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Speaker 1: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: Throw he yawn he yawn.

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Speaker 1: He thre there there there there.

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Speaker 3: There all right, welcome. Well, we haven't talked theology in

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a while, have we. We've talked a lot about goofy things.

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I've been a lot of goofy videos, but we haven't

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gotten into one of these kind of deeper theological streams

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in a while. And these are not the easiest, they're

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not the most popular. We know, the hardcore Jason Elsi's

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fans enjoy them, and I want to thank you guys

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for tagging along for being here. Actually, I wasn't really

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planning on doing a theological stream, and then the more

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I thought about it, the more I thought, no, let's

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do that, because that's ultimately that's what matters. But so

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I was listing different things that everybody's kind of talking about,

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all the stuff that people are worried about. I'm goind

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of surprised more evangelicals aren't freaking out thinking it's the

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end of the world. But then again, I guess they

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think that QAnon is gonna save everybody or whatever. So

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I want to talk about prophecies anti christ. I want

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to talk about that kind of stuff. What the Patristic

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view is how there's actually solutions in the Orthodox canon

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of scripture that you're missing in the other canon's descripture.

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traditions gets everything wrong. They don't. But I think that

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you got two big things that you get in Orthodoxy

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that are big aids to this that you don't find

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in like Protestant groups, and that's the Church Fathers and

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the liturgy. The Church Fathers and the liturgy become key

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aids to help us interpret the because of the Bible

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itself is part of a liturgical tradition. It's part of

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a tradition of daily readings in the ancient Church, and

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the fact that they were part of those daily readings

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is partly how we know what the Canona Scripture is,

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as we've shown in many of the lectures and talks.

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that the liturgy is a accumulation of centuries of wisdom

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of the Church. Now, the reason we put such a

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strong belief and emphasis in the visible Church is because

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Christ promised to a historic visible group of people that

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the Holy Spirit would be with that group to lead

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it and guide it into truth and protect it from error.

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It would not be overcome by error. Doesn't mean there

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won't be squabbles, there won't be periods where there's a

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lot of people who believe error. But in Toto, the

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Church will never at any point be completely consumed by era.

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in the world, and faithful by extension, even in periods

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of mass apostasy. So we're gonna get into some of

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these kind of tough issues tonight and some of the

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tough doctrines that bug a lot of people, and hopefully

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I can cover this in a profitable way. There's a

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specific article I want to bring out that a lot

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of people don't know about. Actually, actually there's two, so

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maybe I should bring both of these up. We'll get

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to that later. But so the first one that we

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want to talk about is if you've listened to the

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totality of the Genesis li which we completed all those

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we got all through the entirety of Genesis, and then

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you heard the important prophecy in Genesis forty nine, which

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is the prediction of when the Messiah would come, and

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when this prediction is given Jacob prophesies something very specific

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that is a key indicator that would let the people

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of Israel know that their Messiah had come. That key

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indicator is Genesis forty nine ten or eleven. It says,

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who will rouse him? The scepter will not depart from Judah,

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nor a lawgiver from between his loins until Shiloh comes,

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and unto him will be the expectation of the nations.

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He will bind his cult to a vine, and his

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donkey's cult to its branch. He will wash his garments

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in wine his blood, and his clothes with the blood

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of grapes. His eyes are gladden from the vine from

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the wine, and his teeth are whiter than milk. This is,

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of course, of course, one of the classic Messianic prophecies,

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and so we know, I mean, even in the Jewish tradition,

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this is a Messianic prophety. I mean, they don't believe

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that it was Christ obviously, but it's pretty well known

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as a Messianic prophecy. What's the first thing that we're

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told is that the scepter, that is royal lineage, is

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not going to depart from the house and tribe of Judah.

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logover in some way until Shiloh, until Messiah comes, and

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when he comes, he will be the expectation of the gentiles. Again,

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one of the great key indicators that we've covered many,

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many times all throughout the Old Testament is that when

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the Messiah comes, the gentiles will repent and turn to

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the God of Israel over and over and over in

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the Psalms, and the major prophets and the minor prophets,

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over and over and over and over, and even back

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in Genesis. Early in Genesis the prediction not just here,

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but realize that Jacob. All Jacob's doing is summarizing what

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is in the Abrahamic Covenant, the promise that when the

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Messiah comes, he would be the expectation. He would bless

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all the tribes and families and nations of the earth.

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your mindset in their mindset. I mean, this just seems crazy, right,

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all the nations and turn these nations to the true God.

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How that's crazy? That's never going to happen. These people

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they worship, you know, demons and sticks and rocks and

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but and even Israel falls into worshiping holes in numbers

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bail Pure, the Lord of open holes. And that is

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exactly what you think. That's exactly what it is. Yes,

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the ancient Kroleian rites of but the butt liturgy. Now

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a few verses later, this is as Joseph is prophesying

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about each of the tribes of Israel what their future

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will be. Now, these prophecies oftentimes have a double fulfillment,

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so in one sense, the historical fulfillment is clearly about

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the tribe of Judah. Here that Judah will have a lineage,

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Judah will be the royal lineage. He's predicting the tribe

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of Judah would be the tribe that would be the

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royal lineage. That happened, Right, we know that in the

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time of the kings, right, David descends from this lineage.

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David is of the tribe of Judah. And we know

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that in the time of the kings you have the

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division of the kingdom. Right, Jereboma and Raybauam, the sons

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of Solomon have a schism within Israel, and you have

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the evil Northern kings who are all bad, and then

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you have the Southern tribe, which is the legitimate place

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of worship, the legitimate kings in the tribe of Judah,

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where the tabernacle on the temple are lawfully placed. They

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have a few, right, There's Josiah, there's David, but they

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have a lot of bad ones too. But Israel is

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really bad. I mean, Israel becomes the term for the

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northern tribes and the southern tribe Judah. Right, So what's

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amazing about this prophecy, first of all, is that there

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will be a royal lineage all the way until Messiah comes,

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implying that the will depart after that. So you will

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know when the Messiah comes when there's no more dividic kings.

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There are no more dividic kings. There haven't been divided

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kings in two thousand years. Okay. We're not here to

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talk about debate. We're not debating genetics in here. That's

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not what this topic is about. We're here to talk

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about old the biblical theology. Okay, So we're not going

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to get into these debates about this stuff anyway. This

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has nothing to do with Ashkenazi stuff. We're not debating that.

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So there's an interesting prophecy though after this, which, by

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the way, let me add that this shows you that

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God is not inherently opposed to monarchy, because this is

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a prediction of a monarchy. This is a prediction of

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a royal scepter in the royal lineage through David. And

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so this dumb argument that people have by the time

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that we get to judges, who judges is the treatise

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against the moner because they had they had judges. The

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book says that because there's no king in Israel, everybody

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did what was right in their own eyes. It's an

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anti judges treatise. The whole Book of Judges is a

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treatise for monarchy. So it's just really kind of idiotic

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when people think that, oh, the bibbles against Mourner, No,

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it's not. Jesus is the king of kings, so it's

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not against monarchy. There are warnings, right, What does Samuel

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warn everybody? He says, if you ask for the king,

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he says, it's gonna be bad for you. Why is

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it going to be bad. He's gonna take your daughters,

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He's gonna take your h O. E s's make them

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make them h O. Yes, why because of the institution itself? No,

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because he says, you guys want a king after the nations.

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What did the Pagans around Israel do? They worshiped their kings.

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They viewed their kings, their warrior lord or lord kings.

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Caesar the son of God. The pagan kings always foisted

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themselves upon their masses as divine or semi divine. Pharaoh

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is the apex between heaven and Earth. That's why it's

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a pyramid, right, So if you're if you're familiar with this,

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this is pretty common. So in ancient Egyptian metaphysics, this

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is the this world, this is the earth. It's a pyramid.

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meeting point, the bridge between heaven and Earth. And that's

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why he's at the top of the pyramid, because he

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is the tarnate. You can say raw. He's raw on

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earth in human incarnation, not in a biblical sense. He's

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that in the Egyptian metaphysic, it's more like pantheism. Everything

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is God, but not you. You're just like lower down

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on that pyramid. Really, it's they that's good, not you. Right,

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hold on, I'm gonna race this race board, all right.

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my Ancient Metaphysics talks, we cover that all that Egyptian

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metaphysics and whatnot. You can you'll find those old talks.

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find those. So we have this prediction of when the

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Messiah would be more and there will be signs that

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a company it. The signs would be that there would

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no longer be a royal house, a royal lineage. The

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Gentiles will begin to convert and guess what this happened?

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in seventy a d. There was a very important event

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that happened, and it was the destruction of the Temple

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in Jerusalem. So now we want to look at one

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of the key texts that shows us this, and we

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want to stress this because this is very important for

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vindicating the Bible when we have done theology. When we

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are idiots and get this wrong, we undermine our own

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view and our own coherency, our own worldview, our own

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proof texts. And I'm going to show you that this

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is the Patristic view. I mean, maybe a lot of

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you don't know this, but this is a common mistake

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people make. They're going to stick everything in the future,

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and they're going to undermine and miss one of the

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key proofs of our position. If you look at Luke

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twenty one, Jesus says he looked up and saw the

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rich putting their gifts into the treasury, and he saw

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a certain poor widow putting in two mites. And he said, truly,

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I said to you, this poor widow has put in

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more than all for these, out of their abundance, have

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put in offerings for God. But she, out of her poverty,

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in all the livelihood that she had. Then some of

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them spoke of the temple and how it was adorned

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with beautiful stones and donations. And he said, the things

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that you see this temple, the days will come in

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which not one stone will be left upon another that

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will not be torn down. And they asked the teacher

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when will this be what will be the sign that

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these things are about to take place? Take heed you

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the people standing in front of him. This is a key.

