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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Madison, as we start a Friday night

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<v Speaker 2>here on Nightside, WBZ, Boston's news radio ten thirty and

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<v Speaker 2>your AM dial. We are headed toward midnight. It'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a little less than four hours, will take you right

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<v Speaker 2>right to the cusp of Saturday morning. We are now

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<v Speaker 2>officially in the weekend on Friday night. But you may

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<v Speaker 2>be in the car somewhere headed north south west. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're heading east, I don't know, watch out for that ocean. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be heading east if you're coming into Boston

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<v Speaker 2>from Worcester. So wherever you are, wherever your head, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll keep your company all the way. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>when you get home, just flip on the radio at home,

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<v Speaker 2>the iHeart Radio app and you'll be all set. My

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<v Speaker 2>name's Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside here every

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<v Speaker 2>weeknight with Rob Brooks. He's back in the control room.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be get taken for phone calls at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>But during the Nightside news hour, as we do every night,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked to four newsmakers. They may not be the

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<v Speaker 2>breaking news type of newsmakers you've heard about, but people

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<v Speaker 2>who are trying to have a positive impact in the

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<v Speaker 2>community in many instances, and I think certainly. Steph lewis

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<v Speaker 2>the president and CEO of The Base, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>nonprofit that creates new pathways to success for urban youth.

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<v Speaker 2>Fits that mold a good evening, Steph, How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing really well, Dan, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. I'm a huge believer in sports, particularly for

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<v Speaker 2>young people. Keep them tired, keep them out of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Your nonprofit is based here in Boston, but it really

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<v Speaker 2>has a national base, if you will pardon the pun.

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<v Speaker 2>Here tell us about the National Urban Sports Classic the NUSC,

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<v Speaker 2>which will be coming up here in Boston the week

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<v Speaker 2>of July thirty first through August first, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>is the the week that starts on Monday. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of kids coming in from around the country

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<v Speaker 2>as I understand it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, so it's actually the July thirty first

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<v Speaker 3>through August fourth, But we have young folks coming from

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<v Speaker 3>seven different states, eight different cities. Chicago Atlanta, New York,

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<v Speaker 3>New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, you know, again in the greater

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<v Speaker 3>Boston region. And really what we decided is, how do

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<v Speaker 3>we create an environment and how do we create a

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<v Speaker 3>sports a sports tournament where we're bringing folks together, right

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<v Speaker 3>with a sense of connectivity, with a sense of community.

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<v Speaker 3>But how do we graten it where it's just more

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<v Speaker 3>than just the sports itself, but implement career, implement education

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<v Speaker 3>and professionals that young folks can see themselves to be

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<v Speaker 3>in the future. And you know, one of the influences

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<v Speaker 3>that came from it is, you know, Boston is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the only, you know, one of the few, if

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<v Speaker 3>not the only, major cities without a highway that runs

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<v Speaker 3>through it. So within Boston, right, we have a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of connectivity amongst ourselves, and so what we wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>do is highlight that connectivity amongst the different young folks

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<v Speaker 3>and the different programs coming around the country and really

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<v Speaker 3>get a sense of feel some of the great things

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<v Speaker 3>that Boston has to offer, such as our educational institutions

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<v Speaker 3>and more So.

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<v Speaker 2>You started this program, I guess you started it as

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<v Speaker 2>an idea back in what twenty fifteen, Yeah, so our program.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually we started eleven years ago, right and so it's

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<v Speaker 3>where eleven years strong right now, was actually founded by

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<v Speaker 3>my father, actually Robert Lewis, who now oversees all the

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<v Speaker 3>Boys and Girls clubs of Boston and I've been at

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<v Speaker 3>the role I've headed for the past two years. But

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<v Speaker 3>really where it came from was he was always a

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<v Speaker 3>baseball coach and you know, might see we're traveling around

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<v Speaker 3>the country, but he's always worked in pelanthropy, and so

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<v Speaker 3>he figured out a way to take urban youth and

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<v Speaker 3>be able to allow us to be able to have

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing experience in sports without ever having to pay

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<v Speaker 3>for anything. And so what he ended up doing was

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<v Speaker 3>taking his passion for sports and coaching and taking his

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge through his career and nonprofit and marry the two

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<v Speaker 3>and that's where the base was born. And SAIDs up,

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<v Speaker 3>how do we get young folks to utilize sports as

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<v Speaker 3>a way to showcase their greatness? And really, how do

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<v Speaker 3>we get those young folks to showcase their greatness to

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<v Speaker 3>really challenge America of how they view urban youth, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because our young folks are just as talented as anybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>And what we all know is talent is evenly distributed,

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<v Speaker 3>but the access opportunity isn't And so what we want

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<v Speaker 3>to do is allow our young folks to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to stand on our shoulders, utilize us, to then continue

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<v Speaker 3>on with what they desire to do next.

