Speaker 1: So I'm here with Nate. What's your last name?
Speaker 2: Hornachia?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hallo TV. I didn't know who you were, but
Speaker 1: then three people mentioned you in the same week, and
Speaker 1: then I didn't know they had on YouTube they have
Speaker 1: where it shows the top pages people are watching, and
Speaker 1: you're one of the top pages. I'm like, funck, I
Speaker 1: gotta hit you up. And someone gave me your numbers. Well,
Speaker 1: I know who you were way before. I was a
Speaker 1: big fan of you, way before you knew who I was.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I loved your work as soon as I
Speaker 1: saw your videos, like, oh, this guy's awesome. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I didn't know who you don't want you
Speaker 1: to hear a name then you start seeing it over
Speaker 1: and over.
Speaker 2: We're definitely in the same space of content too.
Speaker 1: So and I'm saying earlier with you, I feel like
Speaker 1: elite elite military guys and elite fighters we get we
Speaker 1: have like the same mindset, not lower level ones that
Speaker 1: are different, but like the guys that are elite. It
Speaker 1: feels just so similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think there's well it's there's combat of
Speaker 2: arts and then there's combat. Yeah, and so like the
Speaker 2: actual action of you know, closing with and destroying the
Speaker 2: enemy in the cage or on the.
Speaker 1: Battlefield, basically identical.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of it goes into that too,
Speaker 2: that the pre train of prep, the discipline that goes
Speaker 2: into learning the skill set to be able to do
Speaker 2: all of what you guys are doing, it's very similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's years of hard work. I'm sure you didn't
Speaker 1: become an elite military guy like overnight, but like most
Speaker 1: guys can't make it. A lot of guys say they
Speaker 1: want to be I'm sure the same with a Green
Speaker 1: Brey or Seal. All the guys tell me, yeah, to
Speaker 1: be in the UFC is like, but then they don't
Speaker 1: want to put in the work when.
Speaker 2: I think there's a statistical percentage that's pretty similar to
Speaker 2: that too. If you look at guys that get to
Speaker 2: like the Navy, Seal, green Beret Delta force level, that's
Speaker 2: point zero zero one percent of the military, whereas the
Speaker 2: guys fighting the UFC.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, and then you have like the top guys
Speaker 1: at the UFC are really another level and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like Delta force for US guys way up here,
Speaker 2: and then you know there's a lower level. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of similarities in between UFC
Speaker 2: fighters and and uh special operators for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a video that just really related to me.
Speaker 1: It was like, don't don't look up to us as heroes.
Speaker 1: It was talking about the Special Forces, but it was
Speaker 1: just like you could have been speaking about fighters. How
Speaker 1: were all little sosopathia. We don't go fight for no reason.
Speaker 1: It's clearly something's a little a little wrong with us.
Speaker 1: But we're also some of the nicest guys, best friends.
Speaker 1: I said, they'll do favors, do this, but they're also
Speaker 1: a little bit something's obviously a little bit off with us.
Speaker 2: So you have to and I talked about in that
Speaker 2: video essentially, don't look at us as role models, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I tell people. I mean, if you think
Speaker 2: about the job of a Green Brayer Navy seal, there's like,
Speaker 2: what is the ultimate? The ultimate job is to essentially,
Speaker 2: I guess some those with destroy the enemy on behalf
Speaker 2: of the United States, and you have to be able to,
Speaker 2: as you said, be a bit of a sociopath because
Speaker 2: you have to be able to do horrible things potentially
Speaker 2: and then still compartmentalize it, come back home, and then
Speaker 2: reintegrate into society the same way you use a fighter.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to get.
Speaker 1: Into a cage, try to kill someone, try to kill.
Speaker 2: Someone, and then walk back out of that cage and
Speaker 2: be a normal, functioning member of society.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's which not all of you managed to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know some guys do do anything, but a
Speaker 1: lot of us do. Ye that. As you said, a
Speaker 1: lot of times, we're excellent fathers, husbands, but we're kind
Speaker 1: of sociopath and that you have to be aware of that.
Speaker 1: For guys not be aware of that, it's like we're
Speaker 1: not try to be role models.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to be able to willing. You
Speaker 2: have to be willing to hurt people and then be
Speaker 2: able to justify that at least maybe not as a
Speaker 2: good thing, but as justify a bowl. Right, And it
Speaker 2: takes a very specific type of person to do that.
Speaker 1: I think, No, Like, when I'm fighting, I would kill
Speaker 1: someone without thinking twice thankfully never had, but like, that's
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do, and I'd be willing to
Speaker 1: die in there. I always tell fighters you shouldn't fight
Speaker 1: unless you're willing to die and willing to kill your opponent.
Speaker 1: My last fight, I didn't feel like I was willing
Speaker 1: to die, and I lost. That's when I retired. I go,
Speaker 1: I wasn't willing to die that night.
Speaker 2: Part wasn't in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm not going to die out here, why
Speaker 1: am I out here? Yeah? I have one fight, you know,
Speaker 1: like when Dan Henderson dropped me twice came back and won,
Speaker 1: just because I was so determined. I was willing to
Speaker 1: die that night, you know, on floor. But I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fucking quit. And that's if you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be fighting unless you're willing. If you have that
Speaker 1: kind of dedication and seriousness, and you're obviously the same,
Speaker 1: you got to be willing to die and kill.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's that's so funny you say that
Speaker 2: is even trying to get through the training pipeline, the
Speaker 2: Green Bray training pipelines upwards of like two years long,
Speaker 2: and it's you and imagine when like your train ups,
Speaker 2: right your fight camps, I'm sure you just physically getting
Speaker 2: destroyed every single day. Yeah, and in our train ups,
Speaker 2: I mean that's there's times where you like you think
Speaker 2: like they're going to kill me. There's no way that
Speaker 2: like you can even make it through this.
Speaker 1: But you have to just be like mentally pushed through.
Speaker 2: Well if they kill me, they kill me, yeah, just
Speaker 2: to make it through. You know, that's the type of
Speaker 2: people that are going to make it through that type
Speaker 2: of long elae style training as a guy that's just like,
Speaker 2: I'll never quit and you have to kill me exactly. Now,
Speaker 2: they're not gounn at Luckily they're not going to kill
Speaker 2: you in training.
Speaker 1: Right, but you have to have that mindset because on
Speaker 1: the battlefield they will kill you. But yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to be willing to die at least hopefully you hopefully
Speaker 1: you won't die, but you have to accepted it, but
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 2: And on the battlefield there's potentially times where you are
Speaker 2: going to fight to the death. We've seen that even
Speaker 2: with the American military a lot of combat operations. It's
Speaker 2: like you can't just roll up in a ball and
Speaker 2: be like I'm done my anxiety. You know, there's no
Speaker 2: different tap out in the middle of a in a gunfight.
Speaker 1: So like one, are you's going to die?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know likely you know, it's very like
Speaker 1: obviously it's higher stakes what you're at, but it's still
Speaker 1: very similar. You know, the adrenaline of fighting, because a
Speaker 1: couple million people watching. Sometimes you add that on, that's
Speaker 1: pretty fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: We was watching the Roadhouse movie with Jake Jonhall, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's a scene where he like as he's like
Speaker 2: walking out and you just see it from from behind
Speaker 2: him and it's the entire crowd, and I was thinking
Speaker 2: to myself, I'm like, how I've never experienced. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: crazy that I've experienced the adrenaline of gun fighting, which
Speaker 2: is probably it's probably very similar similar, but like for
Speaker 2: you guys to walk out with an entire arena.
Speaker 1: That's the craziest part when you walk out. When I
Speaker 1: fight George Saint Pierre, there sixty thousand people. We were
Speaker 1: the main event. I look up because the US arenas
Speaker 1: holds like twenty thousand at most. Yeah, so like three
Speaker 1: times that, like the biggest arenas in the US. The fights.
Speaker 1: I'm looking up being like, oh my god. But then
Speaker 1: I go, Okay, George is gonna have to walk out
Speaker 1: and deal with the exact same thing I'm dealing with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's insane. And then you got to
Speaker 2: get in the cage with somebody who's going to try
Speaker 2: to kill you.
Speaker 1: Exact front of like the best fighter in the world
Speaker 1: who's trying to kill you and millions watching at home.
Speaker 1: So but but you know, like you ask, you know,
Speaker 1: you have yourself trained where you're ready to go. You
Speaker 1: couldn't just I couldn't just walk and randomly do that
Speaker 1: right now. But your training so hard your whole life,
Speaker 1: you get man, I'm sure when you're on missions, you
Speaker 1: probably get mentally prepared psyched up.
Speaker 2: For us, it's a like before we get on the helicopter,
Speaker 2: like right before, like everybody's just right before to everybody's
Speaker 2: on the flight line. The helicopters roll in, and you're like, dude,
Speaker 2: you're amped through the gills. The rams come down, everybody
Speaker 2: loads up and get ready to fly in and do
Speaker 2: that adrenaline it's gone.
Speaker 1: You guys stay kind of chill before and then right
Speaker 1: before you get like serious, I mean, dude, like.
Speaker 2: Uh, as a younger dude, when you're on your first
Speaker 2: couple of missions, it's like.
Speaker 1: You're amped up.
Speaker 2: But then you're guys like this, But then you'll see
Speaker 2: some of the older guys that you know, uh, some
Speaker 2: of the senior guys on my team chilling would be
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they're just like, Okay, it's the fiftieth one
Speaker 2: of these, you know what I mean. So everybody I
Speaker 2: think is nervous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always nerves, but it's not like you don't
Speaker 1: want that over amped up. You learn when you get older.
Speaker 1: When you're young, you're like, oh yeah, amped up about
Speaker 1: to probably like that in the same but you get older,
Speaker 1: you got that little nerve, but you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: stay relaxed, breathe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's not just like you're just gonna
Speaker 2: run out there in some gladiator style event, like we're
Speaker 2: doing some type of strategic counter terrorism operation to where
Speaker 2: there's like it's like a chessboard, right, and like you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's yeah, very technical.
Speaker 2: Where everything's technically like you're moving, maneuvering units and doing
Speaker 2: different things to be able to get through.
Speaker 1: So you have it all pre planned out before you
Speaker 1: days go everything how large the missions were used as
Speaker 1: a very lot or use a certain sized team.
Speaker 2: So for in Green Berets, the way we operate is
Speaker 2: completely different than every other military unit in the world,
Speaker 2: and that we only have a twelve man team. So
Speaker 2: there's only twelve Americans, and the way we do it
Speaker 2: is we actually train foreign nation forces and then we
Speaker 2: fight with them. So what we do is we train
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, for example, we did train up in Afghanist
Speaker 2: and Afghani force and then take out their commandos with
Speaker 2: maybe fifty or sixty guys, and then we lead them
Speaker 2: to counter terrorism operations. So it's not like you know,
Speaker 2: the rangers or the Seals they got, it's all just
Speaker 2: them fifty American You're having.
Speaker 1: To trust these Afghan guys that they're.
Speaker 2: Not is that But with only twelve guys, we're hitting
Speaker 2: targets that are as big as a target that an
Speaker 2: infantry unit would hit because we have sixty or seventy guys.
Speaker 2: But you're split up into different elements right across the battlefield,
Speaker 2: and so you may only have one other American with
Speaker 2: you wo with ten to fifteen Afghans and so it's
Speaker 2: me my buddy in the middle of the night, you know,
Speaker 2: and then I've got fifteen Afghans with me and that's
Speaker 2: where we're going to engage in this gunfight.
Speaker 1: You have to hope they stay loyal and how.
Speaker 2: Are an interpreter? We didn't miss.
Speaker 1: So because they have a lot of pride there, but not.
Speaker 2: In Afghanistan the Afghans, So there's different levels. There's the
Speaker 2: Afghan National Army, the Afghan police. These are like you
Speaker 2: never know if you're gonna get shot in the back
Speaker 2: or not from these type of guys. Then you have
Speaker 2: the community so hard to work with people like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so green Berets tip we weren't working with so you're not.
Speaker 1: With the with them.
Speaker 2: But we'll have like the commandos, which are gonna be
Speaker 2: like a little bit higher trained force. And then they
Speaker 2: have the actual Afghan or Afghan special Forces that are
Speaker 2: guys that actually went through an army special Forces pipes
Speaker 2: Afghan trained by American Green Berets and so they're an actual.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: So those guys are are pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's good. Then you're not like we just total like scrub.
Speaker 2: But I mean in you know, I've been in some
Speaker 2: pretty big gunfights, one in near ambush, and you know
Speaker 2: when it comes to that crazy situation, you'll be lucky
Speaker 2: if they'll just shoot back and not.
Speaker 1: We'll freeze up or runner like yeah, right, like that's.
Speaker 2: If they if they like will just shoot back, it'll
Speaker 2: help some Yeah, and then you're like okay, that's that's,
Speaker 2: that's good enough.
Speaker 1: Well back to fighting. I was fortunate that Diaz brothers,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I know when we would get
Speaker 1: we had some brawls, some televised, some not. I know,
Speaker 1: they would never run any circumcisces. It didn't matter how
Speaker 1: numbered we we'd go down together, you know. And that'd
Speaker 1: like usually one of those situations we stay back to back,
Speaker 1: like fuck it, bro, we're going to go down together.
Speaker 1: But then a lot of times people will break after
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Speaker 2: Come and get what they want to take right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had we had the worst situation we were in
Speaker 2: with one in the near ambush I was in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had basically all of our Afghans basically went in
Speaker 2: the proNT. We were in an open field walking up
Speaker 2: to a big compound and got ambush. Didn't realize there
Speaker 2: was ten insurgeons inside, and our Afghans basically just laid
Speaker 2: down and in the open field as we're basically taking
Speaker 2: machine gun fire PKM fire, and uh yeah, it turned
Speaker 2: to really turned into like four green berets having to
Speaker 2: maneuver up and then actually like eliminate the target because
Speaker 2: there's limits of that, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean. But it's what I learned. I was
Speaker 1: playing as a paintball team with Dan Blazarian for a while.
Speaker 1: I learned how important working as a team is because
Speaker 1: we could beat a better team if we were working
Speaker 1: better as a team, or we could have a better
Speaker 1: team and lose. Yep, you realize, Wow, it's really crucial
Speaker 1: working with each other, covering for each other. Obviously it's different,
Speaker 1: but there is similarities. Yeah, Like you're like, wow, working
Speaker 1: as a team makes such a difference, and how much
Speaker 1: better you can get as a fighter, Like off paintball
Speaker 1: is different, but just you know, after six months, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it got better because all the same same people,
Speaker 1: a bunch of new guys came and first game killed
Speaker 1: the whole team, Like, oh, oh shit, this is like
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I got in good. I just wiped
Speaker 1: out the whole team by myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and that's exactly what can happen in
Speaker 2: combat with you know, you could have four Green Berets
Speaker 2: or maybe seals and you'd have thirty untrained alban.
Speaker 1: Such a difference. I didn't realize it now, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't even that good. I was just like mid level,
Speaker 1: you know, but because I was playing with the good
Speaker 1: guys in like six months, Oh, I just took out
Speaker 1: like five a whole team. So I know the angles
Speaker 1: to shoot at the way is not to get shot yep?
Speaker 1: How to stand? Do you guys do like aerosoft or
Speaker 1: paintball stuff to train?
Speaker 2: So we have simulation rounds.
Speaker 1: So basically it's even better than painting.
Speaker 2: It's our regular guns and then you swap out the
Speaker 2: you swap out the bolt carrier and allows you to
Speaker 2: shoot basically what is a paintball round?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that helped so learning the angles
Speaker 1: you could shoot out shots. It's just like it seems
Speaker 1: like they'd be so useful to military strategy fighting with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we do that. And then so we have
Speaker 2: shoot houses where we do you know, work on our
Speaker 2: CQB close quarter battle and things like that, and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we do. We have OP four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll usually you know, send the new guys in.
Speaker 2: So the new guys in because you know, getting shot.
Speaker 2: These simulation rounds are you know, a lot worse than paintballs.
Speaker 1: They fired like it's more realistic. They don't quite the
Speaker 1: realistic fire. It's still very helpful, I think, but it's
Speaker 1: the shoot you know, it shoots it. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a real bullet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well it's an actual real bowl cartridge where
Speaker 2: it's shooting a paint round. So like you get hit
Speaker 2: with them, and it's gonna so it's way quicker and
Speaker 2: straighter and it hurts man.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a it's a course correcting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want you don't want to get heck.
Speaker 2: With assimulation round and you're like, oh, I'm never gonna
Speaker 2: do whatever I just did. I'm not going to peek
Speaker 2: my head out around that corner again.
Speaker 1: Because Dan has like a paint well field at his house.
Speaker 1: It's like, so, no, he does. But I got kicked
Speaker 1: off the team. So no, I just couldn't do like
Speaker 1: because they're doing three, they're doing three four days a week,
Speaker 1: and I was so busy right now another point in
Speaker 1: my life could have but I podcast and ship, so you.
Speaker 2: Didn't have four days.
Speaker 1: I was a little buddy, hundred percent understanding. You know,
Speaker 1: well you need to do that to get good at something.
Speaker 1: Do you know that. Let's go back to your uh,
Speaker 1: start with your your your career a little bit, or
Speaker 1: just how you got started, like how did you get
Speaker 1: in military, like what you're doing before that? Did you
Speaker 1: go right out of high school or no?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I went to college for a couple of years at
Speaker 2: the University of Oregon. I was on I always like
Speaker 2: to everybody gives me shit for this. I was on
Speaker 2: the University of Oregon cheerleading team Division one athlete.
Speaker 1: By the way, lots of girls you're throwing around though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always tell people.
Speaker 2: Everybody jokes around about that, But I always tell young guys,
Speaker 2: I'm like, if any if I could go back, if
Speaker 2: any sport I would actually have focused on, it would
Speaker 2: have been cheerleading. Because he's like the University of Oregon,
Speaker 2: right is known as like the hottest cheerleading team in
Speaker 2: the nation.
Speaker 1: Really they know that, and.
Speaker 2: So yeah, funny story about how how I ended up
Speaker 2: doing it. I had a buddy of mine that was
Speaker 2: a running back for the Ducks that I went to
Speaker 2: high school with towards a cl basically a career was over,
Speaker 2: and so he went out and joined the cheerleading team.
Speaker 2: And then we were out one night at the bar
Speaker 2: and he walked up to me and he's like, Hey,
Speaker 2: you should come out to tryouts for the Organ Duck
Speaker 2: cheerleading team tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, that's that sounds gay.
Speaker 2: Like that's so fucking gay. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: And he was like, really the opposite of gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think.
Speaker 2: About it right, And he was like, just show up,
Speaker 2: just show up for one day. And it's at the
Speaker 2: basketball court and uh, He's like, just show up tomorrow
Speaker 2: for one day. And I'm like, all right, fucking whatever, man,
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, okay, cool. So I show up,
Speaker 2: I walk in them gymnasiums open and this is basically
Speaker 2: like the UFC for nineteen year old girls, right for them,
Speaker 2: So cheerleading like the lead of the word Kentucky cheerleadings
Speaker 2: like the Pinnacle interesting for them, right, this is like
Speaker 2: going to play for you know, North Carolina if you
Speaker 2: a basketball player. So I walk in the gym and
Speaker 2: I'm twenty twenty one years old. Time walk in the
Speaker 2: gym and there's like one hundred of the hottest nineteen
Speaker 2: year old girls I've ever seen in my life in
Speaker 2: uh spandex shorts and sports bras, and it's like all
Speaker 2: the guys are over here like stunting and throwing the
Speaker 2: girls around. And I like, as soon as I walk
Speaker 2: in that gay I see him and he was like
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I could I could see.
Speaker 2: I could see. And so I did that for a
Speaker 2: couple of years. Uh. And then was it DJ at
Speaker 2: the nightclub as well.
Speaker 1: I cheerleader in DJ. Yeah. Yeah. And the DJ's though, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was always I was always jealous because like they
Speaker 1: don't do anything, they sit there and all the girls
Speaker 1: are always so yeah.
Speaker 2: So I had both.
Speaker 1: I have dude fans. All dudes come up to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was uh, you know, it was actually
Speaker 2: that was a great time. But then I just did
Speaker 2: it was crazy. I woke up one morning and I
Speaker 2: was just like after a.
Speaker 1: Bender, Yeah, like too much party and yeah three day Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a rough one.
Speaker 2: Woke up one morning and I was and my dad
Speaker 2: was a Green Beret as well in Vietnam. Uh, my
Speaker 2: grandpa was in the eighty second Airborne jumped into Normandy
Speaker 2: on D Day. So like my FAMI family limbage lineage
Speaker 2: was like big military. Yeah, and uh, I just woke
Speaker 2: up one morning and I was like, dude, I'm destined
Speaker 2: for something bigger than this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I literally just that next day walked into the
Speaker 2: recruiter's office signed up to join the military. Like wow,
Speaker 2: out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: He hadn't slabbed. Wake up just feeling like a loose.
Speaker 2: Which was probably ridiculous for me to think at the time,
Speaker 2: Like coming from.
Speaker 1: You, you needed to change that lifestyle that.
Speaker 2: I could be a Green Beret. Like kind of really
Speaker 2: stupid thought, but like I got lucky I was able to.
Speaker 1: Uh would you always have a tough mindset? You must
Speaker 1: have that. I think it's hard to teach that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, that for sure. I mean it
Speaker 2: was an athletics my entire my entire life. And then
Speaker 2: you know, having a grown up in a military household
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, strict household, disciplined household. So like I
Speaker 2: already sort of had that foundation, and then yeah, joined
Speaker 2: the military on what's called an eighteen X ray contract,
Speaker 2: which is basically what it guarantees you is that you
Speaker 2: go to basic training, airborne school, and then straight to
Speaker 2: Army Special Forces Assessment selection. So you've been in the
Speaker 2: military for four months and you go try out to
Speaker 2: be a Green Beret, which is not a high success rate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I was able to. I got selected, excuse me,
Speaker 2: got selected my first try, and then made it through
Speaker 2: the Q course first try, so I spent Yeah, I
Speaker 2: did four four months and Army Basic training and then
Speaker 2: the rest of my career was an Army Special Forces.
Speaker 1: So you guys get a lot better treatment and stuff
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like the grass is greener, Like it's a
Speaker 2: little better treatment each tier you go up, like from
Speaker 2: the regular Army and you go to a Special Operations
Speaker 2: or Special Forces. The grass is greener, You get paid more,
Speaker 2: not that there's less work, right, Like, the jobs definitely
Speaker 2: is harder and more demanding. You did, you get to
Speaker 2: do a lot cooler stuff and then as you go up.
Speaker 2: You had brent On, right, and you go to the
Speaker 2: next level to dealt with the wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a leader.
Speaker 2: And then the grass gets like really because.
Speaker 1: They look up like, oh, this guy is like this ship.
Speaker 2: Well the grass is really green over there because they
Speaker 2: have all the money. Those guys are like operating at
Speaker 2: the highest level in the world. So yeah, that's literally
Speaker 2: the best soldiers in the world. Like the NFL All
Speaker 2: Star Team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like above. Yeah, my dad was for the UFC.
Speaker 1: It's like the Champions, the Champions Champions. My dad was
Speaker 1: a Green Bray. Unfortunately they don't know all the details,
Speaker 1: but he was stationed and I ran instead of Vietnam.
Speaker 1: But he was very just disinheartened from the military. Always
Speaker 1: told me not to join. So I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: why you did. I wish I'd asked more questions.
Speaker 2: But that's funny you say that, because my dad never
Speaker 2: never encouraged me to join.
Speaker 1: Told me not to join it yet at all.
Speaker 2: Not he didn't ever tell me not to, but it
Speaker 2: was like he never told I never heard a single war.
Speaker 2: The first war story he told me was after I
Speaker 2: graduated the Q course and became a Green Beret. That
Speaker 2: was the first time he ever told me a story.
Speaker 2: I'd like, I've been in the military for a couple
Speaker 2: of years at that point.
Speaker 1: He's didn't overt talk. Yeah, my dad take a little
Speaker 1: bit and I he never He just said he wasn't good.
Speaker 1: I know he did some stuff for the Shah that
Speaker 1: was there in time. Yeah. Well, yeah, he felt like
Speaker 1: he was on the wrong side. I know that. So
Speaker 1: I don't know he said he killed new or not
Speaker 1: any that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, we definitely, uh, the United States definitely uh put
Speaker 2: the Shaw in power for very specifically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had him like basically being his lackeye.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, some of the
Speaker 2: some of the people you're gonna work with, for those
Speaker 2: older Ara Green Bereys, My dad Di noted security for
Speaker 2: George H. H. Bush HW Bush while he was in
Speaker 2: the CIA in laws and Cambodia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably doing some shady ship short.
