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<v Speaker 1>Why is it that we as humans tend to get

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<v Speaker 1>so focused on something to the point that we have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time seeing what's going on beyond our own

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<v Speaker 1>point of view. It happens in everyday life, and it

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<v Speaker 1>happens in criminal investigations. In two thousand and six, a

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen year old girl lost her life and authorities tried

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<v Speaker 1>to find answers. However, they became so focused on one

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<v Speaker 1>suspect that they completely overlooked the truth. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of a little girl named Tayir Rada.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a solid chance that there might be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of coughing in the background of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole's still getting over her illness. I think we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it last.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode two weeks but I'm in the cough coughing era.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you feel good, but this sound like pooh.

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<v Speaker 2>My voice is actually pretty well mostly the same. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to hold in a cough, probably occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>because I ran out of cough candy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, What would make up for it, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need a cough candy when you have a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that's my theory.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your theory. I think a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 2>sick right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. It's just the time of year. Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, we're recording today on Monday, so if anyone out

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<v Speaker 2>there is feeling like, you know, a little down, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty normal this time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned what blue Monday was actually because you

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<v Speaker 1>told me about it. That kind of sucks just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it makes me feel a little blue.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember all the things, but basically one of

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<v Speaker 2>them or a few of them. It's like you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of debt from Christmas time, right, Yeah, you haven't met

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<v Speaker 2>maybe your New Year's resolutions that you've set.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like kind of a gloomy time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah. Just yesterday though, we tried to make

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves a little bit happier. We had some fried chicken

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner. We fried some chicken in our tiny home

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Hate our feelings, is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Some soul food, some comfort food. It was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually amazing comfort food.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We also want to give a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a shout out to anyone who's a new listener and

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<v Speaker 1>coming over from YouTube, because we had some people comment

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<v Speaker 1>recently at they're heading over from YouTube. There. We've been active,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been posting some stuff, we've been getting some views.

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<v Speaker 1>We hit yeah, eight thousand subscribers today, so that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Really cool. Yeah, I'm enjoying that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're going to keep posting. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing that thing and having fun. We also post

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<v Speaker 1>over on Patreon too, we sure do. And we had

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<v Speaker 1>some new patrons sign up this week. So we had

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<v Speaker 1>James and Morgan sign up, Lisa Nunez and Miranda Crittenden. Nice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so thank you so much for signing up on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>They get all that behind the scenes content. They got

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<v Speaker 1>to post about our fried chicken in fact, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me taking a giant bite of fried chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was good, it was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tell you guys today, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a long episode. So something wrong with that though,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, nothing wrong with it at all. Us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit longer in all honesty, this should be a

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<v Speaker 1>two parter one percent should be a two parter, but

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<v Speaker 1>I literally think last episodes that I'm going to try

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<v Speaker 1>and not do two parters. We won't be doing a

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<v Speaker 1>two parter for a little while. So you're basically getting

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<v Speaker 1>two episodes at once today because I'm refusing to make

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<v Speaker 1>this a two parter. It's just going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>long episode. That's kind of cool though, It's like bonus,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of is so so buckley you seat belts.

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<v Speaker 1>You might need to listen to this on your way

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<v Speaker 1>to work and on your way home from work. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the case, You're probably going to need some extra time today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of that being said.

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<v Speaker 2>With that being said, yeah, the intro was a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a doozy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so you ready for this one? I am okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this one is actually a very large case and

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<v Speaker 1>it took place on the other side of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>not over here in North America. It takes place in

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<v Speaker 1>the picturesque town of Catsrin, which is nestled less than

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<v Speaker 1>an hour's drive from the bustling city of Haifa in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rada family led a quiet and close knit kind

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<v Speaker 1>of life, so Schmuel and Lana Rata were the parents

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<v Speaker 1>to three children, the youngest being Taiir. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>vibrant soul who brought light to like pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>whole family's life. I mean, of course, like everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>the family, but she was she was quite a bright,

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<v Speaker 1>bright young girl. Now, the age gap between Tayer and

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<v Speaker 1>her older brothers Roy and o'had was just enough for

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<v Speaker 1>them to assume the roles of protecting guardians over their

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<v Speaker 1>blood little sister. Okay, so they they held a soft

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<v Speaker 1>spot little sister, and they kind of looked over her

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I think any any older brother would.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you see your your younger sister getting

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<v Speaker 1>picked on, I'm pretty sure the older brother would be

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<v Speaker 1>like there to to protect her and get her back

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<v Speaker 1>sort of situation. Yeah, you lose your mind, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>From the time she was a baby, Tyer had a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic quality that drew people towards her. Her name actually

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<v Speaker 1>meaning she will light up. Really that's the actual meaning

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<v Speaker 1>of her name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it literally seemed to manifest in her personality.

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<v Speaker 1>So a suitable name.

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, So they picked a really good name for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. Yeah. Now to Toyar was the embodiment of

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<v Speaker 1>Charsma and often becoming a focal point of attention wherever

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<v Speaker 1>she went. With a love for music and drama, she

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<v Speaker 1>effortlessly transformed into a captivating dancer. So she loved her art,

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<v Speaker 1>She loved theater, she loved music. It was just ingrained

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<v Speaker 1>in her and among her friends, she held the title

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<v Speaker 1>of Queen Bee, a natural leader. Yeah, Queen Bee. She

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<v Speaker 1>was a natural leader who's every move inspired others to

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<v Speaker 1>follow suit. Yet her beauty, intelligence, and talents occasionally stirred

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<v Speaker 1>jealousy among some of her peers, leading to conflicts within

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<v Speaker 1>her circle. Fortunately, the bonds forged in their relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>upbringings always managed to mend any of the occasional riffs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So she was, as all accounts from I could find

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<v Speaker 1>in my research, magnificent, bright, smart, happy young girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah she sounds like a really special little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>M M Now Nofie gol in high school in Golan

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<v Speaker 1>Heights became the backdrop of tay Year's teenage years. Like

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<v Speaker 1>many kids in the area, she would walk to school

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<v Speaker 1>and walk back home on foot. A call to her

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<v Speaker 1>mom upon arriving home became a daily ritual. She'd get

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<v Speaker 1>home from school, you know, drop her bag any entranceway

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<v Speaker 1>or the house or whatever and ring up mom being like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm home sort of thing, just kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>reasassuring signal that all's all's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Right wonderor mom's at work kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay. So on the sixth of December in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, an ordinary school day took an abrupt

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<v Speaker 1>turn ty year. Like any other teenager, seeking a break

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<v Speaker 1>from routine, decided to skip the last period of the day. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun fact, I only ever actually skipped one class in

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<v Speaker 1>high school. Nope, that's wrong. Two two two.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them I remember, was to get like a

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<v Speaker 1>My one of my favorite bands, System of Down came

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<v Speaker 1>get it. And the other one was just arbitrary skipping. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I was not a goodie two shoes, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was just really afraid of authority catching me. But regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>she was opting to spend the day with her friends. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>little did anyone suspect that this seemingly typical day would

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<v Speaker 1>plunge into complete darkness. Around one twenty Tayre was thirsty

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<v Speaker 1>and made her way to the main building for a

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<v Speaker 1>sip of water. Several students witnessed her make her way

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<v Speaker 1>to the mid floor, where the tenth grade classes were situated.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbeknownst to them, this would be the last time anyone

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<v Speaker 1>saw Tayer alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Yeah, what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Tayer's mother, Lana, became quite concerned when the customary afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>call from her daughter never came through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. She initially brushed off any worries and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of assumed to herself that her daughter had simply gone

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<v Speaker 1>to a friend's house, or was hanging out with friends,

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<v Speaker 1>or was something right distracted or something. Yeah, the call

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<v Speaker 1>would come soon enough. However, as a clock ticked away

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<v Speaker 1>and Taier remained absent, anxiety quickly took. Without hesitation, Lana

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<v Speaker 1>dialed Tayer's cell phone, desperation growing with each and every

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<v Speaker 1>unanswered ring. She knew something wasn't right. There was no answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyer never picked up. In a panic, she sounded the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm to find her daughter. Schmule. Tayer's father rushed home

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<v Speaker 1>as friends and neighbors, armed with concern and flashlights, combed

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<v Speaker 1>the streets where she walked and where she was last seen.

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<v Speaker 1>At the school. They were searching the school at about

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<v Speaker 1>seven pm. Dark hallways echoed with each footsteps as they're

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<v Speaker 1>running up and down the halls trying to find You're

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<v Speaker 1>looking in classrooms, calling out her name, and it eventually

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<v Speaker 1>led them to the girl's bathroom on the tenth grade floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Still in the darkness, there was a single locked stall door.

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<v Speaker 1>Beneath that door, a pair of feet or scene and

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<v Speaker 1>remained still even as they called out Tier's name. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they access the adjacent stall, peaked over the wall to

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<v Speaker 1>look inside and found a gruesome scene. Tier's lifeless body

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<v Speaker 1>was slumped over blood stained walls and floor. Her throat

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<v Speaker 1>was slashed and multiple stab wounds marred her all over.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa she was found dead inside the school? Oh my gosh?

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<v Speaker 2>And was she in grade ten?

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<v Speaker 1>Then she was thirteen? Whatever that math equates to for grades,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not certain. I don't think that would be grade ten.

