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Speaker 1: And years ago HG.

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Speaker 2: Well's vasualized roads such as these and his science fiction fantasies.

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Speaker 1: And today there are Reality to the Afternoon to John Christ.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Afternoon Commune with Chris Kendall and John Adams.

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Today is October twenty six, twenty sixteen. If you'd like

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to hear previous episodes of the Afternoon Community, you can

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go to Hoaxbusterscall dot com. You'll see those posted up there,

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alongside the most recent episode of Chris's Monday night broadcasts.

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The original Hoaxbusters Call also posted up There are various

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articles and videos. Some of those are original in nature,

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so make sure you check those out. For any and

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all things folksbusters, go to Hoaxbusters Call dot com. Today, Chris,

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my friend, how are you doing so good? To have

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you back from your hiatus.

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Speaker 4: All. I'm doing well, getting back into the uh to

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the flow through the uh yeah, trying to get it adjusted,

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but uh yeah, it's going good.

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Speaker 3: Good. I guess. We had a couple of special reports

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that came out recently. Make sure you tricked those out.

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The most recent punk Rock and of course Chris was

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Chris and I were both in Las Vegas. Keep covering

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the stay there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, still recuperating from that, still hung over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just you know, I still got sand

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in my boots from being out of the desert there.

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But uh, in any case, it's the month of October,

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it's nearing Halloween, and I was feeling pretty halloweeny, and

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I thought, who better to get on? You know? I

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thought of the movie immediately, thought of the movie Halloween

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with Jamie Lee Curtis, the first one, And of course

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thought of that that really terrible movie Trick or Treat

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PC on HBO like five times a day when I

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was a kid. And who better to celebrate Halloween with

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but our good buddy Jay Dyer from Jaysanalysis dot com.

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If you're not familiar with the afternoon Commute, you will

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take note that Jay has been a gift on the

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after commute for every month for a very long.

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Speaker 1: Time, about twenty years. I think it's our silver anniversary

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coming up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty years. Yeah, yeah, great, Yeah, we've been doing

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this for a while. But yeah, I check out jays

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Analysis dot com. His book as Coming Out as a

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Cheric Hollywood. You can go there and pick up a

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copy and Jay writes on all sorts of interesting subjects.

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I've read a good amount of his articles over a

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long period of time and probably listening to all of

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his audios. So good stuff, good stuff there all around,

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So make sure you go check that out.

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Speaker 5: Jay.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing doing great?

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me back on Hoaxtbusters. I think

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you always fun, always love being on here. My CIA handler,

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my CIA handlers always grant me hoaxbusters. They they say,

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they say, since I do such hard work for the

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deep State, that I can have a little fun on Hoaxtbusters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, I can understand that. Well, we don't

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really bash Jews too much, so and I know you're

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actually a secret Jew as well.

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Speaker 6: I'm every day everything. I'm sure you guys get it too,

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don't you. You guys get called something you're who you're

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working for?

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Speaker 3: Someone HVC. I mean that sounds true. Hebrew Broadcasting Corporation.

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That's oh what Chris is not telling you?

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Speaker 4: It's not Hebrew, but it is Kosher.

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Speaker 6: Well I got to meet Chris finally, so yeah, I could.

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Speaker 1: Tell what that with that? Who knows?

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Speaker 6: And how you know Chris was cheap with his money,

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Chris was niggardly with so there we go.

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Speaker 3: What they didn't What they're not telling you is they

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meant when they said they met in Memphis, they met

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Memphis like GYP.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a Masonic meeting, right.

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Speaker 4: I did complain about the parking, isn't it? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Exactly, And the truth is out. I worked for the

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Area Underground.

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we're just kidding, right, that's joking.

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do you call it? Odin?

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that means I worship Odin.

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which is really good, and Chris posted up that Folksbusters

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there and actually he'd been going over the entire book,

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which which we've Chris and I have talked about a

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but I did find something recently that you guys might

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since having children, I can never finish a book within

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a year now, when I used to read like books

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fifty books a year. So this book is called Knowledge, Morality,

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and Destiny by Julian Huxley. Okay, now here's what he says,

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you know, in a bunch of different spots. But this

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is this is going to parallel what we're going to

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talk about. The scientific doctrine of progress is destined to

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replace not only the myth of progress, but all other

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myths of human earthly destiny. It will inevitably become one

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of the cornerstones of man's theology. But whatever may be

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the future substitute for theology and the most important external

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support for human ethics. Once men come to be concerned

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personal development, rather than the simple passage of one natural

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stage of life to the next, new types of ritual

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or celebration are required. These may be concerned with promotions

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steps of progressive initiation into sacred mysteries. The society of

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the future will need to devise new ways for coping

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the contrary, in all fields of social science, and in

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about relation between quantity and quality, quantity of the human

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atomic threat to affect the world through thought and action,

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how long will it take for the less spectacular but

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more insidious, reproductive threat to do so. Just as the

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horrible destructiveness of atomic warfare is now prompting a reconsideration

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of warfare in general, it seems likely to lead to

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national policy. So I would predict that the threat of

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amenity will prompt a reconsideration of values in general and

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multiple levels, especially since for a while back, I read

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of Contraception, and it's written by Carl Girassy, the guy

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who invented who's given credit credit as inventing a pill.

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that anything. And si Lard is a he's an interesting

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that that was bizarre that he, you know, fit those

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more like it, that that this is that this is

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something that is ongoing and quick he talks about this

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gives you the full background that these were not scientists,

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this whole idea of new technology, and that even the

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but that they were actually told what to do and

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what to say yes by bankers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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that whole chunk of the book that I did, is

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that the New Age is characterized by scientism, quantification, and atomics,

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as you said, And the threat of nukes is precisely

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what Quigley says is the inauguration of the new International Order.

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creation of the UN Security Council because of nukes.

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more devastating, supposedly right threat, because we had one World

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war and then we had one that was even worse.

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stage shootings, the numbers just kept growing to where in

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all this nonsense, and it just put everybody into total shock,

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Speaker 6: In the global government, and you're absolutely right to tie

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it to population control, because ironically, a lot of these

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people like you're talking about, who will be involved in

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all these programs, they'll turn around and say mankind is

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the disease upon this earth because he created nukes.

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Speaker 1: You see.

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Speaker 6: You see a lot of these grill globalist types are

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the ones who support the establishment who created the nukes,

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and then to say, oh, it's man that is the

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disease upon Gaya planet Earth that has to be controlled, eradicated,

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put into balance, whatever the propaganda is about population control,

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and that's because of the danger in the thread that

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he proposes to the planet because of nukes.

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one from what you were stating earlier about the Helen.

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quote Huxley because he started Genesco, so he tied into

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the United stations there. He is probably one of the

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most renowned writers on overpopulation myst for generating that throughout

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popular culture. I've got multiple actual nineteen sixties Playboy magazines

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where I got the actual Playboy magazine for the articles.

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which is a great magazine to publish in about you know, uh,

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sterilization and overpopulation, because the man who's going to be

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having sex because he wants appropriate So so Huxley's Julian

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Huxley is tied in that way. And then also, what

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Speaker 6: It that that the A lot of the proponents of

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the established then turn around and point out that man

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He all about transhumanism. He was the promote He was

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the prime original promoter of the idea of transhumanism. And

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he's also a greene, like an early greenee, like back

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in the sixties, like talking about even in this book

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farmers are bad. He says farmers are bad because they

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destroy the landscape. They're destroying the earth by farming, and

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we need to create more space on the earth because

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human you know, and by having less people on the earth,

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then they'll be you know, there's like a beautiful beautification process.

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is rewilding. And yeah, so all of these guys are

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like they give you the myth of the nuke. The

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nuke's bad, but see it's our fault. It's my fault

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that nukes got created.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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New Age, where he talks about rand corporation, game theory,

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cybernic cybernetics, Vanovar Bush and I actually argue that this

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is that's one of the most important chapters in the

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book because he predicts artificial intelligence, transhumanism, all based on

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this philosophy of total quantification, which is tied into materialism

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of course, pragmatism, empirical philosophy and all that, and the

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rise of mild industrial complex.

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Speaker 1: That's what that chapter is about.

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Speaker 6: Military industrial complex is run by pr people, he says,

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who employ compartmentalized actual scientists. And what quickly says is

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that what a lot of these actual scientists were doing,

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unbeknownst to them, was basically research for actual weapons now

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and that's we know that that's how we get you know,

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the Internet through DARPA, which was in the sixties Arpennet

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and then Darpernet, which was transferring packets of information right

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across across the country for cryptography for.

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Speaker 1: You know, spionage and all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 6: So the people thought, right, So in other words, you

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have to create this giant perception of this you know,

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evil empire that's out there that's going to sabotage the

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US and destroy the American way of life, all this stuff,

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and this is what motivates all the people. You know,

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you John, you've talked about this with the Silicon Valley

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and the uh, you know, the perception of Cold War

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and how that sort of marshaled all the energy of

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the conservative right wing out there in California to you know,

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go into the the tech realm. And that's all just

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another arm of this military industrial complex that Quigley's talking

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about in this chapter. And he interesting too that another

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big figure in this this whole nuke scenario is the

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character of doctor Edward Teller, the father of atmospheric aer

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aerosol chemtriol spring, which I do believe is real and

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as I said in the talk, you know, we don't

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I don't know, maybe you guys, I don't know exactly

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what the whole plan of it is because they cloak

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it in so much climate change talk. It's hard to

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make out what they are really doing with this. And

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you know, we've talked about different possibilities on the show before.

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I'm not trying to fall back into debating chim trails

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or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 6: Is that you start to see that quote Manhattan Project

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and quote Atomic Energy Commission, these are just kind of

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umbrella terms for a private military inditional complex that is essentially,

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I would say, concerned with weaponizing.

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Speaker 1: All of.

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Speaker 6: Creation in a way, in other words, how can And

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the reason I say that is, you know, in the

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sense of say William Ingdahl's first book, The Full Spectrum Dominance,

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It's like, how can we take culture and weaponize it?

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How can we take the environment and weaponize it? And

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weaponizing the environment may not mean, you know, turning everybody

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into like a nanotech drone zombie or something. Weaponizing the

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environment can be done through Agenda twenty one and the

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things that we're talking about. You know, it can be

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done through saying, man is the problem.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's and you know that's interesting too because one

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thing that I'm you know, sometimes you go back and

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read this stuff that you forget about, and one of

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the buzzwords I see in these guys stuff from the

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sixties is ecology and this idea, yeah of know this,

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you know, this new kind of this new form that

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they called ecology that uh and the better the betterment

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of the ecology. Of course, Gregory Bateson's book is you're

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mentioning cybernetics and all that stuff. Of course, his book

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is called The Ecology of the Mind.

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Speaker 5: And then.

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Speaker 3: Huxley talks about ecology playing a big role in in uh,

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you know, the betterment of of the human existence and

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all this, and transhumanism is sold on ecology, on the

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idea of ecology, because you know, once everything is mechanized,

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then it's going to be a better world. It's going

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to be cleaner. Yeah, you know, you know, it's all

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going to be Uh. That's one thing that you do

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see in the green in the green stuff with the

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Agenda twenty one, and the connection with with uh the

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transhumanist stuff is that we're they have a cleaner world

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on once you know, the singularity comes in.

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you weren't aware, Marx and Ingles talk about the ability

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of man to be reconciled to the environment, his alienation

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from the environment, which industrialization causes, they say, And so

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interesting too that you mentioned Huxley.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about.

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Speaker 6: The religious conception and then the replacement of theology with scientism,

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because another way that they sell the ecology movement, the

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green movement, all that now is precisely through the transference

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of religious concepts not just to scientism, but also to

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the environment. And quickly or excuse me, Huxley makes that clear.

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Eltis makes that clear. And his other one of his

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other lesser known famous books, The Perennial Philosophy, where he

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outlines of this sort of ecumenical syncretist approach to where look,

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he's saying, look, all the religions in a total Masonic sense,

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they're all just talking about the same thing. And what

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they're talking about is the environment. It's they're talking about

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the world. They're talking about when when when we think

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of God out there, that's just the reflection of man

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projected onto you know, the newmana out there and the beyond.

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But it's just mankind. And when mankind is worshiping these

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forces that he believes are out there or whatever, it's

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just really just the embodiment the personification of nature. And

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that's the entirety of Huxley's project. That's why he's he's

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that's why this ties into the ecumenical movement, because that's

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the basis of the ecumenical movement is the transitioning right

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of all these different religions and traditions and whatnot into

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the the global sphere of the idea that we're all

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just saying the same thing. And that requires of course,

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I would I would argue, you know, different relativism, subjectivism, materialism,

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you know, all the same culprits that I always always

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bitch about, if.

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Speaker 1: You if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And another thing too, is that in hux considered

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in this book, I don't have time to find the quote,

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but he talks about, uh, what what you were just

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talking about there? Industrialization, like in the Marxist sense. Now

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he's now he makes a good he makes a good

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point because this is true. He says industrialization of a

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nation causes population growth to slow right, because when the industrialized,

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then you know that as the theory goes not saying uh,

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this is completely and totally true, but this does get

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chalked up to population growth slowliness. You know, once people

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are indust are industrialized, then they stop, you know, having kids, right,

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they start doing other things. They have leisure time, and

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they're making money and so.

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Speaker 1: To Quigal too.

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Speaker 3: So so the funny thing is that, I mean, it's

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not funny, but it is funny, he says. He says, well,

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you know, don't get any ideas that we need to

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go like industrialized places or that we don't need to

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be industrialize the West. He says, actually, we need to

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be industrialized, but come up with better uh contraceptives.

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Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty funny, just like yeah, He's like, yeah, people

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are talking about industrializing, like but you know, going out

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and helping them people. Know, He's like, we don't want

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to do that. We just need better contraceptives.

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Speaker 6: What's interesting also is that if you remember in Brave

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New World, he he says that the future world socialist

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society will also keep certain areas in the older state

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of being.

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Speaker 1: Or or third world or whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 6: Old world and they had Yeah, these places are kind

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of living reservations of museums, like living museums.

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Speaker 1: Kind of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he says in there in this book which I

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recommend people to check. This book A Knowledge, Morality, and Destiny.

