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<v Speaker 1>Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty eight. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to share this phone call with you that

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<v Speaker 1>I made this morning. Okay, I'm going to call it

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Kilkenny, longtime Golf Smarter listener. Hi, it is Tim, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Cred. How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great? Thanks. I'm playing golf better than that forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was emailing you because I was so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I made my first hole in one.

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<v Speaker 3>Congratulations, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>On Friday, August first, I was playing at my home

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<v Speaker 2>course and I aced number fourteen. It was sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you been playing at that club?

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<v Speaker 2>About six years? And a couple of my friends have

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<v Speaker 2>had hole in ones. I've seen a couple, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>never had one.

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<v Speaker 1>And why do you think this was the time for

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<v Speaker 1>you to get a hole in one?

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably just coincidental. But I really liked your interview.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I listened to it on Wednesday. But your

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<v Speaker 2>most recent episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Darren g from Hawaii, Yeah right, be Frustrated Golfer's Handbook.

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<v Speaker 2>He was talking about how you can make a hole

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<v Speaker 2>in one and his philosophy of picking a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the green where the flag was dividing it up and saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is the area that I'm going for.

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<v Speaker 2>And I made a very confident swing right where I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hit it, and for the first time ever,

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<v Speaker 2>it went in the hole.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as you struck the ball, you felt.

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<v Speaker 2>What it was pure. I mean, it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best purest shots I've ever hit. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixty four yard back right pin over water.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I had a kick iron right.

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<v Speaker 2>At the pin. It went right at it the whole way.

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<v Speaker 1>And so did it bounce, bounce, drop or did it

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<v Speaker 1>roll for a while? Did it back up? What did

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<v Speaker 1>the ball do when it landed?

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<v Speaker 2>It bounced once in front and pass the pin and

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<v Speaker 2>spun right back into the pin.

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<v Speaker 1>And did everyone go nuts?

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<v Speaker 2>There was jumping and dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened after the round?

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, I got to go in and tell everybody

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<v Speaker 2>about the hole in one. And there were several hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people at the club.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many of those people did you tell about

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<v Speaker 1>golf smarter and that that's why you got your hole

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<v Speaker 1>in one?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, see, that's what I could have done better. Right out,

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<v Speaker 2>I got all.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you're not sure. You you're too scientific about this,

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<v Speaker 1>You don't you think it's just coincidence, And I'm saying no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually because Darren told you you can get a

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<v Speaker 1>hole in one if you have the right mindset. Just

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<v Speaker 1>think about getting this hole in one. Just I can

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<v Speaker 1>do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, we all know. Confidence there is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge part of it, you know. And having the

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<v Speaker 2>confidence to make a part, Having the confidence to hit

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<v Speaker 2>a shot that you need to hit to a scary pin.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's always a tough part. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't make it, and you can't. You can't make

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<v Speaker 2>a whole online like that, having that confidence to go

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I am so excited for you. Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for sharing this and congratulations again.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Chret.

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<v Speaker 5>App Pasa champles of a standalone golf course. When you

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<v Speaker 5>start looking at the likes of Pinehurst and Whistling Streets

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<v Speaker 5>and Bandon Dunes and Double Beach who has Spyglass and

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<v Speaker 5>eldl Monti in Spanish Bay. I mean that's a destination

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<v Speaker 5>where you're going there to play golf and oh, by

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<v Speaker 5>the way, we're going to go play Spanish bass. For here,

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<v Speaker 5>you need to be coming here on your way to Pebble,

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<v Speaker 5>on your way back from Pebble, or you're coming here

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<v Speaker 5>strictly to play golf, versus just running into the golf

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<v Speaker 5>course at another round you're going to play that week.

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<v Speaker 5>People associate Posit Tampa with being private, which I think

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<v Speaker 5>is something that I've fought the last ten years of

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<v Speaker 5>people and you know, golf professionals will call me and say, hey, Ken,

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<v Speaker 5>this is so and so from XYZ Country Club. My

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<v Speaker 5>members would love to come play your golf course. Is

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<v Speaker 5>there any possible way you can play? And then of

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<v Speaker 5>course I say yeah, And we're a semi private, we're

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<v Speaker 5>semi public, and we're open to come on out and

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<v Speaker 5>play and we can work something out for you and

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<v Speaker 5>get you on the golf course. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>still a mis number and who kind of fought that

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<v Speaker 5>reputation for the last several years. Then we're trying to

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<v Speaker 5>change that.

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<v Speaker 1>The history and a t tour of legendary posit Tippo

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<v Speaker 1>golf Course.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Ken, Hello, Fred, How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing great? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing really well. How is the weather in beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Cruz today, Well, we had just.

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<v Speaker 5>Came out a little bit of a hot spell and

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<v Speaker 5>we're about seventy two today and get a nice clear

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<v Speaker 5>view across the bay towards Pebble Beach and Cypress Point

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<v Speaker 5>and it's pretty during good today.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are in your northern California. We're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>set this up for people who aren't familiar with the

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<v Speaker 1>area who live all over the world. And it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the hills of Santa Cruz, which is north of Monterey.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of people have heard of Monterey. Correct, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking down on the Monterey Bay. You have a view

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<v Speaker 1>of the Monterey Bay from where you.

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<v Speaker 5>Are, that is correct. Yeah, Santa Cruz is on the

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<v Speaker 5>other side of the Monterey Bay, which is basically shaped

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<v Speaker 5>like a horseshoe. We are just outside of Santa Cruz

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<v Speaker 5>in the Santa Cruz Mountains right at the base of

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<v Speaker 5>the mountains. Our view looks basically across from our pro

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<v Speaker 5>shop and the first tee looks across and you can

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<v Speaker 5>see you can't see the golf courses obviously, but you

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<v Speaker 5>can see the tip of Cypress Point and Pebble Beach area.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's yeah, right on the other side and just

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<v Speaker 5>outside of San Cruz. It's a beautiful spot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing spot. I'm very excited. I'm coming out

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<v Speaker 1>there next week. I get to play for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm really excited to come. I'm nervous about it,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's one of those golf courses that if you

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<v Speaker 5>haven't played it, I mean, this is one where when

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<v Speaker 5>you walk off the golf course and you think to yourself,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, what if I had have played this, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>one or two times prior, I probably would have done

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<v Speaker 5>things a little bit differently, just strictly based on where

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<v Speaker 5>you miss it and where you don't want to miss it.

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<v Speaker 5>Holds you want to tack holes, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>tack it in the center of the green, that type

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<v Speaker 5>of thing, because if you short side yourself when he's

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<v Speaker 5>Mackenzie Green's boy. It doesn't matter how great a chip

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<v Speaker 5>you had, you're gonna you're gonna end up. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>quite a way to below the hole.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is why I called you get to get

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<v Speaker 1>some local knowledge before I come down, so I don't embarrass.

