Speaker 1: Bulky it's episode twenty one. Oh we've done twenty one
Speaker 1: of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, holy cow right, I know time flies when you
Speaker 2: remember when we bet, when we used to memorize, like
Speaker 2: we knew okay, the first one we did was a
Speaker 2: final destination like you had, and like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: at some point, I'm like, I can't remember. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's long gone. That happened to me with Super Bowls. Honestly, like,
Speaker 2: there was a time when I could have gone from
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, the year I was born, all the
Speaker 2: way up until like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen without
Speaker 2: even thinking. It was basically like my alphabet. I was
Speaker 2: like bam bam, bam, bam bam, last seven or eight
Speaker 2: years now. And now I'm like, I know Kansas City
Speaker 2: was in there a couple of times. Yeah, But like
Speaker 2: it it's once you get long enough, man, it becomes hazy.
Speaker 3: I I yeah, I used to have a memorized yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I think right around when Brady's dominence started,
Speaker 3: then I kind of lost track, Yeah, because I mean, like,
Speaker 3: the human brain can only take so much and then
Speaker 3: after a while you have to forget stuff to learn
Speaker 3: new stuff.
Speaker 2: You know that's what they just just that's how it works,
Speaker 2: since what they tell me twenty one episodes in Bulk,
Speaker 2: And I think I can finally say and I will say,
Speaker 2: I'll have some nice things to say about this, okay,
Speaker 2: And I think we finally found our first clunker of
Speaker 2: the bunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I told I was taking my buddy Stirfry at work
Speaker 3: today and I said, I think this is going to
Speaker 3: get my lowest rating of now that I know that
Speaker 3: this is the twenty first rating that we've given out,
Speaker 3: this will.
Speaker 1: Probably be my lowest. I think that.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about the twenty twenty four film It's
Speaker 3: What's Inside. Yes, this is directed and written by Greg Jardin,
Speaker 3: who I should probably have done some research on this guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he has done since then or before. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll get to that though, I promise, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: And basically the film is featuring eight friends roughly yeah thereabouts, yeah.
Speaker 3: And essentially one of these friends they all get together
Speaker 3: ahead of one of their I head the night before
Speaker 3: one of them is getting married. They're all college friends
Speaker 3: or whatever, and they're all in like their mid to
Speaker 3: late twenties. Now they get together and one of them
Speaker 3: has this device that allows them to essentially their consciousness
Speaker 3: switch bodies. So Friend A's conscious goes into friend Bee's body,
Speaker 3: Friend's Be's consciousness goes into friends C's body, you know,
Speaker 3: and their flip flop. And it starts off as a
Speaker 3: game like, oh, let's guess who's who here, and then
Speaker 3: there's the development the madness ensues when something crazy happens,
Speaker 3: and then you know, we'll try not to explain away everything.
Speaker 3: My biggest issue with this film.
Speaker 1: I think I know what it is, but hit me
Speaker 1: with it. It took me.
Speaker 3: It took like forty five minutes roughly for anything to happen.
Speaker 3: There was a ton of exposition, and I understand like
Speaker 3: you probably needed some of that. I don't think you
Speaker 3: needed all of it. There was a lot of just
Speaker 3: kind of like I don't know if it was if
Speaker 3: they're trying to set you up to get comfortable and
Speaker 3: familiar and see what's going to happen, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden things just kind of turn on its ear.
Speaker 3: And because of the false sense of security that you
Speaker 3: were into in the first forty five to fifty minutes
Speaker 3: of the film is accentuated when this big event happens.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what happened. It just took
Speaker 1: so long. And I was.
Speaker 3: Watching this in the first I was like fifteen minutes in.
Speaker 3: And by the way, this is available on Netflix. Who
Speaker 3: recommended this film to you?
Speaker 1: Ben?
Speaker 2: My brother and I were bouncing movies off of one another,
Speaker 2: and we were both commenting on how lackluster this October
Speaker 2: has been in terms, so this came with a grain
Speaker 2: of salt. He said, I'm not saying this is the
Speaker 2: best thing I've seen, However, in a lackluster season, this
Speaker 2: is worth checking out.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 2: It's a cool idea. Yes, that has its moments. And
Speaker 2: I would argue, yes, it does, but there were a
Speaker 2: lot of shortcomings, and you hit on the one that
Speaker 2: stuck out to me.
Speaker 1: But go ahead.
Speaker 3: The final point I want to make before I turn
Speaker 3: it back to you. One of the things he told
Speaker 3: you that you told me For the first twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: you'd be like, I, let you're gonna think I led
Speaker 3: you down the wrong pathway. Yeah, like it's it's it's rough,
Speaker 3: but just just be patient wait for it. And I
Speaker 3: thought about that fifteen minutes in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, me too, just too.
Speaker 3: I would have turned it off honestly if we weren't
Speaker 3: doing it just it held zero interest. But it's the
Speaker 3: importance of like, you know, sticking around for the entire
Speaker 3: vision of the director, the entire vision of the writer,
Speaker 3: and we had to see what happens.
Speaker 1: So I'll let you. I mean, you and I both
Speaker 1: agreed too much exposition, too slow of a start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what else did you that's an understatement.
Speaker 2: I believe I paused it because, like you and I
Speaker 2: are anti spoiler, but to me, uh, driving forces of
Speaker 2: a movie aren't necessarily a spoiler. Like what we did
Speaker 2: Good Fortune, we were like the guy was hard on
Speaker 2: his luck and he switched lives with a billionaire and
Speaker 2: now you got to live as that and the billionaire
Speaker 2: had to live as him.
Speaker 1: It's kind of bizarre that we did those back to back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, weird, But like the reason it feels like
Speaker 2: a spoiler because I paused the movie and like I
Speaker 2: almost I'm not even afraid to say it, because it's
Speaker 2: in the description of the movie that it happens somebody
Speaker 2: dies while they're switching bodies, and that happens an hour
Speaker 2: and five minutes into an hour and forty five minute movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and to be honest with you, Balky, it was slow
Speaker 2: pacing leading up to that, and I think where this
Speaker 2: movie struggled was then on the other side, this group
Speaker 2: of lifelong friends turns on each other really quickly. Like
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, you say they turned on you, Really they turn
Speaker 3: on each other really quickly. Think about what's going on, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then think about the finality of what they're facing here.
Speaker 3: I mean I might turn on people pretty quickly then too. YEA, sure,
Speaker 3: you know, because I think that there's were these were
Speaker 3: serious high stakes, Yeah, are going on.
Speaker 1: It's it's very high stakes.
Speaker 2: But I guess I was putting myself in that position
Speaker 2: with my high school friends, the guys I've known since
Speaker 2: kindergarten where I was six years old, and one of
Speaker 2: us ends up biting it while we're in this position,
Speaker 2: and how the rest of us would be handling it,
Speaker 2: and immediately the dirt starts coming out on one another
Speaker 2: and they all start backstabbing one another, and it gets
Speaker 2: to some pretty high level stuff by the end of
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 1: What they're doing.
Speaker 3: I do think that there's a lot of selfishness exhibited
Speaker 3: by these characters. But if you look at you know
Speaker 3: who these people were. Instagram influencer, sure, trust fund baby,
Speaker 3: a guy who who really in many ways abuses his girlfriend,
Speaker 3: right yeah, emotionally, emotionally emotionally abuses are yeah, this is
Speaker 3: these are not great people, right No. And so to me, like,
Speaker 3: I get why they turned on each other because I
Speaker 3: don't think they were very wholesome to begin with. Quite frankly,
Speaker 3: the most wholesome person in this became sort of the
Speaker 3: most cutthroat towards the end, which I thought was kind
Speaker 3: of cool.