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It used to actually be called at one time new

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Bottle for new Wine. But he talks about uh so

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he's talking about like Somatra and Bali and Java in

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these areas which were which Chris and I actually discussed

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on our conversation about Tiki. So these areas were being

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you know, colonized, taken over and and uh, you know,

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there's obviously dialectic between industrialization and uh tribalism in the

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in the in the form of you know, like we

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can debate like, Okay, do you leave the culture alone

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and not go industrialize it, or do you know, do

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you come up with like something that can help people

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like that? That's debatable, right, and it's but it's only

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debatable within the confines of this system that we currently

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exist in, because we can't necessarily say that industrialization and

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westernization of everything is good, right, but just for the

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sake of argument within the within the confines of it,

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of what Huxley is proposing. He's saying like, oh, yeah,

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we need to keep like areas like like Bali, we

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need to keep those areas pure because it's such a beautiful,

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you know, it's so and he comes across as such

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an elitist, such a such a prick because it's so

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beautiful to like see these like you know, like people

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like existing in their grass huts and they're you know,

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in this old way of life, right. And I'm not

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saying that that isn't that that culture, it wasn't at

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one time good. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that

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the way that he's seen it is from an elitist

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perspective of like a Margaret Mead or an anthropologist or

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something like like like from the from his brother's perspective

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of brave New World. We're like, oh, yes, we're gonna

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have like you just said, like we're going to have

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these little areas that are untouched because we're so good,

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we're so philanthropic, and uh, we need to be reminded

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of this of like, you know, we're going to live

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in this highly advanced technological grid where everything's controlled, but

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we're going to keep like these old areas as kind

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of like a zoo, like you go see like these

472
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,720
old ways of life, you know, yes.

473
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,039
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly, And it shows you too that the whole

474
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:08,799
idea for world government is older.

475
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:10,519
Speaker 1: And this is not like a new thing.

476
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,359
Speaker 6: It's not well, all the stuff that you hear in

477
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,680
like the typical alternative media patriot crowd type stuff, like

478
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,759
these guys have been planning this for much longer than

479
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:30,200
what most people think. And well, there was a section

480
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,039
I was looking for in quickly where he talks about,

481
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:33,640
oh that one thing I wanted to say too is

482
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,839
that And I know that you guys already know this,

483
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:43,279
but it's interesting that he says that the nuke threat

484
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,640
and the transition into the bipolar world. He says that

485
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,680
this of necessity forces the entire system to move out

486
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,559
of all of the older ways of doing things from

487
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,039
the time of the Renaissance forward. So all the older

488
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,920
conceptions of nation states like you would get out of

489
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,799
you know, Europe and the Protestant Reformation and all these

490
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,319
the ideas of the kings and this this little nation

491
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,920
state versus thirty years war and all that kind of stuff,

492
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as well as the economics.

493
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 5: Of ly fair.

494
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 6: He says all of that has to go like it's

495
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it's it's forced into a new way of doing things,

496
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,039
which is the planned society, the rule by experts he

497
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:32,680
talks about on the page.

498
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Speaker 1: Eight sixty six here.

499
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Speaker 6: And that again, what's interesting is that for Quigley or

500
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,839
Huxley or any of those characters, they in this sense

501
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,319
they agree with Marxism.

502
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: Right.

503
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,319
Speaker 6: So Marx said, not just that industrialization would you know,

504
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,519
lead to these periods of like alienation and all that.

505
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,039
And in Marx's mind he thought it, you know, of

506
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,240
course it would lead to the proletary revolution that would

507
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,519
bring the next stage of a big state communism, which

508
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,639
would then be followed by the withering away of the state.

509
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,639
But they actually do agree with Marxism, with Marx that

510
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,920
you would get this global order that would be socialists

511
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:23,639
in a sense, a Fabian type model. And what most

512
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,559
people forget is that Marx believes that that can come

513
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:34,719
through technological mechanization. So Marx saw the industrial revolution and

514
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:41,360
technological automation not as a bad thing, and industrialization in

515
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Marx actually wasn't a bad thing because Marx thinks that

516
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,079
these things are necessary historical phases, and that's what's important

517
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,079
to keep in mind a lot of people don't know that.

518
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,199
I know I've kind of harped on that in different

519
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,440
talks and interviews, but it's important because people think Marxism

520
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,400
was something that kind of died and went away in

521
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,079
a sense it and it's classical form. No, there aren't

522
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,119
really Marxists out there, but what is out there is

523
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:10,119
this kind of morphed Medusa or not Madus.

524
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: So what am I thinking of?

525
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,679
Speaker 6: This kind of monster that's kind of morphed into the

526
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,760
global democratic, capitalist, monopoly capitalist version which is setting on

527
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,239
top of socialism, right, so it's like socialism for everybody

528
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:32,039
down below, and then of course it's the oligarchs at

529
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,159
the top, and they're families that are going to have,

530
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,840
you know, the automation, all the benefits basically that are

531
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,519
that come out of the society, and everyone else is

532
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:44,400
going to be herded into megacities and all this kind

533
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,000
of stuff. So I mean, I'm just I know, I'm

534
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:50,039
rehashing stuff that we've talked about a lot. But what's

535
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,719
so important is that Quigley says that in this chapter.

536
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,760
He says that it's it's almost sounds Marxist, right, like

537
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,920
it's it's a necessary stage of history to move into

538
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,840
managerial rule by experts, the planned economy, global planned economy,

539
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,960
all of this, he says, is just the next stage.

540
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:11,599
And I think that that's part of the sigh op

541
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,639
to that these people operate under, is that they just

542
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,280
kind of declare it necessary.

543
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Oh well, this is just the necessary phase. Right. You

544
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,360
don't want to be on the wrong side of history,

545
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:20,559
do you.

546
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. Here's something I want to put in here at

547
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,960
this point is that you're talking about nukes and how

548
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,599
you know, they're talking about the nukes. So the concept

549
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,480
of nukes, So that's all you need is the concept

550
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,119
that there's nukes, that there's this super weapon that like say,

551
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:49,280
the Russians just as an example, have their hands on

552
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:53,840
and seeing this represents a threat to you know, the

553
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,079
so called civilized world. So what does that communicate is

554
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,159
that we'll see now these uh, these so called states

555
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:06,360
out there or nation states, you know, like Russia, them

556
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:11,239
having this ability or this capability is a bad thing.

557
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,440
It's a threat. And and and you know, by extension,

558
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:20,079
the whole idea of these autonomous states are bad as well,

559
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,920
you know. And and the same thing is kind of

560
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,280
the same. It's the same sort of line of reasoning

561
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,159
that's being put across with the like gun control, like

562
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,280
guns in the hands of individuals are a bad thing

563
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,079
because individuals can be trusted with that kind of power.

564
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,800
Even though there's that U n quote. I don't know

565
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,480
exactly where it's from, but it says that, you know,

566
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:45,440
the the private ownership of guns that it is, it's

567
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,880
it's it's not consistent or not keeping with the UH,

568
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,000
or it's in it's it's in conflict with having the

569
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,559
monopoly of power reside in the state, which is the

570
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,880
you know, the I know a butcher that quote, but

571
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,280
it's something along that lines a legitimate power monopoly of

572
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,440
the state or something like that. So it is essentially

573
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,400
the same concept, except for you know, we see it,

574
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,960
we see the same kind of reasoning or so called

575
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,199
reasoning being played out on you know, multiple fronts, like

576
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with the UH, the with the geopolitics and this idea

577
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:26,519
of of nukes, and and they're very convenient for communicating

578
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,320
that which very same thing which has been like what

579
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,159
you're talking about, which is like the goal, it's an

580
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:38,039
ultimate goal. What's that again, I said, is that a

581
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:38,760
mau quote.

582
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: I can't remember what the.

583
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 4: The of I'm gonna try to look it up. I

584
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,519
can go ahead talking on see if I can find that.

585
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, what, I think it's the common

586
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,039
factor across the board. I think I mentioned this in

587
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,119
the interview with Tim Kelly a few months ago, was

588
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:08,800
that that both of the monopolistic capitalist, oligarchic fascist approach

589
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,719
as well as the communist Marxist socialist fabian what they

590
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,320
share in common and the why the CFR wanted that

591
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,800
convergence for so long that Quickly talks about is because

592
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,920
both of them share the goal of a homogenized monoculture

593
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,559
and standardization, so both systems have that process. And in

594
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,840
the sections where Quickly is treating the Cold War installing

595
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,280
and all this stuff, he talks about the you know,

596
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,440
these failed plans of the Soviets for these collective farms,

597
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,599
and you might think, well, that was all just a

598
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,000
big disaster. But interestingly, if you think about it, the

599
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,519
whole Soviet method of the collective farm in the attempt

600
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:58,760
to have this communist, Marxist, totally egalitarian farming situation for

601
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,000
millions of people, which actually resulted in the deaths of

602
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,199
millions of people at least according to the official story

603
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,760
of Stalin and all that, which I'm sure is probably

604
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,760
mostly correct.

605
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't really I guess somebody could debate that.

606
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 6: But yeah, assuming that's correct, the reason it fails is

607
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,159
irrelevant because or excuse me, the failure of all the

608
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:23,400
collective farms is irrelevant because all it was was the

609
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,960
test bed of the system to down the road move

610
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into the green system.

611
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:32,079
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.

612
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 6: So, in other words, the methodology and approach of the

613
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,119
collective farms and collective agriculture that you see with Stalin

614
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:48,400
and Khrushchev, it is basically the same approach that the

615
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:54,480
ecology movement and the green movement want to do with agriculture, farming,

616
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:57,440
globalism and all this. Right, they want to have a

617
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,079
total global control over all of those things. And you

618
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,480
see this in the US with big not big Pharma,

619
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,679
but but big big Agra. Right, Big Agra wants to

620
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,679
control all the farms. They're gonna have the genetic modification,

621
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,360
and just like with Stalin and his collective stuff, they

622
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,880
sell they would sell it by all the promises.

623
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Right.

624
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 6: See, all the old system, the old system had all

625
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,719
these you know, it was all based on capitalism and

626
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,000
it was based on private ownership of farms, and look

627
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,280
at all the problems you see, So you have the

628
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,239
threat the problem there, right, the new system is going

629
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,360
to give you all these new it's all these grand promises. Right,

630
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,599
you're gonna have everybody's gonna be fed, everybody's belly will

631
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:41,000
be full.

632
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,519
Speaker 1: And now we see it with the exact same thing.

633
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,639
Speaker 6: So oh, Monsanto and the GMOs, they're gonna they're gonna

634
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,400
feed the world. Everybody's gonna be fed. We won't have

635
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,679
crop failures, we won't have hunger. And now it's all

636
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,880
it's all the exact same managed society like the Soviets, just.

637
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: Like in the US.

638
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,159
Speaker 6: Right, there's a great documentary, I forget the name of it,

639
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,519
but it was comparing the cult the Soviet system with

640
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:08,960
the system in the West, and they were.

641
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: Pointing out how similar it was.

642
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 6: Right Like, so in the US you might have coke

643
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,039
and pepsi, but if you were to go over there,

644
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:19,400
it would be like you know, the parties Coke Party, pepsi, right,

645
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,719
like the pepsi of the Soviet party or is on

646
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,000
the right. I mean, you know, if you got light bulbs,

647
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,920
it would be victory light bulbs right nineteen eighty four,

648
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,719
Commy coke.

649
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,639
Speaker 5: Mister there, maybe you'd like to create some state sponsored

650
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,440
so the pot.

651
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else?

652
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:51,519
Speaker 6: Remember that documentary on standardization and planned obsolescence light bulb conspiracy.

653
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,159
This this documentary I'm trying to think of. I can't

654
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:57,519
remember the title of it, but it's it's basically it

655
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,199
has some of the same points in it. It's like

656
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,159
this the Soviets system, they would actually one of the

657
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,079
reasons that they in certain areas couldn't compete is because

658
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,440
they would try to if they came up with a

659
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,960
light bulb, they would try to push the light bulb

660
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,400
that worked for a long time. But because the world

661
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:20,960
was moving into the consumerist society, which is what their

662
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:24,320
in corporation was pushing. Then if you're pushing a light

663
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,079
bulb that last ten years, twenty years, you're going to

664
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,400
be put out of business because you're not going to

665
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,159
make the profit that would be able to keep up

666
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,039
with the company that's or the world, actually the global

667
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,599
market that's based on planned obsolescence.

668
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,159
Speaker 1: So that one of all I'm saying is that it shows.

669
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,679
Speaker 6: It shows that the Soviet system, in my view, was

670
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,039
once again just to kind of test to to try

671
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:54,519
out these different things in different regions, try out different

672
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:58,320
methods of total control and see what worked best. And

673
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,159
since the Soviet one didn't work, that the one in

674
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,119
the West, which is very similar, pretty much the same one,

675
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:08,079
but it's dressed up in different garb uh, gives the

676
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,360
impression of a little more freedom. That one works a

677
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,920
lot better than the sort of top down you know,

678
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,440
Stalin presenting himself as a newsar right.

679
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: M.

680
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:24,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the I think the American model of

681
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:29,079
the Western you know, we we do, indeed, I think

682
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,239
have in some respects more you know, quote unquote freedom.

683
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:39,039
I mean we, you know, I mean we pretty much.

684
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,360
I mean we could say whatever we want to say

685
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,960
and put it out onto kind of uh you know,

686
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,480
onto a podcast and what have you, or some platform

687
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:51,159
or you know, if you can get a platform, you

688
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:54,239
can talk put out whatever you want to talk about.

689
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,000
But it it now supposedly, you know, they have all

690
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,920
these kind of tight restrictions on speech, like in places

691
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,360
like China or you know, or Soviet Russia or the

692
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,719
former Soviet Union. Now how much of that is true,

693
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,320
I don't I don't know, or how another thing with

694
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,840
all of this is like, how okay, so that that's

695
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,920
the official position, but how strictly is all of that

696
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:29,239
enforced in those countries? And like what is the Oh somebody, yeah, listener,

697
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,599
don sent me a link to an article about how

698
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,719
sarcasm is. Uh, they want to outlaw sarcasm in North

699
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,159
Korea and so let's say, well, I mean that tells

700
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,079
you there must be a lot of sarcasm going on

701
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,119
in with Korea. So yeah, yeah, what's going on there?

702
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: Remember remember the stories of the one child policy. I'm

703
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,559
not in China.

704
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that there wasn't a one child policy

705
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,519
in China. I'm sure there was, and I'm sure that

706
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:59,960
there were attempts to restrict this. But when you stop

707
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,159
and think about how many people are in China, so

708
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,199
we're told, right, well, there's like a billion Chinese people

709
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,519
or some you know, how if you saw them, think

710
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:11,800
about how you would enforce that.

