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Speaker 3: There all right, welcome. Well, we haven't talked theology in
a while, have we. We've talked a lot about goofy things.
I've been a lot of goofy videos, but we haven't
gotten into one of these kind of deeper theological streams
in a while. And these are not the easiest, they're
not the most popular. We know, the hardcore Jason Elsi's
fans enjoy them, and I want to thank you guys
for tagging along for being here. Actually, I wasn't really
planning on doing a theological stream, and then the more
I thought about it, the more I thought, no, let's
do that, because that's ultimately that's what matters. But so
I was listing different things that everybody's kind of talking about,
all the stuff that people are worried about. I'm goind
of surprised more evangelicals aren't freaking out thinking it's the
end of the world. But then again, I guess they
think that QAnon is gonna save everybody or whatever. So
I want to talk about prophecies anti christ. I want
to talk about that kind of stuff. What the Patristic
view is how there's actually solutions in the Orthodox canon
of scripture that you're missing in the other canon's descripture.
Now that's not to say that everybody in the other
traditions gets everything wrong. They don't. But I think that
you got two big things that you get in Orthodoxy
that are big aids to this that you don't find
in like Protestant groups, and that's the Church Fathers and
the liturgy. The Church Fathers and the liturgy become key
aids to help us interpret the because of the Bible
itself is part of a liturgical tradition. It's part of
a tradition of daily readings in the ancient Church, and
the fact that they were part of those daily readings
is partly how we know what the Canona Scripture is,
as we've shown in many of the lectures and talks.
So we have to be aware of this and understand
that the liturgy is a accumulation of centuries of wisdom
of the Church. Now, the reason we put such a
strong belief and emphasis in the visible Church is because
Christ promised to a historic visible group of people that
the Holy Spirit would be with that group to lead
it and guide it into truth and protect it from error.
It would not be overcome by error. Doesn't mean there
won't be squabbles, there won't be periods where there's a
lot of people who believe error. But in Toto, the
Church will never at any point be completely consumed by era.
There will always be solid orthodox or right believing bishops
in the world, and faithful by extension, even in periods
of mass apostasy. So we're gonna get into some of
these kind of tough issues tonight and some of the
tough doctrines that bug a lot of people, and hopefully
I can cover this in a profitable way. There's a
specific article I want to bring out that a lot
of people don't know about. Actually, actually there's two, so
maybe I should bring both of these up. We'll get
to that later. But so the first one that we
want to talk about is if you've listened to the
totality of the Genesis li which we completed all those
we got all through the entirety of Genesis, and then
you heard the important prophecy in Genesis forty nine, which
is the prediction of when the Messiah would come, and
when this prediction is given Jacob prophesies something very specific
that is a key indicator that would let the people
of Israel know that their Messiah had come. That key
indicator is Genesis forty nine ten or eleven. It says,
who will rouse him? The scepter will not depart from Judah,
nor a lawgiver from between his loins until Shiloh comes,
and unto him will be the expectation of the nations.
He will bind his cult to a vine, and his
donkey's cult to its branch. He will wash his garments
in wine his blood, and his clothes with the blood
of grapes. His eyes are gladden from the vine from
the wine, and his teeth are whiter than milk. This is,
of course, of course, one of the classic Messianic prophecies,
and so we know, I mean, even in the Jewish tradition,
this is a Messianic prophety. I mean, they don't believe
that it was Christ obviously, but it's pretty well known
as a Messianic prophecy. What's the first thing that we're
told is that the scepter, that is royal lineage, is
not going to depart from the house and tribe of Judah.
The law will be ex explicated and enforced by a
logover in some way until Shiloh, until Messiah comes, and
when he comes, he will be the expectation of the gentiles. Again,
one of the great key indicators that we've covered many,
many times all throughout the Old Testament is that when
the Messiah comes, the gentiles will repent and turn to
the God of Israel over and over and over in
the Psalms, and the major prophets and the minor prophets,
over and over and over and over, and even back
in Genesis. Early in Genesis the prediction not just here,
but realize that Jacob. All Jacob's doing is summarizing what
is in the Abrahamic Covenant, the promise that when the
Messiah comes, he would be the expectation. He would bless
all the tribes and families and nations of the earth.
And keep in mind in this time and this put
your mindset in their mindset. I mean, this just seems crazy, right,
It seems how in the world could God fulfill that?
How could see somebody who's the seat of Abraham bless
all the nations and turn these nations to the true God.
How that's crazy? That's never going to happen. These people
they worship, you know, demons and sticks and rocks and
but and even Israel falls into worshiping holes in numbers
bail Pure, the Lord of open holes. And that is
exactly what you think. That's exactly what it is. Yes,
the ancient Kroleian rites of but the butt liturgy. Now
a few verses later, this is as Joseph is prophesying
about each of the tribes of Israel what their future
will be. Now, these prophecies oftentimes have a double fulfillment,
so in one sense, the historical fulfillment is clearly about
the tribe of Judah. Here that Judah will have a lineage,
Judah will be the royal lineage. He's predicting the tribe
of Judah would be the tribe that would be the
royal lineage. That happened, Right, we know that in the
time of the kings, right, David descends from this lineage.
David is of the tribe of Judah. And we know
that in the time of the kings you have the
division of the kingdom. Right, Jereboma and Raybauam, the sons
of Solomon have a schism within Israel, and you have
the evil Northern kings who are all bad, and then
you have the Southern tribe, which is the legitimate place
of worship, the legitimate kings in the tribe of Judah,
where the tabernacle on the temple are lawfully placed. They
have a few, right, There's Josiah, there's David, but they
have a lot of bad ones too. But Israel is
really bad. I mean, Israel becomes the term for the
northern tribes and the southern tribe Judah. Right, So what's
amazing about this prophecy, first of all, is that there
will be a royal lineage all the way until Messiah comes,
implying that the will depart after that. So you will
know when the Messiah comes when there's no more dividic kings.
There are no more dividic kings. There haven't been divided
kings in two thousand years. Okay. We're not here to
talk about debate. We're not debating genetics in here. That's
not what this topic is about. We're here to talk
about old the biblical theology. Okay, So we're not going
to get into these debates about this stuff anyway. This
has nothing to do with Ashkenazi stuff. We're not debating that.
So there's an interesting prophecy though after this, which, by
the way, let me add that this shows you that
God is not inherently opposed to monarchy, because this is
a prediction of a monarchy. This is a prediction of
a royal scepter in the royal lineage through David. And
so this dumb argument that people have by the time
that we get to judges, who judges is the treatise
against the moner because they had they had judges. The
book says that because there's no king in Israel, everybody
did what was right in their own eyes. It's an
anti judges treatise. The whole Book of Judges is a
treatise for monarchy. So it's just really kind of idiotic
when people think that, oh, the bibbles against Mourner, No,
it's not. Jesus is the king of kings, so it's
not against monarchy. There are warnings, right, What does Samuel
warn everybody? He says, if you ask for the king,
he says, it's gonna be bad for you. Why is
it going to be bad. He's gonna take your daughters,
He's gonna take your h O. E s's make them
make them h O. Yes, why because of the institution itself? No,
because he says, you guys want a king after the nations.
What did the Pagans around Israel do? They worshiped their kings.
They viewed their kings, their warrior lord or lord kings.
They viewed them as semi divine or divine. All right.
The ancient inscriptions of the coins of Caesar they call
Caesar the son of God. The pagan kings always foisted
themselves upon their masses as divine or semi divine. Pharaoh
is the apex between heaven and Earth. That's why it's
a pyramid, right, So if you're if you're familiar with this,
this is pretty common. So in ancient Egyptian metaphysics, this
is the this world, this is the earth. It's a pyramid.