Speaker 2: It was actually the best part of the whole movie
Speaker 2: in my opinion, that that arc that that character went on.
Speaker 2: They even she uses lines towards the end of the
Speaker 2: movie that they kind of hint at towards the middle
Speaker 2: of the movie that like, and it was just done
Speaker 2: in a very well way. That was probably one of
Speaker 2: the only things that I truly came out of that
Speaker 2: is just mesmerized by. And I will say, and I realized,
Speaker 2: this is going to make me sound like a plebeian
Speaker 2: the kapleeb, like a commoner in terms of movies. But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to say this out loud. This is
Speaker 2: a thing that I've been thinking for over a decade.
Speaker 2: At this point. I used to say, when Walking Dad
Speaker 2: was in its prime, Yeah, I would say, how are
Speaker 2: movie studios going to go back to making zombie movies?
Speaker 2: Because now that I'm four years into this and I
Speaker 2: have this emotional connection to all these characters, how do
Speaker 2: you expect me to develop that kind of connection over
Speaker 2: the course of ninety minutes and then have no follow
Speaker 2: up after that?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And eventually, because the Marvel Cinematic Universe was kind of
Speaker 2: in its in its prepubestent stage, Disney hadn't even bought
Speaker 2: it yet, it became clear to me that shared universes
Speaker 2: was going to be the answer to that. Like, there
Speaker 2: is a reason to see this because it is part
Speaker 2: of a bigger thing, and it is worth coming out
Speaker 2: here to go and check out. They took an hour
Speaker 2: setting up these characters that I found myself not caring
Speaker 2: about any of them. Yeah, and it kind of was
Speaker 2: all of my problems with the way cinema was headed
Speaker 2: all rolled up into one movie. You had characters, the
Speaker 2: acting was fine. I thought that there were a couple
Speaker 2: of interesting character tropes that were in there, but like,
Speaker 2: why do I care about these people? The interesting part
Speaker 2: was the body switching, Like that was why I was here.
Speaker 2: It felt like I was watching Clue. Towards the end,
Speaker 2: it was awesome, Like I actually liked that part of it.
Speaker 2: I would have liked forty more minutes of that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff where people are bouncing back and forth and
Speaker 2: you have no concept. They focused too much on the
Speaker 2: interpersonal drama for a bunch of people that were never
Speaker 2: gonna hear from again, and like that is kind of
Speaker 2: where I struggle, And I realized there's gonna be movie
Speaker 2: people that hate that I said that, but that That's
Speaker 2: where I'm coming at this now.
Speaker 1: The argument there is that in.
Speaker 3: Order for us to truly appreciate, which I didn't because
Speaker 3: I was overwhelmed by all the bodies switching, to appreciate
Speaker 3: the something people, you have to know the people. You
Speaker 3: have to know their their their language, the way they speak.
Speaker 3: And and I will say this talk about the acting
Speaker 3: was fine. I thought the acting was.
Speaker 1: Really really good because these characters had these actors had
Speaker 1: to play the same character as as other actors in
Speaker 1: the movie, right, so you know some of these you know,
Speaker 1: the these eight people, they all played a minimum of
Speaker 1: of two different characters.
Speaker 2: Because there were two rounds of the game. Yea more
Speaker 2: people and then some of them pretend to be other people.
Speaker 3: That was the other thing that, Yeah, that was the
Speaker 3: twist at the end. I thought was pretty cool too.
Speaker 3: The but you could see I think it was Forbes
Speaker 3: when when he was being played by the actor playing
Speaker 3: Forbes in this.
Speaker 1: Movie, this is going to be so confused.
Speaker 3: The actor playing Forbes in this movie was switched into
Speaker 3: another character's body. No, yeah, well, okay, it's too confusing.
Speaker 3: There's a scene where they're in like some sort of.
Speaker 1: Greenhouse. It was a greenhouse, sure, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the acting by the character by by the fore
Speaker 3: the actor playing Forbes, Yeah, okay, I thought was brilliant
Speaker 3: of how he was playing this other character, because you know,
Speaker 3: even though it was only like an hour, even though
Speaker 3: it was only an hour, you kind of develop, like, okay,
Speaker 3: the mannerisms and the way that they speak and talk
Speaker 3: and move around.
Speaker 1: I could see that. Yeah, And I started to see
Speaker 1: it in other characters as well. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some then I started picking up on like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, because you the audience is they're playing a
Speaker 3: game to guess who's who, right, yes, and we're kind
Speaker 3: of playing that as well, right, and so to be
Speaker 3: tipped off. I don't want to say the exposition was needed,
Speaker 3: like all that setup was needed, but it did help
Speaker 3: in those moments.
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 2: I actually texted you while I was watching the movie,
Speaker 2: and I, oh, you did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was just a text that just said, there's way
Speaker 2: too many characters in this Yeah, there were too many characters.
Speaker 2: Yees watching the way that it was all unfolding, and
Speaker 2: I was paying attention, like I was into it and
Speaker 2: had been recommended. And it's a Sundance Film Festival film,
Speaker 2: which is not a guarantee of quality, but I do
Speaker 2: give that a little bit of credence when I hear
Speaker 2: that it comes from there, because I tend to like
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. You definitely get the most unique
Speaker 2: ideas out of that. It's just i'll tell you, you
Speaker 2: and I watch stuff that isn't necessarily four hour demographic,
Speaker 2: like I'm willing to skew younger. I mean, comic book
Speaker 2: movies are for fourteen year olds. It just so happens
Speaker 2: that we enjoy them as well, and that's absolutely fine.
Speaker 1: Oh they're for fourteen year olds.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, for all, that's just it there
Speaker 2: for anybody, her perpetual for team, and there we go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this time though, it was a little different. Like I
Speaker 2: always say, there's a difference between watching Batman and watching
Speaker 2: Spider Man. When I'm watching Spider Man, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: feel a little older than the demographic for this movie, yep.
Speaker 2: Whereas watching Batman, I'm like, no, this is for me,
Speaker 2: even though it's a movie about a guy dressing up
Speaker 2: as a bat punching people at night, right, Like, I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: this is for me. This has an edge to it
Speaker 2: that I'm okay with. This is one of those movies
Speaker 2: and even dealt in problems and not to minimize it.
Speaker 2: Like there's an idea about like poor an addiction in
Speaker 2: this movie that wasn't Like I'm sure there's people in
Speaker 2: my life that I'm unaware that are addicted to it,
Speaker 2: but like it's not a thing that we grew up on,
Speaker 2: Whereas if you graduated from high school two or three
Speaker 2: years ago, I think this is a much more prevalent
Speaker 2: idea in the circles that you run with.
Speaker 3: There was a Sturfry was telling me he thought that
Speaker 3: the whole first hour was just all, He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's just gen Z a millennial talk. Yeah, you know, yes,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, dude, aren't you a millennial And
Speaker 3: he's like yeah, And even I didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Because elder millennial is different. I was talking about that
Speaker 2: outside the Box today. I was like, I spent half
Speaker 2: my life without a cell phone. We had one computer
Speaker 2: in the house. I didn't spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: on the internet. Like, even though the internet was around
Speaker 2: and video games were around, video games kind of sucked.
