Speaker 1: Donald Trump rashing the economy.
Speaker 2: We're session looming. What happens next?
Speaker 1: Watch what happens will happen right here.
Speaker 2: On fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 1: It's eight oh five five kr CD Talk Station.
Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, Extra Special Wednesday, the Our Power here with
Speaker 3: my next guest, Congress from Massi, follow by Judge Ennena Poulatana.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Congress from Massi, and thank you to the
Speaker 3: voters and the Commonwealth of Kentucky for electing you over
Speaker 3: and over again.
Speaker 1: It's always good talking with you.
Speaker 4: Well, it's great talking with you. It's a little gloomy
Speaker 4: here at the Capitol today. I'm in DC and we're
Speaker 4: getting ready to do the work of the people.
Speaker 3: Although I'm not sure it's going to be good work. Well,
Speaker 3: I have been calling it and you can feel free
Speaker 3: to disagree with me. Our spending problem as an existential
Speaker 3: threat to our existence as a country. The way we
Speaker 3: rack up money and spend money, we are digging ourselves
Speaker 3: into a hole that we can never climb out of.
Speaker 3: The debt service on the national debts already a trillion
Speaker 3: dollars annually that is going to continue to erode the
Speaker 3: ability of government to fund and spend on literally everything else.
Speaker 3: Each and every year it gets worse and worse. But
Speaker 3: we're on a trajectory to continue that downward slide. What
Speaker 3: is with I mean, Republicans have control here, and all
Speaker 3: I keep reading about is well moderate Republicans, Republicans in
Speaker 3: questionable jurisdicity. They're worried about getting re elected, so they're
Speaker 3: afraid to cut this or that. Are they're afraid to
Speaker 3: get rid of the Green New Deal program because it's
Speaker 3: in their in the backyard? Hey man, isn't it time
Speaker 3: to rip the band aid off and quit worrying about
Speaker 3: your funny, blowny job and do what's right for the
Speaker 3: future of America.
Speaker 4: Congressman Massy, it is time to rip the band aid off. Look,
Speaker 4: there's no bright line between freedom and socialism. It's kind
Speaker 4: of a fuzzy line, okay, And I think you measure
Speaker 4: it in terms of how much does your federal government?
Speaker 4: How much are your GDP does your federal government spend
Speaker 4: every year? If your government's taking away you know, thirty
Speaker 4: percent the federal government.
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about state and local.
Speaker 4: If the federal government it's taking away thirty percent of
Speaker 4: your money and reallocating that we consider that socialism. That's
Speaker 4: about where most of the European countries have been for
Speaker 4: several decades. And we've been at about twenty percent of GDP.
Speaker 4: That's been our federal spending. But what happened during COVID
Speaker 4: is we popped up to thirty percent for a couple
Speaker 4: of years, one year under Trump and one year under Biden.
Speaker 4: I mean, these are socialist levels of federal spending. And
Speaker 4: the problem is it sort of stretched the balloon during
Speaker 4: COVID and it never went back to its original size.
Speaker 4: For three or four years, we've been at twenty three
Speaker 4: percent of GDP is our federal spending. So you said,
Speaker 4: you know, use the word slipping slowly in decline or whatever.
Speaker 4: I think we are slipping into socialism because our level
Speaker 4: of spending, the amount of money we take from people
Speaker 4: and reallocate to other people and businesses is twenty three
Speaker 4: percent at the federal level alone. When you roll in
Speaker 4: state and local, you're getting up close to forty percent
Speaker 4: at depending on what state you live in, Which gets
Speaker 4: me to another point in this big beautiful bill here.
Speaker 4: You know, normally I would say, look, if they put
Speaker 4: a bill in front of me that cuts taxes. I'm
Speaker 4: going to vote for that because and then hopefully we'll
Speaker 4: get a bill that cuts spending later on. And that's
Speaker 4: been sort of myom for the first decade in Congress.
Speaker 4: The problem is, they never give you the bill that
Speaker 4: cuts spending. We're not voting on DOGE, the Recisions Package.
Speaker 2: We were supposed to.
Speaker 4: Vote on that, and they quietly canceled all those votes.