711
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard too that the one child policy that

712
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,760
the way to get around it is just a bribe

713
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,000
and official like the US a thousand thousand dollars US

714
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,880
or something like that, and that then you could have

715
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,840
you know, a third child or two children or whatever

716
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:34,000
now child or whatever. It's just a yeah, it's open

717
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,719
bribery there, like a right, yeah, So how do you

718
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,360
control a billion people? That's a real good question. And

719
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,039
do they and or is it just this when and

720
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,679
I try to make the point as frequent as possible,

721
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,639
it's like, yeah, I mean you're talking about government, you're

722
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:56,679
talking about it. It's it's a fictional construct that that

723
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:04,159
really only exists between our ears. The real practical uh,

724
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,840
you know, ability for them to enforce actually enforce or

725
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,599
force anything upon us, you know, they or them or

726
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,599
whatever you want to call it. This idea of government

727
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:18,280
and what they represent as far as a percentage of

728
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,679
the population, it's so insignificant that there's there's no practical

729
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,239
way that they could possibly enforce the so called law

730
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,480
on the populace.

731
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, elites said, elites in trying to have two more

732
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,800
than two children. So it's the same thing. So it's

733
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,119
the same thing like what's here where like we talked

734
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:43,360
about before, you know, with you know, someone like Hillary's

735
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,199
not going to get busted for doing stuff that some

736
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,039
something you or I would get busted for or whatever.

737
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,119
It's the same thing in every country most likely.

738
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's the same way kind of with the surveillance,

739
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,800
which I think showed that the whole Snowden thing was

740
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,000
a SIoT, was that they're not I don't think they're

741
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,519
really that concerned about people finding out. In fact that

742
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,840
I think they wanted them to know the ability at

743
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,639
least or the degree or probably exaggerated abilities of the

744
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:18,280
surveillance so that people would police themselves, right, which we've

745
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,599
talked about of course many times.

746
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: But if you think.

747
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,079
Speaker 6: About it too, I mean, think about how many people

748
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:27,639
it would take to police everybody's speech. I mean, it's

749
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:32,079
just like it's almost impossible. I mean, even the supercomputers

750
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,400
and the metadata and all that, like, it requires tremendous

751
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,679
resources to try to sift through this information. So and

752
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,559
I'm not saying that they couldn't if they wanted to

753
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,639
find out you know, who's saying what and all that.

754
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:46,840
I'm sure they do. But you know, it's kind of

755
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,679
like Jones used to always say that a lot of

756
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:53,079
the NSA stuff is primarily for the people in the

757
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,760
establishment to be to be surveilled, which, by the way,

758
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,119
is another parallel to the Stalin regime.

759
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they East German Stazi, they had all kinds

760
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:09,599
of machinations there to make which I would like, I've

761
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,000
I've looked at different stuff on that, you know, documentaries

762
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,679
and stuff. How much it is true, I don't know.

763
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,440
I wasn't there us got to say that, but what

764
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,519
what I gathered from looking at what they're doing much

765
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,480
I was like, you're touching on Jay, these are I think,

766
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,960
like these countries and like you're talking about all the

767
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,440
Soviet Russian stuff are like big open air laboratories to

768
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,280
pass you know, social engineering out on large scales. And

769
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,519
you know, they did this in East Germany with a Stazi,

770
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,960
with the surveillance state, and it was like, well, it

771
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,239
got to a certain point that it was just beyond

772
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,119
absurd where they had like every third person like part

773
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:53,039
of the spy.

774
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 6: And that's, by the way, what most And again I'm

775
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,679
not a Stalin scholar or even an expert on Cold War,

776
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,159
but everybody who I've talked to, or you know, college

777
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,559
classes where we dealt with this, or books that you read,

778
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,559
pretty much everybody says that Stalin's whole thing collapsed because

779
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,079
of that very thing, Like everybody's worried about who's going

780
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:20,639
to spy on them and then quickly says that the

781
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,239
transition from Stalin to Krushchev was just basically one giant

782
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,079
power struggle and everybody lying and spying on everybody else,

783
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:33,079
and Stalin's power collapsed and then Khrushchev stepped into the vacuum.

784
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:35,519
Speaker 1: So the story goes yeah.

785
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: And then then one thing they would show was like, Okay,

786
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,639
for instance, they would take these dogs that are trained

787
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:48,079
to hunt people down, and so if you got accused

788
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,719
where ranfl the state, like in the East Germany, like,

789
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,280
they would take like a cloth and set it down

790
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,719
in your desk chair or whatever to get your scent,

791
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,920
and they would seal it in a are and put

792
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,000
it on a shelf so that if they ever had

793
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,119
to like track you down with a dog, they can

794
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,760
pull that rag out and get a cent off of it.

795
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,559
And then they showed these big warehouse full of just

796
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,760
jars with rags in them, and I was like, oh,

797
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,519
I mean, you know, think about that for a minute.

798
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:23,960
It's just And they also had like they were pulling

799
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,280
out these file systems, and they said that it got

800
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,000
to the point where they were putting so many files

801
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,119
and so many dossier's on people, and they got so

802
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,440
voluminous that they they got to the point where instead

803
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,559
of filing they would just stuff them into like boxes

804
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:41,199
and ba and stuff and just you know, no organization

805
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,320
or anything. They just had just mountains of paper and.

806
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 6: It was just it was wouldn't they they didn't they

807
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,159
They use poodles, didn't they?

808
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

809
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 6: There was there was a little poodle who had they

810
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:55,519
he would wear a Soviet commas our outfit.

811
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: And that's who. That's that's who sniffed you down.

812
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:00,639
Speaker 2: Uh.

813
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:10,159
Speaker 1: They were called the pollt bureau poodle. Yeah, the poodle bureau.

814
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,119
Speaker 5: You want to make from the poodles in Russia and

815
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:19,840
very really sent goodn't have death mistic Dieter. Do you

816
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,639
think it's really funny? Poodles are very vicious?

817
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: M hm.

818
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: Actually, poodle poodles are bread, are bread to be attack dogs.

819
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:33,440
That's yeah, that is true. They are. They are. They

820
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:42,199
are vicious little bastards, that's for sure. Uh well what well, yeah, Chris,

821
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,559
you're talking about you know, the jars with the cross

822
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:51,559
with the Stasi and the the files and all that

823
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:56,960
type of stuff. And I just wanted to bring up

824
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,159
to the obvious point that this is social experimentation and

825
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,679
obviously to see what people you know, this is was

826
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,920
you know, trying to see what exactly people could what

827
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:11,360
you could get people to do to each other, like

828
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,519
you know, I mean they have that movie out there

829
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,960
that's interesting from what I remember I've seen a long

830
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:27,800
time in the lives of others. Yeah, yeah, so and

831
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:35,159
and uh, like the data collection itself is fakery. That's

832
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:40,719
tricking you because because you're thinking to yourself, oh my gosh,

833
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,039
there is massive supercomputers out there running algorithm algorithms on

834
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,920
our conversation right now, and we need to be scared

835
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,199
of that. We need not do anything because it's so massive.

836
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,159
It's so it's you know, it's like a it's like

837
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,119
this huge giant but see that's that's it's that's one

838
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:08,320
of its problems too. One of the problems of the

839
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:13,159
super Marnolithic state is that it becomes so massive that

840
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:18,920
you can't find anything in it. So whereas it's scaring

841
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,840
the Bejesus out of you because it's so monstrous and huge,

842
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,159
it works on most people in the back with the

843
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,079
background noise. I was just recently talking to someone and

844
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:36,639
uh they were they were talking about I can't remember

845
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,719
what they said, but they said something along the lines of, uh,

846
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,519
I remember I brought up we were talking about credit reports,

847
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,880
and I brought up how t r W back in

848
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,320
the eighties was a c I a front for data

849
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:57,280
collection mhm and uh that was, you know, a credit

850
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,719
reporting agency. But there and then you know, they had

851
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,679
that mo movie which we talked about a little bit,

852
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:04,639
that falcon in the Snowman movie where allegedly these guys

853
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:09,639
were it was basically like the model for Snowden in

854
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:11,599
a way, the Falcon and the Snowman. They made that

855
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:16,559
movie with Sean Penn and Timothy Hutton, and yeah, it's

856
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:19,679
these guys who work at TRW and they're giving the

857
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:27,079
Russian secrets and they're walking out with with tiles and

858
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,679
massive amounts of files and just giving them over to

859
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:37,440
the Russians in Mexico and uh. And so that I

860
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,440
was telling this to this person, they said, oh, yeah,

861
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:47,039
that that sounds like conspiracy stuff, right, And they're like, wow,

862
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,800
that that that was in the eighties. They're like, well, yeah,

863
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,760
I guess you know, they're you know, they're kind of

864
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,360
a liberal minded person. So they were aware of Edward

865
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,840
Snowden that type of stuff. They're like, yeah, I guess

866
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,800
it's been going a lot on a lot longer than

867
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,920
you know, the NSA and so I just brought up

868
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:13,719
like the Technological Society by Jacques Loel and and like,

869
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:18,920
you know, the information storing and the control grading of itself.

870
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,519
I mean, it's probably been around since since day one

871
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:28,480
of civilization. You know, spies are as old as you know,

872
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,599
spies are as old as prostitutes are.

873
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: Right, and the confessionals back in the day, right.

874
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: Sure, and and so so. Uh so you know, it's

875
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,840
it's the same, it's the same thing. But I'm sure

876
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,800
like back in you know, ancient times or whatever you

877
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,280
want to call it is uh they have these same

878
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,840
type of threats that you know that the state, the

879
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,199
all powerful state is watching over you and that you

880
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,199
better be scared of it. But most of the time,

881
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:07,679
for the most part, it's not really something that's happening. Yeah,

882
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,079
it's the it's the threats, the perception. Yeah, yeah, it's

883
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,800
what could possibly happen to you. I mean, it's the

884
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,119
same thing with not paying your taxes. I mean, you

885
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:21,639
could get in trouble for not paying your taxes. There

886
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,760
are people out there who have gotten in trouble for

887
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:31,039
not paying their taxes. But there is a percentage of

888
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:33,199
people that you don't know or that you've never heard of,

889
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,599
who don't pay the taxes and nothing happens to them.

890
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a huge amount of non filers.

891
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

892
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,599
Speaker 6: And the reason for this, by the way, is I

893
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:50,840
think that you know this, the the people in power

894
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,119
have known for a long time about that principle that

895
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:56,639
we've mentioned many times that you know, Kissinger said that

896
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:00,000
it's really about perception and not what's the facts are.

897
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,920
And so for example, you go back to Elizabethan England

898
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,800
and the whole you know, the whole modern spy culture

899
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,239
arises out of the British intelligence, which, as we've said

900
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:14,559
many times, that goes back to John d and Elizabeth

901
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:16,800
and all that, and there would have these paints. She

902
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,920
would have these paintings commissioned of her, these you know,

903
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,800
these famous paintings of Queen Elizabeth, and she's got in

904
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,599
one hand, she's holding a rainbow showing her rulership or whatever,

905
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,400
and then the gown she's wearing is covered in eyes.

906
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,679
And so the painting, which presumably, I guess a lot

907
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:39,679
of people would have been seeing. The painting itself is

908
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:42,840
a kind of is a form of symbolic propaganda, kind

909
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,559
of telling people, hey, I've got all these spies everywhere.

910
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,559
And she was of course known for her vast spy network,

911
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,000
you know, Sir Walter Rawley and all these people and

912
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:55,280
John d and all this, and so it was the

913
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,199
perception that there were spies everywhere, and you know, who

914
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:00,599
knows to what degree there and weren't.

915
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:04,039
Speaker 1: But the same thing with what.

916
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,199
Speaker 6: They did in the eighteenth century when they studied panopticism,

917
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:09,960
and I'm sure you guys are familiar with that with

918
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,239
you know, Michelle Foucaud, the philosopher has written on panopticism

919
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,199
after the fact, and he talked about how you know,

920
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,079
the construct of the prisons in France and in England,

921
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,480
this is the ideas of Jeremy Bentham.

922
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:24,559
Speaker 1: Right where the guard.

923
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 6: Tower is in the middle and you don't even have

924
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,039
to have guards in there as long as you know,

925
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:30,760
the windows are blacked out or whatever, and all the

926
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,039
inmate cells are facing inwards towards the tower and they're

927
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,239
completely open. So the idea here is that you're under

928
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:42,159
constant surveillance most likely, So you think and what they

929
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760
noticed was that it just caused everybody to alter their

930
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,079
own behavior. So what I'm saying is that that's all

931
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,760
that whole, all that snowed and stuff is just the

932
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,599
exemplification of that principle that it doesn't mean, Yeah, it's

933
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:58,440
not possible to you don't have enough manpower right to

934
00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:02,119
police all of this data. But all you need to

935
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:03,880
do is give everybody the impression that you do.

936
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:07,519
Speaker 4: Well, there's an element you can add to the panopticon

937
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,039
would be now, what now, just just proposing this, what

938
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:16,880
if you had inmates that weren't really inmates, they were

939
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,719
just moles so to speak, in and amongst the population,

940
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,719
so that from periodically they could go in and do

941
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,440
a bit of theater where they take one of them

942
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,719
ount and say, oh, we caught you you, we saw

943
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:36,440
you doing something. Yeah, and then the perception is created like, oh, okay,

944
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,599
so this is yeah, you can get you can get

945
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,880
you can get found out if you're so. Then they

946
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,039
wouldn't even have to have guards, they wouldn't even have

947
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:48,360
to have anybody watching it all, just the perception of

948
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,320
it exactly.

949
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something I've I've even questioned in recent

950
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:03,039
times like thinking about that is, I'm I'm sure that's

951
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,800
what a lot of this stuff, you know, with a

952
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,440
lot of the fakery and things like that, is like

953
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,400
like Chris just said, like you could have people plant,

954
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:18,960
you know, planted in there in a prison or something.

955
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:21,519
Then you know, guards beat guards, beat them to a

956
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,239
pulp allegedly, or make it look like they beat them

957
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:28,559
to a pulp, and then that scares everybody into doing

958
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:35,719
it or into obeying. And that's you know, just as

959
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:43,079
time goes on, it becomes more relevant that the fakery

960
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,199
is a lot easier than it is to pull things

961
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:49,079
off in real life. I'm not obviously not saying that

962
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,360
people don't get beat down in prison in that prison

963
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,400
full of mole, even though prison is full of moles too.

