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Speaker 2: So we're in my dad's old neighborhood in Glendale, Queen's.
And we're driving and we take a left and as
we take a left, you know Glendale, if you've ever
been to Glendale, Queens, there are a lot of parts
of Queens. There's these like three four story buildings like
residential on the top, the bottom floor is like shops
and stores. Uh. And we turn onto this avenue and
there's just this huge like bowling green that extends out
in if quite a way. And because the elevated trains
are I can't see what is at the center of
this building, and so we're driving closer to it and
it starts to come into form. It's this tower, massive
towering building. And I go, uh that, why does that
look so familiar? What is that? And my dad goes,
that's Franklin kay Lane. And I go, wait a second,
Franklin kay Lane. What did I read about Franklin kay Lane?
And and of course it's the famous what's his name Saltsman, Yeah,
Harold Saltsman Race War in high school and I go,
there's this book it's about Franklin kay Lane and it's
detailed Assaltsman details just just like race War that was
going on between like the SEQ what sixty seven and
seventy and my dad goes and I forgot this. My
dad goes, yeah, I went to that school. I went, well,
I was at that school in seventy four, so it
was right after like the peak of it. And I
was like, so, you know, what's your story and he goes, well,
I didn't. It wasn't too bad, but one time I
did get stabbed in the back by a sharpmaned umbrella.
I was like, by who He was, like, who do
you think? He was telling me? And he was telling
me about the segregated lunch room about it was, you know,
there were three sets of areas that were in the lunchroom,
and it was the white kids had one set of table,
the black kids had one set of tables, and the
Hispanics had one set of tables. And so he said
detailing this to me, and I'm like, you should, you know,
you should really get on a podcast and tell this story.
You can. You know, people want to hear this stuff.
You know, it's one of the most insane sagas in
the history of New York City, is that that school.
So I just figured i'd tell you that because you're
New York born. And I know you you were well
aware of what was going on at the time, but
I just find it really funny. It's like, it's this huge,
imposing building in the middle of this beautiful green and
he was telling me the elevated train where you got in.
There's this elevated train and you have to walk past
Mimonodies Cemetery by the way, and it's this huge entrance
to Mimonity Cemetery and you have to walk past it.
And he was telling me you couldn't walk on the
other side of the block. You had to walk on
the Mimanity Cemetery side of the block because on the
other side of the block was where the black kids
would walk, because they'd be coming from, uh, you know,
the more the more inner part of Queens And so
you literally down to the sidewalks, you had to walk
on different sides. And of course white, he gets white.
He's got to walk past my mom. It is to
get to school safely. And I just thought, you know,
I just thought that was just a good anecdote for
something that's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy. Does your dad have the typical
New York accent?
Speaker 2: Uh? He has the old New York accent, which you
probably remember, not the Brooklyn accent with all the rounded things.
But my dad will say stuff like Chimney uh, and
he like, this is the old Queen's accent, that like
Irish accent that everybody has. And I was thinking about
the tragedy of that poor accent has had just disappeared.
You don't see anybody with that accent really anymore. You
just see a lot of mom Donni's and Cuomos. That's
the only accents that you hear in anymore. Is mom
Donnie and Cuomo style accents? Really a tragedy.
Speaker 1: The I think, let me check this. I thought that
there was somebody else who went to Franklin Klee. Yeah, yeah,
I remember, Okay, I remember this now Yeah, Dotty Dotty
went to Franklin Caylene.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so funny, my dad, you know what, that's
really weird. John Gotti, the father obviously you're talking about
during the time he was telling My dad was telling
me because the whole area is very interesting, if not
that anybody on your show will ever go to Glendale Queen's.
It's very difficult to get to impenetrable almost, but it's
a huge Jewish cemetery that separates the three parts of
the whole neighborhood. Literally you can still see it to
this day. There's the black part, there's the Hispanic part,
which is ever growing, and there's the old white part,
which is now not even the same whites. It's like Albanians,
Czech people or whatever over there now, and so it's
just separated by this huge cemetery. And he was telling
me about a time when he's there were Italian kids
that would go to Franklin k Lane and they would
be escorted to the school by these you know, big
brusque like Italian guys in track suits. Like it was
the only white group that had a a protection thing
going on where they they would escort their kids to
the school, you know, with like tire irons and revolvers
and during you know, in the sixties, and no other
white ethnic group was doing that. My dad came from
the German American side of town, and there was no
protection network for those kids, which I just think is
so unusual. I don't know if that's interesting to you
or not, but I just think it's so unusual. Only
the Italians, Only the Italians.
Speaker 1: Well they always had, you know, the best social clubs
and social networks and community organizing and like mutual aid societies,
things like that. They they really excelled in that, so
that it makes sense to me. I don't know if
you remember in Race Warren High School, but there was
a part in there where right down the street from
the high school just a riot breaks out and the
police are sort of just overwhelmed, and like they talk
about all these white World War two veterans come out
with rifles and stuff.
Speaker 2: R Yes, yeah, it was too it was a different time, Queens.
Speaker 1: I really wish I would have had a chance. I
wish I would have known about this book a lot earlier.
Because Saltsman died in twenty twenty. I really would like
to interview him about that because I mean, of course
there's so many things I wouldn't be able to say
to him. But there's so many amazing things in that book.
I mean, where you just get the detail the violence.
I mean from chapter one right away you get the
you know, the burning, and then you the rape and
the just I mean, this absolute insanity. But you know
there's this whole, like the whole second half of that
book is basically about how, you know, the UFT the
Teachers Union is just taken over by a Jewish you know, cabal.
And I'm sure he didn't mean to tell the story
that way, but when you read it, you're like, holy crap.
Speaker 3: I don't know, he just detailed it. I mean like
he's talk about meetings and how and yeah, doing this,
and well they were a cartel, I mean in Queen's
in the same way where you would talk about the
ever there's this myth.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't mention the mafia. Everybody knew the Mafia was
a power PC.
Speaker 1: I didn't care if you talked about him, no, as
long as you weren't snitch on them.
Speaker 2: And there was a Jewish educational cartel too, I mean,
there was a protection racket for the Italian kids. And
there was a Jewish teachers union cartel in New York too,
and everybody knew that and talked about that. It's only
really now it seems like the veil has been laid
over with that, with that idea. And I don't know
why that is. It was it's something they used to
take pride in, you know, do they It's something that
the control over the Teachers' Union used to be something
that progressive Jews took a lot of pride in because
it meant that they could effectuate their view of education
over the system, which was a good thing. And it
only seems like now talking about that is sort of
verboten not to use to ethnically charged the phrase, but
you know, it seems only now it's something that you
can't talk about. But Queens in the seventies was highly tribalized,
and everybody knew it, and it was expected and it
was ordinary and for the people. Forget the kind of
first half of that history, which comes really from the
point of the Great Migration up until the crime policies
that occur in this in the early to mid sixties
when there's a turnover and the progressives really take power.
But from the point of the Great Migration and Queens
at least to about that time, the ethnic diversity and
the ethnic tribalism is kind of what kept the city working.
Everybody knew there. It was like a I would liken
it to maybe an idealized view of a medieval town.
People neglect to talk about because it wasn't explicitly written.
The caste systems of the medieval towns of Europe. This
group has its job and its thing, and this group
has this job and this thing. And that's how Queens
and other sort of naturally organized cities they formed this
way up until the intrusion of the federal and state
governments into the way people organize, I mean by organized,
the way they live, the way they organize their cultures.
And Queens really worked before the introduction of those intrusive
policies to make things change, and it obviously just makes
you I mean, this is like remedial for your listeners
and you, but it does really make you think the
intrusion is obviously what has caused the problem.
Speaker 1: Well, I know that Manhattan at one point was very
self segregating. Are this how self segregating are the otderboroughs Now?
Speaker 2: Where I grew up in Queens It was, And we've
talked about this. This hearkens back to probably the first
episode that we did together where we talked about Robert Moses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, I was. I was just thinking about
that a couple of minutes ago when you were talking.
I was thinking, well, what's funny is when you get
the Great Migration, you've already had the work of Robert
Moses in place for about forty years. It was almost
like they were anticipating. It was almost like it was
an anticipation.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about Robert Moses is that he wasn't
this great grand conspiratorial or segregatory mind. He just knew
how cities had to work in an empire. He knew
that he didn't plan this neighborhood or that neighborhood will
be the black neighborhood, or this neighborhood or that neighborhood
will be the Slavic neighborhood. He knew that you had
to design towns in an essentially self segt segregatory manner.
