WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:02.759 Folks. As you know, the laps Fan and the Complete 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:05.919 Hulk Hogan are bringing together resources from all corners of 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:08.599 the Solar System. Those who are able to put cheese 4 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:11.160 behind funding the extra effort it takes to tell the 5 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.160 complete story of the one and Only Hulk Hogan. Among 6 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.320 those is our friend Matt Over at Late Night Wrestling, 7 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:20.480 a podcast concept that's fictional. It covers the violent spectacle 8 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.640 that is pro wrestling. Isn't the most pro wrestling fictional team. 9 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:28.839 I set the hook and you took a byte. Presented 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.359 in a radio or doc format with a late night 11 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:34.200 radio vibe, host Hank Owens looks at the current major 12 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:36.119 stories in pro wrestling and delves into the past for 13 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.119 moments in wrestling history you may have missed, Ladies and gentlemen, 14 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.439 the Solar System. Late Night Wrestling began its fourth season 15 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.799 here in October, and here are some of the things 16 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:49.159 that you'll be seeing. The story of Large Barge, a 17 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.719 promoter who had hardcore shows on his barge in international waters. 18 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.119 I can imagine why you'd want to be in international waters. 19 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:58.159 What kinds of things you try to do on that 20 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.840 ship that are only allowed in international waters. I'm glad 21 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.759 that the guy's name is Large Barge too big thumbs up. 22 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.280 That sounds like a good name for Jesse Ventura to 23 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:08.159 say mighty. Go ahead and. 24 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:10.640 Say, you know, I've always been a big fan of 25 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.040 a large Barge. 26 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:18.040 Okay. His tapes of those shows are called International Waters 27 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:23.319 Super Hits. How about Tools Denver, owner of gum dot com, 28 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:27.480 the only twenty four to seven gum delivery service, and 29 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.959 he's slowly becoming a major player at independent wrestling. He's 30 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.159 funding and promoting a tour of shows on college campus 31 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:37.159 is called Tools Takes Over Your School and also Remembrance 32 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:41.079 Today Rumble a show on November eleventh in Montreal. Also 33 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.719 in a wrestling school in Milwaukee called Herzog West, named 34 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:47.239 after the two founders, Gerard Gerard Herzog and Jack West. 35 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.920 They're also an auto rapier school to get some form 36 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:55.799 of accreditation. I wonder who that's supposed to be and 37 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:58.079 Jack yea. So even if you don't make it as 38 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:02.359 a wrestler, you can leave with a trade skill. It's 39 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:04.159 harder to get into trade schools these days, and it 40 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.799 is a pro wrestling school, that's for sure. Okay. 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But as you 117 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.600 know by now, we're trying to reach out beyond just 118 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.560 our podcast studios, get a finer idea and some more 119 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.399 color as to what it was like to witness the 120 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.560 rise of Hulk Hogan before he was Hulk Hogan. And 121 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:00.800 we can't do much better when it comes to his 122 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.199 first match. Then, speaking to a gentleman who was in 123 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.240 the ring with him in those absolutely early formative days, 124 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.240 he is Brian Blair, formerly of the Killer Bees and 125 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.439 a legend in the business. Brian, it's so great to 126 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:13.879 have you on the show. Thanks for joining us. 127 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.040 Thank you, Jack. It's great to be here. Yeah, I 128 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.519 had you know, I'm still hurting over Terry, or a 129 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.560 lot of us are. But fortunately we all have great 130 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.560 memories and we hold on to those tight and just 131 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.759 pray that Terry's in a better place. 132 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.040 Before getting into those recollections of those early days. That's 133 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.759 probably not a bad place to start, Brian. I mean, 134 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:41.160 we're a couple of months out now from losing Hulkogan 135 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.519 and you were as close to him as there are 136 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.000 a few that were as close to him as you were, 137 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.680 living so close to him and being with him from 138 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.199 the beginning of his career. Do you still find yourself 139 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.120 thinking about him, like in a quiet moment, do you 140 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.120 have to sort of be reminded that he's no longer here? 141 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:55.839 What's that like? 142 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:01.079 No, I'm reminded every day. I have a one of 143 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:05.920 those little risk bands. It says Hulco Mania forever. 