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, that just doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to dive into what does and doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense in this case. Oh okay, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>wild ride, so prepare yourself. So the discovery prompted an

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<v Speaker 1>immediate call to police and rightfully sold I mean there

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<v Speaker 1>was a deceased child in the school, yes, And they

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<v Speaker 1>quickly came to the scene, a crowd, a mass at

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<v Speaker 1>the school gates and schmule. Tayer's father was desperate for

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<v Speaker 1>confirmation that it was his daughter. He tried to burst

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<v Speaker 1>in the school to try and see, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>met with absolute refusal. The scene was far too gruesome

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<v Speaker 1>and nightmarish. One of Tiger's brother was so overwhelmed with

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<v Speaker 1>grief he even was faced with the threat of sedation

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<v Speaker 1>by authorities. The community found itself in absolute disbelief. How

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<v Speaker 1>could a young girl meet such a grizzly fate within

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<v Speaker 1>the confines of this school, And like she's.

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<v Speaker 2>So vibrant and everything too right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly any sense doesn't. So fear took hold and parents

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<v Speaker 1>hesitated to send the children back to an environment that

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<v Speaker 1>suspending classes for several days, shut the doors like shit's going.

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<v Speaker 2>Down, right, absolutely well, yeah, an investigation would have to

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<v Speaker 1>And even still, like the well being of the other students,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, yes, someone that I went I go

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<v Speaker 1>to sit here and study science, Like yeah, hello, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that something that would go well, So yeah, understandably,

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<v Speaker 1>the school was shut down for a little while. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in the aftermath of the murder, the police extended their

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<v Speaker 1>of Golden Heights and Galli, which is the surrounding area. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this puzzled the community, who are expecting a more focused

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<v Speaker 1>that's where she was last seen, that's where her remains

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<v Speaker 1>the school? Didn't make a lot of sense. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>some eyebrows, like, well, what the hell you should be

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<v Speaker 1>like searching in here? But whatever, And as the days unfolded,

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<v Speaker 1>police did turn their attention to the students, attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>reconstruct Teyor's final moments. So two witnesses reported seeing Tayir

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<v Speaker 1>ascend the stairs alone heading to that floor, right that

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<v Speaker 1>that very bathroom between ten to twelve to be precise. Strangely,

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<v Speaker 1>only five were subjected to police questioning, okay, which raised

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<v Speaker 1>some more eyebrows, like, why aren't you questioning all the girls? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, and I'm it's also surprising that. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you carry on, because like you think that

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<v Speaker 2>the gruesome scene would extend out of the stall slightly,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe it didn't. It didn't really like you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have you wouldn't know, you could go in the stall

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<v Speaker 2>right next and you would have no fucking idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one hundred percent certain because I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>I know how the stall was shaped. Okay. I do

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<v Speaker 1>know that it said that you could see feet underneath

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<v Speaker 1>the stall, but I don't know how big that gap is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know that there's different shaped stalls different countries

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<v Speaker 1>that you go to. If it's here in North America,

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<v Speaker 1>I could probably speak to what the stall looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>but going over to Israel, it might be completely different

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But I mean, you're also not paying attention to

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<v Speaker 2>something out of the blue or or you wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>thinking something next to you would be that disturbing, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so fair, I guess the.

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<v Speaker 1>Things I do know is that they did say you

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor. Okay, I do know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you could see the blood.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe you have to get down on

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<v Speaker 1>your hands and knees and really peek through a crack

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<v Speaker 1>and who's doing that? Yeah, And you're probably not going

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<v Speaker 1>to see blood on the floor if you're that, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're having to like peak with one eye through your

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<v Speaker 1>crack like right, like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you're giving the person privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So anyways, among the accounts that was given was

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<v Speaker 1>that of no far Ben David, who was a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of Ta years, who claimed to have spotted an unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 1>girl with curly hair in the restroom. Now. She insisted

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<v Speaker 1>not on not recognizing the girl before or after the event,

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<v Speaker 1>speculating that she was, like, you know, a new student

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<v Speaker 1>at the school, maybe new addition whatever. However, she did

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<v Speaker 1>identify that the girl was wearing the school uniform, so

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<v Speaker 1>she clearly belonged in some way, shape or form. Another

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<v Speaker 1>student recalled witnessing two pairs of feet in the stall

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<v Speaker 1>where Taiyer was later discovered. Oh boy, one being Taiyer's

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<v Speaker 1>distinctive Puma shoes and another pair of youth sized All

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<v Speaker 1>Star shoes. So there was, according to this individual, two

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<v Speaker 1>people in the stall, yes, one of which most likely

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<v Speaker 1>was Tier via the distinctive shoes. Now, oblivious to the

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<v Speaker 1>significance of the time, the witness simply left, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's two people in there. Whatever, It's not like they're

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<v Speaker 1>immediately thinking, oh, someone's getting murdered right now. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they left, apparently attributing to the unusual bad smell

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom. Now, whether that's someone just stank it

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<v Speaker 1>up in there, or whether it was from the smell

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<v Speaker 1>of potential blood, because hey, that is not a pleasant smell.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who has blood like that before knows what that

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<v Speaker 1>smells like. It's not pretty. It's usually a very like

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<v Speaker 1>tinny iron smell. So yeah, well, plus.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like having two people in the stall next

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<v Speaker 2>to you is like a bit awkward that I would

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<v Speaker 2>probably be rushing to get out of there too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe if it's not like weird noises or anything. That

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<v Speaker 2>you're hearing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, what are they doing in there? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want a part of this. Yeah, unless maybe, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a puff puff pass situation. It's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>pass it over here. But that's hit, that's different. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what kids are doing in high school. So regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger's friend Lee approached the lock stall and received a

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<v Speaker 1>response saying someone was in there, confirming the occupancy as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, However, when questioned by police, police the focus shifted

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<v Speaker 1>to discerning whether the voice belonged to a man or

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, which I mean could could be very important information,

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<v Speaker 1>rightly now, Lee consistently maintained that it was a female

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<v Speaker 1>voice that it talked, but felt a very lingering dissatisfaction

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<v Speaker 1>in that answer from authorities, Like they were like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you sure, I'm sure it was a man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they were just assuming that it was gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like they weren't really happy with the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a female voice. Okay. Now, for the Rata family,

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<v Speaker 1>a glimmer of hope emerged in the form of a

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<v Speaker 1>private investigator named Jim Sadovski. Now, Haim learned about the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Tayer through the radio and was personally angered

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<v Speaker 1>as his own daughter was the same age as Tayer

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<v Speaker 1>and could pretty much put himself in the same shoes, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what if that was my daughter? Right, So he reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to the grieving Rata family and offered his services

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<v Speaker 1>to aid, unveiling the mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of Oh okay, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So Shmiel and Lana shared everything the knew with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the details was an incident that struck a chord

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<v Speaker 1>with Lana. So during a visit from Tiger's friends to

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<v Speaker 1>offer condolences, two girls exhibit peculiar behavior. They were whispering

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<v Speaker 1>in hush tones, as if they had kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a secret, or they weren't sharing everything that they knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I don't love that. So upon talking to

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<v Speaker 1>and scrutinizing the statements given by the two girls with

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<v Speaker 1>police him, iim uncovered inconsistencies. So Lana's intuition had not

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<v Speaker 1>led her astray. The friends had seen Tyer's backpack in class,

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<v Speaker 1>but failed to register her absence as unusual, also in

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<v Speaker 1>contradiction with the portrayal of Tayer as her usual self.

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<v Speaker 1>On that fateful Wednesday, the theater class teacher remembered a

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<v Speaker 1>very withdrawn and melancholic Taier, which was abnormal. As we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about beginning her art love for arts and theater,

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<v Speaker 1>this was her favorite class. Okay, so the teacher actually

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<v Speaker 1>questioned her that day if she was okay, but Tayer

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<v Speaker 1>made rather unsettling remark, saying, quote, because I'm afraid of death. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>So teacher's like, what's wrong, Okay, something wrong, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm afraid of death.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. That's an alarming response.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, especially right before getting fucking murdered. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I mean, it's not like the teacher would

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<v Speaker 2>think that. She probably would think that she's a family

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<v Speaker 2>member that's ill or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, or maybe who knows. Maybe it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they watched a horror movie last night, and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there could be many reasons. It's not like I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here saying that she's imminently thinking she's going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, that's that's ominous.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are afraid of death.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. Death is scary.

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<v Speaker 2>It is scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't like death can go away?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Another layer of the puzzle actually emerged as Tayer's

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<v Speaker 1>schoolmates devulged some more information. Tayer supposedly had a stalker

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<v Speaker 1>named Avi, who is an eighteen year old from Tiberius.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He apparently incessantly called and sent her numerous text messages.