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<v Speaker 5>Myself, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get into the playability of possible tempo,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about its incredible history and any insights beyond

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<v Speaker 1>what we can read on the website, and any stories

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<v Speaker 1>that you know of I would love to hear.

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<v Speaker 5>Well. Probably my favorite story and the one I've probably

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<v Speaker 5>told the most. I did a piece for the Golf Channel.

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<v Speaker 5>God probably five six years ago never heard of. One

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<v Speaker 5>of my favorite stories is really how positive Tampa came

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<v Speaker 5>to be. It was back in nineteen twenty nine when

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<v Speaker 5>the course was built and Bobby Jones had gone down

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<v Speaker 5>to Pebble Beast to play in the United States Amateur

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<v Speaker 5>Championship and strangely enough lost in the first round, and

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<v Speaker 5>Marion Hollins, who obviously was the owner of the golf

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<v Speaker 5>course and the property, and who had hired Alistrom McKenzie

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<v Speaker 5>to build the golf course, she invited Bobby Jones to

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<v Speaker 5>join the foursome to play on opening day, which was

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<v Speaker 5>September nineteen twenty nine. So legend has it, and story

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<v Speaker 5>has it and documented is that after playing the golf course,

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<v Speaker 5>he loved it so much that he had owned this

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<v Speaker 5>little piece of property back in Augusta, Georgia we now

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<v Speaker 5>call Augusta National, and that's when he hired doctor Arlister

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<v Speaker 5>Mackenzie to design Augusta National.

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<v Speaker 1>So that so then Passa Tempo is the parent of

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<v Speaker 1>Augusta National, of the where the Masters is playing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the combination of his time a Cyprus Point and

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<v Speaker 5>then his time at Pasa Tiempo kind of just threw

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<v Speaker 5>him over the edge and says, you know, there's not

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<v Speaker 5>another designer I want for this golf course. And he

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<v Speaker 5>went ahead and hired Mackenzie too to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. So how is it that that Marion Hollins got

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<v Speaker 1>to own the piece of property that is now Passa Tempo.

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<v Speaker 5>I think really, I mean it was just basically it

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<v Speaker 5>was a piece of property she had from New York

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<v Speaker 5>and she was obviously extremely wealthy for those times, and

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<v Speaker 5>this was a place that she had purchased. It was

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<v Speaker 5>more so for not only championship golf, but for equestrian

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<v Speaker 5>there was you know, at the time when the golf

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<v Speaker 5>Gable and and other people who had come to this

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<v Speaker 5>area and to basically not only play golf, but to

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<v Speaker 5>just relax. I mean there was beach homes and stables

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<v Speaker 5>and equestrian centers which was are just north of us

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<v Speaker 5>in Scott's Valley, and she had quite a handle on

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<v Speaker 5>the property and really just trying to create a type

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<v Speaker 5>of a lifestyle for people, but really just kind of

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<v Speaker 5>saw the property as as an opportunity and made the purchase.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know exactly at the time what she paid,

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<v Speaker 5>but I know that she did acquire it back and

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<v Speaker 5>some tough times and then obviously got tougher with the

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<v Speaker 5>depression right around the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which so wait, the course opened up nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and wasn't the crash just around.

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<v Speaker 5>Then, Yes, exactly? Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. And I understand that Marion Hollins was quite an

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished golfer, let alone equestrian and many other things.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes she was. She was an amateur champ herself.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, she competed at the highest level in amateur competition,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, I think at the time where we

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<v Speaker 5>had opening Day, I mean Cyril Talley, which was another

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<v Speaker 5>British amateur that was a great player in Glenna Collette

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<v Speaker 5>also who was a was a champion her own. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>we're playing and competing during kind of the same the

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<v Speaker 5>same time frame.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. So what exactly is it that you do there?

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<v Speaker 1>Explain to us what your your position is at Pasa Tiempo.

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<v Speaker 1>How long you been there?

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<v Speaker 5>My position is the head golf professional. I basically manage

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<v Speaker 5>outside staff, the inside staff, all of the locker room facilities.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously do quite a bit of teaching to the membership,

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<v Speaker 5>mostly my assistants teach a lot to the general public,

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<v Speaker 5>and I take care of mostly member lessons. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>your prototypical golf professional job duties. I get to play

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit. When I played yesterday and putting the

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<v Speaker 5>skins game and not by th I wasn't trying to

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<v Speaker 5>do it, but I ended up weighing six skins out

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<v Speaker 5>of ten off the members, which sometimes is good and

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes if you do too often, you might take a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of heat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you might lose your invitations.

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<v Speaker 5>But I enjoy the playing aspect of it. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>get to play as much as I as I like to.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of my golf these days is club golf. I'll play,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. I just took a trip with twenty members

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<v Speaker 5>And we've been up to Abandon and Versada Ranch up

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<v Speaker 5>in Oregon. Had a great time up there, obviously, all

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<v Speaker 5>great facilities and wonderful people up there, and the members

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<v Speaker 5>like to bounce around and I like doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>For him, that sounds like a lot of fun. Of

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<v Speaker 1>all the instructors that I've ever had on the program,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about hundreds at this point, nobody gets

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<v Speaker 1>to play as much golf as they'd like to anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>They think they get into you know, oh, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to become a you know, they grow up being great

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<v Speaker 1>players and they think they're going to be a golf

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<v Speaker 1>you find out that that's not really the case.

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<v Speaker 5>It's true. I just yeah, your your job evolved and

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<v Speaker 5>your responsibilities change, and next thing, you know, you're you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you're busy, and it's for me, it's if I go

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<v Speaker 5>out and play golf right now, and I'll you spend

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<v Speaker 5>four hours or four and a half hours on the

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<v Speaker 5>golf course, I'll walk back into you know, twenty voicemails

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<v Speaker 5>and fifty emails that I probably could have tackled if

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<v Speaker 5>I was you know, still you know, on the job,

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<v Speaker 5>working in my office. So yeah, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 5>give and take. I mean, you just have to balance

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<v Speaker 5>the two. And I think we all want to play

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<v Speaker 5>more of it, and we understand that that's not this

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<v Speaker 5>big job anymore. We've got some other stuff we got

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<v Speaker 5>to take care of.