Speaker 4: And so what I'm facing right now is this big,
Speaker 4: beautiful bill up here.
Speaker 2: It's got tax cuts.
Speaker 4: It's a grab bag of goodies for everybody, particularly the
Speaker 4: blue state Republicans that you just.
Speaker 2: Talked about that are crying about their next election.
Speaker 4: They want their deduction for their house, the taxes on
Speaker 4: their houses to go from ten thousand dollars to thirty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: The salt if you yeah, the state and local tax.
Speaker 4: If you heard the word salt, that's an acronym for
Speaker 4: state and local tax. Can you deduct it from your
Speaker 4: federal taxes?
Speaker 2: Well you you.
Speaker 4: Can right now up to ten thousand dollars. But you
Speaker 4: know there's some big houses in New York, or the
Speaker 4: property taxes in California where you know they're they're literally
Speaker 4: robbing them blind. In New York and California, they wanted
Speaker 4: local taxes to be so high. So the Republicans there
Speaker 4: are saying, well, we shouldn't have to pay as much
Speaker 4: federal tax as the people in Kentucky or Ohio since
Speaker 4: we got such a big local tax.
Speaker 1: Well that's their fault.
Speaker 2: It is their fault.
Speaker 4: And my question is why should somebody in Kentucky pay
Speaker 4: a bigger portion of their income for the national defense
Speaker 4: to fund the national defense than somebody in New York does.
Speaker 4: Just because the governor or the local officials in New
Speaker 4: York are taxing the crap out of you or California,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't pay different.
Speaker 2: We should all be paying for the national defense.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't get out of that obligation just because you
Speaker 4: live in a high tax blue state. But you've got
Speaker 4: Republicans up here arguing that they should get that deduction
Speaker 4: that's been put in this big, beautiful bill. So there's
Speaker 4: a grab bag of goodies in here. There's tax cuts
Speaker 4: for everybody. Normally, I'm for any tax.
Speaker 2: Cut that we can get.
Speaker 4: The problem is there's only one mechanism that's left to
Speaker 4: us now that they're not doing the recisions. The only
Speaker 4: other mechanism to cut spending with only fifty one votes
Speaker 4: in the Senate is the Big Beautiful Bill. It's called
Speaker 4: Reconciliation Bill. And they're not cutting spending. They are increasing spending. Now,
Speaker 4: is it things I would spend money on? Yeah, the military,
Speaker 4: the wall, there's some you know, a dome. They're saying,
Speaker 4: a golden dome for the United States. My question is,
Speaker 4: why don't we have that already. We've been funding it overseas.
Speaker 4: Not things. These aren't things that I'm against. The problem
Speaker 4: is you cannot increase ending and cut taxes without affecting
Speaker 4: our bond rating on the debt we already have. So
Speaker 4: not only are they going to bring in new debt.
Speaker 4: That's and this Big Beautiful Bill adds three trillion dollars
Speaker 4: of new debt to what was already going to be
Speaker 4: fifty trillion dollars of debt ten years from now, will
Speaker 4: be at fifty two to fifty three trillion ten years
Speaker 4: from now. If this bill passes, where we cut taxes
Speaker 4: and increased spending.
Speaker 2: But not only does it do that, it's going to
Speaker 2: send a signal to the bond.
Speaker 4: Markets and sovereign wealth funds from other countries that we're
Speaker 4: not serious about attacking our school issues or addressing them.
Speaker 4: And they're going to say, you know what, four percent,
Speaker 4: five percent, that's not enough. We're going to need six
Speaker 4: percent if we're going to buy your debt. So you're
Speaker 4: going to take the legacy debt we have and as
Speaker 4: you so aptly you know, estimated a trillion dollars of
Speaker 4: interest in the last year payments, that's going to go
Speaker 4: to one and a half trillion something pretty soon.
Speaker 3: Well, and at some point you know that it's going
Speaker 3: to result in the collapse of the FIA currency because
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to the point where we can't afford
Speaker 3: to pay that that service. I mean correct, that's the
Speaker 3: trajectory we are on right now. It's like they're fiddling
Speaker 3: while Rome is burning. It's like, well, screw it, it's
Speaker 3: on fire. There's nothing we can do. We may as
Speaker 3: well have a party and go on to spending spree.
