1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,839 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, This is Christina and Carmen and this is 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,400 another episode of a Booky Tells, a podcast for all 3 00:00:11,439 --> 00:00:15,480 things as Spooky, Haunted Places, myths, legends, and true crime 4 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,079 in Latin America. And it is still March, and I 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,000 think it's still going to be March when this episode 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,760 comes out. Yeah, and every March we try to cover 7 00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:30,320 femicides that we feel everyone should know about because it's 8 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,320 Women's History month and also the eighth of March is 9 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:37,359 when women in Latin America go out in March for 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,560 women's rights. And so yeah, we do that every March. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,000 And this is the last episode where we're doing only 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,039 a femicide case. And we don't have a listener story 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,000 for these episodes. But if you have a story that 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,759 you want to send to us, you can email Uspookyitees 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,079 at gmail dot com, send it via DM you can 16 00:00:57,159 --> 00:00:58,799 leave it as a comment, you can call you a 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Spooky hotline. There's so many ways to get us for 18 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,760 stories and we love receiving them. Today, I am telling 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:13,000 you about a double femicide that changed Chile's law. Gabriela 20 00:01:13,079 --> 00:01:16,359 Alcaino Donoso was born on the seventeenth of May two 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,439 one in Santiago, Chile. Her parents were Carolina Donoso Campos 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,120 and Fabian Alcaino. She was their first kid and the 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,359 first grandchild in the family. Special. Yes, she became La 24 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:35,400 Concentia de todos, the everyone's favorite, A spoiled one, but 25 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:39,640 like spoiled with love. Yeah, especially her Grandpa Carlos and 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,000 her Theo Rodrigo. They loved her so much. As a child, 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,560 she was described as always happy, sweet kind, but also 28 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:53,159 a little shy, but she got along with everyone. Her 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,920 parents sput up when she was five and her father 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,319 married remarried a woman named Catlina Veas. I went on 31 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:03,319 to have two kids, but they growl parented well with 32 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:06,239 Gabriela's mom and by all accounts, they were still there. 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,599 He was still there for Gabriela, because you know, sometimes 34 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:11,400 there's a what they start a new family and they 35 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:15,560 leave completely their their old family behind. Yeah, yeah, this 36 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:20,960 was not the case here. She loved her siblings. Despite 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,800 the divorce and the two separate households, she remade her 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,240 happy selves. This all changed when she turned fifteen and 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,159 began dating Fabian Casa and I will refer to him 40 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:37,240 by Gassett is not Fabian, because then I think we 41 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,080 would confusing with his dad with her dad. Oh wait, 42 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,159 I didn't realize his name was Fabian too. Whoops. Yeah, 43 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:46,960 the dad's name is Fabian as well. So he will 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,520 be Gassidis from now on, okay. And so he went 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,960 to the same school. He was only one year older 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,280 than her. He seemed like a normal teen, calm and 47 00:02:56,319 --> 00:02:59,719 from a good family. Everyone said his parents were good people, 48 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:06,800 raising their kids well, and the relationship was normal. But 49 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:13,719 after a few weeks things changed. Gassttes became controlling and 50 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,080 started telling her who she could or could not be 51 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:19,240 friends with, and then he began to alienate her from 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,000 her friends. Gabriela Stio tried to get her to introduce 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Gassides to him, but this never happened. She would like 54 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:30,319 make up an excuse out to excuse her dad. Fabian 55 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,000 did get a chance to talk to casside Is and 56 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:37,479 asked him to be like good to her, right to 57 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,159 take care of Gabriela, to be a responsible boyfriend, and 58 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,479 Gassidez said he would respect her and that it would 59 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:50,479 be a quote lovely courtship. But that's not what happened. 60 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:55,159 He continued to alienate her from her friends. He wanted 61 00:03:55,199 --> 00:03:57,199 to know who she was with at all times and 62 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,000 where she was at all times. He demanded she answered 63 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,759 every single phone call of his every text right away. 64 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:06,400 When she didn't do those things, he became very mean 65 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:11,639 and even violent at some points. She then became quiet, reserved, 66 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,720 and withdrawn, and she kept his behavior to herself, but 67 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:20,319 her family could tell that something was wrong. She tried 68 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,120 to leave him a few times but couldn't. Then, one 69 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:28,040 year until the relationship, Cassides was accused of abusing two 70 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,879 girls during a school dance, and although the case never 71 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,759 went to court, he was expelled from school, and it 72 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,279 was thanks to this explosion that Gabriela was able to 73 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:43,480 get away from him. She didn't see him at school anymore, 74 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,240 so it was easier to finally end things for good, 75 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:52,040 except when he began to follow her, even showing up 76 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:59,920 at her house unannounced. Some months went by like this, 77 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,000 and he seemed to finally have gotten the hint and 78 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:05,319 left her alone, and she was getting back to her 79 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,600 normal self, even studying for university exams, and then he reappeared. 