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<v Speaker 2>So the sports that we have the Olympics going on,

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<v Speaker 2>but the sports here in Boston next week with the

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<v Speaker 2>National Urban Sports Classic involves baseball, softball, and basketball. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously baseball tends to be a boys sport, softball tends

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<v Speaker 2>to be a girls sport, and basketball we have now

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<v Speaker 2>found out we have great men and women's basketball players

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<v Speaker 2>at the professional level WNBA, et cetera. So is that

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<v Speaker 2>those the three sports that base is built upon?

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely is. So those are the three sports that

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<v Speaker 3>this event is and that the base is built upon.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, we do a lot of other work

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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of the other sports based youth development

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<v Speaker 3>organizations here in the city and beyond as well. But

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<v Speaker 3>what we're proud again is to be able to provide

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<v Speaker 3>this opportunity for these different programs to come in. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>as I mentioned before, you know, we were kind of

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<v Speaker 3>based off of the idea of philanthropy and we understood

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<v Speaker 3>really had a fundraise to provide an opportunity for our

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<v Speaker 3>young folks. But a lot of the programs that are

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<v Speaker 3>coming in are just your regular neighborhood programs of folks

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<v Speaker 3>that really just care about kids, care about the sport,

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<v Speaker 3>but don't quite know where their next dollar for their

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<v Speaker 3>program is going to come from. And so what we

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<v Speaker 3>decided to do was we house every single program and

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<v Speaker 3>a local college so that we staying at Boston University.

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<v Speaker 3>We feed them breakfast every day, and we have cookouts

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<v Speaker 3>every night so that therefore programs don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 3>about food. And then they're playing games all on college fields,

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<v Speaker 3>so from UMass Boston to Boston College and they're getting

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<v Speaker 3>just a top of the line sports experience. And let

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<v Speaker 3>me be clear, though we're doing this for the other

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<v Speaker 3>programs free, we haven't diluted our sports. It's very competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some amazing athletes that are coming out on the

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<v Speaker 3>basketball side as well on the softball side as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You're seeing some amazing sports and that's just something we're

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<v Speaker 3>super proud to be a part to showcase because it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost as if you sports has almost become intellectual property

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<v Speaker 3>to gain the knowledge. And what we wanted to do

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<v Speaker 3>they could do some great things too.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about the colleges that are helping you

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<v Speaker 2>out here. You Mass Boston, which I'm very close to,

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<v Speaker 2>Boston College. What are the other schools that are that

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we have you Mass Boston, we have Boston

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<v Speaker 3>College as you mentioned, and then we have some of

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<v Speaker 3>our other partnering schools. We have Assumption University as well

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<v Speaker 3>as American International College. So the Base we've actually created

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<v Speaker 3>a scholarship program with the UMass system, with American International

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<v Speaker 3>College and Assumption University where we can look at every

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<v Speaker 3>single one of our participants and say, truly, through these

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<v Speaker 3>scholarships that we have, every young person that goes to

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<v Speaker 3>the Base can go to college room boards. Wish it

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<v Speaker 3>for free.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean the Rushia his Steff. You give me

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of information. Your funding comes from private groups

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that. Generally, I assume that this is

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<v Speaker 2>not a program that you can tap into big federal

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for. You must raise the money yourself, I assume.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we're just short of a three million dollar budget,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go out and fundraise and so it's corporate,

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<v Speaker 3>individual as well as grants.