Speaker 2: It was Nintendo and Sega.
Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, I didn't have a phone. I mean,
Speaker 3: we had a landline, we had one computer and no
Speaker 3: video game system.
Speaker 2: There you go exactly, So like there is even though
Speaker 2: your millennials, like I felt old watching this revie, like
Speaker 2: that's the best way that I not that that's a
Speaker 2: bad thing, but I'm saying it was definitely in my
Speaker 2: mind while I was watching this. A lot of their problems,
Speaker 2: a lot of the back and forth and uh, I'll
Speaker 2: but just on a personal level, I never have respect
Speaker 2: for the plots, Like I'm very much as a man
Speaker 2: who's been perpetually single as soon as it really like
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, I don't need to deal with this.
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of relationship trauma in this
Speaker 2: movie that I'm like, Okay, then go see somebody else,
Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about here? And I realized
Speaker 2: not everyone's wired that way, but that those kind of
Speaker 2: plots they feel younger, it feels a little more immature.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of that was I was sitting
Speaker 2: there watching. Honestly, I was thinking about you because I
Speaker 2: feel like I am more immature than you are, and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there like, oh, if I feel this way,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what balk you know.
Speaker 1: Like it did.
Speaker 3: It did open up possibilities like when you're because there
Speaker 3: is a lot of I don't want to say sexual
Speaker 3: tension between some of these characters, but there was. I mean,
Speaker 3: these these were longtime friends, you know, friends that had
Speaker 3: been ostensibly friends since college, right, and I'm assuming they're
Speaker 3: right about to turn thirty rough, So so this is
Speaker 3: like this is I think it was literally eight years
Speaker 3: after you know, they had they had you know last
Speaker 3: I don't say last seen each other, but last we're
Speaker 3: at college together. Sure, And so there was some you
Speaker 3: know potential, you know, failed hookups, you know where one
Speaker 3: person wanted it the other person didn't. At the time,
Speaker 3: there was two people wanted it, but they couldn't make
Speaker 3: it happen for whatever reason. And so then when you
Speaker 3: can switch bodies all of a sudden, like, hey, are
Speaker 3: we cheating? Are we not cheating because I'm in a
Speaker 3: different body. Yeah, and you're in a different body, and
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, so I think that opens up,
Speaker 3: you know, questions from a lot of audience members, like
Speaker 3: what would you do in that scenario?
Speaker 1: You know, which I just ride it out. Personally, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have played.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, okay, let's get I definitely wouldn't have played
Speaker 2: a second time.
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't have played a first time, No way,
Speaker 3: no way in hell. This weird guy and the setup
Speaker 3: for Forbes, yeah, you know, and like sort of like
Speaker 3: and he's the creepiest looking guy too.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it was distracting, actually how funny
Speaker 2: looking he was and we are bulky and I were
Speaker 2: not saying we're attractive people. I'm just saying he was
Speaker 2: so off putting.
Speaker 3: He was cast for a reason, yeah, I mean, clearly,
Speaker 3: but but but it opens up all these questions, what
Speaker 3: would you do in that scenario, you wouldn't have played
Speaker 3: the second time.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have messed around with it the first time.
Speaker 1: I even think peer pressure.
Speaker 3: I mean, granted, I'm forty five now, so peer pressure
Speaker 3: does not have the same effect on me and it
Speaker 3: was in my twenties, but I would have been like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what are we doing here, We're messing around, We're playing
Speaker 3: with fire, which playing with fire is usually make some
Speaker 3: pretty good films. And you knew that bad things were
Speaker 3: gonna happen. And honestly I mentioned this to you. I
Speaker 3: can't remember with maybe I mentioned it to you last week.
Speaker 3: A lot of this reminded me of the film, and
Speaker 3: maybe more so than than Good Fortune, the film Very Bad.
Speaker 1: Things, which I think I mentioned to you.
Speaker 3: Christian Slater, Yeah, Stern, yeh.
Speaker 1: Favreau.
Speaker 3: John Favreau is in that as well, where you know
Speaker 3: you're just having a good time, you're playing around, but
Speaker 3: when you play around with something serious, it has it
Speaker 3: could have significant consequences. And all these people's lives I think,
Speaker 3: I'm I don't think I'm being hyperbolic here. I think
Speaker 3: all these people's lives were changed.
Speaker 2: Oh after after this game, Yeah, and I found myself
Speaker 2: thinking because of course it's a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Inevitably, cops, I was gonna ask you, would you classify
Speaker 1: this as horror? Yeah, there wasn't. There wasn't any gore hardly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit one one little bit one part
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even really gory. I yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how.
Speaker 2: I I liked how they would do, like they would
Speaker 2: turn it into a red room and show you who's
Speaker 2: inside the person that echo features too.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they did that because there were times where
Speaker 3: I was lost. So if you were, if you're worried
Speaker 3: about getting confused on who's who, they have this obvious
Speaker 3: way of showing it to you where they they tinge
Speaker 3: it with what you call it a red room.
Speaker 1: That is that a no, no, that's just because they
Speaker 1: put a giant red light on the room.
Speaker 3: Everybody was and then so basically and yeah, this is
Speaker 3: not spoiling anything. Anytime you see the red light on
Speaker 3: these characters, you see who's really inside those bodies.
Speaker 2: So it kind of you And there's a sound distortion
Speaker 2: that I found a little bit a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I think if I weren't so numb to horror
Speaker 2: at this point, it might have been a little bit
Speaker 2: freakier to me. And I always have to ask myself
Speaker 2: if I were fourteen, how would I be handling this?
Speaker 1: Who are you in this movie? Who were you? You
Speaker 1: do remember the characters? That's just it.
Speaker 2: I think none of them were memorable enough for me
Speaker 2: to be like, oh this, this is definitely the person
Speaker 2: that I would recognize myself as. And like, I've never
Speaker 2: been particularly like I'm a pretty good boyfriend. I'm not
Speaker 2: a trust fund baby like I'm not. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: probably the closest thing I'd be is either Shelby or
Speaker 2: the because technically radio is the first social media.
Speaker 1: That would be. But I'm not that vain. But so
Speaker 1: you're not Cyrus, You're not You're not You're not Forbes. No,
Speaker 1: of course not, You're not. Would you be Ruben? Yeah? Maybe,
Speaker 1: but I'd like he was so nondescript, you know, he
Speaker 1: was the one he was crushing on Maya. I want
Speaker 1: to say, christ Yeah, I know. There's like it's like
Speaker 1: we said, there's a lot of characters in this movie.
Speaker 2: I will say, though, and this is I think this
Speaker 2: is the first time I ever brought this up on
Speaker 2: this podcast, but my brother and I have because I
Speaker 2: was asking myself, once the law enforcement gets involved, how
Speaker 2: do you get out of this situation?
Speaker 1: Right? No one's gonna believe what you're saying. Right.
