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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to season four, episode eighteen of Clips in Dips.

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I am Chuck Weckler, joined by Adam Oslind and William Updyke.

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We have the full crew for you today. Oh what

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a what a time to be a Clippers fan. We're

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playing great basketball. We're gonna talk the road trip, the

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upcoming week against some you know, beatable opponents, of course

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the Pablotory episode. If you're watching us at YouTube dot

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com Slash Clippers podcast, thank you, And if you want

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to do more than listen, you can find us there. Adam, Will,

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how the hell are we doing after that? Uh two

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and one on the.

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Speaker 1: Three and four?

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Speaker 2: Oh wait road trip? Will? How are you feeling after this?

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Speaker 3: Elated? Ecstatic man? Not like the prettiest wins, but we

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got it done. Who cares?

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Speaker 2: Adam?

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Speaker 4: You know, I couldn't rely on my Panthers or my

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Ducks this weekend, but the Clippers always come through in

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the end.

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Speaker 2: I do like it's been nice because I feel like

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we've watched the Clippers team. Like obviously the six game

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win streak was a spike in like productivity or whatever

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that maybe wasn't sustainable. But now we've gotten to the

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point where the Clippers are able to win gross games,

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and they were losing every single gross game to start

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the season. They didn't play super great and the loss

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to start the road trip, but that's whatever. But like right,

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it's nice to see them overcome some of the bad

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stuff that they do still have to work on.

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Speaker 4: I would like to point out I saw this stat

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at the very end of the game, and I couldn't

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believe it. They're four and three in games where they

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have twenty turnovers this season.

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Speaker 3: Unreal, that's insane.

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Speaker 4: So he gotta dude, it's a five and three. No.

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I that was an incredible victory. They were down fourteen

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with I think nine to thirty seven left in the

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fourth and in two minutes they were within two points,

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and most of that was I think Kawhi had nine

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of the points on the twelve zero run and then

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John Collins had a three pointer. Just incredible flip the

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switch ability late that game to lock in. And also,

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I mean the the twelve turnovers by Detroit in the.

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Speaker 2: Fourth quarter, it was insane.

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Speaker 4: The Clippers did generate them, but they also were awful.

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Speaker 2: I like to where are we at well? We talked

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about ahead of the week maybe Hard not being fully healthy.

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But now we're dealing with Kawhi's ankle tweak. It hasn't

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seemed to affect him super bad.

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Speaker 3: No, no, not form a productivity standpoint. He is questionable

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for tomorrow's game according to the injury report, but I'm

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assuming that he's gonna be good to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought he would sit one of the games out,

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but he was. I liked the first game he was

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moreked questionable against the Nets. It was nice that we

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got like the early flurry from Harden because that didn't

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that made it so Kawhi didn't have to necessarily be

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Kawhi right off the bat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean he needs whatever help out

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there you can get.

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Speaker 2: So Zoo with a few okay performances. He was good

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down the stretch against Brooklyn and Detroit, which was nice.

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Speaker 3: He kind of like, when is the show gonna stop

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shielding Zoo?

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Speaker 1: We're not.

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Speaker 2: You've completely flipped. Will's flipped to the other side.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The other thing we all like, we don't have to

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choose between these two centers is the other funny part.

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We just have both centers. If you like both of them,

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but the clips are nine and two over the last

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eleven games. Adam and Will, what's been your favorite part

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of this stretch of very good basketball from the Clippers.

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You can only pick one thing.

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Speaker 4: Some of the young guys and their contributions. Jan Miller

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Jordan Miller against Brooklyn was awesome and he was good,

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especially to start yesterday too, and then Kobe Sanders here

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and there. We're starting to see a blend of Okay,

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you can win games. You have these good veteran performances,

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but also the young guys are going to supplement here

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and there too. That's great to see.

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Speaker 3: And that's gonna be the one, like most positive thing

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so far about this season is even if you're not

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happy with the results, which you know, agree with you,

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they turn a corner, but they've managed to even as

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they've started to stack up wins in the win column,

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still fine meaningful minutes for these young guys to be

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able to produce. Uh. Still giving a little bit of

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leeway to play through mistakes and stuff. So yeah, it's

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it's it is one of the better storylines of this season. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Was that a go if you're miss if you're not

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watching it, you just missed a ghost open up Will's

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door and then close it. We don't know what that was. Yes,

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and Jordan Miller being good has been like, I'm surprised

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how good he's looked. He's had a great run of

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form this last like week and a half or so.

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Speaker 4: It's awesome healthy again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's and they're all the young guys are

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kind of trying to do the little stuff too, which

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I like, it's not just the scoring. You know, before

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Yanni came out, we before he kind of stopped playing two.

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We saw it, and it's been so clutch with I

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mean Bogie and Derek Jones Junior. It's just like those

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are the Derek Jones junior shoes are a lot bigger

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to fill. But it's like we still need bodies, right,

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Chris Paul's another empty roster spot that we're not getting

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like any from So that makes the young guys being

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good all the more fun to watch. Will, what's your

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favorite thing? Since it seemed like Adam stole the young

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guys point from you, I mean a purpose, No, I

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mean that.

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Speaker 4: With these young guys here.

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Speaker 3: That is one of the like it just is one

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of the bright spots for this season. I mean, how

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many years have we've been begging for some sort of opportunity,

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you know, to get some sort of player development in

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you know, not only did we knock the Sandors draft

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like out of the park, being able to actually develop

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that into something is huge. You know, it will probably

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get word any day about him being being moved up

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to a regular roster spot, and you know, coming into

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this season, especially looking at the roster that that wasn't

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necessarily something I was expected, and you know, with the

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injuries and everything, it has been needed, but it's still

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good nonetheless to get that sort of development in there.

