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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am Dampa Valley coming

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at you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Rand Hughes.

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We're going to talk about future NBA All Stars for

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every team. The concept here is we came up with

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over unders for how many future All Stars so they

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could have made an All Star Game already through twenty

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twenty five? How many future All Stars are already on

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this roster, And we're just gonna go over or under

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on it and see which teams. You know, most of

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them are gonna be at point five just because having

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what all stars? Really who's not already been an All Star?

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Really fucking hard? Surprise surprise. Uh. I think it's gonna

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be enjoyable. I'm excited to do this one. But Grant,

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how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to stun you with some Jonathan Kaminga propaganda.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you're prepared for Warriors over under a

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negative point five.

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Speaker 2: I just this Quentin post erasure will not stand.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget about Gie Santos either.

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Speaker 2: So there ere point five? Was that the number you

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gave for them?

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Speaker 1: That's probably Joe la Cub's number. We got Santos and

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posts and Kaminga and pods and moody easy. What did

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you think about this exercise as you were going through it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's uh, it kind of

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forces you to, you know, get past the like surface

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level of like, yeah, I like that young player or

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I'm not sure to like we have to like kind

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of say flat out, like is this guy gonna be

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an All Star or not? In a lot of cases,

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and it does force you to kind of think, I

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don't know, more objectively and more like rationally about players

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that you just kind of like, you know, like we'll

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get to several of them, because that's kind of what

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this whole exercise is going to be populated by is

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young basically young players that we enjoy, but we're gonna

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have to kind of like put our money where our

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mouth is. So I'm excited to to like hammer out

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some some like hard lines on a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 1: This would be one might be one that we need

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to revisit like a year or two down the line.

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Speaker 2: Just to see how just unerringly correct we were throughout it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I was. That's like with our

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regrades when we're really not regrading anything is our first

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grades were spot on, and when we regrade it can

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be the same thing. The only note I have for

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anyone watching on YouTube, we went with a minimum of

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four names per team graphic. There are so many stretches here,

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but just having at least four for each team, like

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the aesthetics of it just looked fine. So when you see,

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you know, Frank Neila Keina on everyone's graphic, who we

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couldn't get the four on, we just assume they're going

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to sign him at some point and that he will

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make an All Star game.

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Speaker 2: That that's very intentional.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get started, though, we will go dangerous

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because we're in charge of a grant alphabetically the Atlanta Hawks,

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mister Hughes, we have the over under and we can alternate.

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Hear set it them for zero point five future NBA

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All Stars. Who are the names before you go over

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under that receive consideration here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so really, just to start at the start, Jalen

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might be dispiriting for Hawks fans because they have a

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number one overall pick who's also in consideration here and

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just how Resa Che was builled right as like the

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ceiling is what it is, and he's going to be helpful.

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Nobody thinks he's going to be a star. So you've

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also got Dyson Daniels and Yeka kong Wu for me,

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that's kind of where the list ends. I don't know

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if there are any more like down you know, who knows.

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to say about him. But this this is Johnson for me,

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I think, and and like just to put a number

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on it, I'm not going to have these for every team,

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but like so eighteen ten and five for Johnson this year.

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His season's over played like thirty something games, also shot

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fifty percent from the field. There's only two other guys

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that have done that at age twenty three or younger,

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and it's Demona Sabonis who's got three All Star games

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and Yokich who has like eleveny million and will be

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an All Star forever. Very different player than either of

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those two guys, but just like the raw numbers like

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augur pretty well for Johnson to make an All Star Game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just bringing you to have a conversation about

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his availability. Sure at some point, and I'm not ready

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know if he's ever gonna be the go check, the

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primary guy and be really good at it. But you

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could would you prefer to if you had to pick

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between Dyson Daniels and Resiche, who would be the more

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likely future All Star for you?

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's resa Che, probably just because Daniels

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offense is gonna be just limited by his shooting and

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like his general approach to trying to score, which is better,

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but still just like he's not gonna have the numbers.

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might be better than Resche is down the line, just

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because he's maybe the best perimeter defender in the league.

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That's different than being an All Star though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so over under point five here, I'll go over.

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Speaker 2: I think between Johnson and like outside shots for resa Che,

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several years then and he's gonna be a three point shooter.

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Speaker 1: I'll go over as well. I'm more tempted to go

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under than I feel like I should be for a

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team that has j Allen Johnson and last year's number

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one overall pick. Though, yeah, next team.

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Speaker 2: Up, we got the Boston Celtics. This is also a

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zero point five over under. I mean, what what do

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you like? This is a look, this team already has

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its established All Stars. Derek White is kind of the

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only guy that you would imagine, you know, getting in,

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although if it were gonna happen, you'd think it would

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have happened last year. This year when it's like, we

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gotta get four Celtics in the All Star Game, and

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it hasn't happened yet. So this one, this one, I'm

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leaning under pretty hard on this one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under as well. But the argument to

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go over would be if you think this team is

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gonna maybe break up at some point, maybe even this summer,

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when you're looking at like just how they as they

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nowavigate the second apron, He's not going to be one

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of the guys that I would think they're getting rid of,

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and so his role could then increase, and then he

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he did these past two years because oh, like even

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now the counting stats look fine, but like if he's

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all of a sudden averaging like twenty plus points a

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game or something like that, would it make it easier

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for media members and coaches to throw him in there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible. Is Derek White thirty though, I'm pretty

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sure he's already I should have had that up.

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Speaker 1: But are we age shaming here?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just we're we're career trajectory shaming, which is like,

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how many guys make it to thirty without making an

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All Star Game? And then just I mean not everyone's

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Norm Powell Dan that just suddenly become awesome at some

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point in their thirties.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, he will be thirty one, by the way,

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but he is He's the old like Peyton Pritchard, bell

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or Shireman Sam how he's just the only outside shot

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that they have.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Our next team is the Brooklyn Nets. They are also

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set Grant at point five that although, well, let's go

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through the primary names here. There's Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas,

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Nick Claxton been spearheading kind of a nice little defensive

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revival for Brooklyn too. Dark Whitehead was just viewed as

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this like super high upside place you could throw him in.

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There is there Noah Clowney, Are you inclined? Let's see

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what would you're over under be he? Are you going?

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I'm assuming you're going under here?

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Speaker 2: I think you gotta. I think you can make some

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fringe cases for a couple of these guys, like what

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if Cam Thomas stays fully healthy and average, is thirty

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a game on a decent NETS team? Like maybe, but

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Clowney because it's like, oh, there have been some flashes

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and he's young and who know, like he could just

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explode in his mid twenties, Like that's that's not off

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the table. But then you're just you're just going with like, well,

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the correct choice is the one we have the least

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information about, which is iffy.

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Speaker 1: And if they still did the center position designation for

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the All Star team, you might feel better about saying

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over here, because you could just envision, oh was classed

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in like the best big and it's like probably not.

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col Anthony Towns, I guess he would always be the

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default pick. But Mobile's coming up, so that's not maybe

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the best example. But if there was just this designated

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center position, because he's never gonna beat out, it'd be

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different if he beat out a bunch of center, he's

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not gonna beat a bunch of wings, and like forwards

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as well. So now if I included their twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: That would that would be the best odds that whoever

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Speaker 1: It would still be under for them because they're winning

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ninth pick, that's not gonna you're right right there.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a pretty clear under even

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if you were to you know, futch the criteria and say, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we've got Charlotte coming up, and so

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the main guys to think about here. LaMelo has already

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made one. Obviously, that's the thing you refer to all

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the time. Although it's like three years ago now, Brandon Miller,

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Mark Williams question mark because I don't know, like, is

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he going to be on this team? We'll see Miles

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Brandon Miller stat that might change your opinion a little bit.

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But are you leaning over or under?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: It's point five.

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Speaker 1: I'm going over because I am a believer in Brandon Miller.

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Speaker 2: I think you may be correct to do that. So

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thirteen so of the last just five seasons, like not

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including this one obviously because we don't know who will

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be on it, the last five sets of first team

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last five seasons, that's twenty five players. Thirteen of those

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guys have already made an All Star Game, which like,

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which is impressive because you're talking about guys with no

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more than five years of experience. So the earlier you

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go in that draft class list, it's like, well, of course,

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guys in their second year, third year are not going

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to be expected to make All Stars. That half of

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them more than half have already done. It budes really

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guy last year averaging twenty plus. Like, is that wing

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type that everybody likes. I mean, if they trade LaMelo

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and it just becomes his team, then the numbers will

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be there too. So I like the over as well.

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seems super high energy. I mean, just don't know what

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team point five future All Stars. They have Kobe White,

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they have Modus Buzzellis, they have Io de soun Mu,

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they have Josh Giddy, they have Patrick Williams. He needs

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to know like that they have their own pick too.

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If you want to throw their draft pick in there,

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are you going over or under? Here?

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Speaker 2: This is a hard one. Bizillis is a lot of

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fun and has had a lot of highlights. Had that

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ten for ten game superth I could see him. So

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let's say he's like, oh, he's like got a twenty

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five percent chance or something, or maybe it's higher than that.

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It's too early to say. Kobe White is like the

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swing guy here. He'll be twenty five basically by the

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time this podcast airs, because he's a couple days away

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from his birthday, Like does he have another little bump

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in level? And like can he be assuming he's on

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the Bulls at some point? That's the other thing is like,

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you know, we've talked ad nauseum about like they probably

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can't extend him because he's gonna hit under strict free

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agency because his current number is too low. If you

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could tell, if you guaranteed me that Kobe White was

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gonna be with the Bulls, I'd be pretty tempted to

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go over. But I think I'm gonna lean under. And

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that's with all due respect to Bizellis, who just I

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can't make a decision yet on him as a player

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based on half of the season.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over because the Kobe White swing I

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think helps me go over. But this is really to

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me about modest Buzellis, who is just like that dude

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can play and I know everyone's probably seen the highlight dunks,

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but like the stuff he can do on his drives,

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there's like physicality, there's finesse. He shot the three ball

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fairly well this year too. He's done. I think he's

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made some excellent defensive plays on a bunch of possessions,

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especially as like kind of a help side guy. I

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don't know what that translates into necessarily, but this is

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basically what He's six ' ten and he kind of

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plays like a wing on offense but can defend like

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a big on defense a lot of the time. So

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I think there's real upside there. I almost I'm inclined

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to go under because it's Chicago, but I really like Bizillis,

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wait now, way more than I did him coming into

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the draft. Which if he was able to kind of

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shake that and be on the bulls, then who's to say,

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what's gonna happen over the next like five or six years.

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Speaker 2: And why wouldn't you trust in the player development system

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that's gotten so much out of Patrick Williams. You know, like,

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I think you're just really just betting on the right

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horse on that one.

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Speaker 1: Your team feels like it's gonna be a little bit

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easier to decide here.

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Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, so we're onto the Cleveland Cavaliers. One might

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consider never before made an All Star game, DeAndre Hunter,

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Isaaca korro ty Jerome Jalen Tyson, Like that's the thing

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that Jared Allen sneakily already been an All Star, Like

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that would have helped obviously, Mobiley Mitchell Garland of check

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that box. So we're talking about a rookie, and honestly, like,

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so this is the point five, I'm going under, and

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I assume you are too, But who is Hunter actually

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like the guy you'd give the best shot to of these,

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at least the four that were actually thinking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm gonna go under as well, obviously,

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but I think Jalen Tyson probably has the most likely

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chance just because that archetype of oh look what he

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can do with the ball in his hands, and if

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he's going to continue to improve on defense and trust

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him to work without the ball as like two, that'll

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go a long way. And it's just okay, the youngest,

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like the highest upside guy by default because we, I

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guess have the least information on him. You look at

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some of ty Jerome's per minute stats, though those might

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be backing presus three consider but he's twenty seven already.

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I can't Hunter's tough because I don't think he's ever

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gonna have the offensive agency in Cleveland that he did

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in Atlanta, even as he sort of reworked his his

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shot died in usage. And Jaleen Tyson specifically, that's someone

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who Kara Slimer has already gone and Tie Rome is

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gonna be a free agent like that. Could this could

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be someone who needs to play a role for them

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next season. I wouldn't prediction to make the All Star Game,

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but is he just he could be next in line

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as like a perimeter player there and I just think

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he would get more on ball reps than than Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing for the thing for Tyson is to

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really have a shot, he needs to outlast like at

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least one or two of the current like four All

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Stars that the Cavs have, because his role will never

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be close to big enough if maybe just say, like Mitchell,

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just one of Mitchell o'garland's got to be gone because

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like Mobiley and one of those guards is gonna make

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every All Star game for however, you know, the next

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five years or whatever, maybe three or four. So Tyson

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just has to like hold on. So he needs to

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be good enough to justify that. Like he's got to

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get his second contract in Cleveland for sure, and then

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like maybe even a third to get there. But yeah,

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I just go with Hunter. I'm going under I think

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I said that, but I would just go with Hunter

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because right now, the level he's playing at is like

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a pretty high level, and I'm not confident anybody else

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on the list could get there. That's not the same

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as saying Hunter will be an All Star. It's just like,

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I don't know he's close.

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Speaker 1: You earn your first aggregators. Grant Hughes Predictsandren twenty twenty

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six snubbed the All Star Honestly, this season probably would

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have been Hunter's best chance and he wasn't even considered

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so far.

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Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, can he do this again? That's the

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that's the million dollar question for him.

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Speaker 1: Next team up is the Dallas Mavericks. This is another

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point five over under. I he really only considered Derek Lively.

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I mean, I've been impressed with Max Christie since he's

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come over. But is there anyone else before we even

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get into our picks that you can bring yourself to

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meaningfully consider.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Omax has finally gotten some minutes since they

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have of Dallas's roster is injured, and and I just

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don't know what. I don't think the offensive game is

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going to be there at all for him. Washington's a

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role player, like, you know, supporting starter, Like I guess

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the question it is about Lively, Like is there is

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he the type of big like, so, what's the path

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for him to being an All Star? He's got to

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be like an All defense, you know Ruby.

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Speaker 1: Robert basically, isn't it got to be that good? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it helps that you just well that's

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the other thing is like will he always shoot seventy

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percent from the field now that Luca's gone? Because he

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did that his first two years, and like maybe the

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offense really suffers. Yeah, I think that's right. Is that

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he has to be like someone we talk about as

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defensive Player of the Year and be, you know, a

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double digit scorer on offense. But but like, yeah, the

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Gobert model, that's a high bar to clear. So I

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really love Lively. I think he's a winning player. I

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think he'll be on a lot of good teams. I

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would start him over I don't know all but maybe

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ten centers in the league, maybe not even that many.

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I just don't know if I gotta go under. I

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don't think he's like he's gonna be an All Star.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like his archetype is that, And now

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that they've gotten rid of the center position specifically, too,

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is just at an inherent disadvantage because there's let's let's

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view Anthony Davis as a five. It's just like, even

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he has all these sorts of on ball offensive skills,

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Derek Lively doesn't have a ton of that, Like he

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could do stuff as a passer. And it's just I

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keep going back to Rudy Gobert was a three time

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All Star, but for someone who's considered generational defender, it'll

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only be kind of a three time All It's just

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are these types of player like who is the like,

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who's a Jared Allen's made an All Star Game, but

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it's like who has consistently been that archetype of player

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and then made All Star games?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to be a center that doesn't I mean I

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was gonna say that doesn't stretch and score like he's

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got to be because I don't know what the odds

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are that he is like a defensive player that y're

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candidate decent, but like, how does he get to like

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eighteen points a game? Like I know that's not like

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we're better than that to say, like, well, that's the

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mark of a good player or not good players points

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per game, but like just the profile is hard to

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see for a guy like him, as I really do

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think without Luca too, just as like the best spoon

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feeder of a rim rolling center like that, that's going

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to change his outlook.

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Speaker 1: I think, well he could be like there's the DeAndre

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Jordan route. He averaged twelve point seven points per game

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when he made an All Star Game in twenty sixteen seventeen.

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I think that was so like and he like that's

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almost why I want to go over because couldn't you

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just lightning at a bottle that year. Maybe there's other

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people injured he's he will be part. I assume he was.

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He made I think your early season All Defense team,

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Like yeah, I really like I.

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Speaker 2: Think as we're talking about it, just I don't know

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the numbers so low, like there might be someone I

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don't know, like Jayden Hardy like this, you know, figures

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it out in a couple of years or plays a

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lot or whatever. But it's just it's hard to get.

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I mean, Daniel Gafford aligns more closely out for several

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weeks now with the injury, but knee injury, Like he

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feels more like DeAndre Jordan type to me than Lively does.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was just using that as he doesn't necessarily

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need to score. But your point about Luca being gone,

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and so at this point, as Derek Lively is, so,

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here are two things that actually I guess three things.

