on to number four

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<v Speaker 2>for me, a Missouri running back Ezekiel Elliott Ezekiel Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>three to zero against Michigan twenty fourteen, Buckeyes in the

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<v Speaker 2>lead in the second half, but it's close and forty

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<v Speaker 2>four yarder to make it forty two to twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>effectively in the game. And then in twenty fifteen, coming

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<v Speaker 2>off of the Sparta game where he'd not get the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>the loss, it was horrible, just a gut wrenching week

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<v Speaker 2>and leading into that game, which you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>everybody felt Ohio State was going to win and win big,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he he kind of went nuts that game,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty carries over two hundred yards and uh and they

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<v Speaker 2>and they beat him down. But Zeke coming off that

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<v Speaker 2>game with the attitude that he had, that was that

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<v Speaker 2>was an especially uh you know, there's like the season

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<v Speaker 2>is over, which is what it was back then, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a cathartic victory. And that's one that

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<v Speaker 2>stands out that I'll remember a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was a pick them.

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<v Speaker 1>The line on that one was even and they went

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<v Speaker 1>in and you know, went to Michigan won forty two thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>And that that fourteen to twenty fourteen game when Cardale

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<v Speaker 1>Jones comes in and it's a one score game and

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<v Speaker 1>people are a little bit nervous, and then, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>Ezekiel Elliott breaks it for forty two or forty four

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<v Speaker 1>yards and ends the game like, yeah, I can if

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<v Speaker 1>he's only if he's only fourth on this list, sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty good list. I wonder, I wonder who

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<v Speaker 1>could ever be number one on this list? Gosh, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea da who it might be the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>guy on my list. I'm gonna go ahead, And the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with this list is that so many of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys just did it one year, and whereas you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're throwing out the two guys that you've got so

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<v Speaker 1>far did it two years and three years. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go with I guess I'll go with Chris Perry,

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<v Speaker 1>who in two thousand and three just thirty one carries

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty four yards, two touchdowns, five catches

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<v Speaker 1>like he is just like he's on death's door and

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<v Speaker 3>Just help me up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you remember watching the offensive lineman carry and Byron

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<v Speaker 1>Leftwich from snap to snap, it was basically like that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like full back picking them up and then a left

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<v Speaker 1>tackle picking him up, and then he'd, you know, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>out and resuscitate it and clear and then he carry

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<v Speaker 1>the ball again. It's like, once they come out and

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<v Speaker 1>they put the paddles to you, you should have to

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<v Speaker 1>miss a snap. Yeah, and he never did. And just

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<v Speaker 1>it was a one year thing. But man two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three to kind of end the Jim Trussel run

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<v Speaker 1>of two years and just remind people that Michigan is

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<v Speaker 1>still here. They've not gone away quite yet, though they

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good one. That dude was so annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go to my number three, my personal favorite Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>state running back of all time. And I came with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of running backs here in my list because

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<v Speaker 2>apparently my formula really liked running backs. But this running

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<v Speaker 2>back from my city such a skinny young fella that

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<v Speaker 2>he was nicknamed string Bean by his older brother, Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>Beanie Wells number twenty eight for the Buckeyes three and

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<v Speaker 2>zero against Michigan. Obviously he gets that ten percent Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>High School bonus, a Garfield legend of high school that

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<v Speaker 2>no longer exists here in Akron. Beannie was built for

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<v Speaker 2>this rivalry and he was just one of those dudes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more physical as the game goes on that run.

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<v Speaker 2>As a freshman, that fifty two yarder was to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes you have plays in this rivalry where

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<v Speaker 2>it's a young guy that is just gets you so

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<v Speaker 2>excited for the rest of his career. And when he

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<v Speaker 2>popped that one, it was like, we got a star.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a star. And to this day, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he is maybe the least talked about, most underrated Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>state back. So Beannie definitely number three on my list,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine for two twenty two and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>touchdowns I think in two thousand and seven and the

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<v Speaker 2>following year another.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred yarder.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just a total Michigan killer. He was such a load,

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<v Speaker 2>he was so nimble on it, his fees so fun

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<v Speaker 2>to watch, and he was a.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad, bad dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't want any of him.

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<v Speaker 4>That two thousand and six run.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember watching it at a buddy's house and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>probably eight or ten of us in the room and

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<v Speaker 1>he makes that spin move and he takes off and

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<v Speaker 1>the place just goes crazy because to me, I've wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote it at the time for the Ozone. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think that's the greatest run I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen because it just it came out of nowhere. He

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<v Speaker 1>made a guy miss, it's a huge game, gets to

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone, and that was we all knew he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be really, really, really good. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a five star running back one in the country. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean like beyond prototypical size, right, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>six two two twenty five and and looked I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I talked to him, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>he looked like a defensive end basically.

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<v Speaker 3>Tony and Tony, you were not looking up at him.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, you're right, No, you're right. But maybe he

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<v Speaker 4>had cleats on Tony's sixty five. If you guys do know.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigger than life, Beaty wells. I know he's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to make your list, but I never will. Mention to

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio Pittman, Oh yeah, for sealing the game in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, for going over one hundred yards in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, another very underrated dude.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop saying running backs in case one of them makes

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<v Speaker 1>your list that you still have yet to go my

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<v Speaker 1>number three, I guess I will go with I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go with Jim Harball here, and I don't have all

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<v Speaker 1>of his numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>I just know he predicted a win. Played well enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like back in those days, you complete eight of

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen passes and you rush for forty two yards and

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<v Speaker 1>you manage the game and you do well enough.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was he was just a pain.

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<v Speaker 1>He was annoying, he was he was mobile, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also I forget what year it was, it was an

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio stadium. There was a rule back then that if

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd was too loud, there would be a flag

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<v Speaker 1>thrown if the quarterback couldn't if the players couldn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback, they would you get the layup game. And

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<v Speaker 1>then after that there'd be like five yards. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I could have should have gone back and looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the box court to see how many times this was called.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like felt like three or four. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course the Ohio State crowd is going to be going

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and loud, and then Jim Harbar was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know everybody's like, can't hear, can't hear throw the flag?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>So like that sort of stuff, it's almost like there almost,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just it seems hmm. We hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>thought about that, but you might be onto something there.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jim Harbor number three on that list, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know if the audience is gonna like that selection, Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>My number two is look four and oh against Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>was mister J. T.