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This is a big mistake. Especially people who don't know

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how to interpret texts, who not studied or taken any

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courses on hermeneuticts. They'll say, oh, this is talking about

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the end of the world. Now, it does have an

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application to the end of time. It has an application

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to all throughout time, right, But we don't divorce it

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from the immediate historic context.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is called the grammatical historical, the literal level of interpretation.

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build the rest of the Hermititic layers on, we understand

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the immediate context and the immediate audience. Who is Jesus

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talking to here? It's not directly talking to me, right,

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But the Bible isn't written to you. Okay, that's like

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schizophrenia level stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: That's why a lot of the people in the world

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think that religious people are wackos. The book's not talking

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to you, dude, not in that way. So how do

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we understand how this applies to us? And again, I'm

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gonna show you that everything I'm telling you is one

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in line with the teaching of the Church fathers. This

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is not I know this because I made all these

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dumb mistakes. I'm not saying I'm schizophrenic, but I was

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raised Evangelical. I was raised Protestant.

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Speaker 4: Oh dude, justum in the world. Let me get my

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prophecy charts out. I'm gonna chart out this out of

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the end of the world, and we're gonna blow the

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show far. The trumpet judgments are coming. John Hagen.

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Speaker 3: Readmind new book. My name's John Hagee, and I have

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eaten twenty four blood moons, twenty four blood move twenty

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four moon by blood Moons ususual is not the most

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raw I had to throw at John Hagen in there

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for you guys. I'll know you guys. Everybody loves the

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John Hagen. What does it say? It says take heed

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that you being out in deceived. Many will come in

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my name, they will say, I am he. The time

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is not yet drawn near it. Do not go after them.

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But when you hear of wars and commotions, don't be terrified,

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for these things must come to pass first. The end

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will not come immediately. The end of what in the world,

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not in the immediate context. The end of the world

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is not what Jesus talking about. Jesus is talking about

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the temple. That's what they're talking about. You see this,

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I'm gonna tell you. When this temple is about to

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be ripped down. He says, nation will rise against nation,

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kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes in many places, famines, pestilenceys,

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fearful signs, and great signs from heaven. But before all

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these things that will lay hands will persecute you, and

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they will deliver you to synagogues. Are we all being

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delivered up to synagogues for the people who think that

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we're suddenly in times right now? No, but the disciples

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were delivered up, weren't they In the Book of Acts exactly?

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Guess what everything that Jesus listed, there's examples of that.

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In Books of Acts. There's earthquakes, there are famines and

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pestilences mentioned. Have you read Josephus. I have. Josephus was

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an eyewitness to the destruction of temple of the temple,

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and he mentions all these things. In fact, I wrote

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a graduate paper, now, an undergraduate paper, and I'll put

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it here. Here is one of my undergraduate papers on

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this very topic. Go read that, where I cite extensively

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from Josephus, the eyewitness to this stuff. Anyway, back to

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the text, it says, they will deliver you up to

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the synagogues and prisons, but you will be brought before

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kings and rulers. For my namesake, there's not a whole

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lot of kings in the world today. Are we all

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going to be brought before the king of Monaco and

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being persecuted? So how many kings are there? Really?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: But it will turn out to you for an occasion

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for testimony. Well, guess what. That happens multiple times in

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the Book of Acts, doesn't it. Paul before Felix, Paul

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before Agrippa. Yeah. Therefore, do not set it in your

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hearts to meditate beforehand what you will answer, for I

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will give you a mouth and a wisdom that all

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your adversaries will not be able to resist. Act seven,

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when Saint Stephen Jesus speaks directly through prophesies through Saint Stephen.

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I'm sorry, but John Hagy is not prophesying. Jesus is

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not speaking through John Hagen. You will be betrayed by

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your parents and brothers and relatives, and they will put

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you to death, and you will be hated by all

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for by namesake, but not a hair of your heads

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will be lost by your patients, possess your souls. When

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you immediate context, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,

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know that its destruction is near. How could it be

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any more clear than this? This is talking about what

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happened forty years later. Jerusalem was surrounded by armonies and

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it was destroyed. Then, let you, in the immediate context here,

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who are in Judea fleet to the mountains. Let those

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who are in the midst of her depart, for those

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who are in the country enter her. For these the

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days of vengeance, in which all things written in the

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prophets are to be fulfilled. For woe to those who

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are pregnant and nursing in those days, for there will

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be great distress in the land and wrouth upon this people.

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This is not talking about a global catastrophe. It's talking

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about the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy eighty. Now we

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know that at this time, and many of these people

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fled to Petra in places like this right to because

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they were warned. Am I supposed to flee to Judea?

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Am I supposed to leave Tennessee and flee to Judea?

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Is this talking about all the Christians in the world,

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but to flee to Judea. That's ridiculous. That's idiotic. Stop

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being idiotic. What else does he say? You better hope

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your journey is not on the Sabbath. We don't keep

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the Sabbath in the way that it was kept at

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this time. This is during the period when the Sabbath

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is still being kept. In the Book of Acts, it's

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the transition period. Seventy a d completes the transition period

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from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. It's not

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just Jesus' death, roren, resurrection and ascension the Book of Acts,

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remember Pentecost. Isn't Pentecost part of the Escaton being brought

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into reality? Of course, it is. Joel predicts in the

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last days, the spirit will be poured out upon all

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my people handmaids as well. What is that talking about.

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Is that talking about the the blood Moons of Isruel?

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It mentions the blood Moon, doesn't it? But how does

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Acts interpret the Book of Joel? Does it say that

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it's the end of the world and John Hagen's goofy church. No,

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it says that at Pentecost. In Acts too, Joel is

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being fulfilled. Do you see that what Joel is talking

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about is the exact same thing Jesus is talking about. Now,

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this is an interesting text here he says, these people,

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somehow in this nation that had rejected him, they will

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fall by the edge of the sword. They will be

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led away captive into all the nations. That's not talking

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about the end of the world. That happened forty years

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later the diaspora. Don't you know basic history? No, Evangelic

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don't know basic history. By the way, a lot of

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Protestants and Orthodox get this wrong as well. And we're

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going to see the Church fathers rebuking many protest Orthots

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and Catholics on this topic. In fact, I'm gonna even

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show you in Catholic teaching, Catholic liturgy talks about preterism.

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But you didn't know that, did you? And I found

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that in a trad work. I couldn't believe it an

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old trad Missile actually mentions preterism. It's amazing anyway, rare fine,

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rare gems. Nobody else has ever noticed this or talked

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about this. Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until

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the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Now, even the

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evangelicals in their own wrong goofy interpretation of this can't

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make sense of that text because they've put that at

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the end of the world. So Jerusalem is going to

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be trampled by gentiles.

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Speaker 1: For what.

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Speaker 3: Three and a half years? But he just said that

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the Jews are gonna be led captive into all the

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other nations. That's not talk about the end of the world.

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That's what happened forty years later after he said this.

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Now I'm gonna there's many many more texts we're gonna

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look at. But you understand the import of this. If

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you move all this to the future, all unfulfilled, the

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force of all of this argumentation, the force of the

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reality that was brought at the First Advent is gone.

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The Church is no longer the actuality of Heaven on Earth.

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It's some aschotological thing at the end of time. That's

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not here. Now we're still waiting on all this stuff. Right. Oh,

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it's a dispensation of a different Plan B. No, there's

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no Plan B. Christ is the fulfillment of all the

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covenants in him. Every promise of God is yeay. Paul says,

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it's not some postpone thing. That's crazy talk. Nobody believed

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that dumb heresy until one hundred years ago. Looking for

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my other Bible, because I've got some interesting notes in there.

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these cosmic signs. What do you mean there were no

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cosmic signs in the first century, mister evangelical, Yes there were.

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Josephis describes them. He was an eyewitness. The powers of

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heaven will be shaken. We lose the powers of heaven

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shooking first suit you do you know what it means

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when the prophets use the term the powers of heaven

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will be shaken. In Isaiah Knight, I think it's nineteen

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Off the top of my head, there's a text where

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it says God will come into Egypt and destroy Egypt.

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Isaiah's prophesies. God will return, He will come the powers

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of heaven will be shaken. He said, it would be

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like the luminaries will fall. That means the rulers. Luminaries

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represent rulers, doesn't always mean literally the sun and the

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moon fall down and everything's destroyed. Now, at the end

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of the world, there will be a renovation of the

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entire creation. Yes, but that's not what this is talking about.

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Did God return in Isaiah nineteen to Egypt when he

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uses the exact same phraseology and language of Luke twenty one? No,

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of course not. Did the whole Was all of heaven

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destroyed in Isaiah nineteen. No, And that's talking about a

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prophecy in Isaiah's day against Egypt. So people get confused

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and they get muddled, and they don't know what they're

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talking about because they don't actually know their Bible from

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cover to cover.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So one of the advantages of being immersed in Protestanism

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forever and ever ever is that you do get to

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know your Bible if you take it seriously right, and

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then you you weed out a lot of these mistakes,

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and then you go and you read the Church fallows

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and you realize they had they had it right the

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whole time, Like you could have just you know, gone

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to them anyway. But I'm going to show you that that, interestingly,

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most of the Eastern Fathers, the important Eastern Fathers, they

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actually were preterists. They got this right. Why this wasn't

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as common in the Latin West, I'm not sure that

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could be attributed to many reasons, who knows, but we

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know that the Eastern Church, the Eastern Fathers were consistent,

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they got it right. I'm even going to show you

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modern monastic works right that talk about preterism. Anyway, Now,

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we're not full preterists. That's heresy. Full pradism is utterly,

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totally unorthodox. I can't believe that all the resurrection, everything

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is already fulfilled. That's crazy. Anyway. Well, let's see, so

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this comes up all the time in our discord. Is

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part of the reason I'm doing this is to have

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something to refer to so we don't have to keep

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giving this talk over and over and over, because I've

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given this explanation about twenty times in discord. So then

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he goes on to talk about the fig tree. The

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fig tree always represents Israel. Israel is withering, right, It's

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a worthless fig tree. It hasn't produced the fruit that

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is supposed to. I got dusty books out its almost

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start sneezing it again. And another one of the key

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texts that we want to know for this. So Luke

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is good because in Luke twenty one it's actually a

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little clearer than Matthew twenty four. They're both the all

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of that discourse, obviously, right. But if you go back

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to Matthew twenty three, right before Matthew twenty four, which

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is Matthew's version of what's in Luke twenty one, Jesus

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says he's talking about the fate of Israel. It's the

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same context. He says, Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who

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stones the prophets and those sent to you. How I

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would have gathered you together as children, as a hen

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gathers er chicken ers win. But you were not willing.

