Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am Dampa Valley coming
at you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Rand Hughes.
We're going to talk about future NBA All Stars for
every team. The concept here is we came up with
over unders for how many future All Stars so they
could have made an All Star Game already through twenty
twenty five? How many future All Stars are already on
this roster, And we're just gonna go over or under
on it and see which teams. You know, most of
them are gonna be at point five just because having
what all stars? Really who's not already been an All Star?
Really fucking hard? Surprise surprise. Uh. I think it's gonna
be enjoyable. I'm excited to do this one. But Grant,
how are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm ready to stun you with some Jonathan Kaminga propaganda.
Speaker 1: So I hope you're prepared for Warriors over under a
negative point five.
Speaker 2: I just this Quentin post erasure will not stand.
Speaker 1: And don't forget about Gie Santos either.
Speaker 2: So there ere point five? Was that the number you
gave for them?
Speaker 1: That's probably Joe la Cub's number. We got Santos and
posts and Kaminga and pods and moody easy. What did
you think about this exercise as you were going through it.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's uh, it kind of
forces you to, you know, get past the like surface
level of like, yeah, I like that young player or
I'm not sure to like we have to like kind
of say flat out, like is this guy gonna be
an All Star or not? In a lot of cases,
and it does force you to kind of think, I
don't know, more objectively and more like rationally about players
that you just kind of like, you know, like we'll
get to several of them, because that's kind of what
this whole exercise is going to be populated by is
young basically young players that we enjoy, but we're gonna
have to kind of like put our money where our
mouth is. So I'm excited to to like hammer out
some some like hard lines on a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: This would be one might be one that we need
to revisit like a year or two down the line.
Speaker 2: Just to see how just unerringly correct we were throughout it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I was. That's like with our
regrades when we're really not regrading anything is our first
grades were spot on, and when we regrade it can
be the same thing. The only note I have for
anyone watching on YouTube, we went with a minimum of
four names per team graphic. There are so many stretches here,
but just having at least four for each team, like
the aesthetics of it just looked fine. So when you see,
you know, Frank Neila Keina on everyone's graphic, who we
couldn't get the four on, we just assume they're going
to sign him at some point and that he will
make an All Star game.
Speaker 2: That that's very intentional.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get started, though, we will go dangerous
because we're in charge of a grant alphabetically the Atlanta Hawks,
mister Hughes, we have the over under and we can alternate.
Hear set it them for zero point five future NBA
All Stars. Who are the names before you go over
under that receive consideration here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so really, just to start at the start, Jalen
Johnson was pretty clearly the number one for me, which
might be dispiriting for Hawks fans because they have a
number one overall pick who's also in consideration here and
He's kind of a distant one for me, but that's
just how Resa Che was builled right as like the
ceiling is what it is, and he's going to be helpful.
Nobody thinks he's going to be a star. So you've
also got Dyson Daniels and Yeka kong Wu for me,
that's kind of where the list ends. I don't know
if there are any more like down you know, who knows.
If Kobe Buffkin had stayed healthy, maybe we'd have more
to say about him. But this this is Johnson for me,
I think, and and like just to put a number
on it, I'm not going to have these for every team,
but like so eighteen ten and five for Johnson this year.
His season's over played like thirty something games, also shot
fifty percent from the field. There's only two other guys
that have done that at age twenty three or younger,
and it's Demona Sabonis who's got three All Star games
and Yokich who has like eleveny million and will be
an All Star forever. Very different player than either of
those two guys, but just like the raw numbers like
augur pretty well for Johnson to make an All Star Game.
At some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just bringing you to have a conversation about
his availability. Sure at some point, and I'm not ready
to rule out re quite as much as you, but
they I don't know what to make of him. I
think he's gonna be super solid on defense. I don't
know if he's ever gonna be the go check, the
primary guy and be really good at it. But you
have Dyson Daniels on this team as of now. I
could would you prefer to if you had to pick
between Dyson Daniels and Resiche, who would be the more
likely future All Star for you?
Speaker 2: I think it's it's resa Che, probably just because Daniels
offense is gonna be just limited by his shooting and
like his general approach to trying to score, which is better,
but still just like he's not gonna have the numbers.
I don't think ever, his overall impact, you could argue
might be better than Resche is down the line, just
because he's maybe the best perimeter defender in the league.
That's different than being an All Star though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so over under point five here, I'll go over.
Speaker 2: I think between Johnson and like outside shots for resa Che,
I think even a Kong wu like, who knows if
it just becomes a full time starter for the next
several years then and he's gonna be a three point shooter.
That's that's pretty intriguing.
Speaker 1: I'll go over as well. I'm more tempted to go
under than I feel like I should be for a
team that has j Allen Johnson and last year's number
one overall pick. Though, yeah, next team.
Speaker 2: Up, we got the Boston Celtics. This is also a
zero point five over under. I mean, what what do
you like? This is a look, this team already has
its established All Stars. Derek White is kind of the
only guy that you would imagine, you know, getting in,
although if it were gonna happen, you'd think it would
have happened last year. This year when it's like, we
gotta get four Celtics in the All Star Game, and
it hasn't happened yet. So this one, this one, I'm
leaning under pretty hard on this one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under as well. But the argument to
go over would be if you think this team is
gonna maybe break up at some point, maybe even this summer,
when you're looking at like just how they as they
nowavigate the second apron, He's not going to be one
of the guys that I would think they're getting rid of,
and so his role could then increase, and then he
might could he tend to have a stronger case than
he did these past two years because oh, like even
now the counting stats look fine, but like if he's
all of a sudden averaging like twenty plus points a
game or something like that, would it make it easier
for media members and coaches to throw him in there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible. Is Derek White thirty though, I'm pretty
sure he's already I should have had that up.
Speaker 1: But are we age shaming here?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just we're we're career trajectory shaming, which is like,
how many guys make it to thirty without making an
All Star Game? And then just I mean not everyone's
Norm Powell Dan that just suddenly become awesome at some
point in their thirties.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, he will be thirty one, by the way,
but he is He's the old like Peyton Pritchard, bell
or Shireman Sam how he's just the only outside shot
that they have.
Speaker 2: I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Our next team is the Brooklyn Nets. They are also
set Grant at point five that although, well, let's go
through the primary names here. There's Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas,
Nick Claxton been spearheading kind of a nice little defensive
revival for Brooklyn too. Dark Whitehead was just viewed as
this like super high upside place you could throw him in.
There is there Noah Clowney, Are you inclined? Let's see
what would you're over under be he? Are you going?
I'm assuming you're going under here?
Speaker 2: I think you gotta. I think you can make some
fringe cases for a couple of these guys, like what
if Cam Thomas stays fully healthy and average, is thirty
a game on a decent NETS team? Like maybe, but
but I you aren't You almost tempted to just pick
Clowney because it's like, oh, there have been some flashes
and he's young and who know, like he could just
explode in his mid twenties, Like that's that's not off
the table. But then you're just you're just going with like, well,
the correct choice is the one we have the least
information about, which is iffy.
Speaker 1: And if they still did the center position designation for
the All Star team, you might feel better about saying
over here, because you could just envision, oh was classed
in like the best big and it's like probably not.
But Joelle Bead's always injured, christophs Porzingis is getting older,
col Anthony Towns, I guess he would always be the
default pick. But Mobile's coming up, so that's not maybe
the best example. But if there was just this designated
center position, because he's never gonna beat out, it'd be
different if he beat out a bunch of center, he's
not gonna beat a bunch of wings, and like forwards
as well. So now if I included their twenty twenty
five draft pick.
Speaker 2: That would that would be the best odds that whoever
that is.
Speaker 1: It would still be under for them because they're winning
to goddamn much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ninth pick, that's not gonna you're right right there.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a pretty clear under even
if you were to you know, futch the criteria and say, right,
what about their draft pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we've got Charlotte coming up, and so
the main guys to think about here. LaMelo has already
made one. Obviously, that's the thing you refer to all
the time. Although it's like three years ago now, Brandon Miller,
Mark Williams question mark because I don't know, like, is
he going to be on this team? We'll see Miles
Bridges to John Salon, that's that's a that's a reach.
But the draft pedigree is there. So I got a
Brandon Miller stat that might change your opinion a little bit.
But are you leaning over or under?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: It's point five.
Speaker 1: I'm going over because I am a believer in Brandon Miller.
Speaker 2: I think you may be correct to do that. So
thirteen so of the last just five seasons, like not
including this one obviously because we don't know who will
be on it, the last five sets of first team
All Rookie honorees. I guess you'd say so if you
made the first team All Rookie in any of the
last five seasons, that's twenty five players. Thirteen of those
guys have already made an All Star Game, which like,
which is impressive because you're talking about guys with no
more than five years of experience. So the earlier you
go in that draft class list, it's like, well, of course,
guys in their second year, third year are not going
to be expected to make All Stars. That half of
them more than half have already done. It budes really
well for Miller, who was a first team All Rookie
guy last year averaging twenty plus. Like, is that wing
type that everybody likes. I mean, if they trade LaMelo
and it just becomes his team, then the numbers will
be there too. So I like the over as well.
And it's almost one hundred percent about Randon Miller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, will Mark Leiams ever be healthy enough?
And like, I'm open to the idea that Salon could
just be better as his career moves over, but he's
just as of right now. When I watch him, he
seems super high energy. I mean, just don't know what
else he's going to provide there. So I don't know
that they have another option aside for Miller, unless you
wanted to throw in their twenty twenty five draft pick,
which is looking better than Brooklyn's right now. Quite sure.
Our next team up is your Chicago Bulls, but I
will go through them. So for the Bulls, that's another
team point five future All Stars. They have Kobe White,
they have Modus Buzzellis, they have Io de soun Mu,
they have Josh Giddy, they have Patrick Williams. He needs
to know like that they have their own pick too.
If you want to throw their draft pick in there,
are you going over or under? Here?
Speaker 2: This is a hard one. Bizillis is a lot of
fun and has had a lot of highlights. Had that
ten for ten game superth I could see him. So
let's say he's like, oh, he's like got a twenty
five percent chance or something, or maybe it's higher than that.
It's too early to say. Kobe White is like the
swing guy here. He'll be twenty five basically by the
time this podcast airs, because he's a couple days away
from his birthday, Like does he have another little bump
in level? And like can he be assuming he's on
the Bulls at some point? That's the other thing is like,
you know, we've talked ad nauseum about like they probably
can't extend him because he's gonna hit under strict free
agency because his current number is too low. If you
could tell, if you guaranteed me that Kobe White was
gonna be with the Bulls, I'd be pretty tempted to
go over. But I think I'm gonna lean under. And
that's with all due respect to Bizellis, who just I
can't make a decision yet on him as a player
based on half of the season.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over because the Kobe White swing I
think helps me go over. But this is really to
me about modest Buzellis, who is just like that dude
can play and I know everyone's probably seen the highlight dunks,
but like the stuff he can do on his drives,
there's like physicality, there's finesse. He shot the three ball
fairly well this year too. He's done. I think he's
made some excellent defensive plays on a bunch of possessions,
especially as like kind of a help side guy. I
don't know what that translates into necessarily, but this is
basically what He's six ' ten and he kind of
plays like a wing on offense but can defend like
a big on defense a lot of the time. So
I think there's real upside there. I almost I'm inclined
to go under because it's Chicago, but I really like Bizillis,
wait now, way more than I did him coming into
the draft. Which if he was able to kind of
shake that and be on the bulls, then who's to say,
what's gonna happen over the next like five or six years.
Speaker 2: And why wouldn't you trust in the player development system
that's gotten so much out of Patrick Williams. You know, like,
I think you're just really just betting on the right
horse on that one.
Speaker 1: Your team feels like it's gonna be a little bit
easier to decide here.
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, so we're onto the Cleveland Cavaliers. One might
consider never before made an All Star game, DeAndre Hunter,
Isaaca korro ty Jerome Jalen Tyson, Like that's the thing
that Jared Allen sneakily already been an All Star, Like
that would have helped obviously, Mobiley Mitchell Garland of check
that box. So we're talking about a rookie, and honestly, like,
so this is the point five, I'm going under, and
I assume you are too, But who is Hunter actually
like the guy you'd give the best shot to of these,
at least the four that were actually thinking about.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm gonna go under as well, obviously,
but I think Jalen Tyson probably has the most likely
chance just because that archetype of oh look what he
can do with the ball in his hands, and if
he's going to continue to improve on defense and trust
him to work without the ball as like two, that'll
go a long way. And it's just okay, the youngest,
like the highest upside guy by default because we, I
guess have the least information on him. You look at
some of ty Jerome's per minute stats, though those might
be backing presus three consider but he's twenty seven already.