964
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:02,920
What I'm saying is is like, is like what I

965
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,679
was alluding to with the Julian Huxley quote, with the

966
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:08,639
warfare and all that type of stuff, We're getting to

967
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:16,400
a point toward people. Well, once again the stem off

968
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,840
of what I'm trying to say, uh pre uh giving

969
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,000
giving a pre explanation. So Jane and I had a

970
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:28,760
conversation over text where he had sent me a National

971
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,159
Geographic article or or what did you say? You said

972
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:36,039
something was in National Geographics, and then you and I

973
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:40,239
got into a conversation about how like the media is

974
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,480
destroying itself, like the old forms of media are dying,

975
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:45,800
but that was actually part of the plan to have

976
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,159
all those old forms to actually die off, like magazines

977
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:55,119
and newspapers and stuff, because you know, the Internet is

978
01:02:55,119 --> 01:03:01,719
what they want everybody to be on it. But that

979
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,000
doesn't necessarily mean that everybody that works in National Geographic

980
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,840
or at the New York Times is in on it

981
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,679
that that those old forms of media are going to

982
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,639
die out. Like there's obviously people who work there who

983
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:18,679
realize that those are old forms dying, but they're not

984
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,000
in on the gag that that was something that was

985
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:25,320
talked about long ago, that these that these would go away, right,

986
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,239
And so it's the same thing with old forms of

987
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:38,199
warfare are going to go away and the old forms

988
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,159
of of doing things. And I think that what we've

989
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,800
seen in the past, you know, you know, especially in

990
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,599
the more recent times, is that the old forms of

991
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,239
doing things are are are going away. Not that they

992
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,719
that they didn't call off fakery in old times or

993
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,760
anything like that, but I do tend to think that,

994
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,920
you know, people really do get killed and murdered and

995
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,519
all that type of stuff. And when it comes to

996
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:12,159
power plays and all that and all those types of things.

997
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,559
I don't think everybody, every single person ever has been

998
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:21,599
shepherded off to a private island somewhere. But that goes

999
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:24,880
on a case by chase basis. That's not that's not

1000
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,760
to say that that doesn't happen often. And nowadays I

1001
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,000
think what what happens is is the old form, like

1002
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,239
I was saying, the old form of warfare will eventually

1003
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,679
go away where you won't even need to actually go

1004
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,000
fight wars anymore. You can just tell people that that

1005
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,880
a war is going on, and then you can also

1006
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,239
just tell people that, oh, like we just had here

1007
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,519
recently when I wanted, when I saw a bunch of newspapers,

1008
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:56,440
I didn't even know that this happened, but I knew

1009
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,599
I had a suspicion about being fake because on every

1010
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:04,960
newspaper from the New York Times to uh, you know,

1011
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,599
the local newspaper at the newsstand, they just got every

1012
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:16,159
newspaper thirteen people killed in the bus accident in Palm Springs.

1013
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,920
And the first thing I thought of is that it

1014
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,079
was a fake story just because of the fact that

1015
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:29,199
it was plastered on all over every newspaper. And it's like,

1016
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,519
why would you be Why would the New York Times

1017
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:34,119
have this on the front page with huge, you know

1018
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,480
headlines like thirteen people you know die in a bus crash, right,

1019
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,679
and and so there's something shady about this bus crash

1020
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,599
or I'm not bringing this up to UH to talk

1021
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,079
about that particular instance. But what I'm saying is is

1022
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,559
now you can have these events and they don't need

1023
01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:01,159
to be real anymore because one no one's no one's

1024
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:03,760
going to go no one's going to know either way,

1025
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,519
and no one's going to go out there and investigate it.

1026
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:11,000
There's not there's no real journalists anymore. Who that's not

1027
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:14,440
necessarily true. There's no real journalists in the mainstream anymore.

1028
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,519
Who who will go out there and get handed a

1029
01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:20,159
piece of paper by some you know official who's just said, Okay,

1030
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:25,079
here's what happened. Right. So it has become much easier

1031
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,119
over time to be able to just have these controlled environments,

1032
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,840
and why not do that? Why not when you can't?

1033
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:37,039
Speaker 6: It fits into everything we've been saying about the creation

1034
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:39,599
of the threat, the perception of a threat.

1035
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:40,679
Speaker 1: Threating have to be real.

1036
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 6: You just create you know, the stage shootings give the

1037
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,960
impression that there are just craze mad man going on

1038
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:51,320
shooting spreeze everywhere.

1039
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: It's just constant, you know.

1040
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 6: And then of course obviously the establishment says, up, we've

1041
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,280
gotta have gun control.

1042
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:58,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

1043
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 6: The the whole story of the nukes, right, Ah, there's

1044
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:05,039
a black market nuke network that's just gone rampant across

1045
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:09,079
the world. You know, what are we going to do

1046
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,320
the aq CON nuke network which is all suspiciously connected

1047
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,039
to the CIA.

1048
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,679
Speaker 1: Oh, well, we've got to have a global you know.

1049
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 6: Force to to police this. Oh, we got the threat

1050
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:22,519
of the spies and the Soviet moles everywhere.

1051
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:23,159
Speaker 1: What are we going to do?

1052
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:26,599
Speaker 6: Oh, we got to set up surveillance everywhere. We got

1053
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:29,079
to have number stations everywhere across the globe. We've got

1054
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:31,119
to have outposts to listen in on everything.

1055
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: For the nukes, for the Russians and the spies.

1056
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 6: Right, so, all these threats are just constantly Basically, we're

1057
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,360
just giving a bunch of whole bunch of false threats,

1058
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,280
is really what it amounts to. At For the establishment,

1059
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,280
you know, for the establishment to extend its goals, and

1060
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,079
it really is. I think that's simple. That's how the

1061
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:52,800
system works. It runs on all these fake threats and

1062
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:58,599
it has to constantly keep upping the ante and rolling

1063
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:00,239
them out, you know what I mean to kind to

1064
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,400
kind of keep it going. And that's where you get

1065
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,440
all the stage craft and all the fakery and all this,

1066
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,559
you know, all the hoaxery and uh yeah, I think

1067
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:10,599
you nailed it right there.

1068
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 4: You'll see the Vice documentary where they went out and

1069
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,119
went on the black market to buy a suit It

1070
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:21,319
was a suitcase nuke.

1071
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have, I've seen. Yeah.

1072
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,199
Speaker 6: Vice is totally c a by the way, but there's

1073
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,279
a whole bunch of things about Vice that I think

1074
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,840
show that they're right, Like they're the you know, they're

1075
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,399
going to embed with ISIS. Yeah right, but we can't

1076
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:39,039
stop ISIS. But but Vice visus, right, Vice can go

1077
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,640
in bed with ISIS, get and break. Yeah, yeah, And

1078
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,079
they're going to go on the black market NEWT Network.

1079
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:47,199
Speaker 1: Oh, they're going to talk.

1080
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 6: To this this secret organization called the Pink Panthers who

1081
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:57,880
are behind all the diamond smuggling and all right, so

1082
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,800
Vice can go find them.

1083
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: But you know, inter Pole and the CIA and none

1084
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:03,880
of these.

1085
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 6: Groups can stop these all the rogue villains, right, the

1086
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,760
rogue villains everywhere.

1087
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,079
Speaker 1: That's a big part of the whole.

1088
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 6: And that's what you know when you grow up on

1089
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,159
Hollywood and you watch movies and all this stuff, the

1090
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:18,640
movie is always presented that way, right, there's all the

1091
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,600
rogue villains are all out there, rogue nations, the rogue cartels,

1092
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,359
the rogue black market, and you know, like if you

1093
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,720
watch that, I think it's a mediocre movie.

1094
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:31,159
Speaker 1: Lord of War.

1095
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,279
Speaker 6: The good point at the end of that Nicolas Cage movie.

1096
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,680
He realizes that he thought he was this rogue arms

1097
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,560
trader and he was being protected somehow, and then he

1098
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,239
finds out who's protecting him. It's like Pentagon generals.

1099
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:54,159
Speaker 4: That's funny you bring that up because my brother was

1100
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:57,159
telling me about that movie said that, oh yeah, you

1101
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:01,000
hear that they had something come out in Clinton's emails.

1102
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,319
That's that it said. It goes right along with the

1103
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:06,439
script of that movie.

1104
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:09,079
Speaker 1: Oh Lord of War.

1105
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 4: Really yeah, where some arms trader gets some kind of deal,

1106
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,239
he gets off because he was you know, like you're

1107
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:18,960
talking about and with the.

1108
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,199
Speaker 6: I've read the book that it's based on. I'm trying

1109
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:26,319
to remember that that guy's name. He's like the number one.

1110
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:27,520
He's like the ben Laden of.

1111
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: Arms trading, they called him in the last twenty years

1112
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,119
or so. I could go look it up.

1113
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,079
Speaker 4: But well, yeah, that's what I was wondering if if

1114
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:39,279
that film was supposedly based off of a supposedory story

1115
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:40,760
or maybe it maybe it.

1116
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: Well, actually the story it's based off of a book.

1117
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,359
Speaker 6: That well, roughly based off of a book that did

1118
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:56,520
get sanitized and Hollywood eyzed a bit. But the book

1119
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,239
that that I'm talking about actually calls him out as

1120
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:01,920
a CIA guy.

1121
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: Mmkay, yeah, so so yeah.

1122
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,239
Speaker 6: And that's the And now, to what degree you know

1123
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:13,199
that guy didn't know he was working for the CIA.

1124
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,920
I find that hard to believe because that's kind of

1125
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,079
the way the Nicholas Cage movie presents it, like he

1126
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:21,640
like he doesn't know who's really running things, and then

1127
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:25,119
you know, like at the end of his career he's like, oh, crap,

1128
01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:28,039
I've been working for the Kinagon the whole time.

1129
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:31,159
Speaker 4: Was that is that how he was able to rent

1130
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,760
rent the nuke for his for his island party?

1131
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 7: Being in that film, Well, what John said also reminded me.

1132
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,359
Speaker 6: I forgot about this. We don't ever we don't talk

1133
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,880
much because we're adults. But uh, you know, video games

1134
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,000
have a lot of programming and predictive aspects to it too,

1135
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:55,399
and all that because you know, a lot of the

1136
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,560
younger generation I don't really care about movies. They'd rather

1137
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,319
watch or play video games and you know all these

1138
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,159
It may be the biggest video game uh franchise ever.

1139
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:09,840
Now I don't I don't really keep up with I

1140
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,800
don't know, but you know, the Black Ops series, they're

1141
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,119
constantly putting in these storylines that deal with global government

1142
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:19,960
and you know, false flag terror and all this kind

1143
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,439
of stuff. But the the technology that they put into

1144
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,439
every one of the Black Ops games, which is obviously

1145
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,199
like a recruitment thing to try to get young people.

1146
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,279
Speaker 1: Oh you know, if you.

1147
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 6: Join the military, you can use all this cool tech

1148
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,520
and you know, you can scale a building with this

1149
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:38,159
you know, dark pages.

1150
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 1: But that's the thing.

1151
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, the drones are all coordinated with the Yeah, the

1152
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:47,119
soldiers implants and all that kind of stuff. Point being

1153
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:49,479
John's right that even the video games show you that.

1154
01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the title of one of the series is

1155
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,840
black ops. Modern warfare. Right, so modern warfare.

1156
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,199
Speaker 6: Is not is not fought like like it used to be,

1157
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:05,000
meaning it's fought with drones. Uh, you know all this

1158
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:09,000
kind of this kind of high tech stuff, darpest stuff.

1159
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,279
So the idea that you're going to have these you know,

1160
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:15,319
ground forces that fought in the you know, the old

1161
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,520
post renaissance style of warfare is ridiculous.

1162
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh.

1163
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 4: We talked about too, how they've yeah, even in the

1164
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,319
Bond films, you know, this is and this goes back

1165
01:13:26,399 --> 01:13:33,000
kind of ways. Yeah, this fetish fetishizing technology, gadgetry and

1166
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:35,880
stuff like that. And then yeah, of course now you're

1167
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,560
seeing it with it within these games and all this

1168
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,880
stuff where it's like oh yes, oh you spot your

1169
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,640
enemy out with your little hover drone and then you

1170
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,960
uh yeah, you can you know, kill remotely and all

1171
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,840
this other stuff. Yes, it's just this really grotesque, uh

1172
01:13:55,159 --> 01:14:02,000
kind of hyper violent tech culture that's being created. And

1173
01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:07,319
like h yeah, now and then with the uh, with

1174
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:13,159
the drones and all that too. It's interesting how it is,

1175
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,439
you know, how how closely it parallels video games, Like

1176
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,920
you you're watching something on a screen and it's almost

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like so so even the visuals are sort of you know,

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01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,079
I guess like they'll use different kind of like thermal

1179
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,520
imaging and stuff like that. So it's it's almost like

1180
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,640
you're not looking at anything real, right, and they're sitting

1181
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,079
in Nevada somewhere, and they're remote controlling these things and

1182
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:39,920
you know, shooting people up and dropping hellfire missiles or

1183
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,520
whatever they're doing out of these things. And it's like and.

1184
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,079
Speaker 6: You're gonna, like so in the future, you're gonna you know,

1185
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:49,920
walk up to a group of enemy combatants or whatever,

1186
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,439
and you've got like the terminator thing in your eye.

1187
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,479
You've got a like a Google uh Google Contacts, and

1188
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,760
you can see the you know, enemies are going to

1189
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,399
be identified, and it pulls them up.

1190
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: And then because you've.

1191
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 6: Got an implant, you know, in your brain or whatever,

1192
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:10,359
or you can make the decision through retinal retinal movement,

1193
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,760
right that the drones that are linked up to your

1194
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,079
to your contact lenses or whatever can attack, you know,

1195
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:19,680
from the sky and you can switch from your your

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01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,720
vision from the first person, you can switch up to

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,399
the vanished point of.

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01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: The of the drone. Right, all this kind of crazy stuff.

1199
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,359
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I've thought this too, that maybe they could

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01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:35,279
have well, I guess this is totally at this point

1201
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:40,399
technologically possible that they can have some kid, like, you know,

1202
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:45,199
literally in a basement thinking that they're playing Xbox and

1203
01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:49,239
they're controlling a drone or what have you, but actually

1204
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:54,159
it's it's uplinked to a actual drone and some actual

1205
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,079
battlefield somewhere, and then they have no clue that they're

1206
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:58,520
actually killing real people.

