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Speaker 3: There all right, welcome. Well, we haven't talked theology in
Speaker 3: a while, have we. We've talked a lot about goofy things.
Speaker 3: I've been a lot of goofy videos, but we haven't
Speaker 3: gotten into one of these kind of deeper theological streams
Speaker 3: in a while. And these are not the easiest, they're
Speaker 3: not the most popular. We know, the hardcore Jason Elsi's
Speaker 3: fans enjoy them, and I want to thank you guys
Speaker 3: for tagging along for being here. Actually, I wasn't really
Speaker 3: planning on doing a theological stream, and then the more
Speaker 3: I thought about it, the more I thought, no, let's
Speaker 3: do that, because that's ultimately that's what matters. But so
Speaker 3: I was listing different things that everybody's kind of talking about,
Speaker 3: all the stuff that people are worried about. I'm goind
Speaker 3: of surprised more evangelicals aren't freaking out thinking it's the
Speaker 3: end of the world. But then again, I guess they
Speaker 3: think that QAnon is gonna save everybody or whatever. So
Speaker 3: I want to talk about prophecies anti christ. I want
Speaker 3: to talk about that kind of stuff. What the Patristic
Speaker 3: view is how there's actually solutions in the Orthodox canon
Speaker 3: of scripture that you're missing in the other canon's descripture.
Speaker 3: Now that's not to say that everybody in the other
Speaker 3: traditions gets everything wrong. They don't. But I think that
Speaker 3: you got two big things that you get in Orthodoxy
Speaker 3: that are big aids to this that you don't find
Speaker 3: in like Protestant groups, and that's the Church Fathers and
Speaker 3: the liturgy. The Church Fathers and the liturgy become key
Speaker 3: aids to help us interpret the because of the Bible
Speaker 3: itself is part of a liturgical tradition. It's part of
Speaker 3: a tradition of daily readings in the ancient Church, and
Speaker 3: the fact that they were part of those daily readings
Speaker 3: is partly how we know what the Canona Scripture is,
Speaker 3: as we've shown in many of the lectures and talks.
Speaker 3: So we have to be aware of this and understand
Speaker 3: that the liturgy is a accumulation of centuries of wisdom
Speaker 3: of the Church. Now, the reason we put such a
Speaker 3: strong belief and emphasis in the visible Church is because
Speaker 3: Christ promised to a historic visible group of people that
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit would be with that group to lead
Speaker 3: it and guide it into truth and protect it from error.
Speaker 3: It would not be overcome by error. Doesn't mean there
Speaker 3: won't be squabbles, there won't be periods where there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people who believe error. But in Toto, the
Speaker 3: Church will never at any point be completely consumed by era.
Speaker 3: There will always be solid orthodox or right believing bishops
Speaker 3: in the world, and faithful by extension, even in periods
Speaker 3: of mass apostasy. So we're gonna get into some of
Speaker 3: these kind of tough issues tonight and some of the
Speaker 3: tough doctrines that bug a lot of people, and hopefully
Speaker 3: I can cover this in a profitable way. There's a
Speaker 3: specific article I want to bring out that a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't know about. Actually, actually there's two, so
Speaker 3: maybe I should bring both of these up. We'll get
Speaker 3: to that later. But so the first one that we
Speaker 3: want to talk about is if you've listened to the
Speaker 3: totality of the Genesis li which we completed all those
Speaker 3: we got all through the entirety of Genesis, and then
Speaker 3: you heard the important prophecy in Genesis forty nine, which
Speaker 3: is the prediction of when the Messiah would come, and
Speaker 3: when this prediction is given Jacob prophesies something very specific
Speaker 3: that is a key indicator that would let the people
Speaker 3: of Israel know that their Messiah had come. That key
Speaker 3: indicator is Genesis forty nine ten or eleven. It says,
Speaker 3: who will rouse him? The scepter will not depart from Judah,
Speaker 3: nor a lawgiver from between his loins until Shiloh comes,
Speaker 3: and unto him will be the expectation of the nations.
Speaker 3: He will bind his cult to a vine, and his
Speaker 3: donkey's cult to its branch. He will wash his garments
Speaker 3: in wine his blood, and his clothes with the blood
Speaker 3: of grapes. His eyes are gladden from the vine from
Speaker 3: the wine, and his teeth are whiter than milk. This is,
Speaker 3: of course, of course, one of the classic Messianic prophecies,
Speaker 3: and so we know, I mean, even in the Jewish tradition,
Speaker 3: this is a Messianic prophety. I mean, they don't believe
Speaker 3: that it was Christ obviously, but it's pretty well known
Speaker 3: as a Messianic prophecy. What's the first thing that we're
Speaker 3: told is that the scepter, that is royal lineage, is
Speaker 3: not going to depart from the house and tribe of Judah.
Speaker 3: The law will be ex explicated and enforced by a
Speaker 3: logover in some way until Shiloh, until Messiah comes, and
Speaker 3: when he comes, he will be the expectation of the gentiles. Again,
Speaker 3: one of the great key indicators that we've covered many,
Speaker 3: many times all throughout the Old Testament is that when
Speaker 3: the Messiah comes, the gentiles will repent and turn to
Speaker 3: the God of Israel over and over and over in
Speaker 3: the Psalms, and the major prophets and the minor prophets,
Speaker 3: over and over and over and over, and even back
Speaker 3: in Genesis. Early in Genesis the prediction not just here,
Speaker 3: but realize that Jacob. All Jacob's doing is summarizing what
Speaker 3: is in the Abrahamic Covenant, the promise that when the
Speaker 3: Messiah comes, he would be the expectation. He would bless
Speaker 3: all the tribes and families and nations of the earth.
Speaker 3: And keep in mind in this time and this put
Speaker 3: your mindset in their mindset. I mean, this just seems crazy, right,
Speaker 3: It seems how in the world could God fulfill that?
Speaker 3: How could see somebody who's the seat of Abraham bless
Speaker 3: all the nations and turn these nations to the true God.
Speaker 3: How that's crazy? That's never going to happen. These people
Speaker 3: they worship, you know, demons and sticks and rocks and
Speaker 3: but and even Israel falls into worshiping holes in numbers
Speaker 3: bail Pure, the Lord of open holes. And that is
Speaker 3: exactly what you think. That's exactly what it is. Yes,
Speaker 3: the ancient Kroleian rites of but the butt liturgy. Now
Speaker 3: a few verses later, this is as Joseph is prophesying
Speaker 3: about each of the tribes of Israel what their future
Speaker 3: will be. Now, these prophecies oftentimes have a double fulfillment,
Speaker 3: so in one sense, the historical fulfillment is clearly about
Speaker 3: the tribe of Judah. Here that Judah will have a lineage,
Speaker 3: Judah will be the royal lineage. He's predicting the tribe
Speaker 3: of Judah would be the tribe that would be the
Speaker 3: royal lineage. That happened, Right, we know that in the
Speaker 3: time of the kings, right, David descends from this lineage.
Speaker 3: David is of the tribe of Judah. And we know
Speaker 3: that in the time of the kings you have the
Speaker 3: division of the kingdom. Right, Jereboma and Raybauam, the sons
Speaker 3: of Solomon have a schism within Israel, and you have
Speaker 3: the evil Northern kings who are all bad, and then
Speaker 3: you have the Southern tribe, which is the legitimate place
Speaker 3: of worship, the legitimate kings in the tribe of Judah,
Speaker 3: where the tabernacle on the temple are lawfully placed. They
Speaker 3: have a few, right, There's Josiah, there's David, but they
Speaker 3: have a lot of bad ones too. But Israel is
Speaker 3: really bad. I mean, Israel becomes the term for the
Speaker 3: northern tribes and the southern tribe Judah. Right, So what's
Speaker 3: amazing about this prophecy, first of all, is that there
Speaker 3: will be a royal lineage all the way until Messiah comes,
Speaker 3: implying that the will depart after that. So you will
Speaker 3: know when the Messiah comes when there's no more dividic kings.
Speaker 3: There are no more dividic kings. There haven't been divided
Speaker 3: kings in two thousand years. Okay. We're not here to
Speaker 3: talk about debate. We're not debating genetics in here. That's
Speaker 3: not what this topic is about. We're here to talk
Speaker 3: about old the biblical theology. Okay, So we're not going
Speaker 3: to get into these debates about this stuff anyway. This
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with Ashkenazi stuff. We're not debating that.
Speaker 3: So there's an interesting prophecy though after this, which, by
Speaker 3: the way, let me add that this shows you that
Speaker 3: God is not inherently opposed to monarchy, because this is
Speaker 3: a prediction of a monarchy. This is a prediction of
Speaker 3: a royal scepter in the royal lineage through David. And
Speaker 3: so this dumb argument that people have by the time
Speaker 3: that we get to judges, who judges is the treatise
Speaker 3: against the moner because they had they had judges. The
Speaker 3: book says that because there's no king in Israel, everybody
Speaker 3: did what was right in their own eyes. It's an
Speaker 3: anti judges treatise. The whole Book of Judges is a
Speaker 3: treatise for monarchy. So it's just really kind of idiotic
Speaker 3: when people think that, oh, the bibbles against Mourner, No,
Speaker 3: it's not. Jesus is the king of kings, so it's
Speaker 3: not against monarchy. There are warnings, right, What does Samuel
Speaker 3: warn everybody? He says, if you ask for the king,
Speaker 3: he says, it's gonna be bad for you. Why is
Speaker 3: it going to be bad. He's gonna take your daughters,
Speaker 3: He's gonna take your h O. E s's make them
Speaker 3: make them h O. Yes, why because of the institution itself? No,
Speaker 3: because he says, you guys want a king after the nations.
Speaker 3: What did the Pagans around Israel do? They worshiped their kings.
Speaker 3: They viewed their kings, their warrior lord or lord kings.
Speaker 3: They viewed them as semi divine or divine. All right.
Speaker 3: The ancient inscriptions of the coins of Caesar they call
Speaker 3: Caesar the son of God. The pagan kings always foisted
Speaker 3: themselves upon their masses as divine or semi divine. Pharaoh
Speaker 3: is the apex between heaven and Earth. That's why it's
Speaker 3: a pyramid, right, So if you're if you're familiar with this,
Speaker 3: this is pretty common. So in ancient Egyptian metaphysics, this
Speaker 3: is the this world, this is the earth. It's a pyramid.
