WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:05.040 It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZY, Boston's news 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:06.280 radio Dance. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.880 Thanks a lot, Buddy, Welcome Nightside WBZ. No heavy lifting 4 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:11.960 here tonight. I'm gonna tell you right now, if you 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:13.839 want to think too much, watch Fox are singing and 6 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:16.800 we're not doing that stuff here. We're having fun. Emily 7 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:21.480 Kennedy is joining us. She is an entertainment powerhouse ladies 8 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:24.679 and gentlemen. She's with the WSM Agency. And we're going 9 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.120 to talk about the state of entertainment. But before we 10 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:32.240 get going, because my previous guest, greenwriter and personal friend 11 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.799 of one Gary Tangway Dreuiano said that Diehard is not 12 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:36.840 a Christmas movie. 13 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:39.439 Now, Rob Brooks, our producer, says, it is. 14 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:45.520 What say you, I don't. 15 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.119 Know if I can provide much insight on that. 16 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:50.520 Sure, I mean, there's a Christmas party. 17 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.000 It's an office Christmas party that Bruce willis. There you go. 18 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:55.320 It's an office Christmas party. 19 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:57.000 That's enough. That's enough for me. 20 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:57.759 There you go. 21 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:02.880 So anyways, Emily is because I want to there is 22 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.959 a serious tone to this conversation about the state of 23 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:11.200 entertainment now, and you know, and it's very important to 24 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:13.840 our society how we consume it. And I sit there 25 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:17.519 and I wonder, you know, is Instagram going to be 26 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:20.280 the new thing? Because my wife will sit there on 27 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.959 Instagram and just go for a half hour and just 28 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:24.879 laugh at stuff, and I go, you gotta be kidding me. 29 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:29.799 There's no three acts in Instagram. There's no rising action. Okay, 30 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:32.599 there's no hero there's no comedy. There's like one punchline 31 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:37.920 and you move on. So do you think that the 32 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:41.560 entertainment arena will be back like it was before COVID. 33 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.760 I think it definitely will. I think it's definitely influenced 34 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:50.040 by social media, which I don't necessarily think is a 35 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.719 bad thing. I think people are consuming you know, media 36 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.159 in a different way. But I think people will always 37 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.239 respond to authentic storytelling. And I think with streamers right now, 38 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.680 it really opens up the doors for a lot more 39 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:08.759 storytelling to be had, and people want authenticity and they 40 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.199 want you know, they see you know, Real Housewives and 41 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.800 they see all of these stories being told and they 42 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.919 don't really know the difference between reality and you know, 43 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.599 scripted television. But I think that there's really an opportunity 44 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.120 for a lot of stories to be told in not 45 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.080 what you know, in the nineties, who would say like 46 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.879 happy ending and like all of these things that needed, 47 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.439 you know, like likable characters. I think that that's gone, 48 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.080 and I think that's a good thing. And I'm excited 49 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.759 to see what stories come out and what has come 50 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.840 out like it's I think it's a good thing. I 51 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.560 think people want to see people being real and honest, 52 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.639 and they want to see themselves reflected in that. 53 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.240 That's a great point. That is a really good point 54 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:55.680 because you look at what's going on with the Menendez 55 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.319 brothers now, and they did kill their parents. I mean 56 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.159 they did. They did, and I'm not going to get 57 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:07.800 into that topic, but they're there right now because of 58 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:11.759 the documentary and because of the series. 59 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:14.759 They're here right Did you see it? 60 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.439 I did not. I couldn't. I just can't. I can't. 61 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.280 Like they did Dahmer, I forgot, what's the name of 62 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:25.840 the series. It's uh uh, they did Dahmer, and then 63 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:27.280 they did the Menendez Brothers. 64 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.960 Yeah, Ryan Murphy, who who's very skewed to like the 65 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:35.960 kind of like twisted and dark darkness of society, which. 66 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.960 Well, yeah, I mean, but but I can't. Did you 67 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:39.719 did you watch it? 68 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.240 I did watch it. I found it fascinating. I think 69 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:45.800 the Menenda's brothers did not agree with the way that 70 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:50.000 they were portrayed. But I think people have a deep 71 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.319 interest in the darkness, and because the darkness is there, 72 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:58.400 it's it's real. People want to see authentic and realness, 73 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:00.719 whether it's true or not, but like they want to 74 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.439 understand themselves in that kind of aspect, and I think 75 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:08.400 it's a good interesting way to go down. You know, 76 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.080 I'm tired of like the happy endings and like the easy, 77 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.240 easy ways out like for it. 78 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.920 But oh no, you're breaking my heart. I mean, I'm 79 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:20.560 a sap. 80 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:22.199 Are you kidding me? I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna 81 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.560 watch planes, trains and automobiles, you know, tomorrow night. I 82 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.879 want I want the happy ending. I want the payoff. 