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Your house is left to you desolate. This is a

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prediction of seventy eighty. That's what is talking. It's talking

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about seventy year else has left you desolate? What do

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you think it means? Desolation? What's the abomination of desolation?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, that whole chapter of twenty three is a rebuke

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to that generation, the generation of his day that rejected him.

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That whole chapter is a rebuke of that generation. And

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that generation is what's going to undergo seventy a d.

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Which is the culmination of all of the covenant curses.

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All those predictions of covenant curses are going to be

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exacted upon that generation. From the murder of Able to

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the murder of Zacharia between the Altar, all of that

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will come in culmination as the measure of their iniquity

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fills up upon that generation of Jesus day because they

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rejected the Son of God. So when we understand that,

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we begin to understand. Now, wait a minute. The fall

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of Jerusalem originally to the Babylonians right from five to

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eighty six, that fall is emblematic of the future falls.

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And I'm going to show you that this was true

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even in the Old Testament. This is not some made

471
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,599
up Christian hermenudy. This was true even back then. So

472
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we're all familiar with. If you get to the end

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of the Books of the Kings, right, that's when Israel

474
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falls and they're taken captive. Both first the northern tribe

475
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,119
falls I think to the Syrians, and then the Southern

476
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tribe falls Babylonians, right, and they're led into captivity, and

477
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then they have the seventy years of Babylonian captivity. So

478
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the prophets will speak of this period of captivity, and

479
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of course Daniel is one of the most important for

480
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,800
this time of captivity. And that's why when we see

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Daniel two, we noticed that he gives a prediction of

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successive world empires. The first imagery that describes the success

483
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of world empires is the giant Idyl of Nebukineser's dream.

484
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Everybody's familiar with, hopefully the story of Daniel and Nebukinese's dream,

485
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and it predicts the success of world empires the Babylonian,

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Middle Persian, Greeks, and Romans. Later on we have in

487
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:41,960
Daniel another dream, another vision, and Daniel sees beasts all right. Now,

488
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this is later on in eleven. But before we get

489
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to Daniel eleven, there's in Daniel nine there's a prediction,

490
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famous prediction of the seventy weeks. I'm not going to

491
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get into this the minutia because we would be here

492
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,480
all night and it's it's a lot of debated stuff.

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Let's stick to what's obvious.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And what's obvious is that if you have the Orthodox

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Bible and the Canon of Scripture according to the Orthodox Church,

497
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and if you notice the notes on Daniel nine, what's

498
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the first text that's mentioned there? The Epistle of Barnabas,

499
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one of the early Patristic writings, not in the Canon Scripture,

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but it's very early. Chapter sixteen observes that this chapter

501
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Daniel nine, twenty four to twenty seven is fulfilled when

502
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the temple and the sanctuary were destroyed in seventy eighty.

503
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The Orthodox Study Bible has it right here. Yes, preterism.

504
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Barnabas also points out that the true temple is the

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body of Christ. That's why Jesus says, destroy the temple

506
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and I'll raise it again in three days. Spiritual temple

507
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is His body. By extension the church as well. Thus,

508
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840
the seventy weeks here is meant seventy weeks of years

509
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four hundred and ninety years seventy times seven. The prophecy

510
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applies to Jeremiah's seventy years. This is why Daniel in

511
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the book says, I figured this out by reading jeremiah patterns. So,

512
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unless you wanted to reject Daniel from scripture. Daniel in

513
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the Old Testament is admitting the pattern and recurring pattern

514
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principle of hermautics in the Old Testament itself. This is

515
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because people who oppose our position, they say, oh, that's

516
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not you're violating, that's not improper hermoneutic. You can't just

517
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:35,559
you can't take a prediction in the Old Testament and

518
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:45,320
make patterned applications of Oh, really, well, Daniel does. Saint

519
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:52,400
Hippolotists says, this is about the coming of the Messiah.

520
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Saint Hypologists gives this a preterist interpretation. The Epistle of

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barne of Us gives us a predorist interpretation. This is

522
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not talking about the end of the world. And guess

523
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what if Daniel nine is predist according to these father

524
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then Matthew twenty four and Luke twenty one are also

525
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preterists because they're talking about the same event. Why do

526
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I know that? What does it say? The prophecy says

527
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after sixty two weeks, All right, Messiah the Prince is

528
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who's predicted here. I think everybody knows clearly that's the Messiah, right,

529
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Although some of the goofy evangelicals think Messiah the prince

530
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is the Antichrist, which is utterly ridiculous. But after sixty

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weeks an annoyed one would be put to death. All right,

532
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that's the death of Christ. Come on here, let's stop

533
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,440
being stupid. Okay, there will be a judgment for him.

534
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There will be no upright judge for him. He will

535
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destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince who

536
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is coming. Titus, the Roman warrior, is who destroyed Rusalem.

537
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Jesus says, do you remember the parable of the vine dressers?

538
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He says, what will happen to the vine dressers when

539
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,239
the king comes back? He will bring his armies and

540
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he will destroy those wicked people. Matthew twenty two. Jesus says,

541
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this is what's going to happen in seventy eighty. Do

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you understand that this is why seventy eighty is so important.

543
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It's the end. It's the culmination of the end of

544
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,400
the Mosaic economy and by extension, the entire Old Testament economy.

545
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They shall appoint the city for desolations. This is the

546
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abomination of desolation. Then he will confirm a covenant with

547
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many for one week, and in the middle of the week,

548
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the sacrifice and the drink offering will be taken away,

549
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and there will be in the temple the abomination of desolation.

550
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And at the end of time, and at the end

551
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of the time, excuse me, an end to the desolation

552
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shall be appointed. Let's go back a little bit, because

553
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it actually starts in I read twenty six skip up

554
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to twenty four seventy weeks or a determine for your

555
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,039
people for the Holy City to make an end to sins.

556
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This is the measure of the sins of these people,

557
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Jesus says. All of the culmination of the sins will

558
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come upon this generation. From righteous Able to Zachariah, this generation,

559
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and thus all things written in the prophets will be fulfilled,

560
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Jesus says to the generation standing in front of him.

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Once you know this and then you read through the gospels,

562
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,800
this is so obvious. Of course, that's what he say.

563
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,360
He's not talking about John Hagey and the end of

564
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,400
the world crappy. So I'm about the generation standing in

565
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front of him. I'm not saying there's no application to

566
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the end of the world. We'll get to that. No,

567
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And therefore know therefore and understand that from the going

568
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,119
forth of the word to be answered, and to build

569
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Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince. There will be seventy two weeks.

570
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Excuse me, there shall be seven weeks and sixty two weeks.

571
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Then he will return. The streets in the wall will

572
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be rebuilt, and the time will be left desolate. And

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after sixty two weeks the annoyed to one will be

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put to death. So it's finishing iniquity. It's also to

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atone for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, to

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end and seal up the visions and the prophecies, and

577
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to anoint the Holy of Holies. This is all what

578
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,199
Jesus did. Jesus brings eternal righteousness. Jesus atones for sin.

579
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Jesus ends the old Covenant economy. Just read the Book

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00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,039
of Hebrews. The Book of Hebrews is about this. It

581
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,079
proves this. The whole book is saying that Christ has

582
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,719
brought the reality. We don't need temples, we don't need

583
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:55,320
animal sacrifices, we don't need those old mosaic administration implements

584
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anymore because they're fulfilled in Christ and in the Church.

585
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:04,360
The Church is a continuation of Israel. Once you have

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this mindset, this becomes a very powerful prediction and prophecy.

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And you'll note in the text in the note twenty

588
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four through twenty seven that there is a helpful because

589
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:27,719
we have duterocanonical second Esdras, right, we have Esdras Nehemiah right,

590
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:36,320
second Esdras that if we want to date it roughly

591
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,039
in what's mentioned in second Esdras seven, seven and eight,

592
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,159
then we under Artiser sees then we have a good

593
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,119
case for the actual specific dating. Now that's debated. That's fine.

