Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston Radio.
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Speaker 2: weeknight with Rob Brooks. He's back in the control room.
Speaker 2: We'll be get taken for phone calls at nine o'clock.
Speaker 2: But during the Nightside news hour, as we do every night,
Speaker 2: we talked to four newsmakers. They may not be the
Speaker 2: breaking news type of newsmakers you've heard about, but people
Speaker 2: who are trying to have a positive impact in the
Speaker 2: community in many instances, and I think certainly. Steph lewis
Speaker 2: the president and CEO of The Base, which is a
Speaker 2: nonprofit that creates new pathways to success for urban youth.
Speaker 2: Fits that mold a good evening, Steph, How are you tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm doing really well, Dan, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: having me.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'm a huge believer in sports, particularly for
Speaker 2: young people. Keep them tired, keep them out of trouble.
Speaker 2: Your nonprofit is based here in Boston, but it really
Speaker 2: has a national base, if you will pardon the pun.
Speaker 2: Here tell us about the National Urban Sports Classic the NUSC,
Speaker 2: which will be coming up here in Boston the week
Speaker 2: of July thirty first through August first, which of course
Speaker 2: is the the week that starts on Monday. You've got
Speaker 2: a lot of kids coming in from around the country
Speaker 2: as I understand it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, so it's actually the July thirty first
Speaker 3: through August fourth, But we have young folks coming from
Speaker 3: seven different states, eight different cities. Chicago Atlanta, New York,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, you know, again in the greater
Speaker 3: Boston region. And really what we decided is, how do
Speaker 3: we create an environment and how do we create a
Speaker 3: sports a sports tournament where we're bringing folks together, right
Speaker 3: with a sense of connectivity, with a sense of community.
Speaker 3: But how do we graten it where it's just more
Speaker 3: than just the sports itself, but implement career, implement education
Speaker 3: and professionals that young folks can see themselves to be
Speaker 3: in the future. And you know, one of the influences
Speaker 3: that came from it is, you know, Boston is one
Speaker 3: of the only, you know, one of the few, if
Speaker 3: not the only, major cities without a highway that runs
Speaker 3: through it. So within Boston, right, we have a sense
Speaker 3: of connectivity amongst ourselves, and so what we wanted to
Speaker 3: do is highlight that connectivity amongst the different young folks
Speaker 3: and the different programs coming around the country and really
Speaker 3: get a sense of feel some of the great things
Speaker 3: that Boston has to offer, such as our educational institutions
Speaker 3: and more So.
Speaker 2: You started this program, I guess you started it as
Speaker 2: an idea back in what twenty fifteen, Yeah, so our program.
Speaker 3: Actually we started eleven years ago, right and so it's
Speaker 3: where eleven years strong right now, was actually founded by
Speaker 3: my father, actually Robert Lewis, who now oversees all the
Speaker 3: Boys and Girls clubs of Boston and I've been at
Speaker 3: the role I've headed for the past two years. But
Speaker 3: really where it came from was he was always a
Speaker 3: baseball coach and you know, might see we're traveling around
Speaker 3: the country, but he's always worked in pelanthropy, and so
Speaker 3: he figured out a way to take urban youth and
Speaker 3: be able to allow us to be able to have
Speaker 3: an amazing experience in sports without ever having to pay
Speaker 3: for anything. And so what he ended up doing was
Speaker 3: taking his passion for sports and coaching and taking his
Speaker 3: knowledge through his career and nonprofit and marry the two
Speaker 3: and that's where the base was born. And SAIDs up,
Speaker 3: how do we get young folks to utilize sports as
Speaker 3: a way to showcase their greatness? And really, how do
Speaker 3: we get those young folks to showcase their greatness to
Speaker 3: really challenge America of how they view urban youth, right,
Speaker 3: because our young folks are just as talented as anybody else.
Speaker 3: And what we all know is talent is evenly distributed,
Speaker 3: but the access opportunity isn't And so what we want
Speaker 3: to do is allow our young folks to be able
Speaker 3: to stand on our shoulders, utilize us, to then continue
Speaker 3: on with what they desire to do next.
Speaker 2: So the sports that we have the Olympics going on,
Speaker 2: but the sports here in Boston next week with the
Speaker 2: National Urban Sports Classic involves baseball, softball, and basketball. And
Speaker 2: obviously baseball tends to be a boys sport, softball tends
Speaker 2: to be a girls sport, and basketball we have now
Speaker 2: found out we have great men and women's basketball players
Speaker 2: at the professional level WNBA, et cetera. So is that
Speaker 2: those the three sports that base is built upon?
Speaker 3: It absolutely is. So those are the three sports that
Speaker 3: this event is and that the base is built upon.