80 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:13,560 How much time passed? Do you know? I just read 81 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,120 a few months? Oh? Okay? After this this is how 82 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,160 things were. He would show up, follow her, not leave 83 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:22,480 her alone, then disappear and then just do the same 84 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,160 thing all over again. Oh wow. So basically she didn't 85 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,839 know when he was going to pop up. Yeah, but 86 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:32,959 by this point Gabriela had so much going on that 87 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,120 she wasn't paying attention to him anymore. Her stepmother had 88 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,399 just been murdered by her neighbor, who was a hair silist, 89 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,199 a Dominican hair stilust in chilem. They had gotten into 90 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,120 an argument and he murdered her. And so now her 91 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,000 father obviously is distraught and now raising Gabriela's two siblings 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,879 on his own, and Gabriel and her mom were there 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,279 for him, supported him in every way that they could, 94 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:06,920 And so she was going through this and then Casserees reappeared. 95 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,360 He started stalking her again. He would show up wherever 96 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:14,000 she was. He pretended to run into her, but then 97 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,199 he started jumping the fence into her yard again like escalating. Yes, 98 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:22,360 she sent a message like a voice message to her 99 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:25,519 friends telling them that she was so tired of his 100 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,000 abuse and that she would now let him place another 101 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,959 hand on her. And she was just tired of this 102 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,480 and so now she started going straight from school to 103 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,839 her mom's work, and she stayed there after school and 104 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,360 to her mom was done working, then they would walk 105 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:42,879 home together. She was always with at least one friend, 106 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,680 never alone, so that he wouldn't find her by herself. 107 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,319 And by now we're in the middle of twenty eighteen, 108 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,920 she just has a few months left to finish her studies. 109 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,600 She was planning to become a journalist, just like her 110 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:02,560 Theo Rodrigo. She had plans and that unfortunately never came 111 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:08,800 to fruition. On June tenth, twenty eighteen, Gabriella's dad, Fabian, 112 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:13,279 dropped her off to take her university selection test and 113 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:15,439 when she was done, he picked her up. They chatted 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,279 about her future. Gabriela told him she wanted to finish 115 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,720 university and make a decent enough living to help her 116 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,920 mom out. Later that same day, the family reunited again 117 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,720 along with another thirty family members to celebrate her grandpa's 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,639 eighty first birthday. She played with her cousins, talked, eight dance, 119 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,560 had a good time. At some point during this party, 120 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:43,639 her Theo Rodrigo went and asked her how she was doing, 121 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,160 and she told them surviving and this answer worried him. 122 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,079 He was like, what do you mean surviving girl? Yeah, 123 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,800 He's like, you should be living like the best times 124 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,279 of your life right now exactly. And when he showed 125 00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:58,279 concern over her answer, she was like, I'll explain everything 126 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:02,759 another time. And so then the party came to an end. 127 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:06,240 Gabriela and her mom said bye to everyone, and her 128 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,720 dad told Gabriela that she was quote loke mas amo 129 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,120 and labidam. Oh, you are what I love most in life. 130 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,680 And he didn't know it, but those would be the 131 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,000 last words he would say to her. Oh my god. Yeah. 132 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,920 The next morning, at four am, Gasaidz left his house 133 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,440 with a knife hidden in his clothes. He walked to 134 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Gabriela's house and jumped the fence into the yard. That's 135 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:40,320 when Carolina, Gabriela's mom opened the door to see what 136 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:43,440 the noise was that she heard. The moment she opened 137 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,720 the