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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty eight. But first,

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I want to share this phone call with you that

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I made this morning. Okay, I'm going to call it

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Tim Kilkenny, longtime Golf Smarter listener. Hi, it is Tim, Hey,

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Tim Fred Green.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Cred. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Thanks. I'm playing golf better than that forever.

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And I was emailing you because I was so excited.

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I made my first hole in one.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: On Friday, August first, I was playing at my home

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course and I aced number fourteen. It was sweet.

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Speaker 1: How long have you been playing at that club?

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Speaker 2: About six years? And a couple of my friends have

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had hole in ones. I've seen a couple, but I've

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never had one.

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Speaker 1: And why do you think this was the time for

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you to get a hole in one?

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Speaker 2: It's probably just coincidental. But I really liked your interview.

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I think I listened to it on Wednesday. But your

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most recent episode.

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Speaker 1: Darren g from Hawaii, Yeah right, be Frustrated Golfer's Handbook.

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Speaker 2: He was talking about how you can make a hole

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in one and his philosophy of picking a part of

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the green where the flag was dividing it up and saying,

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you know, this is the area that I'm going for.

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And I made a very confident swing right where I

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wanted to hit it, and for the first time ever,

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it went in the hole.

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Speaker 1: As soon as you struck the ball, you felt.

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Speaker 2: What it was pure. I mean, it was one of

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the best purest shots I've ever hit. It was a

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one hundred and sixty four yard back right pin over water.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I had a kick iron right.

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Speaker 2: At the pin. It went right at it the whole way.

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Speaker 1: And so did it bounce, bounce, drop or did it

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roll for a while? Did it back up? What did

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the ball do when it landed?

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Speaker 2: It bounced once in front and pass the pin and

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spun right back into the pin.

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Speaker 1: And did everyone go nuts?

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Speaker 2: There was jumping and dancing.

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Speaker 1: And what happened after the round?

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I got to go in and tell everybody

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about the hole in one. And there were several hundred

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people at the club.

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Speaker 1: And how many of those people did you tell about

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golf smarter and that that's why you got your hole

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in one?

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Speaker 2: Now, see, that's what I could have done better. Right out,

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I got all.

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Speaker 1: So you you're not sure. You you're too scientific about this,

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You don't you think it's just coincidence, And I'm saying no, no,

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it's actually because Darren told you you can get a

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hole in one if you have the right mindset. Just

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think about getting this hole in one. Just I can

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do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, we all know. Confidence there is

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a huge part of it, you know. And having the

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confidence to make a part, Having the confidence to hit

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a shot that you need to hit to a scary pin.

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You know, that's always a tough part. But you're right,

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you can't make it, and you can't. You can't make

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a whole online like that, having that confidence to go

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for it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am so excited for you. Thanks so much

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for sharing this and congratulations again.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Chret.

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Speaker 5: App Pasa champles of a standalone golf course. When you

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start looking at the likes of Pinehurst and Whistling Streets

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and Bandon Dunes and Double Beach who has Spyglass and

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eldl Monti in Spanish Bay. I mean that's a destination

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where you're going there to play golf and oh, by

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the way, we're going to go play Spanish bass. For here,

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you need to be coming here on your way to Pebble,

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on your way back from Pebble, or you're coming here

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strictly to play golf, versus just running into the golf

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course at another round you're going to play that week.

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People associate Posit Tampa with being private, which I think

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is something that I've fought the last ten years of

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people and you know, golf professionals will call me and say, hey, Ken,

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this is so and so from XYZ Country Club. My

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members would love to come play your golf course. Is

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there any possible way you can play? And then of

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course I say yeah, And we're a semi private, we're

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semi public, and we're open to come on out and

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play and we can work something out for you and

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get you on the golf course. So I think that's

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still a mis number and who kind of fought that

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reputation for the last several years. Then we're trying to

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change that.

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Speaker 1: The history and a t tour of legendary posit Tippo

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golf Course.

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Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 3: Ken, Hello, Fred, How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. How is the weather in beautiful

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Santa Cruz today, Well, we had just.

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Speaker 5: Came out a little bit of a hot spell and

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we're about seventy two today and get a nice clear

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view across the bay towards Pebble Beach and Cypress Point

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and it's pretty during good today.

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Speaker 1: So you are in your northern California. We're trying to

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set this up for people who aren't familiar with the

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area who live all over the world. And it is

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in the hills of Santa Cruz, which is north of Monterey.

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Lots of people have heard of Monterey. Correct, and you're

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looking down on the Monterey Bay. You have a view

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of the Monterey Bay from where you.

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Speaker 5: Are, that is correct. Yeah, Santa Cruz is on the

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other side of the Monterey Bay, which is basically shaped

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like a horseshoe. We are just outside of Santa Cruz

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in the Santa Cruz Mountains right at the base of

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the mountains. Our view looks basically across from our pro

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shop and the first tee looks across and you can

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see you can't see the golf courses obviously, but you

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can see the tip of Cypress Point and Pebble Beach area.

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But it's yeah, right on the other side and just

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outside of San Cruz. It's a beautiful spot.

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing spot. I'm very excited. I'm coming out

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there next week. I get to play for the first time,

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so I'm really excited to come. I'm nervous about it,

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to be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's one of those golf courses that if you

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haven't played it, I mean, this is one where when

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you walk off the golf course and you think to yourself,

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you know, what if I had have played this, you know,

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one or two times prior, I probably would have done

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things a little bit differently, just strictly based on where

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you miss it and where you don't want to miss it.

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Holds you want to tack holes, you don't want to

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tack it in the center of the green, that type

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of thing, because if you short side yourself when he's

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Mackenzie Green's boy. It doesn't matter how great a chip

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you had, you're gonna you're gonna end up. You know,

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quite a way to below the hole.

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Speaker 1: So this is why I called you get to get

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some local knowledge before I come down, so I don't embarrass.

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Speaker 5: Myself, I understand.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into the playability of possible tempo,

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let's talk about its incredible history and any insights beyond

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what we can read on the website, and any stories

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that you know of I would love to hear.