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<v Speaker 1>But Posit Tampo is a public course.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, we have you. We're a semi private club,

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<v Speaker 5>semi okay or semi public, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 5>We have a we have a membership of roughly five

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty members. We have just over four hundred

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<v Speaker 5>shares of stock, so it's an equity membership and you

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<v Speaker 5>can you can purchase a share of stock and then

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<v Speaker 5>that doesn't give you necessarily the right to play golf,

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<v Speaker 5>but it does get you gives you the ability to

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<v Speaker 5>purchase your annual membership, so we have stockholders and we

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<v Speaker 5>also have stockholder members so again it's an investment possibly

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<v Speaker 5>or you can utilize that ownership of your stock and

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<v Speaker 5>buy your annual for the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, okay, And it is because it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a high profile location, you know, near Monterey,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have amazing courses that are known around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Pasa Tiempo is not as famous as those, probably because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not been on the tour as much or why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that it's not as high profile as

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<v Speaker 1>the other courses in Monterey.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 5>We kind of have this conversation at the board level

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<v Speaker 5>as well as you know, amongst staff that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Pasita Tampa is a standalone golf course when you start

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<v Speaker 5>looking at the likes of Pinehurst and Whistling Streets and

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<v Speaker 5>Bandon Dunes and Pebble Beach, who has Spyglass and Eldlmanti

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<v Speaker 5>in Spanish Bay, I mean that's it's a destination where

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<v Speaker 5>you're going there to play golf and oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 5>we're going to go play Spanish basins. We're here. Posit

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<v Speaker 5>Tampo is that it's your you need to be coming

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<v Speaker 5>here on your way to Pebble, on your way back

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<v Speaker 5>from Pebble, or you're coming here strictly to play golf

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<v Speaker 5>versus just running into the golf course as another round

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to play that week. I still think, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>people associate Pasita Tampa would be in private, which I

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<v Speaker 5>think is something that I've fought the last ten years

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<v Speaker 5>with people. And you know, golf professionals will call me

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<v Speaker 5>and say, hey, again, this is so and so from

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<v Speaker 5>X y Z Country Club and you know my members

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<v Speaker 5>would love to come play your golf course. Is there

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<v Speaker 5>any possible way you can play? And then of course

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<v Speaker 5>I say yeah, and we're SENDI private, We're SENDI public again,

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<v Speaker 5>what however you want to call it, and we're open

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<v Speaker 5>to come on out and play and we can work

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<v Speaker 5>something out for you and get you on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think that's still a mis number, and we've

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<v Speaker 5>kind of fought that that reputation for the last several years.

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<v Speaker 5>Then we're obviously trying to change that.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who are considering flying to the San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>Bay area, you can fly into San Francisco, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you fly if you're headed down to Monterey, you may

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<v Speaker 1>even just fly into San Jose. But the drive that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to take, either from San Francisco or San Jose,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go over the Santa Cruz Mountains and

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<v Speaker 1>as you're driving there, all of a sudden you go,

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<v Speaker 1>Pasa Tiempo. Right right, it's right there on the way.

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<v Speaker 5>And yes, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a nice little side stop at least

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<v Speaker 1>for a meal and for the views. But you might

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<v Speaker 1>want to consider putting it on your plans to play

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<v Speaker 1>around there. So you don't really see it as a

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<v Speaker 1>destination course though like the other ones there.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, No, that's true, that's true. Like I say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's its own zone golf course. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 5>the only Alistair McKinsey golf course in our area that

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<v Speaker 5>you're able to play and and and play as a

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<v Speaker 5>daily fee golf course. I mean, we're number three in

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<v Speaker 5>the state of California, of course, as you can play

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<v Speaker 5>next to Tubble Beach and Spyglass And not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 5>Matchanel from the Golf Channel put us number one, and

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<v Speaker 5>we have that link on our website where he said

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<v Speaker 5>Pasta Tempo's the number one golf course to play head

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<v Speaker 5>of spy glass and pebble and you know, which is

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<v Speaker 5>obviously a huge thing for us. And even just be

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<v Speaker 5>in the top three, obviously it's a it's a great honor.

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<v Speaker 5>But to be you know, thrown in there at number

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<v Speaker 5>one by mat Janelle, who is a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 5>and obviously who I respect, even more so since he

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<v Speaker 5>gave us number one. But it was, it's very very

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<v Speaker 1>Let's, uh, let's talk about the playability of the course.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get some tips on some hole and your features

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. So let's let's uh, let's start with

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<v Speaker 1>the features of the course and what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>be an Alistair mackenzie course.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you obviously look at the green complexes in the

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<v Speaker 5>in the bunkering is number one. I mean, that's those

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<v Speaker 5>are the things that truly make the Alistair mckennay golf courses.

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<v Speaker 5>When you look at when you watch the Masters, or

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<v Speaker 5>at at the Royal Melbourne, Pictures of Cyprus point, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean the bunkering of of how strategic they're placed, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the design of them, A lot of the different fingers

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<v Speaker 5>the greens obviously have pretty severe undulations, and some of

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<v Speaker 5>them with a lot of false fronts where balls can't

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<v Speaker 5>either even off the back of the green, off the

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<v Speaker 5>front of the green can roll off and into maybe

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<v Speaker 5>into a bunker or into a transition area. So it's

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<v Speaker 5>it's really, you know, McKenzie was really a boy risk reward.

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<v Speaker 5>He was also obviously about making the golf course fair.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's one of those things where if you're if

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<v Speaker 5>you're testing the golf course and testing a certain hole

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<v Speaker 5>location at a McKinsey course, especially Aposta Tampo, is that

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<v Speaker 5>if you, like I say, if you go too long

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<v Speaker 5>or you short side yourself, you're you're going to pay dearly.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it not a good idea to be laying

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<v Speaker 1>up on some of the holes just to get yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in position, or is it smarter to go for it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well again, that's that's kind of that thing I

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<v Speaker 5>said when we first got on the air today, was

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<v Speaker 5>looking at those certain holes where you really feel like

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<v Speaker 5>you can take advantage of as a risk reward and

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<v Speaker 5>possibly even being able to play the golf course once

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<v Speaker 5>or twice before we're getting here. But for first timers,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I have a hole by whole description on

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<v Speaker 5>our website. They kind of take everybody through the hole

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<v Speaker 5>of what club to hit and what club not to hit.

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<v Speaker 5>But you can see on certain holes out of here

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<v Speaker 5>that if you look at a particular whole location, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to know. I mean, if you're a if

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<v Speaker 5>you're a fairly knowledgeable golfer, that you're going to look

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<v Speaker 5>at that thing and say, well, if I miss this

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<v Speaker 5>thing right, I don't think I'm going to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to get this up them down. So yeah, going for it.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is why the golf course was built.

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<v Speaker 5>It was built as a match to play golf course,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's a perfect situation for that. Because if you're

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<v Speaker 5>down one or two down and you want to take

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<v Speaker 5>a risk of throwing a ball up towards a flag

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<v Speaker 5>that's way up in the right corner of the green

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<v Speaker 5>to try to make birdie to win that hole, then

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<v Speaker 5>go for it. But if not, you might end up

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<v Speaker 5>being three down.