I can't Hunter's tough because I don't think he's ever
gonna have the offensive agency in Cleveland that he did
in Atlanta, even as he sort of reworked his his
shot died in usage. And Jaleen Tyson specifically, that's someone
who Kara Slimer has already gone and Tie Rome is
gonna be a free agent like that. Could this could
be someone who needs to play a role for them
next season. I wouldn't prediction to make the All Star Game,
but is he just he could be next in line
as like a perimeter player there and I just think
he would get more on ball reps than than Hunter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing for the thing for Tyson is to
really have a shot, he needs to outlast like at
least one or two of the current like four All
Stars that the Cavs have, because his role will never
be close to big enough if maybe just say, like Mitchell,
just one of Mitchell o'garland's got to be gone because
like Mobiley and one of those guards is gonna make
every All Star game for however, you know, the next
five years or whatever, maybe three or four. So Tyson
just has to like hold on. So he needs to
be good enough to justify that. Like he's got to
get his second contract in Cleveland for sure, and then
like maybe even a third to get there. But yeah,
I just go with Hunter. I'm going under I think
I said that, but I would just go with Hunter
because right now, the level he's playing at is like
a pretty high level, and I'm not confident anybody else
on the list could get there. That's not the same
as saying Hunter will be an All Star. It's just like,
I don't know he's close.
Speaker 1: You earn your first aggregators. Grant Hughes Predictsandren twenty twenty
six snubbed the All Star Honestly, this season probably would
have been Hunter's best chance and he wasn't even considered
so far.
Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, can he do this again? That's the
that's the million dollar question for him.
Speaker 1: Next team up is the Dallas Mavericks. This is another
point five over under. I he really only considered Derek Lively.
I mean, I've been impressed with Max Christie since he's
come over. But is there anyone else before we even
get into our picks that you can bring yourself to
meaningfully consider.
Speaker 2: I mean, Omax has finally gotten some minutes since they
have of Dallas's roster is injured, and and I just
don't know what. I don't think the offensive game is
going to be there at all for him. Washington's a
role player, like, you know, supporting starter, Like I guess
the question it is about Lively, Like is there is
he the type of big like, so, what's the path
for him to being an All Star? He's got to
be like an All defense, you know Ruby.
Speaker 1: Robert basically, isn't it got to be that good? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it helps that you just well that's
the other thing is like will he always shoot seventy
percent from the field now that Luca's gone? Because he
did that his first two years, and like maybe the
offense really suffers. Yeah, I think that's right. Is that
he has to be like someone we talk about as
defensive Player of the Year and be, you know, a
double digit scorer on offense. But but like, yeah, the
Gobert model, that's a high bar to clear. So I
really love Lively. I think he's a winning player. I
think he'll be on a lot of good teams. I
would start him over I don't know all but maybe
ten centers in the league, maybe not even that many.
I just don't know if I gotta go under. I
don't think he's like he's gonna be an All Star.
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like his archetype is that, And now
that they've gotten rid of the center position specifically, too,
is just at an inherent disadvantage because there's let's let's
view Anthony Davis as a five. It's just like, even
he has all these sorts of on ball offensive skills,
Derek Lively doesn't have a ton of that, Like he
could do stuff as a passer. And it's just I
keep going back to Rudy Gobert was a three time
All Star, but for someone who's considered generational defender, it'll
only be kind of a three time All It's just
are these types of player like who is the like,
who's a Jared Allen's made an All Star Game, but
it's like who has consistently been that archetype of player
and then made All Star games?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be a center that doesn't I mean I
was gonna say that doesn't stretch and score like he's
got to be because I don't know what the odds
are that he is like a defensive player that y're
candidate decent, but like, how does he get to like
eighteen points a game? Like I know that's not like
we're better than that to say, like, well, that's the
mark of a good player or not good players points
per game, but like just the profile is hard to
see for a guy like him, as I really do
think without Luca too, just as like the best spoon
feeder of a rim rolling center like that, that's going
to change his outlook.
Speaker 1: I think, well he could be like there's the DeAndre
Jordan route. He averaged twelve point seven points per game
when he made an All Star Game in twenty sixteen seventeen.
I think that was so like and he like that's
almost why I want to go over because couldn't you
just lightning at a bottle that year. Maybe there's other
people injured he's he will be part. I assume he was.
He made I think your early season All Defense team,
Like yeah, I really like I.
Speaker 2: Think as we're talking about it, just I don't know
the numbers so low, like there might be someone I
don't know, like Jayden Hardy like this, you know, figures
it out in a couple of years or plays a
lot or whatever. But it's just it's hard to get.
I mean, Daniel Gafford aligns more closely out for several
weeks now with the injury, but knee injury, Like he
feels more like DeAndre Jordan type to me than Lively does.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was just using that as he doesn't necessarily
need to score. But your point about Luca being gone,
and so at this point, as Derek Lively is, so,
here are two things that actually I guess three things.
Luca's gone, and then you brought an Anthony Davis to
play beside him, which is kind of different than any
other four that he's playing. And yeah, okay, some of
these fours around him haven't been the best spacers. But
like Anthony Davis, I think he's fantastic and he's been
catching an unfair amount of shit because Nico Harrison lost
his mind. But like, doesn't he have like perhaps the
most inflated reputation as a jump shooter in NBA history
because he had the season in the bubble where shots were.
Speaker 2: Going in in that He's not a jump shooter at all.
Speaker 1: He takes them like he will take them. They're just
not He doesn't take a ton of threes obviously. But
so now you add that element around him, and here's
the other thing. Okay, you still have Kyrie as Derek
Lively infury is supposed to be entering his prime, Like
is Kyrie gonna be retired on another team? Like Kyrie's
getting older, and you don't have the air apparent who's
gonna be like the primary driver of the offense that
someone like Derek Lively will always be dependent on. I
hate saying this, but I'm gonna go under. If Luca
was still on this team, I'm not trying to stick
the knife deeper. I probably would have taken the.
Speaker 2: Over well, right because to your DeAndre Jordan point, Chris
Paul's throwing those lobs like there's no chance Deonder Jordan's
everyone all start without Chris Paul. I think that's a
good corollary for this one.
Speaker 1: Who's our next team, mister Hughes.
Speaker 2: We got the Denver Nuggets coming up next. This is
I mean, Jamal Murray is just sitting there coming off
fifty five, like staring us in the face. There's also
Michael Porter Junior, Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown, Peyton Watson. Kind
of a grab bag here of established guys and young players.
So this is also a point five.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think I go over and I think it's just
Murray because if Murray we're playing, you know, like he
has over the last handful of weeks, you know, from
the start of the season, he might have made it
this year. And so I think, say that, though, what's that?
Speaker 1: How many times are we gonna have that again?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, the durability is there, obviously, that's an issue.
I mean, isn't he though? Does he have the crown
of best player to never make an All Star Game?
Now Mike Conley gave that up. I mean, he's on
the very very short list of that of that group,
it's like he just needs one. I think he's still
like he's not young, young, but like he's got enough
decent years left or like maybe close to this level
to where I have enough faith in his odds of
being like a pretty good pick, and then just the
rest of the grab bag, like maybe getting one at
some point, I feel like I feel pretty good about
the over at point five here.
Speaker 1: I'll take point five, and Murray's doing a good amount
of the heavy lifting. But as you just said before,
we've had this like some version of a conversation woll
if he just played like this all the time, it's
how many times are we gonna do that? But I
also the two names that stand out here to me,
it just wouldn't shock me if Peyton Watson because of
the role that he's in right now, if he ended
up having like some sort of the Larry Market in
late career leap, if they changed his roller. He's on
a different team, so there's upside there. And Michael Porter Junior,
if if we're talking about just envisioning a tenured player,
like couldn't he in theory just be a season where
he's averaging like twenty six or twenty seven points per
game and that would definitely get him in. And he's
such a good three point shooter that he doesn't necessarily
need the same number of shots to get there that
other players would. So I mean you talk about like
he's not the same player on defense, like kind of
the Klay Thompson mold, even Larry marketing, like the way
that he generates his offense, like to get some of
those gaudy numbers. And we've lately before MPJA had that
hamstring injury, that's kind of what he is doing. And
so I think there's I actually get asked you, but
I guess you think point five is the right number
whether this should be one point five. I think point
five is the right number. I will go over.
Speaker 2: I think it's the right number because just as you
were talking, it's kind of like, Okay, let's imagine the
scenario of MPJ being an All Star and then let's
imagine the one where Murray is. I think it's gonna
be one or the other, because there's not really I mean,
like maybe one's gone at some point, you know, like
there's not enough to go around. I think I don't
think unless unless we have the Murray out for the season,
MPJ goes nuts or vice versa, Like I don't think
they can both play at that there's just not enough
you know, enough numbers there bubbled up by both or
if you well, if Yokic has gone, everyone on the
team gets way worse and we're not having It's under.
Speaker 1: Onto the Detroit Pistons. Keg Cunningham is an All Star
this year, so he is not on this list. For
anyone wondering why he's excluded, they are another point five team,
primary considerations being Jade and Ivy Sar Thompson, Ron Holland,
Jalen Duran. Who's the name that you sort of glom
mom to here.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's a toss up between Thompson and Holland. And
I feel like I'm a bigger Ivy fan than most,
but I think those two guys. Thompson is just like
if he gets the minutes and he can be a
passable jump shooter, like that guy can do everything else,
just like we're we'll talk about his brother with the
rockets in a minute here. And then Holland. It falls
under the like you know, young enough enough upside enough
of a like mystery box that I can't rule it out,
which is inconsistent. I probably shouldn't have ruled out Bzellous
for the same reasons. But I mean I don't think Ivy, well,
Ivy's someone that like just might not be long for
this team potentially, So you're getting more bites at the
apple if you pick Thompson or Holland just because they'll
be under they'll be Pistons for longer, hypothetically. I like
the over here because all four of these guys that
we have listed have a shot at it, and I
think Thompson and Holland actually, like I feel pretty good
about betting on one of them.
Speaker 1: I really there was the what game was that I
think against the Sixers that Cade missed and we saw
a bunch of point Asar Thompson. Yeah, and he's had
like kind of a weird because of the blood clots,
how long it took him to come back, and then
just kind of the set up of the rosters role
as minutes. I like, not that I needed reminding him.
I still in on him, but it was just sort
of just like this reinforcement of Okay, like I know,
Ahmen's doing all these things, and it looks like he
clearly has the higher ceiling, but Usar Thompson like is
can be like just a great player and yes, there's
gonna be questions about the jump shot. He's the name
that I immediately get drawn to here as well. I
don't know how to I'm gonna go over. But I
don't feel as strongly about any of the other candidates
to where you're kind of looking as well, you're gonna
get another bite at the Allstar Apple with Ron Holland
or maybe Duran or even Ivy. I don't feel that
way about any and I just I can't get a
good feel for what I think Ron Holland is gonna be.
I think he's not good enough defensively and very limited offensively,
Like the passing is there, and I guess he's ever
gonna like you could say if he's ever gonna have
a consistent jump shot, but I have I don't know
if you've struggled at all the same way, like, I
see more of the and he's had more reps, so
I guess that's fair. But I see more of the
fury behind what Pikasar Thompson could look like even within
his limitations. I don't see that vision as well with
Ron Holland at the moment.
Speaker 2: For sure, And that's partly just because he hasn't shown
us as much. We just haven't had the opportunity. I
do think taking the over here is a real vote
of confidence that the Pistons will be a very good
team soon, because we should assume Cunningham's gonna make several
more and we're saying they're gonna have two All Stars
like concurrently probably at some point in the next I
don't know, three, four, five years, which I feel good.
I think like they've got Asar Thompson. I think it's
he suffers from amn. Thompson has been the story this year,
and it's like we're almost like not allowed to celebrate
both of them at the same time. Like last year
a men Thompson had the ankle and a Star was
just guarding everybody and putting up these crazy block and
steel numbers. It was like, oh, he's the one, and
then the men took over this year and al Asaar
is kind of like they're both I don't know, like
I think it's almost just like I think they're both
gonna be great, and they might be great like very similarly,
which is kind of kind of weird and cool too.
I mean, they're twins, so I don't know what you
expect But yeah, I like Thompson a lot. I think
he's he makes me feel very good about the.