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Speaker 5: Well. Probably my favorite story and the one I've probably

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told the most. I did a piece for the Golf Channel.

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God probably five six years ago never heard of. One

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of my favorite stories is really how positive Tampa came

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to be. It was back in nineteen twenty nine when

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the course was built and Bobby Jones had gone down

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to Pebble Beast to play in the United States Amateur

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Championship and strangely enough lost in the first round, and

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Marion Hollins, who obviously was the owner of the golf

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course and the property, and who had hired Alistrom McKenzie

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to build the golf course, she invited Bobby Jones to

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join the foursome to play on opening day, which was

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September nineteen twenty nine. So legend has it, and story

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has it and documented is that after playing the golf course,

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he loved it so much that he had owned this

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little piece of property back in Augusta, Georgia we now

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call Augusta National, and that's when he hired doctor Arlister

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Mackenzie to design Augusta National.

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Speaker 1: So that so then Passa Tempo is the parent of

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Augusta National, of the where the Masters is playing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the combination of his time a Cyprus Point and

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then his time at Pasa Tiempo kind of just threw

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him over the edge and says, you know, there's not

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another designer I want for this golf course. And he

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went ahead and hired Mackenzie too to make that happen.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. So how is it that that Marion Hollins got

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to own the piece of property that is now Passa Tempo.

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Speaker 5: I think really, I mean it was just basically it

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and she was obviously extremely wealthy for those times, and

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this was a place that she had purchased. It was

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there was you know, at the time when the golf

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course opened, I mean there were the likes of Clark

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area and to basically not only play golf, but to

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just relax. I mean there was beach homes and stables

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and equestrian centers which was are just north of us

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in Scott's Valley, and she had quite a handle on

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the property and really just trying to create a type

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of a lifestyle for people, but really just kind of

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saw the property as as an opportunity and made the purchase.

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but I know that she did acquire it back and

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some tough times and then obviously got tougher with the

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depression right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which so wait, the course opened up nineteen twenty nine,

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and wasn't the crash just around.

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Speaker 5: Then, Yes, exactly? Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow. And I understand that Marion Hollins was quite an

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accomplished golfer, let alone equestrian and many other things.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes she was. She was an amateur champ herself.

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I mean, she competed at the highest level in amateur competition,

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and you know, I think at the time where we

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had opening Day, I mean Cyril Talley, which was another

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British amateur that was a great player in Glenna Collette

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also who was a was a champion her own. Right,

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we're playing and competing during kind of the same the

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same time frame.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. So what exactly is it that you do there?

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Explain to us what your your position is at Pasa Tiempo.

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How long you been there?

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Speaker 5: My position is the head golf professional. I basically manage

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and run the golf operations, which obviously the merchandise, the

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outside staff, the inside staff, all of the locker room facilities.

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Obviously do quite a bit of teaching to the membership,

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mostly my assistants teach a lot to the general public,

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and I take care of mostly member lessons. But it's

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your prototypical golf professional job duties. I get to play

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a little bit. When I played yesterday and putting the

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skins game and not by th I wasn't trying to

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do it, but I ended up weighing six skins out

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of ten off the members, which sometimes is good and

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sometimes if you do too often, you might take a

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little bit of heat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you might lose your invitations.

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Speaker 5: But I enjoy the playing aspect of it. I don't

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get to play as much as I as I like to.

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Most of my golf these days is club golf. I'll play,

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you know. I just took a trip with twenty members

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to court Alaine, Idaho, and spent a week there and played.

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in Oregon. Had a great time up there, obviously, all

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great facilities and wonderful people up there, and the members

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like to bounce around and I like doing that.

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Speaker 1: For him, that sounds like a lot of fun. Of

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and we're talking about hundreds at this point, nobody gets

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to play as much golf as they'd like to anymore.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 1: They think they get into you know, oh, I'm going

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to become a you know, they grow up being great

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players and they think they're going to be a golf

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professional so they can play a lot of golf, and

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you find out that that's not really the case.

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Speaker 5: It's true. I just yeah, your your job evolved and

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your responsibilities change, and next thing, you know, you're you know,

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you're busy, and it's for me, it's if I go

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out and play golf right now, and I'll you spend

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four hours or four and a half hours on the

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golf course, I'll walk back into you know, twenty voicemails

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and fifty emails that I probably could have tackled if

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I was you know, still you know, on the job,

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working in my office. So yeah, it's a it's a

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give and take. I mean, you just have to balance

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the two. And I think we all want to play

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more of it, and we understand that that's not this

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big job anymore. We've got some other stuff we got

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to take care of.

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Speaker 1: But Posit Tampo is a public course.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we have you. We're a semi private club,

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semi okay or semi public, whatever you want to call it.

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We have a we have a membership of roughly five

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hundred and fifty members. We have just over four hundred

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shares of stock, so it's an equity membership and you

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can you can purchase a share of stock and then

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that doesn't give you necessarily the right to play golf,

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but it does get you gives you the ability to

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purchase your annual membership, so we have stockholders and we

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also have stockholder members so again it's an investment possibly

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or you can utilize that ownership of your stock and

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buy your annual for the year.

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Speaker 1: I get it, okay, And it is because it's you know,

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it's such a high profile location, you know, near Monterey,

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and you have amazing courses that are known around the world.

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Pasa Tiempo is not as famous as those, probably because

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it's not been on the tour as much or why

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do you think that it's not as high profile as

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the other courses in Monterey.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 5: We kind of have this conversation at the board level

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as well as you know, amongst staff that you know,

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Pasita Tampa is a standalone golf course when you start

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looking at the likes of Pinehurst and Whistling Streets and

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Bandon Dunes and Pebble Beach, who has Spyglass and Eldlmanti

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in Spanish Bay, I mean that's it's a destination where

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you're going there to play golf and oh, by the way,

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we're going to go play Spanish basins. We're here. Posit

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Tampo is that it's your you need to be coming

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here on your way to Pebble, on your way back

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from Pebble, or you're coming here strictly to play golf

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versus just running into the golf course as another round

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you're going to play that week. I still think, you know,

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people associate Pasita Tampa would be in private, which I

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think is something that I've fought the last ten years

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with people. And you know, golf professionals will call me

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and say, hey, again, this is so and so from

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X y Z Country Club and you know my members

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would love to come play your golf course. Is there

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any possible way you can play? And then of course

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I say yeah, and we're SENDI private, We're SENDI public again,

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what however you want to call it, and we're open

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to come on out and play and we can work

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something out for you and get you on the golf course.

