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<v Speaker 1>All right, everyone, you know what it is. It's Cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>Peach Podcast and I have a very special guest lined

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<v Speaker 1>up for you today. I recently worked with him on

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<v Speaker 1>The Occult Rejects, so you may have already heard that episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's Rider Lee. How are you. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, Julia. Thanks for having me on. Really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Yeah, and I'm glad you liked my movie

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<v Speaker 2>and you watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched it a couple times actually, So it is

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<v Speaker 1>available on Amazon Prime and is it anywhere else? That's

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<v Speaker 1>where I've been watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can get it on Apple TV Plus and

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<v Speaker 2>you can also get it on to b Now, so

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<v Speaker 2>you got a few options there. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it was released in the UK also on Amazon Prime,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not like a worldwide thing. So now that

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<v Speaker 2>it's out on to be more countries that people live

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<v Speaker 2>in can now watch it if you can get the

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<v Speaker 2>TV apps. So yeah to b yeah on Prime and

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<v Speaker 2>Apple TV Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I love it obviously. I actually watched

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<v Speaker 1>the first two Kubrick's Odyssey that was Jay Widner and

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<v Speaker 1>then when I saw this one, my husband Colby, actually

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<v Speaker 1>I think has spoke to you about it from Conspiracy playtime.

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<v Speaker 1>We watched it together and yeah, we were both huge

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<v Speaker 1>fans of it right away. So I wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>you on ask you my own questions about it, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot to dive into there. But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I really first want to open up by saying, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a huge Kubrick fan, obviously, as you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tell from my background, But what what is he to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he a mad genius? Or is he like a

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy or a good guy, or like where who

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<v Speaker 1>is he to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I've always been a fan of filmmaking. I'm certified centiphile.

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<v Speaker 2>That's late when I grew up, like I would just

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<v Speaker 2>throw on a movie. It was like kind of my

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<v Speaker 2>escapism from you know, reality, and I always admired really

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<v Speaker 2>good filmmaking and Qubriic is definitely considered one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best filmmakers of all time, and just his cinematic style,

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<v Speaker 2>no one really does that anymore, right, It's all like

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<v Speaker 2>jump cuts. It's always don't let the shot hang on

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<v Speaker 2>anybody for too long, which is not the way that

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<v Speaker 2>it's You're supposed to tell a story through filmmaking, supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a story. You don't have to give everything

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<v Speaker 2>away in the exposition of the film, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake that a lot of modern movies make. Now. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't tell the story through the actual They don't let

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<v Speaker 2>the camera tell the story. They let the characters within

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<v Speaker 2>the story tell the story. That's a really big mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are a few directors nowadays that you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of lean in that direction more. They're starting to, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>with horror movies. It's kind of they're starting to not

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<v Speaker 2>give things away within the actual movie and let the

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<v Speaker 2>audience put two and two together. And that's what Cubreak is,

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<v Speaker 2>basically what the Shining is. It's the audience having to

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<v Speaker 2>put two and two together to create their own theory

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<v Speaker 2>of what's going on. And at the end of our movie,

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<v Speaker 2>at Clockwork Shining Kubric's Odyssey three, we have that audio

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<v Speaker 2>clip of Cubriic talking I don't know if you listen

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to the end during the credits, but

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about the reason why he doesn't do very

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<v Speaker 2>many interviews is because he doesn't want to tell the

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<v Speaker 2>audience what the movie is actually about. He wants the

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<v Speaker 2>audience to figure out what the movie means to them, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a really big deal within filmmaking because again

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<v Speaker 2>now it's not about that anymore. Now it's just giving

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<v Speaker 2>away the end. Though, like Long Legs, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you watch Long Legs with Nicholas Cage right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on my list. I haven't watched it yet, though.

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<v Speaker 2>It is good, well, it's really good up until about

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<v Speaker 2>the end when they tell you everything that's going on

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the entire movie. They don't give you anything because

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to figure it out, right, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>the movie is supposed to do. You're supposed to figure

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<v Speaker 2>things out as the movie goes along and then you

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<v Speaker 2>put it together and by the end you've realized what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. But they don't do that anymore. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>of an it's an attention span thing because people don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the attention to sit down and watching an hour

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<v Speaker 2>and forty five minute movie. They want to be playing

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<v Speaker 2>on their phone or doing whatever. But when I'm watching

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, it's like nothing else is going on, paying

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<v Speaker 2>one focus to the movie. But in the movie Long Legs,

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<v Speaker 2>they go through an hour and thirty minutes of this

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<v Speaker 2>movie and then at the end, right like right before

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting ready to end, they explain everything that happened

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the movie, and it just ruins it the right

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<v Speaker 2>when the audience could have they could have added a

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<v Speaker 2>few more scenes in there, and they the audience could

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<v Speaker 2>have put together exactly what's going on, and you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to tell everybody what happened through the movie. They

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<v Speaker 2>could piece it together on their own. And that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really big mistake. I would love to actually direct a

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<v Speaker 2>feature film with like actors and like do an actual film,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that I could do it really well,

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<v Speaker 2>not like horror genre or horror genre or like some

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<v Speaker 2>something psychological psychological movies, like mind bending movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't I feel like you'd be really good at that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just curious question, but how do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about Jordan Peel?

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<v Speaker 2>I do like Jordan Peele.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I do too. I was just curious because he is,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, a modern day storyteller with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that he's coming. I was just curious if you

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was any good, because I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But my people, I didn't really like candy Man, but

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<v Speaker 2>all of his other ones, Nope, Nope, was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was great. Get Out was really good. That

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<v Speaker 2>other one that he did that was like his next

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<v Speaker 2>mess Us, Yes, yeah, I was really good too. Like

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<v Speaker 2>when you have the formula for a psychological thriller mind

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<v Speaker 2>bending movie. I think that the the problem with directors

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<v Speaker 2>in like Hollywood is they think that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be too psychological to where the audience can't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the audience is way but that that encourages rewatchability.

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<v Speaker 2>Half the movies has come out in the modern day

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<v Speaker 2>have no rewatchability. Right then once and you're done, but

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<v Speaker 2>not qubic. I've watched The Shining hundreds of times just

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<v Speaker 2>making the movie, and I watched it hundreds of times

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<v Speaker 2>before that. When I was developing my theory of exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what Stanley Kubrick was trying to say within the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched it hundreds of times. Okay, there's not another

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<v Speaker 2>movie or another genre of movie, or anybody other than

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick that you can rewatch over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again and get something new because they're

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<v Speaker 2>like one and done movie. I will never rewatch a

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel movie once, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like you know, they compared to go into

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<v Speaker 1>like an amusement park. When you watch a Marvel movie,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because it's all just like fun in games

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever, and then it's over and there's like explosions

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, bright flashing colors or whatever. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>candy movie, you know, for like just zoning out. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've been watching The Shining since I was a little kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and every time I watch it, immediately, just like with

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<v Speaker 1>the opening when it's going through the lake and the

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<v Speaker 1>trees and like you're kind of getting the landscape and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just transcendent almost, it like immediately takes you inside

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. And it doesn't matter how many times I

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<v Speaker 1>watch it, I always feel like I've stayed at the overlook.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time the movie is over, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've went through the experience. And so I did find

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<v Speaker 1>it interesting that you and Jay Wider mentioned in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie that it's not actually a horror film though, and

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<v Speaker 1>so what would you say that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that it is a psychological mind bending movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And but it was categorized when it first came out

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<v Speaker 2>as like a horror movie, as like Stephen King's masterpiece

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<v Speaker 2>horror movies. But there's very few horror elements. Within Stanley

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<v Speaker 2>Kubrick's The Shining, there's very there's not any jump scares,

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<v Speaker 2>one jump scare. It's more of a psychological thriller, and

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<v Speaker 2>that brings on an entirely new meaning when you watch

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<v Speaker 2>our movie at Clockwork Shining Cubic's Hodesty three, because the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is psychological. It's a psychological experiment. They're running

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<v Speaker 2>a psychological experiment up there on Jack. The entire thing

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<v Speaker 2>has ran as like an operation. It's a CIA mind

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<v Speaker 2>control operation that's going on up there. And once you

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<v Speaker 2>put all the pieces together and you realize exactly what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, the entire movie makes sense because there's not

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone has their own theories of what's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>The Shining, and that's not to say that any of

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<v Speaker 2>those theories are wrong. They can all be right simultaneously right.

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<v Speaker 2>But the overall arching theory is our theory that we

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<v Speaker 2>present in A Clockwork Shining seems to be the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense because it also makes everything else makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Big moon landing stuff, which would be one giant psychological

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<v Speaker 2>operation faking the moon, which would be an MK ultra

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<v Speaker 2>program like live feed out to everybody in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>all at the same time of a fake moon landing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's if that's true, that's one of the greatest mk

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<v Speaker 2>ultra mind control operations that's ever existed. Right, Can we

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<v Speaker 2>make everybody believe everyone in the world believe that we

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<v Speaker 2>went to the moon? And that's the type of things

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<v Speaker 2>that they do. That's what the mk ultra programs is

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<v Speaker 2>really about, is to change the perception of people, to

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<v Speaker 2>make them believe something happened when it may or may

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<v Speaker 2>not have actually happened. Right. We can implant memories, thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>and ideas into people's heads to make them think that

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<v Speaker 2>something happened when it didn't happen, or vice versa, when

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<v Speaker 2>something really did happen, and will make them believe that

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen. Right. It works about ways. You can

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<v Speaker 2>do it both ways. And when you look at you

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<v Speaker 2>and camera and what he was doing in Canada whenever

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA sub leased the programs into Canada, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>really where a lot of them went. They sub a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these programs to private companies and private contractors

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<v Speaker 2>and private government contractors so that they wouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>reveal that they were doing these experiments. Right, Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>from a private company, and a private company is not

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<v Speaker 2>beholding to the same laws that the government is beholden to.

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<v Speaker 2>So they would use like hospital wings. They would open

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<v Speaker 2>up a giant hospital wings to just test mk ultra

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<v Speaker 2>mind control stuff. And they had this big hospital in

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<v Speaker 2>Canada and several of the people from Canada that was

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<v Speaker 2>experimented on by you, and Cameron actually sued the Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>government for it and they won. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>he was doing was there's a process to this. There's depatterning.

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<v Speaker 2>So you depattern the mind of your subject, so you

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<v Speaker 2>essentially erase all of their cognitive behavior. You kind of

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<v Speaker 2>erase their memories, you erase what they think is actually

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<v Speaker 2>going on, any of their previous ideas of what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>like the critical thinking and their awareness around something. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's normally done through trauma. So you traumatize somebody, you're

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<v Speaker 2>essentially deep patterning them. So after they traumatize them, they

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<v Speaker 2>can then drug them and then use a technique that's

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<v Speaker 2>they had been deppatterned and druggy. Now, as we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about in the documentary at Clockwork Shining, there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>list of drugs. Whenever Kathy O'Brien is talking about her

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<v Speaker 2>from caffeine to adderall to weed, the anphetamine, the nicotine.

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<v Speaker 2>They used all of it. So it's not just LSD.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a common misconception within the mk Ultra programs.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're dosed with a high amount of LSD, and

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<v Speaker 1>There was Frank Olsen stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Frank Olsen he was unknowingly dosed with LSD and

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<v Speaker 1>A closed window, no less, with a big concussion on

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<v Speaker 1>his head. So he somehow hid himself over the head,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the amount of like craziness that goes in

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<v Speaker 1>this documentary of clockwork Shining. You touch on so many

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much to unpact because it is the Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Olsen LSD stuff, Monarch stuff. Stanley was friends with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of higher up uppity people at NASA, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is about stuff like that Laurel Canyon big part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's like there are so many layers. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a five layer burrito really. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that caught my attention to is that you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>about how Stanley Kubrick was the most promising something or other,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that he was working for the government

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<v Speaker 1>in some unspecified capacity, Like do you think that's part

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't know exactly what that project was because

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't state it in the document, but the document

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<v Speaker 2>states that there are five film directors that are being

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<v Speaker 2>looked at for some unknown government project, with Stanley Kubrick

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<v Speaker 2>being looked at as the most promising. And we know

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<v Speaker 2>that Stanley Kubrick's had ties to the government because the

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force came to the set of Doctor Strangelow whenever

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<v Speaker 2>he did the he made a model of the inside

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<v Speaker 2>of the B two stealth bomber, and he'd asked the government,

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<v Speaker 2>he could see the inside of a B too stealth

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<v Speaker 2>bomber so they can get the inside of it. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>The military said, no, you can't do that because it's

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<v Speaker 2>top secret classified information. If we let you do that,

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<v Speaker 2>then when other countries this film is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>distributed in other countries, and if other countries see what

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<v Speaker 2>the inside of the B two stealth bomber looks like

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<v Speaker 2>and all of its gadgets and how it all works

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, then they can replicate it, right, So they

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<v Speaker 2>said no. Then Qubrick's project designer, his producer, which we

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<v Speaker 2>have talking about it in the documentary, he cut out

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<v Speaker 2>all of these like magazines and looked at models of

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<v Speaker 2>what people thought that the inside of a B too

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<v Speaker 2>stealth bomber looked like. And he compiled all this information

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<v Speaker 2>and then they recreated what they believed the inside of

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<v Speaker 2>the B too Stealth bomber looked like. So then when

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<v Speaker 2>the Air Force came to visit the side of Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Strangelove and they watched them, they were like, what's that

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<v Speaker 2>going on here? We said, no, that you couldn't see

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<v Speaker 2>the inside of this B two stealth bomber, But yet

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<v Speaker 2>you have what the inside of a B two stealth

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<v Speaker 2>bomber looks like almost perfectly. Okay. So we believe that

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<v Speaker 2>that was the inception of Qubricks starting to work with

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<v Speaker 2>the government and these three letter organizations and the military.