Because I just outlined to you what buttresses Franklin Kaylane,
you know, the public school, my monodies, cemetery. Now this
wasn't designed by Robert Moses, but you understand, the pinnacle
of city architecture only represents the trends of city architecture
at that time, which were the designing of the self
segregatory networks of towns. And where I grew up in
what I would call Central Queens areas like the town
of Glendale areas. I don't even know if you've been
to any of these places. But the town of Astoria,
which is actually more outer Queens.
Speaker 1: But still a historia many times.
Speaker 2: Still designed in the same way where the highways. Unlike
in a place where I live now, like in Florida,
in Miami, the highways are designed to get you from
one place to another. In New York, the highways are
as much designed to do that as they are to
create these pockets of neighborhoods. And I mean it's not
easy to tell, but anybody is free to go and
look at Google or Earth and look at in New York,
where the highway sit, where the public parks sit, where
the graveyards are. All of it was piecemeal and naturally
designed in order to segregate neighborhoods. Now they didn't know
was this neighborhood going to become Polish by nineteen eighty.
Was this neighborhood by nineteen ninety going to be removed
of all its Italians in favor of Venezuelans, Which is
the case in some of the far outer parts of Queens,
like near the water, like well, any of the areas
that Butcher's up against the water not quite rockaway, but
Howard Beach and those areas where the Italians used to
be strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's last I heard. The building that I
grew up in, the Bronx is mostly Filipinos, and when
I was growing up, it was mostly leftover Irish, Puerto.
Speaker 2: Rican in Dominican and they're all they've moved mostly back
to Long Island or they've moved up. But you can
see the way that these structures are all built is
they're meant to create these self segregating towns because the
idea was we have to operate an imperial city. This
stuff was designed before the Civil Rights regime was put
into place, the post.
Speaker 1: Sivil Years regime sixty years before that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, they had no idea that that was coming.
And now you get in cities that are built up afterwards,
you get just highly economically functional highways. They take you
from one neighborhood to the district where you spend your
money and make your money. They don't actually function to
segregate town or neighborhoods. This is certainly not the case
in where I live in outer Miami, the newer parts
of Miami, the parts that are more freshly built after
the considerations of the Civil Rights regime, are made, but
in New York you can't just pick that stuff up
and move it so you can really see it. And
so you know, the book gives you good context. But
one thing the book didn't quite do, and I'm still
talking about race war in high school, and that's because
it's the goal wasn't to do this, But it would
be excellent for somebody with this kind of knowledge to
make a book that precludes race Warren High School, and
it could refer to the design of the areas around
Franklin K High School and what racial and ethnic groups
they housed and how they were designed to keep those
groups in and not walking towards one another. Because again,
to get to where my father lived, you get to
do one of two things. You had to take the
elevated train, which went in a cut through over the
Jewish cemetery to get to that area. And nobody gets
on a train not knowing where they're going, So essentially
nobody from the other side of the neighborhood would have
ever gotten off the train in that side of the
neighborhood because you would just look at the sign and
it would say, you know, Glendale Queens, and that's what
the stop line says, you go, I don't know where
this is, so I'm not getting off. And the other
way was you could take your vehicle through a different cut,
through through the Jewish cemetery. Another thing you just don't
ever do if you live in a big city. You
don't ever in a big city go somewhere you don't
know where you're going, especially not you know, in nineteen
fifty you don't go and do that. So these areas
they still look this way, but they are not this
way anymore. I mean, the area where my dad grew
up now has cycled through three different ethnic hegemony. You know,
it's totally different than what it was as a German
neighborhood where my dad was growing up. It cycled through
Eastern European to like Asian, Indian to Venezuelan, and that's
how it cycled through. But that's just not how they
were originally designed. And so it would be really interesting
for somebody to create a book that talks about the
circumstances that led to Franklin kay Lane being a pressure
cooker for race war, because it wasn't just like city
policy that made it that way. It was city policy
as a result of the way the towns were organized.
I mean, you still see this to this Dapete these
you know, if you go to if these kids go
to public school, so they're assigned a public school that
they go to, and Franklin kay Lane sits at the
nexus of these three warring tribes, these neighborhoods of three
different colors of people. And that's why Franklin Kaylane is
just one of the powder kegs because the city's design
unintentionally contributed to that. The way they've designed public schools
now is they make sure that only the black kids
go to that school, so it's in the center of
the black neighborhood instead of on the border of three neighborhoods,
which is exactly what you would get when you would
expect it to just be three white neighborhoods that would
be all going to one public school. Of course, you
would just put it like at the triangle point of
the three, whereas now they put them up and they
put them in the heart of the neighborhood because they
just they cannot afford more race wars in high school
to happen. It was the most damaging thing to the
civil rights regime was immediately after the Great Society has passed.
There's huge race wars that are occurring everywhere in New
York City and in other places too. That's why they
changed it all. And you just take a dry through
areas where my dad grew up in Queens and it
physically it lit it becomes alive to you. You know,
you can still because the you know, in that Aber
neighborhood now where the Blacks used to live, it's now Indians.
It's an Indian neighborhood, but you can still see them
manifest in those little cells, right, you can still you
can see you go across the cemetery and there's no
Indians left now. It's it's all like Eastern Europeans or Venezuelans,
but it's one group in the in the in the
spot because the our architecture still functions that way. It's
just it's very interesting how the plans of one generation
outlive that generation's ability to govern, you know what the
plans set up was meant to do. So that's the
consequence of what New York City is kind of still
like now. And it's no wonder the areas where my
dad grew up. The only thing that hasn't changed about
them is that they still vote Republican. I mean, they've
gone through three or four ethnic dumpouts, but the area
is still vote Republican. And that's because the way that
they live, isolated from others, pushes them towards a more
perceived to be conservative set of politics. It's just very
unusual how architecture really dominates the way that people think,
even when they don't realize it, even when it seems
like it has nothing to do with it. Which you know,
has been my whole life for the past three months,
is thinking about Mason's and architecture and could people controlling
our minds. So that's kind of what I've been up
to lately, is thinking about that as I've returned from
my ancestral homeland to get back to podcasting.
Speaker 1: I guess the benefit of living where I live is
that this it really hasn't changed. And I was speaking
with a friend of mine from around here this morning,
and he grew up here, he lives here, he's going
to die here, and his family's been here for you know,
well over one hundred years. And basically what we were
talking about was we were talking about the city, and
we were talking about for some reason, we talk about
segregation and everything, and we talked about how the fact
that our town has like twenty is like twenty to
thirty percent black, yet unless you go into certain places
or you even know where to get, you don't know
that they're that it's still down here because of history. Yeah,
I asked him. I said, well, where are they? You know,
where are they? Yeah? I see some at Pigley Wigley.
Really nice people always say hi, even to people I
don't know. I said, where are they? He's like, well,
you know that one road and you make a left,
he goes, if you go down that, If you go
down that road and just keep going, they're all on
the left side of that road.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never think to turn on that side of
the road because you're like, I don't know what's over there,
and that's it's designed that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, i'ink the natural architecture.
Speaker 1: I've been down that road many times and I didn't
even notice it because I mean, it's not like they're
hanging out on their porch or front lawn or anything
like that. It just doesn't. It's pretty. It's very historic
where it's like we're static here. But the one thing
you get in a city like New York City is
you're going to get that change. You're going to get
that constant cycle of people cycling in, group cycling in
and group cycling out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that the dumpover change happens in New York
City in a way that it does not happen in
small towns in the South. Absolutely, But it is funny
they're built the same way.
Speaker 1: To me, Well, the first you know, I guess the
real first groups that came were you know, you talk
about the Irish and then the Italians, and they set
up their own, their own little cadres, their own little
neighborhoods are obviously little literally people know Little Italy and.
Speaker 2: And not one Italian left, by the way, in Little Italy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Little Italy. Yeah. But I mean there's still
there's still it's a little itery.
Speaker 2: They call it a litter itery.
Speaker 1: What is it? What is that?
Speaker 2: Chinese? Chinese? It's all just Chinese and Koreans.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, you just cross Mott Street and
you're in Chinatown, so uh, but or you cross Canal
and you're in Chinatown. But the but still a lot
of Italians remained in the city, they just moved elsewhere.
Like the Irish that I grew up with around and
there was there was still a lot of Irish in
the section of the Bronx when I was growing up.
They all moved up to like the Woodlawn area, m
Woodlawn in the Bronx, up by Van Cortland Park everything. Yeah,
so they all moved up there, but they and leave.
