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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Martin willis your host, and we have I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be an interesting show this evening. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be taking a closer look at one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous and controversial stories in UFO history, the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Bob Blazar.

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<v Speaker 1>And my longtime listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Know how I feel about Bob, and some people are

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<v Speaker 2>not happy about my thoughts about him. But my guest

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<v Speaker 2>is filmmaker Luigi Vendatelli, and he's a director and producer

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<v Speaker 2>of the new documentary S four, The Bob Lazar Story.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be upfront. I've always been skeptical of

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's claims, and I still have a number of serious

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<v Speaker 2>questions about his background, education, security clearance, and certain parts

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<v Speaker 2>of his story. Luigi, on the other hand, has worked

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<v Speaker 2>closely with Bob and has a different perspective. And I

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<v Speaker 2>like Luigi, but that doesn't mean we're going to agree

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<v Speaker 2>on everything. In fact, we may get into a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a debate. My goal is to have an

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<v Speaker 2>honest but genleminly discussion, raise some of the questions that

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<v Speaker 2>continue to trouble me, and give Luigi a fair opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to explain why he finds Bob Blazar's story credible. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say from the start, since day one, looking

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<v Speaker 2>into Bob Bazaar, I really wanted his story to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I just want everyone to know that because you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to hear me. You may not believe that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what I wanted. I really wanted his story

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<v Speaker 2>to be true. I'm a long time fine art appraiser.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to scrutinize everything, and when I discover a

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<v Speaker 2>fake in a collection, naturally makes me question the entire collection.

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<v Speaker 1>And frankly, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not buying Bob's Bob Lazar's collection of stories. People

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<v Speaker 2>usually read and watch what they already believe to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure how many downloads or listens this

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<v Speaker 2>show will get, and it doesn't matter. I think we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a good time tonight. So this coming Thursday at

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<v Speaker 2>eight pm, we have Rabbi mosh Rothschild. He's on to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss UFOs and religion. We have a lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>guests coming out with Jacques Rela's coming up and many

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<v Speaker 2>other really great guests on this show. So check out

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<v Speaker 2>this week's blog over at podcastufo dot com by Charles Lear.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an academic looks into the men in Black after

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<v Speaker 2>a man in black looked into him.

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<v Speaker 1>And one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to bring this up because I have

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<v Speaker 2>decided I have this show that I do on Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>Full Self Driving, and it's I'm just fascinated by the technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that has been on this YouTube channel, and

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<v Speaker 2>I decided to put it on its own channel.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's when you're starting.

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<v Speaker 2>A YouTube I think I've had this YouTube for I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe fourteen years something like that. When you

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<v Speaker 2>start a YouTube channel, it's like being a grain of

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<v Speaker 2>sand on the beach. There's so many millions and millions

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<v Speaker 2>of shows. The link to that it's called Tesla Takes

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<v Speaker 2>a Wheel, and the link to that YouTube is below.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope you subscribe. I think I got a whopping seven

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<v Speaker 2>subscribers already. But anyway, I'm ready to get going and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm bringing my guests in.

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<v Speaker 1>Luigi, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me. Martin. It's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great to be here. We met all the way

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<v Speaker 2>back in Phoenix. I don't remember what year that was,

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<v Speaker 2>but you were with Emily Trim.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't remember. I think it was twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>or sixteen, I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds up right, Yeah, And unfortunately we lost Emily.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a very sweet and interesting girl, great artists,

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting work she did. So anyway, it's a sad

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<v Speaker 2>day she was gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Randall Nickerson and I have talked a few times

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<v Speaker 2>about doing like a show in her honor, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that'll come about at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be wonderful. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she deserves it, deserves it absolutely. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to be getting into I did watch

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<v Speaker 2>the movie. I think I told you that when I

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<v Speaker 2>saw you at Contact in the Desert, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's great that even though I said, even though you

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<v Speaker 2>know that I don't buy Bob Lazare's story, you said, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's great. And I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>hit a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Key reasons why I don't buy his story. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a connection, it's a very close connection that

