Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty eight. But first,
Speaker 1: I want to share this phone call with you that
Speaker 1: I made this morning. Okay, I'm going to call it
Speaker 1: Tim Kilkenny, longtime Golf Smarter listener. Hi, it is Tim, Hey,
Speaker 1: Tim Fred Green.
Speaker 2: Hey, Cred. How are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm fine? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Thanks. I'm playing golf better than that forever.
Speaker 2: And I was emailing you because I was so excited.
Speaker 2: I made my first hole in one.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: On Friday, August first, I was playing at my home
Speaker 2: course and I aced number fourteen. It was sweet.
Speaker 1: How long have you been playing at that club?
Speaker 2: About six years? And a couple of my friends have
Speaker 2: had hole in ones. I've seen a couple, but I've
Speaker 2: never had one.
Speaker 1: And why do you think this was the time for
Speaker 1: you to get a hole in one?
Speaker 2: It's probably just coincidental. But I really liked your interview.
Speaker 2: I think I listened to it on Wednesday. But your
Speaker 2: most recent episode.
Speaker 1: Darren g from Hawaii, Yeah right, be Frustrated Golfer's Handbook.
Speaker 2: He was talking about how you can make a hole
Speaker 2: in one and his philosophy of picking a part of
Speaker 2: the green where the flag was dividing it up and saying,
Speaker 2: you know, this is the area that I'm going for.
Speaker 2: And I made a very confident swing right where I
Speaker 2: wanted to hit it, and for the first time ever,
Speaker 2: it went in the hole.
Speaker 1: As soon as you struck the ball, you felt.
Speaker 2: What it was pure. I mean, it was one of
Speaker 2: the best purest shots I've ever hit. It was a
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty four yard back right pin over water.
Speaker 3: Wow, I had a kick iron right.
Speaker 2: At the pin. It went right at it the whole way.
Speaker 1: And so did it bounce, bounce, drop or did it
Speaker 1: roll for a while? Did it back up? What did
Speaker 1: the ball do when it landed?
Speaker 2: It bounced once in front and pass the pin and
Speaker 2: spun right back into the pin.
Speaker 1: And did everyone go nuts?
Speaker 2: There was jumping and dancing.
Speaker 1: And what happened after the round?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I got to go in and tell everybody
Speaker 2: about the hole in one. And there were several hundred
Speaker 2: people at the club.
Speaker 1: And how many of those people did you tell about
Speaker 1: golf smarter and that that's why you got your hole
Speaker 1: in one?
Speaker 2: Now, see, that's what I could have done better. Right out,
Speaker 2: I got all.
Speaker 1: So you you're not sure. You you're too scientific about this,
Speaker 1: You don't you think it's just coincidence, And I'm saying no, no,
Speaker 1: it's actually because Darren told you you can get a
Speaker 1: hole in one if you have the right mindset. Just
Speaker 1: think about getting this hole in one. Just I can
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, we all know. Confidence there is
Speaker 2: a huge part of it, you know. And having the
Speaker 2: confidence to make a part, Having the confidence to hit
Speaker 2: a shot that you need to hit to a scary pin.
Speaker 2: You know, that's always a tough part. But you're right,
Speaker 2: you can't make it, and you can't. You can't make
Speaker 2: a whole online like that, having that confidence to go
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Well, I am so excited for you. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for sharing this and congratulations again.
Speaker 3: Thanks Chret.
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Speaker 5: App Pasa champles of a standalone golf course. When you
Speaker 5: start looking at the likes of Pinehurst and Whistling Streets
Speaker 5: and Bandon Dunes and Double Beach who has Spyglass and
Speaker 5: eldl Monti in Spanish Bay. I mean that's a destination
Speaker 5: where you're going there to play golf and oh, by
Speaker 5: the way, we're going to go play Spanish bass. For here,
Speaker 5: you need to be coming here on your way to Pebble,
Speaker 5: on your way back from Pebble, or you're coming here
Speaker 5: strictly to play golf, versus just running into the golf
Speaker 5: course at another round you're going to play that week.
Speaker 5: People associate Posit Tampa with being private, which I think
Speaker 5: is something that I've fought the last ten years of
Speaker 5: people and you know, golf professionals will call me and say, hey, Ken,
Speaker 5: this is so and so from XYZ Country Club. My
Speaker 5: members would love to come play your golf course. Is
Speaker 5: there any possible way you can play? And then of
Speaker 5: course I say yeah, And we're a semi private, we're
Speaker 5: semi public, and we're open to come on out and
Speaker 5: play and we can work something out for you and
Speaker 5: get you on the golf course. So I think that's
Speaker 5: still a mis number and who kind of fought that
Speaker 5: reputation for the last several years. Then we're trying to
Speaker 5: change that.
Speaker 1: The history and a t tour of legendary posit Tippo
Speaker 1: golf Course.
Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.
Speaker 3: Ken, Hello, Fred, How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. How is the weather in beautiful
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz today, Well, we had just.
Speaker 5: Came out a little bit of a hot spell and
Speaker 5: we're about seventy two today and get a nice clear
Speaker 5: view across the bay towards Pebble Beach and Cypress Point
Speaker 5: and it's pretty during good today.
Speaker 1: So you are in your northern California. We're trying to
Speaker 1: set this up for people who aren't familiar with the
Speaker 1: area who live all over the world. And it is
Speaker 1: in the hills of Santa Cruz, which is north of Monterey.
Speaker 1: Lots of people have heard of Monterey. Correct, and you're
Speaker 1: looking down on the Monterey Bay. You have a view
Speaker 1: of the Monterey Bay from where you.
Speaker 5: Are, that is correct. Yeah, Santa Cruz is on the
Speaker 5: other side of the Monterey Bay, which is basically shaped
Speaker 5: like a horseshoe. We are just outside of Santa Cruz
Speaker 5: in the Santa Cruz Mountains right at the base of
Speaker 5: the mountains. Our view looks basically across from our pro
Speaker 5: shop and the first tee looks across and you can
Speaker 5: see you can't see the golf courses obviously, but you
Speaker 5: can see the tip of Cypress Point and Pebble Beach area.
Speaker 5: But it's yeah, right on the other side and just
Speaker 5: outside of San Cruz. It's a beautiful spot.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing spot. I'm very excited. I'm coming out
Speaker 1: there next week. I get to play for the first time,
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited to come. I'm nervous about it,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: Well, it's one of those golf courses that if you
Speaker 5: haven't played it, I mean, this is one where when
Speaker 5: you walk off the golf course and you think to yourself,
Speaker 5: you know, what if I had have played this, you know,
Speaker 5: one or two times prior, I probably would have done
Speaker 5: things a little bit differently, just strictly based on where
Speaker 5: you miss it and where you don't want to miss it.