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So I think that's still a mis number, and we've

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kind of fought that that reputation for the last several years.

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Then we're obviously trying to change that.

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Speaker 1: For people who are considering flying to the San Francisco

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Bay area, you can fly into San Francisco, or if

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you fly if you're headed down to Monterey, you may

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even just fly into San Jose. But the drive that

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you're going to take, either from San Francisco or San Jose,

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you have to go over the Santa Cruz Mountains and

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as you're driving there, all of a sudden you go,

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Pasa Tiempo. Right right, it's right there on the way.

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Speaker 5: And yes, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a nice little side stop at least

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for a meal and for the views. But you might

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want to consider putting it on your plans to play

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around there. So you don't really see it as a

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destination course though like the other ones there.

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Speaker 5: Right, No, that's true, that's true. Like I say, I mean,

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it's it's its own zone golf course. I mean it's

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the only Alistair McKinsey golf course in our area that

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you're able to play and and and play as a

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daily fee golf course. I mean, we're number three in

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the state of California, of course, as you can play

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next to Tubble Beach and Spyglass And not too long ago,

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Matchanel from the Golf Channel put us number one, and

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we have that link on our website where he said

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Pasta Tempo's the number one golf course to play head

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of spy glass and pebble and you know, which is

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obviously a huge thing for us. And even just be

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in the top three, obviously it's a it's a great honor.

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But to be you know, thrown in there at number

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one by mat Janelle, who is a friend of mine

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and obviously who I respect, even more so since he

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gave us number one. But it was, it's very very

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nice and it feels good awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let's, uh, let's talk about the playability of the course.

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Let's get some tips on some hole and your features

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things like that. So let's let's uh, let's start with

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the features of the course and what it means to

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be an Alistair mackenzie course.

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Speaker 5: Well, you obviously look at the green complexes in the

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in the bunkering is number one. I mean, that's those

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are the things that truly make the Alistair mckennay golf courses.

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When you look at when you watch the Masters, or

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you see the President's Cup a year or two ago

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at at the Royal Melbourne, Pictures of Cyprus point, I

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mean the bunkering of of how strategic they're placed, you know,

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the design of them, A lot of the different fingers

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the greens obviously have pretty severe undulations, and some of

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them with a lot of false fronts where balls can't

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either even off the back of the green, off the

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front of the green can roll off and into maybe

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into a bunker or into a transition area. So it's

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it's really, you know, McKenzie was really a boy risk reward.

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He was also obviously about making the golf course fair.

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But it's one of those things where if you're if

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you're testing the golf course and testing a certain hole

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location at a McKinsey course, especially Aposta Tampo, is that

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if you, like I say, if you go too long

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or you short side yourself, you're you're going to pay dearly.

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Speaker 1: So is it not a good idea to be laying

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up on some of the holes just to get yourself

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in position, or is it smarter to go for it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well again, that's that's kind of that thing I

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said when we first got on the air today, was

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looking at those certain holes where you really feel like

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you can take advantage of as a risk reward and

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possibly even being able to play the golf course once

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or twice before we're getting here. But for first timers,

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I mean I have a hole by whole description on

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our website. They kind of take everybody through the hole

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of what club to hit and what club not to hit.

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But you can see on certain holes out of here

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that if you look at a particular whole location, I mean,

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you're going to know. I mean, if you're a if

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you're a fairly knowledgeable golfer, that you're going to look

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at that thing and say, well, if I miss this

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thing right, I don't think I'm going to be able

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to get this up them down. So yeah, going for it.

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I mean, this is why the golf course was built.

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It was built as a match to play golf course,

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and it's a perfect situation for that. Because if you're

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down one or two down and you want to take

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a risk of throwing a ball up towards a flag

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that's way up in the right corner of the green

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to try to make birdie to win that hole, then

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go for it. But if not, you might end up

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being three down.

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Speaker 1: And are the greens really large or they traditionally in

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the old you know, in the twenties and stuff, the

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greens were a lot smaller.

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Speaker 5: Well, that might be another conversation that we'll have today,

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But the greens were smaller until Tom Doak came in

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and did his redesign back in five and oh seven,

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and a lot of the fingers of the greens came back,

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a lot of the expansion from the front and the

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back on the sides came back into play, which got

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closer to a lot of those green side bunkers that

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had kind of gotten away from those bunkers through the

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years of just maybe imperfections or just mowing patterns or

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maybe lack of staff on the golf course back in

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the maybe the forties or fifties, sixties. But the greens

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are fairly big, especially for an older style golf course,

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and again have gotten bigger over the last several years

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after the restoration.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, did you get a lot of pushback from the

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traditionalists the purest when that then they redesigned was complete.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean, I think I think, really, when you

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look back at it, it's really trying to take it

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back to the way it was as much as we could.

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I think I think there were certain affection of the

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membership that just wanted to leave it alone. They thought

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it was good the way it was. But again that's

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just the people resisting change. But I think once the

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golf course was done, once the redesign was was completed,

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that everybody was just completely blown away, you know, including

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a lot of Golf Digest, Golf Week, Golf magatting raiders

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were just coming and going, oh my god, this is fantastic.

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So Tom Dook is probably I mean in his staff,

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I mean, Jim Orbina obviously did a lot of the shaping,

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a lot of the work himself. Are just complete gurs

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when it comes to redesigning mckensey golf courses.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, So now here I'm going to

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put you to task. You said that you have description

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on the website, and I'm going to study it a

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lot before I go down there. But I'm going to

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ask you about a couple of specific holes. And I'm

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not going to tell you which one. I'm going to

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let you choose, but let's pick your favorite. I don't

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know if you should say favorite or most challenging. Par three?

