Speaker 1: A segment number two of The Ocel Effect Live Friday
Speaker 1: Night open Mic, and we got plenty of callers on
Speaker 1: the line still I think, let me double check. Yep,
Speaker 1: they're still there and more than happy to make it
Speaker 1: merrier with more three one nine five two seven five
Speaker 1: zero one six, be pete. Uh you're you're back with me, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, So anything you want to drop on the table
Speaker 1: before we uh, I don't know, try and add everybody
Speaker 1: in and see what happens when we do that, or
Speaker 1: what do you think what should we do next?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can go back. Well, see if he really
Speaker 3: wants to have any theater wants to be discussed.
Speaker 1: Up for loop. Sounds good to me. And like I said,
Speaker 1: if a new caller comes in, I'll jump them to
Speaker 1: the front of the line so to speak, you know,
Speaker 1: like if you call in now, I'll add you in
Speaker 1: right away. Uh and get get you know, let you
Speaker 1: get a turn at it, so to speak, right as
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Speaker 1: don't know how far we're going to go past. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll see how things go, and we'll see if
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Speaker 1: at nine forty seven almost nine forty eight pm Eastern
Speaker 1: on Friday the thirteenth, that is June thirteenth of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, then we're live. So there you go. So
Speaker 1: b Pete, I guess uh, in order we should grab
Speaker 1: JJ Jimmy James first, right, all right, So Jimmy, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want want to comment on stuff
Speaker 1: or you want to just hang and let me start
Speaker 1: pulling other people in up to you? Man, what says you? Well?
Speaker 4: I just wanted to comment on Danny's comments. Earlier, I
Speaker 4: was listening to a comedy podcast which had Dana Carvey
Speaker 4: and David Spade. They live in the outskirts of LA.
Speaker 4: Now Danny's four hundred miles north of LA. Now, mister
Speaker 4: Spade and mister Carvey have a hell of a lot
Speaker 4: better view than then. You want to hear from what's
Speaker 4: really going on? Okay, well, yes, they describe it. It's
Speaker 4: pretty watch what my eyes in ear see on Fox
Speaker 4: Live as they stream it, stream it all the time
Speaker 4: for the past weeks straight when it has been going on,
Speaker 4: and yeah, you're right, it is. It's strange that the
Speaker 4: riot didn't get out of control like ninety two. Why
Speaker 4: is that? Oh, that's right, because they knew, Trump said
Speaker 4: in the National Guard in the Marines and let them
Speaker 4: know they ain't gonna take that crap. And thank god
Speaker 4: that their sheriff isn't as big of an idiot as
Speaker 4: Karen Bass the communists, the former lover of Fidel Castro.
Speaker 4: Not a joke. Look it up in your Google machines, folks, that.
Speaker 5: Fine person.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, Danny, Danny had said his observation one thing.
Speaker 1: One thing though, real quick, Danna said his observation, so,
Speaker 1: y know, one second Mark. Danny's observation was about what
Speaker 1: do you call San Francisco, which is where he had
Speaker 1: been recently the past couple of days he had been
Speaker 1: near San Francisco, which he was saying, there was, you know,
Speaker 1: not much going on there, even though there was reports.
Speaker 4: Okay, but no, no, what's really going down. It's three
Speaker 4: hundred and forty six illegal aliens. What this is is
Speaker 4: the last stand of the illegal alience throwing a little
Speaker 4: fit with the help of the Democratic Party and a
Speaker 4: bunch of chinamen finding them, financing them, who are sick
Speaker 4: of this shit. There's one hundred and eighty organizations. Now
Speaker 4: they've been shown to be paying for this garbage. That's
Speaker 4: a criminal conspiracy and they need to be prosecuted. That's
Speaker 4: what the Democrat Party is, Danny, how about that. Don't
Speaker 4: you think it's time to start a real political party
Speaker 4: or just get rid of political parties? Because the Democrat Party,
Speaker 4: what exactly do they stand for?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I get it, you're against Trump, that's nice. What exactly
Speaker 4: saying policies do you people support?
Speaker 1: Well, there's that.
Speaker 4: No one's going to vote Democrat ever. Again. Guess what
Speaker 4: when you stay out loud that you don't know what
Speaker 4: a woman is, you're done. When you don't protect your citizens,
Speaker 4: you're done. There is no Democrat Party. Maybe you should
Speaker 4: think about starting something new with some intelligent people. Look
Speaker 4: at the people who run that thing, Maxine Waters, are
Speaker 4: you kidding me? Alc Bernie Sanders, morons couldn't pass. Oh anything.
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous. Callan Keller talking about Republicans.
Speaker 1: Are you crazy?
Speaker 4: These people couldn't even pass. Yeah, she's always talking about
Speaker 4: that Republicans.
Speaker 1: I thought Helen Keller, I thought you met the blind
Speaker 1: and deaf and a mute woman that you know, learned
Speaker 1: that you know the Miracle Worker movie was based on.
Speaker 1: I thought he was aid Ellen Keller. Sorry, no, I
Speaker 1: thought he was. Okay, you were the same thing. People
Speaker 1: people's I'm sorry. I thought you me and be Peter
Speaker 1: the same thing. We thought you said Helen Keller. Did
Speaker 1: you mean Helen Keller.
Speaker 4: Well, whoever the broad is you have on your show
Speaker 4: bung on the next people All Speak, He's got plenty.
Speaker 1: Of Maria Heller. No, no, that's not Helen Keller. You're
Speaker 1: talking about Maria Heller. I do a show. I do
Speaker 1: a show with her on her website mainly and we
Speaker 1: also put it online in the members section. But no,
Speaker 1: that's Maria Heller. Helen Keller is a deaf, dumb and
Speaker 1: blind lady that was famous in the movie The Miracle
Speaker 1: Worker and all that. You know, so well, that's.
Speaker 4: Why these death coming uh me. When it comes to politics, Okay.
Speaker 1: No, it's fine. I just was trying to clarify my my,
Speaker 1: my mistake.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Uh well, let's see who called next? Be Pete? Was it?
Speaker 1: It was spid Kent? Right, So we do we want
Speaker 1: to do the round table thing? I mean, Jimmy's hopped
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Do you want to do the
Speaker 1: round table thing? Or should we What should we do here?
Speaker 6: Well, we've got an open question from uh jim James
Speaker 6: to Bailey.
Speaker 3: So you want to bring Kenny in or open wallet?
Speaker 3: Let everybody reply?
Speaker 1: Well, you want me to grab Danny?
Speaker 3: Tell you?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, help me out here, man, cost help
Speaker 1: me make a decision here, because which way should we go?
Speaker 1: Should we grab Danny next? And see what he's got
Speaker 1: to say?
Speaker 3: Well, go to Danny?
Speaker 1: Yeah, got Danny.
Speaker 3: See if he's got a response to Jimmy James and
Speaker 3: then uh.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, okay, so that's how we're doing it. I'm
Speaker 1: letting the coast call it. Let's see what happens. So, uh, Danny,
Speaker 1: I think I've tagged your line open and you're you're
Speaker 1: on with me and be Pete and Jimmy James.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Well I know what a woman is
Speaker 2: trust me.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm glad you didn't.
Speaker 2: Those those essers are pios. Well, you know what I
Speaker 2: care about. I care about the children are said, people
Speaker 2: have Medicare, people have access to education, that there's infrastructure,
Speaker 2: there's a domestic policy. That's what I care about.
Speaker 1: Now, if you want to say the.
Speaker 2: Democratic Party leadership there, they're they're way more corporate and
Speaker 2: way more to the right of me that if you
Speaker 2: talk about the Republicans, I voted for Ronald Reagan twice
Speaker 2: and the reason why I quit the Republican Party in
Speaker 2: AD nineteen eighty six because their policies are basically top
Speaker 2: down and the downward don't get a damn thing. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you can sit there the Republican Party,
Speaker 2: their cruelty with a smile. In my opinion, tell me
Speaker 2: what policies that work for you to make your lives better.
Speaker 2: You got social Security, you got Medicare, you got Medicaid,
Speaker 2: you're actually helping people. I can go on. Lets you
Speaker 2: take those programs of help people.
Speaker 4: They have destroyed the black community, your precious welfare.
Speaker 2: And as far as social.
Speaker 4: Security and Medicare and Medicaid, we are on the brink
Speaker 4: of insolvency. Your children will be the slaves of your debt,
Speaker 4: yours mine. All of our debts are all going to
Speaker 4: your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren. Oh that's very kind,
Speaker 4: thanks a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, David Stockman, remember Reagan's budget, the budget budget
Speaker 2: for school Reagan.
Speaker 4: Why should I vote for Democrats? What's one policy you have.
Speaker 2: That is saying Jimmy, David Stockin's a Republican. He was
Speaker 2: the chief budget officer of the Reagan administration. He said
Speaker 2: his tax because we're going to inflate the deficit. I
Speaker 2: voted for Rob Reagan in nineteen eighty. He ran that
Speaker 2: he was going to slash the deficit. He damn near
Speaker 2: quadrupled it. And they continued to do the same thing.
Speaker 4: They go to, Oh gosh, we're going to pretend that
Speaker 4: that wasn't the Democrat Congress who was in charge for
Speaker 4: sixty damn years.
Speaker 2: Is that what we're going to do? You know, we're
Speaker 2: going to bring up Pal Reagan. Pal Reagan, let two
Speaker 2: million illegal.
Speaker 4: Aliens become citizens. Yeah, that's true. Because the Democrats lied
Speaker 4: and promised to build a border wall.
Speaker 2: That's all they do is lie.