At the top here is Pharaoh, and he is the
meeting point, the bridge between heaven and Earth. And that's
why he's at the top of the pyramid, because he
is the tarnate. You can say raw. He's raw on
earth in human incarnation, not in a biblical sense. He's
not incarnate like the Son of God or something like
that in the Egyptian metaphysic, it's more like pantheism. Everything
is God, but not you. You're just like lower down
on that pyramid. Really, it's they that's good, not you. Right,
hold on, I'm gonna race this race board, all right.
So h and by the way, I've got you. In
my Ancient Metaphysics talks, we cover that all that Egyptian
metaphysics and whatnot. You can you'll find those old talks.
They're they're pretty old, they are time tested. You can
find those. So we have this prediction of when the
Messiah would be more and there will be signs that
a company it. The signs would be that there would
no longer be a royal house, a royal lineage. The
Gentiles will begin to convert and guess what this happened?
When did this happen? When did the scepter depart from Judah? Well,
in seventy a d. There was a very important event
that happened, and it was the destruction of the Temple
in Jerusalem. So now we want to look at one
of the key texts that shows us this, and we
want to stress this because this is very important for
vindicating the Bible when we have done theology. When we
are idiots and get this wrong, we undermine our own
view and our own coherency, our own worldview, our own
proof texts. And I'm going to show you that this
is the Patristic view. I mean, maybe a lot of
you don't know this, but this is a common mistake
people make. They're going to stick everything in the future,
and they're going to undermine and miss one of the
key proofs of our position. If you look at Luke
twenty one, Jesus says he looked up and saw the
rich putting their gifts into the treasury, and he saw
a certain poor widow putting in two mites. And he said, truly,
I said to you, this poor widow has put in
more than all for these, out of their abundance, have
put in offerings for God. But she, out of her poverty,
in all the livelihood that she had. Then some of
them spoke of the temple and how it was adorned
with beautiful stones and donations. And he said, the things
that you see this temple, the days will come in
which not one stone will be left upon another that
will not be torn down. And they asked the teacher
when will this be what will be the sign that
these things are about to take place? Take heed you
the people standing in front of him. This is a key.
This is a big mistake. Especially people who don't know
how to interpret texts, who not studied or taken any
courses on hermeneuticts. They'll say, oh, this is talking about
the end of the world. Now, it does have an
application to the end of time. It has an application
to all throughout time, right, But we don't divorce it
from the immediate historic context.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: This is called the grammatical historical, the literal level of interpretation.
So at this basic level, which is what's going to
build the rest of the Hermititic layers on, we understand
the immediate context and the immediate audience. Who is Jesus
talking to here? It's not directly talking to me, right,
I might have like evangelical superpower feeling.
Speaker 4: Say it's talking to me, dude, Jesus talking to me.
Speaker 3: That's prelest. Yes, he's talking to you in a general sense,
But the Bible isn't written to you. Okay, that's like
schizophrenia level stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of the people in the world
think that religious people are wackos. The book's not talking
to you, dude, not in that way. So how do
we understand how this applies to us? And again, I'm
gonna show you that everything I'm telling you is one
in line with the teaching of the Church fathers. This
is not I know this because I made all these
dumb mistakes. I'm not saying I'm schizophrenic, but I was
raised Evangelical. I was raised Protestant.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, justum in the world. Let me get my
prophecy charts out. I'm gonna chart out this out of
the end of the world, and we're gonna blow the
show far. The trumpet judgments are coming. John Hagen.
Speaker 3: Readmind new book. My name's John Hagee, and I have
eaten twenty four blood moons, twenty four blood move twenty
four moon by blood Moons ususual is not the most
raw I had to throw at John Hagen in there
for you guys. I'll know you guys. Everybody loves the
John Hagen. What does it say? It says take heed
that you being out in deceived. Many will come in
my name, they will say, I am he. The time
is not yet drawn near it. Do not go after them.
But when you hear of wars and commotions, don't be terrified,
for these things must come to pass first. The end
will not come immediately. The end of what in the world,
not in the immediate context. The end of the world
is not what Jesus talking about. Jesus is talking about
the temple. That's what they're talking about. You see this,
I'm gonna tell you. When this temple is about to
be ripped down. He says, nation will rise against nation,
kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes in many places, famines, pestilenceys,
fearful signs, and great signs from heaven. But before all
these things that will lay hands will persecute you, and
they will deliver you to synagogues. Are we all being
delivered up to synagogues for the people who think that
we're suddenly in times right now? No, but the disciples
were delivered up, weren't they In the Book of Acts exactly?
Guess what everything that Jesus listed, there's examples of that.
In Books of Acts. There's earthquakes, there are famines and
pestilences mentioned. Have you read Josephus. I have. Josephus was
an eyewitness to the destruction of temple of the temple,
and he mentions all these things. In fact, I wrote
a graduate paper, now, an undergraduate paper, and I'll put
it here. Here is one of my undergraduate papers on
this very topic. Go read that, where I cite extensively
from Josephus, the eyewitness to this stuff. Anyway, back to
the text, it says, they will deliver you up to
the synagogues and prisons, but you will be brought before
kings and rulers. For my namesake, there's not a whole
lot of kings in the world today. Are we all
going to be brought before the king of Monaco and
being persecuted? So how many kings are there? Really?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: But it will turn out to you for an occasion
for testimony. Well, guess what. That happens multiple times in
the Book of Acts, doesn't it. Paul before Felix, Paul
before Agrippa. Yeah. Therefore, do not set it in your
hearts to meditate beforehand what you will answer, for I
will give you a mouth and a wisdom that all
your adversaries will not be able to resist. Act seven,
when Saint Stephen Jesus speaks directly through prophesies through Saint Stephen.
I'm sorry, but John Hagy is not prophesying. Jesus is
not speaking through John Hagen. You will be betrayed by
your parents and brothers and relatives, and they will put
you to death, and you will be hated by all
for by namesake, but not a hair of your heads
will be lost by your patients, possess your souls. When
you immediate context, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
know that its destruction is near. How could it be
any more clear than this? This is talking about what
happened forty years later. Jerusalem was surrounded by armonies and
it was destroyed. Then, let you, in the immediate context here,
who are in Judea fleet to the mountains. Let those
who are in the midst of her depart, for those
who are in the country enter her. For these the
days of vengeance, in which all things written in the
prophets are to be fulfilled. For woe to those who
are pregnant and nursing in those days, for there will
be great distress in the land and wrouth upon this people.
This is not talking about a global catastrophe. It's talking
about the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy eighty. Now we
know that at this time, and many of these people
fled to Petra in places like this right to because
they were warned. Am I supposed to flee to Judea?
Am I supposed to leave Tennessee and flee to Judea?
Is this talking about all the Christians in the world,
but to flee to Judea. That's ridiculous. That's idiotic. Stop
being idiotic. What else does he say? You better hope
your journey is not on the Sabbath. We don't keep
the Sabbath in the way that it was kept at
this time. This is during the period when the Sabbath
is still being kept. In the Book of Acts, it's
the transition period. Seventy a d completes the transition period
from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. It's not
just Jesus' death, roren, resurrection and ascension the Book of Acts,
remember Pentecost. Isn't Pentecost part of the Escaton being brought
into reality? Of course, it is. Joel predicts in the
last days, the spirit will be poured out upon all
my people handmaids as well. What is that talking about.
Is that talking about the the blood Moons of Isruel?