Speaker 1: Over I did say gave curse reconsideration to Isaiah Stewart,
Whereas just if someone convinced him to take threes and
not hesitate, and then he played more minutes in any
given season, it would be almost like the Brook Lopez
trajectory where even when he started shooting threes, he was
kind of hesitant, yeah, and then he started just getting
them up and just like, what would that look like
from Isaiah Stewart? And we know his value as a
defender of course, right, who's our next team?
Speaker 2: Grant my team, your team, everyone's team. This is the
Golden State Warriors. Their number is also point five. Candidates
include Jonathan Kaminga who you might remember from back when
he used to play basketball like ten years ago, the
longest ankle injury recovery of all time, still out a Pajemski,
Quinton Post just a monster, a specialist, Guy Santos, real
fun inclusion by you on those last two. What do
you trying know? Moses Moody? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Moses Moody would be my pick, but who if it
would there be a different Moses Moody would be third,
but like who would be the fourth, like to put
up on this screen.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to think who would possibly be.
I don't think you could have a justifiable inclusion. But
they traded Lindy Waters, so that would have been the
right answer.
Speaker 1: And TJ D is just vanished.
Speaker 2: He's such a mystery, Like he just that he rates
well by a lot of catch alls. The plus minus
is bad generally, and like he'll make two or three
plays a game, and like, ah, guy's athletic, like he
can really do stuff. He just it doesn't he doesn't
impact the game somehow positively. I think he's one of
those guys that like makes enough defensive mistakes and is
like just lacking in size enough to not really be
helpful anyway. Here's a coming of stat dan. He has
averaged twenty points, six boards, two assists per thirty six,
and shot fifty percent for his first four years of
his career. Among guys with those numbers who played two
hundred games. So none of these guys that like had
three good games over four years. Uh, eighteen of the
twenty three went on to be all Stars, So like,
if you can, if you can do what he's done,
statistically at this age, your odds are very, very like
overwhelmingly good that you're going to be an All Star.
And most of those guys are like first ballot Hall
of Famers. So what's the over underund future Hall of Famers?
Is it point five?
Speaker 1: Here's my quiet follow up question. Where does he rank
in total minutes played on that list?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't have it up anymore because it's like
Kareem and Tim Duncan, like you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's all these guys I went through like those
first like two hundred games or like first four years
of their career or whatever. If you if you he's
towards the bottom for sure, he's like in the in
the mid to late teens, I think in terms of
good that's so that's one good knock.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I'm going over under yet.
Speaker 1: Either.
Speaker 2: That's one big knock is the availability. The other one
is like he's a restricted free agent. There's no guarantee
he's on the Warriors at this time next year, So
that rolls him out too.
Speaker 1: Well, this makes you feel better, but then I'm gonna
proceed to make you feel worse. If this makes you
feel better. I think he's still gonna be on the
Warriors because just to you can't let him go for
nothing and a sign in trade you run into base
year compensation issues. M hmm. I think they're just gonna
end up moving him by next year's deadline. He's redundant
to me with Jimmy Butler and Dre, maybe they end
up moving Draymond. I just that if if they end
up moving Draymond, I'll just be floored, Like just as
the emotional component there, I'm going under here. I we've
disagreed on Kaminga and I. The numbers are what the
numbers are. He just feels like one point five dimensional
to me. I don't see it consistantly on defense, doesn't
have the rebounding numbers. There's sometimes he like throws these passes,
and even just the the shot generation feels very words
not vanilla. But it's just he's not he's not the
best point shooter, and it's just he's not going to
generate his own threes ever, and it's just aside from him,
like I don't want to say going in a straight line,
so he could do more than that. But just like, Okay,
he scores and he scores from like one and a
half levels. Yep, But I don't I don't see it.
But he is so young, and maybe he ends up
being in a bigger role for them, and that's how it,
you know, Pops, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would say, not only have you and I disagreed
about him, I disagree with myself about him, like basically,
like on a rotating weekly kind of time setup where
I believe he'll be great, and then I'm convinced, beyond
a shadow of doubt that this guy just is not
like a winning player or a quality starter.
Speaker 1: So you feel about this is so off topic, but like,
how do you feel about the idea of especially the
way that they've been running their lineups with Draymond and
Jimmy on the court, How do you feel about those
two and him playing together? Like do you see it working? I?
Speaker 2: I think the best the lineup I want to see
is base Steph Pajemski or Moody either one Kamingau, Butler Draymond.
The spacing concerns are real. Kaminga will shoot threes and
and we we were talking before we started recording like
Kaminga is as big of a three point threat as
the current version of Buddy Healed, So what's the difference, Like,
he could definitely be out there. I think so that
I don't know how to answer the question. I think
there are going to be like real fit issues with spacing, crunches,
all this other stuff. I think it's possible that the
athleticism and the slashing in conjunction with Butler and Steph
like gets pretty interesting. I just the lane might just
be two packed for it to matter. I think that
the way you go over here and just say Kaminga
will be an All Star is they will bring him back,
they'll keep him, and it's only going to be a
couple of years before it's like he's the guy because
Steph will be gone, Draymond's gone, Jimmy's gone, or and
or they'll be in like dramatically reduced roles because they'll
all be like thirty nine years old, and you just
that's not a viable way to go. So I think
certainly ownership views Kaminga and Kaminga views Kaminga as the
number one option on a team. There might just be
a year or two where that's like actually the case,
and he gets the numbers and maybe finally because he
always plays better when he starts, always plays better when
his role is big. That's like a character knock frankly,
but it's it's also a fact.
Speaker 1: Uh so I'll go over.
Speaker 2: Mostly it's Kaminga just having an outside shot at being
like a number one option, like within his next contract,
and I think that it might it might be possible.
Speaker 1: No pathway for Pods, who's been shooting the hell out
of the ball since he returned from what he did,
like cut himself while trimming his goatee or something. What
was he with before?
Speaker 2: I would say if if all stars were judged by
plus minus and or charges drawn, he would have a
great chance.
Speaker 1: But he's I feel like there if you if you
were gonna go over, which I'm not going to, I'm
gonna take the under heear I The more compelling case
for me is Kaminga and Pods both give you long shots,
and that amounts to going over because Pods, I feel like,
in any given year not the same level of defender.
Want to make that clear, could have like the Derek
White type case, like oh shit, the Warriors are first
in the West, and look at Pod's's plus minus. He's
filling up the box score across the board. He hit
his threes that year. So I but I'm still going
under here. I just don't the logic you late out
with Kamingo though, where it's okay if he lasts on
this team beyond because like Jimmy Cumming, I think even
without Andrew Wiggins there, that's just gonna inherently kind of
repress his role. But that is temporary.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, so you're correct to go under. Let's
just set that out there. I'm going over just for funzies.
Speaker 1: We're onto the Houston Rockets, so I we have them
set at two point five All Stars. That is the
highest one. I think it's the It's tied for the
highest on this list. You have. I'm and Thompson, Reed Shepherd,
Jabari Smith Junior, Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore, Tarry Easton my
missing any but Nate Williams.
Speaker 2: Nate Williams the other night look like an All Star.
Speaker 1: Tell you that. So this is this is a lot
And like Shangun was an All Star this year, I'm
like almost, I don't know if I feel I'm and
Thompson is going to make an All Star Game at
some point. I feel pretty confident that I am still
read Shepherd pilled. That has not changed, even though he
hasn't played a ton this year and doesn't necessarily looked
great when he has played with the NBA club. But
I think he's gonna be an All Star. And so
it comes down, dude, for me, do you think that
Jabbari or Jalen Green or Cam whitmore specifically Eastan feels
like a stretch But he's just part of the young course.
So I threw him in there. Could they catch lightning
in a bottle? That's tough for me. I think I'm
inclined to go under so.
Speaker 2: Much like you're read Shepherd Pilled, which I would sort
of join you in, I'm Jabari Smith Pild and and
like in the in kind of a way that like,
I think he's gonna be a helpful guy, like a
good starter and like kind of an X factor on
a good version of this Rockets team. I don't know
if that's the same thing as being an All Star,
but Thompson's in Green is the swing guy for me
because I think there's a version of this Rockets team,
and we've seen quite a bit of it with Van
Fleet at where it's like he's got the ball a lot,
and you know, the hot and cold stretches are what
they are. He's honestly still young enough to where like
he might just become more consistent and he's a twenty
five per game guy with good efficiency, Like that's not
out of the question for me. Two and a half though,
Like if we assume Thompson has it, we still need
two more. But so and you're really talking about Green,
Shepherd and Smith, two of those three guys gonna do it.
I think I have to go under if it's one
and a half. If it's one point five, I'm over one.
Speaker 1: And a half. Is that the better was two and
a half? Two? Because I looked at it as I
guess I just do reached out. I think he's like
a he's a default for me.
Speaker 2: So I was looking at he's in he's in ink already.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if it was one and a half, I
don't know that there's there's no realistic number between those two.
So maybe it's because you have to think harder about
two and a half. I think two and a half
is the right number. I'm just going under.
Speaker 1: Now. If it was two, it'd just be a push
for you. We're gonna go over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I just push. That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Next team is yours. Who we got?
Speaker 2: We got? Indy list includes Benedict Mathern, Jars Walker, Andrew Impard,
Miles Turner.
Speaker 1: Just by the way, I didn't have him on the
initial list because I could have sworn he made an
All Star Game. He did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's a he's in the conversation with with
Jamal Murray and Derek White then as like best player
to not make an All Star Game. So I mean
Turner might not be on this team, probably will Walker
and Matherin, who knows. Man, it's by the way, I
didn't say that. Yeah, I'm going under. I just I don't.
I don't feel confident that any of these guys are
are going to be All Stars.
Speaker 1: I'm going under as well. Who is the one that
gives you the best chance of hitting me over? Though
drawn to Andrew nemhard because I think that I have
to see what he's gonna end up at as the
game's played. But he's an All defense candidate type of guy. Yeah,
he can just pop on offense. And so if he's
healthy for an entire year and he's playing all like
he's playing all defense level at one end and then
scoring like I don't know, fifteen points a game he's
at he's at under eleven, Now like that might be
I know, I think Bennetcmathern's probably like the highest upside play.
But they might look at and say, if there was
gonna be someone who one has the time, I think
Miles Turner, if he stays in Indie is just he's
getting older. Right, I would go with Andrew Nemhard.
Speaker 2: I just don't Nimhard doesn't seem like because he is
a defense you know, defined by his defense to this point,
do you think there's enough sort of room for him
to be as big of an offensive contributor as you'd
like with you know, tal Yeah, if that's true. Right, Actually,
good point. How about this if it's if it's nem Hard,
it means Matherin's gone, And if it's Mathering, it means well,
I don't know what that means. That that's just hard
to see what the pacers that means. Alburton or if
you if we expanded it to like he doesn't have
to be a pacer when it happens. Mathering might be
my pick, just because I think he could go somewhere
and get like super high usage, like heavy minutes, and
just the numbers would would be there. I don't know, honestly,
I am leaning Turner, even though it's you know, he
might just be already on he is already kind of
on the back nine. I don't love any of them.
I guess I'll just say Turner to be different. But
I like your nem hard case.
Speaker 1: We're onto the Los Angeles Clippers. Their primary options are
a Vita, Zoobots, Norman Powell, Kobe Brown, and then I
couldn't decide between Cam Christy or Trenton Flowers. I like,
I like the like Trenton Flowers is just body type,
So I just put through them in there. Uh the
over under his point five. I actually think this is
a little bit more interesting. I think most people we
know what they're gonna default to. But couldn't you kind
of see any given year like Zubots just getting it in,
or more so this year would have been the year
that would have been Norman Powell. Then you kind of
start to circle back to the West and it's my God,
like or like any of these dudes supposed to make it.
So I'm going under point five. But I think the
Norman Powell will each Zubats aspect, and I still kind
of just I don't know what it is, but like
I'm kind of smitten with Kobe Brown a little bit.
And so if there's just like five years down the line,
is he getting a shit ton of playing time? I
don't know, but I do think this is a this
is an under situation.
Speaker 2: It's an under for me because I think what we
are watching right now, like is the year you're talking
about for both Al and Zubots, Like this is as
well as either of them. I think it will ever
play like that's just this is this is the apex
And maybe that means we're not choosing all stars correctly
because Zubots, I think, really does have a really good case.
In Powell. I think if we're picking today, are we
both Powell is most improved?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's my most well, I will say he com
missed one more game. Oh, Trey Murphy's making it interesting.