Speaker 3: At the top here is Pharaoh, and he is the
Speaker 3: meeting point, the bridge between heaven and Earth. And that's
Speaker 3: why he's at the top of the pyramid, because he
Speaker 3: is the tarnate. You can say raw. He's raw on
Speaker 3: earth in human incarnation, not in a biblical sense. He's
Speaker 3: not incarnate like the Son of God or something like
Speaker 3: that in the Egyptian metaphysic, it's more like pantheism. Everything
Speaker 3: is God, but not you. You're just like lower down
Speaker 3: on that pyramid. Really, it's they that's good, not you. Right,
Speaker 3: hold on, I'm gonna race this race board, all right.
Speaker 3: So h and by the way, I've got you. In
Speaker 3: my Ancient Metaphysics talks, we cover that all that Egyptian
Speaker 3: metaphysics and whatnot. You can you'll find those old talks.
Speaker 3: They're they're pretty old, they are time tested. You can
Speaker 3: find those. So we have this prediction of when the
Speaker 3: Messiah would be more and there will be signs that
Speaker 3: a company it. The signs would be that there would
Speaker 3: no longer be a royal house, a royal lineage. The
Speaker 3: Gentiles will begin to convert and guess what this happened?
Speaker 3: When did this happen? When did the scepter depart from Judah? Well,
Speaker 3: in seventy a d. There was a very important event
Speaker 3: that happened, and it was the destruction of the Temple
Speaker 3: in Jerusalem. So now we want to look at one
Speaker 3: of the key texts that shows us this, and we
Speaker 3: want to stress this because this is very important for
Speaker 3: vindicating the Bible when we have done theology. When we
Speaker 3: are idiots and get this wrong, we undermine our own
Speaker 3: view and our own coherency, our own worldview, our own
Speaker 3: proof texts. And I'm going to show you that this
Speaker 3: is the Patristic view. I mean, maybe a lot of
Speaker 3: you don't know this, but this is a common mistake
Speaker 3: people make. They're going to stick everything in the future,
Speaker 3: and they're going to undermine and miss one of the
Speaker 3: key proofs of our position. If you look at Luke
Speaker 3: twenty one, Jesus says he looked up and saw the
Speaker 3: rich putting their gifts into the treasury, and he saw
Speaker 3: a certain poor widow putting in two mites. And he said, truly,
Speaker 3: I said to you, this poor widow has put in
Speaker 3: more than all for these, out of their abundance, have
Speaker 3: put in offerings for God. But she, out of her poverty,
Speaker 3: in all the livelihood that she had. Then some of
Speaker 3: them spoke of the temple and how it was adorned
Speaker 3: with beautiful stones and donations. And he said, the things
Speaker 3: that you see this temple, the days will come in
Speaker 3: which not one stone will be left upon another that
Speaker 3: will not be torn down. And they asked the teacher
Speaker 3: when will this be what will be the sign that
Speaker 3: these things are about to take place? Take heed you
Speaker 3: the people standing in front of him. This is a key.
Speaker 3: This is a big mistake. Especially people who don't know
Speaker 3: how to interpret texts, who not studied or taken any
Speaker 3: courses on hermeneuticts. They'll say, oh, this is talking about
Speaker 3: the end of the world. Now, it does have an
Speaker 3: application to the end of time. It has an application
Speaker 3: to all throughout time, right, But we don't divorce it
Speaker 3: from the immediate historic context.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: This is called the grammatical historical, the literal level of interpretation.
Speaker 3: So at this basic level, which is what's going to
Speaker 3: build the rest of the Hermititic layers on, we understand
Speaker 3: the immediate context and the immediate audience. Who is Jesus
Speaker 3: talking to here? It's not directly talking to me, right,
Speaker 3: I might have like evangelical superpower feeling.
Speaker 4: Say it's talking to me, dude, Jesus talking to me.
Speaker 3: That's prelest. Yes, he's talking to you in a general sense,
Speaker 3: But the Bible isn't written to you. Okay, that's like
Speaker 3: schizophrenia level stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of the people in the world
Speaker 3: think that religious people are wackos. The book's not talking
Speaker 3: to you, dude, not in that way. So how do
Speaker 3: we understand how this applies to us? And again, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna show you that everything I'm telling you is one
Speaker 3: in line with the teaching of the Church fathers. This
Speaker 3: is not I know this because I made all these
Speaker 3: dumb mistakes. I'm not saying I'm schizophrenic, but I was
Speaker 3: raised Evangelical. I was raised Protestant.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, justum in the world. Let me get my
Speaker 4: prophecy charts out. I'm gonna chart out this out of
Speaker 4: the end of the world, and we're gonna blow the
Speaker 4: show far. The trumpet judgments are coming. John Hagen.
Speaker 3: Readmind new book. My name's John Hagee, and I have
Speaker 3: eaten twenty four blood moons, twenty four blood move twenty
Speaker 3: four moon by blood Moons ususual is not the most
Speaker 3: raw I had to throw at John Hagen in there
Speaker 3: for you guys. I'll know you guys. Everybody loves the
Speaker 3: John Hagen. What does it say? It says take heed
Speaker 3: that you being out in deceived. Many will come in
Speaker 3: my name, they will say, I am he. The time
Speaker 3: is not yet drawn near it. Do not go after them.
Speaker 3: But when you hear of wars and commotions, don't be terrified,
Speaker 3: for these things must come to pass first. The end
Speaker 3: will not come immediately. The end of what in the world,
Speaker 3: not in the immediate context. The end of the world
Speaker 3: is not what Jesus talking about. Jesus is talking about
Speaker 3: the temple. That's what they're talking about. You see this,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you. When this temple is about to
Speaker 3: be ripped down. He says, nation will rise against nation,
Speaker 3: kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes in many places, famines, pestilenceys,
Speaker 3: fearful signs, and great signs from heaven. But before all
Speaker 3: these things that will lay hands will persecute you, and
Speaker 3: they will deliver you to synagogues. Are we all being
Speaker 3: delivered up to synagogues for the people who think that
Speaker 3: we're suddenly in times right now? No, but the disciples
Speaker 3: were delivered up, weren't they In the Book of Acts exactly?
Speaker 3: Guess what everything that Jesus listed, there's examples of that.
Speaker 3: In Books of Acts. There's earthquakes, there are famines and
Speaker 3: pestilences mentioned. Have you read Josephus. I have. Josephus was
Speaker 3: an eyewitness to the destruction of temple of the temple,
Speaker 3: and he mentions all these things. In fact, I wrote
Speaker 3: a graduate paper, now, an undergraduate paper, and I'll put
Speaker 3: it here. Here is one of my undergraduate papers on
Speaker 3: this very topic. Go read that, where I cite extensively
Speaker 3: from Josephus, the eyewitness to this stuff. Anyway, back to
Speaker 3: the text, it says, they will deliver you up to
Speaker 3: the synagogues and prisons, but you will be brought before
Speaker 3: kings and rulers. For my namesake, there's not a whole
Speaker 3: lot of kings in the world today. Are we all
Speaker 3: going to be brought before the king of Monaco and
Speaker 3: being persecuted? So how many kings are there? Really?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: But it will turn out to you for an occasion
Speaker 3: for testimony. Well, guess what. That happens multiple times in
Speaker 3: the Book of Acts, doesn't it. Paul before Felix, Paul
Speaker 3: before Agrippa. Yeah. Therefore, do not set it in your
Speaker 3: hearts to meditate beforehand what you will answer, for I
Speaker 3: will give you a mouth and a wisdom that all
Speaker 3: your adversaries will not be able to resist. Act seven,
Speaker 3: when Saint Stephen Jesus speaks directly through prophesies through Saint Stephen.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but John Hagy is not prophesying. Jesus is
Speaker 3: not speaking through John Hagen. You will be betrayed by
Speaker 3: your parents and brothers and relatives, and they will put
Speaker 3: you to death, and you will be hated by all
Speaker 3: for by namesake, but not a hair of your heads
Speaker 3: will be lost by your patients, possess your souls. When
Speaker 3: you immediate context, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
Speaker 3: know that its destruction is near. How could it be
Speaker 3: any more clear than this? This is talking about what
Speaker 3: happened forty years later. Jerusalem was surrounded by armonies and
Speaker 3: it was destroyed. Then, let you, in the immediate context here,
Speaker 3: who are in Judea fleet to the mountains. Let those
Speaker 3: who are in the midst of her depart, for those
Speaker 3: who are in the country enter her. For these the
Speaker 3: days of vengeance, in which all things written in the
Speaker 3: prophets are to be fulfilled. For woe to those who
Speaker 3: are pregnant and nursing in those days, for there will
Speaker 3: be great distress in the land and wrouth upon this people.
Speaker 3: This is not talking about a global catastrophe. It's talking
Speaker 3: about the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy eighty. Now we
Speaker 3: know that at this time, and many of these people
Speaker 3: fled to Petra in places like this right to because
Speaker 3: they were warned. Am I supposed to flee to Judea?
Speaker 3: Am I supposed to leave Tennessee and flee to Judea?
Speaker 3: Is this talking about all the Christians in the world,
Speaker 3: but to flee to Judea. That's ridiculous. That's idiotic. Stop
Speaker 3: being idiotic. What else does he say? You better hope
Speaker 3: your journey is not on the Sabbath. We don't keep
Speaker 3: the Sabbath in the way that it was kept at
Speaker 3: this time. This is during the period when the Sabbath
Speaker 3: is still being kept. In the Book of Acts, it's
Speaker 3: the transition period. Seventy a d completes the transition period
Speaker 3: from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. It's not
Speaker 3: just Jesus' death, roren, resurrection and ascension the Book of Acts,
Speaker 3: remember Pentecost. Isn't Pentecost part of the Escaton being brought
Speaker 3: into reality? Of course, it is. Joel predicts in the
Speaker 3: last days, the spirit will be poured out upon all
Speaker 3: my people handmaids as well. What is that talking about.
Speaker 3: Is that talking about the the blood Moons of Isruel?