Speaker 2: And stuff we can't talk about on here.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. Yeah. So and then so the Great Bray
Speaker 1: you were sent to Afghanistan, yep, so.
Speaker 2: In first specially I was in first Special Forces group.
Speaker 2: So it works for the Green Brays as we have
Speaker 2: five main groups or active duty groups, first Group, third Group, fifth, seventh,
Speaker 2: and tenth, and each group is in a difference the
Speaker 2: base is at a different place in the country, so
Speaker 2: like First Groups in Washington State. And the way the
Speaker 2: groups work is each group handles a certain region of
Speaker 2: the world. So First Group primarily handles Asia, so we're
Speaker 2: gonna do whatever's going on in Asia, that's where First
Speaker 2: Group's going to grow. And so primarily most my deployments
Speaker 2: were to Asia, but all of us during the Global
Speaker 2: War and Tear would rotate through Iraq and Afghanistan. And
Speaker 2: so I only got one trip to Afghanistan in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: and then the rest of my deployments were to Mongolia, Philippines, Australia,
Speaker 2: places like that. So I got to deploy all over
Speaker 2: the world. Then also combat deployment to Afghanistan. Well never
Speaker 2: did Iraq, which yeah, I'm combined with because that I
Speaker 2: just never just never rotated through.
Speaker 1: Especially now looking back, you're kind of aware of that
Speaker 1: everything we were doing wasn't good, you know, so it probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's those it's one of those things
Speaker 2: that's with a looking back on it, right, Afghanistan, especially
Speaker 2: like when I first went to Afghanistan, I think I've
Speaker 2: changed drastically in my ideologies in the way that I
Speaker 2: look at the world from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Twenty you know, fifteen, twenty sixteen, getting ready to deploy
Speaker 2: to the Middle East, and then obviously at that time
Speaker 2: was like just as I don't want to call it brainwash,
Speaker 2: but propagandized is the rest of the country of like
Speaker 2: Islam Islam bad? Islam bad?
Speaker 1: You know, Israel good, Judeo Christian values is real good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, us us, you know, fucking up the Middle East?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: Right, And so that's what that's how I deployed, just
Speaker 2: like everybody. And then I think all of us, the
Speaker 2: vast majority of us. After a while, you're like looking around,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? It's like just you know, just
Speaker 2: like rolled through another Taliban village in the middle of
Speaker 2: nowhere Afghanistan, where like, what's the strategic value of us
Speaker 2: fucking these people up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? When to fuck up some village? And then
Speaker 1: wonder why did they hate us for our freedom? You know?
Speaker 2: And so you do that and like, you know, you
Speaker 2: look back on it and you're like well, I don't
Speaker 2: really know what the and then and at the same time,
Speaker 2: like what did we really do? Well? It took us
Speaker 2: twenty years for us to spend trillions and trillions of
Speaker 2: dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
Speaker 1: Pure insanity, right. Imagine like your son died or something
Speaker 1: over there, or you lost a leg or.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's not just you know, it's it's not
Speaker 2: just losing legs and stuff like that. But I lost teammates, man,
Speaker 2: I lost some of my best friends.
Speaker 1: That's gotta be hard. That's got to be hard, like
Speaker 1: out there, and then you have to go on the
Speaker 1: next day.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then afterwards too. So also just had
Speaker 2: one of our one of my closest teammates, you know,
Speaker 2: take his own life two years go as well from
Speaker 2: the fallout. And that's that's super common. I think I've
Speaker 2: had five, four or five guys just from just from
Speaker 2: my my company, my first company I worked in, which
Speaker 2: is like six teams, so one hundred dudes, four or
Speaker 2: five guys I think that have take them taken their
Speaker 2: own lives.
Speaker 1: Why do you think just from that company, I think
Speaker 1: it's such an issue. Guys have our time adjusting things
Speaker 1: they did or like that's a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's different for everybody. I think. I think
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things that happens is guys lose
Speaker 2: their purpose because what you never we talked about this,
Speaker 2: what you never ever see in combat down range is
Speaker 2: guys take their own lives.
Speaker 1: So like at war, No, you're never gonnake your own
Speaker 1: life at war obviously it's it's your fighting.
Speaker 2: Exactly a purpose and so and not only that, but
Speaker 2: like you know, that's there's this like juxtaposition of in
Speaker 2: my own brain more morality wise, of like what we're
Speaker 2: doing is probably not good, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: like you love doing it. Yeah, you have a mission still, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's soup like this is what we trained years and
Speaker 2: years and years and years ins for us to come
Speaker 2: out close with destroy the enemy.
Speaker 1: And well plus it's like a brotherhood that can fight.
Speaker 1: Most people can't understand you build the brotherhood and bond
Speaker 1: that's unimaginable anywhere else. I'd imagine it's exactly the same
Speaker 1: with you guys. You're just side by side. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can build this brotherhood anywhere. That's where like
Speaker 1: race doesn't matter. You can make race's jokes like when
Speaker 1: you're fighting, you don't give a fuck what race someone will.
Speaker 2: And for us, like I said as green Berets, like again,
Speaker 2: we're we got twelve guys out there and we're operating
Speaker 2: with the partner.
Speaker 1: For uce AFR. Twelve brothers right there. Yeah, who are they?
Speaker 2: Those are Afghanians, dude, those are Muslims.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they become your brothers too, though they might say.
Speaker 2: They're the ones, and yeah, and they're the ones that
Speaker 2: like for us, we would always have two three Afghans
Speaker 2: or for us we actually had personal security detail that
Speaker 2: were his arns. So in Afghanistan you have explained a
Speaker 2: little bit. It's kind of like the tribal mountain mountain
Speaker 2: people sort of like the Mutton Yards in Vietnam. So
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan you have it's very tribal, so like different
Speaker 2: sort of ethnic groups.
Speaker 1: Have much Afghan So.
Speaker 2: You have the you got Posh Tunes typically the Daris
Speaker 2: or like the an A Afghan nationals. The Posh Tunes
Speaker 2: typically were the Taliban uh and then Hazarans were sort
Speaker 2: of like sort of the tribal mutton yards of the
Speaker 2: area that were very very close with the United States
Speaker 2: and so those guys would literally with mind detectors, like
Speaker 2: walk in front of me and my teammates everywhere we went.
Speaker 1: So that way they would step on it first.
Speaker 2: That way they would get their legs blown off, so
Speaker 2: that I don't right of repe those guys or like
Speaker 2: go in any room we would go into, right like
Speaker 2: two three Afghans are going to make sure that they
Speaker 2: go into that room before I do, so they get
Speaker 2: shot in the face before me. So this is like,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people criticize me when like
Speaker 2: I won't come out and denounce Islam in America, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, but I tried to explain to people. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: who was it downrange? That was like fighting next to.
Speaker 1: Me got their legs blown off instead of you.
Speaker 2: And my teammates, right, Like, for that was Muslims. Every
Speaker 2: operation I went out on, it was Muslims fighting with
Speaker 2: me against the terrorists.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm not going to automatically just denounce
Speaker 2: these people because of their religion, because like they risk
Speaker 2: their lives for me and my teammates over and over
Speaker 2: and over night in night out and so it's like
Speaker 2: and you know, and then I say, people get upset,
Speaker 2: and I go, you know who didn't you know who
Speaker 2: didn't shed a string?
Speaker 1: You have any Jews on your zero.
Speaker 2: Because Israel didn't deploy anything to the entire global war
Speaker 2: on terror, not a single.
Speaker 1: Wonder, not one. We fight their fucking wars. They don't
Speaker 1: send one fucking soldier.
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia did, The Kurds did, like you can go
Speaker 2: down the line. Turkey right, Afghan he's Iraqi's like, you
Speaker 2: can go down the line. They all fought twenty years
Speaker 2: with us, but they didn't. And so that's why I
Speaker 2: tell people, I'm like, sorry, if you want me to
Speaker 2: denounce a group of people that I literally fought a
Speaker 2: war with, Like, that's not gonna that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it supposed to be liberating. Then Muslims, why do
Speaker 1: you I'm not trying to bring more moral melissims to
Speaker 1: the country, but as a whole, they're not causing problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah but maybe in Dearborn haven't been there, but they're
Speaker 1: stimulating for the most part.
Speaker 2: Why did they all get brought here to begin with?
Speaker 1: We blew up their countries because we.
Speaker 2: Destabilized their countries and we created a twenty three million
Speaker 2: refugee crisis from going in and overthrowing the governments of Iraq,
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, Saddan, Samoia, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, like we did that,
Speaker 2: and so I also, I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 2: think that culturally necessarily, I want America to be Islam.
Speaker 1: That's not at all, No exactly, but we're not. But
Speaker 1: we have no problem with these ideas.
Speaker 2: They are the same in their own area of the
Speaker 2: world that I don't have a problem with them, and
Speaker 2: then America really doesn't either.
Speaker 1: Other than no, there's not not a problem with People
Speaker 1: are so dumb when they're like they hating these countries.
Speaker 1: Like I've been to these countries. I'm treated so amazingly.
Speaker 1: I mean, being a fighter probably helps. But the hospital
Speaker 1: is at my hospitalities over the top, you know. I've
Speaker 1: been like Morocco with the king like.
Speaker 2: And people will say, well, what about as long extreme
Speaker 2: as I'm like, yeah, that's a big problem. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: there's extremist problems all over the world. Well, Muslims are
Speaker 2: killing Christians in Africa, yeah they are, but I mean
Speaker 2: Jews are too, and Christian in Palestine, right, and then
Speaker 2: you have Christians killing you have Christians killing Muslims in
Speaker 2: different places in Africa, So it's like you're going to
Speaker 2: have extremism and third world ism everywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: To me, the actual religious foundation, whether it be even Judaism, Christianity,
Speaker 2: or Islam, is really irrelevant to that discussion.
Speaker 1: Well, there's different cultures too. There's so many different Islamic cultures.
Speaker 1: People don't understand is they're not going to be the same.
Speaker 1: If you go to Morocco or Lebanon or Somalia, it's
Speaker 1: totally different in the countries. People aren't smart enough to
Speaker 1: understand it's totally different cultures.
Speaker 2: The difference between Dubai and Samoia is insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty Dubai is way safer than America and
Speaker 1: cleaner and uh.
Speaker 2: And then Samalia is one of the worst places in
Speaker 2: the world, right and is it because that's the same religion.
Speaker 2: But also look at Ethiopia. You have Christianity in Ethiopia
Speaker 2: with a situation just as bad as Smollia.
Speaker 1: Since we bring a bunch of Christian Ethiopians over, no,
Speaker 1: of course not in my opinion. No, I don't want
Speaker 1: them here either, No, exactly, Like I'm consistent with my view,
Speaker 1: these other people aren't. But one of my best friends
Speaker 1: is Afghanian. He used to go over there a lot,
Speaker 1: but he wanted me to go with them. We were
Speaker 1: into buy together and I almost went without. Some things
Speaker 1: are pretty bad and yeah he has he has ties
Speaker 1: with the military warlreds Taliban. But I'm like thinking, like
Speaker 1: that's a what if something goes wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe soon. The guy is the best networker. I
Speaker 1: know it's insane, but it is. But when you're hanging
Speaker 1: out with the top military guys Taliban war lords, could
Speaker 1: this cause some kind of like thing? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't in Iraq actually though, Like what's crazy? I
Speaker 2: didn't know this. I have a friend that any Rocky
Speaker 2: that was a sergeant major and he was telling me
Speaker 2: that any rock Now, dude. I saw pictures too. They
Speaker 2: have like biker clubs, like Harley clubs. There's bars everywhere,
Speaker 2: like it's become super americanized.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I've checked out one of these days. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to go to Iran because wrestling is hues there.
Speaker 1: So I ran and people always come up to see
Speaker 1: my ears when I travel and they're always so friendly
Speaker 1: and nice. Yeah, the wrastlers to get treated great, but
Speaker 1: I can't go right now.
Speaker 2: We're on such a crazy one too because it's like
Speaker 2: especially with what's going on with that now of you know,
Speaker 2: are they actually in revolution?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't. I don't know. Do you do? You
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: So I do know, it's hard to say because we
Speaker 2: don't really get good information coming out of there because
Speaker 2: what you'll hear is like everyone in Iran wants the
Speaker 2: Iatola overthrown, but then you also hear ninety percent of
Speaker 2: people in Iran want the Iatola in.
Speaker 1: Pat So I don't know's that's why I'm asking because
Speaker 1: I don't know it's Tue either. It's like hard to
Speaker 1: know what's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But what I do know is like
Speaker 2: they're trying to put U PUV lobby back in as
Speaker 2: the Shaw. But it was like if you go back
Speaker 2: and look at his dad, yeah, there's a reason why
Speaker 2: there was a revolution of my dad.
Speaker 1: I didn't like him.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't. People forget it wasn't because Iran
Speaker 2: was so amazing under the Shaw that like everybody was
Speaker 2: so happy and then that whoopsie Islam showed up out
Speaker 2: of nowhere to over know. There was massive political repression,
Speaker 2: insane inequality. The country was being run as a monarchy
Speaker 2: and the people got sick of it and overthrew it.
Speaker 2: But also the United States overthrew Iran's democracy in the
Speaker 2: fifties exactly and installed the Shaw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a puppet.
Speaker 2: Because Iran decided to what nationalized or oil, and so
Speaker 2: we as Americans went in destabilized, overthrew a democracy in
Speaker 2: Iran to put in a pro puppet US monarchy, and
Speaker 2: then we were shocked, Like every single time we do
Speaker 2: this around the world.
Speaker 1: They decided they don't like us, that they don't like
Speaker 1: us and it doesn't work out. They hate us for
Speaker 1: our freedom, like it never worked out. They'll look at
Speaker 1: like Libya, I mean, Iraq was maybe it's getting better now,
Speaker 1: but it was terrible. Syria's just destabilized. Syria's yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: out of control now. The war for Israel, like I
Speaker 1: was remember like years ago, I didn't politics, like why
Speaker 1: are we trying to overthrow Israel? I mean Syria?
Speaker 2: Oh well that's an easy one, because Israel wants Israel
Speaker 2: wants to go on height and so what we did
Speaker 2: was is we allowed al Jilani, So you might know
Speaker 2: him as al shar which is serious president who's the
Speaker 2: former one of the former leaders of al Qaeda. By
Speaker 2: the way, we call him al Jelani because that's who
Speaker 2: he really is. So but we put him in power
Speaker 2: as a Sunni extremist because well, as soon he's are
Speaker 2: friendly to Israel, and what is that connection. He already
Speaker 2: he already made the agreement with Netnyahu that Israel could
Speaker 2: take the goal on heights. So that's all we did
Speaker 2: in Syria was we removed asd because he's backed by
Speaker 2: Iran and Russia, but then and al Qaeda leader. But
Speaker 2: he's one that's going to give Israel what they want.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to go. So they don't care that
Speaker 2: we don't care that we actually we actually want all
Speaker 2: of these countries destabilized. So people think that it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we need to have a pro a pro US puppet
Speaker 2: in charge of Syria and Iran. What Israel really doesn't care,
Speaker 2: and they don't care if there's a pro Israel. What
Speaker 2: they care is that everyone's destabilized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have they have him fighting and they want
Speaker 1: to keep taking one because.
Speaker 2: If he Rock is completely fractured. Well, now Saddam Hussein
Speaker 2: can't fuck Israel up when they try to go to
Speaker 2: war with Egypt, right, and then Egypt and Jordan both, Well,
Speaker 2: we figured that problem out by just of money. We
Speaker 2: just pay them off to be nice.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh no, look, we pay them money too.
Speaker 1: It's not Israel. Yeah, it's for Israel, you dumbasses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to make them play nice with Israel. So everything
Speaker 2: in the region is either paying off countries to be
Speaker 2: nice or if we can destabilize the country, which is Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq.
Speaker 2: Those are the big ones. Well, Iran is the last
Speaker 2: pillar because Iran is still the actual hegemonic superpower of
Speaker 2: the region and they're the only ones still really the
Speaker 2: only thing stopping the Greater Israel project now is Iran.
Speaker 1: And it seems they're hell bent and doing it. It seems
Speaker 1: like Trump will probably do it.
Speaker 2: Oh, like we are one hundred percent one going to
Speaker 2: try to regime change in Iran. Yeah, by the end
Speaker 2: of Trump's term, Israel will take the West Bank, go
Speaker 2: on Heights, and we will try to overthrow the Eye Toola.
Speaker 2: By the end of Trump's president Mary Nagelsen, didn't drop
Speaker 2: a third of a billion dollars on that campaign to
Speaker 2: not have those things pan out.
Speaker 1: I think I think it goes to blackmail too. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's obviously he's being paid, but it seems
Speaker 1: like there's more with the Epstein stuff, the fact of
Speaker 1: how how hard he's fighting to keep them.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what they just did. Now, did you
Speaker 2: see what they just did? I think I believe it
Speaker 2: was yesterday. What do they do with the White House now?
Speaker 2: Because they haven't released ninety ninety percent of the file still,
Speaker 2: They've now filed filed lawsuits that are trying to make
Speaker 2: it to where they will never have to release the files.
Speaker 2: Anything pertaining to Gisling Maxwell now is going to be siphoning.
Speaker 2: They can just put all this and they can just
Speaker 2: keep quartering things off that are either issues with national
Speaker 2: security and they can put them here here and here
Speaker 2: and that way. They just actually will make it illegal
Speaker 2: for the Epstein files to ever be released.
Speaker 1: We're just we just actually really wonder what's in him, Like,
Speaker 1: how can MAGA support this? They sit there. I have
Speaker 1: had a few friends have turned on, thank god. But
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there supporting pedophiles. That's like, so for
Speaker 1: you gotta draw the line somewhere.
Speaker 2: I think for me, and I've been I've been on
Speaker 2: the anti Trump frame for a long time now. But
Speaker 2: the big one for me was when he said, if
Speaker 2: you're still talking about the Epstein files, you're not my.
Speaker 1: Supporter, yeat, Then I'm not your supporter.
Speaker 2: And I went, okay, cool, then we're done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was that. I was already I was already
Speaker 1: not supporting him.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, I was. Yeah, that's as I say. I
Speaker 2: was already not a fan, but I was more neutral, like, hey, like,
Speaker 2: if something good's good, I'll call it. If something back, well,
Speaker 2: there's like nothing good happening anymore.
Speaker 1: Now, No, there's nothing good. I've had two friends thankfully
Speaker 1: turn on them recently that anything would that. I asked
Speaker 1: one of them, I won't say his name, but famous
Speaker 1: guy every talking about earlier, and turned on him. He
Speaker 1: goes the Epstein Files. I'm like, okay, good, at least
Speaker 1: you had some fucking integrity that like raping kids where
Speaker 1: you draw the line.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is this is like the crazy thing
Speaker 2: is I think I think most Americans understand by now
Speaker 2: the reason the real reason why the Epstein files aren't
Speaker 2: being released is not because Bill Clinton's in them, or
Speaker 2: Trump's in them, or there's Hollywood execs like that's part
Speaker 2: of it. But the real story is that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: very clearly obviously was an intelligence ass be it through
Speaker 2: CIA most likely massade. So the real story is that
Speaker 2: the United States governments and high side CIA, NSA, however
Speaker 2: you want to look at it, we're not only complicit in,
Speaker 2: but most likely part involved in the development of a
Speaker 2: massive child sex trafficking ring that was used to blackmail
Speaker 2: foreign dignitaries, foreign foreign agents, and then our own politicians.
Speaker 2: That's why they will never be people.
Speaker 1: Saw how extreme it was. And it's also a big
Speaker 1: one people forget is the businesses. All these big businesses
Speaker 1: like the tech and all this, they infiltrated that, and
Speaker 1: they probably get want to infiltrate the tech also inside
Speaker 1: trading deals, like you know, there's a lot of these
Speaker 1: Jewish billionaires kind of come up their money some shady
Speaker 1: trade real quick, and then they donate so much money
Speaker 1: to Israel. I think he's getting that end of the
Speaker 1: automation in the businesses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so and So what people do is
Speaker 2: they they say, oh, well that's you're seeing it from MAGA,
Speaker 2: you're seeing it from Fox News, you're seeing it from
Speaker 2: apologist to Trump is well, that's why we can't release them,
Speaker 2: because well, then we'll lose all this blackmail on we'll
Speaker 2: lose all this leverage strategically, which is true. Which is true,
Speaker 2: like if all of a sudden the Epstein filcy quality
Speaker 2: came out, we found out the Crown Prince of Saudi
Speaker 2: and all these Israeli prime ministers and politicians, all of
Speaker 2: that came out, all that blackmail's gone. Yeah, all of
Speaker 2: that leverage the United States has.
Speaker 1: Who's fucking kids? Though personally we as an American, I
Speaker 1: want the ones that are an American arrested and dealt with.
Speaker 2: Me and you and Americans like us who aren't MAGA
Speaker 2: are going, we don't fucking care. I don't care if
Speaker 2: the system burns down. Yeah, I don't care if we
Speaker 2: lose the leverage on some israel prime minister. I don't
Speaker 2: care about that. I want accountability for the fact that
Speaker 2: her own government is protecting fucking pedophiles.
Speaker 1: It's just insane. If you don't fucking you don't draw
Speaker 1: the line there like where the fuck do you drive
Speaker 1: the line?
Speaker 2: You don't anymore?
Speaker 1: It's like how the gold's embarrassing, but you see you
Speaker 1: fucking do it.
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly, What does Megan Kelly come out and say?
Speaker 1: What did she say?
Speaker 2: She comes out the other day, she got hot water
Speaker 2: for this. She goes, you know, I had I have
Speaker 2: somebody that's really close and he's you know, and they're
Speaker 2: very confident that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a pedophile. And she goes,
Speaker 2: you know, she's and she said this. She goes, you know,
Speaker 2: these were these were fourteen, fifteen year old girls.
Speaker 1: I think eleven year old.
Speaker 2: She goes, at least they weren't eight. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is this is in it. It's a little better,
Speaker 2: I guess, but I have Nick Flintes just said the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. He's in hot water too. He goes,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein is not a pedotophile. These pedophilia is like
Speaker 2: five year olds. It's not these twelve thirteen year olds.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, dude, Like I have a twelve
Speaker 2: year old daughter exactly. She is a daughter fucking child. Yeah, touch,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you handle them right. So it's like, so
Speaker 2: that's where you're getting this weird goalpost shifting by MAGA
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, well at least well they're barely legal.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, thirteen year old aren't barely legal.
Speaker 1: They're not even like seventeen and stuff. They're trying to
Speaker 1: say like thirteen twelve it right.
Speaker 2: And so that's where, like again with MEGA is like
Speaker 2: to your point this, you had this red line and
Speaker 2: it was pedophilia, and then when we realized, oh, actually
Speaker 2: the administration's protecting pedophiles, well then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: that red line was like, well we got to scratch
Speaker 2: that out of the sand cuz, oh, if my daddy
Speaker 2: says that this is okay, then it's got to be okay.
Speaker 2: And for me, like no, that was like just a
Speaker 2: hard at them. But anyone who supports this or defends it,
Speaker 2: or like when Megan Kelly comes out and says it
Speaker 2: or Nick One has to come out and say I go, okay,
Speaker 2: I denounce you now, and I denounce you now, and
Speaker 2: I announced denounced Trump for protecting. Anybody who's protecting this shit,
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 1: To draw line somewhere. To me, that's the fucking line,
Speaker 1: it's just disgusting.
Speaker 2: Well we are, most of amaric are.
Speaker 1: But it's like, dude, it's so many Americans are defending
Speaker 1: it Trump. It's I think a lot of these people
Speaker 1: they don't think for themselves. They wait for their favorite influence.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine waiting for your favorite influencer to give
Speaker 1: your opinion on something.
Speaker 2: Wait for Benny Joe to tell me what I need
Speaker 2: to think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't. They wait for their influencers to give
Speaker 1: them their opinions. That's why I started a podcast, and shit,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, most people don't even think. They don't
Speaker 1: create their own thoughts. They just wait for their favorite
Speaker 1: influencers tell them to think.
Speaker 2: I think, and I talked about on my show, my
Speaker 2: last show. I think what you're seeing is like this
Speaker 2: massive with with Trump and Maga. And again, I'm a
Speaker 2: conservative man, so I wanted Trump to do a great job.
Speaker 2: Like I if we could have got like twenty sixteen Trump,
Speaker 2: the economy starts booming, like the border. The border is
Speaker 2: one thing I think he's done a good job with.
Speaker 2: But like if we would have the economy was good,
Speaker 2: the labor market was good, like if all of those
Speaker 2: things that we thought we were going to get was happening,
Speaker 2: like I would be now the pedophile stuff was ex
Speaker 2: but like, let's let's say take pedophile thing. Let's say
Speaker 2: they immediately released all the Epstein files, full transparency, like
Speaker 2: all the things they promised, Like, I would probably be
Speaker 2: supporting the dude, but that's not what we got. No,
Speaker 2: we got the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: He's been the opposite of everything he said. He's clearly
Speaker 1: been serving Israel for America, which he kind of said
Speaker 1: that when he was running, to be honest, but he
Speaker 1: ran on no foreign wars. Remember there's the meme of MAGA.