So it seems like the of all the groups, all
the groups that came in, the Irish and the Italians
their pretty good job of just staying and setting up shop,
you know. And they're still Italian neighborhoods in the Bronx.
People don't even talk.
Speaker 2: About getting old though. There's Italian neighborhoods in Brooklyn too,
and in Queens the area that I grew up in
is still a solidly Italian neighborhood. But you know, again,
this is very remediable, but it's RICO ruined all that.
Rico and related policies is what ruined the ability for
whites to have ethnic neighborhoods because and I'll just say
whites choose to have ethnic neighborhoods. Blacks in most cases,
certainly in New York are not choosing to have ethnic neighborhoods.
Their ethnic neighborhoods are by consequence, and similarly, the new
groups that are being shoveled into the city of the
Venezuelans in some cases, the El Salvadorans. And you know,
we love having l Salvadorians in this country because it's
the ones that Bukel didn't want, right, so of course
they're going to be great, upstanding, the El Salvadorans. These
are groups that are filling in the kind of they
call it white flight, the kind of white flight neighborhoods,
the whites who are getting out and finding the new
neighborhoods farther out in Long Island and farther upstate to
move into. They're just sort of filling those places. So
they are rico ruined the ability for there to be
what is necessary in situations like that, which is ethnic
protection rackets. It's not necessarily something that's necessary in a
southern town, even though it still exists. Somebody who's not
from that town that you live and comes in and
does something terrible. It takes guys to go to one
another's houses and go get your cousins to come here. Hey,
get that family, and we're gonna go and find this motherfucker.
That still happens in the South. That does not happen
in the technocratic, northern major Empire city anymore. I mean,
it does happen if you are an illegal and you're untraceable.
There are absolutely Venezuela and gangs. MS thirteen is in
New York and they mostly do exactly what the Italian
mafia did. Before the CIA NFBI penetrated it and made
it an international arm of crime. It was basically just
an ethnic protection racket in Queen's and it kept that
border solid for where those neighborhoods were, because not only
would like, good, well meaning people of other ethnic groups
come into those neighborhoods, the criminals certainly wouldn't. And you
certainly wouldn't want to be one of the first families
from a different group to move. And I'm not talking
about black and white. If you were Polish and you
tried to move into an Italian neighborhood. I know this
is a fact because I was fighting the kind of
ethnic battles in the local park that were there were
the kind of secondhand fights that you know in quotes,
our fathers were fighting.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: There was when the Pollocks came in to the Italian neighborhood,
the German neighborhood, the Irish neighborhood, the kind of neighborhood
that I grew up in. It was a big problem.
I mean it was. It was not oh, they're just whites. No, no, no,
they weren't whites. They didn't speak English. They spoke this weird,
annoying language. And I'm telling you this from the perspective
of what I grew up hearing. I remember growing up
and I grew up in a German neighborhood, although most
of my friends were Italian, but I was going to
their neighborhood saying out with them. I grew up in
a German neighborhood. And when Pope Francis became the Pope,
I remember my neighbor going, oh, they elected the Indian,
you know, meaning like Native American. She goes, oh, they
elected an Indian to be the Pope. And I'm thinking,
and I'm going, hold on, Argentines, are Germans like you, right?
But they didn't see it that way, even though they
were Catholic, they did not see it that way. It
was New York for most of its history was particularist. Politically,
it was particularist. It's only concern these ethnic neighborhoods. Only
concern was how well is our group doing in our neighborhood,
And for some reason doing that, it became the greatest
city in the world, the most powerful city in the world,
the most stable city in the world. I mean, after
the riots during the Civil War, there was step until
the Civil Rights era there was market stability and prosperity. Again,
it must teach us something, I think it has to
teach us something about the way the big city has
to be organized in order to prosper and about how
that is changing. And the thing I guess, Pete that
I wonder is well, I don't really wonder, but it's
kind of a rhetorical thing to get your take on it.
New York City was great when it was a tribally
organized set of cells that consisted of largely European heritage groups,
including immigrants, small cells of black heritage Americans. These were
not Africans, you know, they were coming from the South.
And the small, not very influential Hispanic community that was
one or two of the cells. And that was what
New York was made up with. Now will New York
prosper when that town that I grew up in, which
was solidly German, becomes solidly Venezuelan. That is to say,
is it the mixing that's the problem? Is it the
is it the kind of uh regime of multiculturalism that
is the problem, or is it the full replacement of
still mono ethnic groups. Because we love to talk about
not WI, you and I, but there's a huge conversation
that goes on about opposing multiculturalism as creating ethnic blocks.
I don't necessarily think you can do, which I think
this is the mind of you know, not the normy conservatives.
But let's say the Daily Wire, the most extreme of
the Daily Wire guys, they go, well, you know, the
Venezuelan neighborhood is fine. You go there, and you go
to the Venezuelan neighborhood and that's where you get great
Venezuelan food. And as long as they kind of keep
to themselves and you know, we whites we can kind
of keep to ourselves in this part of the neighborhood.
Is that really gonna work? Or was it because of
the composition of people at the time, not the architecture
and how the architecture isolates new groups of people. I
happen to think you look back and you go between
the nineteen tens and the nineteen sixties late fifties in
New York, and you go, yeah, the groups were ethnically segregated.
But it's a matter of the total population of what worked.
And so it's not really the architecture of separation that
I think seems to matter. It's obviously the composition. And
this is something I think, like as we're you can
see the right wing that's like, I don't know, you
know me, I watch a lot of slop. I watch
a lot of slop. I watch all those Daily Wire guys,
and you see all the Daily Wire guys. They're kind
of moving towards a more right wing rhetoric. But you know,
if you pushed him on it. And this includes Charlie
kirk Man, I mean, it really includes Charlie kirk who
I think was some of his ideas on Israel, in
the relationship with the Jewish cartel in this country, to
the waspy you know, the waspy conservative movement. I think
he was realizing like that was a one sided game.
But I you know, you got this new guy. Have
you seen this new guy, Brylin Holly Hens, have you
seen this I don't even know if guy is the
right word.
Speaker 1: Well, the way I describe him is is that he
was created in a test tube in Unit eighty two
hundred Intellivision to be a sex slave for all of
the degenerate sodomites the in the city, and he just
broke free and came to the United States.
Speaker 2: Well, my theory is that he's Chinese. I'm sure you've
seen my theory about it. If you look at a
picture of him next to a white person, there's no
way that he's not Chinese. I'm just saying that guy
is absolutely Chinese. But you see Brylan hollyand and the
people who back him. Ben Shapiro and his message to
the crowd recently was sure, we got to get more
legal immigration. You know, he's going we need more good
immigrants to come to this country. And listen, whatever you
think about immigrant, I don't hate immigrants at all. I
grew up in New York City. I'm as rootless and
cosmopolitan as they get. I really am. But we can't
pretend here. I mean, we cannot pretend here. Samuel Huntington.
One of Samuel Huntington's final works, I think it was
actually his last book, and it was the most prophetic
of them. It was called Who Are We. For a
while I wanted to do a series on it, and
I mean, the long story short of the thesis is,
you know the American idea, and look, maybe you're a libertarian, individualist,
realist when it comes to the way you view the
function of the government, it's really just individuals in there
who are pushing their own agendas and that's how politics manifest.
I'm partial to that issue. It's fine, but regardless. So
what I mean to say is, maybe it's not all
American idealism that matters. Right America is America is a
white Protestant nation founded on the principles of European of
English common law and European civil law. Right, So that's
a notion that I would say even more hardline right
wingers believe, and that's the notion that they carry. And
Samuel Huntington's last book, Who Are We, one of the
things that it concerns itself with is so you have
to go along with the ideological view of America. I
don't necessarily go along with that view of America, but
I know many people on the right too, so you'll
follow along just fine with it. Samuel Huntington is basically
saying America's systems, the bureaucracy, how it's built something deeper
than just the notions that we see when we walk
into the courtroom, the actual structure of it. What is
going to happen when you enter the simulacrum phase of
American government where the people participating it don't even resemble
in theory the people who it was set up to
cater to. So as part of the conversation that Alexander
Dugan is always having, you know, what systems of government
are right for what people in the world. And obviously,
you know it's ridiculous to say we're just going to
go were there and make those Afghans democrats. And we
all knew that was retarded, right, excuse my French, we
all knew that that was retarded. But in America, it's
not just nation building abroad, right when you insert people
who are simply the system is simply not built to
cater to what happens. Well, probably the same thing that
happened in Afghanistan when they tried to introduce democracy, they
spit on it. And then they kept doing the little
dance with the men who addressed as women. They kept
doing their own thing. Afghans, they kept doing their own thing.