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Which one and tell us how to play it?

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Speaker 5: Number three without a doubt, And I'll give you just

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a quick snippet of another hole that it's probably the

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shortest of them, that gives them the most, gives me

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the most trouble. Number three from the back tees is

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a two hundred and forty five yard up till par

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three surrounded by bunkers. So for the most part, for

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the guy who's playing the back t's it's a driver.

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I mean it's a driver, and it's again through the

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redesign the golf course out of the entire left side

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of it. For most people who maybe think they can't

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get there, they'll basically hit a shot that's just kind

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of up in the neck of the green and then

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be able to try to bump the ball up onto

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the green to try to get it up and down

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for par and that's the worst they make a four.

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I mean, you can go for it, but again the

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risk reward side of it is that if you get

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on the right side and the bunkers, I mean, your

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head is probably about three feet below the bunker lip

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as you're trying to hit your second shot up to

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the green. So again you can go for it, but

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I would suggest if you can't get there, lay it

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up there in the neck, try to bump a ball.

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It's tied enough grass where you can roll the ball

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up onto the green and even putt if the pins

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in the front, So that'll kind of keep you away

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from making a big number.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what are you going to say something about a

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different part three too?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, number three, number fifteen on the back nine.

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I mean, I think I played yesterday and after I

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hit my shot, I think I told my force and

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I said, I don't think I hit this green the

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last ten times I've played it. It's one hundred. It's

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one hundred, and I think it was playing one hundred

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and thirty yards yesterday, I hit a fifty degree gap

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wedge and hitting the right bunker. I think the three

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times before that, I hit it over the green. But

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again it's just one of those holes where you're looking

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at it. It's short, but again surrounded by bunkers. There's

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00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,680
a creek that runs in front of the green, and

477
00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,279
I think visually it's just very intimidating. Even though it's

478
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,599
a even though it's a short hole, you're still looking

479
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,319
at it going and plus me not feeling very confident

480
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,720
on it, it still can bite you. And that's the

481
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:33,079
thing what you'll see with mckinna golf courses that at

482
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,920
any hole, at any time regardless of the yardage, can

483
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,400
come up and bite you good.

484
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,079
Speaker 1: And bite you hard.

485
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,599
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not trying to I'm not trying to steer

486
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:46,759
people away from the golf.

487
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,519
Speaker 1: Course, but well, you're scared the crap out of me.

488
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:50,799
I'm reconsidering.

489
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 5: I just want to just be very realistic when it

490
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,559
comes to this design and it is so unique and

491
00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,119
you walk away from every single hole going wow, and

492
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,519
you remember instead of saying, did we just play this

493
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,920
hole or we just played hole just like this, Every

494
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,680
hole has its own character, every hole has its own uniqueness.

495
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,079
Speaker 1: That's awesome. What about the terrain you said you were

496
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,319
in the Santa Cruz Mountains and Pebble Beach and the

497
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,039
rest are well, Pebble Beach is right there on the ocean.

498
00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:20,519
Is there a similarity between the types of terrain or

499
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,759
is pas tempo so unique that it's more like playing

500
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:29,079
up at the Olympic Club or Harding Park in San

501
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,680
Francisco with that kind of trees and things.

502
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,319
Speaker 5: I'd probably say it's probably a combination of both. I mean,

503
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:39,039
we're not as close obviously to the ocean as Pebble Beaches,

504
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:41,640
but we have many vistas in the golf course where

505
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,039
you can get a glimpse of the ocean, where a

506
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:49,480
tree lined golf course majority or pine cypress trees and oaks,

507
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,279
But it's the golf course from the back. There's only

508
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:55,720
sixty five hundred yards, so it's not along golf course,

509
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,359
but it plays as if it could be, you know,

510
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,960
seven thousand yards. But again it's a it's a somewhat

511
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,880
hilly terrain McKenzie. Obviously, being an older style golf course,

512
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,839
there's not a lot of space between teas and greens.

513
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,480
So for those who want to walk, it's very walkable.

514
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:14,039
I'd say probably you know, sixty sixty five percent of

515
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:19,079
our members walk the golf course, have motorized trolleys, they

516
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,319
have push carts, they carry their bags. And again, you

517
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,160
walk off the first green and you're you're walking probably

518
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,480
forty to fifty steps to the to the second t

519
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:31,200
So again it's a it's a very walkable golf course.

520
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,319
But again it's a test. I mean, you're going to

521
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,680
get some some pretty decent hills on the back nine,

522
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,799
But if you're used to walking, I'd walk it for sure.

523
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I definitely will. I play up in Marin

524
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:47,519
County where there are very few level courses out here,

525
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,960
and so and I prefer walking. I love what you know,

526
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,599
especially in a course that I've never played. I found

527
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,640
that I find that when I'm in a golf cart,

528
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,319
all I see is my ball, and I hit the ball,

529
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,519
drive to the ball, hit the drop ball, drive the ball,

530
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,799
and I really don't even remember the golf course. But

531
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,359
when I walk it, I walk it. I can see

532
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,960
not only the terrain, but the wildlife and the vistas,

533
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,599
and I can absorb so much more of it and

534
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,279
get into a better rhythm of playing.

535
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: For sure.

536
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: So I can bring my own push card. I have

537
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,279
to use yours.

538
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:21,519
Speaker 5: You can use yes, either one we have him for rent,

539
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:22,440
or you can bring your own.

540
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to put you on to a par

541
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,039
five again, either your favorite or the most challenging. And

542
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,759
why and how should we play it? There's three questions

543
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:38,279
and ones.