door, he was there and he immediately stamped her 138 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:54,279 thirty one times, Oh my god, thirty one times. Then 139 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,759 he went into the house looking for Gabriela. She had 140 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:00,639 heard her mom screams as it was happening, and so 141 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,759 she ran to call emergency services. And she was four 142 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:08,759 minutes into her call with emergency services. But he found 143 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:11,799 her and took the phone, and so I don't I 144 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,559 couldn't find like a copy of this call. I'm wondering 145 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,440 why in that moment, like, well, you'll see, okay. So 146 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,720 he took the phone, hung up, and he then sexually 147 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,399 assaulted her and then stamped her. Oh my god. Then 148 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,720 he dragged her to the kitchen. He did the same 149 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:34,519 with her mom. He left them there. He walked to 150 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:39,039 their bathroom, washed the blood off himself, attempted to wash 151 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,480 his shoes as well, like clean them, and then he 152 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:45,360 went back home. He even posted a selfie of himself 153 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,279 on Instagram that day with his guitar. I just don't 154 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,919 know how someone just goes on like after doing such 155 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:57,879 a horrible thing. But you have to be obviously unstable, 156 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,679 un well, violent, not care about people to do something 157 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,679 like that in the first place. Next that people. But 158 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,919 I guess I should say women be a woman. I 159 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,120 was gonna say, you have to view women as objects 160 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:12,200 objects to have to be able to do this and 161 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,320 then just go about your day. Yeah, post himself, he's 162 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,720 on Instagram. Wow, that day went by at there on 163 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:27,480 the morning of the twelfth of June, Gabriela Stillo received 164 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,799 a message when he was at work and it was 165 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,519 a woman named Marcella who was a coworker of Carolinas, 166 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,120 and Carolina again is Gabriela's mom, and she was worried 167 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,679 because Carolina never missed the day of work. So then 168 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,879 Rodrigo called Fabian, who didn't know anything, like, oh, I 169 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:48,840 I don't know why she's not at work, but he 170 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,039 also found it strange, and he found it even stranger 171 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,000 that Gabriela had not sent a happy birthday message to 172 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,399 one of her younger brothers. That was also weird, and 173 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,080 so then they called Gabriela school to see if she 174 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:06,480 was there, but the school didn't answer, So then Fabian 175 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:10,120 tried to call both Gabriela and Carolina, but neither answered. 176 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,480 He finally got hold of the school and learned that 177 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:17,960 she hadn't made it to school yet, and so he 178 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,559 continued trying to reach them as he drove over to 179 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,399 their house, and as he was driving, he was like 180 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:26,000 telling himself, like, please let the car not be there, 181 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:29,720 because that means that they just went somewhere. Please let 182 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,840 the car not be there. But then he oh, I 183 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:34,519 can't imagine how he found that feeling. Right, he pulled 184 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,360 up and he saw the car there, and he was like, 185 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,039 oh my god, something has to be wrong. Yeah, and 186 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,159 he had a pair of keys to the house, but 187 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,720 he was afraid to go inside because he saw the 188 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:49,559 car there. And he was like, this means like something 189 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,840 horrible has to have happened. Yeah, And so he called 190 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,159 his brother and he's like, look, I have the keys, 191 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,120 but I don't know what to do. I don't want 192 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:00,320 to go in, like I'm scared of what I'm going 193 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:03,360 to see. But as he was talking to his brother 194 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:06,960 Rodrigo about this, a neighbor walked up to them and 195 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 she's like, hey, walked up to him and she's like, hey, 196 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:11,039 I don't want to worry you, but I heard some 197 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:15,039 screaming very early in the morning. I didn't think much 198 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,200 of it. I thought it was just a fight, especially 199 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,480 because the screaming was over in just a few minutes. 