So when the people come in who the Anglo American
system of government simply does not cater to by the
base nature of how different groups of people interact with
one another, Ethnic cartels form, ethnic superstitions take over. I mean,
this practically happened with Italians, you know. I mean this
is not going to fool anybody who's old enough or
people who are woke to the issue, but the introduction
of Catholic ethic neighborhoods into New York. You know, you
can watch the movie Gangs of New York to see
what kind of things were going on on the ground.
This is a fair depiction of what was going on
on the ground. It was chaos. It was total chaos.
And what moved in to solve that problem, well, the
different ethnic groups didn't just segregate themselves. The police force
came in to enforce that. And what happened in the
civil rights regime in New York. The police came in
to enforce a new regime. And what is coming in
now to New York, Well, Mom, Donnie and Katari money.
And I look at the camera when I say Katari money.
Katari money is now coming in to fill in the
void that has been left by the fact that New
York has totally disintegrated from the original systems and structures
like the Borough system, that were made and design to
accommodate that kind of ethnically organized and tribalized system. Now
you have Venezuelans, and you have Indians, and you have Chinese,
and none of these people are going where we came from.
In our countries, there was no like town hall situation,
which was how Queens was organized. Town halls and queens
were a huge part of how things got up the
political ladder. They don't organize this way. Churches, Catholic churches
and where I grew up in Queens were the center
of cultural life. There are no Catholic churches that the
place where my father and his father and his father
all went to school, Saint Pancras, is gone. It's been
it's gone, and I think they're replacing it with apartment
buildings because the new you know, organizational system is building
by building basements. I saw this in Miami too. The
place where now the community goes to organize is in
the basement of the building that their residents in. It's
a highly particularized thing that is happening in New York.
And I do think this Mom Donnie guy is coming in,
you know, and they make sure that he goes out
there and he says all the things, We're going to
arrest net and Yahoo, sure you are, buddy, Sure you are.
Does anybody believe this? Does anybody really believe that the
Mamdanni thing is a communist takeo? And by communist, you know,
I mean it's a disintegratory rebellion against New York City.
How dumb have you got to be? Mam Donni is
the consolidator. It is precisely the fact that Mam Donnie
is a non factor, ethnically ambiguous know nothing that is
going to allow what really runs New York City, which
is to say, the workers' unions and the teachers union,
which is increasingly becoming more and more lived hearted. This
is these So the fact that Mom Donnie is actually
an anti executive is precisely what New York is now
going to do to continue what it was that Bill
de Blasio was trying to do during COVID, which was
to create a new New York identity. Do you remember
during COVID all of the stuff that de Blasio was doing,
and I don't mean eating the French fries and shit.
Do you remember when we were coming out of the lockdowns,
there was this big Bill de Blasio plan with all
these fat women doing ballet, and he was going, We're
bringing art back to New York City. Do you remember this?
Do you remember that advertisement?
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I believe me, I would remember.
Speaker 2: That We're bringing culture back and it's these fat, horrific
women doing ballet and stuff. They are realizing that New
York City is going to collapse any day now because
there is no cultural solidarity left in the city. So
what they're planning on doing now is using the teachers' unions,
the public grocery stores. I mean, all of Mamdani's plan
is to make it so that the people who are
now coming into New York City do not need to
have any kind of ethnic organization or solidarity with the
form of government. The government is going to give them
their means of survival, and they're going to power the
city's engine for long enough that they can be replaced
by Tesla robots. That's the new plan. They realize that
because there's no ethnic solidarity left between neighborhoods, between religions
left in New York City, just put the Ugandan Muslim
guy in. Who is going to help us create public
grocery stores? Who is going to help us? What they
want to do is they want to raise the price
of the MTA and the subway system so high that
they can make the argument it would be better that
people just pay taxes for it. Because you remember, it's
only been thirty years since the MTA has been consolidated
into like one true company. I mean it was the
ninety I don't know if you remember, but used to
take the Green Subway and the Red subway. Those were
different companies. They were fulfilling, you know, different orders. Well,
they consolidated into the MTA, and now they want to
make it the price of getting on a bus so
expensive that they can just pitch it that Okay, fine,
we'll keep it at this stable price, but your taxes
will have to go up, you know, the endless creation
of the renter class in this country, the surfs that
the elites in New York basically need to run the
city for long enough before they can replace them with robots.
I mean, that is what's coming, and that's what's really coming.
I hope not to be too conspiratorial here, but I mean,
think about it for one second. They tolerated as long
as they could the ethnic solidarity in New York by consequence,
you know, that was how they kept stability in New
York before. But New York is total a narco tyranny now.
I mean I was up there, and you know it's
not crime. I mean, it's not violent crime that makes
up a narco tyranny always. I just I just finished
recording an episode of Mystery Babylon, which we do on
my Patreon. I did it with pause, and the subject
of the episode was the Masonic axiom order from chaos,
which you can sometimes see when you go into the
you know, the various halls of legislative power in our country,
you'll see that that axiom sometimes order out of chaos.
That's the real thing that's going on in New York
City is not violent crime, even though that's going up
because they need that in order to put more police
on the subway or to do all the shit that
they want to do. The real order out of chaos
that's coming in the chaos is as we're driving, I
see fewer stores in the storefronts and more people with
trucks on the street selling shit, more stands where they
sell shitty T shirt. These migrants come in and they
sell these shitty print T shirts and fake rolexes, and
I mean all this bullshit, and I'm not kidding. Fewer
and fewer storefronts, actual propped up businesses like you would think, Uh, okay,
I gotta go get my car wash. Where do I go?
You go to a car wash In most cities, you
go to a car wash. My dad goes. I'll show
you where we get car washes. Now, and this isn't
the three years that I've been gone. Basically the three
or four years that I've been gone. He takes me
to this block, this street, which conveniently actually is near
that Jewish cemetery I've been talking about, because we're all
in this neighborhood, and going down the block is these
white vans of guys, and they make it known they
all have Venezuela and flags like somewhere on their vehicles
because they're so proud to be from Venezuela. That's where
they left. Certainly couldn't be a humiliation technique, right, So
they have these Venezuela flags, and I'm telling you ten
or twelve of these white vans, and each one of
them has a huge water tank and a generator and
a sprayer and all this stuff. And it's two guys
and they'll give you a full detailing and clean your
car forty bucks, forty dollars. And there's forty of these
guys lined up on this long street. And I'm going
none of these guys have a license to be doing
this this And we've seen cop cars pass by. They
don't give a shit. No, their orders are this is
what's supposed to happen. And increasingly car washes are closing,
increasingly getting into a storefront. I mean, every business that
I liked, every restaurant I liked, is closed. But my goodness,
can you go to a hall loll cart and get
your shitty, you know, your rat with white sauce that
they feed you. That's what you have now is your
slop fed to you on the side of the road.
So this is the plan. Is it's increasingly the creation
of chaos in order that they can swoop in at
some later time and consolidate again. And that's partially I
think what's going on right now in our country. In
many ways, they are now consolidating many things that the
previous administration made chaos out of. That's how it's supposed
to work. Some way, they kind of will participate in
the same dialectic. But that's the state of New York
now is. I know you said, Pete that you really
did never want to go back, but you know, if
you do go back, I want you to look for chaos.
And I don't mean violent crime, and I don't mean
that kind of stuff. I mean just on the street.
And I don't even mean traffic. I mean stuff that
didn't happen twenty years ago. Situations of like people selling
shit on the street and garbage just everywhere all over
the street because I guess they don't run garbage all
the time anymore in many places. And so this is
what is happening in you know, the Golden American City,
like the greatest American city without a doubt, And so
don't think like when Mom Dannie is coming in, that
this is some kind of socialist upheaval of an otherwise
orderly city.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent a continuation of de Blasio.
It is one hundred a continuation of before de Blasio.
Really it was Mayor Adams. It was Eric Adams who
was kind of like the law and order guide. They
pushed it too far, and then he came in and
he instituted a kind of unspoken stop and frisk because
they could finally sell it to all of the like
new minorities who come in, like the Indians and things
like that, the people who are now getting robbed and going,
wait a minute, we're supposed to live in this country
without any fear of anything. So they finally bring the
law and order guy back in. He cleans up a
few things, then they catch him on some corruption charge,
push him out, and guess what the corruption charge is?
The excuse that they used to go, we need a
new kind of politician, Mom Donnie, and they push Mom
Donnie and guess what Mom Donnie is. He was a
school he was a student president. That's his qualifications that
he was a student president at his school. He's going
to do exactly what they want, which is to say
kind of sign documents and go okay, I guess so.