Speaker 3: But you know, we do a lot of other work
Speaker 3: with a lot of the other sports based youth development
Speaker 3: organizations here in the city and beyond as well. But
Speaker 3: what we're proud again is to be able to provide
Speaker 3: this opportunity for these different programs to come in. You know,
Speaker 3: as I mentioned before, you know, we were kind of
Speaker 3: based off of the idea of philanthropy and we understood
Speaker 3: really had a fundraise to provide an opportunity for our
Speaker 3: young folks. But a lot of the programs that are
Speaker 3: coming in are just your regular neighborhood programs of folks
Speaker 3: that really just care about kids, care about the sport,
Speaker 3: but don't quite know where their next dollar for their
Speaker 3: program is going to come from. And so what we
Speaker 3: decided to do was we house every single program and
Speaker 3: a local college so that we staying at Boston University.
Speaker 3: We feed them breakfast every day, and we have cookouts
Speaker 3: every night so that therefore programs don't have to worry
Speaker 3: about food. And then they're playing games all on college fields,
Speaker 3: so from UMass Boston to Boston College and they're getting
Speaker 3: just a top of the line sports experience. And let
Speaker 3: me be clear, though we're doing this for the other
Speaker 3: programs free, we haven't diluted our sports. It's very competitive.
Speaker 3: There's some amazing athletes that are coming out on the
Speaker 3: basketball side as well on the softball side as well.
Speaker 3: You're seeing some amazing sports and that's just something we're
Speaker 3: super proud to be a part to showcase because it's
Speaker 3: almost as if you sports has almost become intellectual property
Speaker 3: that you have to pay in order to be able
Speaker 3: to gain the knowledge. And what we wanted to do
Speaker 3: is showcase that no, if you just give kids the opportunity,
Speaker 3: they could do some great things too.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the colleges that are helping you
Speaker 2: out here. You Mass Boston, which I'm very close to,
Speaker 2: Boston College. What are the other schools that are that
Speaker 2: are really pitching in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have you Mass Boston, we have Boston
Speaker 3: College as you mentioned, and then we have some of
Speaker 3: our other partnering schools. We have Assumption University as well
Speaker 3: as American International College. So the Base we've actually created
Speaker 3: a scholarship program with the UMass system, with American International
Speaker 3: College and Assumption University where we can look at every
Speaker 3: single one of our participants and say, truly, through these
Speaker 3: scholarships that we have, every young person that goes to
Speaker 3: the Base can go to college room boards. Wish it
Speaker 3: for free.
Speaker 2: I don't mean the Rushia his Steff. You give me
Speaker 2: a lot of information. Your funding comes from private groups
Speaker 2: and all of that. Generally, I assume that this is
Speaker 2: not a program that you can tap into big federal
Speaker 2: dollars for. You must raise the money yourself, I assume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're just short of a three million dollar budget,
Speaker 3: and I go out and fundraise and so it's corporate,
Speaker 3: individual as well as grants.
Speaker 2: So how can folks get in touch with you? Or
Speaker 2: what's the website? One? If they want to support you
Speaker 2: financially number one or number two? They want to come
Speaker 2: out and see some of these great competitions in the
Speaker 2: next week or so. Is there a big Is there
Speaker 2: a schedule somewhere that people can look at.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, just go on tobase dot org wwwthebas dot org
Speaker 3: and all our information is there from the donate but
Speaker 3: at the very top to our programming you'll see the
Speaker 3: National Urban Sports Classic, where we have our schedule post
Speaker 3: it online.
Speaker 2: Perfect perfect Steph, best of luck with us. I played
Speaker 2: a lot of sports in the city of Boston on
Speaker 2: a lot of those fields from Reville to East Boston
Speaker 2: to just about every community northeast, west and south in Boston,
Speaker 2: and sports were really a great pathway for me for
Speaker 2: both schools, and what you're doing for these kids is amazing.
Speaker 2: So thanks very much for what you're doing, Thanks for
Speaker 2: being with us tonight, and best of luck next week. Everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody should be successful. Next week we lose a draw Thanks.
Speaker 3: Steph, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Dan, You're welcome when we get back. When we talk
Speaker 2: about a Boston attorney who rescued a puppy from an
Speaker 2: island in the Caribbean called Saint Lucia. Now he's suing
Speaker 2: a challenge which has been imposed to being from entering
Speaker 2: the United States. Going to talk with Attorney Aaron Katz.
Speaker 2: If there's anything that I feel more passionate about the
Speaker 2: youth sports, it's dogs. So we got a daily double
Speaker 2: here on Nightside. We'll get to Attorney Alan Katz right
Speaker 2: after the break as we start our way through an
Speaker 2: interesting Friday night here on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I think all of you know how I feel
Speaker 2: about pets, particularly dogs canines. With me is Attorney Aaron Katz.
Speaker 2: He is an attorney based here in Boston, and he
Speaker 2: happened to rescue a puppy from Saint Lucia according to
Speaker 2: an article we read in the Boston Globe, and that
Speaker 2: has started him on a journey which now finds him
Speaker 2: suing in federal court. Attorney Kats, welcome to Nightside. How
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 4: I'm good Dan, how are you great?