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Luca's gone, and then you brought an Anthony Davis to

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play beside him, which is kind of different than any

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other four that he's playing. And yeah, okay, some of

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these fours around him haven't been the best spacers. But

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like Anthony Davis, I think he's fantastic and he's been

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catching an unfair amount of shit because Nico Harrison lost

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his mind. But like, doesn't he have like perhaps the

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most inflated reputation as a jump shooter in NBA history

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because he had the season in the bubble where shots were.

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Speaker 2: Going in in that He's not a jump shooter at all.

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Speaker 1: He takes them like he will take them. They're just

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not He doesn't take a ton of threes obviously. But

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so now you add that element around him, and here's

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the other thing. Okay, you still have Kyrie as Derek

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Lively infury is supposed to be entering his prime, Like

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is Kyrie gonna be retired on another team? Like Kyrie's

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getting older, and you don't have the air apparent who's

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gonna be like the primary driver of the offense that

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someone like Derek Lively will always be dependent on. I

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hate saying this, but I'm gonna go under. If Luca

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was still on this team, I'm not trying to stick

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the knife deeper. I probably would have taken the.

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Speaker 2: Over well, right because to your DeAndre Jordan point, Chris

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Paul's throwing those lobs like there's no chance Deonder Jordan's

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everyone all start without Chris Paul. I think that's a

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good corollary for this one.

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Speaker 1: Who's our next team, mister Hughes.

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Speaker 2: We got the Denver Nuggets coming up next. This is

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I mean, Jamal Murray is just sitting there coming off

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fifty five, like staring us in the face. There's also

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Michael Porter Junior, Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown, Peyton Watson. Kind

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of a grab bag here of established guys and young players.

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So this is also a point five.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think I go over and I think it's just

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Murray because if Murray we're playing, you know, like he

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has over the last handful of weeks, you know, from

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the start of the season, he might have made it

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this year. And so I think, say that, though, what's that?

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Speaker 1: How many times are we gonna have that again?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, the durability is there, obviously, that's an issue.

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I mean, isn't he though? Does he have the crown

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of best player to never make an All Star Game?

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Now Mike Conley gave that up. I mean, he's on

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the very very short list of that of that group,

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it's like he just needs one. I think he's still

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like he's not young, young, but like he's got enough

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decent years left or like maybe close to this level

473
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,799
to where I have enough faith in his odds of

474
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,319
being like a pretty good pick, and then just the

475
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,000
rest of the grab bag, like maybe getting one at

476
00:21:58,039 --> 00:21:59,920
some point, I feel like I feel pretty good about

477
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,279
the over at point five here.

478
00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: I'll take point five, and Murray's doing a good amount

479
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,319
of the heavy lifting. But as you just said before,

480
00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:09,160
we've had this like some version of a conversation woll

481
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,279
if he just played like this all the time, it's

482
00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:13,000
how many times are we gonna do that? But I

483
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,240
also the two names that stand out here to me,

484
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,599
it just wouldn't shock me if Peyton Watson because of

485
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,079
the role that he's in right now, if he ended

486
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,960
up having like some sort of the Larry Market in

487
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,400
late career leap, if they changed his roller. He's on

488
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,160
a different team, so there's upside there. And Michael Porter Junior,

489
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,519
if if we're talking about just envisioning a tenured player,

490
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,519
like couldn't he in theory just be a season where

491
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:36,680
he's averaging like twenty six or twenty seven points per

492
00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:39,440
game and that would definitely get him in. And he's

493
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,440
such a good three point shooter that he doesn't necessarily

494
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,519
need the same number of shots to get there that

495
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,759
other players would. So I mean you talk about like

496
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,079
he's not the same player on defense, like kind of

497
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,119
the Klay Thompson mold, even Larry marketing, like the way

498
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,599
that he generates his offense, like to get some of

499
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,480
those gaudy numbers. And we've lately before MPJA had that

500
00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:00,480
hamstring injury, that's kind of what he is doing. And

501
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,440
so I think there's I actually get asked you, but

502
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,079
I guess you think point five is the right number

503
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,440
whether this should be one point five. I think point

504
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,000
five is the right number. I will go over.

505
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: I think it's the right number because just as you

506
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,319
were talking, it's kind of like, Okay, let's imagine the

507
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,759
scenario of MPJ being an All Star and then let's

508
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,039
imagine the one where Murray is. I think it's gonna

509
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,680
be one or the other, because there's not really I mean,

510
00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:23,200
like maybe one's gone at some point, you know, like

511
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,240
there's not enough to go around. I think I don't

512
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:28,200
think unless unless we have the Murray out for the season,

513
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,200
MPJ goes nuts or vice versa, Like I don't think

514
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,200
they can both play at that there's just not enough

515
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,000
you know, enough numbers there bubbled up by both or

516
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:39,839
if you well, if Yokic has gone, everyone on the

517
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,319
team gets way worse and we're not having It's under.

518
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: Onto the Detroit Pistons. Keg Cunningham is an All Star

519
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,599
this year, so he is not on this list. For

520
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,880
anyone wondering why he's excluded, they are another point five team,

521
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,319
primary considerations being Jade and Ivy Sar Thompson, Ron Holland,

522
00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:02,359
Jalen Duran. Who's the name that you sort of glom

523
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,440
mom to here.

524
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,839
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's a toss up between Thompson and Holland. And

525
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,200
I feel like I'm a bigger Ivy fan than most,

526
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,160
but I think those two guys. Thompson is just like

527
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,039
if he gets the minutes and he can be a

528
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:19,079
passable jump shooter, like that guy can do everything else,

529
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,599
just like we're we'll talk about his brother with the

530
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,839
rockets in a minute here. And then Holland. It falls

531
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,079
under the like you know, young enough enough upside enough

532
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,720
of a like mystery box that I can't rule it out,

533
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:36,880
which is inconsistent. I probably shouldn't have ruled out Bzellous

534
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,200
for the same reasons. But I mean I don't think Ivy, well,

535
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,920
Ivy's someone that like just might not be long for

536
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,200
this team potentially, So you're getting more bites at the

537
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,119
apple if you pick Thompson or Holland just because they'll

538
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,680
be under they'll be Pistons for longer, hypothetically. I like

539
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,279
the over here because all four of these guys that

540
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,319
we have listed have a shot at it, and I

541
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,160
think Thompson and Holland actually, like I feel pretty good

542
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,400
about betting on one of them.

543
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,279
Speaker 1: I really there was the what game was that I

544
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:07,799
think against the Sixers that Cade missed and we saw

545
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,359
a bunch of point Asar Thompson. Yeah, and he's had

546
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,400
like kind of a weird because of the blood clots,

547
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,200
how long it took him to come back, and then

548
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,480
just kind of the set up of the rosters role

549
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,680
as minutes. I like, not that I needed reminding him.

550
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,000
I still in on him, but it was just sort

551
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:24,319
of just like this reinforcement of Okay, like I know,

552
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,039
Ahmen's doing all these things, and it looks like he

553
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,640
clearly has the higher ceiling, but Usar Thompson like is

554
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:32,920
can be like just a great player and yes, there's

555
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,319
gonna be questions about the jump shot. He's the name

556
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,440
that I immediately get drawn to here as well. I

557
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,039
don't know how to I'm gonna go over. But I

558
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,799
don't feel as strongly about any of the other candidates

559
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:45,720
to where you're kind of looking as well, you're gonna

560
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,640
get another bite at the Allstar Apple with Ron Holland

561
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,240
or maybe Duran or even Ivy. I don't feel that

562
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,599
way about any and I just I can't get a

563
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,559
good feel for what I think Ron Holland is gonna be.

564
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,759
I think he's not good enough defensively and very limited offensively,

565
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,319
Like the passing is there, and I guess he's ever

566
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,319
gonna like you could say if he's ever gonna have

567
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,400
a consistent jump shot, but I have I don't know

568
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,240
if you've struggled at all the same way, like, I

569
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,839
see more of the and he's had more reps, so

570
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,759
I guess that's fair. But I see more of the

571
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,839
fury behind what Pikasar Thompson could look like even within

572
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,720
his limitations. I don't see that vision as well with

573
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,160
Ron Holland at the moment.

574
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: For sure, And that's partly just because he hasn't shown

575
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,119
us as much. We just haven't had the opportunity. I

576
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,400
do think taking the over here is a real vote

577
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,440
of confidence that the Pistons will be a very good

578
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,759
team soon, because we should assume Cunningham's gonna make several

579
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,519
more and we're saying they're gonna have two All Stars

580
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,119
like concurrently probably at some point in the next I

581
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,720
don't know, three, four, five years, which I feel good.

582
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:44,480
I think like they've got Asar Thompson. I think it's

583
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,440
he suffers from amn. Thompson has been the story this year,

584
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,720
and it's like we're almost like not allowed to celebrate

585
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,200
both of them at the same time. Like last year

586
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,599
a men Thompson had the ankle and a Star was

587
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,880
just guarding everybody and putting up these crazy block and

588
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,759
steel numbers. It was like, oh, he's the one, and

589
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,119
then the men took over this year and al Asaar

590
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,680
is kind of like they're both I don't know, like

591
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,079
I think it's almost just like I think they're both

592
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,960
gonna be great, and they might be great like very similarly,

593
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,000
which is kind of kind of weird and cool too.

594
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,480
I mean, they're twins, so I don't know what you

595
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,720
expect But yeah, I like Thompson a lot. I think

596
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:18,720
he's he makes me feel very good about the.

597
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,599
Speaker 1: Over I did say gave curse reconsideration to Isaiah Stewart,

598
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,359
Whereas just if someone convinced him to take threes and

599
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,960
not hesitate, and then he played more minutes in any

600
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,480
given season, it would be almost like the Brook Lopez

601
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,279
trajectory where even when he started shooting threes, he was

602
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,119
kind of hesitant, yeah, and then he started just getting

603
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,480
them up and just like, what would that look like

604
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,640
from Isaiah Stewart? And we know his value as a

605
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,279
defender of course, right, who's our next team?

606
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: Grant my team, your team, everyone's team. This is the

607
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,559
Golden State Warriors. Their number is also point five. Candidates

608
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,119
include Jonathan Kaminga who you might remember from back when

609
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,440
he used to play basketball like ten years ago, the

610
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,680
longest ankle injury recovery of all time, still out a Pajemski,

611
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,519
Quinton Post just a monster, a specialist, Guy Santos, real

612
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,200
fun inclusion by you on those last two. What do

613
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,519
you trying know? Moses Moody? What are we doing?

614
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,559
Speaker 1: Moses Moody would be my pick, but who if it

615
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,960
would there be a different Moses Moody would be third,

616
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,119
but like who would be the fourth, like to put

617
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,160
up on this screen.

618
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to think who would possibly be.

619
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,480
I don't think you could have a justifiable inclusion. But

620
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,599
they traded Lindy Waters, so that would have been the

621
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,400
right answer.

622
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: And TJ D is just vanished.

623
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,839
Speaker 2: He's such a mystery, Like he just that he rates

624
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,279
well by a lot of catch alls. The plus minus

625
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960
is bad generally, and like he'll make two or three

626
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920
plays a game, and like, ah, guy's athletic, like he

627
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,359
can really do stuff. He just it doesn't he doesn't

628
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,559
impact the game somehow positively. I think he's one of

629
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,880
those guys that like makes enough defensive mistakes and is

630
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,519
like just lacking in size enough to not really be

631
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,240
helpful anyway. Here's a coming of stat dan. He has

632
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,400
averaged twenty points, six boards, two assists per thirty six,

633
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,400
and shot fifty percent for his first four years of

634
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,960
his career. Among guys with those numbers who played two

635
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,839
hundred games. So none of these guys that like had

636
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,279
three good games over four years. Uh, eighteen of the

637
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,799
twenty three went on to be all Stars, So like,

638
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,640
if you can, if you can do what he's done,

639
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:28,400
statistically at this age, your odds are very, very like

640
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,480
overwhelmingly good that you're going to be an All Star.

641
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:32,279
And most of those guys are like first ballot Hall

642
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:35,440
of Famers. So what's the over underund future Hall of Famers?

643
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Is it point five?

644
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Here's my quiet follow up question. Where does he rank

645
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,599
in total minutes played on that list?

646
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,039
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't have it up anymore because it's like

647
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,359
Kareem and Tim Duncan, like you.

648
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:50,519
Speaker 1: Know, there's all these guys I went through like those

649
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,039
first like two hundred games or like first four years

650
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,559
of their career or whatever. If you if you he's

651
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,599
towards the bottom for sure, he's like in the in

652
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,559
the mid to late teens, I think in terms of

653
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,599
good that's so that's one good knock.

654
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,359
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I'm going over under yet.

655
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:03,599
Speaker 1: Either.

656
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,119
Speaker 2: That's one big knock is the availability. The other one

657
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,680
is like he's a restricted free agent. There's no guarantee

658
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,799
he's on the Warriors at this time next year, So

659
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,759
that rolls him out too.

660
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Well, this makes you feel better, but then I'm gonna

661
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,359
proceed to make you feel worse. If this makes you

662
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,920
feel better. I think he's still gonna be on the

663
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,839
Warriors because just to you can't let him go for

664
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,039
nothing and a sign in trade you run into base

665
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,960
year compensation issues. M hmm. I think they're just gonna

666
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,279
end up moving him by next year's deadline. He's redundant

667
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,079
to me with Jimmy Butler and Dre, maybe they end

668
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160
up moving Draymond. I just that if if they end

669
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,720
up moving Draymond, I'll just be floored, Like just as

670
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:40,319
the emotional component there, I'm going under here. I we've

671
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,039
disagreed on Kaminga and I. The numbers are what the

672
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,519
numbers are. He just feels like one point five dimensional

673
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,119
to me. I don't see it consistantly on defense, doesn't

674
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,559
have the rebounding numbers. There's sometimes he like throws these passes,

675
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:57,000
and even just the the shot generation feels very words

676
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,599
not vanilla. But it's just he's not he's not the

677
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,480
best point shooter, and it's just he's not going to

678
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,079
generate his own threes ever, and it's just aside from him,

679
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,720
like I don't want to say going in a straight line,

680
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,519
so he could do more than that. But just like, Okay,

681
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,720
he scores and he scores from like one and a

682
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,079
half levels. Yep, But I don't I don't see it.

683
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,839
But he is so young, and maybe he ends up

684
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,039
being in a bigger role for them, and that's how it,

685
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,000
you know, Pops, I guess I don't know.

686
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: I would say, not only have you and I disagreed

687
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,519
about him, I disagree with myself about him, like basically,

688
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,920
like on a rotating weekly kind of time setup where

689
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,279
I believe he'll be great, and then I'm convinced, beyond

690
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,000
a shadow of doubt that this guy just is not

691
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,480
like a winning player or a quality starter.

692
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: So you feel about this is so off topic, but like,

693
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,359
how do you feel about the idea of especially the

694
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,559
way that they've been running their lineups with Draymond and

695
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Jimmy on the court, How do you feel about those

696
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,359
two and him playing together? Like do you see it working? I?

697
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: I think the best the lineup I want to see

698
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:09,160
is base Steph Pajemski or Moody either one Kamingau, Butler Draymond.

699
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,759
The spacing concerns are real. Kaminga will shoot threes and

700
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,400
and we we were talking before we started recording like

701
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,000
Kaminga is as big of a three point threat as

702
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,519
the current version of Buddy Healed, So what's the difference, Like,

703
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,880
he could definitely be out there. I think so that

704
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,000
I don't know how to answer the question. I think

705
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,519
there are going to be like real fit issues with spacing, crunches,

706
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,759
all this other stuff. I think it's possible that the

707
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,720
athleticism and the slashing in conjunction with Butler and Steph

708
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,839
like gets pretty interesting. I just the lane might just

709
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,519
be two packed for it to matter. I think that

710
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,279
the way you go over here and just say Kaminga

711
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,480
will be an All Star is they will bring him back,

712
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,920
they'll keep him, and it's only going to be a

713
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440
couple of years before it's like he's the guy because

714
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:55,079
Steph will be gone, Draymond's gone, Jimmy's gone, or and

715
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,599
or they'll be in like dramatically reduced roles because they'll

716
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:59,319
all be like thirty nine years old, and you just

717
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240
that's not a viable way to go. So I think

718
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,240
certainly ownership views Kaminga and Kaminga views Kaminga as the

719
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,799
number one option on a team. There might just be

720
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240
a year or two where that's like actually the case,

721
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,079
and he gets the numbers and maybe finally because he

722
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,400
always plays better when he starts, always plays better when

723
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,079
his role is big. That's like a character knock frankly,

724
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,440
but it's it's also a fact.