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<v Speaker 1>He even went as far as threatening her a month

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<v Speaker 1>before her murder. Allegedly, Avi declared that if Tayer refused

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<v Speaker 1>to be with or be his girlfriend, he would kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh now, when he announced to visit the area, Tyer

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<v Speaker 1>said that she wasn't going to see him, and it

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<v Speaker 1>made things worse. Huh. However, police investigation yielded no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of any contact between Tayer and it purported Avi. No calls,

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<v Speaker 1>no texts, nothing, There's no evidence that this guy even exists.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so basically there wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>A stalker then, but potentially so that they could find Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this like really put this this story under scrutiny,

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<v Speaker 1>which actually also brings up speculation. Were they fabricating this

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<v Speaker 1>story to divert attention from themselves to hide the truth

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<v Speaker 1>or is this an actual rumor? Like what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 1>As private investigator Jim delved into the evidence surrounding Tier's murder,

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<v Speaker 1>a chilling fear began to take shape. The sheer brutality

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<v Speaker 1>inflicted upon the batigm four foot nine tai year led

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<v Speaker 1>him to believe that the assailants were likely individuals of

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<v Speaker 1>similar age and stature, most likely two individuals, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>an adult using excessive force on such a young girl.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what he believed, is it must be individuals

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<v Speaker 1>of the same age.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his theory, like that she had two attackers.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean yes, okay, He's saying, like, okay, this excessive

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<v Speaker 1>force is probably not needed. All these slashes and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and like the cuts. It's like, why would a grown

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<v Speaker 1>adult do this in such a small vicinity. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you're not gonna be able to hold her down

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<v Speaker 1>with one hand. Where's she going She's in a locked

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom stall with you. Yeah, Whereas if it's two, there

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<v Speaker 1>might be more of a two of her stature and

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<v Speaker 1>age might be more afraid of her escaping or fighting back,

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<v Speaker 1>so there would be the random slashes, the random stabs

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<v Speaker 1>or cuts or whatever of a friend's exactly, whereas an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who towers over her would have much more control

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<v Speaker 1>and be much more precise. So that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the theory that he was leading to. Now, amidst the

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<v Speaker 1>pool of suspects, eyes turned to an arch rival of Tiers,

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<v Speaker 1>who was apparently equally beautiful and talented, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>there was kind of this animosity between the two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and it reached a point where Tayer had actually confronted

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<v Speaker 1>her mother about feeling afraid at the start of the

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<v Speaker 1>school year regarding this individual. The rival's behavior post murder

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<v Speaker 1>added another layer of suspicion. She apparently left town for

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<v Speaker 1>a few days, but conveniently omitted this information when questioned

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<v Speaker 1>by police, specifically when they asked if she had knew

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone had left town, and she's like, no, even

421
00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:54.160
<v Speaker 1>though she did leave town herself. Okay, yeah. Now, despite

422
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:58.559
<v Speaker 1>the initial focus on Taier's schoolmates, the investigation took another turn.

423
00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.160
<v Speaker 1>The schools psychologist claimed to have seen the gardener in

424
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.519
<v Speaker 1>the teacher's lounge on the afternoon of the murder, and

425
00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>the gardener was appearing a little disturbed and bewildered, but

426
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:15.480
<v Speaker 1>he presented an airtight alibi. So while the psychologist's testimony

427
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:19.200
<v Speaker 1>carried some weight to the authorities, the police were unwilling

428
00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>to dismiss it. Entirely, and they explored an alternate possibility.

429
00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.839
<v Speaker 1>There was another man who bore a striking resemblance to

430
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>this gardener, and it surfaced as a potential suspect. The

431
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.440
<v Speaker 1>police considered the likelihood that the psychologists might have inadvertently

432
00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>confused the two men, thinking that this was the man

433
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that they saw, but really was this man since this

434
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>one has the first one has an alibi? Right, So,

435
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.039
<v Speaker 1>on December eleventh, less than a week after Tire's tragic murder,

436
00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Roman Zadorov, a construction worker employed at the school, found

437
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.079
<v Speaker 1>himself under the microscope of law. He was a Ukrainian

438
00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>migrant who had moved to Israel two years prior. Roman

439
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 1>had living with odd jobs in construction. His life took

440
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:05.559
<v Speaker 1>a turn when he met Olga, his high school sweetheart

441
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:09.519
<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine. Following Olga's family in Israel, the couple settled

442
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.559
<v Speaker 1>down in Katseran and their son was born just a

443
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:14.680
<v Speaker 1>month before Taiyere's death.

444
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that doesn't seem like that would be someone who

445
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>would do something like this, but hey, hey, weirder things

446
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:20.680
<v Speaker 2>have happened.

447
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, you're throwing that down right now. You don't

448
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.279
<v Speaker 1>think it's him, Well, I.

449
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't know a lot, but it's just like, I don't know.

450
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.440
<v Speaker 2>He he's probably happy, like they just had it.

451
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know.

452
00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:34.839
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say they just had a baby, but

453
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe life is actually a bit rough at that stage

454
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:38.279
<v Speaker 2>and you never.

455
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Know what's going on behind closed doors too, right, No,

456
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.559
<v Speaker 1>you don't. So Anyways, at the time, Roman worked as

457
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>a handyman for a contractor involved in the refurbishment of

458
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the school. So that's why he was there. Okay. Now,

459
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:54.799
<v Speaker 1>being an immigrant, he couldn't yet legally work, but he

460
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't need an income, so he did receive cash payments

461
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>for his services and tried to stay out of trouble.

462
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Does that add any more layer to you believing if

463
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>he did it or not.

464
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, I'm still thinking no.

465
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay. So, as his wife discovered the limitations of

466
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>his visa, she urged him to pursue an Israeli citizenship,

467
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 1>a process which he was in the middle of when

468
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 1>his world would unravel in the arrest. There was an

469
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate drawback in the current situation that want to make

470
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.519
<v Speaker 1>a point of here as well. Roman was proficient in

471
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Russian and was struggling with his Hebrew, and faced a

472
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:36.039
<v Speaker 1>language barrier in his interaction with authorities, which made conversations

473
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and understanding a little bit difficult. And I'm sure on

474
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>both ends as well, totally yep. So suspicion on Roman

475
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.319
<v Speaker 1>only intensified when police sought to seize the clothes he

476
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.400
<v Speaker 1>wore the day of Tiger's murder, only to be told

477
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 1>that Roman had thrown them out, thrown them out, he

478
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>got rid of them, he threw them out.

479
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, gosh, I guess it depends what he was

480
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 2>doing that day. What if he was painting, and like, god, well,

481
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.759
<v Speaker 2>I keep thinking these things and then I'm like, Okay,

482
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 2>you probably wouldn't throw them out because you're just gonna

483
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>get them dirty like the next day. But who knows

484
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.400
<v Speaker 2>if they're ripped or you know, they needed to be

485
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:11.880
<v Speaker 2>thrown out.

486
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>It could also be a red flag. Could also be

487
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:16.359
<v Speaker 1>covered in blood very much.

488
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>So. Yeah. Well.

489
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<v Speaker 1>During the extended interrogation, Roman denied any involvement into the

490
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.039
<v Speaker 1>entire year's killing, expressing confusion over his arrest and while

491
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.799
<v Speaker 1>he was even there. Simultaneously, investigators combed through his home,

492
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>discovering pornography on his computer. Initially believed to feature underage individuals,

493
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>but closer examination revealed that all the women were of

494
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>appropriate age, just young ish, so they were appropriate age.

495
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>There was nothing illegal going on there. Roman also, though,

496
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 1>had an extensive knife collection and was prominently displayed in

497
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 1>his house, which is another point of interest for police

498
00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>given the nature of tires.

499
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.640
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I feel like a lot of men

500
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:03.599
<v Speaker 2>enjoy knives.

501
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've got I've got a knife on my hip

502
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>right now. It's just my daily carry that I like

503
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 1>generally just open letters with and stuff. If I need

504
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>a knife, I got one, yeap. So the overlap between

505
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 1>romans knives and the weapons used in the murder, coupled

506
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>with the possible witness statements from the school's psychologists who

507
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>confused him with maybe the gardener, all of this together

508
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:30.319
<v Speaker 1>prolonged in so I resulted in a prolonged custody. Now

509
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the plot thickened as police, who were desperate for a breakthrough,

510
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>resorted to some shady tactics that blurred the lines of

511
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a truth. This one I absolutely hate. It's bullshit in

512
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.400
<v Speaker 1>my opinion opinion, but whatever, we'll go over this. So

513
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>they leaked unconfirmed information to the media purposefully. They falsely

514
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.519
<v Speaker 1>claimed that Romans DNA matched samples that were found at

515
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene, a detail that was not yet validated

516
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>by pending results from testing that was going on over

517
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>in America. So there were three hair samples that were

518
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>found on Tier's body, Okay, and they're claiming that before

519
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the results even back, your DNA has been found at

520
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene, and they leaked it to the public.

521
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is so bad because if it isn't him, Like,

522
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:25.680
<v Speaker 2>how do you go back to having a normal life

523
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>after something like that?

524
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Right, So, in this calculated, apparently calculated move, I don't

525
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.319
<v Speaker 1>know who calculated it. They got their math wrong, I

526
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 1>can tell you that. But anyways, in this move, interrogator

527
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 1>seized this opportunity on the fabricated revelation, if you will,

528
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 1>and employed this as a tool to course a confession

529
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 1>from Roman. Oh yeah, they persistently. He was denying any involvement,

530
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and Roman found himself in a relentless battle of wills

531
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>against the interrogators. The psychological pressure escalated as they insisted

532
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>on the alleged DNA match. They're like, we have your DNA.

533
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, like you were there, We have your DNA

534
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 1>at the crime scene. The science has given us irrefutable proof.

535
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 2>And still like even when they're chatting with him, they

536
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 2>still have no idea.

537
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Oh my god, yeah, okay, they found hairs. They

538
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>haven't even gotten results back yet. They've just sent the

539
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>samples off and they're like, we have proof.

540
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is so bad.

541
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Roman maintained his innocence. He's like, I'm being framed.