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<v Speaker 1>And are the greens really large or they traditionally in

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<v Speaker 1>the old you know, in the twenties and stuff, the

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<v Speaker 1>greens were a lot smaller.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that might be another conversation that we'll have today,

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<v Speaker 5>But the greens were smaller until Tom Doak came in

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<v Speaker 5>and did his redesign back in five and oh seven,

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of the fingers of the greens came back,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of the expansion from the front and the

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<v Speaker 5>back on the sides came back into play, which got

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<v Speaker 5>closer to a lot of those green side bunkers that

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<v Speaker 5>had kind of gotten away from those bunkers through the

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<v Speaker 5>years of just maybe imperfections or just mowing patterns or

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<v Speaker 5>maybe lack of staff on the golf course back in

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<v Speaker 5>the maybe the forties or fifties, sixties. But the greens

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<v Speaker 5>are fairly big, especially for an older style golf course,

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<v Speaker 5>and again have gotten bigger over the last several years

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<v Speaker 5>after the restoration.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, did you get a lot of pushback from the

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<v Speaker 1>traditionalists the purest when that then they redesigned was complete.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I mean, I think I think, really, when you

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<v Speaker 5>look back at it, it's really trying to take it

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<v Speaker 5>back to the way it was as much as we could.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think there were certain affection of the

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<v Speaker 5>membership that just wanted to leave it alone. They thought

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<v Speaker 5>it was good the way it was. But again that's

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<v Speaker 5>just the people resisting change. But I think once the

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<v Speaker 5>that everybody was just completely blown away, you know, including

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of Golf Digest, Golf Week, Golf magatting raiders

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<v Speaker 5>were just coming and going, oh my god, this is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 5>So Tom Dook is probably I mean in his staff,

424
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, Jim Orbina obviously did a lot of the shaping,

425
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of the work himself. Are just complete gurs

426
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<v Speaker 5>when it comes to redesigning mckensey golf courses.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, So now here I'm going to

428
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<v Speaker 1>put you to task. You said that you have description

429
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<v Speaker 1>on the website, and I'm going to study it a

430
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<v Speaker 1>lot before I go down there. But I'm going to

431
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<v Speaker 1>ask you about a couple of specific holes. And I'm

432
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<v Speaker 1>not going to tell you which one. I'm going to

433
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<v Speaker 1>let you choose, but let's pick your favorite. I don't

434
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<v Speaker 1>know if you should say favorite or most challenging. Par three?

435
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<v Speaker 1>Which one and tell us how to play it?

436
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<v Speaker 5>Number three without a doubt, And I'll give you just

437
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<v Speaker 5>a quick snippet of another hole that it's probably the

438
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<v Speaker 5>shortest of them, that gives them the most, gives me

439
00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:47.119
<v Speaker 5>the most trouble. Number three from the back tees is

440
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<v Speaker 5>a two hundred and forty five yard up till par

441
00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:54.079
<v Speaker 5>three surrounded by bunkers. So for the most part, for

442
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<v Speaker 5>the guy who's playing the back t's it's a driver.

443
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.720
<v Speaker 5>I mean it's a driver, and it's again through the

444
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<v Speaker 5>redesign the golf course out of the entire left side

445
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<v Speaker 5>of it. For most people who maybe think they can't

446
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<v Speaker 5>get there, they'll basically hit a shot that's just kind

447
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<v Speaker 5>of up in the neck of the green and then

448
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:13.359
<v Speaker 5>be able to try to bump the ball up onto

449
00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:14.960
<v Speaker 5>the green to try to get it up and down

450
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<v Speaker 5>for par and that's the worst they make a four.

451
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you can go for it, but again the

452
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:20.880
<v Speaker 5>risk reward side of it is that if you get

453
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<v Speaker 5>on the right side and the bunkers, I mean, your

454
00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:26.759
<v Speaker 5>head is probably about three feet below the bunker lip

455
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<v Speaker 5>as you're trying to hit your second shot up to

456
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<v Speaker 5>the green. So again you can go for it, but

457
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<v Speaker 5>I would suggest if you can't get there, lay it

458
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<v Speaker 5>up there in the neck, try to bump a ball.

459
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.279
<v Speaker 5>It's tied enough grass where you can roll the ball

460
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<v Speaker 5>up onto the green and even putt if the pins

461
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<v Speaker 5>in the front, So that'll kind of keep you away

462
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<v Speaker 5>from making a big number.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what are you going to say something about a

464
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<v Speaker 1>different part three too?

465
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Yeah, number three, number fifteen on the back nine.

466
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think I played yesterday and after I

467
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<v Speaker 5>hit my shot, I think I told my force and

468
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<v Speaker 5>I said, I don't think I hit this green the

469
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<v Speaker 5>last ten times I've played it. It's one hundred. It's

470
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 5>one hundred, and I think it was playing one hundred

471
00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:06.480
<v Speaker 5>and thirty yards yesterday, I hit a fifty degree gap

472
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.319
<v Speaker 5>wedge and hitting the right bunker. I think the three

473
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 5>times before that, I hit it over the green. But

474
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.240
<v Speaker 5>again it's just one of those holes where you're looking

475
00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:17.400
<v Speaker 5>at it. It's short, but again surrounded by bunkers. There's

476
00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.680
<v Speaker 5>a creek that runs in front of the green, and

477
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<v Speaker 5>I think visually it's just very intimidating. Even though it's

478
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<v Speaker 5>a even though it's a short hole, you're still looking

479
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<v Speaker 5>at it going and plus me not feeling very confident

480
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:30.720
<v Speaker 5>on it, it still can bite you. And that's the

481
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.079
<v Speaker 5>thing what you'll see with mckinna golf courses that at

482
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<v Speaker 5>any hole, at any time regardless of the yardage, can

483
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<v Speaker 5>come up and bite you good.

484
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<v Speaker 1>And bite you hard.

485
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<v Speaker 5>I'm I'm not trying to I'm not trying to steer

486
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<v Speaker 5>people away from the golf.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Course, but well, you're scared the crap out of me.

488
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<v Speaker 1>I'm reconsidering.

489
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<v Speaker 5>I just want to just be very realistic when it

490
00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 5>comes to this design and it is so unique and

491
00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.119
<v Speaker 5>you walk away from every single hole going wow, and

492
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.519
<v Speaker 5>you remember instead of saying, did we just play this

493
00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.920
<v Speaker 5>hole or we just played hole just like this, Every

494
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.680
<v Speaker 5>hole has its own character, every hole has its own uniqueness.

495
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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. What about the terrain you said you were

496
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<v Speaker 1>in the Santa Cruz Mountains and Pebble Beach and the

497
00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.039
<v Speaker 1>rest are well, Pebble Beach is right there on the ocean.

498
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<v Speaker 1>Is there a similarity between the types of terrain or

499
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.759
<v Speaker 1>is pas tempo so unique that it's more like playing

500
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.079
<v Speaker 1>up at the Olympic Club or Harding Park in San

501
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<v Speaker 1>Francisco with that kind of trees and things.