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The other thing is just been it despite the turnovers,

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it does look a lot more cohesive and we are

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veering back into having an identity that we knew what

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this team was and it's gotten. I think the thing

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that was so frustrating about that losing portion wasn't just

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the results obviously, but like man, I would have trouble

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tuning into games because it's just like, what is this

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team right now?

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Speaker 2: What's that like?

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Speaker 3: What are they trying to like, what are they trying

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to achieve? Who are they on the court and to

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be able to get back defensively a little bit to

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where they were and to figure out a way to

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make to sort of hobble this thing together. I think

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it just gives it a little bit more of a

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through line, and they are able to get back to

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that sort of like Clippers underdog thing. We're even under manned.

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They're able to stay close in these games. They're never

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you know, they're never completely out of it in the

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way that it felt that they were during those during

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those dark days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that Celtics game kind of gave us shade. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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those are I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, look, that's gonna happen to every team there. Knights

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like the other night, right yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Or thunder for two weeks now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or your opponent's shooting lights out or something like.

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You know, you you end up behind the eight ball.

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It's that, you know, it's a long season for a reason,

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and but but they've made noticeable steps and for a

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team that looked utterly rudderless, I think that's been the

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must the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked the straight through line. Adam brought up

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something like a week or so ago about how like

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bad teams react strongly when something like when the spike

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of badness happened.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what we were all sitting talking about,

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right Yeah, Like, that's what we were all sitting here

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talking about, right, Like, Yes, things are going bad. To

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pull the emergency cord right now, it's not guaranteeing a

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much better result when you look at the realistic options

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out there, you know, find like cleaning house from a

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staffing perspective, firing you know, your head coach and GM

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trying to hobble together some sort of trade with whatever

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you're willing to give up in salaries to match. Like,

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you know, there there's a reason that some franchises get

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into a cycle like this and just cannot get out

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of it. And I do think that it says a

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lot about the organization, even in light of certain developments

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which you're going to talk about later, that they have

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to do with the guys, that they have been able to,

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uh to figure out a pass forward, Yeah, without having

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to clean house, you know, totally.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like sometimes you just can't overreact, even when

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you're six and twenty one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's really difficult though. It's really difficult though,

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And I get it. I get it from the fans perspective.

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You know, I totally understand why everyone would want a change,

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and you know it just sometimes you got to play

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things through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go a little more uh drilled down.

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For my favorite thing over the eleven games, watching John

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Collins get comfortable within the starting lineup has been awesome.

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Speaker 1: He obviously when he first was on the team.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the reasons they talked about he

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was coming off the bench was like just learning how

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to play within the system. He'd be in the dunker

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spot sometimes when him and Zoo were on the floor together,

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like he was just getting used to what was happening.

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While the Clippers were also going through like having Bogey

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losing Bogie, having Derek Jones Junior, losing Derek Jones junior.

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It's been a lot of turnover and to see him

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like he's played some of his best basketball over these

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eleven games, Like he's shooting seventy percent, he's shooting shooting

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sixty seven percent from three, he's grabbing six boards a game.

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Like we've seen him do all the stuff that we

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wanted him to do from the start of the season.

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And I hope he's played his way into a contract

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with the Clippers. I hope this play kind of it's

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going to level out, obviously, but I hope like he

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can just ride this momentum out because it's been huge

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for the Clippers, aside from you know, James and Kawhi

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being otherworldly. To have him come in and like just

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be be as good as he has been, there's.

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Speaker 4: A good call by youth Chuck to stay steady with it.

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This is a guy that could be in the next

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air of Clippers basketball. He's young enough, and even though

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he's not playing well right now, we expect that to

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turn around. It's happened in a massive way. That is

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right behind the defense and Kawhi Leonards heater for why

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they're in this position right now. John Collins hitting everything

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from three rebounding, blocking two shots per game and playing

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very good defense. His offense has fueled his defense. You

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can see all of a sudden, that motor and the

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energy we knew he had. Now that he's comfortable, now

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that he knows where he's supposed to be out there

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at all times, he can just be instinctual. It's been

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remarkable watching him the last couple of weeks, just a

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totally different player.

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Speaker 2: I've enjoyed the spacing that they've all been able to

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play together. The starting lineup has had some good spacing together.

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Speaker 4: No idea who's at center, you know, no idea what his.

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Speaker 2: Contract looks like next because he's unrestricted after this year,

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or he's got one more. He was it twenty five?

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Does he get higher than that?

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Speaker 4: I believe it's this. This is an expiring contract. He

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opted in. Yeah to the twenty six million this year.

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Speaker 2: Check, that'll be an interesting one to keep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for what he'll want unrestricted.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, we'll cross that. Bridgeman get to it. We

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got a lot of basketball players. The standings are relevant.

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They keep becoming more relevant, which is fun. We kind

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of stopped looking at these for a while. The Clippers

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are one game back of the ten seed based on

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winning percentage. The Clippers have one of the easier schedules

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left in the league. I think it's like the third

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or fourth easiest or something like that.

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Speaker 3: They really need to take advantage of this next five

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game stretch. They played Wizards twice that they got the

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bulls in there. The Raptors, like, you know, they need

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to three and two should be the absolute floor for

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what they're aiming for over this next five game stretch

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before they take on the Lakers at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they were going to go We thought

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they might go one and two on the road trip.

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I am so happy and.

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Speaker 3: That will seem like a realistic possibility. But it's funny

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because the game that we figured that they would drop.

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Speaker 2: They didn't.

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Speaker 3: They ended up winning the backback.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, to be fair, the Pistons had four of

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their five starters out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take it.

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Speaker 4: We'll take everybody took advantage of the Clippers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's no risks on that.

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Speaker 4: You might want to look at that twenty twenty asterisk.

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Speaker 2: No, that's the Patreon app. One game back in the

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ten seed, a lot of games back in the eight seed.

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You i't think they're like six or seven games back

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in the eight seed or something like that. You want

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to be right where you want to be. Let's just

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keep marching right, like, get into that play in next stop,

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you know, the higher half of the play in.