Speaker 3: It mentions the blood Moon, doesn't it? But how does
Speaker 3: Acts interpret the Book of Joel? Does it say that
Speaker 3: it's the end of the world and John Hagen's goofy church. No,
Speaker 3: it says that at Pentecost. In Acts too, Joel is
Speaker 3: being fulfilled. Do you see that what Joel is talking
Speaker 3: about is the exact same thing Jesus is talking about. Now,
Speaker 3: this is an interesting text here he says, these people,
Speaker 3: somehow in this nation that had rejected him, they will
Speaker 3: fall by the edge of the sword. They will be
Speaker 3: led away captive into all the nations. That's not talking
Speaker 3: about the end of the world. That happened forty years
Speaker 3: later the diaspora. Don't you know basic history? No, Evangelic
Speaker 3: don't know basic history. By the way, a lot of
Speaker 3: Protestants and Orthodox get this wrong as well. And we're
Speaker 3: going to see the Church fathers rebuking many protest Orthots
Speaker 3: and Catholics on this topic. In fact, I'm gonna even
Speaker 3: show you in Catholic teaching, Catholic liturgy talks about preterism.
Speaker 3: But you didn't know that, did you? And I found
Speaker 3: that in a trad work. I couldn't believe it an
Speaker 3: old trad Missile actually mentions preterism. It's amazing anyway, rare fine,
Speaker 3: rare gems. Nobody else has ever noticed this or talked
Speaker 3: about this. Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until
Speaker 3: the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Now, even the
Speaker 3: evangelicals in their own wrong goofy interpretation of this can't
Speaker 3: make sense of that text because they've put that at
Speaker 3: the end of the world. So Jerusalem is going to
Speaker 3: be trampled by gentiles.
Speaker 1: For what.
Speaker 3: Three and a half years? But he just said that
Speaker 3: the Jews are gonna be led captive into all the
Speaker 3: other nations. That's not talk about the end of the world.
Speaker 3: That's what happened forty years later after he said this.
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna there's many many more texts we're gonna
Speaker 3: look at. But you understand the import of this. If
Speaker 3: you move all this to the future, all unfulfilled, the
Speaker 3: force of all of this argumentation, the force of the
Speaker 3: reality that was brought at the First Advent is gone.
Speaker 3: The Church is no longer the actuality of Heaven on Earth.
Speaker 3: It's some aschotological thing at the end of time. That's
Speaker 3: not here. Now we're still waiting on all this stuff. Right. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's a dispensation of a different Plan B. No, there's
Speaker 3: no Plan B. Christ is the fulfillment of all the
Speaker 3: covenants in him. Every promise of God is yeay. Paul says,
Speaker 3: it's not some postpone thing. That's crazy talk. Nobody believed
Speaker 3: that dumb heresy until one hundred years ago. Looking for
Speaker 3: my other Bible, because I've got some interesting notes in there.
Speaker 3: Now as we read on cosmic signs, Josephus describes all
Speaker 3: these cosmic signs. What do you mean there were no
Speaker 3: cosmic signs in the first century, mister evangelical, Yes there were.
Speaker 3: Josephis describes them. He was an eyewitness. The powers of
Speaker 3: heaven will be shaken. We lose the powers of heaven
Speaker 3: shooking first suit you do you know what it means
Speaker 3: when the prophets use the term the powers of heaven
Speaker 3: will be shaken. In Isaiah Knight, I think it's nineteen
Speaker 3: Off the top of my head, there's a text where
Speaker 3: it says God will come into Egypt and destroy Egypt.
Speaker 3: Isaiah's prophesies. God will return, He will come the powers
Speaker 3: of heaven will be shaken. He said, it would be
Speaker 3: like the luminaries will fall. That means the rulers. Luminaries
Speaker 3: represent rulers, doesn't always mean literally the sun and the
Speaker 3: moon fall down and everything's destroyed. Now, at the end
Speaker 3: of the world, there will be a renovation of the
Speaker 3: entire creation. Yes, but that's not what this is talking about.
Speaker 3: Did God return in Isaiah nineteen to Egypt when he
Speaker 3: uses the exact same phraseology and language of Luke twenty one? No,
Speaker 3: of course not. Did the whole Was all of heaven
Speaker 3: destroyed in Isaiah nineteen. No, And that's talking about a
Speaker 3: prophecy in Isaiah's day against Egypt. So people get confused
Speaker 3: and they get muddled, and they don't know what they're
Speaker 3: talking about because they don't actually know their Bible from
Speaker 3: cover to cover.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So one of the advantages of being immersed in Protestanism
Speaker 3: forever and ever ever is that you do get to
Speaker 3: know your Bible if you take it seriously right, and
Speaker 3: then you you weed out a lot of these mistakes,
Speaker 3: and then you go and you read the Church fallows
Speaker 3: and you realize they had they had it right the
Speaker 3: whole time, Like you could have just you know, gone
Speaker 3: to them anyway. But I'm going to show you that that, interestingly,
Speaker 3: most of the Eastern Fathers, the important Eastern Fathers, they
Speaker 3: actually were preterists. They got this right. Why this wasn't
Speaker 3: as common in the Latin West, I'm not sure that
Speaker 3: could be attributed to many reasons, who knows, but we
Speaker 3: know that the Eastern Church, the Eastern Fathers were consistent,
Speaker 3: they got it right. I'm even going to show you
Speaker 3: modern monastic works right that talk about preterism. Anyway, Now,
Speaker 3: we're not full preterists. That's heresy. Full pradism is utterly,
Speaker 3: totally unorthodox. I can't believe that all the resurrection, everything
Speaker 3: is already fulfilled. That's crazy. Anyway. Well, let's see, so
Speaker 3: this comes up all the time in our discord. Is
Speaker 3: part of the reason I'm doing this is to have
Speaker 3: something to refer to so we don't have to keep
Speaker 3: giving this talk over and over and over, because I've
Speaker 3: given this explanation about twenty times in discord. So then
Speaker 3: he goes on to talk about the fig tree. The
Speaker 3: fig tree always represents Israel. Israel is withering, right, It's
Speaker 3: a worthless fig tree. It hasn't produced the fruit that
Speaker 3: is supposed to. I got dusty books out its almost
Speaker 3: start sneezing it again. And another one of the key
Speaker 3: texts that we want to know for this. So Luke
Speaker 3: is good because in Luke twenty one it's actually a
Speaker 3: little clearer than Matthew twenty four. They're both the all
Speaker 3: of that discourse, obviously, right. But if you go back
Speaker 3: to Matthew twenty three, right before Matthew twenty four, which
Speaker 3: is Matthew's version of what's in Luke twenty one, Jesus
Speaker 3: says he's talking about the fate of Israel. It's the
Speaker 3: same context. He says, Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who
Speaker 3: stones the prophets and those sent to you. How I
Speaker 3: would have gathered you together as children, as a hen
Speaker 3: gathers er chicken ers win. But you were not willing.
Speaker 3: Your house is left to you desolate. This is a
Speaker 3: prediction of seventy eighty. That's what is talking. It's talking
Speaker 3: about seventy year else has left you desolate? What do
Speaker 3: you think it means? Desolation? What's the abomination of desolation?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: Well, that whole chapter of twenty three is a rebuke
Speaker 3: to that generation, the generation of his day that rejected him.
Speaker 3: That whole chapter is a rebuke of that generation. And
Speaker 3: that generation is what's going to undergo seventy a d.
Speaker 3: Which is the culmination of all of the covenant curses.
Speaker 3: All those predictions of covenant curses are going to be
Speaker 3: exacted upon that generation. From the murder of Able to
Speaker 3: the murder of Zacharia between the Altar, all of that
Speaker 3: will come in culmination as the measure of their iniquity
Speaker 3: fills up upon that generation of Jesus day because they
Speaker 3: rejected the Son of God. So when we understand that,
Speaker 3: we begin to understand. Now, wait a minute. The fall
Speaker 3: of Jerusalem originally to the Babylonians right from five to
Speaker 3: eighty six, that fall is emblematic of the future falls.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to show you that this was true
Speaker 3: even in the Old Testament. This is not some made
Speaker 3: up Christian hermenudy. This was true even back then. So
Speaker 3: we're all familiar with. If you get to the end
Speaker 3: of the Books of the Kings, right, that's when Israel
Speaker 3: falls and they're taken captive. Both first the northern tribe
Speaker 3: falls I think to the Syrians, and then the Southern
Speaker 3: tribe falls Babylonians, right, and they're led into captivity, and
Speaker 3: then they have the seventy years of Babylonian captivity. So
Speaker 3: the prophets will speak of this period of captivity, and
Speaker 3: of course Daniel is one of the most important for
Speaker 3: this time of captivity. And that's why when we see
Speaker 3: Daniel two, we noticed that he gives a prediction of
Speaker 3: successive world empires. The first imagery that describes the success
Speaker 3: of world empires is the giant Idyl of Nebukineser's dream.
Speaker 3: Everybody's familiar with, hopefully the story of Daniel and Nebukinese's dream,
Speaker 3: and it predicts the success of world empires the Babylonian,
Speaker 3: Middle Persian, Greeks, and Romans. Later on we have in
Speaker 3: Daniel another dream, another vision, and Daniel sees beasts all right. Now,
Speaker 3: this is later on in eleven. But before we get
Speaker 3: to Daniel eleven, there's in Daniel nine there's a prediction,
Speaker 3: famous prediction of the seventy weeks. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: get into this the minutia because we would be here
Speaker 3: all night and it's it's a lot of debated stuff.
Speaker 3: Let's stick to what's obvious.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And what's obvious is that if you have the Orthodox
Speaker 3: Bible and the Canon of Scripture according to the Orthodox Church,
Speaker 3: and if you notice the notes on Daniel nine, what's
Speaker 3: the first text that's mentioned there? The Epistle of Barnabas,
Speaker 3: one of the early Patristic writings, not in the Canon Scripture,
Speaker 3: but it's very early. Chapter sixteen observes that this chapter
Speaker 3: Daniel nine, twenty four to twenty seven is fulfilled when
Speaker 3: the temple and the sanctuary were destroyed in seventy eighty.
Speaker 3: The Orthodox Study Bible has it right here. Yes, preterism.
Speaker 3: Barnabas also points out that the true temple is the
Speaker 3: body of Christ. That's why Jesus says, destroy the temple
Speaker 3: and I'll raise it again in three days. Spiritual temple
Speaker 3: is His body. By extension the church as well. Thus,
Speaker 3: the seventy weeks here is meant seventy weeks of years
Speaker 3: four hundred and ninety years seventy times seven. The prophecy
Speaker 3: applies to Jeremiah's seventy years. This is why Daniel in
Speaker 3: the book says, I figured this out by reading jeremiah patterns. So,
Speaker 3: unless you wanted to reject Daniel from scripture. Daniel in
Speaker 3: the Old Testament is admitting the pattern and recurring pattern
Speaker 3: principle of hermautics in the Old Testament itself. This is
Speaker 3: because people who oppose our position, they say, oh, that's
Speaker 3: not you're violating, that's not improper hermoneutic. You can't just
Speaker 3: you can't take a prediction in the Old Testament and
Speaker 3: make patterned applications of Oh, really, well, Daniel does. Saint
Speaker 3: Hippolotists says, this is about the coming of the Messiah.