144 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:07.120 Oh yeah, that'll do it. 145 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:12.959 Yeah, seven twenty five, of course, that's the day Terry 146 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:18.040 went to heaven. And you know, I just, yeah, absolutely, 147 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.399 I think about him. You know, I read my Bible 148 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:25.120 every day and his memorial card is right there, and 149 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.040 I stare at his face and think about him every 150 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:30.600 single day. 151 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.000 Oh wow. So yeah, the wristband, that constant reminder. Well great, 152 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.800 So I want to talk about the first match because 153 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.040 you know, people that really get, like to a geek 154 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:41.439 level about Hulk's life will always look up his record 155 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.439 of matches. That's it's not a thing on the internet, 156 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.879 you know. And over the years, I think it became 157 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.000 known that, in fact, his match with you in Chieflin, Florida, 158 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:50.879 which you've talked a lot about in prior interviews and 159 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:54.120 in great detail in your book with Ian Douglas, was 160 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.240 thought to be his first. He talks about it as 161 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.519 his first match. Terry does, I think in his second book. 162 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:02.480 But there are records of him wrestling Don Serrano on 163 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:05.879 August ninth before your Chieflin match with him on August 164 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.160 eleventh of that year. Now, of course, it's asking a 165 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.680 lot of you to remember specific details from that far back. 166 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:14.639 We're talking August ninth, nineteen seventy seven, of course, but 167 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:16.759 I did want to start by asking because it did 168 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.959 say you were on that first card Fort Pierce, Florida, 169 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.240 August ninth, seventy seven, John Carroll High School, when Don 170 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.959 Serrano defeated Super Destroyer, which of course was Terry under 171 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.160 the hood. Apparently Don Serano was supposed to wrestle Wolfman 172 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.399 Smith on the show. There's like a newspaper clip about 173 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.799 that that says Wolfman was a no show, so Super 174 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.840 Destroyer gets plugged in there. Do you remember that at all? 175 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.879 You were wrestling Tony Rocco, I believe on the card. 176 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.919 No, I do not recall that. I absolutely recall our 177 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.679 match and what we had several matches, not just in 178 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:53.399 Chiefland and Fort Myers, oh, several places. But I don't 179 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:59.399 recall him. I know that he wrestled Don after a 180 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.960 couple of weeks after he is match in Chiefland. 181 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.879 Yes, yeah, I'm showing him August twenty fifth in Jacksonville, 182 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.480 and you wrestled in August tenth and eleventh, so yeah. 183 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, that was a while. That 184 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.320 was a great We had worked a lot of course 185 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:19.960 we broke in together. I was in the dungeon with 186 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:23.159 Matt Suda for three and a half summers, which is 187 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:26.440 a long time with ero Matt Sudo. You know, one 188 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:29.080 one hour is a long one one minute is a 189 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:34.840 long time with just here. But I have no idea 190 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.000 how how I made it through that, but I guess 191 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.960 it was just a lot of passion drive termination. And 192 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.600 I just remembered Terry long before wrestling. And anyway, if 193 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.879 you wanted to talk about that first match, I rode 194 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:57.080 up to Chiefland with the Brisco Brothers, and I believe 195 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:03.279 Don Morocco was with us, and and Terry rode with 196 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:08.480 I've been called off. I believe Pat Patterson. I know 197 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.039 there was several other heels, but you know, k Fabe 198 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:16.720 was very strict back then. Yeah, of course, you know, 199 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.679 we the heels would never ride with the maybe faces 200 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:25.240 or advice of me. So they told us a few 201 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.639 days ahead of time that we were going to you know, 202 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.720 Terry's finally going to work maybe, but oh, I don't 203 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.480 know a week ahead of time, and they really I 204 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.120 had been working for a few months, but they kind 205 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:40.159 of wait till the last minute to smarten you up. 206 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.240 But Terry was such a fan and such a student 207 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:48.000 of the game. I mean, he never missed at the Armory. 