544
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 5: I'd probably say number thirteen. Number thirteen is a par

545
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,400
five dog leg left the again. With the restoration project,

546
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,640
the thirteenth tea was extended and the bunkering around the greens,

547
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,400
especially a bunker that plays about sixty seventy yards in

548
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000
front of the green, was restored again. It's a good

549
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,480
hole green. The fairway slopes from from right to left,

550
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,960
so drive up the right side of the farewell kind

551
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,200
of trickle and kind of move back to the left

552
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,079
of the fairway. All of the trouble really on the

553
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:13,039
left side is where you want to avoid. There's out

554
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,200
of bounds on the right, but it's quite a ways away,

555
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,720
so you can really kind of get up that right

556
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:18,119
side and let it just kind of come back to

557
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,720
the fairway. The second shot, you just got to take

558
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,559
into consideration in that bunker that's about seventy yards ahead

559
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,079
and just lay it up there short, which would give

560
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,119
you a nice and nice little short wedge onto the green.

561
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,039
The big hitters can get there in two you know,

562
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:35,119
probably with a long iron or a hybrid or a

563
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,680
fairway wood. There's a couple whole locations on that green

564
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,319
that are just nasty. There's a back right location which

565
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,279
is probably one of the hardest locations on the entire

566
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,720
golf course that it's hard to get to because the

567
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,839
green you move from right to left, but the pin

568
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,960
is tucked over to the right. So typically if you're

569
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,480
playing in the skins game and you make a birdie there,

570
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,599
you're usually gonna win a skin. But it's a fantastic hole.

571
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,400
The greenish shaped kind of like Mickey Mouse would call it,

572
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:04,240
you know, ear one or ear two.

573
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:05,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

574
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 5: The head the head basically is the center of the

575
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,880
green and there's two big ears that go on either side,

576
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,960
and it's a it's a fantastic hole.

577
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: And do you move the flag to all the ears

578
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,400
and AND's face?

579
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: I mean you all over the place without a doubt.

580
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,839
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So you know the name of this program

581
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,960
is Golf Smarter, and it's it's not just the name,

582
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400
it's the way I choose to play golf. I mean,

583
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,359
I'm not really high on the risk reward element because

584
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,680
I find that the that the risk when you're you know,

585
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240
the quality of player that I am, and I think

586
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:46,359
that most golfers are risk is really not worth it

587
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,519
that much. I Mean it seems like, you know, yeah,

588
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,279
I'll go for it, but then I'm gonna be double

589
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,880
bogging as supposed to, you know, as opposed to setting

590
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200
myself up for a shot that I'm more confident with

591
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,640
and then walk away with a bogie at worst. Right,

592
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:05,759
So is that par five something that again, strategically speaking,

593
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,200
you should inch your way up to it as opposed

594
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,480
to going for it.

595
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's probably I mean, it really

596
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,920
depends on your game. If you feel like you're a

597
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,720
fairly decent, fairly decent bunker player, I'd say go for it,

598
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,160
because again, the bunkers are very much around the edges

599
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,279
of the greens. And if you go for it and too,

600
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,480
I think it's a fairly easy out and it's not

601
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,119
going to be one of those bunkers like he describe

602
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,359
a number three. You can get the ball into the green.

603
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,279
A lot of stuff funnels to the middle, especially the

604
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,920
flags in the center, but I wouldn't necessarily creep up

605
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,359
on that. I think, you know, the par fives are

606
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,839
some of the holes where you can really kind of

607
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:48,200
make up a few shots. Typically that's where people kind

608
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,519
of look to say, if they make a bogie and

609
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,599
a par five, they feel like they kind of lost

610
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,880
one maybe to the field. But I think the par

611
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,559
fives are more so the holes you take advantage of

612
00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:59,200
versus kind of inching up on it.

613
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: And what about the bunker conditions, what kind of I mean,

614
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,519
the photographs look like it's pure white sand.

615
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 5: Yes, the beautiful sands. It's very playable some people. It's

616
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,839
it's dense, so that's a little bit more of the

617
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,400
heaviness to it. So a digger in a bunker versus

618
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,039
somebody who can just kind of splash it out and

619
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,119
slide that face underneath is more so the shot versus

620
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:25,559
than trying to just kind of dig it out with

621
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,960
a shallower sand like some people have on some courses.

622
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: And are most of the bunkers just around the greens

623
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,799
or do you have a lot of fairway bunkers as well?

624
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:35,799
They create some problems in your head.

625
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a few. There's a few. On a I'd

626
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,960
say probably half the holes have bunkers. Some bunkers are

627
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,000
in the fairies strictly as aiming points or to kind

628
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,240
of help shape the hole, which was a McKinsey characteristic

629
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:51,559
as well. So there's some balls that definitely come into

630
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,200
play or some bunkers have come into play, But as

631
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,279
far as the actual difficulty of the ones in the fairway,

632
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,240
not really.

633
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: Kay, I'm really getting nervous. Yeah, I've definitely played courses

634
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,240
where I walked away going okay, I want to play

635
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,119
that again right now, you know, And this sounds like

636
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,759
exactly what it's going to be not that it's going

637
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,640
to be easy to do that, all right. So let's

638
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,279
take a couple, now, a couple of part fours that

639
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:25,160
you like and admire and are challenged by. Uh, let's

640
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,880
pick let's pick something on the front nine.

641
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: First front nine.

642
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,759
Speaker 5: Part four probably would be number two. Actually know what,

643
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,200
I take that back. I'm going to go with number one.

644
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,119
Speaker 1: Oh great, number.

645
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 5: One, Number one, two and three out of the gate

646
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:47,119
are handicapped, four, eight and two. WHOA, So right out

647
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,000
of the gate, if you can, if you can maneuver

648
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,440
your way through the first three holes, you're you're okay,

649
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,200
you know, hitting a number four. But it doesn't start

650
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,559
off easy. It starts off with a good challenge. Number

651
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,160
one is a it's a four hundred and six the

652
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,759
yard par four right out of the gate, got the

653
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,480
Monterey Bay in the background. It's a fairly straight hole.