Speaker 5: Holds you want to tack holes, you don't want to
Speaker 5: tack it in the center of the green, that type
Speaker 5: of thing, because if you short side yourself when he's
Speaker 5: Mackenzie Green's boy. It doesn't matter how great a chip
Speaker 5: you had, you're gonna you're gonna end up. You know,
Speaker 5: quite a way to below the hole.
Speaker 1: So this is why I called you get to get
Speaker 1: some local knowledge before I come down, so I don't embarrass.
Speaker 5: Myself, I understand.
Speaker 1: But before we get into the playability of possible tempo,
Speaker 1: let's talk about its incredible history and any insights beyond
Speaker 1: what we can read on the website, and any stories
Speaker 1: that you know of I would love to hear.
Speaker 5: Well. Probably my favorite story and the one I've probably
Speaker 5: told the most. I did a piece for the Golf Channel.
Speaker 5: God probably five six years ago never heard of. One
Speaker 5: of my favorite stories is really how positive Tampa came
Speaker 5: to be. It was back in nineteen twenty nine when
Speaker 5: the course was built and Bobby Jones had gone down
Speaker 5: to Pebble Beast to play in the United States Amateur
Speaker 5: Championship and strangely enough lost in the first round, and
Speaker 5: Marion Hollins, who obviously was the owner of the golf
Speaker 5: course and the property, and who had hired Alistrom McKenzie
Speaker 5: to build the golf course, she invited Bobby Jones to
Speaker 5: join the foursome to play on opening day, which was
Speaker 5: September nineteen twenty nine. So legend has it, and story
Speaker 5: has it and documented is that after playing the golf course,
Speaker 5: he loved it so much that he had owned this
Speaker 5: little piece of property back in Augusta, Georgia we now
Speaker 5: call Augusta National, and that's when he hired doctor Arlister
Speaker 5: Mackenzie to design Augusta National.
Speaker 1: So that so then Passa Tempo is the parent of
Speaker 1: Augusta National, of the where the Masters is playing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the combination of his time a Cyprus Point and
Speaker 5: then his time at Pasa Tiempo kind of just threw
Speaker 5: him over the edge and says, you know, there's not
Speaker 5: another designer I want for this golf course. And he
Speaker 5: went ahead and hired Mackenzie too to make that happen.
Speaker 1: Amazing. So how is it that that Marion Hollins got
Speaker 1: to own the piece of property that is now Passa Tempo.
Speaker 5: I think really, I mean it was just basically it
Speaker 5: was a piece of property she had from New York
Speaker 5: and she was obviously extremely wealthy for those times, and
Speaker 5: this was a place that she had purchased. It was
Speaker 5: more so for not only championship golf, but for equestrian
Speaker 5: there was you know, at the time when the golf
Speaker 5: course opened, I mean there were the likes of Clark
Speaker 5: Gable and and other people who had come to this
Speaker 5: area and to basically not only play golf, but to
Speaker 5: just relax. I mean there was beach homes and stables
Speaker 5: and equestrian centers which was are just north of us
Speaker 5: in Scott's Valley, and she had quite a handle on
Speaker 5: the property and really just trying to create a type
Speaker 5: of a lifestyle for people, but really just kind of
Speaker 5: saw the property as as an opportunity and made the purchase.
Speaker 5: I don't know exactly at the time what she paid,
Speaker 5: but I know that she did acquire it back and
Speaker 5: some tough times and then obviously got tougher with the
Speaker 5: depression right around the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which so wait, the course opened up nineteen twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and wasn't the crash just around.
Speaker 5: Then, Yes, exactly? Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow. And I understand that Marion Hollins was quite an
Speaker 1: accomplished golfer, let alone equestrian and many other things.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes she was. She was an amateur champ herself.
Speaker 5: I mean, she competed at the highest level in amateur competition,
Speaker 5: and you know, I think at the time where we
Speaker 5: had opening Day, I mean Cyril Talley, which was another
Speaker 5: British amateur that was a great player in Glenna Collette
Speaker 5: also who was a was a champion her own. Right,
Speaker 5: we're playing and competing during kind of the same the
Speaker 5: same time frame.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. So what exactly is it that you do there?
Speaker 1: Explain to us what your your position is at Pasa Tiempo.
Speaker 1: How long you been there?
Speaker 5: My position is the head golf professional. I basically manage
Speaker 5: and run the golf operations, which obviously the merchandise, the
Speaker 5: outside staff, the inside staff, all of the locker room facilities.
Speaker 5: Obviously do quite a bit of teaching to the membership,
Speaker 5: mostly my assistants teach a lot to the general public,
Speaker 5: and I take care of mostly member lessons. But it's
Speaker 5: your prototypical golf professional job duties. I get to play
Speaker 5: a little bit. When I played yesterday and putting the
Speaker 5: skins game and not by th I wasn't trying to
Speaker 5: do it, but I ended up weighing six skins out
Speaker 5: of ten off the members, which sometimes is good and
Speaker 5: sometimes if you do too often, you might take a
Speaker 5: little bit of heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might lose your invitations.
Speaker 5: But I enjoy the playing aspect of it. I don't
Speaker 5: get to play as much as I as I like to.
Speaker 5: Most of my golf these days is club golf. I'll play,
Speaker 5: you know. I just took a trip with twenty members
Speaker 5: to court Alaine, Idaho, and spent a week there and played.
Speaker 5: And we've been up to Abandon and Versada Ranch up
Speaker 5: in Oregon. Had a great time up there, obviously, all
Speaker 5: great facilities and wonderful people up there, and the members
Speaker 5: like to bounce around and I like doing that.
Speaker 1: For him, that sounds like a lot of fun. Of
Speaker 1: all the instructors that I've ever had on the program,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about hundreds at this point, nobody gets
Speaker 1: to play as much golf as they'd like to anymore.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 1: They think they get into you know, oh, I'm going
Speaker 1: to become a you know, they grow up being great
Speaker 1: players and they think they're going to be a golf
Speaker 1: professional so they can play a lot of golf, and
Speaker 1: you find out that that's not really the case.
Speaker 5: It's true. I just yeah, your your job evolved and
Speaker 5: your responsibilities change, and next thing, you know, you're you know,
Speaker 5: you're busy, and it's for me, it's if I go
Speaker 5: out and play golf right now, and I'll you spend
Speaker 5: four hours or four and a half hours on the
Speaker 5: golf course, I'll walk back into you know, twenty voicemails
Speaker 5: and fifty emails that I probably could have tackled if
Speaker 5: I was you know, still you know, on the job,
Speaker 5: working in my office. So yeah, it's a it's a
Speaker 5: give and take. I mean, you just have to balance
Speaker 5: the two. And I think we all want to play
Speaker 5: more of it, and we understand that that's not this
Speaker 5: big job anymore. We've got some other stuff we got
Speaker 5: to take care of.