542
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I must be. That's the only way you could have

543
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 1>my DNA and the crime scene. Then, and the interrogators

544
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>dismissed this whole idea, basically reminding him that this is Israel,

545
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 1>not the KGB controlled territory that he's used to or

546
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>thinking of, and such tactics are apparently beneath them, which

547
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>clearly maybe not so much, yeah, because there is clearly

548
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>manipulation of evidence going on right here.

549
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean you can kind of understand sometimes they do

550
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>some stuff like that when it's just in the interrogation process,

551
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not saying is right, but then to actually

552
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 2>like put it to the public where like, yeah, his

553
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.240
<v Speaker 2>wife or whatever is going to see this in his

554
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 2>family and stuff like.

555
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Gosh, you're right. It's one thing to say it in

556
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>a contained room to the individual to see if they'll react. Yeah,

557
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that's one thing. Yeah, but you're right to leak this

558
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 1>to the public on purpose before you even have any

559
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of confirmation.

560
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 2>What is the point of that even, really.

561
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know now. Roman then recalled in this interrogation.

562
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>He did say, well, I do kind of recall maybe

563
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>stepping in some blood in the boy's toilet like bathroom

564
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>at the school, but he was like oblivious of any

565
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 1>sort of implication. He's like, Oh, it's like just something

566
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.599
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, like once in a while, there's dots

567
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>of blood or any urine or feces. Who knows the bathroom, right, Yeah.

568
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I kind of have a nose blade or something exactly.

569
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, I might have stepped in some blood

570
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 1>in the boy's bathroom, basically is what he's after. Since

571
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't confess, though, he was sent to a holding

572
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.079
<v Speaker 1>cell where he was basically just you know, they're sent

573
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>to think on it. They're like, you're going to confess,

574
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 1>like because we have you.

575
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. You almost wonder if at that point

576
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of technically they can hold him that.

577
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

578
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.

579
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Roman. However, when he was sent to the cell was

580
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 1>unwittingly sharing his space with an informant contracted by the police.

581
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Okay, they're pretty confident they are.

582
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, this informant was tasked with, of course, extracting

583
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>a confession, and he was also enticed with financial reward,

584
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 1>one that we were talking about just recently on another episode.

585
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, Roman spent a total of eight days with

586
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 1>this informant locked in the cell, and the informant was

587
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>faced with Roman's unwavering insistence that he was innocent. So

588
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the informant decided to alter his approach. He played on

589
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Roman's fears, suggesting that a life sentence awaited him if

590
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>blood out evidence was found. However, a confession might lead

591
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to a lesser sentence of just six to seven years

592
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>for manslaughter. Oh jeez. So he's basically saying, if you don't,

593
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 1>if you're maintaining your innocence and they've got DNA to

594
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>tie you there, yeah you're screwed. That's a life sentence.

595
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 1>But but if you just you know, just admit it,

596
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 1>just say it was you, just confess.

597
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>It's much shorter.

598
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>It's much shorter, and much shorter of a sentence as well,

599
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>or not just sentence, but a conviction becau it's no

600
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>longer murdered manslaughter. So under the informants relentless pressure, Roman

601
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 1>succumbed and the two actually crafted a confession together.

602
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, seriously, yes.

603
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>So Roman portrayed himself as an angry immigrant grappling with

604
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 1>a sense of alienation from Israel. According to the coarse narrative,

605
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>on the day of Tier's murder, he succumbed to a

606
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 1>fit of rage, with Taier becoming an unattended victim of

607
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 1>his outburst. He claimed to have blacked out, creating a

608
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>narrative that hinted at a violet temper and a history

609
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 1>of actions He couldn't remember, a history that included a

610
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 1>violent incident involving his brother in the past, and Roman

611
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>even went on the record saying to authorities, quote, maybe

612
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I did kill her. It is possible. Huh, Okay, all

613
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>under this coercion.

614
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like the killer would have known her,

615
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>is the sense that I'm getting. But okay, carry on.

616
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're still maintaining that you think Roman's innocent.

617
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

618
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>That question alone can put doubt in your mind, can't it?

619
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Kind of but it's like.

620
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Don't, don't. I'm just trying to see where your head's at.

621
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Don't let me influence it.

622
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>He's maintained his innocence for so long and then this

623
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 2>person's just like getting to him. I'm saying that he's

624
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>still innocent.

625
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah. Well. Roman began to question his own

626
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>innocence as he internalized the relentless claims made by the interrogators.

627
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 1>They're just being like, you did it, ye did it,

628
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>you did it. We have DNA, we have DNA, even

629
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 1>though they don't they have no evidence.

630
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, at that point, I feel like almost anyone would.

631
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Probably, I mean, the persistent barrage of accusations combined with

632
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 1>the false assrotations of the DNA, it would lead anyone's doubt,

633
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and it certainly led him to doubt his own recollections.

634
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 1>But it all just baffled Roman. He could actually remember

635
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 1>that day. He remembered finishing work late in the afternoon,

636
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.519
<v Speaker 1>well after Taiyere was last seen, even and he remembers

637
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>no blood on him. His decision to actually discard his clothes,

638
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.079
<v Speaker 1>his pants specifically, was driven from the fact that they

639
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>were too short and they were uncomfortable. Oh okay, he's like,

640
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I hate these pants. I'm I'm just throwing them out

641
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and getting rid of them.

642
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 2>And it was just a real shitty day to do that.

643
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. There was no presence of blood on him as

644
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 1>far as he remembers.

645
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Huh. And you think at some point or someone would

646
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>notice or something, because like you would have blood on you, yeah,

647
00:34:58.960 --> 00:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

648
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately the police just had their I mean, they

649
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>had their teeth sunk into them at this point. They

650
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>were eager to basically try and strengthen their case.

651
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because to them it just made sense kind of thing.

652
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 1>So what they did next they convinced him to reenact

653
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the events on December sixth, So they already had him confessing, right,

654
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So they they walked him through the school. They are like,

655
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>reenact this, reenact when you killed Tyer. So they actually

656
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>filmed this excursion through Golan Heights High School and showcased

657
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>his narrative of the murder, providing what seemed like, of course,

658
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 1>a slam dunk for the prosecution, right, like, we got

659
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 1>a confession, We've got him on video walking through the

660
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 1>school showing us how he murdered her. Oh my gosh yay.

661
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So at a press conference, the police proudly announced Roman's

662
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>confession and the reenactment branding him as the killer. Through

663
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and through. The motive that they proposed was a trivial altercation.

664
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Tayer allegedly insulted Roman atter he refused to share a cigarette,

665
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>prompting him to follow her into the bathroom and commit murder.

666
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, Okay, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.

667
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Not at all? Taier's family is on your side. They

668
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 1>were not convinced. They yearned for concrete forensic evidence, the

669
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.039
<v Speaker 1>like where's the proof, where's the evidence? Yeah, apparently there's

670
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 1>this DNA evidence that you leak to the public and

671
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>said out there, like what is let's see this. Their

672
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 1>gut feeling rejected that Roman was any sort of true perpetrator,

673
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 1>that he had any part in this. Friends and family

674
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>also emphasized that Taiyir ever smoked, making the suggested motive

675
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 1>like pretty much impossible. Yeah. I mean, of course, individuals

676
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 1>can have habits and whatever behind people's backs. I get that,

677
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 1>But it was friends and family, so I'm assuming school

678
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>friends and family. Yeah, someone would probably know. Yeah. Now,

679
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Tayr would also insult someone, especially an

680
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>older individual, contradicted her nature as well and who she was.

681
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>She was a very soft, loving, caring individual that was

682
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>not of her nature. So that kinda is basically throwing

683
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 1>that theory out the window.

684
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because like insulted him for really no reason. Yeah,

685
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't make.

686
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Sense exactly, Can I have a smoke? No, and just

687
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>goes off the rails Like that doesn't sound like someone

688
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 1>that we talked about at the beginning here.

689
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean, grant you, she was acting different

690
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.199
<v Speaker 2>that day.

691
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 1>True. Actually, that's a very good point. That's very good. Now,

692
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the family stood against this whole narrative, and they demanded

693
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a thorough examination of evidence that would reveal that they

694
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 1>were sure would reveal the truth. Now, Lana Rata, her mother,

695
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>had suspicions of her daughter's killer, existing within Tier's close

696
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 1>knit circle of friends. Over time, she unraveled unsettling details

697
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 1>that some students at the school were allegedly part of

698
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a Satanic cult, raising fears that Taier might have fallen

699
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>dictum to a ritualistic killing. And I mean we hear

700
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 1>that all the time, Satanic, Satanic. I think that's a

701
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>fallback answer if I'm being.

702
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Honest, possibly, but just the thought of that's fricking terrifying.

703
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 1>I agree, But I also do think that if anyone

704
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>is going to and this is just my opinion, Okay,

705
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>this is just my feeling, I feel like anyone who

706
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 1>is probably going to be doing a Satanic ritualistic killing,

707
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.119
<v Speaker 1>it's most likely someone of adolescent age. Any case we've

708
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 1>covered in the past where it has been Satanic, it

709
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>is of that adolescent age because you are more malleable,

710
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, You're more likely to believe

711
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 1>in something like that.

712
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, trying to fit in, or finally kind of feeling

713
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 2>like you're finding your circle and you're going to do

714
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 2>whatever you need to.