And that's the choice that you've been given. The other
choice if you didn't want mom, Donnie, is you a guy,
Get a guy like Andrew Cuomo who wears nipple rings
and brags about having anal sex with prostitutes and things
like that, So you can have that or the other thing.
And either way New York will just continue the way
that it was supposed to go along. You know, that's
the salads designed.
Speaker 1: I mean, this can't happen unless people and groups start
falling apart social there's no social cohesion. So we talked about,
you know, nineteen fifty sixty five in the Civil Rights Act.
But something else happened in nineteen sixty five that I
wonder if you know, it wasn't something that you know,
maybe not immediately, but eventually snowballed and snowballed and led
to even less social cohesion amongst a religious group that
was even you know, even when you have even when
the teachers' union is sixty percent Jewish, this other this
other group has a lot of power in that city.
But it seems like everything since nineteen sixty five, because
nineteen sixty five was, you know, a war on not
only they know, basically instituting a race warr instated a
race war, but also to try to weaken a church
that had very very strong ties in the community.
Speaker 2: I think you're totally right. I don't know if you
want me to not name the thing that we're talking about,
but I'll have to do it. And that is why
you're talking about that, I know, Yeah, that is why
you know. The Vatican two was started under Pope John
the twenty third, but it was finished under Pope Paul
the sixth. But that's the thing that we need to remember,
is that it was finished under Pope Paul the sixth.
He was the second president of Vatican two. And it's
not a coincidence that Vatican two occurs in nineteen sixty
five and at the very same time the Catholic Legion
of Decency, which was founded in nineteen thirty three, and
it led to a golden age of film and not
just a golden age of fame.
Speaker 1: But the Hayes Code is slowly is slowly being phased
at at that point, you know, nineteen sixty eight it's
completely abolished.
Speaker 2: That's right. And well, in nineteen sixty five it was reorganized.
The Catholic Film Decency League was reorganized, it was reorganized
into the National Catholic Office for Motion Pictures. And what
that meant was it was reorganized in a manner that
undermined it completely, because by nineteen eighty it ceased to exist.
Fifteen years, it lasted, ceased to exist, and people forget that,
you know, for all the all the wasps rag on Catholics,
I mean, between nineteen thirty three and nineteen sixty five,
Catholics were ensuring that all of the films in Hollywood
ascribed to a certain code of decency which was totally unobjectionable.
And not only was it unobjectionable, but look at what
you get immediately afterwards, I mean immediately afterwards, once it
ceases by nineteen eighty you have MTV and look, I'm
not I love rock and roll. It's demonic, though, I
mean is it is demonic, and it is meant to
replace moral decency. So like, I get it, you know,
but this is what the plan was all along. And
I don't mean that literally in terms of Vatican two,
although I have my issues with I mean, I think
it's in arguable that the mission of Vatican two was
to appeal to a modern person and get more people
in the seats. That was the mission. It's unequivocally failed
in that mission. So I don't you know, you can
say whatever you want. There are people who will detract
and say it was heretical. There are people will say
it wasn't heretical. It was a total failure. And that's
where I certainly stayed. It was a total, absolute failure,
and it led to as you as you say, it
led to the solidarity breakup of Catholics throughout the country.
And it's at the same time that all of the
Catholic enclaves start to deplete. You can see in Philadelphia
nineteen sixty five begins the tumbling away of that generation
of Catholics in that city from their solidarity. Same thing
goes on in New York. It actually takes a little
bit longer. In New York, at least in my experience,
there were still strongly Polish Catholic neighborhoods. But the thing
about Polish Catholics is they speak Polish at home. That
was almost the issue with Italians until Italians decided, okay,
we will speak English at home. I know kids growing
up I grew up in the two thousands who spoke
Polish as their primary language. Their grandparents came over to America,
they spoke Polish at home in their primary language. So
there is kind of a cutoff, a borderline, if you will,
of where it becomes inexplicable to be able to continue
the stability that we had in this country between nineteen
thirty three and nineteen sixty five, and again even by
nineteen sixty five, things are really crumbling. But you brought
up a Vatican too, and that really is like, in
my opinion, it wasn't the start of a new era.
It was kind of the capstone of the previous era.
We kind of haven't found our way into the new
Catholic era yet in my opinion. Maybe that'll change, But yeah,
I think that's You're absolutely right. And I'm not knowledgeable
enough on Protestant happenings to know if a similar thing
occurred in Protestantism in the sixties, but I know the
thing that kind of occurred to everybody was, you know,
the Summer of Love. Whatever the schools thought were everything
converged on the mass proliferation of ultraliberal culture into I
actually actually say ultra libertine culture is probably the more
appropriate way to put it into the mainstream. You know,
the watershed rule. Everything is going on to the point where, yeah,
now we're in a fully desacralized and overly sexualized country,
and I think you do start to see a pull back.
But I do wonder I've talked about this with Aaron,
my lovely co host. We're going to be doing in
twenty twenty six a kind of a semi satirical series
of episodes of debates that were going to hold because
what we came to the conclusion of was, again, this
is satirical. But by twenty sixty five, you probably will
have such an atomization of people that you will get
these kind of overlapping polycentric governance forms within the country,
so that you'll have we said, in like in the
Atlanta area, you'll kind of have like the Black reservation
of people, and that will be like the cultural center
of a new Black America. And then we had like
what's going to go on in the Northeast, what's going
to go on in California? And I really think it
if if total atomization of ethnic groups is occurring in
the cities, I mean, what do you think is going
to happen in the area where you live? You know,
the area where you live is going to respond similarly,
and it's going to become a place that offers not
an older way of American life, but a kind of
and I mean, I use the term for lack of
a better one, a kind of way of life that's
vaccinated from the problems going on in big city America,
which I think comes with its own, you know issues.
I mean, for instance, what do you think of the
project of I think his name is Nicholas Arval, the
project of going back to the Land? I mean, what
do you think about that in terms of a project
a response to what is inevitably happening in the big
cities in America.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he seems like he's found a loophole
in the law to be able to escape, you know,
the fact that we don't have freedom of association anymore.
I mean, I think that that's going to happen. I
think that it's pretty much inevitable. I know a lot
of people, you know, don't want to give up the
cities and I would never tell them to. I just
don't want to live in a city anymore. It's just
not conducive to my health. I mean, I just I
feel a whole lot more healthy out living out in
the middle of nowhere. So you know, I used to
tell people leave the cities. Leave the cities. I'm you know,
and if it's for you, it's for you. If you
want to stay and fight for the cities, you know
it's not. But you know, I mean that leads me
to another quot But that leads you to another question.
Is if you do take that like to do what
they're doing with return to the land in Arkansas, do
you you think and I'm asking you, Orto, are things
going to get better? I'm you know, I see, well,
I hear a lot of lip service from Trump about
taking down these networks of you know, leftist ultra violence
and violence. But if that doesn't happen, I mean, there's
no telling what twenty twenty eight is going to bring.
Even if jd Vance does get you know, elected, or
somebody else in the in the Republican sphere gets elected,
there's no guarantee that they're going to, you know, try
to do it. And you still have to answer the question.
The question still needs to be addressed when you have
a managerial regime that's been going on for almost one
hundred years now, can that be fixed without tearing it out?
Rot you know in step.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm of the opinion that it can't. Yeah, can,
and can? I say to you, I know what you
mean when you say can it be fixed? Because you're
talking about from your perspective, can this machine be be
made to do something I wanted to do? But yeah,
I would. I would also I would also argue. I
would also argue, yeah, is it broken? And I don't
think that it is. I think it's doing exactly what again.
I people, actually, everybody has been very accommodating of in
the past year Pause and I have embarked on this
very long journey to listen to the radio series Hour
of the Time, specifically Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon section, which
makes up about forty somethings episodes, and yeah, it's it's
a lot of people don't like woo woo, and I
get that, I really do. But everybody's been very accommodating
of our exploration of it, because, in my opinion, the
system is working exactly as it's designed to work, because
the thing that elites are concerned most about is their
own survival and the maintenance of their particular factions control.
So I don't tend to think elites are one thing.
I think this is where a lot of people get
it wrong. I think there's factions of elites that we
circulate through. And in my opinion, if you just go
by what they tell you at the top of the
Masonic Lodge order from Chaos, then I would answer you
that the machine that you say is broken, that you'd
like to fix and turn towards you, actually isn't broken
at all and is doing exactly what they want it
to do, which is to manufacture crises to the point
where they can consolidate their power into a singular unitary state,
a singular unitary currency, a singular unitary religion, and eventually
a singular unitary race. I think that's exactly what they want.
