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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Angie?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm very inspired by this book

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because I grew up in the state of Montana, and

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I got to tell you, when they took out the

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name Custer at Custer Battlefield, I knew that life was

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going to change for people around the world. And then

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to pick up your book, all I see is violence.

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This is amazing in the way of taking a story

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and educating a new generation because we cannot go back there.

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It's got to be about growing forward. But in order

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to grow forward, we have to know where we've been.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that in totality. I'm trained as

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a historian and I'm a mother, so I wanted to

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make something engaging for my children.

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Speaker 1: Essentially, what did you feel inside your heart? Was it

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influenced by an elder? Because I mean, this is a

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book about a war for land, identity justice. I mean,

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there's something going on here, but at the same time,

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inside my heart and it's because of my love for

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the soil of Montana, I just feel like there's still

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something missing. What did you feel in doing this and

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how can we identify that.

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Speaker 2: I was told the story by Cheyenne elder, and for me,

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it was bringing forth that knowledge because that's sort of

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you know, that's hidden knowledge that's not in the public domain.

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And so I feel by sharing it, we're all able

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to connect to it. And that's going to be the

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way forward, right is acknowledging what happened, integrating it, and

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moving towards, you know, a sense of community.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about talking with a Cheyenne elder,

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were you down in Wyoming or were you up there

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around the prior mountains of Montana? When you when you

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sat down.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was actually out at a feast held.

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Speaker 2: By the Musklam which is on the northwest coast of Canada,

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and there is a whole gathering of elders and so

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they have these little gatherings, well I'm not going to

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say little. They have these like pretty magnificent gatherings all

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over North America and you get invited to them.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, continue, No, no, what happened?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because I mean it's for you to be

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able to sit down with an elder. Blows me away

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because the last time I was with Chief John George,

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I mean he looked at me and he goes, why

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why why? He says, I need to have the young

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ones of this generation to be able to tell the story.

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And did you run into a why and have to

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explain what you were up to, Angie?

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Speaker 2: No, So I'm engaging this as well. So I'm originally

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from the Northwest Territories and they identified me from a

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very young age as a wisdom keeper, and so this

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information is shared with me very openly. And so one

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of the elders that also kind of took me under

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his wing was the co Dayevish carver or Simon Charlie.

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And so I'm actually carved on the bottom of a

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couple of totem polls.

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Speaker 3: As a will folding a copper tablet.

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Speaker 2: That's a huge honor, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because because to me it is it's passing the generation forward.

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And I love that you went through that experience because

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without it, we've lost a major chunk of what this

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nation is all about, or what this land is all about.

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Because you dive into so many subjects here that really

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involved almost two hundred years of history.

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Speaker 2: It was complex and very intricate to put together. But

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we're essentially dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Multi generational trauma, and so, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I think it was a dishonor to just focus

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on one area because.

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Speaker 3: It reverberates through time and we're still.

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Speaker 2: Dealing you know, we're still we're still obviously dealing with

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this history as impacting our present situation.

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Speaker 1: How did you deal with what your book was bringing forward?

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Because there it took me a long time to get

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through Buried at Wounded Knee because I was having some

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some real big heart problems in the way of I

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wanted to have empathy, passion, compassion for the warriors, for

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the people of the land, and man, those people that

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invaded it didn't think like I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: I think, like, like experiencing the grief of what has transpired,

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you're ultimately, you know, you're experiencing unconditional love, and that's

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a universal experience that's irregardless of ethnicity, race, Like that's

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something we can all come together, like we all want

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a quality of life that's reflective of love. And so

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I wanted to make it acceptable to anyone, not just

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you know, not from this like really but we But

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at the same time, I wanted to bring forth the

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truth because it would do a huge dishonor so the

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information shared with me, not to ground it in facts.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, you're doing it. You're doing a great job

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of d because I mean, the world of TikTok has

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embraced you in a way, and I can't help us

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sit here and smile and really get involved in it,

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because I mean, you're reaching people that probably had no idea,

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but they're willing to change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's you know. By making it accessible

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and we have this shared experience, we can you know,

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we honor what happened, we can move forward because your

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perception is changed, and you know, I would like that

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change to be.

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Speaker 3: For everyone's highest good, not just the indigenous people.

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Speaker 1: So now, who is Little Wolf And why is it

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growing up in the state of Montana and being up

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in the Pacific Northwest? Why is it? This was not

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in my history books and we're talking about it right now.

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Speaker 2: So Little Wolf was a fictional character loosely faced off

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of different accounts of the Battle of Washida, or I

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guess it's not really a battle, the massacre of Wasshida.