Speaker 2: So tell us? Obviously you and I both love animals,
Speaker 2: pets and dogs particularly. I believe I finished my show
Speaker 2: every night, All dogs, all cats, all pets go to Heaven,
Speaker 2: and I do believe that. But they're not all born
Speaker 2: into good sets of circumstances. And you, I guess found
Speaker 2: that out on a visit to the island of Saint Lucia.
Speaker 2: Tell us about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we planned a family trip down to Saint
Speaker 4: Lucia in April of twenty twenty three, and my wife
Speaker 4: was doing a little bit of research on one of
Speaker 4: the hotels that we were looking at and was on
Speaker 4: their Facebook page and actually saw a post from a
Speaker 4: rescue organization called the Bruno Project talking about the need
Speaker 4: to you know, find adoptive families for some rescues that
Speaker 4: they had on the island. And you know, I'm a
Speaker 4: sucker for dogs and my wife is as well, and
Speaker 4: we agreed to take two puppies actually on our trip
Speaker 4: back to Logan to give them to their adoptive families
Speaker 4: in New Hampshire. And when we met the puppies at
Speaker 4: the Saint Lucia airport, we were told that one of
Speaker 4: the puppies his family had fallen through, and they asked
Speaker 4: if we wanted to adopt him, and we looked at him.
Speaker 4: He was he was adorable. He was very nervous, but
Speaker 4: you know, I put him in my arms and we
Speaker 4: just immediately fell in love with him and agreed to
Speaker 4: adopt them. And you know, the rest is the rest
Speaker 4: is history.
Speaker 2: So then you found out that apparently the uh, the
Speaker 2: adoption of puppies from some parts of the world have
Speaker 2: been complicated and in this and you ended up in
Speaker 2: Central District Court. Tell us about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I continued to you know, sort of do
Speaker 4: volunteer work with the Bruno Project. Once I found out,
Speaker 4: you know, what the organization was all about, I felt
Speaker 4: compelled to help the organization. So I would donate money
Speaker 4: and you know, do other things, help with supplies, things
Speaker 4: like that. And my wife also sort of just followed,
Speaker 4: you know, sort of dog rescue organizations. And she actually
Speaker 4: saw that the CDC had announced a new regulation that
Speaker 4: was going to go into place on August first, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four, and she was very concerned because it seemed
Speaker 4: like it was, you know, basically going to prevent dogs
Speaker 4: like my little Adobe from coming to the United States
Speaker 4: before six months of age. And so I reached out
Speaker 4: to the Bruno Project to see if they knew about this.
Speaker 4: They did. They told me all the complications that it
Speaker 4: was going to cause in their rescue efforts, and it's
Speaker 4: it's really dramatically disruptive to the organization and very detrimental
Speaker 4: to their rescue efforts. And so I said, you know,
Speaker 4: I think we should sue the CDC in federal court.
Speaker 4: Under the Administrative Procedure Act, you can pursue sort of
Speaker 4: legislative avenues as well, but I think we need to
Speaker 4: pursue a legal path as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is supposed to go to effecting next week
Speaker 2: on August first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we whipped up a complaint sort of as
Speaker 4: quickly as we could. I sort of did a crash
Speaker 4: course on the CDC's rulemaking on canine rabies, you know,
Speaker 4: really all the issues involved in this. Wrote up a
Speaker 4: federal complaint pretty quickly. We got I think about six
Speaker 4: other organizations on board. We shopped the complaints around to
Speaker 4: see what other organizations in the Caribbean wanted to sign on.
Speaker 4: Once we had all the organizations that wanted to sign on,
Speaker 4: you know, I filed in Boston Federal Court, and I
Speaker 4: recently moved to stay basically a preliminary injunction to try
Speaker 4: to put a halt to the regulation. We filed that
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and the government about an
Speaker 4: hour and a half ago put in their put in
Speaker 4: their response brief. So we'll put in a reply this
Speaker 4: weekend and hopefully the judge will hear us next week.
Speaker 2: So you know it scheduled, yeah for a hearing, but
Speaker 2: let's hope you get it before August first, so the
Speaker 2: judge has time to act in advance of August first. Now,
Speaker 2: this all started as nistand with a dog that came
Speaker 2: from a different part of the world, had rabies that
Speaker 2: had been adopted by a family in Pennsylvania. So is
Speaker 2: this the genesis of the uh? You know, this new
Speaker 2: ruling that has gone into one Dog, One Dog has
Speaker 2: prompted this, this this rule that now is going to
Speaker 2: affect thousands, if not taken thousands of potential adoptees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the CDC. You know, when when an agency comes
Speaker 4: out with a new regulation, they issue a rule making
Speaker 4: statement to try to explain why they're enacting or announcing
Speaker 4: this new regulation. And they said that there were four
Speaker 4: cases of poppies or dogs coming into the United States
Speaker 4: with canine rabies. I think three were from Egypt, one
Speaker 4: was from ozer by John. None of them were from
Speaker 4: the Caribbean. None of them were from canine rabies free
Speaker 4: countries like Saint Lucian all the other Caribbean islands are
Speaker 4: designated by the CDC, So it was really I mean,
Speaker 4: it's almost like if someone goes in shop lists you
Speaker 4: just arrest the entire town, right they disarrest everyone in
Speaker 4: town and throw them all in jail. That's what it
Speaker 4: feels like.