Speaker 2: And here's another thing.
Speaker 4: People say, oh, I agree with Massia on everything except
Speaker 4: some of his foreign policy, and he should be voting
Speaker 4: on these sanctions and he doesn't vote for sanctions. Guess what, folks,
Speaker 4: those sanctions are Every time we tell another country that
Speaker 4: you can't trade in US dollars, we're.
Speaker 2: Actually damaging quite a.
Speaker 4: Quite a nice little scam the US government's got, which
Speaker 4: is when we print money, as long as Iran and
Speaker 4: Russia are using US dollars, they have to hold US
Speaker 4: dollars and we dilute them with inflation. Now, when we
Speaker 4: tell them you can't use US dollars to transact in
Speaker 4: a global economy, we are we're basic taking ourselves further
Speaker 4: and further away from being the standard, the worldwide standard
Speaker 4: for currencies. And then we don't get to do this
Speaker 4: trick where we print money every year to pay our
Speaker 4: debt service that they bought, okay, and and dilute their
Speaker 4: holdings because they're no longer holding US dollars. So that's
Speaker 4: the other thing that's coming up, Brian, is not not
Speaker 4: only will they say we don't want to buy your
Speaker 4: debt and then the price.
Speaker 2: Will go up because there'll be fewer bidders for our debt.
Speaker 2: They're they're going to say, we're, well, you didn't let
Speaker 2: us hold US dollars.
Speaker 4: We're going to go to bricks or one of these
Speaker 4: other you know, international standards for currency, and we don't
Speaker 4: need the dollar and then quit holding dollars. We can't
Speaker 4: dilute their holdings and we and you know, print our
Speaker 4: way out of this problem. Not that not that I'm
Speaker 4: saying that's a good thing. I'm just explaining how it
Speaker 4: works right now and why it hasn't collapsed already.
Speaker 3: Right Well, I mean this is something that every politician,
Speaker 3: elected official I think probably stands to some degree, although
Speaker 3: we do have some morons in Congress who think, you know,
Speaker 3: guamkan capsize. But but that's what bothers me so much about.
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, everybody needs to cut but me in
Speaker 3: my state, and you know, I have corn farmers. Therefore,
Speaker 3: I want the ethanol subs that to remain in place,
Speaker 3: which is burning food in our engines, which is just dumb.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't need to burn ethanol in our cars.
Speaker 3: It's not environmentally correct. All the pollutants that go out
Speaker 3: into the world because of the farming industry, generally speaking,
Speaker 3: I think probably negate any plausible benefit. But we have
Speaker 3: petroleum that we can refine into gasoline. This isn't like
Speaker 3: we need a substitute for gasoline because we've run out
Speaker 3: of petroleum. It's just an outright subsidy of the farmers,
Speaker 3: and it's forcing on us something we probably wouldn't embrace
Speaker 3: if we had free market choices. But there they are
Speaker 3: in Republican states demanding the ethanol subsidy remain.
Speaker 4: When you dedicate hundreds of thousands of acres in your
Speaker 4: state to growing corn for ethanol, you were raising the
Speaker 4: least price of that land that somebody would use to
Speaker 4: grow some other kind of food, or diverting corn that
Speaker 4: would go into the food supply into some other thing,
Speaker 4: and you're raising the price of it.
Speaker 2: That's why farmers like ethanol. It raises the price of corn.
Speaker 4: The problem is it's not a natural market demand for that.
Speaker 4: There's a certain amount of ethanol that you can put
Speaker 4: into gas lane to improve the nock grating, but once
Speaker 4: you get past a certain amount, and oh, by the way.
Speaker 1: It reduces your gas mode, it does.