It mentions the blood Moon, doesn't it? But how does
Acts interpret the Book of Joel? Does it say that
it's the end of the world and John Hagen's goofy church. No,
it says that at Pentecost. In Acts too, Joel is
being fulfilled. Do you see that what Joel is talking
about is the exact same thing Jesus is talking about. Now,
this is an interesting text here he says, these people,
somehow in this nation that had rejected him, they will
fall by the edge of the sword. They will be
led away captive into all the nations. That's not talking
about the end of the world. That happened forty years
later the diaspora. Don't you know basic history? No, Evangelic
don't know basic history. By the way, a lot of
Protestants and Orthodox get this wrong as well. And we're
going to see the Church fathers rebuking many protest Orthots
and Catholics on this topic. In fact, I'm gonna even
show you in Catholic teaching, Catholic liturgy talks about preterism.
But you didn't know that, did you? And I found
that in a trad work. I couldn't believe it an
old trad Missile actually mentions preterism. It's amazing anyway, rare fine,
rare gems. Nobody else has ever noticed this or talked
about this. Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until
the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Now, even the
evangelicals in their own wrong goofy interpretation of this can't
make sense of that text because they've put that at
the end of the world. So Jerusalem is going to
be trampled by gentiles.
Speaker 1: For what.
Speaker 3: Three and a half years? But he just said that
the Jews are gonna be led captive into all the
other nations. That's not talk about the end of the world.
That's what happened forty years later after he said this.
Now I'm gonna there's many many more texts we're gonna
look at. But you understand the import of this. If
you move all this to the future, all unfulfilled, the
force of all of this argumentation, the force of the
reality that was brought at the First Advent is gone.
The Church is no longer the actuality of Heaven on Earth.
It's some aschotological thing at the end of time. That's
not here. Now we're still waiting on all this stuff. Right. Oh,
it's a dispensation of a different Plan B. No, there's
no Plan B. Christ is the fulfillment of all the
covenants in him. Every promise of God is yeay. Paul says,
it's not some postpone thing. That's crazy talk. Nobody believed
that dumb heresy until one hundred years ago. Looking for
my other Bible, because I've got some interesting notes in there.
Now as we read on cosmic signs, Josephus describes all
these cosmic signs. What do you mean there were no
cosmic signs in the first century, mister evangelical, Yes there were.
Josephis describes them. He was an eyewitness. The powers of
heaven will be shaken. We lose the powers of heaven
shooking first suit you do you know what it means
when the prophets use the term the powers of heaven
will be shaken. In Isaiah Knight, I think it's nineteen
Off the top of my head, there's a text where
it says God will come into Egypt and destroy Egypt.
Isaiah's prophesies. God will return, He will come the powers
of heaven will be shaken. He said, it would be
like the luminaries will fall. That means the rulers. Luminaries
represent rulers, doesn't always mean literally the sun and the
moon fall down and everything's destroyed. Now, at the end
of the world, there will be a renovation of the
entire creation. Yes, but that's not what this is talking about.
Did God return in Isaiah nineteen to Egypt when he
uses the exact same phraseology and language of Luke twenty one? No,
of course not. Did the whole Was all of heaven
destroyed in Isaiah nineteen. No, And that's talking about a
prophecy in Isaiah's day against Egypt. So people get confused
and they get muddled, and they don't know what they're
talking about because they don't actually know their Bible from
cover to cover.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So one of the advantages of being immersed in Protestanism
forever and ever ever is that you do get to
know your Bible if you take it seriously right, and
then you you weed out a lot of these mistakes,
and then you go and you read the Church fallows
and you realize they had they had it right the
whole time, Like you could have just you know, gone
to them anyway. But I'm going to show you that that, interestingly,
most of the Eastern Fathers, the important Eastern Fathers, they
actually were preterists. They got this right. Why this wasn't
as common in the Latin West, I'm not sure that
could be attributed to many reasons, who knows, but we
know that the Eastern Church, the Eastern Fathers were consistent,
they got it right. I'm even going to show you
modern monastic works right that talk about preterism. Anyway, Now,
we're not full preterists. That's heresy. Full pradism is utterly,
totally unorthodox. I can't believe that all the resurrection, everything
is already fulfilled. That's crazy. Anyway. Well, let's see, so
this comes up all the time in our discord. Is
part of the reason I'm doing this is to have
something to refer to so we don't have to keep
giving this talk over and over and over, because I've
given this explanation about twenty times in discord. So then
he goes on to talk about the fig tree. The
fig tree always represents Israel. Israel is withering, right, It's
a worthless fig tree. It hasn't produced the fruit that
is supposed to. I got dusty books out its almost
start sneezing it again. And another one of the key
texts that we want to know for this. So Luke
is good because in Luke twenty one it's actually a
little clearer than Matthew twenty four. They're both the all
of that discourse, obviously, right. But if you go back
to Matthew twenty three, right before Matthew twenty four, which
is Matthew's version of what's in Luke twenty one, Jesus
says he's talking about the fate of Israel. It's the
same context. He says, Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who
stones the prophets and those sent to you. How I
would have gathered you together as children, as a hen
gathers er chicken ers win. But you were not willing.
Your house is left to you desolate. This is a
prediction of seventy eighty. That's what is talking. It's talking
about seventy year else has left you desolate? What do
you think it means? Desolation? What's the abomination of desolation?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: Well, that whole chapter of twenty three is a rebuke
to that generation, the generation of his day that rejected him.
That whole chapter is a rebuke of that generation. And
that generation is what's going to undergo seventy a d.
Which is the culmination of all of the covenant curses.
All those predictions of covenant curses are going to be
exacted upon that generation. From the murder of Able to
the murder of Zacharia between the Altar, all of that
will come in culmination as the measure of their iniquity
fills up upon that generation of Jesus day because they
rejected the Son of God. So when we understand that,
we begin to understand. Now, wait a minute. The fall
of Jerusalem originally to the Babylonians right from five to
eighty six, that fall is emblematic of the future falls.
And I'm going to show you that this was true
even in the Old Testament. This is not some made
up Christian hermenudy. This was true even back then. So
we're all familiar with. If you get to the end
of the Books of the Kings, right, that's when Israel
falls and they're taken captive. Both first the northern tribe
falls I think to the Syrians, and then the Southern
tribe falls Babylonians, right, and they're led into captivity, and
then they have the seventy years of Babylonian captivity. So
the prophets will speak of this period of captivity, and
of course Daniel is one of the most important for
this time of captivity. And that's why when we see
Daniel two, we noticed that he gives a prediction of
successive world empires. The first imagery that describes the success
of world empires is the giant Idyl of Nebukineser's dream.
Everybody's familiar with, hopefully the story of Daniel and Nebukinese's dream,
and it predicts the success of world empires the Babylonian,
Middle Persian, Greeks, and Romans. Later on we have in
Daniel another dream, another vision, and Daniel sees beasts all right. Now,
this is later on in eleven. But before we get
to Daniel eleven, there's in Daniel nine there's a prediction,
famous prediction of the seventy weeks. I'm not going to
get into this the minutia because we would be here
all night and it's it's a lot of debated stuff.
Let's stick to what's obvious.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And what's obvious is that if you have the Orthodox
Bible and the Canon of Scripture according to the Orthodox Church,
and if you notice the notes on Daniel nine, what's
the first text that's mentioned there? The Epistle of Barnabas,
one of the early Patristic writings, not in the Canon Scripture,
but it's very early. Chapter sixteen observes that this chapter
Daniel nine, twenty four to twenty seven is fulfilled when
the temple and the sanctuary were destroyed in seventy eighty.
The Orthodox Study Bible has it right here. Yes, preterism.