594
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I'm not that interested in the exact pinpoint because even

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if you don't have that view, this is still believed

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to be written before Rome. So unless you have some

597
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,280
view that I'm not aware of, that Daniel wrote after

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00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,840
the Roman Empire, which I've never heard anybody propose that

599
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:16,000
this is talking about successive world empires. This is talking

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00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:19,039
about and I don't this isn't even debated like the

601
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,719
four successive empires from He's dating it from the time

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00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,239
of Daniel. I mean the Babylonian captivity. It's a babylon

603
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,320
you know, Persians, right, Darius Cyrus that stuff right, Remember

604
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:40,400
that in Isaiah and Daniel, the Greeks, when we have

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00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:47,280
Alexander and Antiochus, Seppefanese and then Rome. And I don't

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00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,280
think anybody down now think of the stupidity of taking

607
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,480
these empires and then taking the last empire under which

608
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,280
the Messiah will be worn according to Daniel, and saying

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that that's the Eu, like these goofy Avenge, think how

610
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,880
stupid that is. It's not the EU that destroys the

611
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,519
whole prophecy of Jesus being born under the fourth Empire

612
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,840
after the Greeks, that's Rome. Jesus is born under the

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Roman Empire. The Gospels make it a point to say that,

614
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to show that it's fulfilling what Daniel predicted. Now things

615
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,079
get difficult, yes they are, Harry, they're difficult when we

616
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,159
come to the sections in Daniel ten and eleven about

617
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,480
the Angelic Visitor, in particular chapter eleven, which appears to

618
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,880
be about the Maccabies, right because it talks about Antiochus,

619
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,280
it talks about the Greeks, so it's predicting, and it

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00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,760
mentions in Daniel eleven the abomination of desolation. How do

621
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,840
we solve this? Well, guess what if you have the

622
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,400
view that I just told you of mirrored events, you

623
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:05,760
know exactly how to solve this because if you read Maccabees,

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then you know that there's a desolation that occurs under

625
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:13,960
the Maccabees, and not just under the Maccabees. It happens

626
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,119
in third Maccabees, undertole of Me. So there's not just

627
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,239
one abomination of desolation the temple gets desecrated. There's an abomination,

628
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,320
abomination that makes for desolations more than once. Now how

629
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:36,400
do I know that? Ultimately? Because Jesus cites Daniel. Jesus

630
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,559
cites Daniel's abomination of desolation. And what's Jesus talking about.

631
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We all know he's talking about seventy eight. We know

632
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,119
that's what he's talking about. When the Romans come in,

633
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,840
they desecrate the temple, just like the Babylonians had back

634
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,960
in five eighty six BC, just like Antiochus does. The Greek,

635
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:05,599
one of Alexander's underlings, he sacrifices a pig on the altar.

636
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Antiochus does. That's what makes the Maccabees so furious. He

637
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,000
desecrates the temple. He's a type of Antichrist. He's a

638
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,559
satanically inspired individual who is mocking God by that action.

639
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,960
Have you not read Maccabee's That's what the whole book's about.

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00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,880
It occurs again ptold of me P told me is

641
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:38,039
a Egyptian ruler. And in third Maccabees there's another type

642
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:46,039
of this event. By the way, Jeremiah predicts these same events, right,

643
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,559
Jeremiah speaks of the abomination of desolation in Jeremiah four.

644
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,880
This is the proof for my view. It's something my view.

645
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,320
I just got this from what the prophets themselves did

646
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,199
in terms of hermeneutics. I didn't invent this, and it's

647
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,000
the way that the church fathers apply this text.

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00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So if you read Jeremiah four, we did a whole

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lecture on Jeremiah. Go listen to that. You will see

651
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,119
the same four animals of Daniel. When Daniel says I

652
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,679
read Jeremiah to get my hermaeneutic in this pattern, he's

653
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,719
not doing anything different than what Jeremiah did. Jeremiah has

654
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,679
the same animals, the same beasts. Now that we understand this,

655
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,079
it's that easy, right. And by the way, when you

656
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:38,000
read into let's see Jeremiah, this continues the curses upon

657
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,199
the people. All you have to do is understand that

658
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,960
it's a recurring pattern. It's that easy. And the key.

659
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:50,320
The key to this is the maccabies. It's Jeremiah eight,

660
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:57,119
by the way. So what I'm saying here is that

661
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,880
this term abomination that makes for decl of abomination of

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00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:09,480
desolation is when the altar is defiled, when a pagan

663
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ruler comes in and defiles the altar. It happens in

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five eighty six base BC with the Babbylony captivity. This

665
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is predicted in Jeremiah thirty six and thirty seven. Right,

666
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this is what Daniel's talking about when he says I

667
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,079
was reading Jeremiah to figure all this out. It says

668
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that I prayed, and Gabriel came and explained all this

669
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to me. So Daniel prophesying under the captivity. You see,

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he's after Jeremiah. He says, I went back, I read

671
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,800
the scrolls of Jeremiah. God enlightened me. Gabriel came, explained

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00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,400
me the Gabriel hermeneutic, which is the right hermaudic, and

673
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,760
then I saw what was going on. I saw the

674
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,840
coming world empire, the same ones that Jeremiah predicted, the

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00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,920
same beasts. Do you understand that it's the same animals. Now,

676
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,039
how dumb is it, how dumb and undermining of our

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00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:17,840
whole thing to take the fourth Beast, rip it out

678
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,800
of the fulfillment of the Roman Empire and the birth

679
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,239
of the Messiah and apply this to some stupid EU stuff.

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00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:30,000
But the EU has a poster with the tar bubbon. Yeah,

681
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,519
I know that, But so what we don't do hermoneudicts

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00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,639
by posters and reading that back into the Bible. That's retarded,

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,480
totally stupid. You just destroyed the one of the strongest

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00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:45,000
proofs for the religion by doing that, you idiot. And

685
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:51,280
by the way, what was that just reading the catechetical

686
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,519
lectures of Seid people get there? You you so mean

687
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:56,599
to people? You could the catechetical lectures of Saint Cyril.

688
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,000
Have you read those? No, you haven't, But if you do,

689
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,079
look at the way he talks about people who are

690
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:07,719
here a lot like he's he's the most intense I've seen,

691
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,840
Like Saint Cyril. He just like he's like, you're demonic,

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00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:16,719
you're the mouths of heretics. You're there, the mouths of heretics,

693
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,199
of the gates of Hell. He says, they're fools, they're idiots.

694
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:23,079
They're every name in the book. He has no problem

695
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,360
in his catechises. Did you hear that he's teaching catechumens.

696
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,880
He calls the heretics a bunch of idiots, fools, demons.

697
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,440
Me calling them retarto is being nice compared to the

698
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:42,920
way Saint Cyril speaks of them in the category of elections.

699
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:48,239
So anyway, so this I think is the solution to

700
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:54,159
this Maccabee's uh, and there is, it's in it's right

701
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:58,239
away right first mccabee's first few chapters is the abomination there,

702
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:08,760
this is what sparks the Maccabees to revolt. And then yeah,

703
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,039
so the abomination of desolation. Now this is after Daniel.

704
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,559
You see. So I'm going to prove this if we

705
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,599
open up second Let's mentioned in Second Macabees two, but

706
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:32,800
let's go to first Macabees and we'll see that this

707
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Antichrist move is an attempt to stamp out the missile.

708
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,039
Why are they doing this? Why do these pagan emperors

709
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,320
even care? Well, we know that it's actually inspired by Satan,

710
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,360
who back in Genesis three was told that the seed

711
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,199
of the woman is going to crush the head of

712
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,360
the serpent. So he knows that from this lineage, somebody's

713
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,480
coming that's going to be a problem for him. Now,

714
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,559
he doesn't know everything, he's not omniscient, so he doesn't

715
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,440
have the full picture, but he knows that he needs

716
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:03,719
to get rid of this group, this people group. This

717
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,199
is why the Jews are constantly persecuted in the Old Testament.

718
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,440
And so in a first Maccabe's Chapter one, we have

719
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,920
the Abomination of Desolation, verse fifty four. They set up

720
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,960
the abomination of desolation and the altar of the whole

721
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,400
burnt offering and brought the altars in the surrounding cities

722
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,800
of Jerusalem, of Judah. They burned incense at the door,

723
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,920
found the Book of the Law, burn them. They burned

724
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,320
up the book. They found the Book of the Covenant,

725
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,039
blah blah blah, and it says they wanted to kill

726
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:46,639
everybody they acted against Israel. Okay, so why they want

727
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:48,239
to kill everybody because the Messiah is going to be

728
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,119
born of this people. Right now, Antiochus Epiphanes is not

729
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,119
that intelligence. He doesn't know what's going on. Right Antiochis

730
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:01,119
pillages the temple. He's just a possessed idiot, right, But

731
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,119
behind him is that Satanic spirit, same spirit behind the

732
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:13,920
babyloon in captivity. So then we have the story of

733
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,199
the Maccabees, right, and then the abomination comes up again

734
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,920
in six where they Antiochus the fourth is about to die.

735
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,480
The abomination is still there, the idol on top of

736
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,960
the temple or the alter excuse me, and so Judas

737
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,639
Macabeas turns it tears it down. Is the Judas somebody

738
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:46,559
tears it down. They pulled down the abomination. They do

739
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:50,280
in pracatory prayers. By the way, we have the mention

740
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,079
of Rome beginning to rise, and this fulfills Daniels in

741
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,480
chapter eight. This fulfills Daniel's prediction of the Fourth beasts

742
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:04,360
the bottom of the of nevcan eesers image right the

743
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:12,239
feet of the image in chapter nine of First Maccabees.

744
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,280
That right. They keep trying to destroy the temple. They

745
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:24,199
keep trying to destroy it. The bomination is okay. So

746
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,599
in chapter twelve of Maccabees.

747
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: We have.

748
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: I have a note here on our semi note. I

749
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,320
don't know you can read chapter twelve, but once again

750
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,880
you'll see that this is a mirroring. The abomination is mirrored.

