WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:15.439 H h. 2 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:25.000 H joy listening to the David Night Show. 3 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:30.760 All right, welcome back and joining us now is Anthony Freda. 4 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:32.560 He's got a new book that's coming out. We're going 5 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:34.560 to talk to him about that, The Thought Crimes of 6 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:39.560 Anthony Frida, and Uh, he's got he's been very successful 7 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:44.399 as an artist, and he's his art is full of 8 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.640 very important critiques of the of what we see politically. 9 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:51.479 Uh. 10 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:54.679 He's actually had in his art put on display at 11 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:57.679 the nine to eleven Museum and Memorial in New York City, 12 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:00.719 and he's on the same page as we are, I 13 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.640 think about nine to eleven. His tenure tenure with Info 14 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:09.000 Wars as an illustrator and writer fully submitted his place 15 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:12.879 in the world of controversial alternative news and he's been 16 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.519 very vocal about his role in that space. And so 17 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.040 that's where I got to know Anthony, as well as 18 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.560 his work with Cheryl Slinty and Trend's Journal. So thank 19 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.560 you for joining us, Anthony. Good to see you again. 20 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.879 Great to see David, and thanks for having me beautiful set. 21 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.439 Well, thank you, thank you. Yeah. 22 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.640 I always wanted to talk to you about your background here, 23 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:38.280 and there's a whole other aspect of your background that 24 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.959 I wasn't aware of. Now that you're getting into Christian 25 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:45.480 art and you've got a project with that as well, 26 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.120 and to go fundme to help realize that project. But 27 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:54.079 let's talk about your personal journey here. You began doing 28 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:59.719 copy stuff for the advertising industry and you began helping 29 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.599 them to sell Joe Campbell. Talk a little bit about 30 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.079 that and how you got from there to where you 31 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:05.599 are now. 32 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.199 Yeah, so it's quite a journey. I've been doing it 33 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:12.800 for forty years, so I'll give you the condensed version. 34 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.560 But uh, yeah, I got out of art. I had 35 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:20.639 this dream of becoming this, you know, famous, prosperous, thriving artists, 36 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:26.159 and uh I just wasn't prepared. I mean I went 37 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:29.120 to Pratt at four years of training in art and 38 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.879 painting and drawing, and I was pretty proficient and I was, 39 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:36.759 you know, pretty confident, but they really didn't train you 40 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.120 how to make a living as an artist. So I 41 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.080 sort of figured that out of my own my own. 42 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.280 Now I have to make a living doing this. So 43 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:47.360 crossing that threshold from academy into the professional world for 44 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.759 any artist is a is a scary time. I mean, 45 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.479 I teach seniors now at f I T and that's 46 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.960 my way of giving back because I know how scared 47 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:59.120 they are, so I try to sort of pivot that. 48 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.120 And I think it's a SPERI your time right now 49 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.159 than ever has been. I mean, we look at AI 50 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.680 and a lot of people are just content to throw 51 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.000 a prompt at AI and take whatever it gives them. 52 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:09.840 What do you think about that? How is that going 53 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:10.680 to affect art? 54 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.080 Well? I think it's going to be not just art, 55 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.080 it's going to I mean, I think it's designed to 56 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.319 create a post human future where the robots do all 57 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.719 the work and they work twenty four hours a day. 58 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:26.159 And I mean the transhumanist you know, elevator pitch or 59 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.599 Elevator to Hell pitch is that the robots everything for 60 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.240 us and we have the freedom to do whatever we 61 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.639 want and they'll give us a basic unit of income. 62 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.039 I don't think it's going to work out that way, 63 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.560 but that's their utopian, post human transhumanist future. 64 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:43.080 Yeah. 65 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.759 I had my class yesterday. The kids were crying. They 66 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.639 were literally crying because they just went to school for 67 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:51.199 four years to learn how to be an artist. And 68 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.280 now anyone who has an AI program can do what 69 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:59.879 they do. So it's very demoralizing to the creatives. But 70 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.159 I mean the same thing goes for the guys who 71 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.800 remember they say to learn to code, like not anymore. 72 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:07.680 Yeah, they're putting themselves out of a job. That's right. 73 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:09.240 Well. 74 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:10.680 The other part of it is, though, and I think 75 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:12.280 we'll get to this when we get to where you 76 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.840 are right now, the machine has no soul. It's going 77 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.199 to put things together statistically, and it can copy and 78 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:23.879 paste and throw things against the wall. And in a sense, 79 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.199 it's a sophisticated version of a chimpanzee painting, right, And 80 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.439 so there is still going to be a niche there, 81 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.319 I think for the human soul, communicating truth and beauty. 