Speaker 3: Saint Hypologists gives this a preterist interpretation. The Epistle of
Speaker 3: barne of Us gives us a predorist interpretation. This is
Speaker 3: not talking about the end of the world. And guess
Speaker 3: what if Daniel nine is predist according to these father
Speaker 3: then Matthew twenty four and Luke twenty one are also
Speaker 3: preterists because they're talking about the same event. Why do
Speaker 3: I know that? What does it say? The prophecy says
Speaker 3: after sixty two weeks, All right, Messiah the Prince is
Speaker 3: who's predicted here. I think everybody knows clearly that's the Messiah, right,
Speaker 3: Although some of the goofy evangelicals think Messiah the prince
Speaker 3: is the Antichrist, which is utterly ridiculous. But after sixty
Speaker 3: weeks an annoyed one would be put to death. All right,
Speaker 3: that's the death of Christ. Come on here, let's stop
Speaker 3: being stupid. Okay, there will be a judgment for him.
Speaker 3: There will be no upright judge for him. He will
Speaker 3: destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince who
Speaker 3: is coming. Titus, the Roman warrior, is who destroyed Rusalem.
Speaker 3: Jesus says, do you remember the parable of the vine dressers?
Speaker 3: He says, what will happen to the vine dressers when
Speaker 3: the king comes back? He will bring his armies and
Speaker 3: he will destroy those wicked people. Matthew twenty two. Jesus says,
Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen in seventy eighty. Do
Speaker 3: you understand that this is why seventy eighty is so important.
Speaker 3: It's the end. It's the culmination of the end of
Speaker 3: the Mosaic economy and by extension, the entire Old Testament economy.
Speaker 3: They shall appoint the city for desolations. This is the
Speaker 3: abomination of desolation. Then he will confirm a covenant with
Speaker 3: many for one week, and in the middle of the week,
Speaker 3: the sacrifice and the drink offering will be taken away,
Speaker 3: and there will be in the temple the abomination of desolation.
Speaker 3: And at the end of time, and at the end
Speaker 3: of the time, excuse me, an end to the desolation
Speaker 3: shall be appointed. Let's go back a little bit, because
Speaker 3: it actually starts in I read twenty six skip up
Speaker 3: to twenty four seventy weeks or a determine for your
Speaker 3: people for the Holy City to make an end to sins.
Speaker 3: This is the measure of the sins of these people,
Speaker 3: Jesus says. All of the culmination of the sins will
Speaker 3: come upon this generation. From righteous Able to Zachariah, this generation,
Speaker 3: and thus all things written in the prophets will be fulfilled,
Speaker 3: Jesus says to the generation standing in front of him.
Speaker 3: Once you know this and then you read through the gospels,
Speaker 3: this is so obvious. Of course, that's what he say.
Speaker 3: He's not talking about John Hagey and the end of
Speaker 3: the world crappy. So I'm about the generation standing in
Speaker 3: front of him. I'm not saying there's no application to
Speaker 3: the end of the world. We'll get to that. No,
Speaker 3: And therefore know therefore and understand that from the going
Speaker 3: forth of the word to be answered, and to build
Speaker 3: Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince. There will be seventy two weeks.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, there shall be seven weeks and sixty two weeks.
Speaker 3: Then he will return. The streets in the wall will
Speaker 3: be rebuilt, and the time will be left desolate. And
Speaker 3: after sixty two weeks the annoyed to one will be
Speaker 3: put to death. So it's finishing iniquity. It's also to
Speaker 3: atone for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, to
Speaker 3: end and seal up the visions and the prophecies, and
Speaker 3: to anoint the Holy of Holies. This is all what
Speaker 3: Jesus did. Jesus brings eternal righteousness. Jesus atones for sin.
Speaker 3: Jesus ends the old Covenant economy. Just read the Book
Speaker 3: of Hebrews. The Book of Hebrews is about this. It
Speaker 3: proves this. The whole book is saying that Christ has
Speaker 3: brought the reality. We don't need temples, we don't need
Speaker 3: animal sacrifices, we don't need those old mosaic administration implements
Speaker 3: anymore because they're fulfilled in Christ and in the Church.
Speaker 3: The Church is a continuation of Israel. Once you have
Speaker 3: this mindset, this becomes a very powerful prediction and prophecy.
Speaker 3: And you'll note in the text in the note twenty
Speaker 3: four through twenty seven that there is a helpful because
Speaker 3: we have duterocanonical second Esdras, right, we have Esdras Nehemiah right,
Speaker 3: second Esdras that if we want to date it roughly
Speaker 3: in what's mentioned in second Esdras seven, seven and eight,
Speaker 3: then we under Artiser sees then we have a good
Speaker 3: case for the actual specific dating. Now that's debated. That's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not that interested in the exact pinpoint because even
Speaker 3: if you don't have that view, this is still believed
Speaker 3: to be written before Rome. So unless you have some
Speaker 3: view that I'm not aware of, that Daniel wrote after
Speaker 3: the Roman Empire, which I've never heard anybody propose that
Speaker 3: this is talking about successive world empires. This is talking
Speaker 3: about and I don't this isn't even debated like the
Speaker 3: four successive empires from He's dating it from the time
Speaker 3: of Daniel. I mean the Babylonian captivity. It's a babylon
Speaker 3: you know, Persians, right, Darius Cyrus that stuff right, Remember
Speaker 3: that in Isaiah and Daniel, the Greeks, when we have
Speaker 3: Alexander and Antiochus, Seppefanese and then Rome. And I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody down now think of the stupidity of taking
Speaker 3: these empires and then taking the last empire under which
Speaker 3: the Messiah will be worn according to Daniel, and saying
Speaker 3: that that's the Eu, like these goofy Avenge, think how
Speaker 3: stupid that is. It's not the EU that destroys the
Speaker 3: whole prophecy of Jesus being born under the fourth Empire
Speaker 3: after the Greeks, that's Rome. Jesus is born under the
Speaker 3: Roman Empire. The Gospels make it a point to say that,
Speaker 3: to show that it's fulfilling what Daniel predicted. Now things
Speaker 3: get difficult, yes they are, Harry, they're difficult when we
Speaker 3: come to the sections in Daniel ten and eleven about
Speaker 3: the Angelic Visitor, in particular chapter eleven, which appears to
Speaker 3: be about the Maccabies, right because it talks about Antiochus,
Speaker 3: it talks about the Greeks, so it's predicting, and it
Speaker 3: mentions in Daniel eleven the abomination of desolation. How do
Speaker 3: we solve this? Well, guess what if you have the
Speaker 3: view that I just told you of mirrored events, you
Speaker 3: know exactly how to solve this because if you read Maccabees,
Speaker 3: then you know that there's a desolation that occurs under
Speaker 3: the Maccabees, and not just under the Maccabees. It happens
Speaker 3: in third Maccabees, undertole of Me. So there's not just
Speaker 3: one abomination of desolation the temple gets desecrated. There's an abomination,
Speaker 3: abomination that makes for desolations more than once. Now how
Speaker 3: do I know that? Ultimately? Because Jesus cites Daniel. Jesus
Speaker 3: cites Daniel's abomination of desolation. And what's Jesus talking about.
Speaker 3: We all know he's talking about seventy eight. We know
Speaker 3: that's what he's talking about. When the Romans come in,
Speaker 3: they desecrate the temple, just like the Babylonians had back
Speaker 3: in five eighty six BC, just like Antiochus does. The Greek,
Speaker 3: one of Alexander's underlings, he sacrifices a pig on the altar.
Speaker 3: Antiochus does. That's what makes the Maccabees so furious. He
Speaker 3: desecrates the temple. He's a type of Antichrist. He's a
Speaker 3: satanically inspired individual who is mocking God by that action.
Speaker 3: Have you not read Maccabee's That's what the whole book's about.
Speaker 3: It occurs again ptold of me P told me is
Speaker 3: a Egyptian ruler. And in third Maccabees there's another type
Speaker 3: of this event. By the way, Jeremiah predicts these same events, right,
Speaker 3: Jeremiah speaks of the abomination of desolation in Jeremiah four.
Speaker 3: This is the proof for my view. It's something my view.
Speaker 3: I just got this from what the prophets themselves did
Speaker 3: in terms of hermeneutics. I didn't invent this, and it's
Speaker 3: the way that the church fathers apply this text.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So if you read Jeremiah four, we did a whole
Speaker 3: lecture on Jeremiah. Go listen to that. You will see
Speaker 3: the same four animals of Daniel. When Daniel says I
Speaker 3: read Jeremiah to get my hermaeneutic in this pattern, he's
Speaker 3: not doing anything different than what Jeremiah did. Jeremiah has
Speaker 3: the same animals, the same beasts. Now that we understand this,
Speaker 3: it's that easy, right. And by the way, when you
Speaker 3: read into let's see Jeremiah, this continues the curses upon
Speaker 3: the people. All you have to do is understand that
Speaker 3: it's a recurring pattern. It's that easy. And the key.
Speaker 3: The key to this is the maccabies. It's Jeremiah eight,
Speaker 3: by the way. So what I'm saying here is that
Speaker 3: this term abomination that makes for decl of abomination of
Speaker 3: desolation is when the altar is defiled, when a pagan
Speaker 3: ruler comes in and defiles the altar. It happens in
Speaker 3: five eighty six base BC with the Babbylony captivity. This
Speaker 3: is predicted in Jeremiah thirty six and thirty seven. Right,
Speaker 3: this is what Daniel's talking about when he says I
Speaker 3: was reading Jeremiah to figure all this out. It says
Speaker 3: that I prayed, and Gabriel came and explained all this
Speaker 3: to me. So Daniel prophesying under the captivity. You see,
Speaker 3: he's after Jeremiah. He says, I went back, I read
Speaker 3: the scrolls of Jeremiah. God enlightened me. Gabriel came, explained
Speaker 3: me the Gabriel hermeneutic, which is the right hermaudic, and
Speaker 3: then I saw what was going on. I saw the
Speaker 3: coming world empire, the same ones that Jeremiah predicted, the
Speaker 3: same beasts. Do you understand that it's the same animals. Now,
Speaker 3: how dumb is it, how dumb and undermining of our
Speaker 3: whole thing to take the fourth Beast, rip it out
Speaker 3: of the fulfillment of the Roman Empire and the birth
Speaker 3: of the Messiah and apply this to some stupid EU stuff.