Speaker 1: But Posit Tampo is a public course.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we have you. We're a semi private club,
Speaker 5: semi okay or semi public, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5: We have a we have a membership of roughly five
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty members. We have just over four hundred
Speaker 5: shares of stock, so it's an equity membership and you
Speaker 5: can you can purchase a share of stock and then
Speaker 5: that doesn't give you necessarily the right to play golf,
Speaker 5: but it does get you gives you the ability to
Speaker 5: purchase your annual membership, so we have stockholders and we
Speaker 5: also have stockholder members so again it's an investment possibly
Speaker 5: or you can utilize that ownership of your stock and
Speaker 5: buy your annual for the year.
Speaker 1: I get it, okay, And it is because it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's such a high profile location, you know, near Monterey,
Speaker 1: and you have amazing courses that are known around the world.
Speaker 1: Pasa Tiempo is not as famous as those, probably because
Speaker 1: it's not been on the tour as much or why
Speaker 1: do you think that it's not as high profile as
Speaker 1: the other courses in Monterey.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: We kind of have this conversation at the board level
Speaker 5: as well as you know, amongst staff that you know,
Speaker 5: Pasita Tampa is a standalone golf course when you start
Speaker 5: looking at the likes of Pinehurst and Whistling Streets and
Speaker 5: Bandon Dunes and Pebble Beach, who has Spyglass and Eldlmanti
Speaker 5: in Spanish Bay, I mean that's it's a destination where
Speaker 5: you're going there to play golf and oh, by the way,
Speaker 5: we're going to go play Spanish basins. We're here. Posit
Speaker 5: Tampo is that it's your you need to be coming
Speaker 5: here on your way to Pebble, on your way back
Speaker 5: from Pebble, or you're coming here strictly to play golf
Speaker 5: versus just running into the golf course as another round
Speaker 5: you're going to play that week. I still think, you know,
Speaker 5: people associate Pasita Tampa would be in private, which I
Speaker 5: think is something that I've fought the last ten years
Speaker 5: with people. And you know, golf professionals will call me
Speaker 5: and say, hey, again, this is so and so from
Speaker 5: X y Z Country Club and you know my members
Speaker 5: would love to come play your golf course. Is there
Speaker 5: any possible way you can play? And then of course
Speaker 5: I say yeah, and we're SENDI private, We're SENDI public again,
Speaker 5: what however you want to call it, and we're open
Speaker 5: to come on out and play and we can work
Speaker 5: something out for you and get you on the golf course.
Speaker 5: So I think that's still a mis number, and we've
Speaker 5: kind of fought that that reputation for the last several years.
Speaker 5: Then we're obviously trying to change that.
Speaker 1: For people who are considering flying to the San Francisco
Speaker 1: Bay area, you can fly into San Francisco, or if
Speaker 1: you fly if you're headed down to Monterey, you may
Speaker 1: even just fly into San Jose. But the drive that
Speaker 1: you're going to take, either from San Francisco or San Jose,
Speaker 1: you have to go over the Santa Cruz Mountains and
Speaker 1: as you're driving there, all of a sudden you go,
Speaker 1: Pasa Tiempo. Right right, it's right there on the way.
Speaker 5: And yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a nice little side stop at least
Speaker 1: for a meal and for the views. But you might
Speaker 1: want to consider putting it on your plans to play
Speaker 1: around there. So you don't really see it as a
Speaker 1: destination course though like the other ones there.
Speaker 5: Right, No, that's true, that's true. Like I say, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's it's its own zone golf course. I mean it's
Speaker 5: the only Alistair McKinsey golf course in our area that
Speaker 5: you're able to play and and and play as a
Speaker 5: daily fee golf course. I mean, we're number three in
Speaker 5: the state of California, of course, as you can play
Speaker 5: next to Tubble Beach and Spyglass And not too long ago,
Speaker 5: Matchanel from the Golf Channel put us number one, and
Speaker 5: we have that link on our website where he said
Speaker 5: Pasta Tempo's the number one golf course to play head
Speaker 5: of spy glass and pebble and you know, which is
Speaker 5: obviously a huge thing for us. And even just be
Speaker 5: in the top three, obviously it's a it's a great honor.
Speaker 5: But to be you know, thrown in there at number
Speaker 5: one by mat Janelle, who is a friend of mine
Speaker 5: and obviously who I respect, even more so since he
Speaker 5: gave us number one. But it was, it's very very
Speaker 5: nice and it feels good awesome.
Speaker 1: Let's, uh, let's talk about the playability of the course.
Speaker 1: Let's get some tips on some hole and your features
Speaker 1: things like that. So let's let's uh, let's start with
Speaker 1: the features of the course and what it means to
Speaker 1: be an Alistair mackenzie course.
Speaker 5: Well, you obviously look at the green complexes in the
Speaker 5: in the bunkering is number one. I mean, that's those
Speaker 5: are the things that truly make the Alistair mckennay golf courses.
Speaker 5: When you look at when you watch the Masters, or
Speaker 5: you see the President's Cup a year or two ago
Speaker 5: at at the Royal Melbourne, Pictures of Cyprus point, I
Speaker 5: mean the bunkering of of how strategic they're placed, you know,
Speaker 5: the design of them, A lot of the different fingers
Speaker 5: the greens obviously have pretty severe undulations, and some of
Speaker 5: them with a lot of false fronts where balls can't
Speaker 5: either even off the back of the green, off the
Speaker 5: front of the green can roll off and into maybe
Speaker 5: into a bunker or into a transition area. So it's
Speaker 5: it's really, you know, McKenzie was really a boy risk reward.
Speaker 5: He was also obviously about making the golf course fair.
Speaker 5: But it's one of those things where if you're if
Speaker 5: you're testing the golf course and testing a certain hole
Speaker 5: location at a McKinsey course, especially Aposta Tampo, is that
Speaker 5: if you, like I say, if you go too long
Speaker 5: or you short side yourself, you're you're going to pay dearly.
Speaker 1: So is it not a good idea to be laying
Speaker 1: up on some of the holes just to get yourself
Speaker 1: in position, or is it smarter to go for it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well again, that's that's kind of that thing I
Speaker 5: said when we first got on the air today, was
Speaker 5: looking at those certain holes where you really feel like
Speaker 5: you can take advantage of as a risk reward and
Speaker 5: possibly even being able to play the golf course once
Speaker 5: or twice before we're getting here. But for first timers,
Speaker 5: I mean I have a hole by whole description on
Speaker 5: our website. They kind of take everybody through the hole
Speaker 5: of what club to hit and what club not to hit.