Speaker 4: And I'm getting a little sick of it. And they're criminals,
Speaker 4: and they're all conspirators literally, and we're going to smash
Speaker 4: them into a million damn pieces.
Speaker 5: Lu trees and US cocksuckers.
Speaker 2: Oh excuse me, I'm not gonna call names.
Speaker 4: No, not you, the dns SEE and the CCP and
Speaker 4: whoever out the cartels.
Speaker 2: Who aren't they involved with? Oh there's been so money
Speaker 2: the Republicans are they're bought and sold. Come on, Oh, really,
Speaker 2: the whole party? While name one instance, demmy, have I
Speaker 2: come out here? My biggest complaint with the Democrat Party
Speaker 2: has been their leadership, failed leadership. I don't really have
Speaker 2: in the with the republic I don't even know what
Speaker 2: the Republican Party is now, don't. Well, let's see what
Speaker 2: they've done lately.
Speaker 5: They've enforced the border, they enforced.
Speaker 2: Law and order.
Speaker 4: They don't want our children being secretly molested at school.
Speaker 4: They believe in two sexes. Gee, they have a little
Speaker 4: bit of common SATs. They want tax cots for everyone,
Speaker 4: including the middle class. They just removed taxes from tips.
Speaker 4: They just removed taxes from wages for overtime that was
Speaker 4: in the build of age. You know that, Danny, that's
Speaker 4: going to do more than all that crap. You mentioned
Speaker 4: that the DNC did having more money that is going
Speaker 4: to be life changing for people not to have their
Speaker 4: overtime text.
Speaker 2: Well, how about Biden that he expanded overtime and it
Speaker 2: was a Trump judge to set it down. It was
Speaker 2: going to free up eight million people that are going
Speaker 2: to be eligible to overtime.
Speaker 4: I mean he's talking about.
Speaker 2: Biden. There was workers that were classified as what they
Speaker 2: were called is was contract workers or they were like
Speaker 2: salary workers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are contract workers. Aren't forcing those people to
Speaker 4: do those jobs? They do them by choice. I know
Speaker 4: I did one holem bank bags. I didn't expect squat
Speaker 4: beyond what I got in my agreement.
Speaker 2: Well, well that's what you accepted. But he was actually
Speaker 2: able to raise those wages for him and it was
Speaker 2: set down by a Republican judge.
Speaker 4: A Republican there's no such thing.
Speaker 2: We get.
Speaker 4: Judges aren't supposed to be part of political parties, and
Speaker 4: if they're going California, they aren't Republicans.
Speaker 2: Just because you get nominated by.
Speaker 4: A Republican doesn't mean you're a Republican. You get to
Speaker 4: have two thirds of the judges, But the Democrats get
Speaker 4: to choose one third or vice versa, and who depends
Speaker 4: on who wins the election. There's four thousand judges, DC judges,
Speaker 4: district court judges, appeals court judges. Every state gets three
Speaker 4: because it gets to choose two and then the two
Speaker 4: senators wreck Amen the third. Isn't that right?
Speaker 1: VP?
Speaker 3: You know, the one thing you can look at is
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. You know, you could just look there.
Speaker 3: Look at what we got John Roberts, Chief Justice. Everybody
Speaker 3: thought he was going to be the great white hold
Speaker 3: of Republicans, and turns out he's just as g a
Speaker 3: raffle as the rest of them. Look at any cony
Speaker 3: good she sided with, you know, the liberal side, and
Speaker 3: seven of these decisions.
Speaker 2: So you know that's the problem.
Speaker 6: You really think these people thinking, you know, everybody thought
Speaker 6: John Roberts is going to save the world. He's the
Speaker 6: one that put Obamacare out there by changing the argument
Speaker 6: in the middle of the.
Speaker 3: Room and then voting for it.
Speaker 7: Say well, where he's a good sexual marriage.
Speaker 4: Don't forget he legalized gay marriage.
Speaker 2: So look at it, so you.
Speaker 3: Know what good did it?
Speaker 8: Did it?
Speaker 3: Claim to be a Republican? Isn't looking towards conservative end
Speaker 3: of things. You gotta be careful what you do. Trump
Speaker 3: screwed up big time with that.
Speaker 1: Well in the Federalist Society the other side to begin with,
Speaker 1: I thought they had it down. Who didn't they?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they screwed it to you.
Speaker 4: And Trump has already said the other day he's done
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's I'm just talking about. Who got on
Speaker 1: the court during that first term. Is Federalist Society picks.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying that's who's there, right, I know.
Speaker 4: And Trump just said the other day they really screwed
Speaker 4: him over and he'll never listen to them again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He also thinks Vladimir Putin changed recently. But look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you guys both on hold, and uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put this aside because I kind of let
Speaker 1: those two go just talk for a minute, and that's
Speaker 1: the way it went. So let's give the spent cannon
Speaker 1: chance to get back on. And we also got Joe
Speaker 1: still waiting in the wings, and of course anybodybody else
Speaker 1: that wants to join, uh three one nine, five two
Speaker 1: seven five zero one six, And maybe we'll get back
Speaker 1: around everybody at some point here. But what do you
Speaker 1: think first we go over to uh yeah, to uh
Speaker 1: spend Kent, right me, Pete? Yeah, please do all right?
Speaker 1: Spin can't Well you heard part of the discussions here
Speaker 1: and all. I don't know if you want to add anything,
Speaker 1: but I throw the flour over to you, and if
Speaker 1: you want somebody to join you, let me know.
Speaker 5: By spinny shit sandwich churt soup shit, sandwich turd soup shit,
Speaker 5: sandwich turd soup. All right, anyways, but can't But can't
Speaker 5: I have dogshit?
Speaker 1: Can I have dog shit? You have cat shit? My
Speaker 1: dog shit is better than your cat shit. You know that.
Speaker 5: Mine has democratic barbecue sauce in it.
Speaker 1: But I have ketchup? Anyway, go ahead, now, wasn't it
Speaker 1: what's his name?
Speaker 5: The Democrat? Uh?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 5: Dumbass Kerry? He was married to the Iron School, So
Speaker 5: yeah he was.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking of.
Speaker 5: You said, I like his ketchup, but I don't like him.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly what I was thinking of, is that Kerry
Speaker 1: with the ketchup?
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, well, I say, it's been a while since
Speaker 4: I heard regular Joe.
Speaker 5: I much forgot about you, bro, It's been a minute.
Speaker 5: And if I'm not mistaken, isn't he He's not a statist, right,
Speaker 5: he's not a statist.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. I'll let regular Joe answer
Speaker 1: that for himself. Let's put him on with you. I
Speaker 1: think I think I just did that, Joe. Are you
Speaker 1: you hearing me right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can hear you all right. So there you go.
Speaker 1: You're on with Smith Kent a statist? Absolutely not?
Speaker 4: Then you know, you know what?
Speaker 7: You know what I am to the marrow of my bones, Yes,
Speaker 7: I'm a human fucking being, just like all the rest
Speaker 7: of these people are arguing over bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where that's me.
Speaker 5: I mean I remember you from the day man you
Speaker 5: were you saw like me. There's just understanding just being
Speaker 5: a human being, and you know, understanding freedom and different things,
Speaker 5: different philosophies. We don't have to have a system like
Speaker 5: we do. Uh, there's a better way of voluntary society.
Speaker 5: So wid separates this a just from whatever you want.
Speaker 7: To call you know, the the system doesn't give you freedom.
Speaker 7: The system will will sell you the illusion of freedom,
Speaker 7: and they'll sell you that illusion every time you go
Speaker 7: to the polls.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So if you want to be blue, be blue, you
Speaker 2: want to be red?
Speaker 1: Be red.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm just going to be Joe of choice.
Speaker 2: You because you know, you know why, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to be Joe. And this is this is going to
Speaker 2: sound snarky.
Speaker 7: And I kind of mean it to be because I
Speaker 7: don't want to sound all hateful like Jimmy James just did. Man,
Speaker 7: that was so much spew and and it was.
Speaker 2: Just so volatile.
Speaker 7: Why why be so passionate about people who would rather
Speaker 7: you are dead?
Speaker 2: And I don't care if they're wearing red or blue.
Speaker 2: They want you dead.
Speaker 5: Guy, Yeah, they don't care about us. I mean, you
Speaker 5: think about who they care about, the people that are
Speaker 5: given them money.
Speaker 2: That's right. And I don't have any money to give them.
Speaker 5: And if I did, pitching together or barely afford a
Speaker 5: twelve pack of beer right now and then, but you know,
Speaker 5: those guys are taking you know, tens of thousand, hundreds
Speaker 5: of thousands, to even millions of dollars from donors, billionaire
Speaker 5: donors that are telling these politicians, hey, at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, you work for us.
Speaker 2: Not them.
Speaker 5: And guess who them is us? And it's one big
Speaker 5: club and we ain't in it.
Speaker 1: We ain't in it.
Speaker 2: Brother George, Carlin love it. But that's the thing, that's
Speaker 2: the thing with me.
Speaker 7: Why get so passionate about this? I've heard people have
Speaker 7: the same passionate arguments about their favorite sports team or
Speaker 7: their favorite grassler, you know what I mean? And look,
Speaker 7: the guy that's running your country right now, let's not forget,
Speaker 7: is in the w W Hall of Fame, folks.
Speaker 5: He's a he's had a stone cold stunner.
Speaker 2: Why get everybody in that way out.
Speaker 5: At a stone cold stunner? You know what what these
Speaker 5: politics really change for you?
Speaker 1: It's nothing? You know what? You reminded me?
Speaker 2: Can you?