Speaker 2: Yes he is. Uh do you see the stat the
other day about his playmaking leap and forget the scoring
like Murphy's just now he's a great facilitator all of
a sudden, like that's that's exciting.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, even more mind boggling that Brandon Ingram
was on this team for as long as he was,
because like Tray Murphy was showing those flashes like almost
from the jump. Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that'll be the Pelican section. Yeah, this is
an under I think Zubots and Powell as good as
they can be right now, which is very good, and
it wasn't enough this year.
Speaker 1: I think normOn Powell's most improved. I think Zubots is
still probably I won't say most, but like if you
were building an all NBA underappreciated team, for sure, he's
on first team for me because I don't even think
I picked him for my all You might have picked
him for one of your all defense squads. At the
halfway mark. I don't see really anyone mentioning him. The
Dunker Spot mentioned him when they did, they mentioned everybody,
but those guys are thoroughays hell. But I just like,
if this you said it, if this, if it was
gonna happen, it would have been this year and the
fact that he can't even generate what feels like regular
all defense buzz yeah, globble that that ship is totally sailed.
Then well grant the Lakers, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So we got Austin Reeves, we got Dalon Connects.
I see what you did here? Yeah, Bryce James, that's
that's presumple. That's making some assumptions. Why isn't Brownie on here?
By the way, if you're gonna do that, Uh, we
have Rui and any big they get for Luca. Yeah.
Mark Williams might have been an All Star if you
if Luca just turns Jackson Hayes, well all Star. That's
the wild card in all this is like he's gonna
make all these guys better one some some way. Like So,
I don't know, maybe there's upsides to everybody Reeves is.
So this is the point five as well. If I
didn't say that Reeves is the interesting one here kind
of a So he's already twenty six, So it's like,
you know, I don't know how much upside there is.
And it's not like you can say, well, once Lebron's gone,
Reeves's usage will be through the roof, because now Luca's here,
so his usage will only ever be at like a
number two. Do you don't you think there's like a
hypothetical where Lebron's gone. Reeves really is like the one
A to Luca, and the Lakers are very good somehow,
mostly because lucas there and we got to give him two,
and Reeves is averaging like nineteen five and five and shooting,
you know, getting back to like his early career like
insane three point accuracy, like that's that's possible. But because
he's already late twenties, like I don't know, he might
start slipping, you know, in two years like that. That's
on the table too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to go under here. I just don't
His would almost be that Derek just to reference Derek
White again, or have to be sort of the Derek
White case, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think I'm going under two Reeves. I
did have to think about Reeves. I'd really like him,
and I think there's like the scenario I laid out
is like semi plausible, but but it's got to be
an under because nobody else here has a shot other
than Bryce James. Of course.
Speaker 1: I think what you could also go with is that
because it's the Lakers. If they are good enough, there
will be this assumption they have to get to and
so on. The post lebron Era would be Luca and Reeves.
Like you said, my counter to that would just be, well,
they're just gonna get another star and free agency like
that star will be making the All Star Game as
they get too.
Speaker 2: In the made up future we're talking about, Reeves is
the third option, not the second, probably right.
Speaker 1: I think that's what would derail any case he has
so under from me as well, the Memphis Grizzlies, Desmond Baine,
Zach Edy, Gigi Jackson, Jayalen well Santi Aldama. Would you
include anybody else on that that list?
Speaker 2: I mean you're not. He wouldn't do Vince Williams, Scottie Pippen. Uh. Yeah,
well I just traded Jake Lauravia, so he's out.
Speaker 1: I had them as a one point five over under.
Do you think it needs to be lower than that?
Speaker 2: No, because I think we would both agree that Desmond
Bain has already played at an All Star level, and
he's kind of in that Derek White Jamal Murray my
bucket where it's like it's just you know, he's he's
been good enough. It's just you know, either it's been
an injury or not enough recognition. Like he so I
think he's a pretty solid given and he's gonna be
with the team he's got, you know, for I don't
know why they ever move on from him. So then
it's just like, so that's why one point five is right?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Then it's like, man, Wells doesn't seem like an all
star type kind of he's just like a winning player
that's gonna be a role guy Edie, I just don't
know how you get you know, the minutes, the numbers too,
Like what's the key does Edie have to? Like?
Speaker 1: Well, he has the Brook Lopez case.
Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, that's interesting. I didn't think about that.
If he's just if he if the stretch is real, yeah,
then he's very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you have to imagine that. Or are they
really gonna like split up the big man playing time
the way like it's it feels like they're at some
point not gonna have like four or five bigs. They'll
have just three and he should be able to play
the minutes there. I think I'm gonna be no, I
have to go under something. I think Edie it's Eatier
Jackson for me, because Jackson just feels like such a
swing where it's he's kind of got like it feels
like he's no, I shouldn't say this, that's like two extreme.
That's more so like Isaiah Collier's destined for got you
promoted or got you fired greatness, and like Gig Jackson is,
I could see him getting someone promoted, but he's not
gonna get you fired just because of where like the
agency they give him and so, but he does feel
like a super like in the vein of different players
like Peyton Watson, where he's kind of doing the least
when you look, not the least, but you have Christian
Brown ranked ahead of him right now, I still think
he just might have more upside. And so I feel
that way about Gigi Jackson relative to you know, Jalen
Wells or Southie al Dama, guys who are doing more
right now?
Speaker 2: What do you think about Like we didn't talk about
him much with the Rockets, but I think of Jackson
kind of similarly to Cam Whitmore, where it's like you
know there's something there. It definitely needs to be like
fine tuned, but but you know the frame and the scoring,
like the drive to score and the instincts and stuff,
the athleticism like it's he looks when he when he
walks on the floor for warm ups, It's like that
guy looks like an all star. And then you see
flashes in the game where it's like, yeah, that like
just a big wing forward guy that can you know,
out athlete A lot of players like wants to score,
wants to shoot a lot like he definitely has like
the makeup or the look I guess is maybe again
the right word.
Speaker 1: So man, fuck it, I'm going over. I'm gonna be
an optimist for a change.
Speaker 2: I think I gotta go over to because I love
the Edias brook Lopez theory that I hadn't really considered
that we're putting a lot of stock in Desmond bine
being a given, by the way, But but I think
that's reasonable.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to over two point five, that
makes our decision easier.
Speaker 2: No, that's too easy. Again, great line setting, because one
point five was was tough.
Speaker 1: You aren't going to take us too to Miami Heat,
all right, Colo, this is a point five khalel Ware
Jima Hakas Junior, Nicole Jovich Pella Larson, anybody else you'd
even think about here? Like I thought, like what if
just tyro Doar's year had one of those Charlotte years?
Speaker 2: But do you want to talk about Terry rose Eer
and betting odds?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's a good idea?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, sorry, he's probably listening to this pot or
the people.
Speaker 2: That's just that's that's lazy. I'm ashamed of myself.
Speaker 1: He had. They didn't find any wrong doing with him specifically,
And it's also it's an interesting case with him because
he makes so much money that I don't understand why
he in that business. So, uh maybe nothing untoward happened
on his end, is what I would say.
Speaker 2: Probably nothing untoward happened. Uh So I wonder what you
think about this? Where is the guy that is giving
me the hardest like time decision wise?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: He's looked really, really good once he's gotten like actual minutes.
Speaker 1: Did you see that he's the favorite to whin Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 2: Now, isn't that nuts? Like that that seems like too much,
but like he it is.
Speaker 1: Sort of just it just it's a harbinger of what
this rookie class is though, where it's just we were
I had Jared McCain number two, and he had played.
Speaker 2: Like a month of the year, Like, how many more
minutes is Castle gonna play than where by the end
of the season, it's like gonna be several hundred, Like
it might you know, it might be a thousand.
Speaker 1: It's just khal Well, yeah, but Khlil will probably end
up playing more than Joel Embiid did. But like if
you if it goes to someone who's just like the
most outstanding rookie rather than waiting sample size retroactively, Joel
Embiid third year Joel Embiide technically is gonna be bussed.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing I mean, I I don't think
yovic I would kind of rule out Larson as a
role guy. To me, Hawkez is a really good role guy.
Speaker 1: Do you think here's my issue with khleio ware. Let's
say you buy into the stretch, buy into the ball
skills getting better, buy into him doing maybe some more
I'll say, effectively like traditional big man stuff on defense.
Does it become a lot harder for him to make
the All Star Games as long as Bam out of
Bayo's there or no, Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And then and then you're like, well, how
good is this heat front line? All of a sudden,
if we've got too got I mean, well auto bio
has had a rough year, But like, I guess it
does make it harder. I think, I don't know what
the flashes we've seen from where, and given his youth
and his size, and if the stretch is like real
at all at any kind of volume, I don't know.
I think I'm tempted to go over and that's this
is even a smaller like sample than a lot of rookies.
I've kind of dismissed. I just I kind of like,
I like what I've seen, get a feeling with with where,
you know, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: There's also like, had we done this exercise at this
point last year, wouldn't we have talked more about or
at all about Haimi hawkas.
Speaker 2: We last year, we would have talked more about him,
I think, But wasn't that the knock is like he's
pretty fully formed. I don't know how much upside there is,
like that that really was the wrap. So sometimes that
turns out to be true.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go under here. I don't I don't
know if I also think for the player that khilwear is,
if he's never like an ace defender, I think that's
gonna work against him because people look at his prototype
of player and say or assume that they need to
be like really good on like not they're different players.
But it's obi Toppin could average twenty five points a
game is never gonna be an All Star.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, well, now just watch Yovich go full Lurry
Markin in the next couple of years, and we will.
Speaker 1: Hel Larson's coming baby. Then when Drew Smith gets healthy,
it's over.
Speaker 2: Oh look out forgot about Drew Smith.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. This is just sad, which there It wouldn't
be sad if they were like really good, but they're
barely a contender, but their primary candidates. This is a
point five Kyle Kuzma, AJ Green, Tyler Smith, Andre Jackson here,
I mean to Chris Livingston, you want to throw him
in there too. If A. J.
Speaker 2: Johnson were still on this team, we would be talking
about him, probably more than.
Speaker 1: Anybody I didn't I The only way I'll support that
trade is if they end up doing well in the
playoffs and Kyle kus was like a huge reason why
the Bucks fans all of a sudden thinking that like
aj Johnson was going to be a lifeline to the future,
like spare me, it wasn't a good trade, but this
is like it's I think it was because he had
like a good game like at the NBA level before
he was traded. But I haven't everyone hated that pick
in real time. I didn't know enough about him at
the time. I haven't seen anything that makes me think
the Bucks are gonna regret giving him up. If anything,
I think it circles back to, oh, they really missed
Chris Middleton during these you know this next one or
two playoff pushes. Yeah, But I will say the player
here that intrigues me the most kind of is Tyler Smith.
Just like when you look at his archetype, it's sort
of stand out for the position. And so if he's
gonna come in and he's going to shoot super well
from three or something in the per minute numbers are
gonna hold. That would be. If you're asking me to
identify who's the most likely future All Star on this team,
I'm just going to pick the twenty year old who's
six eleven and is willing to shoot threes, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's the right. It's the unknown as like a
virtue in this case, because what we know about the
knowns is like they're just not all stars. This is
an easy under for me. I don't see it with
anybody here.
Speaker 1: I if anyone would like to make the case for
aj Green Kyle, who like we were all years, I
probably won't agree with you. But your team, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Minnesota is up next. Rob Dillingham, Jade McDaniels, nos Reed,
Leonard Miller, Nikhil Alexander Walker is not listed here. That's
preposterous trying to think of anybody else. And he's gonna
leave Luca Garza, who else Josh Myers, come on? So
Dillingham is the flashes have been there and you the
path to like just succeeding Mike Colmley is fairly obvious,
so like we should assume he's gonna be a pretty
big minute starting point guard fairly soon, like while he's
still in the early stages of his rookie deal. So
that's one I don't see it. For McDaniels, you know
the comingus stat I trotted out, and nos Reed is
in that group of like the twe six and two.
Speaker 1: I don't actually play more minutes than coming too.
Speaker 2: So and then I thought about it. I was like,
if nas Reed was a full time starter, like I
could see it, and you know all the there are
reasons he isn't a full time starter, but he's younger
than you think, and offensively, I think he can produce
like all star ish numbers. It's just like, what's what's
the path to?
Speaker 1: That is just what Randall's bend with the pistons of
the furs this summer.
Speaker 2: That might be That's the thing, Like can it happen here?
