WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.200 Hi, I'm an Colter. Welcome to my sub stack. I'm 2 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:11.039 interviewing probably the best member of the House of Representatives, 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:18.000 Representative Chip roy the actual MAGA representative on immigration who's 4 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:21.760 now running for Attorney General of Texas, which I also 5 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:24.320 want to talk to you about, but mostly immigration. Welcome 6 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:25.600 Representative Roy. 7 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.120 Well, a good morning. It's a very low bar to 8 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:31.079 crossing Congress to be the best member of Congress, but 9 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.439 I appreciate it. You know. 10 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:37.920 One of the things that is so impressive about you, 11 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.640 and maybe we'll get to that, though I really want 12 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:43.799 to talk more about immigration, is you know, there are 13 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.399 moments in history where you know, wild things are going 14 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.799 on and you don't know what you should be saying 15 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.359 now when how it to look in history? And I 16 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.640 would say January sixth was one of those moments. Fox 17 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:59.439 News certainly got it completely wrong, and oh my gosh, 18 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:01.600 it every step of the way. If you could go 19 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:05.159 back and write a history of what a politician in 20 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.200 Washington should have said, at every step of the way 21 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.879 you did it, it's just incredibly impressive. Starting with asking 22 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:16.719 Meadows for the evidence. We're happy, we're happy to back 23 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.200 up President Trump, but you got to give us something 24 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:24.599 to work with, and defending Liz Cheney for to some 25 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:29.000 extent not being thrown off simply for what her position was, 26 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.560 but then going after her for turning it into looking backwards. 27 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.439 But anyway, was there anyone as good as you were 28 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.439 during that time? You were really pitch perfect every step 29 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:38.920 of the way. 30 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.680 Well, and you know, it was an interesting time to 31 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.280 go through. And I tried to let the Constitution be 32 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.760 my guide. I tried to at every step of the 33 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.359 way seek truth wherever it may lead. Right, I'm a 34 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.120 Jefferson guy. That's Jefferson quote. And at every step I'd say, look, 35 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.159 I know there was fraud here. Of course there was. 36 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.159 We turned our elections over to a mail in ballot scheme. 37 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:06.280 No kidding, there was fraud. So that was a mistake. 38 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:07.719 So we go through all that and say, all right, 39 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.759 there was fraud, let's pursue it. Then we need the evidence. 40 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.159 Let's make sure we can demonstrate that they're in fact 41 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:17.280 a state might present different slate of electors. Okay, great, 42 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.599 let's go work with the states to try to demonstrate 43 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.599 where we believe there's fraud, work through the process, and 44 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:24.520 then get to election day. Do what you think is 45 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.560 right in my view, we only had fifty slates of electors. 46 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.360 You got to defend the constitution. You can't just unilaterally 47 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:33.479 empower the Vice president. And at various points in times 48 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:36.680 the point about Liz, my opponent is attacking me for 49 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.919 quote defending Liz Cheney and my race for Attorney General. 50 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:43.159 What I said was what I was doing was try 51 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.680 to defend the process and then say, Liz, you can't 52 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.719 lose your frigging mind and then not represent the Republican Conference. 53 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.719 So we work through a process to do that with 54 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.800 then Speaker McCarthy, who I was pushing from the right, 55 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.000 and at the end of the day, then Liz, continue 56 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:00.719 to lose your mind, and I said, all right, Liz, 57 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.800 we got to go get a different Republican Conference chair. 58 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.120 But at every point you're trying to figure out how 59 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:09.199 to navigate things, to try to preserve a country and 60 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.199 to stand up and defend a sovereign nation under the 61 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.639 rule of law and the constitution. And that's what I 62 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.639 think the American people want right now. It's why running 63 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.719 for Attorney general, to try to secure the border, to 64 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:20.759 try to stop the March of Islam, to try to 65 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:24.360 stop members of Congress, and you know, the swamp creatures 66 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.319 from destroying our country and ignoring that we need to 67 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:29.039 actually do the job that we said we would do, 68 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.000 and that's what I've always tried to do. 69 