Speaker 1: Now he support pedophile and foreign.
Speaker 2: Wars and invade everything.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, invade everyone.
Speaker 2: It's like, but uh, I think it's for the for
Speaker 2: the people. You have tribalism, right, we all understand, like,
Speaker 2: no exactly, and it makes sense to go to group.
Speaker 1: A little bit in their nature.
Speaker 2: And when Biden was in power, the far left was
Speaker 2: just as bad. Tried to I hate them too. They
Speaker 2: tried to yeah me too. They tried to defend or yeah,
Speaker 2: we were definitely political homes. But they tried to defend
Speaker 2: his all his crazy shit when he could barely fucking talk, right,
Speaker 2: So it's the same it's the same type of tribalism there.
Speaker 2: But also what I think it is is you have
Speaker 2: this like massive exercise and cognitive dissonance. Essentially, people have
Speaker 2: made Trump their personality. Yeah, and they've probably distanced themselves
Speaker 2: from relatives and friends and family members, like, because everything
Speaker 2: they did was to support and defend Donald Trump. And
Speaker 2: then you're ten months in or a year in, and
Speaker 2: you're like, the economy shit, the labor market shit, why
Speaker 2: are we bombing Iran? Why are we invading Venezuela? Like,
Speaker 2: and you're looking at this going what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on? And the economy is not good? And I
Speaker 2: can't afford groceries.
Speaker 1: Dude, the mark is bad, I think for like, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're doing pretty well, but we look at prices and
Speaker 1: I still don't what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And so people go. These people they can't go I
Speaker 2: was wrong. What they have to do is they have
Speaker 2: to because their entire personality is tied up in this
Speaker 2: tribalism and being maga. They have to do mental gymnastics
Speaker 2: to defend everything you're seeing, including pedophil pedophiles. And that's
Speaker 2: why you're seeing it because people are just like, look,
Speaker 2: I don't care about the pedophiles because because Trump and
Speaker 2: you're like, is that really like how you want to operate?
Speaker 1: Right? I think you're smart, not on two that much.
Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of I'm on Twitter at all,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch accounts that they're going to be like
Speaker 1: making an excuse to defend it. It's like the whole
Speaker 1: account is like how cool Trump is, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you guys are fucking dorks.
Speaker 2: We saw we just saw it with the Ice shooting.
Speaker 2: And what you saw immediately was you you immediately knew
Speaker 2: based off of outside the independent thinkers like the far right,
Speaker 2: uh talking heads, the far left talking heads, You immediately
Speaker 2: knew what they were going to say, whether it was
Speaker 2: justified or whether it was murder. You immediately knew what
Speaker 2: it was going to be based off of their political party.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got brutally attacked on Twitter form my opinions.
Speaker 1: Yeah that you know, I shouldn't execute you know, unarmed
Speaker 1: civilians unless they're in danger. So the same way great
Speaker 1: atf you know, like Ruby Ridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it was like I put up a meme
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got attacked so hard for saying that but
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm always gonna speak my real fucking opinions.
Speaker 2: I had the same opinion as you, and I'd put
Speaker 2: out a video on it, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: were pissed about it too, And I was like, look,
Speaker 2: from what I'm seeing as someone who operated a firearm
Speaker 2: in very daring situations, what I saw was somebody who
Speaker 2: looked put themselves in position they didn't need to put
Speaker 2: it out in front of a car, right, which you
Speaker 2: are not trained to do. Obviously, purposely tried to lean
Speaker 2: into the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he steps into it. There's a video, there's a
Speaker 1: picture where it shows him stepping forward.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing is like, you're you're shooting
Speaker 2: someone driving a moving vehicle in a neighborhood. You know
Speaker 2: how lucky he was it turned that car into a missile.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2: It was a telephone pole. I believe that stopped that car.
Speaker 2: If there was no telephone pole, that car could have
Speaker 2: killed a kid, rolls into somebody's living room and kills
Speaker 2: an entire family. And then are we having a little
Speaker 2: bit different discussion about, Hey, is it a good thing
Speaker 2: to like shoot somebody driving a car down the middle
Speaker 2: of a street in a neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And he called her a fucking bitch as he shot her,
Speaker 1: like all anger. But I'm just saying from a safety stand,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that what you said. That's like
Speaker 1: you have you and people want to go. It's justified.
Speaker 2: He got bumped. That's fine. I'm I'm not saying you
Speaker 2: can't have that opinion. But what I'm going to say
Speaker 2: is is there a better way that could have been handled? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because she's driving three miles per hour? Okay, what if
Speaker 2: she drives off.
Speaker 1: Rest or later? Yes, I have her license playing.
Speaker 2: You know who she is, you have her on camera.
Speaker 1: You go, and she's not any danger to anyone. That's
Speaker 1: my point. In trying to kill the guy, They like
Speaker 1: he was trying she was trying to run him over, Like, no,
Speaker 1: she wasn't she? Now is she? Is?
Speaker 2: She being a fucking idiot down there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course. But like for me, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: cheer on federal agents shooting American citizens in the face
Speaker 2: because some American did something dumb. Yeah, some unarmed Americans done.
Speaker 2: That's a perfect example. It shows how both sides are full,
Speaker 2: so full of shit, so hypocritical, and I can damn
Speaker 2: both those shootings and you know it's in but also
Speaker 2: you know it meet me as well. But also, like
Speaker 2: people in January six, are you putting yourself in a
Speaker 2: dumb situation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you deserve all the fucking prison
Speaker 1: time they had.
Speaker 2: I thought that was also, does she deserve to get
Speaker 2: shot in the face when she's unarmed? No, Like, there's
Speaker 2: context to this and it shouldn't just be immediately like, Hey,
Speaker 2: whatever political party I'm in, I have to think this
Speaker 2: way about this issue.
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Speaker 1: with the political parties to divide people. Is it's shocking
Speaker 1: how like ninety percent of people will jump on either
Speaker 1: side and they can't.
Speaker 2: It's the entire goal.
Speaker 1: Well, remember, like the Democrats are anti war, and then
Speaker 1: they're a pro war with your train. That's why I
Speaker 1: started kind of identifying with the right. I was always
Speaker 1: didn't want these pointless wars. I was pro free speech
Speaker 1: and Israel happened, and all of a sudden, we're pro war.
Speaker 1: Now now we're anti free speech. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not a Republican.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's so crazy when you think
Speaker 2: about that, You like, think about the the juxtapositions here
Speaker 2: of like look at COVID. Remember the don't tread on
Speaker 2: me crowded conservatives like hey, having to show a COVID
Speaker 2: a COVID card to travel to come into a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Remember how many people were like.
Speaker 1: I was in San Francisco restaurants and those.
Speaker 2: Same people now are cheering on ice being able to
Speaker 2: roll up to an American citizen and ask you for
Speaker 2: your papers. They can roll up to me or you
Speaker 2: and be like you got your passport on you and
Speaker 2: if we're like no, they could be like a car.
Speaker 1: They figure it out that kid who yeah, was a citizen,
Speaker 1: They drag them, drop them off like they've.
Speaker 2: Been doing it with veterans. This is they deported a
Speaker 2: combat veteran.
Speaker 1: I thought the right was pro fucking veteran. But that's
Speaker 1: my point is it's like, you have no consistency. And
Speaker 1: I'm all for support deportings people, but not like citizens.
Speaker 2: And well, and I am too, I'm pretty far right
Speaker 2: on immigration, Like I I do want the deportations to happen.
Speaker 2: But also, how about, like you said you were going
Speaker 2: to go after criminals. How come there's no videos of
Speaker 2: ice and gang ridden neighborhoods where there's no ice and
Speaker 2: shootouts in Chicago.
Speaker 1: They're all the gang bangers. They have these Salvadorans teenagers
Speaker 1: sell the drugs because they they let them right out.
Speaker 1: They're all up there. Still send them to fucking San Franciso,
Speaker 1: get those little gang.
Speaker 2: But they're not. But they're not doing that every time.
Speaker 2: And this is like the optics of it are so bad.
Speaker 2: It's like every time you see it. It's some home
Speaker 2: depot parking lot where it's some suburban neighborhood and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, as a teenager, they arrested like a sixteen or savage.
Speaker 1: You know, they pulled out some store who's American citizen and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they're ranking some like forty year
Speaker 2: old Hispanic woman out of her car that was just
Speaker 2: getting off her job at the taco shop. And you're like,
Speaker 2: now did they come you know, did they come here illegally?
Speaker 2: Should they have to leave?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe, or at least go after the gangsters first,
Speaker 1: get some get some optics, because trust me, if you
Speaker 1: don't be fucking we.
Speaker 2: All know, we all know that, like that's still a
Speaker 2: huge fucking problem. The crime is horrible, Like it's not
Speaker 2: gotten a whole lot better. So like where's the videos
Speaker 2: of that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. If you want good optics, go
Speaker 1: after the fucking gang bangers. Go do Like I literally
Speaker 1: could go to San Francisco and tell you we're all
Speaker 1: the Salvador and Mexican gangs.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sure they know.
Speaker 1: The cops know that, they exactly know. They go this
Speaker 1: block is black gangs, this block is Salvadoran this is Mexican,
Speaker 1: you know, even walk through there a little bit.
Speaker 2: And so the question should be like, how did Clinton it?
Speaker 2: Clinton deported ten million people, bush To deported almost ten
Speaker 2: million people. Obama deported like what four point one million people?
Speaker 2: How did how did they do it?
Speaker 1: Without better with optics, you can't send ice shooting people
Speaker 1: cheering it on. No, and now it got way worse
Speaker 1: after that. People were cheering it on. But now they
Speaker 1: can't do shit. And these people the left does have
Speaker 1: more balls to stand up. They're out there with guns
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, it's so funny to me too.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing I'm seeing that, not that like I'm supporting
Speaker 2: what they're doing in the protest.
Speaker 1: I don't support it, but it shows they have balls.
Speaker 2: But I saw a bunch of pictures of dudes down
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, a couple of black guys with ar fifteens
Speaker 2: just chilling at the protests, and all of the reaction
Speaker 2: from the conservative right. It's like, look at these look
Speaker 2: at these left wing terrorists and out in the street
Speaker 2: with their guns, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, it's right right wing guys.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well what, I'm like, what do you mean
Speaker 2: he's out there exercising his Secondmendment rights. Isn't that what we.
Speaker 1: We have to have consistency?
Speaker 2: Isn't that what we supported? Because if it was a
Speaker 2: right wing protest and guys are down where with guns,
Speaker 2: which they are all the time, everybody thinks that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh exactly, But then in which I have no problem with. Look,
Speaker 2: this is America. I'm hardcore on fundamental rights. Do you
Speaker 2: want to carry your weapon around? I've got no problem
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: No, it's that's why I started carrying. I forgot a
Speaker 1: little controversial. All my friends were carrying. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I should carry a gun with me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you realize I need to learn to shoot better. Still,
Speaker 1: have you teach me? Maybe? But even like, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I need to get a lot
Speaker 1: more confident with my gun with my hands, I am.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I kill someone quick with my hands, but
Speaker 1: I want to go to get from my distance? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and but I mean even for fighters, man, it's
Speaker 2: like you never know what type of situation you're gonna
Speaker 2: be in whre somebody.
Speaker 1: Else has got somebody else Exactly. I am sure I
Speaker 1: can kill some with my bare hands when someone have
Speaker 1: a gun or a knife or a knif would probably
Speaker 1: get front kick them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but like, do you even want to risk
Speaker 2: that in your situation?
Speaker 1: And when I got one guy, guy pulled a knife,
Speaker 1: thought about a second, and I fucking ditched out. I'm like, say,
Speaker 1: I go after this guy and I now have a balance.
Speaker 1: That was a long time dude, Like, why would you
Speaker 1: even put in with it? There was no reason for
Speaker 1: the fucking thing.
Speaker 2: Anyways, somebody's gonna somebody's gonna pull weapon out and try
Speaker 2: to kill you with it. Like, yeah, it's just a
Speaker 2: lot better to just have your own gun. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: then I could have been yeah, we're escalation of force
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 1: Something goes off. It's good to have the guns. That's
Speaker 1: why I need to get better at shooting. So if
Speaker 1: there's a shooting of times who had guns, there'd be
Speaker 1: least these mass shootings.
Speaker 2: Well we know that statistically because if you go to
Speaker 2: areas with the well you and you can actually you
Speaker 2: can look at it at Europe A great A great
Speaker 2: way you can look at it in Europe is this
Speaker 2: was at least a couple of years ago. I don't
Speaker 2: know if the statistics are the same I'm sure they are.
Speaker 2: But the country with the highest civilian gun ownership per
Speaker 2: capita is Switzerland. It always has been because Switzerland's always
Speaker 2: been a neutral countries, so it's always been the idea.
Speaker 2: They've always been like in the middle of World Wars
Speaker 2: but not partaking Netral but they've always wanted to be
Speaker 2: able to like our entire populace has to be able
Speaker 2: to defend this country if being very mountainous too, yeah,
Speaker 2: and so their entire it's part of their their culture
Speaker 2: that like kids learn how to use farms when they're
Speaker 2: like five years old, like everyone owns fire.
Speaker 1: It was like no mass shootings there there now no
Speaker 1: there's no gun vince interesting.
Speaker 2: But if you go to the UK, where there's no
Speaker 2: guns and the police don't even have guns, they have
Speaker 2: the highest violent crime rate.
Speaker 1: It's a knife tax there, right high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, highest violent crime rate in Europe. And then Switzerland
Speaker 2: has the lowest violent crime rate in Europe. And then
Speaker 2: obviously this country has the lowest civilian gun ownership. And
Speaker 2: that's just Europe. But you can do that in areas
Speaker 2: in the United States as well. If you go to
Speaker 2: areas in Texas, rural areas and Texas, they have gun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: are you going to roll into a church in Texas,
Speaker 2: middle rural Texas and try to shoot that church up?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You could, well you could, but like we've seen that
Speaker 2: happen before, and like people get smoked immediately.
Speaker 1: Right. Like I had family in Texas and we're going
Speaker 1: as a kid and they're all like all the women
Speaker 1: were carrying guns in their purses and stuff. Even it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's used to seeing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it is, it's a I guess it's
Speaker 2: a deterrent, you know what I mean. But I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm big on civilian gun ownership.
Speaker 1: Bought my daughter guns out in Texas and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a gun on you you know, like you
Speaker 1: need to get a shooting better.
Speaker 2: But especially women.
Speaker 1: No, that's why I want her. She's in LA for
Speaker 1: a while, homeless, you can't couldn't carry it there, but
Speaker 1: like crackheads coming after it's like scary, like you know,
Speaker 1: no one does anything, know the crackheads chase you. Textically,
Speaker 1: she can carry a gun.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what that's why I'm so big on
Speaker 2: female gun ownership. Is it's like it's it's also just
Speaker 2: because women are a softer target. And I don't mean
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they can't be badass. What I mean
Speaker 2: is like, just if you're somebody looking to commit a
Speaker 2: crime on someone or women's easy. Yeah, there's two people
Speaker 2: walking down the street, you're gonna wait that you're gonna
Speaker 2: assue me?
Speaker 1: And you or a girl near you. They're not going
Speaker 1: too big.
Speaker 2: Ass fucking men walking down or are they gonna wait
Speaker 2: for the one hundred pound girl by herself that's walking
Speaker 2: down the street. Well, that's the softer target. So they're
Speaker 2: much more likely to be put in a position to
Speaker 2: need to defend themselves. And you know, comparatively, so, like
Speaker 2: my point is, you and I are far less likely
Speaker 2: to be attacked.
Speaker 1: I bet no one ever messages, right. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like they know I go through the worst areas.
Speaker 1: I never had any conflict, and when people are causing problems,
Speaker 1: I defuse this, m'me as they tell you not to.
Speaker 1: People always, but they act up for a second. When
Speaker 1: I calmly tell them I'm gonna fuck them up, They're
Speaker 1: always like, all right, they might my ears. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: a demeanor. I don't know, but like, no, he never
Speaker 1: fuck with me in the bad areas. I'm still not
Speaker 1: gonna go to the worst like fucking hood of course
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 2: But your ears, by themselves are always I think, how you.
Speaker 1: Carry yourselves up people kind of know who are targets
Speaker 1: and other people have been robbed, like a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and like no never I look around of people and
Speaker 1: they see like the demeanor the way they carry themselves.
Speaker 1: I think I even uh like, I won't look at
Speaker 1: you to rob this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I mean you could though, right like this
Speaker 2: is what's funny is but also even for.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for soone easier. Why do if someone
Speaker 1: looks like the confident you.
Speaker 2: Don't know even as like someone who's run I'm a
Speaker 2: big dude, and you're looking at me going, well like,
Speaker 2: I don't know who this guy is, Nate, he could
Speaker 2: know how to fight exactly or you know, or maybe
Speaker 2: he doesn't, or he's got a gun, you know.
Speaker 1: And so have you done a lot of hand dan
Speaker 1: combat training or a little bit?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I do, uh do quite a bit of
Speaker 2: Muay Thai, nice for for stand up, and then I
Speaker 2: do obviously a lot of a lot of shooting, a
Speaker 2: lot of shooting for martial arts pretty much all all
Speaker 2: muay Thai in boxing.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't do enough, and I guess you
Speaker 1: don't really need it, but they don't don't feel like
Speaker 1: they should do more like jitsu, And did.
Speaker 2: I tell people this? We do now it's as a hobby.
Speaker 1: Some guys do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first group, it's really popular because even uh, it's
Speaker 2: not Hoist gracy, maybe it is Hoys grazy, one of
Speaker 2: the gracies will come to first group and trains us,
Speaker 2: trains a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: Hoys is friend of miney, great guy. It might be hoist.
Speaker 2: I think it might be Hoist.
Speaker 1: I think guys that, but I'm not positive. It could
Speaker 1: be hinter. There's so many, there's like a million, like
Speaker 1: some I don't.
Speaker 2: But so it's really popular in first roof. Also it's
Speaker 2: like an Asian martial arts culture. So jiu jitsu is
Speaker 2: really popular. Like we have we do have our own
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu gyms and like we have our own uh
Speaker 2: like m m a fight competitions and stuff at at group.
Speaker 2: But it's more of like a hobby, right for like
Speaker 2: some guys do it, some guys don't. But from actual
Speaker 2: training standpoint, some like judo because you know someone. But
Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm operating firearms. And so the idea
Speaker 2: is like if in combat, if I am in a
Speaker 2: position where I have to fight you hand to hand,
Speaker 2: I'm in like the worst position. I'm in, like the
Speaker 2: worst day of my life because.
Speaker 1: I want someone touching you.
Speaker 2: Yeah no. And also I've got a gun.
Speaker 1: You carry a knife as well, oh yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but that you try to draw that if it will
Speaker 1: grab you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so shoo. Also side arm, so we always have
Speaker 2: two weapons systems on us. But my point being of
Speaker 2: like I've got also get a team with me. And
Speaker 2: so if I'm a position where my guns are down,
Speaker 2: I don't have my guns, I don't have my teammates.
Speaker 1: Like a lot went wrong at went wrong, right, so
Speaker 1: you fucked up really bad.
Speaker 2: There's not a there's not usually like the biggest need
Speaker 2: for it. Also, you know, and realistically downrange for us
Speaker 2: in like Iraq and Afghanistan, and like we're detaining people
Speaker 2: all the time because not everybody is an armed combatant.
Speaker 2: Like when we go into these villages, you'll have thirty
Speaker 2: forty fifty male villagers that aren't Taliban. Well, sometimes you're
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. Sometimes they're arms, sometimes they're not.
Speaker 2: So you're detaining people and like we're cuffing. We're cuffing people.
Speaker 2: It's called a MAM train. MAM is a military age male.
Speaker 2: We call MAM trains where we're like, you might have
Speaker 2: a train of like twenty thirty dudes like in front
Speaker 2: of us that are like going compound to compound or
Speaker 2: behind they're the ones they come with us.
Speaker 1: The entire objective, could they just speak the language, they
Speaker 1: know the culture, they understand things more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean we're detaining all these people because
Speaker 2: even if they aren't armed, I can't leave you back
Speaker 2: behind me. If you're in a military age male and
Speaker 2: we keep moving forward to clear and I leave it
Speaker 2: back here, you got a gun stash and now you're
Speaker 2: shooting us in the back. So, like everyone we come across,
Speaker 2: either if they're a combatant, is getting taken care of
Speaker 2: or is coming with us. And so there is a
Speaker 2: lot of situations where you're physically having to, you know,
Speaker 2: deal with grown men.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, any chokes is like the
Speaker 1: best I think they teach you guys. Chokes that, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of far the easiest way.
Speaker 2: So they're a lot. Like That's why I meant like
Speaker 2: a lot of like more judo and more of like
Speaker 2: being able to like lox choke all that type of
Speaker 2: stuff we do. We do, But what was I going
Speaker 2: to say? What was I gonna say? Oh, but I
Speaker 2: was gonna say. But at the same time and like that,
Speaker 2: in that culture, it's like the average dude that I'm
Speaker 2: detaining is like one hundred and twenty five pounds easy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a half my size, right, because they're talking about
Speaker 2: the giant American dudes and like these malnourished, not mountain nourished,
Speaker 2: but like Afghan he's living in the middle of the desert,
Speaker 2: right like so like and none of them are trained
Speaker 2: UFC fighters either. Yeah, so there's not there's not a
Speaker 2: lot that's really Uh, it's not like we're fighting the Russians, right,
Speaker 2: We're like there's some dude in my size, some spets
Speaker 2: nas dudes my size I'm all of a sudden a
Speaker 2: knife fight with. Yeah, bro, Like that's a lot. That's
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: I was just in a hairy situation with a bunch
Speaker 1: of Chachians and Dagas Dan He's bro. They all know
Speaker 1: how to fucking fight. Yeah, like me and a big bro.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was so sketch getting out of there.
Speaker 1: All these fuckers could like fight. Yeah, we were out
Speaker 1: numbered like about fucking one hundred, like four of them. Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a fucking sketch. You know
Speaker 1: how you've probably been around the Chachians at all or no,
Speaker 1: they're fucking no, No, we haven't, but they're they're rough.
Speaker 1: But uh well, actually like I we but they have.
Speaker 2: There has been times where, you know, US service members
Speaker 2: are like, uh, I think there's two famous, two famous
Speaker 2: ones in Syria where Russian Wagner Group and Chechenians with
Speaker 2: the Syrians gotten shootouts with Delta Force. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Brad told you about this, No, he did Delta
Speaker 2: Force and rangers and they killed I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think they killed one hundred and forty Chechenians and Syrians
Speaker 2: and lost zero.
Speaker 1: Wow. That's impressive because Chechians are pretty tough. That's impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Delta La zero killed everybody.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: That was like but it was like one of those
Speaker 2: because Syria, Syria before the Fall of Assad was so
Speaker 2: wild because you had the Civil War, you also had
Speaker 2: Russia there, like Wagner Group was there because they were
Speaker 2: obviously trying to help a SOD. But then you had
Speaker 2: America there two different capacities. You had America there with
Speaker 2: the CIA arming one group of rebels, and then you
Speaker 2: had you had American Special Operations with Range Battalion and
Speaker 2: Delta Force that were arming and leading a different group
Speaker 2: of rebels. So there was like five different causing chaos,
Speaker 2: five different factions. At some point, you had the CIA
Speaker 2: back rebels fighting the Department Offense back rebels. My god,
Speaker 2: we armed were just fighting fighting each other. And then
Speaker 2: you you would have some situations where because there was
Speaker 2: Russians and Ragner Group like that cross but also like
Speaker 2: the Russians were trying to deal with the Islamic terrorism
Speaker 2: too because they're back in it. But then the CIA
Speaker 2: is funding the Islamic Sunni.
Speaker 1: And Israel is treating the prisoners.
Speaker 2: Well, and Israel is also funding the helping they're helping
Speaker 2: isis right, which isis is trying to overthrow a SOD.
Speaker 2: So it's like Cria was. Syria was like six seven,
Speaker 2: eight different factions all and.
Speaker 1: It was a nice country. Before I lived there, they
Speaker 1: said it was beautiful, like.
Speaker 2: Everything going back to the you know, advent of like
Speaker 2: modern humanity and society.
Speaker 1: Syrias of them, I wanted to visit that place is
Speaker 1: one of the most Syria.
Speaker 2: All these places were like way ahead of the rest
Speaker 2: of the world for thousands of years.
Speaker 1: Exactly before Europe really took off.