Speaker 2: To me, overly broad administrative action that would seem to me.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: By the way, my daughter and we have where I
Speaker 2: am right now, a beautiful Corgie. It's about probably three
Speaker 2: years old. My daughter adopted him from a shelter two
Speaker 2: years ago, and the amount of joy and happiness that
Speaker 2: Mustard has brought into our family is beyond description, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. So obviously you're doing I think
Speaker 2: the right thing here for a lot of people. With
Speaker 2: all the dogs that we have in this country, we
Speaker 2: have kill shelters, and you know, we have a lot
Speaker 2: of dogs in this country. How many people end up
Speaker 2: adopting dogs in America from offshore. Do you have any
Speaker 2: idea as your research discovered that issue, as to how
Speaker 2: many people are potentially affected here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Bruno Project at last count, since
Speaker 4: they sort of formally formed about six or seven years ago,
Speaker 4: you know, they're up to several thousand dogs. I think
Speaker 4: they may be you know, pushing eight or nine thousand
Speaker 4: dogs that they have gotten adopted, largely in the United States,
Speaker 4: some in Canada. I think a very small percentage might
Speaker 4: be adopted by families in Europe and these other organizations
Speaker 4: I think have very similar numbers. So we are talking about,
Speaker 4: you know, thousands of dogs per year. And I certainly understand,
Speaker 4: you know, some people's views that there are already enough
Speaker 4: dogs in US shelters, why aren't we adopting them. I'm
Speaker 4: a champion of all dogs, so I'm supporting those shelters,
Speaker 4: those strays in the United States, but also the dogs
Speaker 4: coming from these islands that really deserve a chance.
Speaker 2: And what can individuals who are listening to the show tonight,
Speaker 2: who who like you, love dogs, other than following the
Speaker 2: case and certainly try to follow the case next week
Speaker 2: and see what happens. Hopefully you get you get a
Speaker 2: hearing and it's just not done on paper, and you
Speaker 2: actually get in front of the district court judge and
Speaker 2: you get a ruling that is a ruling we want.
Speaker 2: But what what can people do to support you? I mean,
Speaker 2: I I assume that this is the case that's costing
Speaker 2: you a lot of money to to to go forward,
Speaker 2: and you probably don't have a class per se, you
Speaker 2: don't have someone with big bucks. What what what's going on?
Speaker 2: I mean, what what can we do to help you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well no, I so I'm doing this pro bono and
Speaker 4: you know, for a for a lawyer, time is money.
Speaker 4: But I'm willing to donate my time. If I have
Speaker 4: to go into pocket for experts or whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's fine. You know, we'll make that happen. I
Speaker 4: think what people can do. You know, first, if you
Speaker 4: feel strongly about these organizations, donate, you know, Google search them,
Speaker 4: find out what they need. Sometimes they just need supplies
Speaker 4: to help foster the dogs on the island themselves, you know,
Speaker 4: money for dog food, money for veterinarian care. That's one
Speaker 4: thing people can do. The other thing is that legislative
Speaker 4: change always is the most durable. And so if you
Speaker 4: feel strongly, call your congress person, call your senator. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm planning on calling our senators here in Massachusetts, my representative,
Speaker 4: you know, here in Middlesex County and letting them know
Speaker 4: that you know, this is an issue that I think
Speaker 4: cuts across the aisle and that you know, frankly, I
Speaker 4: think Congress should look at because the CDC. I think
Speaker 4: this is an example of an agency just run a monk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's an agency almost in search of
Speaker 2: a cause. It sounds to me like if there are
Speaker 2: two or three dogs that came into the country with rabies,
Speaker 2: I would assume there would be a way to isolate
Speaker 2: those dogs, get them healthy, make sure that no one
Speaker 2: is injured. There's a way to do it other than
Speaker 2: just banning all dogs from coming into the country, you know, all.
Speaker 4: Adult Absolutely absolutely. I mean I call this sort of
Speaker 4: an irrational solution to a non existent problem. And you
Speaker 4: know that's what happens.
Speaker 2: It's a solution in search of a problem.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And look, sometimes that's just how agencies act. And
Speaker 4: that's why I think, you know, sometimes courts just need
Speaker 4: to step in.
Speaker 2: Well. Attorney Aaron Katz. Best of luck, will follow it
Speaker 2: and get get a hopefully you get a good ruling,
Speaker 2: and if you if you have to get some sort
Speaker 2: of an injunction to stop the ruling from going into effect.