751
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:52,440
In seventy eighty Accorney Luke twenty one. But that's not all. Now,

752
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,360
keep in mind, if you're evangelical, you don't have maccabees,

753
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,920
you don't have this key insight of seeing that Daniel

754
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,480
nine is mirrored. Now, maybe you could derive it just

755
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:15,000
from reading Jeremiah and Daniel. That's plausible. But I think

756
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:20,159
this is a key insight because let's see if we

757
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,400
move to second mccabee's I think I think it comes

758
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:40,840
up again. Abomination comes up again in second mccabee's five. Yes,

759
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:49,440
once again. The attempt is to stamp out this race

760
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:53,599
of people, and to do so they want to destroy

761
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,239
the worship of this race of people. You see, That's

762
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,320
why this is so key. Yes, And then in chapter six,

763
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,880
second mac Be six, you have the persecution Athens versus

764
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:10,920
Jerusalem here and they try to destroy the temple polluted again.

765
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,119
They put up an image of Zeus, Zeus the Hospitable,

766
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,800
and they want the Jews to stop following the law

767
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,280
of God. Now again, why do they want to destroy

768
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,039
this race of people? Now, all the pagan LARPers, the

769
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,280
Jews or bud No, it's because they're bringing the Messiah,

770
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,000
that's who. And Satan doesn't know. He might have known

771
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:42,480
the Davidic prophecies, but he doesn't know how this is

772
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,800
going to all go down, right, He just knows if

773
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,599
he can stamp out this race, this people, which is

774
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:52,440
what Pharoh tried to do and who else all these

775
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:58,079
rulers try to do in Maccabees and what Herod tries

776
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:00,760
to do. Right, Remember when Herod does Herod does the

777
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:09,239
exact same thing that's favor now again to prove the

778
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:19,039
repeating pattern view, there's a yet another character in Third Maccabees,

779
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:23,840
another abomination of desolation. In Third Maccabees, the character of

780
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:31,000
Ptolemy told me yet another type of Antichrist. Uh third

781
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:40,079
Maccabee's chapter two here this is this one's fascinating because

782
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:45,119
Ptolemy seems to be an even clearer type of Antichrist

783
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:52,559
than Antiochus was, because what does it say in the

784
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:56,800
note here at the end of two he tries to

785
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:02,639
mark everybody with his dionys In Pagan Mystery religion mark right,

786
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:07,159
look at two twenty eight and twenty nine. And the

787
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,079
notes in the Orthodox study Bell were really good because

788
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:18,480
they point out Ptolemy registered to those those registered are

789
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,440
those who willingly comply. They are branded with the mark

790
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,360
of allegiance that will be permanent. Some people in ancient

791
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,280
times would brand themselves as a symbol of their god.

792
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,440
Here it is the ivy leaf. Saint John predicts a

793
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:35,360
similar mark when Antichrist comes Revelation thirteen, sixteen seventeen and

794
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:38,519
the note on twenty eight said battle lines are drawn

795
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:41,880
here for an unseen spiritual warfare. The Jews must worship,

796
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,960
must not worship their god by the dictator of Ptolemy,

797
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:50,800
and everyone in Alexandria must sacrifice to the god Dionysius.

798
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:58,159
The census is of the slaves and the servant classes,

799
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,679
seemingly unique to Alexander, the juer effectively becoming the property

800
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:03,840
of the states. So we have like a statism. This

801
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,760
is the beast, right that the beast is the state

802
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:11,400
proclaiming itself God. And in the apocalypse, of course it

803
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:14,480
has a religion that goes along with it, the false prophet.

804
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,920
But the beast is the state. It's a state power

805
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,320
who has along with it a false prophet, the whore,

806
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:27,000
the hoe, which is the false religion. But I just

807
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:30,719
want to point out that third Maccabees and told of

808
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,199
me with his mark. Imagine that and a whole other

809
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,079
type and pattern, recurring pattern of an antichrist figure who

810
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:43,599
tries to mark everybody so that they can have commerce

811
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:47,079
and all that and live in the world. Right, and

812
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:50,800
if you don't have maccabees, and by the way, Orthodox

813
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,599
have third Maccabees. You see, so yet another proof that

814
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:58,639
we have another testament to our view that the other

815
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:02,320
people don't have. All right, let me pour a little

816
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,480
more coffee, because it's late and we're having a late

817
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,000
night theology stream with whow four hundred and fifty people.

818
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:12,400
I didn't know this many people would be interested in first, second,

819
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,079
third Macabees in old Testament predictions. Now, if you would

820
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,840
smash like, give me that like, and I much appreciate that,

821
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,719
and let me pour a little coffee. Listen to a

822
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,599
little bit of sweet amid the ruins dire wave. Give

823
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:27,920
me about thirty seconds. Don't run off, don't run off,

824
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:33,599
be're right back, all right, welcome, thank you, glad to

825
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:37,199
see you all here. We got a room of almost

826
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:40,039
two hundred nerds. I'm sure the nerds will pile in

827
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,440
then we can get up to about three hundred to night.

828
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:51,599
Speaker 6: We'll see it's your boy Jay in the house. You

829
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,199
boy can't see me.

830
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: All right, I got some more firewater. By that, I

831
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:56,920
mean coffee, I don't mean spirits. I don't drink. It's

832
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,559
weird how I've never have a desire to drink at all. Ever.

833
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:05,800
I used to love alcohol my twenties. I drink all

834
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,800
the time, and thankfully. I mean yeah, I mean I

835
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,599
wasn't like a super drunk, but I did drink too

836
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:16,559
much and then just went away. It's crazy, no desire ones,

837
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:17,480
I don't ever.

838
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:18,039
Speaker 1: I just.

839
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know. It's a weird thing. Wish

840
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,000
I could be I'd be delivered by from my other

841
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,960
vices so easily, like get rid of the other The

842
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,800
other ones are a little harder, right, It's like the

843
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:39,559
other ones are quitting, quitting alcohol, quitting smoking cigarettes. Those

844
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:42,000
are easy compared to the other vices, you know what

845
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:44,159
I mean, Like pride and that kind of stuff.

846
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 7: All right, let's see what was I going to do next?

847
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:54,639
We talked about the beasts third Macabees. Okay, so let's

848
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,280
look at uh some of the texts.

849
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: Now. I believe that the apocalypse follows the structure roughly

850
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,199
of the all of that discourse. So I do think

851
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:14,280
they're talking about the same event. The best case, in

852
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,480
my view, you have another video. I'm not going to

853
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:19,239
go onto the Antichrist character itself, but if you want

854
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:24,239
to watch my video on Antichrist, just try Jade Antichrist

855
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,440
into YouTube and you'll get mine. It's not about ten

856
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,519
thousand music. I spent about forty minutes kind of outlining

857
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:33,719
my view of Antichrist. Nero is the immediate context. Now,

858
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,559
I don't believe that it's only Nero right. Everything's not

859
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:41,920
fulfilled in the first century. That's crazy. That's a heresy.

860
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,800
There are people who are full predists. I do believe

861
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,880
that is a heresy that's completely out of a chord

862
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,599
with the entire history of Orthodox Christianity, the bodily Resurrection,

863
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,719
all of that. So no, we don't believe full preterism.

864
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,519
So what's the solution. Well, let's start with the monastic text.

865
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,760
That is a good one to read. Now, unfortunately this

866
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,079
is out of print. I've mentioned it many times at

867
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:11,760
Ortho Christian There is a summary article. There's an article

868
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,360
that's he printed out. It's about ten pages and it's

869
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,760
a summary of this booklet which is like fifty pages roughly,

870
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:27,559
but there's a great text in here that kind of

871
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:29,880
lays out my view. So I was actually surprised when

872
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,400
I read because I thought, oh, they're not going to

873
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,639
mention preterism. It's going to be it's going to be

874
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:36,719
all these speculations. And it's not. It's that this is

875
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,480
not bad. It's actually mainly just what the Church fathers say,

876
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:47,239
so it's not too much speculation. Pretty good overall. I

877
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:50,000
would say that this this book is pretty accurate probably

878
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,559
how things are going to go down. I'm not saying

879
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,760
we're in in times, so we're not going there. I'm

880
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,840
just trying to give you guys caution here. This is

881
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,920
what we're trying to do. We want accurate view, we

882
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,239
don't want to go into sensationalism and speculations. So the

883
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,199
Holy Fathers of the Church explain how all these words

884
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:13,440
about Matthew twenty four Luke twenty one are a prototype.

885
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:17,880
Excuse me, let me go back. The Holy Fathers of

886
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,440
the Church explain that these words the glad tidings of

887
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,679
the Kingdom, will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as

888
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:25,440
a witness to all the nations, and then the incomes

889
01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:31,199
This points to the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy eighty

890
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,119
as a prototype of the future. Greater tribulations will come

891
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:37,239
when the fury of this prophecy is fulfilled at the

892
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,000
end of time. The fall of Jerusalem is symbolic of

893
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:44,800
the end of the world. Terrible though it was, it

894
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,920
was only a shadow of what is to come upon

895
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,239
mankind at the end. Yes, so we want to notice

896
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,719
that that is our pattern of hermeneutics. Here they go

897
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,840
on to note, in addition, many believers begin will follow

898
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,639
after many four run to Antichrist. Okay, so they will

899
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:07,320
mention it mentions that there are many Antichrists. And so

900
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,199
then it goes into many of the church fathers right

901
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:15,679
talking about what to expect one world religion type thing,

902
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,680
eventually mass apostasy in the church, as Paul predicts a

903
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,520
one at some point, not saying that right now this

904
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,880
is the mass aposta. It could be we may we

905
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,560
may be getting there. But here's the key thing. The

906
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,039
other thing I wanted to mention from this text, which

907
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:34,680
is that, uh, one of the elders, I think I've

908
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,039
marked it on one of the saints. I thinks. Anyway,

909
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,119
they make the point that we don't have to worry

910
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,560
about that. Okay, we're not goofy evangelicals who sit around

911
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,760
trying to make big prophecy charts all day to figure

912
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,720
out when the end of the world, the rapture is

913
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,439
all that nonsense. The closer that we get to the end,

914
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,239
the Saints say, the clearer it will be, so we

915
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,640
don't have to worry about that. We don't have to

916
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:06,800
worry about news headlines and trying to is John when

917
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,199
he talks about the scorpions, is that a helicopter with

918
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:13,439
a nuke attached to it? Just now, we don't have

919
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,399
to worry about that, And I don't think John's talking

920
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:22,840
about helicopters with nukes. By the way, the Saints are

921
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,199
clear that as the time gets closer that we will

922
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:31,479
know it's it's gonna be obvious. Okay, it's not gonna

923
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,720
be like nobody's gonna know except five people in a

924
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,800
monastery somewhere. I mean it will be obvious when we

925
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,680
see these things coming to pass, right, so that we

926
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,039
can be I mean it'll be obvious to us in

927
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:46,399
the church. I'm saying it's not gonna be obvious to

928
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,039
everybody because a lot of people are gonna fall for

929
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all this deception and nonsense, right, But to those in

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01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:55,520
the church it will be obvious because they will know

931
01:09:56,199 --> 01:10:00,439
these pretty clear signs. And this this book goes into

932
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,600
mentioning you know all of what the church fathers speak

933
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:09,800
of as the key signs. You know, things like there

934
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,840
will be a one world religion that will be enforced.