Speaker 4: It burns out your rubber diaphragms and your chainsaw carbon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't use it as those small engine like
Speaker 3: for a two cycle for example.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what if the cost of all that was known
Speaker 4: ethotol would be an even worse deal. But we shouldn't
Speaker 4: be subsidizing, And you're right, I was going to protest
Speaker 4: earlier when you said you got these blue state Republicans
Speaker 4: who want this, or that you got some red state
Speaker 4: Republicans you do want those ethanols. And they're from Iowa
Speaker 4: and Wisconsin and Minnesota. I mean, they're my colleagues, and
Speaker 4: they get very squeaky when somebody tras to take those
Speaker 4: ethanol subsidies away in this But we should, yeah, we
Speaker 4: should repeal all the all the energy subsidies go back
Speaker 4: to free market. The thing, you know, the thing that
Speaker 4: Trump is doing that it's really helping the economy is
Speaker 4: to reduce regulations and let the free market, you know,
Speaker 4: provide for our energy needs.
Speaker 3: Well, let the free market. And you know that's another
Speaker 3: reason all of the the Green New Deal programs should
Speaker 3: be repealed. Any subsidies going to a battery farm, wind farm,
Speaker 3: solar panel farm, whatever it happens to be, should be repealed, period,
Speaker 3: end of story.
Speaker 1: They're not in the market demand.
Speaker 3: If if if the market demanded them, there would be
Speaker 3: business and industry out there willing to create and build
Speaker 3: them because people want them. This is something that's been
Speaker 3: foisted on us.
Speaker 4: I've had two groups of lobbyists and they represent people
Speaker 4: in Kentucky, which is why I let them in my office. Okay,
Speaker 4: two different companies who because of Biden's and AOC's Green
Speaker 4: New Deal when they got it codified into the Inflation
Speaker 4: Reduction Act, which is irony and ironic. It didn't reduce inflation.
Speaker 4: But because they said we're going to subsidize these battery plants,
Speaker 4: people made business decisions to expand in Ohio and Kentucky
Speaker 4: and Indiana. And so I've got people from Kentucky, two
Speaker 4: different companies. I'm not going to call them out who
Speaker 4: come to my office and say, you know, we want
Speaker 4: to see those battery subsidies remain.
Speaker 2: We made business decisions.
Speaker 4: And my thought is you should make business decisions based
Speaker 4: on things that make financial sense, not because of some
Speaker 4: government subsidies. And this is the risk you run when
Speaker 4: you think Joe Biden's going to get a second term,
Speaker 4: so you double down on the on the non since.
Speaker 3: You made a Oh look, you made a few business decisions.
Speaker 1: Sucks to be you.
Speaker 3: Let's pause. We'll bring Congress and Messy back a couple
Speaker 3: other topics. It's eight eighteen fifty five kr C DE
Speaker 3: talk station, prestige interiors. You need to talk with If
Speaker 3: you want a kitchen remodeled, h Christ e'gan tier does
Speaker 3: a wonderful job. Because John Ryan is pressed egonteriers. He'll
Speaker 3: be sitting down with you at the table from initial
Speaker 3: design all the way through final installation. Your true partner
Speaker 3: in kitchen remodeling project does great work. I know that
Speaker 3: because he redid our kitchen and so many more over
Speaker 3: his thirty five plus years of doing almost exclusively kitchens.
Speaker 3: You'll enjoy working with me. He's a really nice guy,
Speaker 3: a plus with the better business. Fairwell deserve that find
Speaker 3: him online. Go to Prestige one two three dot com.
Speaker 3: That's Prestige one two three dot com to check out
Speaker 3: some of the work he's done to learn more about
Speaker 3: what he can do for you. The number to reach
Speaker 3: him five one three two four seven zero two two
Speaker 3: nine five one three two four seven zero.
Speaker 1: Two two nine.
Speaker 2: This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station at Donovan's weather.
Speaker 1: Forecast from Channel nine.
Speaker 3: Clouds scattered afternoon storms and seventy seven overnight. Just cloudy,
Speaker 3: sixty two for the low, cloudy tomorrow, partly eighty four
Speaker 3: for the high. Maybe some rain or storms overnight Thursday,
Speaker 3: with a low sixty eight and a high at eighty
Speaker 3: five on Friday with another chance at rain sixty three.
Speaker 5: Now traffic time from the UCLF Traffic Center and u
Speaker 5: SEE Health has expert traumacare focusing on prevention, treating injuries,
Speaker 5: and supporting long term recovery and rehabilitation.