Speaker 2: That that's the first step. And best of luck in
Speaker 2: court or whenever you get into court. But best of
Speaker 2: the best, best of luck as you pursue what for
Speaker 2: you is more than an important legal issue, obviously, it's
Speaker 2: kind of personal. And best of luck. I hope you.
Speaker 4: Probably so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, Dan, thank youlome Attorney Aaron Katz.
Speaker 2: When we get back, we're going to talk about something
Speaker 2: which I'd never heard of. There's a lot of the
Speaker 2: topics here on a night side, particularly the first hour,
Speaker 2: that I that I do not know a lot about.
Speaker 2: It's called the disciplined listening method. How a certified forensic
Speaker 2: interviewer unlocks hidden value in every conversation. Well, I should
Speaker 2: learn about this because that's what I do for a living.
Speaker 2: We engage in conversations. I'll be back with Michael Reddington
Speaker 2: right after this break news at the bottom of the arrow.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Ray. Rob Brooks is back in the
Speaker 2: control room. Don't call yet. We'll open up the phone
Speaker 2: lines after nine o'clock. We'll tell you what topics we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about tonight, and I'll also remind you
Speaker 2: we will have a snap presidential poll, as we do
Speaker 2: every final eleven o'clock twentieth hour Friday night. We've done
Speaker 2: this March, April, May, June, and this will be our
Speaker 2: fifth in July. We have a different Democratic nominee this time. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we'll see if that changes things. But in the meantime,
Speaker 2: sit back, listen to the news, and we'll be back
Speaker 2: on the other side, and we'll both learn about this
Speaker 2: disciplined listening method. Probably all of us can benefit from that.
Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, this is something very well occasionally there's something
Speaker 2: that I learned about here on night side. Actually I
Speaker 2: learned a lot, but I have never heard about the
Speaker 2: disciplined and listening method. And with us is Michael Reddington.
Speaker 2: He's a certified forensic interviewer. Michael Reddington. That sounds pretty fancy.
Speaker 2: What let's start with the basics. What is a certified
Speaker 2: forensic interviewer?
Speaker 5: Well appreciate having me on, Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: A certified forensic interviewer as a professional investigator who has
Speaker 5: achieved the designated, the designation of expertise. That really means
Speaker 5: that they should be able to conduct a morally, legally
Speaker 5: and ethically successful interview across a wide variety of context
Speaker 5: and investigations.
Speaker 2: So, do you work on criminal investigations as well as,
Speaker 2: you know, private investigations. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Previously in my career, yes, although I'm still on the
Speaker 5: board for the International Association of Interviewers, I spent my
Speaker 5: time largely working as an executive resource currently, but in
Speaker 5: my time as an investigator, I worked a lot in
Speaker 5: the private sector, so white collar crime, fraud, investment, theft, harassment, discrimination,
Speaker 5: so forth, but also on the criminal side as well. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: your assault cases, your crimes against people cases, sexual violence
Speaker 5: and such.
Speaker 2: Okay, So explain to us then, the concept of forensic interview.
Speaker 2: Most of us we think of forensics. We think of
Speaker 2: looking at you know, blood samples and entire tracks, things
Speaker 2: that are all scientific. It sounds to me like this
Speaker 2: is scientific way to listen to interviews.
Speaker 5: You nailed it. It really is a scientific backed approach
Speaker 5: where you're conductingat investigative interviews in a way to gather
Speaker 5: the evidence necessary for successful judication of whatever the incident is,
Speaker 5: and that could be through an hr eer process on
Speaker 5: the private sector side, or through the court process that
Speaker 5: more people are familiar with on the public sectoricide.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you wrote a book called The Disciplined Listening Method.
Speaker 2: Explain it on a practical basis. What can people learn
Speaker 2: from the book that will have application in their in
Speaker 2: their personal life, assuming most of them are not professional investigators.
Speaker 5: So to use the parliaments we were just speaking in.
Speaker 5: Really it's how to obtain the everyday confession. So if
Speaker 5: we think about it, really, all the confession is is
Speaker 5: somebody choosing to share sensitive information under vulnerable circumstances in
Speaker 5: the face of consequences. And if we think about it
Speaker 5: as parents, as bosses, as friends, as sales professionals, leaders, negotiators, teachers,
Speaker 5: list goes on. How many times a day do we
Speaker 5: ask people to a sensitive information under vulnerable circumstances in
Speaker 5: the face of perceived consequences is constant. So what we've
Speaker 5: done with the discipline Listening Method is we've taken research
Speaker 5: and best practices from both the world of investigative interviewing
Speaker 5: and business communication to provide people with strategy tactics frameworks
Speaker 5: to continue to evolve their strategic observation and ethical persuasion techniques.