935
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It will be the same as the ancient pagan mystery religions.

936
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There will be a world government, there will be an

937
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,800
Antichrist figure. There will be a false religion that is promoted,

938
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,399
and then the anti Christ casts that off and says,

939
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,079
you have to worship me now, hahaha, tricked you that

940
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:32,359
false religion wasn't the real deal. It worshiped me, or

941
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:38,359
you know, you can't do anything a mass apostasy. The

942
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:44,279
Church in whole apostatizes. And as you've heard me say

943
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:48,319
many times, the church fathers teach us you don't like this,

944
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,199
It's not my fault. It's what the church teaches, it's

945
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:56,199
what Paul teaches. And it is true. This will occur

946
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:04,800
whether you believe it or not. And that means that

947
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:09,760
you can't say that there are no more Jews. That's dumb. Now,

948
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,359
I'm not saying that that means that evangelical stuff's right.

949
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:16,960
It's not. John Hagen's not right. But it's also not right.

950
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,199
What all these idiot LARPers and trads think that there

951
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,720
are no more Jews? That's dumb. That's not true. That's

952
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,640
not the patristic view. How can the church fathers say

953
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,680
that the Jews will be converted there's no more Jews, dune,

954
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:33,439
that's dumb. How can there be Jews being mentioned for

955
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,359
centuries in the church the Church's canons. If Jews don't

956
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:39,119
exist after the first that's ridiculous. What are you talking about?

957
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:44,600
Total ignorance of church history. I know what the Talmud says.

958
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,640
I know all that stuff, right, So don't bring me

959
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,479
that because it doesn't matter because the Church, the New

960
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,760
Testament teaches that eventually there will be a conversion. Now

961
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,720
I've changed my view on the Enoch and Elijah thing.

962
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,159
I used to think the Enoch and Elijah thing was

963
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:02,159
purely in the first century, and it was I don't know,

964
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:07,000
some prophesying between thirty to seventy eighty and Israel, you

965
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:10,720
know who knows in the spirit of Enoch and Elijah

966
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,760
but I actually think that probably Enoch and Elijah will

967
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,560
have to return. I mean, that's the only way that

968
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,720
people would actually believe, right, I mean, it would take

969
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:24,239
something that wild for you know, people in Israel to convert.

970
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,720
That's my suspicion. But there's a whole chapter on Enoch

971
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,640
and Elijah here. Most of our saints think that that

972
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:40,760
would probably occur. Now, it does mention the attempt to

973
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:46,199
cease the liturgy. I would not jump on. I mean,

974
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,640
because all the world's liturgies haven't ceased, because I wouldn't

975
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,800
jump on Kurunka on all this stuff. Oh, it's the

976
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,159
end of the world because of Karunka. Not yet. I mean,

977
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:56,560
there's a lot of other things that we haven't seen

978
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,079
yet that are going to be clear as the end

979
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:03,960
of the world. Okay, so let's we're not jumping to

980
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:07,840
end of the world yet. I mean, Karunka is fake

981
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,359
and hey, uh so, I mean is that really like

982
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:16,800
an End Times plague? Come on, no, it's not. That's crazy. Look,

983
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,920
the End Times plagues don't sound fake and gay, they

984
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:25,680
sound real. Right, So anyway, we're not going to do

985
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,680
a whole lecture on apostas. But I do recommend this treatise.

986
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,760
I think it's really good from Holy Transfiguration Monastery because

987
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,279
it's just it's just a collection of whether Church Father said.

988
01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:39,680
That's all it is. It's not even it's not really

989
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,279
any speculations.

990
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:41,279
Speaker 1: Going on in there.

991
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: But it's good because it mentions the importance of preterism. Okay,

992
01:13:49,880 --> 01:14:02,520
so first let's look at Basil. Okay, So Athenacious Athanatius

993
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,039
has multiple texts where he speaks of the partial predist view.

994
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,279
And because I have read significant almost all of this volume,

995
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,159
or a large portion of this voey, I can tell you. Okay,

996
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:22,920
So on the Incarnation one twelve is applied to Christ

997
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:28,319
in the First Advent Daniel nine, as you've heard me explicating,

998
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:31,479
it is read of the First Advent, and on the

999
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,479
Incarnation thirty nine and forty. There is still a second

1000
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,760
Advent to come, however, so he's not a full predteris.

1001
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:44,000
On the Incarnation one fifty six, Letter sixty, section seven

1002
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:51,880
speaks of preterism in seventy eighty. I can't even read

1003
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:57,840
my notes. Something old testament fulfilled festal Letter four four

1004
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:03,279
and five, Letter one seven and eight speaks of seventy eighty.

1005
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,800
Now those are just the ones I've noticed. There's more.

1006
01:15:07,279 --> 01:15:14,000
There's more. So there are some prederist texts and Athanasius

1007
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:19,720
if you want to write those downs Catechetical Lectures of

1008
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,239
Saint Cyril of Jerusalem that I mentioned, which I read

1009
01:15:22,279 --> 01:15:26,960
all these ten years ago. I took copious notes on

1010
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:38,039
the catechetical lectures. Where's the where's the prederist tips? I've

1011
01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:41,800
got a a note for thee here it is. He

1012
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:48,399
interestingly does what I do with Isaiah. So if you

1013
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:55,600
read Catechetical Lectures sixteen, eighteen, and nineteen, that is applied

1014
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:06,880
to the First Advent seventy eight Isaiah one eight. By

1015
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,479
the way, you can just look these up really quickly.

1016
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,039
They're all online New Advent. You can look up the

1017
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:20,960
catechetical lectures.

1018
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

1019
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:29,199
Speaker 3: So that's at least one from Saint Cyril. Okay, so

1020
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:34,439
one of the best, of course, chrystalstom on Matthew Matthew

1021
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:41,319
twenty four Homily fifty seventy five on Matthew twenty four

1022
01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:46,640
seventy a d. He says, is the immediate context the

1023
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,279
Wars of Jerusalem. And he says, but that is a

1024
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,600
type of the end of the world again. Saint John

1025
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:58,920
Chrystals homily is seventy five on Matthew twenty four. The

1026
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:07,439
whole homily is all about preterism. Do you know how

1027
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:17,279
many people I've had telling me, George, uh epistol? Is

1028
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:19,840
it that I already mentioned the pistol? Yeah? I mentioned

1029
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,039
the pistol of Barnabas, didn't.

1030
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1031
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:32,079
Speaker 3: Eusebius the famous Church history Eusebius Chapter seven, Book three,

1032
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:38,279
Chapter seven, the Predictions of Christ. Well, guess what abomination

1033
01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:49,399
of desolation? Joe Cephas chapter eight signs seventy eighty destruction

1034
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:56,560
of the temple. Now there is one that I remember something.

1035
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:02,680
John Damascus mentions it somewhere anyway, But if you go

1036
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,439
back and listen to my lectures in Johnamascus on the

1037
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,319
exposition orthdox Faith, I mentioned it in those lectures. Now

1038
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,520
that's just ones that I've noticed. There's more, But man,

1039
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,439
the Eastern fathers aren't a lot more. Now, Hippolytiss is

1040
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,560
a Latin father right now, but typically the Eastern Fathers

1041
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,079
are clearer on this. Now, just as an interesting side note,

1042
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,680
because the Trads are almost never prediced. I don't know why,

1043
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:42,800
but the Trads are like they don't get this. But

1044
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:48,680
in the old Saint Andrew missile from my trid days. Yeah,

1045
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,079
see see here's proof trad See how warned this is.

1046
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:54,359
It's actually worn out. The gold leaf leafing is all

1047
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,640
worn out because I actually did take my tradism seriously

1048
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,840
and I actually did go to the Latin mass for

1049
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:03,000
me many years. It's not fake, it's all it's all true.

1050
01:19:03,159 --> 01:19:11,720
I made up. There is a lengthy note on criticism.

1051
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,880
Where is it? I remember it from my trid base.

1052
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,880
Got it marked somewhere. I think it's one of the

1053
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,399
readings for like Easter or something. Here it is, I

1054
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,920
found it. So in the traditional Latin missile the twenty

1055
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:38,319
fourth and last Sunday after Pentecost. Your missile notes.

1056
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: This.

1057
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 3: Dude, this text is so small. I can't even read it.

1058
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:44,359
Look at this text.

1059
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:49,159
Speaker 5: It's when do you read that? Look at that anyway?

1060
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:53,319
Here you can see I'm not making it up. If

1061
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:56,399
you want to screenshot that and read it later.