Speaker 3: But the EU has a poster with the tar bubbon. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know that, But so what we don't do hermoneudicts
Speaker 3: by posters and reading that back into the Bible. That's retarded,
Speaker 3: totally stupid. You just destroyed the one of the strongest
Speaker 3: proofs for the religion by doing that, you idiot. And
Speaker 3: by the way, what was that just reading the catechetical
Speaker 3: lectures of Seid people get there? You you so mean
Speaker 3: to people? You could the catechetical lectures of Saint Cyril.
Speaker 3: Have you read those? No, you haven't, But if you do,
Speaker 3: look at the way he talks about people who are
Speaker 3: here a lot like he's he's the most intense I've seen,
Speaker 3: Like Saint Cyril. He just like he's like, you're demonic,
Speaker 3: you're the mouths of heretics. You're there, the mouths of heretics,
Speaker 3: of the gates of Hell. He says, they're fools, they're idiots.
Speaker 3: They're every name in the book. He has no problem
Speaker 3: in his catechises. Did you hear that he's teaching catechumens.
Speaker 3: He calls the heretics a bunch of idiots, fools, demons.
Speaker 3: Me calling them retarto is being nice compared to the
Speaker 3: way Saint Cyril speaks of them in the category of elections.
Speaker 3: So anyway, so this I think is the solution to
Speaker 3: this Maccabee's uh, and there is, it's in it's right
Speaker 3: away right first mccabee's first few chapters is the abomination there,
Speaker 3: this is what sparks the Maccabees to revolt. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: so the abomination of desolation. Now this is after Daniel.
Speaker 3: You see. So I'm going to prove this if we
Speaker 3: open up second Let's mentioned in Second Macabees two, but
Speaker 3: let's go to first Macabees and we'll see that this
Speaker 3: Antichrist move is an attempt to stamp out the missile.
Speaker 3: Why are they doing this? Why do these pagan emperors
Speaker 3: even care? Well, we know that it's actually inspired by Satan,
Speaker 3: who back in Genesis three was told that the seed
Speaker 3: of the woman is going to crush the head of
Speaker 3: the serpent. So he knows that from this lineage, somebody's
Speaker 3: coming that's going to be a problem for him. Now,
Speaker 3: he doesn't know everything, he's not omniscient, so he doesn't
Speaker 3: have the full picture, but he knows that he needs
Speaker 3: to get rid of this group, this people group. This
Speaker 3: is why the Jews are constantly persecuted in the Old Testament.
Speaker 3: And so in a first Maccabe's Chapter one, we have
Speaker 3: the Abomination of Desolation, verse fifty four. They set up
Speaker 3: the abomination of desolation and the altar of the whole
Speaker 3: burnt offering and brought the altars in the surrounding cities
Speaker 3: of Jerusalem, of Judah. They burned incense at the door,
Speaker 3: found the Book of the Law, burn them. They burned
Speaker 3: up the book. They found the Book of the Covenant,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and it says they wanted to kill
Speaker 3: everybody they acted against Israel. Okay, so why they want
Speaker 3: to kill everybody because the Messiah is going to be
Speaker 3: born of this people. Right now, Antiochus Epiphanes is not
Speaker 3: that intelligence. He doesn't know what's going on. Right Antiochis
Speaker 3: pillages the temple. He's just a possessed idiot, right, But
Speaker 3: behind him is that Satanic spirit, same spirit behind the
Speaker 3: babyloon in captivity. So then we have the story of
Speaker 3: the Maccabees, right, and then the abomination comes up again
Speaker 3: in six where they Antiochus the fourth is about to die.
Speaker 3: The abomination is still there, the idol on top of
Speaker 3: the temple or the alter excuse me, and so Judas
Speaker 3: Macabeas turns it tears it down. Is the Judas somebody
Speaker 3: tears it down. They pulled down the abomination. They do
Speaker 3: in pracatory prayers. By the way, we have the mention
Speaker 3: of Rome beginning to rise, and this fulfills Daniels in
Speaker 3: chapter eight. This fulfills Daniel's prediction of the Fourth beasts
Speaker 3: the bottom of the of nevcan eesers image right the
Speaker 3: feet of the image in chapter nine of First Maccabees.
Speaker 3: That right. They keep trying to destroy the temple. They
Speaker 3: keep trying to destroy it. The bomination is okay. So
Speaker 3: in chapter twelve of Maccabees.
Speaker 2: We have.
Speaker 3: I have a note here on our semi note. I
Speaker 3: don't know you can read chapter twelve, but once again
Speaker 3: you'll see that this is a mirroring. The abomination is mirrored.
Speaker 3: In seventy eighty Accorney Luke twenty one. But that's not all. Now,
Speaker 3: keep in mind, if you're evangelical, you don't have maccabees,
Speaker 3: you don't have this key insight of seeing that Daniel
Speaker 3: nine is mirrored. Now, maybe you could derive it just
Speaker 3: from reading Jeremiah and Daniel. That's plausible. But I think
Speaker 3: this is a key insight because let's see if we
Speaker 3: move to second mccabee's I think I think it comes
Speaker 3: up again. Abomination comes up again in second mccabee's five. Yes,
Speaker 3: once again. The attempt is to stamp out this race
Speaker 3: of people, and to do so they want to destroy
Speaker 3: the worship of this race of people. You see, That's
Speaker 3: why this is so key. Yes, And then in chapter six,
Speaker 3: second mac Be six, you have the persecution Athens versus
Speaker 3: Jerusalem here and they try to destroy the temple polluted again.
Speaker 3: They put up an image of Zeus, Zeus the Hospitable,
Speaker 3: and they want the Jews to stop following the law
Speaker 3: of God. Now again, why do they want to destroy
Speaker 3: this race of people? Now, all the pagan LARPers, the
Speaker 3: Jews or bud No, it's because they're bringing the Messiah,
Speaker 3: that's who. And Satan doesn't know. He might have known
Speaker 3: the Davidic prophecies, but he doesn't know how this is
Speaker 3: going to all go down, right, He just knows if
Speaker 3: he can stamp out this race, this people, which is
Speaker 3: what Pharoh tried to do and who else all these
Speaker 3: rulers try to do in Maccabees and what Herod tries
Speaker 3: to do. Right, Remember when Herod does Herod does the
Speaker 3: exact same thing that's favor now again to prove the
Speaker 3: repeating pattern view, there's a yet another character in Third Maccabees,
Speaker 3: another abomination of desolation. In Third Maccabees, the character of
Speaker 3: Ptolemy told me yet another type of Antichrist. Uh third
Speaker 3: Maccabee's chapter two here this is this one's fascinating because
Speaker 3: Ptolemy seems to be an even clearer type of Antichrist
Speaker 3: than Antiochus was, because what does it say in the
Speaker 3: note here at the end of two he tries to
Speaker 3: mark everybody with his dionys In Pagan Mystery religion mark right,
Speaker 3: look at two twenty eight and twenty nine. And the
Speaker 3: notes in the Orthodox study Bell were really good because
Speaker 3: they point out Ptolemy registered to those those registered are
Speaker 3: those who willingly comply. They are branded with the mark
Speaker 3: of allegiance that will be permanent. Some people in ancient
Speaker 3: times would brand themselves as a symbol of their god.
Speaker 3: Here it is the ivy leaf. Saint John predicts a
Speaker 3: similar mark when Antichrist comes Revelation thirteen, sixteen seventeen and
Speaker 3: the note on twenty eight said battle lines are drawn
Speaker 3: here for an unseen spiritual warfare. The Jews must worship,
Speaker 3: must not worship their god by the dictator of Ptolemy,
Speaker 3: and everyone in Alexandria must sacrifice to the god Dionysius.
Speaker 3: The census is of the slaves and the servant classes,
Speaker 3: seemingly unique to Alexander, the juer effectively becoming the property
Speaker 3: of the states. So we have like a statism. This
Speaker 3: is the beast, right that the beast is the state
Speaker 3: proclaiming itself God. And in the apocalypse, of course it
Speaker 3: has a religion that goes along with it, the false prophet.
Speaker 3: But the beast is the state. It's a state power
Speaker 3: who has along with it a false prophet, the whore,
Speaker 3: the hoe, which is the false religion. But I just
Speaker 3: want to point out that third Maccabees and told of
Speaker 3: me with his mark. Imagine that and a whole other
Speaker 3: type and pattern, recurring pattern of an antichrist figure who
Speaker 3: tries to mark everybody so that they can have commerce
Speaker 3: and all that and live in the world. Right, and
Speaker 3: if you don't have maccabees, and by the way, Orthodox
Speaker 3: have third Maccabees. You see, so yet another proof that
Speaker 3: we have another testament to our view that the other
Speaker 3: people don't have. All right, let me pour a little
Speaker 3: more coffee, because it's late and we're having a late
Speaker 3: night theology stream with whow four hundred and fifty people.
Speaker 3: I didn't know this many people would be interested in first, second,
Speaker 3: third Macabees in old Testament predictions. Now, if you would
Speaker 3: smash like, give me that like, and I much appreciate that,
Speaker 3: and let me pour a little coffee. Listen to a
Speaker 3: little bit of sweet amid the ruins dire wave. Give
Speaker 3: me about thirty seconds. Don't run off, don't run off,
Speaker 3: be're right back, all right, welcome, thank you, glad to
Speaker 3: see you all here. We got a room of almost
Speaker 3: two hundred nerds. I'm sure the nerds will pile in
Speaker 3: then we can get up to about three hundred to night.
Speaker 6: We'll see it's your boy Jay in the house. You
Speaker 6: boy can't see me.
Speaker 3: All right, I got some more firewater. By that, I
Speaker 3: mean coffee, I don't mean spirits. I don't drink. It's
Speaker 3: weird how I've never have a desire to drink at all. Ever.
Speaker 3: I used to love alcohol my twenties. I drink all
Speaker 3: the time, and thankfully. I mean yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: wasn't like a super drunk, but I did drink too
Speaker 3: much and then just went away. It's crazy, no desire ones,
Speaker 3: I don't ever.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know. It's a weird thing. Wish
Speaker 3: I could be I'd be delivered by from my other
Speaker 3: vices so easily, like get rid of the other The
Speaker 3: other ones are a little harder, right, It's like the
Speaker 3: other ones are quitting, quitting alcohol, quitting smoking cigarettes. Those
Speaker 3: are easy compared to the other vices, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like pride and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: All right, let's see what was I going to do next?