83 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.759 I mean, I'm so depressed with everything that's been going on. 84 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.199 I need a little I need a little uh happy 85 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:38.240 ending here this Christmas. But no, I understand what you're saying, 86 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.800 because there's no doubt with shows like Succession, right, and 87 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.399 with the fact that people love reality TV or scripted 88 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:51.399 television now is based on true stories. 89 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:52.399 I mean that's the whole thing. 90 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:54.560 Is you take a look at the process that first 91 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.199 there's a book, then there's a documentary, and then there's 92 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:03.360 the scripted series right which is based loosely on the documentary. 93 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.920 So there's no doubt that there is a fascination with 94 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:06.600 the darkness. 95 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.120 And it's so interesting because I'm working on a play 96 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:12.319 right now where I'm playing Norman Mailer. Yes, that is 97 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.519 self promotion by tango here, and he says it in 98 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.160 the monologue. He says it in the monologue. He goes, 99 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.000 you know, I'm fascinated with the darkness. And my wife 100 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.639 is right there with you. When we're driving. She listens 101 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.560 to murder podcasts and I'm like, what are we doing? 102 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:30.560 And I'm telling you. 103 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.600 The female audience I'm gonna I guess I'm stereotyping. I 104 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.639 don't know how you and your friends think, but the 105 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.319 female audience from murder podcasts, I think are through the roof. 106 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.879 Yeah, it is, it is. I think there's I think honestly, 107 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.240 it's if you can involve yourself in the drama of 108 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.360 something else that is worse than what you're going through. 109 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.040 There's like a sort of convalescence in that, or sort 110 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:59.160 of like a comfort and you feel a little bit better, 111 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.600 which I don't necessarily agree with, but I understand that 112 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:07.600 dynamic of seeing something horrific happen and then you can 113 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.600 like take your I mean, the whole thing about entertainment 114 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.920 is put your brain on the shelf. Right, whatever you're 115 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.000 going through and whatever is bad in your life, you 116 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.879 can like put your brain on the shelf and just 117 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.959 live through something else. And I think there is a 118 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.519 fascination with living through something horrific watching it on screen 119 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.800 and it almost makes you feel better about whatever you're 120 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:28.399 going through. 121 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.079 Which, yeah, that certainly makes sense, because I mean, I 122 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.360 have a friend, Sam Maler, was with us last night 123 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.240 and he just signed a deal. He's doing a podcast. 124 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:47.120 He's doing forty eight episodes. Forty eight episodes. And Sam 125 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.000 went out to LA to be a stand up comic. Okay, 126 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:55.839 he ended up pitching and producing Oh my god, I 127 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:01.079 just got I just faced the Intervention Intervention show right, 128 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.360 which is still going twenty five years later, which is 129 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:08.920 about intervention when people like have addictions, whether it's drugs 130 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:14.759 or co you know, hard drugs, or cutting, or shopaholics. 131 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.199 Or people who can't throw stuff away? 132 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.600 What do they call it? When you've this's a word 133 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.199 for yes. You know, he did one on hoarders, you know, 134 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.160 where they have to have an intervention. I said, I 135 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.040 thought you went out to la be a stand up comic. 136 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:28.879 He goes, hey, man, it's paying the bills. It's been 137 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:30.279 on for twenty five years. 138 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.079 Now five years. 139 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.480 And now the podcast he's got coming out which people 140 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:40.839 have to look out for. It's all about families where 141 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:46.439 relatives have murdered each other. You sound like you were 142 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.560 into that. I mean, you just sounded like, Okay, I 143 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.120 can't wait. I can't wait to hear that. I said, Meloe, 144 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:52.600 you've got to be kidding me. And he goes, and that, 145 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.279 and that's be on the lookout for that, folks. It's 146 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:58.279 going to be on all the podcasting. You know, apple 147 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:02.199 whatever iHeart, I'm gonna promote iHeart here they're the boss. 148 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.560 But what it is is like he's he he as 149 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.879 a co host and in her family, I can't remember 150 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.720 what her daughter, her sister killed her father or kissed him. 151 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.240 And that's what the whole thing is about, is about 152 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:19.240 siblings killing parents, or brothers killing sisters or parents killing 153 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:19.680 each other. 154 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.279 It's insane, and I know it's going to be successful. 