502
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<v Speaker 5>I'd probably say it's probably a combination of both. I mean,

503
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:39.039
<v Speaker 5>we're not as close obviously to the ocean as Pebble Beaches,

504
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.640
<v Speaker 5>but we have many vistas in the golf course where

505
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.039
<v Speaker 5>you can get a glimpse of the ocean, where a

506
00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 5>tree lined golf course majority or pine cypress trees and oaks,

507
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<v Speaker 5>But it's the golf course from the back. There's only

508
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<v Speaker 5>sixty five hundred yards, so it's not along golf course,

509
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 5>but it plays as if it could be, you know,

510
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<v Speaker 5>seven thousand yards. But again it's a it's a somewhat

511
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 5>hilly terrain McKenzie. Obviously, being an older style golf course,

512
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<v Speaker 5>there's not a lot of space between teas and greens.

513
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<v Speaker 5>So for those who want to walk, it's very walkable.

514
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<v Speaker 5>I'd say probably you know, sixty sixty five percent of

515
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<v Speaker 5>our members walk the golf course, have motorized trolleys, they

516
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 5>have push carts, they carry their bags. And again, you

517
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 5>walk off the first green and you're you're walking probably

518
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.480
<v Speaker 5>forty to fifty steps to the to the second t

519
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<v Speaker 5>So again it's a it's a very walkable golf course.

520
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.319
<v Speaker 5>But again it's a test. I mean, you're going to

521
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 5>get some some pretty decent hills on the back nine,

522
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<v Speaker 5>But if you're used to walking, I'd walk it for sure.

523
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I definitely will. I play up in Marin

524
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:47.519
<v Speaker 1>County where there are very few level courses out here,

525
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and so and I prefer walking. I love what you know,

526
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.599
<v Speaker 1>especially in a course that I've never played. I found

527
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.640
<v Speaker 1>that I find that when I'm in a golf cart,

528
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 1>all I see is my ball, and I hit the ball,

529
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.519
<v Speaker 1>drive to the ball, hit the drop ball, drive the ball,

530
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 1>and I really don't even remember the golf course. But

531
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>when I walk it, I walk it. I can see

532
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>not only the terrain, but the wildlife and the vistas,

533
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 1>and I can absorb so much more of it and

534
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.279
<v Speaker 1>get into a better rhythm of playing.

535
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<v Speaker 3>For sure.

536
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<v Speaker 1>So I can bring my own push card. I have

537
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<v Speaker 1>to use yours.

538
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<v Speaker 5>You can use yes, either one we have him for rent,

539
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:22.440
<v Speaker 5>or you can bring your own.

540
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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to put you on to a par

541
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<v Speaker 1>five again, either your favorite or the most challenging. And

542
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.759
<v Speaker 1>why and how should we play it? There's three questions

543
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<v Speaker 1>and ones.

544
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<v Speaker 5>I'd probably say number thirteen. Number thirteen is a par

545
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 5>five dog leg left the again. With the restoration project,

546
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 5>the thirteenth tea was extended and the bunkering around the greens,

547
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 5>especially a bunker that plays about sixty seventy yards in

548
00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 5>front of the green, was restored again. It's a good

549
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 5>hole green. The fairway slopes from from right to left,

550
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 5>so drive up the right side of the farewell kind

551
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 5>of trickle and kind of move back to the left

552
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 5>of the fairway. All of the trouble really on the

553
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 5>left side is where you want to avoid. There's out

554
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 5>of bounds on the right, but it's quite a ways away,

555
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.720
<v Speaker 5>so you can really kind of get up that right

556
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 5>side and let it just kind of come back to

557
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 5>the fairway. The second shot, you just got to take

558
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 5>into consideration in that bunker that's about seventy yards ahead

559
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 5>and just lay it up there short, which would give

560
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 5>you a nice and nice little short wedge onto the green.

561
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 5>The big hitters can get there in two you know,

562
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 5>probably with a long iron or a hybrid or a

563
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.680
<v Speaker 5>fairway wood. There's a couple whole locations on that green

564
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.319
<v Speaker 5>that are just nasty. There's a back right location which

565
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 5>is probably one of the hardest locations on the entire

566
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.720
<v Speaker 5>golf course that it's hard to get to because the

567
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 5>green you move from right to left, but the pin

568
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.960
<v Speaker 5>is tucked over to the right. So typically if you're

569
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.480
<v Speaker 5>playing in the skins game and you make a birdie there,

570
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 5>you're usually gonna win a skin. But it's a fantastic hole.

571
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.400
<v Speaker 5>The greenish shaped kind of like Mickey Mouse would call it,

572
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 5>you know, ear one or ear two.

573
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

574
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 5>The head the head basically is the center of the

575
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 5>green and there's two big ears that go on either side,

576
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 5>and it's a it's a fantastic hole.

577
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And do you move the flag to all the ears

578
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and AND's face?

579
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean you all over the place without a doubt.

580
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. So you know the name of this program

581
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>is Golf Smarter, and it's it's not just the name,

582
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>it's the way I choose to play golf. I mean,

583
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really high on the risk reward element because

584
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I find that the that the risk when you're you know,

585
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>the quality of player that I am, and I think

586
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 1>that most golfers are risk is really not worth it

587
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.519
<v Speaker 1>that much. I Mean it seems like, you know, yeah,

588
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll go for it, but then I'm gonna be double

589
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>bogging as supposed to, you know, as opposed to setting

590
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>myself up for a shot that I'm more confident with

591
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and then walk away with a bogie at worst. Right,

592
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 1>So is that par five something that again, strategically speaking,

593
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you should inch your way up to it as opposed

594
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to going for it.

595
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.400
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think it's probably I mean, it really

596
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 5>depends on your game. If you feel like you're a

597
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 5>fairly decent, fairly decent bunker player, I'd say go for it,

598
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 5>because again, the bunkers are very much around the edges

599
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 5>of the greens. And if you go for it and too,

600
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 5>I think it's a fairly easy out and it's not

601
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 5>going to be one of those bunkers like he describe

602
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.359
<v Speaker 5>a number three. You can get the ball into the green.

603
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 5>A lot of stuff funnels to the middle, especially the

604
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 5>flags in the center, but I wouldn't necessarily creep up

605
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 5>on that. I think, you know, the par fives are

606
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 5>some of the holes where you can really kind of

607
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.200
<v Speaker 5>make up a few shots. Typically that's where people kind

608
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 5>of look to say, if they make a bogie and

609
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 5>a par five, they feel like they kind of lost

610
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 5>one maybe to the field. But I think the par

611
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 5>fives are more so the holes you take advantage of

612
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 5>versus kind of inching up on it.

613
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>And what about the bunker conditions, what kind of I mean,

614
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 1>the photographs look like it's pure white sand.

615
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 5>Yes, the beautiful sands. It's very playable some people. It's

616
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 5>it's dense, so that's a little bit more of the

617
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 5>heaviness to it. So a digger in a bunker versus

618
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 5>somebody who can just kind of splash it out and

619
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 5>slide that face underneath is more so the shot versus

620
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 5>than trying to just kind of dig it out with

621
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 5>a shallower sand like some people have on some courses.