Speaker 7: We talked about the beasts third Macabees. Okay, so let's
Speaker 7: look at uh some of the texts.
Speaker 3: Now. I believe that the apocalypse follows the structure roughly
Speaker 3: of the all of that discourse. So I do think
Speaker 3: they're talking about the same event. The best case, in
Speaker 3: my view, you have another video. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: go onto the Antichrist character itself, but if you want
Speaker 3: to watch my video on Antichrist, just try Jade Antichrist
Speaker 3: into YouTube and you'll get mine. It's not about ten
Speaker 3: thousand music. I spent about forty minutes kind of outlining
Speaker 3: my view of Antichrist. Nero is the immediate context. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's only Nero right. Everything's not
Speaker 3: fulfilled in the first century. That's crazy. That's a heresy.
Speaker 3: There are people who are full predists. I do believe
Speaker 3: that is a heresy that's completely out of a chord
Speaker 3: with the entire history of Orthodox Christianity, the bodily Resurrection,
Speaker 3: all of that. So no, we don't believe full preterism.
Speaker 3: So what's the solution. Well, let's start with the monastic text.
Speaker 3: That is a good one to read. Now, unfortunately this
Speaker 3: is out of print. I've mentioned it many times at
Speaker 3: Ortho Christian There is a summary article. There's an article
Speaker 3: that's he printed out. It's about ten pages and it's
Speaker 3: a summary of this booklet which is like fifty pages roughly,
Speaker 3: but there's a great text in here that kind of
Speaker 3: lays out my view. So I was actually surprised when
Speaker 3: I read because I thought, oh, they're not going to
Speaker 3: mention preterism. It's going to be it's going to be
Speaker 3: all these speculations. And it's not. It's that this is
Speaker 3: not bad. It's actually mainly just what the Church fathers say,
Speaker 3: so it's not too much speculation. Pretty good overall. I
Speaker 3: would say that this this book is pretty accurate probably
Speaker 3: how things are going to go down. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: we're in in times, so we're not going there. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to give you guys caution here. This is
Speaker 3: what we're trying to do. We want accurate view, we
Speaker 3: don't want to go into sensationalism and speculations. So the
Speaker 3: Holy Fathers of the Church explain how all these words
Speaker 3: about Matthew twenty four Luke twenty one are a prototype.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, let me go back. The Holy Fathers of
Speaker 3: the Church explain that these words the glad tidings of
Speaker 3: the Kingdom, will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as
Speaker 3: a witness to all the nations, and then the incomes
Speaker 3: This points to the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy eighty
Speaker 3: as a prototype of the future. Greater tribulations will come
Speaker 3: when the fury of this prophecy is fulfilled at the
Speaker 3: end of time. The fall of Jerusalem is symbolic of
Speaker 3: the end of the world. Terrible though it was, it
Speaker 3: was only a shadow of what is to come upon
Speaker 3: mankind at the end. Yes, so we want to notice
Speaker 3: that that is our pattern of hermeneutics. Here they go
Speaker 3: on to note, in addition, many believers begin will follow
Speaker 3: after many four run to Antichrist. Okay, so they will
Speaker 3: mention it mentions that there are many Antichrists. And so
Speaker 3: then it goes into many of the church fathers right
Speaker 3: talking about what to expect one world religion type thing,
Speaker 3: eventually mass apostasy in the church, as Paul predicts a
Speaker 3: one at some point, not saying that right now this
Speaker 3: is the mass aposta. It could be we may we
Speaker 3: may be getting there. But here's the key thing. The
Speaker 3: other thing I wanted to mention from this text, which
Speaker 3: is that, uh, one of the elders, I think I've
Speaker 3: marked it on one of the saints. I thinks. Anyway,
Speaker 3: they make the point that we don't have to worry
Speaker 3: about that. Okay, we're not goofy evangelicals who sit around
Speaker 3: trying to make big prophecy charts all day to figure
Speaker 3: out when the end of the world, the rapture is
Speaker 3: all that nonsense. The closer that we get to the end,
Speaker 3: the Saints say, the clearer it will be, so we
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about that. We don't have to
Speaker 3: worry about news headlines and trying to is John when
Speaker 3: he talks about the scorpions, is that a helicopter with
Speaker 3: a nuke attached to it? Just now, we don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about that, And I don't think John's talking
Speaker 3: about helicopters with nukes. By the way, the Saints are
Speaker 3: clear that as the time gets closer that we will
Speaker 3: know it's it's gonna be obvious. Okay, it's not gonna
Speaker 3: be like nobody's gonna know except five people in a
Speaker 3: monastery somewhere. I mean it will be obvious when we
Speaker 3: see these things coming to pass, right, so that we
Speaker 3: can be I mean it'll be obvious to us in
Speaker 3: the church. I'm saying it's not gonna be obvious to
Speaker 3: everybody because a lot of people are gonna fall for
Speaker 3: all this deception and nonsense, right, But to those in
Speaker 3: the church it will be obvious because they will know
Speaker 3: these pretty clear signs. And this this book goes into
Speaker 3: mentioning you know all of what the church fathers speak
Speaker 3: of as the key signs. You know, things like there
Speaker 3: will be a one world religion that will be enforced.
Speaker 3: It will be the same as the ancient pagan mystery religions.
Speaker 3: There will be a world government, there will be an
Speaker 3: Antichrist figure. There will be a false religion that is promoted,
Speaker 3: and then the anti Christ casts that off and says,
Speaker 3: you have to worship me now, hahaha, tricked you that
Speaker 3: false religion wasn't the real deal. It worshiped me, or
Speaker 3: you know, you can't do anything a mass apostasy. The
Speaker 3: Church in whole apostatizes. And as you've heard me say
Speaker 3: many times, the church fathers teach us you don't like this,
Speaker 3: It's not my fault. It's what the church teaches, it's
Speaker 3: what Paul teaches. And it is true. This will occur
Speaker 3: whether you believe it or not. And that means that
Speaker 3: you can't say that there are no more Jews. That's dumb. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that means that evangelical stuff's right.
Speaker 3: It's not. John Hagen's not right. But it's also not right.
Speaker 3: What all these idiot LARPers and trads think that there
Speaker 3: are no more Jews? That's dumb. That's not true. That's
Speaker 3: not the patristic view. How can the church fathers say
Speaker 3: that the Jews will be converted there's no more Jews, dune,
Speaker 3: that's dumb. How can there be Jews being mentioned for
Speaker 3: centuries in the church the Church's canons. If Jews don't
Speaker 3: exist after the first that's ridiculous. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Total ignorance of church history. I know what the Talmud says.
Speaker 3: I know all that stuff, right, So don't bring me
Speaker 3: that because it doesn't matter because the Church, the New
Speaker 3: Testament teaches that eventually there will be a conversion. Now
Speaker 3: I've changed my view on the Enoch and Elijah thing.
Speaker 3: I used to think the Enoch and Elijah thing was
Speaker 3: purely in the first century, and it was I don't know,
Speaker 3: some prophesying between thirty to seventy eighty and Israel, you
Speaker 3: know who knows in the spirit of Enoch and Elijah
Speaker 3: but I actually think that probably Enoch and Elijah will
Speaker 3: have to return. I mean, that's the only way that
Speaker 3: people would actually believe, right, I mean, it would take
Speaker 3: something that wild for you know, people in Israel to convert.
Speaker 3: That's my suspicion. But there's a whole chapter on Enoch
Speaker 3: and Elijah here. Most of our saints think that that
Speaker 3: would probably occur. Now, it does mention the attempt to
Speaker 3: cease the liturgy. I would not jump on. I mean,
Speaker 3: because all the world's liturgies haven't ceased, because I wouldn't
Speaker 3: jump on Kurunka on all this stuff. Oh, it's the
Speaker 3: end of the world because of Karunka. Not yet. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of other things that we haven't seen
Speaker 3: yet that are going to be clear as the end
Speaker 3: of the world. Okay, so let's we're not jumping to
Speaker 3: end of the world yet. I mean, Karunka is fake
Speaker 3: and hey, uh so, I mean is that really like
Speaker 3: an End Times plague? Come on, no, it's not. That's crazy. Look,
Speaker 3: the End Times plagues don't sound fake and gay, they
Speaker 3: sound real. Right, So anyway, we're not going to do
Speaker 3: a whole lecture on apostas. But I do recommend this treatise.
Speaker 3: I think it's really good from Holy Transfiguration Monastery because
Speaker 3: it's just it's just a collection of whether Church Father said.
Speaker 3: That's all it is. It's not even it's not really
Speaker 3: any speculations.
Speaker 1: Going on in there.
Speaker 3: But it's good because it mentions the importance of preterism. Okay,
Speaker 3: so first let's look at Basil. Okay, So Athenacious Athanatius
Speaker 3: has multiple texts where he speaks of the partial predist view.
Speaker 3: And because I have read significant almost all of this volume,
Speaker 3: or a large portion of this voey, I can tell you. Okay,
Speaker 3: So on the Incarnation one twelve is applied to Christ
Speaker 3: in the First Advent Daniel nine, as you've heard me explicating,
Speaker 3: it is read of the First Advent, and on the
Speaker 3: Incarnation thirty nine and forty. There is still a second
Speaker 3: Advent to come, however, so he's not a full predteris.
Speaker 3: On the Incarnation one fifty six, Letter sixty, section seven
Speaker 3: speaks of preterism in seventy eighty. I can't even read
Speaker 3: my notes. Something old testament fulfilled festal Letter four four
Speaker 3: and five, Letter one seven and eight speaks of seventy eighty.
Speaker 3: Now those are just the ones I've noticed. There's more.
Speaker 3: There's more. So there are some prederist texts and Athanasius
Speaker 3: if you want to write those downs Catechetical Lectures of
Speaker 3: Saint Cyril of Jerusalem that I mentioned, which I read
Speaker 3: all these ten years ago. I took copious notes on
Speaker 3: the catechetical lectures. Where's the where's the prederist tips? I've
Speaker 3: got a a note for thee here it is. He
Speaker 3: interestingly does what I do with Isaiah. So if you
Speaker 3: read Catechetical Lectures sixteen, eighteen, and nineteen, that is applied
Speaker 3: to the First Advent seventy eight Isaiah one eight. By
Speaker 3: the way, you can just look these up really quickly.