654
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,440
No fairway bunkers, but there is a little there's there's

655
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,680
a little fairway bunker. That's something near the green again

656
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,039
about seventy yards that will catch those second shots for

657
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,319
those people that are, you know, maybe trying to go

658
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,599
for it and maybe just don't get all of it

659
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,160
and catch that bunker right there in the middle. Again

660
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:25,160
a very long green, probably about thirty eight paces long

661
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,680
from front to back, and with a couple of fairly

662
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,920
large bunkers that guard the right side of the right

663
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,599
side of the green. But again another great hole out

664
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,519
of the gate and actually back in the original design

665
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,799
was a par five with a t being back a

666
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,480
little bit farther up on the hillside, which is one

667
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,799
of the things that I know our board and some

668
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,440
of our board members and our even our general manager

669
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,440
are looking forward to possibly restoring one day. It's not

670
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,839
something that's in the plans, but just something that if

671
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,680
we can restore another piece of Apasta tampo, we'd like

672
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,039
to do it.

673
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: And go ahead. Tell me about number two, a dragon

674
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,559
tarbardy hole this point.

675
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, Number two, I'd say probably is a fair way.

676
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,960
It's probably my favorite driving hole. I hit the ball

677
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,039
right to left and it's a ferry to slopes from

678
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:11,359
right to left, so I can kind of get it

679
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,920
up that right side and let it come down. It's

680
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,200
a little bit of a downhill. Part four. Again you

681
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,240
can see a nice little view from the tee towards

682
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,279
the Monterey Bay and the saddle of the trees. And again,

683
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,920
very one of our few greens that slope from front

684
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,240
to back. Most of the greens being push up greens,

685
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:35,000
they're sloping from from back to front. Again, probably you're

686
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
going to give leave you about a mid iron into

687
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,759
this green. Probably you'd say, you know, for a drive

688
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,519
that you hit two hundred and forty two hundred and

689
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,720
fifty yards, you'll probably have one hundred and sixty sixty

690
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,039
five left on your second shot. Everything plays from right

691
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,119
to left. There's a bunker that kind of guards the

692
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,559
left side of the green, but if you can get

693
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:55,720
it up on the right hand side, everything funnels down

694
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,160
onto the green and it releases down towards the hole.

695
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: And what about the speed of the greens and also

696
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,119
the undulation overall?

697
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: In general, our role is basically running at ten to

698
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
five with the undulations. I mean, obviously a downhelp I

699
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,559
can get as going as quick as fifteen just simply

700
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,480
based on severity from back to front. But if you're

701
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,599
just basically if we're doing looking at a stip meter reading,

702
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,760
our goal is to get him at ten to five daily.

703
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:32,679
Speaker 1: Erry. That's very competitive, yeah, to say the least. All right,

704
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,480
let's pick a couple hole, a couple par fours in

705
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,039
the back nine that's easy.

706
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,039
Speaker 5: Eleven and sixteen. Eleven and sixteen are or sixteen is

707
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:47,480
probably McKenzie's most famous hole. It was his number one

708
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,920
favorite hole of all the golf golf holes he designed

709
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,840
in the United States. It's our number three handicap hole.

710
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,519
Sixteen is four tiers on the green, slipping from back

711
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,880
to front. There's probably again another green that's probably forty

712
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,480
paces long and probably has roughly seven to eight whole locations,

713
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,280
one being middle left, which is just a diabolical position

714
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,719
because if you go for it and you go into

715
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,800
the road. I was there yesterday and just happened to

716
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,480
make a birdy myself, so that got me a skin wow.

717
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,320
And then again the hole is when you look at

718
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,559
it and you come over the hill from off the

719
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:27,119
tee and you stand at the top and you look

720
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,239
at that green, it's just amazing. It's just crazy. I

721
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,760
mean you're standing at the bottom of the green or

722
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,920
from the top of the green. It's probably it's got

723
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,519
to be twenty feet from height from front to back.

724
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,679
Speaker 1: Is there anything about number sixteen that ended up in Atlanta?

725
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 5: Sorry, in Augusta, I think probably just simply the false fronts.

726
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,199
I mean, I think there again one of those things

727
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,039
that if your ball doesn't get all the way up

728
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,360
or up to the top of the tier and it

729
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,360
starts trickling back at all, roll all the way off

730
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,519
the front of the green, and just some of the

731
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,880
severity of the er the bunker in there. But yeah,

732
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,199
when you want, if you look at Augusta and you

733
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,840
one and you come play pasta Tampa, you can see

734
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,480
the similarities pretty much right away.

735
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,039
Speaker 1: That's so cool that that you can't do that on

736
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,239
on either either side of the country. You are alluding

737
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,440
to number eleven as well.

738
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,159
Speaker 5: Number eleven is the number one handicap pole. It's an

739
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,800
uphill part four. It's not super long, but it is demanding.

740
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,239
On the second shot, the drive is relatively benign. Got

741
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,400
a pretty straightaway fairway. There's a little hazard on the

742
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,480
left hand side that if you hook it and get

743
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
it going left, you can you can roll into the hazard.

744
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,280
But once you're once you're in the fairway. The second

745
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,320
shot is the key. The green kind of slopes a

746
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,079
little bit, kind of kitty corner to the side and

747
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,920
kind of away from you, so you're actually trying to

748
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,519
carry the fairway bunker or excuse me, you're trying to

749
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,039
carry the hazard and the green side bunkers onto the

750
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,000
green and then the green itself is is again one

751
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,840
of those Mackenzie greens where if you get it, don't

752
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,719
get it all the way up that rolls off the front,

753
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,519
or a nice bridge that goes across the canyon once

754
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:06,239
you hit your second shot to drive up to the

755
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,360
green and again a great vista standing on that eleventh

756
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,000
green and then to the next t, the twelfth t

757
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,840
that kind of looks back towards the Lottery Bay and

758
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,039
even up towards half of them bay.

759
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:21,119
Speaker 1: Thanks for the t tour on those. When you talk

760
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,480
about getting giving lessons to the members, do you also

761
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,360
get visitors who come in saying, I need a lesson

762
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,039
before I start playing to understand how to play this course.

763
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:33,760
Do you get a lot at the end of that.