200 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,279 And then she left, and then he was like, oh 201 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,879 my god, like it even worse, Yes, exactly. This made 202 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:29,399 him even more nervous. So then he called the police, 203 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:34,759 who took over forty minutes to get there. Finally around 204 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,799 ten fifty in the morning. The police got there, and 205 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,639 as soon as I got there, he was like, Hey, 206 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:45,200 I'm five yen. This is like my daughter in her 207 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,720 mom's house. I have keys to the house, but I 208 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:50,080 haven't gone in because I'm scared. Oh. Five b Young 209 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,279 got there too. Five Young has been there the whole time. 210 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,399 The neighbor went up to Oh, I thought it was 211 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:57,000 the uncle. Oh no, he was on the phone with 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,480 the uncle. Oh. Yeah, yeah, he was on the phone 213 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,600 with the uncle. I thought the uncle the whole time 214 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:06,480 was the one that was going over there, that he 215 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,200 had the key, and that he called had the key. Well, 216 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,879 they both called the school at different points, and then 217 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:17,399 on the way there, Fabian called kept calling the both 218 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:19,559 of them. Oh, and as he was pulling up, he 219 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,600 saw the car in the driveway, and so then he 220 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:25,399 called Rodrigo, his brother, and Rodrigo's uncle. Okay, wow, yeah, 221 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:28,279 if you're confused, maybe someone else is, so it's better 222 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,960 to yeah, explain everything again. So, yes, it took the 223 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,279 police forty minutes to get there. Once they got there, 224 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,639 Fabian was there and he was like, I have keys 225 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,840 to the house, but I haven't gone in. They opened 226 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,039 the door and upon opening the door. The cops went 227 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,519 at first, and one of the cops yet to the 228 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:50,240 other like get an ambulance, But then the other woman 229 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:52,639 said there was no point because they had been dead 230 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,200 for at least twenty four hours. And so what I 231 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,159 was wondering earlier is that she was on the phone 232 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:05,840 with the police, yeah, for four minutes. Why had any 233 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,600 gone the call? It seems like the call ended abruptly, right, 234 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,360 and they presumably heard him coming in or her responding 235 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,279 to some intruder, right, because he hung up the phone. Yeah, 236 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,159 I was wondering that the whole time, and I just 237 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:22,440 didn't like cut you off because I feel like when 238 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,360 you said you're wondering, I'm like, oh, you're probably wondering 239 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:27,759 the same thing that I am. Like, they didn't try 240 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:33,000 calling back, they didn't send an officer to find out 241 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:36,919 what's going on. Yeah, Yeah, they could have been found 242 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,679 so much sooner, he knows, maybe even still alive, Like 243 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,639 I don't know, but yeah, this because when he went 244 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:49,679 in there, it was four am on the eleventh, and 245 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,200 when they were found, it's ten fifty on the twelfth. Yeah, 246 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,320 so yeah, Fabian saw his daughter and ex wife. Also, 247 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,799 I just can't. I I can't believe like that that happened. 248 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:13,279 And he had also just lost his own wife, wife 249 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:21,840 to another femicide, because it was a neighbor that killed her. Yeah. Also, 250 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,559 the whole time that he the cops are going in, 251 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,919 the cops are yelling for ambulance. The other cops like, 252 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,799 we don't need an ambulance. They've been dead. The whole time, 253 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,600 he's on the phone with Rodrigo. Oh my god. And 254 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,559 so finally between sobs, he tells his brother what's going on, 255 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,960 what he's seeing, and so then more police arrived, along 256 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,720 with neighbors like trying to see what's going on, and 257 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,559 also cops, sorry not cops, and also Rodrigo. He left 258 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:51,080 work and he went to go bet with his brother. 259 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,399 When Rodrigo arrived, he saw Fabian being interrogated by the cops. 260 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:01,639 Fabian was in the back of a cop car, and 261 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:04,639 I think he thought he was just going down to 262 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:08,440 the station too. He didn't realize he was a suspect exactly, 263 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:10,600 because he was just in the back of the cop car. 264 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:12,200 And then he tried to get out to go to 265 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,759 the bathroom, and he realized he was locked in, and 266 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:18,240 he couldn't get out. Oh my god, I just I 267 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:23,879 have so much I don't know sadness for what he experienced. 