208 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.879 But we were excited because they said we were going 209 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.360 to have a fifteen minute Broadway or draw fifteen minute draw, 210 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.759 we call it a Broadway. And in wrestling speaking, so 211 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.840 Terry and I are in the ring and go over 212 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.559 a bunch of spots, you know, for a few days, 213 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:13.399 we're really excited about it. And oh gosh, the Briscos 214 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.840 are pumping me up on the way there. And I'm 215 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.960 sure I'm sure Terry was getting pumped up by Pat 216 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.919 Patterson and Ivan call Off and the rest of the guys. 217 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:30.120 But we get we get in the ring, introduces, we 218 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.559 get in the ring. It's a good little crowd in 219 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:37.159 chief when it's at the high school and and anyway, 220 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.480 we start out and we're just going back and forth, 221 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.919 back and forth. You know, five minutes gone, everything's going great. 222 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.480 I mean, we're having a nice little you know, we're 223 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:52.600 doing chain wrestling, you know, reverses and switches and and 224 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:57.759 go behind and you know, things that Terry really wasn't 225 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.120 designed to do, and he would quickly throw out of 226 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.840 his repertoire. But we were doing that kind of stuff 227 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.679 at the beginning, because I said, wrestling on the marquee, 228 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.879 so we were wrestling. Eddie Raham liked wrestling, you know. 229 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.200 The exception was, you know, Dusty. That's why Dusty got 230 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.759 over so big, because Florida was built as a wrestling territory. 231 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:21.360 But anyway, five minutes gone in the match, a lot 232 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:27.639 of chain wrestling and little strong man stuff with Terry, 233 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:33.399 a few of those kind of spots, and finally he 234 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.399 starts getting the heat on me, you know, boom boom bone. 235 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:42.519 Ten minutes gone, and I know it's a fifteen minute 236 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:48.559 Broadway and Terry's got me. Or actually I had him 237 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.960 right before that down and I snapped married him and 238 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.679 had him in a reverse chin lock. And I looked 239 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.200 and all the talent is out on both sides, all 240 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.000 the baby faces are out on the one side, and 241 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:03.720 all the heels are out on the other side. I 242 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.200 whispered it there. I said, damn, we must be having 243 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:11.320 a heck of a match, whether everybody's watching, and he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 244 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:18.000 let's keep it. And so anyway, we don't hear the timekeeper. 245 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.720 You know, he announced at the beginning, one fall, fifteen 246 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.879 minute match, he did ten minutes gone, and you know, 247 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:28.399 normally the timekeeper go when you get fifteen minutes, they'll 248 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.759 give you like at least the last three minutes, you know, 249 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.679 seventeen or thirteen minutes gone, fourteen minutes. 250 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:35.080 Gone, and. 251 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.039 You know, so there's something that won't. So I'm just 252 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.759 still a green too, and I'm working my way through it. Well, 253 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.519 I know that at least three minutes gone, I have 254 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.919 gone by and I don't hear anything he tarried in 255 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.639 it or anything. So I said, hey, bro, we need 256 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.840 to kick it in. So we start kicking in and 257 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.759 do it all our spots to come back. You know, 258 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.840 he got really good heat on me, don't finally turned 259 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.559 heel no more wrestling, you know, gouged my eyes, you know, 260 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.279 threw me into the bashing my head into the turnbuckle, 261 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.440 choking me with the rope, all that kind of stuff, 262 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.759 dropping elbows on me and barely kicking out two and 263 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:19.320 a half and finally he misses something. You start to 264 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.759 come back being bang boom, and I know, now fifteen 265 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.960 minutes is gone, being bang booming up. All of a 266 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.480 sudden we hear fifteen minutes gone, fifteen to go. So 267 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.080 fifteen minutes to go, fifteen minutes gone, fifteen minutes to go, 268 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:40.480 and so the Brisco was changed it to a thirty 269 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.480 minute match. And we had