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<v Speaker 2>So how can folks get in touch with you? Or

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<v Speaker 2>what's the website? One? If they want to support you

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<v Speaker 2>financially number one or number two? They want to come

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<v Speaker 2>out and see some of these great competitions in the

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<v Speaker 2>next week or so. Is there a big Is there

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<v Speaker 2>a schedule somewhere that people can look at.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, just go on tobase dot org wwwthebas dot org

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<v Speaker 3>and all our information is there from the donate but

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<v Speaker 3>at the very top to our programming you'll see the

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<v Speaker 3>National Urban Sports Classic, where we have our schedule post

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<v Speaker 3>it online.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect perfect Steph, best of luck with us. I played

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sports in the city of Boston on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those fields from Reville to East Boston

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<v Speaker 2>to just about every community northeast, west and south in Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>and sports were really a great pathway for me for

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<v Speaker 2>both schools, and what you're doing for these kids is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks very much for what you're doing, Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>being with us tonight, and best of luck next week. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody should be successful. Next week we lose a draw Thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Steph, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, You're welcome when we get back. When we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a Boston attorney who rescued a puppy from an

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<v Speaker 2>island in the Caribbean called Saint Lucia. Now he's suing

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge which has been imposed to being from entering

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Going to talk with Attorney Aaron Katz.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's anything that I feel more passionate about the

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<v Speaker 2>youth sports, it's dogs. So we got a daily double

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<v Speaker 2>after the break as we start our way through an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting Friday night here on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think all of you know how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>about pets, particularly dogs canines. With me is Attorney Aaron Katz.

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<v Speaker 2>He is an attorney based here in Boston, and he

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<v Speaker 2>happened to rescue a puppy from Saint Lucia according to

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<v Speaker 2>an article we read in the Boston Globe, and that

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<v Speaker 2>has started him on a journey which now finds him

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<v Speaker 2>suing in federal court. Attorney Kats, welcome to Nightside. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good Dan, how are you great?

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<v Speaker 2>So tell us? Obviously you and I both love animals,

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<v Speaker 2>pets and dogs particularly. I believe I finished my show

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<v Speaker 2>every night, All dogs, all cats, all pets go to Heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do believe that. But they're not all born

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<v Speaker 2>into good sets of circumstances. And you, I guess found

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<v Speaker 2>that out on a visit to the island of Saint Lucia.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So we planned a family trip down to Saint

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<v Speaker 4>Lucia in April of twenty twenty three, and my wife

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<v Speaker 4>their Facebook page and actually saw a post from a

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<v Speaker 4>rescue organization called the Bruno Project talking about the need

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, find adoptive families for some rescues that

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<v Speaker 4>they had on the island. And you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>sucker for dogs and my wife is as well, and

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<v Speaker 4>we agreed to take two puppies actually on our trip

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I continued to you know, sort of do

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<v Speaker 4>to their rescue efforts. And so I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is supposed to go to effecting next week

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So we whipped up a complaint sort of as

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<v Speaker 4>course on the CDC's rulemaking on canine rabies, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>really all the issues involved in this. Wrote up a

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<v Speaker 4>other organizations on board. We shopped the complaints around to

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<v Speaker 4>Once we had all the organizations that wanted to sign on,

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<v Speaker 4>weekend and hopefully the judge will hear us next week.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know it scheduled, yeah for a hearing, but

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<v Speaker 2>let's hope you get it before August first, so the

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<v Speaker 2>judge has time to act in advance of August first. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this all started as nistand with a dog that came

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<v Speaker 2>from a different part of the world, had rabies that

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<v Speaker 2>had been adopted by a family in Pennsylvania. So is

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<v Speaker 2>this the genesis of the uh? You know, this new

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<v Speaker 2>affect thousands, if not taken thousands of potential adoptees.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the CDC. You know, when when an agency comes

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<v Speaker 4>statement to try to explain why they're enacting or announcing

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<v Speaker 4>this new regulation. And they said that there were four

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<v Speaker 4>cases of poppies or dogs coming into the United States

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<v Speaker 4>with canine rabies. I think three were from Egypt, one

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<v Speaker 4>was from ozer by John. None of them were from

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<v Speaker 4>the Caribbean. None of them were from canine rabies free

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<v Speaker 4>countries like Saint Lucian all the other Caribbean islands are

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<v Speaker 4>designated by the CDC, So it was really I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's almost like if someone goes in shop lists you

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<v Speaker 2>To me, overly broad administrative action that would seem to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, my daughter and we have where I

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<v Speaker 2>am right now, a beautiful Corgie. It's about probably three

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and the amount of joy and happiness that

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<v Speaker 2>Mustard has brought into our family is beyond description, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you. So obviously you're doing I think