Barnabas also points out that the true temple is the
body of Christ. That's why Jesus says, destroy the temple
and I'll raise it again in three days. Spiritual temple
is His body. By extension the church as well. Thus,
the seventy weeks here is meant seventy weeks of years
four hundred and ninety years seventy times seven. The prophecy
applies to Jeremiah's seventy years. This is why Daniel in
the book says, I figured this out by reading jeremiah patterns. So,
unless you wanted to reject Daniel from scripture. Daniel in
the Old Testament is admitting the pattern and recurring pattern
principle of hermautics in the Old Testament itself. This is
because people who oppose our position, they say, oh, that's
not you're violating, that's not improper hermoneutic. You can't just
you can't take a prediction in the Old Testament and
make patterned applications of Oh, really, well, Daniel does. Saint
Hippolotists says, this is about the coming of the Messiah.
Saint Hypologists gives this a preterist interpretation. The Epistle of
barne of Us gives us a predorist interpretation. This is
not talking about the end of the world. And guess
what if Daniel nine is predist according to these father
then Matthew twenty four and Luke twenty one are also
preterists because they're talking about the same event. Why do
I know that? What does it say? The prophecy says
after sixty two weeks, All right, Messiah the Prince is
who's predicted here. I think everybody knows clearly that's the Messiah, right,
Although some of the goofy evangelicals think Messiah the prince
is the Antichrist, which is utterly ridiculous. But after sixty
weeks an annoyed one would be put to death. All right,
that's the death of Christ. Come on here, let's stop
being stupid. Okay, there will be a judgment for him.
There will be no upright judge for him. He will
destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince who
is coming. Titus, the Roman warrior, is who destroyed Rusalem.
Jesus says, do you remember the parable of the vine dressers?
He says, what will happen to the vine dressers when
the king comes back? He will bring his armies and
he will destroy those wicked people. Matthew twenty two. Jesus says,
this is what's going to happen in seventy eighty. Do
you understand that this is why seventy eighty is so important.
It's the end. It's the culmination of the end of
the Mosaic economy and by extension, the entire Old Testament economy.
They shall appoint the city for desolations. This is the
abomination of desolation. Then he will confirm a covenant with
many for one week, and in the middle of the week,
the sacrifice and the drink offering will be taken away,
and there will be in the temple the abomination of desolation.
And at the end of time, and at the end
of the time, excuse me, an end to the desolation
shall be appointed. Let's go back a little bit, because
it actually starts in I read twenty six skip up
to twenty four seventy weeks or a determine for your
people for the Holy City to make an end to sins.
This is the measure of the sins of these people,
Jesus says. All of the culmination of the sins will
come upon this generation. From righteous Able to Zachariah, this generation,
and thus all things written in the prophets will be fulfilled,
Jesus says to the generation standing in front of him.
Once you know this and then you read through the gospels,
this is so obvious. Of course, that's what he say.
He's not talking about John Hagey and the end of
the world crappy. So I'm about the generation standing in
front of him. I'm not saying there's no application to
the end of the world. We'll get to that. No,
And therefore know therefore and understand that from the going
forth of the word to be answered, and to build
Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince. There will be seventy two weeks.
Excuse me, there shall be seven weeks and sixty two weeks.
Then he will return. The streets in the wall will
be rebuilt, and the time will be left desolate. And
after sixty two weeks the annoyed to one will be
put to death. So it's finishing iniquity. It's also to
atone for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, to
end and seal up the visions and the prophecies, and
to anoint the Holy of Holies. This is all what
Jesus did. Jesus brings eternal righteousness. Jesus atones for sin.
Jesus ends the old Covenant economy. Just read the Book
of Hebrews. The Book of Hebrews is about this. It
proves this. The whole book is saying that Christ has
brought the reality. We don't need temples, we don't need
animal sacrifices, we don't need those old mosaic administration implements
anymore because they're fulfilled in Christ and in the Church.
The Church is a continuation of Israel. Once you have
this mindset, this becomes a very powerful prediction and prophecy.
And you'll note in the text in the note twenty
four through twenty seven that there is a helpful because
we have duterocanonical second Esdras, right, we have Esdras Nehemiah right,
second Esdras that if we want to date it roughly
in what's mentioned in second Esdras seven, seven and eight,
then we under Artiser sees then we have a good
case for the actual specific dating. Now that's debated. That's fine.
I'm not that interested in the exact pinpoint because even
if you don't have that view, this is still believed
to be written before Rome. So unless you have some
view that I'm not aware of, that Daniel wrote after
the Roman Empire, which I've never heard anybody propose that
this is talking about successive world empires. This is talking
about and I don't this isn't even debated like the
four successive empires from He's dating it from the time
of Daniel. I mean the Babylonian captivity. It's a babylon
you know, Persians, right, Darius Cyrus that stuff right, Remember
that in Isaiah and Daniel, the Greeks, when we have
Alexander and Antiochus, Seppefanese and then Rome. And I don't
think anybody down now think of the stupidity of taking
these empires and then taking the last empire under which
the Messiah will be worn according to Daniel, and saying
that that's the Eu, like these goofy Avenge, think how
stupid that is. It's not the EU that destroys the
whole prophecy of Jesus being born under the fourth Empire
after the Greeks, that's Rome. Jesus is born under the
Roman Empire. The Gospels make it a point to say that,
to show that it's fulfilling what Daniel predicted. Now things
get difficult, yes they are, Harry, they're difficult when we
come to the sections in Daniel ten and eleven about
the Angelic Visitor, in particular chapter eleven, which appears to
be about the Maccabies, right because it talks about Antiochus,
it talks about the Greeks, so it's predicting, and it
mentions in Daniel eleven the abomination of desolation. How do
we solve this? Well, guess what if you have the
view that I just told you of mirrored events, you
know exactly how to solve this because if you read Maccabees,
then you know that there's a desolation that occurs under
the Maccabees, and not just under the Maccabees. It happens
in third Maccabees, undertole of Me. So there's not just
one abomination of desolation the temple gets desecrated. There's an abomination,
abomination that makes for desolations more than once. Now how
do I know that? Ultimately? Because Jesus cites Daniel. Jesus
cites Daniel's abomination of desolation. And what's Jesus talking about.
We all know he's talking about seventy eight. We know
that's what he's talking about. When the Romans come in,
they desecrate the temple, just like the Babylonians had back
in five eighty six BC, just like Antiochus does. The Greek,
one of Alexander's underlings, he sacrifices a pig on the altar.
Antiochus does. That's what makes the Maccabees so furious. He
desecrates the temple. He's a type of Antichrist. He's a
satanically inspired individual who is mocking God by that action.
Have you not read Maccabee's That's what the whole book's about.
It occurs again ptold of me P told me is
a Egyptian ruler. And in third Maccabees there's another type
of this event. By the way, Jeremiah predicts these same events, right,
Jeremiah speaks of the abomination of desolation in Jeremiah four.
This is the proof for my view. It's something my view.
I just got this from what the prophets themselves did
in terms of hermeneutics. I didn't invent this, and it's
the way that the church fathers apply this text.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So if you read Jeremiah four, we did a whole
lecture on Jeremiah. Go listen to that. You will see
the same four animals of Daniel. When Daniel says I
read Jeremiah to get my hermaeneutic in this pattern, he's
not doing anything different than what Jeremiah did. Jeremiah has
the same animals, the same beasts. Now that we understand this,
it's that easy, right. And by the way, when you
read into let's see Jeremiah, this continues the curses upon
the people. All you have to do is understand that
it's a recurring pattern. It's that easy. And the key.
