WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.279 And years ago HG. 2 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.279 Well's vasualized roads such as these and his science fiction fantasies. 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:24.879 And today there are Reality to the Afternoon to John Christ. 4 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.920 Welcome to the Afternoon Commune with Chris Kendall and John Adams. 5 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:36.000 Today is October twenty six, twenty sixteen. If you'd like 6 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:38.600 to hear previous episodes of the Afternoon Community, you can 7 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.640 go to Hoaxbusterscall dot com. You'll see those posted up there, 8 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.079 alongside the most recent episode of Chris's Monday night broadcasts. 9 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.679 The original Hoaxbusters Call also posted up There are various 10 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.600 articles and videos. Some of those are original in nature, 11 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:55.880 so make sure you check those out. For any and 12 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:01.679 all things folksbusters, go to Hoaxbusters Call dot com. Today, Chris, 13 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:03.479 my friend, how are you doing so good? To have 14 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:05.640 you back from your hiatus. 15 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:10.519 All. I'm doing well, getting back into the uh to 16 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:14.959 the flow through the uh yeah, trying to get it adjusted, 17 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.959 but uh yeah, it's going good. 18 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.840 Good. I guess. We had a couple of special reports 19 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.640 that came out recently. Make sure you tricked those out. 20 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.799 The most recent punk Rock and of course Chris was 21 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.200 Chris and I were both in Las Vegas. Keep covering 22 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:36.000 the stay there. 23 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.400 Yeah, still recuperating from that, still hung over. 24 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.760 Yeah, I was just you know, I still got sand 25 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:47.200 in my boots from being out of the desert there. 26 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.879 But uh, in any case, it's the month of October, 27 00:01:52.879 --> 00:02:00.040 it's nearing Halloween, and I was feeling pretty halloweeny, and 28 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.439 I thought, who better to get on? You know? I 29 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:06.840 thought of the movie immediately, thought of the movie Halloween 30 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:12.680 with Jamie Lee Curtis, the first one, And of course 31 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.479 thought of that that really terrible movie Trick or Treat 32 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.000 PC on HBO like five times a day when I 33 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.759 was a kid. And who better to celebrate Halloween with 34 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:29.599 but our good buddy Jay Dyer from Jaysanalysis dot com. 35 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.840 If you're not familiar with the afternoon Commute, you will 36 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.280 take note that Jay has been a gift on the 37 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:42.800 after commute for every month for a very long. 38 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.039 Time, about twenty years. I think it's our silver anniversary 39 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:46.479 coming up. 40 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.400 Yeah, twenty years. Yeah, yeah, great, Yeah, we've been doing 41 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.240 this for a while. But yeah, I check out jays 42 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:58.319 Analysis dot com. His book as Coming Out as a 43 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.639 Cheric Hollywood. You can go there and pick up a 44 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:05.719 copy and Jay writes on all sorts of interesting subjects. 45 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.080 I've read a good amount of his articles over a 46 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:15.199 long period of time and probably listening to all of 47 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:22.000 his audios. So good stuff, good stuff there all around, 48 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:23.759 So make sure you go check that out. 49 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:24.039 Jay. 50 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:25.840 How are you doing doing great? 51 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:29.960 Thank you for having me back on Hoaxtbusters. I think 52 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.439 you always fun, always love being on here. My CIA handler, 53 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:39.960 my CIA handlers always grant me hoaxbusters. They they say, 54 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.479 they say, since I do such hard work for the 55 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.039 deep State, that I can have a little fun on Hoaxtbusters. 56 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.759 Yeah, that's yeah, I can understand that. Well, we don't 57 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.199 really bash Jews too much, so and I know you're 58 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.400 actually a secret Jew as well. 59 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.879 I'm every day everything. I'm sure you guys get it too, 60 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.719 don't you. You guys get called something you're who you're 61 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:05.080 working for? 62 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:10.639 Someone HVC. I mean that sounds true. Hebrew Broadcasting Corporation. 63 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.120 That's oh what Chris is not telling you? 64 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.800 It's not Hebrew, but it is Kosher. 65 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:24.319 Well I got to meet Chris finally, so yeah, I could. 66 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:25.800 Tell what that with that? Who knows? 67 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.199 And how you know Chris was cheap with his money, 68 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.879 Chris was niggardly with so there we go. 69 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:37.759 What they didn't What they're not telling you is they 70 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:40.199 meant when they said they met in Memphis, they met 71 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:41.680 Memphis like GYP. 72 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.399 Yeah, it was a Masonic meeting, right. 73 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:52.560 I did complain about the parking, isn't it? Yeah? 74 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.759 Exactly, And the truth is out. I worked for the 75 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:56.680 Area Underground. 76 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.600 By the way, Oh is that? 77 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.120 Oh yeah, you well you were on Red Ice recently, 78 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:09.160 so I can understand that exactly. Sure, yeah, but yes, so. 79 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:14.079 Let me see here, what do we By the way, 80 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.240 we're just kidding, right, that's joking. 81 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:22.160 Are you guys are joking me? I'm a yeah. What 82 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.240 do you call it? Odin? 83 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.360 I worship Odin now? So because I went on Red Ice, 84 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:29.120 that means I worship Odin. 85 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.639 Oh yeah right, it makes you swear an oath of 86 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:33.600 Odin where you go on? 87 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.720 He means he means the heavy metal band from the eighties. 88 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:41.279 Oh well, yeah, who is it? 89 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:51.920 Yeah? He meant the I'm from decline a Western civilization too. Yeah. 90 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.399 So Jay, he recently did a tragedy in Hope part seven, 91 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:59.600 which is really good, and Chris posted up that Folksbusters 92 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:04.879 there and actually he'd been going over the entire book, 93 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:13.519 which which we've Chris and I have talked about a 94 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:17.600 little bit, and then actually when we get to the 95 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.360 last chapter, we'll definitely have to big discussion on that one. 96 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:26.160 That's okay, yeah, but uh, this is a very interesting 97 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.360 part that you're bringing up here in this chapter because 98 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.720 quickly a little bit in the last part that he did, 99 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.879 he starts to touch on nukes, and he's actually quite 100 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:44.160 sarcastic in his tone about when he's talking about nukes, 101 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.879 and so even more so in this particular thing. I'm 102 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:51.160 not gonna take up too much of the time here, 103 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.879 but I did find something recently that you guys might 104 00:06:54.920 --> 00:07:00.480 think is interesting in a book that I'm an off 105 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.920 reading for probably a couple of years. I can ever, 106 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.360 since having children, I can never finish a book within 107 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.000 a year now, when I used to read like books 108 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:21.800 fifty books a year. So this book is called Knowledge, Morality, 109 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:29.920 and Destiny by Julian Huxley. Okay, now here's what he says, 110 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:32.560 you know, in a bunch of different spots. But this 111 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.920 is this is going to parallel what we're going to 112 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.160 talk about. The scientific doctrine of progress is destined to 113 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.839 replace not only the myth of progress, but all other 114 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:45.879 myths of human earthly destiny. It will inevitably become one 115 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.079 of the cornerstones of man's theology. But whatever may be 116 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.360 the future substitute for theology and the most important external 117 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:58.800 support for human ethics. Once men come to be concerned 118 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.920 with the realization of new possibilities of experience and of 119 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.720 personal development, rather than the simple passage of one natural 120 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.120 stage of life to the next, new types of ritual 121 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:12.839 or celebration are required. These may be concerned with promotions 122 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.759 in hierarchies of rank, or within degrees of learning, or 123 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:23.040 steps of progressive initiation into sacred mysteries. The society of 124 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.639 the future will need to devise new ways for coping 125 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:32.360 with a variety of such situations. Okay, it is often 126 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.360 asserted that science can have no concern with values. On 127 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:38.879 the contrary, in all fields of social science, and in 128 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.000 rather a different way, wherever the applications of natural science 129 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:45.639 touch social affairs and affects human living, science must take 130 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.480 account of values or it will not be doing its 131 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.879 job satisfactorily. The population problem makes this obvious as soon 132 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.720 as we recall that population is merely a collective term 133 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.240 for aggregations of living human beings. We find ourselves thinking 134 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:03.480 about relation between quantity and quality, quantity of the human 135 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.360 beings in the population and quality of the lives they lead. 136 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:12.320 In other words, values the times of the essence for 137 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:16.639 the con the of the contract. If we if before 138 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.039 we the end of the century, the rate of human 139 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.080 increase is not lowered instead of continuing to rise, so 140 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.840 many values will have been damaged or destroyed that it 141 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.159 will be difficult to recreate them, let alone build a 142 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.519 new and better system. It's taken ten years for the 143 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.399 atomic threat to affect the world through thought and action, 144 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.799 how long will it take for the less spectacular but 145 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:45.600 more insidious, reproductive threat to do so. Just as the 146 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.600 horrible destructiveness of atomic warfare is now prompting a reconsideration 147 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:53.080 of warfare in general, it seems likely to lead to 148 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.480 the abandonment of all out war as an instrument of 149 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:58.879 national policy. So I would predict that the threat of 150 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.919 overpopulation the human values like health, standard of living, and 151 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.679 amenity will prompt a reconsideration of values in general and 152 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.559 lead eventually to a new value system for human living. 153 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.480 All right, So I find that to be interesting on 154 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:26.720 multiple levels, especially since for a while back, I read 155 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:32.840 on multiple calls. I read a passage from a book 156 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.879 that's not I think it's not that too hard to find. 157 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.320 You can find it on Amazon. It's called The Politics 158 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.639 of Contraception, and it's written by Carl Girassy, the guy 159 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:50.200 who invented who's given credit credit as inventing a pill. 160 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.279 And so anyways, in this book, he's going over about 161 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:57.320 how the term of the pill actually was coined by 162 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.759 Alvis Huxley, and then he goes into the section where 163 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:06.559 he talks about how Huxley calling got the idea for 164 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:10.360 calling it the pill was actually from a speech given 165 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.000 by Leo Sizlard, okay, or however it is he pronounced 166 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:21.279 that anything. And si Lard is a he's an interesting 167 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:24.559 guy because he was, you know, he's a guy who's 168 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.320 credited one of the guys credited with inventing nuclear fission. 169 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.159 So he's a nuclear physicist. But he decided that he 170 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.279 would give up his whole nuclear fission thing and become 171 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:50.440 an advocate for population control, right, and so uh so 172 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.039 that that was bizarre that he, you know, fit those 173 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.919 two particular fields. And you tend to see this connection 174 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.840 here with this people who are into the you know, 175 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.080 into the nukes there in the beginning, who come up 176 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.480 with this whole fake nuke idea, and then they switch 177 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.519 over to this population over population myth as well, right, 178 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.759 And I think that the two things are connected one 179 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.720 because of both myths. But it's but I thought it 180 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:25.200 was interesting too that that Huxley says that the atomic 181 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.480 threat is going to lead to the all out end 182 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:35.120 of war entirely, right, Yeah, yeah, Now that's very interesting 183 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:40.320 because I'm wondering if down the line, and I'm just 184 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:42.759 proposing this, I'm not saying that this is happening now, 185 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.279 but I do think it is happening now in certain areas. 186 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.360 I'm probably not in Syria or places that we have 187 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:54.080 actual you know idea we can actually identify it as 188 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.240 having conflict, but that the threat of nuclear ward will 189 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.200 lead to the creation of the end of war all together. 190 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.360 But but we may the population may still think that 191 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.320 there are war is going on, kind of like in 192 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.919 nineteen eighty four where there really isn't any war, but 193 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.200 the population gets told that there's war all the time, right, 194 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:21.000 and so you have so you know, once again, nukes 195 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.120 are always brought up. Where Chris and I were discussing 196 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:27.240 how nukes got brought up in the debates. Russia's got, 197 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:31.799 you know, eighteen hundred nukes ready to go, and you 198 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:38.120 got to be scared of Russia again. And so there's 199 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:44.480 this constant background of of of nukes, right, And I 200 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.840 just wanted to read that one little passage there to 201 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:51.039 provide that, you know, Julian Hudsley's you know, Julian Huckster 202 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.840 more like it, that that this is that this is 203 00:13:55.879 --> 00:14:02.559 something that is ongoing and quick he talks about this 204 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:07.480 in Tragedy and Hope in nineteen sixty six, and he 205 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:10.639 gives you the full background that these were not scientists, 206 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:22.759 These were not physicists managing nukes. These were bankers and lawyers, 207 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.480 and those were the guys who actually came up with 208 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:29.799 this whole idea of new technology, and that even the 209 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:36.200 scientists that were involved with it were controlled like that, 210 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:39.159 you know, they actually did have guys who were real scientists, 211 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.519 but that they were actually told what to do and 212 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.200 what to say yes by bankers. 213 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.399 Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 214 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.360 That most amazing point that quickly makes I think in 215 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:55.720 that whole chunk of the book that I did, is 216 00:14:55.759 --> 00:15:04.879 that the New Age is characterized by scientism, quantification, and atomics, 217 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.799 as you said, And the threat of nukes is precisely 218 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:17.279 what Quigley says is the inauguration of the new International Order. 219 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:23.080 And that's because Alexander Sachs and Bernard Baruch proposed the 220 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.759 creation of the UN Security Council because of nukes. 221 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:30.320 So the two World Wars, which were. 222 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:37.360 Pretty devastating, had to be surpassed by the next, much 223 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.759 more devastating, supposedly right threat, because we had one World 224 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:45.519 war and then we had one that was even worse. 225 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:47.759 And it's kind of like, remember how the shootings, the 226 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:51.639 stage shootings, the numbers just kept growing to where in 227 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.279 Orlando he's taken out like over one hundred. 228 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:59.600 Yeah, so the system kind of has to make. 229 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.799 It more outlandish and more science fiction oriented. And I 230 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.960 think that that's what they did here. Oh, the nukes 231 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.080 are going to cut the planet in half, you know, 232 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.720 they're going to destroy entire continents, They're going to do 233 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.639 all this nonsense, and it just put everybody into total shock, 234 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:16.639 total panic. 235 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:27.039 And that's the whole basis for the UN Security Council 236 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.240 we've got to have, which is just a form of 237 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.360 an attempt to stage a business phase right. 238 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.240 In the global government, and you're absolutely right to tie 239 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:39.919 it to population control, because ironically, a lot of these 240 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.320 people like you're talking about, who will be involved in 241 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:47.480 all these programs, they'll turn around and say mankind is 242 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.720 the disease upon this earth because he created nukes. 243 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:51.519 You see. 244 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.840 You see a lot of these grill globalist types are 245 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.840 the ones who support the establishment who created the nukes, 246 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.000 and then to say, oh, it's man that is the 247 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:09.440 disease upon Gaya planet Earth that has to be controlled, eradicated, 248 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.200 put into balance, whatever the propaganda is about population control, 249 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:15.480 and that's because of the danger in the thread that 250 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:20.160 he proposes to the planet because of nukes. 251 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:22.799 Yeah, that's interesting too that you bring that up, because well, 252 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.559 one from what you were stating earlier about the Helen. 253 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.920 Of course, that fits in perfectly with me reading that 254 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:35.119 quote Huxley because he started Genesco, so he tied into 255 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:39.079 the United stations there. He is probably one of the 256 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:48.640 most renowned writers on overpopulation myst for generating that throughout 257 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:56.440 popular culture. I've got multiple actual nineteen sixties Playboy magazines 258 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:01.880 where I got the actual Playboy magazine for the articles. 