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.879 Yes, No, it's very impressive. I recommend that anyone go 70 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.800 read your Wikipedia page for all these controversies, and if 71 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.400 you could go back and write the history of Oh 72 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.560 I wish I'd said that. I wish I'd been in 73 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.319 that position. You did it right. They are live in 74 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:50.199 real time. I also like how you've worked for worked 75 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:55.400 with lots of Republicans and cross them when they were wrong, 76 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.759 but then you know, defend them personally, come back and 77 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.520 endorse them, as in the case of both Ted Kruz 78 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:07.319 and Ken Paxton. No, you really are. It's very impressive 79 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.560 the way you've handled your career. But let's get to 80 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:14.360 the most important issue, immigration, About the only one I 81 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:19.480 trust on immigration one is why? Well, probably the overarching 82 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.040 question is what is it with your fellow Republicans? And 83 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.839 I'd say Democrats, but forget them, your fellow Republicans not 84 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:34.240 understanding that immigration determines every other issue. Does everyone have 85 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.480 to live in Texas and California before they understand how 86 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:41.439 the country will change if we just continue this unrestricted 87 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.839 third worlder is pouring into our nation. You talk to them, 88 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.000 you work with them. Is it the donors? Are they 89 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.759 afraid of being seen as racist? What is it with them? 90 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:52.639 I think there's a lot of things going on with 91 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:56.199 your kind of radical leftists or are weak Republicans. Some 92 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.879 of them do come from states where they just have 93 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.759 no idea. I remember I was getting lecture by a 94 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.759 member of Congress from Vermont and I was like, they're 95 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.680 talking about the immigration issue, and I was like, I 96 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.839 looked up the data, and you guys have like sixteen 97 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.279 thousand people, you know that aren't lily livered leftist white 98 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.399 people up in Vermont, And you want to lecture me 99 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.319 when we've got like three or four million people in 100 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.079 Texas illegally, Like it's insane. They have no idea, right. 101 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.000 But the real issue, the real issue, I think has 102 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.560 been that the Chamber of Commerce Republicans have been the 103 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.079 driving force behind the Republican Party for at least three 104 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:36.839 or four decades, and so it's always the default to, oh, 105 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.360 but we've got to have the talent ship. We won't 106 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.199 have a workforce, right, you've got to go to India, 107 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.160 You've got to go to you know, the Middle East, 108 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.240 you got to go to the you know, China, and guys, 109 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:49.600 we're not going to have a country left, right Like 110 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:51.879 in other words, it goes well beyond just the fact 111 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.199 that we were being weak about the border and securing 112 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:57.160 the border. It goes to the fact that they don't 113 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.680 want to acknowledge that maybe we have a country we 114 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.160 need to preserve, right And you know, I'll talk about 115 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.600 how we are now at the highest percentage of foreign 116 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.600 born people in the United States that we've ever had. 117 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.199 We're at fifty one and a half or fifty two 118 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.519 or fifty three million people. That's sixteen plus percent, and 119 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.279 that's higher than even it was in nineteen twenty right 120 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.079 after we'd had the massive migration late eighteen hundreds early 121 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.079 nineteen hundreds. Yet we froze immigration for about four decades 122 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.079 in nineteen twenty five or so, right, and then it 123 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.079 was Ted Kennedy and the leftist then a bunch of 124 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.839 weak Chamber of Commerce Republicans that exploded the doors after 125 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.839 nineteen sixty five, and then heavily in the nineties and 126 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.519 two thousands. So I just don't think people want to 127 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.800 acknowledge it. They've been you know, they've been trained to say, well, 128 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.279 you know, we're a boarder. We're a country that you 129 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.759 know opens our doors to everyone. Well, we yes, but 130 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.360 we're a country that is supposed to acknowledge sovereignty and 131 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.079 that we want to preserve who we are as America 132 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.519 and a Christian culture. And that's what's at stake. And 133 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.120 people I think are finally waking up to it, But 134 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.959 only when you've got basically jihattists coming to our country 135 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:05.360 and there's still not a way to it. 136 