155 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:24.319 Yeah. 156 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.319 I mean, I also think there's something about us that 157 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.079 has a rage inside us. I was just listening to 158 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:34.080 a podcast that's Happier Verdam who played Pablo Escobar, and 159 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:35.919 he was talking about how he got into the role 160 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.759 and he was saying, there is rage and violence inside 161 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.080 of you, and he's like, it's so freeing to inhabit 162 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.919 a role where you actually get to expand that and 163 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.120 see that without consequence. And I think that's the same 164 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.440 thing with the media, Like there is I mean, we're divided, 165 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:55.240 there's a lot going on in the country right now. 166 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.879 There's a lot of rage inside of people, and to 167 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.279 see it portrayed in that way, it kind of like 168 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.799 therapeutically allows you to feel those feelings. Like I you know, 169 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.559 people you know might want to hurt someone, but they 170 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.000 they're not going to because they're a human being. But 171 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.960 like to see that portrayed it kind of like, I 172 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.200 don't know, it's cathartic to them in a way, which 173 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:21.600 I don't know what that says about where we are 174 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.240 right now, but I think there is definitely something that 175 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.919 people gravitate to towards you know, true crime and all 176 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:33.240 these stories, and I think, you know, it the dark 177 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:34.240 look at our country. 178 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:37.080 But no, I think what you're saying is on the money, 179 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.840 it gives you permission to go to. 180 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:40.679 The dark side. 181 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.960 Yeah, exactly, I'm watching a TV show. I'm not evil, 182 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.080 they are right, right, but I'm watching the TV show 183 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.559 you know where family members are killing each other. It's 184 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:55.240 it's insane, it's it's but it's huge. I mean, there's 185 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.720 no doubt about it. Okay, we got more to cover 186 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.879 here on what's going on in how what's going on 187 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:05.440 with content And obviously NBC made a big move. Uh, 188 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.720 they're going to be putting more money into Peacock. We'll 189 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:10.879 talk about that with Emily Kennedy. Uh, she's a manager 190 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.600 with w SM Talent. More after this on WBZ. 191 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.200 Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World 192 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.799 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 193 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.320 The State of Entertainment, it's that topic right now, Emily 194 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.320 Kennedy joining us from WSM Talent. 195 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.080 Okay, Emily Peacock. 196 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:32.960 NBC just made this announcement that they're taking MSNBC and 197 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.320 the Sci Fi Channel and E and all these other 198 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.759 channels and they're putting them under another title. Disney did 199 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.279 this with ESPN, right so Disney spot off ESPN, feeling 200 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.200 that ESPN was eventually going to be sold. 201 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:49.679 I don't know if that's going to happen or not. 202 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.240 That was talked that Apple may buy them. 203 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:56.279 And then now obviously what NBC is doing or Comcast 204 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.200 is they're spinning off these these stations that aren't successful anymore. 205 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:04.279 Perhaps somebody will buy them, we don't know, but they're 206 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:09.279 putting more money into Peacock. So streaming, I mean, we 207 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.600 we know, and this has been happening, but now it 208 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.399 seems like it's what are we going to have? We're 209 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:17.440 going to have just like we had NBC, ABC, UH, CBS. 210 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:23.279 Are we going to have Peacock, Netflix and Disney, except 211 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.200 it's going to be streaming instead of watching it on 212 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:26.759 your TV or flipping. 213 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.720 Channels, right, I mean, the biggest problem I just read 214 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.840 Peter Biskins's book about like the clash of like what's 215 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.320 happening with the streamers and like you know, Netflix and 216 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.919 all this stuff. The big their biggest problem is they're 217 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.399 hiring tech people inside and they're kicking out all the 218 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:47.159 executive suites of creative people. So now they have executives 219 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.960 that are holding these offices and they're seeing the approach 220 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.600 to storytelling in a way that's very much algorithm drawn, 221 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:59.519 and you know, they're they're not really making a creative 222 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:04.440 home or directors and cinematographers and people who actually care 223 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.519 about the creative process. And it's creating a lot of problems. 224 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.919 I mean, Bob Ager just came back for Disney and 225 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.080 he kind of like cleaned it up and made it 226 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.080 a little bit better. But it's it's a problem, like, 227 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.120 we don't want algorithms. We want creative people. We want 228 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:23.440 to keep the creativeness in our storytelling, and we don't 229 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:26.200 want it to be an algorithm that's on our phone. 