259 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:08.279 Of course, uh, with his articles in it about on overpopulation, 260 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.000 which is a great magazine to publish in about you know, uh, 261 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:17.079 sterilization and overpopulation, because the man who's going to be 262 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:20.799 reading that magazine is not going to be interested in 263 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:30.319 having sex because he wants appropriate So so Huxley's Julian 264 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:37.559 Huxley is tied in that way. And then also, what 265 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.359 was the other point he just said, I forgot darn. 266 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:46.960 It that that the A lot of the proponents of 267 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.759 the established then turn around and point out that man 268 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:54.680 has created nukes and therefore cancer on the planet. 269 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.200 Right, which Chucks is the genesis who created the term transhumanism. 270 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:02.440 He all about transhumanism. He was the promote He was 271 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:07.079 the prime original promoter of the idea of transhumanism. And 272 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.599 he's also a greene, like an early greenee, like back 273 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.160 in the sixties, like talking about even in this book 274 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:19.359 here there's a whole section on how he literally says 275 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:25.160 farmers are bad. He says farmers are bad because they 276 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:29.359 destroy the landscape. They're destroying the earth by farming, and 277 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.880 we need to create more space on the earth because 278 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.920 human you know, and by having less people on the earth, 279 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.480 then they'll be you know, there's like a beautiful beautification process. 280 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:44.200 Of course, the modern terment you know since the nineties 281 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:50.200 is rewilding. And yeah, so all of these guys are 282 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.799 all tied into that. So so it's like you said, 283 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:54.519 like they give you the myth of the nuke. The 284 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:59.039 nuke's bad, but see it's our fault. It's my fault 285 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:00.599 that nukes got created. 286 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:04.920 Yeah. 287 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:10.880 I think it's great too that you mentioned quantification, because 288 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.519 that's a big part of that chapter. Quickly, chapter the 289 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.319 New Age, where he talks about rand corporation, game theory, 290 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:22.759 cybernic cybernetics, Vanovar Bush and I actually argue that this 291 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.279 is that's one of the most important chapters in the 292 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.839 book because he predicts artificial intelligence, transhumanism, all based on 293 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:35.319 this philosophy of total quantification, which is tied into materialism 294 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:40.480 of course, pragmatism, empirical philosophy and all that, and the 295 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.000 rise of mild industrial complex. 296 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:43.359 That's what that chapter is about. 297 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:47.960 Military industrial complex is run by pr people, he says, 298 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:54.519 who employ compartmentalized actual scientists. And what quickly says is 299 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:58.480 that what a lot of these actual scientists were doing, 300 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:06.759 unbeknownst to them, was basically research for actual weapons now 301 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.319 and that's we know that that's how we get you know, 302 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:12.319 the Internet through DARPA, which was in the sixties Arpennet 303 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:16.000 and then Darpernet, which was transferring packets of information right 304 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:19.559 across across the country for cryptography for. 305 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.960 You know, spionage and all this kind of stuff. 306 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:28.200 So the people thought, right, So in other words, you 307 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.880 have to create this giant perception of this you know, 308 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.319 evil empire that's out there that's going to sabotage the 309 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:38.039 US and destroy the American way of life, all this stuff, 310 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.519 and this is what motivates all the people. You know, 311 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.759 you John, you've talked about this with the Silicon Valley 312 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:48.319 and the uh, you know, the perception of Cold War 313 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.799 and how that sort of marshaled all the energy of 314 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.920 the conservative right wing out there in California to you know, 315 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.680 go into the the tech realm. And that's all just 316 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:02.720 another arm of this military industrial complex that Quigley's talking 317 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:06.319 about in this chapter. And he interesting too that another 318 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:10.759 big figure in this this whole nuke scenario is the 319 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:16.720 character of doctor Edward Teller, the father of atmospheric aer 320 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.559 aerosol chemtriol spring, which I do believe is real and 321 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.279 as I said in the talk, you know, we don't 322 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:27.200 I don't know, maybe you guys, I don't know exactly 323 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:29.920 what the whole plan of it is because they cloak 324 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:33.960 it in so much climate change talk. It's hard to 325 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:37.200 make out what they are really doing with this. And 326 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.680 you know, we've talked about different possibilities on the show before. 327 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.759 I'm not trying to fall back into debating chim trails 328 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:43.480 or anything like that. 329 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.880 But what I'm getting at. 330 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.839 Is that you start to see that quote Manhattan Project 331 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.240 and quote Atomic Energy Commission, these are just kind of 332 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.200 umbrella terms for a private military inditional complex that is essentially, 333 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.319 I would say, concerned with weaponizing. 334 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:02.160 All of. 335 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.960 Creation in a way, in other words, how can And 336 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:10.319 the reason I say that is, you know, in the 337 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.400 sense of say William Ingdahl's first book, The Full Spectrum Dominance, 338 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.920 It's like, how can we take culture and weaponize it? 339 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:21.720 How can we take the environment and weaponize it? And 340 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.400 weaponizing the environment may not mean, you know, turning everybody 341 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:30.680 into like a nanotech drone zombie or something. Weaponizing the 342 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.799 environment can be done through Agenda twenty one and the 343 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:35.519 things that we're talking about. You know, it can be 344 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:38.079 done through saying, man is the problem. 345 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:43.200 Right, that's and you know that's interesting too because one 346 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.559 thing that I'm you know, sometimes you go back and 347 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:49.039 read this stuff that you forget about, and one of 348 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:53.480 the buzzwords I see in these guys stuff from the 349 00:23:53.559 --> 00:24:01.400 sixties is ecology and this idea, yeah of know this, 350 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:08.400 you know, this new kind of this new form that 351 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:12.039 they called ecology that uh and the better the betterment 352 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.559 of the ecology. Of course, Gregory Bateson's book is you're 353 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.559 mentioning cybernetics and all that stuff. Of course, his book 354 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.119 is called The Ecology of the Mind. 355 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:21.720 And then. 356 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:29.079 Huxley talks about ecology playing a big role in in uh, 357 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.319 you know, the betterment of of the human existence and 358 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:39.119 all this, and transhumanism is sold on ecology, on the 359 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:44.079 idea of ecology, because you know, once everything is mechanized, 360 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:45.519 then it's going to be a better world. It's going 361 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.599 to be cleaner. Yeah, you know, you know, it's all 362 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.079 going to be Uh. That's one thing that you do 363 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.200 see in the green in the green stuff with the 364 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:58.160 Agenda twenty one, and the connection with with uh the 365 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.759 transhumanist stuff is that we're they have a cleaner world 366 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.559 on once you know, the singularity comes in. 367 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.960 And that's in Marx and Ingles, by the way, if 368 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:14.000 you weren't aware, Marx and Ingles talk about the ability 369 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.559 of man to be reconciled to the environment, his alienation 370 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.920 from the environment, which industrialization causes, they say, And so 371 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.799 interesting too that you mentioned Huxley. 372 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.920 They're talking about. 373 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:34.279 The religious conception and then the replacement of theology with scientism, 374 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:39.480 because another way that they sell the ecology movement, the 375 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:43.519 green movement, all that now is precisely through the transference 376 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.400 of religious concepts not just to scientism, but also to 377 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.319 the environment. And quickly or excuse me, Huxley makes that clear. 378 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:53.559 Eltis makes that clear. And his other one of his 379 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.880 other lesser known famous books, The Perennial Philosophy, where he 380 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:02.640 outlines of this sort of ecumenical syncretist approach to where look, 381 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.079 he's saying, look, all the religions in a total Masonic sense, 382 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.480 they're all just talking about the same thing. And what 383 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.599 they're talking about is the environment. It's they're talking about 384 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:17.160 the world. They're talking about when when when we think 385 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.519 of God out there, that's just the reflection of man 386 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.720 projected onto you know, the newmana out there and the beyond. 387 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.079 But it's just mankind. And when mankind is worshiping these 388 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.799 forces that he believes are out there or whatever, it's 389 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.480 just really just the embodiment the personification of nature. And 390 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.920 that's the entirety of Huxley's project. That's why he's he's 391 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.279 that's why this ties into the ecumenical movement, because that's 392 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:51.359 the basis of the ecumenical movement is the transitioning right 393 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.400 of all these different religions and traditions and whatnot into 394 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.559 the the global sphere of the idea that we're all 395 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.920 just saying the same thing. And that requires of course, 396 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:10.839 I would I would argue, you know, different relativism, subjectivism, materialism, 397 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.319 you know, all the same culprits that I always always 398 00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.359 bitch about, if. 399 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:16.519 You if that makes sense. 400 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.359 Yeah. And another thing too, is that in hux considered 401 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.839 in this book, I don't have time to find the quote, 402 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:31.519 but he talks about, uh, what what you were just 403 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:36.720 talking about there? Industrialization, like in the Marxist sense. Now 404 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.119 he's now he makes a good he makes a good 405 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:43.440 point because this is true. He says industrialization of a 406 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:53.200 nation causes population growth to slow right, because when the industrialized, 407 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.960 then you know that as the theory goes not saying uh, 408 00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.400 this is completely and totally true, but this does get 409 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:04.119 chalked up to population growth slowliness. You know, once people 410 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:09.200 are indust are industrialized, then they stop, you know, having kids, right, 411 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.839 they start doing other things. They have leisure time, and 412 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.279 they're making money and so. 413 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.240 To Quigal too. 414 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.079 So so the funny thing is that, I mean, it's 415 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.319 not funny, but it is funny, he says. He says, well, 416 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.359 you know, don't get any ideas that we need to 417 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.960 go like industrialized places or that we don't need to 418 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:34.839 be industrialize the West. He says, actually, we need to 419 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:39.799 be industrialized, but come up with better uh contraceptives. 420 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:41.759 Exactly. 421 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.680 It's pretty funny, just like yeah, He's like, yeah, people 422 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.400 are talking about industrializing, like but you know, going out 423 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.240 and helping them people. Know, He's like, we don't want 424 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.680 to do that. We just need better contraceptives. 425 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.960 What's interesting also is that if you remember in Brave 426 00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:03.079 New World, he he says that the future world socialist 427 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.960 society will also keep certain areas in the older state 428 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:09.519 of being. 429 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.759 Or or third world or whatever you want to call it. 430 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.359 Old world and they had Yeah, these places are kind 431 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.240 of living reservations of museums, like living museums. 432 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:19.200 Kind of. 433 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:25.119 Yeah, he says in there in this book which I 434 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.000 recommend people to check. This book A Knowledge, Morality, and Destiny. 435 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.680 It used to actually be called at one time new 436 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:40.319 Bottle for new Wine. But he talks about uh so 437 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.720 he's talking about like Somatra and Bali and Java in 438 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:48.119 these areas which were which Chris and I actually discussed 439 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.160 on our conversation about Tiki. So these areas were being 440 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:59.400 you know, colonized, taken over and and uh, you know, 441 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:07.599 there's obviously dialectic between industrialization and uh tribalism in the 442 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.119 in the in the form of you know, like we 443 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.400 can debate like, Okay, do you leave the culture alone 444 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.160 and not go industrialize it, or do you know, do 445 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.240 you come up with like something that can help people 446 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.240 like that? That's debatable, right, and it's but it's only 447 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.319 debatable within the confines of this system that we currently 448 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:33.279 exist in, because we can't necessarily say that industrialization and 449 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:38.279 westernization of everything is good, right, but just for the 450 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.079 sake of argument within the within the confines of it, 451 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.839 of what Huxley is proposing. He's saying like, oh, yeah, 452 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:50.920 we need to keep like areas like like Bali, we 453 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.720 need to keep those areas pure because it's such a beautiful, 454 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.680 you know, it's so and he comes across as such 455 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.200 an elitist, such a such a prick because it's so 456 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.480 beautiful to like see these like you know, like people 457 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.400 like existing in their grass huts and they're you know, 458 00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.640 in this old way of life, right. And I'm not 459 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.720 saying that that isn't that that culture, it wasn't at 460 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.839 one time good. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that 461 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.599 the way that he's seen it is from an elitist 462 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:26.720 perspective of like a Margaret Mead or an anthropologist or 463 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:32.640 something like like like from the from his brother's perspective 464 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.559 of brave New World. We're like, oh, yes, we're gonna 465 00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.079 have like you just said, like we're going to have 466 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.359 these little areas that are untouched because we're so good, 467 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.680 we're so philanthropic, and uh, we need to be reminded 468 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.119 of this of like, you know, we're going to live 469 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.839 in this highly advanced technological grid where everything's controlled, but 470 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.559 we're going to keep like these old areas as kind 471 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.440 of like a zoo, like you go see like these 472 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:03.720 old ways of life, you know, yes. 473 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:07.039 Exactly exactly, And it shows you too that the whole 474 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:08.799 idea for world government is older. 475 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:10.519 And this is not like a new thing. 476 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.359 It's not well, all the stuff that you hear in 477 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.680 like the typical alternative media patriot crowd type stuff, like 478 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.759 these guys have been planning this for much longer than 479 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:30.200 what most people think. And well, there was a section 480 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.039 I was looking for in quickly where he talks about, 481 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:33.640 oh that one thing I wanted to say too is 482 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.839 that And I know that you guys already know this, 483 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.279 but it's interesting that he says that the nuke threat 484 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:48.640 and the transition into the bipolar world. He says that 485 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:55.680 this of necessity forces the entire system to move out 486 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.559 of all of the older ways of doing things from 487 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.039 the time of the Renaissance forward. So all the older 488 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.920 conceptions of nation states like you would get out of 489 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.799 you know, Europe and the Protestant Reformation and all these 490 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:13.319 the ideas of the kings and this this little nation 491 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.920 state versus thirty years war and all that kind of stuff, 492 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.920 as well as the economics. 493 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:19.319 Of ly fair. 494 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.480 He says all of that has to go like it's 495 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.920 it's it's forced into a new way of doing things, 496 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.039 which is the planned society, the rule by experts he 497 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.680 talks about on the page. 498 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:35.359 Eight sixty six here. 499 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:40.920 And that again, what's interesting is that for Quigley or 500 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.839 Huxley or any of those characters, they in this sense 501 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.319 they agree with Marxism. 502 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:46.680 Right. 503 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.319 So Marx said, not just that industrialization would you know, 504 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:57.519 lead to these periods of like alienation and all that. 505 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.039 And in Marx's mind he thought it, you know, of 506 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:03.240 course it would lead to the proletary revolution that would 507 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.519 bring the next stage of a big state communism, which 508 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.639 would then be followed by the withering away of the state. 509 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.639 But they actually do agree with Marxism, with Marx that 510 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.920 you would get this global order that would be socialists 511 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:23.639 in a sense, a Fabian type model. And what most 512 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.559 people forget is that Marx believes that that can come 513 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:34.719 through technological mechanization. So Marx saw the industrial revolution and 514 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:41.360 technological automation not as a bad thing, and industrialization in 515 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.840 Marx actually wasn't a bad thing because Marx thinks that 516 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.079 these things are necessary historical phases, and that's what's important 517 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.079 to keep in mind a lot of people don't know that. 518 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.199 I know I've kind of harped on that in different 519 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.440 talks and interviews, but it's important because people think Marxism 520 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.400 was something that kind of died and went away in 521 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.079 a sense it and it's classical form. No, there aren't 522 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.119 really Marxists out there, but what is out there is 523 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.119 this kind of morphed Medusa or not Madus. 