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<v Speaker 2>And then if you fast forward into two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>one A Space Odyssey, at the end of that movie,

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<v Speaker 2>there was credits there that he was thinking all of

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<v Speaker 2>these big corporations like lockeed Martin, Air Force Intelligence, Langley

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force Base, all these big military contractors and these

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<v Speaker 2>three letter organizations, right, and that all those credits ended

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<v Speaker 2>up getting cut out in the final run of the

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<v Speaker 2>movie because I'm sure that one of these military people

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<v Speaker 2>came to him and was like, Hey, you can't be

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<v Speaker 2>thinking all of us in the of this movie, because

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<v Speaker 2>then people are gonna know that we're involved in with

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<v Speaker 2>the production exactly, NASA. The cameras that he used for

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<v Speaker 2>filming two thousand and one Space Honesty came from NASA. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's connections all over the place here between military organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>three letter organizations, and direct ties with Stanley Kubrick. And

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<v Speaker 2>we also show within the documentary how many other movies

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<v Speaker 2>have been had production and has ties in the military

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<v Speaker 2>industrial complex. Die another Day, the James Bond movies, Transformers movies,

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<v Speaker 2>which all those came out way later than But what

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know about that until the four year request

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<v Speaker 2>came back and then they got all that information. So

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<v Speaker 2>now the cat is out of the bag that the

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<v Speaker 2>three letter organizations in the military is involved with film production,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that ties into the Laurel Canyon stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So Laurel Canyon, there's a military base called Lookout Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Canyon called Lookout Mountain Air Force Base. There's a huge facility.

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<v Speaker 2>They had sound stages, they had movie sets. They that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the miniature bomb, the nuclear bomb explosions all took

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<v Speaker 2>place there. That was filmed on miniature sets, Okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>there was thousands and thousands of films that were made there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just a coincidence that this is right beside

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<v Speaker 2>la where Hollywood is, where all these films are being made. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to be using mental gymnastics to not think

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<v Speaker 2>that the military is involved and is making films to

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<v Speaker 2>put out to the public. And also how much of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that we think is actually real footage of

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<v Speaker 2>real events happening were actually staged events film that Lookout Mount.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if they were doing this way back when, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Leto now owns the Lookout Mountain Air Force Base, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Mars and the cult that Jared Leto is

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly all involved with the White Road cult is what

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<v Speaker 2>they call it. And if they were doing it back then,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were so involved in making films, right and

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what all those films were. Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>still all classified, we don't know what any of that was,

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<v Speaker 2>So again, you'd have to be using mental gymnastics to

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're still not doing that. That brings in

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<v Speaker 2>the question, like all this stuff, it brings in, brings

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven into question. It brings in, like the

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<v Speaker 2>jfk assassination, all of it into question because they can

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<v Speaker 2>literally just film something on a military soundstage and then

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<v Speaker 2>set off as something real in the public. They just

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<v Speaker 2>got to put it everywhere, right, and now they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Necessarily that's evolved now they don't even have to use

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<v Speaker 2>real people. Now they don't even have to film it,

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<v Speaker 2>just use AI. And if anybody thinks that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>if they haven't perfected the technology of AI, the military

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't perfected it to where you legitimately cannot tell the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between if it's real or if it's one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent fake, just because we don't have that technology yet,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're only kidding yourself. Hundred percent have it and

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<v Speaker 2>they been using it for decades now. There's dual use

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<v Speaker 2>for all of these things. There's dual use. There's the

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<v Speaker 2>military use and then there's the public use. They figure

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<v Speaker 2>it all out within the military, how they can use

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<v Speaker 2>it for their operations and what they're doing, and then

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<v Speaker 2>later on they release it to the public. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>how long do we have drones? How long were military

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<v Speaker 2>drones a thing before we got these little, tiny public

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<v Speaker 2>drones that people can use. Hey, they've been using drones

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<v Speaker 2>or freaking decades, years and years and years, way before

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<v Speaker 2>the public ever knew that the military had unmanned drones.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you use that same logic with AI and

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<v Speaker 2>with these soundstage military bases, then they're still doing the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same thing today. It's like a it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>mission of what they were doing before so that they

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of come out and be like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we stopped doing this. Is like the MK Ultra programs

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<v Speaker 2>when they shut when they disclose it to the public

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty five. Right, they kind of had to

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<v Speaker 2>do that so that the CIA would take the fall

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<v Speaker 2>for it and take the bad rap while all the

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<v Speaker 2>other all the other three letter organizations were also doing

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same thing. But it gets all of those

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<v Speaker 2>off of the hook. I mean, the Air Force has

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<v Speaker 2>been running MK Ultra programs almost since its inception, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Walter Bosley, the AFOSI Special Air Force agent within our documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>says that the Air Force he worked for the Air Force.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that the Air Force, out of all of

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<v Speaker 2>the military branches, was the most interested in MK ultra.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're all doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, I mean I think I think that they're

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<v Speaker 1>up to something else too with Lookout Mountain, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at who had top secret clearance to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that place, it's like Marilyn Monroe, Why the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>does she have top secret anything to get in there?

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<v Speaker 1>They're filming like what nuclear test footage? Why does Marilyn

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<v Speaker 1>Monroe need to be up in there? I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's odd to me. And then I spoke with

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<v Speaker 1>a woman. She's a doctor, she's a psychiatrist now, her

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<v Speaker 1>name is doctor Juliet Engel, and she said that she

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<v Speaker 1>was taken there as a child as part of these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like Kathy O'Brien like ritual sex abuse type

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, and that she said that she went to

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<v Speaker 1>Lookout Mountain Studio and that they were filming snuff films there,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said that like with one certainty, that that's

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<v Speaker 1>like part of the things that they were doing there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just makes you wonder because of all of

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<v Speaker 1>the ritualism, and we know that they do have to

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<v Speaker 1>traumatize you in order to get your mind in a

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<v Speaker 1>certain place. I think if you look at Stanley's work,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like sprinkled throughout it. I would say probably Lolita

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<v Speaker 1>and eyes wide shut kind of our closer look at

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some of the sexual side of things, but clockwork,

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<v Speaker 1>orange and the shining are like the military side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, absolutely. But also with Stanley Kubrick. We were

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<v Speaker 2>really nice to Stanley Kubrick. But after he died, one

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<v Speaker 2>of his best friends came had it was only had

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<v Speaker 2>one key to his office, right, he was the only

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<v Speaker 2>other person that had a key to his office. So

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<v Speaker 2>then he shows up at Kubrick's house, goes to open

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<v Speaker 2>up his closet, and whenever he rolls up to his house,

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<v Speaker 2>there's these men in suits better there and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>through all of Kubrick's stuff, taking a lot of his

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<v Speaker 2>things out of his office. Okay, now who else had

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<v Speaker 2>all the the almost that exact same thing happened to

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<v Speaker 2>them like diddy, Okay, they raided place. Yeah, given he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't dead, whenever they did it, he was still alive,

419
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<v Speaker 2>but they raided his place. Epstein. Mm hmm. What's the

420
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<v Speaker 2>other what's the other filmmaker? The filmmaker producer that got

421
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>caught up in the me too movement?

422
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.799
<v Speaker 1>That why uh what Harvey.

423
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Harvey Weinstein Harvey. So when you put two two together here,

424
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<v Speaker 2>it's not looking too good for Kubrick. But also it

425
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.680
<v Speaker 2>could be that because he had to have known about

426
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<v Speaker 2>Lookout Mound because he lived in LA during the time

427
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that Lookout Mound was in operation. And if you're a filmmaker,

428
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<v Speaker 2>you're directing movies. He had a rich on that lived

429
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<v Speaker 2>in LA, so he moved to LA for like two

430
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:05.240
<v Speaker 2>or three years. You had to know about Lookout Mountain

431
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 2>and if and if what you're saying is true that

432
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>they were doing like snuff films and like really weird operation.

433
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.160
<v Speaker 2>But there's another thing too, is like but like crisis

434
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<v Speaker 2>actors as well. We know the crisis actors are one

435
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.640
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of real thing. Okay, So Marilyn Monroe could

436
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>have had a job up there to play different people

437
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that are essentially like because a lot of people look

438
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<v Speaker 2>like Marilyn Monroe, right, A lot of these people look

439
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 2>very similar to other people throughout it. They're just modernized.

440
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 2>So and not only that, like with people like Britney Spears,

441
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these people have body doubles. Okay, they

442
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 2>have body doubles that are used for their music videos

443
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 2>and famous musicians have them. Actors all have them, Actors

444
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>have stump stunt people body doubles, they all use them.

445
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 2>So if you can get somebody that looks similar to

446
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<v Speaker 2>somebody else, then they can be used as like a

447
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 2>like an actor, and that's like that would be like

448
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the ultimate acting role, right, Like if you're if you're

449
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>a famous actor and you're trying to take your acting

450
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 2>to the pinnacle of where you want it to be,

451
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>what would be the greatest acting achievement? The greatest acting

452
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>achievement would be to completely impersonate somebody else in reality

453
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 2>make people believe that you are someone else. Now, I'm

454
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<v Speaker 2>not saying that everybody is doing this. I'm not saying

455
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>that everybody is like somebody else, right, but throughout history

456
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 2>this has to have happened at some point, right, someone

457
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.119
<v Speaker 2>definitely had the idea was like, okay, well what if

458
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<v Speaker 2>we took you know, someone like Marilyn Monroe, and then

459
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>we turn them and turn them into a completely different

460
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 2>actor or in reality, and not give them the same

461
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 2>name as Marilyn and Rowe. Would people buy it? Would

462
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<v Speaker 2>people believe that that is a completely separate other person?

463
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>And I believe that they would because they would have

464
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>no reason to believe that it wasn't. So do you

465
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<v Speaker 2>think different people in many different roles throughout history that

466
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>is literally the same person?

467
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<v Speaker 1>Like for me, sometimes I question if people really die

468
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>in the way that they say, Like I don't know

469
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<v Speaker 1>if Jim Morrison really died or if they just repurposed him,

470
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, or if Taylor Swift has been swapped out.

471
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a lot of talk about her. I

472
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know Sharon Tate really died or if she's just

473
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>playing a new character. I mean, sometimes I think sensationalism,

474
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 1>especially coming out of the Laurel Canyon scene. I don't

475
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<v Speaker 1>know that those weren't just all actors who got repurposed

476
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>in some other unspecified capacity because they are useful. Why

477
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 1>would you kill them?

478
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

479
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>But then there's another possibility that people just randomly die too.

480
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean that definitely is a thing. But when you

481
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<v Speaker 2>have parents that are high ranking military officials. Jim Morrison's

482
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<v Speaker 2>dad was a high ranking naval intelligence officer that was

483
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<v Speaker 2>responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin incident, to false fly

484
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Golf of Tonkin incident that got us into the Vietnam War.

485
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Sarance Tate dad was a high ranking military officer. Bob

486
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Marley's dad was a British naval commander. Like, all of

487
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 2>these people have ties to military intelligence, so you can't

488
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>put much past them and what they would do to

489
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>get away with something. And it makes so much sense

490
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 2>to the reason why Jim Morrison was like so wild

491
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and like crazy and was kind of just doing whatever

492
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to do. And he was actually an actor

493
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 2>before he became like a musician and formed the Doors. Okay,

494
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>several of these people. Tupac was an actor, right, Yeah,

495
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:24.039
<v Speaker 2>people are actors and then they get into it's it's

496
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>it's insanity, it's really insanity. But it makes sense with

497
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Jim Morrison and the way that he acted. He acted

498
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>like he could do whatever he wanted to do and

499
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't going to get in trouble, and he

500
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 2>never did get in trouble. Yeah, he got arrested a

501
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>few times and maybe thrown in jail for a couple

502
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>of days or maybe a week or whatever, but he

503
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>was always let out. And the same with Charles Manson. Charles,

504
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 2>how many times was Charles Manson incarcerated whenever he was

505
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 2>growing up? How many psych wars did Charles Manson go

506
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 2>into m and he was just immediately let out? Right?

507
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<v Speaker 1>It makes you think kind of along those same like

508
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 1>with Program to Kill when Dave McGowan talks about how

509
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>many times serial killers were caught, but they weren't caught.

510
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>They were let back out, or they escaped, or some

511
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>in some way they got back out on the streets,

512
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<v Speaker 1>And it just makes me wonder. I mean, a lot

513
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>of this is just a big movie in and of itself.

514
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're living in a movie, I think. But

515
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>like with Lookout Mountain, laboratory is what it's called in

516
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Dave McGowan's book. I don't know why they called it

517
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>a laboratory that. I don't know why that's significant, But

518
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>you compared it to Overlook Hotel because of how it

519
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 1>looks in the name. So I thought that was really

520
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 1>interesting and I had never considered that before. Did Stanley

521
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 1>have anything to do with where they pick to film

522
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the movie.

523
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he sent a whole entire research team to try

524
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and scout location to film the movie, but he ultimately

525
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 2>landed on just building a set. But the external shots

526
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 2>of the hotel within the Shining is at the lodge

527
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in Oregon right around where you are. Timberline Lodge is

528
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 2>where the external shots of the hotel is filmed, which

529
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 2>creates continuity errors within the Shining as well, because the

530
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 2>exterior shots of the hotel is from the Timberline Lodge

531
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and the rest of the shots is on a set.

532
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 2>So in the opening shot of the hotel, which I

533
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>have some slides here that I'm going to show here

534
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>a little bit later on, that goes over some of this,

535
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's important to mention now it creates

536
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>a conninuity are because there's no maze in behind the

537
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>hotel in that first establishing shot of the Overlook Hotel

538
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 2>within the movie, but then later on there is a

539
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 2>maze back there because they're filmed in two different There's

540
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 2>also a ski what is it the ski line or whatever,

541
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>that's going up the web side of the mountain, whenever

542
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Olmens says that there's no skiing up here, it creates

543
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>these problems when he decided not to film it on

544
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 2>an actual location, he found it on a set. But yeah,

545
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>he again, I think that this goes back to him

546
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>being aware of Lookout Mountain Air Force Base or Lookout

547
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Mountain Laboratories and wanting to kind of design the same

548
00:34:54.559 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 2>type of structure or the hotel in the Shiny. It's

549
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>just a coincidence that is named almost the exact same thing.

550
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 2>And like the military was running definitely running experiments a

551
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Lookout Mountain base, and you know, what are they doing

552
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>within the Shining. It's a it's an experiment on the

553
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.800
<v Speaker 2>people within the Shining, it's an experiment on the audience,

554
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's an experimental movie in a hole. So it's

555
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>like a triple whammy. You know, it's not only psychological

556
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 2>within the person that's watching the movie, it's psychological to

557
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the actors within the movie as well. The giant psychological operation.

558
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:46.679
<v Speaker 2>And and in the way that Kubrick is treating Shelley

559
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Duvall within the filming of is something that a handler,

560
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>an M. K Ultra handler would do to a victim. MH.

561
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And we see that within the documentary that Cubrick is

562
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>like berating her. He's telling the the staff and the

563
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>people that are working on the movie to not listen

564
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to her, to not you know, tend to her needs.