Speaker 5: But you can see on certain holes out of here
Speaker 5: that if you look at a particular whole location, I mean,
Speaker 5: you're going to know. I mean, if you're a if
Speaker 5: you're a fairly knowledgeable golfer, that you're going to look
Speaker 5: at that thing and say, well, if I miss this
Speaker 5: thing right, I don't think I'm going to be able
Speaker 5: to get this up them down. So yeah, going for it.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is why the golf course was built.
Speaker 5: It was built as a match to play golf course,
Speaker 5: and it's a perfect situation for that. Because if you're
Speaker 5: down one or two down and you want to take
Speaker 5: a risk of throwing a ball up towards a flag
Speaker 5: that's way up in the right corner of the green
Speaker 5: to try to make birdie to win that hole, then
Speaker 5: go for it. But if not, you might end up
Speaker 5: being three down.
Speaker 1: And are the greens really large or they traditionally in
Speaker 1: the old you know, in the twenties and stuff, the
Speaker 1: greens were a lot smaller.
Speaker 5: Well, that might be another conversation that we'll have today,
Speaker 5: But the greens were smaller until Tom Doak came in
Speaker 5: and did his redesign back in five and oh seven,
Speaker 5: and a lot of the fingers of the greens came back,
Speaker 5: a lot of the expansion from the front and the
Speaker 5: back on the sides came back into play, which got
Speaker 5: closer to a lot of those green side bunkers that
Speaker 5: had kind of gotten away from those bunkers through the
Speaker 5: years of just maybe imperfections or just mowing patterns or
Speaker 5: maybe lack of staff on the golf course back in
Speaker 5: the maybe the forties or fifties, sixties. But the greens
Speaker 5: are fairly big, especially for an older style golf course,
Speaker 5: and again have gotten bigger over the last several years
Speaker 5: after the restoration.
Speaker 1: Interesting, did you get a lot of pushback from the
Speaker 1: traditionalists the purest when that then they redesigned was complete.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I think I think, really, when you
Speaker 5: look back at it, it's really trying to take it
Speaker 5: back to the way it was as much as we could.
Speaker 5: I think I think there were certain affection of the
Speaker 5: membership that just wanted to leave it alone. They thought
Speaker 5: it was good the way it was. But again that's
Speaker 5: just the people resisting change. But I think once the
Speaker 5: golf course was done, once the redesign was was completed,
Speaker 5: that everybody was just completely blown away, you know, including
Speaker 5: a lot of Golf Digest, Golf Week, Golf magatting raiders
Speaker 5: were just coming and going, oh my god, this is fantastic.
Speaker 5: So Tom Dook is probably I mean in his staff,
Speaker 5: I mean, Jim Orbina obviously did a lot of the shaping,
Speaker 5: a lot of the work himself. Are just complete gurs
Speaker 5: when it comes to redesigning mckensey golf courses.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, So now here I'm going to
Speaker 1: put you to task. You said that you have description
Speaker 1: on the website, and I'm going to study it a
Speaker 1: lot before I go down there. But I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you about a couple of specific holes. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to tell you which one. I'm going to
Speaker 1: let you choose, but let's pick your favorite. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you should say favorite or most challenging. Par three?
Speaker 1: Which one and tell us how to play it?
Speaker 5: Number three without a doubt, And I'll give you just
Speaker 5: a quick snippet of another hole that it's probably the
Speaker 5: shortest of them, that gives them the most, gives me
Speaker 5: the most trouble. Number three from the back tees is
Speaker 5: a two hundred and forty five yard up till par
Speaker 5: three surrounded by bunkers. So for the most part, for
Speaker 5: the guy who's playing the back t's it's a driver.
Speaker 5: I mean it's a driver, and it's again through the
Speaker 5: redesign the golf course out of the entire left side
Speaker 5: of it. For most people who maybe think they can't
Speaker 5: get there, they'll basically hit a shot that's just kind
Speaker 5: of up in the neck of the green and then
Speaker 5: be able to try to bump the ball up onto
Speaker 5: the green to try to get it up and down
Speaker 5: for par and that's the worst they make a four.
Speaker 5: I mean, you can go for it, but again the
Speaker 5: risk reward side of it is that if you get
Speaker 5: on the right side and the bunkers, I mean, your
Speaker 5: head is probably about three feet below the bunker lip
Speaker 5: as you're trying to hit your second shot up to
Speaker 5: the green. So again you can go for it, but
Speaker 5: I would suggest if you can't get there, lay it
Speaker 5: up there in the neck, try to bump a ball.
Speaker 5: It's tied enough grass where you can roll the ball
Speaker 5: up onto the green and even putt if the pins
Speaker 5: in the front, So that'll kind of keep you away
Speaker 5: from making a big number.
Speaker 1: Okay, what are you going to say something about a
Speaker 1: different part three too?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, number three, number fifteen on the back nine.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I played yesterday and after I
Speaker 5: hit my shot, I think I told my force and
Speaker 5: I said, I don't think I hit this green the
Speaker 5: last ten times I've played it. It's one hundred. It's
Speaker 5: one hundred, and I think it was playing one hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty yards yesterday, I hit a fifty degree gap
Speaker 5: wedge and hitting the right bunker. I think the three
Speaker 5: times before that, I hit it over the green. But
Speaker 5: again it's just one of those holes where you're looking
Speaker 5: at it. It's short, but again surrounded by bunkers. There's
Speaker 5: a creek that runs in front of the green, and
Speaker 5: I think visually it's just very intimidating. Even though it's
Speaker 5: a even though it's a short hole, you're still looking
Speaker 5: at it going and plus me not feeling very confident
Speaker 5: on it, it still can bite you. And that's the
Speaker 5: thing what you'll see with mckinna golf courses that at
Speaker 5: any hole, at any time regardless of the yardage, can
Speaker 5: come up and bite you good.
Speaker 1: And bite you hard.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not trying to I'm not trying to steer
Speaker 5: people away from the golf.
Speaker 1: Course, but well, you're scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 1: I'm reconsidering.
Speaker 5: I just want to just be very realistic when it
Speaker 5: comes to this design and it is so unique and
Speaker 5: you walk away from every single hole going wow, and
Speaker 5: you remember instead of saying, did we just play this
Speaker 5: hole or we just played hole just like this, Every
Speaker 5: hole has its own character, every hole has its own uniqueness.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. What about the terrain you said you were
Speaker 1: in the Santa Cruz Mountains and Pebble Beach and the
Speaker 1: rest are well, Pebble Beach is right there on the ocean.
Speaker 1: Is there a similarity between the types of terrain or
Speaker 1: is pas tempo so unique that it's more like playing
Speaker 1: up at the Olympic Club or Harding Park in San
Speaker 1: Francisco with that kind of trees and things.