524 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:10.880 So what am I thinking of? 525 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.679 This kind of monster that's kind of morphed into the 526 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.760 global democratic, capitalist, monopoly capitalist version which is setting on 527 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.239 top of socialism, right, so it's like socialism for everybody 528 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:32.039 down below, and then of course it's the oligarchs at 529 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.159 the top, and they're families that are going to have, 530 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.840 you know, the automation, all the benefits basically that are 531 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.519 that come out of the society, and everyone else is 532 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.400 going to be herded into megacities and all this kind 533 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.000 of stuff. So I mean, I'm just I know, I'm 534 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.039 rehashing stuff that we've talked about a lot. But what's 535 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.719 so important is that Quigley says that in this chapter. 536 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.760 He says that it's it's almost sounds Marxist, right, like 537 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.920 it's it's a necessary stage of history to move into 538 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.840 managerial rule by experts, the planned economy, global planned economy, 539 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.960 all of this, he says, is just the next stage. 540 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:11.599 And I think that that's part of the sigh op 541 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.639 to that these people operate under, is that they just 542 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.280 kind of declare it necessary. 543 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:18.840 Oh well, this is just the necessary phase. Right. You 544 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.360 don't want to be on the wrong side of history, 545 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:20.559 do you. 546 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.719 Yeah. Here's something I want to put in here at 547 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:33.960 this point is that you're talking about nukes and how 548 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.599 you know, they're talking about the nukes. So the concept 549 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.480 of nukes, So that's all you need is the concept 550 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.119 that there's nukes, that there's this super weapon that like say, 551 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.280 the Russians just as an example, have their hands on 552 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.840 and seeing this represents a threat to you know, the 553 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:58.079 so called civilized world. So what does that communicate is 554 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.159 that we'll see now these uh, these so called states 555 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.360 out there or nation states, you know, like Russia, them 556 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:11.239 having this ability or this capability is a bad thing. 557 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.440 It's a threat. And and and you know, by extension, 558 00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.079 the whole idea of these autonomous states are bad as well, 559 00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.920 you know. And and the same thing is kind of 560 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.280 the same. It's the same sort of line of reasoning 561 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.159 that's being put across with the like gun control, like 562 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:32.280 guns in the hands of individuals are a bad thing 563 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.079 because individuals can be trusted with that kind of power. 564 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.800 Even though there's that U n quote. I don't know 565 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.480 exactly where it's from, but it says that, you know, 566 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:45.440 the the private ownership of guns that it is, it's 567 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.880 it's it's not consistent or not keeping with the UH, 568 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.000 or it's in it's it's in conflict with having the 569 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.559 monopoly of power reside in the state, which is the 570 00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.880 you know, the I know a butcher that quote, but 571 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.280 it's something along that lines a legitimate power monopoly of 572 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.440 the state or something like that. So it is essentially 573 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.400 the same concept, except for you know, we see it, 574 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.960 we see the same kind of reasoning or so called 575 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:17.199 reasoning being played out on you know, multiple fronts, like 576 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:21.000 with the UH, the with the geopolitics and this idea 577 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:26.519 of of nukes, and and they're very convenient for communicating 578 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.320 that which very same thing which has been like what 579 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.159 you're talking about, which is like the goal, it's an 580 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:38.039 ultimate goal. What's that again, I said, is that a 581 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:38.760 mau quote. 582 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.800 I can't remember what the. 583 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.800 The of I'm gonna try to look it up. I 584 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.519 can go ahead talking on see if I can find that. 585 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.800 Well, you know what, what, I think it's the common 586 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.039 factor across the board. I think I mentioned this in 587 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.119 the interview with Tim Kelly a few months ago, was 588 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:08.800 that that both of the monopolistic capitalist, oligarchic fascist approach 589 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.719 as well as the communist Marxist socialist fabian what they 590 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.320 share in common and the why the CFR wanted that 591 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.800 convergence for so long that Quickly talks about is because 592 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:26.920 both of them share the goal of a homogenized monoculture 593 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.559 and standardization, so both systems have that process. And in 594 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.840 the sections where Quickly is treating the Cold War installing 595 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.280 and all this stuff, he talks about the you know, 596 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:42.440 these failed plans of the Soviets for these collective farms, 597 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.599 and you might think, well, that was all just a 598 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.000 big disaster. But interestingly, if you think about it, the 599 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.519 whole Soviet method of the collective farm in the attempt 600 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.760 to have this communist, Marxist, totally egalitarian farming situation for 601 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.000 millions of people, which actually resulted in the deaths of 602 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.199 millions of people at least according to the official story 603 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.760 of Stalin and all that, which I'm sure is probably 604 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:09.760 mostly correct. 605 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.440 I don't really I guess somebody could debate that. 606 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:15.760 But yeah, assuming that's correct, the reason it fails is 607 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.159 irrelevant because or excuse me, the failure of all the 608 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.400 collective farms is irrelevant because all it was was the 609 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.960 test bed of the system to down the road move 610 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.800 into the green system. 611 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:32.079 You see what I'm saying. 612 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:36.920 So, in other words, the methodology and approach of the 613 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:42.119 collective farms and collective agriculture that you see with Stalin 614 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:48.400 and Khrushchev, it is basically the same approach that the 615 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:54.480 ecology movement and the green movement want to do with agriculture, farming, 616 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.440 globalism and all this. Right, they want to have a 617 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.079 total global control over all of those things. And you 618 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.480 see this in the US with big not big Pharma, 619 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.679 but but big big Agra. Right, Big Agra wants to 620 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.679 control all the farms. They're gonna have the genetic modification, 621 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.360 and just like with Stalin and his collective stuff, they 622 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.880 sell they would sell it by all the promises. 623 00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:18.360 Right. 624 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.880 See, all the old system, the old system had all 625 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.719 these you know, it was all based on capitalism and 626 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.000 it was based on private ownership of farms, and look 627 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.280 at all the problems you see, So you have the 628 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.239 threat the problem there, right, the new system is going 629 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.360 to give you all these new it's all these grand promises. Right, 630 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.599 you're gonna have everybody's gonna be fed, everybody's belly will 631 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:41.000 be full. 632 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.519 And now we see it with the exact same thing. 633 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.639 So oh, Monsanto and the GMOs, they're gonna they're gonna 634 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.400 feed the world. Everybody's gonna be fed. We won't have 635 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.679 crop failures, we won't have hunger. And now it's all 636 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.880 it's all the exact same managed society like the Soviets, just. 637 00:41:59.000 --> 00:41:59.800 Like in the US. 638 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.159 Right, there's a great documentary, I forget the name of it, 639 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.519 but it was comparing the cult the Soviet system with 640 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:08.960 the system in the West, and they were. 641 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.360 Pointing out how similar it was. 642 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.760 Right Like, so in the US you might have coke 643 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.039 and pepsi, but if you were to go over there, 644 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.400 it would be like you know, the parties Coke Party, pepsi, right, 645 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.719 like the pepsi of the Soviet party or is on 646 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:26.000 the right. I mean, you know, if you got light bulbs, 647 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.920 it would be victory light bulbs right nineteen eighty four, 648 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:31.719 Commy coke. 649 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.639 Mister there, maybe you'd like to create some state sponsored 650 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.440 so the pot. 651 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:44.599 Yeah, you know what else? 652 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.519 Remember that documentary on standardization and planned obsolescence light bulb conspiracy. 653 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.159 This this documentary I'm trying to think of. I can't 654 00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.519 remember the title of it, but it's it's basically it 655 00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.199 has some of the same points in it. It's like 656 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:04.159 this the Soviets system, they would actually one of the 657 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.079 reasons that they in certain areas couldn't compete is because 658 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.440 they would try to if they came up with a 659 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.960 light bulb, they would try to push the light bulb 660 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.400 that worked for a long time. But because the world 661 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.960 was moving into the consumerist society, which is what their 662 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.320 in corporation was pushing. Then if you're pushing a light 663 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.079 bulb that last ten years, twenty years, you're going to 664 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.400 be put out of business because you're not going to 665 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.159 make the profit that would be able to keep up 666 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.039 with the company that's or the world, actually the global 667 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.599 market that's based on planned obsolescence. 668 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.159 So that one of all I'm saying is that it shows. 669 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.679 It shows that the Soviet system, in my view, was 670 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.039 once again just to kind of test to to try 671 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.519 out these different things in different regions, try out different 672 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.320 methods of total control and see what worked best. And 673 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.159 since the Soviet one didn't work, that the one in 674 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.119 the West, which is very similar, pretty much the same one, 675 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.079 but it's dressed up in different garb uh, gives the 676 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.360 impression of a little more freedom. That one works a 677 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.920 lot better than the sort of top down you know, 678 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.440 Stalin presenting himself as a newsar right. 679 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:18.880 M. 680 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:24.159 Yeah, I think the I think the American model of 681 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:29.079 the Western you know, we we do, indeed, I think 682 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:34.239 have in some respects more you know, quote unquote freedom. 683 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:39.039 I mean we, you know, I mean we pretty much. 684 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.360 I mean we could say whatever we want to say 685 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.960 and put it out onto kind of uh you know, 686 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.480 onto a podcast and what have you, or some platform 687 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.159 or you know, if you can get a platform, you 688 00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.239 can talk put out whatever you want to talk about. 689 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:59.000 But it it now supposedly, you know, they have all 690 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.920 these kind of tight restrictions on speech, like in places 691 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.360 like China or you know, or Soviet Russia or the 692 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:11.719 former Soviet Union. Now how much of that is true, 693 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.320 I don't I don't know, or how another thing with 694 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.840 all of this is like, how okay, so that that's 695 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.920 the official position, but how strictly is all of that 696 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:29.239 enforced in those countries? And like what is the Oh somebody, yeah, listener, 697 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.599 don sent me a link to an article about how 698 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.719 sarcasm is. Uh, they want to outlaw sarcasm in North 699 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:41.159 Korea and so let's say, well, I mean that tells 700 00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.079 you there must be a lot of sarcasm going on 701 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.119 in with Korea. So yeah, yeah, what's going on there? 702 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.760 Remember remember the stories of the one child policy. I'm 703 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:50.559 not in China. 704 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.880 I'm not saying that there wasn't a one child policy 705 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.519 in China. I'm sure there was, and I'm sure that 706 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.960 there were attempts to restrict this. But when you stop 707 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.159 and think about how many people are in China, so 708 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.199 we're told, right, well, there's like a billion Chinese people 709 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.519 or some you know, how if you saw them, think 710 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:11.800 about how you would enforce that. 711 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.880 Yeah, I've heard too that the one child policy that 712 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.760 the way to get around it is just a bribe 713 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.000 and official like the US a thousand thousand dollars US 714 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.880 or something like that, and that then you could have 715 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.840 you know, a third child or two children or whatever 716 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:34.000 now child or whatever. It's just a yeah, it's open 717 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.719 bribery there, like a right, yeah, So how do you 718 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.360 control a billion people? That's a real good question. And 719 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.039 do they and or is it just this when and 720 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.679 I try to make the point as frequent as possible, 721 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.639 it's like, yeah, I mean you're talking about government, you're 722 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:56.679 talking about it. It's it's a fictional construct that that 723 00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:04.159 really only exists between our ears. The real practical uh, 724 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.840 you know, ability for them to enforce actually enforce or 725 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.599 force anything upon us, you know, they or them or 726 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.599 whatever you want to call it. This idea of government 727 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.280 and what they represent as far as a percentage of 728 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.679 the population, it's so insignificant that there's there's no practical 729 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.239 way that they could possibly enforce the so called law 730 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:27.480 on the populace. 731 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:32.280 Yeah, elites said, elites in trying to have two more 732 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.800 than two children. So it's the same thing. So it's 733 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.119 the same thing like what's here where like we talked 734 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.360 about before, you know, with you know, someone like Hillary's 735 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.199 not going to get busted for doing stuff that some 736 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.039 something you or I would get busted for or whatever. 737 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.119 It's the same thing in every country most likely. 738 00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.519 Yeah, and it's the same way kind of with the surveillance, 739 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.800 which I think showed that the whole Snowden thing was 740 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.000 a SIoT, was that they're not I don't think they're 741 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.519 really that concerned about people finding out. In fact that 742 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.840 I think they wanted them to know the ability at 743 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.639 least or the degree or probably exaggerated abilities of the 744 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:18.280 surveillance so that people would police themselves, right, which we've 745 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:19.599 talked about of course many times. 746 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.719 But if you think. 747 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.079 About it too, I mean, think about how many people 748 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.639 it would take to police everybody's speech. I mean, it's 749 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:32.079 just like it's almost impossible. I mean, even the supercomputers 750 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.400 and the metadata and all that, like, it requires tremendous 751 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:39.679 resources to try to sift through this information. So and 752 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.559 I'm not saying that they couldn't if they wanted to 753 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.639 find out you know, who's saying what and all that. 754 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.840 I'm sure they do. But you know, it's kind of 755 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.679 like Jones used to always say that a lot of 756 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:53.079 the NSA stuff is primarily for the people in the 757 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.760 establishment to be to be surveilled, which, by the way, 758 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:58.119 is another parallel to the Stalin regime. 759 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.559 Yeah, well, they East German Stazi, they had all kinds 760 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:09.599 of machinations there to make which I would like, I've 761 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:12.000 I've looked at different stuff on that, you know, documentaries 762 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.679 and stuff. How much it is true, I don't know. 763 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:18.440 I wasn't there us got to say that, but what 764 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:22.519 what I gathered from looking at what they're doing much 765 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.480 I was like, you're touching on Jay, these are I think, 766 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.960 like these countries and like you're talking about all the 767 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.440 Soviet Russian stuff are like big open air laboratories to 768 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:40.280 pass you know, social engineering out on large scales. And 769 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.519 you know, they did this in East Germany with a Stazi, 770 00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.960 with the surveillance state, and it was like, well, it 771 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.239 got to a certain point that it was just beyond 772 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:52.119 absurd where they had like every third person like part 773 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.039 of the spy. 774 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.760 And that's, by the way, what most And again I'm 775 00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.679 not a Stalin scholar or even an expert on Cold War, 776 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.159 but everybody who I've talked to, or you know, college 777 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.559 classes where we dealt with this, or books that you read, 778 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.559 pretty much everybody says that Stalin's whole thing collapsed because 779 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.079 of that very thing, Like everybody's worried about who's going 780 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.639 to spy on them and then quickly says that the 781 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.239 transition from Stalin to Krushchev was just basically one giant 782 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.079 power struggle and everybody lying and spying on everybody else, 783 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:33.079 and Stalin's power collapsed and then Khrushchev stepped into the vacuum. 