565
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Her hair was falling out, she was all fucked up.

566
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>And then I think the scene with like the baseball bat,

567
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>like as she's coming up the stairs, he made her

568
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>do that like one hundred and twenty seven times or

569
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and her hands were raw and bleeding

570
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 1>and she was exhausted, And I mean, that is an

571
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>MK to me, Like that's that's MK. Like you, Jack Nicholson,

572
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I think got off the hook other than the fact

573
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>that he Stanley pretty much rewrote the script every day

574
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and everybody had to keep relearning everything. He was like

575
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 1>writing the movie as he was going. But I think

576
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:54.039
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting that he picked that location because there is

577
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>a hotel that the Shining the book is based on

578
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 1>that you can go and stay at and visits in Colorado.

579
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I went and stayed there with my husband for Halloween

580
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 1>one year. I mean, there's nothing special about it other

581
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 1>than the fact that Stephen King used it as the

582
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>inspiration for the book or whatever. But Stephen King hated

583
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.800
<v Speaker 1>everything about The Shining so much that he went back

584
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 1>and made like a shitty like TV show called The Shining.

585
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure, and it was an epic failure. But

586
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like Stanley purposely changed everything. He changed everything about

587
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 1>this story and even the location, so everything was picked

588
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 1>very specifically to his standard of what he was trying

589
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to do. So yeah, I mean I thought that was

590
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>when he showed the side by side of like Lookout

591
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Mountain and the Overlook and how the names are so similar,

592
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.679
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what the actual fuck, Like, that's so crazy.

593
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>And why would you be writing a script as you're

594
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 2>shooting a movie. Nobody in their right mind would ever

595
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>do that. It would never be greenlit like that less

596
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>unless you're, you know, doing it on your own, unless

597
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you're funding it yourself. Then you can do whatever you want,

598
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>but no studio is gonna dish out money to make

599
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.679
<v Speaker 2>a movie where a script hasn't been written. And we

600
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>believe that Kubrick turned in a script that was more

601
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>aligned to Stephen King's novel okay, and then so that

602
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the movie would get approved because it just came off

603
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 2>of a really bad movie, a really bad flop, which

604
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>was Barry Lindon Berry Lindon and not go over good.

605
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.159
<v Speaker 2>It lost money. Warner Brothers was probably like, Okay, let's

606
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, let's take Let's do something that's gonna that's

607
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 2>been proven to work, because they just had a big

608
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 2>hit with The Exorcist and William freaking directing novel and

609
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>it was a really big movie for them, made them

610
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money. So they were like, Okay, well,

611
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>here's this new book by Stephen King, The Shining, why

612
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 2>don't you do a film adaptation of that? So then

613
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 2>he wrote them a script that was more a keen

614
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>to Stephen King's book. Then he decided to change it

615
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 2>as they were filming it, which would be a complete

616
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 2>and total nightmare. I could not imagine as a director

617
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>having to rewrite something as you're filming it. It doesn't

618
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 2>make any sense to do, like you're looking at a

619
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 2>disaster of a movie, which toward the end of the movie,

620
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 2>there was an original ending to The Shining that I

621
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 2>was just going.

622
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>To ask you about that the alternative ending.

623
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:03.920
<v Speaker 2>So there was an alternative ending that doesn't that is

624
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 2>not the same ending to the ending that we're familiar

625
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 2>with with Jack just h he's out in the maze,

626
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of going catatonic or whatever. And then the

627
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 2>next scene is you know, him dead, he's frozen in

628
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the ice, and then it zooms up to the picture

629
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 2>on the wall. July fourth, nineteen twenty one. Right, So

630
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Cubic originally had another ending in there where Windy wakes

631
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 2>up in the hospital, Almand comes to visit, and there's

632
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.519
<v Speaker 2>this is one hundred percent reel. The script is online,

633
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.039
<v Speaker 2>you can. We showed the script in the documentary, but

634
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 2>that's all that we have of it, and Wendy waking

635
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>up in the hospital, Almond coming to visit her in

636
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the hospital, Danny is there. Almond pretty much explains to

637
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 2>her and is like, hey, we went up to the hotel.

638
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 2>We checked it out. Nothing like what you said happened.

639
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>We didn't find any evidence for it, okay, almost making

640
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 2>it seem like that it's a one operation. They just

641
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>went up there and cleaned everything out, right, They cleaned

642
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 2>it all up and made it seem like that it

643
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. Because Wendy has been traumatized to like no end.

644
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, oh, who's gonna believe this? Very traumatized woman,

645
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>she's going to mix things up in her mind and whatever.

646
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.320
<v Speaker 2>And then he meets Danny in the hallway and then

647
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.199
<v Speaker 2>throws Danny the tennis ball that Jack was bouncing off

648
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 2>of the wall in the movie, and also is the

649
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 2>tennis ball that rolled toward Danny while he's in the

650
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>hallway before he goes in the room two thirty seven.

651
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay and qbreak cut that section out of the movie. Now,

652
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a few people that do remember seeing it, because

653
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 2>it did run in some of the test screenings in

654
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>California and I believe in New York, so some very

655
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>few people got to see the original ending to the Shining.

656
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the like most infamous long lost pieces

657
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>of film media ever. And Stanley Kubrike, he's, you know,

658
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>famous for destroying all of his outtakes of movies, all

659
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 2>of the footage that he didn't use any had deleted

660
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.400
<v Speaker 2>scenes or whatever, he just destroyed them.

661
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think he took that ending off though?

662
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it gave too much away? Like this

663
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 1>was all in your mind?

664
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.400
<v Speaker 2>There was another scene that was also cut out that

665
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.079
<v Speaker 2>was Jack going into the boiler room in the basement

666
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 2>and finding a scrap book of all the tragedies that

667
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>happened at the Overlook Hotel, and that's how he knew

668
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>who Grady was. So remember whenever he's in the bathroom

669
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and talking to Grady and he was like, I know you,

670
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I have seen you around here someplace before. He's referring

671
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 2>to the scrap book that he found in the base.

672
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>He's looking through all the photos and seeing the tragedy

673
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>that Ollman talked to him about whenever he was there

674
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 2>for the interview that a man named Pearls Grady, but

675
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 2>then later he's referred to as Delbert Grady, which makes

676
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.519
<v Speaker 2>you believe that there's two different Grady's running around. But

677
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 2>he finds the scrap book and then that's how he knows.

678
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And that remnant of that scene being in there is

679
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 2>prominent because we get that interaction with Grady and we

680
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know what Jack is talking about because the scene

681
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:48.920
<v Speaker 2>was cut out. But yeah, the end, it definitely gave

682
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>too much away because in our examination of the movie,

683
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>it's an mk Ultra program and this is setting up

684
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.599
<v Speaker 2>the fact that the entire thing is a giant operation.

685
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 2>But they had all this stuff happen. They drug Jack

686
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>with the alcohol that was spiked with LSD or some

687
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>concoction of drugs. He goes up in the room two

688
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:18.199
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven. He hallucinates the woman that's up there. It's

689
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 2>either an actor or a woman. So you can if

690
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you think of the movie Shutter Island. Have you seen

691
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the movie where within the movie, all of these people

692
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>are like LARPing their roles within them to convince Leonardo

693
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 2>DiCaprio's character that he's in like a mental institution.

694
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Unlike he's a detective, and yes.

695
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 2>To ultimately trigger his memories of exactly what was going

696
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 2>on for therapy purposes. Right, Well, that's essentially what's going

697
00:44:56.079 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 2>on within the Shining. These people that are supposedly are

698
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>not really ghosts. That's why they're not prominently portrayed as

699
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>ghost like with Stephen King's version of the Horrible TV

700
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:14.760
<v Speaker 2>series that he did, or like in Stephen King's novel

701
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 2>where things are all like mystical and like swing sets

702
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>are haunted. There's a haunted bush outside the turns in

703
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:26.599
<v Speaker 2>the monsters and all this wacky weirdo paranormal garbage, which

704
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 2>is one garbage. Kubric decided to make the most realistic

705
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>version of this, so he made actual people playing these

706
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.239
<v Speaker 2>roles within the movie. So Grady is a person. Whenever

707
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Jack goes into the the Gold Room and all the

708
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 2>people are there having a party, all those people are

709
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>real people within the movie people. They're actors LARPing this

710
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 2>situation to convince Jack to murder and kill his family.

711
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 2>That's what it's all about. And then whenever Jack goes

712
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>in there and takes the drink of alcohol, whenever Almonds

713
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 2>said that there's no alcohol in the premise, they remove

714
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 2>all the alcohol. Then he goes in and talks to

715
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Lloyd the bartender, and Lloyd the bartender poison a glass

716
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Speaker 2>is laced with LSD. It's laced with some kind of drug.

717
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>And then Wendy comes in and says that Danny was

718
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>attacked by a lady upstairs, which was probably a real

719
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 2>lady right in the building. In that's a part of

720
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 2>this operation. I mean, the hotel is freaking huge. He

721
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 2>probably really was attacked by a lady because he stumbled

722
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 2>across the room that one of these agents, one of

723
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>these CIA agents was actually in, which then correlates to

724
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>the end of the movie. Whenever the Bear and the Man,

725
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the bear is giving the blowjob to the man and

726
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>no one stands us seeing no one really knows exactly

727
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 2>what's going on other than all the other teddy bear symbolism,

728
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>which teddy bear symbolism is linked to pedophilia, right, which,

729
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and then you have Lolita mm hmmm, which is all

730
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 2>about pedophilia very much. So those two people were actors

731
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>within the movie playing other actors LARPing to try and

732
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 2>get Jack to kill his family, okay, and whenever Whindy

733
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:29.039
<v Speaker 2>stumbles across them, they think that the operation is like

734
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.599
<v Speaker 2>over right, they're on their freaking lunch break.

735
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Here, right, yeah. But you only see it through his

736
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 1>perspective though, which is why it's such a mind fuck,

737
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's why at the end of the movie you're like,

738
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>what did I just even watch? Like what happened? Like

739
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.360
<v Speaker 1>what is going on here? Because it's meant to show

740
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.559
<v Speaker 1>you his journey but also take you on it too,

741
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>So like by the end of the movie you're like,

742
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>why do I feel like I just got mk? Like

743
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy.

744
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, because there's so many continuity errs within the movie,

745
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.559
<v Speaker 2>which is to psychologically mess with the viewer's mind of

746
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 2>exactly what's going on in the movie. Because if you

747
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 2>just watch this for the first time, like try and

748
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>go back to the very first time that you ever

749
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>watched the movie. Did you know about any of these

750
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 2>continuity years.

751
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I had absolutely no idea.

752
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 2>But it still mess with your mind subconsciously. And kubric

753
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>was very interested in subconscious manipulation. He was actually very

754
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.679
<v Speaker 2>interested in advertising, like cigarette company. We know that the

755
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>companies put like little flashes of images within their movie

756
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>to subconsciously get the viewer to think something else, to

757
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 2>buy more products, which is the very simple version of it.

758
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>That's like the surface layer of it. But Kubrick was

759
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>very interested in that. And then at the end of

760
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>our movie, during the credits, he also talks about that.

761
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:16.079
<v Speaker 2>He says, well, it's interesting to me whenever I make

762
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 2>a movie for the audience to think, oh, well, was

763
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:26.920
<v Speaker 2>that on purpose or was that a mistake? All right,

764
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>so he wants to mess with the audience, which makes

765
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.800
<v Speaker 2>you believe that all of these continuity errors and everything

766
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>that's wrong with the movie was one percent done on purpose.

767
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me see some of these continuity years. I

768
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:48.599
<v Speaker 1>actually had it in my notes to ask you about that,

769
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like I caught one. But maybe it's

770
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:58.280
<v Speaker 1>in your slides. If it's not, then I'll be surprised.

771
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, can you see it? Yes, Okay, all right, this

772
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 2>is a clockwork shining. And some of these are in

773
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the movie. Some of them are not in the movie

774
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>because if we just focused on all these, it would

775
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>be the movie would have to be like four hours long,

776
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 2>and it was almost two hours long, so it was

777
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>already kind of rough. Okay, So the first one, which

778
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 2>is in the movie is this handprint on whenever Jack

779
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 2>is at the bar, he gets up, this lady walks past.

780
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.079
<v Speaker 2>She's actually the one that bumps into Grady to have

781
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 2>him spill the alcoholic drink on Jack's shirt, Okay, and

782
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it looks like that she has a a handprint like

783
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 2>on her ass, right, looks like a four fingered hand print.

784
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.360
<v Speaker 2>And people have can tell the desk, They're like, oh, well,

785
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 2>it's a part of the dress. It's baked into the

786
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:05.960
<v Speaker 2>drug ball. It doesn't matter if it's baked into the dress.

787
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 2>It still looks like a freaking bloody handprint. I think

788
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 2>that they I think that they think that I'm saying

789
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that someone literally covered their handpaint hand in red paint

790
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and then put it on her ass. That's not what

791
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I'm saying that whatever is on the back

792
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 2>of her dress looks like a freaking handprint.

793
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>It sure does.

794
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 2>And if you think of what this kind of relates to,

795
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 2>which then you get into Castaway with Tom Hanks. Right,

796
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 2>you have a four fingered, bloody handprint on Wilson the volleyball.

797
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, all right, so that's the like prove and

798
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>show that you know, the four fingered handprints do exist.

799
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 2>It's on Wilson.

800
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Now.

801
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Granted, this movie came out in two thousand, uh, you know,

802
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>two decades after the Shining, but still it's then when

803
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you connect the stuff about Tom Hanks, okay, and Stanley

804
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Cube break, you can put two and two together on

805
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 2>your own there. So this one is one of the

806
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 2>ones that we showed in the documentary, which is a

807
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 2>light switch disappearing whenever h Blinking on his name right now, Yes,

808
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>whenever Hollerin is giving them a tour of the hotel.

809
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Windy and Danny, there's a light switch that's above the

810
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 2>storage room. Whenever Wendy is carrying Jack's body to put

811
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 2>him inside the storage room, the light switch is gone.

812
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Here's another light switch that is disappearing and reappearing.

813
00:52:52.679 --> 00:53:00.239
<v Speaker 4>This is one one is so crazy, like why where

814
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:00.800
<v Speaker 4>did it go?