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,239
Speaker 6: You should write I find novels, Chris, because that is

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01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:07,880
the plot of the award winning so I Fi novel Enders.

1209
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 4: Game Enders Game huh Yeah.

1210
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: And there's a movie too. And what they did was

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:13,640
they got.

1212
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,399
Speaker 6: This kid who is a spoiler alert, who's like the

1213
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:22,399
best video game strategy type guy, and they recruit him.

1214
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,079
Speaker 1: And they have.

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01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:30,359
Speaker 6: This big war gaming simulation exercise which is like a

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01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:33,560
tournament in the military that he's in the sort of

1217
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,520
futuristic military thing, and he thinks he's winning a tournament,

1218
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,000
but the dude is so good that he's actually linked

1219
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:42,199
up to the actual battle at which he finds out

1220
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:42,680
at the end.

1221
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:44,319
Speaker 3: Wow.

1222
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that came out in nineteen eighty five or

1223
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,640
the book, and then they made a movie off of

1224
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:49,800
it in twenty thirteen.

1225
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, and that is the plot.

1226
01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:53,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1227
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 4: Oh well yeah, well, I mean they have the controller

1228
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:01,920
that's on the on the PlayStation.

1229
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:03,399
Speaker 3: I have.

1230
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:09,279
Speaker 4: I have this footage save somewhere there, and they're going,

1231
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:12,399
they're talking, they're talking about they're in the battlefield and

1232
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,800
they're interviewing like a soldier and he's talking about, you know,

1233
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:21,640
he's controlling this drone or it's some kind of a

1234
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,479
you know, like a Johnny five robot that killed the

1235
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,119
guy in Dallas or something like that, one of those things.

1236
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,159
And uh, it pans down and he has a freaking

1237
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:37,119
PlayStation controller in his hand. It's like it is like verbatim,

1238
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:40,520
the same controller like into his deal plugged into a

1239
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,319
thing controlling this drone or it looks just like it.

1240
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:45,159
I don't know if it's exact same controller, but.

1241
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,159
Speaker 6: It well, I wouldn't be surprised because you know, all

1242
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,159
the video game stuff comes out of the Pentagon.

1243
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it all comes out of the Pentagon.

1244
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:52,119
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

1245
01:17:52,279 --> 01:17:56,039
Speaker 4: Like I've done a lot of research into that and

1246
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,880
had planned to put it, put it into a documentary,

1247
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,039
but it just keeps on getting sidetracked. But anyway, Uh,

1248
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:09,960
they they are totally responsible for the whole existence of

1249
01:18:10,079 --> 01:18:15,840
computer generated imagery. That all came out of uh you know,

1250
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:21,279
university grants out of the Defense Department, and then it

1251
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,680
you know, evolved into the UH stuff that later the

1252
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,479
next computer system that was like used uh extensively in

1253
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,039
processing of satellite supposed satellite data imagery and all that

1254
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:39,399
stuff that was that that was a big initial contract

1255
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:47,720
with that eventually got uh transmorgified into uh industrial light

1256
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:53,520
magic and uh that and that was the start of

1257
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,680
digital editing of film and all that stuff.

1258
01:18:57,079 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 6: And then Disney starts doing it, which I'm sure is

1259
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,239
tied in.

1260
01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:01,039
Speaker 1: To all the same stuff.

1261
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:06,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then because Pixar and all that comes out.

1262
01:19:06,279 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 6: Well remember even before that, you had tron Tron back right,

1263
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:15,119
and that was something and everybody was blown away, you

1264
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,239
know because that was like the matrix before the matrix,

1265
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:20,720
you know, whoa all this computer stuff? And then they

1266
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:26,399
did I remember watching the DVD commentary on the eighties

1267
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,359
movie it's like nineteen eighty four or five called Last Starfighter,

1268
01:19:32,319 --> 01:19:34,119
you know, where the guy plays the video game, which

1269
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:36,079
I need to do an analysis of that because that's

1270
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:38,319
exactly the whole point of that movie is what we're

1271
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,680
talking about. He plays this video game. If you remember,

1272
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,520
he's just this poor kid in a trailer park and

1273
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,239
he's so good at the video game that that these

1274
01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:52,079
beings come and they recruit him to fight in this

1275
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:57,159
intergalactic you know, battle with these evil aliens, right, in

1276
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:01,520
other words, the Pentagon, who are the quote beings?

1277
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,239
Speaker 1: Right, We'll recruit people based on video games, and so

1278
01:20:06,279 --> 01:20:07,359
that's whole plot of that movie.

1279
01:20:07,399 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 6: But if you watch the DVD commentary, that movie was

1280
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,199
famous because it was one of the first movies that

1281
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:19,920
used entire scenes that were completely CGI. Tron still had actors,

1282
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,479
you know, interfacing with a kind of half computer generated.

1283
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: Imagery and all that.

1284
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:31,279
Speaker 6: But in The Last Starfighter there's entire scenes, pretty extensive

1285
01:20:31,279 --> 01:20:32,840
scenes too, that are completely CGI.

1286
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:35,239
Speaker 1: That's one of the first or the first.

1287
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 6: It's not very good graphics now, obviously, but at the

1288
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,640
time it was a pretty big deal. And then of

1289
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,720
course you made the great point, and I brought this

1290
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,119
up on boiler Room several times because the guy, the

1291
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:49,960
host of boiler Room has sure he's a big tech

1292
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,960
guy and he's done a lot of work with the

1293
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,920
graphic design type stuff, and so he was very interested

1294
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,000
to hear about Paul Devavac, which is you brought him

1295
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,960
to my attention and you just look at Paul devavak

1296
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:03,760
career and you know, you can see him going straight

1297
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,479
from university to matrix to.

1298
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, government type work.

1299
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a relatively recently a new project that was

1300
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,920
set up to see what happens is you have the

1301
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,600
military development technology. The technology of course gets adopted and

1302
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,800
assimulated into the private sector. The private sector takes it,

1303
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,319
develops it for different applications, mainly like you know, films,

1304
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:38,000
video games, entertainment, you know type type consumables.

1305
01:21:38,039 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: And then it.

1306
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,159
Speaker 4: Then then the military takes it and reabsorbs that and

1307
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:45,479
uses it for like you got the example of like

1308
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,359
the Doom three D first person shooter was one of

1309
01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:55,119
the very first ones of those, and then the Marines

1310
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:59,560
take it and use it and do their own version

1311
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,119
of it and use it for training, and then it

1312
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:05,079
kind of goes, uh, you know, back and forth in between.

1313
01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:08,840
But yeah, it's it's it is all all of that.

1314
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:12,079
All of our modern everything we know today is that

1315
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:17,880
shapes modern entertainment came right out of these military projects.

1316
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 6: And that's what Quigley said A long time ago was

1317
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,560
that you know, we know this now, but quickly pointed

1318
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,439
out that the a lot so many of these tech

1319
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:34,199
developments that we we think come out of competition and

1320
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:36,560
you know, free market enterprise and all this kind of

1321
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:43,640
stuff actually comes out of military industrial complex weapons research.

1322
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:48,359
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's how the uh, well you'll see those

1323
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:52,520
tournament games where they're all sitting at their individual computers

1324
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,239
and they'll be in a big you know, conference hall

1325
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:58,399
or something like that having these tournaments. Well that's that's uh,

1326
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:03,000
the initial apps of that technology was for war game simulators,

1327
01:23:04,039 --> 01:23:05,960
and that's what you're looking at when you're looking at that,

1328
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:11,880
you're just looking at an adaptation of wargame simulators. And uh,

1329
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,560
you think about it, those multi multi network computers of

1330
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,880
course that came you just got to talking about the

1331
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,760
Internet and how that came out of the military course.

1332
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:26,720
But then yeah, also the multiplayer you know, virtual environments

1333
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,239
and stuff that you know, you have multiple multiplayers and

1334
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:33,079
then you know you you have your avatar inside of

1335
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:39,399
the virtual environment, and that all is uh yeah, just

1336
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:44,199
a just a different uh military simulator, which war gaming

1337
01:23:44,319 --> 01:23:46,640
goes back even you know, prior to that, with you know,

1338
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,560
they initially had board games and stuff like that, and

1339
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,039
then it got later developed into you know, of course

1340
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,399
different types of video games, and then you know, computer

1341
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,920
assisted and then it you know, of course, then virtual

1342
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,800
simulate environments. But there's a our I have two that

1343
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:08,960
where I think it's from nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine,

1344
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:15,960
and it says the military is interested in creating the

1345
01:24:17,079 --> 01:24:20,760
hollow deck, you know the Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah,

1346
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,079
so they are that is one of their goal off.

1347
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,640
I think they're probably well along to achieving that, if

1348
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,359
they haven't already achieved it. But like the you know,

1349
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,520
the hollow Deck, it's in the Star Trek films where

1350
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,640
they go into like a well, the same concept that's

1351
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,000
represented in the Matrix, right, it's the the Matrix to

1352
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:42,560
the Matrix films kind of takes it onto a different

1353
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,000
tangent where like people are actually born into it. But

1354
01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:47,279
the concept was already there with Star Trek and then

1355
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:53,199
but you know, the idea that the military, oh got

1356
01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:56,039
the idea after the fact and then in the late nineties.

1357
01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:59,159
That's that's pretty ridiculous when you look at the actual

1358
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:01,960
history where all this stuff came from. But of yeah,

1359
01:25:02,039 --> 01:25:03,920
that's one of the persons they wanted to recruit with

1360
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,039
Paul Devibek and UH. He worked on the Matrix films.

1361
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:13,000
He's the one that's attributed to all the UH, all

1362
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:19,000
the groundbreaking special effects with the the the neo getting

1363
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,560
dodging bullets, you know, and dodging and then he's got

1364
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,880
the three hundred sixty degree fly around which everything you

1365
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,640
see in the background is completely one hundred percent c

1366
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:34,079
G I and UH. And then people will come back

1367
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:36,199
at me and saying, you know, if you're proposing that

1368
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,119
a lot of the footage on nine to eleven was fake,

1369
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,239
which I believe that, you know, you're largely looking at

1370
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:49,399
fabricated UH. And this was the this was the debut

1371
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:56,520
of a full blown psychological operation that incorporates his technology.

1372
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,399
And if you look at the timing of it all

1373
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,960
it all fits. And then there's all so reference to

1374
01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:04,960
this very thing in films that have come after the fact,

1375
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,640
like the film The Congress where they where they're in

1376
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,000
You've seen that film, right, I think said that before,

1377
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:16,520
where it's about taking and digitizing actors and saving the

1378
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,600
digit file and then they could they can act in

1379
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,279
whatever scenario or whatever movie you want. But there's a

1380
01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:23,880
nine to eleven reference in that scene where she's getting

1381
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,279
scanned in, and I said, wow, that's interesting because that's,

1382
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:29,720
you know, right in line with all this stuff I'm

1383
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,239
digging up.

1384
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:32,159
Speaker 1: And well, don't forget too.

1385
01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 6: That might be the reason why, or a kind of

1386
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:39,479
secret reason reference why the matrix has the reference to

1387
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,800
nine to eleven. If you remember, you know, what's one

1388
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,920
of the famous predictive programming things where Neo's birth date.

1389
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: On his passport.

1390
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 4: That's a good point. It's nine to eleven exactly that way.

1391
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then what is nine to eleven?

1392
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,279
Speaker 6: Well, it could be this manifestation of this psychological warfare

1393
01:26:57,319 --> 01:27:00,239
that implements like you're saying, the CGI.

1394
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:06,319
Speaker 4: What interesting real matrix? That would be the Yeah.

1395
01:27:06,359 --> 01:27:09,079
Speaker 6: Also, the first time, I think first time I came

1396
01:27:09,119 --> 01:27:13,159
on Afternoon Commune, we spoke about the first season at

1397
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:17,720
that time of Black Mirror, and Black Mirror season three

1398
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,039
is just now complete, I think, with a few more

1399
01:27:22,079 --> 01:27:25,680
episodes than most of those seasons, And of course every

1400
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:30,399
episode of Black Mirror deals with dystopic technology, and this

1401
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,479
season is everything that we've been talking about. So the

1402
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:39,079
season primarily deals with augmented reality and so if you

1403
01:27:39,119 --> 01:27:40,720
remember that, it makes me think of that video that

1404
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,560
you put up a couple of months ago about the

1405
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,119
tech guy talking about how there'll be like these points

1406
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:49,800
in the future and everybody playing these little games about

1407
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,359
oh I got more points because I brushed my teeth

1408
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,760
this morning, and yeah, gamification of yes. So the very

1409
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:01,840
first episode of Black Mirror this season is a near

1410
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,199
future dystopia where everybody lives in these kind of ecological

1411
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:12,439
friendly suburban I don't know how to describe it. It's very, very,

1412
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,960
very weird, kind of Tim Burton esque future where, if

1413
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,199
you remember Edward Scissorhands, like everything, everybody lives in these

1414
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:23,800
cookie cutter suburbs, and the whole society, this is what's

1415
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:29,000
crazy about it is a hierarchy based on how everybody's

1416
01:28:29,119 --> 01:28:33,479
rated everything and how you've been rated, So your points,

1417
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,119
on your likes on Facebook or your whole your whole

1418
01:28:37,159 --> 01:28:41,279
Internet basically is integrated into when people walk up and

1419
01:28:41,319 --> 01:28:44,239
they see you, then you pop up on their phone

1420
01:28:44,399 --> 01:28:48,640
or in their Google goggles or their contacts and they

1421
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,640
see you and they rate you. So the whole system

1422
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,720
is based on like the upper class or the people

1423
01:28:54,800 --> 01:29:01,119
that have five stars. So it was just very very dystopic.

1424
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,680
But that episode was really good. And then there's another episode.

1425
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,159
The next two or three are actually just purely based

1426
01:29:08,199 --> 01:29:13,880
on augmented reality. And then there's another warfare episode that is.

1427
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: Exactly what we're talking about. Get this, where.

1428
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,399
Speaker 6: In the future the soldiers have a chip that controls,

1429
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:25,840
of course, how they perceive reality under the guise of

1430
01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:27,720
kind of what I was talking about earlier with this,

1431
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,720
the idea of oh, you're like the Terminator soldier, and

1432
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,800
you've got this screen that comes up into.

1433
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Your visual area cortex or whatever.

1434
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 6: And you can, you know, you can profile people and

1435
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,479
all this kind of stuff and get their history and

1436
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:45,520
all this blah blah blah.