230 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.720 We want it to be you know, but it used 231 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:29.960 to be. 232 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.559 But well, I mean you could certainly, you know, if 233 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.320 you want however you want to measure it, right, if 234 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.080 you want to however you want to measure it, that 235 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.159 doesn't mean that it can't be creative. Because Sarrandos, who 236 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:44.159 runs Netflix, whenever I hear him speak, he seems to 237 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:48.879 be a pretty intelligent guy. Noweh, Obviously, you know when 238 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:51.440 Netflix had the meeting with the agencies, and if people 239 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:53.679 don't know, Netflix had a big meeting with all the 240 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:59.399 big agencies in Hollywood, William Morris and Cia and so forth, 241 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:04.679 uta and it didn't go according to plan where they 242 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.799 didn't exactly come together on this, but he was trying 243 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.440 to explain to them that there's a new business model 244 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.159 out there, which we all understand to a degree. But 245 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.320 he seems to be a smart guy that would that 246 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:20.159 would get this. But maybe that's just not the case, 247 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.600 because I agree with you. You know, when you sit 248 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.080 there and you look at films, right and we even 249 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.639 talk about the previous segment, we talked about holiday movies 250 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.480 right now, you like, for example, you were talking about 251 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.279 you like the drama and the darkness and maybe the 252 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.879 comedies of the nineties aren't there anymore. But there really 253 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.159 hasn't been a decent holiday movie in a long time 254 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:41.639 where planes, trains and automobiles and home alone or things. 255 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:46.360 Of that native actually and holiday holiday holiday Cameron Diez 256 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.039 and love actually yes, and all of those. 257 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.759 I mean, Kurt Russell did one on Netflix that The 258 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.879 Christmas Chronicles, that I actually thought was pretty good. But 259 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.919 other than that, they've tried to do it on Netflix, 260 00:13:57.960 --> 00:13:59.840 and they've tried to do it with Disney, but it 261 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:04.399 just hasn't worked out. So whenever a Disney plush or 262 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.440 the Netflix or whenever they try to do a movie 263 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:10.080 like a film, they screw it up. 264 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.039 Yeah, I mean and again, like holiday movies are not 265 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.879 meant to be horrifying you or you know what we 266 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.840 talked about before, They're meant to be heartfelt happy. Hallmark, 267 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.240 you know, Hallmark has like so many movies out that 268 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:26.879 are coming out. 269 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.279 Are you surprised the success of Hallmark? 270 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:35.519 I'm not. 271 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.919 I am not, because like I wanted to say this 272 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:42.519 point earlier, like with the advent of like we're opening 273 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:44.960 up the door for so many you know, ways of 274 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.600 storytelling and people consuming it. Once you've watched too many 275 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.720 dark things, you kind of want to swing back the 276 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.480 pendulum and say I want something feel good. I want 277 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.120 something that makes me happy. And I think Christmas movies 278 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.240 are those things that make you happy. It's all always 279 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.039 a happy ending. You're getting together with your family and 280 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:04.919 there's like little fights and you like kind of like 281 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:07.960 see yourself in that and then everything works out and 282 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.279 kind of you want a warm blanket to be like 283 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:13.480 everything's going to be okay, because that's what the holidays are. 284 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.879 They're meant to be feel good, even it's meant to 285 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.000 be a break from your chaotic life. You know. 286 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.440 Well, even even when I watched the Hallmark channel, the 287 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.320 only problem I have with that is everybody's too damn 288 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:30.080 good looking to go back to the small town. 289 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.519 Look. I grew up in a small town there. I 290 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.559 don't know, but we didn't have that many supermodels and 291 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:36.120 run from there. 292 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.759 It's always like the small town girl from the big 293 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.200 city that comes back and finds her like high school 294 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.840 boyfriend and like it all works out. 295 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:46.440 Family. 296 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.360 She's got to go back and she has to do 297 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.000 a big presentation in New York City, and she's got 298 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.399 a promotion on the life and my wife, I swear 299 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.399 to God, and she she also loves I also want 300 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.879 to talk about the Law and Order franchise. She has 301 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.200 watched every Lawn Order episode at least three times, and 302 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.480 she's brilliant. She's much smarter than me. And she said, 303 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.759 you know what, I go, why do you want? She goes, 304 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:08.879 just shut up. 305 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:09.960 Just shut up. 306 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.799 I just want to watch something mindless. 307 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:13.960 Yeah, it's true. 308 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:14.720 They just want to. 309 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.240 Watch something mindless, because like the Hallmark thing is like 310 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.679 you're gonna want like you know what's going to happen, 311 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.799 you know what I mean. And they don't even suspend belief. 312 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.960 It's you know, basically hot chocolate, a little fight over 313 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.240 the marshmallows. Then they kiss under the missile till fate 314 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:32.120 the black. But they're killing it. They are absolutely killing it, 315 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.799 you know. I mean, they're in production. 316 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.960 All the time. Now here's a here's a question I 317 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:37.360 have for you. 318 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:43.799 Yeah, do you think streamers are more concerned with younger 319 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.480 audiences versus or older audiences? 