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Speaker 4: I want that seven eighth spot anywhere in there, because

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if you end up being seventh and miss okay, see

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in the first round, then you can really start to dream,

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then you can dream big.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: The Clippers? Are you want the seventh seed?

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Speaker 4: I mean yeah, yeah, I don't want the a seed.

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I don't want to see okay see in the first round.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: As good as they've been playing, it's like, okay see

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shuts down a lot of this stuff with just their

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prim their defense and how many guys that they can

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throw at Kawhi and James Harden. It's just a bad,

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bad matchup for anyone, but definitely the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Well they have depths. Like it's just the Clippers do

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not have anymore what we thought their greatest luxury was,

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which was depth, not luxury, greatest need. Right, we thought

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we had a guy for each spot. That we have

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like a guy for every one and a half now.

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So yeah, I'm interested.

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Speaker 3: To see eight and a half games out of six.

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Speaker 2: You're saying there's a chance.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what happens in March.

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Speaker 2: A lot of basketball happens in March.

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Speaker 1: A lot of is what happened fifteen and three.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't been keeping up with Eric Bueze Clippers

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postgame drawing series, go look at them. He's at lolwtf

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Eric on Instagram and and Twitter. Chuck has a car now.

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Chuck is grinding, he's out of rehab. He has a

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car now.

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Speaker 4: Because the Clippers are rolling.

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Speaker 2: Is that yeah?

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Speaker 1: Doing great?

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Speaker 3: So getting his life back together track.

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Speaker 2: Surely this can only continue to go up Coming up,

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we're gonna talk the upcoming week, which we'll mention is

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a good chance for the Clippers to stack some dubs.

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here clips upcoming week coming up in three two?

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Speaker 3: What all right? Welcome back into Clips and Dip. We

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talked our favorite thing from the Clippers, sort of going

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nine to two of the last eleven game stretch turn

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things around, and they have an excellent opportunity to build

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on this momentum with the five game stretch against some

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I'm just gonna say, some winnable games. There's some winnable

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games and this stretch starting out at home against the Hornets.

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Charles and I will both be at this.

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Speaker 2: One as fans, credentialed people.

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Speaker 4: You guys, Scout Lamellow, Damn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I need him. I have a lot of stuff

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I needed him to sign I have a lot, a

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lot of my income is based around.

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Speaker 3: To see how he h you know, digsos holes for trees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna see his his skills with the with

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the you know, our trowel. It is Chris Dunbobblehead night.

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It's an awesome bobblehead, which is partly.

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Speaker 4: Why we're going but the dungeon Master.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Hornets beat the Jazz one hundred and fifty

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to ninety five, and some poor guy on the Jazz

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had the worst plus minus in the history of the game,

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which was minus sixty.

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Speaker 3: Incredible stuff.

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Speaker 2: Incredible stuff. Dude minus six, Like that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Had a plaque in the Hall of Fame for that.

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It's a little.

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Speaker 2: Plaque they should have, like send him his shoes. His

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shoes should be in the you know, like, yeah, something

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minus sixty is absurd.

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Speaker 3: A plaque in the bathroom or something. Does that.

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Speaker 2: They've won three of their last five. As we mentioned,

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Kawi is questionable.

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Speaker 4: They beat the thunder by twenty seven. That was remarkable.

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Speaker 2: In ok C, they're a really good three point shooting team.

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They are fifth in attempts and sixth in percentage. Like

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that's legitimately good. Like that's an issue that could come

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up against the Clips.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, the Clippers during this streak where

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they won nine to eleven all nine games, they have

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outshot those wins. All nine wins, they've outshot their opponents from.

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Speaker 2: Three interesting, Yeah, the Clippers are shooting forty one percent. Well,

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how do you feel about this?

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Speaker 3: I guess it depends a little bit on Kaui's availabilities.

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Like I said at the top, I'm assuming that he's

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going to be good to go ultimately for this one.

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I don't know. It's as like one of those games

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that could get decided sort of early. If the if

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if the Hornets are in an early rhythm, we have

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seen him like you know, we have battled back from

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that before. But if this is looking anything like that

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Celtics game early.

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Speaker 2: A three point volume perspective, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Bridges

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in Canoople are a large matchup at the three and

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four that I'm a little as much as we've loved

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John Collins his offense, it's been great. His defensive blocks

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have been good. But he's gonna have a lot He's

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gonna see a lot I think in this game because

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they're probably gonna wat Lemelow on him at some point

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and yeah, I don't know, it's it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 4: I agree with Will. Just set that tone in the

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first quarter. Make this game a honor defensively, you shut

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the water off early. Don't let them see some shots

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go through. Sprand and Miller just hit seven threes last

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time out. Uh yeah, hopefully they got it out of

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their system in Utah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, does that game even really?

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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I know it matters, but like there's

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not a lot right, Like, I don't know if it

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means anything.

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Speaker 4: When they hit threes, they beat you, they beat you bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlotte has not been fair at their top ten

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is scoring in the first quarter, they're seventh, so I

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mean they're only separated by less than a point from

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the Clips, So it is possible. Like the way the

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defense has been playing, okay, I could see them slowing

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them up.

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Speaker 4: Like Done was so good in that Pistons game. Also,

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oh my goodness, his defense to start that third quarter

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getting a couple of steals right away because they're going

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to try to get into the paint. They have these

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young quick guys with Charlotte and then Peyton Spray, so

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you got to stop them from blowing by you to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they also they take what do they take? They

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they're twenty third and two point percentage. They don't take

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threes and they don't really make or they don't take

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two's and they don't really make them either. Like they're

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bottom ten and two point attempts and percentage. So like

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trying to run them off the three would be ideal

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as well. So the scrambling is gonna have to be

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on point, which will be interesting. If Kawhi can't go, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: His defense has been good. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: If Kawhi can't go, I mean, obviously that's a huge

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issue offensively, but yeah, defensively, some concerns there.