725
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:22,759
Speaker 1: Uh so I'll go over.

726
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: Mostly it's Kaminga just having an outside shot at being

727
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,440
like a number one option, like within his next contract,

728
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,039
and I think that it might it might be possible.

729
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: No pathway for Pods, who's been shooting the hell out

730
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,039
of the ball since he returned from what he did,

731
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,119
like cut himself while trimming his goatee or something. What

732
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:42,240
was he with before?

733
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: I would say if if all stars were judged by

734
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,319
plus minus and or charges drawn, he would have a

735
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:49,920
great chance.

736
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,359
Speaker 1: But he's I feel like there if you if you

737
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,799
were gonna go over, which I'm not going to, I'm

738
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,839
gonna take the under heear I The more compelling case

739
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,720
for me is Kaminga and Pods both give you long shots,

740
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920
and that amounts to going over because Pods, I feel like,

741
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680
in any given year not the same level of defender.

742
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,599
Want to make that clear, could have like the Derek

743
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,519
White type case, like oh shit, the Warriors are first

744
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,000
in the West, and look at Pod's's plus minus. He's

745
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,280
filling up the box score across the board. He hit

746
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,679
his threes that year. So I but I'm still going

747
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,159
under here. I just don't the logic you late out

748
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,360
with Kamingo though, where it's okay if he lasts on

749
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,880
this team beyond because like Jimmy Cumming, I think even

750
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,639
without Andrew Wiggins there, that's just gonna inherently kind of

751
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,079
repress his role. But that is temporary.

752
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, so you're correct to go under. Let's

753
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,000
just set that out there. I'm going over just for funzies.

754
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: We're onto the Houston Rockets, so I we have them

755
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:48,199
set at two point five All Stars. That is the

756
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,639
highest one. I think it's the It's tied for the

757
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,400
highest on this list. You have. I'm and Thompson, Reed Shepherd,

758
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:59,440
Jabari Smith Junior, Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore, Tarry Easton my

759
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:00,800
missing any but Nate Williams.

760
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,199
Speaker 2: Nate Williams the other night look like an All Star.

761
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: Tell you that. So this is this is a lot

762
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,679
And like Shangun was an All Star this year, I'm

763
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,320
like almost, I don't know if I feel I'm and

764
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,880
Thompson is going to make an All Star Game at

765
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,320
some point. I feel pretty confident that I am still

766
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,280
read Shepherd pilled. That has not changed, even though he

767
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,360
hasn't played a ton this year and doesn't necessarily looked

768
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,920
great when he has played with the NBA club. But

769
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:29,840
I think he's gonna be an All Star. And so

770
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,880
it comes down, dude, for me, do you think that

771
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:37,079
Jabbari or Jalen Green or Cam whitmore specifically Eastan feels

772
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,639
like a stretch But he's just part of the young course.

773
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,639
So I threw him in there. Could they catch lightning

774
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:45,840
in a bottle? That's tough for me. I think I'm

775
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,280
inclined to go under so.

776
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:50,079
Speaker 2: Much like you're read Shepherd Pilled, which I would sort

777
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,480
of join you in, I'm Jabari Smith Pild and and

778
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,199
like in the in kind of a way that like,

779
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,599
I think he's gonna be a helpful guy, like a

780
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,639
good starter and like kind of an X factor on

781
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,400
a good version of this Rockets team. I don't know

782
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,800
if that's the same thing as being an All Star,

783
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,199
but Thompson's in Green is the swing guy for me

784
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,079
because I think there's a version of this Rockets team,

785
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:11,719
and we've seen quite a bit of it with Van

786
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,599
Fleet at where it's like he's got the ball a lot,

787
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,519
and you know, the hot and cold stretches are what

788
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,400
they are. He's honestly still young enough to where like

789
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,800
he might just become more consistent and he's a twenty

790
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,800
five per game guy with good efficiency, Like that's not

791
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,000
out of the question for me. Two and a half though,

792
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Like if we assume Thompson has it, we still need

793
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,679
two more. But so and you're really talking about Green,

794
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,519
Shepherd and Smith, two of those three guys gonna do it.

795
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,119
I think I have to go under if it's one

796
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:46,599
and a half. If it's one point five, I'm over one.

797
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:48,159
Speaker 1: And a half. Is that the better was two and

798
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,000
a half? Two? Because I looked at it as I

799
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:51,800
guess I just do reached out. I think he's like

800
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,639
a he's a default for me.

801
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: So I was looking at he's in he's in ink already.

802
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

803
00:36:58,159 --> 00:36:59,679
Speaker 2: I mean if it was one and a half, I

804
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:03,199
don't know that there's there's no realistic number between those two.

805
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:05,440
So maybe it's because you have to think harder about

806
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,639
two and a half. I think two and a half

807
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,400
is the right number. I'm just going under.

808
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,159
Speaker 1: Now. If it was two, it'd just be a push

809
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:12,320
for you. We're gonna go over.

810
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I just push. That's a lot of fun.

811
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Next team is yours. Who we got?

812
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: We got? Indy list includes Benedict Mathern, Jars Walker, Andrew Impard,

813
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,079
Miles Turner.

814
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,519
Speaker 1: Just by the way, I didn't have him on the

815
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,400
initial list because I could have sworn he made an

816
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,840
All Star Game. He did not.

817
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's a he's in the conversation with with

818
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,880
Jamal Murray and Derek White then as like best player

819
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,519
to not make an All Star Game. So I mean

820
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,159
Turner might not be on this team, probably will Walker

821
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,840
and Matherin, who knows. Man, it's by the way, I

822
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,920
didn't say that. Yeah, I'm going under. I just I don't.

823
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,719
I don't feel confident that any of these guys are

824
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,719
are going to be All Stars.

825
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm going under as well. Who is the one that

826
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,960
gives you the best chance of hitting me over? Though

827
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,400
drawn to Andrew nemhard because I think that I have

828
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,719
to see what he's gonna end up at as the

829
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,360
game's played. But he's an All defense candidate type of guy. Yeah,

830
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,760
he can just pop on offense. And so if he's

831
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,039
healthy for an entire year and he's playing all like

832
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,199
he's playing all defense level at one end and then

833
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,760
scoring like I don't know, fifteen points a game he's

834
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,199
at he's at under eleven, Now like that might be

835
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,880
I know, I think Bennetcmathern's probably like the highest upside play.

836
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,079
But they might look at and say, if there was

837
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,000
gonna be someone who one has the time, I think

838
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,280
Miles Turner, if he stays in Indie is just he's

839
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,719
getting older. Right, I would go with Andrew Nemhard.

840
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: I just don't Nimhard doesn't seem like because he is

841
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,239
a defense you know, defined by his defense to this point,

842
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,639
do you think there's enough sort of room for him

843
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,440
to be as big of an offensive contributor as you'd

844
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:05,320
like with you know, tal Yeah, if that's true. Right, Actually,

845
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,159
good point. How about this if it's if it's nem Hard,

846
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:11,119
it means Matherin's gone, And if it's Mathering, it means well,

847
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:12,719
I don't know what that means. That that's just hard

848
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,639
to see what the pacers that means. Alburton or if

849
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,599
you if we expanded it to like he doesn't have

850
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,280
to be a pacer when it happens. Mathering might be

851
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,480
my pick, just because I think he could go somewhere

852
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:26,880
and get like super high usage, like heavy minutes, and

853
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,960
just the numbers would would be there. I don't know, honestly,

854
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,079
I am leaning Turner, even though it's you know, he

855
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,760
might just be already on he is already kind of

856
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,639
on the back nine. I don't love any of them.

857
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:40,480
I guess I'll just say Turner to be different. But

858
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:41,800
I like your nem hard case.

859
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: We're onto the Los Angeles Clippers. Their primary options are

860
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:50,239
a Vita, Zoobots, Norman Powell, Kobe Brown, and then I

861
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,800
couldn't decide between Cam Christy or Trenton Flowers. I like,

862
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
I like the like Trenton Flowers is just body type,

863
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:58,599
So I just put through them in there. Uh the

864
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,599
over under his point five. I actually think this is

865
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:04,800
a little bit more interesting. I think most people we

866
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,159
know what they're gonna default to. But couldn't you kind

867
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:11,119
of see any given year like Zubots just getting it in,

868
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,000
or more so this year would have been the year

869
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,800
that would have been Norman Powell. Then you kind of

870
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,719
start to circle back to the West and it's my God,

871
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,199
like or like any of these dudes supposed to make it.

872
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,000
So I'm going under point five. But I think the

873
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,719
Norman Powell will each Zubats aspect, and I still kind

874
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,760
of just I don't know what it is, but like

875
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,719
I'm kind of smitten with Kobe Brown a little bit.

876
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,000
And so if there's just like five years down the line,

877
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,320
is he getting a shit ton of playing time? I

878
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,760
don't know, but I do think this is a this

879
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,960
is an under situation.

880
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: It's an under for me because I think what we

881
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,320
are watching right now, like is the year you're talking

882
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,199
about for both Al and Zubots, Like this is as

883
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,840
well as either of them. I think it will ever

884
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,360
play like that's just this is this is the apex

885
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,559
And maybe that means we're not choosing all stars correctly

886
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,400
because Zubots, I think, really does have a really good case.

887
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,039
In Powell. I think if we're picking today, are we

888
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:03,840
both Powell is most improved?

889
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's my most well, I will say he com

890
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,719
missed one more game. Oh, Trey Murphy's making it interesting.

891
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: Yes he is. Uh do you see the stat the

892
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,039
other day about his playmaking leap and forget the scoring

893
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:19,400
like Murphy's just now he's a great facilitator all of

894
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,000
a sudden, like that's that's exciting.

895
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,679
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, even more mind boggling that Brandon Ingram

896
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,239
was on this team for as long as he was,

897
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,760
because like Tray Murphy was showing those flashes like almost

898
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,960
from the jump. Yep.

899
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that'll be the Pelican section. Yeah, this is

900
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,840
an under I think Zubots and Powell as good as

901
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,559
they can be right now, which is very good, and

902
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:38,719
it wasn't enough this year.

903
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,519
Speaker 1: I think normOn Powell's most improved. I think Zubots is

904
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:45,239
still probably I won't say most, but like if you

905
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,920
were building an all NBA underappreciated team, for sure, he's

906
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,119
on first team for me because I don't even think

907
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,280
I picked him for my all You might have picked

908
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,840
him for one of your all defense squads. At the

909
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,800
halfway mark. I don't see really anyone mentioning him. The

910
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Dunker Spot mentioned him when they did, they mentioned everybody,

911
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,639
but those guys are thoroughays hell. But I just like,

912
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,119
if this you said it, if this, if it was

913
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,039
gonna happen, it would have been this year and the

914
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,239
fact that he can't even generate what feels like regular

915
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,760
all defense buzz yeah, globble that that ship is totally sailed.

916
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,119
Then well grant the Lakers, all.

917
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,559
Speaker 2: Right, So we got Austin Reeves, we got Dalon Connects.

918
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,000
I see what you did here? Yeah, Bryce James, that's

919
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,639
that's presumple. That's making some assumptions. Why isn't Brownie on here?

920
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,800
By the way, if you're gonna do that, Uh, we

921
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,920
have Rui and any big they get for Luca. Yeah.

922
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,760
Mark Williams might have been an All Star if you

923
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:41,440
if Luca just turns Jackson Hayes, well all Star. That's

924
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,119
the wild card in all this is like he's gonna

925
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:48,039
make all these guys better one some some way. Like So,

926
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:52,360
I don't know, maybe there's upsides to everybody Reeves is.

927
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,440
So this is the point five as well. If I

928
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,880
didn't say that Reeves is the interesting one here kind

929
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,480
of a So he's already twenty six, So it's like,

930
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:02,679
you know, I don't know how much upside there is.

931
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,199
And it's not like you can say, well, once Lebron's gone,

932
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,559
Reeves's usage will be through the roof, because now Luca's here,

933
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,519
so his usage will only ever be at like a

934
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:14,079
number two. Do you don't you think there's like a

935
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:19,360
hypothetical where Lebron's gone. Reeves really is like the one

936
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,840
A to Luca, and the Lakers are very good somehow,

937
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,639
mostly because lucas there and we got to give him two,

938
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,599
and Reeves is averaging like nineteen five and five and shooting,

939
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,920
you know, getting back to like his early career like

940
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,320
insane three point accuracy, like that's that's possible. But because

941
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,360
he's already late twenties, like I don't know, he might

942
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,880
start slipping, you know, in two years like that. That's

943
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,599
on the table too.

944
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to go under here. I just don't

945
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,480
His would almost be that Derek just to reference Derek

946
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:50,960
White again, or have to be sort of the Derek

947
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,880
White case, right.

948
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think I'm going under two Reeves. I

949
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,920
did have to think about Reeves. I'd really like him,

950
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,639
and I think there's like the scenario I laid out

951
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,280
is like semi plausible, but but it's got to be

952
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,800
an under because nobody else here has a shot other

953
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,960
than Bryce James. Of course.

954
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,119
Speaker 1: I think what you could also go with is that

955
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,559
because it's the Lakers. If they are good enough, there

956
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,679
will be this assumption they have to get to and

957
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,119
so on. The post lebron Era would be Luca and Reeves.

958
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:21,519
Like you said, my counter to that would just be, well,

959
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,920
they're just gonna get another star and free agency like

960
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:26,199
that star will be making the All Star Game as

961
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,239
they get too.

962
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,599
Speaker 2: In the made up future we're talking about, Reeves is

963
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,159
the third option, not the second, probably right.

964
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,199
Speaker 1: I think that's what would derail any case he has

965
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,239
so under from me as well, the Memphis Grizzlies, Desmond Baine,

966
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,639
Zach Edy, Gigi Jackson, Jayalen well Santi Aldama. Would you

967
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,360
include anybody else on that that list?

968
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:50,119
Speaker 2: I mean you're not. He wouldn't do Vince Williams, Scottie Pippen. Uh. Yeah,

969
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000
well I just traded Jake Lauravia, so he's out.

970
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,519
Speaker 1: I had them as a one point five over under.

971
00:44:58,599 --> 00:44:59,880
Do you think it needs to be lower than that?

972
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,639
Speaker 2: No, because I think we would both agree that Desmond

973
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,000
Bain has already played at an All Star level, and

974
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,920
he's kind of in that Derek White Jamal Murray my

975
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,400
bucket where it's like it's just you know, he's he's

976
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:13,880
been good enough. It's just you know, either it's been

977
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,880
an injury or not enough recognition. Like he so I

978
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,199
think he's a pretty solid given and he's gonna be

979
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,679
with the team he's got, you know, for I don't

980
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,320
know why they ever move on from him. So then

981
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,519
it's just like, so that's why one point five is right?

982
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,079
Speaker 1: Uh?

983
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 2: Then it's like, man, Wells doesn't seem like an all

984
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,280
star type kind of he's just like a winning player

985
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,360
that's gonna be a role guy Edie, I just don't

986
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,719
know how you get you know, the minutes, the numbers too,

987
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:44,960
Like what's the key does Edie have to? Like?

988
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: Well, he has the Brook Lopez case.

989
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,559
Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, that's interesting. I didn't think about that.

990
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,119
If he's just if he if the stretch is real, yeah,

991
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:53,119
then he's very different.

992
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you have to imagine that. Or are they

993
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,800
really gonna like split up the big man playing time

994
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,400
the way like it's it feels like they're at some

995
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,679
point not gonna have like four or five bigs. They'll

996
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,199
have just three and he should be able to play

997
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,360
the minutes there. I think I'm gonna be no, I

998
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,440
have to go under something. I think Edie it's Eatier

999
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:13,639
Jackson for me, because Jackson just feels like such a

1000
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,480
swing where it's he's kind of got like it feels

1001
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,239
like he's no, I shouldn't say this, that's like two extreme.

1002
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,440
That's more so like Isaiah Collier's destined for got you

1003
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:26,199
promoted or got you fired greatness, and like Gig Jackson is,

1004
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,079
I could see him getting someone promoted, but he's not

1005
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,480
gonna get you fired just because of where like the

1006
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,960
agency they give him and so, but he does feel

1007
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,920
like a super like in the vein of different players

1008
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,679
like Peyton Watson, where he's kind of doing the least

1009
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,800
when you look, not the least, but you have Christian

1010
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Brown ranked ahead of him right now, I still think

1011
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,840
he just might have more upside. And so I feel

1012
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,280
that way about Gigi Jackson relative to you know, Jalen

1013
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,679
Wells or Southie al Dama, guys who are doing more

1014
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,119
right now?