1437
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, what the plot.

1438
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,159
Speaker 6: Is that this I'm not going to spoil everything, but

1439
01:29:50,359 --> 01:29:54,960
it's interesting because the plot is that the soldiers are

1440
01:29:55,000 --> 01:30:01,319
programmed to see the enemies as these inhuman aberration but

1441
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,960
the reality is that the people that they're attacking are humans,

1442
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:11,479
but they're just perceived to be animals. And I thought

1443
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,720
that was interesting on two levels because on one level,

1444
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,680
obviously military people are programmed, you know, to view their

1445
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:22,439
enemies as in human they're dehumanized, and then on another level,

1446
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,520
like you could take it literally, though maybe in the

1447
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,199
future they really will, you know, put a chip in

1448
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:29,680
somebody's brain to where the perception that you.

1449
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,159
Speaker 1: Get is augmented reality, that you actually see this being

1450
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:38,239
as like a you know, in human Well, yeah.

1451
01:30:38,119 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean that is well, that's sort of yeah, right,

1452
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,119
that's already taking place on one level, and that just

1453
01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:50,880
takes it to another another integration of the same kind

1454
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:55,680
of concept where yeah, instead of just propaganda methods, it's

1455
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:04,159
even you know, technology, I guess feasible.

1456
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:04,079
Speaker 1: To do that.

1457
01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you see this game.

1458
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 6: The well, that's what the pulp, that's the Pokemon go

1459
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,920
right moving you everybody in the direction of I guess

1460
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:17,880
before total matrix, you need the the stage of augmented

1461
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,439
reality where you're you've got contacts or something that you know,

1462
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,600
allows you to kind of have an a synthetic overlay

1463
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:27,680
right of your your visual field.

1464
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1465
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,079
Speaker 4: And how all of this stuff is going to work

1466
01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:36,560
itself out into the real world, I guess is anybody's guess.

1467
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,399
But yeah, I think the matrix probably well, I do

1468
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,960
believe that it already exists. I mean we like one

1469
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,239
thing that I ran across and looking into this stuff

1470
01:31:47,359 --> 01:31:52,159
is like, well, so people probably they got they get

1471
01:31:52,199 --> 01:31:55,079
they get all their you know, their ideas about what

1472
01:31:55,279 --> 01:31:58,479
CGI is from watching films, right, I mean, and and

1473
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,840
a lot of it, you know, to this day is

1474
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,920
you know, you can look at something and especially like

1475
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,399
animals and stuff, and you say, oh, that's that's a

1476
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,800
CGI rendering. Uh you know, maybe pretty good, but it's

1477
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,560
fairly convincing, but it's you know, still CGI.

1478
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Well we're being given older versions of it.

1479
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,159
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I even I've even said this before. I

1480
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:25,279
think a lot of this stuff, even on like Animal

1481
01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:29,840
Planet and stuff, is CGI rendered, uh, animals and stuff.

1482
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,039
Because you look at some of it and I said, man,

1483
01:32:32,119 --> 01:32:35,439
that is just too good, Like how how how they

1484
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,520
they captured? You know, and then you get I'm thinking

1485
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,960
it's like, well, I mean this can be synthetically rendered

1486
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,520
at this point because now the technology I got stuff

1487
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,039
from like the seventies, from early you know, defense department

1488
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:55,239
stuff where they're demonstrating computer generated imagery and it it

1489
01:32:55,239 --> 01:32:57,359
exceeds the stuff that came out in the nineties, the

1490
01:32:57,399 --> 01:33:03,319
early nineties with the initial sort of experimental stuff out

1491
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:05,760
of Pixar. And it's like, you know, as far as

1492
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,479
rendering quality, and it's like, well, they didn't even have Well. See,

1493
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,000
here's another important aspect to keep in mind is the

1494
01:33:13,039 --> 01:33:16,399
processing power that's available. And if you're talking about an

1495
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:20,600
organization that has virtually unlimited budgets like the military does,

1496
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,960
of course they're going to have greater processing power. But see,

1497
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,920
the principle is already there. You know, ray tracing and

1498
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,359
stuff like that, where you can you know, simulate photo

1499
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:37,000
realistic environments. The limitation on it is the processing power.

1500
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,079
And according to the stuff I read, that you need

1501
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:46,560
a petaflop, which is like, you know, standard desktop computers

1502
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:52,079
are operating on gigahertz. Petaflop is what a thousand gigahertz

1503
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:55,399
or something on that order, maybe even more. I'm not

1504
01:33:55,479 --> 01:34:00,399
exactly sure, but even official sources they've exceeded that a

1505
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:04,680
long time ago. And another interesting thing is that if

1506
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,960
you look at these big supercomputers that the military has

1507
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:15,399
or the government has, uh and the chips that they use,

1508
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:21,159
because there's these big arrays, you know, there's these interlinked

1509
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:29,319
network computers that share processing cycles, and there'll be hundreds

1510
01:34:29,359 --> 01:34:33,239
and hundreds of these things and in racks, you know,

1511
01:34:33,399 --> 01:34:39,239
rack mounted systems, and guess what the actual chip set

1512
01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:44,359
that they use in these things, is the exact they

1513
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:51,920
use the chip that's in the PlayStation PlayStation. Yeah, and

1514
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,399
they say that, oh well, you know, because you know,

1515
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,720
the question naturally comes up is like what are you

1516
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,840
doing with all of this process and power? It's like, oh,

1517
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,439
we will we use it to keep track of the

1518
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:11,800
nuke uh inventory. It's like, yeah, yeah, that's really interesting,

1519
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:14,079
keep track of the nuke inventory. You need that much

1520
01:35:14,119 --> 01:35:17,279
processing power to keep track of the nuke inventory? You know.

1521
01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:19,399
It's like, uh, I don't, I don't.

1522
01:35:19,279 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Couldn't he couldn't, couldn't quick books keep track.

1523
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 4: Like an Xcel spreadsheet. It's like they need they need,

1524
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:33,880
uh the road Runner super pedophalop computer to do all this.

1525
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:37,000
It's like, yeah, I don't think so, but that's the

1526
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:40,079
official story on it. But yeah, well it's the damn

1527
01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:43,680
matrix is in there. I think. Yeah, I mean you

1528
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,800
can take uh, well, you you've seen the video games.

1529
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:52,560
They're about there. As far as photo realism, it's just

1530
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,880
like I said, the limits are the processing power to

1531
01:35:57,039 --> 01:36:02,359
render things fully you know, photo realistic, and uh I

1532
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,079
think they've had it, you know, well they had it. Well,

1533
01:36:05,119 --> 01:36:08,079
you I think you saw the results on nine to eleven.

1534
01:36:08,199 --> 01:36:12,119
I mean, that's now throwing that out there. You know

1535
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:16,479
why why I think that is so is because you

1536
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,960
talk about as a knowing the nature of the military

1537
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,560
what it really is, and the concept of perception management,

1538
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,000
and like, you know, you gave that hissed Kissinger quote,

1539
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:30,199
that's not what what's really real that matters is what's

1540
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,880
perceived is real. It's like, of course they would that

1541
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,800
would that would be the like an ultimate.

1542
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: Ultimate Yeah, exactly, the ultimate weapon.

1543
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 4: And you can make any scenario that you want anywhere

1544
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,039
in the world that you want because you have the

1545
01:36:45,079 --> 01:36:48,560
world in a simulated.

1546
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 6: Yes, and who's and who's going to go investigate to

1547
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,560
see if what you're saying is fake? And then if

1548
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,479
even if they do, nobody's gonna believe it because they'll

1549
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,000
have forgotten two weeks later.

1550
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 4: Right, and people are ignorant about what actually exists and

1551
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,760
knowledge the power to keep it, keep it under wraps

1552
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:19,800
and gives some just ridiculous story about why they need

1553
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,319
all that process or exactly what they're doing with it.

1554
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,560
Now I can I understand too. That is it's also

1555
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:30,119
used for you know, modeling, you know, complex systems, and

1556
01:37:30,119 --> 01:37:32,960
stuff like that, which they've rented out to do that

1557
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,159
sort of thing to you know, scientific institutions and all that,

1558
01:37:36,199 --> 01:37:41,439
and I understand that, but it yeah, it's I think

1559
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,720
it's really telling that it's the uh, it's basically a

1560
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,159
giant PlayStation four.

1561
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 6: There you go, that's the best way to put it. Well,

1562
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:55,680
I didn't, yeah, exactly. And then you run simulations to

1563
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,159
see what the most likely outcomes of different actions would be.

1564
01:38:00,319 --> 01:38:02,520
Speaker 4: No, I think that too. I think that's an element

1565
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:06,359
of this. Well, it's been referred to as sentient world

1566
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:13,520
simulation and that there's some public stuff about that. And

1567
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:18,520
now you'll hear that they can predict with the over

1568
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,800
ninety percent accuracy certain outcomes of certain things. I don't

1569
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:22,600
know if that's true.

1570
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Who knows that that's just propaganda right right?

1571
01:38:25,319 --> 01:38:28,560
Speaker 4: Could be just propaganda. And it kind of is reminiscent

1572
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:36,680
of the nukes, Yeah, nukes or you know what, you know,

1573
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:42,640
gauging people's reactions. I think maybe so that they could

1574
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:45,079
get some accurate modeling on that. I don't know. But

1575
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:49,439
then also the concept of pre crime, so they're even

1576
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:54,279
saying that, oh, we can predict when a robbery will

1577
01:38:54,319 --> 01:38:56,439
take place in a city or something like that. It's like,

1578
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,199
I don't know about that, but that's what they're saying.

1579
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:01,800
I mean, they're saying all this stuff. They're making all

1580
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,600
these claims surrounding this, uh these systems, and.

1581
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think they're really actually able to predict

1582
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,560
where the crime is going to happen. I think that

1583
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:14,840
they're saying that so that they can sell the implementation

1584
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:21,279
of the next level of the surveillance simulation grid.

1585
01:39:23,079 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you can create the belief in that, right,

1586
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,319
then that's yeah, that's really remnant, remini is it of

1587
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:36,000
I'm already report or or even like the Stazzy and

1588
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,800
the Soviet Union kind of stuff, they would do like

1589
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:40,239
come and snatch you, and it's like, oh, you're a

1590
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:44,479
thought criminal or something exactly, or you know, you got

1591
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:47,640
flagged in our pre crime system. You're about to commit

1592
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:51,079
a rhyme. But it's like I didn't even know that

1593
01:39:51,239 --> 01:39:55,239
I was about to, uh take this machete and drop

1594
01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:57,199
down some weeds in my freaking yard. I don't know.

1595
01:39:57,239 --> 01:40:00,800
It's like, yeah, whatever, you know, I don't No, that's

1596
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:02,760
maybe that might be a little far fetched, but.

1597
01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 6: Well no, actually I've said it many times that that's

1598
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:10,960
what she says it in her lectures the IBM CEO,

1599
01:40:12,119 --> 01:40:15,199
she says that they're going to implement. Now, I mean,

1600
01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:17,720
she may just be maybe may just be a selling

1601
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,840
point for what she's trying to push, but she literally

1602
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,600
says it's pre crime like Minority Report in her lectures

1603
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,239
when she talks about the smart cities.

1604
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,560
Speaker 4: Oh well, they'll they'll be pre crime programs implemented, that's

1605
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:36,239
what you say. Literally, Yeah, yeah, well I yeah, well

1606
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:38,960
that I guess I changed my mind just now on

1607
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:46,359
that because I've certainly seen enough stuff out there where

1608
01:40:46,399 --> 01:40:51,159
there are creating where they're where they're creating the perception

1609
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:53,680
in people's minds. I mean, you see, well, it was

1610
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,159
one one film I watched, which I try to I

1611
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,840
try to look at anything that's supposed to be you know,

1612
01:41:01,159 --> 01:41:04,319
dystopian or something like that, future science fiction and stuff

1613
01:41:04,359 --> 01:41:08,760
like that. I kind of like science fiction. But yeah,

1614
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:12,039
you see a lot of stuff in these films and uh, well.

1615
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, well the uh.

1616
01:41:20,079 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 4: I was trying to think of the name of it,

1617
01:41:22,079 --> 01:41:24,880
the dang oh judge dread.

1618
01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah. In fact, I was

1619
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:29,359
thinking about that.

1620
01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:35,359
Speaker 6: The other day because the topic of the the megacities

1621
01:41:35,359 --> 01:41:37,199
and the smart cities came up, and I was thinking, well,

1622
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:38,439
show that's actually.

1623
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: That's a great symbolic.

1624
01:41:42,199 --> 01:41:45,119
Speaker 6: Presentation, because you've got everybody living in this giant high rise,

1625
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:49,720
you know, and there's like eight of them, and you know,

1626
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,640
under the guise of the fact that you know, the

1627
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:55,079
population is too too huge in this megacity, so we

1628
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:57,680
got to build upward because we can't build you know, outward.

1629
01:41:58,479 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

1630
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 6: And then everybody's under this total police state surveillance exactly.

1631
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 4: And then like one of the characters in there is psychic,

1632
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:12,800
so she can see the future.

1633
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she works for the cops.

1634
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, she works for the cops. And then

1635
01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:21,920
so so she can see the future. So that's there's

1636
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:29,680
another example of of getting across the concept that the well, yeah,

1637
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,039
the cops can see in the police and the authorities

1638
01:42:32,039 --> 01:42:36,319
can see into the future now and all that, which

1639
01:42:36,399 --> 01:42:38,920
is of course the theme of Minority Report and these

1640
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,800
other I know, there's other examples. I can't think of

1641
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:43,560
him right now.

1642
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:44,199
Speaker 1: But well, the.

1643
01:42:46,119 --> 01:42:50,119
Speaker 6: If you listen to the CEE the IBM CEO's talk,

1644
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:52,720
she gives these two or three of their's on the

1645
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,640
IBM YouTube channel. She gives these talks in Singapore and

1646
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,960
Rio and she says, you know, in the next few years,

1647
01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:06,479
we plan to convert Singapore and Rio into operating smart cities.

1648
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: And so who is her name. Her name is Jenny Romedy.