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Speaker 4: If Kawhi can't, who would play Kobe?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't I hope not.

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Speaker 4: Have just started recently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would it be Nico.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but like Kobe could create for himself.

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Speaker 2: More, Yeah, he can't technically, Yes, you are that is correct. Well,

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I'm trying to mean that's a tough question.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Jordan's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, will who would you start? Would you start Brook Lopez?

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Finally take this team to the modern basketball?

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Speaker 3: Uh? I mean it's a tough call. You mentioned the

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size of the three and four for the Hornets, I

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think just body of work wise, I'm probably trusting Kobe Sanders.

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I'm giving him the nod h in the starting spot and.

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Speaker 4: He just he just dropped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, So you know, obviously I don't feel as

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great about it, but I think I think of my options,

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like moment wise, body of work wise, I would probably

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go with Kobe Sanders. Yeah. I like that.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like not the options are all very

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like the same level. Obviously the guys do different things,

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but it's all kind of the same threshold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think, like any of the three guys that we've mentioned,

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I think at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Of his career, Nick Mutomb is being utilized at his

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best and in the starting lineup. Obviously you know it

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can be matchup de Pendant and stuff, but like for

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the glue things that he has to do, and like

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from a usage perspective.

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Speaker 2: We need shooting off the bench.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it makes more sense to continue

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to bring off the bench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah if again, yeah if if.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and that's a really big front line if the

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Toomb's in there, neck to Collins next to Zubots against

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a team that has a lot of quickness. I don't know.

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Kobe Sanders defense is solid too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tyler is gonna be shuffling guys out again

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if Kawhi cannot go, which I don't. And he looks

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pretty good right.

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Speaker 4: Like he had. It looks like they're still trying the

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last two games to keep him under a certain amount

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of minutes. When you saw the Detroit game and he's

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he's at the scorers table, he didn't come in and

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then they bought him another forty five seconds and then

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brought him in. So something is up there that could be,

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you know, part of what happens tomorrow. He could he

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could be playing, but he's on a minister distriction that

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we don't know about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he played.

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Speaker 3: What's the call? She predictive market saying on his alive

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to call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh Well, according to Calsee, there's a fifty three

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percent chance John Harbaugh is going to be the Clippers

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next or the dolphins next head coach. So we'll see. God,

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I hate prediction markets. Wednesday versus the Wizards, they will

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not be playing Trey Young since he's hurt and they

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want to keep their top eight predict or protected pick.

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Must win against the Wizards. Yeah, I mean they're all

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must wins obviously because the team is in the spot.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, this is like a

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must win five game winning streak, like you got gotta

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get them all.

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Speaker 2: The Raptors game is see, I think will be difficult.

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They have a legitimate defense, and they could have had

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the Clippers number weirdly kind of recently, so I'm a

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little worried about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they play interesting style and their rosters a lot

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of switch ability. Still, they cook the Clippers and just

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like movement, at times, they wear you out how much

475
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,440
you have to guard.

476
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: Will you unhappy if they go anything less than three

477
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,240
and two?

478
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, that's the floor.

479
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: They've been playing good.

480
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: I'm okay with that being I need one. I mean, yeah, okay.

481
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: This is the this is the absolute. It's not fine

482
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,160
if they go if they go two and three, packing.

483
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 2: Up, cancel the rest of the season. Man, what's your

484
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,880
four out of porn one?

485
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: I think for four and one. If I was mentioning

486
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,799
the seventh seed earlier, can we get into that, so yeah,

487
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:26,880
four and one.

488
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,279
Speaker 3: I mean that would be like seven eight is a

489
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,200
huge difference from the nine ten seed, not only see

490
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
in the first round. But like having home core and

491
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:42,200
only having to get one win is I mean, it's

492
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,599
a pretty big difference.

493
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,319
Speaker 2: Pretty big diff Yeah, they dropping the Raptors game I

494
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:51,079
would be not okay with, but I can see them.

495
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,240
That's a difficult game. Fast team plays good defense. But yeah,

496
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,319
the Wizards twice, as you said, will the Hornets and

497
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:02,039
the Bulls like. Yeah, the only issue is that it's

498
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,200
at three pm local time, which I think my fuck

499
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:12,079
the Clippers up a little bit. I like if they

500
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,160
go five and oh and then they play the Lakers,

501
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,359
I feel.

502
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: Pretty good about where the team is at.

503
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,559
Speaker 2: I don't know if I feel great about the matchup

504
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:27,000
against the Lakers, but shout out Donnis Shroud by the way,

505
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,559
But I don't Adam, you have something to say on that.

506
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: No, I kind of get what he's saying. Wait, so

507
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,680
you're gonna call me a bitch on the floor and

508
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,039
then act like everything's cool off the floor.

509
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,599
Speaker 2: Really, he smacked him. There's been a bunch she'll saying.

510
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,079
He actually smacked him.

511
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: Damn, I don't know.

512
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: That's King's basketball baby.

513
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,839
Speaker 4: Showing in the West.

514
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, showing more fight off the court then on. Okay, Now,

515
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,359
that I'm looking at it. I'm on the I'm on

516
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,119
the four and one is the floor train.

517
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,319
Speaker 4: Taking five? And oh? Five and oh floor?

518
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: What's the ceiling?

519
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,079
Speaker 4: No?

520
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: How was this house constructed?

521
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: It's a fun house.

522
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: Being John Malkovich, you gotta crawl in.

523
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:27,839
Speaker 4: Yeah there, I don't know. Was there a secret tunnel

524
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,480
also constructed into a tilb to get to that five

525
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,119
and over one? Four one is acceptable?

526
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: Exceptable?

527
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shooting variants will be interesting. But seeing the

528
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:43,519
Wizards twice feels good.