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<v Speaker 4>Barrett. And as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Quarterback, a pure quarterback, you know, I was certainly in

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<v Speaker 2>the camp towards the end of his career that I

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<v Speaker 2>was ready to get.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be a change. I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 3>some change.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't take away from him that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterback of those teams. And even though he struggled

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<v Speaker 2>mightily in twenty sixteen, like one hundred and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and five yards passing or something, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just not good, you know, he also had some good

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<v Speaker 2>ones too, led the Buckeyes to a comeback in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>and the four and oh is four and oh and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a great, great great buck guy, great leader. So

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<v Speaker 2>I got him at number two. Yeah, this is one

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<v Speaker 2>that he was. He was tough.

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<v Speaker 1>He went into that twenty seventeen game with a knee

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<v Speaker 1>that kept popping out, and and he just kept playing

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<v Speaker 1>until he could no longer play. And it's it was

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<v Speaker 1>so funny. It's hilarious to watch his knee pop out.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the last time it happens, it's like he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting up and he's trying to put it back in,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put it back in, and he's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going back in. And the fact that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to put it in and then just stay out

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<v Speaker 1>there is a testament to his will to win, his toughness,

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<v Speaker 1>his pain threshold, and of course his desire.

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<v Speaker 4>To beat Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had some very very good games, very big

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<v Speaker 1>plays against Michigan. And but like you said, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>around for so long, eventually you know you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say outgrow, You're welcome, but it's like, really,

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<v Speaker 1>people want to see something new, and they kept seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing with JT. Barry, and all it did

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<v Speaker 1>was as you said, four and oh against Michigan.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh hum.

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<v Speaker 1>Another honorable mention shout out to Carlos Hyde who had

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<v Speaker 1>two really good games against Michigan. Did he make your

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere on your top ten list or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>or he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was in my honorable mentions, which I have a few, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I'm with you, definitely with Los And also

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<v Speaker 2>what a really really fun underrated Ohio State running back.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure that we'll eventually do a show on that

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<v Speaker 1>the underrated running backs or underrated players, because man, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of good ones. Oh yeah, we're just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about one on the Buckey Insiders board the other

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<v Speaker 1>day about Raymond Harris, number thirty four, Carlos Hide number

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four as well. The number two player, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>number two player on my list is tim Biakabatuca. I

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<v Speaker 1>was there for this one. Three hundred and thirteen Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred thirteen yards on thirty seven carries, one touchdown,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just just relentless. And it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of fifty yarders. There was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a twelve yard or a thirteen yard, or a seven yard er,

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<v Speaker 1>an eight yard or a nine yard. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>imagine watching the two thousand and seven Illinois game and

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<v Speaker 1>Juice Williams just keeps picking up every like thirty seven times,

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<v Speaker 1>Juice Williams, That's what this felt like. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the end zone for this one as

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<v Speaker 1>a student with other Ohio State students, and we're just

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<v Speaker 1>just kept watching Tim Biakabatuca. It seemed like every every

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<v Speaker 1>drive was coming our way and you just it's like there.

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<v Speaker 4>Was nobody ever in front of him. It's like what

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<v Speaker 4>the world is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>That one was a frustrating one, but again another just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one hit wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not only like a one hit wonder, but

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<v Speaker 2>like I remember being like, who is this guy?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one thing when you gear up for the

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<v Speaker 2>game and you know, you know who their star players are,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, well, how are we gonna stop Desmond?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean? Like, who is it? Dude?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you say his name? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that was that was a tough watch, buddy. That

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<v Speaker 2>was one of those where you're just like a fire

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<v Speaker 2>everybody you all need to be fired, like you're.

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<v Speaker 3>All gone, But tough tough one there.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, everybody knows who Number one is, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the fact that everybody knows who Number one is

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<v Speaker 2>is so incredible in the history of this rival that

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<v Speaker 2>there somehow is a guy who is a definitive, unarguable

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Like that is what makes Troy Smith so

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<v Speaker 2>incredible and you know, the ultimate Michigan Killer. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if we'll ever see anything like it. The era

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<v Speaker 2>that it happened plays so much into it, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like retaking the dominance over in the rivalry.

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<v Speaker 3>The the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Stampede, Like when you see that in your head, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like chills. Obviously, we could run down his accomplishments.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know what he did and they were just

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<v Speaker 2>huge stakes games as well, like you know, the stakes

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<v Speaker 2>of the games, the era that it took place in.

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<v Speaker 2>You got the bonus Ohio football player in my stats.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it had everything. It had, It had theatric plays,

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<v Speaker 2>it had it all and just amazing, amazing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>How far away, Like how much of a lead did

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<v Speaker 1>he have over number two?

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<v Speaker 2>Huge for me for me, like personally, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a lot of this was done. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about you how you feel about this, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are so many times when we've done lists like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've done them before where J. T.

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<v Speaker 3>Barrett, Like, for instance, we had j T.

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<v Speaker 2>Barrett is the all time greatest player when we did

426
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<v Speaker 2>a statistical thing in one.

427
00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Of our stats. There are so many times when j T.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Barret is like this reluctant tree on a list that

429
00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I do. And it's not because I don't love the guy.

430
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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think he was a great player. And

431
00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.119
<v Speaker 2>there's so many great players that have played at Ohio State,

432
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:13.759
<v Speaker 2>great players, and.

433
00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Troy Smith and j T.