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So what happened was General Custer snuck up on a

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sleeping Cheyenne camp and they, you know, they they murdered

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them all for most of them, and those that they

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didn't murder were you know, a handful of women and children,

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and the women they've been beautiful. So they took them

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back to the camp and they essentially raped them. And

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so you know from that Custer brought forth illegitimate child

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outside of his marriage.

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Speaker 3: With the chief's daughter.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to incorporate that in.

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Speaker 3: The story because that's actual, but.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to use actual character that had been

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there because of the gravity of that situation.

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Speaker 3: But through through my archival research.

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Speaker 2: You know, it does appear that a Cheyenne female warrior

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murdered killed General Custer on the battlefield.

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Speaker 3: And so that was a story that was told to

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me by the Cheyenne elder, but he didn't have a

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name for her.

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Speaker 1: Boy that sure doesn't match that picture when you go

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to the Battle of the Little Big Horn National Monument,

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does it, And it certainly does not.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, it's really interesting because that's you know,

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it's pretty apocalyistic for the Indigenous people at the end

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of the nineteenth century, and so they're kind of face

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they're getting relocated, they're being forced to see their land

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and to see.

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Speaker 3: You know, us the land is sacred is something that's

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an integral part of our culture, identity, or society.

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Speaker 2: We lived off the land, and so to move is

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being to lose everything. And so not only were they

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moving them, but they're forcing them onto reservations, where then

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they're completely dependent on the government for everything. So this

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does end up eventually happening. And so then you know,

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you have one hundred years.

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Speaker 3: Of subjugation through these reservations.

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Speaker 2: And then they take the children and they place them

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in the United States to call them boarding schools. And

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then in the nineteen fifties they start.

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Speaker 3: Shutting down and.

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Speaker 2: Trying to force people off the reservations and into urban environments.

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So you have like a seventy.

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Speaker 3: Percent relocation of Indigenous people.

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Speaker 2: Into urban environments with the education they received in residential

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and boarding schools or a lower standard of what everyone

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else is receiving. So and then they pulled all the

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resources and so that's where you have the American Indian Movement,

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which I tied.

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Speaker 3: Into the story.

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Speaker 1: See, you're bringing all of this history together into one

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where we have a full picture of what's going on. Now,

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I'm going to ask a question and you can tell

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me to take this out and I will. And that

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question is when you talk about how they're taking them

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off from the areas that they lived and try to

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incorporate them into the public. Right away, my mind goes, well,

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look at what they're doing today. They're giving them casinos

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and they're thinking we lived happily ever after. That is

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not true. There's no way. And that's why we need

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books like this that say wake up, it's still going

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on and we need to have people come together to

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help as a community.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that again in totality like that, where

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I'm from the best territories, there's no casinos.

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Speaker 3: There's very little resources, and there's a lot of poverty.

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Speaker 2: And with this, we're overrepresented in every category presently, you know,

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in substance abuse, domestic violence, sexual violence, like you know,

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Indigenous women are going missing in North America.

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Speaker 3: At unprecedented levels. Nobody investigates it.

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Speaker 1: Now you're going into an area that I've I have

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done so many conversations over the past two to three

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years on this and I and I and it's gonna

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it's got to get bigger and bigger and bigger. First

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of all, let's identify the book. All I see is

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the violence. And when you say that it is getting worse,

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there is a huge thing that is unspoken in this

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nation right now, the disappearance of Indigenous women. And it's like, oh, well, okay,

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and then nobody's doing anything about it, but yet it's

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happening over and over again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and you know often when they do find

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the women, they've been brutaling the it so as an

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Indigenous woman, that's obviously, and I'm a mother of daughters

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and I'm an auntie of lots of nieces, and you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, like when I go.

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Speaker 2: Home, that's the biggest grievance airs to me, is like

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how dangerous it is to be an Indigenous woman. And

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you can see that this is this tone is set

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historically by what they did to the Indigenous women, the

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United States armies, and so you know, there's this disregard

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for human.

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Speaker 3: Life and it's you know, it's it's it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: Happening at this point in time, Like we.

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Speaker 3: Should all be enlightened enough that.

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Speaker 2: Every live matters.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that you or your family members

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can handle when you're watching a movie that's on a

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big screen or a flat screen and there's an Indigenous

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woman that's part of a story that's in the community,

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and it's like, you know, it's it's like a martial

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artist trying to watch a martial artist movie. That's not

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really how it goes on. And I have a feeling

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that's what movies are for you as well as that

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it's like that that's not true, that's not the way

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that it really went down.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with that as well, Like there's a

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grotesque misrepresentation. Wow, And it's you know, and like I

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where I come from.