622
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>And are most of the bunkers just around the greens

623
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.799
<v Speaker 1>or do you have a lot of fairway bunkers as well?

624
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 1>They create some problems in your head.

625
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's a few. There's a few. On a I'd

626
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.960
<v Speaker 5>say probably half the holes have bunkers. Some bunkers are

627
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 5>in the fairies strictly as aiming points or to kind

628
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 5>of help shape the hole, which was a McKinsey characteristic

629
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 5>as well. So there's some balls that definitely come into

630
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 5>play or some bunkers have come into play, But as

631
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 5>far as the actual difficulty of the ones in the fairway,

632
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:58.240
<v Speaker 5>not really.

633
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Kay, I'm really getting nervous. Yeah, I've definitely played courses

634
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>where I walked away going okay, I want to play

635
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 1>that again right now, you know, And this sounds like

636
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 1>exactly what it's going to be not that it's going

637
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>to be easy to do that, all right. So let's

638
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 1>take a couple, now, a couple of part fours that

639
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you like and admire and are challenged by. Uh, let's

640
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>pick let's pick something on the front nine.

641
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 3>First front nine.

642
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 5>Part four probably would be number two. Actually know what,

643
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 5>I take that back. I'm going to go with number one.

644
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh great, number.

645
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 5>One, Number one, two and three out of the gate

646
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 5>are handicapped, four, eight and two. WHOA, So right out

647
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 5>of the gate, if you can, if you can maneuver

648
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 5>your way through the first three holes, you're you're okay,

649
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, hitting a number four. But it doesn't start

650
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 5>off easy. It starts off with a good challenge. Number

651
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.160
<v Speaker 5>one is a it's a four hundred and six the

652
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 5>yard par four right out of the gate, got the

653
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 5>Monterey Bay in the background. It's a fairly straight hole.

654
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 5>No fairway bunkers, but there is a little there's there's

655
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 5>a little fairway bunker. That's something near the green again

656
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 5>about seventy yards that will catch those second shots for

657
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 5>those people that are, you know, maybe trying to go

658
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 5>for it and maybe just don't get all of it

659
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 5>and catch that bunker right there in the middle. Again

660
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 5>a very long green, probably about thirty eight paces long

661
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.680
<v Speaker 5>from front to back, and with a couple of fairly

662
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 5>large bunkers that guard the right side of the right

663
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 5>side of the green. But again another great hole out

664
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 5>of the gate and actually back in the original design

665
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 5>was a par five with a t being back a

666
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 5>little bit farther up on the hillside, which is one

667
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 5>of the things that I know our board and some

668
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 5>of our board members and our even our general manager

669
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 5>are looking forward to possibly restoring one day. It's not

670
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 5>something that's in the plans, but just something that if

671
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 5>we can restore another piece of Apasta tampo, we'd like

672
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 5>to do it.

673
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>And go ahead. Tell me about number two, a dragon

674
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>tarbardy hole this point.

675
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Number two, I'd say probably is a fair way.

676
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 5>It's probably my favorite driving hole. I hit the ball

677
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 5>right to left and it's a ferry to slopes from

678
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 5>right to left, so I can kind of get it

679
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 5>up that right side and let it come down. It's

680
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 5>a little bit of a downhill. Part four. Again you

681
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 5>can see a nice little view from the tee towards

682
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 5>the Monterey Bay and the saddle of the trees. And again,

683
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 5>very one of our few greens that slope from front

684
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 5>to back. Most of the greens being push up greens,

685
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.000
<v Speaker 5>they're sloping from from back to front. Again, probably you're

686
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 5>going to give leave you about a mid iron into

687
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 5>this green. Probably you'd say, you know, for a drive

688
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 5>that you hit two hundred and forty two hundred and

689
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 5>fifty yards, you'll probably have one hundred and sixty sixty

690
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 5>five left on your second shot. Everything plays from right

691
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 5>to left. There's a bunker that kind of guards the

692
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 5>left side of the green, but if you can get

693
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 5>it up on the right hand side, everything funnels down

694
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 5>onto the green and it releases down towards the hole.

695
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And what about the speed of the greens and also

696
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the undulation overall?

697
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 5>In general, our role is basically running at ten to

698
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 5>five with the undulations. I mean, obviously a downhelp I

699
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 5>can get as going as quick as fifteen just simply

700
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 5>based on severity from back to front. But if you're

701
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 5>just basically if we're doing looking at a stip meter reading,

702
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 5>our goal is to get him at ten to five daily.

703
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Erry. That's very competitive, yeah, to say the least. All right,

704
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>let's pick a couple hole, a couple par fours in

705
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the back nine that's easy.

706
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 5>Eleven and sixteen. Eleven and sixteen are or sixteen is

707
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 5>probably McKenzie's most famous hole. It was his number one

708
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 5>favorite hole of all the golf golf holes he designed

709
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 5>in the United States. It's our number three handicap hole.

710
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 5>Sixteen is four tiers on the green, slipping from back

711
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 5>to front. There's probably again another green that's probably forty

712
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 5>paces long and probably has roughly seven to eight whole locations,

713
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 5>one being middle left, which is just a diabolical position

714
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 5>because if you go for it and you go into

715
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 5>the road. I was there yesterday and just happened to

716
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 5>make a birdy myself, so that got me a skin wow.

717
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.320
<v Speaker 5>And then again the hole is when you look at

718
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 5>it and you come over the hill from off the

719
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 5>tee and you stand at the top and you look

720
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 5>at that green, it's just amazing. It's just crazy. I

721
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 5>mean you're standing at the bottom of the green or

722
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 5>from the top of the green. It's probably it's got

723
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 5>to be twenty feet from height from front to back.

724
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything about number sixteen that ended up in Atlanta?

725
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, in Augusta, I think probably just simply the false fronts.

726
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think there again one of those things

727
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.039
<v Speaker 5>that if your ball doesn't get all the way up

728
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 5>or up to the top of the tier and it

729
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 5>starts trickling back at all, roll all the way off

730
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.519
<v Speaker 5>the front of the green, and just some of the

731
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 5>severity of the er the bunker in there. But yeah,

732
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 5>when you want, if you look at Augusta and you

733
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 5>one and you come play pasta Tampa, you can see

734
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 5>the similarities pretty much right away.

735
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 1>That's so cool that that you can't do that on

736
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>on either either side of the country. You are alluding

737
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to number eleven as well.

738
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 5>Number eleven is the number one handicap pole. It's an

739
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 5>uphill part four. It's not super long, but it is demanding.

740
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 5>On the second shot, the drive is relatively benign. Got

741
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.400
<v Speaker 5>a pretty straightaway fairway. There's a little hazard on the

742
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 5>left hand side that if you hook it and get

743
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 5>it going left, you can you can roll into the hazard.