Speaker 5: I'd probably say it's probably a combination of both. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're not as close obviously to the ocean as Pebble Beaches,
Speaker 5: but we have many vistas in the golf course where
Speaker 5: you can get a glimpse of the ocean, where a
Speaker 5: tree lined golf course majority or pine cypress trees and oaks,
Speaker 5: But it's the golf course from the back. There's only
Speaker 5: sixty five hundred yards, so it's not along golf course,
Speaker 5: but it plays as if it could be, you know,
Speaker 5: seven thousand yards. But again it's a it's a somewhat
Speaker 5: hilly terrain McKenzie. Obviously, being an older style golf course,
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of space between teas and greens.
Speaker 5: So for those who want to walk, it's very walkable.
Speaker 5: I'd say probably you know, sixty sixty five percent of
Speaker 5: our members walk the golf course, have motorized trolleys, they
Speaker 5: have push carts, they carry their bags. And again, you
Speaker 5: walk off the first green and you're you're walking probably
Speaker 5: forty to fifty steps to the to the second t
Speaker 5: So again it's a it's a very walkable golf course.
Speaker 5: But again it's a test. I mean, you're going to
Speaker 5: get some some pretty decent hills on the back nine,
Speaker 5: But if you're used to walking, I'd walk it for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I definitely will. I play up in Marin
Speaker 1: County where there are very few level courses out here,
Speaker 1: and so and I prefer walking. I love what you know,
Speaker 1: especially in a course that I've never played. I found
Speaker 1: that I find that when I'm in a golf cart,
Speaker 1: all I see is my ball, and I hit the ball,
Speaker 1: drive to the ball, hit the drop ball, drive the ball,
Speaker 1: and I really don't even remember the golf course. But
Speaker 1: when I walk it, I walk it. I can see
Speaker 1: not only the terrain, but the wildlife and the vistas,
Speaker 1: and I can absorb so much more of it and
Speaker 1: get into a better rhythm of playing.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: So I can bring my own push card. I have
Speaker 1: to use yours.
Speaker 5: You can use yes, either one we have him for rent,
Speaker 5: or you can bring your own.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to put you on to a par
Speaker 1: five again, either your favorite or the most challenging. And
Speaker 1: why and how should we play it? There's three questions
Speaker 1: and ones.
Speaker 5: I'd probably say number thirteen. Number thirteen is a par
Speaker 5: five dog leg left the again. With the restoration project,
Speaker 5: the thirteenth tea was extended and the bunkering around the greens,
Speaker 5: especially a bunker that plays about sixty seventy yards in
Speaker 5: front of the green, was restored again. It's a good
Speaker 5: hole green. The fairway slopes from from right to left,
Speaker 5: so drive up the right side of the farewell kind
Speaker 5: of trickle and kind of move back to the left
Speaker 5: of the fairway. All of the trouble really on the
Speaker 5: left side is where you want to avoid. There's out
Speaker 5: of bounds on the right, but it's quite a ways away,
Speaker 5: so you can really kind of get up that right
Speaker 5: side and let it just kind of come back to
Speaker 5: the fairway. The second shot, you just got to take
Speaker 5: into consideration in that bunker that's about seventy yards ahead
Speaker 5: and just lay it up there short, which would give
Speaker 5: you a nice and nice little short wedge onto the green.
Speaker 5: The big hitters can get there in two you know,
Speaker 5: probably with a long iron or a hybrid or a
Speaker 5: fairway wood. There's a couple whole locations on that green
Speaker 5: that are just nasty. There's a back right location which
Speaker 5: is probably one of the hardest locations on the entire
Speaker 5: golf course that it's hard to get to because the
Speaker 5: green you move from right to left, but the pin
Speaker 5: is tucked over to the right. So typically if you're
Speaker 5: playing in the skins game and you make a birdie there,
Speaker 5: you're usually gonna win a skin. But it's a fantastic hole.
Speaker 5: The greenish shaped kind of like Mickey Mouse would call it,
Speaker 5: you know, ear one or ear two.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: The head the head basically is the center of the
Speaker 5: green and there's two big ears that go on either side,
Speaker 5: and it's a it's a fantastic hole.
Speaker 1: And do you move the flag to all the ears
Speaker 1: and AND's face?
Speaker 3: I mean you all over the place without a doubt.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So you know the name of this program
Speaker 1: is Golf Smarter, and it's it's not just the name,
Speaker 1: it's the way I choose to play golf. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not really high on the risk reward element because
Speaker 1: I find that the that the risk when you're you know,
Speaker 1: the quality of player that I am, and I think
Speaker 1: that most golfers are risk is really not worth it
Speaker 1: that much. I Mean it seems like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go for it, but then I'm gonna be double
Speaker 1: bogging as supposed to, you know, as opposed to setting
Speaker 1: myself up for a shot that I'm more confident with
Speaker 1: and then walk away with a bogie at worst. Right,
Speaker 1: So is that par five something that again, strategically speaking,
Speaker 1: you should inch your way up to it as opposed
Speaker 1: to going for it.
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's probably I mean, it really
Speaker 5: depends on your game. If you feel like you're a
Speaker 5: fairly decent, fairly decent bunker player, I'd say go for it,
Speaker 5: because again, the bunkers are very much around the edges
Speaker 5: of the greens. And if you go for it and too,
Speaker 5: I think it's a fairly easy out and it's not
Speaker 5: going to be one of those bunkers like he describe
Speaker 5: a number three. You can get the ball into the green.
Speaker 5: A lot of stuff funnels to the middle, especially the
Speaker 5: flags in the center, but I wouldn't necessarily creep up
Speaker 5: on that. I think, you know, the par fives are
Speaker 5: some of the holes where you can really kind of
Speaker 5: make up a few shots. Typically that's where people kind
Speaker 5: of look to say, if they make a bogie and
Speaker 5: a par five, they feel like they kind of lost
Speaker 5: one maybe to the field. But I think the par
Speaker 5: fives are more so the holes you take advantage of
Speaker 5: versus kind of inching up on it.
Speaker 1: And what about the bunker conditions, what kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: the photographs look like it's pure white sand.
Speaker 5: Yes, the beautiful sands. It's very playable some people. It's
Speaker 5: it's dense, so that's a little bit more of the
Speaker 5: heaviness to it. So a digger in a bunker versus
Speaker 5: somebody who can just kind of splash it out and
Speaker 5: slide that face underneath is more so the shot versus
Speaker 5: than trying to just kind of dig it out with
Speaker 5: a shallower sand like some people have on some courses.
Speaker 1: And are most of the bunkers just around the greens
Speaker 1: or do you have a lot of fairway bunkers as well?