The key to this is the maccabies. It's Jeremiah eight,
by the way. So what I'm saying here is that
this term abomination that makes for decl of abomination of
desolation is when the altar is defiled, when a pagan
ruler comes in and defiles the altar. It happens in
five eighty six base BC with the Babbylony captivity. This
is predicted in Jeremiah thirty six and thirty seven. Right,
this is what Daniel's talking about when he says I
was reading Jeremiah to figure all this out. It says
that I prayed, and Gabriel came and explained all this
to me. So Daniel prophesying under the captivity. You see,
he's after Jeremiah. He says, I went back, I read
the scrolls of Jeremiah. God enlightened me. Gabriel came, explained
me the Gabriel hermeneutic, which is the right hermaudic, and
then I saw what was going on. I saw the
coming world empire, the same ones that Jeremiah predicted, the
same beasts. Do you understand that it's the same animals. Now,
how dumb is it, how dumb and undermining of our
whole thing to take the fourth Beast, rip it out
of the fulfillment of the Roman Empire and the birth
of the Messiah and apply this to some stupid EU stuff.
But the EU has a poster with the tar bubbon. Yeah,
I know that, But so what we don't do hermoneudicts
by posters and reading that back into the Bible. That's retarded,
totally stupid. You just destroyed the one of the strongest
proofs for the religion by doing that, you idiot. And
by the way, what was that just reading the catechetical
lectures of Seid people get there? You you so mean
to people? You could the catechetical lectures of Saint Cyril.
Have you read those? No, you haven't, But if you do,
look at the way he talks about people who are
here a lot like he's he's the most intense I've seen,
Like Saint Cyril. He just like he's like, you're demonic,
you're the mouths of heretics. You're there, the mouths of heretics,
of the gates of Hell. He says, they're fools, they're idiots.
They're every name in the book. He has no problem
in his catechises. Did you hear that he's teaching catechumens.
He calls the heretics a bunch of idiots, fools, demons.
Me calling them retarto is being nice compared to the
way Saint Cyril speaks of them in the category of elections.
So anyway, so this I think is the solution to
this Maccabee's uh, and there is, it's in it's right
away right first mccabee's first few chapters is the abomination there,
this is what sparks the Maccabees to revolt. And then yeah,
so the abomination of desolation. Now this is after Daniel.
You see. So I'm going to prove this if we
open up second Let's mentioned in Second Macabees two, but
let's go to first Macabees and we'll see that this
Antichrist move is an attempt to stamp out the missile.
Why are they doing this? Why do these pagan emperors
even care? Well, we know that it's actually inspired by Satan,
who back in Genesis three was told that the seed
of the woman is going to crush the head of
the serpent. So he knows that from this lineage, somebody's
coming that's going to be a problem for him. Now,
he doesn't know everything, he's not omniscient, so he doesn't
have the full picture, but he knows that he needs
to get rid of this group, this people group. This
is why the Jews are constantly persecuted in the Old Testament.
And so in a first Maccabe's Chapter one, we have
the Abomination of Desolation, verse fifty four. They set up
the abomination of desolation and the altar of the whole
burnt offering and brought the altars in the surrounding cities
of Jerusalem, of Judah. They burned incense at the door,
found the Book of the Law, burn them. They burned
up the book. They found the Book of the Covenant,
blah blah blah, and it says they wanted to kill
everybody they acted against Israel. Okay, so why they want
to kill everybody because the Messiah is going to be
born of this people. Right now, Antiochus Epiphanes is not
that intelligence. He doesn't know what's going on. Right Antiochis
pillages the temple. He's just a possessed idiot, right, But
behind him is that Satanic spirit, same spirit behind the
babyloon in captivity. So then we have the story of
the Maccabees, right, and then the abomination comes up again
in six where they Antiochus the fourth is about to die.
The abomination is still there, the idol on top of
the temple or the alter excuse me, and so Judas
Macabeas turns it tears it down. Is the Judas somebody
tears it down. They pulled down the abomination. They do
in pracatory prayers. By the way, we have the mention
of Rome beginning to rise, and this fulfills Daniels in
chapter eight. This fulfills Daniel's prediction of the Fourth beasts
the bottom of the of nevcan eesers image right the
feet of the image in chapter nine of First Maccabees.
That right. They keep trying to destroy the temple. They
keep trying to destroy it. The bomination is okay. So
in chapter twelve of Maccabees.
Speaker 2: We have.
Speaker 3: I have a note here on our semi note. I
don't know you can read chapter twelve, but once again
you'll see that this is a mirroring. The abomination is mirrored.
In seventy eighty Accorney Luke twenty one. But that's not all. Now,
keep in mind, if you're evangelical, you don't have maccabees,
you don't have this key insight of seeing that Daniel
nine is mirrored. Now, maybe you could derive it just
from reading Jeremiah and Daniel. That's plausible. But I think
this is a key insight because let's see if we
move to second mccabee's I think I think it comes
up again. Abomination comes up again in second mccabee's five. Yes,
once again. The attempt is to stamp out this race
of people, and to do so they want to destroy
the worship of this race of people. You see, That's
why this is so key. Yes, And then in chapter six,
second mac Be six, you have the persecution Athens versus
Jerusalem here and they try to destroy the temple polluted again.
They put up an image of Zeus, Zeus the Hospitable,
and they want the Jews to stop following the law
of God. Now again, why do they want to destroy
this race of people? Now, all the pagan LARPers, the
Jews or bud No, it's because they're bringing the Messiah,
that's who. And Satan doesn't know. He might have known
the Davidic prophecies, but he doesn't know how this is
going to all go down, right, He just knows if
he can stamp out this race, this people, which is
what Pharoh tried to do and who else all these
rulers try to do in Maccabees and what Herod tries
to do. Right, Remember when Herod does Herod does the
exact same thing that's favor now again to prove the
repeating pattern view, there's a yet another character in Third Maccabees,
another abomination of desolation. In Third Maccabees, the character of
Ptolemy told me yet another type of Antichrist. Uh third
Maccabee's chapter two here this is this one's fascinating because
Ptolemy seems to be an even clearer type of Antichrist
than Antiochus was, because what does it say in the
note here at the end of two he tries to
mark everybody with his dionys In Pagan Mystery religion mark right,
look at two twenty eight and twenty nine. And the
notes in the Orthodox study Bell were really good because
they point out Ptolemy registered to those those registered are
those who willingly comply. They are branded with the mark
of allegiance that will be permanent. Some people in ancient
times would brand themselves as a symbol of their god.
Here it is the ivy leaf. Saint John predicts a
similar mark when Antichrist comes Revelation thirteen, sixteen seventeen and
the note on twenty eight said battle lines are drawn
here for an unseen spiritual warfare. The Jews must worship,
must not worship their god by the dictator of Ptolemy,
and everyone in Alexandria must sacrifice to the god Dionysius.
The census is of the slaves and the servant classes,
seemingly unique to Alexander, the juer effectively becoming the property
of the states. So we have like a statism. This
is the beast, right that the beast is the state
proclaiming itself God. And in the apocalypse, of course it
has a religion that goes along with it, the false prophet.
But the beast is the state. It's a state power
who has along with it a false prophet, the whore,
the hoe, which is the false religion. But I just
want to point out that third Maccabees and told of
me with his mark. Imagine that and a whole other
type and pattern, recurring pattern of an antichrist figure who
tries to mark everybody so that they can have commerce
and all that and live in the world. Right, and
if you don't have maccabees, and by the way, Orthodox
have third Maccabees. You see, so yet another proof that
we have another testament to our view that the other
people don't have. All right, let me pour a little
more coffee, because it's late and we're having a late
night theology stream with whow four hundred and fifty people.
I didn't know this many people would be interested in first, second,
third Macabees in old Testament predictions. Now, if you would
smash like, give me that like, and I much appreciate that,
and let me pour a little coffee. Listen to a
little bit of sweet amid the ruins dire wave. Give
me about thirty seconds. Don't run off, don't run off,
be're right back, all right, welcome, thank you, glad to
see you all here. We got a room of almost
two hundred nerds. I'm sure the nerds will pile in
then we can get up to about three hundred to night.