1015
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,039
Speaker 2: What do you think about Like we didn't talk about

1016
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,000
him much with the Rockets, but I think of Jackson

1017
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,119
kind of similarly to Cam Whitmore, where it's like you

1018
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,880
know there's something there. It definitely needs to be like

1019
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,519
fine tuned, but but you know the frame and the scoring,

1020
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,559
like the drive to score and the instincts and stuff,

1021
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,320
the athleticism like it's he looks when he when he

1022
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,000
walks on the floor for warm ups, It's like that

1023
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,920
guy looks like an all star. And then you see

1024
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,000
flashes in the game where it's like, yeah, that like

1025
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,280
just a big wing forward guy that can you know,

1026
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,199
out athlete A lot of players like wants to score,

1027
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,679
wants to shoot a lot like he definitely has like

1028
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,360
the makeup or the look I guess is maybe again

1029
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:29,920
the right word.

1030
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: So man, fuck it, I'm going over. I'm gonna be

1031
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,599
an optimist for a change.

1032
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,039
Speaker 2: I think I gotta go over to because I love

1033
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:43,599
the Edias brook Lopez theory that I hadn't really considered

1034
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,639
that we're putting a lot of stock in Desmond bine

1035
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,320
being a given, by the way, But but I think

1036
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,440
that's reasonable.

1037
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,599
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to over two point five, that

1038
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:51,679
makes our decision easier.

1039
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: No, that's too easy. Again, great line setting, because one

1040
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,880
point five was was tough.

1041
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: You aren't going to take us too to Miami Heat,

1042
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,480
all right, Colo, this is a point five khalel Ware

1043
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Jima Hakas Junior, Nicole Jovich Pella Larson, anybody else you'd

1044
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,760
even think about here? Like I thought, like what if

1045
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,920
just tyro Doar's year had one of those Charlotte years?

1046
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,039
Speaker 2: But do you want to talk about Terry rose Eer

1047
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:16,639
and betting odds?

1048
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: Though?

1049
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's a good idea?

1050
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,199
Speaker 1: Oh boy, sorry, he's probably listening to this pot or

1051
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,599
the people.

1052
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: That's just that's that's lazy. I'm ashamed of myself.

1053
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: He had. They didn't find any wrong doing with him specifically,

1054
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,920
And it's also it's an interesting case with him because

1055
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,280
he makes so much money that I don't understand why

1056
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,599
he in that business. So, uh maybe nothing untoward happened

1057
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:41,119
on his end, is what I would say.

1058
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,639
Speaker 2: Probably nothing untoward happened. Uh So I wonder what you

1059
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,760
think about this? Where is the guy that is giving

1060
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,559
me the hardest like time decision wise?

1061
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: Here?

1062
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,519
Speaker 2: He's looked really, really good once he's gotten like actual minutes.

1063
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: Did you see that he's the favorite to whin Rookie

1064
00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:57,840
of the Year.

1065
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,559
Speaker 2: Now, isn't that nuts? Like that that seems like too much,

1066
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:03,119
but like he it is.

1067
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,039
Speaker 1: Sort of just it just it's a harbinger of what

1068
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,159
this rookie class is though, where it's just we were

1069
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,159
I had Jared McCain number two, and he had played.

1070
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,599
Speaker 2: Like a month of the year, Like, how many more

1071
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:15,719
minutes is Castle gonna play than where by the end

1072
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,360
of the season, it's like gonna be several hundred, Like

1073
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:20,039
it might you know, it might be a thousand.

1074
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: It's just khal Well, yeah, but Khlil will probably end

1075
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,039
up playing more than Joel Embiid did. But like if

1076
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:25,800
you if it goes to someone who's just like the

1077
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,599
most outstanding rookie rather than waiting sample size retroactively, Joel

1078
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,400
Embiid third year Joel Embiide technically is gonna be bussed.

1079
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,639
Speaker 2: That's the other thing I mean, I I don't think

1080
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:39,440
yovic I would kind of rule out Larson as a

1081
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,800
role guy. To me, Hawkez is a really good role guy.

1082
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: Do you think here's my issue with khleio ware. Let's

1083
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,199
say you buy into the stretch, buy into the ball

1084
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,800
skills getting better, buy into him doing maybe some more

1085
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,599
I'll say, effectively like traditional big man stuff on defense.

1086
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Does it become a lot harder for him to make

1087
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,880
the All Star Games as long as Bam out of

1088
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,760
Bayo's there or no, Well.

1089
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And then and then you're like, well, how

1090
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,679
good is this heat front line? All of a sudden,

1091
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,159
if we've got too got I mean, well auto bio

1092
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,079
has had a rough year, But like, I guess it

1093
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:12,559
does make it harder. I think, I don't know what

1094
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,280
the flashes we've seen from where, and given his youth

1095
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,039
and his size, and if the stretch is like real

1096
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:21,440
at all at any kind of volume, I don't know.

1097
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,880
I think I'm tempted to go over and that's this

1098
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,920
is even a smaller like sample than a lot of rookies.

1099
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,840
I've kind of dismissed. I just I kind of like,

1100
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,960
I like what I've seen, get a feeling with with where,

1101
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,320
you know, if that makes any sense.

1102
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: There's also like, had we done this exercise at this

1103
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,320
point last year, wouldn't we have talked more about or

1104
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,280
at all about Haimi hawkas.

1105
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: We last year, we would have talked more about him,

1106
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,119
I think, But wasn't that the knock is like he's

1107
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,159
pretty fully formed. I don't know how much upside there is,

1108
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,360
like that that really was the wrap. So sometimes that

1109
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,320
turns out to be true.

1110
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to go under here. I don't I don't

1111
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,119
know if I also think for the player that khilwear is,

1112
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,360
if he's never like an ace defender, I think that's

1113
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,599
gonna work against him because people look at his prototype

1114
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,000
of player and say or assume that they need to

1115
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:09,079
be like really good on like not they're different players.

1116
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,800
But it's obi Toppin could average twenty five points a

1117
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,000
game is never gonna be an All Star.

1118
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, well, now just watch Yovich go full Lurry

1119
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,400
Markin in the next couple of years, and we will.

1120
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,039
Speaker 1: Hel Larson's coming baby. Then when Drew Smith gets healthy,

1121
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:21,480
it's over.

1122
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: Oh look out forgot about Drew Smith.

1123
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. This is just sad, which there It wouldn't

1124
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,599
be sad if they were like really good, but they're

1125
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,440
barely a contender, but their primary candidates. This is a

1126
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:40,239
point five Kyle Kuzma, AJ Green, Tyler Smith, Andre Jackson here,

1127
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,000
I mean to Chris Livingston, you want to throw him

1128
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,239
in there too. If A. J.

1129
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,559
Speaker 2: Johnson were still on this team, we would be talking

1130
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:46,920
about him, probably more than.

1131
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: Anybody I didn't I The only way I'll support that

1132
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,840
trade is if they end up doing well in the

1133
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,920
playoffs and Kyle kus was like a huge reason why

1134
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,639
the Bucks fans all of a sudden thinking that like

1135
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,920
aj Johnson was going to be a lifeline to the future,

1136
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,800
like spare me, it wasn't a good trade, but this

1137
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,559
is like it's I think it was because he had

1138
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,360
like a good game like at the NBA level before

1139
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,199
he was traded. But I haven't everyone hated that pick

1140
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,039
in real time. I didn't know enough about him at

1141
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,280
the time. I haven't seen anything that makes me think

1142
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,039
the Bucks are gonna regret giving him up. If anything,

1143
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,840
I think it circles back to, oh, they really missed

1144
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,719
Chris Middleton during these you know this next one or

1145
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,079
two playoff pushes. Yeah, But I will say the player

1146
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,360
here that intrigues me the most kind of is Tyler Smith.

1147
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,719
Just like when you look at his archetype, it's sort

1148
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,199
of stand out for the position. And so if he's

1149
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,760
gonna come in and he's going to shoot super well

1150
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,599
from three or something in the per minute numbers are

1151
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,079
gonna hold. That would be. If you're asking me to

1152
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,960
identify who's the most likely future All Star on this team,

1153
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,679
I'm just going to pick the twenty year old who's

1154
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,920
six eleven and is willing to shoot threes, Like, yeah.

1155
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: It's it's the right. It's the unknown as like a

1156
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,880
virtue in this case, because what we know about the

1157
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,840
knowns is like they're just not all stars. This is

1158
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,880
an easy under for me. I don't see it with

1159
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,519
anybody here.

1160
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: I if anyone would like to make the case for

1161
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,800
aj Green Kyle, who like we were all years, I

1162
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,760
probably won't agree with you. But your team, all.

1163
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,159
Speaker 2: Right, Minnesota is up next. Rob Dillingham, Jade McDaniels, nos Reed,

1164
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,880
Leonard Miller, Nikhil Alexander Walker is not listed here. That's

1165
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,039
preposterous trying to think of anybody else. And he's gonna

1166
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:34,360
leave Luca Garza, who else Josh Myers, come on? So

1167
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:39,280
Dillingham is the flashes have been there and you the

1168
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,159
path to like just succeeding Mike Colmley is fairly obvious,

1169
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,519
so like we should assume he's gonna be a pretty

1170
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,039
big minute starting point guard fairly soon, like while he's

1171
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,079
still in the early stages of his rookie deal. So

1172
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,639
that's one I don't see it. For McDaniels, you know

1173
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,519
the comingus stat I trotted out, and nos Reed is

1174
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:00,719
in that group of like the twe six and two.

1175
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,679
Speaker 1: I don't actually play more minutes than coming too.

1176
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,079
Speaker 2: So and then I thought about it. I was like,

1177
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,079
if nas Reed was a full time starter, like I

1178
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:13,119
could see it, and you know all the there are

1179
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,400
reasons he isn't a full time starter, but he's younger

1180
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,000
than you think, and offensively, I think he can produce

1181
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,800
like all star ish numbers. It's just like, what's what's

1182
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,599
the path to?

1183
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: That is just what Randall's bend with the pistons of

1184
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:27,360
the furs this summer.

1185
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: That might be That's the thing, Like can it happen here?

1186
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:33,840
I don't know. I think Dillingham is this is the

1187
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,239
point five. By the way, I think Dillingham is the

1188
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,480
is the default pick, just because you can see his

1189
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:46,039
impact already in short bursts and he's got the lottery pedigree,

1190
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,039
you know. So I'll go over because I do think

1191
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,320
Reid has like a way outside shot at it, and

1192
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,639
I think Dillingham is actually a pretty decent shot at it.

1193
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over as well. And what I would

1194
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,239
add to that is Jaydon McDaniel can have an outside

1195
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,679
chance I think in sort of any given year. And

1196
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,760
we've harped a lot about and honestly, it looked like

1197
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,719
he was going to have one of the league's worst

1198
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,079
deals at some point this season. And he's really done

1199
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,239
a lot to improve himself or just be better offensively,

1200
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,079
and what we're seeing kind of recently, and it's more

1201
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,079
extended than this, but he's shooting fifty percent on seven

1202
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,719
drives a game over his last ten games. So the

1203
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,800
fact that he has that element leads me to believe

1204
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,840
all defense stable if there's ever a setup with this roster,

1205
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,559
and certainly if Julius rand I mean this is coincided

1206
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,679
with Julius Randall's absence a little bit. It was doing

1207
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,320
it before, but now if you removed to Julius Randall

1208
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,320
usage from the equation, and then yeah, okay, you sprinkling

1209
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,519
Rob Dillingham, but he's so good at working away from

1210
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,519
the ball and getting off the ball. If you can

1211
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,159
get a higher usage version of Jane McDaniels on offense,

1212
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,639
and honestly, if you could tell me that Jane McDaniels

1213
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,000
was going to have a season where he had twenty

1214
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,800
five usage or something, I might have bumped the over

1215
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,280
under here up to one and a half. So I'll

1216
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,400
go over here because I think that there's I might

1217
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,119
feel a little bit worse about it, Like who is

1218
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:06,800
the last small guard, like that was regularly considered for

1219
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,840
All Star? Was it CP three or whom I'm missing?

1220
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: It's tough. I mean, like Isaiah Thomas had a minute there,

1221
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,679
but that's an ultra small guard. Yeah, like I mean

1222
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:21,039
Dame is on the well, Conley's another one there. Yeah,

1223
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:23,280
It's it's hard to do as a small guard, especially

1224
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,039
when you have an high usage like superstar guard next

1225
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:28,199
to you.

1226
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: Is the answer?

1227
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, I'm gonna go over.

1228
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,559
Speaker 1: I think the conversation would be, would like, do you

1229
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:38,679
see a case for this needing to be set at

1230
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,159
one point five rather than point No.

1231
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,039
Speaker 2: I would have gone under pretty easily there.

1232
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: I think I probably would have gone over just because

1233
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,400
the Leonard Miller. But whatever. The Pelicans, this is a

1234
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:52,440
point five team and you have Trey Murphy, Jorn Hawkins,

1235
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,079
Herb Jones, the Untouchable Eaves, mecuh CG. McCollum hasn't made

1236
00:56:58,079 --> 00:56:59,480
an All Star game yet. You throw him in there

1237
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:01,679
too if you think that that's something that that might happen.

1238
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 2: So, I mean his name should be there, right, like

1239
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:07,760
you got well, anyway.

1240
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,679
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go I like Trey, So here's why

1241
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:14,440
I'm gonna go over. And I think that this is

1242
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,480
just situational, but it's just like they're twenty twenty five

1243
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,199
draft pick if you wanted to throw that, and they're like,

1244
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,159
that's gonna be pretty high. So maybe it's then, But

1245
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,360
I really like Trey Murphy. You mentioned sort of the

1246
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,840
playmaking bump from him. I think that he's someone who's

1247
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,480
gonna get like when we look back kind of in

1248
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,559
like three or four years, we might see like someone

1249
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,280
who's noticeably better defensively and the fact that he just

1250
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,519
has more layers to his offensive game than the long

1251
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,599
distance shooting or even kind of the movement or spacing

1252
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:43,519
away from the ball. I'm gonna go over. I'm a

1253
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,159
little bit reluctant because I don't know if he's ever

1254
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,480
gonna be like on a healthier version of the Pelicans

1255
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,599
or one that's competing. I don't think he's ever gonna

1256
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:54,119
necessarily have the opportunity license that he has right now.

1257
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:56,559
But he's just a really good all round player, and

1258
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,280
I think that can you know, give him a chance

1259
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,800
to get into the all start discussion.

1260
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Murphy. Murphy definitely is the reason I go over Hawkins.

1261
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:09,199
Like that's a tough one. He's just gonna have to

1262
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,280
like lead the league in three point shooting probably or

1263
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,280
be up in that conversation, which is not out of

1264
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,800
the question. He's definitely had stretches where he looks like

1265
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,360
a defense breaker, like one of those rare movement guys

1266
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,280
that can just you know, kind of open everything up

1267
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:26,480
herb like remember when I mean another all D. He's

1268
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:30,280
kind of the Jade McDaniels theory like, plus you know,

1269
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,840
the flashes we've seen of him as like a playmaker.

1270
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,639
You're gonna have to question the opportunities he'll get in

1271
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,320
pick and roll stuff just because of who's on his team.

1272
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,800
I don't know if you've got the defense locked in

1273
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,559
and there's a way for him at some point to

1274
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:47,719
you know, average seventeen a game or something like. Not

1275
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,719
totally out of the question, but Murphy gets you the

1276
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,000
over pretty comfortably. I think he's in his age twenty

1277
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:56,960
four season, leaps as a scorer, leaps as a facilitator.

1278
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,199
The Pelicans should just make him a high use like that.

1279
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,840
That just needs to be the thinking. So I go

1280
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,360
over here.

1281
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're if you're looking at it, which we

1282
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:12,159
should really focused on the long term, when is Zion

1283
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,639
and de Chantey Murray both still going to be there?

1284
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,800
And the answers probably know whatever this next iteration of

1285
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,239
the team is, it would probably surprise me if it happened.

1286
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,800
I'll say it would probably surprise me if it happened

1287
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,639
before they go the nuclear route of making him, let's

1288
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:28,639
just say their number two, whether that involved of getting

1289
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:30,960
rid of Murray or we don't even if Murry's gonna

1290
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,800
play next year, so actually maybe it could happen next year.

1291
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Who knows. Oh boy, Grant, we're onto your New York Knicks,

1292
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,639
so you got.

1293
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Already got Kat and already got Jalen Brunston. So that

1294
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,119
that's gonna be like front of mind as we try

1295
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,679
to rationalize these other names. Michel Bridges, o Gnobi, Josh Hart,

1296
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,719
Mitchell Robinson. I'll just say, so you don't have to

1297
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,159
pack on Dattier Frank Mila Kino on a comeback tour.

1298
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,880
Tyler Kolek would have said Jericho Simms, but he's gone.