Speaker 2: My brother and I have what we referred to as
Speaker 2: the Chucky policy because in every child's play movie ever, like,
Speaker 2: the main character will be like, Chucky's alive and then
Speaker 2: whoever this? I was like, nah ah, and then they
Speaker 2: find out by seeing Chucky alive and then he fucking
Speaker 2: kills him right after that every single time, and that's
Speaker 2: where the plot is. So my brother and I have
Speaker 2: a policy. Were like, if we show up and say
Speaker 2: this thing happened, we actually invoke the Chucky policy and
Speaker 2: we will immediately kick it into gear. But you can't
Speaker 2: abuse it because if you say Chucky's alive and we
Speaker 2: have to set this doll on fire, I'm setting your
Speaker 2: doll on fire like there's not going to be. And
Speaker 2: so I was like, what would I be saying to
Speaker 2: my brother right now to convince him I'm in this
Speaker 2: chick's body or whatever the situation may be, because that
Speaker 2: would be my only outlet and I have to believe
Speaker 2: if I didn't have that outlet and we only have
Speaker 2: it because we grew up watching this kind of crap.
Speaker 2: How would I get out of that position? And I
Speaker 2: don't know that I would have a viable to get.
Speaker 1: Out of that.
Speaker 3: I would just feel an incredible, overwhelming feeling of helplessness,
Speaker 3: overwhelming if I was and I knew the finality of this, well,
Speaker 3: I mean the finality. Here's the other thing I'll bring
Speaker 3: up too. As much as we say the the start
Speaker 3: was super slow, the end was super fast. Agreed, I
Speaker 3: would and I listen, I don't say this very often,
Speaker 3: especially about a film like this.
Speaker 1: I would love love to watch a sequel of this
Speaker 1: film just where everybody ended up.
Speaker 3: Well, you kind of know where everybody ended up. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I mean that, But that doesn't mean that it has
Speaker 3: to stop there. Yeah, I agree that machine is still
Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, and there's people that are motivated to
Speaker 3: switch bodies, heavily motivated to switch bodies. Oh yeah, And
Speaker 3: you could easily, I mean easily do a sequel on this.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't think it did well enough that they're ever
Speaker 3: going to make a sequel, sure, but I would love
Speaker 3: to see, you know, a second one hundred minutes of this.
Speaker 1: They even touch on it. A little bit.
Speaker 2: They say, you getting a taste of another human condition
Speaker 2: because you're so used to thinking how you think and
Speaker 2: feeling how you feel that as soon as you get
Speaker 2: a taste of what another experience is like, like I
Speaker 2: wonder what a third one would be like, And as
Speaker 2: soon as you kind of crack that open, and they
Speaker 2: kind of insinuate at least maybe a handful of characters
Speaker 2: might be feeling the same way. I found that very interesting. Like,
Speaker 2: I'll be real, I had some weird ass thoughts watching
Speaker 2: this movie, Bulky, Like at one point, I asked myself,
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I'm in that girl, could I convince
Speaker 2: people I were a lesbian? Or would they know that
Speaker 2: I was a dude in a girl's body?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean like I was having those thoughts while I
Speaker 2: was watching this movie, and like, to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: it was fun. It's like a fun thought experiment, but
Speaker 2: like there wasn't enough meat on that bone to keep me. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would want a sequel, but
Speaker 2: I get why you would be interested.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's you know, it would never happen, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I can't imagine happened. I can't imagine that
Speaker 3: these actors would want to come back and do a sequel.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the Greg Jardin, the writer director.
Speaker 1: Who I can't even find like he was he was
Speaker 1: nothing else.
Speaker 2: He was directing music videos before I about this, So
Speaker 2: all things considered, pretty impressive debut.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, got to a solid did you What was
Speaker 1: the other thing I was going to ask you about this?
Speaker 1: About this?
Speaker 3: Oh, we're always looking for original, stuffy stuff we haven't
Speaker 3: seen before. Yeah, I can't recall seeing anything like this before,
Speaker 3: but I think this is more like it. It would
Speaker 3: shock more people for you to say that you've never
Speaker 3: seen because you this is normally like the type of
Speaker 3: stuff that you like to see, and this was original
Speaker 3: for you too, though, Absolutely it was.
Speaker 2: Such a cool That's what got me interested in it
Speaker 2: in the first place is that it was suggested. And
Speaker 2: I even said I asked my brother via text, I said, oh,
Speaker 2: what'd you think? And he goes, it was fine, And
Speaker 2: then like we almost texted at the exact same time,
Speaker 2: really original ideas, the same idea, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I never thought to do this,
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean? I think that's it's
Speaker 2: a great idea, And again I think the issue was
Speaker 2: I don't know if maybe I wasn't paying enough attention
Speaker 2: at the beginning or what the problem was, because again
Speaker 2: we're not.
Speaker 1: In a theater. We watched this at home, right.
Speaker 3: Do you think that that that's just a casualty of
Speaker 3: this type of movie where you need all that setup
Speaker 3: in order to really enjoy the the the execution of
Speaker 3: the body switching.
Speaker 1: Do you need all that? And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then is the juice worth the squeeze?
Speaker 3: In other words, yeah, how would how what would we
Speaker 3: have done differently in this film to make it better?
Speaker 3: Because we like the idea, but you know, we didn't
Speaker 3: like the setup. It's just took too long and you're
Speaker 3: losing your attention and and whatever in this. But I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a better way to do it
Speaker 3: to still have that same impactful reaction audience reaction when
Speaker 3: all this stuff hits the fan.
Speaker 1: Outside of making an eight episode mini series. I know that.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's the idea, like that this would have
Speaker 3: been better had it not been one hundred and five
Speaker 3: minute movie and it been you know, ten episodes or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there was a similar concept like that
Speaker 2: just kind of jogged my memory. There is an episode
Speaker 2: of Futurama where they do this, oh really and yeah
Speaker 2: and all them like it's the main cast plus like
Speaker 2: four of the Harlem Globetrotters plus like really, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's a whole thing. And there's even like an advanced
Speaker 2: physics principle that they have to use to because there's
Speaker 2: like there's some gimmick where you can only change two
Speaker 2: people at the same time, and like like there's a
Speaker 2: whole thing. But it works because there was seven seasons
Speaker 2: of the show before that episode, so you know who
Speaker 2: all the characters are, you know their mannerisms to try
Speaker 2: and introduce people to a new idea, like not to
Speaker 2: bring it back to it, but it always we always do.
Speaker 2: If you did it within the MCU tomorrow, I think
Speaker 2: I would love that movie because I know who all
Speaker 2: the characters are, I know how they act.
Speaker 3: The other thing too, what you could have done if
Speaker 3: you do this as a mini series. Two things I
Speaker 3: think of. Number one is Lost.
Speaker 1: Did you watch Lost?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But I know the premise, so but throw.
Speaker 3: The premise out of it, because what Lost did Almost
Speaker 3: every single episode that it would be about, except for
Speaker 3: like the big episodes or whatever. It would be exposition
Speaker 3: on a character's backstory and not just sometime. I mean
Speaker 3: like some of the characters would get six, seven, eight episodes, okay,
Speaker 3: and this went on for you know, six years or whatever.
Speaker 1: Back when there was twenty two episodes right season two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you'd get this backstory different part like and
Speaker 3: like I say, different characters will have different we will
Speaker 3: have multiple episodes, but it's all telling different parts of
Speaker 3: their lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you could have done that fairly easily. Yes,
Speaker 1: with this where you have the set up episode and
Speaker 1: an episode two is the Shelby episode, Episode.
Speaker 3: Three the cyrus you know, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: It reminded me of that reminds me lost. And then
Speaker 3: also do you remember the mini series this is on god,
Speaker 3: probably like ten or fifteen years ago now, and I
Speaker 3: think it was based on like an Australian or British
Speaker 3: mini series.