815
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Yep in, Yeah, it's wild. So this is the top

816
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>frame of This top panel is whenever Jack is walking

817
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 2>into Almend's office to do the interview in the beginning

818
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, there's not a light switch, and then

819
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:22.599
<v Speaker 2>when Jack is walking back into almonds office later on

820
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to destroy the radio to prevent Wendy and Danny from

821
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 2>leaving the hotel, there appears a light switch underneath the

822
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 2>picture frame. This is the maze that I was talking

823
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:39.559
<v Speaker 2>about earlier in the establishing shot, there's not a maze,

824
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and then later on obviously there is a maze behind it.

825
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>This one's interesting. The pattern on Jack's tie during the

826
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 2>interview looks like the identical pattern to the over establishing.

827
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I got. That's crazy.

828
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 2>This one is the dwarfs sticker disappearing off of Danny's door.

829
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>So whenever Danny has the visions, there's a adope the

830
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Dwarf sticker on the outside of his door, and then

831
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 2>whenever the doctor comes to visit Danny and check on him,

832
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the adope the Dwarf sticker is missing. This one is

833
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:36.960
<v Speaker 2>when Wendy is telling the doctor about how this one's

834
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 2>a dialogue error. So whenever Wendy is telling the doctor

835
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 2>how long it was that Danny was having these episodes

836
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 2>between the time that he abused Danny doesn't add up

837
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to the same amount of time that Jack said to

838
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Lloyd the bartender of how long it was, Jack says

839
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 2>that it was two years ago. So whenever he abused

840
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Danny and injured his arm, which then made Danny, like

841
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 2>through trauma, start having these quote unquote psychic abilities, because

842
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that's how the psychic abilities are developed. They're developed through trauma.

843
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 2>And that was one of the things through that they

844
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 2>discovered through the mk Ultra programs is that that is

845
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 2>a like a byproduct of trauma and putting people through

846
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 2>these programs is that it unlocks abilities within the person

847
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.639
<v Speaker 2>that you're traumatizing. This one's the kool aid that's on

848
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.920
<v Speaker 2>top of the fridge, which you know, drink the kool aid.

849
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:52.239
<v Speaker 2>You got the the Jim Jones incident that wasp happened

850
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 2>during the filming of this movie, which is the Jim

851
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Jones wasn't actual kool aid though, but it came synonymous

852
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:01.960
<v Speaker 2>with cool light. I think it was.

853
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Flavory, the Flavory Aid.

854
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And the Jim Jones cult drinking Yes, Dying of, but

855
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 2>the incident has become synonymous with pool laid. This one's interesting.

856
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a clear plastic tarp that is seen on

857
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the set as Danny is driving his tricycle through the hotel.

858
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:30.199
<v Speaker 2>This one is a chair that disappears, a chair and

859
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:37.039
<v Speaker 2>a coffee table that disappears. Behind Jack, Windy is talking

860
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.440
<v Speaker 2>to him about the sandwich, right, I'll meet you a sandwich,

861
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh, well, when I'm in here, you

862
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:49.320
<v Speaker 2>know that I'm working. You don't bother me when I'm working.

863
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 2>The first shot has a chair and behind it it

864
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 2>cuts to Windy the chair. When it goes back to Jack,

865
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the chair and the coffee table is gone, it cuts

866
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.960
<v Speaker 2>back to Windy than in this bottom right hand corner panel,

867
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:03.719
<v Speaker 2>when it cuts back to Jack, the chair and the

868
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 2>table is back into the shop.

869
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Do you think the significance is because like this? It's

870
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 1>when you look at it like this, it's like blatantly

871
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:17.679
<v Speaker 1>obvious and you wonder why you haven't noticed it before.

872
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>You'd think that you would really notice this, and how

873
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 2>many people had to check this before? It ever was released, Like,

874
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 2>how many editors and how many production design sud designer

875
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 2>people did he how many eyes did this stuff pass

876
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:45.679
<v Speaker 2>through before it was ever published? Right of This is

877
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.440
<v Speaker 2>a really really obvious one that because it's there, it

878
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>disappears and then it reappears again. This is one of

879
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the first ones that I noticed. This one is whenever

880
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Olman is talking to Jack. It doesn't make sense. He

881
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:07.280
<v Speaker 2>says that the hotel is shut down from a certain

882
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 2>period of time to another period of time, which then

883
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't correlate with how many months Jack and his family

884
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>will actually be staying at the hotel, which is another

885
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.960
<v Speaker 2>dialogue air. This one is Almon. This is one that

886
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Jay Widner has pointed out several times. It's also in

887
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 2>our movie. It's also in Room two thirty seven as well.

888
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 2>It's whenever Jack goes to meet Almond and shake his hand.

889
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 2>The paper tray on the desk makes it look like

890
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Almond has a heart on. This one is another interesting

891
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 2>one that Jay Widner has pointed out that the Teddy

892
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Bear in the background with the fire truck in the

893
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:56.480
<v Speaker 2>background shot of Danny and Wendy before Windy goes down

894
00:58:56.559 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 2>to confront Jack and she finds out that he's not

895
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:03.800
<v Speaker 2>actually writing a novel, and he's just writing the same

896
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>phrase over and over again, which is psychic driving, psyche driving.

897
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:16.480
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what they did with Sir Han Sir Ham.

898
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:19.159
<v Speaker 2>If you look at his notebooks, it says RFK must

899
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 2>die or f G must die over and over and

900
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>over again. It's the same type of psychic driving programming

901
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that they're doing to Jack within the Shining. They're just

902
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>having him write the same sentence over and over and

903
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 2>over again. And then when Windy comes down and discovers

904
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 2>that he's not actually writing a novel, he's just writing

905
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the same sentence, he then gets triggered and tries to

906
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, kill her, to commit violence against her. But

907
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.599
<v Speaker 2>also this is where Windy picks up the baseball bat.

908
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>They see the baseball bat that's right beside the Teddy

909
00:59:53.480 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Bear gets the baseball bat. So but the baseball changes

910
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.280
<v Speaker 2>from where it is in the shots so earlier in

911
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the movie. Well, there's a whenever the doctor comes to

912
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 2>visit Danny in the movie, there's a cartoon character that

913
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.360
<v Speaker 2>is holding a baseball bat in the background here on

914
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 2>this curtain. And then also Goofy figure. This is obviously goofy,

915
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 2>but people have pointed out that this goofy person is

916
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:32.599
<v Speaker 2>dressed exactly like Wendy. Wendy, Yeah, okay. So then whenever

917
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Jack goes to look at the maze, you remember that

918
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the really famous scene whenever he goes to look at

919
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the model of the maze, and then the shot fades

920
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 2>into the shot of Wendy and Danny outside in the maze.

921
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.360
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the most perfect shots of the entire movie.

922
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:57.199
<v Speaker 2>But there's the baseball bat is sitting on the couch

923
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:01.519
<v Speaker 2>downstairs right beside them all of the mates, and then

924
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it appears later on right beside the Teddy Bear in

925
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 2>the fire truck upstairs in their apartment. Then that's where

926
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.119
<v Speaker 2>she picks up the baseball bat off of the couch

927
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:19.079
<v Speaker 2>upstairs in the apartment that she strikes Jack in the

928
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 2>head with. This one's interesting. This is a door that

929
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.480
<v Speaker 2>this is all in the same shot. So for people

930
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that's just listening, I'm showing photos of what's going on here,

931
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Like the actual photos give you a good description, but

932
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna explain it because it's important for you to hear.

933
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 2>So this is whenever Danny is rolling up to room

934
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 2>two thirty seven for the first time. There's a door

935
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 2>in this right hand corner panel that's shut, and then

936
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:55.840
<v Speaker 2>it then it cuts to the door of room two

937
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven, and then when it cuts back to Danny

938
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the door that same door is now open, and the

939
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:07.800
<v Speaker 2>carpets switches patterns when Danny is playing with the ball

940
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.400
<v Speaker 2>and the ball rolls toward Danny, and then in the

941
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 2>next establishing shot the carpet is different, which people have

942
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:22.039
<v Speaker 2>said that they just moved him over one hexagonal carpet pattern,

943
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.280
<v Speaker 2>which would make sense, but why would you do that?

944
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Right?

945
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.119
<v Speaker 2>This is the teddy bear stuff is like setting up

946
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:37.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the teddy bear symbolism. There's also a

947
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:42.119
<v Speaker 2>painting of two teddy bears within the shining, a lot

948
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 2>of the artwork on the walls within the overlook there's

949
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.639
<v Speaker 2>teddy bear symbolism. And then in the beginning of the movie,

950
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.440
<v Speaker 2>when the doctor is visiting Danny and Wendy in their

951
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 2>apartment in Boulder, Danny is laying on a teddy bear

952
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.159
<v Speaker 2>in this bottom quarter panel is what we were just

953
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:02.239
<v Speaker 2>talking about a few minutes ago. When Wendy is traumatized

954
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 2>by seeing Haller and Dad on the ground. She then

955
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.119
<v Speaker 2>goes upstairs and she sees this man and the other

956
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:13.719
<v Speaker 2>man in the Teddy Bear costume supposedly blowing This dude

957
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 2>in the suit. Tang is spotted next to other kool

958
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Aid bottles. Tang was a very important drink for astronauts

959
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:29.880
<v Speaker 2>during the Apollo missions. They said that this was the

960
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:33.199
<v Speaker 2>only type of drink that they could use because of

961
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 2>like some kind of gravity thing or whatever, so they

962
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:42.039
<v Speaker 2>had to they had to use the Tang mix.

963
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.719
<v Speaker 1>So this is like another clue.

964
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's another clue, and the Tang is what became

965
01:03:55.679 --> 01:04:01.519
<v Speaker 2>super popular after this, after it became the official drink

966
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.159
<v Speaker 2>for the astronauts.

967
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Right next to the MK kool Aid.

968
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Man, that's got.

969
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.400
<v Speaker 1>To be on purpose. That is so crazy.

970
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 2>This one is more about the moon landing. Jay Widener

971
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 2>has talked about this several times. It's in his Cuber's

972
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Odyssey one and two movies that Danny is wearing the

973
01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Apollo eleven shirt. He stands up with the carpet potter

974
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and the hexagonal carpor pattern which looks like the launch

975
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 2>pad to Apollo eleven. He then goes in the room

976
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.000
<v Speaker 2>two thirty seven. The room was switched to two seventeen

977
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.960
<v Speaker 2>in Stephen King's novel, and Cuber changed it the room

978
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.119
<v Speaker 2>two thirty seven and two thirty seven was the amount

979
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 2>of miles that people thought that the moon was away

980
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:50.679
<v Speaker 2>from Earth.

981
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Definitely on purpose.

982
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:59.199
<v Speaker 2>This this is the Shining Toy story reference. They got

983
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the same carpet and that they have the shining carpet

984
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 2>and toy story that they have in The Shining and

985
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 2>which your toy story is about a fake astronaut mm hm.

986
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:17.519
<v Speaker 1>And Tom Tom Hanks pedo Yeah.

987
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Tom Hanks is Woody just a coincidence. Tom Hanks

988
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 2>is playing a character named Woody.

989
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Right, and the Wilson ball. I'm telling you that that

990
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 1>stuff is definitely not an accident.

991
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:36.400
<v Speaker 2>And then that print being like a that type of

992
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:43.519
<v Speaker 2>print is like synonymous for like pedophilia.

993
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, that's so crazy.

994
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the CIA's one of the things that

995
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 2>they said is like a not a trigger, but like

996
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:02.159
<v Speaker 2>a a symbolic thing to let people know about pedophilia.

997
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, Is it like a moniker?

998
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Okay, So the next one is a TV not

999
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:14.320
<v Speaker 2>being plugged into anything. Several TVs throughout the movie are

1000
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 2>not being shown to be plugged into any outlet TV,

1001
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Speaker 2>no power source to any of these TVs. Okay, so

1002
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.159
<v Speaker 2>what are they watching? This is an mk ultra program.

1003
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:29.119
<v Speaker 2>This would be exactly like what Kubrick would put in

1004
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:32.599
<v Speaker 2>here if he did fake the moon landing footage, and

1005
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.760
<v Speaker 2>that was because it would be like people are watching

1006
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.559
<v Speaker 2>nothing on their TVs because it's a pre planned, pre

1007
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:45.920
<v Speaker 2>filmed mm hmm, that's what I think. Anyway.

1008
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:51.840
<v Speaker 1>It almost makes me wonder if he didn't like put

1009
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:59.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever they're watching on like after like post, you know,

1010
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>like whatever. They're just staring at blank screens and then

1011
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:07.559
<v Speaker 1>he chose like this specific scene or this specific talk

1012
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:11.159
<v Speaker 1>show for them to be watching. Do you think that

1013
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.960
<v Speaker 1>that's significant at all? Like what he chose for them

1014
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:14.800
<v Speaker 1>to be watching.

1015
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Some people have found a significance in the movie that's

1016
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 2>being played up here. I think that this is a

1017
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:26.039
<v Speaker 2>cooking show down here in the bottom. But this top

1018
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.440
<v Speaker 2>movie that they're watching here in the top panel is

1019
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I believe, the Summer of sixty nine. I think some

1020
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:41.360
<v Speaker 2>people have put some connections together for it. This one

1021
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:46.199
<v Speaker 2>is the differences and names of Charles Grady and Delbert Grady.

1022
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:52.320
<v Speaker 2>So Allman says that his name is Charles Grady, and

1023
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:58.719
<v Speaker 2>then Charles Grady refers to himself as Delbert Grady. So Jack.

1024
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.039
<v Speaker 2>So there's not only like connuity errors between like the

1025
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:08.280
<v Speaker 2>like things appearing, disappearing, things being there and then reappearing then,

1026
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:13.760
<v Speaker 2>but there's also a lot of dialogue thererors as well,

1027
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:19.000
<v Speaker 2>which I think, uh pass over a lot of people's heads.

1028
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, in that last one, this one right here,

1029
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I have in my notes and I just wanted to

1030
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:31.880
<v Speaker 1>get your your thoughts on it because the main guy,

1031
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.279
<v Speaker 1>the manager guy, he says that there was a caretaker

1032
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:39.319
<v Speaker 1>who had a girl, one was eight and one was ten,

1033
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and that he hacked him up with an axe. But

1034
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:49.159
<v Speaker 1>when they're shown, they're clearly twins, not one being eight

1035
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and one being ten. So I just wanted to get

1036
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on that too, because I felt like that

1037
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.359
<v Speaker 1>was another like why would you mention that one was

1038
01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:58.960
<v Speaker 1>eight and one was ten, but then when you show

1039
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.039
<v Speaker 1>them they're identical twins, And then you have like that

1040
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.079
<v Speaker 1>monarch post d in the background on the first siding

1041
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:08.880
<v Speaker 1>of the twins and stuff, It's like, what, really, why

1042
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.039
<v Speaker 1>put that in there and then show twins? You know

1043
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:12.479
<v Speaker 1>what I mean?