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:11.920 Yes, that's true. Speaking of keeping our doors open, I 137 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.839 don't think there are any true assi LEAs in the 138 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:20.600 world anymore. Most of them requesting asylum they just come 139 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.000 from crappy countries. Well, the crappy countries because of the 140 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.240 people who live in those countries. That's what they're used to. 141 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.000 You bring them here, we become a crappy country. And 142 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.120 even if there were another Hitler and another Holocaust going 143 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.800 on someplace in the world, I don't know why they 144 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.240 all need to come here. There are other countries that 145 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:42.680 could take them out. Why don't Japan or Israel take 146 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:43.920 a few of them? 147 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.759 And this is exactly right. And this was actually what 148 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.839 was so frustrating during the Biden Mayorcus years when you know, 149 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.600 we had all these people coming in that were claiming 150 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.519 asylum and then parole. Right, they were doing this purposely, 151 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.600 and they were bastardizing our laws to show people into 152 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.360 the country. But I think we've got this mistaken idea 153 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.439 of asylum anyway. And you know, there's this whole concept 154 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:10.079 of a save third country within our law, where you know, 155 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.720 if you can get to the neighboring country and seek asylum, 156 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:15.079 that's what you do. But we've been saying, oh, no, 157 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.079 whatever will be the country that you just everybody can 158 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.519 come to. You can go through thirty six countries to 159 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.800 get here, and that's all fine, even though you were 160 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.399 saved at thirty three of them along the way. And 161 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.199 that has turned it into something that was never meant 162 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.079 to be. And this is one of those things that 163 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:34.440 I think drives me crazy the most because I can 164 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.799 say something as a Christian, which I'm probably a Christian this, 165 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.759 you know, coming out of this Holy weekend and Easter weekend, 166 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:44.440 that yes, you've got someone, You've got a child, you 167 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:48.120 got someone who's sick, or someone who's really fleeing oppression 168 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.879 and they're on your front porch. Yes, we're called to 169 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.399 help them, but what you don't do is turn your 170 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.159 country over to say anybody can come here have babies. 171 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.840 Let's not talk about the birthright citizens thebacle of the 172 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:04.519 Supreme Court appears a poise to make which we should 173 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.639 talk about, but that you can just anybody can come here, 174 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.480 so we share. I shaired a hearing on these kinds 175 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:14.320 of topics, and I was pressing one of the leftist witnesses, 176 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:16.279 and I said, look, I want to be very clear. 177 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:19.080 It's not PLYL or V do same topic. Right about 178 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.519 free education for legal aliens. That's the same as birthright citizenship. 179 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.320 That's the same as asylum and parole. Hey, everybody just 180 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:28.200 come here. Don't mind to use our resources, spend our money, 181 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.200 you know, marry our women, go to our hospitals, whatever 182 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.799 you want. Insanity, Well, I asked this liberal. I said, 183 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:36.879 let me ask you if there were you know they're 184 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.039 about came remember the number. I said, there's a you know, 185 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.279 maybe a trillion kids you know that are that are 186 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:44.440 miners around the country. Can they all come to the 187 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.480 United States tomorrow? The guys that will, of course not. 188 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:49.879 And then I just went through it logically, five hundred billion, 189 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:52.360 one hundred billion, a billion, you know how many can come. 190 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:54.679 I'm not going to play your games, Congressman, It's not 191 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.159 a game. You guys seem to think that anybody can 192 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.200 come here have a baby, or anybody can come here, 193 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.080 come to our school, and we're supposed to just educate them, 194 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.320 and then you no longer have a country. That's the 195 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.000 same issue with asylum, same issue with parole, birthright, citizenship, 196 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.440 plalar vedo. We're either a nasian or or not. We 197 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:12.919 have to decide. 198 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.960 Yes, yes, And it's I mean that pretend we're open 199 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:20.440 to the world, is it self discriminatory If we'll take 200 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.679 all all the poor people of the world. Somehow we 201 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.919 seem to be getting only those who live within walking distance. 