82 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:37.920 I think that's really the issue there, and that's what 83 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:40.040 we have to focus on. And I think that that's 84 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.319 going to be pretty obvious to people. You know, there's 85 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.480 a lot of things that AI can do, especially I 86 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:49.600 think in the art aspect, because it can hallucinate and. 87 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.519 It looks like it's you. 88 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.759 Know, having a drug trip or whatever, and that can 89 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.240 be useful in art or even in music to some degree. 90 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.160 But when you look at the kind when I look 91 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:04.199 at it for music, for example, the thing about AI 92 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.560 is that you can't precisely get. 93 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.319 It to do what you want. You know, it can 94 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:10.160 get like eighty. 95 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.639 Percent there or eighty five percent there, which is not 96 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.240 good enough for art. As many people have said, art 97 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:19.279 has never finished simply abandoned. At some point you've got 98 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.199 to stop tweaking it and just go do something different 99 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.839 the next project or whatever. And I think that's the 100 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.519 problem with AI. It just throws this stuff out there 101 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:29.800 and people say, ah, that's good enough. I think there's 102 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.480 going to be a qualitative difference that people will be 103 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.639 able to tell that last fifteen or twenty percent that 104 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:40.360 is there. Yes, I agree with you, Yeah, that's my 105 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:41.040 hope we do. 106 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.879 But I think you're right. Listen, our advantage moving forward 107 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.439 is the robots don't laugh, they don't cry, they don't love. 108 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.160 That's right, They're not connected to God. In fact, I 109 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.720 think it's the opposite that you're right. I have this 110 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:02.360 idea that just as a whole spirit is this unifying 111 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.480 force and universal force of good and God, the adverse 112 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.839 the into that yang is this unifying force of darkness 113 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:17.079 which informs and which has basically a cauldron for this 114 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:21.279 AI to be created and we're incarnating it by giving 115 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:25.519 it prompts and giving it life. But that spirit is 116 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:27.560 a dark spirit, and I sense that, and I feel 117 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:28.839 that it's an anti human spirit. 118 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.600 But Elon Musk agrees with you as well. He said, 119 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.160 we're summoning the demon. Yeah, maybe we're to pay attention 120 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.600 to what he's saying about that. 121 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.000 Some of these guys who are atheists say, there's something 122 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:47.279 here that mathematics doesn't you know, describe or defined. So 123 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:49.839 it's something beyond mathematics. So what's going on? They don't 124 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.040 even know. The guys who created it don't even know how. 125 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.160 You know, these systems arrive at the decisions that they 126 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.759 make to certain points. It's called black box technolog righty, 127 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:06.639 it's it's it's opaque. But robots understand it. But they 128 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.000 might have, But did they understand us? Still that's the problem, 129 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:11.959 Like we don't understand how they do what they do, 130 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:14.360 but they understand us. I mean, they have so much 131 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.519 big data about humanity and what moves us and I 132 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:24.279 influence us that it's a lopsided uh relationship. 133 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.720 That's why it's such a good fit for the government 134 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.279 because the government knows everything about us. But the government 135 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.240 itself is by design a black box. That black box 136 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.000 is labeled national security. We can't tell you, we'd have 137 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:37.879 to kill you, right. 138 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.959 So exactly. Yeah, so man, I could talk about AI 139 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:42.399 for hours. 140 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.160 But yeah, yeah, but let's go back to your story. 141 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.879 You were you were doing, started working at an ad 142 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.199 agency as you gun out trying. 143 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.759 To start working at it. Yeah, I was a young man, 144 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.160 you know, young man. I left it after money and 145 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.439 woman and I was in my twenties and I became 146 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.920 very successful working for Fortune five hundred companies. And I 147 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.120 it was I was in an advertisement about ten years 148 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.879 and I started to learn and see all the psychological 149 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.600 tricks of manipulations, you know, informed by the ideas of 150 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:24.439 Edward Burneese. And he was the master of mass psychological manipulation, right, 151 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.800 and that was employed. He was contracted by the government 152 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.919 and by ad agencies. It's a long story, but those 153 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.639 ideas worked because people respond positively a certain stimuli negatively 154 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.799 to other stimuli. Like we're pretty predictable animals. Once you 155 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:45.200 break that code, you're trying to sell something, and you're 156 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:47.120 smart and clever, you can figure out a way to 157 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:51.320 do it. But I got really turned off. I was 158 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.840 working on the Joe Campbell ad campaign. And in those days, 159 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.360 they were, you know, paying us a lot of money 160 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.080 to do this stuff. And I was just enamored with 161 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.200 the money. And I bought a condo in Manhattan, and 162 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.519 I thought I was like living on top of the world. 