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Speaker 3: So my mother was forcibly taken and sent a.

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Speaker 2: Residential school and she was abused there, and so then

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I was forcibly taken from my mother and placed into

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social services. So like to contend with what we have

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to contend with as Indigenous people to make it where

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I've made it, like, it's it's incredibly challenging. So you

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Speaker 3: Have a delusion of any voice.

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Speaker 2: And to go into the arts, like as an indigenous person,

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Speaker 3: Was challenging too.

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Speaker 2: And so I started out, you know, in university and

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I was you know, I have degrees in creative writing,

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English literature and Indigenous history.

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Speaker 3: And so for me, like the truth was very freeing,

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you know, kind of getting.

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Speaker 3: A broader picture.

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Speaker 2: And one of the schools I attended was in England.

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Speaker 2: And to just get a broader sense of you know, this.

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Speaker 3: Kind of shared experience of humanity.

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Speaker 1: So how what was your reaction with the Martin Scorsese

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movie from about a year a year and a half

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ago when it when it came to telling the story

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of the Mid American Native Americans or the or the

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or the different groups of people, Because because that opened

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up my eyes to where there was money in the soil,

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money was to be made, but by God, there were

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people on the outside that wanted to get in there

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and change history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had the same like I.

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Speaker 2: I liked it, Like I there was I thought a

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few shortcomings. I think it would have been better if

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they had, you know, the female characters were stronger, yes,

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and more.

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Speaker 3: Essential to the story.

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Speaker 2: But I mean that's I mean, that's Martin Scorsese magnificent.

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it was shot beautifully. They pulled it together nicely. Flowers,

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what is that, Killer Flower, Killers of the Flower.

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Speaker 1: Move, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so that was a fantastic book written by the

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journalists who research it, like like the thorough research and

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a very you know, comprehensive view of what transpired there.

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Speaker 3: But also the Cherokee were very wealthy.

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Speaker 2: Like many of these tribes when they started dissecting them

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and going after them, had like you know, they had written.

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Speaker 3: Languages, they had multi story.

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Speaker 2: Buildings, they had complex social systems. Like it's it's not

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it's not like they portray it, sort of like almost

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like some sort of like degenerate being that they were attacking,

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and like they did them a favor.

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Speaker 3: They didn't. They took them down a notch. They took

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all of us down a notch.

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Speaker 4: Please do not move. We'll be back with Angie Alida

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Newell coming up next. The name of the book. All

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I See is violence. From Angie A Leita Newall. In

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holding the book and really getting into the story. There

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are two different sides of this that I'm feeling. Number One,

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you know, you sat down with a with an elder

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from the Cheyenne Nation, which which is unbelievable that that

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they they're speaking with you so openly. And number two,

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I always I can't help but feel like that that

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you were chosen to do this. The medicine man came

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to you because they knew that what you would do

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with your words would help heal people. If you know

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where I'm going with this. So it's it's it's almost

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like you're on two sides there and you're helping out

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the families in so many different directions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think they saw that in me

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because I you know, that's just my nature. I can

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pass people like that's not that's not.

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Speaker 3: The way forward.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's and and so that's a real

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tradition within indigenous communities, like they identify a children's strengths

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like quite young, and then they sort of mentor.

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Speaker 3: Them in that direction. And so in all I see violence,

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like when I got into how.

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Speaker 2: Warriors kind of manifested like these these individuals are trained

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from about seven eight onwards. Yep, yeah, because men and

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women and so what was interesting as well? So the

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women are sort of you know, omitted from history because

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the United States Army didn't like that they were being

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invested by females, and because you know, we're talking at

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the late eighteen hundreds is a very different world view.

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Speaker 3: Than today, and so they.

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Speaker 2: Fought in a different manner as well to compensate for

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size and strings.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that the History Channel has really

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really dove into is is basically true crime. Do you

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see this story as being a moment where it's like, Okay,

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admit it, true crime did take place here. We need

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to uncover it and keep talking about it and keep

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it out here in our conversation.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely, Yeah. I love the History Channel, So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure that somehow got into my zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: So where can people go to find out more about

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what you're doing, Angie, because there's got to be a

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lot of groups that are coming together that say, look,

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this is unbelievable. Let's let's keep this growing.