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<v Speaker 2>have kill shelters, and you know, we have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of dogs in this country. How many people end up

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<v Speaker 2>adopting dogs in America from offshore. Do you have any

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<v Speaker 2>idea as your research discovered that issue, as to how

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<v Speaker 2>many people are potentially affected here?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think the Bruno Project at last count, since

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<v Speaker 4>they sort of formally formed about six or seven years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they're up to several thousand dogs. I think

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<v Speaker 4>they may be you know, pushing eight or nine thousand

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<v Speaker 4>dogs that they have gotten adopted, largely in the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>some in Canada. I think a very small percentage might

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<v Speaker 4>I think have very similar numbers. So we are talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, thousands of dogs per year. And I certainly understand,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, some people's views that there are already enough

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<v Speaker 4>dogs in US shelters, why aren't we adopting them. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a champion of all dogs, so I'm supporting those shelters,

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<v Speaker 4>those strays in the United States, but also the dogs

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<v Speaker 4>coming from these islands that really deserve a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>And what can individuals who are listening to the show tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>who who like you, love dogs, other than following the

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<v Speaker 2>case and certainly try to follow the case next week

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<v Speaker 2>and see what happens. Hopefully you get you get a

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<v Speaker 2>hearing and it's just not done on paper, and you

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<v Speaker 2>you get a ruling that is a ruling we want.

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<v Speaker 2>But what what can people do to support you? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I I assume that this is the case that's costing

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<v Speaker 2>you a lot of money to to to go forward,

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<v Speaker 2>and you probably don't have a class per se, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have someone with big bucks. What what what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what what can we do to help you?

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<v Speaker 4>Well no, I so I'm doing this pro bono and

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm willing to donate my time. If I have

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<v Speaker 4>to go into pocket for experts or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's fine. You know, we'll make that happen. I

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<v Speaker 4>think what people can do. You know, first, if you

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<v Speaker 4>feel strongly about these organizations, donate, you know, Google search them,

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<v Speaker 4>find out what they need. Sometimes they just need supplies

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<v Speaker 4>to help foster the dogs on the island themselves, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>money for dog food, money for veterinarian care. That's one

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<v Speaker 4>thing people can do. The other thing is that legislative

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<v Speaker 4>feel strongly, call your congress person, call your senator. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm planning on calling our senators here in Massachusetts, my representative,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, here in Middlesex County and letting them know

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, this is an issue that I think

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<v Speaker 4>cuts across the aisle and that you know, frankly, I

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<v Speaker 4>think Congress should look at because the CDC. I think

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<v Speaker 4>this is an example of an agency just run a monk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's an agency almost in search of

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<v Speaker 2>a cause. It sounds to me like if there are

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<v Speaker 2>two or three dogs that came into the country with rabies,

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume there would be a way to isolate

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<v Speaker 2>those dogs, get them healthy, make sure that no one

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<v Speaker 2>is injured. There's a way to do it other than

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<v Speaker 2>just banning all dogs from coming into the country, you know, all.

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<v Speaker 4>Adult Absolutely absolutely. I mean I call this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>It's a solution in search of a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. And look, sometimes that's just how agencies act. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's why I think, you know, sometimes courts just need

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<v Speaker 4>to step in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Attorney Aaron Katz. Best of luck, will follow it

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<v Speaker 2>and get get a hopefully you get a good ruling,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you if you have to get some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an injunction to stop the ruling from going into effect.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's the first step. And best of luck in

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<v Speaker 2>the best, best of luck as you pursue what for

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<v Speaker 2>you is more than an important legal issue, obviously, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of personal. And best of luck. I hope you.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate it, Dan, thank youlome Attorney Aaron Katz.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we're going to talk about something

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<v Speaker 2>which I'd never heard of. There's a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>topics here on a night side, particularly the first hour,

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the disciplined listening method. How a certified forensic

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<v Speaker 2>interviewer unlocks hidden value in every conversation. Well, I should

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<v Speaker 2>learn about this because that's what I do for a living.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Dan Ray. Rob Brooks is back in the

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<v Speaker 2>control room. Don't call yet. We'll open up the phone

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<v Speaker 2>lines after nine o'clock. We'll tell you what topics we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about tonight, and I'll also remind you

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<v Speaker 2>we will have a snap presidential poll, as we do