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<v Speaker 2>works in archives at MIT, and she can get anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>as far and deep on printed paper, you name it,

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<v Speaker 2>that can't be expunged. And she said, never anything about him.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not anything about his supposed masters anywhere there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never been able to name a professor there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that stands out the most is in

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<v Speaker 2>a public forum when he was asked what Square was

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<v Speaker 2>outside of MIT, he said he didn't recall. Same thing

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<v Speaker 2>about he didn't recall when he got his master's degree

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<v Speaker 2>at MIT. He thinks it was around eighty two, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you said. But anyway, I've been looking into him

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, and that to me when he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know Kendall Square is right outside of MIT. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>go to lunch there without going through Kendall Square.

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<v Speaker 1>So it just and then, yeah, I hear George Knapps

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<v Speaker 1>saying he may have lied.

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<v Speaker 2>About his education. People do that for a job. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not doing it for a job. He was lying to us,

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<v Speaker 2>to all of us, that he had this MIT degree

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<v Speaker 2>and same thing with cal Tech. He just I don't

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<v Speaker 2>buy it. He's on the bottom third of his high

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<v Speaker 2>school class. Is no way he would have been accepted

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<v Speaker 2>into any of those. So I'm just going to just

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<v Speaker 2>start out with a so what do you say about that?

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing is I decided to come on your

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<v Speaker 3>show because I think you're you have good, very good.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, I like you and second of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're really good points, and I'm so used

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<v Speaker 3>to this. By the way, it's not like I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like I wasn't chastised from day one. The

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<v Speaker 3>first thing, people are like, hey, wait a second, that

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<v Speaker 3>guy is a fraud, and you got to be careful

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<v Speaker 3>with that. So I knew there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>bad press around Bob Blazaar, and there was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of controversy and people that are almost blindly believing his

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<v Speaker 3>story and other people absolutely not accepting his story no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what. So I'm very familiar with all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I became so familiar with it because I

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<v Speaker 3>spent a couple of years researching it. Really actually not

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of two years looking into it, but a

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<v Speaker 3>full year of intense research so that I would not

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<v Speaker 3>even talking to him, if he would talk to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And when it comes to education, it is undeniably, and

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Lazar knows this. It is undeniably the point that

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<v Speaker 3>is the most sensitive in the whole Bob Lazar story.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously we all for those who know Bob went

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<v Speaker 3>out when public in May of nineteen eighty nine in

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<v Speaker 3>silhouette under the pseudonym Dennis to let everybody know that

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<v Speaker 3>there was this apparent reverse engineering program. So on. But

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<v Speaker 3>then a few months later, I think it was November

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that, he came. His name was provided publicly.

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<v Speaker 3>George Knapp revealed that on the news and said Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Scott Lazar. And that's when Bob became a public figure.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when they found out who he was. And on

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of occasions he had gone to I believe

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<v Speaker 3>it was Rachel Schel, did an interview in Rachel, Nevada,

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<v Speaker 3>then did some interviews on the radio with Coast to

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<v Speaker 3>Coast with ar Bell and a whole bunch of other people. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>now I will say this obviously, and this is very

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<v Speaker 3>important that we look at this in different pieces. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So before I even begin, I will say this. When

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<v Speaker 3>we released the film The S for the Boblazar Story,

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<v Speaker 3>we had to release a digestible film, something that was

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<v Speaker 3>digestible for everyone, which covered as much as we could

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<v Speaker 3>in a reasonable time frame to allow people to have

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<v Speaker 3>the general overall story of who is Bob Blazar and

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<v Speaker 3>what is S four and what is this all? About

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<v Speaker 3>so we did an hour fifty four minutes covered a

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<v Speaker 3>him started in science and engineering, and then got to

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<v Speaker 3>listening to George Knapp about having done background background checks

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<v Speaker 3>on Babb Blazar, and then did as four and then

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<v Speaker 3>everything that followed afterwards. There the film was an hour