163 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:10.039 And then so I kind of got lost in that 164 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:16.240 that world of money and success. And then the FTC 165 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.799 determined that our campaign was illegal because we were using 166 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.080 cartoon camels. They said we were marketing cigarettes to children. 167 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.720 So I sort of had a moral crisis and I 168 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.120 didn't become an artist to sell cigarette to kids, right, 169 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:31.720 And I said. 170 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:36.000 You know, maybe get a job provisor because they sell 171 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:37.279 poison the kids all the time. 172 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.159 Well that's what they're in the story. Yeah, So I 173 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.879 had this crisis has come to Jesus moment. I said, 174 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.440 that's it. I'm done with advertising. I'm not going to 175 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.960 sell my soul to the devil. So I was still 176 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.759 you know, now, I'm a young man in my thirties. 177 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:58.039 I was pretty naive politically at that time, and I said, 178 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:59.639 I'm going to work for the good guys, right, I'm 179 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.039 going to work for New York Times and uh, the 180 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:06.360 New Yorker and I started working for you know, all 181 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:10.159 these mainstream publications as an editorial illustrator. And I worked 182 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:11.840 for the outbed page of the New York Times, which 183 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:17.320 is like a premier showcase for thinkers and for I 184 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.720 kind of like where the elite speak to each other. Sure, right, 185 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:24.360 And I was again, I was on top of the 186 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.039 oil and I'm working like, you know, the best place 187 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.200 for an illustrator to be. And I was doing articles 188 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.559 for them on a regular basis. And then I got 189 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:38.320 to see how the sausages made there, and the the 190 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:42.039 art director and the editor told me that every single 191 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:44.120 word that goes through here has to be vetted by 192 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:47.919 the State Department. And I said, I said, I thought, 193 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.519 you know, you're the fourth ward. You're I said, that's 194 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.519 like proud the world has to be the State Department. 195 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:59.320 They said, that's that's how it is. So my naive 196 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.360 ta started to, you know, unravel. At that point. I 197 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.080 started to become a little more educated about how the 198 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.879 world really works. And I feel silly now saying that, 199 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:10.720 but I thought The New York Times was just like 200 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:15.240 beacon up truth and objectivity. I mean, I couldn't be 201 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:19.799 more wrong. But so I got an assignment to do. 202 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.840 It was not that piece right before the Iraq War, 203 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.279 penned by the then Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, and 204 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.279 it was outlining all the lives that we know now 205 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.000 that took us to that war. And I illustrated the peace. 206 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.320 And then I had another moral crisis. This guy said 207 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.120 to myself, my god, I went from selling cigarettes to 208 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.919 kids to selling war. This is I didn't think I 209 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.559 could do worse than that, but I did. So I 210 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:54.679 had another, you know, time to question what am I 211 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.879 doing with my life? What are my life choices? What 212 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:58.480 do I really what do I really want to do 213 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:02.960 with my skills and my my whatever gift Guy's given 214 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.759 me and my passions, And I mean, I love to 215 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.240 create imageries, the only thing I'm good at. So I 216 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:14.799 wanted to stay in that lane. So right then, it 217 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:19.480 was about the time that these seminal alternative news sides 218 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.720 started coming out, like info Wars, and there was a 219 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:25.879 few others and trans journal and I reached out to them, 220 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.720 and because I figured, these guys are exposing the lives 221 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.360 of the mainstream media that I used to work for 222 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:37.039 and of the advertising agencies I used to work for, 223 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:39.159 so I wanted to bite the hand that fed me, 224 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:44.159 so I started. I started working for people and the 225 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.919 health freedom movement and people and the liberty movement and 226 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.080 people and all these different movements, you know, people like 227 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:55.840 you included, and and I've been there ever since because 228 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:59.120 I do think there are there are good people out 229 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:01.679 there who would try trying to get to the truth 230 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:06.039 of the matter about all of these issues, and journalists 231 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:10.919 and activists and filmmakers and writers, and I've worked for 232 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:17.200 a lot of them and they're my heroes. So and 233 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:21.039 then politically I got I was in the contract for 234 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.679 the RFK campaign when he was running for president because 235 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.279 I believed in what he was doing and his his 236 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:32.639 work to expose the vaccines and the dangers of pharmaceuticals. 