1299
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,559
Here's the problem. They have two that are just gonna

1300
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,960
be there, like and Kat and and Brunson. I think

1301
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,880
so getting a third just because of the way it works.

1302
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: Boks have done it.

1303
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the way it works is you've got to

1304
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,320
be like a like a pretty close to like a

1305
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,719
runaway number one seed in your conference, which how's that?

1306
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,000
How's that happening in the next couple of years. So

1307
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,000
while I think like Bridges and Anonobe specifically are guys

1308
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:31,000
that for other teams we'd say like, oh yeah, the

1309
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,159
up sure, the upsides there. They could you know, could

1310
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,800
have a lightning in a bottle year. Can't say either

1311
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,199
has had a career year yet they're still like in

1312
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,960
prime seasons just because they have to be the third

1313
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,519
guy on this team. I think it's I gotta go

1314
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,119
under the point five here, just because I don't think

1315
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,519
the situation is right. It's not so much about the

1316
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,000
players themselves.

1317
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:56,199
Speaker 1: So I'm going under as well. And I would counter that,

1318
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,280
I think the situation if mckal Bridges was a different

1319
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,199
type of player like would be or the player that

1320
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,440
I think even I thought maybe he could be. Look,

1321
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,679
at some point they probably need to have a conversation.

1322
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,920
It'll be when they get eliminated from the playoffs that

1323
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,960
the Knicks gave up all that to get their fifth

1324
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:15,280
best player this Yeason. That's a the two that I

1325
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,599
look at or but like I think he had, you

1326
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,199
have to believe in his All Star potential if you're

1327
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:22,360
gonna pick the over here, because I don't think you're

1328
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,039
not getting a better version of Ogn Andobi and Josh

1329
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:27,280
Hart than you had this year. Yeah, and they didn't.

1330
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:29,000
I saw Knicks fans were trying to make the push

1331
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,719
for both of them. They had fantastic years. I don't

1332
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,320
think like even going through people that I thought were snubbed,

1333
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:36,840
I just don't think they probably had a real chance.

1334
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,400
And if I had to pick between the two, I mean,

1335
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,440
it probably should be Josh Harp, but I think people

1336
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,199
latch onto Ogn Andobi more. Yeah, Like even though Josh

1337
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,760
Hart Ojannoby's gonna score more, but Josh Hart's is gonna

1338
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,920
have more counting stats. Overall, I'm going under here as well,

1339
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,719
which I think speaks to which is I still think

1340
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,400
Michal Bridge is a fantastic player, ultra scalable, But it

1341
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,840
does speak to that the Knicks didn't trade like when

1342
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,079
they gave up all that, they weren't getting someone who

1343
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:06,960
had just an All Star type trajectory.

1344
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

1345
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: Rond to the Oklahoma City Thunder. The over under has

1346
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,239
set its seven and a half everyone on their roster

1347
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,480
the actual over under his set so Jaalen Williams made

1348
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,440
an All Star game this year, which I actually briefly

1349
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,440
forgot when I was making this grant, so I initially

1350
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,440
had them set at two and a half. They're set

1351
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,920
at one and a half. You have Chet Holmgren, which

1352
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,960
I think that he's the given, and then you get

1353
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,639
into like, okay, what are the swing pieces? Nicolo topicch

1354
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:37,039
Aaron Wiggins, AJ Mitchell, Cason Wallace, Brandon Carlson. Oh, can

1355
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:40,559
I actually say something very quickly all out? If they

1356
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:43,719
played and one of them was playing, AJ Mitchell got injured,

1357
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:47,480
if both Carlson and AJ Mitchell were playing, I think

1358
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:50,719
they would be like all rookie shoeings. I'm just we've

1359
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:53,000
seen very little Brandon Carlson and the stuff I've seen,

1360
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:54,719
I'm smitten. Is the worm going to throw around? Then?

1361
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,440
AJ Mitchell like he's a fuck he was.

1362
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,559
Speaker 2: I think we had him. We were talking about him

1363
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:01,960
already as a rookie, even though the role is tiny.

1364
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's always gonna shoot like this,

1365
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,719
but the defense is hell fire and he just moves

1366
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,559
so well away from the ball. Could just sneak in

1367
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,719
like the lanes and stuff with or without the rock?

1368
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,960
I can't, honestly, I wonder. I mean, they probably still

1369
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,519
would have made the trade because what was Josh Gidty

1370
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:19,400
doing for them? But like if you knew and A

1371
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,239
J Mitchell ended up getting injured, if you told Sam

1372
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,280
Presty before the Alex Caruso trade that AJ Mitchell was

1373
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,639
gonna be this and he was healthy, part of me

1374
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:28,360
thinks that he wouldn't have made the Alex career. He

1375
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,639
would have done something else with Josh Giddy.

1376
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,079
Speaker 2: But either yeah, either way, Giddy's gone. We can agree

1377
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:36,559
on that, but it might not have been for Caruso.

1378
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,400
I mean, so Chad is a given, like he's he's

1379
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,519
gonna make multiple All Star Game as long as he's healthy.

1380
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,000
I don't know where the second guy comes from to

1381
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:47,639
get over the one and a half, Like I almost

1382
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,000
want to go topitch, but then that's just like how

1383
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:51,960
how is he gonna have the role that he needs

1384
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,199
on this team to be an All Star caliber producer?

1385
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,039
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't.

1386
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: And then I'm also just picking him because you know,

1387
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,360
oh that some of the draft stuff was really interesting

1388
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,639
and we haven't seen any of his flaws this year

1389
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:06,760
because he hasn't played because he's been injured. So like,

1390
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:09,840
if you you feel, I feel like I'm sensing through

1391
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,559
the screen that you're leaning more like more towards the

1392
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:16,320
over and who who is it that's getting you there?

1393
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,079
Speaker 1: I feel it towards this through that I can sense it.

1394
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,800
I think. So it's Topiic and Aaron Wiggins for me. Uh,

1395
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:26,519
I think Aaron Wiggins has like I just want to

1396
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,159
see what would happen if you put him in a

1397
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:31,039
thirty minutes per game role, like for an entire season,

1398
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:34,280
the upside as what he can do on defense, and

1399
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,840
as someone you're talking about, well, how do you get

1400
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,760
the numbers when you're looking at the larger context of

1401
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,079
this team? He is the example. But it's just it's

1402
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:47,239
him and I think topich I'm probably I'm higher on

1403
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,559
him than consensus. Do you remember who my draft comp

1404
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,119
was for him when we did this? It was Shay

1405
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:55,000
And so I understand what you're saying about there being

1406
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:58,679
either redundancies or would he just be cannibalized by having

1407
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,400
j Dubb and sh and Shay and then of course

1408
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,519
others ahead of him in the pecking water. We gotta

1409
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:06,760
think super long term here again for this exercise, there

1410
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,320
could be a season where maybe the thunder look different,

1411
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,079
maybe Chet or someone else. I'm not wishing it, but

1412
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:14,800
they're injured and like it just upset like Nicole Topers

1413
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,000
could be jumping center at some point with all the

1414
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:21,119
injuries to these bigs in Okay. See, so looking ultra

1415
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,920
long term, Topitch is the guy for me that is

1416
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,440
gonna swing it to the over.

1417
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I would love to have seen him

1418
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:33,599
play a second this year. I think, I think because

1419
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:37,000
I feel so strongly that Chet is just like of

1420
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:40,239
anybody we've covered, Like I think it's yes, he's gonna

1421
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,880
be an All Star. He's I think Chet's gonna make

1422
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,840
all NBA teams. That's three because Shay and j Jada

1423
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,079
aren't going anywhere, So I guess what how about this,

1424
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,039
I think it's more likely that Okac's fourth All Star

1425
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,519
is not on the team yet, Like it'll be someone

1426
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:56,800
that they finally fire some bullets out and trade for.

1427
01:05:57,559 --> 01:05:59,880
Just Topich is the one that gives me the most pow.

1428
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:03,119
Speaker 1: But I can't. We don't know anything about how he's

1429
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:06,119
how he's gonna perform at an NBA level. With the caveat,

1430
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:09,920
I think everything you're saying is super valid based off

1431
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:13,639
J Dove's limitations to this point. As a number two type,

1432
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:18,159
couldn't you sort of see a progressive segue too? They're

1433
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:21,039
gonna slide him to the number three because Topic is

1434
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:23,599
more of that player, and that might be the pathway

1435
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:25,960
for Topic making it in the nearer term.

1436
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I could see that. I just what I haven't

1437
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,400
seen is topic play. So I just I can't. I

1438
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,320
don't know yet. I can't go well correct over under,

1439
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,159
by the way, correct over, I'm gonna go under because

1440
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:43,639
I don't. I just I think getting the fourth guy

1441
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,360
is really hard, and I just don't know what the

1442
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,199
chances of that are.

1443
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: Have we ever had a team like in the modern

1444
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,840
era that we never had a team that four all starts?

1445
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,440
The Hawks? Did it?

1446
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: Remember the Hawks? In like twenty fourteen? Everybody but Damari Carroll,

1447
01:06:56,519 --> 01:07:00,480
So it was like Tigue, Korver, Horford and Millsap made it.

1448
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: I forgot Korver was on that all part because they

1449
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,159
had a.

1450
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:06,039
Speaker 2: Trillion wins at the All Star break and they just

1451
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:08,880
was like, we got to get four somehow, and Carol

1452
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:09,880
was the one that didn't make it.

1453
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: That just that would never fly in the Western com No,

1454
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:12,960
that's the thing.

1455
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,079
Speaker 2: Now, it's and they're in the West too. We're gonna

1456
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,440
take four guys from one team in the West.

1457
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: Like how old is Nicolo Topicch I don't know, twelve exactly,

1458
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:24,280
so he has another forty years until he's gonna retire

1459
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,960
or whatever it is. So I I think because you

1460
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:28,719
haven't seen him, it's fair. But I think you're taking

1461
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,320
a little bit too narrow overview here because in the

1462
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,639
their scenario where they decide this team gets too expensive,

1463
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:38,559
either Shay or j Dubb or Holmegrin is just gone.

1464
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:40,599
And like there's just like sort of a net, like

1465
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,480
they got all these like cost controlled assets and draft picks,

1466
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:46,159
and so I'm not wishing the end of the Thunder window.

1467
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,480
I just think this team, more so than any other

1468
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:52,400
team the Rockets might come pretty close. Their future is

1469
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:56,639
so open ended that you can I'm thinking like eight

1470
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,639
years into the future basically.

1471
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, the Thunder always keep their young

1472
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,079
course together forever too. They don't just start trading on

1473
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,800
training them off, you know, uh, because look, was it

1474
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,920
was Serge Ibacca ever an All Star? I don't think so,

1475
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:13,039
but they had. I mean, that would have been a

1476
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:16,680
fun over under with Russ Harden, Durant and Ebaka and

1477
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,920
probably like Steven Adams throw him in there, or I

1478
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,000
guess Adams came over for Harden. So that doesn't work.

1479
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:25,560
But man, the Thunder, the Thunder are good at accumulating

1480
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,199
young talent. Have you ever had that thought?

1481
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: No? Uh, but you said, Serge of Bacca, I need

1482
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,880
to see and I won't do it myself because of

1483
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:35,680
how all the picks have ended up the Serge of

1484
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,720
Bacca trade tree. It's gotta be fucking crazy, because you

1485
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,760
think they they flipped him for Oladipo and some bonus

1486
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,479
who turned into Paul George who then turned into a

1487
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,119
bajillion picks. Yeah, and like those who have just been

1488
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,119
like some of those are still with the Thunder. They

1489
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,880
they're gonna start using them. They've probably said others away

1490
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,479
that Sergebacca trade tree might be one of like the

1491
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:58,640
the nastiest, like filthiest in NBA history.

1492
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,159
Speaker 2: Also Sibonis on the Thunder feels like an alternate universe.

1493
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:04,239
That was a real thing that happened, like he was

1494
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:06,840
on the Thunder. I just like I can't. And they

1495
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,239
thought he was a stretch big too. That that was

1496
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:10,279
the crazy I.

1497
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,159
Speaker 1: Knew like you did, that he was the most overrated player.

1498
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,000
And then they they did it.

1499
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: They did it right.

1500
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: So you went under which was the wrong answer. I

1501
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,960
went over the right answer. And we move on to

1502
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:23,039
your Orlando magic from there, all.

1503
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: Right, Franz, Wagner, Jalen Suggs, a lot of good candides,

1504
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,840
Anthony Black, Wendel, Carter Junior, who I definitely predicted, probably

1505
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,039
like four or five years ago.

1506
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:33,239
Speaker 1: Not old.

1507
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,079
Speaker 2: He's twenty five, which is why you like, yeah, what

1508
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:39,359
the number is? One and a half here? One point five.

1509
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:41,760
Paulo Bankaro's already made it.

1510
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: Any other name Franz was going to make.

1511
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 2: It, he would have made it. That. That's so he's

1512
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,239
a given. I think Fronz will be an All Star

1513
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:54,720
at some point. Man. First of all, before we start

1514
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,880
picking this apart, like Isaac's never gonna play enough, Jeded

1515
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,600
Howard not gonna get there. Who else is even someone

1516
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:03,159
we should.

1517
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, I know he's playing minutes. I just don't see

1518
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,319
it with Tristan da Silva, Like he might get all

1519
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:13,560
rookie love because of the minutes and he's a participant

1520
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,640
in like one of the NBA's best defenses.

1521
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's he He's a glue guy. He's there's

1522
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,560
no all star upside.

1523
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: For He's like a store brand glue stick.

1524
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a blue stick guy, not an All Star.

1525
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,760
It comes down to like sugs and black, mostly because Carter,

1526
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,199
you could say, is he ever going to be healthy

1527
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:36,479
enough for long enough? Although you only got to play

1528
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,000
the first you know, forty ish games and then you

1529
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:41,640
can fall apart. Would his injuries just come early?

1530
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: What's his pathway? When looking at is it? It's just

1531
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,119
the Al Horford case at that movie. He's not really

1532
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,199
elite at any of the traditional big man things, but

1533
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:51,359
he does so many things that he's just awesome.

1534
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 2: He would need a new he would need this stretch dimension,

1535
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,479
I think to become like his primary offensive utility team

1536
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,119
just needs a stretch Well, yeah, somebody better do it,

1537
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:07,359
right Suggs. Suggs, I mean has played like some all

1538
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,119
star caliber ball, right, Like I mean it's just he's

1539
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,680
the defense is locked in. We said that about several guys.

1540
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,880
If the three point shooting from last year could be

1541
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,000
paired with the defense and he stays healthy, I think

1542
01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:23,640
I'm going over because I think Anthony Black, who knows

1543
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,760
like it's early enough in his career where maybe he

1544
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:26,439
gets there too.

1545
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: He's, by the way, Anthony Black looks even younger than

1546
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,800
he is, like he's one of the players I look

1547
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,520
at and it's just, oh my god, like you are

1548
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:40,399
a child. I'm gonna go under. And this is wild

1549
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:42,319
because I tend to be higher on Jail and Suggs

1550
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:44,600
than you, Right, yeah, you do. I just look at it.

1551
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,159
The fact that Derek White, Marcus Smart, like none of

1552
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,399
those guys have made it an All Star game. I

1553
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:54,319
like Suggs, I think has a higher like overall ceiling

1554
01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:58,359
than Derek White because he just feels more abrupt. But

1555
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,439
I don't think that's a good way to ration him,

1556
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,159
like actually being All Star caliber. I don't know if

1557
01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:06,840
he's ever gonna have the offensive efficiency or numbers on

1558
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,640
this team because you look at Okay, they have Pollow

1559
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,680
and Franz now and they actually need somebody else who

1560
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,359
isn't schelling Sugs, so eventually he's gonna trickle down the

1561
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,319
pecking order even further. I'm gonna go under. I don't

1562
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:20,600
feel great about it, but again, shout out. I mean

1563
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,920
I was traditionally lower on Franz than consensus, and I

1564
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:26,880
was clearly just wrong that dude. The fact that he's

1565
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,439
we haven't penciled in is just yet. He'll make one yep.

1566
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: Well, he was on our MVP ballot before we got her.

1567
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,439
I think it's it's a it's a really good point

1568
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,760
you make about Suggs, where like the best version of

1569
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,520
Suggs on the Magic is one that's doing less. So

1570
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,000
it's like, how like how you know what?

1571
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:42,319
Speaker 1: I mean?

1572
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: They based on what they need to add for this

1573
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,600
team to actually score enough. He's in a fourth option

1574
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,800
situation and maybe fifth you.