202 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:32.480 What about the poor who can't just walk here? Oh no, no, 203 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:34.320 well they're on their own. And that's kind of a 204 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.639 weird way to decide who gets to be your fellow citizen. 205 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.080 Well, and importantly, what we're also doing is we're destroying 206 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.320 a lot of other countries, right I remember, I think 207 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.039 of in the Northern Triangle, one of the think was 208 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.399 the first lady of I can't remember which country it was, 209 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.879 but said, hey, you know, we're losing a lot of 210 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.399 our people to America and we need to build our 211 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:57.120 own country. I'm like, yes, we ought to be projecting 212 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.360 power in the Western hemisphere and projecting and gay in 213 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.759 the rule of law rather than saying, oh, that's okay, 214 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.600 we don't have any doors, walk on in, because we're 215 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.799 destroying countries in the process of saying that, we're trying 216 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.200 to quote help people. And by the way, you're helping 217 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.200 them by coming here making the wards of the state. 218 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.240 I mean, that's it's insanity. That's not helping people. You know. Look, 219 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.039 Milton Friedman famously said he was fine with open borders 220 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.519 if you don't have a welfare state. Well, there are 221 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.480 reasons why I would quibble with that, right Islam, other things, 222 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.759 but in general, the point is right, right, if you 223 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.399 don't have a welfare state and you have to make 224 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.320 your own way, fine, I'm pretty I'm a lot more 225 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.600 flexible and saying you want to come here and work hard, Okay, 226 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.000 I'm listening, But we have a welfare state and we 227 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:42.879 have you know, islam As who want to kill us, 228 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.519 color me crazy. I think maybe we should keep that, 229 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.679 you know crazy, you know Muslims out who are coming 230 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.639 here or trying to kill us, and we should actually, 231 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:52.919 you know, not invite people to come join a welfare 232 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.240 state and have to carry the bill. 233 00:11:55.320 --> 00:12:01.480 Yes, yes, And not surprisingly Pwiler was a Texas case 234 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.919 about whether Texans would have to keep paying for the 235 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.960 free education of illegal aliens. Of course these cases come 236 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.320 out of Texas and California. Y're the first ones. I mean, 237 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.960 do people in Vermont and I don't know, tenth District 238 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:19.320 of Kentucky. Your friend Thomas mass or whatever district he's from, 239 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:23.799 is also one of those nineteen fifties demographic congressional districts. 240 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:25.799 Ask you about him in a moment? Do they have 241 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.519 do they not know anyone in Texas or California? Can 242 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.240 they call them and ask how's it working out? And 243 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:34.480 it was im pliler video, as you surely know. That's 244 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.559 where Justice Brennan dropped the dicta not part of the 245 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.679 ruling of the case, saying I see no difference in 246 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.159 legal and illegal immigrants. And that's what led to what 247 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.440 they're called birthright citizenship, which is really anchor babies, not 248 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:52.519 birthright citizenship, birthright citizenship would be the children of legal aliens, 249 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.960 and you know that's the big issue in the Supreme 250 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.200 Court case. I listened to the argument again recently in 251 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.759 the Supreme courtans it's not about our but I wish 252 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.879 both Attorney General John Sower and I guess our side 253 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:10.600 would stress the points that there weren't There wasn't an 254 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.759 illegal immigration problem back then. It would be like, you know, 255 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:15.679 trying to figure out how we would deal with I 256 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:19.120 don't know, computer viruses or something after the Civil War. 257 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.559 But they were the facts that in the case they're 258 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.039 all looking to Wang King kim Ark, which was the 259 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:29.759 child of a legal immigrant. They used the word domicile 260 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:31.919 so much. Well, they wouldn't have used the word illegal 261 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.919 alien because that expression didn't exist back then. It was 262 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.879 what you're describing sink or swim, no welfare state, you 263 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.519 can't make it, you go home. And I actually think 264 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:46.919 sours argument was was pretty good in retrospect. I was 265 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.799 kind of confused at the time because this whole domicile 266 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:54.039 thing is trying to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. 