320 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:47.840 And is that the right way to go? 321 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:53.519 Streamers are definitely concerned with younger audiences because the older audiences, 322 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.639 you know, you know, the unfair biases that they can't 323 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.000 figure out how to you know, stream and they can't 324 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.240 figure out you know, they're used to the old system. 325 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:07.759 I don't think it's wrong. I think it's it's evolution. 326 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.920 Like everything has to change, you know, the Hollywood studio 327 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.680 system had to change. It's just the way that things go. 328 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.680 And I think I think it's the reason why I 329 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:18.920 love it is because it's open doors for so much 330 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.680 more storytelling and so much more interesting storytelling. With it, 331 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.799 you get, like, you know, some bad stuff, but I 332 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:30.559 think it's a positive way to go. I enjoy seeing more, 333 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.720 you know, ethnically stories that are sort of like specific 334 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.680 and niche, and those stories are told and then we 335 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.480 can all consume them and we can all like understand 336 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.319 different parts of the society. I think it's great, but 337 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:46.680 it's definitely changed a lot. 338 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:47.359 For sure. 339 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.359 I think that they need to be a little more 340 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.279 concerned with the older audience, because I mean, you have 341 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.079 somebody like me, I love streamers. 342 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.000 I mean I want and I think a lot of 343 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:58.559 people do. 344 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.440 So I think there is you know, that's why Brian 345 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:08.519 Cranston still works, or that's why you know, I think 346 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:10.960 there I think there is still a market for people 347 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.160 that are fifty sixty. I think I think it's not 348 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.359 unusual enough for somebody in their sixties to to you know, 349 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.680 watch something on Disney Plus or to watch something on 350 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.160 Amazon or like Mazel, like marvel Smissus Mazel. I mean, 351 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:27.839 that's phenomenal writing. And what I mean tremended Tony Shaloub 352 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.599 and Rachel unbelievable. 353 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:35.359 And well Grace and Frankie with James Samba. I watched 354 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.440 that with my parents. They love that show. They adore 355 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.920 that show, and it's telling the story from a different 356 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.720 perspective and older perspective, and it's it's told, well, it's great, 357 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.720 she's amazing. They're both amazing. And there's definitely like a 358 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.960 market for people of an older age to find, you know, 359 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:55.680 in the streamers as well for sure. 360 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.440 Now then and then my in my house, Outer Banks 361 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:00.359 is the thing. 362 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:02.799 I haven't watched it. 363 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:05.839 Yeah, well you're not missing anything, but you know, but 364 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:06.680 I tried. 365 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:07.640 I tried. 366 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.079 Yeah, it's you know what it is. And I remember 367 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.559 because I people know. I mean, I auditioned and stuff, 368 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:17.079 and I had an agent tell me this in La Goes. 369 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.880 Listen kid, It's like, this is what you need. You 370 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:21.799 get a couple of good looking kid. You got a 371 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:24.920 couple of good looking people in their twenties. They make 372 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.480 out a little bit, they have a fight. That's all 373 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:29.920 you need. Right, So if you look at like Out 374 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.839 of Banks, I mean, it's just it's a bunch of 375 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.000 good looking people running around, you know, and and having 376 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.400 these relationships. But the thing that's so crazy about it 377 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.400 is I'm watching my daughters and even my wife cry 378 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.079 at the ending because one of the characters dies. Right, 379 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:50.680 It's so over the top. It's just so over the top. 380 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.599 But I think there's something about like every generation has that. 381 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.039 They had their nine O two one, Oh, they had. 382 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:00.440 My son. I go to my my son who's home 383 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:01.359 from college. Ago, what do you do? 384 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:01.400 What? 385 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.240 He says, I'm catching up on the oc like what 386 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:09.480 the O c But like every generation has that. I 387 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:11.440 think it started with Dawson's Creek. 388 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:12.160 To the Ocean. 389 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.599 I mean, that's what I love about The Office. The 390 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:19.319 Office was a phenomenal perfect tens across the board show 391 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.000 and it, you know, went on the air, went off 392 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.000 the air, and people like young kids are obsessed with 393 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.000 it who were not around to see it, and they 394 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.880 love it. It's a comfort blanket. They think it's hysterical, 395 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:34.440 they think it's funny that. I mean, that's what I 396 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.920 really do love about streamers is that these things exist 397 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.759 in real time, whereas before it would be something old 398 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:43.799 where you'd have to really search for it or find it. 399 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.039 But I mean the Office is a great, great case 400 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:50.519 study in like how it's had such a big resurgence 401 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.000