1575
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,359
Speaker 1: Mentioned Anthony Blacker. I don't know how you get there

1576
01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:54,840
with him. Maybe just don't have a great feel for

1577
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,520
what he could be offensively.

1578
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: He feels glooey too and is not a great fit

1579
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,680
with Suggs just because the limitations are kind of similar.

1580
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,239
I don't know, I do there's a possibility that it's

1581
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:11,920
like one or the other. Like I guess if like Sugs,

1582
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,880
if they move on from Sugs and black, it just

1583
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,960
becomes the point guard, then maybe there's a way.

1584
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, And honestly, just the outside chance of

1585
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:23,279
Wendell Carter Junior having like a fifteen like fifteen point

1586
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,600
seven rebound, like five assists season while like in a

1587
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,760
block while shooting from three. The Horford in the over. Yeah,

1588
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,520
this is and that's the word we're gonna use is

1589
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,399
gluey from now on. Like there's enough gluey guys here.

1590
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: Some he has some adhesive properties.

1591
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: Nice job selling me on the over. Thanks the Philadelphius

1592
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,720
seventy six ers they have. This is there's a point

1593
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:53,199
five spoiler alert. Jared McCain, Justin Edwards, Quentin Grimes A

1594
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:55,399
dem Bona. Is there anyone else that you, like you

1595
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,039
want to throw in there, Ricky.

1596
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,399
Speaker 2: Council, Yeah, don't. Yeah, you have to do councils a

1597
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,479
good inclusion.

1598
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: The eventual Joel Embiid's bionic knees.

1599
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: Jaba Stile since they once they max him out to

1600
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,560
keep him, I mean, it's just McCain and like, how

1601
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,520
does that work with MAXI also being there? Like, I

1602
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,520
don't know, is there enough to go around. I guess

1603
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,560
there's some hypothetical where embiid is gone and suddenly you're

1604
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,319
built around like your two undersized guard backcourt and it's

1605
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:30,600
like a Dame McCollum situation. But like then, McCollum never

1606
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,560
made an All Star Game, as you noted, so I

1607
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:33,520
don't know where I'm going with that.

1608
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: If he was in the East, when McCollum have made

1609
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:36,359
an All Star Game.

1610
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: Probably I mean, he's like he's been just rock solid, consistent.

1611
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,279
McCain has had some had some real moments before he

1612
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:48,319
got hurt where you could really talk yourself into he

1613
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,319
might be capable of like number one option stuff on

1614
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,319
like a decent offense. But Maxie's there and he's already

1615
01:14:55,359 --> 01:14:57,119
got his contract and he's just going to be the

1616
01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:59,960
guy I think deservedly. So I don't know where mcain

1617
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:02,279
fits into that. So I think I lean under.

1618
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under as well. If I told you

1619
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,600
that if McCain wasn't on the Sixers, do you think

1620
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,560
high enough of him to have penciled him as a

1621
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,079
like over zero point five. I don't think I'm there yet,

1622
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:13,640
I just not.

1623
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: Quite, But I feel better about it just because him

1624
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,119
and MAXI is such like, we can't that's just you

1625
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,119
can't do that. I don't think, I.

1626
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 1: Will say did not really factor into the consideration, but

1627
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,119
I was recently doing a redraft of the twenty twenty

1628
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:28,119
four class. I had justin Edwards very close to a

1629
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:33,000
lottery grade. Yeahs for finding him, but that doesn't didn't know, Baron,

1630
01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:35,399
I'm going under here as well. Okay, who do we

1631
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:36,640
got next, mister Hughes.

1632
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,199
Speaker 2: Oh we have the stocked Phoenix Suns. So basically everybody

1633
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,720
who you expect has made All Star teams is has

1634
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,640
already done it. And no Durant, no Booker, no Bill So,

1635
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,159
Ryan Dunn, Olsoygadaro. We both like each of those guys,

1636
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:56,239
Nick Richards bull bull like, there's just this is the

1637
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:58,399
point five and it's an easy under for me. These

1638
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,560
are role filling guys that low ceiling, you know. I

1639
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,279
think Done and Nigodaro both could have and Richards will

1640
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:07,840
be around for a long time. I just they're never

1641
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,439
going to be like first, second, third, fourth options on

1642
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:12,119
the teams that are on.

1643
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,119
Speaker 1: Who do you think would have the best chance? It

1644
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,720
feels like, oh so right, just kind of yeah, yeah, like.

1645
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:23,239
Speaker 2: Switchable defender can make flo Raymond green, but less defense

1646
01:16:23,319 --> 01:16:26,479
case yeah, but better off like the floater falls, Like

1647
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,399
that's a signature shot. I'm trying to think who that

1648
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,520
even and now we're just talking about like a smaller

1649
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,840
Hartenstein who just makes push shots. Yeah, and I mean

1650
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,439
I guess at Gadaro Done is just like the offense

1651
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,319
even if even if Done is a really good three

1652
01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:45,319
point shooter, then you're just talking about like a wing

1653
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,680
that you put on a good team that it stands

1654
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,600
in the corner, Like that's that's not going to do it.

1655
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:52,079
Speaker 1: What about their twenty thirty one pick? Would you just

1656
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:53,439
smash the over? Well?

1657
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: Great? Is that pick in right now? Is it like seventh?

1658
01:16:57,239 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: Next team is the Portland Trailblazers. I think this is

1659
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,159
one of the more interesting teams. So you have Scoot,

1660
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,279
you have Donovan Klingen, you have Shadon Sharp, you have

1661
01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:09,840
Tamati Kamara. You can mention Denny Avdya as well. Please

1662
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,600
don't mention DeAndre Ayton, I would hope anyway, What do

1663
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,319
you think is the let's start here? What do you

1664
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:16,479
think is the right line?

1665
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,039
Speaker 2: I think it's one and a half because there's nobody

1666
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,960
that's a lock or anything close to it, but there's

1667
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:27,319
like a half dozen guys where you could talk yourself

1668
01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:30,359
into it. I think led by Scoot probably redemption tour

1669
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:30,800
for Scoot.

1670
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 1: Lately he's three point shooting, passing defense, even just the

1671
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,479
so like not this is just he's one of the

1672
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,800
people where it just feels like because he's in Portland

1673
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,039
and I know that we try not to treat the

1674
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:47,680
league like this, but that people latched on to what

1675
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,439
he was last year and even like the start of

1676
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,319
this year, and it was just kind of written off.

1677
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,399
Speaker 2: I mean yes, and in fairness, like it took. It

1678
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,000
wasn't just last year, like he really was also not

1679
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,479
good for a good chunk of the season.

1680
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:02,319
Speaker 1: I just I.

1681
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,239
Speaker 2: Paired with his draft profile, which obviously we've talked a

1682
01:18:07,319 --> 01:18:11,239
million times about like this guy's the best since whatever. Uh,

1683
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,680
And now that you're actually seeing it with the three

1684
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,960
point the three point shooting is like, that's that's a

1685
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:18,960
big deal. Finishing better. That was another real issue with

1686
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:21,279
him is like how is he just so bad on twoes?

1687
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:25,159
So I think Scoot is the safest bet, but then

1688
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:29,039
like Klingon might be an all defensive center and Sharp.

1689
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,479
I don't know how far is Sharp from being Jalen

1690
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,960
Green in a year like I there's Kamara, I don't

1691
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,239
really see it, but like I don't know Anthony Simons

1692
01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:39,319
goes on a heater at some point or Danny Avvie

1693
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,119
like there's there's there's enough like extra darts to throw

1694
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,680
in addition to scoot that I like the over, even

1695
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,239
if it's at one and a half, I'm going.

1696
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:53,520
Speaker 1: To go over as well. What's weird, though, is I'm

1697
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,840
starting to feel better about Donovan Klingon as my second

1698
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,840
pick than Shade and Sharp. I don't know. So it

1699
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,359
feels like because of his physical tool, Shade and Sharp

1700
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,560
should be really good on defense and he does not.

1701
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,840
And then the jumper is just when I watch it, okay,

1702
01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:12,680
like I like it, But then you gotta dig into

1703
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,880
the efficiency and it's just never for super long periods

1704
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,680
of time been hyper efficient. But then there's the self creation.

1705
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,840
He's done a lot better as a self creating shot

1706
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,239
maker this year. There's of course the rim pressure dominant Klingon.

1707
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,399
Then you get into okay, but like, what is he

1708
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,399
really like? He's just like he's a traditional big basically,

1709
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,680
but he might just be so dominant if he's gonna play,

1710
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,079
he might be so dominant defensively, is what I'm getting at.

1711
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:38,199
If he plays enough minutes, it's not the like, I

1712
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,279
don't know what is it, the Marcus Sool case, and

1713
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:42,199
even he was like more of a playmaker in space

1714
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:43,359
or that's not a good example.

1715
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: I think the name that came to mind because we

1716
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,079
talked about him is like he's maybe like a Zubots

1717
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,720
but also leads the league in blocks, like that kind

1718
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,199
of thing where it's like the defense gets recognized because

1719
01:19:55,279 --> 01:19:59,159
in addition to just being positively impactful, he's getting he's

1720
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:01,199
way up there in the the leader board for something

1721
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:02,640
that we associate with defense.

1722
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,199
Speaker 1: It couldn't it be. And this so here's I was,

1723
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,000
here's a wild or I would say it's not wild,

1724
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:10,600
it's believable. But just the stat on Donovan Klingen, so

1725
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,920
among everyone who's played five hundred minutes this year, which

1726
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,319
I think is over three hundred players, Clington is one

1727
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:19,159
of three who clear the ninetieth percentile of rollman impact

1728
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,159
and defensive field goal percentage allowed at the rim versus expectation.

1729
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,359
The other two players are christophs Porzingis and Victor Webb Yama. Yeah,

1730
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,520
and so those are completely different players from him. Whereas

1731
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,760
league you could draw parallels between christophs and Wemby. Donovan

1732
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,600
Clinton offensively is just not like them at all. But

1733
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,880
if my point would be, if you're the Blazers and

1734
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,199
you just have the league's best defense, that's probably Donovan

1735
01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:46,039
Clington's pass sort of the Rudy Gobert like path there.

1736
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,000
I think that go Bear is probably more of a

1737
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:51,479
versatile defender. But in terms of just rim protector, being

1738
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,800
enormous and knowing how to leverage that enormity, Donald Clinton

1739
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,439
could be dominant on that level. And I maybe it's

1740
01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:00,359
because I already know what his wheel is else is

1741
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:01,960
going to be? That? Is that why I feel better

1742
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:04,680
about him than Sharp? To be the the guy that

1743
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,079
gets us over the top, I don't know, but I

1744
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:10,079
think Sharp, conventionally speaking, is probably would be the one

1745
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:13,000
that people gravitate towards. Is that's why he that's who

1746
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:13,960
gets them pack?

1747
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think you're right to feel that way

1748
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,479
because Clinging just based on his statistical profile and watching him,

1749
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,079
it's like you can imagine what it would look like

1750
01:21:23,359 --> 01:21:25,600
if he you know, you can see the pathway like

1751
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,119
we just like you just talked about with Sharp, you're

1752
01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:30,359
just like speculating on well, if this and this and

1753
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,239
this developed, then he can be this. But it's still

1754
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,760
I mean, it's just it's still pretty ball of clay

1755
01:21:37,039 --> 01:21:39,159
kind of situation for him. And you can be like,

1756
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:42,520
he's a great athlete that seems to be able to score,

1757
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,039
and like what does that? What does that turn into?

1758
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:46,359
It's it's hard, too hard to say.

1759
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: Is there any sort of comp for someone like Tamani

1760
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,600
Kamara that has been an All Star previously, because we're

1761
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,039
he's averaging over thirty two minutes a game this season.

1762
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,560
I just don't know what the scoring volumes because I

1763
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:03,000
thought about again, different players like Andre Godala, but even

1764
01:22:03,039 --> 01:22:05,680
that is just like is he I didn't know what

1765
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,960
the pathway is to him being a volume enough score

1766
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,279
because if he was averaging right now, let's say he

1767
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:12,640
was averaging sixteen points a game, I think you get

1768
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,520
a lot more national attention because that dude is a

1769
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:15,399
defensive terror.

1770
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first name that came to mind, which and

1771
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,680
even this fails because he was a better passer and

1772
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:24,279
not as athletic I don't think, but like a younger

1773
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:27,520
Nick Batoom where it's like he can just guard one

1774
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,720
to four and just do what you need. Is smart

1775
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,600
like that, like that kind of thing. But he's a

1776
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,600
little he's a little different. Yeah, it's it's hard to

1777
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,520
come up with a camp for him. Igodala is interesting.

1778
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,159
I was just like just another level of athlete, though

1779
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:46,319
it was a passer. Yeah right, we like the Blazers.

1780
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,359
Speaker 1: We liked it. By the way, I don't know if

1781
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:50,680
you've looked, but people are now finding that we posted

1782
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,199
a clip from a podcast where I can't remember what

1783
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:55,640
I thought. Oh, the Portland Trailblazers are secretly stacked because

1784
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,159
we're talking about your depth. We got so much shit

1785
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,399
for that. And look here they are ruining their lottery

1786
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,239
are odds because they're too deep.

1787
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: Here they are screwing up because they're too good. Yeah,

1788
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,000
good job, fellas, your Sacramento Kings. Uh, I'll take them.

1789
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:10,279
Speaker 1: Why not?

1790
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: Uh Keegan Murray, Devin Carter, Malik monk Kean Ellis, uh

1791
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,039
Markel Foltz newly added. Got throw him in there.

1792
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: They got two top ten picks on this team. Let's go.

1793
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there's anybody else we should probably probably.

1794
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:32,199
Speaker 1: Not, Uh, yes there is. You mentioned him previously.

1795
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,199
Speaker 2: I forget Jake Laabia, Oh Jake, alright, it would have

1796
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:41,239
been forgot about it. So this Carter, So this is

1797
01:23:41,279 --> 01:23:45,359
a point five. Uh, Carter is early enough, but I

1798
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,199
Carter feels like a kind of a roll defense first

1799
01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:52,359
role guy. We've every got how many of those guys

1800
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:54,359
that we talked about, is like, yeah, but probably not,

1801
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:55,960
Like there's just so many.

1802
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,199
Speaker 1: I think the fun or I don't know if it's

1803
01:23:58,239 --> 01:23:59,800
fun or if it's effective, it's one or the other.

1804
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:02,359
Maybe it's just interesting what will be the analog for

1805
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,439
what Devin Carter's supposed to be, which kind of feels

1806
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,920
like a taller prime Patrick Beverley.

1807
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like the shooting is a bigger part

1808
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,039
of the package with him or what or like the

1809
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:16,800
theory of his upside than it was.

1810
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:19,039
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things is when people not that

1811
01:24:19,079 --> 01:24:21,039
they're just watching him for the first time, but when

1812
01:24:21,039 --> 01:24:23,399
any like you see the clips of the Devin Carter

1813
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,880
like Moonball threes where it's like he shoots, it goes

1814
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:26,479
out of frame.

1815
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: I mean, this comes down really because you might have

1816
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,039
said Malik Monk if the Kings hadn't so quickly gone

1817
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:38,039
out and got another point guard, because he's like, well,

1818
01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:39,600
if he's just going to be a point guard, maybe

1819
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,720
maybe he's on the ball enough to get the numbers.

1820
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,279
Speaker 1: Well, who did they get just you're looking at Levine

1821
01:24:44,319 --> 01:24:46,439
and de Rosen or you were like factoring in faults.

1822
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm talking about faults. They specifically went out

1823
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,119
and got a point guard, Like that's super limited, because

1824
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:53,439
I don't think they love the idea of Monk being

1825
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:54,399
a full time point guard.

1826
01:24:55,119 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you, so you're the

1827
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,800
best option. Here is what you're getting at? Is Kegan Murray?

1828
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? And time last year or actually, honestly this well, actually,

1829
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,439
that's a good question. Do you think his stock was

1830
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,760
highest when he was setting the rookie record for made

1831
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,760
threes and two years ago or last year when we

1832
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,279
all agreed, oh my god, this guy's a really good defender.

1833
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: I think it was last year because I believe you

1834
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,039
could always envision the stuff he was doing as a shooter,

1835
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,600
scaling to a smaller role but still having enough like

1836
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,640
made buckets to oh, he's averaging nineteen points a game

1837
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:32,119
and playing all defense level defense. That's his ticket into

1838
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:34,720
the All Star Game, which, by the way, that's still

1839
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,279
probably his ticket in the All Star Game. I just

1840
01:25:36,319 --> 01:25:38,600
think he has way more to offer offensively. It's clear

1841
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:41,279
they're never gonna build the team in the image of

1842
01:25:41,359 --> 01:25:42,720
tapping into that though.