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<v Speaker 2>every final eleven o'clock twentieth hour Friday night. We've done

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<v Speaker 2>this March, April, May, June, and this will be our

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<v Speaker 2>fifth in July. We have a different Democratic nominee this time. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see if that changes things. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>sit back, listen to the news, and we'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side, and we'll both learn about this

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<v Speaker 2>disciplined listening method. Probably all of us can benefit from that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, this is something very well occasionally there's something

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<v Speaker 2>that I learned about here on night side. Actually I

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<v Speaker 2>learned a lot, but I have never heard about the

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<v Speaker 2>disciplined and listening method. And with us is Michael Reddington.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a certified forensic interviewer. Michael Reddington. That sounds pretty fancy.

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<v Speaker 2>What let's start with the basics. What is a certified

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<v Speaker 5>Well appreciate having me on, Dan, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>A certified forensic interviewer as a professional investigator who has

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<v Speaker 5>achieved the designated, the designation of expertise. That really means

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<v Speaker 5>that they should be able to conduct a morally, legally

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<v Speaker 5>and investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>So, do you work on criminal investigations as well as,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, private investigations. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>so forth, but also on the criminal side as well. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So explain to us then, the concept of forensic interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of us we think of forensics. We think of

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<v Speaker 2>looking at you know, blood samples and entire tracks, things

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<v Speaker 2>that are all scientific. It sounds to me like this

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<v Speaker 2>is scientific way to listen to interviews.

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<v Speaker 5>You nailed it. It really is a scientific backed approach

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<v Speaker 5>where you're conductingat investigative interviews in a way to gather

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<v Speaker 5>the evidence necessary for successful judication of whatever the incident is,

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<v Speaker 5>and that could be through an hr eer process on

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<v Speaker 5>the private sector side, or through the court process that

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<v Speaker 5>more people are familiar with on the public sectoricide.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you wrote a book called The Disciplined Listening Method.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain it on a practical basis. What can people learn

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<v Speaker 2>from the book that will have application in their in

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<v Speaker 2>their personal life, assuming most of them are not professional investigators.

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<v Speaker 5>So to use the parliaments we were just speaking in.

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<v Speaker 5>Really it's how to obtain the everyday confession. So if

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<v Speaker 5>we think about it, really, all the confession is is

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<v Speaker 5>somebody choosing to share sensitive information under vulnerable circumstances in

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<v Speaker 5>the face of consequences. And if we think about it

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<v Speaker 5>as parents, as bosses, as friends, as sales professionals, leaders, negotiators, teachers,

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<v Speaker 5>list goes on. How many times a day do we

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<v Speaker 5>ask people to a sensitive information under vulnerable circumstances in

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<v Speaker 5>the face of perceived consequences is constant. So what we've

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<v Speaker 5>done with the discipline Listening Method is we've taken research

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<v Speaker 5>and best practices from both the world of investigative interviewing

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<v Speaker 5>and business communication to provide people with strategy tactics frameworks

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<v Speaker 5>to continue to evolve their strategic observation and ethical persuasion techniques.

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<v Speaker 5>It really comes down to, if you want somebody to

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<v Speaker 5>share information that they feel at all is sensitive, how

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<v Speaker 5>do we help them save faith and how do we

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<v Speaker 5>create the communication experience that they need in order for

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<v Speaker 5>them to feel comfortable sharing the information.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want you to get a little specific with

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<v Speaker 2>me on this, Okay, because I'm certain I'm an attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>and in my practice, I've been involved in depositions and

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<v Speaker 2>as a reporter for many many years, I was involved

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<v Speaker 2>in investing gative journalism, and I did stories in television

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<v Speaker 2>here for WBZ and Boston that put a well known

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<v Speaker 2>insane presidential candidate in jail. And I also was able

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<v Speaker 2>to procure the release or help procure the release of

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<v Speaker 2>four men who had been had been indicted intentionally and

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<v Speaker 2>wrongfully by corrupt FBI agents for murder they had never

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<v Speaker 2>had anything whatsoever to do with And so it takes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, but give us give us kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>more everyday example of how you would apply your theories

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<v Speaker 2>here and what people could learn from the book that

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<v Speaker 2>would help them in their own personal.