Speaker 1: Learn more at you see how dot.
Speaker 5: Com South Bend seventy one continues slow field zurdle off
Speaker 5: and on the Red Bank North Found seventy five heavy
Speaker 5: from Turfoay into town then slow again above seventy four
Speaker 5: to one accident into town Street. Chuck Ingram on fifty
Speaker 5: five KR see the talk station.
Speaker 3: At about KRC City Talk station. By time was the
Speaker 3: Congressman Thomas Massy going over the reconciliation Processor. Congressm Massy,
Speaker 3: I guess I got to ask you the direct question,
Speaker 3: so I know the House can can cannot afford to
Speaker 3: lose many people to a no vote on this. It's
Speaker 3: going to get shot down in flames given the margins,
Speaker 3: and I guess Speaker Johnson is against it. He came
Speaker 3: out with an op ed open letter to the public
Speaker 3: about why he's not in favor because it doesn't cut enough.
Speaker 3: And I agree with him on that. Are you a no?
Speaker 2: I'm not Speaker Ron Johnson.
Speaker 3: Ron Senator Ron Senator, Senator Johnson. I apologize for that,
Speaker 3: but easy mistake to make. But Speaker Johnson's all in
Speaker 3: on the on this thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, it's Ron Johnson, the Senator, and they don't,
Speaker 4: like you said, they don't have much margin over there.
Speaker 4: I don't think Rand Paul's going to vote for it
Speaker 4: because it also increases the that.
Speaker 2: Limit by four trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where are you on it?
Speaker 2: I'm a no right now.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the way I figured, but I had
Speaker 3: to ask the question directly, so the tentative, No.
Speaker 4: There were we voted on two things already. That first
Speaker 4: vote was a framework, a budget framework. It wasn't this bill.
Speaker 4: It just set up the conditions for this bill, and
Speaker 4: there were no guarantees that it was going to reduce
Speaker 4: the deficit. So I was the only republic and know
Speaker 4: and I say that the Freedom Caucus got half pregnant
Speaker 4: because they all voted for that framework, saying it's going
Speaker 4: to get better and denying that they were pregnant when
Speaker 4: they voted for that thing. Then the Senate sent over
Speaker 4: a framework that was even worse now. They were told
Speaker 4: it would get better, but it got worse in the Senate,
Speaker 4: as things usually do, and they said, Okay, we'll vote
Speaker 4: for it this time, but we really mean it this time.
Speaker 2: This thing better reduced the deficit.
Speaker 4: So they got three quarters pregnant when they voted for
Speaker 4: the second framework, and it was myself and Victoria Sparts
Speaker 4: were the only nos on that. And now this is here.
Speaker 4: The chickens are coming home to roost. This is the
Speaker 4: final bill. And I think you've got conservatives who are
Speaker 4: really torn. I think they're fully pregnant at this point.
Speaker 4: I think they're going to have to vote for this
Speaker 4: because they're worried about the president and other things. They
Speaker 4: don't want to go to their voters and say this
Speaker 4: is irresponsible. Because here's the thing, Brian, this has new
Speaker 4: money for a wall. Do you want to go back
Speaker 4: home and have somebody run against you and say he
Speaker 4: voted against the big, beautiful bill that have money for
Speaker 4: the wall.
Speaker 3: But as Donald Trump's demonstrated, we don't need any more
Speaker 3: wall to stop the influx of humanity from coming across
Speaker 3: the border. He flipped the switch and it's stopped.
Speaker 4: And I know I'm not I'm not going to weigh
Speaker 4: in on that. I mean, but it's done a great job.
Speaker 3: But it's a mere fraction of what's in this bill
Speaker 3: in terms of correct It doesn't.
Speaker 2: In the TeV ads.
Speaker 4: That's right, but you don't get to you don't get
Speaker 4: to defend the there's going to be tv.
Speaker 2: Ads, and so I know what they're going through. I've
Speaker 2: been through it before.
Speaker 4: Look, every bill you vote against, every omnibus bill you
Speaker 4: vote against, probably has a pay raise for soldiers in it.