267 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.039 But I just don't think the point is being stressed 268 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.399 enough that no, it was never expressly stated because it 269 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:04.399 didn't exist. But when Justice run and slipped that dicta in, 270 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.120 it wasn't the rule that the children of illegal aliens 271 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.320 were citizens. That's why he snuck it in there. Otherwise 272 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.679 there couldn't even have been the case, Bler Beado. But 273 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.440 you surely listened to the audient. What did you think 274 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:18.720 of it? 275 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:21.440 So in general, I mean I could and I could. 276 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.600 I could go through this for a two hour segment, right, 277 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.679 but let's let's just kind of get into the summary. 278 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.639 I thought that when sour and when I think the 279 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.360 case that the that the government was making, I think 280 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:33.840 that led to I guess it was Kataji Brown Jackson's 281 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.639 absurd japan Wallet, you know, line of questioning, which was 282 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.440 ridiculous because he was basically, you know, trying to make 283 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.960 I think a cogent case. And then the other issue 284 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.840 that bothered me was when he said what he said 285 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.159 about people can fly to our country to your point 286 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.600 about illegal aliens, and then John Roberts says, yeah, but 287 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.240 you know it's still the same constitution. Well, hold on, 288 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.240 that's not the point. The point is we didn't have 289 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.879 an entire machine dedicated to moving line some masses of 290 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.639 people as a legal aliens and then coming here to 291 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.399 have babies on our soil in that time period, as 292 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.759 we do now. But here's what I wish that the 293 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:16.039 government had stressed further, the absurdity of if you just 294 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.960 had twenty million Chinese Communist mothers show up tomorrow pregnant 295 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.240 with babies, and they had the babies on our soil tomorrow, 296 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.480 you mean to tell me we suddenly have twenty million 297 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:31.360 Chinese Communist babies because that's what the fourteenth heat Amendment meant. 298 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.559 That's just clearly false. The fourteenth Amendment was to deal 299 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.519 with slavery, So I wish we'd have made that argument 300 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.279 a little bit more clear. When i've the amicus brief 301 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.080 that I filed that a great appellate lawyer named Chuck 302 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.840 Cooper worked with us on and Eric Schmid, who's the 303 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.360 chair of the Subcommittee Constitution in the Senate. The three 304 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.879 of us filed this brief. We were trying to really 305 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:55.200 focus in obviously on subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and 306 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.559 really highlight that issue and that important aspect of the 307 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.879 fourteenth Amendment, because it gets to the heart of what 308 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.320 the purpose of the fourteenth Amendment was about and like 309 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.039 we can nerd out on the law here, but for 310 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.039 everybody listening, it's so really important that we get this 311 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:13.279 right or we literally, I don't think, have a country anymore. 312 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.600 And if the court is going to side with the 313 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.360 idea that the absurd example I gave that if twenty million, 314 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.799 but it's not that absurd. If twenty million people come 315 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.799 here and moms and have babies, bam, you have twenty 316 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.720 million citizens that are now get they're citizens of China 317 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.799 and the United States. That's clearly wrong. So I don't 318 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.720 understand where Roberts and Amy Cody Barrett and a couple 319 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.519 who seemed to be indicating that they were going to 320 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.759 go you know, against the president's executive order. I don't 321 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:43.799 know where they want to try to set the line. 322 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:47.000 There's some line of DOMICILEI you're talking about this as well, 323 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.000 that wouldn't be it. But if you're here, but you 324 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.200 live here and you set up and you own a 325 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.759 house because you came here illegally ten years ago, and 326 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.200 then you have a kid, well, now you're just making 327 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.679 crap up in the court instead of us setting a 328 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:02.080 bright line. You're born of citizens and you're subject to 329 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.240 the jurisdiction of the United States, then you're a citizen. 