268 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:29,879 It's like this horrible loss, right, because losing someone is always, 269 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,440 you know, sad, right, but then in this violent manner, Yeah, exactly, 270 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,559 it's like even worse. And then he had jos lost 271 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,799 his wife and now the mother of his other child 272 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,039 than his child, and then he doesn't even know he's 273 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,200 a suspect. Right at this point that he couldn't get out, 274 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,200 he began to think, oh my god, they think it 275 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,879 was me, but he knew it wasn't him. He started 276 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,519 slamming on the window, and finally a cop came, and 277 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,519 that cop told him he wasn't allowed to get out, 278 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,759 and then and he continued slimming on the window, and 279 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:05,599 so then another cop came, like that cop supervisor, and 280 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,599 so he was like, what's going on? And so then 281 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,000 they began to interrogate him again. They were like, well, 282 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:13,160 if you had keys the house, way you go inside, 283 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,200 that was suspicious, and he's like, I already told you, guys, 284 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,400 I was scared. Eventually they let him go use the bathroom, 285 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,400 but under the supervision of a different officer. Oh my god, 286 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:28,359 and then they continued their interrogation of Fabian. They could 287 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,000 not fathom that, like someone else did this to them, 288 00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:35,279 it was him until a friend and neighbor of Gabrielas 289 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,279 walked up to the police, like what's happening, and then 290 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:41,599 he told them like, oh, well, it must have been 291 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,599 Gabriela's ex boyfriend. And this friend told the police that 292 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,480 he had overheard gasid Is yelling if you can't be mine, 293 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:53,400 you can't be anyone's recently, and so this is when 294 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,599 the police drove over to well, they went over to 295 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,079 Fabian and asked if he knew the ex boyfriend's address, 296 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,720 and then they they drove over to the house with 297 00:18:01,759 --> 00:18:04,039 Fabian still in the back of the car, not able 298 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,720 to get out, and then they were like, yeah, now 299 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:09,799 we think it was him because we talked to her friends, 300 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,640 so you can go. You're not a suspect anymore. But 301 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,200 they just like left him at the house without like 302 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:18,880 they could have told him this before. Why did they 303 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,519 take him over there. They could just let him out 304 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:22,200 before they went over there. Right now he has to 305 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,079 call or they go ask him to come him up 306 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,400 to go back to his car, when they could have 307 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,720 said this to him where they already were. Yes, exactly. 308 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,599 He could have just given him the address, right, but 309 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,359 I guess they wanted to make sure. I don't know, 310 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:35,920 it's oh maybe he didn't. You only knew how to 311 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,200 get there and didn't know the address. I would hope, 312 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:40,359 I would hope. Yeah, that's gonna make the better because 313 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,519 there's some places like that, you know, that's true, where 314 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:43,920 you're like, I don't know, but I know how to 315 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,519 get there. Yeah, true, true. So yeah, they finally let 316 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,799 him go. They said he was in a suspect so 317 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:53,759 when they entered Cassidy's house, he wasn't there. And now 318 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,400 they were like, all right, this is probably our guy. 319 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,200 They also talked to her friends. These friends told them 320 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,559 about the voice messages she had recently sent them about 321 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,880 how she was tired of him and his abuse and 322 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,200 him following her stocking her, and that he had previously 323 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,359 been physically abusive as well, because she said like, I'm 324 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,000 not gonna let him lay one more hand on me. 325 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,920 And so they heard all these and they were like, yeah, no, 326 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,039 it's him, it's him. We need to find him. That 327 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,119 same night, as friends and family held a vigil for Carolina, 328 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:31,960 and Gabriela gassi Is was found and now we're this 329 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,039 is the thirteenth of June. Police did a press conference 330 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,759 where they stated that Gasttis had confessed. Then they also 331 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:44,640 found like blood at his house, his shoe prints at 332 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,960 the scene of the crime, and that same blood on 333 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,640 his own shoes, and they also found a knife that 334 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,480 had been used, so like there was no denine it 335 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,160 was him. When the funeral was held, police had to 336 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:01,039 close the streets, block streets so people at march with 337 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,640 the possession because there was that many people supporting the 338 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,599 family and at the funeral and as they buried Gabriela 339 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,839 and Carolina. Gassides was formerly charged with the unlawful killing 340 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,279 of Carolina and for the homicide and rape of Gabriela, 341 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:22,599 and the investigation took two years, so he had been 342 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,039 like indicted or they were pursuing charges against him, I 343 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:30,200 guess is what they had said. But then it still 344 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,920 took two years for him to be like arrested. Oh yeah, 345 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:40,519 for anything to move forward. And the family also learned 346 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:44,359 that this wouldn't be tried as a femicide. And so 347 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,240 from that day on, Fabian and Rodrigo fought for Gabriela's 348 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:55,319 law calling for a change in what qualified as femicide. 