529
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: I say, because they don't want to win, because.

530
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: They're actively trying not to win basketball, Like they've come

531
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,119
out and publicly stated they're doing their best to lose basically,

532
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,079
So why not give the old guys one, you know.

533
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:04,519
Speaker 3: Losing to the team that wants to lose. We can't just.

534
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: Sweep Detroit and then lose a game to Washington.

535
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we can't, Like Trey Young, can't watch his

536
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:16,640
new team beat us Like that would not feel good.

537
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: That would be pulling out hair like Trey. Yeah, I

538
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,240
love Trey.

539
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,359
Speaker 2: I was just saying, yeah, were you disappointed that he

540
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:28,279
didn't become a Clipper?

541
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: I mean, he's one of those guys we were watching

542
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,319
there's believe it or not, there's still time and it's

543
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,880
not a long term contract right now with Washington. We'll

544
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,799
see what happens there.

545
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: That's true, he's recovering from that injury. Perfect guy to

546
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,799
bring in anything else on this upcoming five game streak

547
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,519
before we talk about off court stuff.

548
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. Clippers are zero and five against Papula

549
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:03,160
Torrea apparently, I don't know.

550
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,079
Speaker 2: All right, coming up, we're gonna be talking the pablotry

551
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:10,119
stuff and then there's been some trade ideas. I guess

552
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,039
all that coming up after quick audio break in three two.

553
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: One, welcome back in clips and Dip, I'm out of Mason.

554
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,599
We got Will Updyke and Chuck Mockler here as we

555
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,480
get set for the Clippers being back home for the

556
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:29,000
next couple on Monday and Wednesday, and there's something else

557
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,720
happening that you know. The Clippers losing was really a

558
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,839
distraction from things going on off the court for a while,

559
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,799
and then, for the first time in months, the aspiration

560
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,359
situation reared its ugly head with the seventh episode done

561
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,640
by Pablo Torre about this going back four months of

562
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,319
the off season now and Chuck I think you already

563
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:57,200
spoke about it a little bit and your thoughts, maybe

564
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,559
you want to reiterate those and give us a jumping

565
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:00,000
off point.

566
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,279
Speaker 2: So the whole point of the episode was to demonstrate

567
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,039
that the Clippers and Aspiration actually did know about each

568
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:14,000
other before this Kawhi sponsorship happened, because that's what Balmer

569
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:17,720
had said, like that, that's just what the whole episode

570
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,759
was about. This one didn't feel great. Watching this one

571
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,960
didn't feel great. There's just more smoking guns. I'm not

572
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,880
saying that this means the Clippers for sure did this.

573
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,279
It just does pull the thread of like, why would

574
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,559
you say you didn't know about these people when there's

575
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,400
a tweet from twenty eighteen of Doc Rivers talking to

576
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,079
the Aspiration team, like a photo of him talking to them,

577
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,000
So that to me, I'm just like, it's frustrating from

578
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,960
the the fans are gonna get punished from this standpoint,

579
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,039
and this is just more stuff to be like to

580
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:51,519
have to throw your hands up and be like, I

581
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,359
don't know, I don't know why he bought a penthouse

582
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,960
owned by the guy who started this other financial thing.

583
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: I thought that was concerning. I also felt like the

584
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,279
other side of it was not the penthouse but the

585
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,920
doc rivers thing. The other side of it is he

586
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:15,599
not moving goalposts again now saying look, Kawhi Leonard even

587
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,119
had aspiration on his bobblehead and they asked him to

588
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,119
sign fifty basketball. It's like, wait a second, what happened

589
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,200
to the no show job? What happened to all that?

590
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:27,240
Now it's this is the evidence. Actually you have to

591
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,799
believe this. And by the way, everybody in Clipper Nation

592
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,599
knew about the bobblehead when he did the first episode. Yeah,

593
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,960
it was kind of weird, like, aha, I got this,

594
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,319
Like dude, we're way ahead of you.

595
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. What It just feels like they're doing the thing

596
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,480
where it's like here's a mountain of evidence and because

597
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,039
it's public and again, like I said, it doesn't look

598
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,799
incredibly great for the Clippers coincidentally wise, but this also

599
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,640
is just like here's a flood of evidence. Now we're

600
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,279
talking about Kawhi's penthouse stuff to kind of get you

601
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,599
to think a certain way of how Kawi operates to

602
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,559
then help the publatory argument and the investigation. Like I

603
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:06,000
don't know, well, how'd you feel about it? Did you

604
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:06,839
watch the whole thing.

605
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,039
Speaker 3: Just I just caught some highlights. Yeah again it it

606
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,440
doesn't seem great. I think Adam early on in this

607
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,720
brought up sort of like the best point that I

608
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,519
keep coming back to if you're a Clippers fan, and

609
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,720
that's like the way that Aspiration operated as a company

610
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,559
sort of throws all bets outside of the window. You know,

611
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,559
you have two high level members that have already pleaded

612
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:38,079
guilty to fraud. Like it's you know, it's just it

613
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,480
isn't a regular company. It isn't a regular situation. And

614
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,799
I think that that could cut either way, Like that

615
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,720
could shield the Clippers from impropriety, or if there was impropriety,

616
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,880
this is a wild enough card that it would kind

617
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,160
of leave you exposed if you had hoped to do

618
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,039
something clandestine. Does that make sense?

619
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Like I feel like really you're solo that like yeah, yeah, yeah.

620
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it you know, it's not it's just not

621
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,440
a normal situation. But again, this isn't a core of law.

622
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:11,199
You know, there's not gonna be depositions in this like that.

623
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,280
You know that, like this is going to come down

624
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,599
to a judgment call from Silver essentially, I mean, and

625
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,400
and how that all works.