1044
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what we were going to put together in

1045
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the we had to cut a few things out because one,

1046
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 2>we didn't want this movie to be super ridiculously long.

1047
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if people have ever edited a almost

1048
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:27.079
<v Speaker 2>two hour long movie.

1049
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:31.439
<v Speaker 1>It becomes a pain daunting.

1050
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:34.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure, unting, Like there was times I just

1051
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:36.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted to bang my head up against the freaking wall,

1052
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. But we had a whole section in there

1053
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:48.159
<v Speaker 2>that ended up getting acts because Almond does say that

1054
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:50.359
<v Speaker 2>they were eating ten right, and we had a whole

1055
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 2>section that was about the experimentations that the Nazis were

1056
01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:02.560
<v Speaker 2>doing on twins, and you were gonna connect a bunch

1057
01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of things to the twins within the movie. But then

1058
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:11.279
<v Speaker 2>we felt like that people would come at us because

1059
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:13.359
<v Speaker 2>they would say, well, they're not really twins, and then

1060
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.319
<v Speaker 2>that would just discount the entire you know, ten minutes

1061
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 2>that we had on all the twins stuff.

1062
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.800
<v Speaker 1>But they were twins like that, like you could tell

1063
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:23.199
<v Speaker 1>that's what he was going for.

1064
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:29.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, Yes, it is odd, It is really odd.

1065
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:37.119
<v Speaker 2>It was it was Hitler's right hand man, blinking on his.

1066
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Name right now, but he was the one Mangola.

1067
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Manglo, Yes, Joseph Mangola was responsible for a lot

1068
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:51.720
<v Speaker 2>of the early mind control operations that Nazi Germany was doing,

1069
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 2>and he was doing a lot of experimentation on twins.

1070
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.680
<v Speaker 1>So wasn't there also like a project Gemini or something

1071
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:04.600
<v Speaker 1>like that too that kind of like went along with

1072
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Monarch because when the first sighting, when Danny sees the

1073
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.560
<v Speaker 1>first sighting of the twins, it's like the twins standing there,

1074
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.800
<v Speaker 1>identical dress, everything, and then in the background is like

1075
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.199
<v Speaker 1>the Monarch poster on the wall, and it almost makes

1076
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you think like Gemini Twins Monarch, Like there's so much

1077
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.199
<v Speaker 1>going on just in that one little flash of a scene,

1078
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.399
<v Speaker 1>and if you're not paying attention, you'd never know. But

1079
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:35.960
<v Speaker 1>then Allman, when he's talking about Grady or whatever, he

1080
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.760
<v Speaker 1>says that they were just sisters eight and ten. So

1081
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Stanley Kuber definitely is trying to say something with just

1082
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:49.279
<v Speaker 1>visual work of the twins too, in my opinion at least.

1083
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:52.720
<v Speaker 2>And not only don't there's two of them that makes eleven?

1084
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:54.159
<v Speaker 2>There's eleven symbolism?

1085
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.960
<v Speaker 1>All oh right, right, yeah, yeah, I remember you mentioned

1086
01:11:58.000 --> 01:11:59.359
<v Speaker 1>in that all.

1087
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:05.000
<v Speaker 2>The doors are double doors that are elevens. You have

1088
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the candle odors in the like around the hotel that

1089
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.720
<v Speaker 2>look like elevens, the lights hanging from the walls look

1090
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 2>like there's there's just eleven twin type symbolism throughout the

1091
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:23.920
<v Speaker 2>entire movie. And then when you think of, okay, well,

1092
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.880
<v Speaker 2>why is all this like point eleven stuff in there?

1093
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.560
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at like this might be a stretch.

1094
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:37.680
<v Speaker 2>But some people believe that Hubert didn't actually die, that

1095
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.439
<v Speaker 2>he like faked his us so that he could work

1096
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:45.520
<v Speaker 2>for the intelligence world and the military as like a

1097
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:56.359
<v Speaker 2>deep black budget filmmaker. Wow, okay, so damn what better

1098
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 2>person could you think of to completely fake something that

1099
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:12.079
<v Speaker 2>probably faked something before with the nineteen sixty nine moonlanding footage.

1100
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you do something like that with nine eleven?

1101
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Damn?

1102
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:18.479
<v Speaker 3>Man?

1103
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Stanley Kubrick is one of the deepest Pandora's box. I

1104
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:29.319
<v Speaker 1>mean that is just why I mean, I feel like

1105
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:34.119
<v Speaker 1>not the entire story is being told with ice white

1106
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:39.000
<v Speaker 1>shut and then him dying shortly afterwards. Was he repurposed?

1107
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:45.079
<v Speaker 1>I think that could be very likely, because maybe they

1108
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:49.039
<v Speaker 1>were mad at him for whatever that he was trying

1109
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:51.399
<v Speaker 1>to say with eyes white shut? Were they mad enough

1110
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:56.159
<v Speaker 1>at him to kill him? I don't know. I don't

1111
01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:58.359
<v Speaker 1>think he'd died of a heart attack, that's for damn sure.

1112
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't normally.

1113
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Kill assets, right, That's what I'm saying is like, so

1114
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:15.159
<v Speaker 1>what he made this movie Eyes Wide Shot? Like, did

1115
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you do you really think it was so bad that

1116
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:23.000
<v Speaker 1>they should that they would have killed him? I don't know, I.

1117
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Mean, And then there's also the the thought and their

1118
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 2>idea that he could have had a heart attack. But

1119
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:35.119
<v Speaker 2>it is really suspicious how soon it was after he

1120
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:40.439
<v Speaker 2>showed as Wide Shot to the producers and the actors,

1121
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:43.039
<v Speaker 2>they had like a private screening, and then like six

1122
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:47.319
<v Speaker 2>days later he's dead. It's pretty right. Then they supposedly

1123
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:53.319
<v Speaker 2>recut the film mm hmmm mm hmm. And only people

1124
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that would be able to know if that wasn't the

1125
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:01.600
<v Speaker 2>original film that they saw would be like Nicole Kidman,

1126
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise and.

1127
01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 1>The executives, and they're scientologists slash occultists. They're definitely not

1128
01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:15.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna say anything, right, but you know, okay.

1129
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's even if they would remember, because you know

1130
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:20.760
<v Speaker 2>how like you're just watch a movie one time, there

1131
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:24.159
<v Speaker 2>is there for a party or whatever. I would like

1132
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to talk to I would like to talk to Tom Cruse.

1133
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I would definitely talk to Tom Cruise. There's a footage of

1134
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 2>him of Tom Cruise being interviewed about Stanley Kubrick and

1135
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:39.399
<v Speaker 2>he's like crying. But there's weird there's weird stuff about

1136
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise and Stanley Kubrick as well. Apparently, whenever Kubrick

1137
01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 2>was filming Eyes White Shot, the movie went on for

1138
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.880
<v Speaker 2>way longer or it was ever intended, like Tom Cruise

1139
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:53.560
<v Speaker 2>had to turn down several projects just to continue to

1140
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:58.199
<v Speaker 2>work with Stanley Kubrick on Eyes White Shot. But reportedly

1141
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:06.720
<v Speaker 2>there was a day of filming that Qubic made Tom

1142
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Cruise put on a dress and come out on set

1143
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to be berated by everybody.

1144
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:23.439
<v Speaker 1>What literally, But.

1145
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Then when you get into the all the dress stuff,

1146
01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, the actors that are you know,

1147
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.680
<v Speaker 2>made to wear dresses?

1148
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh one hundred.

1149
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Is the dress ritual? Right?

1150
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:46.560
<v Speaker 1>The humiliation and the Okay, okay, let me get your

1151
01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:49.279
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on this because I want to kind of tie

1152
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:55.359
<v Speaker 1>it in with this scene here when Jack goes for

1153
01:16:55.399 --> 01:17:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the interview. This was definitely in your documentary. Almond mentions

1154
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the people in Denver several times, but we don't know

1155
01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:07.319
<v Speaker 1>who the fuck he's talking about. They never specify who

1156
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:14.640
<v Speaker 1>are the people in Denver? And I find it interesting

1157
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:20.039
<v Speaker 1>that he filmed Eyes Wide Shut in Colorado. I believe

1158
01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:27.199
<v Speaker 1>it was near Denver. And then Dave McGowan wrote all

1159
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:30.800
<v Speaker 1>this stuff about how when the Wonderland Pedophilia raids broke through,

1160
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people had pictures of John Benet Ramsey

1161
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:38.039
<v Speaker 1>like on, like naked pictures of her and weird stuff

1162
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like that, and she was from Colorado as well. So

1163
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:46.800
<v Speaker 1>in Program to Kill he mentions how there are these

1164
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:54.560
<v Speaker 1>elitist people Eyes Wide Shutters living in Colorado, Denver, Boulder area,

1165
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 1>that they're all involved in this stuff. And I find

1166
01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:07.199
<v Speaker 1>it interesting that the shining Eyes Wide Shut, the Wonderland raids,

1167
01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the Eyes Wide Shut parties and stuff like that, we're

1168
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.840
<v Speaker 1>all are all kind of connected. And there's like the

1169
01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:20.439
<v Speaker 1>weird pageant queen that dies in Eyes Wide Shut, and

1170
01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Jaban A. Ramsey was like a little pageant queen or whatever.

1171
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.119
<v Speaker 1>But it's almost like he's he. Everything is so layered

1172
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:33.399
<v Speaker 1>with like ritualism. I guess you would say, like, what

1173
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:37.760
<v Speaker 1>actually is going on with this stuff?

1174
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, Colorado has been known to be heavily intelligence like

1175
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:53.880
<v Speaker 2>especially Denver. I'm pretty sure Denver as a CIA headquarters

1176
01:18:54.319 --> 01:19:00.359
<v Speaker 2>mm hmm. Currently, and a lot of colts come out

1177
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:11.279
<v Speaker 2>of Colorado. All of Stephen King's novels is basically based

1178
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 2>out of Colorado, Colorail.

1179
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:20.319
<v Speaker 1>It's like they're telling you without telling you. But I

1180
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:21.039
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to.

1181
01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Supposedly supposed to be set up as like the New

1182
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.520
<v Speaker 2>World Order headquarters. That's where That's why everybody wants to

1183
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:32.840
<v Speaker 2>go to Colorado. That's why they love car Why everybody

1184
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in California is like, go to Colorado. That's why all

1185
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:41.479
<v Speaker 2>the colorado Ons are pissed off at Whenever people come

1186
01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:43.640
<v Speaker 2>in and they have a California idea or they have

1187
01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:47.279
<v Speaker 2>California tags on their car, They're like, what, get the

1188
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:53.600
<v Speaker 2>fuck out of here. But everybody, everybody looks that lives

1189
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:58.159
<v Speaker 2>and has been born and raised in California look at

1190
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Colorado as California. Like other people that's not born in

1191
01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:10.199
<v Speaker 2>California look at California mm hmm. People that are born

1192
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>in other states, they look at like California as like

1193
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the I'm not everyone, but most people look at California

1194
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:20.640
<v Speaker 2>as like the pinnacle, like that's where you want to live.

1195
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:26.920
<v Speaker 2>But well, in California look at Colorado as the pinnacle,

1196
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:31.279
<v Speaker 2>like I've I lived in Colorado for around three years,

1197
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and then I moved back to California. So I had

1198
01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.119
<v Speaker 2>lived in California for about five years, moved to Colorado,

1199
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.439
<v Speaker 2>lived there for about three and then moved back to California.

1200
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:46.239
<v Speaker 2>And then when a new city in a new area

1201
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:50.399
<v Speaker 2>more north than where I was in southern California before,

1202
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:54.600
<v Speaker 2>and whenever people ask me like, oh, well, where are

1203
01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>you from, and I normally just say, you know, I'm

1204
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm from college. Because I just recently moved back to California,

1205
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I normally don't say, all lived in California before and

1206
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm just back here again, and because we just recently

1207
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.439
<v Speaker 2>came from Colorado. And then they're like, oh, well, why

1208
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.399
<v Speaker 2>did you decide to move to California. I wouldn't have

1209
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:20.119
<v Speaker 2>done that, so they look at like I would never

1210
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:25.399
<v Speaker 2>have left Colorado. So it's like they all look at

1211
01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Colorado as like this great, amazing right that is going

1212
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:35.319
<v Speaker 2>to be set up as like the essentially New World

1213
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Order headquarters the people been talking about for a really

1214
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:42.359
<v Speaker 2>long time, that they moved everything to Colorado.

1215
01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:45.399
<v Speaker 1>And that's where I would agree with you with that,

1216
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:49.079
<v Speaker 1>because it's like after the Laurel Canyon stuff and like

1217
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>all the weirdness came up out of California, it did

1218
01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:56.960
<v Speaker 1>seem to kind of shift over and then it was

1219
01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 1>like in the nineties with like the Wonderland raids and

1220
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.119
<v Speaker 1>stuff like what David McGowan was writing about. All that

1221
01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:06.159
<v Speaker 1>stuff was coming up out of Colorado. So those two

1222
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:12.039
<v Speaker 1>places are like the epicenters for a lot of this.

1223
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:18.880
<v Speaker 2>And think about it. Colorado is landlocked. Okay, the coasts

1224
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:25.479
<v Speaker 2>aren't safe states to be in. If another country attacks,

1225
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:28.920
<v Speaker 2>then they're going to hit the coast. They're not going

1226
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.520
<v Speaker 2>to be able to hit the freaking center of the

1227
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:37.439
<v Speaker 2>United States, right, Yeah, they're going to come on boats.

1228
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Then they're gonna hit one of the coasts. They're going

1229
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to be the coast for the West Coast, So Washington, Oregon, California, Florida, Oregon, Florida,

1230
01:22:55.399 --> 01:23:01.039
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia. Right, that's where the attacks

1231
01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:04.760
<v Speaker 2>are going to come from. So it used to be

1232
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.800
<v Speaker 2>more onlike the East coast was like their hideout in

1233
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:13.079
<v Speaker 2>their you know, where they planned all of their operations,

1234
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:19.119
<v Speaker 2>unlike the East, like northeast. But I think that they

1235
01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:21.640
<v Speaker 2>have switched it and they have just gone to the

1236
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:28.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty much the Midwest. They're right in the center. Because

1237
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that would also say from you'd be safe from any

1238
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.439
<v Speaker 2>kind of cataclysm, like if there was a giant tsunami,

1239
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you'd be safe in Colorado. There's there's actually a CIA document.