784 00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.519 So the story goes yeah. 785 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.960 And then then one thing they would show was like, Okay, 786 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.639 for instance, they would take these dogs that are trained 787 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:48.079 to hunt people down, and so if you got accused 788 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.719 where ranfl the state, like in the East Germany, like, 789 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.280 they would take like a cloth and set it down 790 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.719 in your desk chair or whatever to get your scent, 791 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.920 and they would seal it in a are and put 792 00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.000 it on a shelf so that if they ever had 793 00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.119 to like track you down with a dog, they can 794 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.760 pull that rag out and get a cent off of it. 795 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.559 And then they showed these big warehouse full of just 796 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.760 jars with rags in them, and I was like, oh, 797 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:19.519 I mean, you know, think about that for a minute. 798 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:23.960 It's just And they also had like they were pulling 799 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:26.280 out these file systems, and they said that it got 800 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.000 to the point where they were putting so many files 801 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.119 and so many dossier's on people, and they got so 802 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.440 voluminous that they they got to the point where instead 803 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.559 of filing they would just stuff them into like boxes 804 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.199 and ba and stuff and just you know, no organization 805 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:44.320 or anything. They just had just mountains of paper and. 806 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.760 It was just it was wouldn't they they didn't they 807 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.159 They use poodles, didn't they? 808 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:50.280 I don't know. 809 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.960 There was there was a little poodle who had they 810 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:55.519 he would wear a Soviet commas our outfit. 811 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.000 And that's who. That's that's who sniffed you down. 812 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:00.639 Uh. 813 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:10.159 They were called the pollt bureau poodle. Yeah, the poodle bureau. 814 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:16.119 You want to make from the poodles in Russia and 815 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.840 very really sent goodn't have death mistic Dieter. Do you 816 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.639 think it's really funny? Poodles are very vicious? 817 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.320 M hm. 818 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.960 Actually, poodle poodles are bread, are bread to be attack dogs. 819 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:33.440 That's yeah, that is true. They are. They are. They 820 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:42.199 are vicious little bastards, that's for sure. Uh well what well, yeah, Chris, 821 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:46.559 you're talking about you know, the jars with the cross 822 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.559 with the Stasi and the the files and all that 823 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:56.960 type of stuff. And I just wanted to bring up 824 00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.159 to the obvious point that this is social experimentation and 825 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.679 obviously to see what people you know, this is was 826 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.920 you know, trying to see what exactly people could what 827 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:11.360 you could get people to do to each other, like 828 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:13.519 you know, I mean they have that movie out there 829 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.960 that's interesting from what I remember I've seen a long 830 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:27.800 time in the lives of others. Yeah, yeah, so and 831 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:35.159 and uh, like the data collection itself is fakery. That's 832 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.719 tricking you because because you're thinking to yourself, oh my gosh, 833 00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:46.039 there is massive supercomputers out there running algorithm algorithms on 834 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.920 our conversation right now, and we need to be scared 835 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.199 of that. We need not do anything because it's so massive. 836 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.159 It's so it's you know, it's like a it's like 837 00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:02.119 this huge giant but see that's that's it's that's one 838 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:08.320 of its problems too. One of the problems of the 839 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:13.159 super Marnolithic state is that it becomes so massive that 840 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:18.920 you can't find anything in it. So whereas it's scaring 841 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.840 the Bejesus out of you because it's so monstrous and huge, 842 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.159 it works on most people in the back with the 843 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.079 background noise. I was just recently talking to someone and 844 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:36.639 uh they were they were talking about I can't remember 845 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.719 what they said, but they said something along the lines of, uh, 846 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:46.519 I remember I brought up we were talking about credit reports, 847 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:48.880 and I brought up how t r W back in 848 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.320 the eighties was a c I a front for data 849 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:57.280 collection mhm and uh that was, you know, a credit 850 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.719 reporting agency. But there and then you know, they had 851 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.679 that mo movie which we talked about a little bit, 852 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.639 that falcon in the Snowman movie where allegedly these guys 853 00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:09.639 were it was basically like the model for Snowden in 854 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:11.599 a way, the Falcon and the Snowman. They made that 855 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:16.559 movie with Sean Penn and Timothy Hutton, and yeah, it's 856 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:19.679 these guys who work at TRW and they're giving the 857 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:27.079 Russian secrets and they're walking out with with tiles and 858 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.679 massive amounts of files and just giving them over to 859 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:37.440 the Russians in Mexico and uh. And so that I 860 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.440 was telling this to this person, they said, oh, yeah, 861 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:47.039 that that sounds like conspiracy stuff, right, And they're like, wow, 862 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.800 that that that was in the eighties. They're like, well, yeah, 863 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.760 I guess you know, they're you know, they're kind of 864 00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.360 a liberal minded person. So they were aware of Edward 865 00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:59.840 Snowden that type of stuff. They're like, yeah, I guess 866 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.800 it's been going a lot on a lot longer than 867 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:05.920 you know, the NSA and so I just brought up 868 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:13.719 like the Technological Society by Jacques Loel and and like, 869 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:18.920 you know, the information storing and the control grading of itself. 870 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.519 I mean, it's probably been around since since day one 871 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:28.480 of civilization. You know, spies are as old as you know, 872 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.599 spies are as old as prostitutes are. 873 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:36.719 Right, and the confessionals back in the day, right. 874 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.719 Sure, and and so so. Uh so you know, it's 875 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.840 it's the same, it's the same thing. But I'm sure 876 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.800 like back in you know, ancient times or whatever you 877 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.280 want to call it is uh they have these same 878 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.840 type of threats that you know that the state, the 879 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:59.199 all powerful state is watching over you and that you 880 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.199 better be scared of it. But most of the time, 881 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:07.679 for the most part, it's not really something that's happening. Yeah, 882 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:13.079 it's the it's the threats, the perception. Yeah, yeah, it's 883 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.800 what could possibly happen to you. I mean, it's the 884 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.119 same thing with not paying your taxes. I mean, you 885 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.639 could get in trouble for not paying your taxes. There 886 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.760 are people out there who have gotten in trouble for 887 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:31.039 not paying their taxes. But there is a percentage of 888 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:33.199 people that you don't know or that you've never heard of, 889 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.599 who don't pay the taxes and nothing happens to them. 890 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.880 Yeah, there's a huge amount of non filers. 891 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:40.920 Yeah. Yeah. 892 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.599 And the reason for this, by the way, is I 893 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:50.840 think that you know this, the the people in power 894 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.119 have known for a long time about that principle that 895 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.639 we've mentioned many times that you know, Kissinger said that 896 00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.000 it's really about perception and not what's the facts are. 897 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.920 And so for example, you go back to Elizabethan England 898 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.800 and the whole you know, the whole modern spy culture 899 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.239 arises out of the British intelligence, which, as we've said 900 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.559 many times, that goes back to John d and Elizabeth 901 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.800 and all that, and there would have these paints. She 902 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:19.920 would have these paintings commissioned of her, these you know, 903 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.800 these famous paintings of Queen Elizabeth, and she's got in 904 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.599 one hand, she's holding a rainbow showing her rulership or whatever, 905 00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.400 and then the gown she's wearing is covered in eyes. 906 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.679 And so the painting, which presumably, I guess a lot 907 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.679 of people would have been seeing. The painting itself is 908 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.840 a kind of is a form of symbolic propaganda, kind 909 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.559 of telling people, hey, I've got all these spies everywhere. 910 00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.559 And she was of course known for her vast spy network, 911 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.000 you know, Sir Walter Rawley and all these people and 912 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:55.280 John d and all this, and so it was the 913 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.199 perception that there were spies everywhere, and you know, who 914 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:00.599 knows to what degree there and weren't. 915 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.039 But the same thing with what. 916 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:08.199 They did in the eighteenth century when they studied panopticism, 917 00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:09.960 and I'm sure you guys are familiar with that with 918 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:14.239 you know, Michelle Foucaud, the philosopher has written on panopticism 919 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.199 after the fact, and he talked about how you know, 920 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.079 the construct of the prisons in France and in England, 921 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:22.480 this is the ideas of Jeremy Bentham. 922 00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:24.559 Right where the guard. 923 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.280 Tower is in the middle and you don't even have 924 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.039 to have guards in there as long as you know, 925 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:30.760 the windows are blacked out or whatever, and all the 926 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:35.039 inmate cells are facing inwards towards the tower and they're 927 00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.239 completely open. So the idea here is that you're under 928 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:42.159 constant surveillance most likely, So you think and what they 929 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.760 noticed was that it just caused everybody to alter their 930 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.079 own behavior. So what I'm saying is that that's all 931 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.760 that whole, all that snowed and stuff is just the 932 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.599 exemplification of that principle that it doesn't mean, Yeah, it's 933 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:58.440 not possible to you don't have enough manpower right to 934 00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:02.119 police all of this data. But all you need to 935 01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:03.880 do is give everybody the impression that you do. 936 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.519 Well, there's an element you can add to the panopticon 937 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:12.039 would be now, what now, just just proposing this, what 938 01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:16.880 if you had inmates that weren't really inmates, they were 939 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:20.719 just moles so to speak, in and amongst the population, 940 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.719 so that from periodically they could go in and do 941 01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.440 a bit of theater where they take one of them 942 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.719 ount and say, oh, we caught you you, we saw 943 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:36.440 you doing something. Yeah, and then the perception is created like, oh, okay, 944 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.599 so this is yeah, you can get you can get 945 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.880 you can get found out if you're so. Then they 946 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.039 wouldn't even have to have guards, they wouldn't even have 947 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.360 to have anybody watching it all, just the perception of 948 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:49.320 it exactly. 949 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.440 Yeah, that's that's something I've I've even questioned in recent 950 01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:03.039 times like thinking about that is, I'm I'm sure that's 951 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:07.800 what a lot of this stuff, you know, with a 952 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:13.440 lot of the fakery and things like that, is like 953 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:16.400 like Chris just said, like you could have people plant, 954 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:18.960 you know, planted in there in a prison or something. 955 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.519 Then you know, guards beat guards, beat them to a 956 01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.239 pulp allegedly, or make it look like they beat them 957 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:28.559 to a pulp, and then that scares everybody into doing 958 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:35.719 it or into obeying. And that's you know, just as 959 01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:43.079 time goes on, it becomes more relevant that the fakery 960 01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.199 is a lot easier than it is to pull things 961 01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.079 off in real life. I'm not obviously not saying that 962 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.360 people don't get beat down in prison in that prison 963 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.400 full of mole, even though prison is full of moles too. 964 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:02.920 What I'm saying is is like, is like what I 965 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.679 was alluding to with the Julian Huxley quote, with the 966 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:08.639 warfare and all that type of stuff, We're getting to 967 01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:16.400 a point toward people. Well, once again the stem off 968 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.840 of what I'm trying to say, uh pre uh giving 969 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:24.000 giving a pre explanation. So Jane and I had a 970 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:28.760 conversation over text where he had sent me a National 971 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:33.159 Geographic article or or what did you say? You said 972 01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:36.039 something was in National Geographics, and then you and I 973 01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:40.239 got into a conversation about how like the media is 974 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.480 destroying itself, like the old forms of media are dying, 975 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:45.800 but that was actually part of the plan to have 976 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.159 all those old forms to actually die off, like magazines 977 01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:55.119 and newspapers and stuff, because you know, the Internet is 978 01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:01.719 what they want everybody to be on it. But that 979 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.000 doesn't necessarily mean that everybody that works in National Geographic 980 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.840 or at the New York Times is in on it 981 01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:11.679 that that those old forms of media are going to 982 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:14.639 die out. Like there's obviously people who work there who 983 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.679 realize that those are old forms dying, but they're not 984 01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.000 in on the gag that that was something that was 985 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:25.320 talked about long ago, that these that these would go away, right, 986 01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:31.239 And so it's the same thing with old forms of 987 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:38.199 warfare are going to go away and the old forms 988 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:42.159 of of doing things. And I think that what we've 989 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:45.800 seen in the past, you know, you know, especially in 990 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.599 the more recent times, is that the old forms of 991 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:53.239 doing things are are are going away. Not that they 992 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:56.719 that they didn't call off fakery in old times or 993 01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.760 anything like that, but I do tend to think that, 994 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:05.920 you know, people really do get killed and murdered and 995 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.519 all that type of stuff. And when it comes to 996 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:12.159 power plays and all that and all those types of things. 997 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.559 I don't think everybody, every single person ever has been 998 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:21.599 shepherded off to a private island somewhere. But that goes 999 01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.880 on a case by chase basis. That's not that's not 1000 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:30.760 to say that that doesn't happen often. And nowadays I 1001 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.000 think what what happens is is the old form, like 1002 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.239 I was saying, the old form of warfare will eventually 1003 01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.679 go away where you won't even need to actually go 1004 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.000 fight wars anymore. You can just tell people that that 1005 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.880 a war is going on, and then you can also 1006 01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:49.239 just tell people that, oh, like we just had here 1007 01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:53.519 recently when I wanted, when I saw a bunch of newspapers, 1008 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.440 I didn't even know that this happened, but I knew 1009 01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:00.599 I had a suspicion about being fake because on every 1010 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:04.960 newspaper from the New York Times to uh, you know, 1011 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.599 the local newspaper at the newsstand, they just got every 1012 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:16.159 newspaper thirteen people killed in the bus accident in Palm Springs. 1013 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:18.920 And the first thing I thought of is that it 1014 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.079 was a fake story just because of the fact that 1015 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:29.199 it was plastered on all over every newspaper. And it's like, 1016 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:31.519 why would you be Why would the New York Times 1017 01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.119 have this on the front page with huge, you know 1018 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:38.480 headlines like thirteen people you know die in a bus crash, right, 1019 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:45.679 and and so there's something shady about this bus crash 1020 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.599 or I'm not bringing this up to UH to talk 1021 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.079 about that particular instance. But what I'm saying is is 1022 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:56.559 now you can have these events and they don't need 1023 01:05:56.599 --> 01:06:01.159 to be real anymore because one no one's no one's 1024 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.760 going to go no one's going to know either way, 1025 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.519 and no one's going to go out there and investigate it. 1026 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:11.000 There's not there's no real journalists anymore. Who that's not 1027 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:14.440 necessarily true. There's no real journalists in the mainstream anymore. 1028 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.519 Who who will go out there and get handed a 1029 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:20.159 piece of paper by some you know official who's just said, Okay, 1030 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:25.079 here's what happened. Right. So it has become much easier 1031 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.119 over time to be able to just have these controlled environments, 1032 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.840 and why not do that? Why not when you can't? 1033 01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.039 It fits into everything we've been saying about the creation 1034 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.599 of the threat, the perception of a threat. 1035 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:40.679 Threating have to be real. 1036 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.960 You just create you know, the stage shootings give the 1037 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:49.960 impression that there are just craze mad man going on 1038 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:51.320 shooting spreeze everywhere. 