330 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.799 Otherwise you should be naturalized. Anyway, we'll have to keep 331 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:08.759 fighting and working through it, depending on what the court does. 332 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.559 You know, that was a nineteen eighty two case, and 333 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:13.680 you know, if you go back and look at the law, 334 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.000 the court was basically acknowledging that they thought it was 335 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.920 kind of ridiculous, but even in their own words, like 336 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.920 in what they were acknowledging and saying in the case. 337 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.279 But the court at that time, remember that was the 338 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.720 same court that had decided Row ten years earlier in Texas, 339 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.359 by the way, and you know, and it set this 340 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.759 completely ridiculous notion that somehow the constitution says that if 341 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.640 you're an illegal alien child and you can be deported, 342 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.200 which under a law you could be deported. Nevertheless, a 343 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.279 Texas taxpayer has to pay for that child's education. And 344 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:46.680 the court basically acknowledge, oh, yeah, you could be deported, 345 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:48.880 but oh, by the way, we just think it would 346 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.160 be bad. We just think it would be wrong if 347 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:53.279 you don't educate the child. Where in the hell is 348 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.279 that in the constitution. It's not, And that's what we're 349 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:56.839 dealing with. 350 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:01.400 Yes, yes boy judges and Supreme Court wreck a country 351 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.079 in the war in court or those years certainly showed it. 352 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.039 I'm Greg Corumbus. Join Jim Garrity of National Review and 353 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:13.240 me each weekday for the Three Martini Lunch Podcast. We'll 354 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.119 give you the good, bat and crazy news of the 355 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.079 day and lots of laughs too. Find us right here 356 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.599 on the Ricochet Audio Network at ricochet dot com or 357 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:27.319 wherever you get your podcasts. 358 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:29.920 I know what you reminded me of, Yeah, I guess, 359 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.400 Amy Coney Barrett. I'm worried about and I'm also worried 360 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:39.839 about Roberts for that insane done a ruling that Roberts gave. 361 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.880 They acknowledge that Obama issues a completely illegal executive order 362 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.559 allowing illegal aliens to Dreamers. I want the dreamers to 363 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.599 go first, by the way. I want them gone before 364 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.079 the felons. They're here illegally and they're obnoxious and stamping 365 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.559 their feet. Now, dare you not give us amnesty? No? 366 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.359 I want them gone for obnoxious. But anyway, he for 367 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.480 the Dreamers, he says, we're going to give you work 368 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.440 permits and you know the equivalent of a citizenship card. 369 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.039 After saying over and over and over again to illegal aliens, 370 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:12.480 I can't do anything. Congress has to pass the law. 371 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:15.839 Congress didn't and wouldn't pass such a law. And then 372 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:20.759 Trump comes in and overturns what Roberts acknowledges was an 373 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:24.119 illegal executive order, which he overturns by executive order, and 374 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:28.279 Roberts finds, Nope, can't do that. No, you can issue 375 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:33.359 the illegal executive order, but you can't overturn an illegal 376 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.000 executive order with an executive order. It's utter, complete madness. 377 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:40.319 And if he'll do that with Dreamers, we have to 378 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:44.880 hope Katanji Brown Jackson cares about the Civil War, the 379 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.839 fact that the Fourteenth Amendment was entirely about freed slaves. 380 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.119 Well, well, I'm glad you mentioned that. It's a really 381 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.519 important argument. And when I was the first assistant Attorney General, 382 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.759 we were arguing, DAPPA right, DAPA, that's right, and that 383 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.960 because that was our foray into the arguments. At the 384 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.759 point in time, I got to remember exactly why that 385 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.400 the batting order was was what it was. But we 386 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.519 were setting up the stage for the DACA fight. Leaning 387 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.799 into the case, I think where we had to strut 388 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:20.640 the strongest case and parents, right, that's correct. And deferred 389 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:22.880 action for parents. People don't know what the acronyms mean, right, 390 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.680 deferred actions for these these children that the that the 391 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:28.519 Obama administration just manufacturer had a thin air, then this 392 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:30.960 was a okay. And if you're the parents of these children, right, 393 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.559 it's what they always do that it's just like, oh, well, 394 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:35.359 it's you know, we're gonna do one the little thing, 395 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:36.880 and then we're gonna do another, and then do another, 396 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:39.279 and we're making it all up as we go. Well, 397 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:42.880 we won that case, right, the Dappa case, and it 398 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.400 was very clear that it was a erroneous order by 399 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:49.720 the president and that it wasn't enforceable. And then you know, 400 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.920 fast forward your point about the arguments on on on DACA. 401 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.079