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<v Speaker 3>fifty four minutes. Our initial cut, because I worked with

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<v Speaker 3>Bob for four and a half years doing this, our

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<v Speaker 3>initial cut was seven hours of the film. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>imagine you have seven hours and you have to cut

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<v Speaker 3>out five hours so that people can have a digestible story.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise it's a never ending film that becomes overwhelming. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was a huge challenge, by the way, because there

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<v Speaker 3>were fundamentally important things that I wanted to have in

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<v Speaker 3>the film that I had to remove out of the

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<v Speaker 3>film because if I got into example, education, mit background

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<v Speaker 3>calt the reasons why, that opened up a segment of

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<v Speaker 3>the film that would have been so heavy on that

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<v Speaker 3>that it would not have allowed a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>other interesting parts of the story. So you can have

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<v Speaker 3>a digestible film, So I have to immediately say we

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<v Speaker 3>are working on We initially had the idea of coming

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<v Speaker 3>it on our We Are Not Alone channel, where we

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<v Speaker 3>would have a very deep dive into the Sport Model

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<v Speaker 3>the craft itself, because we did a lot of what

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<v Speaker 3>we built the craft, so we had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>work done there, and there was gonna be this episode

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<v Speaker 3>that we were gonna come out with called the Sport Model,

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<v Speaker 3>and that kind of evolved and we are now working

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<v Speaker 3>on something that is a lot more a lot more interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>let's put it that way. I'm not going to reveal

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<v Speaker 3>all the details, but I can say this, there are

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<v Speaker 3>multiple parts of that conversation regarding specifically Mit okay, that

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<v Speaker 3>will be covered in this piece that we are making.

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<v Speaker 3>I will I will say some stuff now, obviously, because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to just hold a dangling carrot. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not my point, That's not my goal here. But I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say I have to do this properly because

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<v Speaker 3>if I don't. I've always felt a certain level of

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<v Speaker 3>responsibility to make sure that whatever I put out is

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<v Speaker 3>accurate in what I was told or how I interpret

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<v Speaker 3>or why we understood it. Okay, not what a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of things have been said throughout the years about Bob

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<v Speaker 3>blazar that were completely incorrect. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>information that I found and my obviously my team had

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<v Speaker 3>found over the years that was completely inaccurate. It was

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<v Speaker 3>really incorrect information, and that obviously circulated because Job also retrieved.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically got out of the spotlight for decades. Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Bazart didn't stay in the spotlight at all. He basically

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<v Speaker 3>got out of it because he didn't enjoy what had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't enjoy the attention he was giving he was getting.

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<v Speaker 3>Regardless of the backlash that he received from people who

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<v Speaker 3>didn't believe this story, there was a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 3>people that did like Bob Blazarre regardless he wanted nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to do with them. And so that's something that unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>on the internet, and anybody could say anything on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had to do a lot of research, and

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<v Speaker 3>very you scrutinize, let's say, antiques and paintings. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have an obsession with being absolutely insane with detail.

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<v Speaker 3>So I absolutely want to hear all the little intricate

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<v Speaker 3>the things that I'm also fortunate because not everybody can

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<v Speaker 3>in the nineteen eighties, since the mid nineteen eighties. So

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<v Speaker 3>us never forget that the conversation back then was certainly

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<v Speaker 3>motivations of a person to go as far as this

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<v Speaker 3>person went with apparently lying about a whole story, when

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<v Speaker 3>in fact, even if the story could have been proven,

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<v Speaker 3>many people still wouldn't have believed it because it was

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<v Speaker 3>about flying saucers. And we can all agree that back

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<v Speaker 3>in the nineteen eighties, if you said aliens are flying

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<v Speaker 3>saucers and you would say that government has them. That

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<v Speaker 3>was like crazy talk. Especially my corner's my corner of

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<v Speaker 3>the world. That was not something that you could say

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<v Speaker 3>openly and have a good conversation. You can have good