given everything we had. We 270 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.759 had nothing left in the tank. Terry had nothing, I 271 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:51.399 had nothing. I mean, we were just totally gassed. We 272 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:55.240 got fifteen minutes to go. That's probably the worst fifteen 273 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:59.799 minutes of wrestling in my life. Oh gosh, you know, 274 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.120 talked about that many many at times, just you know, 275 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:08.720 the business is full of jokes and there's always practical jokes, 276 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.440 and that Terry was never a practical joker, really, but 277 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:17.559 he was at the blunt of a few viscal brother 278 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:23.440 practical jokes and that was one that God is really good. 279 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:27.279 I mean it was. They were laughing so hard over there. 280 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.159 I mean, they don't want to expose the business, but 281 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.720 you can see him putting their arms over their mouths 282 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:37.320 and slapping each other, and slowly they're disappearing and peeping 283 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.919 out that went peeping out the door, watching to see 284 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.399 what kind of match we had. The crowd completely died. 285 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:45.320 It was. It was rough. 286 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.879 Wow. You mentioned Brian going over spots in the weeks 287 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:49.879 leading up to the match. What does that look like? 288 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.000 Do you get together in the sportatorium and say we're 289 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:53.639 going to do this or are you just verbally talking 290 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:55.279 it out in the car? How does that go? 291 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:58.600 No, we were actually in the sportatorium and went over 292 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:05.120 stuff and walked through him pretty much. Uh, actually took 293 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.000 you know, bumps on some of them, you know, going 294 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.559 through some of the spots. I mean, uh, we did 295 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.759 some arm drags and you know, you know how many 296 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:17.600 people how many times have you seen Hulk Hogan arm drag? 297 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.960 But he could do that. I mean Terry was very, very, 298 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:28.399 very versatile, and he was a good athlete. I mean 299 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.159 vern Gania got mad at one time in the a 300 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:35.240 w A and I went to leg gut him, and 301 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:40.440 vern Gania, who owned a w A territory, is his son. 302 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.159 He went to leg dive him. I got so mad 303 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.000 at him, was going to stretch Terry, and Terry front 304 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:53.559 face locked him and vern started tapping right. Just you know, 305 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.080 a lot of people learned the hard way that not 306 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.440 a lot, but a few people learned the hard way that. 307 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:01.759 You know, Tory was a pretty tough guy if you 308 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.200 had to be. 309 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.279 When you went into the ring for that match, Brian, 310 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.440 what was the understanding as to what you guys would 311 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.640 have been doing when the fifteen minutes elapsed. Was it 312 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.799 a double down? Was it Terry hits you with a 313 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:12.759 big move and he's about to pin you and then 314 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:14.240 the time expires vice versa. 315 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.960 No, we were doing false finishes. We were trying to 316 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.240 end it, like you know, a Sunset flipped him. He 317 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.319 shot me, he reversed it. I went to shoot him 318 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.680 and he reversed it. I hit the ropes, came off 319 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:27.920 with this. You know, he bends over for a backdrop 320 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.839 like and I jump over him. Sunset flip him ron too. 321 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:35.240 He kicks out, jumps up small package on two two 322 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.079 and a half. You know, he kicks out, and we 323 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.079 were just doing false finishes. It was it was That's 324 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:43.839 why it was so difficult, you know, because here you're 325 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.480 doing all these false finishes. If it was just a 326 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.000 double down, a double knockout, we used to call it. 327 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:53.000 A double down is the modern term. But dang, it 328 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:56.079 would have been a hacking a lot easier. 329 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.839 But d have been laying there collecting your your breath 330 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.039 there for the next Now, did you have a finish 331 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.240 and did he have a finish. 332 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.079 At the time At the time neither one of us 333 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.039 had an actual finish, you know. I mean it's Terry's 334 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:15.359 first match or so, so he can't really establish a finish. 