Speaker 1: They create some problems in your head.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a few. There's a few. On a I'd
Speaker 5: say probably half the holes have bunkers. Some bunkers are
Speaker 5: in the fairies strictly as aiming points or to kind
Speaker 5: of help shape the hole, which was a McKinsey characteristic
Speaker 5: as well. So there's some balls that definitely come into
Speaker 5: play or some bunkers have come into play, But as
Speaker 5: far as the actual difficulty of the ones in the fairway,
Speaker 5: not really.
Speaker 1: Kay, I'm really getting nervous. Yeah, I've definitely played courses
Speaker 1: where I walked away going okay, I want to play
Speaker 1: that again right now, you know, And this sounds like
Speaker 1: exactly what it's going to be not that it's going
Speaker 1: to be easy to do that, all right. So let's
Speaker 1: take a couple, now, a couple of part fours that
Speaker 1: you like and admire and are challenged by. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: pick let's pick something on the front nine.
Speaker 3: First front nine.
Speaker 5: Part four probably would be number two. Actually know what,
Speaker 5: I take that back. I'm going to go with number one.
Speaker 1: Oh great, number.
Speaker 5: One, Number one, two and three out of the gate
Speaker 5: are handicapped, four, eight and two. WHOA, So right out
Speaker 5: of the gate, if you can, if you can maneuver
Speaker 5: your way through the first three holes, you're you're okay,
Speaker 5: you know, hitting a number four. But it doesn't start
Speaker 5: off easy. It starts off with a good challenge. Number
Speaker 5: one is a it's a four hundred and six the
Speaker 5: yard par four right out of the gate, got the
Speaker 5: Monterey Bay in the background. It's a fairly straight hole.
Speaker 5: No fairway bunkers, but there is a little there's there's
Speaker 5: a little fairway bunker. That's something near the green again
Speaker 5: about seventy yards that will catch those second shots for
Speaker 5: those people that are, you know, maybe trying to go
Speaker 5: for it and maybe just don't get all of it
Speaker 5: and catch that bunker right there in the middle. Again
Speaker 5: a very long green, probably about thirty eight paces long
Speaker 5: from front to back, and with a couple of fairly
Speaker 5: large bunkers that guard the right side of the right
Speaker 5: side of the green. But again another great hole out
Speaker 5: of the gate and actually back in the original design
Speaker 5: was a par five with a t being back a
Speaker 5: little bit farther up on the hillside, which is one
Speaker 5: of the things that I know our board and some
Speaker 5: of our board members and our even our general manager
Speaker 5: are looking forward to possibly restoring one day. It's not
Speaker 5: something that's in the plans, but just something that if
Speaker 5: we can restore another piece of Apasta tampo, we'd like
Speaker 5: to do it.
Speaker 1: And go ahead. Tell me about number two, a dragon
Speaker 1: tarbardy hole this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Number two, I'd say probably is a fair way.
Speaker 5: It's probably my favorite driving hole. I hit the ball
Speaker 5: right to left and it's a ferry to slopes from
Speaker 5: right to left, so I can kind of get it
Speaker 5: up that right side and let it come down. It's
Speaker 5: a little bit of a downhill. Part four. Again you
Speaker 5: can see a nice little view from the tee towards
Speaker 5: the Monterey Bay and the saddle of the trees. And again,
Speaker 5: very one of our few greens that slope from front
Speaker 5: to back. Most of the greens being push up greens,
Speaker 5: they're sloping from from back to front. Again, probably you're
Speaker 5: going to give leave you about a mid iron into
Speaker 5: this green. Probably you'd say, you know, for a drive
Speaker 5: that you hit two hundred and forty two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty yards, you'll probably have one hundred and sixty sixty
Speaker 5: five left on your second shot. Everything plays from right
Speaker 5: to left. There's a bunker that kind of guards the
Speaker 5: left side of the green, but if you can get
Speaker 5: it up on the right hand side, everything funnels down
Speaker 5: onto the green and it releases down towards the hole.
Speaker 1: And what about the speed of the greens and also
Speaker 1: the undulation overall?
Speaker 5: In general, our role is basically running at ten to
Speaker 5: five with the undulations. I mean, obviously a downhelp I
Speaker 5: can get as going as quick as fifteen just simply
Speaker 5: based on severity from back to front. But if you're
Speaker 5: just basically if we're doing looking at a stip meter reading,
Speaker 5: our goal is to get him at ten to five daily.
Speaker 1: Erry. That's very competitive, yeah, to say the least. All right,
Speaker 1: let's pick a couple hole, a couple par fours in
Speaker 1: the back nine that's easy.
Speaker 5: Eleven and sixteen. Eleven and sixteen are or sixteen is
Speaker 5: probably McKenzie's most famous hole. It was his number one
Speaker 5: favorite hole of all the golf golf holes he designed
Speaker 5: in the United States. It's our number three handicap hole.
Speaker 5: Sixteen is four tiers on the green, slipping from back
Speaker 5: to front. There's probably again another green that's probably forty
Speaker 5: paces long and probably has roughly seven to eight whole locations,
Speaker 5: one being middle left, which is just a diabolical position
Speaker 5: because if you go for it and you go into
Speaker 5: the road. I was there yesterday and just happened to
Speaker 5: make a birdy myself, so that got me a skin wow.
Speaker 5: And then again the hole is when you look at
Speaker 5: it and you come over the hill from off the
Speaker 5: tee and you stand at the top and you look
Speaker 5: at that green, it's just amazing. It's just crazy. I
Speaker 5: mean you're standing at the bottom of the green or
Speaker 5: from the top of the green. It's probably it's got
Speaker 5: to be twenty feet from height from front to back.
Speaker 1: Is there anything about number sixteen that ended up in Atlanta?
Speaker 5: Sorry, in Augusta, I think probably just simply the false fronts.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there again one of those things
Speaker 5: that if your ball doesn't get all the way up
Speaker 5: or up to the top of the tier and it
Speaker 5: starts trickling back at all, roll all the way off
Speaker 5: the front of the green, and just some of the
Speaker 5: severity of the er the bunker in there. But yeah,
Speaker 5: when you want, if you look at Augusta and you
Speaker 5: one and you come play pasta Tampa, you can see
Speaker 5: the similarities pretty much right away.
Speaker 1: That's so cool that that you can't do that on
Speaker 1: on either either side of the country. You are alluding
Speaker 1: to number eleven as well.
Speaker 5: Number eleven is the number one handicap pole. It's an
Speaker 5: uphill part four. It's not super long, but it is demanding.
Speaker 5: On the second shot, the drive is relatively benign. Got
Speaker 5: a pretty straightaway fairway. There's a little hazard on the
Speaker 5: left hand side that if you hook it and get
Speaker 5: it going left, you can you can roll into the hazard.