1039 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.320 It's just constant, you know. 1040 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.440 And then of course obviously the establishment says, up, we've 1041 01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:57.280 gotta have gun control. 1042 01:06:58.440 --> 01:06:58.719 Uh. 1043 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.000 The the whole story of the nukes, right, Ah, there's 1044 01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.039 a black market nuke network that's just gone rampant across 1045 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:09.079 the world. You know, what are we going to do 1046 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:13.320 the aq CON nuke network which is all suspiciously connected 1047 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:14.039 to the CIA. 1048 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:16.679 Oh, well, we've got to have a global you know. 1049 01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.480 Force to to police this. Oh, we got the threat 1050 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.519 of the spies and the Soviet moles everywhere. 1051 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:23.159 What are we going to do? 1052 01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:26.599 Oh, we got to set up surveillance everywhere. We got 1053 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:29.079 to have number stations everywhere across the globe. We've got 1054 01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.119 to have outposts to listen in on everything. 1055 01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:33.400 For the nukes, for the Russians and the spies. 1056 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:38.400 Right, so, all these threats are just constantly Basically, we're 1057 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.360 just giving a bunch of whole bunch of false threats, 1058 01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:44.280 is really what it amounts to. At For the establishment, 1059 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.280 you know, for the establishment to extend its goals, and 1060 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:49.079 it really is. I think that's simple. That's how the 1061 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:52.800 system works. It runs on all these fake threats and 1062 01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:58.599 it has to constantly keep upping the ante and rolling 1063 01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:00.239 them out, you know what I mean to kind to 1064 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.400 kind of keep it going. And that's where you get 1065 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:05.440 all the stage craft and all the fakery and all this, 1066 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.559 you know, all the hoaxery and uh yeah, I think 1067 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:10.599 you nailed it right there. 1068 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.920 You'll see the Vice documentary where they went out and 1069 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.119 went on the black market to buy a suit It 1070 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:21.319 was a suitcase nuke. 1071 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:23.319 Yeah, I have, I've seen. Yeah. 1072 01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:26.199 Vice is totally c a by the way, but there's 1073 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.279 a whole bunch of things about Vice that I think 1074 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.840 show that they're right, Like they're the you know, they're 1075 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:34.399 going to embed with ISIS. Yeah right, but we can't 1076 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:39.039 stop ISIS. But but Vice visus, right, Vice can go 1077 01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:43.640 in bed with ISIS, get and break. Yeah, yeah, And 1078 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.079 they're going to go on the black market NEWT Network. 1079 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:47.199 Oh, they're going to talk. 1080 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:53.000 To this this secret organization called the Pink Panthers who 1081 01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:57.880 are behind all the diamond smuggling and all right, so 1082 01:08:58.560 --> 01:08:59.800 Vice can go find them. 1083 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:03.439 But you know, inter Pole and the CIA and none 1084 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:03.880 of these. 1085 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:07.479 Groups can stop these all the rogue villains, right, the 1086 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:08.760 rogue villains everywhere. 1087 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.079 That's a big part of the whole. 1088 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:13.800 And that's what you know when you grow up on 1089 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.159 Hollywood and you watch movies and all this stuff, the 1090 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.640 movie is always presented that way, right, there's all the 1091 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:22.600 rogue villains are all out there, rogue nations, the rogue cartels, 1092 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.359 the rogue black market, and you know, like if you 1093 01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:29.720 watch that, I think it's a mediocre movie. 1094 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:31.159 Lord of War. 1095 01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:35.279 The good point at the end of that Nicolas Cage movie. 1096 01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:39.680 He realizes that he thought he was this rogue arms 1097 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.560 trader and he was being protected somehow, and then he 1098 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.239 finds out who's protecting him. It's like Pentagon generals. 1099 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.159 That's funny you bring that up because my brother was 1100 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:57.159 telling me about that movie said that, oh yeah, you 1101 01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:01.000 hear that they had something come out in Clinton's emails. 1102 01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:05.319 That's that it said. It goes right along with the 1103 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:06.439 script of that movie. 1104 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:09.079 Oh Lord of War. 1105 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:13.920 Really yeah, where some arms trader gets some kind of deal, 1106 01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.239 he gets off because he was you know, like you're 1107 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:18.960 talking about and with the. 1108 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.199 I've read the book that it's based on. I'm trying 1109 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:26.319 to remember that that guy's name. He's like the number one. 1110 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:27.520 He's like the ben Laden of. 1111 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.680 Arms trading, they called him in the last twenty years 1112 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.119 or so. I could go look it up. 1113 01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:35.079 But well, yeah, that's what I was wondering if if 1114 01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:39.279 that film was supposedly based off of a supposedory story 1115 01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:40.760 or maybe it maybe it. 1116 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:45.439 Well, actually the story it's based off of a book. 1117 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:52.359 That well, roughly based off of a book that did 1118 01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:56.520 get sanitized and Hollywood eyzed a bit. But the book 1119 01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:00.239 that that I'm talking about actually calls him out as 1120 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:01.920 a CIA guy. 1121 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:07.640 Mmkay, yeah, so so yeah. 1122 01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:10.239 And that's the And now, to what degree you know 1123 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:13.199 that guy didn't know he was working for the CIA. 1124 01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.920 I find that hard to believe because that's kind of 1125 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:19.079 the way the Nicholas Cage movie presents it, like he 1126 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.640 like he doesn't know who's really running things, and then 1127 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.119 you know, like at the end of his career he's like, oh, crap, 1128 01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:28.039 I've been working for the Kinagon the whole time. 1129 01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.159 Was that is that how he was able to rent 1130 01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:33.760 rent the nuke for his for his island party? 1131 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:44.479 Being in that film, Well, what John said also reminded me. 1132 01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.359 I forgot about this. We don't ever we don't talk 1133 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.880 much because we're adults. But uh, you know, video games 1134 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.000 have a lot of programming and predictive aspects to it too, 1135 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.399 and all that because you know, a lot of the 1136 01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:59.560 younger generation I don't really care about movies. They'd rather 1137 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:02.319 watch or play video games and you know all these 1138 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:08.159 It may be the biggest video game uh franchise ever. 1139 01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:09.840 Now I don't I don't really keep up with I 1140 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:13.800 don't know, but you know, the Black Ops series, they're 1141 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.119 constantly putting in these storylines that deal with global government 1142 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.960 and you know, false flag terror and all this kind 1143 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:23.439 of stuff. But the the technology that they put into 1144 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.439 every one of the Black Ops games, which is obviously 1145 01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:29.199 like a recruitment thing to try to get young people. 1146 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.279 Oh you know, if you. 1147 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.439 Join the military, you can use all this cool tech 1148 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:35.520 and you know, you can scale a building with this 1149 01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:38.159 you know, dark pages. 1150 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:39.600 But that's the thing. 1151 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.520 Yeah, the drones are all coordinated with the Yeah, the 1152 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:47.119 soldiers implants and all that kind of stuff. Point being 1153 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.479 John's right that even the video games show you that. 1154 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:51.920 I mean, the title of one of the series is 1155 01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:56.840 black ops. Modern warfare. Right, so modern warfare. 1156 01:12:56.439 --> 01:13:00.199 Is not is not fought like like it used to be, 1157 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:05.000 meaning it's fought with drones. Uh, you know all this 1158 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:09.000 kind of this kind of high tech stuff, darpest stuff. 1159 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.279 So the idea that you're going to have these you know, 1160 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.319 ground forces that fought in the you know, the old 1161 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.520 post renaissance style of warfare is ridiculous. 1162 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:20.000 Oh. 1163 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.960 We talked about too, how they've yeah, even in the 1164 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:26.319 Bond films, you know, this is and this goes back 1165 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:33.000 kind of ways. Yeah, this fetish fetishizing technology, gadgetry and 1166 01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.880 stuff like that. And then yeah, of course now you're 1167 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:39.560 seeing it with it within these games and all this 1168 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.880 stuff where it's like oh yes, oh you spot your 1169 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.640 enemy out with your little hover drone and then you 1170 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:49.960 uh yeah, you can you know, kill remotely and all 1171 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:53.840 this other stuff. Yes, it's just this really grotesque, uh 1172 01:13:55.159 --> 01:14:02.000 kind of hyper violent tech culture that's being created. And 1173 01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:07.319 like h yeah, now and then with the uh, with 1174 01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:13.159 the drones and all that too. It's interesting how it is, 1175 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.439 you know, how how closely it parallels video games, Like 1176 01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.920 you you're watching something on a screen and it's almost 1177 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:24.159 like so so even the visuals are sort of you know, 1178 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.079 I guess like they'll use different kind of like thermal 1179 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:29.520 imaging and stuff like that. So it's it's almost like 1180 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.640 you're not looking at anything real, right, and they're sitting 1181 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:36.079 in Nevada somewhere, and they're remote controlling these things and 1182 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:39.920 you know, shooting people up and dropping hellfire missiles or 1183 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.520 whatever they're doing out of these things. And it's like and. 1184 01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:45.079 You're gonna, like so in the future, you're gonna you know, 1185 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:49.920 walk up to a group of enemy combatants or whatever, 1186 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.439 and you've got like the terminator thing in your eye. 1187 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:56.479 You've got a like a Google uh Google Contacts, and 1188 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.760 you can see the you know, enemies are going to 1189 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:00.399 be identified, and it pulls them up. 1190 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:01.560 And then because you've. 1191 01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:03.880 Got an implant, you know, in your brain or whatever, 1192 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:10.359 or you can make the decision through retinal retinal movement, 1193 01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:12.760 right that the drones that are linked up to your 1194 01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:17.079 to your contact lenses or whatever can attack, you know, 1195 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:19.680 from the sky and you can switch from your your 1196 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:23.720 vision from the first person, you can switch up to 1197 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:25.399 the vanished point of. 1198 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.000 The of the drone. Right, all this kind of crazy stuff. 1199 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.359 Well, yeah, I've thought this too, that maybe they could 1200 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:35.279 have well, I guess this is totally at this point 1201 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:40.399 technologically possible that they can have some kid, like, you know, 1202 01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:45.199 literally in a basement thinking that they're playing Xbox and 1203 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.239 they're controlling a drone or what have you, but actually 1204 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:54.159 it's it's uplinked to a actual drone and some actual 1205 01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:57.079 battlefield somewhere, and then they have no clue that they're 1206 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:58.520 actually killing real people. 1207 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:02.239 You should write I find novels, Chris, because that is 1208 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:07.880 the plot of the award winning so I Fi novel Enders. 1209 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.880 Game Enders Game huh Yeah. 1210 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:12.960 And there's a movie too. And what they did was 1211 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:13.640 they got. 1212 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:17.399 This kid who is a spoiler alert, who's like the 1213 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:22.399 best video game strategy type guy, and they recruit him. 1214 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.079 And they have. 1215 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:30.359 This big war gaming simulation exercise which is like a 1216 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.560 tournament in the military that he's in the sort of 1217 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:36.520 futuristic military thing, and he thinks he's winning a tournament, 1218 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:40.000 but the dude is so good that he's actually linked 1219 01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:42.199 up to the actual battle at which he finds out 1220 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:42.680 at the end. 1221 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:44.319 Wow. 1222 01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:46.880 Yeah. So that came out in nineteen eighty five or 1223 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:48.640 the book, and then they made a movie off of 1224 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:49.800 it in twenty thirteen. 1225 01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:52.960 Yep, yeah, and that is the plot. 1226 01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:53.359 Yeah. 1227 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.880 Oh well yeah, well, I mean they have the controller 1228 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:01.920 that's on the on the PlayStation. 1229 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:03.399 I have. 1230 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:09.279 I have this footage save somewhere there, and they're going, 1231 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:12.399 they're talking, they're talking about they're in the battlefield and 1232 01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.800 they're interviewing like a soldier and he's talking about, you know, 1233 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:21.640 he's controlling this drone or it's some kind of a 1234 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:25.479 you know, like a Johnny five robot that killed the 1235 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.119 guy in Dallas or something like that, one of those things. 1236 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:32.159 And uh, it pans down and he has a freaking 1237 01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:37.119 PlayStation controller in his hand. It's like it is like verbatim, 1238 01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:40.520 the same controller like into his deal plugged into a 1239 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.319 thing controlling this drone or it looks just like it. 1240 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:45.159 I don't know if it's exact same controller, but. 1241 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:47.159 It well, I wouldn't be surprised because you know, all 1242 01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.159 the video game stuff comes out of the Pentagon. 1243 01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:51.479 Yeah, it all comes out of the Pentagon. 1244 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:52.119 And that's the thing. 1245 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:56.039 Like I've done a lot of research into that and 1246 01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:58.880 had planned to put it, put it into a documentary, 1247 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:04.039 but it just keeps on getting sidetracked. But anyway, Uh, 1248 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:09.960 they they are totally responsible for the whole existence of 1249 01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:15.840 computer generated imagery. That all came out of uh you know, 1250 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:21.279 university grants out of the Defense Department, and then it 1251 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:26.680 you know, evolved into the UH stuff that later the 1252 01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:31.479 next computer system that was like used uh extensively in 1253 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:36.039 processing of satellite supposed satellite data imagery and all that 1254 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:39.399 stuff that was that that was a big initial contract 1255 01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:47.720 with that eventually got uh transmorgified into uh industrial light 1256 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:53.520 magic and uh that and that was the start of 1257 01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:56.680 digital editing of film and all that stuff. 1258 01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.600 And then Disney starts doing it, which I'm sure is 1259 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:00.239 tied in. 1260 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:01.039 To all the same stuff. 1261 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:06.159 Yeah, and then because Pixar and all that comes out. 1262 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:10.960 Well remember even before that, you had tron Tron back right, 1263 01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:15.119 and that was something and everybody was blown away, you 1264 01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:17.239 know because that was like the matrix before the matrix, 1265 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.720 you know, whoa all this computer stuff? And then they 1266 01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:26.399 did I remember watching the DVD commentary on the eighties 1267 01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.359 movie it's like nineteen eighty four or five called Last Starfighter, 1268 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:34.119 you know, where the guy plays the video game, which 1269 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.079 I need to do an analysis of that because that's 1270 01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:38.319 exactly the whole point of that movie is what we're 1271 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.680 talking about. He plays this video game. If you remember, 1272 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.520 he's just this poor kid in a trailer park and 1273 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:48.239 he's so good at the video game that that these 1274 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:52.079 beings come and they recruit him to fight in this 1275 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:57.159 intergalactic you know, battle with these evil aliens, right, in 1276 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:01.520 other words, the Pentagon, who are the quote beings? 1277 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:06.239 Right, We'll recruit people based on video games, and so 1278 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:07.359 that's whole plot of that movie. 1279 01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:09.960 But if you watch the DVD commentary, that movie was 1280 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.199 famous because it was one of the first movies that 1281 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:19.920 used entire scenes that were completely CGI. Tron still had actors, 1282 01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:25.479 you know, interfacing with a kind of half computer generated. 1283 01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:25.880 Imagery and all that. 1284 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:31.279 But in The Last Starfighter there's entire scenes, pretty extensive 1285 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:32.840 scenes too, that are completely CGI. 1286 01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:35.239 That's one of the first or the first. 1287 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.960 It's not very good graphics now, obviously, but at the 1288 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.640 time it was a pretty big deal. And then of 1289 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.720 course you made the great point, and I brought this 1290 01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:47.119 up on boiler Room several times because the guy, the 1291 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:49.960 host of boiler Room has sure he's a big tech 1292 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:51.960 guy and he's done a lot of work with the 1293 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:54.920 graphic design type stuff, and so he was very interested 1294 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:58.000 to hear about Paul Devavac, which is you brought him 1295 01:20:58.000 --> 01:20:59.960 to my attention and you just look at Paul devavak 1296 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:03.760 career and you know, you can see him going straight 1297 01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:06.479 from university to matrix to. 1298 01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:10.520 You know, government type work. 1299 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:17.880 Yeah, there's a relatively recently a new project that was 1300 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:21.920 set up to see what happens is you have the 1301 01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:25.600 military development technology. The technology of course gets adopted and 1302 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.800 assimulated into the private sector. The private sector takes it, 1303 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:33.319 develops it for different applications, mainly like you know, films, 1304 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:38.000 video games, entertainment, you know type type consumables. 