715
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, or looking up to a certain idol for whatever reason,

716
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 1>like the insane clown post that we've talked about in

717
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 1>a couple different cases, individuals look up to their music,

718
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 1>and those artists their music talks about killings, so they

719
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>go through and like, oh, I'm just like these guys,

720
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do a killing. Two it's usually some

721
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>very younger, impressionable, malleable individual. So I think if a

722
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 1>satanic cult situation could be the case, a situation like

723
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 1>this where it is a younger individual could be where

724
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 1>the puzzle would fit. Yeah. So Roman's wife sought the

725
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>legal expertise of the Dynamic duo defense Gail and David Spiegel.

726
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 1>After a thorough examination in the case, the attorneys became

727
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>convinced that he was an innocent man and that he

728
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 1>was coerced into confessing to a murder that he did

729
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>not commit. The trial commenced on July second, two thousand

730
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.679
<v Speaker 1>and seven, with the prosecution altering its theory about the

731
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>motives of the murder. I mean, they said, hey, it

732
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was the smoke. She insulted him, right, and then they

733
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>heard the backlash, They're like, let's change that theory.

734
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's not how shit works.

735
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's what they did now. They claimed that

736
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Roman's violent reactions stemmed from childhood sexual abuse in Ukraine.

737
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 1>It was triggered by the constant pestering from school kids.

738
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 1>So no longer it was pestering from Taiir in one instant,

739
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>it was just constant from all the kids. Also, he

740
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 1>could sexual trauma as a kid, So the prosecution face

741
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a significant setback. Apart from that, sorry, when the light

742
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>of the DNA results from the crime scene did not

743
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>actually match Romans. Okay, yeah, so it came to lights

744
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that they're caught in like a giant lie. Yeah, not

745
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>only a lie. They were like, oh, okay, we said

746
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 1>that we didn't have the results yet. Oh also the

747
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>DNA doesn't match them when the results did come in.

748
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 2>And we're also changing the reasoning that.

749
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 1>We think correct this the motive. Yeah, that is messed up.

750
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 1>It is. The defense attorneys dissected the prosecution's claims they

751
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 1>picked him apart, basically emphasizing the small and closed space. Actually,

752
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 1>this one's interesting to me. The small space of the

753
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 1>crime scene being the bathroom stall. Right. Picture being in

754
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 1>a bathroom stall. This is where a violent murder would

755
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>take place. They didn't have any of Roman's fingerprints, they

756
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't have any of his blood, his DNA, his hair's nothing.

757
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Picture being in a gymnasium. Your hands are not going

758
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 1>to touch the walls, especially if you're struggling against with someone.

759
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you've got someone half your size, but still. But now,

760
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 1>picture being in an enclosed space. Your hands are probably

761
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>going to touch the walls very easy.

762
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, you would think there'd be something. And

763
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>then I also this is just a thought I had.

764
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 2>But you think that you would kind of be able

765
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 2>to tell the size potentially, because like going through friends,

766
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of tell size, maybe the height or whatever,

767
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the how tall the person is, where.

768
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 1>The fingerprints are, Yeah, the size of the fingerprints.

769
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 2>So I feel right, I feel like they would be

770
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>able to know for a little bit more clear if

771
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 2>it was him or not.

772
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, there was no trace of him in that

773
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 1>stall whatsoever.

774
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

775
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So despite an exhaustive search of Romans home, including

776
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 1>dis mantling the washing machine in search of praises of blood,

777
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 1>there was still no connection to him, or tire or

778
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene what soever. Nothing.

779
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't feel like they even had the right

780
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>to have.

781
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Held him for some so the defense also presented a

782
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 1>solid alibi for Roman, pointing to the timeline that placed

783
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 1>him at the school gate speaking on his cell phone

784
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>at two twenty three pm, with two security guards as

785
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.760
<v Speaker 1>a witness seeing him there. Now pathologist estimate that the

786
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 1>time of the death. Between the time of death for

787
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Tier was between one thirty PM and two PM, during

788
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 1>which Roman was away, returning to the school yard at

789
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.480
<v Speaker 1>one thirty and later seen at the school cafeteria at

790
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 1>two pm without any signs of dirt or blood. Hmm, okay,

791
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 1>so people did see him with no blood. The prosecution

792
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 1>dismissed the alibi and simply pointed to the confession as

793
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>key as the key to the case.

794
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Of course they did, yep.

795
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 1>The defense, of course, persisted highlighting the flaws in what

796
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 1>they deemed Roman's coerced confession. So they're like, hey, is

797
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 1>confession is the key, and then the defense is like, yeah,

798
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>coerced confession. The reenactment of the crime was a pivotal

799
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 1>moment in the case, where they walked him through the

800
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.039
<v Speaker 1>school recounting the events, and like, as I mentioned, also

801
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.119
<v Speaker 1>videotaped it. So they're walking him through the halls. They've

802
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 1>got like a squad of authorities, They've got a camera

803
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>on him this whole time, and he's leading them through, right.

804
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 2>And I'm imagining this is just not matching the scene whatsoever.

805
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, it revealed a troubling array of inaccuracies. You're right, yeah, yeah.

806
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>It also suggested manipulative tactics by investigators. So Roman was

807
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>guided by leading questions on the videotape. It's recorded, so

808
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:06.400
<v Speaker 1>he provided details that ultimately contradicted known facts about the murder,

809
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and when he did seem to actually give proper facts,

810
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>it was because the investigators led him in that direction.

811
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 1>So say, for example, I'm just gonna choosing a random

812
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>fact about anything. So I'll just say, right now, I'm

813
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 1>drinking a beer. Okay, I am drinking a genuine draft beer. Okay,

814
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 1>say it's actually I pa. I'm like, oh, it's genuine

815
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.320
<v Speaker 1>draft beer. Now you're like, are you sure it's genuine

816
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 1>draft is? Don't you like stuff that's a little bit

817
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>more better? Well, yeah, I drink some more pale ales.

818
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.639
<v Speaker 1>But don't you like that one that starts with an I?

819
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, India paleols. Sorry, do you like drinking India paleos? Yeah?

820
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I like drinking a lot of India paleofs. Okay, So

821
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>there we go. Like that's the sort of tactics they're

822
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>doing and leading him into these answers.

823
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, and they are literally thinking that this

824
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 2>is going to be used as evidence that he did

825
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 2>this correct.

826
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so wait, it gets even worse.

827
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 2>This is wild, but okay.

828
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Police asserted that he possessed, of course, information only the

829
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 1>murderer would know, and this includes the precise location of

830
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>where he stood during the act. However, a careful review

831
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>of the interrogation tapes continuing on expose the stark reality

832
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>these tactics continued. Every piece of privileged information on that

833
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>tape was fed to him by investigators. He knew none

834
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of it without the investigators leading them to those answers.

835
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Not a piece was he able to provide without that, what.

836
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>The actual shit? This doesn't make any sense because you

837
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.840
<v Speaker 2>think they would just want to figure out who actually

838
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>did it, you'd think, And then I don't know. They

839
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like they almost just they want to just like

840
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>pit it on someone act or solved and like move on.

841
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know how I said that, The police

842
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 1>said he talked about how he stood over her body

843
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 1>and everything, right, Yeah, Well, when he was asked about

844
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and this is on the tape, when he was asked

845
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>about the position he left Tier's body in Roman initially

846
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 1>inaccurately depicted her lying on the floor, whereas her body

847
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 1>was actually slumped over the closed toilet, completely different position.

848
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 2>And that would be something that you would not get

849
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 2>wrong if you did.

850
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It correct, which, of course, again guided by officers, he

851
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>eventually corrected this mistake and said the correct, correct answer, Wow. Yeah.

852
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.440
<v Speaker 1>He was also unable to accurately pinpoint where Tier was cut.

853
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>He guessed the torso below the waist, failing to mention

854
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a very significant cut that was on her wrist that

855
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 1>they were really hoping to hear from. He also claimed

856
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 1>to have used a smooth blade, a smooth utility knife specifically,

857
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 1>but the autopsy conclusively identified a serrated knife as the

858
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 1>murder weapon. Oh my gosh, yep, now the biggest one

859
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 1>of all on this video. I saved this one for

860
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 1>last because it's like the cherry on top of this,

861
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, what the fuck on video? Roman led investigators

862
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to the wrong bathroom initially. Okay.

863
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I was literally wondering that. I was like, he probably

864
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even know no what stall, what bathroom?

865
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Whatever? Well, hold on, get this. He led them to

866
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the wrong bathroom initially, and only after guidance was he

867
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 1>able to identify the actual correct bathroom, and once inside

868
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the right bathroom, he was easily able to identify the

869
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.159
<v Speaker 1>correct stall because there was crime scene tape all around it.

870
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay, okay, So.

871
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 1>They then in the bathroom put him in the stall

872
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 1>to demonstrate how he got out of the locked stall,

873
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 1>because the door was left closed locked. Remember, so he

874
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>got in there locked, and he hopped over the door

875
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>of the stall, Okay, which evidence suggests it was not

876
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 1>over the door, it was over the wall of the stall. Huh.

877
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>And then and for sure you think, well, I mean,

878
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 2>unless they were wearing gloves or whatever. I guess, but

879
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.679
<v Speaker 2>you'd think there would be some sort of fingerprints or something.

880
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but none of his fingerprints, Like if he climbed

881
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 1>over the stall, his fingerprints would be in there.

882
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:18.559
<v Speaker 2>They're not unless he was wearing gloves.