Speaker 1: Called The Slap. You remember this now?
Speaker 3: The Slap was, uh, the setup was all these families
Speaker 3: are to get together like a cookout and Peter.
Speaker 1: Peter soers Guard, it was pretty good cast.
Speaker 3: Peter Sarersguard's character slaps one of his friend's kids on
Speaker 3: the face for not listening, like he was being a
Speaker 3: jerk or rude to his kid. And and then and
Speaker 3: then it created this whole thing, yeah, lawsuits and whatever,
Speaker 3: but every episode.
Speaker 1: Of that was the backstory to what leda and all.
Speaker 3: This other stuff that we didn't know, Like we just
Speaker 3: seem like it's all six families having a good time
Speaker 3: at a cookout, and you find out all these other
Speaker 3: things going on that are serious, you know, not necessarily nefarious,
Speaker 3: but serious goings on that these characters are dealing with.
Speaker 1: I think that would have been more.
Speaker 3: Impactful, absolutely in a setup of this, and and you
Speaker 3: could have made season two, yeah, and have made the sequel.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what you do with the sequel. Well now
Speaker 1: because that the cat's out of the bag on a
Speaker 1: lot of these characters now, so you can't really have a.
Speaker 2: Similar principle, though, you could just make it your own
Speaker 2: thing and do this the right way now that the
Speaker 2: frameworks out there. It reminds me of a Yellow Jackets,
Speaker 2: which was the same idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another series.
Speaker 2: That was phenomenal with the women's what was it a
Speaker 2: soccer team or whatever, a soccer team. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: love that stuff. And then the flashback was the Island though,
Speaker 2: and it's just there were simple ways to do it.
Speaker 2: I remember a similar criticism about Eternals, honestly, and I
Speaker 2: think that would be if you want to make it
Speaker 2: a Marvel movie, it would be Eternals turnals. You learned
Speaker 2: about nine freaking people over the course of an hour
Speaker 2: and a half. You had no idea who any of
Speaker 2: them were, and it looks like we're never going to
Speaker 2: see most of them again outside of maybe the occasional crossover.
Speaker 1: And it just kind of bring back Harry Styles. You
Speaker 1: got to pay that off. Yeah, you would think Noswald
Speaker 1: is the drunken Elf or whatever. Yeah, in the Hidden
Speaker 1: See or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I didn't have like the movie. It had its flaws,
Speaker 2: but it also had some cool ideas as well. But
Speaker 2: a lot of people said, you have Disney, plus you
Speaker 2: have all these TV shows, why didn't you make this
Speaker 2: one the TV show where we could get acclimated to
Speaker 2: all of these new characters instead of trying to get
Speaker 2: it done in one hundred minutes.
Speaker 1: And you could still do the movie, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: after after build into it.
Speaker 3: I think the thing with the MCU, though, is they
Speaker 3: don't want to utilize the small screen to set up
Speaker 3: the big screen. No, they want to. They want to
Speaker 3: set everything up with the big screen. Have that spill
Speaker 3: all over to the small screen.
Speaker 1: Sure, but feel like some missing out still, Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 2: And uh yeah and again it's just there was a
Speaker 2: lot of gusto in this, Like, I appreciate the effort. Again,
Speaker 2: I hate crapping. We're not crapping on it. But I
Speaker 2: hate saying that I didn't like something that tries to
Speaker 2: be original because I feel like you're discouraging originality and
Speaker 2: trying new things, and I'm comparing it to all this
Speaker 2: cookie cutter, blockbuster Hollywood stuff that I like, I just
Speaker 2: did that something was missing. I don't think it's doable
Speaker 2: in an hour in forty.
Speaker 1: Do it and not?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you can't do it well in that plot
Speaker 3: device plot not plot device plot question for you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put Forbes in quotes here. Sure, Why did
Speaker 3: Forbes show Shelby how that machine worked?
Speaker 1: Why do you think? I mean, I know why they
Speaker 1: put it in the story. Yeah, why you know, as
Speaker 1: protective as he was with that machine, why share how
Speaker 1: it works? Another character that you kind of knew a
Speaker 1: decade ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely was a question a plot hole. I
Speaker 2: think it's a plot hole, or is it like why
Speaker 2: do the James Bond villains always explain and excruciating detail
Speaker 2: exactly how they're going to pull something off once they
Speaker 2: think they've forgot everything handled and it turns out, oh,
Speaker 2: son of a gun, we don't have everything handled.
Speaker 1: That's the fallacy of the villain.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I don't know that he's a although I guess,
Speaker 2: knowing how the plot goes, I guess that is the
Speaker 2: villain of we can't.
Speaker 1: There's just it's it's hard to do, and there's too
Speaker 1: many villains in this story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of the guys were reputable because even the
Speaker 3: guy who was getting married the next day, they the
Speaker 3: camera showed how he had, you know, essentially like literally
Speaker 3: tunnel vision on one of the one of the women,
Speaker 3: you know, so that he's getting married the next day,
Speaker 3: and all he could think about is this woman in there.
Speaker 1: I think the girls were a little bit more redeeming.
Speaker 2: We had.
Speaker 3: Ironically, I just had I can't remember what it's called,
Speaker 3: but oh, it's it's a beer I think from Toppling
Speaker 3: Live called Revenge of the Final Girl, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I think it's ironic that that we had, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: a few Final Girls this movie, but one significant one.
Speaker 1: Because again, some of those other girls also had some
Speaker 1: pretty unredeemed movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, well one of them was underde the social media answer,
Speaker 3: but then the other two, I don't know what what
Speaker 3: what their bugaboo was just I guess maybe one of
Speaker 3: them cheating, are forcing the groom to cheat, the kind.
Speaker 1: Of and and then the other one was just a pushover. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And and uh, we know from Cabin in the Woods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the stoners always make it. That's how they always make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how you have the Stoner's in the Final Girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, anyway, no honestly though, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I don't know how much more honestly within this movie,
Speaker 2: because again it's a hard one to talk about because
Speaker 2: we're kind of going through it.
Speaker 3: I think we set it up pretty well so people
Speaker 3: kind of know what we're talking about. But yeah, that
Speaker 3: this machine just it's it's these wires that hook up
Speaker 3: to your temples, like one on each side, and then
Speaker 3: he pushes a button, flips some switches, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden and he and he gets to manipulate
Speaker 3: the Forbes is the guy who shows up with this.
Speaker 3: He gets to manipulate who's and who's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he even identifies if you're a nerd, you know what,
Speaker 2: the term dungeon master. He equates himself to that. So
Speaker 2: it's like when you're playing dungeons and Dragons, the one
Speaker 2: person technically isn't playing. They're just super creative and having
Speaker 2: fun with the story. Right, That's essentially the role he played,
Speaker 2: but he thrust himself in there as well pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: I cool idea, impossible to execute and in one hundred minutes.
Speaker 2: In one hundred minutes, Yeah, this could have been an epic.
Speaker 1: I mean, this could have been like one of those
Speaker 1: things that we're talking about on like have you seen this? Yes,
Speaker 1: What's inside series?
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I can't wait to see like because you
Speaker 3: leave an episode and you're like, wait, I thought she
Speaker 3: was her. Now I think that she's her, and he's
Speaker 3: probably him. But if he's him, then he can't be
Speaker 3: that guy. Like it's just it'd be a mind f essentially.