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<v Speaker 5>Lives certainly, so we started a family level. So one

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<v Speaker 5>of our principles is focus on the issue, not the person,

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<v Speaker 5>focus on the resolution, not the consequences. So quite often

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<v Speaker 5>we ask questions that come across as accusatory when we

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<v Speaker 5>don't mean them to be. So anytime you start a

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<v Speaker 5>question with did you or why didn't you, people feel

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<v Speaker 5>immediately accused or why you know, why did you or

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<v Speaker 5>why didn't you? People feel immediately accused. So instead of

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<v Speaker 5>making the question about the person, make the question about

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<v Speaker 5>the outcome or the issue that you're trying to resolve.

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<v Speaker 5>And perhaps the simplest one ever, which actually resolved a

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<v Speaker 5>quite comedic disagreement between my wife and I, is instead

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<v Speaker 5>of saying every morning, did you feed the dog? That

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<v Speaker 5>has the dog been said yet? Because if you say

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<v Speaker 5>did you feed the dog? Really, what that feels like

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<v Speaker 5>is you're accusing me of not feeding the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yelp. Whoever the you is, it's your responsibility, and what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying is that's really a shared responsibility in a

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<v Speaker 2>family unless one of you has assumed that responsibility to

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<v Speaker 2>the exclusion of the other person. I get that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's a pretty goodntion. So what you're saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that that that the language, the approach of the language

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<v Speaker 2>often can adduce a better response.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, the word choices that we make are going to

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<v Speaker 5>elicit an emotional response from our counterparts. Unfortunately, all too

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<v Speaker 5>often they create an unintentional or listen, an unintentional emotional

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<v Speaker 5>response from our counterparts that cause us somebody to react

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<v Speaker 5>in a way that we didn't anticipate, which then begins

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<v Speaker 5>to fuel a little bit of confrontation because now that

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<v Speaker 5>surprised us. That's not what we wanted, that's not what

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<v Speaker 5>our intentions, and we respond in kind. Even if you

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<v Speaker 5>flip into a teenager that was supposed to be home

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<v Speaker 5>at midnight and they come strolling in at twelve thirty,

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<v Speaker 5>sure we can go ahead and confront them, but we

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<v Speaker 5>know that's just going to be met with immediate resistance.

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<v Speaker 5>So instead of hitting them with a while, were you late?

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<v Speaker 5>You know what your curfew was, you don't listen, you

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<v Speaker 5>don't care, give me the keys, you know, how much

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<v Speaker 5>did you drink tonight? Those kind of questions. Instead, if

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<v Speaker 5>we hit them with, well, you know, it's easy to

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<v Speaker 5>get carried away. And we've got friends who maybe need

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<v Speaker 5>a ride home and aren't ready to go yet. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just curious, how early in the evening did you start

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<v Speaker 5>to realize that you likely weren't going to make it

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<v Speaker 5>home by midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's funny. I have one. I tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be the person in my house who goes to

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<v Speaker 2>the grocery store. I happen to enjoy a guy, but

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<v Speaker 2>I like going to the grocery store because I like

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that the food in the house is fresh

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<v Speaker 2>and that I check out, you know, used by labels

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. That's just something. And I also

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<v Speaker 2>like to watch my dollars. I used to say my pennies,

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<v Speaker 2>that's red gone, not my dollars. And some folks in

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<v Speaker 2>my family am not going to identify who although they

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<v Speaker 2>know who I'm talking about, they will always say to me,

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to the store today? And I I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of after a while, I would say, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you just ask me would you mind going

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<v Speaker 2>to the store? And you get a better response because

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<v Speaker 2>if it's are you going to the store today, it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like I'm going to ask you to do

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<v Speaker 2>something if you say yes, but you're going anyway? It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like that track.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's an example of language that I think is important.

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<v Speaker 2>Someoneld say it's pretty picky, owned I would where you

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<v Speaker 2>would sit on that one.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's picky. I think it's strategic. And

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<v Speaker 5>to think about applying a strategic thought process to our

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<v Speaker 5>personal conversations might turn some people's stomachs or raise an eyebrow,

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<v Speaker 5>but really what we're doing is we're cultivating the best

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<v Speaker 5>relationships we can. And we're not perfect, and we all

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<v Speaker 5>have our moments. But the word choice is going to

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<v Speaker 5>convey respect, It's going to convey care or empathy or

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<v Speaker 5>concern or whatever it is in the situation. So to

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<v Speaker 5>your point, absolutely, are you're gonna go to the store today?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what.