1649
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 6: She's the CEO of IBM, and she's given these talks

1650
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,760
and she's saying, you're basically selling it to all these

1651
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,479
corporate tech head people and the audience of these of

1652
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,199
these two cities, and she's saying, Oh, it's gonna be

1653
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:28,880
so great because you know what we I'm not joking,

1654
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:30,760
this is what she's I'm not saying that it really

1655
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,600
they really can really do it. I'm just saying this

1656
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,760
is her selling point is she says, we're going to

1657
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,800
have everybody in the cities medical records uploaded to the

1658
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,880
central database of the the AI system that's going to

1659
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:47,680
run the city. All the infrastructure of the city will

1660
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,279
be tied in, It'll be r F I D, it'll

1661
01:43:50,319 --> 01:43:54,039
all be you know, the net everywhere, Internet everywhere, obviously,

1662
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,960
and she says anywhere that you go and that what

1663
01:43:59,159 --> 01:44:02,520
you do, you're going to be perfectly safe because we

1664
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:07,760
will have the ability through the predictive algorithms to implement

1665
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:12,800
pre crime, and she literally says that, Now, obviously that's

1666
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,720
probably propaganda, and I don't think that they, like you said,

1667
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,399
can they really predict the future with ninety percent accuracy?

1668
01:44:18,399 --> 01:44:24,319
Who knows, But that is her selling point for implementing.

1669
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,039
Speaker 1: The RIO and Singapore smart Cities.

1670
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 4: Well, Jay, doesn't that make you feel safe and secure

1671
01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:34,000
and war them all over?

1672
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:35,079
Speaker 1: Well?

1673
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 6: I know it's true because I had a friend who

1674
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,199
worked at low level at IBM and his job, his

1675
01:44:40,279 --> 01:44:42,520
whole job, this is like four.

1676
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,079
Speaker 1: Or five years ago, before he moved on to a

1677
01:44:44,119 --> 01:44:44,520
new job.

1678
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,319
Speaker 6: His whole job was to just walk in, go into

1679
01:44:48,319 --> 01:44:53,079
this giant room full of scanners, and his section was

1680
01:44:53,159 --> 01:44:59,479
tasked with scanning every soldier military records, excuse me, that

1681
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,279
medical rec So the only reason he had to have

1682
01:45:02,319 --> 01:45:06,439
a security clearance was just because he was scanning soldier stuff.

1683
01:45:07,079 --> 01:45:08,720
But all he did all day was sit there and

1684
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,840
take this big chunk stack, stick it in this machine

1685
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:16,000
and scanned it for Xerox slash IBM.

1686
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 4: So they're So what you're saying is that they're aggregating

1687
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,319
everybody's records as we speak right now.

1688
01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 6: I believe that absolutely, and that's what Google. Google did

1689
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,520
the same thing with you know, Google books. Remember how

1690
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,760
they were It was in the news, you.

1691
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:34,359
Speaker 1: Know A Jones Jones used to talk about it five

1692
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:35,039
or six years ago.

1693
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:38,399
Speaker 6: Folks, Google's putting every book. They're taking every book. Folks,

1694
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:42,800
They're gonna take every book. Now, that's true. That's true

1695
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,239
in a sense. They have digitized, not every book. I

1696
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:48,560
don't know how you could. That would take forever. But

1697
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,680
but I can tell you for a fact that you

1698
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,000
know they've been digitizing everybody's medical records.

1699
01:45:55,079 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that yeah, yeah, I imagine that's true. And

1700
01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:04,399
as the books, yeah, the but well, yeah, you can

1701
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:08,000
go in and and which is actually pretty cool on

1702
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,319
one level though, I mean the Google Books because you

1703
01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:13,800
can search within copies of books, which is pretty pretty

1704
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,960
freaking fantastic. I mean, I think it's a great application

1705
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,119
of technology. I mean, don't get me wrong. But yeah,

1706
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:22,359
on the other hand, it's like, wow, this is like

1707
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,479
one company doing all the sea. Now Google's the military,

1708
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:30,319
Google's the military industrial complex. I'm pins to that.

1709
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

1710
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:34,159
Speaker 4: Somebody sent me something a long time ago, and it

1711
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:36,000
was like, it's just one of those things I haven't

1712
01:46:37,079 --> 01:46:39,319
really gone and talked about or looked at. But yeah,

1713
01:46:39,359 --> 01:46:43,239
the location of Google and where they were, where there were,

1714
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:45,960
their position in relation to like defense contract and all

1715
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:50,720
that stuff. It's like, yeah, obviously just another another extension

1716
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:58,319
of uh uh the complex. But yeah, it's not to

1717
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:02,319
go not to change subjects, but this is something I

1718
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:05,319
wanted to talk about, Like when we and John were

1719
01:47:05,359 --> 01:47:09,800
talking about the debates and and uh, like we we

1720
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,319
just had like an hour there, which is not there

1721
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:15,079
long enough time to kind of go go extensively into

1722
01:47:15,079 --> 01:47:18,399
a lot of stuff. But then I wanted to go

1723
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,920
into pointing out that, Okay, corporations and government are the same,

1724
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,039
Like that's that's another thing I think that needs to

1725
01:47:25,079 --> 01:47:27,399
be pointed out as like Okay, so you have Hillary

1726
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,000
as a representative of government and then you have Trump

1727
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:34,159
representative corporations. But they're the same. I mean, you got

1728
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:36,600
the revolving door between you see it all the time.

1729
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,800
Or you'll have someone that's prominent in corporations go into

1730
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,039
government and back and vice versa, back and forth. Or

1731
01:47:43,079 --> 01:47:46,319
the attorney of Mont Santo go thehead of the Department

1732
01:47:46,359 --> 01:47:54,439
of Agriculture, right or stuff like that, and it it

1733
01:47:55,239 --> 01:47:58,079
I don't think people are that aware of that. Fact

1734
01:47:58,279 --> 01:48:01,840
is that, you know, you're basically essentially referring to the

1735
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:05,960
same entity when you're talking about big government and big

1736
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,600
business because they're they're so integrated and locked at the hip.

1737
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:14,640
It's and and it's obvious on so many levels. But yeah,

1738
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:18,720
the idea that that that Google would be just you know,

1739
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:23,600
a part of the uh you know, the whole military

1740
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,479
industrial complex and everything that that is not far fetched

1741
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:31,960
at all, and that has far more explanatory power as

1742
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,800
far as how they rose to prominence so quickly.

1743
01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think that's obvious.

1744
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,199
Speaker 6: I mean, we know of the backstory with in q

1745
01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:44,199
Tel and Facebook and in q Tel put money into Google.

1746
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 1: That that was in books.

1747
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 6: By CIA people back in two thousand and five.

1748
01:48:49,279 --> 01:48:50,039
Speaker 1: I've got the book.

1749
01:48:50,359 --> 01:48:56,079
Speaker 6: So there's no doubt that I think the entire all

1750
01:48:56,119 --> 01:49:00,239
of that whole complex in Silicon Valley, you know, it's

1751
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:03,479
part of the same entity. And there's this there is

1752
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,600
at a level, you know, this idea of competition. You know,

1753
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,000
Google is going to compete with Facebook maybe at some level,

1754
01:49:11,079 --> 01:49:12,439
but not at the top, No.

1755
01:49:12,399 --> 01:49:16,239
Speaker 4: Way compete with Facebook.

1756
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'll see these articles come out every now and then, like, oh,

1757
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:25,000
Facebook wants to compete with Google over uploading videos, and

1758
01:49:25,079 --> 01:49:30,159
so Facebook's going to limit what can be done with

1759
01:49:30,279 --> 01:49:34,680
links to YouTube because Facebook wants people uploading directly to Facebook. Now,

1760
01:49:35,399 --> 01:49:38,000
I mean, I don't believe there's a real competition between

1761
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,359
Facebook and Google for that. And you remember when Google

1762
01:49:41,399 --> 01:49:45,359
came out with their social networking thing, Google Plus, and

1763
01:49:45,399 --> 01:49:48,319
that was like, oh, Google Plus couldn't compete with Facebook

1764
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:49,039
and all this stuff.

1765
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:54,399
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, they want to create the

1766
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:59,880
perception that there's real competition and yeah, we've talked about

1767
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:04,279
that a lot before, where there is no real competition

1768
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:08,720
that at a certain level. There's real competition on on

1769
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:14,359
the lower level of economy for sure. But then well,

1770
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:17,840
like we're talking on Skype right now, wasn't just Skype

1771
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:22,000
developed by some Swedish company or something and then Microsoft

1772
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:27,560
bought it out exactly, So, which is makes total sense

1773
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:34,159
that Okay, they want to you know, acquire properties instead

1774
01:50:34,199 --> 01:50:37,359
of like going through all the expenditure of R and

1775
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:40,319
D are doing something in development and then maybe it

1776
01:50:40,399 --> 01:50:43,119
might be a big fail or whatever. Just just acquires

1777
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:44,359
something that's already successful.

1778
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:50,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the mid level, let the competitive market happen.

1779
01:50:51,279 --> 01:50:57,279
That's a lot better than exactly trying to manufacture progress.

1780
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:01,840
Why not let it happen and then just acquire whoever's

1781
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:02,840
thing works the best.

1782
01:51:03,319 --> 01:51:05,079
Speaker 4: Oh do you see that article I put on Hope,

1783
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:09,640
so's call dot com the AT and T is gonna

1784
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,000
acquire Time Warner I did.

1785
01:51:12,079 --> 01:51:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1786
01:51:12,359 --> 01:51:17,039
Speaker 6: In fact, I've seen that in some other news postings.

1787
01:51:18,319 --> 01:51:20,359
So yeah, just more consolidation.

1788
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 4: Totally, which that is tremendous, isn't. I mean that is

1789
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:27,199
just over the time AT and T. Think about how

1790
01:51:27,239 --> 01:51:30,039
big AT T is. It's like I got and then

1791
01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:35,119
Time Warner, I mean, Time Warner is not too long ago.

1792
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:40,640
And then that's why it struck me, was that, Yeah,

1793
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,520
didn't we just go through a bunch of acquisitions that

1794
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,000
Time Warner had just got to finish doing, like.

1795
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:50,119
Speaker 1: Exactly too long ago. Yeah, well, Time and then Time

1796
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:51,680
Warner brothers.

1797
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:56,159
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and then they've yeah, and then a whole

1798
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:59,880
bunch of other things, right yeah, and then now a

1799
01:52:00,039 --> 01:52:04,199
T and Time Warner are going to be one. Well yeah,

1800
01:52:04,239 --> 01:52:04,960
and then it goes.

1801
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: AT and T is the world's biggest Internet provider. I

1802
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,640
know because yeah, I worked at AT and T for

1803
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:17,199
a year or so in a T and T in

1804
01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:20,159
sales yeah, just selling iPhones.

1805
01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 6: But I think uh, I think I mentioned it a

1806
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,720
couple of times on like the early chats we had,

1807
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:28,720
like we would take we had to take a bunch

1808
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:32,239
of courses, and we went to the giant Regional Data Center,

1809
01:52:32,279 --> 01:52:34,439
which they even told us when we went there, Uh

1810
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:39,359
in Nashville did it? It stores all the Internet traffic

1811
01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:41,920
for this whole region, which was like three or four states.

1812
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,840
And you go to this facility which was a former

1813
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,439
government facility by the way, and uh, the you can't

1814
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:51,039
go to the lower levels, so you could have like

1815
01:52:51,039 --> 01:52:52,640
a security clearance to go down there.

1816
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 1: And then the lower levels are just all these servers

1817
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,880
that are that's storing all the all the data.

1818
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:00,359
Speaker 6: So they told us that's what they were Yeah, this

1819
01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:03,880
is all the Internet data and traffic for this whole region.

1820
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:05,399
Speaker 1: Wow.

1821
01:53:06,399 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 6: And so by the way that we I was taking

1822
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,880
that class at the time of the snowed and stuff

1823
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,079
first coming out. So I'm sitting here saying, you know,

1824
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:18,319
Snowed's not going to change anything, and people were arguing

1825
01:53:18,359 --> 01:53:19,760
with me at the time. They were like, oh, yeah,

1826
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:21,640
this is this is gonna change the whole system. I

1827
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,239
was like, dude, I just went to the fucking data

1828
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:27,720
center in Nashville and stood on top of the entire

1829
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,039
region's traffic.

1830
01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:31,079
Speaker 1: And I was like, that ain't going to be shut down.

1831
01:53:31,359 --> 01:53:33,199
It's private. It's owned by AT and T.

1832
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,399
Speaker 6: So even if the NSA was shut down, which wouldn't

1833
01:53:36,399 --> 01:53:40,079
happen anyway, the private NSA, which is AT and T,

1834
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:41,319
is still everywhere.

1835
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1836
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,199
Speaker 4: I like how they And here's the thing too, And

1837
01:53:44,199 --> 01:53:47,439
it's all you know, what I harp on constantly is

1838
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:51,600
legal legal, legal ease. It's like, yeah, the government's not

1839
01:53:52,319 --> 01:53:55,600
collecting your data. It's like, okay, so they're not technically

1840
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,079
collecting it, but AT and T is and giving it

1841
01:53:58,079 --> 01:54:01,199
to the government. Like, you know, big difference, right, I mean,

1842
01:54:01,279 --> 01:54:05,119
what's the difference? But no, I mean it now you

1843
01:54:05,159 --> 01:54:09,079
can with with the corporate structure and then the like

1844
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,319
I said, they're all integrated at a certain level with

1845
01:54:12,399 --> 01:54:18,159
the government and corporations. They're they're defined though as distinct entities.

1846
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:23,520
But in all this malleu of all these different you know,

1847
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:29,079
contrivances is artificial, you know, fictions of legal ease and everything.

1848
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:32,760
They can make out any statement and it's like technically

1849
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,880
legally true, no, we didn't do that, But see now

1850
01:54:36,119 --> 01:54:38,279
they did do it, but they didn't do it in

1851
01:54:38,359 --> 01:54:42,359
the way it's going to read on paper, right because

1852
01:54:42,359 --> 01:54:43,079
it's legal ease.

1853
01:54:43,479 --> 01:54:45,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like it reminds me of the people who

1854
01:54:45,359 --> 01:54:48,359
think that they can petition the government for a Foyer

1855
01:54:48,439 --> 01:54:51,439
request and that the government is like that, now we

1856
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:54,079
got to tell the truth that we can't lie because.

1857
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 1: Of a request.

1858
01:54:55,159 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, a foyer request. Yeah yeah, I know. I love that.

1859
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,399
I mean, and and then you know, people will make

1860
01:55:01,439 --> 01:55:03,439
a lot out of it something that came out of

1861
01:55:03,479 --> 01:55:06,840
a FOIA request. Yeah, that's I'm glad you brought that

1862
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,199
up because they're reminding me. Okay, this wiki league stuff.