Speaker 2: Well even up until nineteen hundred. Man like the Middle East,
Speaker 2: like the Ottoman Empire, of the Persian Empire, like very
Speaker 2: very different situation until after World War One, and we
Speaker 2: see we see the entire global paradigm shift once Israel
Speaker 2: went there.
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't the Ottoman Empire they had. They fought
Speaker 1: against it, right, I think was at World War One?
Speaker 1: Not sure at war basically we told them that they
Speaker 1: were going to give the Palestinians the land for they
Speaker 1: give the land back to them, I think they fought.
Speaker 1: Was that Lawrence of Ravy or something so, so England go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can have your land back. But then they also
Speaker 1: gave Rothschilds, the atheist Jewish banker, They told him they'd
Speaker 1: have the land.
Speaker 2: Nineteen thirteen I think is when they developed a plan
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so he said he could bring American
Speaker 1: into the war. Why could the guy bring American into
Speaker 1: the war. Interesting, right, just the power they have.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's like you go back and you're like, dude,
Speaker 2: you look at that and you're like, that was one
Speaker 2: hundred plus years ago and it was the exact same
Speaker 2: thing we're seeing happen right now. And like even now
Speaker 2: with the Rothschilds, why why did we just invade Venezuela.
Speaker 2: Why are we threatening to bomb i Ron? Why are
Speaker 2: we threatening Cuba? Because there's the last three countries besides
Speaker 2: North Korea, which they got nukes. Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You see why they want dukes now they're the last.
Speaker 2: Three country is outside of North Korea. They don't have
Speaker 2: a Rothschild Central Bank. That's crazy, that's it. They're the
Speaker 2: last three and they are the three.
Speaker 1: Countries and all the ones already taken over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we already we already in Libya, Syria, Sa'dan.
Speaker 1: We knocked out. There was a list a guy gave
Speaker 1: like seven countries after nine to eleven, we took out
Speaker 1: six of them already, I think, yeah, and none of.
Speaker 2: Them the only three lefts is the only three left
Speaker 2: are the three that were threatening.
Speaker 1: To crazy one, don't you see that you realize how banking,
Speaker 1: how powerful it is. You know, you guess you can
Speaker 1: print money out of ten aaron charge interest. That's pretty nice.
Speaker 2: We're not threatening to invade Cambodia for the problems with
Speaker 2: communism right now the border of Tyler there like and
Speaker 2: some slaughtering people left and right. We're not doing anything
Speaker 2: about Nigeria. We're not doing anything about so don Why.
Speaker 1: How funny is it seeing guys like Mark Levin Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro be like they killed people and Iran like you
Speaker 1: guys just committed a fucking genocide, verretaining like you care
Speaker 1: about dead Muslims.
Speaker 2: It's Mark Levine who cheered, literally cheered and laughed at
Speaker 2: somebody making a comment about Pastinian children being maimed and dismembered.
Speaker 1: Laughed, disgusting.
Speaker 2: He is gonna lecture us and tell us how important
Speaker 2: it is to save the Iranian people. That guy, Lindsay Graham,
Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham is gonna tell us how important it is
Speaker 2: for us to liberate the.
Speaker 1: Iray He's a psychopath. You can see. He just loves killing.
Speaker 1: And I think he's got I think he's got a
Speaker 1: thing for little kids or something. Oh, it looks like
Speaker 1: this same amount of yay you could just have on him,
Speaker 1: it has got to be extreme. I think he also
Speaker 1: loves killing and stuff too, though he wants all this
Speaker 1: psycho total psychopaths.
Speaker 2: All these people do, man, and it's and to me,
Speaker 2: it's so crazy. It's like all of these people that
Speaker 2: are salivating to go continue these forever wars, none of
Speaker 2: them fought the global War on Terror or have their
Speaker 2: kids sign up the entire Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walls,
Speaker 2: Michael Knowles, all these little fuckers like can't get ahead
Speaker 2: of themselves fast enough to bomb these countries. But like
Speaker 2: to your point, they didn't fucking serve their kids, didn't serve.
Speaker 2: None of these politicians kids are going to war. And
Speaker 2: so it's always it's always the people that never fought
Speaker 2: the war that are the ones that are like dying.
Speaker 1: They don't mind you going out and dying noble, but
Speaker 1: they have no problem losing guys like you. But they're
Speaker 1: not gonna send their own people. No, they said, Israel
Speaker 1: has not send one fucking soldier. Nope, And they go
Speaker 1: over and fucking bomb it with you wants and drones
Speaker 1: that we give them.
Speaker 2: No medical supplies, no logistics, no troops.
Speaker 1: Well, I looked up to issue.
Speaker 2: They didn't even let us. They didn't even let us
Speaker 2: use their country. To let me explain to you this,
Speaker 2: this is how fucked up this really is. Because people
Speaker 2: want to talk shit about Qatar right now during the
Speaker 2: entire global war on terror? How come I didn't travel
Speaker 2: through Israel to get into country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't let you. They wouln't let us, won't
Speaker 1: let Americas come there. They wouldn't let Americans are helping
Speaker 1: them fight. I looked it up, and so you know
Speaker 1: what we had to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I traveled into cutter Qatar every time we would
Speaker 2: go into Afghanistan or Iraq. That's how we went in
Speaker 2: a Muslim nation is what facilitated and allowed us to
Speaker 2: fight the global war on terror. They didn't even let
Speaker 2: us use their basis.
Speaker 1: I looked it up and there's at first like yeah
Speaker 1: they allowed me really and I started to do more digging.
Speaker 1: There's a couple that only do missile defense only for Israel,
Speaker 1: so they can't do anything else. They're completely monitored. It
Speaker 1: is not independent. They're there only to fight for Israel
Speaker 1: to give them weapons too, So we can't have any
Speaker 1: independent military there and then they just completely fuck us
Speaker 1: billions of dollars. Can't have one soldier unless it's fighting
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: And the entire the entire global war on terror. You guy,
Speaker 2: you know it was planned before nine to eleven, right,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. I have my break strategy.
Speaker 1: I think that I've gone pretty deep by nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: There's a lot well, I mean a lot of ties.
Speaker 1: Whatever we think with that, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: I believe that so many ties.
Speaker 2: You can look in nineteen ninety seven the clean break
Speaker 2: strategy developed by Israel and given to Benjamin Nett Yahoo,
Speaker 2: which was for US to overthrow seven countries in seven years.
Speaker 2: And we know those countries were Iraq, not Afghanistan, Iraq
Speaker 2: serrioused on Libya, Lebanon, and the final one we haven't
Speaker 2: is Iran. And so that strategy was developed four years
Speaker 2: before nine to eleven, and the second nine to eleven happens.
Speaker 2: It's turned on what do we do?
Speaker 1: Immediately?
Speaker 2: We develop a plan to invade Rock, which wasn't involved.
Speaker 2: Why they Sawma bin Laden supposedly planned the attacks from Kandahar,
Speaker 2: a cave from yeah, I know, from a compound in Kandahar.
Speaker 1: I've seen it too. It wasn't from Kayla's from a
Speaker 1: compound hung Yeah, is that the wine where supposed or
Speaker 1: got killed?
Speaker 2: This is in Kandahar. So this was before we ever
Speaker 2: invaded it, right, And.
Speaker 1: He denied doing it initially till eight years later.
Speaker 2: If that was even him, he denied, He denied it
Speaker 2: and denounced it from the beginning. Yeah, and so but
Speaker 2: my point is nine to eleven happens, and we immediately
Speaker 2: developed plans to invade Rock. Yeah, what is what is
Speaker 2: Saddam Hussein have to do with nine to eleven?
Speaker 1: They're opposite?
Speaker 2: Literally nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, it makes up one she Sunni when
Speaker 1: shed their opposite their.
Speaker 2: Sad Saddam's government was Sunni. Obviously they have big Shia
Speaker 2: population in Iraq too. But but again my point is,
Speaker 2: like we immediately used a I don't know if you
Speaker 2: want to call it a false flag or not to.
Speaker 1: Do one know who's done a lot of false to
Speaker 1: carry out.
Speaker 2: The entire strategy that Benjamin and Benjamin net Yahoo two
Speaker 2: thousand and two showed up to Congress. I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: seen the clips demanding demand and basically saying that Saddam
Speaker 2: Hussein obviously had weapons of mass destruction, and if we
Speaker 2: remove Saddam, then that way it would facilitate the chain
Speaker 2: effect where we could remove all of those other.
Speaker 1: Governments spread across the Middle.
Speaker 2: Freedomal ring, right. And so we know we carried all
Speaker 2: of that out on behest of Israel and it was planned.
Speaker 2: It was planned years before we ever did it, and
Speaker 2: then we used nine to eleven is a catalyst to go. Okay,
Speaker 2: Now we have the drummed up patriotism, we have the Islamophobia,
Speaker 2: we have everything. We need to get the American people
Speaker 2: because what we learned from Vietnam is you can't win
Speaker 2: the war if the people turn on you. And the
Speaker 2: people America turned or the Americans turned on the Vietnam War.
Speaker 2: We saw that obviously with the anti Vietnam protests and everything,
Speaker 2: and so they learned we've got to do it through
Speaker 2: patriotism and get the Americans on board, then then we
Speaker 2: can go and do whatever we want. And it's happening
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: They're pushing the anti Islam thinking before real quick, I
Speaker 1: want to go guess the Patriot Act that was also
Speaker 1: pre written, that was written by co written by Michael Cherdoff.
Speaker 1: Dual citizen with Israel. Yep, he's the one that got
Speaker 1: the dance in Israeli's out. Yeah. He also had machines
Speaker 1: and airports to scan you.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So they get rich off it. They have it all
Speaker 1: pre rich and.
Speaker 2: What do we what do we see right now? What's happening?
Speaker 2: That's the which the Patriot Act on steroids? Pollenteers system,
Speaker 2: that's scary. That's where it gets scary. Which is owned
Speaker 2: by who who owns Peter til and Alex car I know.
Speaker 1: These are some nasty Peter Till is like he owns JD. Vance.
Speaker 1: That's why it's scary. If Trump I hate Trump, but
Speaker 1: if he gets out, Vance is barely seems like a right.
Speaker 2: And I mean, where where is Pollenteers biggest system being
Speaker 2: used right now.
Speaker 1: By they have kill lists. I'm sure they have in
Speaker 1: America too. They have killed Oh yeah, yeah, you're we're
Speaker 1: on it, I asked, I asked chat or one of
Speaker 1: the chat was like, my cor go, I can't give
Speaker 1: that hypothetically. I was on the fucking list in the
Speaker 1: top fifty. Of course he goes make me a hypothetical list,
Speaker 1: and I was like, on there, I'm like, holy ship
Speaker 1: and it was guys like Edward Snowden, Juliana Sage, and
Speaker 1: I saw my name in there. I'm like, well, you've
Speaker 1: been in so many anti Israel.
Speaker 2: You've been You've been sort of way ahead of the
Speaker 2: curve on.
Speaker 1: This early which sucked. You didn't because you were you.
Speaker 2: Were before even October seventh, weren't you because you were
Speaker 2: criticizing October seventh before then went in on that day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lost a lot of followers that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but important what they were doing. But I knew what
Speaker 1: they were doing to the Palestinians, I meant to Israel.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is complicated. All I was saying, people
Speaker 1: just flipped out on me. The propaganda was so strong,
Speaker 1: and it's you know what's interesting about got a lot
Speaker 1: more people are speaking up now what's interesting about October seventh?
Speaker 2: We know October seventh was, Yeah, they let the people
Speaker 2: the false flag like it's it's were or let to happen.
Speaker 2: It's not even nobody is even Charlie Kirk was talking
Speaker 2: about them.
Speaker 1: Right when he got shot. Maybe getting that a fewments actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's like I forget what we were just
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: The the October seventh.
Speaker 2: How oh yeah, yeah, So October seventh so interesting to
Speaker 2: me because I was still I wouldn't even really thinking
Speaker 2: about the whole Israel thing October seventh happened. I was
Speaker 2: in the initial like how terrible this is pro Israel
Speaker 2: and then for me, for me where that shift happened
Speaker 2: and the shift happened quickly is just with my own eyes,
Speaker 2: just watching what was happening in Gaza as someone who did.
Speaker 1: Because you know what it should be, people like, well,
Speaker 1: America did it too, No, no, we did like that.
Speaker 2: No, we fucking didn't. And that's what turned me is
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 1: Didn't gonna put woman's clothing on after you killed the family.
Speaker 2: I did counter terrorism operations. I know what they look like.
Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed to indiscriminately bomb whatever I wanted. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed because though there're human shields. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: well okay, I'm just shoot that kid. Yeah, I'll just
Speaker 2: shoot the kid, or I'll just drop on the building. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Like none of that was allowed to happen. We had
Speaker 2: to operate, like I just told you, civilians that civilians everywhere,
Speaker 2: like I've got to be able to, you know, handle
Speaker 2: that situation, pull the civilians out, actually still deal with
Speaker 2: with the terrorist combatants and so or it's war crimes, yeah,
Speaker 2: or we go to fucking jail for the rest of
Speaker 2: our lives as US soldiers, like, we take that, We
Speaker 2: take that seriously. People maybe think, oh, all these special
Speaker 2: operators out there being cowboys, like we're not killing It's
Speaker 2: like the most professional war fighting in the world. And
Speaker 2: so if we were able to do that so successfully
Speaker 2: with almost zero civilian casualties, like at the counter terrorism
Speaker 2: surgical level early Iraq is a little bit different because
Speaker 2: we decided to just bomb everybody, right, but from the
Speaker 2: actual you know, dealing with ISIS or the Talban, like,
Speaker 2: we were never allowed to have that approach.
Speaker 1: Start bombing neighbors because if we would.
Speaker 2: Have just killed fifty thousand civilians at a time, and
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, you'd be hated and rightfully.
Speaker 2: So well all of us would be in prison. And
Speaker 2: so the fact that I know what this looks like,
Speaker 2: and then I saw what they were doing in Gaza,
Speaker 2: I went, oh, no, this isn't war, this isn't counter terrorism,
Speaker 2: this isn't counter insurgency, this is genocide. They're just indiscriminately
Speaker 2: fucking killing everybody. He's even more.
Speaker 1: Million people can't see that. Some do, but you feel
Speaker 1: like anywhere a lot that should look at that and
Speaker 1: be like.
Speaker 2: A lot So again, like we were kind of talking
Speaker 2: about beforehand, a lot have shifted this way. That's a
Speaker 2: lot have but a lot of global war tear on
Speaker 2: veterans do just still have a lot of anger and
Speaker 2: that Islam is the enemy.
Speaker 1: I guess it's hard to get the brains. You have
Speaker 1: fought that war. You you don't want to admit you
Speaker 1: were wrong, But they're literally sniping children on purpose. It's
Speaker 1: like they're just sick to range. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just sick to range. Like the shit they do is
Speaker 1: just and how you could beyond evil that you can
Speaker 1: rationalize how.
Speaker 2: You can defend that, especially as as a combat veteran
Speaker 2: who's you know, done this, had to fight combat operations
Speaker 2: or go to war and having to do it under
Speaker 2: the Geneva Convention and the laws of land warfare that
Speaker 2: we do. And then you turn and watch that to
Speaker 2: your point of like I'm watching and I'm watching video
Speaker 2: of like hordes of Palestinian people trying to with my
Speaker 2: own eyes trying to get like food and supplies as
Speaker 2: they're huddled in corners, as the idea for just shooting
Speaker 2: bullets into the berms around them as they're all huddled
Speaker 2: like this. I'm like, what the fuck am I looking
Speaker 2: at right now?
Speaker 1: It's insanity. It's hard to leave. It's real if they
Speaker 1: didn't have all the fucking videos, but it is really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people will try to say it's fake, but it's not.
Speaker 2: It's like well, and even a lot of the people
Speaker 2: that even some of the people I've debated won't even
Speaker 2: they won't even try to say it's fake anymore. If
Speaker 2: I like to show them the fly.
Speaker 1: A lot of them won't even like look through like
Speaker 1: these telegram channels and shit, and I just stopped looking
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: I'll just show them the flyover drone footage of Gaza.
Speaker 2: Show them fly over go drone footage of God to anybody.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen this, watch it. There's no more Gaza.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just demolish it all.
Speaker 2: It looks like Hiroshima.
Speaker 1: They bombed every fucking house, not Karens. There's women and children,
Speaker 1: it's all gone. They would tell them to move, then
Speaker 1: fucking bomb the tins. I think that's when Dan lost
Speaker 1: it when they told him to go. Then he fucking
Speaker 1: they bombed the tins. That's when he's like, I can't
Speaker 1: stay quiet anymore. Like you tell these people to fuck,
Speaker 1: they have nowhere to go. It's it's locked in. It's
Speaker 1: like walled off. I think it's like thirty miles long.
Speaker 1: It's an open air pride. They can't use it. You
Speaker 1: could flee the women, shoulder could flee a war. They
Speaker 1: can't go. They go somewhere and they bomb. They go here,
Speaker 1: they bomb them, They arrest them and they rape them.
Speaker 1: Fucking male prisoners, women too. The gang rape. They had
Speaker 1: riots to fucking pro gang rape riots because they initially
Speaker 1: they arrested some of the guys they raped to get
Speaker 1: them out. Then the guys became TV stars. It's fucking
Speaker 1: sick imagined, like shamefully after Iraq, the guys and what
Speaker 1: was the prison called Al Lah where they tortured the
Speaker 1: guys and humiliated them that they went to jail. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a shameful. That was a shameful moment for America.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, the guys people went to jail and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean it's it's like I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it's so crazy. It's like, uh, Eddie Gallagher,
Speaker 2: who I'm buddies with. I don't know if you know
Speaker 2: his story, Navy seal who the Biden administration tried to
Speaker 2: put him in prison for life for war crimes and
Speaker 2: he eventually beat it. But that was over one combatant detainee.
Speaker 2: So I believe it was either an ISIS fighter al
Speaker 2: Kaina fighter died in custody of the Navy seal team,
Speaker 2: and that by itself, they tried to put him in
Speaker 2: jail for the rest of his life because he was
Speaker 2: the commander. They didn't even know it happened with it exactly,
Speaker 2: and that was an enemy combatant. That wasn't some four
Speaker 2: year old girl that they shot in the face.
Speaker 1: There was that one girl on that she was on
Speaker 1: a call and she called because your parents got killed,
Speaker 1: and they circled and shot at like hundreds of times.
Speaker 1: I guess the guy that ordered that is an American citizen,
Speaker 1: a Jewish guy, a dual citizen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what I wanted to bring it back
Speaker 2: to is with Israel on October seventh is they actually
Speaker 2: had that could have even if it was it was
Speaker 2: false flagged that could have been Israel's nine to eleven moment.
Speaker 1: To the world.
Speaker 2: Israel could have been the darling of the world after that,
Speaker 2: had they used used that correctly and actually didn't then
Speaker 2: commit genocide, but actually went about, hey, trying to do
Speaker 2: strategic surgical terror, counter terrorism operations, letting in journalists, letting
Speaker 2: in all the aid. But here's my point, Like, let's
Speaker 2: say they did all that the right way.
Speaker 1: They could have.
Speaker 2: Had the entire world on their side. But what did
Speaker 2: they do. They did what their culture is all about,
Speaker 2: which is in my opinion, evil and demonic and violent.
Speaker 2: And so they've seen and so instead of becoming the
Speaker 2: darling of the world, they've completely exposed themselves. And now
Speaker 2: two years later, the entire discussion is different. The entire
Speaker 2: world outside.
Speaker 1: Of America, and a lot of America's turning on the
Speaker 1: right split the lefts turned on them, except with some
Speaker 1: of these evangelical Christians. It's like, I don't think Jesus
Speaker 1: with like blowing girls arms off. If you've been on
Speaker 1: the telegram channels of some of these is it'll be
Speaker 1: a girl with missing arms like ha ha, you can't
Speaker 1: tug her terrorist's father. Now it's just like it makes
Speaker 1: me sick.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy, dude. Yeah, these people are so fucking
Speaker 2: drained and it's and to your point, it is always
Speaker 2: the evangelicals that and I'm watching it with like the
Speaker 2: the Renee Good thing. Right, It's like it's if for
Speaker 2: me depending on your if. Your opinion is it was
Speaker 2: justified and you want to defend the ice officers, but
Speaker 2: you think it was a terrible situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine. I can understand that. I'm fine with
Speaker 1: that opinion. They're cheering it on.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with that opinion, but I'm fine with
Speaker 2: that opinion. I think that you could look at it
Speaker 2: that way and you could still say this is horrible
Speaker 2: for the country, this is horrible, But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I support the ice officer in this. That's different than
Speaker 2: like when I'm seeing people like making those types of
Speaker 2: memes like like showing her fucking up in heaven with
Speaker 2: like getting laughed at by Charlie Kirk and shit, and
Speaker 2: you're like, what aren't weren't you the same people that
Speaker 2: threw like through the biggest temper tantrums ever about people
Speaker 2: making fun of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1: I was that too. Yeah, A fan of Charlie Kirk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he was coming around. It was gross then, and
Speaker 1: it's gross in all these other situations too. But it's
Speaker 1: like those same people, the same people defending pedophiles pro
Speaker 1: pedophile people.
Speaker 2: It's the evangelical Christian magas that are like, hey, now
Speaker 2: we're defending pedophiles, and we think it's funny that American
Speaker 2: citizens are being shot in the face of the street.
Speaker 2: It's like for me, I'm just like.
Speaker 1: What, Yeah, I don't I'm definitely we're not voting, or
Speaker 1: if I do, I might vote Democrats, just say fuck
Speaker 1: you to them. I may hate the Democrats, but I'm
Speaker 1: just so sick of these people. It's like they've gone
Speaker 1: so insane. They serve Israel, they want foreign wars, potentially
Speaker 1: taking Greenland. We have our Europes up there doing military
Speaker 1: drills right now in case we have bade Greenland, Like what,
Speaker 1: We're maybe gonna go to fucking war with Europe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like we're the new Soviet Union, like trying to
Speaker 1: take land and it's insane.
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like we're trying to divide the world
Speaker 2: up into this like three pronged regional system where United
Speaker 2: States owns the Western hemisphere, Russia gets to and it's
Speaker 2: almost like America's policy on this is like, hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna let these things happen too. So United States gets
Speaker 2: to keep the Western hemisphere, Russia basically takes the North
Speaker 2: Eastern hemisphere, China takes the South Eastern hemisphere and like
Speaker 2: in the South China Sea and everything involved in that,
Speaker 2: and like we just go to this three prong Soviet
Speaker 2: Union era Cold War style regional system, and it's like
Speaker 2: do we is that really like where we.
Speaker 1: Want to go? We're in a better place, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem what the shitty part is We're not going to
Speaker 1: get any of Venezuelan and oil. I still want to
Speaker 1: support it, but if we were like getting they say
Speaker 1: they have like trillions, like eighteen trillion or something. If
Speaker 1: they're going to get let's talk money, then like, okay,
Speaker 1: I still want to support it, but at least you
Speaker 1: could rationalize it. But no, we ain't getting any of it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. So this is so funny with
Speaker 2: people that don't really understand what's happening with Venezuela and
Speaker 2: they're oil. So what Americans need to understand about Venezuela
Speaker 2: is we're not actually there to take any of that oil.
Speaker 2: What Venezuela has is heavy crude, heavy crude, and so
Speaker 2: American oil executives like Chevron exon Mobile, they already have
Speaker 2: all of the trillion dollar infrastructure built out in Canada
Speaker 2: because Canada also has primarily heavy crude. And so what
Speaker 2: in the United States the oil company has already told
Speaker 2: Trump like Venezuela's uninvestable bud, We're not interested. So what
Speaker 2: they want to do with Venezuela is what they want
Speaker 2: to do with Venezuela is basically limit and cut off
Speaker 2: production of heavy crude. So that way the American oil
Speaker 2: all it's higher profits in Canada because now Canada, Canadian
Speaker 2: heavy crew doesn't have to compete with the Venezuela oil market,
Speaker 2: so the profits are gonna fucking ramp up, and we're
Speaker 2: actually just going to limit the amount of oil coming
Speaker 2: out of Venezuela. That way, oil conglomerates don't have that competition,
Speaker 2: because why would they go try to invest a trillion
Speaker 2: dollars into infrastructure in Venezuela with again, we don't even
Speaker 2: know what's going on. The Moduro regime is still in power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's people don't realize we didn't take them out,
Speaker 1: as is.
Speaker 2: That the military Venezuelan military is still being controlled by
Speaker 2: Benuro's Moduro's regime, like they own the OI chain. We
Speaker 2: we own nothing in Venezuela.
Speaker 1: I know people, they just kidnap the guys.