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<v Speaker 5>Feels like a trap question? Because if I say no,

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to ask me to which is what you

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<v Speaker 5>really want to do. But if I say yes, now,

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<v Speaker 5>really what I'm doing is stepping up to volunteer to

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<v Speaker 5>do whatever it is you want me to do. So instead,

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<v Speaker 5>if the question was I'll use the term dad, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't mean to potentially throw any of your children under

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<v Speaker 5>the bus. If that's what they.

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<v Speaker 6>Trust me on that before both of us get into

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<v Speaker 6>big trouble there you go. Hi, all right, So give

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<v Speaker 6>us the name of the book again and how they

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<v Speaker 6>can find that The Disciplined Listening Method available.

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<v Speaker 5>Where Amazon, Barns and Nobles, and they can sample it

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<v Speaker 5>at discipline Listening dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great, sounds great. Enjoy the conversation. I really did, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>you I learned a lot. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate have a great evening you too when we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talk about normally we talk about bad weather here.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had some bad weather weekends here in New England

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you around the country, Yes, all of

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<v Speaker 2>us have had bad weather weekends. But we have a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect weather weekend. We had a just a Chamber of

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<v Speaker 2>Commerce day today, we have another Chamber of Commerce day

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and Sunday. It's going to be almost perfect, almost perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to get back into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the muggy heat next week. But we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back about with one of our ACU

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<v Speaker 2>weather meteorologist, John Ferrick, about why we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>so lucky this weekend. It's a great weather forecast. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>luxuriate it. We'll be back with John Ferrick right after

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<v Speaker 2>the break here on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're listening to me in New England tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that we had a beautiful weather day this Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have another beautiful weather day coming up tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and pretty much a carbon copy I think, coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday with us as ACCU Weather meteorologist John Ferrick. John,

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<v Speaker 2>normally we're talking to you about a rainy weekend or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all sorts of problems in the wintertime. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a snowstorm coming. And is there a better

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<v Speaker 2>weather weekend that we will ever enjoy? In your this weekend?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think so, Dan, I think, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>at least as far as late July goes with the

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<v Speaker 7>low humidity, Yeah, I think this is about as good

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<v Speaker 7>as you could ask for.

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<v Speaker 2>So why are we so lucky here? Everything? I know

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<v Speaker 2>we've gone through some really hot, humid weather in July,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's July. You expect that What what forces have

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<v Speaker 2>combined to give us everything we wanted? Here? Uh? This weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything everything is lined up correctly. What why are we

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<v Speaker 2>so lucky.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, just the timing of a cold front came through yesterday,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, and and behind that front and humidity has

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<v Speaker 7>dropped significantly, and then we've got cool Canadian high pressure

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<v Speaker 7>that's in control, you know, cool as far as July

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<v Speaker 7>standards anyway, And that's pretty much going to be in

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<v Speaker 7>control right through the weekend. It starts to give way

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<v Speaker 7>a little bit early next week, but you know, through Sunday,

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<v Speaker 7>things are looking really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, last summer, if I'm correct, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of rainy weekends, and then we started out this

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<v Speaker 2>summer too, having a couple of decent weekends but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of kind of off rainy weekends that I assume

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the luck of the draw, right realistically, or

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<v Speaker 2>is that the most part.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's yeah, exactly, that's just the luck of the

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<v Speaker 7>draw for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you probably haven't done this, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if you've taken a look back again. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the last weekend of July. One would argue, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the summer. June is behind us, July

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<v Speaker 2>is almost over, Labor Days five or six weeks away,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the thing's cool up this is the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of This is the middle weekend, one of the middle

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<v Speaker 2>weekends of summer. Can you look back in your memory

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<v Speaker 2>bank or even on them and find find one that

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<v Speaker 2>is as crystal clear as today without the humidity, but

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<v Speaker 2>a nice blue, bright blue sunny sky. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that really we had a good one. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sorry, no, sorry, no, last weekend wasn't too bad,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was you know, it wasn't probably as nice

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<v Speaker 7>as this one. And and you know, you go back

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<v Speaker 7>the weekend after the fourth of July, I really wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>a whole lot of rain to speak of with that,

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<v Speaker 7>but yeah, it's it's been hard to come by in general.