Speaker 6: We'll see it's your boy Jay in the house. You
boy can't see me.
Speaker 3: All right, I got some more firewater. By that, I
mean coffee, I don't mean spirits. I don't drink. It's
weird how I've never have a desire to drink at all. Ever.
I used to love alcohol my twenties. I drink all
the time, and thankfully. I mean yeah, I mean I
wasn't like a super drunk, but I did drink too
much and then just went away. It's crazy, no desire ones,
I don't ever.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know. It's a weird thing. Wish
I could be I'd be delivered by from my other
vices so easily, like get rid of the other The
other ones are a little harder, right, It's like the
other ones are quitting, quitting alcohol, quitting smoking cigarettes. Those
are easy compared to the other vices, you know what
I mean, Like pride and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: All right, let's see what was I going to do next?
We talked about the beasts third Macabees. Okay, so let's
look at uh some of the texts.
Speaker 3: Now. I believe that the apocalypse follows the structure roughly
of the all of that discourse. So I do think
they're talking about the same event. The best case, in
my view, you have another video. I'm not going to
go onto the Antichrist character itself, but if you want
to watch my video on Antichrist, just try Jade Antichrist
into YouTube and you'll get mine. It's not about ten
thousand music. I spent about forty minutes kind of outlining
my view of Antichrist. Nero is the immediate context. Now,
I don't believe that it's only Nero right. Everything's not
fulfilled in the first century. That's crazy. That's a heresy.
There are people who are full predists. I do believe
that is a heresy that's completely out of a chord
with the entire history of Orthodox Christianity, the bodily Resurrection,
all of that. So no, we don't believe full preterism.
So what's the solution. Well, let's start with the monastic text.
That is a good one to read. Now, unfortunately this
is out of print. I've mentioned it many times at
Ortho Christian There is a summary article. There's an article
that's he printed out. It's about ten pages and it's
a summary of this booklet which is like fifty pages roughly,
but there's a great text in here that kind of
lays out my view. So I was actually surprised when
I read because I thought, oh, they're not going to
mention preterism. It's going to be it's going to be
all these speculations. And it's not. It's that this is
not bad. It's actually mainly just what the Church fathers say,
so it's not too much speculation. Pretty good overall. I
would say that this this book is pretty accurate probably
how things are going to go down. I'm not saying
we're in in times, so we're not going there. I'm
just trying to give you guys caution here. This is
what we're trying to do. We want accurate view, we
don't want to go into sensationalism and speculations. So the
Holy Fathers of the Church explain how all these words
about Matthew twenty four Luke twenty one are a prototype.
Excuse me, let me go back. The Holy Fathers of
the Church explain that these words the glad tidings of
the Kingdom, will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as
a witness to all the nations, and then the incomes
This points to the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy eighty
as a prototype of the future. Greater tribulations will come
when the fury of this prophecy is fulfilled at the
end of time. The fall of Jerusalem is symbolic of
the end of the world. Terrible though it was, it
was only a shadow of what is to come upon
mankind at the end. Yes, so we want to notice
that that is our pattern of hermeneutics. Here they go
on to note, in addition, many believers begin will follow
after many four run to Antichrist. Okay, so they will
mention it mentions that there are many Antichrists. And so
then it goes into many of the church fathers right
talking about what to expect one world religion type thing,
eventually mass apostasy in the church, as Paul predicts a
one at some point, not saying that right now this
is the mass aposta. It could be we may we
may be getting there. But here's the key thing. The
other thing I wanted to mention from this text, which
is that, uh, one of the elders, I think I've
marked it on one of the saints. I thinks. Anyway,
they make the point that we don't have to worry
about that. Okay, we're not goofy evangelicals who sit around
trying to make big prophecy charts all day to figure
out when the end of the world, the rapture is
all that nonsense. The closer that we get to the end,
the Saints say, the clearer it will be, so we
don't have to worry about that. We don't have to
worry about news headlines and trying to is John when
he talks about the scorpions, is that a helicopter with
a nuke attached to it? Just now, we don't have
to worry about that, And I don't think John's talking
about helicopters with nukes. By the way, the Saints are
clear that as the time gets closer that we will
know it's it's gonna be obvious. Okay, it's not gonna
be like nobody's gonna know except five people in a
monastery somewhere. I mean it will be obvious when we
see these things coming to pass, right, so that we
can be I mean it'll be obvious to us in
the church. I'm saying it's not gonna be obvious to
everybody because a lot of people are gonna fall for
all this deception and nonsense, right, But to those in
the church it will be obvious because they will know
these pretty clear signs. And this this book goes into
mentioning you know all of what the church fathers speak
of as the key signs. You know, things like there
will be a one world religion that will be enforced.
It will be the same as the ancient pagan mystery religions.
There will be a world government, there will be an
Antichrist figure. There will be a false religion that is promoted,
and then the anti Christ casts that off and says,
you have to worship me now, hahaha, tricked you that
false religion wasn't the real deal. It worshiped me, or
you know, you can't do anything a mass apostasy. The
Church in whole apostatizes. And as you've heard me say
many times, the church fathers teach us you don't like this,
It's not my fault. It's what the church teaches, it's
what Paul teaches. And it is true. This will occur
whether you believe it or not. And that means that
you can't say that there are no more Jews. That's dumb. Now,
I'm not saying that that means that evangelical stuff's right.
It's not. John Hagen's not right. But it's also not right.
What all these idiot LARPers and trads think that there
are no more Jews? That's dumb. That's not true. That's
not the patristic view. How can the church fathers say
that the Jews will be converted there's no more Jews, dune,
that's dumb. How can there be Jews being mentioned for
centuries in the church the Church's canons. If Jews don't
exist after the first that's ridiculous. What are you talking about?
Total ignorance of church history. I know what the Talmud says.
I know all that stuff, right, So don't bring me
that because it doesn't matter because the Church, the New
Testament teaches that eventually there will be a conversion. Now
I've changed my view on the Enoch and Elijah thing.
I used to think the Enoch and Elijah thing was
purely in the first century, and it was I don't know,
some prophesying between thirty to seventy eighty and Israel, you
know who knows in the spirit of Enoch and Elijah
but I actually think that probably Enoch and Elijah will
have to return. I mean, that's the only way that
people would actually believe, right, I mean, it would take
something that wild for you know, people in Israel to convert.
That's my suspicion. But there's a whole chapter on Enoch
and Elijah here. Most of our saints think that that
would probably occur. Now, it does mention the attempt to
cease the liturgy. I would not jump on. I mean,
because all the world's liturgies haven't ceased, because I wouldn't
jump on Kurunka on all this stuff. Oh, it's the
end of the world because of Karunka. Not yet. I mean,
there's a lot of other things that we haven't seen
yet that are going to be clear as the end
of the world. Okay, so let's we're not jumping to
end of the world yet. I mean, Karunka is fake
and hey, uh so, I mean is that really like
an End Times plague? Come on, no, it's not. That's crazy. Look,
the End Times plagues don't sound fake and gay, they
sound real. Right, So anyway, we're not going to do
a whole lecture on apostas. But I do recommend this treatise.
I think it's really good from Holy Transfiguration Monastery because
it's just it's just a collection of whether Church Father said.
That's all it is. It's not even it's not really
any speculations.
Speaker 1: Going on in there.
Speaker 3: But it's good because it mentions the importance of preterism. Okay,
so first let's look at Basil. Okay, So Athenacious Athanatius
has multiple texts where he speaks of the partial predist view.