1843
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is still him. He's already twenty four. Yeah,

1844
01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:52,720
it isn't about him. It's about the team that's around

1845
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,760
him and the type of team that the Kings keep

1846
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,000
seeming to want to build. That's just he's Is he

1847
01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:00,600
ever going to be more than a fourth op? Like,

1848
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,760
you know, certainly not while he's on his rookie scale deal.

1849
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,399
And then by the time he's on his second deal,

1850
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,680
can they even like will they just say, like, why

1851
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,880
are we gonna pay a fourth option thirty million a year?

1852
01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:13,800
And he'll be somewhere else and then maybe in a

1853
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,279
proper role and then he's an All Star. So I

1854
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:20,479
gotta go under. While acknowledging Keegan Murray would make this

1855
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,359
much more difficult if he had ever been kind of

1856
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:23,199
given a chance.

1857
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over because I tend to be maybe

1858
01:26:27,159 --> 01:26:29,359
a rationally high on Kiging Murray. But also I just

1859
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:33,039
think we might be discounting the any given year Moleak

1860
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:35,319
Monk just go like what if he's just averaging like

1861
01:26:35,399 --> 01:26:37,520
twenty points an eight assists a game next season or

1862
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,479
something because Demart Rosen gets older, or they move off

1863
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,640
of Martin Rozen to do something else, maybe addressed like

1864
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,399
a defensive need. I'm not predicting it. I just in

1865
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,039
my head, I'm gonna try and play with the Keig

1866
01:26:49,159 --> 01:26:52,239
Murray upside and then just like also, maybe Devin Carter

1867
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,399
just sort of goes kaboom. And so I think there's

1868
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,199
sort of enough like good vibe wild cards here that

1869
01:26:58,239 --> 01:26:59,720
I'm gonna take the over at point five.

1870
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: I love the faith you haven't in them. If they

1871
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:06,199
if the Kings would move on from Levine or DeRozan, which.

1872
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:08,319
Speaker 1: They I think Derozen would be the one where it's

1873
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,279
because I think Levine is more comfortable working off the ball,

1874
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,760
so he moved off Derozen. Like then maybe it gets

1875
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,920
super interesting for Oh, could Monk or maybe a Murray

1876
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:19,880
or a Carter just pop.

1877
01:27:20,119 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 2: The thing is though, like if this team has all stars,

1878
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,680
it'll be Levine and or Sabonis. And then so how

1879
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,560
are the King I guess like you're then you're taking

1880
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,479
the long the long lens basically and saying those guys

1881
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,840
will be gone and then and then maybe that makes

1882
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,880
that might make Carter the pick is just like he's

1883
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:36,920
on his rookie deal and might be here the longest

1884
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,760
and outlast everybody that's ahead of him.

1885
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: And also Derozen might only be here for another year. Yeah,

1886
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,680
because that second years, third year, excuse me, he's not

1887
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,960
fully guaranteed, but it's mostly guaranteed. They could move him

1888
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,359
those in expiring it just even Zach Lvine only has

1889
01:27:51,359 --> 01:27:53,640
two more years left on his deal. But who do

1890
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,239
you view as the more transient piece?

1891
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:57,119
Speaker 2: I guess but Dan, I think.

1892
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: And then like between Monk and Levin, who would you

1893
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,039
consider the more transient Kings player?

1894
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 2: I think that's a good question. I think probably Monk just.

1895
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: Because like teams are really gonna if you wanted to

1896
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,840
make a bigger trade as the Kings, his contract, his

1897
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,600
age right, just gonna want him. Yeah, that's fair. I'll

1898
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,199
take the over. Still, though, we're onto the San Antonio

1899
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:28,000
Spurs and they're somewhat fascinating. They have Devin Vessel, Steph Castle,

1900
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,880
Jeremy Sohen and then of course I think this is

1901
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,439
the one who defines their over under of one point five.

1902
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,159
Julian Champenny, I actually have their over under set at

1903
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:39,640
point five. Do you think that's the right one for

1904
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:40,239
this team?

1905
01:28:41,279 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 2: You could make the case for one point five because

1906
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,359
I think for me, I'm in on Castle and I

1907
01:28:48,399 --> 01:28:51,159
would just take the over immediately on zo point five.

1908
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: Okay, can you talk me into Steph Castle being an

1909
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,159
All Star then?

1910
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 2: So I think what he's established already is like a

1911
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:06,439
level of athleticism, defensive potential, like physicality, like smarts that

1912
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,880
I feel confident betting on.

1913
01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:10,399
Speaker 1: That.

1914
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: That turns into like, I think he has multiple pathways.

1915
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,439
Like Fox being there is is like, well, I don't

1916
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,720
think he's gonna be the point guard now, but he's

1917
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,520
also young enough to where by the time Fox is thirty,

1918
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,600
Castle is going to be twenty three, twenty four, So

1919
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,920
like he could outlast Fox pretty easily if the Spurs,

1920
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,520
you know, move move on from him or whatever. So

1921
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,159
part of it's the runway. Part of it's just I

1922
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,720
think he could be a really good wing. I think

1923
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,119
he could be potentially a point guard. The shooting is

1924
01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:42,279
the swing skill, but like we've decided that both Thompson's

1925
01:29:42,399 --> 01:29:45,920
are like safe bets for that. So I just think

1926
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:49,399
everything Castle has done so far, plus his youth, and

1927
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,479
plus like the pretty core belief within the Spurs that

1928
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,319
like he needs to be here for a long time,

1929
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,199
just makes me feel really good about his All Star chances.

1930
01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I think what's anecdotally it feels like people are more

1931
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,079
inclined to forgive. Let's use Amentos as the example, the

1932
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,399
lack of shooting there for someone who can scale up

1933
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,640
and play like wings and forwards. For sure, Castle may

1934
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,840
be a wing, but it's most likely a stretch to

1935
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,000
say that. Yeah, and I think that's going to work

1936
01:30:18,039 --> 01:30:21,159
against him because what then separates him from we were

1937
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:22,720
equivocating on Jail and Suggs.

1938
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,239
Speaker 2: I think Castle's a bigger, better athlete, has a way.

1939
01:30:29,079 --> 01:30:32,239
I just see more possibilities. I would concede though, like

1940
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:36,199
Castle's like median outcome is not an All Star, So

1941
01:30:36,319 --> 01:30:38,800
I'm betting on like because I think the distance between

1942
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,520
his floor and ceiling depending on the shot is like enormous,

1943
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,680
So I'm just betting. I'm betting the ceiling while acknowledging

1944
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,880
the floor is like, oh, he's never gonna sniff an

1945
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:47,479
All Star Game.

1946
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,119
Speaker 1: I will say I do have I was a little

1947
01:30:49,119 --> 01:30:50,840
bit concerned about what he would look like in the

1948
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,079
Diaron Fox era now, but just like the way that

1949
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,680
you can because he's big and athletic, like and because

1950
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,000
of what Wemby does, Like you have him screen for Wemby,

1951
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:00,600
he's like that's kind of an out all the time too.

1952
01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: He's got such sorry, he's got such a good feel

1953
01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:07,279
for a guy that's that athletic where it's just like

1954
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,680
he's it just makes me think he's gonna figure it out,

1955
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,640
and I know feel is like what what does that mean?

1956
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,439
It's I don't know. I watch him move around the

1957
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,279
floor and he like has a has a plan and

1958
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:17,680
like knows what he's doing and like thinks the game

1959
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:21,640
like processes pretty quickly for his age. Like if you're

1960
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,520
if you can do that and you're kind of like

1961
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,159
athletically unlimited, I just I'm gonna buy. I just think

1962
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,319
the potential is super high.

1963
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm going over as well. But Devin Vessel is the

1964
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,319
driving force for me, especially if the spurs idea long

1965
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,199
term even if you don't think that they're clearly not

1966
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:38,079
a finished product. But even if you don't think that

1967
01:31:38,199 --> 01:31:41,560
darn Fox is here forever. The fact that they gravitated

1968
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,600
towards him makes me think they don't view Steph Castle

1969
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,000
as a future point guard. I mean maybe maybe they do, yeah,

1970
01:31:47,239 --> 01:31:49,119
But and so I think if you're looking at okay,

1971
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,560
this All Star needs to come from someone who's better

1972
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,359
suited to make that impact as a third option. It

1973
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,039
feels like Devin Vassell, who's like sort of this cross

1974
01:31:57,119 --> 01:32:01,079
between Devin Booker Chris Middleton to me, and that would

1975
01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:02,720
be the type of guy I think can shine through

1976
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,920
enough to be an All Star, will also being the

1977
01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:08,439
third best player and Steph Castle, And maybe that just

1978
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,359
speaks to we don't evaluate defense closely enough or evaluate

1979
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,039
it highly enough, but we're both going over. I just

1980
01:32:16,119 --> 01:32:19,720
have more confidence in Bissell having the even though he's older,

1981
01:32:20,399 --> 01:32:22,439
further in his career, I have more confidence in him

1982
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:23,840
having the All Star upside.

1983
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:27,119
Speaker 2: I think the Vissell's role is like so clear, it's

1984
01:32:27,159 --> 01:32:29,079
so much easier than it is for Castle. Like a

1985
01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:31,720
few things Castle has to like change and or like

1986
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,840
the situation has to change a little bit. I think

1987
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,159
for him to really have a that's so I understand

1988
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:37,319
why you go Vissel.

1989
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:39,399
Speaker 1: If he ends up shooting with Devin Vessell. Shoot, let's

1990
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:40,960
even say I'm lesser violing. But like, if there's a

1991
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,479
season where Steph Castle's taking four to three is a

1992
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,560
game and knocking him down at like thirty six percent,

1993
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,520
Oh that's the then the pathway, Okay, that's the pathway

1994
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:49,560
right then then he.

1995
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Then it's not a question of like, oh can he

1996
01:32:52,039 --> 01:32:53,520
play with Fox, It's like what do we do with

1997
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,880
the cell? Like then it's like that's his role that

1998
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:56,399
he's taking.

1999
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: He plays small because we's seven play all three for sure.

2000
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,880
Our next team is your team, and it is the

2001
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:03,880
Toronto Raptors.

2002
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: Interesting team here, You've got R. J. Barrett, Imanuel Quickly,

2003
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,880
Grady Dick, Jacobe Walter O chaiag Baji Yaka Pearle ingram

2004
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,159
Are obviously has made one. Scottie Barnes has made one,

2005
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:16,279
which I totally forgot about before looking it up. For

2006
01:33:16,359 --> 01:33:21,399
this this is a point five and I think I'm

2007
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,680
leaning under and the one that's giving me the most

2008
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:28,119
like yeah, me, well, it's kind of a tie. I

2009
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:29,560
don't think Barrett's going to be an All Star. I

2010
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,000
also don't know how much sense Barrett makes on this team.

2011
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:36,680
Long term now with Ingram, So between Quickly and Grady Dick,

2012
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:41,279
they're like some legitimate possibilities there. Would you would you

2013
01:33:41,399 --> 01:33:43,720
include Walter or anybody else in that group? Or do

2014
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,439
you feel differently about Barrett than I do?

2015
01:33:47,079 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: I just these all just feel like stabs in the dark,

2016
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:53,520
Like like what if Yakka Pearl just had you could

2017
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,800
vision been having a monster season there, like being a

2018
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,239
double double guy or something, and then like averaging four.

2019
01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:03,479
I don't know for sis, I'm leaning under despite the

2020
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,680
breadth of options here because I don't like the Scottie

2021
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,920
Barnes Brandon Ingram. So, then what's the pathway I would

2022
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,560
have gravitated initially towards Barrett or Manuel Quickly, But then

2023
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,439
what's the pathway to either of those two necessarily being

2024
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,640
one with both of these guys in Toronto. I will

2025
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,000
say Jacoby Walter might have that type of upside. I've

2026
01:34:22,039 --> 01:34:24,479
seen some good defensive moments from him. He's definitely comfortable

2027
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:28,800
creating chaos on the ball. I'm just like I feel,

2028
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,000
if you're asking me, am I gonna go with Jacoby Walter,

2029
01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:33,239
who I've seen, or Nicola Topicch who we haven't seen

2030
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:35,680
in the NBA, I would still like feel better about

2031
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:39,560
a topitch. I'm gonna go under here, But there's the

2032
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,039
case for them going over. I think is just doesn't

2033
01:34:42,039 --> 01:34:44,720
it feel like there's you could talk yourself into of

2034
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,439
the list I gave you, even if you're trying to

2035
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,680
play the pipe dream game, there's like, oh, there's like

2036
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,039
three or four guys that.

2037
01:34:51,279 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the shotgun approach. You've got a lot of

2038
01:34:54,199 --> 01:34:56,000
like your aim doesn't have to be very good, Like

2039
01:34:56,079 --> 01:35:00,359
there's just so many like non zero chances. I still

2040
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:03,159
go under just because I do. I think I think

2041
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:05,399
you said it like Barnes is going to be the

2042
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,640
first All Star pick for this team, Ingram would be second,

2043
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:11,319
and then like how good do the Raptors need to

2044
01:35:11,359 --> 01:35:14,439
be where we're talking about any of these guys as

2045
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,079
a third All Star? And then it's like, well, other

2046
01:35:17,159 --> 01:35:19,399
than like I guess Grady Dick and Jacobe Walter are

2047
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,039
young enough to where they could outlast the current All

2048
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:24,760
Stars and be there, But I don't know. I don't

2049
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:25,439
like those odds.

2050
01:35:26,279 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: And if you had to pick a player in the

2051
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:31,439
vacuum that would be most likely to do it, I

2052
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,319
feel like it would be a manual quickly.

2053
01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:36,279
Speaker 2: Still, that was my first thought. I think Grady Dick

2054
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:38,239
is someone you'd have to consider though too, if like

2055
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:40,920
because we've seen build as a shooter, but then we

2056
01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:44,399
had like this playmaking revelation over the summer and some

2057
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,960
flashes of that to where I don't know what the

2058
01:35:47,079 --> 01:35:51,159
comp is for him, but like you could, the team

2059
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:52,960
would have to be so different though for him to

2060
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,479
have the kind of the size of the role that

2061
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:55,039
he would need.

2062
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: I so I thought about, like, oh, Taya Boji for

2063
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,199
a set in the vein of has there ever been

2064
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:06,159
someone who is consistently mentioned in the like legitimately in

2065
01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:08,119
the All Star discussion that was strictly three and D

2066
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,479
because like, if you can't go to Paul Georgia Kawhi,

2067
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,239
like then you're adding like a ton of dimensions to

2068
01:36:14,359 --> 01:36:14,680
the game.

2069
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 2: Man, that's a I don't know, nobody like springs to mind.

2070
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,119
I mean something you know, Like again, since we just

2071
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:24,039
talked about Kyle Korverman an All Star game and that

2072
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:28,560
was just three No, I don't. It's like I guess

2073
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,960
like Sons Michale Bridges, but he hasn't been an All Star.

2074
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:34,640
But that would be the type is it is?

2075
01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:37,119
Speaker 1: Is it rude to say Clay.

2076
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,079
Speaker 2: No, that's actually I mean that's that's asking a lot

2077
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:44,520
of agi to get that level of three, because I

2078
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,800
think is probably a better defender, certainly against guards than

2079
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,960
maybe Clay was outside of his first like three four years.

2080
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,800
But yeah, that that's a good one. I've thought about

2081
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:54,600
that because.

2082
01:36:54,880 --> 01:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Just like extreme. Yeah, I'm just trying to I mean,

2083
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,079
I mean Ray Allen was an All Star.

2084
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean that was all that was three and some

2085
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,479
more offensive stuff more so than the D I think.

2086
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might scrolling through the list of Vince Carter

2087
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:14,560
is not gonna qualify uh, Sean.

2088
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 2: Marion, I was mostly d that that three ball was.

2089
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:22,239
Speaker 1: That was well for Akbaji. Then yeah, I'm not seeing

2090
01:37:22,279 --> 01:37:24,760
anyone else that's and then like we're talking, I mean,

2091
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,039
we only needed to be a one off for this exercise,

2092
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,239
but there's nobody that's like popping out to me. I

2093
01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:31,960
guess it could happen, but it's not something.

2094
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,359
Speaker 2: I would somebody's gonna get in the comments and name

2095
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:35,920
like five people that we should have thought of.

2096
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: Oh we're doing this off the coffel, though I am

2097
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,319
looking at the list right now. I mean, yeah, I don't.

2098
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:43,600
I mean, but there's some guys here that like made

2099
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:46,319
it with no D so but they were more inventive

2100
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,319
offensively so and this wasn't even specific to Akbashi. There's

2101
01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:52,279
just some people we've come across through this exercise that

2102
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:55,039
made me think we worshiped these three and D guys.