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<v Speaker 3>conversation today and you still get depending who you're with

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<v Speaker 3>at the table, you could have good conversation, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>still circles that will still think your nuts for talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this. So it's important to put that into perspective

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<v Speaker 3>because it's also important to find out what was the

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<v Speaker 3>motivation behind somebody doing this. Now, regardless of that, anybody

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<v Speaker 3>can lie. Anybody can come up with some really good lie,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a plethora of liars out there. I was

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<v Speaker 3>investigating UFOs for a long time. I found a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of crap out there, a ton of fake photos or

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<v Speaker 3>a factor. And I take that very seriously. Now, what

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<v Speaker 3>I can say specifically about MIT and what I can

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<v Speaker 3>say now versus what will be said in the next

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<v Speaker 3>few months, and I promise that will actually come out.

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<v Speaker 3>You can you could put me I'm putting it in

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<v Speaker 3>writing here, I'm saying it on camera when so before

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<v Speaker 3>I say this, when a long time ago, Christopher Mellan

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation about Bob Zar and Christopher Mellan said, it's

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<v Speaker 3>possible that he went out to Area fifty one, but

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't go work at a place called S four

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<v Speaker 3>and blah blah blah, and Rogan said, I had a

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<v Speaker 3>conversation with Bob about it, And so Christopher Mellan attacked

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<v Speaker 3>the thing he had there's no evidence about his education

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<v Speaker 3>and all that, and Joe said, I had a conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with him, and he explained some of that to me

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<v Speaker 3>behind behind the cameras, and it made a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>sense to me. I was very curious to know what

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<v Speaker 3>that was. So I asked Bob Ozar okay, because to me,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a specific thing that made me go if

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<v Speaker 3>that information managed to make a guy like Joe Rogan

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<v Speaker 3>pause for a second on the questioning of his education,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to understand what that is if I'm to

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<v Speaker 3>pursue this even further. So that was very early on

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<v Speaker 3>when I first met Bob Blazar. I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to come across as this guy doesn't believe your story.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to come. I want to create something that

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<v Speaker 3>is very factual to what you have apparently experienced and witnessed.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know it to be true, but so far

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<v Speaker 3>at that time, I believed the man. Okay, now that's

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<v Speaker 3>a different story than believing a story. I believe the man.

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<v Speaker 3>I get to know somebody. I have an opportunity also

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<v Speaker 3>to be with a person. You feel it sometimes if

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<v Speaker 3>somebody is really good at lying or not. I never

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<v Speaker 3>felt that from Bob. Regardless. I said, what's the story

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<v Speaker 3>that you told Joe? And can I know about this?

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<v Speaker 3>So he shared this with me, and I can say

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<v Speaker 3>this partially because he was very specific in saying I

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<v Speaker 3>can explain it to you. But there is a national

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<v Speaker 3>security element to it, and because of that, I am

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<v Speaker 3>not putting this information public. Back in the early nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is something that is absolutely verifiable, and so

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<v Speaker 3>let me say it and then I'll tell you how

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<v Speaker 3>it's verifiable. So back in the early nineteen eighties, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess it's eighty one or eighty two when it was

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<v Speaker 3>at Los Alamos National Labs. The United States government, the

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<v Speaker 3>United States Department, the Defense Department. Okay, they're in close collaboration.

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<v Speaker 3>They were in close collaboration with Los Alamost National Labs

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<v Speaker 3>in many different projects, and some of them were weapon developments. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So Los Alamos clearly was working on some classified weapons

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<v Speaker 3>programs for the Department of Defense and the United States government.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not anything that is classified. We all know

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<v Speaker 3>they did stuff like that. At that time. The Defense

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<v Speaker 3>Department wanted to develop a specific weapon. The weapon apparently

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<v Speaker 3>was not legal. This was not something that the I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if it was the United Nations, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>remember the details, but the weapon was not permitted to

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<v Speaker 3>be developed and used on people. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>weapons like that, white phosphorus like that is not allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to be the United there's sanctions on certain weapons because