I think, and again you can say, well, this is
very pie in the sky. Listen. I welcome you to
listen to the thirty something episodes of coverage of Mystery
Babylon that Pause and I have done where we don't
just listen to Bill. I try to update Bill with
my thoughts and on that I've done. Therefore, thirty hours
actually closer probably to fifty, because we go about an
hour and a half each, sometimes two. I've detailed what
I think the kind of natural progression that our elites
have in mind. It looks like, and I think it
very much looks like, a single nation, unitary, and a
single currency, and a single religion and a single race.
So the kind of melting pot idea which was inserted
to our national mythos in the kind of what I
call the second birth of America. You know, not Heritage Americans,
not Civil War Americans, but Ellis Island Americans. Going further,
that plan has always been to make one race out
of America. It has not always been to kind of
keep everybody separate. That was the first plan in America's Yeah,
maybe we can have a Roman Empire style America where
every group has its own nation. Basically, just replace the Indians,
who are a very different tribal nations that war with
one another, make peace with one another, trade with one another,
and otherwise live in their own splot. Let's just replace
them with the ethnic groups that we need to do
the work. We need to make this country the great work.
The Second America came in and said, well, yeah, but
we got to incorporate theosophy. We can't just do masonry now,
we need to do the one root race, the singular religion,
mark of the beast. We need one currency. And again
a lot of this is stressed in like this occult,
exaggeratory language. But this is the plan, I mean, and
if you don't believe it's the plan, what is international communism?
There has been real experiments to do this. I mean,
the Chinese are at the forefront of a fully integratory
system where one day everybody will be Chinese. How do
I know that because the actual Han ethnic group of
Chinese people it's only about three hundred million people. So
why are there a billion and a half Hans. Well,
it's because they changed the definition to make everybody Han.
That's international communism. That's what they want to do here.
They want to replace the first system of America with
the second one, which is international communism integrated under one
unitary form. That's how they consolidate their power. And they're
using New York as an experiment to do that. Momdani
is coming in to see if they can both we
can get everybody eating the same shit from our stupid
public grocery stores. Everybody lives in a rent controlled house
where they have their kids that live there and their
kids that live there. They've created China. I mean, they've
created the Kowloon Walled City. That's like the ideal experiment,
you know that that they the elites would like. So
I know that the kind of journey that I've been on,
people go, well, what about the Jews? And because you know,
as we've talked about it on the show, the Jews
control even everything, right, Pete. I mean they control everything
at all times, in all moments. No other group could
ever possibly be working with them or along. So it's
all just one thing. Look at that one thing. Please
that one thing.
Speaker 1: Please please say psych because people somebody.
Speaker 2: I think I'm serious. Yeah, yeah, no, that that too, Listener,
is a gigantic distraction. Is these uh cosmically Israel brand.
I mean, there's way more going on. You got to
pay attention to the.
Speaker 1: Other one's going on. There's way more going on. But
I mean you have to admit if there is one,
if there's a foreign entity to the United States to
the founding, you know, the first United States that has
basically taking over, not taken over like taken over, but
has instilled their ideology of the culture of critique into everything.
It's them, Well yeah, I mean it is yeah, but
yo too came from somewhere.
Speaker 2: What what you know? This is a that's I mean,
that's the kind of thing is. At first it was
a magical system. It's now become a political system.
Speaker 1: Right and you know you can if you want to
see what the end result of the Kabbala system is,
well look at Gaza city right.
Speaker 2: Now, right, or what it will look like in five
years if this ridiculous plan that for some I don't
even have Hamas really accepted the plan? Who is Hamas?
Can someone answer me that question? Who? Who? Do you remember?
Speaker 1: Do you remember when they were bringing out the when? When?
When when Jewish Twitter flipped out? When they were bringing
out some hostages and they brought out like you can
see it was obviously it was a child in a
cop It was a child sized coffin by a bunch
of guys who were all wearing completely brand new creased uniforms.
I know, and with AK forty seven's that have like
a cogs on them, right, And I'm sitting there going,
so these guys are living underground in brand new uniforms
with twelve hundred dollars sites on their a k's that
just happened to be fit befit with Midwest industries like
dust covers, rail dust covers. Okay, sure, why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's when you ask me who Hamas is? Yeah, I
have no fucking clue.
Speaker 2: Nobody is Hama. I mean everybody and nobody is Hamas.
There is not a group called Hamas. So the guys
that they blew up when they were negotiating with them,
who was that? This is like what honestly, dude, It's
like what the American government did when they were negotiating
with the Indians. They would go into an area where
the Indians were and they would go you're the boss, right,
and some guy would go uh yeah, and they would
go you want one hundred dollars for all this land, right,
and the one guy would go yes, yes, I do,
and then they would send a letter out they would
go Okay, everybody time to move this guy. Your chief
sold this land, and everybody's going our chief. That's what's
going on. In Gaza right now with Hamas, everybody's going,
who is Hamas? Because you killed Heniya, who was only
the representative of kind of one arm of the Palestinian people. Now,
who is Hamas? Nobody? So when they go oh Amas
has accepted the deal? Am I supposed to go, well,
I believe that because that's what it says on the internet.
I'm not in in Gaza.
Speaker 1: How do we know?
Speaker 2: People aren't going around in Gaza going who accepted this?
Who is that? They do that already? I mean there's
two million people there already. If you go on the
ground and you go, uh, who's a Hamas commander, they
would go, I don't know, and we don't know their names.
We don't elect them, all right, and they go it
was an election. They elected Hamas? Who elected who? Who
elected who? It's just such a fake so that you're
when you say look at Gaza city, I say further
to you. And this is not new. AA is talking
about this, and or and everybody's talking about this. Candace
is talking about this, this, Larry Ellison and Tony Blair
are now involved. That is what it's gonna look like. Okay,
in ten years they are trying on Gaza. Now what
New York will look like in fifteen years, twenty years,
biometric security state, and you know what, it's probably going
to be better for the quote Palestinians in the biometric
security state than it was in the open genocide period.
But they're only doing that as a testing ground. This
is essentially when you know, they get out there and
the North Koreans are doing their military strategy runs, you know,
and they're blobbing missiles like a mile off of the
coast of Japan. Because what they will do is we're going, Okay,
we know if we can do it there, we can
just lob it one mile further and we're good to go.
And that's what they're doing in Gaza. They're going, well,
if we can control like a highly radicalized group of
people with biometric data and so we know where they
all are. I mean, what is palenteer paler? The point
of palenteer is that it's meant to predict when crime
will happen. They're going to unload that people were going, oh,
we couldn't find the guy who killed Charlie Kirk. What's
Palentier doing. I don't know. Think about what you just
said think about what you just said. If Palenteer didn't
find the guy, maybe it's because Palenteer wasn't being used
to find the actual guy. I don't know. That's what
they're trying to do. And it is people turn off
because they go, this is black pilling or this is
you know, real conspiracy, this is cuckoo stuff. It's really
not cuckoo stuff. They've been talking about this since Agenda
twenty one in nineteen ninety three. You know, they have
been talking about the one New World Order, which is
where do you think country is that coming out of hours?
It's coming out of our country, that idea, and it's
been that idea since who knows, probably the first America.
So we shouldn't be naive about who the players are
and we you know, I think one thing, one power
that Trump had was that he was so charismatic that
he made everybody go, oh, this team is the good team.
And you see, like this team is the good team.
Slowly is moving into the Republican Party as the good
team because people are rhetorically mixing things up. People are
finding themselves as like, no, we're the real Republicans. You know,
this is the new thing that people are being shoved into.
There's an old GOP and there's a new GOP, and
we're that new GOP, Baby Trump twenty twenty five. And
you're going, so you're a part of the dialectic now,
so you're a part of the system's internal mechanism to
constantly maintain its own security. Where do you think that's
going to lead to the thirty five million necessary deportations?
They went out there and Tom Homan is going, well,
there's three million people who have deported, two point one
million self deports, And you're going, how do you know?
How do you know they filled their paperwork out? You're
gonna tell me that app there's two point one million
or whatever it was people who self deported. What a
crock of shit that is? I'll tell you certainly. I
was just up in New York and I go down
to Miami all the time. I don't know who self deported.
All the neighborhoods that I knew of that were like
illegal hangouts are still full. So I don't know what
people self deported. I tell you, you know, more and more
I become I wouldn't call it conspiratory. It just you
got to remember that old phrase, it's a big club
and you're not in it. I mean, it didn't go away.