Speaker 1: Can? You reminded me of something? And uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do something unusual here and play part of a song
Speaker 1: real fast while I keep both of you guys on
Speaker 1: the line so you can hear it. And uh, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to play the whole thing, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to play part of it because a phrase jumped out
Speaker 1: at me that that you just used, so uh, illusion
Speaker 1: of choice. And the guy who wrote the Olli Effect,
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote the Ocelli Effect theme music, the
Speaker 1: actual theme music, his name is Renegade Smith, and Renegade
Speaker 1: Smith wrote a song called.
Speaker 8: Illusion of Politicians this is the best we can do, folks.
Speaker 8: This is what we have to offer. It's what our
Speaker 8: system produces. Garbage in, garbage out.
Speaker 5: When won't you weapon learn how pity more time?
Speaker 4: Won't you get fun?
Speaker 5: Don't pele full find a suit and tie.
Speaker 8: They don't follow missions all things so it is live
Speaker 8: do big.
Speaker 6: Fun out coverage single American what I think the South?
Speaker 1: No, thank you, never do the fine.
Speaker 2: Thank you see the truth.
Speaker 5: They play the trust hope the thing.
Speaker 2: It's lo fum.
Speaker 8: Candidates to the mama said run the car that keeps
Speaker 8: her campaign side of the punk yard said.
Speaker 5: The said he couldn't freak make a pop.
Speaker 4: De sense, but you other said some of them he cleans.
Speaker 1: You peak pH the person in the church he got
Speaker 1: showing a taxi layers, dropped out seat pop off not
Speaker 1: flang Welcome to.
Speaker 2: The U west side, taking.
Speaker 5: Off the raps.
Speaker 2: See y'all would jumped down and gone's fork the fo
Speaker 2: hand out.
Speaker 1: Many people don't pay what the things to free free boy,
Speaker 1: don't want to see it on the TV.
Speaker 6: They sides, Y're on time, don't copying sen on the swords,
Speaker 6: cleanse out, not see pumped off got flag.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the your west side, lay us out some
Speaker 5: big pop off that flag.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's a piece of that song. Uh hey, spen Cat,
Speaker 1: is Renegade stuff still available like on iTunes and whatnot?
Speaker 1: Or is it still out there for sale or what.
Speaker 5: I would assume.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I did talk to him like a year ago.
Speaker 5: He called in to the Bottom of the Feet show,
Speaker 5: talked to me and lean and it's been it's been
Speaker 5: years since I talked to him. You know, I was
Speaker 5: just good tack of a musician meet him. We meet him,
Speaker 5: but he sometimes they were like like back in the day,
Speaker 5: he was like kind of a flat earth and a
Speaker 5: lot of different stuff. And but he does get the
Speaker 5: whole political thing, you know, he gets the part that
Speaker 5: like that we were just talking about understanding politics and
Speaker 5: you know, you can't trust these people and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: He's there on that. It's just sometimes I think he's
Speaker 5: strays into the the craziness sometimes. But uh, but that's
Speaker 5: just just just me and him. You know, we've always
Speaker 5: had our little disagreements.
Speaker 8: But you know he's a cool dude.
Speaker 5: He called in last year and uh, very very very
Speaker 5: talented m A J.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I just but look, I just want to
Speaker 1: play part of his song because you've just used the phrase,
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, you know, I have that
Speaker 1: song in here somewhere and I just grabbed it and
Speaker 1: played it. So there you go.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, yeah, so reality. Yeah, so anyway you
Speaker 5: went to reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back back to your was that? What was that? Joe? Sorry?
Speaker 10: I said, I'm glad you went musical with it.
Speaker 2: It reminds me I sent the song to your messenger a.
Speaker 9: While back by a singer that's gaining some notoriety named
Speaker 9: Jesse Wells.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of him?
Speaker 1: Uh, I've heard the name. I don't remember you sending
Speaker 1: me that song. Send it again, though, because I don't
Speaker 1: you know what. You might have sent it to the
Speaker 1: old account because I got locked out of my old Facebook.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure I sent it to the new one.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: But Jesse Wells is the name of the song is
Speaker 7: called Red and he busts on j d Vance and
Speaker 7: it's veiled, but he was talking about bootstrap tugging, technocratic buddy.
Speaker 7: He wrote an elegy for a people he don't know,
Speaker 7: and it ain't funny.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I heard that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty cool song. It's called Red and
Speaker 2: then Illusion of Choice.
Speaker 1: I love that song.
Speaker 7: I remember that back when you first started streaming that
Speaker 7: and from Renegade Smith. I absolutely love that song and
Speaker 7: it reminds me of.
Speaker 2: Lyrics from Stone Sour.
Speaker 7: Have you ever heard the song Choose by Stone Tower?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the part of that song where he says
Speaker 7: behind the door, you have two choices, but you don't
Speaker 7: get to choose. You can survive or you can die.
Speaker 2: Either way you lose.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, what it is.
Speaker 5: There's hole hit, folks.
Speaker 7: That's what it's for us, to keep us arguing with
Speaker 7: each other while you know they keep going to the bank.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jimmy hung up, But but I do have the
Speaker 2: standwich or the soup.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, you've got species on
Speaker 5: your breath.
Speaker 1: There you go. Look like I said, Jimmy hung up,
Speaker 1: But I still got Danny on hold. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: drop Danny back into this conversation. Let the three you
Speaker 1: just chat a bit if you don't mind, and you know,
Speaker 1: we'll just let it roll. And again, anybody else wants
Speaker 1: to join in three one nine, five, two seven five
Speaker 1: zero one six. Uh, it's uh oh, look at that
Speaker 1: twelve minutes past ten. Uh so we are into the
Speaker 1: after hours portion of the show, kind of sort.
Speaker 5: Where's Aaron and Uncle. I'm kind of like just showing
Speaker 5: up tonight, So I didn't know what happened or if
Speaker 5: they're coming in later or what's going on with Aaron
Speaker 5: and Uncle.
Speaker 1: It looks like tonight they're not going to be on uh,
Speaker 1: but they'll be back next week. It just uh, I
Speaker 1: think he had to go out to Landers uh for
Speaker 1: some reason. So uh so, yeah, no Aaron Uncle tonight.
Speaker 1: So we'll just run a little lover.
Speaker 5: Got a call, You oughta call, or youatta text him
Speaker 5: and say call into the round table.
Speaker 4: We can do a round table.
Speaker 5: They call in anyway, Well I already said happy thinking
Speaker 5: on my part, but a sorry Chuck, no no problem.
Speaker 1: I sent him. I sent him a message on X
Speaker 1: and told him he should call in. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't know if he saw
Speaker 1: it or whatever. You know, sometimes he's busy with the
Speaker 1: family out there, and it's only if it's ten o'clock here,
Speaker 1: it's seven pm for him. He might be having dinner.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Yeah, it's dinner time.
Speaker 1: We were there for sure, So anyway, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. But all of you, let's see regular Joe,
Speaker 1: Danny from California, and spent Canner all on the line
Speaker 1: at the same time. So there you go. I'll just
Speaker 1: step back. But like I said, anybody wants to join
Speaker 1: three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six. Also,
Speaker 1: Be Pete's been kind of quiet throughout this mostly, you know,
Speaker 1: Be Pete. I don't know, man, what can I say?
Speaker 1: I just I have a different attitude about a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But I'm just letting these guys roll
Speaker 1: with it tonight. What do you think, Well, roll it's people.
Speaker 2: Let them roll with it.
Speaker 3: Get the perspective out there. But you know, I'm like you,
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of fed up with all of it, Bob,
Speaker 3: waiting for something to happen, to get some of this
Speaker 3: crop off the headline.
Speaker 1: That's why I'd really like if anybody wants to read
Speaker 1: an article, I definitely put up something quite unique on
Speaker 1: the front page at Ochelli dot Com. So it's a
Speaker 1: part of the Weekly Reader series which comes out now.
Speaker 1: And what did I title the thing? Creative Writing and
Speaker 1: co Intel Pro twenty twenty five Poetry in Motion Capture
Speaker 1: generation X. Anyway, here we are a question though.
Speaker 3: Just recently they released what was a thousand documents on RFK.
Speaker 3: Have you heard anything any big finds or anything going
Speaker 3: out of that.
Speaker 1: Well, I've started going through some of it. I'm not done,
Speaker 1: but some of it's just some memos communicating stuff about
Speaker 1: the local investigation. There's things that people like myself who
Speaker 1: did do deep research, had our hands on some years ago,
Speaker 1: but I don't think was available to a lot of
Speaker 1: the people in the country unless they went out of
Speaker 1: their way go get it. The autopsy photos are now
Speaker 1: in that collection at the National Archives. But yeah, good, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I thought somebody was trying to say something, but they
Speaker 1: added rf autopsy photos. That's new to me and was
Speaker 1: very hard to get hold of. Only a handful of
Speaker 1: people I ever knew ever saw those before. But the
Speaker 1: majority of what I've seen thus far, outside of a
Speaker 1: couple of communication memos at the federal level, is nothing
Speaker 1: new if you were a deep dive researcher into this
Speaker 1: stuff in the nineties, even but I don't think it
Speaker 1: was available to people. It definitely wasn't made available online
Speaker 1: very much. I mean, Mary Ferrell has a collection and
Speaker 1: I bet that a lot of it is duplicated from
Speaker 1: there one way or another so far, but there may
Speaker 1: be things in there I haven't seen yet. I am
Speaker 1: not done with my my look see my read through
Speaker 1: if you will. So that's what I know so far.
Speaker 1: And they just released I think yesterday a pile of stuff.
Speaker 1: But there's been three releases this year, I think on
Speaker 1: the RFK so far. Nothing on MLK really yet. But
Speaker 1: RFK we got three three different document dumps, and I
Speaker 1: think there was like a thousand PDFs yesterday maybe, so
Speaker 1: I'm not done going through them. That's the short answer.