Speaker 5: It really comes down to, if you want somebody to
Speaker 5: share information that they feel at all is sensitive, how
Speaker 5: do we help them save faith and how do we
Speaker 5: create the communication experience that they need in order for
Speaker 5: them to feel comfortable sharing the information.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want you to get a little specific with
Speaker 2: me on this, Okay, because I'm certain I'm an attorney,
Speaker 2: and in my practice, I've been involved in depositions and
Speaker 2: as a reporter for many many years, I was involved
Speaker 2: in investing gative journalism, and I did stories in television
Speaker 2: here for WBZ and Boston that put a well known
Speaker 2: insane presidential candidate in jail. And I also was able
Speaker 2: to procure the release or help procure the release of
Speaker 2: four men who had been had been indicted intentionally and
Speaker 2: wrongfully by corrupt FBI agents for murder they had never
Speaker 2: had anything whatsoever to do with And so it takes
Speaker 2: a lot, but give us give us kind of a
Speaker 2: more everyday example of how you would apply your theories
Speaker 2: here and what people could learn from the book that
Speaker 2: would help them in their own personal.
Speaker 5: Lives certainly, so we started a family level. So one
Speaker 5: of our principles is focus on the issue, not the person,
Speaker 5: focus on the resolution, not the consequences. So quite often
Speaker 5: we ask questions that come across as accusatory when we
Speaker 5: don't mean them to be. So anytime you start a
Speaker 5: question with did you or why didn't you, people feel
Speaker 5: immediately accused or why you know, why did you or
Speaker 5: why didn't you? People feel immediately accused. So instead of
Speaker 5: making the question about the person, make the question about
Speaker 5: the outcome or the issue that you're trying to resolve.
Speaker 5: And perhaps the simplest one ever, which actually resolved a
Speaker 5: quite comedic disagreement between my wife and I, is instead
Speaker 5: of saying every morning, did you feed the dog? That
Speaker 5: has the dog been said yet? Because if you say
Speaker 5: did you feed the dog? Really, what that feels like
Speaker 5: is you're accusing me of not feeding the dog.
Speaker 2: Yelp. Whoever the you is, it's your responsibility, and what
Speaker 2: you're saying is that's really a shared responsibility in a
Speaker 2: family unless one of you has assumed that responsibility to
Speaker 2: the exclusion of the other person. I get that. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's a pretty goodntion. So what you're saying is
Speaker 2: that that that the language, the approach of the language
Speaker 2: often can adduce a better response.
Speaker 5: Yes, the word choices that we make are going to
Speaker 5: elicit an emotional response from our counterparts. Unfortunately, all too
Speaker 5: often they create an unintentional or listen, an unintentional emotional
Speaker 5: response from our counterparts that cause us somebody to react
Speaker 5: in a way that we didn't anticipate, which then begins
Speaker 5: to fuel a little bit of confrontation because now that
Speaker 5: surprised us. That's not what we wanted, that's not what
Speaker 5: our intentions, and we respond in kind. Even if you
Speaker 5: flip into a teenager that was supposed to be home
Speaker 5: at midnight and they come strolling in at twelve thirty,
Speaker 5: sure we can go ahead and confront them, but we
Speaker 5: know that's just going to be met with immediate resistance.
Speaker 5: So instead of hitting them with a while, were you late?
Speaker 5: You know what your curfew was, you don't listen, you
Speaker 5: don't care, give me the keys, you know, how much
Speaker 5: did you drink tonight? Those kind of questions. Instead, if
Speaker 5: we hit them with, well, you know, it's easy to
Speaker 5: get carried away. And we've got friends who maybe need
Speaker 5: a ride home and aren't ready to go yet. I'm
Speaker 5: just curious, how early in the evening did you start
Speaker 5: to realize that you likely weren't going to make it
Speaker 5: home by midnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I have one. I tend
Speaker 2: to be the person in my house who goes to
Speaker 2: the grocery store. I happen to enjoy a guy, but
Speaker 2: I like going to the grocery store because I like
Speaker 2: making sure that the food in the house is fresh
Speaker 2: and that I check out, you know, used by labels
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. That's just something. And I also
Speaker 2: like to watch my dollars. I used to say my pennies,
Speaker 2: that's red gone, not my dollars. And some folks in
Speaker 2: my family am not going to identify who although they
Speaker 2: know who I'm talking about, they will always say to me,
Speaker 2: are you going to the store today? And I I
Speaker 2: kind of after a while, I would say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: why don't you just ask me would you mind going
Speaker 2: to the store? And you get a better response because
Speaker 2: if it's are you going to the store today, it's
Speaker 2: sort of like I'm going to ask you to do
Speaker 2: something if you say yes, but you're going anyway? It's
Speaker 2: almost like that track.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: So that's an example of language that I think is important.