883
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, but there's no evidence of

884
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>him in there whatsoever. Also, climbing over the stall, there's

885
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 1>a good chance of things like shoeprints, Yeah, especially in

886
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 1>blood in a clothes spot like that.

887
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm also just like shook that no one, no one

888
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 2>heard this going down.

889
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>But okay, Well, I did mention the idea of a shoeprint,

890
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and the prosecution did contend that a bloody footprint on

891
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Tier's jeans matched Roman's shoes. However, the absence of blood

892
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 1>on his actual shoes raised a lot of doubts.

893
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, if they found that said pair of shoes

894
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 2>and there was no blood on there.

895
00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, correct, no blood. Okay, member, they even checked his

896
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 1>washing machine, yeah blood.

897
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

898
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 1>So given the gruesome scene, it seems let's say, implausible

899
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that he could have been in the bathroom stall without

900
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>blood transfer on his shoes, fingerprints, whatever. The case, DNA

901
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 1>and the reenactment, far from solidifying the case against him,

902
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 1>raised more questions about the accuracy and reliability of the confession,

903
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>pointing to a potential coercion and misinformation.

904
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they really have nothing.

905
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>They don't. But despite the lack of conclusive evidence linking

906
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 1>roman Zadarrov to the crime, he was eventually convicted of

907
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 1>tier Rada's murder. Oh my gosh. Really hey, yeah, with

908
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a court deeming his statements riddled with lies and manipulation. Additionally,

909
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 1>he faced charges of conviction for obstruction of the police investigation.

910
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, yeah, so there he's guilty. Prized.

911
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Was there like a jury or what, because like you think.

912
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, it's court. There would have been a jury.

913
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 2>You would think that they wouldn't. I don't know unless

914
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 2>there's I don't know this this I'm a little bit

915
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 2>just thrown for a loop here you baffled. I am

916
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 2>very baffled, fair enough.

917
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.119
<v Speaker 1>I can understand why this one. When researching this, my

918
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.599
<v Speaker 1>jaw was constantly on the floor and I'm like picking

919
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 1>it up with my hands, like I swear. I'm just like,

920
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.159
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, what the actual f is happening.

921
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a chance that he could have done it,

922
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just in the back of my head, I'm

923
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.199
<v Speaker 2>just like, gosh, if he didn't, like, please tell me

924
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.880
<v Speaker 2>that they did find who did eventually or something, because

925
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 2>if they don't know, I feel like I'm gonna just rage.

926
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, well we'll carry on, That's what I'll say, okay.

927
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Tiger's mother was initially she initially found solace, let's say,

928
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:58.079
<v Speaker 1>in the guilty verdict, lying on his confession the allege

929
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>footprint for evidence to kind of a firm that belief right. However,

930
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 1>her perspective changed in the subsequent months. In that same

931
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>year as Roman's conviction, Lana filed a petition urging authorities

932
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 1>to reopen the investigation into her daughter's death, but the

933
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:19.639
<v Speaker 1>plea was denied. In twenty ten, four years after his arrest,

934
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Roman would receive a life sentence for his crime. The

935
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:30.519
<v Speaker 1>three judge panel, led by Judge Yitzak Cohen, maintained that

936
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>there remained no doubt about romans Zetaroff's responsibility for Tier's death.

937
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Huh yeah, okay, so you think he's guilty. Do you

938
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 1>still think he's sorry innocent? Do you still think he's innocent?

939
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:51.559
<v Speaker 2>They found him guilty, Okay, sorry, in twenty ten, did

940
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>they reopen it or it was just like went to.

941
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Some that was sentencing. So in twenty ten, yeah, in

942
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, four years after the the arrest, it was

943
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 1>it was sentencing and he received a life sentence.

944
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's hard, Like you don't you don't

945
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 2>want to doubt the justice system, you know. Yeah, but

946
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:16.519
<v Speaker 2>then it doesn't really seem like there's any hardcore evidence

947
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:17.280
<v Speaker 2>that would.

948
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>There's not a single piece of evidence nothing. The only

949
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 1>thing they have is the confession.

950
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Well and the shoe print though like print, yes, yeah,

951
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 2>was that literally the same kind of size and like

952
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 2>he had these shoes, Like that's a little that's something

953
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:36.079
<v Speaker 2>that's a little bit off to me.

954
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll touch on the shoe print a little later, okay, okay, okay,

955
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So following the sentencing, Uh, Lana publicly expressed the whole

956
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>distrust in the court, the prosecution, the police. She shifted

957
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>her beliefs, basically saying that Tayer might have fallen victim

958
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 1>to this satanic ritual that she's believing. Yeah, determined to

959
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.519
<v Speaker 1>un cover the truth, she voiced her commitment to finding

960
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.400
<v Speaker 1>her daughter's real murderer.

961
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I do like this, Like she she hasn't got

962
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:07.719
<v Speaker 2>feeling and she.

963
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Does not give up. No's She's like Roman's not the guys.

964
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.519
<v Speaker 1>She knows something else is going on. Wow, that's where

965
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>she's she's at. And even I'm sure watching this court

966
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.519
<v Speaker 1>case unfold, because I guarantee you she's sitting there in

967
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom. There's no evidence on this guy. I'm last

968
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:29.360
<v Speaker 1>year talking about the potential's footprint and the potential confession.

969
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 1>There's no DNA, there's no fingerprints, there's no eyewitness, there's nothing.

970
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's really hard to actually pin something when you

971
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:38.679
<v Speaker 1>don't have those things.

972
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Because the one eyewitness that they did have witness someone else, right,

973
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and this guy.

974
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Just correct, they look similar, correct? Like what? So Roman's

975
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>legal team continue to fight for justice. In March of

976
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:56.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, the court agreed to hear an expert testimony

977
00:53:56.079 --> 00:54:01.320
<v Speaker 1>in his defense. Pathologist doctor Maya form it Resnick took

978
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to the stand and provided insight into the murder weapon

979
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:09.039
<v Speaker 1>and the trauma injuries in tiers two tiers head Sorry,

980
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.719
<v Speaker 1>doctor Foreren. Resnick contradicted Roman's confession. This is kind of

981
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>something we already touched on, but this is another professional

982
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 1>speaking upon it now, asserting that the marks on Tier's

983
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 1>face were unequivocally made by a serrated knife, not a

984
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 1>smooth utility knife that Roman had claimed. Now, the defense

985
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 1>also brought a second expert with witness, and this is

986
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.760
<v Speaker 1>where we're going to talk about that footprint. That witness

987
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.760
<v Speaker 1>was Bill Bosniak, a footprint expert who flew in to

988
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.920
<v Speaker 1>study the alleged bloody footprint on Tier's genes at the

989
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 1>forensics lab. Now, Bosniak's analysts, sorry, analysis yielded a surprising conclusion.

990
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.639
<v Speaker 1>What do you think he thought of this footprint, this

991
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 1>bloody footprint on Tier's genes that matched Roman's shoes.

992
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking it's probably not gonna be the same size

993
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 2>or something.

994
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Even Well, what was initially considered a footprint turned out

995
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 1>to be an imprint of her cell phone inside the

996
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:15.440
<v Speaker 1>gene pocket of her pants. What the shit? Yes, it

997
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.559
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even a footprint, correct. Okay, that's what Bill Bosniak,

998
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the X the footprint expert they flew in, testified. He's like,

999
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 1>this isn't even a fucking footprint. This is an imprint

1000
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of the cell phone inside her genes.

1001
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that doesn't make any sense.

1002
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.360
<v Speaker 1>So potentially, potentially she leaned up against something with blood

1003
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>or someone with blood on them leaned up against her

1004
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and imprinted on that cell phone.

1005
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, Well, I wasn't not expecting that. I was

1006
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.280
<v Speaker 2>thinking it was a footprint because they said it was

1007
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:49.719
<v Speaker 2>a footprint. I was just thinking it probably belonged to

1008
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 2>someone else.

1009
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.519
<v Speaker 1>No, this professional, this expert says it's not a footprint.

1010
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of this, and contrary to the evidence pointing away

1011
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>from Romans and this whole footprint, the court dismissed the

1012
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 1>experts testimony and remained unconvinced. The judge relied on his

1013
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 1>own eyes, basically said that he could tell from here

1014
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.119
<v Speaker 1>that that mark of the genes is clearly a footprint.

1015
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Well why is there, Like, what's the point of having

1016
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:17.719
<v Speaker 2>experts and stuff?

1017
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Exactly? The judge is looking across the courtroom at a photo. Nah, dude,

1018
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a footprint, very wrong. Yeah, you went in the

1019
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 1>lab and analyzed it.

1020
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Nah, there has I'm almost thinking there's like some sort

1021
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 2>of politicalness to this now that people don't want to

1022
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:38.360
<v Speaker 2>go against you know, what has already been sentenced and stuff.

1023
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Public support for Roman, of course, was phenomenal, and

1024
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it gained momentum with the establishment of a Facebook group

1025
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven dedicated to seeking Justice for taier Rada.

1026
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:56.280
<v Speaker 1>The group served as a platform for social protest against

1027
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the conviction of the wrong men and aimed to uncover

1028
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the identity of the actual killer. So even the public

1029
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, this is not, like, what's going on, This

1030
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 1>isn't the deuth.

1031
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, this man he's missing all of his like his

1032
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:12.639
<v Speaker 2>child growing up.