It didn't go away. Now, I'm not saying don't trust
anything you hear, but I am saying, consider that the
guy who you know in quotes are your enemy, you know,
really are part of a dialectic to the guys who
quote are your friend. And where is that dialectic going.
I mean you can say, I think you can say, well,
we're taking this country back, we're breaking the dialectic. You
want to hope that right, But I mean, what have
you done? You know, what have you done that's actually
undermined the way the country's currently going into being a
A A A I mean technocratic led a biometric shithole.
What's done it? Because in California, Gavin Newsom just made
it illegal for tech companies to hold people's data after
the deletion of accounts. And people are going yay freedom
or people are going, oh, what is this guy doing
he hates the free market. No, what he's doing is
he's forcing California companies to delete the data of the
Anarco terrorists who operate running their counts. That's what he
wants to do. He is part of the terror that
Trump is now going to come in and use the
insurrection acting and say, guess what, they're real terrorists. They are,
and they really I want nothing more than that one
street in Portland. I want them to just run the
kill dozer through it. Every time I see it. I
want them to just run the kill doozer through it.
But I have to remember like that just because that
team is on TV and they're showing it to you
and going, look, a civil war in America? You know,
is that really the big problem right now? Because I
see a lot of other issues for men of our
concerns going on than like a street worth of you know, Antifa.
It's it's pro wrestling. It's like Triple H running out
there and hitting somebody with a chair, is what it
feels like sometimes you I don't know if you saw
Nick Shirley's videos on YouTube or some of the people
who go with the camera. The new girl who's the
new Michelle Malkin, whatever her name is, Savannah Hernandez. They
go out there and they they put the camera in
the face of these crazy lips, and the crazy lips
stick their tongue on and they go that Satan and
you're supposed to go Is this is this really the problem? Like,
couldn't Ice just kill all these people if they wanted.
I mean, I see they shoot people in the head
with the but they can do whatever they want. Is
this really a problem or is it the problem seems
to be handled. I mean, they're out there, they're not
throwing fire bombs, they haven't killed anybody. Is this really
a problem or is this part of a show? Is
this a containment mechanism to let people steam off?
Speaker 1: I said the other day the thing that I was
most worried about was the fact that you declare war
at home. Now, I'm going to say this with with
the caveat that I have no clue, but you know,
I heard from somebody in an industry that would know
that we're like imminently there's an imminent strike coming against
a country by the United States is going to be
eminently striking a country. And what I said was that
at home, you can say, oh, we're declaring war on
all these people that hate you, and yeah, I believe
that these are these people are anti white, they've bought
into the anti white thing, and they will you know,
they will kill you. And they will. They're destructive and
they need to be destroyed. But you know, is is
the war at home? When you know, when you have
someone going, oh, well, we're going to go out there,
We're going to crush these people and everything like that,
right is some he whispering in their ear in the
other ear going, you know, the best way if you
want to do this to distract from what you're doing
at home is go bomb and start a skirmish somewhere
else overseas. Everybody will concentrate on that and you'll be
able to do what you need at home. But the
problem is is that, as we know, foreign always takes
priority over domestic. So all of a sudden, the foreign
will become where you know, the president or his administration
points all of their resources, and then at home it's like, oh,
you know, we'll arrest someone here and deport some people here,
and people think we're doing stuff, but you know, actually
what we're doing is we're you know, we're getting Venezuela's oil.
Venezuela's sludgy Venezuela is sludgey, shitty oil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's where I was predicting we're gonna
go to war with two. Mexico is possibly also an option.
We should remember. I was talking to a friend of
mine in New York, normal liberal guy. I was like,
here's the places I think we're going to go to war.
He was like, Mexico. Why are we going to war
in Mexico or our neighbor? And I went, could you
please google how many times in this country we've been
to war with Mexico. This is not a foreign concept.
We do it once every fifty years, right, So it's
very possible it could be because the fentanyl is the
perfect excuse to go to war with Mexico, and the
other drugs are the perfect excuse. You saw Haig Seth
calling all the generals and we've got to get tough, right,
and everybody's going, ha ha. He called you know, General
Millie Fat and it's like, yeah, he's telling them to
get tough or get out. Why it wasn't, you know,
pure entertainment. He's going because he's going because we need
to get ready to go to war.
Speaker 1: This is exactly what this is exactly what Stalin did
in Russia. Everybody thinks that the Great Purge was him,
Oh well, Stalin was antisemitics that he wanted to get
rid of all the Jews, and he he was purging
his generals and his officer corps of revolutionaries. Right, these
are all people that were revolutionaries and when revolutionary violence
was needed, they were there. But now he is planning
to invade Europe, so he needs military but he needs
you know, he needs a thousand Zhukovs he doesn't need,
but he doesn't need a bunch of freakin Trotzky's. So
he either killed or exiled all of the revolutionaries he
had in the officer corps, which turned out that a
bunch of them were Jewish.
Speaker 2: Okay, they were just holdovers from the Bolsheviks, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just Bolshevik holdovers.
Speaker 2: Thoshiviks were the real revolutionaries. I mean, they kept going.
They were like, no, wait, Stalin, we gotta keep going.
What do you mean, Stalin goes, Actually, we have a
state now, and we actually we need to need to
expand it the whole like Lucia project is going to
have to wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you guys are you know, we need to
expand it through war. And you guys are not warriors.
You guys are not leaders in a time of war.
And I mean that could what It's pretty much what
you're describing right now. I mean, obviously they're not going
to take them out and shoot them or send them
to you know, get mo or gulags. But that's pretty
much exactly what you were What you're saying could possibly
be happening, as you're not saying, is what's happening.
Speaker 2: No, And I don't also, like I'm not I don't
even know if it's a bad thing. I don't view
these things in good or about I just think it's
an inevitable. A state is primarily secured with concerned with
its own security, and the elites that operated are primarily
concerned with their own security. They don't really I mean
the culture war stuff. You know, it's a cliche to
say this. The culture war stuff is to them a distraction.
They are putting us under it because they know it
distracts us. To us, we go, yeah, it probably is distracting.
You decided to flood schools and libraries with drag queens.
Of course, I'm going to be distracted by solving this problem, right,
So it is a distraction. That doesn't mean you shouldn't
fight it. We absolutely cannot have that. But At the
same time, the level of the culture war is so
much lower than what they are planning on doing, because
the whole thing about Venezuela is it could be the oil.
I think I tend to think maybe it has a
lot to do with the fact that they are a
massive creditor to China. Yeah, they are in so much
debt to China, and the best way that we can
fight our war against China before it goes full new
clear is to just undermine their economy and hope that
a regime change occurs. You know, there's a major collapse.
And if we basically force Venezuela to default, you're not
getting any more money China. Maduro is not paying you
any more money for your oil infrastructure that you built.
You know, they China built all that stuff, not Venezuela.
Venezuela's fund got funds got completely frozen. I mean, they
need They are trying to keep up with the pace
of bricks and that's what I mean. That's what's going
on in Brazil too. Their communist leader that they have
is basically the only party in that region that's keeping
Venezuela afloat, and it's all tied into China. That's really
what they want to do. So I think Mexico maybe,
but I think Venezuela is so likely. I think this
whole like blowing up the boat stuff, they're gauging public
opinion to see how far they need to manufacture it.
Maybe there were narco terrists on those boats. Maybe not.
I mean I tend to believe there were narco terrorists
on those boats because one of the ways Venezuela makes
money is by selling drugs to the American market. I
think they really do do that. That's what pariah states
usually do. But they also sell oil to China. I mean,
they do a lot of things at the behest of
China and otherwise. But they are I mean, they are
in the tank for a massive amount of money to China,
hundreds of billions of dollars to China. And if we
can basically cut that off, I mean, is anybody so
stupid as to go, oh, that Venezuelan opposition leader who
got the Nobel Prize gave it to Trump. What a patriot?
What a patriot I mean she is. She is a
patriot because she, more than anybody else, really wants to
further America's hegemony in the region. That's why she gave
it to Trump. She gave it to Trump so that
Trump could go well, I didn't win it, but the
person who won it gave it to me. You know,
they donated it to me because at the end of
the day, I'm the peace candidate and the Peace Prize
leader knows it, and all that meanwhile will be you know,
regime change in Venezuela would be the easy way. And
again I was talking about this with Carr on an
episode on the Patreon of Over the Line where me
and him just get on there we talk about stuff
that is kind of what we came to the conclusion
of was I mean, you could probably sell the American
public on a regime change war in Venezuela. They've already
been running the rhetoric that Maduro is a drug cartel leader,
which he is, factually speaking, he actually is a drug
cartel leader. They've already been pushing towards the idea that, well,
in multipolarity, maybe we can't win a war against China
for Taiwan, so we might as well shore up our
you know, our near industry. We might as well shore
up the region. And so car and I are going.