And because I have read significant almost all of this volume,
or a large portion of this voey, I can tell you. Okay,
So on the Incarnation one twelve is applied to Christ
in the First Advent Daniel nine, as you've heard me explicating,
it is read of the First Advent, and on the
Incarnation thirty nine and forty. There is still a second
Advent to come, however, so he's not a full predteris.
On the Incarnation one fifty six, Letter sixty, section seven
speaks of preterism in seventy eighty. I can't even read
my notes. Something old testament fulfilled festal Letter four four
and five, Letter one seven and eight speaks of seventy eighty.
Now those are just the ones I've noticed. There's more.
There's more. So there are some prederist texts and Athanasius
if you want to write those downs Catechetical Lectures of
Saint Cyril of Jerusalem that I mentioned, which I read
all these ten years ago. I took copious notes on
the catechetical lectures. Where's the where's the prederist tips? I've
got a a note for thee here it is. He
interestingly does what I do with Isaiah. So if you
read Catechetical Lectures sixteen, eighteen, and nineteen, that is applied
to the First Advent seventy eight Isaiah one eight. By
the way, you can just look these up really quickly.
They're all online New Advent. You can look up the
catechetical lectures.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So that's at least one from Saint Cyril. Okay, so
one of the best, of course, chrystalstom on Matthew Matthew
twenty four Homily fifty seventy five on Matthew twenty four
seventy a d. He says, is the immediate context the
Wars of Jerusalem. And he says, but that is a
type of the end of the world again. Saint John
Chrystals homily is seventy five on Matthew twenty four. The
whole homily is all about preterism. Do you know how
many people I've had telling me, George, uh epistol? Is
it that I already mentioned the pistol? Yeah? I mentioned
the pistol of Barnabas, didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Eusebius the famous Church history Eusebius Chapter seven, Book three,
Chapter seven, the Predictions of Christ. Well, guess what abomination
of desolation? Joe Cephas chapter eight signs seventy eighty destruction
of the temple. Now there is one that I remember something.
John Damascus mentions it somewhere anyway, But if you go
back and listen to my lectures in Johnamascus on the
exposition orthdox Faith, I mentioned it in those lectures. Now
that's just ones that I've noticed. There's more, But man,
the Eastern fathers aren't a lot more. Now, Hippolytiss is
a Latin father right now, but typically the Eastern Fathers
are clearer on this. Now, just as an interesting side note,
because the Trads are almost never prediced. I don't know why,
but the Trads are like they don't get this. But
in the old Saint Andrew missile from my trid days. Yeah,
see see here's proof trad See how warned this is.
It's actually worn out. The gold leaf leafing is all
worn out because I actually did take my tradism seriously
and I actually did go to the Latin mass for
me many years. It's not fake, it's all it's all true.
I made up. There is a lengthy note on criticism.
Where is it? I remember it from my trid base.
Got it marked somewhere. I think it's one of the
readings for like Easter or something. Here it is, I
found it. So in the traditional Latin missile the twenty
fourth and last Sunday after Pentecost. Your missile notes.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 3: Dude, this text is so small. I can't even read it.
Look at this text.
Speaker 5: It's when do you read that? Look at that anyway?
Here you can see I'm not making it up. If
you want to screenshot that and read it later.
Speaker 3: Getting in that HD ten eighty p. Says the Assyrians
have destroyed Samaria and the Chaldeans have laid waste to Jerusalem,
but all this desolation will be repaired by the Messiah.
When he comes. Micah goes on to foretell that Christ
will be born in Bethlehem and his kingdom, that of
the heavenly Jerusalem, will have no end. The prophets naem
habakk zephy Andiah, at Hagai, Zachariah, and Malachi, whose books
are read in the Divine Office the same week, their
testimony to that of Micah. In Our Lord's first words
in Today's Gospel, he quotes Daniel's prophecy of the total
and final ruin of the Temple at Jerusalem and of
the Jewish nation at the hands of the Roman army,
this abomination of desolation being incurred by the people of
Israel for rejecting Christ. As a matter of fact, this
prediction was fulfill some years after the Lord's death, exactly
in seventy eighty. This destruction of the temple is a
type of the end of the world, and then it
goes on to it. Basically, to repeat this, I had
to stand up because I can barely read this tiny,
tiny print. So there you go. Even the Latin missile
teaches preterism. Go che on that tread. All right. So
now we brought this up many times, but I always
have to bring it up. People say, ooh a little.
Most likes to read on this. So if you want
an introduction book to this topic, I would say this
is a good one. Great tribulation by David Chiltern. Children
came close to Orthodoxy in his latter days. I don't
think he ever officially converted. And there is a new
one out I haven't read. I think Lightheart has a
commentary on the Apocalypse that's good. I haven't read it,
so I'm not going to recommend it. But this is
a classic. So if you can get your hands on
David Chilton's Day's a Vengeance, they're both good. And also
the Hermaeutic at work here that is based on the
Church Fathers. If there was one good book on hermautics,
I would recommend it from an Orthodox perspective. But I
mean you could read Maximus or something like that, because
he'll tell you the you know, the four layers of
the scripture. That's pretty common by the late Middle Ages.
All the East and West have the four senses of scripture.
But if you are coming from a Protestant mindset, maybe
you want a more biblical introduction to the topic of hermaeutics.
James Jordan basically borrowed the Church Father's hermanudic and put
it into a book. Of course, you can skip his
Protestant stuff and just go right into Orthodoxy. But Through
New Eyes is a good book. It is a good
spirit of the Patristic hermeneutic. He's kind of a quasi Anglican,
I guess now nowadays anyway, So those are good intro
level stuff. There's there's more, obviously could be said, but
and there's many more Church Father's texts on preterism too.
I'm just giving you a sample. How long have we gone,
hour and a half. It's pretty good. So a few
last points on Antichrist. I mean, so my view, yes,
I think that what we saw occur in these patterns
of people. Okay, Pharaoh type of Antichrist, Judas type of Antichrist,
Pole of me third Maccabees type of Antichrist. Antiochus, Epiphanies
type of Antichrist. Nebuchinese are type of Antichrist, because Neger
sets with this giant idol and says you have to
worship it or you die. Nero. If you read Gentry's
book before Jerusalem fell, his THHD thesis. Think proves Nero
is the Antichrist of the first century. That's what the
Book of the Apocalypse is immediate context is. That's why
John says at the beginning of the Apocalypse that what
I'm writing to the seven churches of Asian mine are
they are going to experience quickly. So, yeah, there's a
full there's a final fulfillment. Apocalypse nineteen all right, the
Great White Throne, Judgment, the return of Christ, the millennial Rain,
the millennial reign is something that began first Advent. It's
not a thousand years of eating giant grapes and moving palsign.
It's a spiritual kingdom that was established. That is the Church.
The Church is a millennial rain. Those who are baptized
participate in the first Resurrection, and then the new heavens
and the New Earth. In the Orthodox view, is the
renovation of this world. This universe, right, this universe is renovated,
it's transfigured. When Christ became incarnate. The purpose of that
was to restore what Adam had lost. This in the
Patristic teaching is what's called the recapitulation. Now this unfortunately,
this doctrine is lost in the West after the time
of Augustine. Nobody knows has any idea what recapitulation is.
It is fundamental, however, to Orthodox theology from here Anas
all the way up through to John Damascus, there is
a recapitulation where Christ restores what Adam lost, and that
being the nature. Nature is restored. It doesn't mean everybody saved, though,
because the way that you in hypostatize nature and utilize
your will is going to determine whether it's ever ill
being or ever well being in the escaton. That's basic
Saint Maximums teaching right there. But the nature itself is
going to be restored, and that's why all men are resurrected.