Speaker 1: B Pete. Sorry, Hey, is everybody with me? I put
Speaker 1: you guys to sleep with that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm listening.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 2: First of all, Kent, my condolences with your father. Sounds
Speaker 2: like you had a great, great life.
Speaker 5: And thank you.
Speaker 2: You're welcome here. And and Joe, it's good to hear
Speaker 2: your voice. And sorry Jimmy left. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people will not agree with me. I'm used to
Speaker 2: it said. I only wish the best for you and
Speaker 2: I want you to thrive so and solve it at that,
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic. I believe we can have a better future
Speaker 2: if we just just kind of have the right get
Speaker 2: the right things going.
Speaker 5: Well, that's definitely the attitude people need to start thinking,
Speaker 5: you know, like, hey, let's let's try to do something better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, start with ourselves.
Speaker 2: It's really what really, what I want? Really what I want.
Speaker 2: That's sort of the place I'm coming from. I've just
Speaker 2: been at it a long time, you know, and I
Speaker 2: don't expect expect people to group and it's had, you know,
Speaker 2: So I'm fine with with Jimmy there.
Speaker 1: I hear you. And you know another thing about these
Speaker 1: file releases and everything. Look, we're going to have issues
Speaker 1: here because the people that are in charge of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I do mean everybody at NARRA all the way
Speaker 1: to Telsey Gabbard don't know what the hell they're actually
Speaker 1: looking for or looking at when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean even recently she admitted publicly that she's using
Speaker 1: AI programs to ask it what she should be looking for. Okay, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2: But sorry to interrupt, but they just thought of something.
Speaker 2: I did hear some testimony and it was a very
Speaker 2: young physician that was in the the Dallas room with Kennedy,
Speaker 2: and he was pretty much what I heard him saying.
Speaker 2: He said it was pretty much he felt the forensics
Speaker 2: that was the front shot. I was that correctly. He
Speaker 2: was pretty adamant. I mean I didn't watch the but
Speaker 2: I heard the clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh no, I watched that whole thing, and yes,
Speaker 1: that physician believes that I would temper that presentation that
Speaker 1: he gave because look, the reality is, they asked those
Speaker 1: people there. They should have been asking him about what
Speaker 1: they personally witnessed and personally knew that guy. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying and he's wrong, but he goes into a whole
Speaker 1: thing where you know, now he's describing things and giving
Speaker 1: his theory on what happened based on what he saw.
Speaker 1: I guess, but that's not really I would not accept
Speaker 1: that personally, because I would accept his observations directly about
Speaker 1: what he saw, what he experienced in trauma room one.
Speaker 1: And by the way, there were many positions that were
Speaker 1: involved in that and his testimony about the life saving
Speaker 1: efforts and all that. This is recording JFK, mind you,
Speaker 1: but BP had asked about RFK, the JFK stuff you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Though. Now you have a guy who is
Speaker 1: a doctor, though, who's giving you forensic explanations and things
Speaker 1: that do require some knowledge of ballistics and everything else
Speaker 1: that he's tying into his personal theory. And that becomes
Speaker 1: a problem when some of these people are interviewed a
Speaker 1: few times. Is now they're trying to give you their
Speaker 1: solution to the case, as opposed to giving you testimony
Speaker 1: about what it is they have personal knowledge and expertise about.
Speaker 1: And so therefore I temper what it is you heard
Speaker 1: from that guy in my mind with that idea, this
Speaker 1: is a guy giving explanations that require a few different disciplines.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, he was a doctor and at the time
Speaker 1: was like a doctor in training because Parkland Hospital was
Speaker 1: a training hospital. He was a young guy in training,
Speaker 1: not yet a doctor at that time, but was involved.
Speaker 1: And I've spoken to more than one of those people
Speaker 1: that worked in that hospital. The best one was Bob McClellan.
Speaker 1: Was the best guy who gave me the most information.
Speaker 1: And there was a guy who if you spoke to
Speaker 1: him and you asked him the right questions, he very
Speaker 1: much would stick to what he personally knew and observed.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times, whether it's this guy or
Speaker 1: an X ray technician, or somebody was a driver or
Speaker 1: a secret service agent or anybody who was in proximity
Speaker 1: to this case. A lot of times, you know, their expertise,
Speaker 1: their direct involvement, their witness in history is contaminated a
Speaker 1: lot of times by now they're presenting to you their solution,
Speaker 1: their theory. Now at the same time, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that I'm satisfied that there was at least one shot
Speaker 1: from the front, but not based on his testimony. And
Speaker 1: I would not put a lot of stock into that
Speaker 1: because this is a yeah, because this is a guy
Speaker 1: who it's sort of like a cop. Think of it
Speaker 1: this way, like if there's a cop who was in
Speaker 1: on the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, he could tell
Speaker 1: you all about that, but if he didn't conduct an
Speaker 1: investigation and go into his background and everything else, and
Speaker 1: then he's telling you about his background, his previous experience,
Speaker 1: he defected to the Soviet Union and everything else. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's a guy like McDonald who literally did participate in
Speaker 1: the direct arrest of Oswald in the movie Theater. I
Speaker 1: don't take a lot of this other stuff about his
Speaker 1: background very seriously. This is like a beat cop, not
Speaker 1: an investigator. So he's got as much of an investigative
Speaker 1: chance as anybody else, except again, he's a cop. He
Speaker 1: might be good at observing things. He might be you know,
Speaker 1: fully adequate and you know, be completely up to speed
Speaker 1: regarding his job. But his job was to be a cop,
Speaker 1: and his experience and his part of history he witnessed
Speaker 1: is not all about Oswald's background. You know. That's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that he did research on later. And
Speaker 1: these are the things you got to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: And that's why I brought up Tulca Gabbert, who is
Speaker 1: you know right now, she's the head, you know, the
Speaker 1: head for intelligence there, but she's somebody who is not
Speaker 1: familiar enough with these files to even know what to
Speaker 1: look for. So she's practically asking, you know, chat GP
Speaker 1: what she should be looking for. Regarding the Kennedy files,
Speaker 1: she admitted that it's not like I'm trying to bash
Speaker 1: her over it. I'm saying that the majority of people
Speaker 1: in government, unless they have had experience going through this stuff,
Speaker 1: are familiar with the case, are familiar with the facts,
Speaker 1: are familiar with things that have been revealed, have been investigated,
Speaker 1: have not been investigated, etc. Etc. They stand virtually no
Speaker 1: chance of navigating and getting to Oh, they're going to
Speaker 1: find all the bombshells. They're going to dig up all
Speaker 1: the dirt. If they don't know where the dirt is,
Speaker 1: how are they going to know even where to dig? So,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to temper what you're seeing coming
Speaker 1: out of these things with that understanding, that expectation, and
Speaker 1: that idea about what's realistically being presented. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: know it's a sober point of view to have, and
Speaker 1: some people say, oh, you're just being political about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not. This is an objective point of view here.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you You've got to be realistic about the source,
Speaker 1: the level of experience and the expertise of the people
Speaker 1: that are now involved in the circumstance. That's why I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, all angry with Luna and everybody else who's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they didn't do a good job, they didn't do this.
Speaker 1: I'm a little irritated with the jerks who's decided to
Speaker 1: politically grandstand during that hearing. And by the way, it
Speaker 1: came from both sides, because you know, the Republican we
Speaker 1: need to kiss Trump's ass. We need to kiss Trump's
Speaker 1: ass because he brought this into he made this happen
Speaker 1: kissed Trump's ass, and then the other side is going, oh,
Speaker 1: but you know, we're the Democrats and we're gonna whind
Speaker 1: about Trump here and bah bah bah. And meanwhile, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be there for the purposes of disclosure and
Speaker 1: making some progress about putting into the hands of the
Speaker 1: American public the evidence that you know, if you believe
Speaker 1: your taxpayer's pay your tax dollars pay for this stuff,
Speaker 1: guess what you paid for it. You own it, it's yours,
Speaker 1: it should belong to you, and it's all also your history.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's a little different than trying to
Speaker 1: make a political you know, a point score, you know
Speaker 1: there on TV because you have the opportunity and let
Speaker 1: me score points on my opponents. It's not about your
Speaker 1: opponents and Democrats and Republicans of today. It's about history,
Speaker 1: and it's about getting to the bottom of something that
Speaker 1: was not properly investigated in the first place and has
Speaker 1: been undeniably covered up by the government that you people
Speaker 1: work for ever after. So you know, they need to
Speaker 1: get some focus and not be sitting there trying to
Speaker 1: score political points on c SPAN and get down to
Speaker 1: the business of getting it done. And part of that
Speaker 1: is letting a guy like that doctor run on about
Speaker 1: his theory and his thesis that he's come up with
Speaker 1: instead of just talking to him about Listen, what did
Speaker 1: you know? What did you see?
Speaker 2: What did you do?
Speaker 1: Where is your witness to history statement that we need
Speaker 1: to put on the record, you know? And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit eh. You know, it's like, I see,
Speaker 1: it's a good thing that the guy got to testify.
Speaker 1: It was good that Abraham Bolden got to testify despite
Speaker 1: the audio issues. It's good that we heard from Morley
Speaker 1: and Roger Stone before that. And I'm making a joke
Speaker 1: there because it was Oliver Stone and Bobert turned around
Speaker 1: and couldn't figure out the difference between Roger and Oliver
Speaker 1: Stone because she was trying to score political points too.