Carr is a libertarian. I'm not a libertarian, but we
agree we're going. You could probably sell that war. I
mean you could probably go. Look, it's going to be
a quick six month engagement. We're going to get in there,
clear as Narco terrorists out and go. Now, maybe it
takes us ten years, but you know, the plan that
Wesley Clark outlined for the Middle East took twenty something years.
They have all about complete completed the goal of getting
Israel to be self sufficient enough that it can it
can undergo the Greater Israel project. I mean, once they
got nuclear weapons, how is it not greater Israel in all?
But you know Liban's realm, it basically already is. So
they are doing this now they realize multipolarity is coming,
the unipolar American moment is over, and the only country
in the region who's really our rival is Venezuela, and
they owe a lot of money to China, so we
got to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are saying that this is
just basically like a a continuation of the Monroe doctrine,
except Minro doctrine was obviously passed to stop European expansion
into the into the region. And this is would be
to stop any expansion into the region, that we would
become Hedgemond over the region. The problem is is that
you in order to do that, and if you, if you,
and I'm not saying it's a good thing, because government
sucks at everything it does. What I what I would
say is you can't do that and still be tied
to Israel. You you just can't. I mean, I mean,
if he wants to do this whole thing where Gaza
is rebuilt and turned into you know, the last the
Las Vegas of the uh of the Levant. Oh, I'm sorry,
it wasn't a baby, it used to be that. But
then I don't care. I mean, I know it's if
I don't want to sound like a libertarian, but don't
use tax money for it. Let private investors do it.
I hate the whole you know. Stephen Carson was on
the show. RADLB was on the show with me, and
he went over the whole thing about how basically Israel
has been using the Palestinians, especially the ones in Gaza,
as basically experiment Like that's how they use the experiments
on them with their not only their their their weapons
and technology, but also on their surveillance and so that
they have they have this you know, captive captive population
that they can test all of these things on so
that they can sell them. I don't think the whole
security apparatus looked very good in October seventh, So that's
why most people think it was a false flag or
at least allowed to allowed to happen. But yeah, I mean,
you just can't if you're if you're gonna doom and
road doctrine kind of ship. Yeah, in your hemisphere. Yeah,
I mean, you can't be fucking around, you know, six
thousand miles away on a shitty piece of land where
nothing grows.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think, Although I will say
I'm kind of confounded by this deal, this supposed deal.
My only conclusion to this new deal is that nobody
named Hamas accepted it and it's designed to eventually fail
because they've been talking about greater Israel forever. Greater Israel
is exactly what the United States needs in a multipolar world.
It needs a self sufficient Israel that it remains in
a tentative alliance with in order to secure what means
it needs to secure in the Middle East, but they are.
I mean, the more obvious thing is everybody laughed at
the Stormer idea of the Coalition of the Willing, but
it was just an admit I'm part of Starmer and
Trump that yes, the war is now being handed over.
And it's not just the war that's being handed over.
Everything that comes with that is what's being handed over.
So I expect in not too far of the future
you'll start to see the end of the American occupation
of Europe in NATO, and NATO will still continue to exist,
the United States will still have a kind of consultory position,
but I expect if multipolarity is real and being forced
upon the United States, they will probably prop Europe up
to be able to defend itself against what they view
as the competitive block. In Russia, China just bricks most generally,
and they're trying to do the same thing. In Israel,
they're trying. You know, the nuclear bomb helps, and that's
why they killed Kennedy, so that they could do it
and not have to give them up. And that worked.
So they when they killed Kennedy, they basically secured their
essential existence because of the nuclear weapon, and because of
nuclear deterrence. But now they really and you'll see this
with the most honest of the settler Zionists. Their real goal,
of course, is to secure the Israeli hegemony of the
region that extends from the Euphrates to the Nile. They
don't really have aspirations for anything larger than that. And
when people talk about they want to build the Third Temple, look,
if they wanted to build a third Temple, they want
to build a third Temple with what they just did
to Ganza. If they wanted to confiscate that area, they would, Okay,
there's nobody. There's nobody who's preventing them from from destroying
that mosque and building the Third Temple if they want to.
That stuff is part of the distraction. They want greater Israel.
They want greater Israel because the state of Israel's main
concern is what we just said it a million times.
The concern of every state is the security of that state.
That is the main thing that a state is an organism,
wants to do. It's the same reason why you as
a human you eat food, you breathe, you pray, you
have an immune system. Your main concern is your security.
In as many ways as you can encapsulate that. That
is what every organism's main goal is. That's what the
State of Israel's goal is, and it aligns perfectly with
America's need to kind of get the hell out of
the world. We cannot afford it, we can't back it up.
How many more humiliations do we need? I mean Ukraine
was a major humiliation, a major humiliation. And of course
Trump will never tell you that. Trump will tell you
the Europeans will be able to fight the Russians back
to Moscow. That's a comedy act.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Trump can say whatever he wants. I mean,
the people who did this and design, you know, basically
provoke this. It was Scott hort In a little credit.
They didn't care if there was a win or not.
They just needed they just needed bodies, They needed human
beings to die.
Speaker 2: I mean that is the win. Yeah, that's the win.
Because why did the war happens? Because Russia was provoked
because NATO forces kept inching up and up against their border.
So the war going on. Does who does that serve?
I mean, not one European besides Ukrainians have fought in
this other than you know, the volunteers. So they still
have all Europe ready to go. So who's really losing
And I don't mean who's not putting up a good fight?
I mean in whose interest is the war going at
a stalemate? It's Europe's interest because the weapons, the missiles,
the bases are already pressed up against the border that
they've been pressed up against on. They haven't moved back
at all. This is exactly according to plan I mean.
But it's a humiliation for America, is what I mean.
It is a humiliation for America. Yes, the goal ultimately
is stasis, and the war in Ukrainians stasis.
Speaker 1: But that the people who wanted that war don't care
if it looks bad.
Speaker 2: Oh no, of course they have all of it. They
really have all of it. It's not just that they
have their own hiding place, which yes, they're trying to
set up to be self sufficient. It's not yet, not
yet there, but soon soon it will be. They've got
to get rid of one more rival in the region,
and that's Iran. I expect the United States won't even
involve itself in that though. I think that is the point.
Is they're trying to set Israel up with enough security
that Israel can go and do what it needs to
do in Iran, which is a regime change primarily, or secondarily,
just keep their missile program at fifty percent so that
they can never get a nuke, because when they get
a nuke, it becomes a very different issue for Israel,
a very different problem. Then it's two level of a
playing field, so they need regime change. They'll put the
polovies back in, you know, and it'll go back to
wearing mini skirts and the whole stupid liberal world will go, wow, freedom.
You know, it's crazy, But yeah, that's where we're going at.
That's I've been I don't like to product, you know
I'm producing, but I of Venezuela seems the obvious win.
I mean, it's an obvious and when I say win,
I mean the goals of the American war state will
be achieved. And boy do they need that. And they
could sell it to the American people too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's leave it there. I'm going about an hour
and a half, so I know you've already promoted a
bunch of stuff. Is there anything else you want to promote?
You promoted your whole series and everything, which, yeah, no,
I'm just you know, I'm probably going to Oh no,
I'm definitely going to listen, but probably not until everything's
done and I can just binge it all in one
like a week or something like that.
Speaker 2: I recommend that I do we we uh so I
no plugs, but but I will say this. Normally, I
like to come on and be funny right on some news.
It didn't happen today, now, you know, I will say
trust in holly Hands. That's how all on the episode
trust in Holly Hands.
Speaker 1: I assume that the way they've used that kid already
probably runs around with a diaper.
Speaker 2: Poor kids, So gross? Did you got to free him?
Speaker 1: Have you seen any of like the people asking him
questions and he like, he just malfunc like malfunctions whenever
anyone brings up like America first, and you know, or
he is, you know.
Speaker 2: He's a Franklin scandal victim. I'm convinced.
Speaker 1: Or he goes into his oh you know, we need
legal immigration. It's like shurepal, Yeah, sure, pal, just need
all those need all those subcontinentals coming in, you know,
so that we're so that all of the there's an
app in all of the United States to avoid stepping
in human ship.
Speaker 2: Jesus, it's common. I think it's common, all right, Berto,
thank you, Pe.