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<v Speaker 7>You go back into June and certainly there was a

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<v Speaker 7>lot more in terms of at least one day kind

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<v Speaker 7>of having having some problems.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the other the other thing too, John, And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to make this sound like a Chamber

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<v Speaker 2>of a New England Chamber of Congress, but you look

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<v Speaker 2>around the country and you look at the tornadoes that

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<v Speaker 2>have hit all across well generally the plains in the

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<v Speaker 2>Midwest and now Upper New York State. You'll look at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the flooding down in Houston earlier this month.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the rainstorms that that have just been unbelievably

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<v Speaker 2>horrific for people. And you realize that we get our

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<v Speaker 2>problems up here, but our weather in New England I think,

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, is the best weather in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>My right or wrong? Am I imagining things? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I ah, if you could live anywhere, I mean down south,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great in the winter time, but it's hot in

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<v Speaker 2>the summertime, Texas hot. You know, they're talking about hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of in California, temperatures in the hundreds. Fires in the

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<v Speaker 2>upper Northwest. The worst thing we get is a is

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<v Speaker 2>a snowstorm or a blizzard. Yeah, usually usually, usually that's

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<v Speaker 2>the case.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you don't mind the snow, I would probably

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<v Speaker 7>say the Northeast is the best place to be. You

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<v Speaker 7>don't have to worry about well most of the time

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<v Speaker 7>once in a while, but you don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 7>about earthquakes for the most part or anything like that too.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then the last question I have, at least

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<v Speaker 2>for now, and I know this is probably looking into

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<v Speaker 2>the future. I remember in early July rather early June,

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<v Speaker 2>we were told, well, the hurricane season has officially started

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<v Speaker 2>and other than Burle, which gave us that gave us

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<v Speaker 2>some problems, it's been relatively quiet. What's it look like

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<v Speaker 2>in the tropics, and were looking at an active month

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<v Speaker 2>in August or is that too far too far to look.

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<v Speaker 7>It definitely looks like it's going to get more active

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<v Speaker 7>in August.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you get a.

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<v Speaker 7>Storm early like Burle, people kind of expected to continue

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<v Speaker 7>to keep cranking. And usually July itself is actually not

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<v Speaker 7>that active.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>The peak is really from August through October. So things

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<v Speaker 7>are going to ramp up here certainly over the next

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<v Speaker 7>couple of weeks. And I'm sure we're gonna come out

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<v Speaker 7>of this spell here of not a whole lot going

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<v Speaker 7>on in the tropics.

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<v Speaker 2>So what you're saying is enjoy this weekend that not

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's not going to be like that. John Ferick, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much. I appreciate it. As they say, normally

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<v Speaker 2>we have a lot of negative stuff to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun to talk with you on a positive note.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us tonight. Okay, thank you all right,

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<v Speaker 2>So that that takes care of this hour. We will

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<v Speaker 2>be back after the nine o'clock news and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about a story both in the Globe and

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<v Speaker 2>the Herald today, and we're going to be talking with

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<v Speaker 2>a state representative here in Massachusetts, or Paul Frost, about

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<v Speaker 2>real problems with the shelter system that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>so much. And it just seems to me that there

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<v Speaker 2>is now a realization amongst everyone up on Beacon Hill

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a situation that we probably have bitten

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<v Speaker 2>off more than we can choose. So we'll talk with

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Frost and talk with you if you're one of

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<v Speaker 2>those communities that is dealing with the situation of shelter

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of what it's doing to your school system,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Yeah, what's done is done. Decisions were made,

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<v Speaker 2>but it looks to me as if the governor now

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<v Speaker 2>has decided that, hey, we cannot house the entire world population.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty obvious. It didn't take a brain surgeon to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with that conclusion. And we'll talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>we got here and maybe how we get out of

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<v Speaker 2>this situation or is there a way out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll explain it all right after the nine o'clock news,

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<v Speaker 2>and then i'll remind you later on tonight at eleven o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have a snap poll on who is your pick

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<v Speaker 2>for president right now? If the election we're held today.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done this the last Friday of Nightside in March, April, May,

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<v Speaker 2>and June. This will be our fifth one. We'll do

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<v Speaker 2>one in August, one in September, and one in October.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the one that will really count will

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<v Speaker 2>be the one that's held on November fifth. But well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about it all coming back right after the

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<v Speaker 2>ninth