1062
01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 3: Getting in that HD ten eighty p. Says the Assyrians

1063
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,399
have destroyed Samaria and the Chaldeans have laid waste to Jerusalem,

1064
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,000
but all this desolation will be repaired by the Messiah.

1065
01:20:13,039 --> 01:20:16,880
When he comes. Micah goes on to foretell that Christ

1066
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,520
will be born in Bethlehem and his kingdom, that of

1067
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,159
the heavenly Jerusalem, will have no end. The prophets naem

1068
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:29,960
habakk zephy Andiah, at Hagai, Zachariah, and Malachi, whose books

1069
01:20:30,039 --> 01:20:33,119
are read in the Divine Office the same week, their

1070
01:20:33,159 --> 01:20:39,239
testimony to that of Micah. In Our Lord's first words

1071
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:43,039
in Today's Gospel, he quotes Daniel's prophecy of the total

1072
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:47,359
and final ruin of the Temple at Jerusalem and of

1073
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,000
the Jewish nation at the hands of the Roman army,

1074
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:54,920
this abomination of desolation being incurred by the people of

1075
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,199
Israel for rejecting Christ. As a matter of fact, this

1076
01:20:59,239 --> 01:21:02,600
prediction was fulfill some years after the Lord's death, exactly

1077
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,159
in seventy eighty. This destruction of the temple is a

1078
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:10,399
type of the end of the world, and then it

1079
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,960
goes on to it. Basically, to repeat this, I had

1080
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,800
to stand up because I can barely read this tiny,

1081
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,319
tiny print. So there you go. Even the Latin missile

1082
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:28,520
teaches preterism. Go che on that tread. All right. So

1083
01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:33,920
now we brought this up many times, but I always

1084
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,800
have to bring it up. People say, ooh a little.

1085
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,760
Most likes to read on this. So if you want

1086
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:43,199
an introduction book to this topic, I would say this

1087
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:47,039
is a good one. Great tribulation by David Chiltern. Children

1088
01:21:47,079 --> 01:21:49,800
came close to Orthodoxy in his latter days. I don't

1089
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,880
think he ever officially converted. And there is a new

1090
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,439
one out I haven't read. I think Lightheart has a

1091
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,039
commentary on the Apocalypse that's good. I haven't read it,

1092
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:00,560
so I'm not going to recommend it. But this is

1093
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,399
a classic. So if you can get your hands on

1094
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,840
David Chilton's Day's a Vengeance, they're both good. And also

1095
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:10,239
the Hermaeutic at work here that is based on the

1096
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:17,960
Church Fathers. If there was one good book on hermautics,

1097
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,119
I would recommend it from an Orthodox perspective. But I

1098
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:23,359
mean you could read Maximus or something like that, because

1099
01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:25,239
he'll tell you the you know, the four layers of

1100
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:27,600
the scripture. That's pretty common by the late Middle Ages.

1101
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,600
All the East and West have the four senses of scripture.

1102
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:33,560
But if you are coming from a Protestant mindset, maybe

1103
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,560
you want a more biblical introduction to the topic of hermaeutics.

1104
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:43,039
James Jordan basically borrowed the Church Father's hermanudic and put

1105
01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:47,159
it into a book. Of course, you can skip his

1106
01:22:47,399 --> 01:22:52,119
Protestant stuff and just go right into Orthodoxy. But Through

1107
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:53,960
New Eyes is a good book. It is a good

1108
01:22:55,439 --> 01:23:02,439
spirit of the Patristic hermeneutic. He's kind of a quasi Anglican,

1109
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:07,560
I guess now nowadays anyway, So those are good intro

1110
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,680
level stuff. There's there's more, obviously could be said, but

1111
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,439
and there's many more Church Father's texts on preterism too.

1112
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,760
I'm just giving you a sample. How long have we gone,

1113
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:23,359
hour and a half. It's pretty good. So a few

1114
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,920
last points on Antichrist. I mean, so my view, yes,

1115
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,680
I think that what we saw occur in these patterns

1116
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:37,960
of people. Okay, Pharaoh type of Antichrist, Judas type of Antichrist,

1117
01:23:41,319 --> 01:23:44,840
Pole of me third Maccabees type of Antichrist. Antiochus, Epiphanies

1118
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,279
type of Antichrist. Nebuchinese are type of Antichrist, because Neger

1119
01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:50,960
sets with this giant idol and says you have to

1120
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:57,119
worship it or you die. Nero. If you read Gentry's

1121
01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:01,319
book before Jerusalem fell, his THHD thesis. Think proves Nero

1122
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:07,119
is the Antichrist of the first century. That's what the

1123
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:10,560
Book of the Apocalypse is immediate context is. That's why

1124
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,399
John says at the beginning of the Apocalypse that what

1125
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,600
I'm writing to the seven churches of Asian mine are

1126
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,479
they are going to experience quickly. So, yeah, there's a

1127
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:36,600
full there's a final fulfillment. Apocalypse nineteen all right, the

1128
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:44,439
Great White Throne, Judgment, the return of Christ, the millennial Rain,

1129
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,119
the millennial reign is something that began first Advent. It's

1130
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:53,920
not a thousand years of eating giant grapes and moving palsign.

1131
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:56,760
It's a spiritual kingdom that was established. That is the Church.

1132
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,000
The Church is a millennial rain. Those who are baptized

1133
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:05,359
participate in the first Resurrection, and then the new heavens

1134
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:08,000
and the New Earth. In the Orthodox view, is the

1135
01:25:08,119 --> 01:25:13,239
renovation of this world. This universe, right, this universe is renovated,

1136
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:16,600
it's transfigured. When Christ became incarnate. The purpose of that

1137
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,640
was to restore what Adam had lost. This in the

1138
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,720
Patristic teaching is what's called the recapitulation. Now this unfortunately,

1139
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,199
this doctrine is lost in the West after the time

1140
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:30,640
of Augustine. Nobody knows has any idea what recapitulation is.

1141
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,960
It is fundamental, however, to Orthodox theology from here Anas

1142
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,760
all the way up through to John Damascus, there is

1143
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,119
a recapitulation where Christ restores what Adam lost, and that

1144
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,199
being the nature. Nature is restored. It doesn't mean everybody saved, though,

1145
01:25:47,279 --> 01:25:51,640
because the way that you in hypostatize nature and utilize

1146
01:25:52,039 --> 01:25:54,640
your will is going to determine whether it's ever ill

1147
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,920
being or ever well being in the escaton. That's basic

1148
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,119
Saint Maximums teaching right there. But the nature itself is

1149
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:04,720
going to be restored, and that's why all men are resurrected.

1150
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,319
That's why even the wicked are resurrected because of Christ

1151
01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:12,560
restoring their nature. But having your nature restored does not

1152
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:17,359
mean that you get an automatically pleasurable experience of the escoton. Right,

1153
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:21,439
nature can be restored, but the experience of nature depends

1154
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,960
on the tropos, the mode in which nature exists, which

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is in the mode of persons. So individual hypostaces will

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have a different experience depending upon how they utilize their

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natural will for virtue or for vice. According to Saint

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Maxims and by extension, according to Jonan Maskins, who follows

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01:26:42,119 --> 01:26:45,359
Saint Maximus to the tea, now will there be a

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great tribulation and all that? Yeah, I think so. I think.

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I think a lot of these things. And now to

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what degree every element of the Apocalypse is mirrored at

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the end of time. I don't know. Anybody who tells

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you they know everything about that is lying to you,

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and it's I'm kind of John Hage Konyent. I don't know.

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Maybe if God grants me the grace in thirty years,

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if I'm still alive, maybe then I'll know more about that.

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But I don't pretend to know. And anybody who claims

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to know all the mysteries of scripture, especially in regard

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to the Apocalypse, which is, you know, one of the

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most difficult books, along with the other apocalypsees Zachariah Ezekiel.

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They're very difficult books. So we have to tread lightly

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and we have to understand that from the Orthodox perspective,

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there's a lot of factors that will go into how

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we interpret and understand these texts, which first of all,

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can't be done purely by studying and reading books. So

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the news has to be cleansed through repentance, through good works,

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aesthetic practice, prayer, liturgy. Then we grow in our understanding

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of these things by God's grace and so and then

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it's not just us reading right, it's our experience. It's

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in the liturgy where God teaches us. In the liturgy,

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we read the lives of the saints, we get taught there.

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We look at the icons, we read the icons and

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they teach us as well. We read the Bible, it

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teaches us. So there's this symbiotic relationship between all of

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these things. We read, the church fathers, they teach us.

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All of these things go into right. So then every

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time we come back to read the Bible, we have

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an even greater, even broader, better perspective by being immersed

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in the totality of this experience of the church's life.

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So all those things go into it. Right. You can't

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01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:40,720
like separate, Well, I just want my Bible. I'm just

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Google read my Bible in the corner and I'm gonna

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figure all this stuff out. No, that's idiotic. It's not that.

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It's not a book that's meant for you to go

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sit in the corner and figure it all out. By yourself.

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It's not an algorithm that you decode. It has to

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be a lived thing, right, And I don't care who

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you are or how much you've read, Like The Apocalypse

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is a difficult book. And I don't even think that

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anybody's gonna understand all these mysteries until well, ultimately, not

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until the Escuton obviously, but as we get closer to

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the time of these final final things, then yeah, God

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01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,000
will grant more understanding to you know, the saints, to

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01:29:23,039 --> 01:29:26,119
the Alders, these kinds of people in the church, you know,

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people who are following him. He will grant the understanding

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:35,840
of those things. But as Paul says, let us strive

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to eat meat and not to only feed on milk. Right,

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what does Hebrews say? You should be taking strong doctrine

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and meat, not just staying fixated on the milk the

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baby stuff. So we are supposed to get into I mean,

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they're here for a reason, all right, and get sick

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of the people who are luck well, we won't read

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01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,399
that stuff in our church. Well, that's because you're idiot,

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the Bible says. Scripture says, blessed are those who read

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the Apocalypse. Why would you not want a blessing. I mean,

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01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:11,279
that's that's idiotic, stupid anyway. So that's a good introduction

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to what we want to caution against and the direction

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that we want to go to understand these very difficult things.