434
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Barrett, to me, there's a there's a massive, massive gap

435
00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:22.160
<v Speaker 2>between those two, even in their performances against Michigan and

436
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe in the I don't know the feel of those

437
00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Obviously there was a couple of big, big, big ones

438
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.920
<v Speaker 2>for JT. But just just Troy's era and everything about

439
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 2>it was it's unmatchable. It's unmatchable. But my first honorable

440
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.559
<v Speaker 2>mention would be Mike DAWs for a similar like the

441
00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:42.920
<v Speaker 2>era and what in what was going on and the

442
00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:47.160
<v Speaker 2>upset delivering on on Tressel's three hundred and ten days

443
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 2>speech and uh and Dass was a just a mad

444
00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.720
<v Speaker 2>dog that day, So Doss one of my honorable.

445
00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Mentionsdrelle Pryor got to play against the two thousand and eight,

446
00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:02.759
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, twenty ten, Michigan Wolverine. So he

447
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:04.400
<v Speaker 1>had some good games. He was three and zero, but

448
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.160
<v Speaker 1>he played against rich Rod, so it doesn't really only

449
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>count so much. But Troy Smith two thousand and four,

450
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>first year as a starter, half a year as a starter,

451
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:17.240
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty one yards passing one hundred and

452
00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 1>forty five yards rushing, and magical two thousand and five

453
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:25.319
<v Speaker 1>brought them down from brought them back from nine to

454
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.839
<v Speaker 1>down and like within the last five minutes throws for

455
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>three hundred yards, rushes for another thirty seven and a touchdown.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Then two thousand and six, the Game of the century

457
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>type thing, three hundred and sixteen yards passing four touchdowns

458
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 1>and was just incredible. And that's why when we did

459
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:47.759
<v Speaker 1>our quarterback show, it surprised me that he finished number

460
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.359
<v Speaker 1>two for both of us, behind Justin Fields, if I recall,

461
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and it was because of the Michigan stuff. So like

462
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, this stuff carries weight. And just as there

463
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>was a no doubter number one for Ohio State, there's

464
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<v Speaker 1>a no doubter or number one for Michigan, and that's

465
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<v Speaker 1>Charles Woodson, who even as a true freshman in nineteen

466
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:12.400
<v Speaker 1>ninety five, had an interception. He held Terry Glenn of

467
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 1>four catches for seventy two yards long of twenty five

468
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:17.839
<v Speaker 1>and that was the year Terry Glenn won the Buleetnikoff

469
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:24.160
<v Speaker 1>like seventeen touchdowns fifteen hundred yards and basically held to

470
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>half of his average in against Michigan. In that ninety

471
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:32.640
<v Speaker 1>five game, Woodson had two interceptions, seven tackles. In ninety six,

472
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>he had nine tackles, held David Boston to three catches

473
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<v Speaker 1>for sixty eight yards. One of those was a fifty

474
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 1>six yarder. Actually that was ninety seven when Boston had

475
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 1>that long catch and did the taunting, that was really

476
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the only play that he had. Woodson in that same

477
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.319
<v Speaker 1>game in ninety seven had a thirty seven yard catch,

478
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.599
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight yard punt return and also, oh yeah, an interception.

479
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 4>So like he was three and zero.

480
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Again, it's Ohio State in ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven,

481
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Key and all of those games. And it's crazy that

482
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>in ohioan so remove some of those bonus.

483
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Points negative ten bonus point.

484
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>But the contrast between him and like Desmond Howard broad

485
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 1>and broadcasting, I think is pretty star because I like

486
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Charles Woodson does not seem like a He's not trying

487
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.759
<v Speaker 1>to be a villain. He will be very matter of

488
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:30.839
<v Speaker 1>fact at times and it may not like it, but

489
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not playing a role. And he's one of the

490
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>great villains in this rivalry. But also I think commands

491
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of respect as well.

492
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 3>I'd have to agree.

493
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to agree he's certainly not someone like when

494
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I think of him, hatred comes to mind. And as

495
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>much as I try not to let like trolls get

496
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>under my skin, man Desmon Howard does it every time.

497
00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 3>It just it really really works. It really really works.

498
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean it goes to like me whining to myself,

499
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 2>like how does ESPN let him get away with this?

500
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:04.680
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

501
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Like, uh so, yeah, totally agree, clear number one, no

502
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:11.200
<v Speaker 2>doubt about it.

503
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 3>And I guess, I guess to my.

504
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Troy point, it's it's double crazy. There's a definitive number

505
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>one on both sides. Yeah, that is really that's really

506
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.079
<v Speaker 2>wild for all the great players on both sides of

507
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>it that have come through.

508
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

509
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 2>What is no surprise, of course, is that both of

510
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>them are from Ohio. Like, that's not a surprise at all.

511
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no doubt about that. How about Chick Harley for

512
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 3>an honorable honorable mention?

513
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh the the first Ohio state win and uh and

514
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the uh the compliment from from uh oh what the

515
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:49.079
<v Speaker 2>hell is this name? Tony, their their number, their first guy,

516
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>not Fritz.

517
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Chrysler the other other one.

518
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah.

519
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 2>There their first big time coach. I forget his name

520
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>is escaping me. Came over into the locker room afterwards

521
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to tell them what a what a stud field ghost,

522
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 2>fielding ghost, to tell everybody what a unbelievable player Chick

523
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Harley was in the Buckeyes first win, and that, you know,

524
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>was one of the biggest games in school history, maybe

525
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>the biggest game for certain to that point and probably

526
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 2>stayed that way for a long time. So definitely an

527
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>honorable mention to him as well as a j Hawk

528
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 2>who was three and oh as a guy who was

529
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a starter in the game and had some big time

530
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>games for sure, and then everything after that. You know,

531
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 2>obviously a ton of one hit wonders that that you

532
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>love their performance in that one year, but there's too

533
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:44.319
<v Speaker 2>many that had multi years to really put them up there.

534
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 2>So big Vern, but big Vern up.

535
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Michigan guy.

536
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one of the few him and him and

537
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Crenzel that did.

538
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Did some work. So that's what I got.