Speaker 3: And I've said multiple times in this podcast. I said
Speaker 3: it during Megan two point zero, I said what I
Speaker 3: loved about what I love about good movies is when
Speaker 3: there's fifteen characters and they all feel like they're in
Speaker 3: it for themselves. You're like, I technically don't know who
Speaker 3: the good guy and who the bad guy is. This
Speaker 3: creates that, This creates that feeling. It just doesn't deliver
Speaker 3: her the ways that I want it to. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I found if I just found myself, if
Speaker 3: the story was a little too childish or what it was.
Speaker 3: But something prevented me, Like if I'm not able to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, this is who I was in the story,
Speaker 3: like there's something with it, and have seven characters, I
Speaker 3: should be somebody in that story. I just I think
Speaker 3: it's just there's not a whole lot of redeemability with
Speaker 3: these characters.
Speaker 1: So and then that's another thing. It's hard to identify
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the way the movie develops, I
Speaker 3: think it wants you to identify with Shelby more so, yeah,
Speaker 3: than than anybody else.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's even in the opening scene there's a
Speaker 2: movie where they put her she puts a wig on
Speaker 2: for sex time, right, and uh, that is a metaphor
Speaker 2: for the entire movie. She's an entirely different person. So
Speaker 2: like they definitely it's what's inside, right, they want you
Speaker 2: to associate with her as definitely the goal.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the ending? Satisfactory for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was? Yeah, I like, I liked the ending, I
Speaker 1: you know, left me wanting more.
Speaker 3: Sure I understand how it's said factory and understand how
Speaker 3: if this is a closed story, which I know it is,
Speaker 3: but I'm hoping it's not. That there are a lot
Speaker 3: of characters who got what was coming and maybe some
Speaker 3: characters who didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say the final final thing without saying
Speaker 1: what happened. I thought that was excessive final. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: the movie ends two people talking and what one character?
Speaker 1: Oh you thought that was accessive? I thought it was.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, okay, he was, you know, the
Speaker 2: jerk guy. But I think we're far beyond the pale
Speaker 2: of the appropriate.
Speaker 1: Ye I didn't. I didn't think about that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But the one there's one person maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that was too hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's uh yeah, the person in the car driving
Speaker 3: away not saying yeah it was male or female.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed that had some cruel intentions vibes a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was into that. I was into that ending
Speaker 2: very much. I didn't mind that part of it. I
Speaker 2: would have actually, did you did you know who it was?
Speaker 1: By the way, No, until you saw them until yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, I mean there
Speaker 1: was The ending of this was was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I liked it more than the ending to Good Fortune
Speaker 2: because I need to tell you off the air why
Speaker 2: I despised it. Remind me when we get off, because
Speaker 2: there was there's part of that that it's like, come on,
Speaker 2: the was it too sugary? Sort of like there was
Speaker 2: something like oh, But then I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: guess it can't end that way. But I hate that
Speaker 2: it doesn't end that way, and you know, so on
Speaker 2: and so forth. But no, I better ending here. The
Speaker 2: rest of the movie is where it kind of misses
Speaker 2: right exactly.
Speaker 1: I will I will.
Speaker 3: Be the first one to nominate It's What's Inside too
Speaker 3: if they ever make it, and I don't think they will.
Speaker 3: But I just think that there's there's this This could
Speaker 3: be a great continuation. When when you're talking about body
Speaker 3: switching or consciousness's conscious consciousnesses?
Speaker 1: Is that a word consciousness is? I think it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, conscious consciousness switching bodies that it just now there's
Speaker 3: no and see now I'm getting the high that they
Speaker 3: talked about in the movie. And I didn't even switch bodies.
Speaker 3: I just watch people switch bodies, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: want more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want more to this.
Speaker 3: Story because if it ends there, it ends there. But
Speaker 3: I just think that there's a lot more you can
Speaker 3: do with it. And I don't often say that.
Speaker 1: I think that's rare. Ben Ya.
Speaker 2: You know, it feels like they just scratch the surface.
Speaker 2: But again it's because it feels like it's going a
Speaker 2: mile a minute, because you go to meeting the characters,
Speaker 2: to learning how the technology, well.
Speaker 3: It doesn't go a mile a minute, like I think,
Speaker 3: like the last half hour is pretty last forty five minutes,
Speaker 3: i'd say is pretty breakneck pace. But the first hour
Speaker 3: was just like a slog And maybe that was for
Speaker 3: intentional for the impact on the pace of the film
Speaker 3: and how but which, by the way, I could have
Speaker 3: done without the eighteen thoughts. The cops are almost here,
Speaker 3: The cops are almost here. The cops are here. Hey,
Speaker 3: the cops are here. Hey, the cops are walking up
Speaker 3: the driveway. Hey, the cops are at the Yeah, we
Speaker 3: get it. Yeah, okay, Like just I that was a
Speaker 3: little over the top. And by a little over the top,
Speaker 3: I mean a lot.
Speaker 2: Over the incredibly excessive. Yeah, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 2: It's not looking promising during it. During an interview with Variety,
Speaker 2: Jardon revealed that he's not currently developing a sequel to
Speaker 2: It's What's Inside, but teased I guess time will tell.
Speaker 2: He also explained how negotiations and the sale to Netflix
Speaker 2: became a learning experience and how he as a writer
Speaker 2: and director might not benefit. Go figure freaking Netflix ruin
Speaker 2: and everything again. But but you know, they buy all
Speaker 2: these properties.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: We'll see if somebody wants to sign on for it here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: your excitement for it would make we would do it
Speaker 2: for the podcast. So Jordon, if you're listening.
Speaker 1: And if you do a good job, make it a trilogy.
Speaker 2: There we go, There we go, And it's one of
Speaker 2: those ones that'll improve over time, because ironically enough, as
Speaker 2: we say, like, oh, I want a sequel, I'd probably
Speaker 2: go it around a four or four point five.
Speaker 1: For what I thought about this first, I was gonna
Speaker 1: give it. I was gonna give it a four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the ending was really cool, but it did
Speaker 3: not rescue the first seventy minutes or sixty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it was.
Speaker 3: I understand the need for it, but I don't think
Speaker 3: you needed all that. Would you watch this again? Yeah,
Speaker 3: with someone who's never seen it, I'd watch it by yourself.
Speaker 2: I'd watch it by myself because I feel like I
Speaker 2: would get more out of it the second time. I
Speaker 2: genuinely believe that, because now I know the characters. And again,
Speaker 2: I think I was invested enough.
Speaker 3: Watching it, like you could go back and look for
Speaker 3: little subtle things that would maybe clues that we didn't
Speaker 3: pick up on. Yeah, which this is. It's Vince Gilligan
Speaker 3: was just talking about this. He's got a new I
Speaker 3: think it's a series on Apple Plus with Racy. I
Speaker 3: can't remember what that's called, but he is talking about
Speaker 3: rewarding a smart audience, right, and I think he did
Speaker 3: that with I think he was surprised at how smart
Speaker 3: the audiences for Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul became.