349 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:01,079 So in twenty ten, femicide was added to Chile's criminal 350 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,599 system or law, whatever it's called. But under the way 351 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,920 it was added femicide, it could only be a femicide 352 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,440 if a woman was killed by a partner they lived 353 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,160 with or were married to. Oh, I see, yes, So 354 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,680 it didn't apply to Gabriella because she didn't live with Casatz. 355 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:24,160 Side note, but I learned in all of this that 356 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:29,359 Nobio is polo in Chile. I heard that before. I 357 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,839 didn't know that. I don't remember how I heard it. 358 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,319 Aware interesting. Maybe I was watching something Chilean. Maybe yeah, 359 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,559 I might've been watching them because original but the La 360 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:44,559 faa la is from China. I think maybe it might 361 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:48,920 have been that where I heard it. That makes sense. Yeah, 362 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,880 and so yeah, I didn't apply to Gabriella or her mom. 363 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,279 But Fabian insisted this was a femicide, that she was 364 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,240 killed because she was a woman, because she rejec that 365 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,839 casse Is advances, and Fabian maintained this wouldn't have happened 366 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,160 if Gabriela had been a man. That's true. Yeah, all 367 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,400 of that is true. Yeah, and so they they fought 368 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:22,119 for this to change. And so Gabriella's law expanded the 369 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,240 definition or expands the definition of femicide to include violent 370 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,039 crimes against women based on gender, even if committed outside 371 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,559 of a relationship. Okay, that's good. It went beyond even 372 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:42,920 their parameters that defined her relationship situation. Yeah, also expanding 373 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,319 it further from a couple that does not live together. Yeah. 374 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,559 And so now femicide and this is a quote from 375 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:53,160 Silvana Delbaye, a lawyer and coordinator from the of the 376 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:59,319 organization she leaned, Network Against Violence against Women. She said, 377 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,519 nowside simply means the murder of a woman for the 378 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,759 fact of being a woman. And this organization had actually 379 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:10,359 been keeping track of like what would be considered a 380 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,279 femicide before femicide was codified into Chilean law, because that 381 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:17,799 was in twenty ten, and so they had a database 382 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,640 of all these femicides and they made it public in 383 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:26,400 twenty ten, and then they kept filing what they considered femicides, 384 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,440 which would include Gabriela's murder and her mom's murder. They 385 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,079 kept those and then when Gabriela's Law came into place, 386 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,880 they added even more to make you know, the public 387 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,920 aware like this is a serious issue. Yeah, and they 388 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960 but yeah, they've been doing a lot of that work. 389 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,599 But Fabian and Rodrigo went to Congress every single week 390 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:51,119 to push for Gabriela's law, to advocate for it. They 391 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,400 did this for a year and a half. Wow. And 392 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,400 in that time they met with like a whole bunch 393 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,000 of different like government officials, but the then president refused 394 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,359 to meet with them. They never once met with him. Finally, 395 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,680 I want to say, it was like twenty nineteen when 396 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,759 they said, yes, we'll make this into law, and then 397 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,279 March of twenty twenty when the law went into effect. 398 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,880 So when the law was promulgated, and I was like, 399 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,000 what is that put in place? Officially, put into a 400 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:28,440 decree or whatever? You know, President Sevastian Pinera said quote 401 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:39,720 Avess Nolasalas and in English, sometimes it is not merely 402 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,160 men's will to abuse, but also women's position to be abused. 