539
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I will say in terms of the being annoyed by

540
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Dosen Howard, that's a feature, not a bug. That's kind

541
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 1>of that's kind of the point. Moving to the present, then,

542
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 1>we we spent some time with some Michigan players in

543
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Whittingham at Big Ten media days, So I'm wondering

544
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>how you think the present tense of Michigan is going

545
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to go this year. I did think it was interesting

546
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Whittingham saying don't read too much into the spring

547
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:32.319
<v Speaker 1>game for Bryce Underwood because the offensive line was all

548
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 1>mixed up, And I get that, and sure, and that's

549
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 1>probably true, and we're not basing everything we see on

550
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 1>a spring game. It's just it was it was disappointing

551
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 1>that the guy that we saw in the spring was

552
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 1>the same guy that we saw in the season. But

553
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>when he says, you're going to see a lot of

554
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>what we did with Devin damp here last year. Dampier,

555
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback at Utah, rushed for like eight hundred yards

556
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 1>and they used him a lot in that way, and

557
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when you hear something like that, do

558
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you think that fits Bryce Underwood because he can run.

559
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.079
<v Speaker 4>But that's a lot of wear and tear.

560
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>So we'll start with the spring game comment that he made.

561
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>And I actually just did a whole show on those

562
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>two Underwood and in winning him that I just got

563
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>done recording because which I just had so many notes

564
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>from the two of them, listened to them, and that

565
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>one really stood out to me because Tony he brought

566
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it up. Nobody else brought it up. Nobody else said, boy,

567
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 2>he really sucked in the spring game. Like he brought

568
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>it up and said, look, I know this guy sucked

569
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.039
<v Speaker 2>in the spring game. But here's why the problem I have.

570
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 2>And it's true. We obviously know the spring game. We've

571
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 2>seen a ton of terrible performances from great players at

572
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State went on to have great seasons. The thing

573
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 2>is when you finished the year the way he finished

574
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 2>the year with a five to seven touchdown to interception ratio,

575
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>with your feet all over the place but up underneath

576
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>you when you're throwing the ball, and then we see

577
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>you after spring with now your new staff and your

578
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.480
<v Speaker 2>quarterback coach, and.

579
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 3>It looks the exact same.

580
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 2>That's when I have to start to wonder, maybe there

581
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 2>is more to this, And I just don't know how

582
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 2>much I believe that this guy is a guy that

583
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 2>is extremely fixable in his delivery and his mechanics and

584
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 2>if it's not something that like, when things just aren't perfect,

585
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>it just gets a little scrambled in his melon and

586
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 2>he just you know, he's all over the.

587
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Place he he is, and the launch angles and the

588
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>whether it's from, you know, and his shoulder angles, just

589
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 1>things are all over the place. And you know, we

590
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't stay at a holiday in express, but it's like

591
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>we've seen a lot of quarterbacks and what looks right

592
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and what doesn't and some of those passes.

593
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.279
<v Speaker 4>He's got a really strong arm, but the delivery.

594
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Will force some of those passes to float, and the

595
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 1>accuracy is not there, and footwork is kind of wonky.

596
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>But like I think, making him like a Devin Dampier,

597
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>and Devin damp Pier runs about ten times a game,

598
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.279
<v Speaker 1>ten twelve times a game, that will certainly make him

599
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 1>dangerous and he could absolutely put up you know, six

600
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.519
<v Speaker 1>to eight hundred yards rushing and throw for three thousand

601
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and twenty five hundred to three thousand.

602
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 4>I just don't know if he wants.

603
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 1>To do that in terms of that's how he views himself,

604
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>because he certainly views himself as a passer first who

605
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>can't run. But he ran about eighty sometimes last year

606
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>for three, three or four hundred yards, so it's there.

607
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know if he wants to do that

608
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 1>all game long, over the course of a season.

609
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 3>I I would agree. I think that.

610
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I'm winning him, that that's the best

611
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 2>that's the best way to win for me is too.

612
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, Michigan fans were irritated about last year Sharon

613
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Moore kind of reining him in, not letting him go

614
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>be a playmaker with his feet. He still ended up

615
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>when he rushed for about four hundred yards, same as

616
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>same as been and he should be rushing for more

617
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 2>yards than Mendoza.

618
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.000
<v Speaker 3>So I think that if.

619
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm winning him, and boy, he's staunchly defended that that

620
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 2>stance too, didn't he He was talking and saying, you know,

621
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're not running the quarterback, you're missing the boat

622
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>talking plus one. I mean he sounded like Irvan twenty

623
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 2>years ago. Yep uh, But you know, old habits die hard.

624
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know, and I do agree that Bryce

625
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 2>sees himself as more of a pocket passer, but I

626
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>think that's their best way to win, and if they can,

627
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 2>if they can get eight hundred yards out of him

628
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and he stays healthy, I think they'd be pretty dangerous.

629
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

630
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I agree, It's just defensive coordinators hate dealing with the

631
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>quarterback that can run, and it's just one more thing

632
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>to worry about. One of the things that Winningham said

633
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>also that a good running game will help. Yeah, for sure,

634
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 1>Rice under would a lot. And I like the pieces

635
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>that they've got there with Jordan Marshall and Savean Hyder.

636
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a pretty good one two punch. Oh yeah,

637
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 1>it might be the best one two punch in the

638
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Big ten. I mean, you've been looking at the Big ten.

639
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State. We like the Bo Jackson and Isaiah West,

640
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>but that one two punch in Michigan. I know Oregon

641
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.079
<v Speaker 1>likes theirs as well, and they've got they've got a

642
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>different kind of one two punch with Jordan Davison and

643
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 1>deer Hill. Yeah, deer Hill, who is lightning. Yeah, I

644
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 1>think there's there's some good ones. Do you think where

645
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 1>where is Michigan? Can they be that number one?

646
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 4>One? Two?

647
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 3>That's number one for me?