Speaker 1: But even if you take Tulcy Gabbertt at face value
Speaker 1: and you think that her intentions are all absolutely on
Speaker 1: the up and up, here's the thing. She doesn't possess
Speaker 1: the knowledge required to even dig into this and know
Speaker 1: what she should be looking for. So, you know, the
Speaker 1: people that got outraged, why is she asking Ai where
Speaker 1: to find stuff? Because she's got to ask somebody and
Speaker 1: they're not reaching out to people who actually have knowledge
Speaker 1: on the case except for Morley a little bit, and
Speaker 1: that's it. They're only going to like him and you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of other approved individuals who have a high profile,
Speaker 1: and really they need to dig a little deeper if
Speaker 1: they actually want to get something done. Now, if this
Speaker 1: is just meant to score political points and make the
Speaker 1: Trump administration look good, probably mission's been accomplished, which means
Speaker 1: we're not going to see much more else than we
Speaker 1: already have. And maybe with a little luck, we'll get
Speaker 1: a little bit out of the King thing, because that's
Speaker 1: still not been done. But RFK, if you were a
Speaker 1: deep researcher and you had dug into the you know,
Speaker 1: the actual archives in California already, if you'd been to
Speaker 1: Sacramento and gone through that stuff, if you had actually,
Speaker 1: you know, done Foyer requests before for the legitimate material,
Speaker 1: you would have seen ninety percent of what's been released
Speaker 1: outside of those autopsy files. Be pete, that's the only
Speaker 1: new thing thus far. And if you men communications from
Speaker 1: the federal government about you know, hey, what about the
Speaker 1: involvement of people that were maybe connected to this? Should
Speaker 1: we talk to LA. Does LA need federal assistance with
Speaker 1: their investigation, because remember it was the Los Angeles Police
Speaker 1: Department that handled it. It was their detectives Special units, Senator,
Speaker 1: you know, that actually did this, and they're the people
Speaker 1: who conducted the investigation in the first day. Place. Now
Speaker 1: we have some CIA communications about a couple of things,
Speaker 1: but it's not really earth shattering or stuff that wasn't
Speaker 1: known before. So no smoking guns and really nothing smoking
Speaker 1: at all so far out of the file dumps that
Speaker 1: I've seen. Maybe I've missed some things, but I'm not
Speaker 1: done going through it. So there you go, complete answer
Speaker 1: and also an answer to what you asked, Danny. But
Speaker 1: it is remarkable, but it's you know, again, it's like
Speaker 1: the hyperbolic truth, right, people that want to sell rated
Speaker 1: as if oh my god, it's an earth shattering disclosure. Wrong,
Speaker 1: it's also not, oh my god, it's another bunch of
Speaker 1: conspiracy crap that they're putting out there to distract us
Speaker 1: because of the Epstein files. No, it's really not. It's
Speaker 1: just it's a lack of knowledge and a lack of
Speaker 1: experience that is steering things to not get done as
Speaker 1: well as they could.
Speaker 2: Be, right, you know, I asked another question about that.
Speaker 2: Sure there are there any of the doctors or any
Speaker 2: previous that collaborate what he was testifying about besides all
Speaker 2: his his adding, you know his, you know his over
Speaker 2: the overarching question.
Speaker 1: You know, there have been there have been various doctors
Speaker 1: who were at Parkland who have given oral histories and testimonies.
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of documentaries out there if you
Speaker 1: want a list of them where you can get a
Speaker 1: good idea of a bunch of what those doctors saw
Speaker 1: and her and some of the older ones, some of
Speaker 1: the ones that have now passed away. William Law did
Speaker 1: did a great DVD or Blu Ray I should say
Speaker 1: Blu Ray called the Gathering where he brought together a
Speaker 1: bunch of medical witnesses including X ray technicians from Bethesda
Speaker 1: and all kinds of people and some of the doctors
Speaker 1: from Parkland all together to have a meeting and discuss it.
Speaker 1: There was a recent documentary on Paramount, you know, the
Speaker 1: Paramount plus platform, and it's something like JFK What the
Speaker 1: Doctors Saw, which is yet another group of doctors telling
Speaker 1: you about what they saw in Parkland that day. And
Speaker 1: in addition, there you go and In addition, there was
Speaker 1: a videotape in like nineteen eighty one or eighty two,
Speaker 1: I think, put out by David Lifton, which was titled
Speaker 1: just like his book, called Best Evidence. And there are
Speaker 1: many doctors on there, along with some other wit. It
Speaker 1: says some of the nurses, Audrey Bell, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: you can get a lot of what they had to say, uh,
Speaker 1: presented to you that way. And some of this stuff
Speaker 1: is also available on YouTube. But the new documentary on
Speaker 1: Paramount not yet. And that other one, the William William
Speaker 1: Law thing, I think part of it's up on YouTube.
Speaker 1: But very few of us bought any of the d
Speaker 1: v of the Blu Rays. Excuse me that that came out.
Speaker 1: I have one, but I know like almost nobody else
Speaker 1: that owns one. But anyway, it's but there is information
Speaker 1: and interviews out there that have been conducted by people,
Speaker 1: and they are interesting. Doctor Carrico again, the guy that
Speaker 1: that I spoke to, Bob McClellan. There's uh what Pepper,
Speaker 1: Dear God be Pete help me out with some of
Speaker 1: these doctor names, Uh, Pepper Jenkins, right, Nurse Audrey Bell,
Speaker 1: these people, a lot of them you could look up
Speaker 1: up on YouTube and they've given oral histories. And here's
Speaker 1: another weird thing. Some of them gave oral histories to
Speaker 1: the sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, Texas. And sometimes you
Speaker 1: can get just a kind of unfettered oral history from
Speaker 1: some of these people, uh there, and they sell some
Speaker 1: of those things on DV Day and some of them
Speaker 1: are displayed at the six Floor Museum if you ever go.
Speaker 11: I've been to the sixth Floor Museum. I spent several
Speaker 11: hours in there. Don't I didn't buy anything, and I
Speaker 11: didn't I didn't know anything was available. So if I
Speaker 11: go to Dallas again, I'll.
Speaker 2: Check it out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The hint is the bookstore. They have a bookstore down
Speaker 1: on a lower floor, and they have a whole other
Speaker 1: one across the Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's who I bought my tickets. That's why I bought
Speaker 2: my tickets. And then I was able. I got up
Speaker 2: there and there was a line in there, and I
Speaker 2: the line because I had my ticket already bought.
Speaker 1: I just kind of like hit it right right, and
Speaker 1: there's a and the other thing is across the street,
Speaker 1: and what they call the Dall Tax Building is another bookstore.
Speaker 1: So they have like, yeah, they have like two bookstores
Speaker 1: right there in the plaza and they have a variety
Speaker 1: of books and JFK related all kinds of stuff about
Speaker 1: his presidency, about the assassination, about Dallas, so on. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, I'm in love with
Speaker 1: the place because it is the you know, the low
Speaker 1: Nut Theory museum. But you know, information is good and
Speaker 1: the bookstore is stocked, you know, so UH got to
Speaker 1: be honest. Anyway, I'm sorry. I probably bored spent Kent
Speaker 1: and regular Joe to death here telling them this stuff.
Speaker 5: But listen, I just like, you know, that's just one
Speaker 5: of the dots connected through the bigger thing that's actually
Speaker 5: going on, from the powers that be and everything. That's
Speaker 5: just one of the very important dots you know when
Speaker 5: you connect them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just so happens. It's one of those
Speaker 1: areas that I spent a lot of time on. But
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would do to you or like any type
Speaker 5: of you know, understanding of what happened. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't have the facts, but guess what I say this,
Speaker 5: I don't believe the official story. Nope, you just like
Speaker 5: nine to eleven, I don't believe.
Speaker 4: The official story.
Speaker 5: There's somethings. They are always going on, all of these
Speaker 5: guys and they're you know, they're smart, they're smart, and
Speaker 5: they can get away with stuff, and they have and
Speaker 5: we've investigated ourselves and we find ourselves not guilty, you know.
Speaker 5: And it's and it's the people just saying, oh, there's
Speaker 5: nothing we can do about it. We got That's that's
Speaker 5: how they get away with it. And it goes back
Speaker 5: to the philosophy of what me and like regular Joe
Speaker 5: understand is the belief that they there's some authority over
Speaker 5: you that you have to do. This stuff is actually fake.
Speaker 5: It's not real, but it's in your own minds. If
Speaker 5: you step outside the box, break the box, fist on it,
Speaker 5: set it on fire, fists on it again. You start
Speaker 5: looking around, you'll feel good and happy, and you know
Speaker 5: there's people there waiting for you.
Speaker 2: Oh why, like me and Joe, there you go, uh
Speaker 2: And I put the argue that.
Speaker 5: The criminals, so I'll go ahead, go ahead, whoever.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just want to let I just want
Speaker 1: to let this be known really really fast. Here is
Speaker 1: that I put a link in the chatroom, thelive chatroom
Speaker 1: Atochelli dot com if you want to look at the
Speaker 1: r f K file releases from this year. I put
Speaker 1: the the dot gov link in the room there. If
Speaker 1: you want to go. You can download the PDFs and
Speaker 1: the files yourself straight from there if you like. I
Speaker 1: urge everybody to do your own research. If you are
Speaker 1: so inclined anyway, Sorry, go ahead, Joe, Yeah, what can't
Speaker 1: just said?
Speaker 7: Was profound?
Speaker 3: That that that test me, that that really did.
Speaker 7: There there are people there.
Speaker 9: Waiting for you, and and there are uh, there are
Speaker 9: your people are there and hopefully hopefully they have become
Speaker 9: real people instead of just you know, going along with
Speaker 9: talking points, asking your own questions, instead of just being
Speaker 9: fed the answers all the time.