1033
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, his kid was born a month before this. Oh

1034
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, that makes me sick. Yeah. The case was

1035
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.880
<v Speaker 1>also brought to TV in a four part documentary series

1036
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:26.480
<v Speaker 1>titled Shadow of Truth, which was released in twenty sixteen.

1037
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 1>The series unveiled a startlingk confession of an anonymous man

1038
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 1>identified only as a.

1039
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:40.400
<v Speaker 2>H seriously a confession from someone else who did it.

1040
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:47.239
<v Speaker 1>A confession According to Ah, his high school ex girlfriend,

1041
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.079
<v Speaker 1>identified as Ak, had confessed to him that she was

1042
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:58.559
<v Speaker 1>the one who killed Taiyir. Both Ah and Ak had

1043
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 1>graduated from the same school as Taiir by the time

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00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 1>of the murder, So they're already graduated from this school, okay,

1045
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>but they attended it okay. On the day of the killing,

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00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Ak allegedly showed a h her blood stained clothes, a wig,

1047
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.679
<v Speaker 1>and a murder weapon. A murder weapon that was a

1048
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>serrated hunting knife. Now, the story took a bizarre turn

1049
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:31.840
<v Speaker 1>as details about Ak emerged. She repurportedly harbored an obsession

1050
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 1>with blood and believed she was possessed by a she

1051
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 1>wolf that urged her to kill and disembowel people. Ak's

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00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:44.599
<v Speaker 1>pasted included witnessing gruesome violence as a child when her

1053
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 1>grandfather allegedly took her to battlefields, and allegedly her grandfather

1054
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 1>also hid her inside the carcass of a wolf or

1055
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 1>she speculated, potentially not even a wolf, but possibly a disemboweled,

1056
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 1>deceased human. Oh my, yeah, okay. Now, as she grew older,

1057
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Ak found solace in visualizing herself floating in a sea

1058
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 1>of blood.

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00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Mm I'm just sitting here just like pissed that, like

1060
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.599
<v Speaker 2>someone did this and just got has been like living

1061
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.559
<v Speaker 2>their life. Well, this man is locked away. I'm like,

1062
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm quite angry, right.

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00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:25.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm quite angry right now.

1064
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I am I am.

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00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 1>You Are you gonna like you're tearing up?

1066
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not tearing up. I just feel like pissed

1067
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 2>that It's just so annoying to me that people can

1068
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.679
<v Speaker 2>get away with shit like this. But anyway, I'm going

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00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>to continue listening.

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00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, to listen, well, continue to listen. We got

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00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 1>this now. Ak described the chilling details of the murder

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00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.119
<v Speaker 1>to a h She claimed to have worn a Golan

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00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Heights High School shirt to blend in one that she

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00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 1>would have pretending the uniform. They were wearing a uniform

1075
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and she graduated from there, so she would have had

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01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:02.559
<v Speaker 1>said uniform.

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01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:06.639
<v Speaker 1>So she was waiting for hours in the girl's restroom

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01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:10.400
<v Speaker 1>with the intention of killing the first girl who entered alone.

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01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. It was this like wrong place at

1081
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the wrong time.

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01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So when she spotted Taiyer alone, AKA allegedly forced her

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01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>into a toilet stall at knife point and committed the murder.

1084
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And strategically with toilet paper contained the blood. The confession

1085
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:32.199
<v Speaker 1>closely matched details provided by Lee, who the police earlier

1086
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 1>in the investigation the two young individuals. The two friends

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01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:40.159
<v Speaker 1>saw two people in the stall. Remember when they said

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01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>they heard a female voice respond that someone in there?

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01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow.

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01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 1>After the crime, Ak purportedly waited next to Tier's body

1091
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:54.480
<v Speaker 1>until the surroundings were quiet, climbed over the stall wall,

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01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.679
<v Speaker 1>changed out of her bloody clothes, and calmly walked out.

1093
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.880
<v Speaker 1>She then returned home, took a shower, cleaned up, and

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01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:06.199
<v Speaker 1>called a h gosh.

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01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And why is Ah not have confessed this much earlier?

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01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, like that is just that just makes me

1098
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.159
<v Speaker 2>just pissed because they would have known what the fuck

1099
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.519
<v Speaker 2>was going on. Yeh, that someone was literally in jail, yep,

1100
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and just like withheld this fucking information.

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01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>All I've got to say is, Yep, you're right. Everything

1102
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.079
<v Speaker 1>you said is right. Geez.

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01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 2>And also, like what a disturbing person to just do

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01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 2>that and then just like walk out.

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01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:44.119
<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh you good? Yeah, okay. Well, Roman's defense team,

1106
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:49.559
<v Speaker 1>of course, urged Ak's ex boyfriend Ah to undergo a

1107
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:54.719
<v Speaker 1>lie detector test on three separate occasions each I do

1108
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.519
<v Speaker 1>want to start by saying this. We do know that

1109
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:03.039
<v Speaker 1>lie detector tests are not crete evidence. However, each test

1110
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:10.639
<v Speaker 1>reportedly showed no signs of deception. Do they know who

1111
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:11.480
<v Speaker 1>this person is?

1112
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Like? Were they like talking to them?

1113
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.079
<v Speaker 1>You should watch the documentary series I think I want to. Yeah,

1114
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.800
<v Speaker 1>you should. Now, in light of this, the police arrested

1115
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 1>ak now, a blonde. She was blonde with fine features,

1116
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:33.639
<v Speaker 1>who adamantly denied any involvement in Taier's brutal murder. Aka

1117
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:38.360
<v Speaker 1>claimed her ex boyfriend Ah did not handle their breakup

1118
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.400
<v Speaker 1>very well and accused him of attempting to frame her.

1119
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.920
<v Speaker 1>She turned the narrative around, asserting that Ah was the

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01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.639
<v Speaker 1>one fascinated about blood and engaging in violent acts, further

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01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 1>accusing him of domestic violence and sexual abuse. So now

1122
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:55.079
<v Speaker 1>where do we stand?

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01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 2>No kidding? Well, also because I'm just thinking there's probably

1124
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 2>been more victims that's just popped in my head, which

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01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I hate.

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01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.719
<v Speaker 1>That thought there could be.

1127
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Because if they were just like one of them was

1128
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.199
<v Speaker 2>just doing this for fun, like yeah, probably not going

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01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to be one and done.

1130
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Now. Get this though, While under house arrest, Aka attempted

1131
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to assault her new boyfriend. While intoxicated, she showed up

1132
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:24.159
<v Speaker 1>at his dorm demanded sex, and when he refused, she

1133
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.960
<v Speaker 1>held a shard of glass to his throat. Wow. Yeah,

1134
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 1>this there was prompt intervention, thankfully by others in the dorm,

1135
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.599
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, it's a small area of noise travels.

1136
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.239
<v Speaker 1>People found out very quickly and they were able to

1137
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.199
<v Speaker 1>prevent any sort of harm from happening to the new boyfriend,

1138
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:46.119
<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure was very quickly an ex boyfriend. But

1139
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:50.159
<v Speaker 1>when police arrived, Ak resisted arrest, but later get this,

1140
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:57.400
<v Speaker 1>admitted to the allegations against her. She admitted to the

1141
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:02.239
<v Speaker 1>allegations of her being the one to murder Tai yeer Oh.

1142
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 2>She admitted to that. I was just thinking it was

1143
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.880
<v Speaker 2>like with this boyfriend thing, she admitted.

1144
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 1>She admitted, whoa yep.

1145
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Shit.

1146
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Although she was found unfit to stand trial for the

1147
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:21.679
<v Speaker 1>assaulting of her boyfriend, she was sent to a psychiatric

1148
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:28.559
<v Speaker 1>hospital without formal charges in that regard. Okay. Meanwhile, Ah,

1149
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the ex boyfriend, faced arrest for obstruction of justice and

1150
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:36.480
<v Speaker 1>sexual assault charges against Ak because she claimed this abuse

1151
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and everything.

1152
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 2>And he was also withhelding information.

1153
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, so during his custody now get this one.

1154
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.760
<v Speaker 1>The police pressured him to retract his testimony about Tai

1155
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Year's murder, offering to drop the charges against him if

1156
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:54.360
<v Speaker 1>he complied.

1157
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:56.559
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck.

1158
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Because they want roman They why they've got him behind bars.

1159
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't understand why they like dislike this person so.

1160
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Much, as you mentioned already. I don't think has anything

1161
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.519
<v Speaker 1>about dislike against him. I think it's just a matter

1162
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.519
<v Speaker 1>of not wanting to backtrack, not wanting to go back

1163
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:17.599
<v Speaker 1>or accepting they did wrong or anything like that. They're

1164
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.119
<v Speaker 1>just like, we got this guy, he's already been convicted,

1165
01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:22.679
<v Speaker 1>retract this statement, like make this go away.

1166
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's just terrible at your job though.

1167
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to sweep it under the rug. It is

1168
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.639
<v Speaker 1>very terrible at their job, like the worst. Yeah, your

1169
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.320
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement, your authorities, your investigators. Your job is to

1170
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 1>find the truth.

1171
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not justice for this little girl.

1172
01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're supposed to follow the evidence, and you have

1173
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:45.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence at hand. You now have two confessions, two and

1174
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:46.639
<v Speaker 1>you wanted.

1175
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.119
<v Speaker 2>To sweep it under the rug and carry on because.