648
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

649
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 2>I think Savian Heider is you know, we talk a

650
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 2>lot about David Gabriel George recently, but to me, you know,

651
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:38.199
<v Speaker 2>I'd have taken David Gord's by by like I mean

652
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the I don't know the width of a dime over

653
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Savian Hider Like there, he is that good too, And

654
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>that was a huge acquisition by Tony Alford. And Jordan

655
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Marshall is a college back that I didn't really see

656
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>coming out of high school. I thought he'd be good.

657
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 2>He's better than I thought he'd be. But the two

658
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of those guys together, that's a load and a half

659
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 2>to deal with. Man, that is a load and a

660
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>half to deal with. And then if you've got Bryce

661
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.559
<v Speaker 2>now also involved in the running game, I mean, this

662
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 2>is just going to make the lanes and the winners

663
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and everything easier for him to throw the ball. And

664
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 2>he can do it when there's not a whole lot

665
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 2>going on, when things are like he needs it to

666
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>be a little easier, I think. And now I think

667
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>we're talking if they got an offensive line that's clicking

668
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>a pretty dangerous, a pretty dangerous unit with obviously, and

669
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>he's now got a quarterback coach. Okay, he's got Koy

670
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Detmer coaching him. This is a huge, huge thing compared

671
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to let's be honest, Tony. I mean, I just now

672
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.119
<v Speaker 2>after all this, looking back, like I thought it at

673
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the time that the coaching staff at Michigan under Searan

674
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Moore was such a huge drop back from Jim Harbaugh,

675
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.599
<v Speaker 2>But now I almost think it was totally incompetent. And

676
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>we really looked at this kid as a freshman playing

677
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>without a quarterbacks coach a thirteen million It's crazy to me,

678
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 2>when was he getting instruction, you know what I mean.

679
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 3>So with this now I think that.

680
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>It's just so much that it's just got to be

681
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, when we look at the talent and the roster,

682
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 2>we are now seeing how much of a difference coaches

683
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>make when they come in and the roster's talented, how

684
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>much they can really turn it around faster, improve it fast,

685
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 2>like faster than we've ever seen. So I think we

686
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>could really see a pretty a pretty powerful offense out

687
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>of them this year potentially.

688
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're still trying to find their five best

689
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 1>offensive linemen, and Winningham said they've got nine or ten

690
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 1>guys that they think can do it, and one of

691
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.800
<v Speaker 1>those guys will be Andrew Babalola, the freshman who was

692
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>hurt last year. But they really really like in terms of,

693
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, how is he learning to play quarterback? You

694
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 1>can watch things and learn anything on YouTube. Now they

695
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>change the light bulb, fix a flat play quarterback. And

696
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 1>then you said you didn't see Jordan Marshall coming. You

697
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 1>didn't see that happening. Neither did Tony Alfred or else.

698
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 1>He probably would have recruited him harder at Ohio State,

699
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>So you know, fortunate there. Receiver wise, Andrew marsh is great.

700
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I think he's gonna be a thousand yard receiver. JJ

701
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.559
<v Speaker 1>B Caannon that they got from Utah is six three

702
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>two fifteen hybrid receiver tight end that I think could

703
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of damage in the slot, kind of

704
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like Colston Loveland did for them. Jamie French comes over

705
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 1>from Texas, hasn't done anything yet, so it's like I

706
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of view him. I get like Milon Graham basically,

707
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>where it's you know, there's recruiting rankings and potential and

708
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame's excited about him. Ohio State wanted him back

709
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 1>at a price. Texas had to let some people go.

710
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not expecting much from Jamie French this year.

711
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>I think the other two guys that I mentioned are

712
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>going to be pretty darn good.

713
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Though, with you on the other two, Jamie French, to me,

714
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Man is a knucklehead and I don't see him ever

715
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 2>doing much of anything.

716
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>So no, I'm not seeing that.

717
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Bryce's best friend, he said, is Jamie French,

718
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 2>So it all just kind of nits for me.

719
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>All well, I mean, if your best friend is the quarterback,

720
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe you will be more busy as a receiver.

721
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 4>It's not a bad thing.

722
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Defensively, Kyle Whatdingham talked about the defensive line that he likes.

723
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>He's got five defensive ends and defensive he said, yeah, Well,

724
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean like Carter Meadows, who just us five star

725
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>defensive end, just came in in June and they think

726
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.599
<v Speaker 1>he can play right away. It's rare for a guy

727
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 1>to come in late and then be somebody that plays

728
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>right away. J T tw a Moloau did it. Maybe

729
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Carter Meadows will do it, and he might be starting

730
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>out as their number five guy John Henry Daily coming

731
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>back coming over from Utah following an achilles tear last year.

732
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 4>Is he can to be.

733
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Going on right away. Generally people don't. But they've got

734
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>other guys. The defensive line seems like they've always always

735
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>got guys. It's when they're special. And when they're special,

736
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, really good is when they have NFL first rounders,

737
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and too early to know if they've got those this year.

738
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 3>For me, yeah, i'd say, I'd say I'm with you.

739
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that, uh, I would lean towards John Henter

740
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Daily is a pretty impactful guy this year. But you know,

741
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>when we're talking about an injury like that, it's just

742
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 2>a guess.

743
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:36.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, we just don't know.

744
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>But a hell of a competitor and uh he's an

745
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 2>incredibly strong, super competitive, all the stuff man, all the things.

746
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>He's got, all the right stuff. I would love if

747
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 2>he was a Buckeye. But they got one in him.

748
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>And then Carter come in he said he's up to

749
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>two fifty five now and he's a pretty pretty special

750
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>specimen of a dude. Obviously, the Buck guys missing out

751
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>on that recruitment and Luke Wayful within a month of

752
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 2>each other, which was a big, a big deal and

753
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of talk as he goes to Michigan, wayful

754
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>to USC and the buck guys get them back in

755
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the class of twenty twenty seven.

756
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 3>But we're looking at some really.

757
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Powerful, top tier edge rushers coming into the Big Ten

758
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 2>that I don't think we're used to seeing these kinds

759
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>come to the Big Ten. As Oregon brings in Rashad

760
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Streets as well, Like we've got some some of the

761
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 2>dudes we're used to seeing, like playing at Alabama and

762
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Georgia now in the Big Ten.