1305 01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:38.479 And then it. 1306 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.159 Then then the military takes it and reabsorbs that and 1307 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.479 uses it for like you got the example of like 1308 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:49.359 the Doom three D first person shooter was one of 1309 01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:55.119 the very first ones of those, and then the Marines 1310 01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:59.560 take it and use it and do their own version 1311 01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:02.119 of it and use it for training, and then it 1312 01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:05.079 kind of goes, uh, you know, back and forth in between. 1313 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:08.840 But yeah, it's it's it is all all of that. 1314 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.079 All of our modern everything we know today is that 1315 01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:17.880 shapes modern entertainment came right out of these military projects. 1316 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:20.640 And that's what Quigley said A long time ago was 1317 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:25.560 that you know, we know this now, but quickly pointed 1318 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.439 out that the a lot so many of these tech 1319 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:34.199 developments that we we think come out of competition and 1320 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.560 you know, free market enterprise and all this kind of 1321 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:43.640 stuff actually comes out of military industrial complex weapons research. 1322 01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:48.359 Yeah. Yeah, that's how the uh, well you'll see those 1323 01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:52.520 tournament games where they're all sitting at their individual computers 1324 01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:54.239 and they'll be in a big you know, conference hall 1325 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:58.399 or something like that having these tournaments. Well that's that's uh, 1326 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:03.000 the initial apps of that technology was for war game simulators, 1327 01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:05.960 and that's what you're looking at when you're looking at that, 1328 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:11.880 you're just looking at an adaptation of wargame simulators. And uh, 1329 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:16.560 you think about it, those multi multi network computers of 1330 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:18.880 course that came you just got to talking about the 1331 01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:20.760 Internet and how that came out of the military course. 1332 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:26.720 But then yeah, also the multiplayer you know, virtual environments 1333 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:29.239 and stuff that you know, you have multiple multiplayers and 1334 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:33.079 then you know you you have your avatar inside of 1335 01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:39.399 the virtual environment, and that all is uh yeah, just 1336 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:44.199 a just a different uh military simulator, which war gaming 1337 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:46.640 goes back even you know, prior to that, with you know, 1338 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:49.560 they initially had board games and stuff like that, and 1339 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:52.039 then it got later developed into you know, of course 1340 01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:55.399 different types of video games, and then you know, computer 1341 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:57.920 assisted and then it you know, of course, then virtual 1342 01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:01.800 simulate environments. But there's a our I have two that 1343 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:08.960 where I think it's from nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine, 1344 01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:15.960 and it says the military is interested in creating the 1345 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:20.760 hollow deck, you know the Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, 1346 01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:24.079 so they are that is one of their goal off. 1347 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.640 I think they're probably well along to achieving that, if 1348 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.359 they haven't already achieved it. But like the you know, 1349 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.520 the hollow Deck, it's in the Star Trek films where 1350 01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:35.640 they go into like a well, the same concept that's 1351 01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:39.000 represented in the Matrix, right, it's the the Matrix to 1352 01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.560 the Matrix films kind of takes it onto a different 1353 01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:45.000 tangent where like people are actually born into it. But 1354 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.279 the concept was already there with Star Trek and then 1355 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:53.199 but you know, the idea that the military, oh got 1356 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:56.039 the idea after the fact and then in the late nineties. 1357 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:59.159 That's that's pretty ridiculous when you look at the actual 1358 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:01.960 history where all this stuff came from. But of yeah, 1359 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:03.920 that's one of the persons they wanted to recruit with 1360 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:08.039 Paul Devibek and UH. He worked on the Matrix films. 1361 01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:13.000 He's the one that's attributed to all the UH, all 1362 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:19.000 the groundbreaking special effects with the the the neo getting 1363 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.560 dodging bullets, you know, and dodging and then he's got 1364 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:26.880 the three hundred sixty degree fly around which everything you 1365 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:29.640 see in the background is completely one hundred percent c 1366 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:34.079 G I and UH. And then people will come back 1367 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:36.199 at me and saying, you know, if you're proposing that 1368 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:38.119 a lot of the footage on nine to eleven was fake, 1369 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:41.239 which I believe that, you know, you're largely looking at 1370 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:49.399 fabricated UH. And this was the this was the debut 1371 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:56.520 of a full blown psychological operation that incorporates his technology. 1372 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:58.399 And if you look at the timing of it all 1373 01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:00.960 it all fits. And then there's all so reference to 1374 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:04.960 this very thing in films that have come after the fact, 1375 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:07.640 like the film The Congress where they where they're in 1376 01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:11.000 You've seen that film, right, I think said that before, 1377 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:16.520 where it's about taking and digitizing actors and saving the 1378 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:18.600 digit file and then they could they can act in 1379 01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:21.279 whatever scenario or whatever movie you want. But there's a 1380 01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:23.880 nine to eleven reference in that scene where she's getting 1381 01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:27.279 scanned in, and I said, wow, that's interesting because that's, 1382 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.720 you know, right in line with all this stuff I'm 1383 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:30.239 digging up. 1384 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.159 And well, don't forget too. 1385 01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:34.800 That might be the reason why, or a kind of 1386 01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:39.479 secret reason reference why the matrix has the reference to 1387 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:41.800 nine to eleven. If you remember, you know, what's one 1388 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:45.920 of the famous predictive programming things where Neo's birth date. 1389 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:46.640 On his passport. 1390 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:50.880 That's a good point. It's nine to eleven exactly that way. 1391 01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:53.800 But yeah, and then what is nine to eleven? 1392 01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:57.279 Well, it could be this manifestation of this psychological warfare 1393 01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:00.239 that implements like you're saying, the CGI. 1394 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:06.319 What interesting real matrix? That would be the Yeah. 1395 01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:09.079 Also, the first time, I think first time I came 1396 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:13.159 on Afternoon Commune, we spoke about the first season at 1397 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:17.720 that time of Black Mirror, and Black Mirror season three 1398 01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:22.039 is just now complete, I think, with a few more 1399 01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:25.680 episodes than most of those seasons, And of course every 1400 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.399 episode of Black Mirror deals with dystopic technology, and this 1401 01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:33.479 season is everything that we've been talking about. So the 1402 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:39.079 season primarily deals with augmented reality and so if you 1403 01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:40.720 remember that, it makes me think of that video that 1404 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.560 you put up a couple of months ago about the 1405 01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:47.119 tech guy talking about how there'll be like these points 1406 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:49.800 in the future and everybody playing these little games about 1407 01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:52.359 oh I got more points because I brushed my teeth 1408 01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:56.760 this morning, and yeah, gamification of yes. So the very 1409 01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:01.840 first episode of Black Mirror this season is a near 1410 01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:05.199 future dystopia where everybody lives in these kind of ecological 1411 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:12.439 friendly suburban I don't know how to describe it. It's very, very, 1412 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.960 very weird, kind of Tim Burton esque future where, if 1413 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.199 you remember Edward Scissorhands, like everything, everybody lives in these 1414 01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:23.800 cookie cutter suburbs, and the whole society, this is what's 1415 01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:29.000 crazy about it is a hierarchy based on how everybody's 1416 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:33.479 rated everything and how you've been rated, So your points, 1417 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:37.119 on your likes on Facebook or your whole your whole 1418 01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:41.279 Internet basically is integrated into when people walk up and 1419 01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:44.239 they see you, then you pop up on their phone 1420 01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:48.640 or in their Google goggles or their contacts and they 1421 01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:51.640 see you and they rate you. So the whole system 1422 01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:54.720 is based on like the upper class or the people 1423 01:28:54.800 --> 01:29:01.119 that have five stars. So it was just very very dystopic. 1424 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.680 But that episode was really good. And then there's another episode. 1425 01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.159 The next two or three are actually just purely based 1426 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:13.880 on augmented reality. And then there's another warfare episode that is. 1427 01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:16.560 Exactly what we're talking about. Get this, where. 1428 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:22.399 In the future the soldiers have a chip that controls, 1429 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:25.840 of course, how they perceive reality under the guise of 1430 01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:27.720 kind of what I was talking about earlier with this, 1431 01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.720 the idea of oh, you're like the Terminator soldier, and 1432 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.800 you've got this screen that comes up into. 1433 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.800 Your visual area cortex or whatever. 1434 01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:42.840 And you can, you know, you can profile people and 1435 01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:44.479 all this kind of stuff and get their history and 1436 01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:45.520 all this blah blah blah. 1437 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:48.000 Well, what the plot. 1438 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:50.159 Is that this I'm not going to spoil everything, but 1439 01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:54.960 it's interesting because the plot is that the soldiers are 1440 01:29:55.000 --> 01:30:01.319 programmed to see the enemies as these inhuman aberration but 1441 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:05.960 the reality is that the people that they're attacking are humans, 1442 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:11.479 but they're just perceived to be animals. And I thought 1443 01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:13.720 that was interesting on two levels because on one level, 1444 01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:16.680 obviously military people are programmed, you know, to view their 1445 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:22.439 enemies as in human they're dehumanized, and then on another level, 1446 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:24.520 like you could take it literally, though maybe in the 1447 01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.199 future they really will, you know, put a chip in 1448 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:29.680 somebody's brain to where the perception that you. 1449 01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:33.159 Get is augmented reality, that you actually see this being 1450 01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:38.239 as like a you know, in human Well, yeah. 1451 01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:41.920 I mean that is well, that's sort of yeah, right, 1452 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.119 that's already taking place on one level, and that just 1453 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:50.880 takes it to another another integration of the same kind 1454 01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:55.680 of concept where yeah, instead of just propaganda methods, it's 1455 01:30:55.800 --> 01:31:04.159 even you know, technology, I guess feasible. 1456 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:04.079 To do that. 1457 01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:06.520 Yeah, I mean you see this game. 1458 01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:09.640 The well, that's what the pulp, that's the Pokemon go 1459 01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:13.920 right moving you everybody in the direction of I guess 1460 01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:17.880 before total matrix, you need the the stage of augmented 1461 01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.439 reality where you're you've got contacts or something that you know, 1462 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:25.600 allows you to kind of have an a synthetic overlay 1463 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:27.680 right of your your visual field. 1464 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:29.840 Yeah. 1465 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:33.079 And how all of this stuff is going to work 1466 01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:36.560 itself out into the real world, I guess is anybody's guess. 1467 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:40.399 But yeah, I think the matrix probably well, I do 1468 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:44.960 believe that it already exists. I mean we like one 1469 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.239 thing that I ran across and looking into this stuff 1470 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:52.159 is like, well, so people probably they got they get 1471 01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:55.079 they get all their you know, their ideas about what 1472 01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:58.479 CGI is from watching films, right, I mean, and and 1473 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.840 a lot of it, you know, to this day is 1474 01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.920 you know, you can look at something and especially like 1475 01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:08.399 animals and stuff, and you say, oh, that's that's a 1476 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:12.800 CGI rendering. Uh you know, maybe pretty good, but it's 1477 01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:15.560 fairly convincing, but it's you know, still CGI. 1478 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:18.640 Well we're being given older versions of it. 1479 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:23.159 Oh yeah, I even I've even said this before. I 1480 01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.279 think a lot of this stuff, even on like Animal 1481 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:29.840 Planet and stuff, is CGI rendered, uh, animals and stuff. 1482 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.039 Because you look at some of it and I said, man, 1483 01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:35.439 that is just too good, Like how how how they 1484 01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:37.520 they captured? You know, and then you get I'm thinking 1485 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:40.960 it's like, well, I mean this can be synthetically rendered 1486 01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:44.520 at this point because now the technology I got stuff 1487 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:49.039 from like the seventies, from early you know, defense department 1488 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:55.239 stuff where they're demonstrating computer generated imagery and it it 1489 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:57.359 exceeds the stuff that came out in the nineties, the 1490 01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:03.319 early nineties with the initial sort of experimental stuff out 1491 01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:05.760 of Pixar. And it's like, you know, as far as 1492 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:09.479 rendering quality, and it's like, well, they didn't even have Well. See, 1493 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:13.000 here's another important aspect to keep in mind is the 1494 01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:16.399 processing power that's available. And if you're talking about an 1495 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:20.600 organization that has virtually unlimited budgets like the military does, 1496 01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:23.960 of course they're going to have greater processing power. But see, 1497 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:27.920 the principle is already there. You know, ray tracing and 1498 01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:31.359 stuff like that, where you can you know, simulate photo 1499 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:37.000 realistic environments. The limitation on it is the processing power. 1500 01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:41.079 And according to the stuff I read, that you need 1501 01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:46.560 a petaflop, which is like, you know, standard desktop computers 1502 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:52.079 are operating on gigahertz. Petaflop is what a thousand gigahertz 1503 01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:55.399 or something on that order, maybe even more. I'm not 1504 01:33:55.479 --> 01:34:00.399 exactly sure, but even official sources they've exceeded that a 1505 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:04.680 long time ago. And another interesting thing is that if 1506 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:09.960 you look at these big supercomputers that the military has 1507 01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:15.399 or the government has, uh and the chips that they use, 1508 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:21.159 because there's these big arrays, you know, there's these interlinked 1509 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:29.319 network computers that share processing cycles, and there'll be hundreds 1510 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:33.239 and hundreds of these things and in racks, you know, 1511 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:39.239 rack mounted systems, and guess what the actual chip set 1512 01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:44.359 that they use in these things, is the exact they 1513 01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:51.920 use the chip that's in the PlayStation PlayStation. Yeah, and 1514 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:55.399 they say that, oh well, you know, because you know, 1515 01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:57.720 the question naturally comes up is like what are you 1516 01:34:57.760 --> 01:35:01.840 doing with all of this process and power? It's like, oh, 1517 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:04.439 we will we use it to keep track of the 1518 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:11.800 nuke uh inventory. It's like, yeah, yeah, that's really interesting, 1519 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:14.079 keep track of the nuke inventory. You need that much 1520 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:17.279 processing power to keep track of the nuke inventory? You know. 1521 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:19.399 It's like, uh, I don't, I don't. 1522 01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:22.800 Couldn't he couldn't, couldn't quick books keep track. 1523 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:28.000 Like an Xcel spreadsheet. It's like they need they need, 1524 01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:33.880 uh the road Runner super pedophalop computer to do all this. 1525 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:37.000 It's like, yeah, I don't think so, but that's the 1526 01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:40.079 official story on it. But yeah, well it's the damn 1527 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:43.680 matrix is in there. I think. Yeah, I mean you 1528 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:47.800 can take uh, well, you you've seen the video games. 1529 01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:52.560 They're about there. As far as photo realism, it's just 1530 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:56.880 like I said, the limits are the processing power to 1531 01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:02.359 render things fully you know, photo realistic, and uh I 1532 01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:05.079 think they've had it, you know, well they had it. Well, 1533 01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:08.079 you I think you saw the results on nine to eleven. 1534 01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:12.119 I mean, that's now throwing that out there. You know 1535 01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:16.479 why why I think that is so is because you 1536 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:20.960 talk about as a knowing the nature of the military 1537 01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:24.560 what it really is, and the concept of perception management, 1538 01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:27.000 and like, you know, you gave that hissed Kissinger quote, 1539 01:36:27.439 --> 01:36:30.199 that's not what what's really real that matters is what's 1540 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:32.880 perceived is real. It's like, of course they would that 1541 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:35.800 would that would be the like an ultimate. 1542 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:37.760 Ultimate Yeah, exactly, the ultimate weapon. 1543 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:42.720 And you can make any scenario that you want anywhere 1544 01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.039 in the world that you want because you have the 1545 01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:48.560 world in a simulated. 1546 01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:52.920 Yes, and who's and who's going to go investigate to 1547 01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:56.560 see if what you're saying is fake? And then if 1548 01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:00.479 even if they do, nobody's gonna believe it because they'll 1549 01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:03.000 have forgotten two weeks later. 