2103
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,800
But how many of them, like while staying three and

2104
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,760
D like sort of in that I don't like not

2105
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,920
being pigeonhole there, but staying within that box.

2106
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean we like those guys because of

2107
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:09,479
how they can fit around, Like whoever your two high

2108
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:14,479
usage stars are. You know, it's not not because the

2109
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,840
three three the three and D guy doesn't like make

2110
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,720
the team. He sort of completes it so so and

2111
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,039
so like that those guys just almost by their nature

2112
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:25,880
are like fungible because it's not like you know what

2113
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,159
I mean, Like that's just the role that guys who

2114
01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:30,239
are not going to be on the ball need to fill.

2115
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,119
And the whole trick of the building a good roster

2116
01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:35,039
is like figuring out who's going to be on the ball.

2117
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,279
Speaker 1: And I guess also in the modern era, where it

2118
01:38:38,279 --> 01:38:41,640
feels like there's this vast appreciation for those types of players.

2119
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,079
This would be like, I don't know if we're maybe

2120
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:46,800
graduating from that type of discussion, but this does feel

2121
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,159
like maybe it could happen more commonly, or at least

2122
01:38:49,159 --> 01:38:51,479
have a better chance of happening at all because of

2123
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,840
the way we value those types of players. Now, our

2124
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,359
next team is my team, and it is the Utah Jazz.

2125
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:00,439
I don't know if this is upsetting or not, but

2126
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:05,479
so the over unders point five Keyante George Isaiah Collier,

2127
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:10,359
Walker Kessler, Telen Hendrix. I'm still ultra high on Cody Williams,

2128
01:39:11,239 --> 01:39:13,720
number one of my big Board grant. I don't write

2129
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,079
off rookies, but if you were, But if you did,

2130
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,880
who would you be more inclined to write off? Salon

2131
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:21,760
or Cody Williams?

2132
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Probably Salon because I just don't know what the theory

2133
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,119
is of him, which is saying something because Cody Williams

2134
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:30,439
has been capital.

2135
01:39:30,079 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: Be bad, capital L for low volume, but also some

2136
01:39:34,039 --> 01:39:36,439
other stuff here and then I was trying to think

2137
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,479
of just of the more established players who would be

2138
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,760
I think it's Colin Sexton would be most likely of them,

2139
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,439
between like Collins, I can't really get there, and Jordan Clarkson,

2140
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,840
So I included Colin Sexton here. Yeah, it's point five.

2141
01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:51,600
What are you going with? Over or under?

2142
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 2: I think I think it might surprise you that I'm

2143
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:58,279
gonna go over Cayle Philipowski. That twenty something last night

2144
01:39:59,399 --> 01:40:03,880
is another one about so it's mostly George, And so

2145
01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:06,840
I was I was doing something else about George and

2146
01:40:07,039 --> 01:40:09,560
like the knock I mean, they're playing a Knox, but

2147
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,079
he's had some high moments, but it's under like thirty

2148
01:40:12,319 --> 01:40:14,760
around thirty nine percent from the field and just under

2149
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,600
thirty four from three over his first two years, and

2150
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,159
it's like, oh my god, like you can't have an

2151
01:40:20,199 --> 01:40:23,119
on ball guy that is at that level. It turns

2152
01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:26,159
out like if you get if you play enough to

2153
01:40:26,319 --> 01:40:29,279
accumulate those numbers in your first couple of years like

2154
01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:33,000
you're doing, and there's there's enough about you independent of

2155
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:35,640
your scoring efficiency to like justify that. Now. I don't

2156
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,000
know how to divorce that from like the specific team

2157
01:40:38,079 --> 01:40:40,119
context of Utah, which is like we're trying to lose,

2158
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:44,159
so we're gonna play a guy like that. But there's

2159
01:40:44,199 --> 01:40:47,279
something like ten players that have played their first two

2160
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:50,520
years and shot at as much as George has at

2161
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,880
the percentages he has, which is say, like really bad.

2162
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,800
And it's like Jason Kidd, Mookie Blaylock, like there's a

2163
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:59,960
couple like real names that are there along with your life.

2164
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:04,239
Immanuel Moodier's Cole Anthony is another one. So if you've

2165
01:41:04,279 --> 01:41:06,880
been that inefficient but played as much as George has,

2166
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:09,560
there's like it's like a coin flip that you'll either

2167
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,640
you might be really good. It's kind of like point

2168
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,119
guards that are rookies that have super high turnover totals.

2169
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,199
It's like, well, those guys all end up in the

2170
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:18,720
Hall of Fame, like just because they had the ball

2171
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,960
that much as a rookie, so they must have had something.

2172
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,199
So George is the one that I could see the

2173
01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:27,399
upside with. And then it's the Toronto thing where it's

2174
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,560
like there's enough dudes here where, like maybe Kessler wins

2175
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,439
Defensive Player of the Year and as an All Star,

2176
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,119
like maybe Hendricks once he's healthy, really is the stretch

2177
01:41:36,319 --> 01:41:39,960
forward that defends everybody. So there's enough in addition to

2178
01:41:40,079 --> 01:41:42,960
George that I feel like point five I can I

2179
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:44,880
can fairly comfortably go over.

2180
01:41:46,119 --> 01:41:49,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. I think the

2181
01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:51,479
player I'm highest on long term for this team, even

2182
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,279
with the injury, is still Taylor Hendricks as just a

2183
01:41:54,359 --> 01:41:57,000
pathway of being kind of honestly, I would take the

2184
01:41:57,039 --> 01:41:59,239
player Jaron Jackson Junior is now where I really think

2185
01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:02,119
there's a chance to be more dynamic offensively. And even

2186
01:42:02,119 --> 01:42:04,960
if he's the Jaron Jackson junior of let's say not

2187
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:08,119
the past two seasons, that player could still technically make

2188
01:42:08,199 --> 01:42:11,560
him All Star Game. And then you mentioned all the

2189
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:14,399
stuff with George, even with Kessler, I think you could

2190
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:16,359
also kind of I met. I made a joke before

2191
01:42:16,359 --> 01:42:19,760
about Collier having just get you fired or promoted greatness.

2192
01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:22,640
He kind of does. I mean, like he's just he's

2193
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,640
all over the place. He's probably like most likely in

2194
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,880
the league to shoot an air ball layup. But it's

2195
01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:30,920
just there's a frenetic to the way he plays. And

2196
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,199
when you start to like really dig into it, grant

2197
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,720
of rookies who have played a ton of minutes and

2198
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,600
then you're looking at like looking at just their assist

2199
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,520
totals or their ability to get assists. So his assists

2200
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:46,920
rate is over thirty four for a rookie, which is

2201
01:42:47,079 --> 01:42:49,159
just insane. So if you look at all the rookies

2202
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,000
who have played at least a thousand minutes and had

2203
01:42:52,039 --> 01:42:55,920
an assist rate a north of thirty. Like, it's not

2204
01:42:56,279 --> 01:42:58,800
like it's a bunch of dudes, but it's sixty of them,

2205
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,199
and just some of the names that up. Okay, there's

2206
01:43:01,319 --> 01:43:05,000
Mesitch and Giddy, but there's also LaMelo, Ball, Jodurant, John Morant,

2207
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:08,680
Luka Dancic, Trey Young, Ben Simmons. But then there's also

2208
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:10,359
Tyler Eulis and TJ McConnell.

2209
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like the George thing. It's like

2210
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:15,720
there's a there's a real low floor with but there's

2211
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:17,720
like a real high ceiling for some of those numbers.

2212
01:43:18,079 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: So if he could get more efficient as a score,

2213
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,920
like there's because the stuff he could do in the lane,

2214
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,319
or will he become a good shooter, I don't know.

2215
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,760
I just think I'm going over, not primarily because of him,

2216
01:43:30,079 --> 01:43:32,239
but when you're kind of talking about the stabs in

2217
01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:34,800
the dark or stepping out on these limbs, there's enough

2218
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,239
of them. But I think like Isaiah Collier four falls

2219
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:39,720
into that and he was you know, everyone knows it

2220
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,720
wasn't he like first in his recruiting rank at one

2221
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:42,600
point was.

2222
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: He was top five?

2223
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I think he was.

2224
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,079
Speaker 2: I think he was second. But oh yeah, like that

2225
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,199
doesn't just disappear in a lot of cases.

2226
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,159
Speaker 1: So I again not predicting it. But when I like

2227
01:43:51,279 --> 01:43:53,600
Taylor Hendricks a lot, I like Keante George too. And

2228
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:55,680
also I don't feel this way I want to make

2229
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,560
it clear about Collier, but you watch the aesthetics of

2230
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:02,279
George's game, there's like a poison control for Keyote George

2231
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:04,920
that makes me think, oh, this could be like someone

2232
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:06,520
who hits some pull ups, and then it is also

2233
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,479
a really good game manager. Yeah, I see the pathway there.

2234
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,640
So the eye tests you don't necessarily get that with

2235
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,359
Collier consistently because he could be like one of the

2236
01:44:15,399 --> 01:44:18,119
most detrimental players in the league for any given moment too.

2237
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:19,880
But boom or bus baby.

2238
01:44:20,079 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's way too early to call it on

2239
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,880
Cody Williams, Like if the if the problem you have

2240
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:29,760
with him is that like he's passive, well, okay, that's

2241
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,399
different than like, oh my god, he's unskilled or oh

2242
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,520
my god, he like can't do anything. It's like he's

2243
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,880
just like choosing not to do anything.

2244
01:44:37,239 --> 01:44:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2245
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,560
Speaker 2: That's kind of a weird problem to have, but it's

2246
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:40,159
not fatal.

2247
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Where would you take him? But I don't need an

2248
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,319
actual pick because like if you were to redraft, would

2249
01:44:46,319 --> 01:44:47,880
you still take him in the first round.

2250
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 2: I mean of this past draft, probably oh yeah, in

2251
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,439
the first round. Yeah yeah, okay, because because everything you

2252
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,880
thought about him, all the upside you saw is still there.

2253
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,359
It's like you can't it's it's still if he Now,

2254
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,560
if he gets through year two and we feel no different,

2255
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,479
then you have to reevaluate. But like I'm not, it's

2256
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,920
just it's a cop out, I guess, But it's just

2257
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:09,680
too early.

2258
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,199
Speaker 1: And nothing like Colin Sex didn't just have a year

2259
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:16,439
where he's averaging twenty five on this team, Like he

2260
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,279
could average like twenty five points if they played him enough, maybe.

2261
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:21,319
Speaker 2: Could as sure, of course, yeah he absolutely could.

2262
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,119
Speaker 1: Our final team is your team, and it's the Washington.

2263
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Okay, so the Wizards. Basically, it just you

2264
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,840
should have just put entire roster, I guess. Although Chris

2265
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:33,319
Middleston's on it now, so he's he's made it. Alex

2266
01:45:33,359 --> 01:45:37,479
aar Bla cool Bali bub Carrington, Keishon.

2267
01:45:37,239 --> 01:45:39,640
Speaker 1: George Jordan Poole Jordan Poole.

2268
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we're gonna talk

2269
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:43,279
about Colin Sexton and we gotta talk about Jordan Poole.

2270
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,319
Jared Butler would have made this list, but he's still

2271
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,239
Cory Kispert, who knows there could be a leap in there.

2272
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:56,239
This is at one and a half, and it's so

2273
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,600
many of these guys fall into the thing we're just

2274
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:02,239
talking about with George and Collier on the Jazz where

2275
01:46:03,079 --> 01:46:06,880
if you've played enough as a rookie to rate in

2276
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,560
some of these like cherry picked groups of guys that

2277
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,119
are like the worst to ever this, or like the

2278
01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:17,439
highest turnover that, or like it's almost good just you

2279
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:19,520
know what I mean, It doesn't it's not like a

2280
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,079
deathnell for your career. So Sar being like a sub

2281
01:46:23,159 --> 01:46:26,199
forty percent shooter over the sample that he's played, and

2282
01:46:26,279 --> 01:46:28,479
like Bob Carrington being just the I don't know, is

2283
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:32,119
he's still like dead last in EPM. That's all. It

2284
01:46:32,399 --> 01:46:34,680
just shows that they're playing a lot, which again it's

2285
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,159
the Wizards and they're trying to lose. So I don't

2286
01:46:37,159 --> 01:46:40,119
know which way that cuts one and a half. Dan,

2287
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:44,720
I'm going under while acknowledging that cool Bali is still

2288
01:46:45,239 --> 01:46:48,119
one of my favorite young players in the league, and Sar,

2289
01:46:48,319 --> 01:46:51,079
at least lately. We talked about him a little bit

2290
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:53,560
a few weeks ago, like I get it now, like

2291
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:57,159
I understand the theory of SAR. If it were point five,

2292
01:46:57,199 --> 01:46:59,239
it'd being over. I just I don't know. I'm not

2293
01:46:59,359 --> 01:47:00,760
confident enough that we're gonna get two.

2294
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,079
Speaker 1: So I look at as much as I love Koula Bali,

2295
01:47:04,119 --> 01:47:07,640
I look at Sars the given for me and this

2296
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,079
is you mentioned cherry picked, and this is cherry picked.

2297
01:47:10,399 --> 01:47:13,439
But the baseline feels so modest that when I saw

2298
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,960
the results, I was like, oh, so here's everybody. This

2299
01:47:17,079 --> 01:47:20,560
isn't rookies, grant, this is just anyone to average three assists,

2300
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,920
one made three and two blocks per thirty six minutes

2301
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:27,119
as the benchmarks at least hitting those Victor Wimen Yama,

2302
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,479
Chet Holmgren, Joelle Embiid, Anthony Davis, and Marcus Sohl. And

2303
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,199
so I looked at that, I was like, oh, and like,

2304
01:47:34,279 --> 01:47:37,079
he's gotten more efficient even around the basket too. And

2305
01:47:37,239 --> 01:47:40,079
we even when he was at his worst or his adear,

2306
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:42,800
we kind of understood the theory of him on defense,

2307
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:44,760
so I almost look at him as a given. And

2308
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:46,399
so then it comes down to how much do you

2309
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,439
like these younger guys. I love Koula Bali, but I

2310
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:53,239
also do sort of feel that offensively there's a really

2311
01:47:53,319 --> 01:47:56,079
low floor there if you're not gonna use him properly

2312
01:47:56,199 --> 01:47:58,640
or force him to engage in the volume. But I

2313
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,159
really like bubbcare Rington too. Like that is, I know

2314
01:48:02,279 --> 01:48:05,600
people kind of bemoan the rim pressure or lack thereof.

2315
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,720
I mean, I don't care, like there's just that guy

2316
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,680
can manage the game, get to his spots, hit pull ups,

2317
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,000
and I think just based off his size, he's gonna

2318
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end up being somewhat good Defensively. I'm gonna take the

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over here. I don't feel great about, Like if you

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ranked all the overs we took, I don't know how

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good I would feel relative to that. But I'm gonna

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because I believe in Alex Sar, I'm gonna make the

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bet on Koulabali or Carrington specifically making an All Star

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Game before their careers are over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just fall in the middle where

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I like Sar and Kouli Bali. I think one of

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them will make an All Star game, and I don't

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know who it is, and I I just saying both.

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I guess Carrington is the wild card here because like then,

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it's just well, there's like, can two out of the

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three do it? It's really tough, great line, really really

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really tough.

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Speaker 1: Though. We did it all thirty teams in under two hours,

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which anyone who's new around these parts, that's a capslock

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accomplishment for this duo. Grant, do you have anything to

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add about this exercise or are you ready to take

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us out of here?

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Speaker 2: I just want to reconsider. No, I think we should

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probably call it.

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Speaker 1: Well back to the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 2: Discussion about Now, let's superverse alphabetical order. With all we've

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learned and started up.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how much we forgot and see if we

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did this reverse alphabetical order right now if our over

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unders would line up with what our over unders just were.

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Speaker 2: No chance. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Please remember,

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if you're watching this on YouTube, subscribe there, leave us

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some comments. Let us know the three and D players

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that were All Stars that we could not remember. That

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would be very helpful because our brains don't work anymore.

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What else, make sure Wherever you're listening, you're leaving reviews,

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you're giving five stars, you're subscribed, make sure you're getting

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downloads all that good stuff. Join our discord links for

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that in YouTube and podcast description. I think that's going

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to cover it. Thanks everybody, enjoy the enjoy the All

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Star break I know I will, and the shouts Frank

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Mila Keina, who got to mention this episode several mentions

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inorganically because he was relative All Star conversation.

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Speaker 1: How is he not going to get mentioned?

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Speaker 2: An apologies to Jared Allen, who we pointed out has

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been an All Star