That's why even the wicked are resurrected because of Christ
restoring their nature. But having your nature restored does not
mean that you get an automatically pleasurable experience of the escoton. Right,
nature can be restored, but the experience of nature depends
on the tropos, the mode in which nature exists, which
is in the mode of persons. So individual hypostaces will
have a different experience depending upon how they utilize their
natural will for virtue or for vice. According to Saint
Maxims and by extension, according to Jonan Maskins, who follows
Saint Maximus to the tea, now will there be a
great tribulation and all that? Yeah, I think so. I think.
I think a lot of these things. And now to
what degree every element of the Apocalypse is mirrored at
the end of time. I don't know. Anybody who tells
you they know everything about that is lying to you,
and it's I'm kind of John Hage Konyent. I don't know.
Maybe if God grants me the grace in thirty years,
if I'm still alive, maybe then I'll know more about that.
But I don't pretend to know. And anybody who claims
to know all the mysteries of scripture, especially in regard
to the Apocalypse, which is, you know, one of the
most difficult books, along with the other apocalypsees Zachariah Ezekiel.
They're very difficult books. So we have to tread lightly
and we have to understand that from the Orthodox perspective,
there's a lot of factors that will go into how
we interpret and understand these texts, which first of all,
can't be done purely by studying and reading books. So
the news has to be cleansed through repentance, through good works,
aesthetic practice, prayer, liturgy. Then we grow in our understanding
of these things by God's grace and so and then
it's not just us reading right, it's our experience. It's
in the liturgy where God teaches us. In the liturgy,
we read the lives of the saints, we get taught there.
We look at the icons, we read the icons and
they teach us as well. We read the Bible, it
teaches us. So there's this symbiotic relationship between all of
these things. We read, the church fathers, they teach us.
All of these things go into right. So then every
time we come back to read the Bible, we have
an even greater, even broader, better perspective by being immersed
in the totality of this experience of the church's life.
So all those things go into it. Right. You can't
like separate, Well, I just want my Bible. I'm just
Google read my Bible in the corner and I'm gonna
figure all this stuff out. No, that's idiotic. It's not that.
It's not a book that's meant for you to go
sit in the corner and figure it all out. By yourself.
It's not an algorithm that you decode. It has to
be a lived thing, right, And I don't care who
you are or how much you've read, Like The Apocalypse
is a difficult book. And I don't even think that
anybody's gonna understand all these mysteries until well, ultimately, not
until the Escuton obviously, but as we get closer to
the time of these final final things, then yeah, God
will grant more understanding to you know, the saints, to
the Alders, these kinds of people in the church, you know,
people who are following him. He will grant the understanding
of those things. But as Paul says, let us strive
to eat meat and not to only feed on milk. Right,
what does Hebrews say? You should be taking strong doctrine
and meat, not just staying fixated on the milk the
baby stuff. So we are supposed to get into I mean,
they're here for a reason, all right, and get sick
of the people who are luck well, we won't read
that stuff in our church. Well, that's because you're idiot,
the Bible says. Scripture says, blessed are those who read
the Apocalypse. Why would you not want a blessing. I mean,
that's that's idiotic, stupid anyway. So that's a good introduction
to what we want to caution against and the direction
that we want to go to understand these very difficult things.
And hopefully this can be a good introduction for the
future questions of eschatology, Bible, prophecy, this kind of stuff
that there's so much sensationalism, so much idiocy, so many
con men, so much stupid crap. And look, I was
raised in the evangelical gift you stuff, so I'm trying
to save you from having to go through a bunch
of nonsense. Okay, I was a dispensationalist. I thought when
I was nineteen, I'm on a prophecy study Bible. I
thought John Hagey was right. So I had to go
through all this stupid stuff. And I'm just trying to
tell you that you don't have to. Okay, I went
through all this crap for you. Man, If you want
to be hard headed and go through all that stupid stuff,
well good luck with have fun, because it's going to
be a nightmare. But this is much better. This is
the mature, traditional historic approach anyway. So hopefully this has
this is we want a sober approach that what I'm
trying to do, right, We want to be sober on
the one hand, but not fall into the liberal nonsense
on the other hand, of like denying the inspiration and
all this kind of stuff. Right, just think about Jesus's day.
Who are the two dialectical opposite goophises that Jesus is
always having to interact with the scribes and the Pharisees.
And who are the scribes, the Sadducees the liberals? Remember
how it says that that the Sadducees deny resurrection, that
deny miracles and the existence of angels. And Jesus says
that they're idiots and they are hard hearted and they
have no faith, that they don't believe the scriptures. Me
constantly says that to them, they're the liberals. And who
are the Pharisees, the rigorous super super I'm holier than
now and making up all these laws that aren't even
in the actual revelation. Right, And guess what, we still
have these same two extremes in our day. We have
the liberals. Do whatever you want. There's no miracles religion
as a symbol. It's just moral tales or whatever, and
blah blah blah, and then you've got rigorous on the
other the extremist Pharisees. And by the way, who got
the worst condemnation, the rigorous. Now, I'm not telling you
to be a liberal. I'm just saying that how we
strike that balance is very important because Jesus' harshest condemnations
are for the Pharisees, even above the sagescees. So I'm
not telling you to be a liberal at all. Right,
I believe Jesus is very clear about the inspiration of
the text, the inherancy of the text. Jesus has a
strong view of in and inspiration, and he pronounces a
blessing for those who read the Old Testament. He says,
you're like a treasure hunter who brings treasure out of
old into the New if you understand and study the
Old Testament. He says that not one jot or tittle
of the Old Testament is wrong or will fail. So
we should get our doctrine of inspiration from Christ and
from the Church fathers. And by the way, the Church
fathers teach inernancy. There might be debate between textual traditions
like origin and Jerome to Patristic era textual critics. They
might have disputed different copies, but Jerome has some of
the strongest statements on inerrancy. If you look at what
he says on the Psalms. Jerome goes so far as
to say that even the introductions to the Psalms, even
the sections of the songs have letters like Psalm one
Drum says, even those are inspired. He says, the Holy
Spirit put those there. So this idea that, oh, the
Church fathers they didn't teach you inerancy. I can be
liberal if I become worthoo it. No you can't, No,
you can't. Total nonsense. I could give you fifty quotes
from the Church Fathers on the inerancy, inspiration, and authority
of Scripture. Total misunderstanding. And by the way, smart Protestants
can run circles around Catholics and dumb Orthodox who think
that the Church Fathers don't teach inspiration and inernancy. Anyway,
let's read some of the super chats, so I hope
this is helpful, just to give a Patristic balanced traditional interpretation.
It is the time of the resurrection, I mean technically
right now, it's like the next day, but today was
erection Sunday. I hope everybody had a good pasca, even
though it's a corunka pasca, which is all very bizarre.
But yeah, we want to understand that let the Bible
inform our view of the world. Don't take headlines and
read them into the Bible. That's what I'm trying to
caution against. You see, does that mean we can't look
at the where is my note? I mean, if you
think about some of the examples, the rise of occultism, okay,
brain links, abration, right, nano dots, r f I D, transhumanism, ecumenism,
Internet of Things, five GA, a global economy, universal basic income,
end of the family. Are these signs of the time? Yes?
They are now. A lot of these evils in different
forms have been around, so I wouldn't immediately say that, Well,
we're definitely in the final, final end times. There's a
lot of prophecies that still have to be fulfilled. So
we know the end of the world's not coming tomorrow,
but regardless, it could be could be the end of
the world. I don't know. I don't claim to know anyway,
So we had to be wise on how we approach
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all I can think of, covered all the books I
wanted to. Yeah, God bless everybody, have a good night.
And by the way, the resurrection, right, I mean, that
was the whole point of this. Somebody was getting mad
at me the beginning of the stream. Why are you
talking about this? So you bitched about nothing?
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