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Speaker 2: I you can find me on my website at Angieleidaneuell

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dot com, and I'm on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: At Angie Leidaneuwell.

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Speaker 2: And I did.

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Speaker 3: I am being acknowledged for my work.

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Speaker 2: I was the recipient of this year's IBBA Award, which

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is formerly known as the Benjamin Franklin Book Awards.

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Speaker 1: So do you find yourself putting this books at these

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at these at the National Monument museums, because I would

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love to go into the Battle of the Little Bighorn

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and see your book in there.

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Speaker 2: No, I've never even thought of that, but thank you,

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I will contact them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean because this time of year,

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especially here in the Carolinas, there's also a lot of

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festivals of the horizon as well, you know, when it

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comes to the seasons that are taking place right now,

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we're celebrating the harvest. So I mean it's like that's

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where your book needs to be, is where the people

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are and where a lot of newbies or wannabes are

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stepping into the circle learning, wanting to learn even more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think this book's

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a good place to start because it's accessible, it's engaging,

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it's factual, like you can I do archival research for my.

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Speaker 3: Novels, which isn't required because.

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Speaker 2: I'm in fiction that it took me about two years

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of archival research as well as the foundation of indigenous

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elder stories before I proceeded, so I could give an

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annotated bibliography.

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Speaker 1: What was the total animal that your mother or your

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grandfather gave you? Or basically, you know when you were

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given birth and then did it change as you grew

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through the years.

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Speaker 2: I was given the eagle at birth, and then I

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was given the wolf as well, so I'd been.

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Speaker 3: The combination of the eagle and the wolf. So those

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are some of the most powerful turt of animals you

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can be gifted.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's land in sky. And you know

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with the wolf, I mean, a silent wolf is somebody

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who stands back in watches, observes, activates, and then brings change.

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Speaker 2: So what's the elder that gave me the wolf? He

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told me, he said a.

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Speaker 3: Wolf can change the course of a river.

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Speaker 2: And so what a wolf can do right by attacking prey,

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it can actually change like how a river goes.

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Speaker 1: God, it's so fascinating this, I mean, this is such

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my book and it's it's like, how do we get

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this book out there for other people to embrace it

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as well? And see because there's such an experience here

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and I just I just can't thank you enough for

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bringing it to us in the language that you have,

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because I can feel your energy in those paragraphs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. I went. I ended up

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partnering with the independent publisher Green Press. So what you're

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reading is like, that's my work. And so if you

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do go with a bigger publisher, they have the right

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to change your work and you don't.

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Speaker 3: Choose the cover as well.

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Speaker 2: So I worked with the graphic artist Neil Gonzalez, and

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we came up with the cover together. So what you're

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seeing on it, the skulln Hydrans is actually sitting Bull

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who was murdered at Wounded Me massacre.

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Speaker 1: You just brought up Wounded Me that you know that

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those of us that know of that, we just took

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a second breath. There we went. You know, it's like,

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oh my god, Now let me ask you this question.

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Only in the way of marketing the book, will there

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be a place because there had to have been some

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sort of spiritual tools used in bringing this book forward

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to protect you to feel like that you were safe

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to field, because I mean, because I have I have

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walking sticks, I have different spiritual tools inside this studio.

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And it's all because when you really truly study the

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purpose of why people sat down to create these, then

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then you understand that even the dream catcher is not

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about purifying your dreams. I don't know why they go there.

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Speaker 2: I just worked with like a couple different elders to

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guide me through the process to make sure we were

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anchored in a higher understanding that it didn't and they

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just they perform ceremonies around me.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you are in such a blessed place, and I

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cannot wait to have a conversation with you again in

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the future because I just love where you're growing. Are

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you working on a second book, another chapter of this history?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: How are you working your words? Because you've now set

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this free.

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Speaker 2: I am going to the apaches. I am right now

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in the middle of a narrative about Geronimo. The medicine

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woman lows in and the medicine man not still climb.

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And so we have a couple of the same characters

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that made it through the Battle Little Bighorn, like General Krook,

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who you know he fought at the Battle of the Rosebud,

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which is a few days.

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Speaker 3: Before Little Bayhorn so he wasn't at Little Bigcorn, so.

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Speaker 2: He lived to see another day. But he gets sent

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down to bring.

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Speaker 3: In Geronimo, who has a thirty year standoff with the

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US military.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, you bring up the Battle of

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the Little Big Horn and right away I'm taking to

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the greasy grass which is throughout the state of Wyoming,

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and that that how important the land was to the

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people that lived on that soil. And it's like you're

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You're stirring up so many memories and those of us

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that have walked those trails.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's extraordinary, Like we need.