Speaker 3: And this, I think you might go back and look
Speaker 3: and a smart audience might have picked up on certain stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A wink ahead nod exactly, a gesture like did
Speaker 2: you know? Do you know The Departed one something with
Speaker 2: a rat. I know there's there's an X in every
Speaker 2: scene when the main character is about to die. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: every single scene when like Leo DiCaprio's in the elevator
Speaker 2: with Matt Damon, there's an X right above his head
Speaker 2: made of tape or well shut up. Yeah, every single
Speaker 2: death is foreshadowed with an X on the screen moments
Speaker 2: before it's going to happen. And so it's a way
Speaker 2: to tell people that movie's twenty years old. And I
Speaker 2: found this out like two or three weeks.
Speaker 1: Again, I had never heard that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then conversely, other side of that coin, though, the
Speaker 2: reason why big time Game of Thrones fans who want
Speaker 2: the books, the reason they're not getting the books is
Speaker 2: because George R. R. Martin is on the record saying,
Speaker 2: when you spend twenty years of your life writing a
Speaker 2: book building towards the butler did it for a smaller audience,
Speaker 2: But then your audience balloons and millions of people around
Speaker 2: the nation are saying, oh, the Butler did it. You're
Speaker 2: now sitting there trying to rework you're twenty years of
Speaker 2: your life to try and go somewhere else other than
Speaker 2: the Butler did it, which I have found that fascinating.
Speaker 2: And so people sitting there, why does it take them
Speaker 2: so long get these books? It's because he's basically and
Speaker 2: to me, I say, you just write your story saying
Speaker 2: the Butler did it, because that just means you're a
Speaker 2: good storyteller if people picked up subtle clues.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I digress. But so it goes both ways.
Speaker 2: The um.
Speaker 1: Mini series with Jake Jillenhall is on Apple TV. I
Speaker 1: have Apple Infinity.
Speaker 3: Who is Chase Infinity who was in one battle after
Speaker 3: all the oh yeah, she was in this mini series
Speaker 3: about I think it's called wrongfully and that's not called
Speaker 3: wrongfully accused. Maybe it's just called a cube or proof
Speaker 3: presumed innocent. I think it's what it's called, and it's
Speaker 3: I think it's a remake on a on a British
Speaker 3: uh like mini series or whatever. But with something like that,
Speaker 3: you're you're constantly trying to figure out, same thing with
Speaker 3: the Night of Remember the Night of on HBOP You're
Speaker 3: constantly like, what happened?
Speaker 1: Who did this?
Speaker 3: And there's only so many paths you can go down,
Speaker 3: you know, to to try to figure out And I
Speaker 3: think presumed innocent was the same way, although I still
Speaker 3: think it caught some people off guard with who the
Speaker 3: quote unquote killer was. But this, uh, this, I think
Speaker 3: you can you can constantly because there's no butler in this.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's kind of a butler, but
Speaker 3: but there's there's all these different storylines that that to me,
Speaker 3: are still hanging out there, storylines that you can't predict.
Speaker 1: You can just gas. Yeah. If you're an audience, you only.
Speaker 2: Have seven choices, so like inevitably, it's like predicting a
Speaker 2: sports I'm gonna get it. Yeah, Like it's the same idea.
Speaker 2: That's why to me, I actually I don't know what
Speaker 2: sent me off on the tangent on outside the box,
Speaker 2: but I started getting into sorry to bother you, and
Speaker 2: I said, that's an ending you can't guess, and I'm
Speaker 2: not spoiling it, like, oh, if I pay attention to
Speaker 2: the clues, it's it's random enough that if I gave
Speaker 2: you one hundred guesses, you would never know where the
Speaker 2: last third of that movie is going to go. That
Speaker 2: or this ending, I think is the future of good endings.
Speaker 2: Because I think I've told you this on the podcast,
Speaker 2: because I love fight clubs so much. I watch every
Speaker 2: movie from the lens of Ah, he's probably imagining half
Speaker 2: of that and until it is the yeah, I kind
Speaker 2: of go.
Speaker 1: Your cynicism comes in when you when you, oh, dude,
Speaker 1: that's nothing. I dated a girl. Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: Smoking Aces?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: With Ryan Reynolds when all the all the hit men
Speaker 2: are coming to kill what's his name, the dude who's
Speaker 2: the main character in Entourage, and he's Buddy Aces, and
Speaker 2: he's like, got all this in about uh you know
Speaker 2: Ari Gold, Jeremy Pivets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's up there.
Speaker 2: He's got all this information about the mob. Like the
Speaker 2: first thirty seconds of the movie, the girl I was
Speaker 2: dating at the time looks at me and says, but
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it, I don't want to say
Speaker 2: it because it's a it's a fucking but she got
Speaker 2: it right. She's just like, oh, this, this and that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, get the hell out of here. And that's
Speaker 2: how the movie ended. I'm like, how the hell thirty
Speaker 2: seconds into this movie did you figure how that out?
Speaker 1: What was her response?
Speaker 2: Because like the movie is giving you, like it's giving
Speaker 2: you an exposition dump and now that I know the
Speaker 2: ending I watch it, I'm just like, she just that smarter,
Speaker 2: that's stupid.
Speaker 1: How did I How did I get here? Because like,
Speaker 1: even watching it a second time, I'm like, would I
Speaker 1: pick up on this?
Speaker 3: Like, I don't see that's interesting that you watch it
Speaker 3: from from that where you're constantly trying to figure stuff out.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: I just I'm immersing myself. I just want to be
Speaker 3: the audience member that the tour expects, and naturally my
Speaker 3: curiosity will be peaked. I will start asking myself questions
Speaker 3: about certain characters, certain motives, certain the way something's shot,
Speaker 3: the way something's not shot, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But I let it happen naturally. I don't come in
Speaker 3: you know, with with you know, have with both both
Speaker 3: hands with guns pointed at the camera, you know, ready
Speaker 3: to be like pooh oh, I figured that out. Poot
Speaker 3: you know yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm just you
Speaker 3: are a aim first, maybe shoot right away. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like, let's talk, let's figure it out, and
Speaker 3: then when I'm ready to shoot, I'll shoot.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I never really thought about it, but if I had
Speaker 2: to psychoanalyze myself live in front of a microphone right now.
Speaker 2: I think it stems from how much I loved the
Speaker 2: original Scream as a ten year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it's a who Done It? Right,
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 2: And also I was super scared watching that movie because
Speaker 2: I was ten, and I think trying to crack the
Speaker 2: who Done An element distracted me from how scared I was.
Speaker 2: And then you go and you watch, uh, I know
Speaker 2: what you did last summer? And then you see Urban
Speaker 2: Legend and you see all these slashers, Like there was
Speaker 2: a stream of who Done It?
Speaker 1: Slasher like teen slashers? Yeah, who Done It? Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was in the prime of my like getting acclimated to
Speaker 1: that kind of movie.
Speaker 3: And then now the next generation is experiencing it to
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, with obviously some of the
Speaker 3: newer screens they brought back.
Speaker 1: I still know what you did last summer or whatever,
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But but I mean at the same time, like, no, no,
Speaker 3: because you told me either you told me it sucked
Speaker 3: or you you knew it was gonna suck.
Speaker 1: And well, I'm not gonna waste my time.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go on another tangent. But Jesus,
Speaker 2: do you remember the original where they're drunk driving and
Speaker 2: they kill the guy. In this one, they're standing in
Speaker 2: the middle of the road and the guy swerves off
Speaker 2: the road and just drives into the lake. And I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there, I'm like, you could probably explain this one away,
Speaker 2: like there's no I was waiting for the extra in
Speaker 2: the faeryst thing that happened, and it never happened.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Like it's crappy Halloween. See if you're looking for something
Speaker 2: on Netflix that is good for Halloween, watch Until Dawn.