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<v Speaker 3>they could they can cause a tremendous amount of harm

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<v Speaker 3>to innocent people and all that. So this particular weapon

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted to develop was illegal, regardless. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>not something that I can debate because it's again a

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<v Speaker 3>secret program. But regardless, the government pursued and wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>build the weapon. Mit So the people at Los Alamos,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is very critical, the people working at Los Alamos,

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<v Speaker 3>not just Bob Blazar. So this is a very important

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<v Speaker 3>small detail. It was not just Bob Lazar. It's Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Blazar was a part of something. So he goes, there's

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<v Speaker 3>other people involved. Were sent to MIT by Los Alamos

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<v Speaker 3>National Labs on behalf of Los Almost National Labs to

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<v Speaker 3>go and attend specific classes at MIT that were specific

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<v Speaker 3>to learning about the function or how to build this weapon. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I have spoken to somebody I believe it was last year,

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<v Speaker 3>who is a military contractor who without me ever saying this,

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<v Speaker 3>because this was actually prior to me saying this public

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<v Speaker 3>I've said this publicly before, explained exactly that to me

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<v Speaker 3>and said I believe Bob Blazar because of so and so.

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<v Speaker 3>It gave me a rundown on the weapon development programs

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<v Speaker 3>and how they went about it with private contractors, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was verbatim to how it was basically handled to

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<v Speaker 3>send a group of people to MIT. I have spoken

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<v Speaker 3>to Bob Blazar about this, and he is extremely familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with MIT. And I'll tell you about something that's really

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<v Speaker 3>critical about Bob Blazar and people will not like this,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's the truth and I've experienced it outside of UFOs.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob doesn't remember things well period. Bob Blazar is a genius.

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<v Speaker 3>You know when you meet somebody who's extremely good in

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<v Speaker 3>one thing, but they have appssolutely difficulty and other faculties.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Lazaar's memory is terrible. He could be in my house.

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<v Speaker 3>We could be talking about something. We just finished dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>We could I could be making him a specific Italian dish.

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<v Speaker 3>We will talk about that for fifteen minutes, change topic,

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<v Speaker 3>and two hours later I'd be like, remember the past

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<v Speaker 3>I talked about and be like, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember? And he won't remember, and he genuinely

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't remember. I've had these talbots.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say that's a cop out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get back to Chris Melon. Let's go back

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<v Speaker 2>to Chris Melon. I've known Chris Melon. I was the

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<v Speaker 2>first one to interview him in twenty sixteen, and right

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<v Speaker 2>after that interview, the Joe Rogan I wrote Chris and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, what did he What did he say?

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<v Speaker 1>What was it? He told you?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said he promised Joe that he would he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't share it, But I said, and then he did

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<v Speaker 2>get me some more for more information, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have his permission right now to say it. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line is, I said, so, when you got

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying you believe Bob Bazaar now? And his

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<v Speaker 2>exact quote, and I'm going to quote him on this,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, No, what I'm saying is that my skepticism

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<v Speaker 2>has greatly increased.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Chris Mellan. We're saying that about Bob Bazaar.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't a big secret that all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden was revealed that Chris Melon's, Oh, I believe Bob.

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<v Speaker 3>Bl Careful, this is not a secret revealed here, by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, there's nothing revealed in secrecy. What this clearly states.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can if you have any direct conversations with

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<v Speaker 3>specific with specific people that are active contractors or were maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>but they have to be in the scientific position and

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<v Speaker 3>not military by the way, So they have to be

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<v Speaker 3>some type of scientific position. I've had these conversations. You

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<v Speaker 3>can try and commune. There's a lot of people out

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<v Speaker 3>there that are willing to talk to people. This. This

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<v Speaker 3>argument doesn't it's not oh there's proof that he went

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<v Speaker 3>to Mit. Oh god, no, and Bob says it himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, this doesn't prove I went to MIT. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just explaining to you what happened when I did.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I that's not his original story.