Speaker 2: Someoneld say it's pretty picky, owned I would where you
Speaker 2: would sit on that one.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's picky. I think it's strategic. And
Speaker 5: to think about applying a strategic thought process to our
Speaker 5: personal conversations might turn some people's stomachs or raise an eyebrow,
Speaker 5: but really what we're doing is we're cultivating the best
Speaker 5: relationships we can. And we're not perfect, and we all
Speaker 5: have our moments. But the word choice is going to
Speaker 5: convey respect, It's going to convey care or empathy or
Speaker 5: concern or whatever it is in the situation. So to
Speaker 5: your point, absolutely, are you're gonna go to the store today?
Speaker 2: Is that what.
Speaker 5: Feels like a trap question? Because if I say no,
Speaker 5: You're going to ask me to which is what you
Speaker 5: really want to do. But if I say yes, now,
Speaker 5: really what I'm doing is stepping up to volunteer to
Speaker 5: do whatever it is you want me to do. So instead,
Speaker 5: if the question was I'll use the term dad, I
Speaker 5: don't mean to potentially throw any of your children under
Speaker 5: the bus. If that's what they.
Speaker 6: Trust me on that before both of us get into
Speaker 6: big trouble there you go. Hi, all right, So give
Speaker 6: us the name of the book again and how they
Speaker 6: can find that The Disciplined Listening Method available.
Speaker 5: Where Amazon, Barns and Nobles, and they can sample it
Speaker 5: at discipline Listening dot com.
Speaker 2: Sounds great, sounds great. Enjoy the conversation. I really did, Michael,
Speaker 2: you I learned a lot. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Appreciate have a great evening you too when we get back.
Speaker 2: When we talk about normally we talk about bad weather here.
Speaker 2: We've had some bad weather weekends here in New England
Speaker 2: for those of you around the country, Yes, all of
Speaker 2: us have had bad weather weekends. But we have a
Speaker 2: perfect weather weekend. We had a just a Chamber of
Speaker 2: Commerce day today, we have another Chamber of Commerce day
Speaker 2: tomorrow and Sunday. It's going to be almost perfect, almost perfect,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to get back into some of
Speaker 2: the muggy heat next week. But we're going to talk
Speaker 2: when we get back about with one of our ACU
Speaker 2: weather meteorologist, John Ferrick, about why we're going to be
Speaker 2: so lucky this weekend. It's a great weather forecast. Let's
Speaker 2: luxuriate it. We'll be back with John Ferrick right after
Speaker 2: the break here on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're listening to me in New England tonight,
Speaker 2: you know that we had a beautiful weather day this Friday,
Speaker 2: and we have another beautiful weather day coming up tomorrow
Speaker 2: and pretty much a carbon copy I think, coming up
Speaker 2: on Sunday with us as ACCU Weather meteorologist John Ferrick. John,
Speaker 2: normally we're talking to you about a rainy weekend or
Speaker 2: you know, all sorts of problems in the wintertime. We're
Speaker 2: talking about a snowstorm coming. And is there a better
Speaker 2: weather weekend that we will ever enjoy? In your this weekend?
Speaker 7: I don't think so, Dan, I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: at least as far as late July goes with the
Speaker 7: low humidity, Yeah, I think this is about as good
Speaker 7: as you could ask for.
Speaker 2: So why are we so lucky here? Everything? I know
Speaker 2: we've gone through some really hot, humid weather in July,
Speaker 2: but it's July. You expect that What what forces have
Speaker 2: combined to give us everything we wanted? Here? Uh? This weekend?
Speaker 2: Everything everything is lined up correctly. What why are we
Speaker 2: so lucky.
Speaker 7: Well, just the timing of a cold front came through yesterday,
Speaker 7: you know, and and behind that front and humidity has
Speaker 7: dropped significantly, and then we've got cool Canadian high pressure
Speaker 7: that's in control, you know, cool as far as July
Speaker 7: standards anyway, And that's pretty much going to be in
Speaker 7: control right through the weekend. It starts to give way
Speaker 7: a little bit early next week, but you know, through Sunday,
Speaker 7: things are looking really nice.
Speaker 2: You know, last summer, if I'm correct, we had a
Speaker 2: lot of rainy weekends, and then we started out this
Speaker 2: summer too, having a couple of decent weekends but a
Speaker 2: lot of kind of off rainy weekends that I assume
Speaker 2: that's just the luck of the draw, right realistically, or
Speaker 2: is that the most part.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's yeah, exactly, that's just the luck of the
Speaker 7: draw for the most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you probably haven't done this, but I'm just
Speaker 2: wondering if you've taken a look back again. This is
Speaker 2: the last weekend of July. One would argue, this is
Speaker 2: the middle of the summer. June is behind us, July
Speaker 2: is almost over, Labor Days five or six weeks away,
Speaker 2: and then the thing's cool up this is the middle
Speaker 2: of This is the middle weekend, one of the middle
Speaker 2: weekends of summer. Can you look back in your memory
Speaker 2: bank or even on them and find find one that
Speaker 2: is as crystal clear as today without the humidity, but
Speaker 2: a nice blue, bright blue sunny sky. I mean, I
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that really we had a good one. Go ahead.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, no, sorry, no, last weekend wasn't too bad,
Speaker 7: but it was you know, it wasn't probably as nice
Speaker 7: as this one. And and you know, you go back
Speaker 7: the weekend after the fourth of July, I really wasn't
Speaker 7: a whole lot of rain to speak of with that,
Speaker 7: but yeah, it's it's been hard to come by in general.