626
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: Out well, and the other part of this was so

627
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,800
they went they had a meeting with the lawyers who

628
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,639
were doing the investigation. That whole meeting was confidential, so

629
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,760
instead he just like showed the evidence that he brought

630
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,719
to the meeting, and his lawyer was like, when we

631
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,360
showed them the evidence, I could tell that they were like,

632
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,719
you know that they had not seen stuff like this

633
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,280
yet or something, is what he was kind of putting

634
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,000
out there. So it was like, yeah, just just frustrating.

635
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,960
The company was poorly run. It feels weird. It does

636
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,360
seem like Balmer knew them before this Again, just literally

637
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Doc Rivers talking to the team leads me to like,

638
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,719
it's hard for me to not trust my eyes on

639
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,639
that one. But it doesn't mean that they gave Kawhi

640
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,119
fifty extra million dollars or whatever. It's just like more, Yeah,

641
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,559
I just felt exhausting. I guess to listen to it

642
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,639
again from the fan perspective, which I'm sure is not

643
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,519
a unique.

644
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:20,519
Speaker 4: One, especially, yeah, it's it's really frustrating and you hate

645
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:26,280
to see this and the reminder of this in the

646
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,320
backdrop of this season and the Clippers still being fifteen

647
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,239
and twenty three right now, and the All Star Games coming,

648
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,599
and what's going to happen? This is looming over everything.

649
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Is there going to be a ruling at some point

650
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,719
here soon? Who knows. I just do think it's a

651
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,000
little bit curious that Pablo started with it's twenty eight

652
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,119
million dollars. Oh wait, now he got twenty more million

653
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,519
dollars in stock options. Oh and Steve Bomber put in

654
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,800
you put in fifty, so that's way too close to

655
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,599
be a coincidence. And then he found out, oh Obama

656
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:59,960
put in more money. So now the money doesn't add

657
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:01,719
up that you were saying it was too much to

658
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,280
be a coincidence, but no, this is still hard proof.

659
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,280
And then we go from it's a no show job,

660
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,960
what has Kauai even doing to now saying, well, we

661
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:14,119
got the aspiration, we got him signing basketball, So what

662
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,599
happened to its proof that he didn't do anything in

663
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,039
this episode when now you're saying he has done stuff

664
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:25,519
for them. It just seems like anything he finds he

665
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,599
can spin his way to say, now this is proof, yes,

666
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,719
and it has Yeah, but it still doesn't look good

667
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,440
and it doesn't mean the Clippers are off the hook.

668
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,800
And we'll see what happens. I'm rooting for the truth

669
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,000
to come out.

670
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: Well do you plead the fifth?

671
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Now, I mean, look, you know it sucks, but

672
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,719
it you know, like if league guidelines and league rules

673
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,599
were knowingly circumvented, I gotta say, I mean, like, you know,

674
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,719
if this was another team, maybe specific typically won't even

675
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,079
across the hall. I would hope that, you know, I

676
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,360
would hope that you know there, Yeah, their status or

677
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,239
relevancy or anything else wouldn't come into play. That Like,

678
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,800
if if Lee rules were circumvented, they would be punished.

679
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,119
And I you know, like it's got to be the same.

680
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,639
It's got to be the same for the Clippers. And

681
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,400
that sucks. Uh if you know, if if, if it

682
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,159
is found that they engage in impropriety. But I guess

683
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,119
we'll just have to see. Like it's that's the thing

684
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:29,639
that sucks.

685
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: I no timeline either, no idea when the when the

686
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:34,880
ruling is gonna happen, but we will have the coverage

687
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,679
for you when it does.

688
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:40,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, does the does the sheer amount of stuff and

689
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,320
the amount of time right? Because the NBA came out

690
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,960
pretty early on and said that they weren't going to

691
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,400
make a ruling before they also breaking. Does the length

692
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,159
of time help or earth clippers? Do you think in

693
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:50,840
this whole.

694
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Thing, I think the lawyers are going to take as

695
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,880
long as they wanted to. Anyway, it doesn't make me

696
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,039
feel any better, right.

697
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 4: I killed. I still can't stop thinking about how I

698
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,440
know a lot of people it's been misconstrued that this

699
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,920
is how they got Kawhi. I hear this from lakers Point,

700
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,559
this is how they got him in twenty nineteen c

701
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,719
cc no. Pablo was saying, this is how they got

702
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,400
him on the extension after each for his ACL in

703
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,920
twenty twenty one. And I still just have a hard

704
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,239
time believing they needed to go above and beyond the

705
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,880
max that the maximum they gave him to get him

706
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,079
to resign after tearing his ACL in the playoffs? Does

707
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:44,079
that really make a lot of sense? I And then

708
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,079
maybe they would say, well, no, this was the plan

709
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,280
all along, and it was especially because they had this

710
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,159
relationship with Aspiration. But I don't know, it just doesn't

711
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,280
It doesn't seem that rational to me. It doesn't seem

712
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,880
that likely they would have to do that.

713
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: Right, like, in four years, give me an extra fifty

714
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,320
million dollars. I mean, I would like.

715
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: It well, and wouldn't there be a much cleaner way

716
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,280
to do it if you're going to do something like that, right, like, oh,

717
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,360
and now another guy's putting money in and siphoning it

718
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,119
through during this time. It just seems so I.

719
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,199
Speaker 3: Don't know, and then people would implicate themselves in it,

720
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,519
like I don't know. We'll see what happened. Lawyer, I'm

721
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:28,800
not a lawyer, but this is also not going to

722
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,280
be in a court, so it doesn't really matter.

723
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,159
Speaker 2: So we kind of are lawyers in a very real sense,

724
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,199
and for a case that is not going to see a.

725
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: Court of law, we are borderline lawyers.

726
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: Order happened there?

727
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:46,679
Speaker 1: We're kissing the bar.

728
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: Do you think if you added the bar scores of

729
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,199
the three of us we could pass of the bar

730
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,800
no of the three of us? If that would equal

731
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,719
one passable? Dude?