335 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:20.759 And I was still feeling my oats. 336 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:24.319 So what what do you remember doing in that extra time? Brian? 337 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.720 Was it just that unexpected fifteen extra minute? 338 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.240 Did you just redo the as you know wind? I 339 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:34.400 wound up with the sleeper on the sleeper. Then Steve 340 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:39.839 Kerran got on me about that, Steve Risco's old Steve Kurrn, 341 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.359 that I did his finishing. That he pretended like he 342 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.119 was mad at me. Oh gosh, it's like a constant 343 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.559 rib They never stopped. You never stopped ribbing. 344 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.799 Let me let me get that straight, Brian. Sorry, go ahead, Jim, No, no, 345 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.839 go ahead. If you get something on the sleeper, you're 346 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.319 saying you grabbed the sleeper because you're trying to figure 347 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:00.440 out what to do presumably for that fifteen more minutes, 348 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.480 and the sleeper at the time was Steve's finish. That's 349 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:03.160 what you're saying, Brian. 350 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:09.640 Yes, that's exactly, Jacob what I'm saying. Exactly. I even 351 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.559 went into the figure four and I actually screwed it up, 352 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:18.799 so he kicked me off the figure four and of 353 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.839 course I was Jack Briscoe's finished right there. 354 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:25.119 So you gave you gave a little bit back to 355 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.599 about that is that you gave it back to them too, 356 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.000 a little bit if you're gonna put me out here. 357 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.279 For that was Actually, you know, I'm not that smart 358 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.000 to think that I'm giving it back. I'm just trying 359 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.160 to think of things I think I can do. But 360 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:40.440 I think I can do that's amazing. 361 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:43.559 I just had a question. So so I know I've 362 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:43.839 heard this. 363 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:45.839 This is you know, not the first time I've we've 364 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.799 heard this before, but this idea that that you don't 365 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.680 find out that it's that it's work until you're on 366 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.160 your way out to the ring during your first match. Now, 367 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.240 I I've listen, I've been in the ring two times 368 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:02.839 with very very limited training, just more for for fun 369 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.319 to kind of learn and and just kind of and 370 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:09.480 and to to to see how it felt. And I 371 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:15.359 can't imagine even and now in today's world learning like saying, hey, 372 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.039 you know, you know learning as you're going out to 373 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:19.960 the ring that it's that it's a work. 374 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.519 I mean, how how did how do you do that? 375 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:26.319 How do also do you train for so long and 376 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.319 not you know, like I just I want to know 377 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:31.319 what it's like, what it was like for you to 378 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:34.559 to to finally understand that it was a work, and 379 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:38.200 how you didn't really know it was a work before 380 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:39.440 you went out to the ring that first time. 381 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.599 Well, out of over one hundred people that started in 382 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:50.440 the business and the Lancers in the three summers that 383 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.599 I was there three and a half summers, the only 384 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:54.720 three people that made it were Paul or and Orf, 385 00:20:54.759 --> 00:21:01.559 mister Wonderful Cogan Poachster, and myself. And at one time 386 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:04.200 I said to Orndorf, I said, look, Hero smartened me 387 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:08.400 up because we knew. I mean, you just had to 388 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.759 know that it was you know, that they were working. 389 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:13.920 But there was a little doubt there. I mean, you 390 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.079 didn't know if some of it was real, if you 391 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.720 know it was when you're around the boys enough and 392 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:22.599 then you see him talking and eventually you kind of 393 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:27.359 figure it out. But the Hero was so strict, you know, 394 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:31.119 and Eddie Graham and the people there that were training us, 395 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:36.079 they just believed in, you know, not smartening us up 396 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.920 until you know, they thought that we needed to because 397 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:40.480 they just as soon see you go out there on 398 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:45.599 amateur wrestle, which we did all the time constantly. So 399 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:53.519 I said, I said, Paul hero smartened me up yesterday. 400 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:55.960 He said, what, No, he didn't. He didn't believe it. 401 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.200