Speaker 7: You go back into June and certainly there was a
Speaker 7: lot more in terms of at least one day kind
Speaker 7: of having having some problems.
Speaker 2: You know, the other the other thing too, John, And
Speaker 2: I don't want to make this sound like a Chamber
Speaker 2: of a New England Chamber of Congress, but you look
Speaker 2: around the country and you look at the tornadoes that
Speaker 2: have hit all across well generally the plains in the
Speaker 2: Midwest and now Upper New York State. You'll look at
Speaker 2: some of the flooding down in Houston earlier this month.
Speaker 2: Some of the rainstorms that that have just been unbelievably
Speaker 2: horrific for people. And you realize that we get our
Speaker 2: problems up here, but our weather in New England I think,
Speaker 2: for the most part, is the best weather in the country.
Speaker 2: My right or wrong? Am I imagining things? I mean,
Speaker 2: I ah, if you could live anywhere, I mean down south,
Speaker 2: it's great in the winter time, but it's hot in
Speaker 2: the summertime, Texas hot. You know, they're talking about hundreds
Speaker 2: of in California, temperatures in the hundreds. Fires in the
Speaker 2: upper Northwest. The worst thing we get is a is
Speaker 2: a snowstorm or a blizzard. Yeah, usually usually, usually that's
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 7: And if you don't mind the snow, I would probably
Speaker 7: say the Northeast is the best place to be. You
Speaker 7: don't have to worry about well most of the time
Speaker 7: once in a while, but you don't have to worry
Speaker 7: about earthquakes for the most part or anything like that too.
Speaker 2: So and then the last question I have, at least
Speaker 2: for now, and I know this is probably looking into
Speaker 2: the future. I remember in early July rather early June,
Speaker 2: we were told, well, the hurricane season has officially started
Speaker 2: and other than Burle, which gave us that gave us
Speaker 2: some problems, it's been relatively quiet. What's it look like
Speaker 2: in the tropics, and were looking at an active month
Speaker 2: in August or is that too far too far to look.
Speaker 7: It definitely looks like it's going to get more active
Speaker 7: in August.
Speaker 2: You know, when you get a.
Speaker 7: Storm early like Burle, people kind of expected to continue
Speaker 7: to keep cranking. And usually July itself is actually not
Speaker 7: that active.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: The peak is really from August through October. So things
Speaker 7: are going to ramp up here certainly over the next
Speaker 7: couple of weeks. And I'm sure we're gonna come out
Speaker 7: of this spell here of not a whole lot going
Speaker 7: on in the tropics.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is enjoy this weekend that not
Speaker 2: everyone's not going to be like that. John Ferick, thank
Speaker 2: you so much. I appreciate it. As they say, normally
Speaker 2: we have a lot of negative stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2: It's fun to talk with you on a positive note.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us tonight. Okay, thank you all right,
Speaker 2: So that that takes care of this hour. We will
Speaker 2: be back after the nine o'clock news and we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about a story both in the Globe and
Speaker 2: the Herald today, and we're going to be talking with
Speaker 2: a state representative here in Massachusetts, or Paul Frost, about
Speaker 2: real problems with the shelter system that we've talked about
Speaker 2: so much. And it just seems to me that there
Speaker 2: is now a realization amongst everyone up on Beacon Hill
Speaker 2: that this is a situation that we probably have bitten
Speaker 2: off more than we can choose. So we'll talk with
Speaker 2: Paul Frost and talk with you if you're one of
Speaker 2: those communities that is dealing with the situation of shelter
Speaker 2: in terms of what it's doing to your school system,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Yeah, what's done is done. Decisions were made,
Speaker 2: but it looks to me as if the governor now
Speaker 2: has decided that, hey, we cannot house the entire world population.
Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious. It didn't take a brain surgeon to
Speaker 2: come up with that conclusion. And we'll talk about how
Speaker 2: we got here and maybe how we get out of
Speaker 2: this situation or is there a way out of it,
Speaker 2: And we'll explain it all right after the nine o'clock news,
Speaker 2: and then i'll remind you later on tonight at eleven o'clock,
Speaker 2: we'll have a snap poll on who is your pick
Speaker 2: for president right now? If the election we're held today.
Speaker 2: We've done this the last Friday of Nightside in March, April, May,
Speaker 2: and June. This will be our fifth one. We'll do
Speaker 2: one in August, one in September, and one in October.
Speaker 2: And of course the one that will really count will
Speaker 2: be the one that's held on November fifth. But well,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it all coming back right after the
Speaker 2: ninth