764
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we get some quite a bit of

765
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,239
a request for plane lessons. It's not something that we

766
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,960
typically do on the golf course, but I've had people

767
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,840
come in and just want to sit for a half

768
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,960
hour or forty five minutes and take that much time

769
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960
and try to pay me to give them the description

770
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,599
of how to play the golf course, where for me

771
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,679
it's you know, it's something that I just do. As

772
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,320
far as you know, people coming out to play the

773
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,800
golf course and enjoy themselves are given as a bunch

774
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,039
of information I can at no charge. But there's you know,

775
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:04,599
there are people that want to be able to kind

776
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,400
of know before they go out there because this might

777
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,320
be the only time we're able to play it. So

778
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,280
instead of you know, experiencing those oh I should have

779
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,880
done it this way this time, they understand that, you know,

780
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:17,840
we're not to miss the miss the ball. And I'm

781
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,559
more than happy to share that information with them.

782
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: And that's why you put a lot of that information

783
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,480
on the website. You can just tell them just yeah,

784
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,440
read the website. I already gave that information out.

785
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,559
Speaker 5: Yes, And we do also have you know, golf lessons

786
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,599
here and like I said, I I give public lessons

787
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,119
and member lessons and my staff is also here. I

788
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,960
have three golf professionals other than myself that they give

789
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,440
golf lessons as well. So we're we're definitely open to

790
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,679
open to the public for lessons.

791
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good size staff for for of course

792
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,039
that that's a good size teaching staff generally.

793
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yes, Let's talk about.

794
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: The rating and slope of the different t boxes so

795
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,559
I can get a sense of because I'm not I'll

796
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,800
tell you now, I'm not playing from the back teas.

797
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: I hear you.

798
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what what kind of rating slope and where

799
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,719
should you know? We'll get to that next question, but

800
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,840
let's talk about the rating and.

801
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 5: Slope back teaser. It's rated over seventy two, so it's

802
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,320
seventy two point four and one forty three slope. So

803
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,519
again one description. Yeah, the description I've had with everybody

804
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,440
on the on the air to day is pretty accurate.

805
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,920
And the slope reflect it as well as the course rating.

806
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,239
And I think most people that I would tell that

807
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,320
come out here and they look at that sixty five

808
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,440
twenty one yardage. Like I said earlier, they all want

809
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,880
to play the back teas and by the time they

810
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,679
get to the back of the fourth hole, they say, hey, guys,

811
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,280
just play the whites, so.

812
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: They don't look at the one forty three. That makes

813
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,760
me nuts. Why people look at the yardage and not

814
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,480
the rating.

815
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,679
Speaker 5: Or slope correct if it's under seven thousand yards, is

816
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,960
kind of the barometer and what I've scene. If it's

817
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,079
under seven thousand yards, they're going to play the back

818
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,559
tees and sometimes it's just a mistake and they probably

819
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,360
would have had a better time playing the middle teest.

820
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, so that's the how many sets of tees

821
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:10,239
do you have?

822
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,039
Speaker 5: Three?

823
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,159
Speaker 1: Okay? So then your middle teas are what the uh,

824
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,920
the blue.

825
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,599
Speaker 5: The middle ties are the white teas. So the championship

826
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,639
for the gold and the middle tees are the white.

827
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,880
At seventy point eight.

828
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,559
Speaker 1: One is still not a walk in the park.

829
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,079
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, it's it's still a test, trust me.

830
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,320
It's it's a test from the green teas. I mean

831
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,360
the green teas, which are our forward tees, are sixty

832
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,400
eight point nine one thirty for the men. So it's

833
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,920
it's still it's still a good test.

834
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to see if I can convince you know,

835
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
I've been invited to come down with a friend in

836
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,239
some of his colleagues, and I'm going to see if

837
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,599
these guys will swallow and say, come on, let's play

838
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,360
the green and see how they go about. It's like

839
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,000
I'm not playing the ladies teas. It's like, oh, really you.

840
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 5: Know, well, you know what a good A good alternative

841
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,519
is to play the combo teas, which is a we

842
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,400
have both a white gold tea combo and we also

843
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,239
have a white green tea combo. Okay, So and those

844
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,000
and those courses are a little bit more subtle than

845
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:22,519
what we're talking about.

846
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,599
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah. I mean it's when guys give me this

847
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,480
this argument of like, I'm not going to play the

848
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,159
fronties you kidding? It's like, oh, excuse me, could you

849
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,079
shoot par if you play in the fronties exactly? And

850
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,760
they're like no, let's say then, why are you being

851
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,119
such a jerk about it?

852
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,639
Speaker 5: Yeah? Exactly?

853
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, So uh there you mentioned you know that

854
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,440
when the course was open nineteen twenty nine, the country

855
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,199
was going through bad times and it made it difficult

856
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,000
for the course. At that point here in California, we're

857
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,039
having a difficult time right now with water. Yes, And

858
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,239
how is that impacting a destination course, a member course

859
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,119
in the mountains near the ocean. What kind of impact

860
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,159
is that having and what are you doing about it?

861
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 5: Well, it's impacting us pretty severely. I mean at this

862
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,760
at this point where we've been we've been cut fifty

863
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,400
percent by the City of Santa Cruz. We are we're

864
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,559
obviously are greens tees, approaches, surrounds are receiving one hundred

865
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,519
percent of their water needs. Are fairies and roughs are

866
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,360
receiving pretty much about the other forty percent. So the

867
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,519
golf courses is playing firm and fast. We're obviously doing

868
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:46,199
our part where we're using every every drop that's allotted

869
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,760
to us. We're not saving anything for financial purposes. We're

870
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,599
putting all the water that we can on the golf

871
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,960
course just to maintain playability. And and like I said,

872
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,239
it's it's firm and fast. They played yesterday. I played

873
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,280
the ball down and it was fine. I mean there's

874
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,360
there's some firm wise, I mean it's not wash and wet,

875
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,639
but it's I think for me personally, it's a lot

876
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,199
closer to the way that it should be playing anyway.