I don't know. I think Dillingham is this is the
point five. By the way, I think Dillingham is the
is the default pick, just because you can see his
impact already in short bursts and he's got the lottery pedigree,
you know. So I'll go over because I do think
Reid has like a way outside shot at it, and
I think Dillingham is actually a pretty decent shot at it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over as well. And what I would
add to that is Jaydon McDaniel can have an outside
chance I think in sort of any given year. And
we've harped a lot about and honestly, it looked like
he was going to have one of the league's worst
deals at some point this season. And he's really done
a lot to improve himself or just be better offensively,
and what we're seeing kind of recently, and it's more
extended than this, but he's shooting fifty percent on seven
drives a game over his last ten games. So the
fact that he has that element leads me to believe
all defense stable if there's ever a setup with this roster,
and certainly if Julius rand I mean this is coincided
with Julius Randall's absence a little bit. It was doing
it before, but now if you removed to Julius Randall
usage from the equation, and then yeah, okay, you sprinkling
Rob Dillingham, but he's so good at working away from
the ball and getting off the ball. If you can
get a higher usage version of Jane McDaniels on offense,
and honestly, if you could tell me that Jane McDaniels
was going to have a season where he had twenty
five usage or something, I might have bumped the over
under here up to one and a half. So I'll
go over here because I think that there's I might
feel a little bit worse about it, Like who is
the last small guard, like that was regularly considered for
All Star? Was it CP three or whom I'm missing?
Speaker 2: It's tough. I mean, like Isaiah Thomas had a minute there,
but that's an ultra small guard. Yeah, like I mean
Dame is on the well, Conley's another one there. Yeah,
It's it's hard to do as a small guard, especially
when you have an high usage like superstar guard next
to you.
Speaker 1: Is the answer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, I'm gonna go over.
Speaker 1: I think the conversation would be, would like, do you
see a case for this needing to be set at
one point five rather than point No.
Speaker 2: I would have gone under pretty easily there.
Speaker 1: I think I probably would have gone over just because
the Leonard Miller. But whatever. The Pelicans, this is a
point five team and you have Trey Murphy, Jorn Hawkins,
Herb Jones, the Untouchable Eaves, mecuh CG. McCollum hasn't made
an All Star game yet. You throw him in there
too if you think that that's something that that might happen.
Speaker 2: So, I mean his name should be there, right, like
you got well, anyway.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go I like Trey, So here's why
I'm gonna go over. And I think that this is
just situational, but it's just like they're twenty twenty five
draft pick if you wanted to throw that, and they're like,
that's gonna be pretty high. So maybe it's then, But
I really like Trey Murphy. You mentioned sort of the
playmaking bump from him. I think that he's someone who's
gonna get like when we look back kind of in
like three or four years, we might see like someone
who's noticeably better defensively and the fact that he just
has more layers to his offensive game than the long
distance shooting or even kind of the movement or spacing
away from the ball. I'm gonna go over. I'm a
little bit reluctant because I don't know if he's ever
gonna be like on a healthier version of the Pelicans
or one that's competing. I don't think he's ever gonna
necessarily have the opportunity license that he has right now.
But he's just a really good all round player, and
I think that can you know, give him a chance
to get into the all start discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Murphy. Murphy definitely is the reason I go over Hawkins.
Like that's a tough one. He's just gonna have to
like lead the league in three point shooting probably or
be up in that conversation, which is not out of
the question. He's definitely had stretches where he looks like
a defense breaker, like one of those rare movement guys
that can just you know, kind of open everything up
herb like remember when I mean another all D. He's
kind of the Jade McDaniels theory like, plus you know,
the flashes we've seen of him as like a playmaker.
You're gonna have to question the opportunities he'll get in
pick and roll stuff just because of who's on his team.
I don't know if you've got the defense locked in
and there's a way for him at some point to
you know, average seventeen a game or something like. Not
totally out of the question, but Murphy gets you the
over pretty comfortably. I think he's in his age twenty
four season, leaps as a scorer, leaps as a facilitator.
The Pelicans should just make him a high use like that.
That just needs to be the thinking. So I go
over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're if you're looking at it, which we
should really focused on the long term, when is Zion
and de Chantey Murray both still going to be there?
And the answers probably know whatever this next iteration of
the team is, it would probably surprise me if it happened.
I'll say it would probably surprise me if it happened
before they go the nuclear route of making him, let's
just say their number two, whether that involved of getting
rid of Murray or we don't even if Murry's gonna
play next year, so actually maybe it could happen next year.
Who knows. Oh boy, Grant, we're onto your New York Knicks,
so you got.
Speaker 2: Already got Kat and already got Jalen Brunston. So that
that's gonna be like front of mind as we try
to rationalize these other names. Michel Bridges, o Gnobi, Josh Hart,
Mitchell Robinson. I'll just say, so you don't have to
pack on Dattier Frank Mila Kino on a comeback tour.
Tyler Kolek would have said Jericho Simms, but he's gone.
Here's the problem. They have two that are just gonna
be there, like and Kat and and Brunson. I think
so getting a third just because of the way it works.
Speaker 1: Boks have done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the way it works is you've got to
be like a like a pretty close to like a
runaway number one seed in your conference, which how's that?
How's that happening in the next couple of years. So
while I think like Bridges and Anonobe specifically are guys
that for other teams we'd say like, oh yeah, the
up sure, the upsides there. They could you know, could
have a lightning in a bottle year. Can't say either
has had a career year yet they're still like in
prime seasons just because they have to be the third
guy on this team. I think it's I gotta go
under the point five here, just because I don't think
the situation is right. It's not so much about the
players themselves.
Speaker 1: So I'm going under as well. And I would counter that,
I think the situation if mckal Bridges was a different
type of player like would be or the player that
I think even I thought maybe he could be. Look,
at some point they probably need to have a conversation.
It'll be when they get eliminated from the playoffs that
the Knicks gave up all that to get their fifth
best player this Yeason. That's a the two that I
look at or but like I think he had, you
have to believe in his All Star potential if you're
gonna pick the over here, because I don't think you're
not getting a better version of Ogn Andobi and Josh
Hart than you had this year. Yeah, and they didn't.
I saw Knicks fans were trying to make the push
for both of them. They had fantastic years. I don't
think like even going through people that I thought were snubbed,
I just don't think they probably had a real chance.
And if I had to pick between the two, I mean,
it probably should be Josh Harp, but I think people
latch onto Ogn Andobi more. Yeah, Like even though Josh
Hart Ojannoby's gonna score more, but Josh Hart's is gonna
have more counting stats. Overall, I'm going under here as well,
which I think speaks to which is I still think
Michal Bridge is a fantastic player, ultra scalable, But it
does speak to that the Knicks didn't trade like when
they gave up all that, they weren't getting someone who
had just an All Star type trajectory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Rond to the Oklahoma City Thunder. The over under has
set its seven and a half everyone on their roster
the actual over under his set so Jaalen Williams made
an All Star game this year, which I actually briefly
forgot when I was making this grant, so I initially
had them set at two and a half. They're set
at one and a half. You have Chet Holmgren, which
I think that he's the given, and then you get
into like, okay, what are the swing pieces? Nicolo topicch
Aaron Wiggins, AJ Mitchell, Cason Wallace, Brandon Carlson. Oh, can
I actually say something very quickly all out? If they
played and one of them was playing, AJ Mitchell got injured,
if both Carlson and AJ Mitchell were playing, I think
they would be like all rookie shoeings. I'm just we've
seen very little Brandon Carlson and the stuff I've seen,
I'm smitten. Is the worm going to throw around? Then?
AJ Mitchell like he's a fuck he was.
Speaker 2: I think we had him. We were talking about him
already as a rookie, even though the role is tiny.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's always gonna shoot like this,
but the defense is hell fire and he just moves
so well away from the ball. Could just sneak in
like the lanes and stuff with or without the rock?
I can't, honestly, I wonder. I mean, they probably still
would have made the trade because what was Josh Gidty
doing for them? But like if you knew and A
J Mitchell ended up getting injured, if you told Sam
Presty before the Alex Caruso trade that AJ Mitchell was
gonna be this and he was healthy, part of me
thinks that he wouldn't have made the Alex career. He
would have done something else with Josh Giddy.
Speaker 2: But either yeah, either way, Giddy's gone. We can agree
on that, but it might not have been for Caruso.
I mean, so Chad is a given, like he's he's
gonna make multiple All Star Game as long as he's healthy.
I don't know where the second guy comes from to
get over the one and a half, Like I almost
want to go topitch, but then that's just like how
how is he gonna have the role that he needs
on this team to be an All Star caliber producer?
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't.
Speaker 2: And then I'm also just picking him because you know,
oh that some of the draft stuff was really interesting
and we haven't seen any of his flaws this year
because he hasn't played because he's been injured. So like,
if you you feel, I feel like I'm sensing through
the screen that you're leaning more like more towards the
over and who who is it that's getting you there?
Speaker 1: I feel it towards this through that I can sense it.
I think. So it's Topiic and Aaron Wiggins for me. Uh,
I think Aaron Wiggins has like I just want to
see what would happen if you put him in a
thirty minutes per game role, like for an entire season,
the upside as what he can do on defense, and
as someone you're talking about, well, how do you get
the numbers when you're looking at the larger context of
this team? He is the example. But it's just it's
him and I think topich I'm probably I'm higher on
him than consensus. Do you remember who my draft comp
was for him when we did this? It was Shay
And so I understand what you're saying about there being
either redundancies or would he just be cannibalized by having
j Dubb and sh and Shay and then of course
others ahead of him in the pecking water. We gotta
think super long term here again for this exercise, there
could be a season where maybe the thunder look different,
maybe Chet or someone else. I'm not wishing it, but
they're injured and like it just upset like Nicole Topers
could be jumping center at some point with all the
injuries to these bigs in Okay. See, so looking ultra
long term, Topitch is the guy for me that is
gonna swing it to the over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I would love to have seen him
play a second this year. I think, I think because
I feel so strongly that Chet is just like of
anybody we've covered, Like I think it's yes, he's gonna
be an All Star. He's I think Chet's gonna make
all NBA teams. That's three because Shay and j Jada
aren't going anywhere, So I guess what how about this,
I think it's more likely that Okac's fourth All Star
is not on the team yet, Like it'll be someone
that they finally fire some bullets out and trade for.
Just Topich is the one that gives me the most pow.
Speaker 1: But I can't. We don't know anything about how he's
how he's gonna perform at an NBA level. With the caveat,
I think everything you're saying is super valid based off
J Dove's limitations to this point. As a number two type,
couldn't you sort of see a progressive segue too? They're
gonna slide him to the number three because Topic is
more of that player, and that might be the pathway
for Topic making it in the nearer term.
Speaker 2: Yes, I could see that. I just what I haven't
seen is topic play. So I just I can't. I
don't know yet. I can't go well correct over under,
by the way, correct over, I'm gonna go under because
I don't. I just I think getting the fourth guy
is really hard, and I just don't know what the
chances of that are.
Speaker 1: Have we ever had a team like in the modern
era that we never had a team that four all starts?
The Hawks? Did it?
Speaker 2: Remember the Hawks? In like twenty fourteen? Everybody but Damari Carroll,
So it was like Tigue, Korver, Horford and Millsap made it.
Speaker 1: I forgot Korver was on that all part because they
had a.
Speaker 2: Trillion wins at the All Star break and they just
was like, we got to get four somehow, and Carol
was the one that didn't make it.
Speaker 1: That just that would never fly in the Western com No,
that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Now, it's and they're in the West too. We're gonna
take four guys from one team in the West.
Speaker 1: Like how old is Nicolo Topicch I don't know, twelve exactly,
so he has another forty years until he's gonna retire
or whatever it is. So I I think because you
haven't seen him, it's fair. But I think you're taking
a little bit too narrow overview here because in the
their scenario where they decide this team gets too expensive,
either Shay or j Dubb or Holmegrin is just gone.
And like there's just like sort of a net, like
they got all these like cost controlled assets and draft picks,
and so I'm not wishing the end of the Thunder window.
I just think this team, more so than any other
team the Rockets might come pretty close. Their future is
so open ended that you can I'm thinking like eight
years into the future basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, the Thunder always keep their young
course together forever too. They don't just start trading on
training them off, you know, uh, because look, was it
was Serge Ibacca ever an All Star? I don't think so,
but they had. I mean, that would have been a
fun over under with Russ Harden, Durant and Ebaka and
probably like Steven Adams throw him in there, or I
guess Adams came over for Harden. So that doesn't work.