403 00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:50,119 Why what the fuck is he saying? What? What? What 404 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,160 do you mean by that? What does you mean by that? 405 00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,680 Is he saying like did he just word about ai? 406 00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:58,880 But obviously know what he meant, but I don't know, 407 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,119 like if I had to give him the benefit of 408 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,279 the doubt, like maybe he meant that women are abused 409 00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:10,279 because they're women. I felt like he was saying, sometimes 410 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,839 there's a woman's fault, she's being That's what I thought too. 411 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,400 But then I'm like, Okay, well maybe I don't know. No, 412 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,319 I think it's the other one what I said, because 413 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,240 he said, yes, yeah, that he's just like, who's not 414 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:27,400 always the man's fault? Sometimes women deserve to be abused. 415 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:35,480 At the ceremony to bring this law into place, he 416 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,960 did refuse to meet with them too, so no he did. Yeah. Yeah. 417 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:46,240 In response to that statement, Fay called him out. He said, quote, 418 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,839 they are quite unfortunate words because it shows a lack 419 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,720 of listening, a lack of understanding that the woman is 420 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:57,319 not to blame here. Okay. Unfortunately, these types of men, 421 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,720 the abusers, have a lethal mix of intelligence and ability 422 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:05,640 to diminish a woman. But the blame will never be 423 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:13,720 the women's in these cases. Yeah. Yeah. As for gast Is, 424 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,440 he was sentenced to life in April of twenty twenty two. Unfortunately, 425 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,720 the femicide charge would not be applied to him because 426 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:28,799 it came into place after yeah, it wasn't like retroactive exactly, 427 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,240 but the family still viewed it as a victory. They 428 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:40,079 said that their fight was quote enelre toras for everyone 429 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:44,359 they gave me Chelles, I know, and I just I 430 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,559 felt so sad, like just hearing I listened to he 431 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,640 they were so outspoken in the media, Fabian Androdrigo, both 432 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,400 of them, and like, I mean their lives were uprooted 433 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:02,960 by femicide. Femicide, yeah, because it wasn't just his daughter, 434 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,279 but also like we said, his wife and so yeah, 435 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:13,160 they I mean I want Yeah, I watched I was like, 436 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,720 what are they saying? I watched interviews and it's just 437 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,640 like it's so sad to hear, like, oh, the the 438 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:20,440 last words I said to her was like I love 439 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,079 you more than anything in this life. And yeah, and 440 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,640 then also hearing them say like if it weren't for her, 441 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,039 like this wouldn't have been put into place, and that 442 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:40,279 like her death wasn't in vain, you know, yeah, like 443 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:47,920 something there they feel something good came out of it. Yes, yeah, yeah, 444 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:53,400 but yeah that is the femicide, double femicide that brought 445 00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:03,519 Gabriela's lat into place in Chile. Wow, very impactful. Yeah 446 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,720 and yeah, like what a what an important case that 447 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:14,880 changed Chile forever. To close out March for us here. Yeah, 448 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,680 and that's the case all around, you know, where laws 449 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,359 are put in place after the fact, and it's sad 450 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,160 that women had to lose their lives, women and children 451 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,559 have to lose their lives or be harmed in any 452 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,160 kind of way for then, you know, loss to be 453 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,839 put in place to either prevent or punish more severely, 454 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,799 you know, people who enact that kind of violence. Yeah, yeah, 455 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,119 I don't know. Yeah. Oh, actually I do have one 456 00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:51,400 thing to end this on that I'm like excited for 457 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:57,400 this Sunday, the Latina running club that I joined is 458 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,960 doing a Women's History Month or a Women's Month run. 459 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,920 Oh I love that to close out like you know, March. 460 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,559 And everyone's supposed to wear black with like purple, oh 461 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,720 like they do for the Mac with the purple Okay, 462 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,839 So I love that. Yeah and yeah, just a bunch 463 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:23,000 of women running together. What a because also there was 464 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:28,079 a time well yeah, first, first of all, running as 465 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,960 a woman is scary, right, yeah, because women have been 466 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:35,359 killed while they're running and dogging doing something that anybody 467 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:40,119 should be able to do. But also there was a 468 00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,920 time that women could not run, like the Boston Marathon. 