Speaker 5: But once you're once you're in the fairway. The second
Speaker 5: shot is the key. The green kind of slopes a
Speaker 5: little bit, kind of kitty corner to the side and
Speaker 5: kind of away from you, so you're actually trying to
Speaker 5: carry the fairway bunker or excuse me, you're trying to
Speaker 5: carry the hazard and the green side bunkers onto the
Speaker 5: green and then the green itself is is again one
Speaker 5: of those Mackenzie greens where if you get it, don't
Speaker 5: get it all the way up that rolls off the front,
Speaker 5: or a nice bridge that goes across the canyon once
Speaker 5: you hit your second shot to drive up to the
Speaker 5: green and again a great vista standing on that eleventh
Speaker 5: green and then to the next t, the twelfth t
Speaker 5: that kind of looks back towards the Lottery Bay and
Speaker 5: even up towards half of them bay.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the t tour on those. When you talk
Speaker 1: about getting giving lessons to the members, do you also
Speaker 1: get visitors who come in saying, I need a lesson
Speaker 1: before I start playing to understand how to play this course.
Speaker 1: Do you get a lot at the end of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we get some quite a bit of
Speaker 5: a request for plane lessons. It's not something that we
Speaker 5: typically do on the golf course, but I've had people
Speaker 5: come in and just want to sit for a half
Speaker 5: hour or forty five minutes and take that much time
Speaker 5: and try to pay me to give them the description
Speaker 5: of how to play the golf course, where for me
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's something that I just do. As
Speaker 5: far as you know, people coming out to play the
Speaker 5: golf course and enjoy themselves are given as a bunch
Speaker 5: of information I can at no charge. But there's you know,
Speaker 5: there are people that want to be able to kind
Speaker 5: of know before they go out there because this might
Speaker 5: be the only time we're able to play it. So
Speaker 5: instead of you know, experiencing those oh I should have
Speaker 5: done it this way this time, they understand that, you know,
Speaker 5: we're not to miss the miss the ball. And I'm
Speaker 5: more than happy to share that information with them.
Speaker 1: And that's why you put a lot of that information
Speaker 1: on the website. You can just tell them just yeah,
Speaker 1: read the website. I already gave that information out.
Speaker 5: Yes, And we do also have you know, golf lessons
Speaker 5: here and like I said, I I give public lessons
Speaker 5: and member lessons and my staff is also here. I
Speaker 5: have three golf professionals other than myself that they give
Speaker 5: golf lessons as well. So we're we're definitely open to
Speaker 5: open to the public for lessons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good size staff for for of course
Speaker 1: that that's a good size teaching staff generally.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yes, Let's talk about.
Speaker 1: The rating and slope of the different t boxes so
Speaker 1: I can get a sense of because I'm not I'll
Speaker 1: tell you now, I'm not playing from the back teas.
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what what kind of rating slope and where
Speaker 1: should you know? We'll get to that next question, but
Speaker 1: let's talk about the rating and.
Speaker 5: Slope back teaser. It's rated over seventy two, so it's
Speaker 5: seventy two point four and one forty three slope. So
Speaker 5: again one description. Yeah, the description I've had with everybody
Speaker 5: on the on the air to day is pretty accurate.
Speaker 5: And the slope reflect it as well as the course rating.
Speaker 5: And I think most people that I would tell that
Speaker 5: come out here and they look at that sixty five
Speaker 5: twenty one yardage. Like I said earlier, they all want
Speaker 5: to play the back teas and by the time they
Speaker 5: get to the back of the fourth hole, they say, hey, guys,
Speaker 5: just play the whites, so.
Speaker 1: They don't look at the one forty three. That makes
Speaker 1: me nuts. Why people look at the yardage and not
Speaker 1: the rating.
Speaker 5: Or slope correct if it's under seven thousand yards, is
Speaker 5: kind of the barometer and what I've scene. If it's
Speaker 5: under seven thousand yards, they're going to play the back
Speaker 5: tees and sometimes it's just a mistake and they probably
Speaker 5: would have had a better time playing the middle teest.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, so that's the how many sets of tees
Speaker 1: do you have?
Speaker 5: Three?
Speaker 1: Okay? So then your middle teas are what the uh,
Speaker 1: the blue.
Speaker 5: The middle ties are the white teas. So the championship
Speaker 5: for the gold and the middle tees are the white.
Speaker 5: At seventy point eight.
Speaker 1: One is still not a walk in the park.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, it's it's still a test, trust me.
Speaker 5: It's it's a test from the green teas. I mean
Speaker 5: the green teas, which are our forward tees, are sixty
Speaker 5: eight point nine one thirty for the men. So it's
Speaker 5: it's still it's still a good test.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to see if I can convince you know,
Speaker 1: I've been invited to come down with a friend in
Speaker 1: some of his colleagues, and I'm going to see if
Speaker 1: these guys will swallow and say, come on, let's play
Speaker 1: the green and see how they go about. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm not playing the ladies teas. It's like, oh, really you.
Speaker 5: Know, well, you know what a good A good alternative
Speaker 5: is to play the combo teas, which is a we
Speaker 5: have both a white gold tea combo and we also
Speaker 5: have a white green tea combo. Okay, So and those
Speaker 5: and those courses are a little bit more subtle than
Speaker 5: what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah. I mean it's when guys give me this
Speaker 1: this argument of like, I'm not going to play the
Speaker 1: fronties you kidding? It's like, oh, excuse me, could you
Speaker 1: shoot par if you play in the fronties exactly? And
Speaker 1: they're like no, let's say then, why are you being
Speaker 1: such a jerk about it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Oh man, So uh there you mentioned you know that
Speaker 1: when the course was open nineteen twenty nine, the country
Speaker 1: was going through bad times and it made it difficult
Speaker 1: for the course. At that point here in California, we're
Speaker 1: having a difficult time right now with water. Yes, And
Speaker 1: how is that impacting a destination course, a member course
Speaker 1: in the mountains near the ocean. What kind of impact
Speaker 1: is that having and what are you doing about it?
Speaker 5: Well, it's impacting us pretty severely. I mean at this
Speaker 5: at this point where we've been we've been cut fifty
Speaker 5: percent by the City of Santa Cruz. We are we're
Speaker 5: obviously are greens tees, approaches, surrounds are receiving one hundred
Speaker 5: percent of their water needs. Are fairies and roughs are
Speaker 5: receiving pretty much about the other forty percent. So the
Speaker 5: golf courses is playing firm and fast. We're obviously doing
Speaker 5: our part where we're using every every drop that's allotted
Speaker 5: to us. We're not saving anything for financial purposes. We're
Speaker 5: putting all the water that we can on the golf
Speaker 5: course just to maintain playability. And and like I said,
Speaker 5: it's it's firm and fast. They played yesterday. I played
Speaker 5: the ball down and it was fine. I mean there's
Speaker 5: there's some firm wise, I mean it's not wash and wet,
Speaker 5: but it's I think for me personally, it's a lot
Speaker 5: closer to the way that it should be playing anyway.