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<v Speaker 1>His original story is that he got a master's disagree

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<v Speaker 1>at MIT and then at cal Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, and it's just correct. Correct. And I will say this,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't deny that. Maybe I'm saying this. I'm saying

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying Bob said this. I'm saying this. It

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<v Speaker 3>is possible that he embellished back then. Okay, it's possible.

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<v Speaker 3>But and Martin, I'm going to be very real here.

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<v Speaker 3>We could disagree on this. But I personally have lied

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<v Speaker 3>a million times to get to where I got in

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<v Speaker 3>my career. I lied.

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<v Speaker 1>But who's he lying to?

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<v Speaker 2>He's lying to us, and MIT is lying to all

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<v Speaker 2>the public there who's lying to?

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<v Speaker 1>And words he getting ahead by lying to us?

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<v Speaker 3>There is a clear disdain that Bob has or had,

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry I should say this, a disdain that Bob had

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<v Speaker 3>for the academic community science. Sorry, the scientific community, not

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<v Speaker 3>the academic scientific community, specifically some people at MIT. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>my bad, at lost Alimos, Sorry, the people that went

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<v Speaker 3>to MIT from Lost Almos. I know this for a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I also know something that I cannot talk about, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that I really don't want to put him. And there

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<v Speaker 3>is an actual program name. Not going to mention it.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a secret program name that was in collusion

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<v Speaker 3>with MI T to produce this way, and there were

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<v Speaker 3>people that from Lost Animals that did go there. They

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<v Speaker 3>were not ever listed on the roster of MIT and

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<v Speaker 3>they would not be now hold on this sucks because

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<v Speaker 3>this doesn't prove anything. This is just words, and I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying though, is that there was a program.

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<v Speaker 3>If somebody does do research and find out did people

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<v Speaker 3>at Lost Animals ever have to be sent to MIT

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<v Speaker 3>for a program that could have been considered classified or something,

422
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 3>if that ever does come up, look into finding out

423
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<v Speaker 3>are those people ever on the roster or on the

424
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<v Speaker 3>books at MIT. Now. I will also tell you that

425
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I personally tested Bob Lazaar with stuff from MIT recently.

426
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I even got him on camera. That surprised everybody here

427
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:58.160
<v Speaker 3>when we were doing that, and he immediately recognized certain

428
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:01.920
<v Speaker 3>things from me. It was like you could tell that

429
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 3>there was some type of history there with Bob about

430
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 3>MIT but clearly it doesn't mean he has a master's

431
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 3>degree or some type of I guess a degree. If

432
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.759
<v Speaker 3>you want to call this from MIT. Now I can't

433
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 3>go and say, yeah, there's evidence of that. I don't

434
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 3>have evidence of that. So yes, absolutely, there's nothing that

435
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 3>supports it. Bob himself says that himself. Okay, he says

436
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 3>this openly himself. He doesn't say this going No, I

437
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 3>have that, and they're all wrong. Also, I don't know

438
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 3>if I am cleared yet to say this, but I

439
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 3>do have his professor's name from MIT. I do have it.

440
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I verified it.

441
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>We got to hear that. Hold on, you need to

442
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 1>hear that.

443
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that I know it, and George

444
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Knapp knows it.

445
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Come, he didn't say it when he was questioned.

446
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.640
<v Speaker 2>He gave a name of someone that was at his

447
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 2>high school and a name of a community college that

448
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, the technical school he went to.

449
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.599
<v Speaker 3>This is the frustration I've personally had with Bob Bazar. Okay,

450
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Bob will it doesn't By the way, Bob, this is

451
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 3>not intentional forgetfullness or intentional misdirection. Bob is like that.

452
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 3>He is a type of person who will literally not

453
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 3>remember something, but can give you a formula like that.