237 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.600 Right, So. 238 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.559 I still have a hand in the political realm, but 239 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.039 I'm basically working for people who I think are the 240 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.440 good guys. You know that I can sleep well at 241 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.000 night now, David, because I think I'm working for people, 242 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:49.279 or at least trying to tell the truth. You know, 243 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:54.320 It's like it's not equivalent, like when like when people 244 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.240 get fined for like the way they went after Alex 245 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:00.720 or whatever he said, like the New York Times and 246 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.879 CNN tell lies of much greater magnitude every day, and 247 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.240 nobody sued. And by the way, their lies lead to 248 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:12.240 wars that kill millions of people. Their lies so products 249 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:14.559 that kill millions of people, like and they're never held 250 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:19.200 accountabal and then and they're not. The difference between them 251 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:24.399 and say what independent journalists who is that they're purposely 252 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.559 trying to lie to you. They know they're lying to you. 253 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.039 You know, it's one thing to make a mistake in 254 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:31.720 the in the you know, the search for the truth. 255 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:33.879 We're not always going to be perfect. But there's a 256 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:38.080 big difference to somebody who's purposely knowing to lie to you, 257 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.720 to hurt you and your children, and somebody who's just 258 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.440 trying to figure out in real time what the hell's 259 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:47.159 going on, because it's very confusing. We've been lied to 260 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:52.840 so much about so about everything that people become so 261 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.399 skeptical that, you know, I think it. Unfortunately, it fosters 262 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.600 this environment where nobody believes anything that's we are right now, 263 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.440 buddy believes anything. So they come up with one hundred 264 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.159 different theories of how Charlie Kirk was killed. Right because 265 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:10.039 nobody believes the official story right, and we can never 266 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.840 get to the bottom of anything because everybody has their 267 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:17.519 own theory about what happened, and there's no universal truth anymore. 268 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:21.200 We're in the post truth age, and I think that's 269 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.480 the truth is going to be the greatest, most valuable 270 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:26.960 commodity in the future. 271 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.080 Here's what you need, here's the fundamental truth. Government lies, 272 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.639 it always has, always will for its own interest. So 273 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.679 if you understand that kind of whatever the government says 274 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.960 or the official press says with a healthy dose of skepticism, 275 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:41.399 I think that's the most important thing. 276 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:42.000 You know, you. 277 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.360 Mentioned the fact that you realize that they had to 278 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.159 get the approval of the State Department for what they 279 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.320 were saying at the New York Times, and of course 280 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.399 we know about Operation mocking Bird. 281 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:52.000 And the rest of this stuff. 282 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:57.519 I thought it was really amazing, the disingenuous astonishment of 283 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:01.159 the fact that Hegseth openly said, well, you're going to 284 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.440 have to get approval for anything that to release. I 285 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.080 don't like that, but that's not anything that's really different. 286 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:09.240 The only thing that's different about that is that they're 287 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.879 going to own it and say it out loud rather 288 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.840 than doing it behind closed doors. I had a friend 289 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.360 who worked at the Pentagon, and he worked for the 290 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.879 side that was vetting movie scripts. 291 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:21.679 If they liked your movie script. 292 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.759 If it was complimentary of them and their agenda, they 293 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.559 would give you access to military equipment that you could 294 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.480 use to film your movie. If they didn't like it, 295 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.279 you didn't get that equipment, and that might sink your 296 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.000 movie because the expense of trying to get that equipment. 297 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.080 Otherwise they provide it at a reduced cost or for free. 298 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.519 So that kind of thing has been going along for 299 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:41.559 a very long time. 300 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.799 Yeah, I mean I'm still surprised. I remember, I'm older. 301 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.039 I remember Frank Church, the Church Committee here, and it's 302 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.240 like he had the receipts, he proved it back in 303 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:54.240 the seventies, and nobody cared. It's like it did nothing. 304 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.000 They just went back to business as usual. 305 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.159 Yeah, that's right. 306 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.200 I mean, you know, God for him and his work, 307 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.360 but I mean, you really didn't do anything in the 308 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:03.919 big picture. 309 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.720 Yeah, and all this stuff about the heart attack gun. 310 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:10.200 As I've said before, that was really a distraction because 311 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.920 the whole thing began because from their inception, the CIA 312 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.359 and the NSA were spying on Americans without a search warrant, 313 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:19.920 which you know takes us we've been finding that thing 314 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.559 going up to you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen at 315 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:24.920 Snowed and all the rest of the stuff. 316 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.920 So the result of that was still the result. 317 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.799 Of the Church Committee hearings was the Faiza Act, the 318 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.599 Foreign Intelligent Surveillance Act, which they then used to give 319 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.440 themselves legal cover to do what they'd been doing from 320 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.799 their inception, which was to spy on Americans with a 321 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.039 search warrant, as Ran Paul says, you know, spying on 322 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.440 mister and missus Verizon. You know, you go to one 323 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.799 judge and a secret court that nobody knows about, and 324 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.880 you get legal cover to violate the Constitution. So they 325 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.839 always turned this stuff to their own advantage. 