But man, the Thunder, the Thunder are good at accumulating
young talent. Have you ever had that thought?
Speaker 1: No? Uh, but you said, Serge of Bacca, I need
to see and I won't do it myself because of
how all the picks have ended up the Serge of
Bacca trade tree. It's gotta be fucking crazy, because you
think they they flipped him for Oladipo and some bonus
who turned into Paul George who then turned into a
bajillion picks. Yeah, and like those who have just been
like some of those are still with the Thunder. They
they're gonna start using them. They've probably said others away
that Sergebacca trade tree might be one of like the
the nastiest, like filthiest in NBA history.
Speaker 2: Also Sibonis on the Thunder feels like an alternate universe.
That was a real thing that happened, like he was
on the Thunder. I just like I can't. And they
thought he was a stretch big too. That that was
the crazy I.
Speaker 1: Knew like you did, that he was the most overrated player.
And then they they did it.
Speaker 2: They did it right.
Speaker 1: So you went under which was the wrong answer. I
went over the right answer. And we move on to
your Orlando magic from there, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Franz, Wagner, Jalen Suggs, a lot of good candides,
Anthony Black, Wendel, Carter Junior, who I definitely predicted, probably
like four or five years ago.
Speaker 1: Not old.
Speaker 2: He's twenty five, which is why you like, yeah, what
the number is? One and a half here? One point five.
Paulo Bankaro's already made it.
Speaker 1: Any other name Franz was going to make.
Speaker 2: It, he would have made it. That. That's so he's
a given. I think Fronz will be an All Star
at some point. Man. First of all, before we start
picking this apart, like Isaac's never gonna play enough, Jeded
Howard not gonna get there. Who else is even someone
we should.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I know he's playing minutes. I just don't see
it with Tristan da Silva, Like he might get all
rookie love because of the minutes and he's a participant
in like one of the NBA's best defenses.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's he He's a glue guy. He's there's
no all star upside.
Speaker 1: For He's like a store brand glue stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a blue stick guy, not an All Star.
It comes down to like sugs and black, mostly because Carter,
you could say, is he ever going to be healthy
enough for long enough? Although you only got to play
the first you know, forty ish games and then you
can fall apart. Would his injuries just come early?
Speaker 1: What's his pathway? When looking at is it? It's just
the Al Horford case at that movie. He's not really
elite at any of the traditional big man things, but
he does so many things that he's just awesome.
Speaker 2: He would need a new he would need this stretch dimension,
I think to become like his primary offensive utility team
just needs a stretch Well, yeah, somebody better do it,
right Suggs. Suggs, I mean has played like some all
star caliber ball, right, Like I mean it's just he's
the defense is locked in. We said that about several guys.
If the three point shooting from last year could be
paired with the defense and he stays healthy, I think
I'm going over because I think Anthony Black, who knows
like it's early enough in his career where maybe he
gets there too.
Speaker 1: He's, by the way, Anthony Black looks even younger than
he is, like he's one of the players I look
at and it's just, oh my god, like you are
a child. I'm gonna go under. And this is wild
because I tend to be higher on Jail and Suggs
than you, Right, yeah, you do. I just look at it.
The fact that Derek White, Marcus Smart, like none of
those guys have made it an All Star game. I
like Suggs, I think has a higher like overall ceiling
than Derek White because he just feels more abrupt. But
I don't think that's a good way to ration him,
like actually being All Star caliber. I don't know if
he's ever gonna have the offensive efficiency or numbers on
this team because you look at Okay, they have Pollow
and Franz now and they actually need somebody else who
isn't schelling Sugs, so eventually he's gonna trickle down the
pecking order even further. I'm gonna go under. I don't
feel great about it, but again, shout out. I mean
I was traditionally lower on Franz than consensus, and I
was clearly just wrong that dude. The fact that he's
we haven't penciled in is just yet. He'll make one yep.
Speaker 2: Well, he was on our MVP ballot before we got her.
I think it's it's a it's a really good point
you make about Suggs, where like the best version of
Suggs on the Magic is one that's doing less. So
it's like, how like how you know what?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: They based on what they need to add for this
team to actually score enough. He's in a fourth option
situation and maybe fifth you.
Speaker 1: Mentioned Anthony Blacker. I don't know how you get there
with him. Maybe just don't have a great feel for
what he could be offensively.
Speaker 2: He feels glooey too and is not a great fit
with Suggs just because the limitations are kind of similar.
I don't know, I do there's a possibility that it's
like one or the other. Like I guess if like Sugs,
if they move on from Sugs and black, it just
becomes the point guard, then maybe there's a way.
Speaker 1: I don't know, And honestly, just the outside chance of
Wendell Carter Junior having like a fifteen like fifteen point
seven rebound, like five assists season while like in a
block while shooting from three. The Horford in the over. Yeah,
this is and that's the word we're gonna use is
gluey from now on. Like there's enough gluey guys here.
Speaker 2: Some he has some adhesive properties.
Speaker 1: Nice job selling me on the over. Thanks the Philadelphius
seventy six ers they have. This is there's a point
five spoiler alert. Jared McCain, Justin Edwards, Quentin Grimes A
dem Bona. Is there anyone else that you, like you
want to throw in there, Ricky.
Speaker 2: Council, Yeah, don't. Yeah, you have to do councils a
good inclusion.
Speaker 1: The eventual Joel Embiid's bionic knees.
Speaker 2: Jaba Stile since they once they max him out to
keep him, I mean, it's just McCain and like, how
does that work with MAXI also being there? Like, I
don't know, is there enough to go around. I guess
there's some hypothetical where embiid is gone and suddenly you're
built around like your two undersized guard backcourt and it's
like a Dame McCollum situation. But like then, McCollum never
made an All Star Game, as you noted, so I
don't know where I'm going with that.
Speaker 1: If he was in the East, when McCollum have made
an All Star Game.
Speaker 2: Probably I mean, he's like he's been just rock solid, consistent.
McCain has had some had some real moments before he
got hurt where you could really talk yourself into he
might be capable of like number one option stuff on
like a decent offense. But Maxie's there and he's already
got his contract and he's just going to be the
guy I think deservedly. So I don't know where mcain
fits into that. So I think I lean under.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under as well. If I told you
that if McCain wasn't on the Sixers, do you think
high enough of him to have penciled him as a
like over zero point five. I don't think I'm there yet,
I just not.
Speaker 2: Quite, But I feel better about it just because him
and MAXI is such like, we can't that's just you
can't do that. I don't think, I.
Speaker 1: Will say did not really factor into the consideration, but
I was recently doing a redraft of the twenty twenty
four class. I had justin Edwards very close to a
lottery grade. Yeahs for finding him, but that doesn't didn't know, Baron,
I'm going under here as well. Okay, who do we
got next, mister Hughes.
Speaker 2: Oh we have the stocked Phoenix Suns. So basically everybody
who you expect has made All Star teams is has
already done it. And no Durant, no Booker, no Bill So,
Ryan Dunn, Olsoygadaro. We both like each of those guys,
Nick Richards bull bull like, there's just this is the
point five and it's an easy under for me. These
are role filling guys that low ceiling, you know. I
think Done and Nigodaro both could have and Richards will
be around for a long time. I just they're never
going to be like first, second, third, fourth options on
the teams that are on.
Speaker 1: Who do you think would have the best chance? It
feels like, oh so right, just kind of yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Switchable defender can make flo Raymond green, but less defense
case yeah, but better off like the floater falls, Like
that's a signature shot. I'm trying to think who that
even and now we're just talking about like a smaller
Hartenstein who just makes push shots. Yeah, and I mean
I guess at Gadaro Done is just like the offense
even if even if Done is a really good three
point shooter, then you're just talking about like a wing
that you put on a good team that it stands
in the corner, Like that's that's not going to do it.
Speaker 1: What about their twenty thirty one pick? Would you just
smash the over? Well?
Speaker 2: Great? Is that pick in right now? Is it like seventh?
Speaker 1: Next team is the Portland Trailblazers. I think this is
one of the more interesting teams. So you have Scoot,
you have Donovan Klingen, you have Shadon Sharp, you have
Tamati Kamara. You can mention Denny Avdya as well. Please
don't mention DeAndre Ayton, I would hope anyway, What do
you think is the let's start here? What do you
think is the right line?
Speaker 2: I think it's one and a half because there's nobody
that's a lock or anything close to it, but there's
like a half dozen guys where you could talk yourself
into it. I think led by Scoot probably redemption tour
for Scoot.
Speaker 1: Lately he's three point shooting, passing defense, even just the
so like not this is just he's one of the
people where it just feels like because he's in Portland
and I know that we try not to treat the
league like this, but that people latched on to what
he was last year and even like the start of
this year, and it was just kind of written off.
Speaker 2: I mean yes, and in fairness, like it took. It
wasn't just last year, like he really was also not
good for a good chunk of the season.
Speaker 1: I just I.
Speaker 2: Paired with his draft profile, which obviously we've talked a
million times about like this guy's the best since whatever. Uh,
And now that you're actually seeing it with the three
point the three point shooting is like, that's that's a
big deal. Finishing better. That was another real issue with
him is like how is he just so bad on twoes?
So I think Scoot is the safest bet, but then
like Klingon might be an all defensive center and Sharp.
I don't know how far is Sharp from being Jalen
Green in a year like I there's Kamara, I don't
really see it, but like I don't know Anthony Simons
goes on a heater at some point or Danny Avvie
like there's there's there's enough like extra darts to throw
in addition to scoot that I like the over, even
if it's at one and a half, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To go over as well. What's weird, though, is I'm
starting to feel better about Donovan Klingon as my second
pick than Shade and Sharp. I don't know. So it
feels like because of his physical tool, Shade and Sharp
should be really good on defense and he does not.
And then the jumper is just when I watch it, okay,
like I like it, But then you gotta dig into
the efficiency and it's just never for super long periods
of time been hyper efficient. But then there's the self creation.
He's done a lot better as a self creating shot
maker this year. There's of course the rim pressure dominant Klingon.
Then you get into okay, but like, what is he
really like? He's just like he's a traditional big basically,
but he might just be so dominant if he's gonna play,
he might be so dominant defensively, is what I'm getting at.
If he plays enough minutes, it's not the like, I
don't know what is it, the Marcus Sool case, and
even he was like more of a playmaker in space
or that's not a good example.
Speaker 2: I think the name that came to mind because we
talked about him is like he's maybe like a Zubots
but also leads the league in blocks, like that kind
of thing where it's like the defense gets recognized because
in addition to just being positively impactful, he's getting he's
way up there in the the leader board for something
that we associate with defense.
Speaker 1: It couldn't it be. And this so here's I was,
here's a wild or I would say it's not wild,
it's believable. But just the stat on Donovan Klingen, so
among everyone who's played five hundred minutes this year, which
I think is over three hundred players, Clington is one
of three who clear the ninetieth percentile of rollman impact
and defensive field goal percentage allowed at the rim versus expectation.
The other two players are christophs Porzingis and Victor Webb Yama. Yeah,
and so those are completely different players from him. Whereas
league you could draw parallels between christophs and Wemby. Donovan
Clinton offensively is just not like them at all. But
if my point would be, if you're the Blazers and
you just have the league's best defense, that's probably Donovan
Clington's pass sort of the Rudy Gobert like path there.
I think that go Bear is probably more of a
versatile defender. But in terms of just rim protector, being
enormous and knowing how to leverage that enormity, Donald Clinton
could be dominant on that level. And I maybe it's
because I already know what his wheel is else is
going to be? That? Is that why I feel better
about him than Sharp? To be the the guy that
gets us over the top, I don't know, but I
think Sharp, conventionally speaking, is probably would be the one
that people gravitate towards. Is that's why he that's who
gets them pack?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think you're right to feel that way
because Clinging just based on his statistical profile and watching him,
it's like you can imagine what it would look like
if he you know, you can see the pathway like
we just like you just talked about with Sharp, you're
just like speculating on well, if this and this and
this developed, then he can be this. But it's still
I mean, it's just it's still pretty ball of clay
kind of situation for him. And you can be like,
he's a great athlete that seems to be able to score,
and like what does that? What does that turn into?
It's it's hard, too hard to say.
Speaker 1: Is there any sort of comp for someone like Tamani
Kamara that has been an All Star previously, because we're
he's averaging over thirty two minutes a game this season.