454
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 3>And I can say this because I've actually witnessed this,

455
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 3>and you can actually interview Jesse Michaels about this, where

456
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 3>Jesse Michaels had dinner with Bob with me and Jesse

457
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 3>literally said, can I press Bob Blazaar? Do you mind

458
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 3>if I press him scientifically? I said, of course, I go,

459
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 3>there's no I don't have a problem with that. I

460
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 3>didn't prep prep Bob. But how do I don't even

461
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.440
<v Speaker 3>know how to prep Bob scientifically because I don't know

462
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:06.440
<v Speaker 3>anything about science. And sitting at the table, Jesse starts

463
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>feeling out equations that he's very familiar with, and Bob

464
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 3>is sitting there listening. And after Jesse comes up with

465
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>this big, very intricate scientific argument that I could tell

466
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 3>was completely over my head, Bob Lazar stopped him and

467
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 3>corrected him on the equations. You can ask Jesse Michaels

468
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 3>if he hears this, he knows what happened. And Jesse

469
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 3>could vouch for this, and Jesse's mouth is jaw dropped

470
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>and he goes, oh my god, why don't you do

471
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 3>that on camera? He said? He goes, if you did

472
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 3>that on camera, It'll make a lot of people believe

473
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 3>that you know this stuff. And Bob's answer was, why

474
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 3>would I do that? Why do I need to prove

475
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 3>myself to anybody that's his that he does?

476
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Because he's been spending this story for so long. That's

477
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>why he needs to.

478
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 3>Prove himself, I can tell you.

479
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And he was offered to have physicists and in a

480
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 2>public forum and question him, and.

481
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>He turned it down. And I have that right.

482
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 4>Here, absolutely, yes, Yeah, So before we go, I just

483
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<v Speaker 4>I also want to say this because I feel like

484
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I just need to say more in

485
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 4>the short time that we have together.

486
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>So let's just talk about this right here. And I

487
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 1>know you know what it is. Yeah, but why would

488
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>he Why to me?

489
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>This is stating Bob's credibility is shot because he presented

490
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 2>this piece.

491
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course he did, and it has a.

492
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Woman's social Security number, it has the IRS's employee identification

493
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>on it.

494
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>That information is incorrect, by the way, So there's there's

495
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.240
<v Speaker 3>a lot that is very incorrect out there, by the way, Martin,

496
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.880
<v Speaker 3>about these things, I've looked into them, So be careful

497
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.240
<v Speaker 3>with the information you're reading.

498
00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is.

499
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you this for a fact, we didn't

500
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 3>cover because it was like we didn't even bother getting

501
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.279
<v Speaker 3>into the W two form. I can tell you that information.

502
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 3>You remember Bob Ouschler, he died, He did a lot

503
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.039
<v Speaker 3>of He had done a little bit of research into

504
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 3>the W two form and had verified that the W

505
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 3>and the W two form whatever. This is a very

506
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 3>important piece of information. If let's assume also one thing,

507
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 3>we are not dealing with a department or a portion

508
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 3>of the military of the Defense Department that wants to

509
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 3>be found out. Okay, So this is not somebody. This

510
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 3>is not a department that wants to be found Have

511
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 3>you ever spoken to Jim Goodall about the day he

512
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 3>went to the Pentagon with the W two form. No,

513
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.839
<v Speaker 3>So I highly encourage that you invite Jim Goodall on

514
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 3>your show. He'll do it, Okay. Jim Goodall went to

515
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 3>the Pentagon on behalf of Bob Lazar with the W

516
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.799
<v Speaker 3>two form. There's a whole story there, okay. And that

517
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 3>got him to suddenly out of nowhere, got him to

518
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 3>speak to a sitting admiral at the Pentagon that day.

519
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 3>And at the time, Jim Goodall was not a highly

520
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 3>ranked officer in the military. He was going there on

521
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 3>behalf of Bob. He took Bob Lazar's W two, a

522
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 3>copy of it, went to the Pentagon looking for the

523
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Department of Naval Intelligence, which by the way, doesn't appear

524
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 3>to exist at the Pentagon. There's the Office of Naval Intelligence,

525
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 3>but not department, although although department does show up in

526
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 3>some past documentation there is reference of Department of Naval Intelligence.