Speaker 4: And so they run ads back home saying you voted
Speaker 4: against the pay raise for soldiers. They don't tell you
Speaker 4: the rest of the bill is bankrupting the country and
Speaker 4: that you would have gladly given a pay raise to
Speaker 4: soldiers if it had been a separate vote on a
Speaker 4: separate bill.
Speaker 2: And so there's so much stuff.
Speaker 4: In this big, beautiful bill that I think people are good,
Speaker 4: stuff that people are afraid and if they vote against
Speaker 4: it because it's fiscally irresponsible. I mean, this is the
Speaker 4: most fiscally irresponsible thing you can do, Brian. It is
Speaker 4: to increase spending by hundreds of billions of dollars and
Speaker 4: cut taxes by trillions of dollars over the next ten years.
Speaker 2: It is not fiscally responsible.
Speaker 3: Well that's why I say, rip the band aid off
Speaker 3: and suck it up. If they run against you on
Speaker 3: these little tiny fractions of part of the bill and
Speaker 3: they're successful at it, fine, they're successful at it. But
Speaker 3: the meantime, you did the right thing on behalf of
Speaker 3: the American people and save the country from itself, which
Speaker 3: is a bunch of politicians who are worried about having
Speaker 3: a single issue add impacting the potential for them to
Speaker 3: get re elected. I mean, it's the writing on the
Speaker 3: walls there.
Speaker 2: But here's my take. Voters are adults.
Speaker 4: I think if you have an adult conversation with your
Speaker 4: voters and explain all of your votes like I try
Speaker 4: to do, and tell people what's really in these bills,
Speaker 4: that they will send you back to Congress because you've
Speaker 4: developed a level of trust. And that is what I
Speaker 4: am trying to do here. I'm on your show explaining
Speaker 4: why this is this is irresponsible a force to vote on,
Speaker 4: and I'll take a lot of heat for being no.
Speaker 4: I'll take a lot of heat from all sides, but
Speaker 4: I can't in good conscience drive this country off a
Speaker 4: fiscal ledge into the ravine.
Speaker 1: There you go, and that's why you keep getting re elected.
Speaker 3: Congress and Thomas MESSI, you speaking truth to power right
Speaker 3: there here on the fifty five Casey Morning Show. Congresson
Speaker 3: MESSI always enjoy having you on, appreciate your willingness to
Speaker 3: be open and honest with your constituents, and my listening
Speaker 3: audience and the vast majority of which really truly appreciates
Speaker 3: what you're doing. So keep up the great work, my friend.
Speaker 3: I'll look forward, as I always do, to having you
Speaker 3: back on the program real soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks brother Tail. To Judge, I said, Hi.
Speaker 1: I'll do it, sir, I will do it. Take care.
Speaker 3: It's eight twenty six fifty five cares to you talk station.
Speaker 3: Get your car to for in exchange. I take the
Speaker 3: Westchester location because that's where I get asked you certified
Speaker 3: master technicians working on my car and fixing my car
Speaker 3: for a lot less money, which is just exactly what
Speaker 3: I experienced just the other day at a forty thousand
Speaker 3: mile maintenance spark plug change, break, fluid change, oil change, filters, everything,
Speaker 3: And I'm really estimating that I can confidently state I
Speaker 3: probably saved more than a thousand dollars over what the
Speaker 3: dealer would have charged me for the exact same service.
Speaker 3: And I got a full war and term parts in service,
Speaker 3: and I got treated like a friend. There's such nice
Speaker 3: people there, and it's not just me because they do
Speaker 3: commercials for him, but they treat everybody really well for
Speaker 3: in exchange, great customer service. So take the Towlers or
Speaker 3: the Legs. It off of seventy five Head East two Street,
Speaker 3: Tanger right on Kinglin. You will run right into the shop.
Speaker 3: Tell them I said hi. When you give them a
Speaker 3: call to schedule the appointment. They are great at what
Speaker 3: they do. Save heap loads of money on your automobile repairs,
Speaker 3: whether it's traditional European or Asian import or a Tesla
Speaker 3: five one three six four four twenty six twenty six
Speaker 3: online foreign X four in the letter X dot com
Speaker 3: fifty five KRC when the power goes out,