1550 01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:09.720 Right, and people are ignorant about what actually exists and 1551 01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:12.760 knowledge the power to keep it, keep it under wraps 1552 01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:19.800 and gives some just ridiculous story about why they need 1553 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.319 all that process or exactly what they're doing with it. 1554 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:25.560 Now I can I understand too. That is it's also 1555 01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:30.119 used for you know, modeling, you know, complex systems, and 1556 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:32.960 stuff like that, which they've rented out to do that 1557 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.159 sort of thing to you know, scientific institutions and all that, 1558 01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:41.439 and I understand that, but it yeah, it's I think 1559 01:37:41.479 --> 01:37:44.720 it's really telling that it's the uh, it's basically a 1560 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:46.159 giant PlayStation four. 1561 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:49.920 There you go, that's the best way to put it. Well, 1562 01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:55.680 I didn't, yeah, exactly. And then you run simulations to 1563 01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:59.159 see what the most likely outcomes of different actions would be. 1564 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:02.520 No, I think that too. I think that's an element 1565 01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:06.359 of this. Well, it's been referred to as sentient world 1566 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:13.520 simulation and that there's some public stuff about that. And 1567 01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:18.520 now you'll hear that they can predict with the over 1568 01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:21.800 ninety percent accuracy certain outcomes of certain things. I don't 1569 01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:22.600 know if that's true. 1570 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:25.239 Who knows that that's just propaganda right right? 1571 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.560 Could be just propaganda. And it kind of is reminiscent 1572 01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:36.680 of the nukes, Yeah, nukes or you know what, you know, 1573 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:42.640 gauging people's reactions. I think maybe so that they could 1574 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:45.079 get some accurate modeling on that. I don't know. But 1575 01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:49.439 then also the concept of pre crime, so they're even 1576 01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:54.279 saying that, oh, we can predict when a robbery will 1577 01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:56.439 take place in a city or something like that. It's like, 1578 01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:00.199 I don't know about that, but that's what they're saying. 1579 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:01.800 I mean, they're saying all this stuff. They're making all 1580 01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:05.600 these claims surrounding this, uh these systems, and. 1581 01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:08.840 Well, I don't think they're really actually able to predict 1582 01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:10.560 where the crime is going to happen. I think that 1583 01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:14.840 they're saying that so that they can sell the implementation 1584 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:21.279 of the next level of the surveillance simulation grid. 1585 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:27.640 Yeah, and if you can create the belief in that, right, 1586 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:30.319 then that's yeah, that's really remnant, remini is it of 1587 01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:36.000 I'm already report or or even like the Stazzy and 1588 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:37.800 the Soviet Union kind of stuff, they would do like 1589 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.239 come and snatch you, and it's like, oh, you're a 1590 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:44.479 thought criminal or something exactly, or you know, you got 1591 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:47.640 flagged in our pre crime system. You're about to commit 1592 01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:51.079 a rhyme. But it's like I didn't even know that 1593 01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:55.239 I was about to, uh take this machete and drop 1594 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.199 down some weeds in my freaking yard. I don't know. 1595 01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:00.800 It's like, yeah, whatever, you know, I don't No, that's 1596 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:02.760 maybe that might be a little far fetched, but. 1597 01:40:03.239 --> 01:40:06.479 Well no, actually I've said it many times that that's 1598 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:10.960 what she says it in her lectures the IBM CEO, 1599 01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:15.199 she says that they're going to implement. Now, I mean, 1600 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.720 she may just be maybe may just be a selling 1601 01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:21.840 point for what she's trying to push, but she literally 1602 01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:24.600 says it's pre crime like Minority Report in her lectures 1603 01:40:24.640 --> 01:40:26.239 when she talks about the smart cities. 1604 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:31.560 Oh well, they'll they'll be pre crime programs implemented, that's 1605 01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:36.239 what you say. Literally, Yeah, yeah, well I yeah, well 1606 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:38.960 that I guess I changed my mind just now on 1607 01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:46.359 that because I've certainly seen enough stuff out there where 1608 01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:51.159 there are creating where they're where they're creating the perception 1609 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:53.680 in people's minds. I mean, you see, well, it was 1610 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:57.159 one one film I watched, which I try to I 1611 01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:59.840 try to look at anything that's supposed to be you know, 1612 01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:04.319 dystopian or something like that, future science fiction and stuff 1613 01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:08.760 like that. I kind of like science fiction. But yeah, 1614 01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:12.039 you see a lot of stuff in these films and uh, well. 1615 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:17.600 No, I'm sorry, well the uh. 1616 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:21.920 I was trying to think of the name of it, 1617 01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:24.880 the dang oh judge dread. 1618 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:28.399 Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah. In fact, I was 1619 01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:29.359 thinking about that. 1620 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:35.359 The other day because the topic of the the megacities 1621 01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:37.199 and the smart cities came up, and I was thinking, well, 1622 01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:38.439 show that's actually. 1623 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:42.680 That's a great symbolic. 1624 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:45.119 Presentation, because you've got everybody living in this giant high rise, 1625 01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:49.720 you know, and there's like eight of them, and you know, 1626 01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:51.640 under the guise of the fact that you know, the 1627 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:55.079 population is too too huge in this megacity, so we 1628 01:41:55.159 --> 01:41:57.680 got to build upward because we can't build you know, outward. 1629 01:41:58.479 --> 01:41:58.880 Uh. 1630 01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:02.920 And then everybody's under this total police state surveillance exactly. 1631 01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:09.760 And then like one of the characters in there is psychic, 1632 01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:12.800 so she can see the future. 1633 01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:15.920 Oh yeah, she works for the cops. 1634 01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.600 Yeah right, yeah, she works for the cops. And then 1635 01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:21.920 so so she can see the future. So that's there's 1636 01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:29.680 another example of of getting across the concept that the well, yeah, 1637 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:32.039 the cops can see in the police and the authorities 1638 01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:36.319 can see into the future now and all that, which 1639 01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:38.920 is of course the theme of Minority Report and these 1640 01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:42.800 other I know, there's other examples. I can't think of 1641 01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:43.560 him right now. 1642 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:44.199 But well, the. 1643 01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:50.119 If you listen to the CEE the IBM CEO's talk, 1644 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:52.720 she gives these two or three of their's on the 1645 01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:56.640 IBM YouTube channel. She gives these talks in Singapore and 1646 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.960 Rio and she says, you know, in the next few years, 1647 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:06.479 we plan to convert Singapore and Rio into operating smart cities. 1648 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:11.000 And so who is her name. Her name is Jenny Romedy. 1649 01:43:11.079 --> 01:43:14.640 She's the CEO of IBM, and she's given these talks 1650 01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:17.760 and she's saying, you're basically selling it to all these 1651 01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:21.479 corporate tech head people and the audience of these of 1652 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:25.199 these two cities, and she's saying, Oh, it's gonna be 1653 01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:28.880 so great because you know what we I'm not joking, 1654 01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:30.760 this is what she's I'm not saying that it really 1655 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:32.600 they really can really do it. I'm just saying this 1656 01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:35.760 is her selling point is she says, we're going to 1657 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:39.800 have everybody in the cities medical records uploaded to the 1658 01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:42.880 central database of the the AI system that's going to 1659 01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:47.680 run the city. All the infrastructure of the city will 1660 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:50.279 be tied in, It'll be r F I D, it'll 1661 01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:54.039 all be you know, the net everywhere, Internet everywhere, obviously, 1662 01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:58.960 and she says anywhere that you go and that what 1663 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:02.520 you do, you're going to be perfectly safe because we 1664 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:07.760 will have the ability through the predictive algorithms to implement 1665 01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:12.800 pre crime, and she literally says that, Now, obviously that's 1666 01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:15.720 probably propaganda, and I don't think that they, like you said, 1667 01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.399 can they really predict the future with ninety percent accuracy? 1668 01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:24.319 Who knows, But that is her selling point for implementing. 1669 01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:27.039 The RIO and Singapore smart Cities. 1670 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:32.880 Well, Jay, doesn't that make you feel safe and secure 1671 01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:34.000 and war them all over? 1672 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:35.079 Well? 1673 01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:36.840 I know it's true because I had a friend who 1674 01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:40.199 worked at low level at IBM and his job, his 1675 01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:42.520 whole job, this is like four. 1676 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:44.079 Or five years ago, before he moved on to a 1677 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:44.520 new job. 1678 01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:48.319 His whole job was to just walk in, go into 1679 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:53.079 this giant room full of scanners, and his section was 1680 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:59.479 tasked with scanning every soldier military records, excuse me, that 1681 01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:02.279 medical rec So the only reason he had to have 1682 01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:06.439 a security clearance was just because he was scanning soldier stuff. 1683 01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:08.720 But all he did all day was sit there and 1684 01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:11.840 take this big chunk stack, stick it in this machine 1685 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:16.000 and scanned it for Xerox slash IBM. 1686 01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:21.600 So they're So what you're saying is that they're aggregating 1687 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:24.319 everybody's records as we speak right now. 1688 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.720 I believe that absolutely, and that's what Google. Google did 1689 01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:30.520 the same thing with you know, Google books. Remember how 1690 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:32.760 they were It was in the news, you. 1691 01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:34.359 Know A Jones Jones used to talk about it five 1692 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:35.039 or six years ago. 1693 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:38.399 Folks, Google's putting every book. They're taking every book. Folks, 1694 01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:42.800 They're gonna take every book. Now, that's true. That's true 1695 01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:46.239 in a sense. They have digitized, not every book. I 1696 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.560 don't know how you could. That would take forever. But 1697 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:50.680 but I can tell you for a fact that you 1698 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:54.000 know they've been digitizing everybody's medical records. 1699 01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:59.800 Yeah, well that yeah, yeah, I imagine that's true. And 1700 01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:04.399 as the books, yeah, the but well, yeah, you can 1701 01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:08.000 go in and and which is actually pretty cool on 1702 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:10.319 one level though, I mean the Google Books because you 1703 01:46:10.319 --> 01:46:13.800 can search within copies of books, which is pretty pretty 1704 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:17.960 freaking fantastic. I mean, I think it's a great application 1705 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:20.119 of technology. I mean, don't get me wrong. But yeah, 1706 01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.359 on the other hand, it's like, wow, this is like 1707 01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:25.479 one company doing all the sea. Now Google's the military, 1708 01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:30.319 Google's the military industrial complex. I'm pins to that. 1709 01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:31.680 Uh. 1710 01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:34.159 Somebody sent me something a long time ago, and it 1711 01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:36.000 was like, it's just one of those things I haven't 1712 01:46:37.079 --> 01:46:39.319 really gone and talked about or looked at. But yeah, 1713 01:46:39.359 --> 01:46:43.239 the location of Google and where they were, where there were, 1714 01:46:43.239 --> 01:46:45.960 their position in relation to like defense contract and all 1715 01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:50.720 that stuff. It's like, yeah, obviously just another another extension 1716 01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:58.319 of uh uh the complex. But yeah, it's not to 1717 01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:02.319 go not to change subjects, but this is something I 1718 01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:05.319 wanted to talk about, Like when we and John were 1719 01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:09.800 talking about the debates and and uh, like we we 1720 01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:12.319 just had like an hour there, which is not there 1721 01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:15.079 long enough time to kind of go go extensively into 1722 01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:18.399 a lot of stuff. But then I wanted to go 1723 01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:21.920 into pointing out that, Okay, corporations and government are the same, 1724 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.039 Like that's that's another thing I think that needs to 1725 01:47:25.079 --> 01:47:27.399 be pointed out as like Okay, so you have Hillary 1726 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:31.000 as a representative of government and then you have Trump 1727 01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:34.159 representative corporations. But they're the same. I mean, you got 1728 01:47:34.159 --> 01:47:36.600 the revolving door between you see it all the time. 1729 01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:40.800 Or you'll have someone that's prominent in corporations go into 1730 01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:43.039 government and back and vice versa, back and forth. Or 1731 01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:46.319 the attorney of Mont Santo go thehead of the Department 1732 01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:54.439 of Agriculture, right or stuff like that, and it it 1733 01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:58.079 I don't think people are that aware of that. Fact 1734 01:47:58.279 --> 01:48:01.840 is that, you know, you're basically essentially referring to the 1735 01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:05.960 same entity when you're talking about big government and big 1736 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:10.600 business because they're they're so integrated and locked at the hip. 1737 01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:14.640 It's and and it's obvious on so many levels. But yeah, 1738 01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:18.720 the idea that that that Google would be just you know, 1739 01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:23.600 a part of the uh you know, the whole military 1740 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.479 industrial complex and everything that that is not far fetched 1741 01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:31.960 at all, and that has far more explanatory power as 1742 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.800 far as how they rose to prominence so quickly. 1743 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:37.439 I think, Yeah, I think that's obvious. 1744 01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:40.199 I mean, we know of the backstory with in q 1745 01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:44.199 Tel and Facebook and in q Tel put money into Google. 1746 01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:46.920 That that was in books. 1747 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:48.720 By CIA people back in two thousand and five. 1748 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:50.039 I've got the book. 1749 01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:56.079 So there's no doubt that I think the entire all 1750 01:48:56.119 --> 01:49:00.239 of that whole complex in Silicon Valley, you know, it's 1751 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:03.479 part of the same entity. And there's this there is 1752 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.600 at a level, you know, this idea of competition. You know, 1753 01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:11.000 Google is going to compete with Facebook maybe at some level, 1754 01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:12.439 but not at the top, No. 1755 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:16.239 Way compete with Facebook. 1756 01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:20.439 Yeah, you'll see these articles come out every now and then, like, oh, 1757 01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:25.000 Facebook wants to compete with Google over uploading videos, and 1758 01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:30.159 so Facebook's going to limit what can be done with 1759 01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:34.680 links to YouTube because Facebook wants people uploading directly to Facebook. Now, 1760 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:38.000 I mean, I don't believe there's a real competition between 1761 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:41.359 Facebook and Google for that. And you remember when Google 1762 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:45.359 came out with their social networking thing, Google Plus, and 1763 01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:48.319 that was like, oh, Google Plus couldn't compete with Facebook 1764 01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:49.039 and all this stuff. 1765 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:54.399 Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, they want to create the 1766 01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:59.880 perception that there's real competition and yeah, we've talked about 1767 01:49:59.920 --> 01:50:04.279 that a lot before, where there is no real competition 1768 01:50:04.520 --> 01:50:08.720 that at a certain level. There's real competition on on 1769 01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:14.359 the lower level of economy for sure. But then well, 1770 01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:17.840 like we're talking on Skype right now, wasn't just Skype 1771 01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:22.000 developed by some Swedish company or something and then Microsoft 1772 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:27.560 bought it out exactly, So, which is makes total sense 1773 01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:34.159 that Okay, they want to you know, acquire properties instead 1774 01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:37.359 of like going through all the expenditure of R and 1775 01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:40.319 D are doing something in development and then maybe it 1776 01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:43.119 might be a big fail or whatever. Just just acquires 1777 01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:44.359 something that's already successful. 1778 01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:50.199 Yeah, at the mid level, let the competitive market happen. 1779 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:57.279 That's a lot better than exactly trying to manufacture progress. 1780 01:50:57.439 --> 01:51:01.840 Why not let it happen and then just acquire whoever's 1781 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:02.840 thing works the best. 1782 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:05.079 Oh do you see that article I put on Hope, 1783 01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:09.640 so's call dot com the AT and T is gonna 1784 01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:12.000 acquire Time Warner I did. 1785 01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:12.319 Yeah. 1786 01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:17.039 In fact, I've seen that in some other news postings. 1787 01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:20.359 So yeah, just more consolidation. 1788 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:23.880 Totally, which that is tremendous, isn't. I mean that is 1789 01:51:23.960 --> 01:51:27.199 just over the time AT and T. Think about how 1790 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:30.039 big AT T is. It's like I got and then 1791 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:35.119 Time Warner, I mean, Time Warner is not too long ago. 1792 01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:40.640 And then that's why it struck me, was that, Yeah, 1793 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:43.520 didn't we just go through a bunch of acquisitions that 1794 01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:46.000 Time Warner had just got to finish doing, like. 1795 01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:50.119 Exactly too long ago. Yeah, well, Time and then Time 1796 01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:51.680 Warner brothers. 1797 01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:56.159 Yeah yeah, and then they've yeah, and then a whole 1798 01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:59.880 bunch of other things, right yeah, and then now a 1799 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:04.199 T and Time Warner are going to be one. Well yeah, 1800 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:04.960 and then it goes. 1801 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:08.960 AT and T is the world's biggest Internet provider. I 1802 01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:12.640 know because yeah, I worked at AT and T for 1803 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:17.199 a year or so in a T and T in 1804 01:52:17.279 --> 01:52:20.159 sales yeah, just selling iPhones. 1805 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.760 But I think uh, I think I mentioned it a 1806 01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:25.720 couple of times on like the early chats we had, 1807 01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:28.720 like we would take we had to take a bunch 1808 01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:32.239 of courses, and we went to the giant Regional Data Center, 1809 01:52:32.279 --> 01:52:34.439 which they even told us when we went there, Uh 1810 01:52:34.560 --> 01:52:39.359 in Nashville did it? It stores all the Internet traffic 1811 01:52:39.399 --> 01:52:41.920 for this whole region, which was like three or four states. 