763
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 3>And it's pretty interesting.

764
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.280
<v Speaker 1>You know the back seven or back six or how

765
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>in back seven, back eight for Michigan, they've got new linebackers,

766
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Troy Bowles returns. Yeah, they've got some transfers coming in

767
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and they've got a corner. They've got the returning corners.

768
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 4>They bring in.

769
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>A corner from from Utah to maybe be the the

770
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>nickel a little bit. The safety's Rod more should be

771
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>should is good to go. Rod Morrison. He's feeling better

772
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 1>than he has in years. But as Kyle Whittingham said,

773
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 1>that's a relative term. Bring in another treat transfer safety.

774
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>They've got a lot of transfers and not from big

775
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 1>schools per se, from smaller schools that they're going to

776
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.679
<v Speaker 1>be relying on this year in the back end of

777
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:23.039
<v Speaker 1>their defense. And I've never been blown away by jay

778
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Ra Hill or Zeke Barry at corner. Jerry Hill's good.

779
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 1>He's not Will Johnson. He's not like some of the

780
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:34.559
<v Speaker 1>really good corners of the past. In my opinion, Like,

781
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that there's much to make of their defense.

782
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And the name escapes me of the nickel that they

783
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>brought over from Utah. But he ranked like uh bottom

784
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>ten PFF and miss tackle right like last year. So

785
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 1>that's something that he's got to get better at. Like overall,

786
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I think it starts up front, and if everything's good upfront,

787
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that's great. The back the back of the defense, I

788
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 1>just you know, I'm very very much wait and see.

789
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 3>I feel the same.

790
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.079
<v Speaker 2>The linebackers is where I'd be probably most concerned. I

791
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't see a whole lot of anything. Like

792
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.599
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about Nathaniel Ewosa Battang, who was you know,

793
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 2>in last year's class, being a guy that I think

794
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>that the Michigan fans voted him like they did a

795
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 2>thing where they said who's the most important player of

796
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the year at two four seven on the Michigan site,

797
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and he was number fifteen ahead of all the rest

798
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>of their linebackers.

799
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 3>He had played seventy snaps last year. Yeah, I mean bulls.

800
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Todd Bowle's son, like he was a really good recruit,

801
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 2>went to Georgia, was not good and didn't fit in

802
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.760
<v Speaker 2>at Georgia and before he transferred to Michigan, Like, I

803
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 2>just don't see a whole lot of anything at linebacker.

804
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>No, and they're gonna play a bunch of four two

805
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>five and Ope and the nickel back that I have

806
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 1>trouble with Smith Snowden coming over from Utah when there's

807
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>just like not a lot returning and like I said,

808
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 1>just some smaller school guys coming in and certainly some

809
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 1>questions there special teams.

810
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 4>Who knows.

811
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure they'll be fine, but some questions about

812
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the Michigan defense. I do think they the offense, they

813
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 1>could just lean on that running game and.

814
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:16.639
<v Speaker 4>Open it up through play action.

815
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 1>So that would be interesting to watch the schedule, though,

816
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, road games at Ohio State and Oregon seem

817
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>like those should be two losses. I see Oregon beating

818
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 1>them in ann Arbor, that's three losses. They could perhaps

819
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>beat Oklahoma, they should beat Oklahoma. But I'm really interested

820
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to see what happens when Indiana comes to town because

821
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that one, that one will basically tell me as Indiana

822
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>surpassed Michigan for the foreseeable future, or was just are

823
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>they on the same level?

824
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Such an interesting game. I felt the same way as

825
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I was just talking about this, Like I said, like

826
00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>that one right there represents so much more than just game.

827
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>If they I mean, if Indiana could go into there

828
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 2>and beat them, it almost feels like a bit of

829
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a changing of the guard in the order of supremacy

830
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Big Ten.

831
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 3>So they're obviously going to be scrapping for it.

832
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Do they get one win between their big four games

833
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>of Oklahoma, Indiana at Oregon, at Ohio State.

834
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Can they win one of those?

835
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>For if they do, they can go nine and three

836
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and be a bubble team. If they can't, or they

837
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 2>can't win those other games that they should, that they'll

838
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 2>they'll be favored in the rest of them. Then I

839
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.320
<v Speaker 2>think it's a very unsuccessful first year after a nine

840
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and three season with a horrific coaching staff.

841
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, and really the most likely win is Oklahoma, which

842
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>probably does the least for them in the playoff picture.

843
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>They'd want to win against one of the Big ten

844
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>teams that are going to be more likely to be

845
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs. I do think that might be a

846
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a shootout with Oklahoma John Mattier running

847
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 1>around and doing his thing and Bryce Underwood running around

848
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.039
<v Speaker 1>doing his thing. Gotta be a fun one, but I

849
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much we will be watching it as

850
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 1>we're getting ready for the Texas game. Yeah, moving moving

851
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to the recruiting side of things, the future of Michigan football.

852
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>You've got Kyle Whittingham having to do something that he's

853
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:28.519
<v Speaker 1>never done, and that's recruit at a high level. I mean,

854
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and be expected to recruit at a high level. And

855
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>he's a nice guy and all of this and money

856
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.119
<v Speaker 1>can do a lot for you, and then we know

857
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that for sure, But you're not in Utah anymore. You

858
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>can't operate like you're in Utah. You can't also just

859
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 1>let the money can and happen because you still have

860
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to build relationships. So you've got some holdovers and you've

861
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>got some you know, from the assistant coaches, and you've

862
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>got new assistant coaches. But overall, like this is a

863
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 1>class that he's inherited, essentially twenty twenty seven class, and

864
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.519
<v Speaker 1>it's not great. I think like eighteenth right now. But

865
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>he has to do something like I said, he's never

866
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>done before, and it's he's operated on development and talent recognition.