Speaker 1: And there are not too many of them living making Georgia.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I'm still trying to move
Speaker 1: somewhere where, like I got one or two people local
Speaker 1: to me that you know, are like my people, because
Speaker 1: I need to move somewhere like that didn't move the
Speaker 1: family there, But I can't seem to find a good
Speaker 1: landing spot that I can afford. And uh, I'll never
Speaker 1: be able to live in Jersey again. It's it's way
Speaker 1: way out of my freaking unless I somehow come across
Speaker 1: a great, great job somewhere, which, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: accepting offers, so you know, email me if you've got
Speaker 1: a great job for me or a good cheap place
Speaker 1: to live, let me know. And a blind JFPA researcher
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. I am accepting offers. Thank you anyway,
Speaker 1: So what else is? Is there anything else on your
Speaker 1: guys mind? So you want to continue on about finding
Speaker 1: your people for a couple of.
Speaker 10: Minutes, Well, if I may, I'm like to extend a
Speaker 10: figby to Jimmy James, because I know I was rough
Speaker 10: on him, but I just simply cannot understand.
Speaker 7: The passion about people who want us all dead. I mean,
Speaker 7: I can't understand that. Why why be so passionate and
Speaker 7: attack somebody that might just be your brother.
Speaker 1: For people that just don't give a damn Why?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I indubiably listening, I hear you.
Speaker 1: But in defense of Jimmy James, honestly, and I know
Speaker 1: this is going to sound strange coming from me, but
Speaker 1: in defensive.
Speaker 2: Big Leaf, I meant olive branch Bran, I know.
Speaker 1: That we're not looking to cover up his crash with
Speaker 1: a leaf. I got you. You you want to give
Speaker 1: the olive branch, I get it. But the point is Joe,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate it that he gets so angry
Speaker 1: because he has a right to his anger, because he
Speaker 1: feels screwed over, just like all of us did at
Speaker 1: certain points here where you know, we grew up with
Speaker 1: an idea. Somebody gave us an idea about this country,
Speaker 1: what it was going to offer us, what it offered everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, and I got it pounded into my head
Speaker 1: because I'm only a second generation, you know, born here,
Speaker 1: and Italian immigrants are probably the most freaking insanely like
Speaker 1: they were Maga before it was Maga America. You better
Speaker 1: not say a bad word about it, because this great
Speaker 1: country offered us, you know, safety, opportunity, everything, Everything is
Speaker 1: handed to you in America. It is such a great place.
Speaker 1: And I also got some Irish you know immigrants there
Speaker 1: also only two generations away, so they came from somewhere
Speaker 1: else where. They didn't feel welcome anymore in their own land.
Speaker 1: And this country is this beacon of shining light to
Speaker 1: my grandparents, you know what I mean. It is an
Speaker 1: amazing place. And yeah, I got some relatives that maybe
Speaker 1: you know, went into different businesses and such before that.
Speaker 1: But the regular working guys among my family line are like,
Speaker 1: you know, they serve. Every generation served in the military.
Speaker 1: Multiple guys volunteered or you know, nobody had to be drafted.
Speaker 1: Everybody volunteered, and ever since we got here, they made
Speaker 1: sure to do that because they owe it to the
Speaker 1: great opportunity, the safety, the goodness that was given to
Speaker 1: their families. In their minds, they are of heart, seriously
Speaker 1: patriotic people and they tell you this is the greatest
Speaker 1: place in the world. You got to understand that. And
Speaker 1: they will not tolerate somebody telling them otherwise. And the
Speaker 1: reason is because they truly believe it. And when you
Speaker 1: experience something different from what it is that they said,
Speaker 1: and you start getting kicked around. And Jimmy did serve
Speaker 1: his country too, he was in the military. I don't
Speaker 1: know the details of it, but a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who have served and then they get the reality check
Speaker 1: that they didn't expect from the circumstance and they find
Speaker 1: out certain things, they feel screwed. They look for somebody
Speaker 1: to blame, and you know what, in a way I
Speaker 1: can see exactly how it is. He sees that it's
Speaker 1: the liberals to blame for destroying because to his mind,
Speaker 1: they're the people that wrecked it. They're the people who
Speaker 1: have made it, you know, all anything but that thing
Speaker 1: that it should have could have would have been. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the total of his emotions, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's part of the psychology there, and he's
Speaker 1: got a right to his anger because he feels, guess what,
Speaker 1: lied to and betrayed, and a lot of us feel
Speaker 1: that way. I feel that way, and I wasn't serve
Speaker 1: in the military, and a lot of military guys I've
Speaker 1: known have felt that way. And frankly, again, I know
Speaker 1: this is me taking away too personal, but you know,
Speaker 1: my father absolutely felt that way, that he was completely betrayed,
Speaker 1: and he was all about, you know, I'm there to
Speaker 1: serve a good purpose and I'm doing the right thing
Speaker 1: because communism is this evil. He thought he was fighting
Speaker 1: communism in Vietnam in nineteen sixty eight for God's sake,
Speaker 1: you know, And when he got received as he did
Speaker 1: and got a different taste of reality coming back here,
Speaker 1: it was too much. Plus the reality he got over
Speaker 1: there going through the circumstance and having to do what
Speaker 1: he had to do. And you know, some people will
Speaker 1: judge me and say, oh, yeah, but your father took
Speaker 1: the cowage way out because he killed himself and this
Speaker 1: and that. But that was a man who felt betrayed
Speaker 1: and just absolutely left behind and trapped into an ugliness
Speaker 1: that he did under what he felt was false pretenses.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not saying and you know understand
Speaker 1: that or you know, because a lot of people go, oh,
Speaker 1: your father was just a you know, a week piece
Speaker 1: of shit because he just couldn't handle things, and you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't have the toughness that he should have had
Speaker 1: going into the military. Okay, if that's how you want
Speaker 1: to see it, fine, But I think it was just
Speaker 1: you're betrayed, you're trapped, you're damaged. Sometimes, you know what,
Speaker 1: some people decide they don't want to be here anymore,
Speaker 1: and that's what he did. So I'm just saying, and
Speaker 1: you're not the only one.
Speaker 5: To this day, every day to this day, to this minute,
Speaker 5: to this hour is just happening with Vetts.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know that too.
Speaker 5: So unor percent, his dad is nothing more than a
Speaker 5: human being sent over to do stupid shit for billionaires
Speaker 5: to profit on. It's it's there as the last war
Speaker 5: that was defense of this country, World War two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I can understand the I can understand being
Speaker 7: angry about being screwed over, but I can't understand defending
Speaker 7: passionately the people that.
Speaker 1: Did it to you. But the thing is, in his mind,
Speaker 1: these people are countering the people that did it to him,
Speaker 1: and as far as he's concerned, these are the people
Speaker 1: that are ruining, have ruined, and are the ruiners of
Speaker 1: what was good about this country. He thinks it's all
Speaker 1: on that side of the equation. I'm just saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say I agree. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: say that there are some people who go, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's the saviors, there's the enemy, and that's all there
Speaker 1: is to it, you know. And I gotta say, I can't,
Speaker 1: you know, dissuade him, and you know, there's no way
Speaker 1: to dissuade him from that. It's just it is the
Speaker 1: way it is. And I think, you know, again, I'm
Speaker 1: defending him. I hope he understands that and doesn't get
Speaker 1: all pissed at me for what I'm saying. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to even speak for him. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that that's probably what I would feel if I was him,
Speaker 1: and that's what it sounds like. Now. If I'm wrong, cool,
Speaker 1: and I'll take correction from jam Me any which way.
Speaker 1: But I think it's necessary to understand that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys like that that are angry because they
Speaker 1: feel as though these are the people.
Speaker 5: Correct. And and you know, it doesn't help that whatever
Speaker 5: he's getting his for his for his information, you know,
Speaker 5: that's he's receiving that he's using his sources are or
Speaker 5: you know, most likely besides Fox, probably Newsmax, probably Epic
Speaker 5: Times on the you know whatever, Uh, you know whatever,
Speaker 5: guys are jumping around what they're saying in that herd.
Speaker 5: It's a herd mentality with the Republicans are but guess what,
Speaker 5: so the Democrats the exact thing, same exact thing. And
Speaker 5: it's a big see if you're I and I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to be mean or nothing, but like you're a
Speaker 5: conservative Republican or liberal Democrat, you're all just going in circles.
Speaker 4: You're not You're just you're just.
Speaker 5: Running in circles. Now, the Libertarians and the Progressives are
Speaker 5: anti wars. They think more in a bigger scope. So
Speaker 5: I do ally myself with progressives and libertarians.
Speaker 4: They're good people.
Speaker 5: I like to judge and I like, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: the gray zone. There's there's great uh people out there.
Speaker 5: You know it been a journalists. But where I go
Speaker 5: is a step farther. I always wait for people to
Speaker 5: come out and come to the lake of freedom. There's
Speaker 5: one way here's understanding. You have to change your way
Speaker 5: of thinking, and that's how people. You've got to understand
Speaker 5: natural rights.
Speaker 1: That's the main thing.
Speaker 5: Everybody's got the Constitution, the Constitution, the Constitution, we'll get
Speaker 5: what the Constitution was built off of natural rights. You've
Speaker 5: got to understand. You understand natural rights. You don't need constitutions,
Speaker 5: you don't need government, you don't need a ruling class,
Speaker 5: you don't need any type of mind control. You do
Speaker 5: what you do and you stick your morals. It's it's
Speaker 5: almost as simple as doing to others. It's just leave
Speaker 5: it there, you know, Like it's it's such an easy
Speaker 5: concept and that that's the path of freedom. That it's like,
Speaker 5: don't harm anybody on purpose and help.