1812 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:45.840 And you go to this facility which was a former 1813 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:49.439 government facility by the way, and uh, the you can't 1814 01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:51.039 go to the lower levels, so you could have like 1815 01:52:51.039 --> 01:52:52.640 a security clearance to go down there. 1816 01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:54.800 And then the lower levels are just all these servers 1817 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:56.880 that are that's storing all the all the data. 1818 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:00.359 So they told us that's what they were Yeah, this 1819 01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:03.880 is all the Internet data and traffic for this whole region. 1820 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:05.399 Wow. 1821 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:08.960 And so by the way that we I was taking 1822 01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:11.880 that class at the time of the snowed and stuff 1823 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:15.079 first coming out. So I'm sitting here saying, you know, 1824 01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:18.319 Snowed's not going to change anything, and people were arguing 1825 01:53:18.359 --> 01:53:19.760 with me at the time. They were like, oh, yeah, 1826 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:21.640 this is this is gonna change the whole system. I 1827 01:53:21.680 --> 01:53:24.239 was like, dude, I just went to the fucking data 1828 01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:27.720 center in Nashville and stood on top of the entire 1829 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:29.039 region's traffic. 1830 01:53:29.079 --> 01:53:31.079 And I was like, that ain't going to be shut down. 1831 01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:33.199 It's private. It's owned by AT and T. 1832 01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:36.399 So even if the NSA was shut down, which wouldn't 1833 01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:40.079 happen anyway, the private NSA, which is AT and T, 1834 01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:41.319 is still everywhere. 1835 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:41.960 Yeah. 1836 01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:44.199 I like how they And here's the thing too, And 1837 01:53:44.199 --> 01:53:47.439 it's all you know, what I harp on constantly is 1838 01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:51.600 legal legal, legal ease. It's like, yeah, the government's not 1839 01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:55.600 collecting your data. It's like, okay, so they're not technically 1840 01:53:55.640 --> 01:53:58.079 collecting it, but AT and T is and giving it 1841 01:53:58.079 --> 01:54:01.199 to the government. Like, you know, big difference, right, I mean, 1842 01:54:01.279 --> 01:54:05.119 what's the difference? But no, I mean it now you 1843 01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:09.079 can with with the corporate structure and then the like 1844 01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:12.319 I said, they're all integrated at a certain level with 1845 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:18.159 the government and corporations. They're they're defined though as distinct entities. 1846 01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:23.520 But in all this malleu of all these different you know, 1847 01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:29.079 contrivances is artificial, you know, fictions of legal ease and everything. 1848 01:54:29.560 --> 01:54:32.760 They can make out any statement and it's like technically 1849 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:35.880 legally true, no, we didn't do that, But see now 1850 01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:38.279 they did do it, but they didn't do it in 1851 01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:42.359 the way it's going to read on paper, right because 1852 01:54:42.359 --> 01:54:43.079 it's legal ease. 1853 01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:45.359 Yeah, It's like it reminds me of the people who 1854 01:54:45.359 --> 01:54:48.359 think that they can petition the government for a Foyer 1855 01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:51.439 request and that the government is like that, now we 1856 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:54.079 got to tell the truth that we can't lie because. 1857 01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:54.880 Of a request. 1858 01:54:55.159 --> 01:54:58.800 Yeah, a foyer request. Yeah yeah, I know. I love that. 1859 01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:01.399 I mean, and and then you know, people will make 1860 01:55:01.439 --> 01:55:03.439 a lot out of it something that came out of 1861 01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:06.840 a FOIA request. Yeah, that's I'm glad you brought that 1862 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:10.199 up because they're reminding me. Okay, this wiki league stuff. 1863 01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:13.079 Now I want to get your take on that. But 1864 01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:16.119 before I do, I want to tell you something I 1865 01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:22.039 heard somebody's talking about how like in the emails they 1866 01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:28.159 exposed the they're talking about UFOs and the disclosure project 1867 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:32.640 in the so I guess it, like m on, now, 1868 01:55:33.039 --> 01:55:38.159 damn it. It's like I I you know, I know, 1869 01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:41.119 I my take on weekileage saying is a scam. I 1870 01:55:41.119 --> 01:55:43.039 mean it's a scam. I mean, come on. But it's 1871 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:46.199 like after I heard that, I was like, yeah, so 1872 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:50.640 this is just another example of how well this stuff works. 1873 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:52.800 I don't know what to make of it, honestly, because 1874 01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:55.119 I've argued all along that it is a scam and 1875 01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:56.159 I do think it still is. 1876 01:55:56.199 --> 01:55:58.880 And I think that a song just fake and all that. 1877 01:55:59.640 --> 01:56:01.520 I think a lot of those emails are real though, 1878 01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:04.079 so maybe the luck people like people at the level 1879 01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:07.960 of Podesta and campaign people, they probably don't know like 1880 01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:10.239 how all this stuff really works. They're you know, at 1881 01:56:10.239 --> 01:56:17.159 a certain level, compartmentalized level. 1882 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:19.199 And it could be giant theater. 1883 01:56:19.359 --> 01:56:22.560 Which again, I do think Wiki Leaks is a like 1884 01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:23.920 a limited hangout sort of thing. 1885 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:27.119 And that's why you see by the way, Wiki Leaks 1886 01:56:27.239 --> 01:56:27.840 was a big deal. 1887 01:56:28.479 --> 01:56:30.920 And then when that kind of expired, who's who took 1888 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:36.239 this center stage Snowden. Snowden got old, so they trucked 1889 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:38.600 out a signe again you. 1890 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:46.840 See, Oh, Pamela Anderson poisoned them with the vegetarian so 1891 01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:47.840 he's dead now, right. 1892 01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:51.119 I don't know, I mean, I don't know. I have 1893 01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:53.119 no idea what is going on with all that. I 1894 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:57.840 don't think it's real, but I don't know what the 1895 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:02.479 deal is, like why because because I do think they're 1896 01:57:02.520 --> 01:57:04.840 real emails. But I've noticed that if you if you 1897 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:11.760 paid attention to wiki leaks, what they've done is released 1898 01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:16.800 blowney crap and then a little bit of stuff like cables, 1899 01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:18.039 which is not that big of a deal. 1900 01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:20.199 Uh, so they. 1901 01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:22.560 Mix, you know, it's kind of great propaganda, Like they'll 1902 01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:24.840 mix a little bit of real leak in with a 1903 01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:28.880 bunch of crap and what is called targeted leaks. Like 1904 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.239 there's a good article that Patrick did or somebody to 1905 01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:31.960 me for Central Ward. 1906 01:57:31.960 --> 01:57:32.600 Don't remember who. 1907 01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:35.359 Did it, but it was about the Panama leaks, which 1908 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:39.479 are pretty clearly targeted leaks. So fake whistle blowing, fake 1909 01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:44.520 leaking is a good a classic tactic to smear people or. 1910 01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:46.840 Divert or you. 1911 01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:49.960 Know, make everybody, makes a certain person look look like 1912 01:57:49.960 --> 01:57:51.880 a bad guy on the real bad guys somewhere else. 1913 01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:57.439 So that could be. I mean, I'm not saying I 1914 01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:00.960 do think Hillary Clinton's a bad guy. So yeah, I 1915 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:05.399 don't know why. I haven't figured out yet why they 1916 01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:09.560 would leak a bunch of stuff just on Hillary, because 1917 01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:12.359 I've been under the impression and I'm not saying that 1918 01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:17.159 Trump's real, I've been under the impression that, oh, you know, 1919 01:58:17.159 --> 01:58:20.600 they're going to go with Hillary and all this, So 1920 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.319 what do you think. I don't I don't know why 1921 01:58:23.359 --> 01:58:27.039 they would if a song just fake? Why would they 1922 01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:30.760 do that? Unless maybe there's like a level of people 1923 01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:31.279 who just. 1924 01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:34.239 Really don't like Hillary in the government. I guess that's possible, 1925 01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:35.520 but I don't know. What do you think? 1926 01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:41.000 Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's almost like Hillary 1927 01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:44.079 is the clear choice, and why come out with damaging 1928 01:58:44.119 --> 01:58:46.640 stuff like up to the election? Why allow it to 1929 01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:49.800 come out? And it was even it was even alluded 1930 01:58:49.800 --> 01:58:53.520 to in the debates, right, Chris Wallace, Yeah, yes, right, 1931 01:58:56.079 --> 01:59:02.800 I I think it is because I've said this too before. 1932 01:59:02.960 --> 01:59:05.279 It kind of goes like, oh yeah, yeah, I remember 1933 01:59:05.479 --> 01:59:07.880 when we were eating you said that, right, that to 1934 01:59:07.880 --> 01:59:09.600 get rid of the system as it is. 1935 01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:14.720 Yeah, they want to. I think that there is how 1936 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:16.920 long this is going to take. I don't know how 1937 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:19.439 many more actual elections will be. I have no idea. 1938 01:59:19.560 --> 01:59:21.600 I'm not going to try to make any predictions or anything, 1939 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:28.079 but yeah, I do think that this current political system. Now, 1940 01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:31.439 something you've talked about a lot too is the rise 1941 01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:36.199 of scientism. Right. You brought this up in Uh it 1942 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:37.880 doesn't care will quickly reflect. 1943 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:42.520 Quiggly has been saying the system as it is has 1944 01:59:42.600 --> 01:59:46.319 to go. So that would seem then to include the 1945 01:59:46.920 --> 01:59:51.800 existing political structure, even already rigged, but to move it 1946 01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:52.720 into a new phase. 1947 01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:56.399 Yeah. And then you know they've talked about to the 1948 01:59:56.560 --> 02:00:01.079 merger of the Soviet and UH and West, and then 1949 02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:04.239 that's part of the third or third wave, right or 1950 02:00:05.359 --> 02:00:09.880 and the Soviet means rule by council. So they have 1951 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:12.399 the rise of the n G O S. And then 1952 02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:15.760 at the same time we're seeing this pop this heavy 1953 02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:20.119 move toward the popularization of like science and scientism and 1954 02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:26.439 the Yeah, Oppenheimer I think was the first example of 1955 02:00:26.479 --> 02:00:30.039 what he's like, a theoretical physicist and and you know, 1956 02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:34.640 a science kind of popularist, you know. Tight and then 1957 02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:37.560 you were saying that quickly referred to him as sort 1958 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:41.359 of this public uh uh now what now what do 1959 02:00:41.439 --> 02:00:42.039 you say that he. 1960 02:00:42.520 --> 02:00:46.920 Calls him and calls him a great administrator and cultural critic. 1961 02:00:47.880 --> 02:00:50.720 Yeah, yeah, there you go, And that's that who is 1962 02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:55.279 you know, Neil de Grasse Tyson and you know, uh, 1963 02:00:55.319 --> 02:00:57.920 those you know, Bill nine and those type people, you know, 1964 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:01.239 they're not mitchell O Kaku be a better whenever he's 1965 02:01:01.239 --> 02:01:04.439 a he's a theoretical physicist, Yeah, they're there. They're they're 1966 02:01:04.479 --> 02:01:08.319 these you know popularists, you know science and you know 1967 02:01:08.840 --> 02:01:15.079 social commentators among other things. And yeah, they're being really 1968 02:01:15.560 --> 02:01:19.680 played up. I believe in this phase. At the same time, 1969 02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:23.840 the whole conception of politics and the political system is 1970 02:01:23.880 --> 02:01:33.199 being just just just disintegrated, like broken down. And uh, 1971 02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:36.760 I think that's part of it. And I think too 1972 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:40.640 that it is adds a lot of additional drama to 1973 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:45.399 the whole theatrics. That's part of the whole thing, because 1974 02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:48.520 I think it's inconsequential as far as Hillary supporters go. 1975 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:51.039 They don't give a damn it's coming out in these emails. 1976 02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:56.039 It could say that Hillary Clinton gave birth to zeno 1977 02:01:56.159 --> 02:01:59.479 morph or something. They wouldn't do. It wouldn't matter. 1978 02:02:00.119 --> 02:02:05.399 She sacrificed babies, and yeah. 1979 02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:06.880 While giving birth is you know, you know, like you 1980 02:02:06.880 --> 02:02:10.279 know what, any any the most gruesome thing you can 1981 02:02:10.319 --> 02:02:11.920 think of could be in there and it wouldn't Yet 1982 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.560 it wouldn't matter, you know, to the Hillary diehards out 1983 02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:21.640 there that you know, people people are people who vote 1984 02:02:21.680 --> 02:02:24.560 I think in generally speaking, not saying everybody, but people 1985 02:02:24.560 --> 02:02:28.079 who I think, generally speaking or vote are just really 1986 02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:35.800 just reactive you know, they're just you know, reflect they reflexively, 1987 02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:42.000 you know and compulsively go and get caught up in 1988 02:02:42.039 --> 02:02:46.319 this sort of psycho drama. It's a psycho dramas. 1989 02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.760 Yeah, and it's like it's like a sports team and 1990 02:02:48.920 --> 02:02:52.119 you know, like people are devoted to, you know, the 1991 02:02:52.199 --> 02:02:55.359 Chicago Bears because they're from Chicago and they've grown up. 1992 02:02:55.560 --> 02:02:57.560 You know, dad took them to the football game and 1993 02:02:57.600 --> 02:02:58.399 all this kind of stuff. 1994 02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.239 Yeah, and then you know, yeah, well we've seen the 1995 02:03:01.239 --> 02:03:05.760 same thing in sports too, where somebody gets brought up 1996 02:03:05.760 --> 02:03:09.600 on some like really serious charges, so you know about 1997 02:03:09.640 --> 02:03:11.680 something they did, like to beat the hell out of 1998 02:03:11.680 --> 02:03:15.079 their girlfriend or something they almost die or something like that, 1999 02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:17.800 and then they get right back out later, right or 2000 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:21.000 they get they're not they're not, Yeah, they're not totally 2001 02:03:21.079 --> 02:03:25.199 disowned by the sports fans of the or you know. 2002 02:03:25.359 --> 02:03:29.800 It's it's a lot of uh yeah, even the worst 2003 02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:33.000 kind of crimes, it's not you know, it's different if 2004 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:35.960 you're a high prominent sports figure. I always saw the 2005 02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:39.039 pedophile guy come out with the was the Sandusky and 2006 02:03:39.159 --> 02:03:44.039 uh oh yeah. People you know, make any kind of 2007 02:03:44.199 --> 02:03:46.800 mental gymnastics possible and make excuses for the guy because 2008 02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:49.159 he was a hero. He's like sports sports, what did 2009 02:03:49.159 --> 02:03:51.319 he actually do? He coach? He was like the coach 2010 02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:54.239 and stuff. So a really big deal in our society. 2011 02:03:54.279 --> 02:03:56.520 And it's like yeah, and it's like I don't see 2012 02:03:56.520 --> 02:04:02.800 politics is that much difference. It's like like, yeah, who 2013 02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:06.399 was like anti identity politics? You know, that's kind of 2014 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:11.279 like something that who was talking about Secker? You know 2015 02:04:11.319 --> 02:04:14.960 Tom Secker? You ever listened to him? Like Tom Secker? Yeah, yeah, 2016 02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:17.439 he kind of emphasized that a lot, and he's talked 2017 02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:19.760 he was doing his analysis, and I said, yeah, that 2018 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:22.039 that is true. That is like really being kind of 2019 02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:28.760 uh really fine, really focused in on now. It seems 2020 02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:32.800 like the kind of conception of this uh identity politics 2021 02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:36.119 where you know, it's like you have all these people 2022 02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:42.359 that simply because Hilary Clinton is a woman, yes, yeah, yeah, 2023 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:46.159 and then that's of course it's a big that's a 2024 02:04:46.159 --> 02:04:49.239 big component of all this and that. Yeah. So when 2025 02:04:49.279 --> 02:04:50.800 you kind of step away and look at it and 2026 02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:54.079 it's like that's that's all that really to the to 2027 02:04:54.199 --> 02:04:57.359 the to the majority, I think that that is what 2028 02:04:57.640 --> 02:05:03.760 is really sort of animating though those people like, you know, 2029 02:05:03.960 --> 02:05:08.159 the identity politics and then what what she represents symbolically 2030 02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:10.239 and what he represents symbolically. 2031 02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:17.640 Yes, he represents the patriarchal white guy, misogynist capitalist, and 2032 02:05:17.680 --> 02:05:21.640 then she represents the complete opposite, polar opposite, the liberal 2033 02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:25.359 pro woman feminists, you know, socialist. 2034 02:05:26.399 --> 02:05:29.520 Yeah, yeah, and yeah we brought that up before too. 2035 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:33.760 How it's like these these custom crafted sort of villains 2036 02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:36.520 for the other side, Like like bush was like the 2037 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:40.760 oil man talked with the fake Texas accident, and you know, 2038 02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:45.479 it's great for the left to hate. He's perfect. 2039 02:05:46.279 --> 02:05:50.840 I used the googles, maps a lot of maps, and 2040 02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:53.640 the Googles the internets. 2041 02:05:55.560 --> 02:05:57.840 I didn't know you did, Georgia bush Man. That's really good. 2042 02:05:58.560 --> 02:06:00.159 Yeah. Have you heard that clip? That's why of the 2043 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:01.800 funniest ones. Have you heard that. 2044 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:04.359 One where he's talking about the internets? 2045 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:08.199 Yeah? 2046 02:06:08.359 --> 02:06:11.520 Yeah, I just posted up something about him, and it's 2047 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:13.680 got a It was a link to a clip when 2048 02:06:13.680 --> 02:06:17.840 he was when he was attending university or something. He's 2049 02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:21.800 like young, young body, and he's totally doesn't have an accent, 2050 02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:24.840 and he's totally talking like an Eastern Sea border and 2051 02:06:24.880 --> 02:06:28.319 he's like totally articulate, doesn't stumble over his words, he's 2052 02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:29.680 like really sharp sound. 2053 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:33.960 I remember Alex used to talk about that. He would say, folks, 2054 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:37.439 they're not real Texans. Okay, I've seen him. I've seen 2055 02:06:37.520 --> 02:06:41.600 they came down here and they started they started wearing hats. Folks, 2056 02:06:41.640 --> 02:06:45.199 they pretend to be from Texas. It's not real folks. 2057 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:46.600 They're from They're from New England. 2058 02:06:47.560 --> 02:06:54.199 Oh yeah, yeah, no, yeah, well he he allegedly went 2059 02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:58.520 to college or was raised in in what Midland, Texas 2060 02:06:58.600 --> 02:07:03.920 or whatever. But of course they're gonna be good going 2061 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:05.760 back and forth between and then Mike, why doesn't his 2062 02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:08.720 brother have an act? I mean, come on, but it's like, yeah, 2063 02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:13.800 I know, it's just but what was your talking? 2064 02:07:13.840 --> 02:07:15.439 Okay, well, I think. 2065 02:07:15.279 --> 02:07:20.640 He was talking about he was talking about w because 2066 02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:24.600 W was if I recall, he was from East Coast 2067 02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:28.039 and then and then got into the oil business, so 2068 02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:29.760 then he would have to come to Texas for that. 2069 02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:32.680 And then they, he says, they, you know, took on 2070 02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:39.000 the the persona of being you know, these Texan ranchers 2071 02:07:39.039 --> 02:07:44.600 and good, good old Americans, but they're totally Eastern establishment, 2072 02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:48.520 you know Anglo files As quickly calls. 2073 02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:53.800 Yeah, the Anglo American establishment. Yeah, they that that and 2074 02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:57.319 I think that Bush or Baby Bush or whatever you 2075 02:07:57.399 --> 02:08:02.680 want to call him went through probably extensive coaching, voice 2076 02:08:02.720 --> 02:08:05.760 coaching and stuff, because his accent is actually really good. 2077 02:08:06.920 --> 02:08:09.960 But you saw it in that video I posted with 2078 02:08:10.079 --> 02:08:14.720 him and that comedian impersonator. Yeah, and then Bush kind 2079 02:08:14.720 --> 02:08:19.720 of like really emphasizes his whole stick there to where 2080 02:08:19.720 --> 02:08:20.720 it's obvious. 2081 02:08:21.199 --> 02:08:24.479 Well and w Senior doesn't really talk that way. He 2082 02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:25.960 doesn't have the Southern accent. 2083 02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:29.119 So I well, I guess, like you said, that Junior 2084 02:08:29.199 --> 02:08:32.880 is supposed to be raised in Texas or whatever. But anyway, 2085 02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:35.439 I'm gonna have to go. I've got a prayer commitment. 2086 02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:37.000 But it's been good talk. 2087 02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:41.760 Oh great man. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate having you on again. 2088 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:44.119 And that was real good. Yeah, good conversation. 2089 02:08:44.680 --> 02:08:46.960 Cool, all right, have a good night. It was good 2090 02:08:47.000 --> 02:08:49.000 to hang out and have a couple of beers too. 2091 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:53.479 Yeah, that was great man. I enjoyed it. Memphis. Yeah, 2092 02:08:53.520 --> 02:08:56.079 that's cool. Yeah, hopefully we'll be able to do that 2093 02:08:56.119 --> 02:08:56.760 again sometime. 2094 02:08:57.079 --> 02:08:58.079 All right, man, have a good night. 2095 02:08:58.279 --> 02:08:58.880 All right too,