877
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,199
I always I think people get a little bit too

878
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,599
concerned about perfect playing conditions. And you look at the

879
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:22,400
British Open, you look at golf courses in Britain, or

880
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,880
in Ireland, or in Scotland or New Zealand. When I

881
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,960
went back and played there that you know, the fairwayes

882
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,960
are green when the rains that they turn green. When

883
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239
they don't, when it doesn't rain, they turn brown. But

884
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,840
the green complexes and the teas are always good. And

885
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,920
that's kind of where we are right now. The golf

886
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,639
course again is true McKinsey design, and we're just trying

887
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,000
to make do and getting through this period.

888
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,559
Speaker 1: What is the conversation in the industry in northern California.

889
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,920
I don't know how Southern California they're throwing their nose

890
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,559
up at it, I don't know. But what is the

891
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,639
water conversation as opposed to conservation, the conversation going on

892
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,760
among golf courses about what to do and how to

893
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,800
deal with this crisis?

894
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, most most people now are

895
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,760
looking at water alternatives. I mean, we're right now in

896
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,760
the talks for the City of Scotts Valley to to

897
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,159
get tertiary treated to water to the golf course if

898
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,679
you want to call it second water gray water, and

899
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,320
have a treatment plant here on property or the pump

900
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,880
station to get into our irrigation system. And then we're

901
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,480
researching wells. You know, there's so many issues with wells

902
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,920
right now, and and just for people that have farm

903
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,599
landing crops and you know, they're pretty tied up, so

904
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,599
us trying to track down a well digger to get

905
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,559
over here to do it. And we're pretty low in

906
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,880
the tunnel pol when it comes to when it comes

907
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,320
to golf courses when people are trying to save their

908
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:53,760
crops and their livelihood. So those are probably the two

909
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,760
biggest thing is instead of getting you know, fresh water,

910
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,920
it's going to be secondary treated water and well water.

911
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:03,920
And that's really where we are right now. And we're

912
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,960
you know, we're hoping to have a solution within the

913
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,639
next couple of months, and we should be, we should

914
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:15,239
be in full force with our new solution by next spring. Today,

915
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,119
I know that they're dying to know when we're gonna

916
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:19,079
when we're going to have this done, and when it's

917
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:20,480
going to be done, and we're going to know within

918
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:21,920
the next couple of months.

919
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: When you say they want to know when we're going

920
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,840
to be done, who's the.

921
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 5: They, I'd say the members, Uh huh.

922
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: And what about the management company?

923
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 5: Uh? Well, the members are the man of the company.

924
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,800
The members own the corporation that's an equity membership, that's

925
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
a far stock and they own the place.

926
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so yeah, it's their call. Well, luckily they're local.

927
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,960
It's not as if it's an ownership company that's based

928
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,239
in in Georgia or Texas, who you know, or Florida

929
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,440
that just doesn't necessarily get what's going on water wise here.

930
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,119
Speaker 5: Correct, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's really I mean you

931
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:02,199
start looking at localized problems. It's really something that is

932
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,039
not affecting the entire entire nation. On the water shortage obviously.

933
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:07,159
I mean we were in like I said, we were

934
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,440
in Courtley in Idaho and played golf and there's no

935
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:12,000
lack of water and I and I'll tell you that.

936
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,199
I mean the guys got their hand watering. I mean

937
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,119
the golf courses was squishy, and it was probably ninety

938
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,880
five degrees and it was so wet. The humidity was

939
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,920
just stifling. So there's certain areas that are water flesh,

940
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,920
no pun intended. I got it.

941
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: I got the joke. Yeah. Well, it's going to be

942
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,000
interesting to see how this plays out in northern California

943
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,480
for the golf courses because I know that there are

944
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,800
a lot of very nervous managers course managers, right, no doubt. Yeah,

945
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,840
and a lot of frustrated golfers too, who are winding

946
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,320
and they're whining about the conditions. That's like, oh my god,

947
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,239
this course. Look at how brown it is, Like, are

948
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,639
you kidding your commenting on it being brown?

949
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 5: Yes, come, yes, Well, we also are very sensitive to

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the fact of what's going on and the amount of

951
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money that people are playing to pay golf, play golf.

952
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So we've you know, we've instituted a program where we're

953
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giving out the beginning August first, we're giving out fifty

954
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dollars vouchers to people to use for a future round.

955
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So they come on and play between August first and

956
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September thirtieth, they give them a fifty dollars voucher. They

957
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can use that for a future around. Let's get through

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December of twenty fifteen. So we want to do it's

959
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a good will gesture in our part to say we

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appreciate you coming out. Here's fifty bucks off, come back

961
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and see us again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm glad I'm coming after August first, Yes, sir,

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and you don't have to answer this because I know

964
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these things fluctuate. But what is a green fee?

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Speaker 5: Green fees are two hundred and thirty dollars walking and

966
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to sixty two to ride. Once in a while, we'll

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look at the t sheet, probably sometimes forty eight hours

968
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seventy two hours in advance, and see if we have

969
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a block between say one and three o'clock that's open.

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We'll throw up a special on our website for one

971
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sixty five and you can go right to our website,

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which is Pasta Tampo dot com. Right in the middle

973
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of the page, there's a book Ta Times page and

974
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you can bring it up and check out specials and

975
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our rates twenty four to seven.

976
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Speaker 1: I love the name Pasa tiempo. It is so Spanish

977
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and it is so perfect for golf.

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Speaker 3: Right, yes it is pastime, Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 5: And our logo, which is I'm not sure if you've

980
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seen it. It's probably one of the most recognizable logos

981
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and obviously was voted one of the top fifty by

982
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Golf Guy just several years ago. It's it's really cool.

983
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So you got to get yourself a shirt.

984
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be definitely checking this ail rack when I

985
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get there, because after paying two thirty to walker, of course,

986
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I'm gonna my wife's like, oh, and you bought a

987
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shirt too. Really, really you bought oh yeah shirt, here's

988
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,039
the shorts and look at my jacket. She's right, you're

989
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out of here, all right. Well, ken Woods head professional

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at PASA Tempo. I really appreciate your time and your

991
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tea tour and the tips and the insights and the

992
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history lesson that was phenomenal. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you fair. I appreciate you having me and

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we'll look forward to seeing you next week.