732
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. The California bar isn't it like the

733
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,320
second hardest in the US?

734
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think we can do it.

735
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: I don't think we could either.

736
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,119
Speaker 1: I mean, Kim Kardashian can't do it, and she's using

737
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:16,920
chat GPT. What's the hope for us. All right, then

738
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,639
the last thing John Morant is available for trade.

739
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want any part of John

740
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,679
Morant on the Clippers, But I don't even think the

741
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,239
Clippers can get Ja Morant, right, Like.

742
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: His contract goes past twenty twenty seven, So he's not

743
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,800
one of those guys that you could just take a

744
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,639
rental on for a year like Trey. It would be

745
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,559
you're committing to this guy and him cal calf.

746
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,639
Speaker 2: Space two more years after this year.

747
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's after the summer of twenty twenty seven

748
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,599
when the Clippers are gonna have all that cap space. Well,

749
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,719
they wouldn't have as much of John Morants on the book,

750
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,000
so it doesn't seem like it seems like a non

751
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,639
starter to me. And just he's getting to the rim

752
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:06,519
twenty percent less of the time than he was his

753
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,199
rookie season. It's something's up.

754
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,639
Speaker 3: And playing about twenty percent of the time, right, Like

755
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,639
it's another situation of like the team seems to be

756
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,239
kind of better without him and he's not available that often.

757
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,119
And we talked about these sort of like you know,

758
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,039
quote unquote like negative assets in you know, Morant and

759
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:32,159
Ball and Young and Young was the most appealing, surely

760
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,039
because you know, there's not a lot of years left

761
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,360
that changes, you know, obviously, because you're gonna have to

762
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,360
resign him. Unless it was you know, just a shallery

763
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:43,400
like a salary shehtting move where you didn't have to

764
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,360
give up any like major assets. So I don't see it.

765
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,320
I don't see it. I do. I'm curious what the

766
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,639
demand is. It seems like the demand might be a

767
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,239
little higher than Trey.

768
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,559
Speaker 2: Some people said it was just going to be matching

769
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,119
salary like that was kind of like it, but like,

770
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,159
we never know what this is going to be.

771
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: I don't think, yeah.

772
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to get much. I think

773
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,039
it's going to be in the realm of what happened

774
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:10,280
with Trey, honestly.

775
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:12,559
Speaker 3: I mean that would make the lost sense.

776
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:19,639
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, so somebody is going to convince themselves that

777
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,159
the price is so low we might as well risk it.

778
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: But it's funny because the price is low in relation

779
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,000
to him, but then we have to come up with

780
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,920
forty million dollars to ship out, yeah, from the Clippers,

781
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,639
which is John Collins and Bogie.

782
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: It's what what is left on his deal, Like one

783
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
hundred and fifty million dollars, one hundred and sixty million dollars.

784
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,039
It goes up every year, right.

785
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: He's got what it's thirty nine this year, forty two

786
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,079
a year after that, and then the final year is

787
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:49,679
forty four point eight.

788
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so a little bit.

789
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: I think the only guy with the de escalating contract

790
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,039
is Kuzma. Yeah, like literally in the I don't know

791
00:42:59,039 --> 00:42:59,800
how that happens.

792
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: Who had who? The Clippers had someone on the D escalator,

793
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,760
A couple who was that? We had a guy on

794
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,159
the D escalator I can't remember anyway.

795
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Bobby yeah bus.

796
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the Clippers would trade John Collins and

797
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:18,679
Bogie for.

798
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 4: Jahn Morant, Like I wouldn't do that.

799
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: That seems like a nightmare.

800
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: I'm not giving up I wouldn't give up John Collins.

801
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,559
Speaker 2: We're losing that depth and like, so what are we.

802
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 3: Talking about sense for from a fit perspective at all?

803
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: And you're not chipping James A. Memphis Well.

804
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: I asked law about this the other day and he said, like,

805
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,880
the only people that want John or that want John Moran,

806
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,559
or people who don't watch John Moran, Like it's just

807
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,039
total casual stuff. It's just he's a big name.

808
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing. That was the only reason

809
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,760
I thought maybe his demand would be higher because he

810
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,719
does have a high selling shoe. Like he is a

811
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,199
guy who, from an organizational perspective, if you're looking to

812
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,000
sell tickets, could theoretically site you some tickets.

813
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: As you mentioned, not only is he hurt off the

814
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,960
court issues that we've seen contracts going up, his explosiveness,

815
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,519
which is the draw of him, seems to be rapidly

816
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:19,440
decreasing even though he's only twenty six, right, what is

817
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,039
the upside? Like, I don't know how he's a winning

818
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,760
player or positive net positive out there on the court.

819
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,880
His shot has never improved, and he's losing his superpower

820
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,800
which was rim attack and just wreaking havoc.

821
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,639
Speaker 2: It's worse, Russ.

822
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, especially with the contract.

823
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,559
Speaker 1: Right, like, with everything into it, it's like, well I

824
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:42,159
don't want that.

825
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

826
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Again, obviously I'm like John Collins on this team, So

827
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,320
it's like, why would we even give up a guy

828
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
who could be on the team, because again, no one

829
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,400
is on the roster for twenty seven to twenty eight.

830
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
It's Zoo and Yannick that's who's holding it down right

831
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,400
now and the Clippers U twenty.

832
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: Honest or Yannick Sorry I couldn't hear it.

833
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: Well, the real Greek freak. So like, filling that out with.

834
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: Depth guys, to me is a lot more important than

835
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,360
if we were to bring Jahn Morant in to be

836
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,880
the centerpiece of the twenty seven twenty eight and on

837
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:24,079
Clippers like talk about same old clips right Like, if

838
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:25,679
it was like, oh, Jahn Morant's going to be the

839
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,920
centerpiece for this new era.