744
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 5>But once you're once you're in the fairway. The second

745
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 5>shot is the key. The green kind of slopes a

746
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 5>little bit, kind of kitty corner to the side and

747
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 5>kind of away from you, so you're actually trying to

748
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 5>carry the fairway bunker or excuse me, you're trying to

749
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 5>carry the hazard and the green side bunkers onto the

750
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 5>green and then the green itself is is again one

751
00:36:58.000 --> 00:36:59.840
<v Speaker 5>of those Mackenzie greens where if you get it, don't

752
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 5>get it all the way up that rolls off the front,

753
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 5>or a nice bridge that goes across the canyon once

754
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 5>you hit your second shot to drive up to the

755
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.360
<v Speaker 5>green and again a great vista standing on that eleventh

756
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 5>green and then to the next t, the twelfth t

757
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 5>that kind of looks back towards the Lottery Bay and

758
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 5>even up towards half of them bay.

759
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the t tour on those. When you talk

760
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>about getting giving lessons to the members, do you also

761
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 1>get visitors who come in saying, I need a lesson

762
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 1>before I start playing to understand how to play this course.

763
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Do you get a lot at the end of that.

764
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean we get some quite a bit of

765
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 5>a request for plane lessons. It's not something that we

766
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 5>typically do on the golf course, but I've had people

767
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 5>come in and just want to sit for a half

768
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 5>hour or forty five minutes and take that much time

769
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 5>and try to pay me to give them the description

770
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 5>of how to play the golf course, where for me

771
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 5>it's you know, it's something that I just do. As

772
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 5>far as you know, people coming out to play the

773
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 5>golf course and enjoy themselves are given as a bunch

774
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 5>of information I can at no charge. But there's you know,

775
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 5>there are people that want to be able to kind

776
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 5>of know before they go out there because this might

777
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 5>be the only time we're able to play it. So

778
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 5>instead of you know, experiencing those oh I should have

779
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 5>done it this way this time, they understand that, you know,

780
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 5>we're not to miss the miss the ball. And I'm

781
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 5>more than happy to share that information with them.

782
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>And that's why you put a lot of that information

783
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>on the website. You can just tell them just yeah,

784
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>read the website. I already gave that information out.

785
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 5>Yes, And we do also have you know, golf lessons

786
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 5>here and like I said, I I give public lessons

787
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 5>and member lessons and my staff is also here. I

788
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 5>have three golf professionals other than myself that they give

789
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 5>golf lessons as well. So we're we're definitely open to

790
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 5>open to the public for lessons.

791
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a good size staff for for of course

792
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 1>that that's a good size teaching staff generally.

793
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, yes, Let's talk about.

794
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>The rating and slope of the different t boxes so

795
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 1>I can get a sense of because I'm not I'll

796
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>tell you now, I'm not playing from the back teas.

797
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 3>I hear you.

798
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what what kind of rating slope and where

799
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>should you know? We'll get to that next question, but

800
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the rating and.

801
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 5>Slope back teaser. It's rated over seventy two, so it's

802
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 5>seventy two point four and one forty three slope. So

803
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 5>again one description. Yeah, the description I've had with everybody

804
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 5>on the on the air to day is pretty accurate.

805
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 5>And the slope reflect it as well as the course rating.

806
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 5>And I think most people that I would tell that

807
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.320
<v Speaker 5>come out here and they look at that sixty five

808
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 5>twenty one yardage. Like I said earlier, they all want

809
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 5>to play the back teas and by the time they

810
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 5>get to the back of the fourth hole, they say, hey, guys,

811
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 5>just play the whites, so.

812
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>They don't look at the one forty three. That makes

813
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.760
<v Speaker 1>me nuts. Why people look at the yardage and not

814
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the rating.

815
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 5>Or slope correct if it's under seven thousand yards, is

816
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 5>kind of the barometer and what I've scene. If it's

817
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 5>under seven thousand yards, they're going to play the back

818
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.559
<v Speaker 5>tees and sometimes it's just a mistake and they probably

819
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 5>would have had a better time playing the middle teest.

820
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Sure, okay, so that's the how many sets of tees

821
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:10.239
<v Speaker 1>do you have?

822
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 5>Three?

823
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay? So then your middle teas are what the uh,

824
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the blue.

825
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 5>The middle ties are the white teas. So the championship

826
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 5>for the gold and the middle tees are the white.

827
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.880
<v Speaker 5>At seventy point eight.

828
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 1>One is still not a walk in the park.

829
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.079
<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, no, it's it's still a test, trust me.

830
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 5>It's it's a test from the green teas. I mean

831
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:40.360
<v Speaker 5>the green teas, which are our forward tees, are sixty

832
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 5>eight point nine one thirty for the men. So it's

833
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 5>it's still it's still a good test.

834
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to see if I can convince you know,

835
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been invited to come down with a friend in

836
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 1>some of his colleagues, and I'm going to see if

837
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 1>these guys will swallow and say, come on, let's play

838
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the green and see how they go about. It's like

839
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not playing the ladies teas. It's like, oh, really you.

840
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.320
<v Speaker 5>Know, well, you know what a good A good alternative

841
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.519
<v Speaker 5>is to play the combo teas, which is a we

842
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:14.400
<v Speaker 5>have both a white gold tea combo and we also

843
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 5>have a white green tea combo. Okay, So and those

844
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 5>and those courses are a little bit more subtle than

845
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.519
<v Speaker 5>what we're talking about.

846
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah. I mean it's when guys give me this

847
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>this argument of like, I'm not going to play the

848
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 1>fronties you kidding? It's like, oh, excuse me, could you

849
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>shoot par if you play in the fronties exactly? And

850
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>they're like no, let's say then, why are you being

851
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 1>such a jerk about it?

852
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Exactly?

853
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, So uh there you mentioned you know that

854
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 1>when the course was open nineteen twenty nine, the country

855
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 1>was going through bad times and it made it difficult

856
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>for the course. At that point here in California, we're

857
00:41:56.000 --> 00:42:00.039
<v Speaker 1>having a difficult time right now with water. Yes, And

858
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 1>how is that impacting a destination course, a member course

859
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 1>in the mountains near the ocean. What kind of impact

860
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 1>is that having and what are you doing about it?

861
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's impacting us pretty severely. I mean at this

862
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.760
<v Speaker 5>at this point where we've been we've been cut fifty

863
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 5>percent by the City of Santa Cruz. We are we're

864
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 5>obviously are greens tees, approaches, surrounds are receiving one hundred

865
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 5>percent of their water needs. Are fairies and roughs are

866
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 5>receiving pretty much about the other forty percent. So the

867
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 5>golf courses is playing firm and fast. We're obviously doing

868
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 5>our part where we're using every every drop that's allotted

869
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 5>to us. We're not saving anything for financial purposes. We're

870
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 5>putting all the water that we can on the golf

871
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.960
<v Speaker 5>course just to maintain playability. And and like I said,

872
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.239
<v Speaker 5>it's it's firm and fast. They played yesterday. I played

873
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 5>the ball down and it was fine. I mean there's

874
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 5>there's some firm wise, I mean it's not wash and wet,

875
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 5>but it's I think for me personally, it's a lot

876
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 5>closer to the way that it should be playing anyway.