326 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.440 Well yeah, and I was speaking of that subject. I 327 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:01.680 worked One of my heroes is William Binny, and I 328 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.400 had the pleasure of working on a documentary about William. 329 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.640 I met him, just a great guy, and I mean 330 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.200 we quit because he said the systems he designed to 331 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.359 spy on potential terrorists were being used to spy on 332 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.920 everybody and that's against the oath he took, and that's illegal. 333 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.279 And he said he's not gonna do it, So what 334 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.880 do they do? They I rated his house and arrested 335 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:29.920 him under false pretenses and false charges. But yeah, so 336 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.279 just get back to my journey. Yeah, so, donna those track. 337 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.640 After the RFK thing, I worked for him for a 338 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:40.599 year and it was a great experience, and I got 339 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.920 to see just how dirty the Democrats are. I mean, 340 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.119 Republicans basically left him alone. You know, Trump would make 341 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:51.440 some you know, nasty comments now and then, but the 342 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:57.599 Democrats actively tried to destroy him with lawsuits and moles 343 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.359 and people doing dirty tricks. And it was a constant, 344 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.440 relentless assault on him that really opened my eyes again. 345 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:09.519 I mean I was naive again, like whenever I underestimate 346 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.720 how evil these people are and how they are to 347 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.680 be corrupt and to use the power they have or 348 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.079 abuse any power they have in the courts, in the media, 349 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.680 in academia, in tech, I mean, which which they control 350 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:31.559 those institutions, unfortunately, And it just it sickened me. It 351 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:33.720 sick of me the way that they smeared him and 352 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.559 lied about him and sued him and tried to play 353 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.759 dirty tricks with ballots and just on and on and on, 354 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.480 so so then I got that made me realize that 355 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:50.680 the battle isn't political, this battle is spiritual. So I 356 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.079 had I wanted to move from the temporal plane into 357 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:55.400 the spiritual plane with my work and cut back to 358 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:01.079 my Christian roots. I was raised a Catholic and I 359 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:08.920 had a personal experience with my fiance started having seizures 360 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:14.759 one night we were watching actually it was the Obama movie. Uh, 361 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.720 it was like an apocalyptic Obama movie, Leave the Leave 362 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.279 the World Behind, which have to be a foreboding title 363 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:26.160 because my girlfriends were watching this. She says, my heart 364 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.519 hurts and I don't feel right. And I said, I said, 365 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.559 maybe this anxiety from this Obama show is you know, 366 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.039 screw Obama. It's not watched this as upsetting you. And 367 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:42.119 then she just went into seizures. And she was street healthy, 368 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.000 she was extremely there was nothing, no pre existing condition. 369 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.319 She just started composting and seizing and just went thousand 370 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:54.880 yards stare and stopped breathing. And I'm not a doctor, 371 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:59.440 but I think breathing is pretty important. And I didn't 372 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.799 know what to do, David. I felt so inadequate and helpless. 373 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:04.720 I had no idea what to do. I should I do? 374 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.839 Chest compression. I didn't know. I didn't know what except 375 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.359 to call nine one one and and I just held 376 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.279 her and she was in this in this state of 377 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:22.440 a comotose state. I don't know she was dying. I 378 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.599 thought she was dying. And then she came out of 379 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.240 it from a for a brief moment with this from 380 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:33.319 this look of just terror and fear to this this 381 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:36.559 calm and this peace came over her and she started laughing. 382 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.960 H And I thought, was this all a joke? But 383 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:45.400 she's not that. It's not that kind of person. And 384 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.039 she and she was laughing, and her whole faces and 385 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:49.920 the whole body was just relaxed, and she was at 386 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:54.599 a place of peace. And then she clinched back and 387 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:58.519 went back into this convulsive state. And I believe like 388 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.359 she went to the other side. I believe she was, 389 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:05.119 she was at peace with God for a brief period 390 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.839 and that it just wasn't her time where she just 391 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:12.400 got sent back or I don't know obviously what happened, 392 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:13.319 but it was. 393 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.200 Do you have any recollection of that. 394 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.160 None, none of any of it. Your brain doesn't remember 395 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:25.920 that stuff that probably protect you. But it was extraordinary 396 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.559 and it reawakened my faith. And that was a year 397 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.599 and a half ago, and thank god she's healthy now. 398 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:34.839 Seventy five percent of the people who go through when 399 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.519 she went went through, it was a brain brain bleed. 400 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.559 Seventy five percent of the people die that happens to 401 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.359