1863
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:13,079
Now I want to get your take on that. But

1864
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:16,119
before I do, I want to tell you something I

1865
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:22,039
heard somebody's talking about how like in the emails they

1866
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:28,159
exposed the they're talking about UFOs and the disclosure project

1867
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:32,640
in the so I guess it, like m on, now,

1868
01:55:33,039 --> 01:55:38,159
damn it. It's like I I you know, I know,

1869
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I my take on weekileage saying is a scam. I

1870
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mean it's a scam. I mean, come on. But it's

1871
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:46,199
like after I heard that, I was like, yeah, so

1872
01:55:46,359 --> 01:55:50,640
this is just another example of how well this stuff works.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what to make of it, honestly, because

1874
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I've argued all along that it is a scam and

1875
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I do think it still is.

1876
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Speaker 1: And I think that a song just fake and all that.

1877
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Speaker 6: I think a lot of those emails are real though,

1878
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so maybe the luck people like people at the level

1879
01:56:04,119 --> 01:56:07,960
of Podesta and campaign people, they probably don't know like

1880
01:56:08,039 --> 01:56:10,239
how all this stuff really works. They're you know, at

1881
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a certain level, compartmentalized level.

1882
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Speaker 1: And it could be giant theater.

1883
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Speaker 6: Which again, I do think Wiki Leaks is a like

1884
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a limited hangout sort of thing.

1885
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Speaker 1: And that's why you see by the way, Wiki Leaks

1886
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was a big deal.

1887
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Speaker 6: And then when that kind of expired, who's who took

1888
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:36,239
this center stage Snowden. Snowden got old, so they trucked

1889
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out a signe again you.

1890
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Speaker 4: See, Oh, Pamela Anderson poisoned them with the vegetarian so

1891
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he's dead now, right.

1892
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Speaker 6: I don't know, I mean, I don't know. I have

1893
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:53,119
no idea what is going on with all that. I

1894
01:56:53,159 --> 01:56:57,840
don't think it's real, but I don't know what the

1895
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:02,479
deal is, like why because because I do think they're

1896
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,840
real emails. But I've noticed that if you if you

1897
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paid attention to wiki leaks, what they've done is released

1898
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blowney crap and then a little bit of stuff like cables,

1899
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which is not that big of a deal.

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Speaker 1: Uh, so they.

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Speaker 6: Mix, you know, it's kind of great propaganda, Like they'll

1902
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,840
mix a little bit of real leak in with a

1903
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:28,880
bunch of crap and what is called targeted leaks. Like

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there's a good article that Patrick did or somebody to

1905
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me for Central Ward.

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Speaker 1: Don't remember who.

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01:57:32,479 --> 01:57:35,359
Speaker 6: Did it, but it was about the Panama leaks, which

1908
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are pretty clearly targeted leaks. So fake whistle blowing, fake

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leaking is a good a classic tactic to smear people or.

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Speaker 1: Divert or you.

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Speaker 6: Know, make everybody, makes a certain person look look like

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a bad guy on the real bad guys somewhere else.

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So that could be. I mean, I'm not saying I

1914
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do think Hillary Clinton's a bad guy. So yeah, I

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don't know why. I haven't figured out yet why they

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would leak a bunch of stuff just on Hillary, because

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I've been under the impression and I'm not saying that

1918
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Trump's real, I've been under the impression that, oh, you know,

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they're going to go with Hillary and all this, So

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what do you think. I don't I don't know why

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they would if a song just fake? Why would they

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do that? Unless maybe there's like a level of people

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who just.

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Speaker 1: Really don't like Hillary in the government. I guess that's possible,

1925
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but I don't know. What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's almost like Hillary

1927
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is the clear choice, and why come out with damaging

1928
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stuff like up to the election? Why allow it to

1929
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come out? And it was even it was even alluded

1930
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to in the debates, right, Chris Wallace, Yeah, yes, right,

1931
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I I think it is because I've said this too before.

1932
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Speaker 6: It kind of goes like, oh yeah, yeah, I remember

1933
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when we were eating you said that, right, that to

1934
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get rid of the system as it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to. I think that there is how

1936
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long this is going to take. I don't know how

1937
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many more actual elections will be. I have no idea.

1938
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I'm not going to try to make any predictions or anything,

1939
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but yeah, I do think that this current political system. Now,

1940
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something you've talked about a lot too is the rise

1941
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of scientism. Right. You brought this up in Uh it

1942
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doesn't care will quickly reflect.

1943
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Speaker 6: Quiggly has been saying the system as it is has

1944
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to go. So that would seem then to include the

1945
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existing political structure, even already rigged, but to move it

1946
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into a new phase.

1947
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And then you know they've talked about to the

1948
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merger of the Soviet and UH and West, and then

1949
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that's part of the third or third wave, right or

1950
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and the Soviet means rule by council. So they have

1951
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the rise of the n G O S. And then

1952
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at the same time we're seeing this pop this heavy

1953
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move toward the popularization of like science and scientism and

1954
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the Yeah, Oppenheimer I think was the first example of

1955
02:00:26,479 --> 02:00:30,039
what he's like, a theoretical physicist and and you know,

1956
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a science kind of popularist, you know. Tight and then

1957
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you were saying that quickly referred to him as sort

1958
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of this public uh uh now what now what do

1959
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you say that he.

1960
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Speaker 6: Calls him and calls him a great administrator and cultural critic.

1961
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there you go, And that's that who is

1962
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you know, Neil de Grasse Tyson and you know, uh,

1963
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those you know, Bill nine and those type people, you know,

1964
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they're not mitchell O Kaku be a better whenever he's

1965
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a he's a theoretical physicist, Yeah, they're there. They're they're

1966
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these you know popularists, you know science and you know

1967
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:15,079
social commentators among other things. And yeah, they're being really

1968
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played up. I believe in this phase. At the same time,

1969
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the whole conception of politics and the political system is

1970
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being just just just disintegrated, like broken down. And uh,

1971
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I think that's part of it. And I think too

1972
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that it is adds a lot of additional drama to

1973
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:45,399
the whole theatrics. That's part of the whole thing, because

1974
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I think it's inconsequential as far as Hillary supporters go.

1975
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They don't give a damn it's coming out in these emails.

1976
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It could say that Hillary Clinton gave birth to zeno

1977
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:59,479
morph or something. They wouldn't do. It wouldn't matter.

1978
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Speaker 6: She sacrificed babies, and yeah.

1979
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Speaker 4: While giving birth is you know, you know, like you

1980
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know what, any any the most gruesome thing you can

1981
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think of could be in there and it wouldn't Yet

1982
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it wouldn't matter, you know, to the Hillary diehards out

1983
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there that you know, people people are people who vote

1984
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I think in generally speaking, not saying everybody, but people

1985
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:28,079
who I think, generally speaking or vote are just really

1986
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just reactive you know, they're just you know, reflect they reflexively,

1987
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you know and compulsively go and get caught up in

1988
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this sort of psycho drama. It's a psycho dramas.

1989
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like it's like a sports team and

1990
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you know, like people are devoted to, you know, the

1991
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Chicago Bears because they're from Chicago and they've grown up.

1992
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:57,560
You know, dad took them to the football game and

1993
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all this kind of stuff.

1994
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you know, yeah, well we've seen the

1995
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same thing in sports too, where somebody gets brought up

1996
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on some like really serious charges, so you know about

1997
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:11,680
something they did, like to beat the hell out of

1998
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:15,079
their girlfriend or something they almost die or something like that,

1999
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:17,800
and then they get right back out later, right or

2000
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:21,000
they get they're not they're not, Yeah, they're not totally

2001
02:03:21,079 --> 02:03:25,199
disowned by the sports fans of the or you know.

2002
02:03:25,359 --> 02:03:29,800
It's it's a lot of uh yeah, even the worst

2003
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:33,000
kind of crimes, it's not you know, it's different if

2004
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,960
you're a high prominent sports figure. I always saw the

2005
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:39,039
pedophile guy come out with the was the Sandusky and

2006
02:03:39,159 --> 02:03:44,039
uh oh yeah. People you know, make any kind of

2007
02:03:44,199 --> 02:03:46,800
mental gymnastics possible and make excuses for the guy because

2008
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:49,159
he was a hero. He's like sports sports, what did

2009
02:03:49,159 --> 02:03:51,319
he actually do? He coach? He was like the coach

2010
02:03:51,359 --> 02:03:54,239
and stuff. So a really big deal in our society.

2011
02:03:54,279 --> 02:03:56,520
And it's like yeah, and it's like I don't see

2012
02:03:56,520 --> 02:04:02,800
politics is that much difference. It's like like, yeah, who

2013
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:06,399
was like anti identity politics? You know, that's kind of

2014
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:11,279
like something that who was talking about Secker? You know

2015
02:04:11,319 --> 02:04:14,960
Tom Secker? You ever listened to him? Like Tom Secker? Yeah, yeah,

2016
02:04:15,159 --> 02:04:17,439
he kind of emphasized that a lot, and he's talked

2017
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:19,760
he was doing his analysis, and I said, yeah, that

2018
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:22,039
that is true. That is like really being kind of

2019
02:04:23,039 --> 02:04:28,760
uh really fine, really focused in on now. It seems

2020
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:32,800
like the kind of conception of this uh identity politics

2021
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:36,119
where you know, it's like you have all these people

2022
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:42,359
that simply because Hilary Clinton is a woman, yes, yeah, yeah,

2023
02:04:42,399 --> 02:04:46,159
and then that's of course it's a big that's a

2024
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:49,239
big component of all this and that. Yeah. So when

2025
02:04:49,279 --> 02:04:50,800
you kind of step away and look at it and

2026
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:54,079
it's like that's that's all that really to the to

2027
02:04:54,199 --> 02:04:57,359
the to the majority, I think that that is what

2028
02:04:57,640 --> 02:05:03,760
is really sort of animating though those people like, you know,

2029
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:08,159
the identity politics and then what what she represents symbolically

2030
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:10,239
and what he represents symbolically.

2031
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 6: Yes, he represents the patriarchal white guy, misogynist capitalist, and

2032
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:21,640
then she represents the complete opposite, polar opposite, the liberal

2033
02:05:22,079 --> 02:05:25,359
pro woman feminists, you know, socialist.

2034
02:05:26,399 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and yeah we brought that up before too.

2035
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:33,760
How it's like these these custom crafted sort of villains

2036
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:36,520
for the other side, Like like bush was like the

2037
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:40,760
oil man talked with the fake Texas accident, and you know,

2038
02:05:41,680 --> 02:05:45,479
it's great for the left to hate. He's perfect.

2039
02:05:46,279 --> 02:05:50,840
Speaker 6: I used the googles, maps a lot of maps, and

2040
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,640
the Googles the internets.

2041
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:57,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know you did, Georgia bush Man. That's really good.

2042
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you heard that clip? That's why of the

2043
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:01,800
funniest ones. Have you heard that.

2044
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,359
Speaker 4: One where he's talking about the internets?

2045
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:08,199
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2046
02:06:08,359 --> 02:06:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just posted up something about him, and it's

2047
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:13,680
got a It was a link to a clip when

2048
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:17,840
he was when he was attending university or something. He's

2049
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:21,800
like young, young body, and he's totally doesn't have an accent,

2050
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,840
and he's totally talking like an Eastern Sea border and

2051
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,319
he's like totally articulate, doesn't stumble over his words, he's

2052
02:06:28,399 --> 02:06:29,680
like really sharp sound.

2053
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 6: I remember Alex used to talk about that. He would say, folks,

2054
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,439
they're not real Texans. Okay, I've seen him. I've seen

2055
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:41,600
they came down here and they started they started wearing hats. Folks,

2056
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:45,199
they pretend to be from Texas. It's not real folks.

2057
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:46,600
They're from They're from New England.

2058
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:54,199
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, no, yeah, well he he allegedly went

2059
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:58,520
to college or was raised in in what Midland, Texas

2060
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:03,920
or whatever. But of course they're gonna be good going

2061
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:05,760
back and forth between and then Mike, why doesn't his

2062
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,720
brother have an act? I mean, come on, but it's like, yeah,

2063
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:13,800
I know, it's just but what was your talking?

2064
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:15,439
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I think.

2065
02:07:15,279 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 6: He was talking about he was talking about w because

2066
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:24,600
W was if I recall, he was from East Coast

2067
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:28,039
and then and then got into the oil business, so

2068
02:07:28,119 --> 02:07:29,760
then he would have to come to Texas for that.

2069
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:32,680
And then they, he says, they, you know, took on

2070
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:39,000
the the persona of being you know, these Texan ranchers

2071
02:07:39,039 --> 02:07:44,600
and good, good old Americans, but they're totally Eastern establishment,

2072
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,520
you know Anglo files As quickly calls.

2073
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Anglo American establishment. Yeah, they that that and

2074
02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:57,319
I think that Bush or Baby Bush or whatever you

2075
02:07:57,399 --> 02:08:02,680
want to call him went through probably extensive coaching, voice

2076
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:05,760
coaching and stuff, because his accent is actually really good.

2077
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:09,960
But you saw it in that video I posted with

2078
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:14,720
him and that comedian impersonator. Yeah, and then Bush kind

2079
02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:19,720
of like really emphasizes his whole stick there to where

2080
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:20,720
it's obvious.

2081
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:24,479
Speaker 1: Well and w Senior doesn't really talk that way. He

2082
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:25,960
doesn't have the Southern accent.

2083
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:29,119
Speaker 6: So I well, I guess, like you said, that Junior

2084
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:32,880
is supposed to be raised in Texas or whatever. But anyway,

2085
02:08:33,479 --> 02:08:35,439
I'm gonna have to go. I've got a prayer commitment.

2086
02:08:35,479 --> 02:08:37,000
But it's been good talk.

2087
02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh great man. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate having you on again.

2088
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:44,119
And that was real good. Yeah, good conversation.

2089
02:08:44,680 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 1: Cool, all right, have a good night. It was good

2090
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,000
to hang out and have a couple of beers too.

2091
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:53,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was great man. I enjoyed it. Memphis. Yeah,

2092
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:56,079
that's cool. Yeah, hopefully we'll be able to do that

2093
02:08:56,119 --> 02:08:56,760
again sometime.

2094
02:08:57,079 --> 02:08:58,079
Speaker 1: All right, man, have a good night.

2095
02:08:58,279 --> 02:08:58,880
Speaker 4: All right too,