Speaker 1: Them when you can. Yeah, well that's a that's a
Speaker 1: very pagan philosophy. So I understand that quite well.
Speaker 5: Uh, but you know, there's not only as pagan though.
Speaker 5: I would say it goes back probably long before you know,
Speaker 5: society with with and I'm not going to bash anybody's religion,
Speaker 5: and we believe whatever religion they want, gods and goddesses
Speaker 5: or whatever, and that includes my Druid friends. Okay, So
Speaker 5: it's not saying that, you know, we can track back,
Speaker 5: you know, where religion kind of started. He was back
Speaker 5: to maybe forty thousand.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not trying to I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: I recognize everything. Yeah, I'm just saying. I was just
Speaker 1: trying to say I recognize it as part of that
Speaker 1: because that's what practice, so you know, and people that
Speaker 1: have known me face to face, No, that is exactly
Speaker 1: how I behave. I believe in that, and I believe
Speaker 1: in the idea of non aggression. Libertarians make me a
Speaker 1: little crazy. Like Murray Sabran is a brilliant guy. I
Speaker 1: love him and he's you know, he was the only
Speaker 1: guy to ever run, you know, on the Libertarian party
Speaker 1: line in New Jersey for governor. I had him on
Speaker 1: the show a while back. You guys might remember him.
Speaker 1: He's a brilliant guy, but he's part of that libertarian
Speaker 1: you know heard that kind of believes that everything can
Speaker 1: be solved in the courts. And I got to tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't have faith in the courts either. You know,
Speaker 1: I would have faith in you know, my fellow man
Speaker 1: if I felt as though they thought independently and really
Speaker 1: truly believed in the concept of guess what non aggression?
Speaker 1: You know, my entire liberty to swing my fist and
Speaker 1: which direction I want ends at the tip of your nose, man,
Speaker 1: And that's that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the libertarians and progressors agree with that. They should
Speaker 5: on some level.
Speaker 1: They do, but it's just the libertarians are always like, well,
Speaker 1: that's okay, you can just take them to court if
Speaker 1: they and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. The
Speaker 1: courts are just as corrupt. But look, we could we
Speaker 1: could delve into this all night long. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I want to do is get a kind
Speaker 1: of a shout out or a closing thought from everybody,
Speaker 1: one at a time, and uh, and then I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna close this one out. Maybe given the final
Speaker 1: word to be pete. After you guys, say what you
Speaker 1: got to say, because I wonder what his observations are
Speaker 1: about all these conversations tonight, and let's just do that.
Speaker 1: So what do you think should we begin with Smith, Kent,
Speaker 1: bet Pete because I think he was the first one
Speaker 1: on right or yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh well unless going back, No.
Speaker 1: He hasn't joined back, so we go with Kent, right, Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: Good, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love Jimmy James by the way, He's my boy
Speaker 5: no matter what. But you know, it is to some
Speaker 5: people like me, maybe Joe, it is really arguing over
Speaker 5: what sandwich or which soup you want?
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: So, but you know, no offense. I mean, it's just like,
Speaker 5: find your way out of there, guys. That's all they Educate. Educate, educate,
Speaker 5: educate educated, educate, Educate yourself. I've been saying this on
Speaker 5: some radio show or another for the last thirteen years, So,
Speaker 5: you know, educate yourself. The more you educate, the more
Speaker 5: you can open your mind. You learn, you have knowledge,
Speaker 5: you can plant your feet on the ground solid, solidly.
Speaker 5: It's good to hear from Joe again, it's good to
Speaker 5: hear from Everybody's good to hear from BP. And you know,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be around and when I can pop
Speaker 5: in loocause I love everybody and love this show. Chuck Man.
Speaker 5: We'll eventually talk some more cashed out business eventually. Just
Speaker 5: let me know, hit me up on messenger or whatever
Speaker 5: you want to do, and uh, lest.
Speaker 11: You guys, I love you, man, I'd love it.
Speaker 5: I wish I had got to talk to Aaron and
Speaker 5: Uncle tonight. That would have been just icing on the cake.
Speaker 1: Well next week, man, you know, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: off next Friday, by all means, join us. As far
Speaker 1: as that other thing about business or whatever. You you
Speaker 1: give me a better idea of what exactly it is
Speaker 1: you want to do and just send it to me
Speaker 1: and let's just start from there. We'll bat it back
Speaker 1: and forth and figure it out. Man. Okay, yeah, let me.
Speaker 5: Let me get a little more you know, adapted into
Speaker 5: what's going on with me here. Yeah, with everything that's
Speaker 5: been going on. So but yeah, I definitely you know,
Speaker 5: I'm there on all that, and uh okay, I did
Speaker 5: want to say, uh, definitely, Uncle, I love it man
Speaker 5: that he wanted to hear from the governor of Minnesota
Speaker 5: that bad and uh, you know, warning, warning, we got
Speaker 5: to find out what's going on with Uncle.
Speaker 1: Tell them.
Speaker 5: Spank Kent said, Hey, I sure will, and I love.
Speaker 1: That too, man, And I'm gonna put you on hold now,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate you, brother, and uh, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be looking forward to hearing from you some more soon.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I love that Uncle thing because
Speaker 1: it's weird. We go into Uncle's world for an hour,
Speaker 1: you know, every week, and it's his world. It's his show,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. It's kind of like a
Speaker 1: little bit of performance art, you know, brought to you
Speaker 1: by Aaron because he's the presenter. Really, but we go
Speaker 1: into Uncle's world for an hour and it's a you
Speaker 1: know what. It's a special look into a special guy's
Speaker 1: ideas about the way the world works. And I think
Speaker 1: it's actually a refresher and something that can give you
Speaker 1: a reset personally if you laugh along and just kind
Speaker 1: of have fun with it. I think it's a it's
Speaker 1: a unique show. So I've been happy to produce it
Speaker 1: now for many years, and I'll be glad to keep
Speaker 1: doing it if I can. So u oh, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: it looks like no, wait a minute, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: put okay, spent Ken is on hold, and I guess
Speaker 1: that uh brings a sign over to is it regular
Speaker 1: Joe's next? Or is it Danny Who's next? B Pete? Well, Joe, okay, Joe. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always enjoyed being on with you guys.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 7: I want to really thank Saint Kent for the words
Speaker 7: that touched me that he said earlier, you know, and
Speaker 7: I thought that was profound, And I will offer if
Speaker 7: I have offended Jimmy James, which I imagine I probably did,
Speaker 7: I will offer him my apologies for that due to
Speaker 7: my lack of understanding and the passion that he exhibited
Speaker 7: for the people I just don't have any faith in.
Speaker 7: So I'll have to say I don't agree with you
Speaker 7: know you're you're blue folks either, But you know I
Speaker 7: don't have to agree. I'm just trying to understand where
Speaker 7: the passion comes from, because.
Speaker 2: My passion lies with you people.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, People that you.
Speaker 7: Can have a rational conversation with and and you don't
Speaker 7: have to get ugly or hateful, which I lean towards
Speaker 7: myself tonight. I'm guilty, but you know I recognize that
Speaker 7: at least, and I admit my fault and I hope
Speaker 7: Jimmy James is fine, and I don't wish anything hateful
Speaker 7: towards him, and genuinely love being part of the show.
Speaker 7: Genuinely love you Chuck as a person, and just thank
Speaker 7: you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, I thank you Joe Man. And the feeling is
Speaker 1: absolutely mutual. And you know, one thing about Jimmy is
Speaker 1: that no matter whether you agree or disagree with him,
Speaker 1: I know he's genuine about it. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I respect him based on that, even if I vehemently disagree,
Speaker 1: I respect the idea that that is truly where he's
Speaker 1: coming from. You know, it's not invented. It's not something
Speaker 1: that he latched onto because you know, he needed a personality.
Speaker 1: He's got a personality for sure. Again, agree with it
Speaker 1: or not, it is his and I think he's genuine
Speaker 1: about it. I don't think he's right about a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but I know he's genuine about it, so
Speaker 1: and I appreciate him. He knows that. I mean, please,
Speaker 1: I absolutely let him on. Sometimes he just yells at
Speaker 1: me it is what it is. But he's angry, and
Speaker 1: I think he has a right to some of that anger.
Speaker 1: But I wish he wasn't so angry. I wish he
Speaker 1: would get beyond that and think about things in a
Speaker 1: slightly different way. But look, I'm not in control of
Speaker 1: the man, and I don't want to be in control
Speaker 1: of another man. So you know, I hope he's not
Speaker 1: too angry at all of us tonight. But you know,
Speaker 1: because he's a good guy. I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. Anyway, Danny, that brings us to you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, well, thank you for putting up with me,
Speaker 2: and let me come on and appreciate it. I come
Speaker 2: from a genuine place for Heartfield. It's just the morality,
Speaker 2: my nature and the principle. It's based on the gold rule,
Speaker 2: you know, caring for others how you want to be treated.
Speaker 2: In as far as me, I try my best never
Speaker 2: to punch down. I punch up. I do highly oppose
Speaker 2: the concentration of wealth and power, and especially the monopolization
Speaker 2: of it. I want to lift people up from the bottom,
Speaker 2: up the middle, out those have lost loved ones and everybody.
Speaker 2: I just God only knows. Brian Wilson, the beach boys there,
Speaker 2: I'll love it right there, there you go.
Speaker 1: You know, some of us see the wrongs and the
Speaker 1: hurt in the world, and some of us want to
Speaker 1: hurt those who hurt people. Some of us wish to
Speaker 1: heal people that have been hurt, and some of us
Speaker 1: want to do a little of both. And all of
Speaker 1: these efforts are valid if you're looking to move things forward.