1240
01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:43.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've read it. It's called the

1241
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.039
<v Speaker 2>it's called Adam and Eve. It's called the Adam and

1242
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Eve Story, and it's a document that talks about that

1243
01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:55.079
<v Speaker 2>there is going to be a giant cataclysm that's going

1244
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:59.479
<v Speaker 2>to come that's basically going to eradicate the entire population.

1245
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:04.399
<v Speaker 2>They don't know when it's going to be, but when

1246
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:11.560
<v Speaker 2>it happens, the only place in North America that you

1247
01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.680
<v Speaker 2>could go to survive it is the Rocky Mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yep, Oh okay, that makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so they're predicting like John Cusack twenty twelve movie,

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01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:32.199
<v Speaker 1>but like in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There, it's a legitimate, legitimate it's CIA documents on

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01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:42.479
<v Speaker 2>the CIA website. I think it's called oh this is

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01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:46.279
<v Speaker 2>trying to pop this up on my other screen here,

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01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:50.039
<v Speaker 2>but it's called the Adam and Eve. Let me get

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01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:52.560
<v Speaker 2>out of this. We'll come back to that in a minute. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me google real quick Adam and E CIA docu

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<v Speaker 2>Adam and Eve story. Yep, this is it.

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01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:11.640
<v Speaker 1>And what a name too? How cryptic?

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01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I want to get rid of this. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Adam and Eve Story by Chan Thomas. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>declassified CIA document on the CIA website. It's a pretty

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01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>long document. There's a lot of pages to it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>fifty seven pages. But it gives you like a timeline

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01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:39.439
<v Speaker 2>of like all of the great supposed catastrophes in the

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01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:43.680
<v Speaker 2>past and then that we are going to experience a

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01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>here's the contents, the next cataclysm, the great flood, the story,

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01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:54.760
<v Speaker 2>the event, genesis, and the conclusion. It's a very fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>What does the Noah's Flood have been six thousand and

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01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:07.319
<v Speaker 2>five hundred years ago? There was another flood like Adam

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01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and Eve's flood that happened eleven thousand and five hundred

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01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>years ago, So it seems like it's kind of working

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01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>in like five thousand to six thousand.

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01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Year cycles, right, So it's like we're due for one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck, let me see. Okay, So within three hours

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<v Speaker 2>of the Fantastic Wall of water moves across the continent,

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01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:40.520
<v Speaker 2>burying when ravage land under two miles of seething water

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01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:45.319
<v Speaker 2>coast to coast. In the all the vicinities of civilizations

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01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:50.760
<v Speaker 2>are gone. The great cities Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Donallas,

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01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.640
<v Speaker 2>New York are nothing but legends. Barely a stone is

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01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.239
<v Speaker 2>left for millions walk just a few hours before a

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<v Speaker 2>few lucky ones who managed to find shelter from the

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01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>screaming wind and lee landslide of Pike's Peak, which the

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01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:08.920
<v Speaker 2>sea is molten fire, break through the quaking valleys below.

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01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The raging waters flow appeeling higher and higher, streaming over

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01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the molten earth fire and rising almost to their feet.

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01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Only great mountains such as this can withstand the cataclysmic onslaught.

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<v Speaker 2>The North America is not alone in her death throws.

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01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Central America suffers the same concaid wind, earth and fire.

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01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>South America finds the Andes not high enough to stop

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01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>the cataclysmic violence pounded out by the nature of her

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01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:43.520
<v Speaker 2>berserk rage. In less than a day, Alsalvador, Peru, and

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01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Western Brazil are shaken madly by the devastating earthquake, burned

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<v Speaker 2>by molten earthfire, buried under a two big miles of

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01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Pacific seas and turned into a frozen hell. Everything freezes, man, beast, plant, mud,

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01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:59.800
<v Speaker 2>all rock hard in less than four hours. They're talking

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<v Speaker 2>out a very big, giant cataclysm that within the matter

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<v Speaker 2>of hours everything is just completely destroyed Western Africa, Siberia.

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<v Speaker 2>The Earth is left unfrozen in the entire Eastern Asian continent,

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01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.399
<v Speaker 2>most of which remains below sea level east of the

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01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Royals in Western Siberia. A few lucky people survive the

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01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:24.479
<v Speaker 2>fantastic winds and quakes. Antarctica and Greenland, with their ice

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01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>caps now rotate around the Earth into the tory Roid zone.

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01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:31.359
<v Speaker 2>The Fury of the Winding Foundation match for six days

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01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and nights. Six days and knights. This is supposed to

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01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.279
<v Speaker 2>go on. During the sixth day, the ocean starts to

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01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>settle and the new homes running off of high grounds.

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01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.479
<v Speaker 2>The seventh day, horrendous rampages over the Arctic ice is

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01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:46.199
<v Speaker 2>ended and a new stone age begins. So this is

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01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>basically a let's make reset that is predicted in the future. Okay,

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01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:56.119
<v Speaker 2>so have deep layer existing over the Great Plains and

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01:28:56.159 --> 01:29:01.279
<v Speaker 2>exposed in the Grand Canyon, painted and bad lands. The

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01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:04.479
<v Speaker 2>Bay of the Basin in the east of India is

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01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>now the North Pole. So this is like a big

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01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>like a tectonic plate shift, like a huge thing that

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01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>kicks off these big natural disasters. I'm just trying to

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01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>find where it says the safe places to be where.

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01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:24.199
<v Speaker 2>But it was like the Rocky mountains, and then like

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01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the part of the mountains and the springs like Colorado Springs. Wow,

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01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>but it's in this document. I don't want to waste

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01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>too much time on it, but that's just a part

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01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:42.439
<v Speaker 2>of the whole thing. They I think that they believe

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01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>that Colorado is going to be like a safe haven

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01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:50.399
<v Speaker 2>for not only cataclysmic disaster, but they can set up

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01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:53.359
<v Speaker 2>their operations here as well.

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01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>That's horrific.

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01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I would recommend looking at that document that your story.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you scared?

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01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>No, Because I don't think it's going to be for

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01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:05.359
<v Speaker 2>a really long time.

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01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:07.439
<v Speaker 1>I think, like really, like if you had to, if

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01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:10.159
<v Speaker 1>you had a ballpark it. Are we gonna be old

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01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>or are we gonna be young enough to suffer?

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01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I'll be way dead and gone by the

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01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:24.039
<v Speaker 2>time anything really, but I might be back. I mean,

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01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>if reincarnation's real, we're probably all going to be the right.

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01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean if I'm like in a nursing

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01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>home and I have Alzheimer's, who cares, right, But if

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01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be in like ten years, twenty years, that's

1339
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna suck. I don't want to be in the apocalypse.

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01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:46.479
<v Speaker 2>No, it won't be Okay. This next one is a

1341
01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>really crazy connuity are that a lot of people don't

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01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:54.640
<v Speaker 2>even catch. I didn't even catch this one. This one's

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01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:58.479
<v Speaker 2>really important though. Okay. So, when Hollerin is giving a

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01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:03.880
<v Speaker 2>tour to the to Danny and Wendy, the first door

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01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that he opens before the storage room is the freezer room. Right.

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01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:10.399
<v Speaker 2>He opens the freezer room and he says, this is

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01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the freezer room. This is where we keep the He

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01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:16.239
<v Speaker 2>asks Danny if he likes pork or something like that,

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01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>or checking. And when he opens the door, you can

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01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:25.159
<v Speaker 2>see on this top quarter panel on the left, the

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01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>handle is on the right side of the door. Okay,

1352
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and they enter into the freezer room. This is the

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01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>next quarter panel at the bottom of the screen is

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01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:41.479
<v Speaker 2>when they exit the freezer room. The handle to the

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01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:48.319
<v Speaker 2>door is on the opposite side of the freezer room door,

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01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:52.399
<v Speaker 2>and the background is a completely different background.

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01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:58.399
<v Speaker 4>Dude, that's not even the same location. And we never noticed,

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01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:08.439
<v Speaker 4>never noticed. Why that is a fucking mind blower.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's really interesting about this one is that people

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01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:17.479
<v Speaker 2>will claim that he just shot it from the other side. No,

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01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:20.079
<v Speaker 2>but even if you shot it from the other side,

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01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't change the side that of the.

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01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:38.560
<v Speaker 5>Door handle, right, Oh my god, Yep, that's not even

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01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:39.600
<v Speaker 5>the same room.

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01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Nope, completely different room. Whenever they walk in, it has

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01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the kitchen in the background. Whenever they walk out, it's

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01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>like in a it's a completely different thing. You have

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01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>these dishes and these uh, these utensils and everything. Whenever

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01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:56.359
<v Speaker 2>they first go in, and you can see the background

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01:32:56.359 --> 01:32:59.439
<v Speaker 2>of the kitchen. You can see the ventilation system that's

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01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>above the stove there. You have a chalk board in

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01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:06.399
<v Speaker 2>the background. When they walk out, the whole background is different.

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01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>There's these two double wide doors, which is the eleven

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01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:13.439
<v Speaker 2>doors here the eleven symbolism of the door. You have

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01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:16.560
<v Speaker 2>like some kind of switchboard here on the right. The

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01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:20.560
<v Speaker 2>chalkboard is completely gone. You have two you have a

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01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:24.319
<v Speaker 2>fire alarm and then a fire alarm bell above it,

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01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and two windows.

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01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>But why it rider if Stanley is a perfectionist which

1380
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:37.159
<v Speaker 1>we know that he was. Why did he do this?

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01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe that he did this to make the viewer

1382
01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>start to question their reality subconsciously, unknowingly, just lag Jack

1383
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is starting to question his reality within the movie. So

1384
01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>you feel like that you're going down the downward spiral,

1385
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>and you don't really know why you're going down this

1386
01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:09.079
<v Speaker 2>downward spiral because it's a subconscious layering to the movie.

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01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:14.039
<v Speaker 1>But that's that transcendence I was talking about. Every time

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01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I watch it, that's how I feel.

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01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:22.279
<v Speaker 2>So it's affecting your subconscious mind to get you on

1390
01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the same page as Jack as he's going through his

1391
01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:33.600
<v Speaker 2>delusions and essentially going crazy by the CIA operation to

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01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:35.760
<v Speaker 2>try and get him to kill his family. But you

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01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:40.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know why because you don't pick up these things

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01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>on the first view or even through the twentieth view,

1395
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.159
<v Speaker 2>maybe even the fiftieth of view. You're not going to

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01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:51.399
<v Speaker 2>see a lot of this stuff, okay, but you get

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01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>an uneasy feeling when you're working, definitely, And that is

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01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:04.199
<v Speaker 2>the reason why, because he's subconsciously training your mind to

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01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>go to take this journey along with the characters in

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01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

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01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow, and that and there's the proof right there.

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01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:27.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's too much. It's interesting, it is insanity.

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01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:32.359
<v Speaker 2>So this is the Beatles Connections to Abby Road. The

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01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>top photo is of the Beatles Abbey Road album cover,

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01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and this is Almond, Wendy, Jack, and Bill Watson, which

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01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:49.479
<v Speaker 2>is Alman's assistant, which we didn't really get too much

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01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:53.960
<v Speaker 2>into Bill Watson in the documentary. We had a lot

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01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.079
<v Speaker 2>more things on Bill Watson. We might end up doing

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01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.439
<v Speaker 2>a like a director's cut of this movie and including

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01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:03.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot more stuff in it, but we had this

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01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:06.439
<v Speaker 2>whole section on Bill Watson and how we related him

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01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:11.359
<v Speaker 2>to Sydney Gottlieb, which was head of the MK Ultra programs.

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01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.199
<v Speaker 2>They even look similar, but it was difficult to do

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01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>because very few photos exist of Sydney Gottlieb out there,

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01:36:22.119 --> 01:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>but they looked strikingly similar. And then the Beatle, this

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01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>white beetle that's in the background of the Abbey Road photo.

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01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:37.439
<v Speaker 2>So in Stephen King's novel, the beatle is a red beetle,

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01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>but the beatle that the Volkswagen Beetle that Jack drives,

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01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:44.720
<v Speaker 2>and the shining is a yellow beetle. And then when

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01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Allman is driving up to the Overlook Hotel, whenever he

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01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:52.760
<v Speaker 2>flies in from Florida, which is another really strange. I

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01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's a connuity error or a dialogue era,

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01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:58.520
<v Speaker 2>or a story or writing error. But if you remember

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01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>when Hallerin is Lane in the hotel room in Florida

1425
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:09.720
<v Speaker 2>for his vacation, the news said that the weather was

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01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>so bad that all flights had been canceled, but somehow

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01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:15.399
<v Speaker 2>he got a flight into.

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01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Calling Oh shit, I never caught that. Oh my god.

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01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:29.199
<v Speaker 2>So then whenever he's trying to to the overlook, there's

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01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>the red Volkswagen beetle that had been crushed underneath a

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01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:39.640
<v Speaker 2>semi which many have described this as being a stab

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01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>at Stephen King by Stanley Kubrick, like you know this

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01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:46.800
<v Speaker 2>is this is him showing him that you know you

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01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:50.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't write this. I wrote this. I'm the man. You

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01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>might be a good author, you might sell millions of

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01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>copies of your books, but I'm a filmmaker and this

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01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.079
<v Speaker 2>is a film, and I'm going to do what I

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01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>want with this film.

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01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like a like a fuck you, yep, Wow, that

1440
01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>is so crazy.

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01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:14.319
<v Speaker 2>So you got the beatle, you got Stephen King's beadle

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01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>being changed from a red budle to a yellow beatle.

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01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:18.439
<v Speaker 2>You have the beatle in the background of the abbey

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01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Road photo. Then you have them looking like that they

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01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>are and this is John Lennon's uh beatle in the background.

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01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Really yep, And then you have them looking like this

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01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>doing the exact same walk as the Abbey Road photo.

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01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:48.119
<v Speaker 2>And Stephen King was inspired the name the book The Shining,

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01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:53.439
<v Speaker 2>based off of a John Lennon song, instinct Karma.

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01:38:54.600 --> 01:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>What you didn't put that in the documentary, did you?