Speaker 1: Thrilled with that one Until Dawn Until Dawn go to
Speaker 1: premise that it's based on a video.
Speaker 2: Game from about ten years ago. It's basically if you've
Speaker 2: seen Happy Death Day, Like six or seven friends are
Speaker 2: in a house and a killer comes up and shows
Speaker 2: up to kill them, kills all of them in about
Speaker 2: four minutes, and then the whole day resets, and they
Speaker 2: are aware that the whole day resets all of them.
Speaker 1: And the whole point they knew they diet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they even have marks, Like one girl gets her
Speaker 2: face just stomped, and she wakes up and there's like
Speaker 2: very clearly like a red mark where she got stomped,
Speaker 2: and they have a finite amount of tries to live
Speaker 2: until dawn, and if they can't figure it out, then
Speaker 2: they're going to be part. There's like a guest book
Speaker 2: of all the people that fail out. It's very fun
Speaker 2: and you don't know if they're going to make it
Speaker 2: out or not. And that would be much better than
Speaker 2: anything we've talked about today in terms of I was
Speaker 2: gonna suggest it to you, except I already watched it
Speaker 2: like a while. I've actually seen it twice. It's very good.
Speaker 1: If you're looking, I'm madding it on my phone right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, where's it on Netflix? Ne Flicks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it went to theaters though it was it was
Speaker 2: the whole deal. I didn't see it in theaters, and
Speaker 2: I'm kind of disappointed I didn't. There's a couple of
Speaker 2: a well tied.
Speaker 1: This just came out this year. Yeah, yeah, earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, like probably February or March.
Speaker 3: I oh, Peter Stormer is also in this game, yeah,
Speaker 3: or in this movie. It's also in the games in
Speaker 3: the game. Yeah, I do not know any of the
Speaker 3: other Yeah. The game's not even a game. It's basically
Speaker 3: like a choose your own adventure. It's like a very
Speaker 3: well animated movie in video game graphics with just terrifying monsters.
Speaker 3: I hate scary video games.
Speaker 2: But that's the one if you're looking for a good
Speaker 2: Halloween movie, because this will be going out on October thirtieth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so if you're looking for a good Halloween movie, that's
Speaker 2: the one.
Speaker 1: My son wants to watch. My twelve year old son
Speaker 1: wants to watch Halloween with me on Halloween. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about seventy eight Halloween. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the actually original.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta you gotta watch that one. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's basically like a haunted house. Like it's not even
Speaker 2: that'll get them acclimated. I've said this, Moll. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I've said it on the podcast, but if
Speaker 2: I did have kids, that's what I would do. I
Speaker 2: would show them the eighties, even though the twenty ten
Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth sucks. It sucks, it's terrible. I would
Speaker 2: not suggest it to anybody. It's much scarier because they
Speaker 2: put more stuff on screen. Like if I were nine,
Speaker 2: that would screw with me a lot more than the
Speaker 2: original Nightmare on Elm Street. But that's what I grew
Speaker 2: up on, and that's why I'm not a baby with
Speaker 2: horror movies as an adult, and like, that's how I
Speaker 2: would acclimate kids to it if they were into it.
Speaker 1: So the nineteen seventy eight Halloween and.
Speaker 3: He doesn't scare easy, Yeah, And I think some like,
Speaker 3: you know, that's sort of like I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: say that's when horror movies took off, because you remember.
Speaker 1: All the stuff that Hitchcock did, oh yeah back in
Speaker 1: the day, which was really good. And then Rod Sterling,
Speaker 1: Rod Sterling and was it Serling or Sterling from Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone Sarling Sterling, all the horror that they came out
Speaker 1: with there too.
Speaker 3: This was well before and this is well before Friday
Speaker 3: the thirteenth, And that's psychological terror. Think I dig that
Speaker 3: more than the gore in the Slashing.
Speaker 2: But I love this conversation wrong because I always say,
Speaker 2: because the common refrain in this era is oh, you
Speaker 2: couldn't make you couldn't make Blazing Saddles today because of
Speaker 2: the times, that's true about anything I said. You couldn't
Speaker 2: make the original Halloween today. If you made the original
Speaker 2: Halloween right now, would be like, what the hell did
Speaker 2: you just show me. But I can acknowledge that it inspired,
Speaker 2: you know, like blah blah blah blah blah a billion
Speaker 2: different slasher movies. But it doesn't fit in today because
Speaker 2: it's just it hasn't evolved. And I actually find it
Speaker 2: this is sacrilegious to say, give me the first rob
Speaker 2: Zombie Halloween movie over the original Halloween movie any day
Speaker 2: of the week. I love that movie. I think it's
Speaker 2: well done and it hits on all the right points.
Speaker 2: But I can acknowledge what Halloween is. Show your kid
Speaker 2: Halloween right, he'll grow into a bit more well rounded adult.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, he's already behind the eight ball considering his
Speaker 1: father exactly. See if we can.
Speaker 2: You know what my mom's answer was why she would
Speaker 2: show me horror movies so young? She would tell her
Speaker 2: family members, I want him to grow up to be
Speaker 2: a thrill seeker. That's what it was, and to a
Speaker 2: certain extent, maybe not in all the ways she wanted
Speaker 2: it to happen right, to a certain extent, So I
Speaker 2: condone it. If you're listening to this, show your kid
Speaker 2: freaking scary movies. That's the best way to go here.
Speaker 2: We have like seven or eight different movies we can
Speaker 2: actually choose from. We're building up a little bit of
Speaker 2: of a list here, liboraror yeah. So I don't want
Speaker 2: to commit to anything here because we committed last week
Speaker 2: and we messed up.
Speaker 1: We did yeah or no. We left it up in
Speaker 1: the air because we were between two Yeah, what was
Speaker 1: the other one? Black Phone and Pogonia.
Speaker 3: Oh, we were deciding between Blackphone two and Pogonia. I
Speaker 3: think we were deciding between Bogonia and something else.
Speaker 2: I think it was black Phone, all right, because somebody, oh,
Speaker 2: the ticket taker told me that she actually enjoyed.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well
Speaker 3: that's fine. Listen, there are some good films coming out.
Speaker 3: We're heading into award season. I get more amped up
Speaker 3: for that than I think.
Speaker 1: You do. You do, but this is sort of month
Speaker 1: which which was kind of lackluster for Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: feel that way. I've heard. I was listening to podcast
Speaker 1: today and uh fantasy football podcast with a Cinophile who
Speaker 1: hosts it, and he said he's totally he's seeing Bogonia
Speaker 1: Halloween night, and he's super amped for it because everybody's
Speaker 1: talked to everything he's read said, it's been like epic.
Speaker 1: Let's just commit, let's just commit.
Speaker 3: I don't want to commit to it because we can
Speaker 3: always add it later. Yeah, but we could do black
Speaker 3: Phone two, we could do Bogonia. I don't know what
Speaker 3: else is coming out. I do know that you and
Speaker 3: I are going to do now you see me?
Speaker 1: Now you don't? Yeah, sometime next month? Yeah running yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah absolutely, Yeah. Well let's should we leave it up.
Speaker 1: We'll just figure it out. Yeah okay, yeah, so well,
Speaker 1: well you'll know what we watched when you listen to
Speaker 1: episode twenty two. Yeah, off topic, wonderful