Speaker 1: And I kind of leave things in a better condition
Speaker 1: than you found them. So again, that's where genuine things
Speaker 1: come from, and that's why I'm happy to hear from people.
Speaker 1: And again I don't necessarily always agree with Danny and
Speaker 1: his points of view. They come from a different place
Speaker 1: than most of the people who call in listen to
Speaker 1: the show, and even then my perspective, although sometimes we
Speaker 1: cross paths pretty well and sometimes we intersect nicely, and
Speaker 1: I can intersect with him and Jimmy James on a
Speaker 1: great many topics, oddly enough, because I'm one of those weirdos.
Speaker 1: But anyway, be pete with all of that in the books,
Speaker 1: it's all on you to give us the final stamp tonight.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any thoughts about what
Speaker 1: you heard mostly and participated in, but I'm happy to
Speaker 1: call everybody who called in, you know, a friend on
Speaker 1: one level or another. To me. Some people I've met
Speaker 1: face to face some people I've hung out with and
Speaker 1: even gone to Dallas, Texas with, but others maybe I
Speaker 1: haven't met him. But still, you know, we're all here
Speaker 1: for the same reason. We all have something to say,
Speaker 1: and we all think that we could add something that
Speaker 1: will make some sort of progress for someone or something else.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's good to air some of these
Speaker 1: things out. And I'm glad we do this on Fridays.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I turn it to you.
Speaker 3: Well, in regards to the conversation with Jimmy, I don't
Speaker 3: think Jimmy's mad. To be honest, I mean, and to
Speaker 3: speak for veterans, I'm a veteran, so I'm gonna speak
Speaker 3: on behalf of all of them, and if somebody out
Speaker 3: there doesn't like them.
Speaker 4: Then it's just my ass.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Guys are serving the military, men and women serving the military.
Speaker 3: You know, they they feel like they at that there
Speaker 3: in with the bargain, they raise their hand, they did
Speaker 3: what they would, they followed orders, they did what they
Speaker 3: have to do, and then they find out that the
Speaker 3: system it's not holding up. It's under the deal. You know,
Speaker 3: we bear a lot of money in this country just
Speaker 3: on stupid things. So we've got veterans out there that
Speaker 3: are having serious issues because they answered the call, they
Speaker 3: served their time, not under the best of circumstances in
Speaker 3: a lot of cases. You know, today's veterans is not
Speaker 3: like the vet of the World War two, the war
Speaker 3: they were even the Vietnam War, right, So we're diding
Speaker 3: the different issues. But I think the biggest thing that
Speaker 3: that veterans have a problem with is they feel like
Speaker 3: they got short change. They did their part, but the
Speaker 3: system's not doing theirs. And it's very disheartening to somebody
Speaker 3: that you know, some of these guys put in you know,
Speaker 3: twenty years and retired from the military, and.
Speaker 1: They just see that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they see that their efforts wof are not when
Speaker 3: they look at the country that they come back to,
Speaker 3: and it's sending. As for the Democrat Republican an argument
Speaker 3: both sides, both sides are not living up to their
Speaker 3: end of the volume. A simple you know, we've we've
Speaker 3: we've won everybody out of politics. Now it's a two
Speaker 3: party system and that needs to change. The way can
Speaker 3: change is start on the local level and working there.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I have to agree with Jimmy. I
Speaker 3: think the Democratic part of that don't understand why it's
Speaker 3: still in existence when you look at their district and
Speaker 3: what they've done. I really don't understand that the Republicans,
Speaker 3: they're in such dis way right now. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell's going on between the magufaction and the
Speaker 3: non Trump Republicans. You know, you're gonna have a bitterer
Speaker 3: divide there. You know, Trump find out what for years left,
Speaker 3: three and a half years left, he's going to be gone.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna have to deal with Trump anymore. People
Speaker 3: need to start looking down the road.
Speaker 1: That's my understanding. But that's my understanding, But there are
Speaker 1: people making noise to the contrary.
Speaker 3: You know, you'd have to know, you would have to
Speaker 3: have to you'd have to man the constitution for him
Speaker 3: to be able to run. That's my thirst thing, and
Speaker 3: that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's my understanding. But you know what, there
Speaker 1: are other people out there with a serious face telling
Speaker 1: you differently. You know, one thing I want to just
Speaker 1: add in here real fast, and it's almost an open
Speaker 1: question to you, because you know I made a statement there,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm making a statement on behalf of
Speaker 1: a man that's you know, dead more than forty years.
Speaker 1: But you know the reality is this, there are sacrifices
Speaker 1: that are given there. And you know, you're talking about
Speaker 1: an end of the bargain being held up and this
Speaker 1: and that, and the truth is, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I was saying too. There are some people that gave blood.
Speaker 1: There are some people that gave parts of their body.
Speaker 1: There are others that gay parts of their lives, and
Speaker 1: there are some that, in my estimation, gay parts of
Speaker 1: their soul. And that sacrifice was made out of love.
Speaker 1: And you know what, when you come back around and
Speaker 1: you realize that you gave something, whether it's your time,
Speaker 1: you're talking twenty years here, you know, however many years whatever,
Speaker 1: or it's a part of you or all of you.
Speaker 1: You know, the fact is if you find out they
Speaker 1: didn't hold up there into the bargain, the system doesn't,
Speaker 1: the people don't, it is a betrayal. And it is
Speaker 1: one of those things that you know, what are you
Speaker 1: supposed to say, except that they have a right to
Speaker 1: their outrage, their anger and their discontent with it. So
Speaker 1: you know, that's all I was trying to say. I
Speaker 1: hope it makes sense to you what I was saying,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does. It's lost sous so. I
Speaker 3: mean it's a good People make sacrifices, people lose things
Speaker 3: by simply joining the military, whether it's you know, disgrim
Speaker 3: it with family, whether it's economic situation where people join
Speaker 3: the military for a lot of different reasons. And it's
Speaker 3: a good everybody out of everybody should serve, you know,
Speaker 3: that's the way I look at it. I learned more
Speaker 3: just if they're being in the army, and it changed
Speaker 3: the way I looked at a lot of stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: we didn't do anything spectacular. We didn't have any real
Speaker 3: wars going on. You know, we won the Cold War.
Speaker 3: Uh so what that's got us? But you know, people
Speaker 3: make a decision to join, whether it's out of necessity
Speaker 3: or whether it's a sense of duty. In your dad's case,
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a draft going on. People didn't
Speaker 3: have a choice. They had to go do with the
Speaker 3: you know what they were forced to do. And it's
Speaker 3: messed up a lot of people over the years, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's something that the changes in warfare over time.
Speaker 3: We have people going to war now that are coming
Speaker 3: back that twenty years ago would not have survived what
Speaker 3: they've been through. And it's both of them, both physically,
Speaker 3: mentally and spiritually. And they come back to a country
Speaker 3: that say, hey, you know, we made this bargain and
Speaker 3: you have up her end of it, but we're gonna
Speaker 3: kind of drop the ball on you. It's very frustrating
Speaker 3: to a lot of people. And I mean, you will
Speaker 3: look at the suicide rate of veterans out there, what
Speaker 3: they're having to come back and deal with, and it's
Speaker 3: it can be disheartening, it can restore somebody's whole life.
Speaker 3: So on the stage after where Jimmy's coming from, this
Speaker 3: political game now has gotten I'm wondering that if in
Speaker 3: the next three years we see the Democrat Party just
Speaker 3: were the pieces. They've gotten nothing, They've got no game
Speaker 3: right now, and I'm wondering if we will see the
Speaker 3: same thing happens with the Republicans in three years. Chris
Speaker 3: Trup's not going to be there either. You know what,
Speaker 3: Jenny Vance is our truce, you know, it's it's the
Speaker 3: stage thought. We get through this next three years and
Speaker 3: then we'll see what happens. But we got many terms
Speaker 3: coming next year, they'll see it is there and it's
Speaker 3: going to be this partisan back and forth between the
Speaker 3: two parties. So we break the system. Until we change
Speaker 3: the system, they'd be less to be broken to change it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, That's the thing is I'm too Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if progress could be made by the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, if both parties end up in disarray, maybe
Speaker 1: that's positive because people would then have to what examine
Speaker 1: individuals and maybe make decisions about not you know, whether
Speaker 1: they got an R or a D in front of
Speaker 1: their name, but how about somebody who's capable of doing
Speaker 1: a job. That would be nice. But anyway, enough of
Speaker 1: my two cents, I'm good. I want to let you just,
Speaker 1: you know, finish it out and then we're done.
Speaker 3: I mean, other than that, you that's the one thing
Speaker 3: about this group of people that come to their show
Speaker 3: and they enhance these discussions. They may plow each other out,
Speaker 3: they're hurt the very next week, each other out of
Speaker 3: room and express their views. You know, I pre say
Speaker 3: everybody that calls into the show, I have expressive views.
Speaker 3: It's wet makes it work. We just need to expand
Speaker 3: that circle of people to take advantage of the discussion
Speaker 3: and become a.
Speaker 1: Part of it. So hopefully we'll be able to do
Speaker 1: that in the near future. And uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: per normal. Guess what, I'm gonna close this one out.
Speaker 1: It's a little around three hours tonight, which is not bad,
Speaker 1: I think, and hopefully you got something out of it.
Speaker 1: You listening to it, and you guys are called in
Speaker 1: I I I know that most of you got something
Speaker 1: out of it for sure, and uh, I hope that
Speaker 1: we've done a service in some way. So there it is,
Speaker 1: I think, b Pete. I want to thank Joe, Danny, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: you're young, my fall and the gunners stand in her
Speaker 1: wonder up being in a super Boy