469 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,079 For example. Have you seen the pictures of the first 470 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,640 Boston Marathon. Yeah, some of those pictures I later learned 471 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,799 it later learned is her boyfriend defending her from the 472 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:56,160 guy who's trying to get her off the course? Too? 473 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,279 But yeah, I mean, and what was that like in 474 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,759 the sixty seventies. There's too recent, too recent, because that 475 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,119 woman ran the marathon again as an adult, as a recently. Yeah, 476 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,359 like within the past five years for sure. Yeah, and 477 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,119 all of this, like all the milestones and rights that 478 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,759 women have now, women file for, women died for right 479 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,759 not only in the US but all over Latin America, 480 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:31,119 And every day we're seeing these rights trying to be 481 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,359 taken away from us. Right, So now with not the 482 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,160 time to be like I want to turn my brain now, 483 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,640 I don't want to work. I want to be a 484 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,880 say home girlfriend, like, shut the fuck up, you dumb bitch. 485 00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,599 If I hear someone say that next to me, I'm 486 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,759 going to clock you right then. In there. That's that aggressive, 487 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,920 that's the masculine me. I'm not in my feminine I 488 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,880 can't be in my feminine because my rights are being 489 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,720 taken away. No, for real, again, it just I think 490 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:06,119 of the stupid manos Here documentary we just watched the Yeah, 491 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,240 they're like literally with the most abusive, disgusting men, and 492 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,079 they're like, I'm in my feminists. I feel safe in 493 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,480 his mask and he lets me be in my feminine. 494 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,200 And again again, these are the men going on podcast 495 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,000 saying I can kill her at any moment. I can 496 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:24,880 kill her, right, bro, I could just pin her up 497 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,079 to the wall, bro, and they do. She has to 498 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,519 live with that, bro. Yeah, and they do and they 499 00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,759 do so like we have been saying a month, and 500 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:39,240 I know everyone's so sick of hearing it, but like feminists, 501 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:41,359 we will never shut up about feminism, We will never 502 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,480 shut up about it. Okay. Coincidentally, I just started coming 503 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,240 across on my for you page on TikTok this woman, 504 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,039 this white Mexican I don't know. I know, people keep 505 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,319 saying her podcast name and the comments and I keep forgetting, 506 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:57,960 but she's like talking to different guests on her podcast 507 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:03,440 and just like informing them in such a calm manner 508 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,680 about I need to Yeah, right, that's why you need 509 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,319 to find this. You can send it to me. I will. 510 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,680 I love to listen to that. I'll find it before 511 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,720 this episode comes down and put the link in the 512 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,240 in the show notes. Okay, I will. Because there's a guy, 513 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,160 a friend of her is a guy, and he's like 514 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,319 talking about something about the how women are always putting 515 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,720 other women down, and then she's like, why do you 516 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,319 think that is? She's so calmly, she said, what do 517 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,400 you think that is? Because everything is done through the 518 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,680 mail gaze and she's just like she's just and then 519 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,039 he's like, oh, so it's because of this blah blah blah. 520 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,279 She's like, yeah, blah blah blah blah blah. She's just 521 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:45,880 so like smart, the way she talks. I could never know, 522 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:51,960 like not in English, much less in Spanish. Yes, yes, 523 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:58,119 and so yeah, I don't know, like I will send 524 00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:01,440 this to you and okay and yeah, and we can 525 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,599 end this episode. But I needed to say that one 526 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:09,440 more time. Yeah, let's let's let's not only stay a spooky, 527 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:17,039 but let's be feminist and intersectional with that. Oh sorry, no, 528 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,400 one more thing before we go after this. After this episode, 529 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,519 we are going to go on a one week yes, 530 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,359 one week, no episode every other week. Yeah, yes, every 531 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,119 other week, because you're talking what like Kevin when he's 532 00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:37,119 trying to change from the office when he's supposedly one week. Yes, 533 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,920 one wee can no more less words, more better, My bad, 534 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,079 my bad. That's why I'm going back to school. No, 535 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,160 but famously, I am returning to school. Mom, that's going 536 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,240 back to school. Yes. Yes, I fell fomo and also proud, 537 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:58,160 but fomo when my husband walked the stage and I 538 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,920 was like, I want to walk a stage and wow. 539 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,039 So yeah, I'm going back to school. And so because 540 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,839 of that, we're going to that every other week schedule 541 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:11,719 because other than otherwise it would be stable. Yeah, yeah, 542 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,320 too much. So yeah, say Spookie, we'll catch a ruin 543 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,760 next time. Bye bye. 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