Speaker 5: I always I think people get a little bit too
Speaker 5: concerned about perfect playing conditions. And you look at the
Speaker 5: British Open, you look at golf courses in Britain, or
Speaker 5: in Ireland, or in Scotland or New Zealand. When I
Speaker 5: went back and played there that you know, the fairwayes
Speaker 5: are green when the rains that they turn green. When
Speaker 5: they don't, when it doesn't rain, they turn brown. But
Speaker 5: the green complexes and the teas are always good. And
Speaker 5: that's kind of where we are right now. The golf
Speaker 5: course again is true McKinsey design, and we're just trying
Speaker 5: to make do and getting through this period.
Speaker 1: What is the conversation in the industry in northern California.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Southern California they're throwing their nose
Speaker 1: up at it, I don't know. But what is the
Speaker 1: water conversation as opposed to conservation, the conversation going on
Speaker 1: among golf courses about what to do and how to
Speaker 1: deal with this crisis?
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, most most people now are
Speaker 5: looking at water alternatives. I mean, we're right now in
Speaker 5: the talks for the City of Scotts Valley to to
Speaker 5: get tertiary treated to water to the golf course if
Speaker 5: you want to call it second water gray water, and
Speaker 5: have a treatment plant here on property or the pump
Speaker 5: station to get into our irrigation system. And then we're
Speaker 5: researching wells. You know, there's so many issues with wells
Speaker 5: right now, and and just for people that have farm
Speaker 5: landing crops and you know, they're pretty tied up, so
Speaker 5: us trying to track down a well digger to get
Speaker 5: over here to do it. And we're pretty low in
Speaker 5: the tunnel pol when it comes to when it comes
Speaker 5: to golf courses when people are trying to save their
Speaker 5: crops and their livelihood. So those are probably the two
Speaker 5: biggest thing is instead of getting you know, fresh water,
Speaker 5: it's going to be secondary treated water and well water.
Speaker 5: And that's really where we are right now. And we're
Speaker 5: you know, we're hoping to have a solution within the
Speaker 5: next couple of months, and we should be, we should
Speaker 5: be in full force with our new solution by next spring. Today,
Speaker 5: I know that they're dying to know when we're gonna
Speaker 5: when we're going to have this done, and when it's
Speaker 5: going to be done, and we're going to know within
Speaker 5: the next couple of months.
Speaker 1: When you say they want to know when we're going
Speaker 1: to be done, who's the.
Speaker 5: They, I'd say the members, Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And what about the management company?
Speaker 5: Uh? Well, the members are the man of the company.
Speaker 5: The members own the corporation that's an equity membership, that's
Speaker 5: a far stock and they own the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so yeah, it's their call. Well, luckily they're local.
Speaker 1: It's not as if it's an ownership company that's based
Speaker 1: in in Georgia or Texas, who you know, or Florida
Speaker 1: that just doesn't necessarily get what's going on water wise here.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's really I mean you
Speaker 5: start looking at localized problems. It's really something that is
Speaker 5: not affecting the entire entire nation. On the water shortage obviously.
Speaker 5: I mean we were in like I said, we were
Speaker 5: in Courtley in Idaho and played golf and there's no
Speaker 5: lack of water and I and I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5: I mean the guys got their hand watering. I mean
Speaker 5: the golf courses was squishy, and it was probably ninety
Speaker 5: five degrees and it was so wet. The humidity was
Speaker 5: just stifling. So there's certain areas that are water flesh,
Speaker 5: no pun intended. I got it.
Speaker 1: I got the joke. Yeah. Well, it's going to be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how this plays out in northern California
Speaker 1: for the golf courses because I know that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of very nervous managers course managers, right, no doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of frustrated golfers too, who are winding
Speaker 1: and they're whining about the conditions. That's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this course. Look at how brown it is, Like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding your commenting on it being brown?
Speaker 5: Yes, come, yes, Well, we also are very sensitive to
Speaker 5: the fact of what's going on and the amount of
Speaker 5: money that people are playing to pay golf, play golf.
Speaker 5: So we've you know, we've instituted a program where we're
Speaker 5: giving out the beginning August first, we're giving out fifty
Speaker 5: dollars vouchers to people to use for a future round.
Speaker 5: So they come on and play between August first and
Speaker 5: September thirtieth, they give them a fifty dollars voucher. They
Speaker 5: can use that for a future around. Let's get through
Speaker 5: December of twenty fifteen. So we want to do it's
Speaker 5: a good will gesture in our part to say we
Speaker 5: appreciate you coming out. Here's fifty bucks off, come back
Speaker 5: and see us again.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm glad I'm coming after August first, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to answer this because I know
Speaker 1: these things fluctuate. But what is a green fee?
Speaker 5: Green fees are two hundred and thirty dollars walking and
Speaker 5: to sixty two to ride. Once in a while, we'll
Speaker 5: look at the t sheet, probably sometimes forty eight hours
Speaker 5: seventy two hours in advance, and see if we have
Speaker 5: a block between say one and three o'clock that's open.
Speaker 5: We'll throw up a special on our website for one
Speaker 5: sixty five and you can go right to our website,
Speaker 5: which is Pasta Tampo dot com. Right in the middle
Speaker 5: of the page, there's a book Ta Times page and
Speaker 5: you can bring it up and check out specials and
Speaker 5: our rates twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: I love the name Pasa tiempo. It is so Spanish
Speaker 1: and it is so perfect for golf.
Speaker 3: Right, yes it is pastime, Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 5: And our logo, which is I'm not sure if you've
Speaker 5: seen it. It's probably one of the most recognizable logos
Speaker 5: and obviously was voted one of the top fifty by
Speaker 5: Golf Guy just several years ago. It's it's really cool.
Speaker 5: So you got to get yourself a shirt.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be definitely checking this ail rack when I
Speaker 1: get there, because after paying two thirty to walker, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna my wife's like, oh, and you bought a
Speaker 1: shirt too. Really, really you bought oh yeah shirt, here's
Speaker 1: the shorts and look at my jacket. She's right, you're
Speaker 1: out of here, all right. Well, ken Woods head professional
Speaker 1: at PASA Tempo. I really appreciate your time and your
Speaker 1: tea tour and the tips and the insights and the
Speaker 1: history lesson that was phenomenal. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you fair. I appreciate you having me and
Speaker 5: we'll look forward to seeing you next week.