Speaker 2: All, yeah, we've skilled out the leader. We don't we
Speaker 2: don't control the oil, We don't control anything. But we
Speaker 2: now potentially have the ability to throw embargoes. We'll just
Speaker 2: shut down the oil leaving Venezuela. So that way, the
Speaker 2: Canadian the American owned Canadian heavy crewed industry, it's just
Speaker 2: gonna be jacking. The price is up, and so it's
Speaker 2: like how is and people who are cheering this on, like, yeah, America.
Speaker 1: We just took all that oils and we didn't take shit.
Speaker 2: But it's like, but who did? Who you the American
Speaker 2: citizen that's you know, blue collar worker, the day to
Speaker 2: day just like all of us, right, like we call
Speaker 2: ourselves I would say, middle class Americans, right, lower middle
Speaker 2: class Americans. What do you think you're gonna get from
Speaker 2: from that system?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna get shipped.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get fucking nothing from that. And so why
Speaker 2: would you. But the Venezuelan people are gonna be worse off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because the Maduro regime is just still gonna stay in power, but.
Speaker 1: Also going to chaos too, we don't know.
Speaker 2: But also now they're not even gonna have that oil industry.
Speaker 1: They're really gonna be poor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be really fucking poor.
Speaker 1: Now we see there's this chick, Mashadow. She wants to
Speaker 1: be president and Trump was maybe, but he was mad
Speaker 1: that she took she won the Nobel Peace Prizes out
Speaker 1: of him, so she went and had to give it
Speaker 1: to him. I don't know why he was that not
Speaker 1: the most and then he's put it on his wall.
Speaker 1: I could you imagine if that's like if you've made
Speaker 1: me give him my belt or bard you had the military.
Speaker 1: If I put up my wall and I'm like.
Speaker 2: You if if you gifted me you're UFC belts, or
Speaker 2: I gifted you gifted you my valor, it.
Speaker 1: Would be cool, but I wouldn't act like it was mine.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what a dope thing to hang up nobody.
Speaker 1: He's acting like he won it.
Speaker 2: It would be like you being like, gifted me a
Speaker 2: uf SEA belt and I and I wore it and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm the former UFC champion.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's literally saying, you got a Noble Peace Prize.
Speaker 1: Now he's insane and.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, you're not just the guy who got
Speaker 2: gifted like participation trick.
Speaker 1: He's fighting with Norway guas because he didn't nominate him.
Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand the full thing. I just saw
Speaker 1: the details of it. But apparently he like freaked out
Speaker 1: of Norway he didn't nominate him, like you're bombing everything.
Speaker 1: He's been obsessed with these Nobil Peace prizes for years,
Speaker 1: Like Benjamin gave my top Top Top jew of the
Speaker 1: Year award and then the Israel Prize and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: also the FIFA, the FIFA Prize.
Speaker 2: Remember that you didn't see that?
Speaker 1: Is that like the top g awards.
Speaker 2: To no so FIFA the soccer organization. This was like
Speaker 2: three months ago they gifted him the FIFA Peace Prize.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a real thing. They made it up for him.
Speaker 2: It was the first time it was.
Speaker 1: But he really just wants Nobel Peace Prize. It's just
Speaker 1: so weird. He's he got one from that chick and
Speaker 1: now he's acting like it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean even the funniest thing is is
Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize is non transferable. It's by definition
Speaker 2: that Nobel Peace Prize Association will have already said.
Speaker 1: I can't take your valor or you it's non transferable.
Speaker 2: So it's like literally, Donald Trump now has Maria Machado's
Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize. It's not Trump's, it's not gifted to him.
Speaker 2: He just has her Nobel Peace Prize in his office.
Speaker 1: And Maga will say, this is cool, Yeah, he took
Speaker 1: her Nobel Prize, but like, why would you want it
Speaker 1: when you didn't make it?
Speaker 2: And also like that how pathetic on her part?
Speaker 1: Dude, I know, like she looked pathetic anyways to begin with,
Speaker 1: like who wants her running the country, but she really
Speaker 1: wants him to install her, so she gave over. Someone
Speaker 1: asked her on a thing because I guess it leaked
Speaker 1: that he was mad that she had it, so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll share it with him. Then she went and presented
Speaker 1: it to him, the whole thing, so weird mockery. It's
Speaker 1: a Maga it's and then you have like Dan but
Speaker 1: say his name, no, Dan Bongino got tough guy exposed
Speaker 1: Epstein files. Then he gets in there and he gets
Speaker 1: out and he's like, I'm gonna go after the guys
Speaker 1: that want to expose the Epstein viles. He's literally attacking
Speaker 1: Massy and the guys. He blocked you yet surprisingly not,
Speaker 1: which is shocking because I think I I've only commented
Speaker 1: like once or twice, I'm blocked from so many accounts.
Speaker 2: On they had Bongino's got a It's trending on Twitter
Speaker 2: right now. It's like blocked by Bongino, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's all these like prominent content creators who are like
Speaker 2: showing pictures of him being of being blocked by him.
Speaker 2: But it's like, dude, with him, he was he was
Speaker 2: like the the tough guy, I'm going to bring down
Speaker 2: the deep state. Like that was his That was his everything.
Speaker 2: It was that was his thing. It's like all he
Speaker 2: talked about was the Epstein files and and you know,
Speaker 2: going after these petos and getting accountability. So that was
Speaker 2: his whole stick, right Like my stick is like the
Speaker 2: green bray stick yours is the USC fighter stick. His
Speaker 2: stick was the I'm going to bring down the deep state.
Speaker 2: That was his stick. And then he went in to
Speaker 2: bring down the deep state. And then immediately he's caught
Speaker 2: emails basically offering to do whatever he can possibly do
Speaker 2: to help redact the Epstein files. I didn't see those, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I put those out of I did a video on
Speaker 2: that shit.
Speaker 1: I missed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was that was like him before he
Speaker 2: even got sworn in.
Speaker 1: It was a while ago.
Speaker 2: This was he's been redacted to help redacting the Epstein
Speaker 2: files for ten months.
Speaker 1: I thought he resigned because he couldn't take it anymore
Speaker 1: and he can't speak out, but instead he start attacking
Speaker 1: guys like me and you.
Speaker 2: He finally resigns ten months later, right before the Epstein
Speaker 2: file forty eight hours before the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: Drop or didn't drop their due like legally, and.
Speaker 2: Then again after his entire stick being I'm going to
Speaker 2: bring down the deep state. To your point, he gets
Speaker 2: out of the FBI and immediately gets on Twitter and
Speaker 2: is like, I'm going to bring down all.
Speaker 1: The guys, the guy who had the vote to release
Speaker 1: the Epstein files.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to bring down all the guys who
Speaker 2: are trying to bring down the deep state. That's like
Speaker 2: he went from.
Speaker 1: Now could that? Could you imagine being a fan of
Speaker 1: that guy. Now, I don't know, you got to be
Speaker 1: a I don't say last name. I think it's is
Speaker 1: going to be destroyed. But there's still our guys that
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, go Dan.
Speaker 2: I think this has been my prediction for him. He's
Speaker 2: going to try to do his own show. Got his
Speaker 2: comments section though. You go to any of those comments,
Speaker 2: I go lose some comments. God dude, it's he deserves
Speaker 2: just one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: People think they boost stuff with like bots because it
Speaker 1: will one hundred percent bad comments and it'll be like
Speaker 1: fifty thousand likes.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah so uh And then I
Speaker 2: think he's going to try to do a show. It's
Speaker 2: going to go horribly. He'll burn in, and I think
Speaker 2: he's going straight to Fox News and he'll go beyond it.
Speaker 2: He'll go be on Fox and Friends weekends, and that
Speaker 2: way he'll be able to go grift and chill for
Speaker 2: Trump and.
Speaker 1: Israel might hire him. Yeah, bar Wise, Yeah, Verry, you're right,
Speaker 1: very wise. He's the most talentless hack you have one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. I looked up like her podcast views
Speaker 1: think I asked Rock and it was like, my show
Speaker 1: is new, and I think I had like thirty times more.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine how much money were worth?
Speaker 1: I know, I think I calculated mine was worth like
Speaker 1: eight billion or something by the ratios for hers by
Speaker 1: views by C I had an eight billion dollars podcast.
Speaker 1: I was Jewish, I did.
Speaker 2: I mean there is dude, It's so funny, like people
Speaker 2: joke about that all the time. I'm like, man, I
Speaker 2: wish there was like an American first outlet that was
Speaker 2: given dollars a post week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, christ to just seven thousand seven.
Speaker 2: For us to just like talk how we normally are.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, you know, that's these uh.
Speaker 1: If I yeah, to push my real views, I would
Speaker 1: definitely take the seven thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how propped up they are, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was this Uh.
Speaker 2: I always wondered like with these at this point in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, these like hardcore like Brandon Tatum, right,
Speaker 2: these hardcore hardcore pro Israel shills, Like do they really
Speaker 2: believe this shit or is this like they're they're now
Speaker 2: sort of like in the grift and they're beholden to
Speaker 2: their viewers and so they just have to keep the.
Speaker 1: Majority of them are just chilling and they're doing it
Speaker 1: for the money. Yeah, it's kind of the Bele the
Speaker 1: B List. You noticed now it's not good to people
Speaker 1: like Charlie Kirk was kind of turning. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was for the right reasons. I think it was
Speaker 1: for popularity and money, yes, but you know, the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1: But he was still starting to turn on Israel.
Speaker 2: Well, and there definitely is some prominent figures you can
Speaker 2: tell or making that shift because.
Speaker 1: It's so unpopular. Because they didn't do it because they
Speaker 1: killed fucking blue kids arms and laughed and raped fucking
Speaker 1: people in prison. Yeah, they did it because they're losing
Speaker 1: money in popularity, especially with young people. And that's where
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk went. He was just like man of being
Speaker 1: constantly attacked. You know. I was told right on Harrison
Speaker 1: Smith Show two weeks before he got shot. He told
Speaker 1: me here that he told me that he thought Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk was Charliekirk said he didn't get killed by Israel
Speaker 1: if he laughed. I laughed it off at the time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's ridiculous, so ridiculous. But then he got shot
Speaker 1: and I was like.
Speaker 2: Because you're like, he's the he's the Israel guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, zionis I was supposed to debate on some very
Speaker 1: very big podcasts and then he pulled out. If you
Speaker 1: if he's better to better than me, but he knows
Speaker 1: he can't hold his position for ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Israel positions.
Speaker 1: But he pulled out of the debate on a very
Speaker 1: large podcast like really, Charlie, yeah, because we're debate we're
Speaker 1: in Israel.
Speaker 2: But then he ended up said no, I mean I
Speaker 2: agree that, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he can't. He knew he couldn't defend the position.
Speaker 2: No, and I I think that he stopped. He kind
Speaker 2: of was stopping trying in there. There's been quite a
Speaker 2: few times with Charlie, Like if you watched him on
Speaker 2: Patrick Bett David, he talked about October seventh and literally
Speaker 2: said one hundred percent this was a false flag. I saw, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that got pulled down by PbD. Don't
Speaker 2: maybe don't quote me on that. I may be wrong
Speaker 2: on possible, but there's been multiple times where he's like
Speaker 2: more recently started to shift and people, I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I haven't you know. I did a lot of Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk coverage on the actual shooting. I've never like put
Speaker 2: out a I think X did it, Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: think there's just actually so many different groups that have
Speaker 2: or had incentive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen a strong enough thing either to
Speaker 1: give an opinion. I think there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: off with the shooting, but I haven't seen a strong
Speaker 1: I think Ishoe has done a lot, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to blame them least I can actually see a link.
Speaker 2: I will say there is huge links.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one.
Speaker 2: The biggest one. The way I look at it is
Speaker 2: because he was basically so important from the zion As
Speaker 2: side to the young right wing audience, sort of that
Speaker 2: counter Nick Flentes audience right where the young gen z
Speaker 2: audience that Israel needs desperately because they have the boomers
Speaker 2: and older gen.
Speaker 1: X that are they're not We're not going to get
Speaker 1: them back there.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean like even like my parents, my dad,
Speaker 2: he's been a you know, I mean that generation just grew.
Speaker 1: Up gone strongest, and she was always slightly against him
Speaker 1: and now she's major lyg against.
Speaker 2: But I mean that generation grew up with like Israel's
Speaker 2: the good guy Judeo Christian.
Speaker 1: Values, like you can't do anything wrong. They're always the victims,
Speaker 1: and that's.
Speaker 2: Just always been what it is. And so but now
Speaker 2: with gen Z and even millennials, that support is disappearing,
Speaker 2: and it's like it went from like a neutral fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty to like forty points underwater.
Speaker 1: Now people really don't like them.
Speaker 2: And so if you're Israel and you're looking at this
Speaker 2: and you're going, Okay, we cannot lose the young right
Speaker 2: wing demographic. If we do, ten years from now, we're fucked,
Speaker 2: Like there will be no more American support. So Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk is the most important figure to us now. Conversely,
Speaker 2: because Charlie Kirk is so prominent and so relevant with
Speaker 2: young gen Z men, if he then switches to our side.
Speaker 1: And flips, get him before he flips too.
Speaker 2: If he flips, the game's over, right, because now that
Speaker 2: demographic you so desperately need. If the guy in charge
Speaker 2: of that flips, it's gone.
Speaker 1: They have to get him before he flips. Its right
Speaker 1: When he said he's given, wasn't.
Speaker 2: Forty eight hours? After forty eight hours, Charlie Kirk said
Speaker 2: that he was tired of being bullied by his Jewish
Speaker 2: donors and he no longer could he no longer could
Speaker 2: support the pro Israel cause. And he was dead forty
Speaker 2: eight hours later. So not to say that, but.
Speaker 1: It means that means nothing, but it means something. You're
Speaker 1: you're a gun guy. I think you're one of the
Speaker 1: ones that did a lot of the ballistics. I think
Speaker 1: i'd seen you before I realized who you were. You're
Speaker 1: doing these gun tests with yea with a thirty odd
Speaker 1: six and it looks like it doesn't do a nice
Speaker 1: little neat wound in the neck.
Speaker 2: No, No, So, yeah, we've done I've done a ton
Speaker 2: of work on the ballistic side of the Charlie Kirk case.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have, a lot of people have
Speaker 2: done a lot of really good work. And yeah, the
Speaker 2: idea a thirty six for and for your viewers who
Speaker 2: aren't gun guys, high high powered rifle that you used
Speaker 2: to kill moose and elk, like giant big game. And
Speaker 2: it's specifically a rifle that you choose to kill moose
Speaker 2: or elk because the power of that round is so
Speaker 2: strong that you need to potentially blast through, you know,
Speaker 2: a big ass feet of animal, multiple layers of bone, right,
Speaker 2: which blows because you've got to blow through the rib
Speaker 2: cage tendon. You've got to and hit the lungs and heart,
Speaker 2: and so you need a round that's gonna just do
Speaker 2: insane damage. And that's why thirty odd six is typically
Speaker 2: used for big game hunting. And so the idea then
Speaker 2: that that same caliber round at one hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: nine yards, which is a close shot, HiT's a skinny
Speaker 2: human neck and creates just a little hole, tiny hole.
Speaker 2: No exit wounds. I mean, and I've done my tests
Speaker 2: for people who have seen the videos, like seeing it, yeah,
Speaker 2: blow blows. We were shooting cow femurs. Man we're talking
Speaker 2: about like and we're talking.
Speaker 1: About like everyone too, is like a big explodes.
Speaker 2: It's not even like like ay, it made it through,
Speaker 2: like it explodes. And so you would have expected at
Speaker 2: least half Charlie Kirk's head to get ripped off by
Speaker 2: a thirty odd six round. And so that's really from
Speaker 2: the beginning. Where as soon as we heard this is
Speaker 2: a thirty odd six and like you barely see the wound.
Speaker 2: There's no exit wound. I think, no exit wound. The
Speaker 2: vast majority of guys who were into shooting were like, no.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's what everyone knows. I'm not a gun guy,
Speaker 1: So I can't say I know about choking motherfuckers, you know,
Speaker 1: but like you obviously should go to the experts to
Speaker 1: understand that, and all the experts say.
Speaker 2: No, now there is there is like there is possibilities
Speaker 2: of this to happen. That's what I tell people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird things could happen, I guess.
Speaker 2: So I think, like statistically, I've seen some actually like
Speaker 2: real ballistic mathematical terminal ballistics experts like kind of do
Speaker 2: the math on this, and it's really been like the
Speaker 2: idea is probably the odds of the official narrative that
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck with thirty odd
Speaker 2: six from one hundred and forty yards and did no
Speaker 2: exit wound maybe one in fifty to one to in
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand times. Wow, you would see that. So
Speaker 2: is it possible that the power ball got hit that day?
Speaker 1: But it's there, but it's extremely extremely way exit died
Speaker 1: his body.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's we don't know, because typically a
Speaker 2: thirty odd six is going to go through thirty inches
Speaker 2: of flesh before you go right through a body, right,
Speaker 2: it's going Yeah, thirty odd six is going right through
Speaker 2: typically anything from one hundred and one hundred and forty yards,
Speaker 2: Like you're expecting the damage of that bullet.
Speaker 1: Is except far way when you shot him.
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty yards, which is very close, and
Speaker 2: so yeah, you're expecting that bullet to tear through anything
Speaker 2: on the human body, through and through.
Speaker 1: So he shared no matter and it should have gone through.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it would have. You would have expected. And
Speaker 2: so then it becomes like, well, maybe it was some
Speaker 2: weird round, maybe it was bad ammo. Like there's all
Speaker 2: these different there's all these different ways people have tried
Speaker 2: to justify it, but no one has been able to
Speaker 2: replicate it.
Speaker 1: No one's been able to take it shoes something that
Speaker 1: put a little hole in it.
Speaker 2: Nobody's been able to take a thirty odd six out
Speaker 2: to the range and have it whoop, just do a
Speaker 2: little bit of a damage and then not go through something.
Speaker 2: Every single test you're going to see it's blown. I
Speaker 2: shot one shot through half in steel, half and steel
Speaker 2: straight steel. It's exact same gun, straight through, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like and you tried.
Speaker 1: Something from the same distance and stuff too.
Speaker 2: Or we shot everything, We shot everything from you know,
Speaker 2: we started with a pumpkin, and we shot like a
Speaker 2: sheep shoulder blade with about eight inches. We shot cow vertebrae,
Speaker 2: so like we're talking about human neck vertebrae. We shot
Speaker 2: col vertebrae, which is like, yeah, so waste twenty times.
Speaker 2: The blows it in half.
Speaker 1: We shot it should have blown right through his neck.
Speaker 1: They say it went down. I guess, but it didn't.
Speaker 2: Supposedly, we don't even know because the there's no there
Speaker 2: haven't released an autopsy reporter of medical report.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Supposedly shot him, hit him in the neck, and then
Speaker 2: that bullet deflected off of his c two vertebrae, crashed
Speaker 2: down through a couple more verticals, and then just like
Speaker 2: lodged in his.
Speaker 1: I'm not a gun expert, but I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it would reflect down. I don't know, it seems a little.
Speaker 2: So if the shot is coming from a downward angle,
Speaker 2: which on the roof down you would expect to see
Speaker 2: like as it hits something hard a deflection, it would
Speaker 2: be like this, right would it be like here? Bullets
Speaker 2: do this, and they'll deflect certain directions. But what a
Speaker 2: bullet won't do is do what they're claiming is there
Speaker 2: and down, which goes here and then ninety doesn't because
Speaker 2: that's not how Newtonian physics work, because if something gets
Speaker 2: hit so hard this.
Speaker 1: Way, you go off.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, it's either going to crash through or it's
Speaker 2: gonna impact mushroom and just be done. It's not gonna
Speaker 2: it's not gonna. Yeah, bullets, nothing does.
Speaker 1: No common sense, not a bouncing things work. Things don't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Right, It's not gonna hit something refract ninety degrees and
Speaker 2: then keep its and then keep its velocity to continue
Speaker 2: crashing through everything.
Speaker 1: Like, that's not very unlikely to me. Like you heard
Speaker 1: of the magic bullet theory with it's a it's one
Speaker 1: just like the magic bo that's just it's the Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk magic bullet theory. Now the Charlie Kirk. Yeah, actually
Speaker 1: a Jewish guy came up with the magic bullet theory
Speaker 1: shockingly right. It's like that it went through JFK's back.
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess like seven, I think entry and exit.
Speaker 1: Woman's like turning angles going through several people out turns
Speaker 1: here goes through stopped the mid air for a second
Speaker 1: because the timing was off.
Speaker 2: It was just like, now, these things can happen. So,
Speaker 2: for example, I had my fellow green Bery, Chuck River
Speaker 2: on on my show, who was shot in the spine
Speaker 2: with a with a forty seven seven six two round
Speaker 2: shot in the spine, tracked down his spine and created
Speaker 2: no excellent wow. However, it hit him high up in
Speaker 2: the spine and believing tracked through like thirty inches of
Speaker 2: his body and was like lodged in its mass and
Speaker 2: so and also that was a much much smaller round
Speaker 2: and much less less powerful. So if you were to
Speaker 2: expect something like that, it could happen. But like they're
Speaker 2: claiming that thirty odd six came in here, moved five
Speaker 2: inches and then stopped, and it's like.
Speaker 1: It doesn't doesn't seem like they don't know I'd gone.
Speaker 1: But from what I saw, it seems very unlikely. I
Speaker 1: haven't really followed this case that close, to be honest,
Speaker 1: but it seems.
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of audities. There's it's the most
Speaker 2: oddities of anything. I mean, it's just from start to
Speaker 2: finish of that entire situation, there's there's obviously so many
Speaker 2: people involved, and and not that we're like guessing, yeah,
Speaker 2: like there was people on Twitter messaging about Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: was going to be killed on September tenth. There was
Speaker 2: like eight different people who were message out Discard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: on Discord, Jess he was talking about this. When I
Speaker 2: had him on, he was breaking some of this because
Speaker 2: I hadn't really followed it that close. Yeah, so there
Speaker 2: was a bunch of people on Discord talking about it,
Speaker 2: people on Twitter talking about it. There was a person
Speaker 2: that wrote a song called Charlie Kirk dead at what
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk dead at thirty one? I believe that how
Speaker 2: old he was when Yeah, how whatever his age was.
Speaker 2: But Charlie Kirk dead at thirty one on like on
Speaker 2: September tenth or some shit like this was a song
Speaker 2: written before Charlie was like a month before he was killed.
Speaker 1: It seems like there might have been a group of people, Yes.
Speaker 2: There was tons. There was obviously a bunch of people involved.
Speaker 2: And then the assassination itself, like the gunshot goes off
Speaker 2: immediately there's an old, weird dude who's got his past
Speaker 2: down and weird. Yeah, Ashkenazi did it. Shocking everything.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: I did it. Shoot me, Shoot me, shoot me. There's
Speaker 2: another guy in the crowd, curly haired guy turned around
Speaker 2: cheering looking at the shooter, and we know more about him.
Speaker 2: He's super sketchy. What's his story. I can't talk about
Speaker 2: it yet. There's actually some real weird shit going on
Speaker 2: with him. That Jesse on Fire, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, show he was breaking it down because I've been
Speaker 1: so busy during that time period, I hadn't been able
Speaker 1: to follow it.
Speaker 2: So he Yeah, he uncovered a bunch of stuff on
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: You had.
Speaker 2: Hunter Kozak, the guy who asked the question.
Speaker 1: Jesse, you would tell me this? And after that he
Speaker 1: was fucking asked the eric. I'm sure you saw that
Speaker 1: right ahead explaining it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Hunter Kozak is the guy who asked the
Speaker 2: question about trans gun violence right before Charlie gets shot. Well, Bran,
Speaker 2: he does this thing. Charlie gets shot and he does
Speaker 2: this panic thing. Well, there's footage of him in the
Speaker 2: crowd doing this, like practicing his reaction that's insane, like
Speaker 2: his same reaction he does. Yes, he's like out by
Speaker 2: himself in the crowd. There's people a video of him
Speaker 2: practicing this shit randomly, and then he gets up there.
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk gets shot.
Speaker 1: In the face and he does about trans violence, and
Speaker 1: a person connected to Tran shoots him. You know, they
Speaker 1: brought him back to talk to Eric.
Speaker 2: And then they had and then they had him on
Speaker 2: the show to talk to Ericsane when he obviously I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say, I don't want to get sued because
Speaker 2: we don't know, but like certain people do a lot,
Speaker 2: why were you practicing that that's weird before that?
Speaker 1: Would you also say they ran and grabbed the camera
Speaker 1: footage right away, like if you got shot, I went
Speaker 1: run and grabbed if you got shot and I ran
Speaker 1: and grabbed that and ran off instead of trying to
Speaker 1: help you, And.
Speaker 2: There's way there's there's that. Plus that's footage if you
Speaker 2: actually watched the second that Charlie is shot, he immediately
Speaker 2: two different guys do this. The gunshot goes off, he
Speaker 2: immediately takes off, running around the corner, pulls his phone out.