867
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Like I see this guy and in four years he'll

868
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>be able to play. You can't do that. There's no

869
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 1>four years he'll be able to play. You've got to

870
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:27.760
<v Speaker 1>find guys and go get guys and work hard to

871
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 1>go get them. And this is a head coach who

872
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 1>stepped away, and so now it's like you've got to

873
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:35.519
<v Speaker 1>restart it.

874
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 4>Is it still there? Is he ready to go?

875
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 1>We know he's he's younger than his age, I'll say that,

876
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 1>but also can he keep up with everybody in all

877
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.119
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that need keeping up.

878
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I gotta tell you, Tony, when he said the other

879
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.960
<v Speaker 2>day that he was so re energized, I mean, I'm

880
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 2>just like this guy was reminding me of like the

881
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden memes, Like I what was he like before

882
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 2>he was re energized. I don't know, but he's always

883
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:05.599
<v Speaker 2>been kind of chill.

884
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:06.239
<v Speaker 3>I get that.

885
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>But when I look at whitting him, and I look

886
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 2>at the last five years, like they've played BYU three times,

887
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 2>lost all three times to BYU in four of those

888
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>five years. The first four lost twenty total games in

889
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 2>those four years. Three of them or four of them,

890
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.000
<v Speaker 2>they were all in the PAC twelve. Then in the

891
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve, No, three of them were in the Pac twelve.

892
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Then in the Big twelve the first year they lost

893
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 2>seven games. Then last year the only one of those

894
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>five years out of the last five that they had

895
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.800
<v Speaker 2>a good year was last year. So like, what Kyle

896
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Whittingham are we talking about here? What Kyle Whittingham program

897
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:46.159
<v Speaker 2>were talking about? Here?

898
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.159
<v Speaker 3>Were talking about peak.

899
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Whittingham, because he has not been that in the

900
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 2>past five years. And what have we been dealing with

901
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>in the past five years. A whole different way of football, tone,

902
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a whole different way of roster construction. So I'm supposed

903
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to believe now he's gonna go up here and just

904
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 2>get it all right. When he's doing something like he's

905
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:08.960
<v Speaker 2>never done before, I hesitate. I hesitate to see the

906
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>roster construction coming together smoothly here and to your point,

907
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>he's never recruited at a high level like this. You know,

908
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I look at him and I look at Matt cambll

909
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and I'm seeing a lot of the same. Like, you know,

910
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:25.039
<v Speaker 2>two top one hundred players at Michigan. That's not good enough, man,

911
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just not good enough. Like you need to be

912
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>in the big time battles like the Carter Meadows, like

913
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the Saveingon Hyder. They're not in on any of them.

914
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Why is that, I don't know. I can't answer that question.

915
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>But they got themselves a five star kicker committed in

916
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight, sorry at IMG

917
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 2>big one for him.

918
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you look at the I think it's the

919
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:52.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty seven class right now, and they've got two

920
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 1>of the top ten players in Michigan committed in twenty

921
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, which is the same number as Oregon. Yeah,

922
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 1>and they've got two of the top eleven through twenty

923
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 1>They've got two of those guys.

924
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 4>And so this isn't about.

925
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>A shallow state, a shallow class where it's like, well,

926
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.199
<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, sometimes there are only two of

927
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 1>the top ten that you need in the state of Michigan.

928
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>That's not necessarily the case this year, and so it's like, yeah,

929
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>you've got to you understand, losing a head coach that's

930
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.159
<v Speaker 1>going to create issues with the recruiting class. So then

931
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 1>he's got to pick up those pieces and not only

932
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>just pick them up, but turn them into something that

933
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like it's been glued together and taped together.

934
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you've got to make it. You've got to

935
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 1>make it brand new. And I just I have concerns

936
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>about that and his ability to do that. And when

937
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:48.079
<v Speaker 1>when you're Matt Campbell still recruiting like you're at Iowa State,

938
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.840
<v Speaker 1>if Kyle Whittingham does the same thing, it's gonna be

939
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a mistake. We were talking on the drive to Chicago

940
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>or the drive back. Rich Rod did the same thing.

941
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 1>He was recruiting like he was at West Virginia, and

942
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that or else. Those are the programs

943
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.519
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to be competing. If you're competing against

944
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 1>them and recruiting, that's the level that you're going to

945
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>be competing on the on the field, you're gonna be

946
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.639
<v Speaker 1>as good as those programs, and being Utah is not

947
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 1>good enough in the Big Ten. If you're Michigan and

948
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 1>being Iowa State, sure as hell not good enough in

949
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the Big ten if that's Penn State. And I'm with

950
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 1>you both those guys I have concerns about. With winning him,

951
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 1>it's like the best probably of a bad situation. But

952
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 1>how long is he going to be around? What kind

953
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.559
<v Speaker 1>of transition does that then create? Is there a coach

954
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 1>and waiting where that coach then does more in terms

955
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of the recruiting and the coach and coach and waiting

956
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>never works? So do you avoid that entirely? Probably? And

957
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'm sure Kyle Whittingham wants nothing to do

958
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 1>with the coach and waiting because he just came from

959
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 1>one and exactly so the transition to him and then

960
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:03.480
<v Speaker 1>from him, if it's like all in the span of

961
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 1>five or six years, you're talking about a bunch of

962
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 1>classes that are going to be impacted by a questionable

963
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 1>recruiting attack, and certainly one that's going to suffer from

964
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:15.920
<v Speaker 1>all of the changes.

965
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:17.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I.

966
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Think what we're really gonna learn a lot next year,

967
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 2>like the class of twenty twenty eight, like you said,

968
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of this that Hey was already in

969
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.199
<v Speaker 2>the barn a lot of the relationships were already made,

970
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.559
<v Speaker 2>and they did do a good job on a couple

971
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.119
<v Speaker 2>of guys close in. I think the interesting thing when

972
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>we talk about money is how they really thought that

973
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the Larry Ellison Billions were just going to really be

974
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.639
<v Speaker 2>funding this roster from Bryce Underwood on and it feels

975
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>like that was really just kind of a one time

976
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.480
<v Speaker 2>deal for him for his girlfriend was a shiny new quarterback.