1176
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:50.760
<v Speaker 1>One confessed and that's when you're going to just go

1177
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.480
<v Speaker 1>with without investigating the other or what you just want

1178
01:05:53.519 --> 01:06:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to get dropped anyways. Ah adamantly refused to drop the claims,

1179
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:05.519
<v Speaker 1>and after eleven days in custody, he was released without

1180
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.119
<v Speaker 1>yes without redacting his statement. Now, in a passionate response

1181
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.599
<v Speaker 1>when they were telling him to drop his statements, ah

1182
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 1>said this quote, I'm going to kill myself and write

1183
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:22.639
<v Speaker 1>in my blood that Ak killed taier Rada. If it

1184
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:25.239
<v Speaker 1>takes an explosion to let the public know that Ak

1185
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:32.280
<v Speaker 1>murdered taier Rada, I'm willing to be that explosion. Wow.

1186
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean he at this point, he just like

1187
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:35.800
<v Speaker 2>needs it to get out there.

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01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Now. Unfortunately, Shmuel Rada, Tier's father passed away

1189
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.760
<v Speaker 1>in January of twenty sixteen after battling cancer. The whole

1190
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:52.000
<v Speaker 1>profound grief and anger stemming from her death transformed him into, unfortunately,

1191
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:54.760
<v Speaker 1>a broken man, and he succumbed to illness the day

1192
01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:00.280
<v Speaker 1>after unveiling a synagogue named after Tier's memory in cats

1193
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Are in m That's really sad. Remarkably, at the close

1194
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen, new forensic evidence surfaced on the case.

1195
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 1>One of those foreign hairs discovered on Tiger's body, specifically

1196
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 1>like it was located on her stomach, was found to

1197
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:21.440
<v Speaker 1>match the DNA of A H. Oh really the ex boyfriend?

1198
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 1>The ex boyfriend, Yes, the one who came forward with

1200
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the confession regarding his ex girlfriend being murder shit.

1201
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, see I'm getting these a's mixed up here. So

1202
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:32.920
<v Speaker 2>was the boyfriend the boyfriend?

1203
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Shit? So this poses a question. Could A H be

1204
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the actual perpetrator or had he been accurate with his

1205
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.519
<v Speaker 1>claims from the start? I mean, given that Ah at

1206
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:50.679
<v Speaker 1>the time lived with Ak his ex girlfriend, the presence

1207
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of his hair being on her clothes when she con

1208
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:56.280
<v Speaker 1>made the crime, it's possible. It's a plausible explanation.

1209
01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow.

1210
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:05.000
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, there was a retrial for Roman

1211
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Zadaroff in the murder case of taijer Rada, and this

1212
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:16.159
<v Speaker 1>resulted in a complete acquittal of all charges, overturning previous

1213
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Speaker 1>convictions that had led to over a decade of imprisonment.

1214
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, I mean, it's so good that he's out, but gosh,

1215
01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:28.560
<v Speaker 2>that that is devastating that he spent that long.

1216
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:32.359
<v Speaker 1>In jail, No kidding, He missed the first at least

1217
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 1>ten years of maty mean, more than of his son's life. Wow.

1218
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:41.319
<v Speaker 1>The live broadcast of the verdict drew intense reactions, with

1219
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.800
<v Speaker 1>a two to one decision by the panel of three

1220
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.720
<v Speaker 1>judges at the Nazareth District Court.

1221
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 2>One of them still wanted him in jail.

1222
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Correct holy shit. Judges Asher Kula and Danny Safroti acquitted Roman,

1223
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:03.760
<v Speaker 1>while the third judge tomorrow Nasim Shahai, found him guilty.

1224
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Goodness gracious.

1225
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Now in the context of Ah, whose real name is

1226
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Adir Habani, well, I'm gonna continue saying Ah and Ak

1227
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:20.159
<v Speaker 1>because we're already committed on those and Ak, whose name

1228
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is Ola Cravenshiko. The Nazareth District Court ruled that the

1229
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:27.760
<v Speaker 1>hairs found on Tiger's body would be re examined. A

1230
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 1>hair with DNA possibly matching Ah, of course, raised questions,

1231
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:39.319
<v Speaker 1>but the examination did not provide conclusive evidence. Also, the

1232
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:45.960
<v Speaker 1>confession of Ak was ruled out. Why I'm assuming because

1233
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.560
<v Speaker 1>she went to psychiatric care. They're saying she wasn't a

1234
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 1>right mind.

1235
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:53.239
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, okay, And what about those two

1236
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:55.960
<v Speaker 2>other hairs? There was three hairs.

1237
01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I'mdetermined don't know who they matched to. Despite this, the

1238
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:07.840
<v Speaker 1>case remains unsolved to this day, leaving the identity of

1239
01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:12.760
<v Speaker 1>taier Rada's killer unknown, and the possibility that Tier took

1240
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.039
<v Speaker 1>this secret to the grave is a very real possibility.

1241
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.199
<v Speaker 2>You're shit and me, Hey, I for sure thought that

1242
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.479
<v Speaker 2>they would end up having this pinned.

1243
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Nope, that is the story of tayer Rada. We flew

1244
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:26.119
<v Speaker 1>through that information.

1245
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 2>That's a shit story, you think. So, yeah, I'm not

1246
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:37.359
<v Speaker 2>satisfied with that end. And it's also just devastating that

1247
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:42.600
<v Speaker 2>this like vibrant little girl just lost her life for yeah,

1248
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean not that anyone loses their life for

1249
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:48.880
<v Speaker 2>a reason, but there's like absolutely just no reason for this.

1250
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Now, I do want to talk about the idea on

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<v Speaker 1>that hair. That hair that was not conclusive. Apparently there

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<v Speaker 1>was and I didn't research on the exact details, but

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<v Speaker 1>there is apparently some sort of a match to a

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<v Speaker 1>h or was it ak the boyfriend the ex boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 1>There was a match, but it wasn't a strong enough

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<v Speaker 1>match to be presented as evidence in court. Apparently it

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<v Speaker 1>was some it was. It was a strong enough match

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<v Speaker 1>to apparently be worth defending yourself, but not to prosecute

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<v Speaker 1>an individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, well yeah, because I guess like people share

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<v Speaker 2>similar DNA characteristics or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure. Like I said, I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>into a deep dive on the hair DNA. What I

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<v Speaker 1>know is there was somewhat of a match, but it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't conclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like percentage or whatever. There's like a fifty probability

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a match, or like you hear that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe that's the case. I'm not sure. But what

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<v Speaker 1>we do know is that the hair was not conclusive

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be evidence to say this is a match.

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<v Speaker 1>What pisces me off is that Roman had a footprint

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<v Speaker 1>and a coerced confession. So we'll say he had a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence tying him to it, an alleged piece

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence. We had an alleged piece of evidence tying

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<v Speaker 1>him to the scene, and he had an alleged confession,

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<v Speaker 1>both alleged, both not real, and he served like fifteen years. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing the math, but it's around there. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We have, on the other hand, another alleged confession because

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<v Speaker 1>it was ruled out, it's still alleged, an alleged confession

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<v Speaker 1>and also alleged DNA. Yeah, so the same amount of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>One was convicted and served over a decade. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>other was just ruled out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just do it doesn't matter. Gosh, and my

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<v Speaker 2>question a whatever the chick. Did she have curly hair?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that one, but I do know if

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<v Speaker 1>she had blonde hair and fair features. That's what I recall.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought someone said they saw like this curly hair

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<v Speaker 2>person or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember allegedly she had a wig. Oh yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the boyfriend was saying, that she had a wig, right, Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>That could have been what an individual saw. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a wig.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I just like wanted to kill someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that might they have a fascination of what's

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<v Speaker 1>it feel like. There's so many cases out there where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I just want to know what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a fascination with death or blood viscer Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But my thought is just like, I mean, that would

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<v Speaker 2>only just like fuel the fire. You'd think it would, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know if you would do that and

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<v Speaker 2>then just like never kill again if it was something

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<v Speaker 2>that you were super you know, keen on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. We see that time and time

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<v Speaker 1>again in different cases that it only escalates further. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>right about it. In the case of many murderers, psychopaths,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever that start off with this fascination they go. They

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<v Speaker 1>start with animals, they torture and kill animals, and then

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, it escalates. They want to do it again

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<v Speaker 1>and again and again, and then bigger and more people.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it turns in to see if I can

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<v Speaker 1>get away with it, how long I can get away

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<v Speaker 1>with it? What can I do? And then it's tactics

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<v Speaker 1>on fucking with authorities, and it's this power trip too.

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<v Speaker 1>It never stops. It's a thirst, a fascination that just

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<v Speaker 1>hunger that needs more. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And so them just like not really, I mean maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they think they did the best they could, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, I don't really think they did. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like a disservice to humanity because other shit has

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<v Speaker 2>probably they have. Whoever did this is I I would

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<v Speaker 2>be like willing to bank a lot that they've done

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<v Speaker 2>harm to others.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably for sure. Yep. I don't doubt you on that whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're one hundred perc.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, which is just so disgusting to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Ith. Yeah, wow, so that was quite a case. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how long this episode was. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're over an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, good job on that one. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>ran for the hills from that one because like of

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<v Speaker 2>the name pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 1>So actually, they weren't too bad. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>got them all exactly right, but they weren't too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, well, yeah, you sound you did good, real good.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate that. Well, thank you guys for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully enjoyed this episode. If you want to check out

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<v Speaker 1>you're here, we appreciate that too. You're absolutely awesome in Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so until next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next week, stay Wicked.