Speaker 2: There's footage of him doing it, but.
Speaker 1: Also runs and gets the bottom.
Speaker 2: No, he runs around the corner and he goes, they
Speaker 2: just shot Charlie. He's dead. He's dead. And it was like,
Speaker 2: there's you didn't even see that. You didn't even he
Speaker 2: hadn't even hit the ground yet before a year around
Speaker 2: the corner that.
Speaker 1: Are running to help him. He runs off to say
Speaker 1: he's dead.
Speaker 2: To film it right, and then he's like filming Charlie
Speaker 2: as his body gets and these are big people, all
Speaker 2: working for TPUs.
Speaker 1: Now I don't want my friends to do.
Speaker 2: You also have Mikey McCoy, who is the what is
Speaker 2: the chief of staff or whatever is at Turning Point USA.
Speaker 2: Another guy who's standing next to the guy we've talked about. Also,
Speaker 2: Charlie gets shot within zero point eight three seconds, less
Speaker 2: than one second of Charlie's being shot, his phone is
Speaker 2: at his ear, already on the phone with someone he turned. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can watch you guys can watch footage on that.
Speaker 1: That's insane.
Speaker 2: He turns around, Charlie just gets shot, pulls his phone up,
Speaker 2: turns around slowly. Everybody's screaming. Everybody's screaming, running ducking for cover.
Speaker 2: People are trying to help Charlie. He turns around, phone
Speaker 2: of the ear, just walks off slowly, and you just
Speaker 2: they have footage of him just walking and he just
Speaker 2: walks off parking.
Speaker 1: If you get a friend shot, you're either gonna try
Speaker 1: to shoot guy that shot him or you're gonna go
Speaker 1: and try to help my mont slowly, dude, and not
Speaker 1: like you're not gonna grab your phone with a panic.
Speaker 2: Like he picks it up and like just casually as
Speaker 2: as people are running around.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Charlie was gonna die when I saw that,
Speaker 1: but I still would have grabbed his neck, tried putting
Speaker 1: pressure on it, try to get him out of there.
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing that I've broken down in
Speaker 2: videos of talking about the security detail, and it's like
Speaker 2: the massive failures and that we can watch them as
Speaker 2: they're treating Charlie like we've seen like nobody has any
Speaker 2: blood on their hands at.
Speaker 1: All, because blood should have been shooting out, right, what
Speaker 1: was You can watch the blood, That's what it shut out.
Speaker 1: That's why I thought I was pretty sure he's die, right,
Speaker 1: and I saw I'm sure.
Speaker 2: And then everybody gets on him and you can see
Speaker 2: them treating him and then like you see everybody's.
Speaker 1: Hands stopping the blood and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, and we know they weren't because when they pick
Speaker 2: him up, and I had heavy criticisms of this, I
Speaker 2: broke down the whole trauma medicine failures of this. They
Speaker 2: pick him up to take him to the car. Nobody's
Speaker 2: holding any pressure on his neck at all.
Speaker 1: You have medical that's the first thing I would do that.
Speaker 2: Just hanging out is he's just bleeding out.
Speaker 1: Because that's obviously what you want to try to stop
Speaker 1: the bleeding.
Speaker 2: And nobody's holding any pressure on his neck. As they're
Speaker 2: taking into the car, they're just like they just dragged
Speaker 2: and then they just throw him in the car and
Speaker 2: you're like, and it's even crazier. Paramedics are there with
Speaker 2: like the high level med bags and equipment trying to
Speaker 2: treat Charlie, and the security detail wouldn't let them treat Charlie.
Speaker 2: There's then as they wanted to make sure he died.
Speaker 2: It sounds I don't know, but say that and get
Speaker 2: this is all on footage and videos I've done.
Speaker 1: I look, I was just so busy when happened.
Speaker 2: You couldn't. Really It's all on camera and no one.
Speaker 1: Stopped the bleeding from coming out. No, that's the first
Speaker 1: you can do. Everybody can watch him getting carried to
Speaker 1: the car as one of your friends. You're going to
Speaker 1: stop the bleeding right away, right, you have to regular
Speaker 1: because that's a bad, bad that's the only possibility of surviving.
Speaker 2: Arterial wound like that, you're gonna be dead in sixty
Speaker 2: to ninety second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you going to ride away, and you.
Speaker 2: Have to holy you have to get your hands in there.
Speaker 2: You have to actually get your thumbs on that laceration.
Speaker 1: A lot more than me, but I would think, go
Speaker 1: cover it right away.
Speaker 2: You have to. And so we can watch that. And
Speaker 2: then as they go to put him in the car,
Speaker 2: the paramedics are trying to give TPUSA they're AID bags
Speaker 2: and they won't take them, and then they just drive
Speaker 2: off as that. Paramedics are like, they wouldn't let the
Speaker 2: paramexic get in the car either, And you're like all
Speaker 2: of those things when you start. So my point is
Speaker 2: when we think about all the crazy shit we just
Speaker 2: I talked about the thirty six stuff, bizarre, all these
Speaker 2: other people involve people doing weird shit. The security detail,
Speaker 2: not rendering proper aid, not letting the paramedics contribute, taking
Speaker 2: him to a drive him, they put him in. No,
Speaker 2: they put him in a vehicle and then drug him, put.
Speaker 1: Him in like an ambulance, or they didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't even wait for paramedics, which they should have done, No,
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't let the paramis get in the car.
Speaker 2: Then they take him to a they take him to
Speaker 2: a hospital that's a lower level of trauma care. And
Speaker 2: further away then a hospital that's two minutes away that's
Speaker 2: a high level trauma care.
Speaker 1: Why holy And so this is insane. I do not
Speaker 1: know all this.
Speaker 2: So my point is like, who did it? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Was it all set up with confidence or was it?
Speaker 2: But I can look at a thousand things like that
Speaker 2: and go, is there one thousand coincidences here?
Speaker 1: When you start the more things you start seeing them
Speaker 1: more likely it becomes and you look at who has
Speaker 1: a history of doing these type of things. And you
Speaker 1: can look on Wikipedia and look at assassinations Israel, the
Speaker 1: ones they emit doing not not they do him across
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: And how many hots of the high level famous assassinations
Speaker 2: in the United States have we then later been like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just some crazy loan gunmen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of them.
Speaker 2: None, None of them. We know now from MLK to
Speaker 2: JFK to even Abraham Lincoln, we know all of these
Speaker 2: assassinations had big government influence, had high side CIA massade
Speaker 2: level influence like these things are not being carried like.
Speaker 2: Is it possible that Tyler Robinson, some dipshit twenty two
Speaker 2: year old kid whose hobbies include magic the gathering and
Speaker 2: video games and furries, that he woke up one day
Speaker 2: never seeing the campus, somehow drove all the way to UVU.
Speaker 2: Knew exactly where to go, exactly where to infiltrate to
Speaker 2: get onto this roof to have the perfect line of
Speaker 2: sight to where Charlie was going to be. How do
Speaker 2: you know where Charlie was going to be there? I
Speaker 2: don't know. There's multiple pavilions of where he could have been, right,
Speaker 2: but he knows where to go. He intel trades in
Speaker 2: stay where he was going to be put right, he
Speaker 2: intel trades in. He somehow we still have never seen
Speaker 2: any pictures of the footage of him with a gun.
Speaker 2: He somehow has this magic gun that he gets to
Speaker 2: the roof that we have no footage of, takes the shot,
Speaker 2: x fills, gets out, gets away, then decides to go
Speaker 2: into the woods and throw his gun on the ground
Speaker 2: in a chicken coop.
Speaker 1: That's not what I would do with the gun if
Speaker 1: I just shot someone.
Speaker 2: Well, all of he already got away, So why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you go put it in your car.
Speaker 1: You go, and if you get rid of you, we're
Speaker 1: gonna fucking bury it somewhere it's not gonna get from.
Speaker 2: No, he just goes and throws it in a chicken
Speaker 2: coop right by where he supposedly Again, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: he pulled all of this off. He gets away unscathed.
Speaker 1: Assassination attempt like a like a brilliant move, brit Why
Speaker 1: I thought it done by some dumb kid.
Speaker 2: When it first happened. I thought this was some type
Speaker 2: of professional level hit because he got away.
Speaker 1: It seemed like he got in, killed him and got
Speaker 1: out to the neck where you're gonna bleed out, and
Speaker 1: and gets away. And then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: gun gets stashed right there. They find the gun, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's like he's sending text messages.
Speaker 1: I did it, I.
Speaker 2: Did it, and here's how I did it, and I
Speaker 2: promise my furry boyfriend had nothing to do with this,
Speaker 2: and my love and all these different things, and you're like,
Speaker 2: and then and then he again, he gets away, and
Speaker 2: the only way he gets caught is supposedly his dad
Speaker 2: turns him in. That's what the media tells.
Speaker 1: Us parents, you don't even when the kids are wrong,
Speaker 1: but maybe, But then we find out that's not true.
Speaker 1: The truth is what happened is a sheriff who used
Speaker 1: to be like I guess the boy Scout troop leader
Speaker 1: of Tyler and friends of the family saw the picture
Speaker 1: of what there was a picture of him like walking
Speaker 1: up the stairwell that they were using to try to
Speaker 1: figure out who he was before anybody knew who he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so supposedly the family friend actually sees the picture,
Speaker 1: realizes it's Tyler, goes over to Tyler's house, convinces Tyler
Speaker 1: and the family, you need to turn yourself in or
Speaker 1: the swat team's going to show up here and they're
Speaker 1: going to fucking kill you. And so then Tyler decides
Speaker 1: to turn himself in willingly to the police. They lose.
Speaker 1: The sheriffs lose all the camera footage supposed to of
Speaker 1: him being detained and being brought in. Don't they have
Speaker 1: to have the cameras.
Speaker 2: No, it's all lost. It's all gone.
Speaker 1: So all of the footage, automatic, aren't they It's gone.
Speaker 2: It's deleted. Jesus, it's lost. It's the lost footage Now
Speaker 2: and so so again like.
Speaker 1: Multiple police I would imagine came arrested, not just one.
Speaker 1: All their camera footage is gone.
Speaker 2: Yep, so there's no footage of him being arrested now,
Speaker 2: and so you're just like you start to when you
Speaker 2: go start to finish, and you go, do we believe
Speaker 2: that this was this dip shit twenty two year old
Speaker 2: kid who pulled all this off with zero training?
Speaker 1: Zero sounds like zero held there green Bray would do,
Speaker 1: Mischion gets away.
Speaker 2: And I just don't believe that. I don't. I just
Speaker 2: do not. I don't know who did it, who done it,
Speaker 2: but I do not believe that like this, the official
Speaker 2: narrative that this kid with a thirty odd six, that
Speaker 2: nobody's ever seen him get to the roof with all
Speaker 2: of this other.
Speaker 1: Shit, dumb fucking video game player seems seems unlikely to me.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. I mean, maybe, right.
Speaker 1: There's always there's always possibly, But wasn't he did he
Speaker 1: not have the gun when he jumped off the roof too,
Speaker 1: or they say it was or.
Speaker 2: Something, So yeah, they said it was in his pants.
Speaker 2: And then you see him jump off the roof from
Speaker 2: ten feet and his knees buckle the full ninety.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, so they say he took it apart. How
Speaker 1: quickly you can take those guns apart.
Speaker 2: With thirty odd sticks? He would have had to take
Speaker 2: it apart, because the footage supposedly starts of him running
Speaker 2: right after the gun shop. He would have had to
Speaker 2: take that thirty out six apart in about three seconds, which.
Speaker 1: You got how quick could you and you're a professional.
Speaker 1: Two minutes probably you'd have to go out your whole
Speaker 1: life and it would take.
Speaker 2: You that long yeah minute, Well, and he's guess he's
Speaker 2: a lot better than you. But keep yeah, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: he just he just killed someone and he's on a roof,
Speaker 2: and potentially he's gonna get out of the face with
Speaker 2: the gun or leave the gun, or why wouldn't you
Speaker 2: just run with the gun?
Speaker 1: Run with a gun? You wouldn't take it apart. If
Speaker 1: is it takes two fucking minutes or even thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: well you'd have to get out right away before any
Speaker 1: If he.
Speaker 2: Had had some like collapsible AR fifteen style platform where
Speaker 2: you could just collapse the butt stock, throw it in
Speaker 2: the backpack, what it was right not cord to the FBI.
Speaker 2: According the FBI is this forty four inch Mauser screwscrewdriver?
Speaker 2: Screwdriver so for a mouser. Yeah, there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: different screws that you got to decompinm.
Speaker 1: To take screws out. Yeah, yeah, you're not.
Speaker 2: It's not like an AR fifteen, you know where you
Speaker 2: like can decan spin it off like AR fifteen, you
Speaker 2: like detent. You just detempt the buttons and you can
Speaker 2: pull it apart real quick. Now there's actual tools. Most
Speaker 2: of time, you need a vice.
Speaker 1: Clamp for your life. It will take you two minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's insane. There's no way.
Speaker 2: Well, but he also supposedly put it back together on
Speaker 2: the roof. But and then people are like, well, then
Speaker 2: how he took a cold boar shot? Is the scope
Speaker 2: even zeroed anymore? Because he took the entire gun apart
Speaker 2: and then put it back.
Speaker 1: Together, like found was it put put together?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And then when he found it it's all put together
Speaker 1: back together. Woreen he ditched it supposedly. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, And that's why the story has been
Speaker 2: so crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, I didn't follow it because I was
Speaker 1: too busy and I didn't like you know, you get
Speaker 1: stuck down rabbit hole and you can't stop.
Speaker 2: But it's the ultimate it's a rabbit want.
Speaker 1: Where I would just not be able to stop because
Speaker 1: that can happen to me sometimes. So that's why I
Speaker 1: avoided it.
Speaker 2: No, it's the ultimate rabbit hole story for sure.
Speaker 1: Took the gun apart, it takes two minutes, and jumped off,
Speaker 1: put it back to but he was running within a
Speaker 1: couple of seconds. Put it back together to ditch it.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck you put a gun back together to
Speaker 1: ditch it? And why are you do? Nobody knows, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't have another theory, but I know who
Speaker 1: kills a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's kind of the usual suspect when it
Speaker 2: comes to like, hey, if you're wondering who might have
Speaker 2: been behind.
Speaker 1: This, it's probably intimes of like an assassination.
Speaker 2: Well, if I had to, if I had to put
Speaker 2: my own money on it, then like hey, or like
Speaker 2: gun to your head. You got to decide.
Speaker 1: I know what I would say, our greatest ally, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm probably I didn't know all that stuff
Speaker 1: he had said. That's crazy. They didn't treat his net
Speaker 1: that that's insane right there. They didn't try to stop
Speaker 1: the blood, that's common sense. They claim that anyone's not
Speaker 1: an idiot knows that.
Speaker 2: They claim they did. But like we can watch the
Speaker 2: footage of them, we can't see we can't see Charlie's neck,
Speaker 2: but we can see the people working on him, and
Speaker 2: we can see them pull their hands.
Speaker 1: Though there's no blood.
Speaker 2: There's no blood on anybody's hands that's working on And.
Speaker 1: I heard he did to take his gun apart, but
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that difficult to take apart,
Speaker 1: that you can't just snap it off. No, you could
Speaker 1: screw it real quick.
Speaker 2: Not thirty odd six though, No, that's a hunting rifle.
Speaker 1: There's no way you're taking two minutes up. They're in
Speaker 1: the roof and.
Speaker 2: You just ran with it. No, we know he didn't
Speaker 2: because he sprint off. Because you can there's a there's
Speaker 2: footage of him. One person got a camera footage of
Speaker 2: him from behind Charlie Kirk that you can see. You
Speaker 2: can actually see him running away on the roof or
Speaker 2: whoever it is, running away on the roof. You can't
Speaker 2: see a gun in his hands.
Speaker 1: But I saw that video of him jumping. I don't
Speaker 1: see again.
Speaker 2: You can see him running away and so you know,
Speaker 2: and that's when the crowd is freaking out. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so you know, the gunshot goes off.
Speaker 1: Boards I did it. That was the diversion for someone.
Speaker 2: To get A gunshot goes off and you can see
Speaker 2: him running.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's not like the gunshot goes off and then well.
Speaker 1: If you're to shoot someone, you'd want someone to take blame,
Speaker 1: to throw them off real quick. You'd want someone to
Speaker 1: be I did it, I did it while the really
Speaker 1: shooter runs off. Yeah, I don't know. There's just again
Speaker 1: we we seems calculated. It could be a random coincidence,
Speaker 1: but that seems very calculated. You give the shooter a
Speaker 1: chance to get away by saying you did it.
Speaker 2: They just think about coincidences that it just happens. Somebody
Speaker 2: assassinates somebody and there's another person in the crowd who
Speaker 2: immediately says I did it, I.
Speaker 1: Did it, I did it chosen. There's not very many
Speaker 1: of those in Utah either.
Speaker 2: I think there's like, uh, like, really do we do
Speaker 2: we really think the coincidences of that just random guy
Speaker 2: in the crowd, the second.
Speaker 1: Guy shot like child porn apparently.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, And you know why that was so important
Speaker 2: because you cannot in the media. Media is not allowed
Speaker 2: to interview anyone that is under investigation for childborn and
Speaker 2: so no one can talk to that.
Speaker 1: One of the only crimes that it's like that, yep,
Speaker 1: and no one that's what he I caught for. Yep.
Speaker 2: No one can talk to him or find out anything
Speaker 2: about him now because of it.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's like when Jack Ruby shot Oswald, isn't that convenient? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Mkota Jolly West, you're the number two guy.
Speaker 1: He like, weaseled his way in to get to see him,
Speaker 1: the judge didn't want to get him. The everybody got
Speaker 1: in there, and then his brain was scrambled. After that,
Speaker 1: he just went babbling. Not the same person after that, yep.
Speaker 2: And that that same guy was also I believe at
Speaker 2: the Boston bombing. He had he had called in a
Speaker 2: bomb threat at the Boston bombing before it happened, and
Speaker 2: then was also I believe at nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's a nice fella.
Speaker 2: Just this Oscar hon Drew jew that just happens to
Speaker 2: be at nine to eleven the Boston bombing is Arlie.
Speaker 2: But also at those events doing sketchy shit.
Speaker 1: And having child porn. The one thing where you can't
Speaker 1: talk to someone. I didn't realize it was the one
Speaker 1: thing you can't talk to the media. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's all convenient, just coincidences, just a
Speaker 2: lot of like.
Speaker 1: A lot of these things about the quints. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's the JFK thing with all the coincidences of of
Speaker 1: our greatest allies on there, yep, and chosen people. Just
Speaker 1: again and again if.
Speaker 2: You want, we were talking about me talking about the
Speaker 2: kfks hitten that for a few before we Yeah, so
Speaker 2: JFK Green Brays love JFK JFK. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 2: know the story about how the Green Bray came to be?
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. Yeah, tell me the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so JFK. So Green Berets or Army Special Forces
Speaker 2: derivative kind of like spurred from the OSS after World
Speaker 2: War Two but hadn't become the Green Berets yet, and
Speaker 2: so Army Special Forces, and I believe it was in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two nineteen sixty three, was starting to operate
Speaker 2: in Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia sort of at the
Speaker 2: start of that conflict, and JFK actually came to see
Speaker 2: excuse me, came to see the Army Special Forces unit
Speaker 2: at training group, and he came to see like the capabilities.
Speaker 2: So he came to see what green Breys could do,
Speaker 2: because like see an unconventional warfare and how we do
Speaker 2: all the cool stuff that we do. And the commander
Speaker 2: at the time was William Yarborough, who actually just just
Speaker 2: a bad ass war This green beret it was not
Speaker 2: that well he would wear green beret with his Army
Speaker 2: unit uniform. It wasn't a approved headgear at all, and
Speaker 2: if he could get away with that. He's just a
Speaker 2: fucking badass special Forces commander that liked having this green
Speaker 2: headgear that he'd wear, and so he's he's wearing it
Speaker 2: as he takes JFK around to see all these demonstrations.
Speaker 2: So like one of the demonstrations, they come up and
Speaker 2: this guy pulls this huge poisonous snake out of this
Speaker 2: green bray pulls this huge poisonous snake out of a
Speaker 2: box and shows it to JFK. JFK is like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck right, and then he grabs it. And then
Speaker 2: this is where we get the Green Brays are called
Speaker 2: snake eaters. This is where this comes from. He just
Speaker 2: grabs this poisonous snake, puts the entire thing in his
Speaker 2: mouth behind the glands in front of JFK and just
Speaker 2: rips its head off with his teeth and then like
Speaker 2: flays it open and shows JFK how to basically like
Speaker 2: devenomize and prepare this poison a snake to eat. And
Speaker 2: so JFK is like, dude, JFK is like watching these
Speaker 2: Green Brays do the shit, and it's like, these fucking
Speaker 2: guys are the coolest ever, right, And so JFK becomes
Speaker 2: this like huge fan of the Green Beray or the
Speaker 2: green Brays before the Green Brays, and then he's talking
Speaker 2: to world in the yarbro and he goes, is this
Speaker 2: year guys's headgear? Is this what you wear? And he
Speaker 2: goes he goes, no, this isn't actually approved to wear.
Speaker 2: I just fucking like it, right, And JFK goes, well,
Speaker 2: from now on, Army special forces will wear that head gear.
Speaker 1: That is awesome.
Speaker 2: So the Green Bray is the only presidential ordered headgear
Speaker 2: in the US military, So like, no one can tell
Speaker 2: me to take it off. I can have it. I
Speaker 2: can have it rescinded. If you know, if I do
Speaker 2: some bad stuff, then we know that's happened to some
Speaker 2: people in the space. But but outside of that, like
Speaker 2: you can't you can't ever take it away from me
Speaker 2: because it's presidential order, and so that that's uh. That
Speaker 2: obviously like built the foundation of the Green Brays as
Speaker 2: a unit, and so like everything is named after jfk
Speaker 2: So our training group is like the John F. Kennedy
Speaker 2: Special Warfare Center in school, Like everything's named after jfk Uh.
Speaker 2: And then what gets really interesting is, I believe it
Speaker 2: was in nineteen sixty three we had a lot of
Speaker 2: Green Berays that were starting to get killed in Vietnam
Speaker 2: and Cambodia and Laos and the the initial portions of that,
Speaker 2: and John F. Kennedy decided, I don't want any more
Speaker 2: fucking Green Berets dying for whatever the fuck this is
Speaker 2: in Vietnam, Like, we are not doing this, and so
Speaker 2: he makes the decision. This is also right around the
Speaker 2: same time he makes the decision to stop the invasion
Speaker 2: of Cuba. Right, so if you're aware of that, we
Speaker 2: were gonna we were gonna.
Speaker 1: Over weren't thing a bomb American citizens.
Speaker 2: Not only that, but there was an entire uprising, basically,
Speaker 2: an entire uprising ready to kick off. And then basically
Speaker 2: the CIA wanted JFK to be be willing to invade
Speaker 2: Cuba right after we were a false flag the false flag, yeah,
Speaker 2: false flag. Then we were going to invade Cuba.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then JFK obviously shuts that down. It's like, fuck, no,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna let you kill American citizens to push
Speaker 2: forward this foreverwhere So now he's so keep this in mind, right,
Speaker 2: So now he's shut down the CIA on Cuba, he
Speaker 2: shut down the CIA on what's going on in Vietnam. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then he also decides that he's going to stop
Speaker 2: Israel yeah, from having a nuclear program sort of all
Speaker 2: in the same time period and then got shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's also shutting down their version of APAC before
Speaker 1: his APAC yep, and then he got shot. It was
Speaker 1: probably a venture between the CIA and WASSA because there's
Speaker 1: that James Singleton or whatever he was the CIA counterintelligence
Speaker 1: who they had they were watching Oswald YEP Israel after
Speaker 1: he died the game of Giant Celebration with an olive
Speaker 1: planting thing which typically isn't done for non Jews, like
Speaker 1: a huge They say, he's done more than Israel than
Speaker 1: anyone can know. Crazy when he was helping him, or
Speaker 1: he at least knew they were still in nuclears from America,
Speaker 1: but like he helped them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it's it's just so interesting that like
Speaker 2: as soon as Kennedy's dead and Johnson takes over, immediately
Speaker 2: Green Berets are redeployed to Vietnam, immediately got their wars back,
Speaker 2: immediately redeployed, and then obviously would see what happens with
Speaker 2: Vietnam for the next but twelve years after that that
Speaker 2: war or explodes based off that which JFK was shutting
Speaker 2: down that war, shutting down, shutting that down, Yeah, shutting
Speaker 2: down that war before well before it was gonna kick
Speaker 2: off for the most part. Then also obviously putting a
Speaker 2: hammer on what the CIA was doing in Cuba, putting
Speaker 2: the hammer down on on Israel. And like you so,
Speaker 2: who was fucking with the military industrial complex, the CIA
Speaker 2: and Israel? Exactly?