I just don't know what the scoring volumes because I
thought about again, different players like Andre Godala, but even
that is just like is he I didn't know what
the pathway is to him being a volume enough score
because if he was averaging right now, let's say he
was averaging sixteen points a game, I think you get
a lot more national attention because that dude is a
defensive terror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first name that came to mind, which and
even this fails because he was a better passer and
not as athletic I don't think, but like a younger
Nick Batoom where it's like he can just guard one
to four and just do what you need. Is smart
like that, like that kind of thing. But he's a
little he's a little different. Yeah, it's it's hard to
come up with a camp for him. Igodala is interesting.
I was just like just another level of athlete, though
it was a passer. Yeah right, we like the Blazers.
Speaker 1: We liked it. By the way, I don't know if
you've looked, but people are now finding that we posted
a clip from a podcast where I can't remember what
I thought. Oh, the Portland Trailblazers are secretly stacked because
we're talking about your depth. We got so much shit
for that. And look here they are ruining their lottery
are odds because they're too deep.
Speaker 2: Here they are screwing up because they're too good. Yeah,
good job, fellas, your Sacramento Kings. Uh, I'll take them.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Uh Keegan Murray, Devin Carter, Malik monk Kean Ellis, uh
Markel Foltz newly added. Got throw him in there.
Speaker 1: They got two top ten picks on this team. Let's go.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there's anybody else we should probably probably.
Speaker 1: Not, Uh, yes there is. You mentioned him previously.
Speaker 2: I forget Jake Laabia, Oh Jake, alright, it would have
been forgot about it. So this Carter, So this is
a point five. Uh, Carter is early enough, but I
Carter feels like a kind of a roll defense first
role guy. We've every got how many of those guys
that we talked about, is like, yeah, but probably not,
Like there's just so many.
Speaker 1: I think the fun or I don't know if it's
fun or if it's effective, it's one or the other.
Maybe it's just interesting what will be the analog for
what Devin Carter's supposed to be, which kind of feels
like a taller prime Patrick Beverley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like the shooting is a bigger part
of the package with him or what or like the
theory of his upside than it was.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things is when people not that
they're just watching him for the first time, but when
any like you see the clips of the Devin Carter
like Moonball threes where it's like he shoots, it goes
out of frame.
Speaker 2: I mean, this comes down really because you might have
said Malik Monk if the Kings hadn't so quickly gone
out and got another point guard, because he's like, well,
if he's just going to be a point guard, maybe
maybe he's on the ball enough to get the numbers.
Speaker 1: Well, who did they get just you're looking at Levine
and de Rosen or you were like factoring in faults.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm talking about faults. They specifically went out
and got a point guard, Like that's super limited, because
I don't think they love the idea of Monk being
a full time point guard.
Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you, so you're the
best option. Here is what you're getting at? Is Kegan Murray?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And time last year or actually, honestly this well, actually,
that's a good question. Do you think his stock was
highest when he was setting the rookie record for made
threes and two years ago or last year when we
all agreed, oh my god, this guy's a really good defender.
Speaker 1: I think it was last year because I believe you
could always envision the stuff he was doing as a shooter,
scaling to a smaller role but still having enough like
made buckets to oh, he's averaging nineteen points a game
and playing all defense level defense. That's his ticket into
the All Star Game, which, by the way, that's still
probably his ticket in the All Star Game. I just
think he has way more to offer offensively. It's clear
they're never gonna build the team in the image of
tapping into that though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is still him. He's already twenty four. Yeah,
it isn't about him. It's about the team that's around
him and the type of team that the Kings keep
seeming to want to build. That's just he's Is he
ever going to be more than a fourth op? Like,
you know, certainly not while he's on his rookie scale deal.
And then by the time he's on his second deal,
can they even like will they just say, like, why
are we gonna pay a fourth option thirty million a year?
And he'll be somewhere else and then maybe in a
proper role and then he's an All Star. So I
gotta go under. While acknowledging Keegan Murray would make this
much more difficult if he had ever been kind of
given a chance.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over because I tend to be maybe
a rationally high on Kiging Murray. But also I just
think we might be discounting the any given year Moleak
Monk just go like what if he's just averaging like
twenty points an eight assists a game next season or
something because Demart Rosen gets older, or they move off
of Martin Rozen to do something else, maybe addressed like
a defensive need. I'm not predicting it. I just in
my head, I'm gonna try and play with the Keig
Murray upside and then just like also, maybe Devin Carter
just sort of goes kaboom. And so I think there's
sort of enough like good vibe wild cards here that
I'm gonna take the over at point five.
Speaker 2: I love the faith you haven't in them. If they
if the Kings would move on from Levine or DeRozan, which.
Speaker 1: They I think Derozen would be the one where it's
because I think Levine is more comfortable working off the ball,
so he moved off Derozen. Like then maybe it gets
super interesting for Oh, could Monk or maybe a Murray
or a Carter just pop.
Speaker 2: The thing is though, like if this team has all stars,
it'll be Levine and or Sabonis. And then so how
are the King I guess like you're then you're taking
the long the long lens basically and saying those guys
will be gone and then and then maybe that makes
that might make Carter the pick is just like he's
on his rookie deal and might be here the longest
and outlast everybody that's ahead of him.
Speaker 1: And also Derozen might only be here for another year. Yeah,
because that second years, third year, excuse me, he's not
fully guaranteed, but it's mostly guaranteed. They could move him
those in expiring it just even Zach Lvine only has
two more years left on his deal. But who do
you view as the more transient piece?
Speaker 2: I guess but Dan, I think.
Speaker 1: And then like between Monk and Levin, who would you
consider the more transient Kings player?
Speaker 2: I think that's a good question. I think probably Monk just.
Speaker 1: Because like teams are really gonna if you wanted to
make a bigger trade as the Kings, his contract, his
age right, just gonna want him. Yeah, that's fair. I'll
take the over. Still, though, we're onto the San Antonio
Spurs and they're somewhat fascinating. They have Devin Vessel, Steph Castle,
Jeremy Sohen and then of course I think this is
the one who defines their over under of one point five.
Julian Champenny, I actually have their over under set at
point five. Do you think that's the right one for
this team?
Speaker 2: You could make the case for one point five because
I think for me, I'm in on Castle and I
would just take the over immediately on zo point five.
Speaker 1: Okay, can you talk me into Steph Castle being an
All Star then?
Speaker 2: So I think what he's established already is like a
level of athleticism, defensive potential, like physicality, like smarts that
I feel confident betting on.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: That turns into like, I think he has multiple pathways.
Like Fox being there is is like, well, I don't
think he's gonna be the point guard now, but he's
also young enough to where by the time Fox is thirty,
Castle is going to be twenty three, twenty four, So
like he could outlast Fox pretty easily if the Spurs,
you know, move move on from him or whatever. So
part of it's the runway. Part of it's just I
think he could be a really good wing. I think
he could be potentially a point guard. The shooting is
the swing skill, but like we've decided that both Thompson's
are like safe bets for that. So I just think
everything Castle has done so far, plus his youth, and
plus like the pretty core belief within the Spurs that
like he needs to be here for a long time,
just makes me feel really good about his All Star chances.
Speaker 1: I think what's anecdotally it feels like people are more
inclined to forgive. Let's use Amentos as the example, the
lack of shooting there for someone who can scale up
and play like wings and forwards. For sure, Castle may
be a wing, but it's most likely a stretch to
say that. Yeah, and I think that's going to work
against him because what then separates him from we were
equivocating on Jail and Suggs.
Speaker 2: I think Castle's a bigger, better athlete, has a way.
I just see more possibilities. I would concede though, like
Castle's like median outcome is not an All Star, So
I'm betting on like because I think the distance between
his floor and ceiling depending on the shot is like enormous,
So I'm just betting. I'm betting the ceiling while acknowledging
the floor is like, oh, he's never gonna sniff an
All Star Game.
Speaker 1: I will say I do have I was a little
bit concerned about what he would look like in the
Diaron Fox era now, but just like the way that
you can because he's big and athletic, like and because
of what Wemby does, Like you have him screen for Wemby,
he's like that's kind of an out all the time too.
Speaker 2: He's got such sorry, he's got such a good feel
for a guy that's that athletic where it's just like
he's it just makes me think he's gonna figure it out,
and I know feel is like what what does that mean?
It's I don't know. I watch him move around the
floor and he like has a has a plan and
like knows what he's doing and like thinks the game
like processes pretty quickly for his age. Like if you're
if you can do that and you're kind of like
athletically unlimited, I just I'm gonna buy. I just think
the potential is super high.
Speaker 1: I'm going over as well. But Devin Vessel is the
driving force for me, especially if the spurs idea long
term even if you don't think that they're clearly not
a finished product. But even if you don't think that
darn Fox is here forever. The fact that they gravitated
towards him makes me think they don't view Steph Castle
as a future point guard. I mean maybe maybe they do, yeah,
But and so I think if you're looking at okay,
this All Star needs to come from someone who's better
suited to make that impact as a third option. It
feels like Devin Vassell, who's like sort of this cross
between Devin Booker Chris Middleton to me, and that would
be the type of guy I think can shine through
enough to be an All Star, will also being the
third best player and Steph Castle, And maybe that just
speaks to we don't evaluate defense closely enough or evaluate
it highly enough, but we're both going over. I just
have more confidence in Bissell having the even though he's older,
further in his career, I have more confidence in him
having the All Star upside.
Speaker 2: I think the Vissell's role is like so clear, it's
so much easier than it is for Castle. Like a
few things Castle has to like change and or like
the situation has to change a little bit. I think
for him to really have a that's so I understand
why you go Vissel.
Speaker 1: If he ends up shooting with Devin Vessell. Shoot, let's
even say I'm lesser violing. But like, if there's a
season where Steph Castle's taking four to three is a
game and knocking him down at like thirty six percent,
Oh that's the then the pathway, Okay, that's the pathway
right then then he.
Speaker 2: Then it's not a question of like, oh can he
play with Fox, It's like what do we do with
the cell? Like then it's like that's his role that
he's taking.
Speaker 1: He plays small because we's seven play all three for sure.
Our next team is your team, and it is the
Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 2: Interesting team here, You've got R. J. Barrett, Imanuel Quickly,
Grady Dick, Jacobe Walter O chaiag Baji Yaka Pearle ingram
Are obviously has made one. Scottie Barnes has made one,
which I totally forgot about before looking it up. For
this this is a point five and I think I'm
leaning under and the one that's giving me the most
like yeah, me, well, it's kind of a tie. I
don't think Barrett's going to be an All Star. I
also don't know how much sense Barrett makes on this team.
Long term now with Ingram, So between Quickly and Grady Dick,
they're like some legitimate possibilities there. Would you would you
include Walter or anybody else in that group? Or do
you feel differently about Barrett than I do?
Speaker 1: I just these all just feel like stabs in the dark,
Like like what if Yakka Pearl just had you could
vision been having a monster season there, like being a
double double guy or something, and then like averaging four.
I don't know for sis, I'm leaning under despite the
breadth of options here because I don't like the Scottie
Barnes Brandon Ingram. So, then what's the pathway I would
have gravitated initially towards Barrett or Manuel Quickly, But then
what's the pathway to either of those two necessarily being
one with both of these guys in Toronto. I will
say Jacoby Walter might have that type of upside. I've
seen some good defensive moments from him. He's definitely comfortable
creating chaos on the ball. I'm just like I feel,
if you're asking me, am I gonna go with Jacoby Walter,
who I've seen, or Nicola Topicch who we haven't seen
in the NBA, I would still like feel better about
a topitch. I'm gonna go under here, But there's the
case for them going over. I think is just doesn't
it feel like there's you could talk yourself into of
the list I gave you, even if you're trying to
play the pipe dream game, there's like, oh, there's like
three or four guys that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the shotgun approach. You've got a lot of
like your aim doesn't have to be very good, Like
there's just so many like non zero chances. I still
go under just because I do. I think I think
you said it like Barnes is going to be the
first All Star pick for this team, Ingram would be second,
and then like how good do the Raptors need to
be where we're talking about any of these guys as
a third All Star? And then it's like, well, other
than like I guess Grady Dick and Jacobe Walter are
young enough to where they could outlast the current All
Stars and be there, But I don't know. I don't
like those odds.
Speaker 1: And if you had to pick a player in the
vacuum that would be most likely to do it, I
feel like it would be a manual quickly.
Speaker 2: Still, that was my first thought. I think Grady Dick
is someone you'd have to consider though too, if like
because we've seen build as a shooter, but then we
had like this playmaking revelation over the summer and some
flashes of that to where I don't know what the
comp is for him, but like you could, the team
would have to be so different though for him to
have the kind of the size of the role that
he would need.