1451
01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say that is, Oh, you gotta do

1452
01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a director's cut. This stuff is too good. That is wild.

1453
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:19.079
<v Speaker 2>We all shine on? Uh huh? The how the song

1454
01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:23.279
<v Speaker 2>instant Karma goes? And Stephen King got that inspiration to

1455
01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>call the novel The Shining based off of that John

1456
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Lennon song.

1457
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And was it the original script like that they gave

1458
01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:35.119
<v Speaker 1>or like Kubrick was. They basically said, hey, you're gonna

1459
01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:39.239
<v Speaker 1>make this movie because he turned down The Exorcist and

1460
01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>they were like, well, you're going to do this one.

1461
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>And it was called The Shine.

1462
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that was the original Because Warner Brothers got

1463
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a pre published copy of The Shining and it was

1464
01:39:54.800 --> 01:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>titled The Shine. That was the original title. For Stephen

1465
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.199
<v Speaker 2>King's novel. I mean we and we show that in

1466
01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the movie. The the pre published copy is The Shine

1467
01:40:10.600 --> 01:40:13.920
<v Speaker 2>by Stephen King. Okay, so then he changed it to

1468
01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>The Shining. Okay, so that's all the Beatles. The Beatles

1469
01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:25.079
<v Speaker 2>thing is insane. But I don't know if I have

1470
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the slide in here or not. I'm I don't think

1471
01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that I do, which is a shame. But shit, I

1472
01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:36.439
<v Speaker 2>can't believe I didn't put this one in here.

1473
01:40:37.239 --> 01:40:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Isn't a Beatles thing.

1474
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a Beatles thing. So Kubrick was asked to

1475
01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:54.640
<v Speaker 2>direct j. R. R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings movie. Okay,

1476
01:40:54.840 --> 01:41:01.319
<v Speaker 2>no shit, And this was supposed to be the the

1477
01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Beatles were going to be all the Hobbits.

1478
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:12.359
<v Speaker 1>What yeah, oh stop it.

1479
01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:18.720
<v Speaker 2>So ultimately Stanley Kubrick turned it down because he said

1480
01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:24.439
<v Speaker 2>that the technology wasn't right at the time. They didn't

1481
01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>have the technology to do it. And then it you know,

1482
01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:31.560
<v Speaker 2>later on. Peter Jackson then picked it up and directed

1483
01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:37.359
<v Speaker 2>the Lord of the Rings movie. But Stanley Kubrick was

1484
01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:42.479
<v Speaker 2>in talks with the Beatles and with J. R. Tolkien

1485
01:41:43.239 --> 01:41:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to direct the Lord of the Rings movies, with the

1486
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Beatles acting as the Hobbits and the Lord of the

1487
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Rings movies.

1488
01:41:50.359 --> 01:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>So Laurel Canyon meets Tavis Stock and they fucking have

1489
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:59.479
<v Speaker 1>a Lord of the Rings baby. Oh my god, can

1490
01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you imagine imagine Ryder what that would have been like?

1491
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep. I don't know where that slide is. I

1492
01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:11.880
<v Speaker 2>think it's in here somewhere. But that's what this slide

1493
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:18.399
<v Speaker 2>is about, is that Kubrick was being, uh, it's in

1494
01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>here somewhere. I don't know where it is.

1495
01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:23.399
<v Speaker 1>But can you imagine even what The Exorcist would have

1496
01:42:23.439 --> 01:42:26.079
<v Speaker 1>been like if it was a Kubrick film. I mean,

1497
01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I love The Exorcist as it is. I mean, I

1498
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>think Freedakin nailed it, crushed it. It's going to be

1499
01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:38.279
<v Speaker 1>an eternal movie. But I do wonder what it would

1500
01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:42.439
<v Speaker 1>have been like as a Kubrick film, because his mind

1501
01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.760
<v Speaker 1>just works so differently.

1502
01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It probably would not have gone over well because he

1503
01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:53.720
<v Speaker 2>would have made it very practical and not be supernatural.

1504
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Supernaturally yeah, freaking.

1505
01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Dead with it. As Kubrick didn't believe in the paranormal.

1506
01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's there's an interview with Stephen King talking

1507
01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:10.119
<v Speaker 2>about how Cubrick would call him up at like three

1508
01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:13.119
<v Speaker 2>am or like in the morning and be like, hey,

1509
01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:15.119
<v Speaker 2>do you believe in God?

1510
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god? Can you imagine? No wonder? Stephen King

1511
01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, fuck this guy, I'm making my own movie.

1512
01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, poor Stephen King.

1513
01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:36.399
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's uh, that's just super interesting to me.

1514
01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:38.439
<v Speaker 2>All the Beatles stuff and all the connections.

1515
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh one hundred wild.

1516
01:43:42.079 --> 01:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Then you have let me get to this other side. Okay,

1517
01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>so this is pretty much the smoking gun of our

1518
01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:58.560
<v Speaker 2>entire synopsis of the movie at Clockwork Shining is that

1519
01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Windy and the beginning of the movie is reading a

1520
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:07.439
<v Speaker 2>book by an intelligence officer named J. D. Salinger. What's

1521
01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:11.079
<v Speaker 2>is called Catcher in the Rye, and the Catcher in

1522
01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the Rye has been linked to two major assassinations. There

1523
01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Don Lennon, which gets into the Beatles stuff. M this

1524
01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>was it, this happened. Stephen King had this novel in

1525
01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:33.960
<v Speaker 2>his movie a year before both of these assassinations happened.

1526
01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:38.159
<v Speaker 2>So John Lennon hadn't been assassinated yet, neither had the

1527
01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>attempted assassination on Ronald Reagan. Those are the two assassinations

1528
01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>that Catcher in the Rye was reportedly on the scene with. Okay,

1529
01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>so Mark David Chapman was found on the scene of

1530
01:44:56.039 --> 01:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>h after he shot John Lennon, and he was reading

1531
01:45:01.239 --> 01:45:03.720
<v Speaker 2>the book. He was sitting on the curb waiting for

1532
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the police to arrive, reading the book Catcher in the Rye. Then,

1533
01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:15.039
<v Speaker 2>and in his defense, he stood up and said, if

1534
01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:17.199
<v Speaker 2>you want to know the reason why I did it,

1535
01:45:17.279 --> 01:45:18.680
<v Speaker 2>then all you have to do is read the book

1536
01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>The Catcher in the Rye. And then when a a

1537
01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>psychiatrist visited him in prison, he was still reading the

1538
01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:30.520
<v Speaker 2>book like two years later. This book has been synonymous

1539
01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:35.760
<v Speaker 2>with researchers talking about how the Catcher in the Rye

1540
01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:41.039
<v Speaker 2>book by intelligence officer JD. Salinger, is a trigger mechanism

1541
01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>for MK ultra assassin Windy is reading it in the

1542
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:52.960
<v Speaker 2>shiny So how did Stanley Kubrick know to put this

1543
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>book in this movie a year before both of these

1544
01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:04.680
<v Speaker 2>assassinations would happen, where both of the assailants was reading

1545
01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:06.319
<v Speaker 2>The Catcher in the Rack.

1546
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to say it's because he's CIA. I don't

1547
01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>think he was a prophet or anything like that, and

1548
01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:18.279
<v Speaker 1>he had some kind of psychic ability. I think he

1549
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:24.119
<v Speaker 1>was in upper echelon type shit. And they were cluing

1550
01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>him into some stuff.

1551
01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:32.720
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I mean, it makes sense, right, makes sense.

1552
01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:35.920
<v Speaker 2>This is like the again, this is a smoking gun

1553
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:41.119
<v Speaker 2>that we connect to the entire assassination and him being

1554
01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:45.279
<v Speaker 2>programmed to like Jack within the movie being programmed. And

1555
01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Jack is a writer too. I mean, that's exactly what

1556
01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:49.479
<v Speaker 2>he says to Amend in the beginning of the movie

1557
01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:52.079
<v Speaker 2>that he would love to be up here because then

1558
01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:55.399
<v Speaker 2>you can focus on his novel. He's a right right,

1559
01:46:57.119 --> 01:47:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Catcher in the Right was required reading in school.

1560
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:06.119
<v Speaker 1>And out of all the books you know, like in this,

1561
01:47:06.399 --> 01:47:11.159
<v Speaker 1>in this this scene right here, it's and as we

1562
01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:14.279
<v Speaker 1>talked about before, Stanley is a perfectionist. He does everything

1563
01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:17.039
<v Speaker 1>on purpose. So out of all those books back there

1564
01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:20.079
<v Speaker 1>that if it was just to be random that they

1565
01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:23.720
<v Speaker 1>could have chosen, it's it has to be this one.

1566
01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:30.600
<v Speaker 1>And even like what she's wearing. And I mean, I've

1567
01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I've heard a couple of presentations on how they think

1568
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that there are little Catcher in the Rye clues in

1569
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the wardrobe and other other stuff throughout the shining that

1570
01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that go back to the Catcher in the Rye, but

1571
01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>definitely on purpose. One hundred.

1572
01:47:52.399 --> 01:47:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Then you have John Hinckley Junior. That was the attempt

1573
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:58.640
<v Speaker 2>at assassination on Ronald Reagan that was had the same

1574
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:01.159
<v Speaker 2>thing on this person. He ad the Catcher in the

1575
01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Rye book. And both of these assassinations, the one assassination

1576
01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:08.600
<v Speaker 2>on John Lennon by Mark David Chapman and then the

1577
01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:12.119
<v Speaker 2>John Hinckley attims of assassination on Ronald Reagan both had

1578
01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:16.199
<v Speaker 2>this book. So it's been discussed for a really long time.

1579
01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>The Catcher in the Rye is a mk ultra Manchurian

1580
01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:27.600
<v Speaker 2>candidate style trigger for assassins. And it's an abysmal book.

1581
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:30.039
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense. The book is awful. It's

1582
01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:32.359
<v Speaker 2>a garbage book.

1583
01:48:32.159 --> 01:48:34.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's garbage for real garbage.

1584
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:40.479
<v Speaker 2>But like it's like an in cell book almost right,

1585
01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:45.439
<v Speaker 2>That's that's what the main character of the story is.

1586
01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:50.039
<v Speaker 2>He's basically like an insult, right, which which is what

1587
01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>we would you know call people that you know, don't

1588
01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:59.119
<v Speaker 2>have any kind of social life, that don't think that

1589
01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.479
<v Speaker 2>they're accepted by society that they're in. They're just you know,

1590
01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:05.640
<v Speaker 2>in their mom's basement or whatever, playing video games all day.

1591
01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:08.359
<v Speaker 2>And it's just a coincidence that this was required reading

1592
01:49:08.399 --> 01:49:10.319
<v Speaker 2>in public schools for a really long time, and then

1593
01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:17.760
<v Speaker 2>we get an explosion of the exact same type of

1594
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:22.199
<v Speaker 2>character within this book in real life. And there's so

1595
01:49:22.399 --> 01:49:25.279
<v Speaker 2>much of that throughout Stanley Kubrick's movies. Just like we

1596
01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:32.439
<v Speaker 2>mentioned Lolita earlier, the whole movie is about pedophilia and

1597
01:49:32.479 --> 01:49:39.399
<v Speaker 2>how this girl is being sayed by this older man. Okay,

1598
01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:44.279
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what was happening to Sue Lyon. The actor

1599
01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:47.720
<v Speaker 2>that's playing Lolita was happening to her in real life

1600
01:49:48.199 --> 01:49:54.199
<v Speaker 2>by Kubrick's producer, he James Harris. Yes, James Harris was

1601
01:49:54.279 --> 01:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>doing to her what she was portraying while shooting the

1602
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:02.560
<v Speaker 2>movie about what was actually happening to her.

1603
01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's so crazy too.

1604
01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:07.600
<v Speaker 2>It's a mind fuck.

1605
01:50:08.199 --> 01:50:09.479
<v Speaker 1>It's a mind fuck.

1606
01:50:10.199 --> 01:50:15.159
<v Speaker 2>And not only that, like with a Clockwork Orange as well,

1607
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:18.039
<v Speaker 2>that same type of thing happened in like England and

1608
01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:20.159
<v Speaker 2>then like in the UK and stuff, like whenever that

1609
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:25.439
<v Speaker 2>movie got released, we showed a bunch of newspaper clips

1610
01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:28.520
<v Speaker 2>of like what was going on then whenever that movie

1611
01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>got released, like Crime Gone through the Roof, Like there

1612
01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:37.800
<v Speaker 2>was these gangs that formed in like the UK and

1613
01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the like England and stuff. They were called like the

1614
01:50:39.760 --> 01:50:45.640
<v Speaker 2>clockwork gangs. There was like clockwork murders and stuff. And

1615
01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:48.680
<v Speaker 2>then you have the point that Stanley Kubrick had to

1616
01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:54.600
<v Speaker 2>take the movie out of theaters. You stopped really going

1617
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:55.199
<v Speaker 2>in the UK.

1618
01:50:56.479 --> 01:51:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Clockwork Orange, Yes, I didn't know that. Have you heard

1619
01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:07.600
<v Speaker 1>that the author of Clockwork Orange was inspired by Stanley

1620
01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to ride it?

1621
01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I listened to a few interviews from him and

1622
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:20.159
<v Speaker 2>his relationship with Stanley Kubrick, and he said that after

1623
01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:26.079
<v Speaker 2>the movie was made that Kubric never talked to him again. Really, yeah,

1624
01:51:26.119 --> 01:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that you had tried to reach out to Cubric several

1625
01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:32.560
<v Speaker 2>times and Kubert didn't have anything to do with him

1626
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:41.079
<v Speaker 2>after that. Wow. So interesting, It is super fascinating. All right,

1627
01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:46.640
<v Speaker 2>let's get to this. This is a really weird connuity er.

1628
01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:49.479
<v Speaker 2>So whenever Wendy and Danny is trying to escape from

1629
01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:54.760
<v Speaker 2>John Affter, he busts down the first door, he says, Wendy,

1630
01:51:55.119 --> 01:52:00.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm home. Whenever Wendy and Danny's a kind of escape

1631
01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:05.479
<v Speaker 2>into the bathroom, the light on the table beside the

1632
01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:09.399
<v Speaker 2>door is crooked. But in the very next scene, when

1633
01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Jack walks in the light shade, the lampshade on the

1634
01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:21.600
<v Speaker 2>table is straight. This one is really wild. This one's

1635
01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:32.680
<v Speaker 2>almost like the one with Hallerin and the.