Speaker 1: It was all he tied those three three They don't
Speaker 1: want to piss off if you think about it, Well,
Speaker 1: the mafia, they probably use the mafia to do the
Speaker 1: hit the mafia, and they who don't realize the mafia
Speaker 1: they think is Italian, but it's They even made a
Speaker 1: movie trying to blame like, oh, the Italian mafia and
Speaker 1: this and that, but it's like the Jewish mafia. You know,
Speaker 1: mayer Lanski was the head of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's just so interesting that like the one president,
Speaker 2: the one president who stood up to the military industrial complex,
Speaker 2: stood up to the CIA, wouldn't kiss the wall, shot
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Face, they want to make example of them. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that was our last great president.
Speaker 2: And let unless except for like Nixon, right, Nixon was
Speaker 2: then the next president who started to put his foot down,
Speaker 2: started to go after a pack.
Speaker 1: And what they do they got that they did the Watergate.
Speaker 2: Watergate, and we're now finding out that like actually that
Speaker 2: was set up and it was all set up and Nixon,
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, like Nixon is now sort of being vindicated.
Speaker 1: Right Historically he was the most vilified by the media too,
Speaker 1: and they vilify these people. Where there's someone they really
Speaker 1: vilified in history, they take it and they completely vilify
Speaker 1: these people because they control them.
Speaker 2: Because he wanted to because he wanted to shut down
Speaker 2: a pack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all the things where he's like, yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of these you people, they don't have the interests
Speaker 1: of America. Sometimes Israel and America have the same interest
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't. But these people they don't care. They
Speaker 1: always want to put the the interest of America or
Speaker 1: Israel first.
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy if you just start, you start
Speaker 2: looking at it of every time throughout history, going back
Speaker 2: to like World War One, Like you get out of line.
Speaker 1: Even even Carter didn't do a second term.
Speaker 2: You get out of line and you're done, dude, Like
Speaker 2: they're either killed or out or or you stay in line,
Speaker 2: and they'll do. Look at Trump now now they push them.
Speaker 2: The media doesn't a tack him anymore, even Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy that you mentioned that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's when I realized the media CNN and MS
Speaker 1: attacking Trump, and then the worst people got behind him,
Speaker 1: all the worst billionaires. So I think the first I
Speaker 1: think he was always kind of a puppet, but he
Speaker 1: got worse the second time because all the worst billionaires
Speaker 1: got behind him, the media got behind them.
Speaker 2: Look at his I tell people, look at his cabinet,
Speaker 2: his entire cabinet is never Trumper's. It's like, let's go
Speaker 2: through it. JD. Vance, never Trump, the biggest never Trumper
Speaker 2: in the world. You've got Marco Rubio, huge never remember
Speaker 2: Little Marco Marco. Yeah, the Marco Rubio hate. All of
Speaker 2: these people hate Donald Trump. Okay, you can just keep going.
Speaker 2: Tulsie Gabbard Democrat, hated Trump friends with hers. That's a
Speaker 2: bizarre one. Toulsie is great, she's she's getting well now.
Speaker 1: The things that I haven't liked it's now they're just.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's hard when you see someone you personally know.
Speaker 2: She's getting like disrespected big time now by the administration.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing what they're saying now.
Speaker 1: Eves or something. I haven't seen what he sause.
Speaker 2: I've seen what the Trump administration is saying about her.
Speaker 1: What do they say?
Speaker 2: So you know she's with the D and the d
Speaker 2: and I the Director of the National Uh is it
Speaker 2: the Director of National Intelligence? Excuse me? H? So the
Speaker 2: Trump administration when they did the invasion of Venezuela get
Speaker 2: Maduro didn't inform the D and I at all, which
Speaker 2: is insane because the Director of National Intelligence somebody might
Speaker 2: want to be talking to if you're trying to kidnap
Speaker 2: you for impressed. There's a lot of intelligence that goes
Speaker 2: into that. They were. Now Trump was joking and calling
Speaker 2: Tulci Gabbard that she was part of the D and I,
Speaker 2: which is that do not invite the part of his administration.
Speaker 1: I don't know Saves and Faith because like, I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to her in a while, but like I knew
Speaker 1: her pretty well. But do you know?
Speaker 2: But do you know? But do you know why Trump
Speaker 2: is is doing that and disrespecting her that way is
Speaker 2: because before the first Iran Twelve Day War, Tulci Gabbard
Speaker 2: came out and gave before Congress, and she came out
Speaker 2: and said there is no credible evidence that Iran is
Speaker 2: developing nuclear weapons. And you know what Donald Trump said
Speaker 2: after she said that, He said, I don't really care
Speaker 2: what she asked to say. That's what Trump upset about
Speaker 2: his D and I, his director of National.
Speaker 1: Intelligence, and be like fuck this because I always I
Speaker 1: don't know, she had a lot of integrity and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I wanted.
Speaker 2: Her to run as a Trump's VP because I liked
Speaker 2: her so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you hang out with someone and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is a good person. Then you
Speaker 1: see him working for them, He's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: It'd be one thing, like if if it was a
Speaker 2: different situation, and like, hey, I think she's probably doing
Speaker 2: good work, but like she's being actively like just disrespected
Speaker 2: by Trump on purpose, Like he's like literally making fun
Speaker 2: of her.
Speaker 1: I went to work someone disrespect me. Would you tell
Speaker 1: fuck yourself. Maybe I'm too stubborn, but sometimes you're successful
Speaker 1: that way by being someone disrespects me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's and it's happening from President it's also
Speaker 2: happening from like the rest of the administration towards her
Speaker 2: two even it ties back into Charlie Kirk situation. So
Speaker 2: Cash Mattel and the FBI, this is another weird shit
Speaker 2: that happened with that. Uh So Joe Kent and Toolsy
Speaker 2: Gabbard were looking into foreign involvement into the Charlie Kirk assassination,
Speaker 2: which makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems likely.
Speaker 2: Seems likely the FBI shut down Joe Kent and Toulci
Speaker 2: from being able to access any information on the Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk case. Yes, they blocked it completely and like through
Speaker 2: a massive temper tantrum about it. And so yeah, the
Speaker 2: d and I and Joe Kent works for the or
Speaker 2: is the head of the National counter Terrorism Center. They
Speaker 2: shut them down from being able to even look in
Speaker 2: and they shut the CIA down. And we know that
Speaker 2: now for being able to if people have power no cash,
Speaker 2: but tell that's a But my point is that's like
Speaker 2: even Trump's little minions are just like, yeah, fuck off,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. We're not gonna let you do your job. Dude,
Speaker 2: did you see ad.
Speaker 1: The other day, Because you know the FBI, they said
Speaker 1: they stopped working with them, but they had this though,
Speaker 1: where like, we use the FBI, we monitor your bank
Speaker 1: accounts people like me and you, we monitor your social
Speaker 1: media posts. They everything, They're using FBI social credit as work.
Speaker 1: All these attorneys ready to sue. So they admitted the
Speaker 1: FBI spying and our bank accounts. I'm sure me and
Speaker 1: you looking through all our social media posts, following everything
Speaker 1: we do. And ADL has been caught doing masses by
Speaker 1: operations before. In San Francisco. They got raided in the
Speaker 1: nineties for uh, they had files on twelve thousand citizens.
Speaker 1: They were they were doing illegal spying. I think they
Speaker 1: were using police officers and the police department. I don't
Speaker 1: know how some rogue officer probably went against them, but
Speaker 1: they had huge spying operations, so it's something they do. Dude,
Speaker 1: twelve thousand people just in the barrier they had. Well,
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: You are for sure. I know I am because all
Speaker 2: I do is the amount of videos I've done shitting
Speaker 2: on Cash Hotel and Dan Bongino. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: A lot of power the FBI.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Like I since I started like
Speaker 2: really dogging uh the FBI for for good reasons. By
Speaker 2: the way, these are doing terrible at their jobs. I
Speaker 2: definitely has like I've upped my my uh cybersecurity. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like I make sure all to be I don't
Speaker 2: want anybody. I don't want anything like anybody downloading Ship
Speaker 2: on my computer, kicking my.
Speaker 1: Door hay wire where they started And I looked up
Speaker 1: with what happened to the phone, and it's exactly where
Speaker 1: like they start overheating and just dying instantly, And like, dude, I've.
Speaker 2: Had it happen this. This is probably like the viewers
Speaker 2: of my channel were gonna laugh because just this week,
Speaker 2: the last two live streams I had, I had my
Speaker 2: live streams go down three times, and it's probably coincidence.
Speaker 2: All three times it went down was like right when
Speaker 2: I started talking about either Israel or Erica Kirk or
Speaker 2: the FBI. It's like all three times, as soon as dude,
Speaker 2: my whole stream went black and I would like come
Speaker 2: back and the chat would be like laughing. They're like
Speaker 2: they got him.
Speaker 1: Dude, she could wrap in a few but that's think
Speaker 1: she said, Erica Kirk. Oh, I don't like criticizing it first,
Speaker 1: but I know she put it, but she put herself.
Speaker 2: Out so much for beyond that. This is what I say,
Speaker 2: I dude, I said nothing in the beginning.
Speaker 1: I said nothing, But then it got so ridiculous that like, yes.
Speaker 2: I said nothing criticizing Erica Kirk, even like I even
Speaker 2: did a live stream. We donated this was the first
Speaker 2: week it happened, donated all the profits to her go fundme.
Speaker 2: This was like, right, for sure, she has tons of money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean I didn't know, like we didn't. This
Speaker 2: was like four days after Charlie got shot in the face,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I like nobody had
Speaker 2: any idea. We learned all these things after so that
Speaker 2: my point is, like I didn't have any ill intentions
Speaker 2: towards Erica Kirk or TPUSA, And tell, dude, like the
Speaker 2: theatrics of it, it's.
Speaker 1: Just so insane, it's so over the top that I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine if girls won't leave their house after a
Speaker 1: break up for a month and then she's out like
Speaker 1: partying Celebary.
Speaker 2: Did the first podcast forty eight hours, forty eight hours afterwards.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a girl lose a fucking husband and
Speaker 1: be out doing that that quick.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you I agree with you because I
Speaker 2: unfortunately have been to a lot of funerals and around
Speaker 2: a lot of widows in my in our career line,
Speaker 2: and I have never ever I mean, I've got I've
Speaker 2: got friends, wives that are still yeah years, I haven't
Speaker 2: dated anyone.
Speaker 1: Really live years. I love the guy. It takes years,
Speaker 1: five years later, and G'll never get over it.
Speaker 2: And so what, here's here's why, Erica, and this is
Speaker 2: what why I'm done playing the game of like this
Speaker 2: emotional blackmail game where like we can't be critical of
Speaker 2: TPUSA or Eric Kirk. The reason why I'm done with
Speaker 2: that is because they made Erica Kirk's CEO of the
Speaker 2: company and Here's what I'll say is that was strategic
Speaker 2: by them, and they did it on purpose. And the
Speaker 2: reason why they did it is because what they thought
Speaker 2: was if we put the grieving widow in his boss,
Speaker 2: you can't criticize anything the organization because if you attack
Speaker 2: the organization, you're attacking the grieving widow. And I will
Speaker 2: not be emotionally blackmailed. No, that's just not going to happen.
Speaker 2: I will be empathy. I'm a very empathetic and sympathetic guy.
Speaker 2: I think you are as well.
Speaker 1: That's why I say anything. Initially I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she seems a little off me. But I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to criticize that.
Speaker 2: But I think just the way we look at the
Speaker 2: world together, like a lot of things we've talked about,
Speaker 2: like ice, looting, opinion, like we are pretty empathetic and
Speaker 2: sympathetic people of like yeah, and so I am that naturally,
Speaker 2: but it's like, dude, these like wwe entrances and fireworks
Speaker 2: and like you've raised one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2: Also she is I don't know if this is true
Speaker 2: or not, as far as we've heard that, she just
Speaker 2: broke the world record for shortest private jet flight at
Speaker 2: one one minute and fifty eight seconds in LA.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to drive.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, she didn't want to be in traffic.
Speaker 1: And so all that money you raised for her pay Yes,
Speaker 1: So he's so huge. Fuck I raised money for this.
Speaker 2: But you see that and you're just it's like, do
Speaker 2: you have Do you ever watch the show Righteous Gemstones?
Speaker 2: I know you're talking about having with Danny McBride. Should
Speaker 2: I watch it?
Speaker 1: So? I love the one he was in before.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's so good. Righteous gem Stones is a
Speaker 2: story about basically evangelical a family that's evangelical megachurch pastors.
Speaker 2: I don't watch it, and I the way I look
Speaker 2: at TPUSA and Erica Kirk is like Righteous Gemstones. I
Speaker 2: think it's like the perfect.
Speaker 1: They're like the path. I know, the guys you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Joe Olstein or whatever his.
Speaker 1: Name is, they're just so disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, dude, so you're not going to
Speaker 2: you're not gonna come out and like go on this
Speaker 2: massive w WE podcast tour, be like throwing merch to
Speaker 2: people and also rewrite Happy and rewriting Charlie's legacy, because
Speaker 2: what the doing now is now it's all all gooy
Speaker 2: slop pro Israel, Like, oh no, what Charlie really believed?
Speaker 1: Shabbat shalom?
Speaker 2: She said with shabbat and you hear that and you're like, okay.
Speaker 2: So it's not only that you're like, you're disrespecting his legacy,
Speaker 2: but you're also like again using this emotional blackmail on
Speaker 2: American citizens that like, we're not allowed to wonder like
Speaker 2: a back, especially about Charlie kirk assassination, Like we're not
Speaker 2: allowed to have questions about that because you're grieving. But
Speaker 2: also why don't My biggest thing is like, why don't
Speaker 2: you have any fucking questions?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she should be wanting questions, and she's be taking
Speaker 1: care of the fucking kids. Take care of her kids.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. But look at the other thing is like,
Speaker 2: look at all the people who've immediately supported the FBI
Speaker 2: narrative and have had no interest in like all of
Speaker 2: the weird shit we've talked about. It's it's weird all
Speaker 2: that you certainly do, but but who had no questions
Speaker 2: from the very beginning, his wife TPUSA, Donald Trump, jd
Speaker 2: Vance Maga, Fox News, Mark Levine, Ben Shapiro, like all
Speaker 2: of these people are just like, Nope, the official narrative,
Speaker 2: it's true and you have to believe it. Shut your mouth,
Speaker 2: and you're just support Israel. And I'm like, well, that
Speaker 2: seems weird that all of the usual suspects all don't
Speaker 2: want anyone as question, don't ask questions, don't ask ques.
Speaker 1: My best friend was shot, I'd want questions, question the
Speaker 1: fuck I have? I want to check out all angles.
Speaker 2: Yes, what about your wife?
Speaker 1: Fuck, I'd really want to check. I want to be like,
Speaker 1: shut up, let the FBI do it. I'd be looking
Speaker 1: at everything and you know, it's time. It would probably
Speaker 1: be quackery, but I'll still be trying to look at
Speaker 1: every option and going through it exactly.
Speaker 2: That's where I would be too. And so with her,
Speaker 2: uh again, it's just like it's such a like I
Speaker 2: don't want to say political, but it is becoming political
Speaker 2: because now.
Speaker 1: Their whole thing is like you can't criticize her, you.
Speaker 2: Can't criticize her. But also now they're using the platform
Speaker 2: of like, hey, we need to put JD. Vance in office,
Speaker 2: and we got to get ready for the mid terms.
Speaker 2: I saw Erica Kirk talking about just the other day
Speaker 2: on Fox News, Like thing is She's like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: gotta you know, we gotta get ready for the midterms,
Speaker 2: and we got all the strategy and we got all
Speaker 2: this and it's like, your husband.
Speaker 1: Just got shot in the throes and depressed at all.
Speaker 2: Just your husband just got shot the throat four months
Speaker 2: ago on live TV.
Speaker 1: Why are you running around?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are you talking about the midterms?
Speaker 1: No, it's insane, Like take some time off, like someth
Speaker 1: happened to you. Would you wouldn't want your wife to
Speaker 1: Oh I'm a takeover his podcast. It must go on
Speaker 1: take care of the kids for fucking a minute.
Speaker 2: Like I dude, it's so funny. I told all the guys.
Speaker 2: I've said it on stream before. I'm like, look, I
Speaker 2: even told my wife this. I was like, if I
Speaker 2: if I get shwacked in this line of business, if
Speaker 2: Britney is on my podcast and on a podcast tour
Speaker 2: forty eight hours after I get killed, like all my boys,
Speaker 2: we know, you guys have permission to do to dog
Speaker 2: her harder than anybody.
Speaker 1: Dude, So now I know running the podcast all the TV. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Israel that killed him.
Speaker 2: Like if and then all of a sudden, I like
Speaker 2: my wife rewrote my ideology of like no, Nate was
Speaker 2: actually always supporter.
Speaker 1: You went and fought a war for them. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: if you see that, it would just be like, nah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine it happened to me, Like take care
Speaker 1: of the quicks, don't take over my podcasts. And it's
Speaker 1: not like it's not like they need the money, right,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of money exactly, don't need the money. And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like judge people with the way
Speaker 1: they grieve, but at the same time, like people grieve differently.
Speaker 1: That's that's but not like that. But you have never
Speaker 1: seen anyone grieve like that.
Speaker 2: But there's but you have for for that to work,
Speaker 2: we have to be talking about grieving. Yeah, there, and
Speaker 2: there's there's no grieving in it. That's gonna be hard
Speaker 2: going to the funerals if Yeah, it's the hardest part
Speaker 2: of the funerals, man, is the wives, right, And I've never.
Speaker 1: Seen kids and stuff.
Speaker 2: Most of the wives of my friends that have lost
Speaker 2: their lives haven't even been able to like speak or function.
Speaker 1: That's what I've seen it for months. They can barely
Speaker 1: like talk, They can barely. It's like just they can't
Speaker 1: get out of bed. It's just yes, no, they're not
Speaker 1: on a podcast tour, in a book tour. But and
Speaker 1: like laughing maniacally never get anyone lose someone close to
Speaker 1: them back like that after And it's not just probably
Speaker 1: lost a lot of people and even friends.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's not even just like your your wife or
Speaker 2: your signing up. This could be your dog has a
Speaker 2: dog that money I've been more, dude, losing a dog.
Speaker 2: Losing a dog would be like I wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, losing a dog's hearts is funny, but it is.
Speaker 2: But you know my point.
Speaker 1: At my point, I love my dog.
Speaker 2: Losing a dog, I wouldn't even be able to do that,
Speaker 2: just like forty eight hours later, just be like a
Speaker 2: podcast tour. Here we go, let me talk about it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go t work with who is that rappers?
Speaker 1: She had on?
Speaker 2: Uh Mickey Minaj?
Speaker 1: Nick mixed up.
Speaker 2: Now that's another one that's like so crazy to me,
Speaker 2: of rewriting legacies of like have you seen Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 2: You've seen this famous clip of that. He was like, look,
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj is not a good role model for young
Speaker 2: black women. Not And what's the first thing Erica Kirk does,
Speaker 2: pulls her up on stage, you want and it's like.
Speaker 1: This is black women women in general. They don't my
Speaker 1: daughters and ship watching that.
Speaker 2: But but nope, this is the face of young conservative
Speaker 2: women now.
Speaker 1: And you're like, what do you see being a whore
Speaker 1: and twerking And yeah, it's it's not good.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's crazy, dude.
Speaker 1: Well, even like it's different in the military, right, you
Speaker 1: lose it when you have to go a fight, But
Speaker 1: that's got to be a struggle. Like when the military,
Speaker 1: it's rough, man, because we also want to get revenge
Speaker 1: at that point, so we do we do funerals down range. Man,
Speaker 1: Like I've been to funerals in Afghanistan. Dudes get killed
Speaker 1: on a mission and you hit the funeral tomorrow and
Speaker 1: like you got an opt the next night. But you
Speaker 1: almost want revenge. I got something to get it out.
Speaker 1: That's that's very true, and so that that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a crazy mental.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what we were talking about earlier, where
Speaker 2: I was talking about how some veterans are still so
Speaker 2: like hardcore anti.
Speaker 1: Islam Is because they lost a friend they blame it.
Speaker 2: And that's why and that's why I'm not judgmental at all.
Speaker 2: And I understand that completely from our veterans that are
Speaker 2: like still on that side of the fence. Is like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of anger, a lot of resentment also,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, it's like that's that was
Speaker 2: their country, dude, you.
Speaker 1: They should hold more resentment, Like you know, Brent Talker
Speaker 1: had a little of that, but I could see he was.
Speaker 1: He's overminded at least.
Speaker 2: I really like no Brent's but we love Brent Brentce.
Speaker 1: He's willing to listen to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I think Brent's one of those that like Brent.
Speaker 1: Guy.
Speaker 2: He's such a smart guy as well that like and
Speaker 2: he's a good man, and he's a kind man.
Speaker 1: You just tell he's a good person exactly.
Speaker 2: He's an amazing person.
Speaker 1: Well, oh, I like this guy.
Speaker 2: He's not a guy. There's some of there's some of
Speaker 2: the right wing, like Zionists. They're like they think it's funny,
Speaker 2: Well what's happening in Gaza, Like, Brent's not a guy
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: You know those people. I don't anything to do with
Speaker 1: those people.
Speaker 2: They're That's what I'm at I'm done with these people
Speaker 2: I talked about that. It's like Brent, I understand he
Speaker 2: has compassion. Still he's just a little like if you
Speaker 2: are the type of person, because there's camps to this right,
Speaker 2: where with the with Israel stuff, if you're the type
Speaker 2: of person that believes, uh, supporting Israel is actually benefited.
Speaker 2: I don't believe this argument, but there is this argument
Speaker 2: supporting Israel is actually beneficial because they counter the Islamic
Speaker 2: extremism problem in the Middle East. I don't believe this
Speaker 2: because we're the ones who caused that problem. But but
Speaker 2: if that's your opinion and that you're like, yes, it's
Speaker 2: horrible what they're doing, but I think the cost benefit
Speaker 2: cost benefit analysis of this is that it's more important
Speaker 2: that we support them even though this is happening. Like okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's an argument where like you're acknowledging what they're
Speaker 2: doing is horrible, but you think that strategically it's still
Speaker 2: is more important. That's one argument. Then there's the other
Speaker 2: argument of like we know it, like the zion Is
Speaker 2: gas lighting argument of like Israel's not committing genocide and
Speaker 2: Israel's not bombing hospitals, Like they're not cutting off food,
Speaker 2: nobody's starving, nobody's nobody's killing journals. No's like those people
Speaker 2: I think are like the people in society that to
Speaker 2: your point, I'm so done with Yeah, Like I will
Speaker 2: not engage with you. I'm not going to deal with
Speaker 2: you at all because you're not living in any sense. Well,
Speaker 2: the thing is, I know they know better, but.
Speaker 1: They won't listen. Like if you tell someone to look
Speaker 1: something up, they won't do it. Like brand I told
Speaker 1: a couple things up. He looked him up. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he said I was right. So it's like, okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, those people aren't listening, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if someone who listened to a conversation if
Speaker 1: you disagree, like people that are just like so out
Speaker 1: there and they're okay with killing kids, like if you're
Speaker 1: okay with killing kids and try to.
Speaker 2: Argue or they try to say it's not happening, and
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, it is so delusional. Again, I just
Speaker 2: tell everybody, I'm like, go look at the flyover drone footage.
Speaker 2: There's nothing there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some do some estimates say up to like
Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty thousand because there's so many missing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing is we don't know what's
Speaker 2: under the rubble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thinking about when you're probably under there, there
Speaker 1: could be I think the fishill They say one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand or somewhere exact numbers, but could easily be a
Speaker 1: few hundred thousand, and just a soccer raine. They're going
Speaker 1: through like everyone's lost people kids, so many kids with
Speaker 1: arms blown off. I mean, I've been around vets with
Speaker 1: arms and legs blown off. I'm sure you've been more
Speaker 1: than me. And some of these guys came in Trai
Speaker 1: jitsu is a program, but there's always a program, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but even these adults, it's like sad seeing at least
Speaker 1: they're out the guys that I was doing there trying
Speaker 1: to jiu jitsu and shit. So it's awesome they have
Speaker 1: these programs with that brutal losing your fucking legs and
Speaker 1: these are kids and they're laughing at it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got people like Randy Fine and Lindsay Graham
Speaker 2: for like fucking on Twitter, like literally laughing, being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we need to keep starving.
Speaker 1: Jerk off to dead kids. Brother, guys are fucking sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, so like those people to me. And this
Speaker 2: is where I'm like, who's a bigger problem in America?