Speaker 1: I so I thought about, like, oh, Taya Boji for
a set in the vein of has there ever been
someone who is consistently mentioned in the like legitimately in
the All Star discussion that was strictly three and D
because like, if you can't go to Paul Georgia Kawhi,
like then you're adding like a ton of dimensions to
the game.
Speaker 2: Man, that's a I don't know, nobody like springs to mind.
I mean something you know, Like again, since we just
talked about Kyle Korverman an All Star game and that
was just three No, I don't. It's like I guess
like Sons Michale Bridges, but he hasn't been an All Star.
But that would be the type is it is?
Speaker 1: Is it rude to say Clay.
Speaker 2: No, that's actually I mean that's that's asking a lot
of agi to get that level of three, because I
think is probably a better defender, certainly against guards than
maybe Clay was outside of his first like three four years.
But yeah, that that's a good one. I've thought about
that because.
Speaker 1: Just like extreme. Yeah, I'm just trying to I mean,
I mean Ray Allen was an All Star.
Speaker 2: I mean that was all that was three and some
more offensive stuff more so than the D I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might scrolling through the list of Vince Carter
is not gonna qualify uh, Sean.
Speaker 2: Marion, I was mostly d that that three ball was.
Speaker 1: That was well for Akbaji. Then yeah, I'm not seeing
anyone else that's and then like we're talking, I mean,
we only needed to be a one off for this exercise,
but there's nobody that's like popping out to me. I
guess it could happen, but it's not something.
Speaker 2: I would somebody's gonna get in the comments and name
like five people that we should have thought of.
Speaker 1: Oh we're doing this off the coffel, though I am
looking at the list right now. I mean, yeah, I don't.
I mean, but there's some guys here that like made
it with no D so but they were more inventive
offensively so and this wasn't even specific to Akbashi. There's
just some people we've come across through this exercise that
made me think we worshiped these three and D guys.
But how many of them, like while staying three and
D like sort of in that I don't like not
being pigeonhole there, but staying within that box.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean we like those guys because of
how they can fit around, Like whoever your two high
usage stars are. You know, it's not not because the
three three the three and D guy doesn't like make
the team. He sort of completes it so so and
so like that those guys just almost by their nature
are like fungible because it's not like you know what
I mean, Like that's just the role that guys who
are not going to be on the ball need to fill.
And the whole trick of the building a good roster
is like figuring out who's going to be on the ball.
Speaker 1: And I guess also in the modern era, where it
feels like there's this vast appreciation for those types of players.
This would be like, I don't know if we're maybe
graduating from that type of discussion, but this does feel
like maybe it could happen more commonly, or at least
have a better chance of happening at all because of
the way we value those types of players. Now, our
next team is my team, and it is the Utah Jazz.
I don't know if this is upsetting or not, but
so the over unders point five Keyante George Isaiah Collier,
Walker Kessler, Telen Hendrix. I'm still ultra high on Cody Williams,
number one of my big Board grant. I don't write
off rookies, but if you were, But if you did,
who would you be more inclined to write off? Salon
or Cody Williams?
Speaker 2: Probably Salon because I just don't know what the theory
is of him, which is saying something because Cody Williams
has been capital.
Speaker 1: Be bad, capital L for low volume, but also some
other stuff here and then I was trying to think
of just of the more established players who would be
I think it's Colin Sexton would be most likely of them,
between like Collins, I can't really get there, and Jordan Clarkson,
So I included Colin Sexton here. Yeah, it's point five.
What are you going with? Over or under?
Speaker 2: I think I think it might surprise you that I'm
gonna go over Cayle Philipowski. That twenty something last night
is another one about so it's mostly George, And so
I was I was doing something else about George and
like the knock I mean, they're playing a Knox, but
he's had some high moments, but it's under like thirty
around thirty nine percent from the field and just under
thirty four from three over his first two years, and
it's like, oh my god, like you can't have an
on ball guy that is at that level. It turns
out like if you get if you play enough to
accumulate those numbers in your first couple of years like
you're doing, and there's there's enough about you independent of
your scoring efficiency to like justify that. Now. I don't
know how to divorce that from like the specific team
context of Utah, which is like we're trying to lose,
so we're gonna play a guy like that. But there's
something like ten players that have played their first two
years and shot at as much as George has at
the percentages he has, which is say, like really bad.
And it's like Jason Kidd, Mookie Blaylock, like there's a
couple like real names that are there along with your life.
Immanuel Moodier's Cole Anthony is another one. So if you've
been that inefficient but played as much as George has,
there's like it's like a coin flip that you'll either
you might be really good. It's kind of like point
guards that are rookies that have super high turnover totals.
It's like, well, those guys all end up in the
Hall of Fame, like just because they had the ball
that much as a rookie, so they must have had something.
So George is the one that I could see the
upside with. And then it's the Toronto thing where it's
like there's enough dudes here where, like maybe Kessler wins
Defensive Player of the Year and as an All Star,
like maybe Hendricks once he's healthy, really is the stretch
forward that defends everybody. So there's enough in addition to
George that I feel like point five I can I
can fairly comfortably go over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. I think the
player I'm highest on long term for this team, even
with the injury, is still Taylor Hendricks as just a
pathway of being kind of honestly, I would take the
player Jaron Jackson Junior is now where I really think
there's a chance to be more dynamic offensively. And even
if he's the Jaron Jackson junior of let's say not
the past two seasons, that player could still technically make
him All Star Game. And then you mentioned all the
stuff with George, even with Kessler, I think you could
also kind of I met. I made a joke before
about Collier having just get you fired or promoted greatness.
He kind of does. I mean, like he's just he's
all over the place. He's probably like most likely in
the league to shoot an air ball layup. But it's
just there's a frenetic to the way he plays. And
when you start to like really dig into it, grant
of rookies who have played a ton of minutes and
then you're looking at like looking at just their assist
totals or their ability to get assists. So his assists
rate is over thirty four for a rookie, which is
just insane. So if you look at all the rookies
who have played at least a thousand minutes and had
an assist rate a north of thirty. Like, it's not
like it's a bunch of dudes, but it's sixty of them,
and just some of the names that up. Okay, there's
Mesitch and Giddy, but there's also LaMelo, Ball, Jodurant, John Morant,
Luka Dancic, Trey Young, Ben Simmons. But then there's also
Tyler Eulis and TJ McConnell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like the George thing. It's like
there's a there's a real low floor with but there's
like a real high ceiling for some of those numbers.
Speaker 1: So if he could get more efficient as a score,
like there's because the stuff he could do in the lane,
or will he become a good shooter, I don't know.
I just think I'm going over, not primarily because of him,
but when you're kind of talking about the stabs in
the dark or stepping out on these limbs, there's enough
of them. But I think like Isaiah Collier four falls
into that and he was you know, everyone knows it
wasn't he like first in his recruiting rank at one
point was.
Speaker 2: He was top five?
Speaker 1: I think he was.
Speaker 2: I think he was second. But oh yeah, like that
doesn't just disappear in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: So I again not predicting it. But when I like
Taylor Hendricks a lot, I like Keante George too. And
also I don't feel this way I want to make
it clear about Collier, but you watch the aesthetics of
George's game, there's like a poison control for Keyote George
that makes me think, oh, this could be like someone
who hits some pull ups, and then it is also
a really good game manager. Yeah, I see the pathway there.
So the eye tests you don't necessarily get that with
Collier consistently because he could be like one of the
most detrimental players in the league for any given moment too.
But boom or bus baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's way too early to call it on
Cody Williams, Like if the if the problem you have
with him is that like he's passive, well, okay, that's
different than like, oh my god, he's unskilled or oh
my god, he like can't do anything. It's like he's
just like choosing not to do anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's kind of a weird problem to have, but it's
not fatal.
Speaker 1: Where would you take him? But I don't need an
actual pick because like if you were to redraft, would
you still take him in the first round.
Speaker 2: I mean of this past draft, probably oh yeah, in
the first round. Yeah yeah, okay, because because everything you
thought about him, all the upside you saw is still there.
It's like you can't it's it's still if he Now,
if he gets through year two and we feel no different,
then you have to reevaluate. But like I'm not, it's
just it's a cop out, I guess, But it's just
too early.
Speaker 1: And nothing like Colin Sex didn't just have a year
where he's averaging twenty five on this team, Like he
could average like twenty five points if they played him enough, maybe.
Speaker 2: Could as sure, of course, yeah he absolutely could.
Speaker 1: Our final team is your team, and it's the Washington.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Okay, so the Wizards. Basically, it just you
should have just put entire roster, I guess. Although Chris
Middleston's on it now, so he's he's made it. Alex
aar Bla cool Bali bub Carrington, Keishon.
Speaker 1: George Jordan Poole Jordan Poole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we're gonna talk
about Colin Sexton and we gotta talk about Jordan Poole.
Jared Butler would have made this list, but he's still
Cory Kispert, who knows there could be a leap in there.
This is at one and a half, and it's so
many of these guys fall into the thing we're just
talking about with George and Collier on the Jazz where
if you've played enough as a rookie to rate in
some of these like cherry picked groups of guys that
are like the worst to ever this, or like the
highest turnover that, or like it's almost good just you
know what I mean, It doesn't it's not like a
deathnell for your career. So Sar being like a sub
forty percent shooter over the sample that he's played, and
like Bob Carrington being just the I don't know, is
he's still like dead last in EPM. That's all. It
just shows that they're playing a lot, which again it's
the Wizards and they're trying to lose. So I don't
know which way that cuts one and a half. Dan,
I'm going under while acknowledging that cool Bali is still
one of my favorite young players in the league, and Sar,
at least lately. We talked about him a little bit
a few weeks ago, like I get it now, like
I understand the theory of SAR. If it were point five,
it'd being over. I just I don't know. I'm not
confident enough that we're gonna get two.
Speaker 1: So I look at as much as I love Koula Bali,
I look at Sars the given for me and this
is you mentioned cherry picked, and this is cherry picked.
But the baseline feels so modest that when I saw
the results, I was like, oh, so here's everybody. This
isn't rookies, grant, this is just anyone to average three assists,
one made three and two blocks per thirty six minutes
as the benchmarks at least hitting those Victor Wimen Yama,
Chet Holmgren, Joelle Embiid, Anthony Davis, and Marcus Sohl. And
so I looked at that, I was like, oh, and like,
he's gotten more efficient even around the basket too. And
we even when he was at his worst or his adear,
we kind of understood the theory of him on defense,
so I almost look at him as a given. And
so then it comes down to how much do you
like these younger guys. I love Koula Bali, but I
also do sort of feel that offensively there's a really
low floor there if you're not gonna use him properly
or force him to engage in the volume. But I
really like bubbcare Rington too. Like that is, I know
people kind of bemoan the rim pressure or lack thereof.
I mean, I don't care, like there's just that guy
can manage the game, get to his spots, hit pull ups,
and I think just based off his size, he's gonna
end up being somewhat good Defensively. I'm gonna take the
over here. I don't feel great about, Like if you
ranked all the overs we took, I don't know how
good I would feel relative to that. But I'm gonna
because I believe in Alex Sar, I'm gonna make the
bet on Koulabali or Carrington specifically making an All Star
Game before their careers are over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just fall in the middle where
I like Sar and Kouli Bali. I think one of
them will make an All Star game, and I don't
know who it is, and I I just saying both.
I guess Carrington is the wild card here because like then,
it's just well, there's like, can two out of the
three do it? It's really tough, great line, really really
really tough.
Speaker 1: Though. We did it all thirty teams in under two hours,
which anyone who's new around these parts, that's a capslock
accomplishment for this duo. Grant, do you have anything to
add about this exercise or are you ready to take
us out of here?
Speaker 2: I just want to reconsider. No, I think we should
probably call it.
Speaker 1: Well back to the Miami Heat.
Speaker 2: Discussion about Now, let's superverse alphabetical order. With all we've
learned and started up.
Speaker 1: Let's see how much we forgot and see if we
did this reverse alphabetical order right now if our over
unders would line up with what our over unders just were.
Speaker 2: No chance. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Please remember,
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Star break I know I will, and the shouts Frank
Mila Keina, who got to mention this episode several mentions
inorganically because he was relative All Star conversation.
Speaker 1: How is he not going to get mentioned?
Speaker 2: An apologies to Jared Allen, who we pointed out has
been an All Star