Speaker 3: They're all online New Advent. You can look up the
Speaker 3: catechetical lectures.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So that's at least one from Saint Cyril. Okay, so
Speaker 3: one of the best, of course, chrystalstom on Matthew Matthew
Speaker 3: twenty four Homily fifty seventy five on Matthew twenty four
Speaker 3: seventy a d. He says, is the immediate context the
Speaker 3: Wars of Jerusalem. And he says, but that is a
Speaker 3: type of the end of the world again. Saint John
Speaker 3: Chrystals homily is seventy five on Matthew twenty four. The
Speaker 3: whole homily is all about preterism. Do you know how
Speaker 3: many people I've had telling me, George, uh epistol? Is
Speaker 3: it that I already mentioned the pistol? Yeah? I mentioned
Speaker 3: the pistol of Barnabas, didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Eusebius the famous Church history Eusebius Chapter seven, Book three,
Speaker 3: Chapter seven, the Predictions of Christ. Well, guess what abomination
Speaker 3: of desolation? Joe Cephas chapter eight signs seventy eighty destruction
Speaker 3: of the temple. Now there is one that I remember something.
Speaker 3: John Damascus mentions it somewhere anyway, But if you go
Speaker 3: back and listen to my lectures in Johnamascus on the
Speaker 3: exposition orthdox Faith, I mentioned it in those lectures. Now
Speaker 3: that's just ones that I've noticed. There's more, But man,
Speaker 3: the Eastern fathers aren't a lot more. Now, Hippolytiss is
Speaker 3: a Latin father right now, but typically the Eastern Fathers
Speaker 3: are clearer on this. Now, just as an interesting side note,
Speaker 3: because the Trads are almost never prediced. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but the Trads are like they don't get this. But
Speaker 3: in the old Saint Andrew missile from my trid days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: see see here's proof trad See how warned this is.
Speaker 3: It's actually worn out. The gold leaf leafing is all
Speaker 3: worn out because I actually did take my tradism seriously
Speaker 3: and I actually did go to the Latin mass for
Speaker 3: me many years. It's not fake, it's all it's all true.
Speaker 3: I made up. There is a lengthy note on criticism.
Speaker 3: Where is it? I remember it from my trid base.
Speaker 3: Got it marked somewhere. I think it's one of the
Speaker 3: readings for like Easter or something. Here it is, I
Speaker 3: found it. So in the traditional Latin missile the twenty
Speaker 3: fourth and last Sunday after Pentecost. Your missile notes.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 3: Dude, this text is so small. I can't even read it.
Speaker 3: Look at this text.
Speaker 5: It's when do you read that? Look at that anyway?
Speaker 5: Here you can see I'm not making it up. If
Speaker 5: you want to screenshot that and read it later.
Speaker 3: Getting in that HD ten eighty p. Says the Assyrians
Speaker 3: have destroyed Samaria and the Chaldeans have laid waste to Jerusalem,
Speaker 3: but all this desolation will be repaired by the Messiah.
Speaker 3: When he comes. Micah goes on to foretell that Christ
Speaker 3: will be born in Bethlehem and his kingdom, that of
Speaker 3: the heavenly Jerusalem, will have no end. The prophets naem
Speaker 3: habakk zephy Andiah, at Hagai, Zachariah, and Malachi, whose books
Speaker 3: are read in the Divine Office the same week, their
Speaker 3: testimony to that of Micah. In Our Lord's first words
Speaker 3: in Today's Gospel, he quotes Daniel's prophecy of the total
Speaker 3: and final ruin of the Temple at Jerusalem and of
Speaker 3: the Jewish nation at the hands of the Roman army,
Speaker 3: this abomination of desolation being incurred by the people of
Speaker 3: Israel for rejecting Christ. As a matter of fact, this
Speaker 3: prediction was fulfill some years after the Lord's death, exactly
Speaker 3: in seventy eighty. This destruction of the temple is a
Speaker 3: type of the end of the world, and then it
Speaker 3: goes on to it. Basically, to repeat this, I had
Speaker 3: to stand up because I can barely read this tiny,
Speaker 3: tiny print. So there you go. Even the Latin missile
Speaker 3: teaches preterism. Go che on that tread. All right. So
Speaker 3: now we brought this up many times, but I always
Speaker 3: have to bring it up. People say, ooh a little.
Speaker 3: Most likes to read on this. So if you want
Speaker 3: an introduction book to this topic, I would say this
Speaker 3: is a good one. Great tribulation by David Chiltern. Children
Speaker 3: came close to Orthodoxy in his latter days. I don't
Speaker 3: think he ever officially converted. And there is a new
Speaker 3: one out I haven't read. I think Lightheart has a
Speaker 3: commentary on the Apocalypse that's good. I haven't read it,
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to recommend it. But this is
Speaker 3: a classic. So if you can get your hands on
Speaker 3: David Chilton's Day's a Vengeance, they're both good. And also
Speaker 3: the Hermaeutic at work here that is based on the
Speaker 3: Church Fathers. If there was one good book on hermautics,
Speaker 3: I would recommend it from an Orthodox perspective. But I
Speaker 3: mean you could read Maximus or something like that, because
Speaker 3: he'll tell you the you know, the four layers of
Speaker 3: the scripture. That's pretty common by the late Middle Ages.
Speaker 3: All the East and West have the four senses of scripture.
Speaker 3: But if you are coming from a Protestant mindset, maybe
Speaker 3: you want a more biblical introduction to the topic of hermaeutics.
Speaker 3: James Jordan basically borrowed the Church Father's hermanudic and put
Speaker 3: it into a book. Of course, you can skip his
Speaker 3: Protestant stuff and just go right into Orthodoxy. But Through
Speaker 3: New Eyes is a good book. It is a good
Speaker 3: spirit of the Patristic hermeneutic. He's kind of a quasi Anglican,
Speaker 3: I guess now nowadays anyway, So those are good intro
Speaker 3: level stuff. There's there's more, obviously could be said, but
Speaker 3: and there's many more Church Father's texts on preterism too.
Speaker 3: I'm just giving you a sample. How long have we gone,
Speaker 3: hour and a half. It's pretty good. So a few
Speaker 3: last points on Antichrist. I mean, so my view, yes,
Speaker 3: I think that what we saw occur in these patterns
Speaker 3: of people. Okay, Pharaoh type of Antichrist, Judas type of Antichrist,
Speaker 3: Pole of me third Maccabees type of Antichrist. Antiochus, Epiphanies
Speaker 3: type of Antichrist. Nebuchinese are type of Antichrist, because Neger
Speaker 3: sets with this giant idol and says you have to
Speaker 3: worship it or you die. Nero. If you read Gentry's
Speaker 3: book before Jerusalem fell, his THHD thesis. Think proves Nero
Speaker 3: is the Antichrist of the first century. That's what the
Speaker 3: Book of the Apocalypse is immediate context is. That's why
Speaker 3: John says at the beginning of the Apocalypse that what
Speaker 3: I'm writing to the seven churches of Asian mine are
Speaker 3: they are going to experience quickly. So, yeah, there's a
Speaker 3: full there's a final fulfillment. Apocalypse nineteen all right, the
Speaker 3: Great White Throne, Judgment, the return of Christ, the millennial Rain,
Speaker 3: the millennial reign is something that began first Advent. It's
Speaker 3: not a thousand years of eating giant grapes and moving palsign.
Speaker 3: It's a spiritual kingdom that was established. That is the Church.
Speaker 3: The Church is a millennial rain. Those who are baptized
Speaker 3: participate in the first Resurrection, and then the new heavens
Speaker 3: and the New Earth. In the Orthodox view, is the
Speaker 3: renovation of this world. This universe, right, this universe is renovated,
Speaker 3: it's transfigured. When Christ became incarnate. The purpose of that
Speaker 3: was to restore what Adam had lost. This in the
Speaker 3: Patristic teaching is what's called the recapitulation. Now this unfortunately,
Speaker 3: this doctrine is lost in the West after the time
Speaker 3: of Augustine. Nobody knows has any idea what recapitulation is.
Speaker 3: It is fundamental, however, to Orthodox theology from here Anas
Speaker 3: all the way up through to John Damascus, there is
Speaker 3: a recapitulation where Christ restores what Adam lost, and that
Speaker 3: being the nature. Nature is restored. It doesn't mean everybody saved, though,
Speaker 3: because the way that you in hypostatize nature and utilize
Speaker 3: your will is going to determine whether it's ever ill
Speaker 3: being or ever well being in the escaton. That's basic
Speaker 3: Saint Maximums teaching right there. But the nature itself is
Speaker 3: going to be restored, and that's why all men are resurrected.
Speaker 3: That's why even the wicked are resurrected because of Christ
Speaker 3: restoring their nature. But having your nature restored does not
Speaker 3: mean that you get an automatically pleasurable experience of the escoton. Right,
Speaker 3: nature can be restored, but the experience of nature depends
Speaker 3: on the tropos, the mode in which nature exists, which
Speaker 3: is in the mode of persons. So individual hypostaces will
Speaker 3: have a different experience depending upon how they utilize their
Speaker 3: natural will for virtue or for vice. According to Saint
Speaker 3: Maxims and by extension, according to Jonan Maskins, who follows
Speaker 3: Saint Maximus to the tea, now will there be a
Speaker 3: great tribulation and all that? Yeah, I think so. I think.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of these things. And now to
Speaker 3: what degree every element of the Apocalypse is mirrored at
Speaker 3: the end of time. I don't know. Anybody who tells
Speaker 3: you they know everything about that is lying to you,
Speaker 3: and it's I'm kind of John Hage Konyent. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe if God grants me the grace in thirty years,
Speaker 3: if I'm still alive, maybe then I'll know more about that.
Speaker 3: But I don't pretend to know. And anybody who claims
Speaker 3: to know all the mysteries of scripture, especially in regard
Speaker 3: to the Apocalypse, which is, you know, one of the
Speaker 3: most difficult books, along with the other apocalypsees Zachariah Ezekiel.
Speaker 3: They're very difficult books. So we have to tread lightly
Speaker 3: and we have to understand that from the Orthodox perspective,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of factors that will go into how
Speaker 3: we interpret and understand these texts, which first of all,
Speaker 3: can't be done purely by studying and reading books. So
Speaker 3: the news has to be cleansed through repentance, through good works,
Speaker 3: aesthetic practice, prayer, liturgy. Then we grow in our understanding
Speaker 3: of these things by God's grace and so and then
Speaker 3: it's not just us reading right, it's our experience. It's
Speaker 3: in the liturgy where God teaches us. In the liturgy,
Speaker 3: we read the lives of the saints, we get taught there.