840
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: What they're gonna do is, I think most likely is

841
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,239
they're only going like they're not going to take any

842
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,039
risks on guys that have huge contracts. If they strike

843
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,159
out with some of the big guys that they're after,

844
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,760
they're not going to say, well, we'll settle for this

845
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
guy instead. No, they're not going to do that. They're

846
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,039
going to bring in quality guys that are on shorter

847
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,039
deals that don't have the high end talent, and then

848
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,639
just something to keep the opportunity open for the next

849
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,519
big guy to come in. Like they're not going to settle.

850
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,559
I don't think, Well.

851
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: You gotta think about it. You know, Kobe Sanders is

852
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,840
gonna need a max.

853
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 4: At some point you gotta pay these young stads you got.

854
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: You gotta pay them anything else on the trade scuttle.

855
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,599
But there was something too about like the this one

856
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,079
guy from Clutch Points keeps coming up as some kind

857
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:26,679
of source for things from aggregators for some reason. It's

858
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:30,079
not Yeah, b s. Eagel is like all of a

859
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:36,199
sudden the new woes for the Aggregators. But apparently it's

860
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,519
like the Celtics are.

861
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Interested in Zoo, but we don't like with Clippers rumors.

862
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:44,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, by confirmed that.

863
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,519
Speaker 2: So what what.

864
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: I bet there's a lot of guys interested in Zoo.

865
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: What do we think of the zoo.

866
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: Bots take another first round pick coming from a team

867
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,519
like Boston, because like if you're getting to first, but

868
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:00,360
you're getting it from one of the top ten, so

869
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,079
they're gonna be at the very end of the first round. No,

870
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,159
that would have to be three first from them.

871
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the offer was Anthony Simon's two first and

872
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,960
a young wing for Zubos.

873
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: Young I am I am a Simon.

874
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:21,679
Speaker 2: Named Jason Tatum.

875
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: No, yeah, Will's a Simon's guy too. But if we're

876
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,320
trading Zoo.

877
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: The seat, like I know, people love Brook Lopez and Yonick,

878
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,199
But like the season is drastically different if that's our

879
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,920
center core.

880
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,519
Speaker 4: The Clippers that they have really no pressure on them

881
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,800
to have to move Zoo soon because it's not like

882
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,400
he's on an expiring contract or anything like that. He's

883
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,199
on a good contract. There's still a couple more years

884
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,679
left on it. They can hold out for the best

885
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,360
offer and see how desperate teams get for front court

886
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,440
help if they even are going to entertain it.

887
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 2: And do people people forget that Zoo is twenty eight?

888
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:03,519
Speaker 4: They do?

889
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: Do we think that happens?

890
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: Is that?

891
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,639
Speaker 2: Like genuinely, I sometimes forget that he's only twenty eight.

892
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:09,559
He's been in the league for.

893
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,199
Speaker 3: Sex almost like seven Adams effect, where it's like it

894
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,199
feels like they've been in the league forever ten years.

895
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think people forget he's twenty.

896
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: Yeah that Moon didn't forget. When they beat the Warriors recently,

897
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,159
he showed Loot a Zoo love postgame. It was like,

898
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,599
I like going up against these good young centers because

899
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:32,639
now I'm on the older side and it's a good

900
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:33,320
measuring stike.

901
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: There we go. That being said, if they trade Zoo,

902
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,639
let's hope it's for more than that. And if they

903
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:40,320
trade Zoo, I think it's a signal that they have

904
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:43,599
a trade for either Choir Harden figured out, because I

905
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,079
don't know how hyped they would be to play without

906
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:49,800
a starting Yes, Lopez is good, I'm not, you know,

907
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,639
but like the ceiling is different if Zoo is not

908
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,840
on the team at all.

909
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you said earlier, it's okay to have both

910
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,239
these guys. Now, some people want more Yanic and that's

911
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:09,039
difficult to facilitate right now. But I don't think you know,

912
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,599
Yannick isn't in that Kobe Sanders place as a young player.

913
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,360
He's not. He needs more seasoning. And it's okay. But

914
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,039
if they do have a complete selloff, then yeah, it's

915
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:23,119
it's gonna be a domino effect. If they trade one guy,

916
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:27,559
it's going to turn into likely moving everybody. But there's

917
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,599
still there's that's still really difficult. James Harden has basically

918
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,000
a no trade cause Kawhi Leonard, how much are you

919
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:39,119
getting for him? Right? I think this is all the

920
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,480
stuff that the Clippers weighed coming into the season, which

921
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:43,800
is why they're still We're trying to reload and make

922
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,840
the team better. Because the likelihood that it would turn

923
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,159
into a massive sell off was would be low because

924
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,000
of just how difficult it is to facilitate all that.

925
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,199
Speaker 2: And well, you're on the keep CP three train right.

926
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:04,039
Speaker 3: Yeah with the team. We're just redo Halloween. Everybody shows

927
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:04,400
up this.

928
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: Time Halloween two. All right, that wraps things up.

929
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: We're going to be back on Thursday with an episode

930
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,039
for everybody. Let's hope the clips are marching towards five

931
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,840
and zero will Where can people share their thoughts about

932
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this little program that we put together.

933
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938
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939
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941
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942
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943
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Speaker 2: We very much do. Say what's up If you see

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any of us at the game tomorrow, at into it Dome,

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adam one positive thing to start these wonderful Clippers fans

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weeks off with.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're backing into a dome and they've been

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pretty dominant there as of late. I think they have

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won one, two, five, six seven, Like we're talking like

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seven of their last eight games there. The only loss

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was that crazy Boston scoring output from Jalen Brown, who

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was pissed off not getting Player of the Month in

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the East that happened. He would have got the Dream

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Team that night, like it wouldn't matter who was playing

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him there.

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Speaker 2: It is make some noise, excited to see the wall

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in effect. Thank you for hanging out and as always,

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let's go Clips.