1636
01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:34.239
<v Speaker 1>It is a completely the different background.

1637
01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:41.399
<v Speaker 2>So whenever Jack tries to bust down the bathroom door

1638
01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and he sticks his head through and says, here's Johnny whatever.

1639
01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Then whenever he turns around and he hears Hollerin's snow

1640
01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:54.520
<v Speaker 2>cat pulling up to the hotel, and he's kind of

1641
01:52:54.520 --> 01:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>alerted and he's like, what is that? And he turns around.

1642
01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Both of the quarter panels of the door to the

1643
01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:10.640
<v Speaker 2>bathroom have been knocked out. He never knocked out the

1644
01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>left side of the quarter panel right, he knocked.

1645
01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:18.479
<v Speaker 1>Out, but it makes it look like an eleven.

1646
01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>It does. There's your eleven again.

1647
01:53:23.760 --> 01:53:25.079
<v Speaker 1>That's so crazy.

1648
01:53:26.920 --> 01:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep. So you literally only see him break the right

1649
01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:34.359
<v Speaker 2>hand quarter panel of the door. That's the only one

1650
01:53:34.399 --> 01:53:37.199
<v Speaker 2>that he put his ax through. Then whenever the shot

1651
01:53:37.239 --> 01:53:40.119
<v Speaker 2>turns around, he hears and then you see the background

1652
01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:42.279
<v Speaker 2>that both quarter panels have been knocked out.

1653
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Symbolism, Man, it has to be okay.

1654
01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And here is the other smoking gun that we've mentioned already.

1655
01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>But the first time that Danny encounters anything strange in

1656
01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the hotel is when he's in the games room and

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01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:10.159
<v Speaker 2>he sees the twins and then to the left of

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01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the double doors and now they're eleven here, So you

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01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:16.680
<v Speaker 2>got the double doors, and behind the two girls that

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01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:23.479
<v Speaker 2>are making an eleven, there's a poster to the left

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01:54:23.520 --> 01:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of the door that says Monarch. And several people have

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01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:33.600
<v Speaker 2>seen this before I seen it, Okay, so I'm not

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01:54:33.640 --> 01:54:39.600
<v Speaker 2>claiming that I'm the only person to have ever seen this.

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01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Other people have seen it, but they've misinterpreted what it means.

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01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:47.760
<v Speaker 2>They think that it's like referring to like Monarch Mountain

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01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:51.279
<v Speaker 2>or like the Kubrick's stare that all of them do

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01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:55.399
<v Speaker 2>in the Kubrick's movies, like full metal Jacket, like a

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01:54:55.479 --> 01:54:59.119
<v Speaker 2>clockwork orange and like the shining they do that you

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01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:03.359
<v Speaker 2>know he's doing it in this the photo for if

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01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:07.359
<v Speaker 2>you're a clockwork shine raised during that downward stare because

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01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>they think that this thing back here is either a

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01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:13.720
<v Speaker 2>sky's skiing or maybe it looks like a minotaur or whatever.

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01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:23.279
<v Speaker 2>But they never related the Monarch poster to MK Ultra Monarch.

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01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>That's the first thing I thought of, is Monarch mind control.

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01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:38.720
<v Speaker 1>But again I think it wouldn't make sense unless you understood.

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01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:41.479
<v Speaker 1>That's what the whole movie is about, you know what

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01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like this is just another clue.

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01:55:46.079 --> 01:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>It's another clue. And he could have put any poster

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01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:52.479
<v Speaker 2>there that could have been anything, right, but he chose

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01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:56.199
<v Speaker 2>to put a monarch poster.

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01:55:57.319 --> 01:56:00.560
<v Speaker 1>In the background with a guy with like a lantern

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01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:03.680
<v Speaker 1>over his face. It's like, it's almost like, I don't know.

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01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:06.479
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's just there's just too much there for

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01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:08.600
<v Speaker 1>that to be a coincidence.

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01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And then we have County O'Brien of course that's in

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01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the documentary that you know, talks about her experiences in

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01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the MK Ultra Monarch program at a White House Pentagon level.

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01:56:21.800 --> 01:56:28.880
<v Speaker 2>So he's telling us within the movie with this poster

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01:56:30.119 --> 01:56:37.560
<v Speaker 2>that the thing is about mind control, so giant control operation.

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01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:43.119
<v Speaker 2>And then this has been discovered before. This is the

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01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Hitler mustache. That is when the picture fades to a

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01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:57.000
<v Speaker 2>close up picture of July nineteen ninety and nineteen twenty one,

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01:56:57.720 --> 01:57:00.520
<v Speaker 2>July fourth, it fades into a close a picture and

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01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:03.439
<v Speaker 2>then you can see like a little Hitler mustache beginning

1695
01:57:03.479 --> 01:57:10.319
<v Speaker 2>of Jack space here. And this is the one that

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01:57:10.479 --> 01:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>is a really big deal. Whenever they go through the

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01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Gold Room, whenever almon Is giving them a tour. After

1698
01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:27.840
<v Speaker 2>they're walking outside with the they're doing the Beatles walk,

1699
01:57:28.760 --> 01:57:33.319
<v Speaker 2>they walk inside, they have they're walking through the Gold Room. Now,

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01:57:33.359 --> 01:57:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the only way that I've seen this was because I

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01:57:37.319 --> 01:57:40.600
<v Speaker 2>got to see the Shining on a big like in

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01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:47.279
<v Speaker 2>the theater where I was living. Before we started filming

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01:57:47.319 --> 01:57:54.960
<v Speaker 2>this movie. They did a Shining replay in theaters for Halloween.

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01:57:55.720 --> 01:57:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Wow. I would have loved to went to one.

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01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Of those, so I got to see it on the

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01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:06.039
<v Speaker 2>big screen. I would never have seen this if I

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01:58:06.039 --> 01:58:09.439
<v Speaker 2>didn't watch it on a big screen because it's so

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01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:16.600
<v Speaker 2>in the background that you're gonna pass it every single time. Okay,

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01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:19.399
<v Speaker 2>So in the background of when they're walking through the

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01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Gold Room, if you look between Holman and Wendy, there's

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01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:32.359
<v Speaker 2>a a swastika.

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01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>That's no doubt.

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01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Put into the back of the wall, like faded into

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01:58:37.239 --> 01:58:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the into the back of the wall. And when I

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01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:45.600
<v Speaker 2>seen this, I was like, holy shit, I just see

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01:58:46.840 --> 01:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>what I thought that I seen?

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01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Y right, you had to do double take, triple take,

1718
01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:54.560
<v Speaker 1>like what the hell was that?

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01:58:55.279 --> 01:58:58.920
<v Speaker 2>And then as I was editing the well, then I

1720
01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:00.760
<v Speaker 2>because I had it on my phone too. And then

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01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:03.479
<v Speaker 2>after we watching the theater. I was like, I gotta

1722
01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:08.039
<v Speaker 2>zoom in on this and see if it's real. Now,

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01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to my knowledge, no one has ever seen this before

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01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:14.439
<v Speaker 2>until I brought it up. Now people will claim that

1725
01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:17.920
<v Speaker 2>other people have seen this, but I don't, not.

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01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:21.359
<v Speaker 1>To my recollection. And I I mean, it's like I

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01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:25.920
<v Speaker 1>said before, I watched Jay Widner's Keybrick's Odestly I never

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01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:29.119
<v Speaker 1>saw it brought up there. I mean, I would consider

1729
01:59:29.159 --> 01:59:35.640
<v Speaker 1>myself to be pretty pretty proficient researcher into Kubrick stuff,

1730
01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and I've never seen that. So yeah, I was surprised

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01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:41.199
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:46.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's uh. And that connects to the Hitler mustache.

1733
01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:49.479
<v Speaker 2>It connects to the market Cramic, connects to the Twins,

1734
01:59:49.600 --> 01:59:53.680
<v Speaker 2>it connects to MK Ultra, connects to mind control. You know,

1735
01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:58.079
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to tell people that it's a giant MK

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01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Ultra mind control program. It's uh, you know, that's what's

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02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.840
<v Speaker 2>going on here, and he's showing it symbolism. He's trying

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02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to tell you he has the TVs that are not

1739
02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>playing anything, it's not plugged into anything. It's it's mind control.

1740
02:00:16.119 --> 02:00:20.920
<v Speaker 2>He's programming Jack to kill and murder his family. He's

1741
02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:25.560
<v Speaker 2>been unknowingly drugged with an array of drugs. He goes

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02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:29.199
<v Speaker 2>up and he he sees the woman turning, the very

1743
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:33.039
<v Speaker 2>attractive woman turning into an elderly woman. He then goes

1744
02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:35.880
<v Speaker 2>up into his apartment and when he asked him, what

1745
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:37.000
<v Speaker 2>did you see anything?

1746
02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:38.359
<v Speaker 1>You see anything over there?

1747
02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:41.439
<v Speaker 2>He says, I didn't see a goddamn thing.

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02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:45.479
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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02:00:47.199 --> 02:00:49.319
<v Speaker 2>All of it adds up whenever you watch the movie,

1750
02:00:49.800 --> 02:00:53.239
<v Speaker 2>because the movie goes into a lot more details than

1751
02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:56.159
<v Speaker 2>what I've gone through here. But I think we've done

1752
02:00:56.159 --> 02:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>a really good job. And some things aren't that I

1753
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:03.680
<v Speaker 2>showed in the slides aren't actually in the movie, but

1754
02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them are. And I just recommend for

1755
02:01:08.039 --> 02:01:10.319
<v Speaker 2>people to watch the movie so that you can help

1756
02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:14.960
<v Speaker 2>support my work and help me create my new documentary

1757
02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that I'm getting ready to start on.

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02:01:18.399 --> 02:01:24.319
<v Speaker 1>You want to give us any teasers about the new documentary.

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02:01:24.279 --> 02:01:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is going to be on the government's psychic

1760
02:01:28.640 --> 02:01:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Spy program.

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02:01:30.199 --> 02:01:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, that's going to be amazing. I so if

1762
02:01:36.079 --> 02:01:40.159
<v Speaker 1>you ever did do like a director's cut of a

1763
02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:42.680
<v Speaker 1>clockwork shining, I'd be very interested to see what that

1764
02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:46.920
<v Speaker 1>would look like, because I feel that you, much like myself,

1765
02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:50.600
<v Speaker 1>are very invested into this topic and it's it's just

1766
02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:53.720
<v Speaker 1>like never ending. After you find one thing, it leads

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02:01:53.720 --> 02:01:55.880
<v Speaker 1>into another thing, into another thing, and you could go

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02:01:55.960 --> 02:01:59.760
<v Speaker 1>on and on about it. So but for the listeners

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02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:03.800
<v Speaker 1>one more time, where can they find a clockwork shining

1770
02:02:04.359 --> 02:02:05.399
<v Speaker 1>if they want to watch it?

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02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Really quickly, what was your thing that you found?

1772
02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Was it in the slides?

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02:02:11.039 --> 02:02:15.720
<v Speaker 1>It was, well, it was about the eight and ten

1774
02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:21.039
<v Speaker 1>years old, and how he portrays them to be twins

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02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and not an eight and a tent like two separate individuals,

1776
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:29.079
<v Speaker 1>but more as twins. And I thought, you know, if

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02:02:29.079 --> 02:02:32.640
<v Speaker 1>he was going to visually give us twins, why did

1778
02:02:32.720 --> 02:02:37.119
<v Speaker 1>he have the hotel manager make that distinction that one

1779
02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:39.479
<v Speaker 1>was eight one was ten, Like he left that part

1780
02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:43.800
<v Speaker 1>in there, but he showed us twins. So again, Stanley

1781
02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Kubrick is a perfectionist. If he did that, it had

1782
02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:50.359
<v Speaker 1>to have been on purpose. So I don't know, I

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02:02:50.359 --> 02:02:50.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really odd, really strange, And I think that

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02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>we probably will do some kind of director's kind of

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02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:03.920
<v Speaker 2>this in a few years, or we'll do some kind

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02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:08.359
<v Speaker 2>of other maybe a clockwork shining too, that would be

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02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:11.479
<v Speaker 2>a cool one. Yeah, we will see. But if people

1789
02:03:11.479 --> 02:03:13.680
<v Speaker 2>would like to check out the movie, please do because

1790
02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:17.720
<v Speaker 2>it helps support me and support my future projects. You

1791
02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:21.640
<v Speaker 2>can find it on Amazon, Prime, Apple TV Plus, and

1792
02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:26.720
<v Speaker 2>two B. Just type in a Clockwork Shining supers honestly,

1793
02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:29.239
<v Speaker 2>three you don't even have to put in the whole title,

1794
02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:32.640
<v Speaker 2>just the Clockwork Shining and it'll pop up. And if

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02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you would like to follow my podcast, I do two

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02:03:35.960 --> 02:03:40.840
<v Speaker 2>shows a week on YouTube. It's called Raised by Giants.

1797
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:43.159
<v Speaker 2>You can find it on YouTube and any and all

1798
02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:45.840
<v Speaker 2>podcast platforms, And if you would like to reach out

1799
02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to me personally, you can find me on Twitter at

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02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Raised by Giants eight and Instagram at Raise by Giants Pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for having me on. Really appreciate it.

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02:03:58.439 --> 02:04:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've been super generous with your time. It's been

1803
02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:04.520
<v Speaker 1>over two hours. I'm really appreciative of that because I

1804
02:04:04.520 --> 02:04:06.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like we covered a lot of ground and I

1805
02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:08.840
<v Speaker 1>asked pretty much all the questions I had for you.

1806
02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So I would love to have you back on we

1807
02:04:12.039 --> 02:04:17.760
<v Speaker 1>can cover something different. We did Virginia Giffrey on The

1808
02:04:17.800 --> 02:04:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Occult Rejects and that was another mind blower, so I

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02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:24.760
<v Speaker 1>know you're doing some good work over there. I hope

1810
02:04:24.760 --> 02:04:27.119
<v Speaker 1>the listeners go and find you, but thanks so much

1811
02:04:27.159 --> 02:04:28.720
<v Speaker 1>for joining me this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. It was delightful and thanks for

1813
02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:35.960
<v Speaker 2>your time as well. Appreciate it. Let's do it again

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02:04:36.199 --> 02:04:38.800
<v Speaker 2>sometime soon, anytime, anytime you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Thanks so much, and to all the listeners out there,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you and we will catch you on the next one.