Speaker 3: We look at the icons, we read the icons and
Speaker 3: they teach us as well. We read the Bible, it
Speaker 3: teaches us. So there's this symbiotic relationship between all of
Speaker 3: these things. We read, the church fathers, they teach us.
Speaker 3: All of these things go into right. So then every
Speaker 3: time we come back to read the Bible, we have
Speaker 3: an even greater, even broader, better perspective by being immersed
Speaker 3: in the totality of this experience of the church's life.
Speaker 3: So all those things go into it. Right. You can't
Speaker 3: like separate, Well, I just want my Bible. I'm just
Speaker 3: Google read my Bible in the corner and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: figure all this stuff out. No, that's idiotic. It's not that.
Speaker 3: It's not a book that's meant for you to go
Speaker 3: sit in the corner and figure it all out. By yourself.
Speaker 3: It's not an algorithm that you decode. It has to
Speaker 3: be a lived thing, right, And I don't care who
Speaker 3: you are or how much you've read, Like The Apocalypse
Speaker 3: is a difficult book. And I don't even think that
Speaker 3: anybody's gonna understand all these mysteries until well, ultimately, not
Speaker 3: until the Escuton obviously, but as we get closer to
Speaker 3: the time of these final final things, then yeah, God
Speaker 3: will grant more understanding to you know, the saints, to
Speaker 3: the Alders, these kinds of people in the church, you know,
Speaker 3: people who are following him. He will grant the understanding
Speaker 3: of those things. But as Paul says, let us strive
Speaker 3: to eat meat and not to only feed on milk. Right,
Speaker 3: what does Hebrews say? You should be taking strong doctrine
Speaker 3: and meat, not just staying fixated on the milk the
Speaker 3: baby stuff. So we are supposed to get into I mean,
Speaker 3: they're here for a reason, all right, and get sick
Speaker 3: of the people who are luck well, we won't read
Speaker 3: that stuff in our church. Well, that's because you're idiot,
Speaker 3: the Bible says. Scripture says, blessed are those who read
Speaker 3: the Apocalypse. Why would you not want a blessing. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's idiotic, stupid anyway. So that's a good introduction
Speaker 3: to what we want to caution against and the direction
Speaker 3: that we want to go to understand these very difficult things.
Speaker 3: And hopefully this can be a good introduction for the
Speaker 3: future questions of eschatology, Bible, prophecy, this kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that there's so much sensationalism, so much idiocy, so many
Speaker 3: con men, so much stupid crap. And look, I was
Speaker 3: raised in the evangelical gift you stuff, so I'm trying
Speaker 3: to save you from having to go through a bunch
Speaker 3: of nonsense. Okay, I was a dispensationalist. I thought when
Speaker 3: I was nineteen, I'm on a prophecy study Bible. I
Speaker 3: thought John Hagey was right. So I had to go
Speaker 3: through all this stupid stuff. And I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: tell you that you don't have to. Okay, I went
Speaker 3: through all this crap for you. Man, If you want
Speaker 3: to be hard headed and go through all that stupid stuff,
Speaker 3: well good luck with have fun, because it's going to
Speaker 3: be a nightmare. But this is much better. This is
Speaker 3: the mature, traditional historic approach anyway. So hopefully this has
Speaker 3: this is we want a sober approach that what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to do, right, We want to be sober on
Speaker 3: the one hand, but not fall into the liberal nonsense
Speaker 3: on the other hand, of like denying the inspiration and
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. Right, just think about Jesus's day.
Speaker 3: Who are the two dialectical opposite goophises that Jesus is
Speaker 3: always having to interact with the scribes and the Pharisees.
Speaker 3: And who are the scribes, the Sadducees the liberals? Remember
Speaker 3: how it says that that the Sadducees deny resurrection, that
Speaker 3: deny miracles and the existence of angels. And Jesus says
Speaker 3: that they're idiots and they are hard hearted and they
Speaker 3: have no faith, that they don't believe the scriptures. Me
Speaker 3: constantly says that to them, they're the liberals. And who
Speaker 3: are the Pharisees, the rigorous super super I'm holier than
Speaker 3: now and making up all these laws that aren't even
Speaker 3: in the actual revelation. Right, And guess what, we still
Speaker 3: have these same two extremes in our day. We have
Speaker 3: the liberals. Do whatever you want. There's no miracles religion
Speaker 3: as a symbol. It's just moral tales or whatever, and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and then you've got rigorous on the
Speaker 3: other the extremist Pharisees. And by the way, who got
Speaker 3: the worst condemnation, the rigorous. Now, I'm not telling you
Speaker 3: to be a liberal. I'm just saying that how we
Speaker 3: strike that balance is very important because Jesus' harshest condemnations
Speaker 3: are for the Pharisees, even above the sagescees. So I'm
Speaker 3: not telling you to be a liberal at all. Right,
Speaker 3: I believe Jesus is very clear about the inspiration of
Speaker 3: the text, the inherancy of the text. Jesus has a
Speaker 3: strong view of in and inspiration, and he pronounces a
Speaker 3: blessing for those who read the Old Testament. He says,
Speaker 3: you're like a treasure hunter who brings treasure out of
Speaker 3: old into the New if you understand and study the
Speaker 3: Old Testament. He says that not one jot or tittle
Speaker 3: of the Old Testament is wrong or will fail. So
Speaker 3: we should get our doctrine of inspiration from Christ and
Speaker 3: from the Church fathers. And by the way, the Church
Speaker 3: fathers teach inernancy. There might be debate between textual traditions
Speaker 3: like origin and Jerome to Patristic era textual critics. They
Speaker 3: might have disputed different copies, but Jerome has some of
Speaker 3: the strongest statements on inerrancy. If you look at what
Speaker 3: he says on the Psalms. Jerome goes so far as
Speaker 3: to say that even the introductions to the Psalms, even
Speaker 3: the sections of the songs have letters like Psalm one
Speaker 3: Drum says, even those are inspired. He says, the Holy
Speaker 3: Spirit put those there. So this idea that, oh, the
Speaker 3: Church fathers they didn't teach you inerancy. I can be
Speaker 3: liberal if I become worthoo it. No you can't, No,
Speaker 3: you can't. Total nonsense. I could give you fifty quotes
Speaker 3: from the Church Fathers on the inerancy, inspiration, and authority
Speaker 3: of Scripture. Total misunderstanding. And by the way, smart Protestants
Speaker 3: can run circles around Catholics and dumb Orthodox who think
Speaker 3: that the Church Fathers don't teach inspiration and inernancy. Anyway,
Speaker 3: let's read some of the super chats, so I hope
Speaker 3: this is helpful, just to give a Patristic balanced traditional interpretation.
Speaker 3: It is the time of the resurrection, I mean technically
Speaker 3: right now, it's like the next day, but today was
Speaker 3: erection Sunday. I hope everybody had a good pasca, even
Speaker 3: though it's a corunka pasca, which is all very bizarre.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we want to understand that let the Bible
Speaker 3: inform our view of the world. Don't take headlines and
Speaker 3: read them into the Bible. That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 3: caution against. You see, does that mean we can't look
Speaker 3: at the where is my note? I mean, if you
Speaker 3: think about some of the examples, the rise of occultism, okay,
Speaker 3: brain links, abration, right, nano dots, r f I D, transhumanism, ecumenism,
Speaker 3: Internet of Things, five GA, a global economy, universal basic income,
Speaker 3: end of the family. Are these signs of the time? Yes?
Speaker 3: They are now. A lot of these evils in different
Speaker 3: forms have been around, so I wouldn't immediately say that, Well,
Speaker 3: we're definitely in the final, final end times. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of prophecies that still have to be fulfilled. So
Speaker 3: we know the end of the world's not coming tomorrow,
Speaker 3: but regardless, it could be could be the end of
Speaker 3: the world. I don't know. I don't claim to know anyway,
Speaker 3: So we had to be wise on how we approach
Speaker 3: these things. I would say that if things keep getting
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Speaker 3: He says, are demons archetypes of chaos like reverse logi. No,
Speaker 3: because logi or uncreated energies that are the patterns and
Speaker 3: archetypes of all things that are created. So angels are
Speaker 3: like all creation. They possess a created nature. The logi
Speaker 3: are not identical to created natures or essences. The logie
Speaker 3: are uncreated, but creative beings have created natures and created essences.
Speaker 3: So angels are beings that are. They have a angelic nature,
Speaker 3: and they also have an individual hypostasis, each one of them.
Speaker 3: Basil's very clear about this in his thirty eighth letter,
Speaker 3: where he describes nature in person as distinct and the
Speaker 3: hyposthetic properties, and he also explains angels as having an
Speaker 3: angelic nature and each individual hypostasis so of their own angels.
Speaker 3: So demons are angels that are created beings that have fallen,
Speaker 3: and so they're not merely archetypes, but they're actually personal
Speaker 3: demonic beings. Their nature is still good, but they have
Speaker 3: confirmed themselves in evil. We don't explain exactly understand exactly
Speaker 3: how it all works in the angelic realm, but that's
Speaker 3: what has been revealed to us about the good angels
Speaker 3: and the fallen angels. Mark David Chapman, Wow, thank you?
Speaker 3: Is that Jared Leto has Mark David Chapman or the
Speaker 3: actual Mark David Chapman who faked his death perhaps and
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Speaker 3: Hopefully we have a balanced approach to eschatology and hermeneutics
Speaker 3: from an orthodox biblical perspective. I hope everybody enjoyed the stream. Again,
Speaker 3: thank you to Mark David Chapman, my assassination, bro there
Speaker 3: for such a fat super chat. That was really generous
Speaker 3: of you. Much appreciated. And I think that's everything. That's
Speaker 3: all I can think of, covered all the books I
Speaker 3: wanted to. Yeah, God bless everybody, have a good night.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the resurrection, right, I mean, that
Speaker 3: was the whole point of this. Somebody was getting mad
Speaker 3: at me the beginning of the stream. Why are you
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Speaker 3: It was a great string. We had a sober discussion
Speaker 3: of a topic that everybody's getting overly sensational about. Anyway,
Speaker 3: God bless her matter. Have a good night.