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Speaker 2: To remember like where where our roots are?

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, that that's what it's all about. But now

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how you know light Like John George told me, and

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that was how do you get the younger generation to

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tell the story like you? So, how do you inspire

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those younger people to pick up their writing instrument and

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get that story growing about their family?

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Speaker 2: I'm not too sure. Hopefully they're just inspired. I can

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actually see just shrowing different people who have contacted you

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that I that I didn't know previous to them engaging

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with my book, that they're starting to you know, it's

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sparking like oh maybe I should tell this story. And

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so I think it's just opening the door and seeing

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what comes through.

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Speaker 3: But someone had to open the door, and that's a

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hard door to open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because Angie, the one thing that I've learned in

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sharing stories and talking with authors and stuff like that

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there's such a big push right now in this country

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to get readers to see themselves.

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Speaker 4: On those pages.

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Speaker 1: There aren't too many stories about Native Americans out there

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right now, and a book like this at least opens

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the door to where people can say, Okay, this is

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where we were, where can we grow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that as well.

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Speaker 2: Again, like it's you know, there aren't like the US

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military and government switched to a policy of extermination as

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they get frustrated with their failure of relocation. So like

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our numbers are way population wise, like they managed to

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murder a lot, So there's not many Indigenous people to

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begin with in comparison to the rest of the population.

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incredibly challenged. So I hope myself and my work inspire

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other people and challenging circumstances to know that you can.

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You just gotta keep going, Like Moggason's on the floor.

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People like keep going forward.

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Speaker 1: When you speak of moving around like that. That's one

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of the things that a lot of people do not

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understand is that it was a moving around situation. Because

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cro Nation came traveling through this area, and they relied

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on the arrows of the people that were living here

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in order to survive because they didn't know how to

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make the arrows out of the soil down here in

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the South. So therefore, I mean, and that would be

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such a wonderful book. How did people survive by using

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another nation's tools in order to keep growing forward?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually pretty amazing when you do get into

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that sort of information, Like the adaptation of technology by

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indigenous people is astounding, even how they became mounted on

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horses and started using gun, and the mastery that they

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had of those two things was far superior to that

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of the military they were up against.

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Speaker 1: Well, they always said that the Crow Nation was absolutely

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the best when it came to riding horses. My god,

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and then when you see it happening, it's like, oh, yeah,

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they got that down right, And.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really fascinating too, like like the crow people,

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like all the nations that were mounted the Apoche to

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see the Cheyenne, Like.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have stables, so they just like truckted.

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Speaker 2: The horse where hang out, and they.

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Speaker 3: All had whistles for their horses, and the horse would

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just come.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, like my dog doesn't even listen that.

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Speaker 1: Well, now, when you talk about your next book being

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about the Apache, you know, Hollywood has totally destroyed that

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picture they have. Hollywood has its own image of who

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the Apache is. So I'm very excited about you going

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to do this because it's going to open our eyes

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and give us a clearer picture of the true history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It it was actually challenging to get through those

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recurs or even set like even for myself, I had to.

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Speaker 3: And so the Apache, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 2: Lively Q and I'm from the Northwest Territories, but that's

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the broader name for that.

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Speaker 3: Is Danny, and so like.

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Speaker 2: The Apaches are like our cousins. So this is this

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is very exciting. Near Tay for me is.

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Speaker 3: Like coming home.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get over to the Prior mountains to

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study the wild animals over there? Because I've always believed

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that is the closest thing to where we once stood

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in this nation as a people, is the fact that

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it is still so wild there and that you know,

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I mean, because that's where a lot of people went

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to get their horses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, in twenty twenty two, we drove across the United States.

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So I'm a mother and two daughters, and we used

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to do homeschool in their formative years, and we traveled

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all through the country and it's just magnificent. And so

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we had a travel trailer and we just we went

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into some really rural, like just spectacular places.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And so I got to travel through the mountains of

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Geronimo as well, and that was when I was still

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gathering information.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Wow.

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Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in

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the future. There's there's just not enough time here. And

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the more more we have conversations, the more we can

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create conversations for others to start sharing.

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Speaker 3: I would love to thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today and thank you for all

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I see is violence. Do not judge this book by

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its cover. Go into it and learn something and see

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where we are and how we can become even a

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stronger group of people as a community.

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Speaker 2: I wish. I wrote that on my cover jacket.

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Speaker 4: Thank you be brilliant today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, thank you so much