877
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 5>I always I think people get a little bit too

878
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 5>concerned about perfect playing conditions. And you look at the

879
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.400
<v Speaker 5>British Open, you look at golf courses in Britain, or

880
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 5>in Ireland, or in Scotland or New Zealand. When I

881
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 5>went back and played there that you know, the fairwayes

882
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 5>are green when the rains that they turn green. When

883
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 5>they don't, when it doesn't rain, they turn brown. But

884
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 5>the green complexes and the teas are always good. And

885
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 5>that's kind of where we are right now. The golf

886
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 5>course again is true McKinsey design, and we're just trying

887
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 5>to make do and getting through this period.

888
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 1>What is the conversation in the industry in northern California.

889
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how Southern California they're throwing their nose

890
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 1>up at it, I don't know. But what is the

891
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 1>water conversation as opposed to conservation, the conversation going on

892
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 1>among golf courses about what to do and how to

893
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>deal with this crisis?

894
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think you know, most most people now are

895
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 5>looking at water alternatives. I mean, we're right now in

896
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 5>the talks for the City of Scotts Valley to to

897
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 5>get tertiary treated to water to the golf course if

898
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 5>you want to call it second water gray water, and

899
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 5>have a treatment plant here on property or the pump

900
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.880
<v Speaker 5>station to get into our irrigation system. And then we're

901
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.480
<v Speaker 5>researching wells. You know, there's so many issues with wells

902
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 5>right now, and and just for people that have farm

903
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 5>landing crops and you know, they're pretty tied up, so

904
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:41.599
<v Speaker 5>us trying to track down a well digger to get

905
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 5>over here to do it. And we're pretty low in

906
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 5>the tunnel pol when it comes to when it comes

907
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.320
<v Speaker 5>to golf courses when people are trying to save their

908
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 5>crops and their livelihood. So those are probably the two

909
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 5>biggest thing is instead of getting you know, fresh water,

910
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 5>it's going to be secondary treated water and well water.

911
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 5>And that's really where we are right now. And we're

912
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, we're hoping to have a solution within the

913
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 5>next couple of months, and we should be, we should

914
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 5>be in full force with our new solution by next spring. Today,

915
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.119
<v Speaker 5>I know that they're dying to know when we're gonna

916
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.079
<v Speaker 5>when we're going to have this done, and when it's

917
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.480
<v Speaker 5>going to be done, and we're going to know within

918
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 5>the next couple of months.

919
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>When you say they want to know when we're going

920
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to be done, who's the.

921
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 5>They, I'd say the members, Uh huh.

922
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 1>And what about the management company?

923
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 5>Uh? Well, the members are the man of the company.

924
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 5>The members own the corporation that's an equity membership, that's

925
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 5>a far stock and they own the place.

926
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, so yeah, it's their call. Well, luckily they're local.

927
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not as if it's an ownership company that's based

928
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>in in Georgia or Texas, who you know, or Florida

929
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that just doesn't necessarily get what's going on water wise here.

930
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.119
<v Speaker 5>Correct, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's really I mean you

931
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 5>start looking at localized problems. It's really something that is

932
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 5>not affecting the entire entire nation. On the water shortage obviously.

933
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 5>I mean we were in like I said, we were

934
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 5>in Courtley in Idaho and played golf and there's no

935
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 5>lack of water and I and I'll tell you that.

936
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 5>I mean the guys got their hand watering. I mean

937
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.119
<v Speaker 5>the golf courses was squishy, and it was probably ninety

938
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 5>five degrees and it was so wet. The humidity was

939
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 5>just stifling. So there's certain areas that are water flesh,

940
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 5>no pun intended. I got it.

941
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I got the joke. Yeah. Well, it's going to be

942
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting to see how this plays out in northern California

943
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>for the golf courses because I know that there are

944
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of very nervous managers course managers, right, no doubt. Yeah,

945
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of frustrated golfers too, who are winding

946
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and they're whining about the conditions. That's like, oh my god,

947
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>this course. Look at how brown it is, Like, are

948
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 1>you kidding your commenting on it being brown?

949
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 5>Yes, come, yes, Well, we also are very sensitive to

950
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 5>the fact of what's going on and the amount of

951
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 5>money that people are playing to pay golf, play golf.

952
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 5>So we've you know, we've instituted a program where we're

953
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 5>giving out the beginning August first, we're giving out fifty

954
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.800
<v Speaker 5>dollars vouchers to people to use for a future round.

955
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 5>So they come on and play between August first and

956
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 5>September thirtieth, they give them a fifty dollars voucher. They

957
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 5>can use that for a future around. Let's get through

958
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 5>December of twenty fifteen. So we want to do it's

959
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 5>a good will gesture in our part to say we

960
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 5>appreciate you coming out. Here's fifty bucks off, come back

961
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 5>and see us again.

962
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I'm glad I'm coming after August first, Yes, sir,

963
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and you don't have to answer this because I know

964
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>these things fluctuate. But what is a green fee?

965
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 5>Green fees are two hundred and thirty dollars walking and

966
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 5>to sixty two to ride. Once in a while, we'll

967
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 5>look at the t sheet, probably sometimes forty eight hours

968
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.199
<v Speaker 5>seventy two hours in advance, and see if we have

969
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 5>a block between say one and three o'clock that's open.

970
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 5>We'll throw up a special on our website for one

971
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.960
<v Speaker 5>sixty five and you can go right to our website,

972
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 5>which is Pasta Tampo dot com. Right in the middle

973
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 5>of the page, there's a book Ta Times page and

974
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 5>you can bring it up and check out specials and

975
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 5>our rates twenty four to seven.

976
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.639
<v Speaker 1>I love the name Pasa tiempo. It is so Spanish

977
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and it is so perfect for golf.

978
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, yes it is pastime, Yes, yes it is.

979
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 5>And our logo, which is I'm not sure if you've

980
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 5>seen it. It's probably one of the most recognizable logos

981
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.639
<v Speaker 5>and obviously was voted one of the top fifty by

982
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 5>Golf Guy just several years ago. It's it's really cool.

983
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 5>So you got to get yourself a shirt.

984
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll be definitely checking this ail rack when I

985
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 1>get there, because after paying two thirty to walker, of course,

986
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna my wife's like, oh, and you bought a

987
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 1>shirt too. Really, really you bought oh yeah shirt, here's

988
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 1>the shorts and look at my jacket. She's right, you're

989
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>out of here, all right. Well, ken Woods head professional

990
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 1>at PASA Tempo. I really appreciate your time and your

991
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>tea tour and the tips and the insights and the

992
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>history lesson that was phenomenal. Thank you so much.

993
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:12.719
<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you fair. I appreciate you having me and

994
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 5>we'll look forward to seeing you next week.