Speaker 2: Is it dearborn Michigan or is it people like Randy
Speaker 2: Fine and Lindsay Graham.
Speaker 1: Gets people maniputly in our government. Well? Also, there's like
Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhoods known bit about them. There's all Chinese the
Speaker 1: neighborhoods in a have you.
Speaker 2: Seen though the day big story of the acidic Jews
Speaker 2: that are basically committing as much welfare.
Speaker 1: Then too, they have all the Section eight housing, but
Speaker 1: they're all nice, they have money.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is the media picking that story
Speaker 2: up like they did Nick Shirley's story. No, they're not
Speaker 2: driving in They're not fucking telling anybody about that.
Speaker 1: We're not boosting it. He evans, isn't well that small thing.
Speaker 1: It'd actually been out for a while too. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like years old. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know. That wasn't
Speaker 1: a new story. It was what was happening at that time.
Speaker 1: It was the deflection on something.
Speaker 2: Oh, probably the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to much of fucking smalling. Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: I don't have much smalling. I don't don't fraud, but
Speaker 1: it's not the biggest fucking problem.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, And that's a one hundred percent
Speaker 2: That's where I try to give like the context of
Speaker 2: this of people being like, well, are you you want
Speaker 2: all you just want Islam to the country, and I'm like, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want Islam to stay in Islamic countries, but I
Speaker 2: also want us to not go bomb the shit out
Speaker 2: of them to create a massive refugee crisis. It's gonna
Speaker 2: flood Europe. In the United States, because the cultures are fine,
Speaker 2: I think like, hey, Islamic culture in your own culture
Speaker 2: is fine. American culture is fine, Chinese culture is fine,
Speaker 2: like Latin American culture is fine. Do we need to
Speaker 2: shove it all into America. No, I'm not a supporter
Speaker 2: of that at all. But at the same time, when
Speaker 2: I'm looking at what are the biggest problems in this country.
Speaker 2: When I start to look around at the biggest problems
Speaker 2: in this country, one it's that the biggest one is
Speaker 2: going to be the economy, in the labor market in
Speaker 2: the future for young men, because we can look at
Speaker 2: things like the housing markets already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the housing is expensive as fuck. Young people can't
Speaker 1: buy houses. They don't they young jobs.
Speaker 2: Men most importantly, because young men start families right. And
Speaker 2: so what we've seen is now the economy is so bad,
Speaker 2: and get the labor market for young men is so bad.
Speaker 2: And then you add in the fact that housing in
Speaker 2: if you want to raise a family, you're not trying
Speaker 2: to do it in a studio fucking apartment.
Speaker 1: Pically you want to Ideally the man's working and the
Speaker 1: girl can raise the kids, but hardly not anymore in
Speaker 1: a home. But the problem is apartment.
Speaker 2: Now the average age of a first time home buyer
Speaker 2: is forty years old. Holy, the average age of a
Speaker 2: home buyer in general in America is sixty years old.
Speaker 1: So the aboomers are out of touch of like.
Speaker 2: And so you have this entire generation of young men
Speaker 2: who have no access to what younger generations of men
Speaker 2: did in this country, where they could be twenty five,
Speaker 2: get married, work a full time job, a fourd to
Speaker 2: home wife could stay at home raise the kids. Like
Speaker 2: that's sort of the American dream. That's fucking gone. And
Speaker 2: so what does that mean for young men in the
Speaker 2: next generation moving forward? Well, if they're not having kids,
Speaker 2: well we're going to start, and then we're also taking
Speaker 2: this massive refugee crisis from everywhere We're just which is intentional,
Speaker 2: Which is intentional. Right, we're gonna we're gonna lose out
Speaker 2: on that American culture. And so my big thing with
Speaker 2: immigration is like, if you want to come here and
Speaker 2: you want to assimilate to America and American culture, I'm
Speaker 2: all about that. But like these enclaves, Jewish enclaves, small eonclaves,
Speaker 2: Ethiopian enclaves, Latin American enclaves. To me, I don't fucking
Speaker 2: want that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't care what race it is. They have
Speaker 1: them in all over California. You go, no one speaking
Speaker 1: English because all Mexican, Like I don't, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go to that. Yeah, I don't hate Mexican people
Speaker 1: who don't go to area. Don't exactly English in America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Muslims in the Barria for the
Speaker 1: most part were assimilated and not a problem. Now there's
Speaker 1: areas like a lot of Afghans over here, a lot
Speaker 1: of Syrians here, but they were not causing problems in
Speaker 1: the Barrier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just enclaves. And so that's where I'm like
Speaker 2: this is nuanced right to where it's like I cannot
Speaker 2: hate Islam but also not want like third worldism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, taking through the contracts, we just don't understand, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're as sending for them, you want to bring a
Speaker 1: bunch of money, Like, no, I don't. You don't ast
Speaker 1: my fucking say, I just don't think. I just I's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to bring a bunch of foreigners.
Speaker 2: And I also don't want to go spend trillions of
Speaker 2: dollars to bomb them. Yeah, exactly because all of that money.
Speaker 2: Think about all the money in the global war and
Speaker 2: tariff it could have been used instead of brilliant destabilizing
Speaker 2: the entire Middle East and killing what at least a
Speaker 2: million people twenty five million people in the refuge crisis,
Speaker 2: all that money that went into that, had it been
Speaker 2: invested into the school. How come every fucking city in
Speaker 2: the United States doesn't look like Dubai.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people have people that say the at least so bad,
Speaker 1: go to fucking Dubai. But it could talk about I
Speaker 1: bet it's fucking really nice and quitar Have you been there,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, people always oh these people hate you.
Speaker 1: It's it's a third world, Like you haven't been to
Speaker 1: these countries. There's so many different fucking Islamic countries, and
Speaker 1: why bring them here? But they have nice countries, some
Speaker 1: of them. And why girls are safe?
Speaker 2: Why doesn't every with with our wealth our power? Why
Speaker 2: doesn't every goddamn city look like debaia shit?
Speaker 1: And we shouldn't have to do go fund means for
Speaker 1: our friends fucking cancer kids cancer treatment?
Speaker 2: That too, right? Why why isn't like people I get
Speaker 2: called a socialist all the time because that's the one though.
Speaker 1: The medical It's like, come on, dude, someone's fucking kid
Speaker 1: has cancer. That's they have a fucking goof on me.
Speaker 1: It just donated money to that fucking a couple months ago,
Speaker 1: Like I shouldn't have to fucking donate that with all
Speaker 1: my friend's fucking kids fucking cancer.
Speaker 2: But like but if you, but I say, hey, like,
Speaker 2: because I say this all the time, I'm like, look,
Speaker 2: would I prefer let's say, would I rather the thirty
Speaker 2: four billion that went to Israel last year, plus the
Speaker 2: forty billion that went to Argentina plus the extra billions
Speaker 2: that went to Ukraine? I would rather that been used
Speaker 2: on free healthcare for Americans and Americans will be like,
Speaker 2: you're a socialist. Yeah, so just for that for me,
Speaker 2: just saying I would rather every other country has it.
Speaker 2: I would rather the USA going to all these countries
Speaker 2: just got spent on free healthcare and they'll be like
Speaker 2: your socialist commie and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, every other first world country has free medical I
Speaker 1: just didn't understand the country still could have private hospitals
Speaker 1: and have like a basic free one and you've got
Speaker 1: private ones that people pay for.
Speaker 2: There's countries, including Israel, we send billions of dollars to
Speaker 2: that have free education for all their Israel does and.
Speaker 1: Usable schools that you can't even send your kids to
Speaker 1: the public.
Speaker 2: So how comes any Here's my stance on this one.
Speaker 2: I don't want any money Senate to anywhere. But any
Speaker 2: country who has free health care and free education for
Speaker 2: their entire society does not need any money from the
Speaker 2: United States and tell American citizens I couldn't agree have
Speaker 2: the exact same thing. See, that's insane right there.
Speaker 1: The fact everyone should be like, if we don't have
Speaker 1: free healthcare and shit, we shouldn't be giving money to
Speaker 1: countries to do that should be common fucking sense.
Speaker 2: But it's not.
Speaker 1: It's it's your communist yeah, like well, yeah, childcare is
Speaker 1: so expensive, so like there's everything's too expensive bas that
Speaker 1: people aren't having kids and then you can't one parent
Speaker 1: typically doesn't make enough money to provide not anymore. You
Speaker 1: have to have Like you look at the average soury,
Speaker 1: it's crazy how low it is and with the price
Speaker 1: is going up.
Speaker 2: It's dude, And I think I looked at average. I'd
Speaker 2: put up a video that was showing average prices in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine and it was like, no, it's just
Speaker 2: like everything like like big Max, uh you know, Petsy
Speaker 2: Home and dude, it's like in twenty five years, we
Speaker 2: have like four hundred x in price, so.
Speaker 1: Like how much to waite? Everything is like not even
Speaker 1: closed eye, I need I need to look this up.
Speaker 2: Twelve percent do something like four or five hundred. Wages
Speaker 2: are up like twelve percent jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so that's like if we take that same that
Speaker 2: same if we're on that same path mathematically, if twenty
Speaker 2: five years from now everything is five times as expensive
Speaker 2: as it is now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about that. We're fucked and less the people
Speaker 1: that don't.
Speaker 2: Average home is gonna cost two million dollars. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: your average rent is going to be like seven thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a month.
Speaker 1: The only thing is people that have a lot of
Speaker 1: money and assets end up kind of okay from it,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: And that's why and that's why the boomer generation isn't worried. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is because they and I'm not trying to not
Speaker 2: people that have generations that.
Speaker 1: Have nothing or I'm okay where I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I still think that really bad, could be fucked, but
Speaker 1: I have some assets and houses and ship. But the
Speaker 1: people that don't, they don't give a fuck about these people.
Speaker 1: They're just like, oh, it's their fault, but they look
Speaker 1: at these fucking houses. Even in Vegas houses are expensive.
Speaker 2: Now, well, all the in all the wealth is like
Speaker 2: pooled at the top, which it's gonna be in a
Speaker 2: society right.
Speaker 1: Because of may, but it's getting too extreme. COVID makes
Speaker 1: that more extreme. Yeah, we want like a vibrant middle class.
Speaker 1: You don't want it where people are some people do.
Speaker 1: Some people want it where they're rich and everyone's below them.
Speaker 1: But that's not a good functioning society.
Speaker 2: No, No, And and that's another thing we're all get
Speaker 2: called a socialist where I'm like, hey, maybe maybe it's
Speaker 2: not a good thing that Elon Musk has eight hundred
Speaker 2: billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, I think clearly there should be if you should
Speaker 1: be able to make a lot more money than other people,
Speaker 1: but there also should be easier to be middle class.
Speaker 2: If we had like the best middle class in the world,
Speaker 2: and like we had the best economy in the world,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't care if Elon Musk had eight hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 2: If we had universal health care and our schools were good,
Speaker 2: and our infantstructure was great, and our highways were nice.
Speaker 1: They're falling apart right, and there wasn't airports are disgusting.
Speaker 2: Airport was and there wasn't almost crisis everywhere I looked,
Speaker 2: and there wasn't fentanyl zombies on the street, I would
Speaker 2: be like, hey, good for you, man. But like when
Speaker 2: we have all of those problems and the wealth just
Speaker 2: the wealth disparity, look at it from before COVID.
Speaker 1: Probably deliberate no to COVID, and after co I doubt
Speaker 1: a lot of the middle class. That's when prices skyrocketed.
Speaker 1: But like I said, it didn't really hurt the rids
Speaker 1: that much because it'd stopped. It is the opposite of
Speaker 1: helping fucking dock market Ridge. Guys, the house has went up.
Speaker 2: I think what did what did Elon musk net worth
Speaker 2: like forty x since COVID? I mean, who else is
Speaker 2: like the the you know.
Speaker 1: They really made a lot of money. What's the guy
Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk had to meet with right before, a
Speaker 1: Jewish guy? Oh, Bill Ackman, Bill Ackman. He he bet
Speaker 1: like two million, turned it into two billion in a month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: phrase like that don't happen COVID. Yeah. And he's the
Speaker 1: one that pushed Trump to lock down the fucking country
Speaker 1: and then he put this bed in and then he's
Speaker 1: telling investors, sell, sell, sell, he's buying just fucking scum,
Speaker 1: just wiping us the middle class while he made two
Speaker 1: billion dollars during COVID. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so what I tell people is, because everybody's like,
Speaker 2: what are you not a capitalist? I'ming like, but we're not.
Speaker 2: We're not a capitalist economy right now. There's no more
Speaker 2: capitalism left in America. We are a corporate oligarchy or
Speaker 2: a corporate socialist oligarchy. Essentially, what that means is you
Speaker 2: have all of the money funneled at the in the
Speaker 2: oligarchy class, the corporate class, and they don't actually pay
Speaker 2: any taxes. That's like the biggest tax the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 1: Has just went around. They don't pay any taxes over there.
Speaker 1: They pay like crazy accounts.
Speaker 2: Four four percent in taxes.
Speaker 1: I've seen so many crazy ways they get around it. People.
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, you guys don't pay any taxes.
Speaker 2: And so my point with that is, like it's capitalism
Speaker 2: for me and you and the viewers, the lower and
Speaker 2: middle class we under operate under like strict capitalism, like
Speaker 2: ruthless capitalism, which means you don't get any of the
Speaker 2: socialism program benefits. You don't get the free healthcare, you
Speaker 2: don't get free education, you get ruthless capitalism. That's still
Speaker 2: not capitalism because you're still taxed at twenty to forty
Speaker 2: percent of your fucking earnings. But the corporate class has
Speaker 2: the exact opposite system, which they have social They have
Speaker 2: socialism corporate socialism.
Speaker 1: Which are always throwing money.
Speaker 2: They're always getting money from the government, they're always getting grants,
Speaker 2: they'll get their bailouts. They don't have to pay taxes.
Speaker 1: I think the best example is two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: right the real estate market crash. Everyone lost their homes, devastated,
Speaker 1: so many friends that were broke. What happened to the banks,
Speaker 1: They got bailed out, got bonuses.
Speaker 2: So they airline industry.
Speaker 1: That's happened too. They knew what they were doing, and
Speaker 1: if they knew it was going to crash, they were
Speaker 1: giving anyone loans, making up bullshit with all these balloon payments,
Speaker 1: and then when it crashed, Oh, it's right, they're gonna
Speaker 1: bail me out.
Speaker 2: Yep, And we're gonna I think we're gonna see the
Speaker 2: same thing with the AI bubble. Yeah, you're gonna see
Speaker 2: all these companies like open Ai, Google, Oracle that are
Speaker 2: like building in video, that are building out this massive
Speaker 2: AI bubble, which is actually what's artificially propping up the
Speaker 2: stock market right now is just all of these tech
Speaker 2: companies are just well, they're just selling back and forth
Speaker 2: to each other, which is artificially jacking the GDP up
Speaker 2: through the roof. Because in Vidia that you have in
Speaker 2: this AI tech bubble. You got in Vidia who's making
Speaker 2: the super chips and they're selling them to Google and
Speaker 2: open Ai, and then you've got Oracle who's making the
Speaker 2: server databases. You've got like Microsoft open Ai making the software,
Speaker 2: and everybody's just it's like this this circular they're just
Speaker 2: selling shit back and forth with each other, and it's
Speaker 2: driving up the GDP.
Speaker 1: But I have some of the dox I think maybe
Speaker 1: that'd fucking sell them because it's getting sketchy.
Speaker 2: But my point with that is like none of that
Speaker 2: is actually it makes it on paper look like, oh,
Speaker 2: the GDP is so good, but the American economy doesn't
Speaker 2: see any of that.
Speaker 1: Well, other companies aren't making that much money either, are
Speaker 1: they So like open a Eyes making no money, they're
Speaker 1: not probably huge evaluations exactly, like where's the money?
Speaker 2: They haven't figured it out yet, and so what happens.
Speaker 1: Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
Speaker 2: It could be a huge care what happens. If they don't, well,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna have the government come in and bail
Speaker 2: out probably trillions of dollars to in video.
Speaker 1: Your investors want the crash, yeah, exactly. So a small investor,
Speaker 1: if you go like twenty thousand of the stock crash,
Speaker 1: you're gonna fucking lose it and the company will get
Speaker 1: built out though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I think that's that's probably the
Speaker 2: next big crash that's coming.
Speaker 1: I kind of think you're right, like the dot the
Speaker 1: dot com boom.
Speaker 2: And but and because none of the math on the
Speaker 2: economy makes any sense right now with how bad the
Speaker 2: labor market is unemployment like, there's zero job growth.
Speaker 1: Had a lot of people hit me up for job recently,
Speaker 1: including friends not just ran them like dms like oh
Speaker 1: Fi people are like and a couple of confident people
Speaker 1: looking for work, like work underneath what they should be doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I when I finished my master's degree last year,
Speaker 2: and when I was getting done, I was talking to
Speaker 2: a bunch of my U the kids that I call
Speaker 2: them kids that are twenty five, twenty six thirty year olds.
Speaker 1: They're not kids, but yeah, talking to them people there
Speaker 1: kids and it shouldn't be when you get out.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, but talking to them like, hey, you what
Speaker 2: are you guys gonna do afterwards? You got any joblines up?
Speaker 2: Job lined up? I obviously was doing this right and
Speaker 2: retired out of the military, so it was a little
Speaker 2: bit different for me. But every single one of them
Speaker 2: I talked to told me they have like I've put
Speaker 2: in probably one hundred resumes and I haven't been contacted
Speaker 2: back by anyone. And those are master degree students that
Speaker 2: are just like and NBA, so like Master and Business Association,
Speaker 2: which is like the most broad like typically the easiest.
Speaker 2: You should be able to get a job right here,
Speaker 2: it's a management job, right like you would think that
Speaker 2: would be one of the easiest, and like all of
Speaker 2: them are like there's no one hire.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like what I'm hearing and what they're
Speaker 1: saying with the job don't seem to be match. I
Speaker 1: know they're like I think they're fudging it or something
Speaker 1: for the mid terms.
Speaker 2: Probably Well, we know the labor market is is in
Speaker 2: in the shitter, but the economy again through g.
Speaker 1: Stock market and stuffs looking good.
Speaker 2: Right we have a four percent GDP growth, and it's like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I feel like this stock has to be And I'm
Speaker 1: taking the same thing all these talks or value looking
Speaker 1: at me like.
Speaker 2: I've got the vast majority of of my money in
Speaker 2: cash right now. Yeah, I'm not trying to get any
Speaker 2: financial but no financial advice.
Speaker 1: I alway talk about they going to pull some of them.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that, Yeah, I'm like we're at
Speaker 2: record high where none of it makes sense. We're at
Speaker 2: record highs with a terrible economy and a terrible labor
Speaker 2: market like that, the numbers in both.
Speaker 1: My money is in the stock mark right now, I
Speaker 1: think it's a good time to get the fucking it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I pulled a lot out earlier in the year.
Speaker 2: I still have some in, but like I'm looking to
Speaker 2: switch is probably silver gold and just like golds at
Speaker 2: record highs and silver too, and I mean I probably
Speaker 2: continue tangible and.
Speaker 1: Friends are telling me to get gold and they got it,
Speaker 1: which is also not a fucking all not.
Speaker 2: A great sign for stock market and economy when like
Speaker 2: when precious metals.
Speaker 1: Starts, Yeah, that's a bad sign for that means people
Speaker 1: think it's kind of good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are hedging that the stock market is potentially
Speaker 2: going to collapse.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so if you see silver and gold
Speaker 1: go all, they both think going up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, silver heads for sure.
Speaker 1: Anything else we shap free wrapping for a while. We
Speaker 1: covered it, right, We're good.
Speaker 2: It's been a fun one.
Speaker 1: That was great. Off to come in your show sometime
Speaker 1: and do them all stream or something that I'm glad
Speaker 1: to glad to meet you. We need to do uh
Speaker 1: some live stream together. Yeah, I want to start doing
Speaker 1: more live streaming. I haven't really done. I've done a couple,
Speaker 1: but I want to start doing live streaming. You do
Speaker 1: a lot, right, twice a week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Week? Yeah, I chop on there one. Yeah, wow, don't
Speaker 1: you go like you hours? I saw?
Speaker 2: We'll do like three. Sometimes we do long ones. Usually
Speaker 2: the average about like three hours, four hours. I wrong,
Speaker 2: you did five hours last Okay.
Speaker 1: I think that was just the one I saw, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship you go forever.
Speaker 2: So that's what everybody says. Everybody's like, dude, you do
Speaker 2: these crazy long live streams, Like I don't even actually
Speaker 2: even mean to just you're having fun. Yeah, And I'll
Speaker 2: plan out a show that the show will usually last
Speaker 2: like two three hours, and then you'll get into the
Speaker 2: super chat start interacting with the community.
Speaker 1: That's the good thing about living and it's super chats
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you start doing well, it's also it's
Speaker 2: also fun too because then you get a once you
Speaker 2: do them for long enough, like you'll you'll get a
Speaker 2: baseline community and like then you start to like learn
Speaker 2: your own community and it's like it's cool because you
Speaker 2: know everybody that's in the chat, and then it's like
Speaker 2: you're hanging out, they.
Speaker 1: Start becoming feeling like kind of friends. Yeah, uh, what
Speaker 1: days you live stream?
Speaker 2: Tuesdays, Tuesdays and Friday. So Tuesday we do.
Speaker 1: Kind of do it the same day, same time. Probably
Speaker 1: not going tomorrow, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not this week, but Tuesdays Tuesdays we do a
Speaker 2: political live stream. We just basically it's the politically homeless
Speaker 2: live stream that we do, so we just basically look
Speaker 2: at all the stupid shit going on in the political world,
Speaker 2: left right and center of that. Yeah, and that makes
Speaker 2: it easy for that. And then Friday we usually do
Speaker 2: just like a dedicated show on some whatever topic we
Speaker 2: got going on. So yeah, we'll definitely have you on and.
Speaker 1: See where shit goes. I think I'll start doing once
Speaker 1: a week at least and then do some other pre records.
Speaker 1: But you definitely should pick like one night, you know,
Speaker 1: go Yeah, like a smart thing to do. Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: Stream that's great because, like you said, the interaction with
Speaker 1: the uh, you interact with people more that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even with like Steak Co did like one of those
Speaker 1: streaming things, but like all the people, it's even more
Speaker 1: than like YouTube where they can bring up all the
Speaker 1: links for them and questions. I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: how you're talking in front of a computer by yourself.
Speaker 1: It's because people you're interacting with the chat and they're
Speaker 1: pulling up links. They're like it with wayser, I thought
Speaker 1: like this gonna be weird to sitting there and talking
Speaker 1: in front of a camera, Like, oh, this is easy.
Speaker 2: So that's so with a I use stream yard streaming service,
Speaker 2: but like yeah, I'll like build the show out so
Speaker 2: then I like have all the articles, tabs, videos, everything
Speaker 2: that I need to like talk through it so that
Speaker 2: way you can pull if you watch my live streams, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you watch my live streams, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: doing like oh who's who's a Nick Fines? If you
Speaker 2: watch him, like he just sits down in front of
Speaker 2: a camera and talks uh for two hours, which like
Speaker 2: and that's a talent. That's a hell yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It takes, but that's if he's definitely a talent.
Speaker 2: To just be able to sit there and just talk.
Speaker 1: He's extremely talented.
Speaker 2: I use I try to use production value to where
Speaker 2: like we're using videos clips, but it makes it easier
Speaker 2: to like talk about things rather than just sit down.
Speaker 2: So that's the way I like to do it because
Speaker 2: it makes it a little bit more interactive.
Speaker 1: And you can get get questions from the audience that
Speaker 1: kind of shit. That makes it easier. Yea, oh shit,
Speaker 1: we should have pluged your channel earlier. But we we
Speaker 1: we we we mentioned it. I started doing that beginning.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about it, man. Yeah, but all we talked
Speaker 1: about though, how I did hev we mentioned it at least.
Speaker 1: But yeah, everyone go follow them. I imagine that if
Speaker 1: you're still anyone still listening has probably already fucking follows
Speaker 1: you or will follow you.
Speaker 2: Probably, I would bet the huge amount of both of
Speaker 2: our audiences probably know who we know.
Speaker 1: That's what I saw in the thing, like you were
Speaker 1: in the top ten from your audience line. Yeah that
Speaker 1: makes ship. That's when I hit you up. And the
Speaker 1: people mentioned you and I saw you were in the
Speaker 1: top ten. So I'm like, oh ship, yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so oh man, thanks so yeah man, good to me.
Speaker 1: Definitely do it again. Yeah, teach them how to shoot,
Speaker 1: and teach you how to choke them, mother fucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely need to get some cross training in.
Speaker 1: As many of you now I have many controversial guests,
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