977
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you look at that twenty twenty eight class.

978
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.519
<v Speaker 1>You've got Donald to Brown, five star quarterback from Detroit

979
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 1>cast Tech, who right now is maybe penciled in to

980
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Texas A and M. And it seems like if you're

981
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 1>throwing money at quarterbacks that he would be the sensible

982
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 1>next guy in yep, you know, from Bryce Underwood to him,

983
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 1>and maybe there's a transition guy in there, Tommy Carr

984
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, but I don't even doesn't seem

985
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.079
<v Speaker 1>to be much there. And losing an in state guy

986
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like that and they've got another, They've got other, you know,

987
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.440
<v Speaker 1>top one hundred type guys in state as well, and

988
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>it's still very early, but I'm interested to see what

989
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of strides he makes in state, because Michigan is

990
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 1>not a bad state. There's there's always five guys that

991
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a Michigan can use and what is going to be

992
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 1>their success rate? Their hit rate with those guys moving forward,

993
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it would be good to see them

994
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:01.400
<v Speaker 1>get somebody committed here. I guess maybe within the first

995
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>two months of the season with some visits coming and

996
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, unofficial visits of course with twenty twenty eight guys.

997
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:11.800
<v Speaker 1>But like Oregon in USC don't have any commits yet

998
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty eight. So it's like, you can't panic

999
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 1>because you know they're going to be just fine. I

1000
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 1>still would you know, I guess it's too early to

1001
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>get too concerned about Michigan. But until we see something

1002
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 1>more from Kyle Whittingham, it's like, what what is the baseline?

1003
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 1>It can't be overcome it. It can't be confidence, let

1004
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>alone over confidence.

1005
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:34.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1006
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And to be honest, I would have expected a

1007
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 2>little more energy with the new coach coming in and

1008
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.360
<v Speaker 2>him being such a you know, a coach with such

1009
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 2>a resume.

1010
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 3>And I don't.

1011
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.440
<v Speaker 2>And we know they do have money, but they're not

1012
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>firing like they were with that top five, top six class.

1013
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 2>So it's gonna be interesting to see for twenty eight

1014
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 2>for sure. But I think my gut instinct is we're

1015
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 2>not gonna see We're gonna see a little bit of regression.

1016
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they recruited pretty good under Sharon Moore. They

1017
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 2>that for the for all the mess that they had.

1018
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Ultimately we'll see their evaluations. But you know, as far

1019
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 2>as recruiting, they did well, they did pretty well well.

1020
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and in twenty twenty six they were twelve,

1021
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and they've had some good classes. I just wonder if

1022
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.159
<v Speaker 1>now top six in the right and so like I

1023
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 1>wonder in the twenty twenty seven class right now, I

1024
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 1>was like eighteen. It feels like eighteen might be the

1025
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 1>water level I think moving forward until they get more

1026
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:42.199
<v Speaker 1>aggressive and we'll see what happens with all of these

1027
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 1>retention pool and all of that and where all of

1028
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 1>the money is. But I don't see them recruiting like

1029
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>they did in the brief period with Searan Moore. But

1030
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 1>then Michigan has never been an elite recruiting school. They've

1031
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.920
<v Speaker 1>always been eight to fifteen something like that, and they've

1032
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>existed just fine with their ten to eight wins a

1033
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:09.800
<v Speaker 1>year as we've grown accustomed to them. So the recruiting

1034
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 1>has been commencer kind of with the success, and sometimes

1035
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the graph goes a little high for who knows why,

1036
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 1>but anything else before we call it a day.

1037
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean looking into looking into the future. If

1038
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I was a Michigan fan, I think I would feel really,

1039
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.679
<v Speaker 2>really lucky that you got Whittingham to kind of level

1040
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>things off and you don't need to maybe clean it

1041
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:41.559
<v Speaker 2>up and maybe be proud of the program, remove yourself

1042
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 2>from the delusion that you've been going through for the

1043
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 2>past couple of years. And it's going to be some

1044
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 2>traditional Michigan football that you know, who doesn't love traditional

1045
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Michigan football like it's it's the kind of football they

1046
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>love to see.

1047
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of football like most of us love to

1048
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 3>see too. And I think that they'll be pretty good

1049
00:55:58.880 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 3>at it.

1050
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>But as far as competing, you know, being a winning

1051
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 2>playoff team, I don't think we're going to see that

1052
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.760
<v Speaker 2>underwinning him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, And yeah, now I'm just wondering if the next

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<v Speaker 1>coach will the timing fit for Bob Chesney, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to be at UCLA in four years,

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume, and I'd say Kyle whitting Him probably

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<v Speaker 1>gets at least three years to do what he's gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do wonder if at some point it's clear

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<v Speaker 1>that Bob Chesney is leaving due to some success, if

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan is like, Kyle, thank you for your service, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna move on, and we're going to go make

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to go land Bob Chesney, who is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the I think the future stars of the business.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fantastic spot to be in if you're Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>if he's if winning, him's winning you eight nine to

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<v Speaker 2>ten games, well nine ten games a year and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of sitting there waiting for your pickoff point

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<v Speaker 2>for that next dude. It's a really good spot to

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<v Speaker 2>be in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>The next head coach of Michigan football Bob Chesney currently

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<v Speaker 1>at UCLA. That's not tampering, that's just speculation. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are your thoughts who is the next head

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<v Speaker 1>coach of Michigan. How is Michigan to be going to

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<v Speaker 1>be recruiting? Just your thoughts on some of the villains

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<v Speaker 1>and the killers in this Rivalry'd be interested to hear

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<v Speaker 1>you guys thoughts on YouTube and of course five star

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<v Speaker 1>rating review on the audio side is always appreciated, and

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<v Speaker 1>that will do it for this episode of the Time

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<v Speaker 1>and Change will Shirley Show. I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 1>all for tuning in and we will talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>guys later