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And hopefully this can be a good introduction for the

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future questions of eschatology, Bible, prophecy, this kind of stuff

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01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,520
that there's so much sensationalism, so much idiocy, so many

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01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:34,239
con men, so much stupid crap. And look, I was

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01:30:34,359 --> 01:30:38,159
raised in the evangelical gift you stuff, so I'm trying

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to save you from having to go through a bunch

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of nonsense. Okay, I was a dispensationalist. I thought when

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01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,600
I was nineteen, I'm on a prophecy study Bible. I

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01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,000
thought John Hagey was right. So I had to go

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01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:51,640
through all this stupid stuff. And I'm just trying to

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01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,359
tell you that you don't have to. Okay, I went

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01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:57,239
through all this crap for you. Man, If you want

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01:30:57,279 --> 01:30:59,199
to be hard headed and go through all that stupid stuff,

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01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,079
well good luck with have fun, because it's going to

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01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:05,479
be a nightmare. But this is much better. This is

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the mature, traditional historic approach anyway. So hopefully this has

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01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:20,720
this is we want a sober approach that what I'm

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01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,680
trying to do, right, We want to be sober on

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01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,920
the one hand, but not fall into the liberal nonsense

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01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,920
on the other hand, of like denying the inspiration and

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all this kind of stuff. Right, just think about Jesus's day.

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Who are the two dialectical opposite goophises that Jesus is

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always having to interact with the scribes and the Pharisees.

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And who are the scribes, the Sadducees the liberals? Remember

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01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,880
how it says that that the Sadducees deny resurrection, that

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01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:57,800
deny miracles and the existence of angels. And Jesus says

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01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,359
that they're idiots and they are hard hearted and they

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have no faith, that they don't believe the scriptures. Me

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,840
constantly says that to them, they're the liberals. And who

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01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,000
are the Pharisees, the rigorous super super I'm holier than

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01:32:10,079 --> 01:32:13,479
now and making up all these laws that aren't even

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01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,399
in the actual revelation. Right, And guess what, we still

1252
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,720
have these same two extremes in our day. We have

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01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,399
the liberals. Do whatever you want. There's no miracles religion

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01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:28,800
as a symbol. It's just moral tales or whatever, and

1255
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,119
blah blah blah, and then you've got rigorous on the

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01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:35,760
other the extremist Pharisees. And by the way, who got

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the worst condemnation, the rigorous. Now, I'm not telling you

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01:32:39,319 --> 01:32:41,319
to be a liberal. I'm just saying that how we

1259
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:45,840
strike that balance is very important because Jesus' harshest condemnations

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are for the Pharisees, even above the sagescees. So I'm

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not telling you to be a liberal at all. Right,

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I believe Jesus is very clear about the inspiration of

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the text, the inherancy of the text. Jesus has a

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strong view of in and inspiration, and he pronounces a

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01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:11,039
blessing for those who read the Old Testament. He says,

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you're like a treasure hunter who brings treasure out of

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01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:17,960
old into the New if you understand and study the

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,439
Old Testament. He says that not one jot or tittle

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01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,359
of the Old Testament is wrong or will fail. So

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we should get our doctrine of inspiration from Christ and

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from the Church fathers. And by the way, the Church

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01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:37,039
fathers teach inernancy. There might be debate between textual traditions

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01:33:37,079 --> 01:33:42,760
like origin and Jerome to Patristic era textual critics. They

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01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:46,800
might have disputed different copies, but Jerome has some of

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01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:51,520
the strongest statements on inerrancy. If you look at what

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01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,279
he says on the Psalms. Jerome goes so far as

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to say that even the introductions to the Psalms, even

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the sections of the songs have letters like Psalm one

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01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:06,720
Drum says, even those are inspired. He says, the Holy

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01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:10,199
Spirit put those there. So this idea that, oh, the

1281
01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:13,000
Church fathers they didn't teach you inerancy. I can be

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01:34:13,159 --> 01:34:15,520
liberal if I become worthoo it. No you can't, No,

1283
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,560
you can't. Total nonsense. I could give you fifty quotes

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01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,640
from the Church Fathers on the inerancy, inspiration, and authority

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01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:28,439
of Scripture. Total misunderstanding. And by the way, smart Protestants

1286
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:34,840
can run circles around Catholics and dumb Orthodox who think

1287
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,760
that the Church Fathers don't teach inspiration and inernancy. Anyway,

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01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:45,600
let's read some of the super chats, so I hope

1289
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,039
this is helpful, just to give a Patristic balanced traditional interpretation.

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01:34:51,279 --> 01:34:56,760
It is the time of the resurrection, I mean technically

1291
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,960
right now, it's like the next day, but today was

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01:35:00,119 --> 01:35:03,199
erection Sunday. I hope everybody had a good pasca, even

1293
01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:06,159
though it's a corunka pasca, which is all very bizarre.

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01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,640
But yeah, we want to understand that let the Bible

1295
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:19,520
inform our view of the world. Don't take headlines and

1296
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,159
read them into the Bible. That's what I'm trying to

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01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:31,680
caution against. You see, does that mean we can't look

1298
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:38,199
at the where is my note? I mean, if you

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think about some of the examples, the rise of occultism, okay,

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01:35:43,079 --> 01:35:51,399
brain links, abration, right, nano dots, r f I D, transhumanism, ecumenism,

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Internet of Things, five GA, a global economy, universal basic income,

1302
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end of the family. Are these signs of the time? Yes?

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01:36:06,119 --> 01:36:10,720
They are now. A lot of these evils in different

1304
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:15,680
forms have been around, so I wouldn't immediately say that, Well,

1305
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,720
we're definitely in the final, final end times. There's a

1306
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,720
lot of prophecies that still have to be fulfilled. So

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01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,279
we know the end of the world's not coming tomorrow,

1308
01:36:22,359 --> 01:36:26,359
but regardless, it could be could be the end of

1309
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:31,199
the world. I don't know. I don't claim to know anyway,

1310
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,279
So we had to be wise on how we approach

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01:36:36,359 --> 01:36:39,159
these things. I would say that if things keep getting

1312
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crazier and crazier, yeah, maybe it is. Maybe we are

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at the end of but we'll know we don't have

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to worry about that. So Jordan Graves five dollars. CHRISTI

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He says, are demons archetypes of chaos like reverse logi. No,

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because logi or uncreated energies that are the patterns and

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archetypes of all things that are created. So angels are

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like all creation. They possess a created nature. The logi

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are not identical to created natures or essences. The logie

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are uncreated, but creative beings have created natures and created essences.

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So angels are beings that are. They have a angelic nature,

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and they also have an individual hypostasis, each one of them.

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Basil's very clear about this in his thirty eighth letter,

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where he describes nature in person as distinct and the

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hyposthetic properties, and he also explains angels as having an

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angelic nature and each individual hypostasis so of their own angels.

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So demons are angels that are created beings that have fallen,

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and so they're not merely archetypes, but they're actually personal

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demonic beings. Their nature is still good, but they have

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confirmed themselves in evil. We don't explain exactly understand exactly

1352
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how it all works in the angelic realm, but that's

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what has been revealed to us about the good angels

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and the fallen angels. Mark David Chapman, Wow, thank you?

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Is that Jared Leto has Mark David Chapman or the

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actual Mark David Chapman who faked his death perhaps and

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is sending me a hundred bucks? Well, much appreciated, whoever

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it is. I'm joking it's not. I don't think this

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is Jared Leedo, but if it is, thank you, Jared.

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for that hundred bucks.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Fitzgibbon for four ninety nine, He says, here's my

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actually joking, but thank you guys for sending the trump Bucks.

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Much appreciate it. And Kevin has sent his and by

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are probably familiar with her. She's a pretty well known

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and she gave me a huge shout out and recommend

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that everybody follow on my Twitter today. I think she

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sent me almost a thousand followers on Twitter today, so

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I don't think I've ever gained a thousand Twitter followers

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in one day, so that was pretty awesome. So thank

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you to her. Everybody be sure and follow Tiffany fitz

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today as well, so be sure and follow her back

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and hopefully we can have some good chats in the

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future with her about esoteric Hollywood. She is also a

1383
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right exposer of Esselturk Hollywood topics as well Dusty Dustin

1384
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and Neely five Dollars. Christ has Risen, He has Risen. Indeed,

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Zachariah harp twenty five bucks. Thank you, he says, God

1386
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speed and many things. Awesome, dude, thank you much appreciate.

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Hopefully we have a balanced approach to eschatology and hermeneutics

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from an orthodox biblical perspective. I hope everybody enjoyed the stream. Again,

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thank you to Mark David Chapman, my assassination, bro there

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for such a fat super chat. That was really generous

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of you. Much appreciated. And I think that's everything. That's

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all I can think of, covered all the books I

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wanted to. Yeah, God bless everybody, have a good night.

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And by the way, the resurrection, right, I mean, that

1395
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was the whole point of this. Somebody was getting mad

1396
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at me the beginning of the stream. Why are you

1397
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talking about this? So you bitched about nothing?

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 3: It was a great string. We had a sober discussion

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of a topic that everybody's getting overly sensational about. Anyway,

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God bless her matter. Have a good night.