527
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Regardless of that, there is no physical Department of Naval

528
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Intelligence at the Pentagon, and there was no in eighty

529
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 3>nine and ninety one. But Jim Goodall can certainly detail

530
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.759
<v Speaker 3>that whole experience at the Pentagon with the W two form.

531
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 3>So anybody who wants to debate the W two form

532
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:21.119
<v Speaker 3>has also to consider whoever was managing the program at

533
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 3>S four, whoever that was, However they had to route

534
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 3>money to Bob Lazar or anybody working within that environment,

535
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 3>if you want to call it. They do not want

536
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 3>to get caught or they do not want to be known.

537
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 3>So it is not unlikely. I'm not saying it's proof

538
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 3>that it's real. I'm just saying there's also it's also

539
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 3>if we're gonna do a real investigation, which I'm open

540
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>to having discussions on investigations. I'm not saying I believe

541
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 3>at one hundred percent being real, but I also don't

542
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 3>believe it to be false either, because there's a lot

543
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 3>of things that we have to review in regards to

544
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 3>how big is that program, where was it at the time,

545
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 3>and how were they routing money to the people that

546
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 3>were there. So the fact that you would have a

547
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>W two form that shows Department of Nabel And by

548
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:26.079
<v Speaker 3>the way, gene Huff, whether people believe gen Huff or not,

549
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:30.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't care. I believe gene Huff. Gene Huff told

550
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 3>me himself he was at Bob's house when he received

551
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 3>the W two form. So he goes, I remember that

552
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.320
<v Speaker 3>clearly when that arrived, and he says, and he goes,

553
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 3>that's something that Bob took very lightly. It wasn't important

554
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 3>to him. He just goes, here, this is a pay

555
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 3>stub of some type. He said. Bob didn't even make

556
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 3>a fuss about that. It wasn't like he was trying

557
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 3>to enforce his story on anybody with that. That's also

558
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 3>very accurate to his character. Bob never ever has this.

559
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Contrary to a lot of people's disdain about Bob Bazaar.

560
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Bob never tries to convince people, always says I wouldn't

561
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>believe my own story. I understand I could. I know

562
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 3>there's no evidence of my education. I know there's no

563
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.760
<v Speaker 3>evidence of a Department of Naval Intelligence, and I know

564
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 3>that there's no evidence of an S four operation we

565
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.880
<v Speaker 3>can find. But it happened to me. Whether they believe

566
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 3>it or not, it happened to me. Now that will

567
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 3>remain and will not go away. It's not because I

568
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 3>decided to make a film that there's some miracle that's

569
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna come out of this, And it's not because I've

570
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 3>chosen to go the extra mile in investigating it that

571
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.239
<v Speaker 3>we're going to suddenly have somebody come out of the

572
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Department of Defense and tell us, yeah, that's the project

573
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.119
<v Speaker 3>name by Ineen nineteen eighty two at Los Alamos, and

574
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.760
<v Speaker 3>here's this information on S four. We're never going to

575
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 3>see that. It's clear we're not going to see that.

576
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 3>But if you take a second, and I say this

577
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 3>with all respect to anybody listening who absolutely is stuck

578
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 3>on the he lied about his education, which if he did, yes,

579
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>it's annoying. It's like you just said earlier. If you're

580
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 3>trying to buy somebody's art collection and one of them

581
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>is a fake, you start thinking maybe they're all fakes. Okay,

582
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 3>So I'm one hundred percent on board with that. In fact,

583
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 3>my entire team was like that. Everybody was like, eh,

584
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 3>this sounds like a lot of gibberish, a lot of

585
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 3>made up stories. Nobody even knew Bob Blazar was. And

586
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 3>I've had numerous people here really dig and I mean

587
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>dig full time, paid, full time job just doing that. Okay,

588
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 3>so it's not like I have a bunch of yes

589
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 3>men here going yeah, we believe him, Yeah, whatever. No,

590
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 3>everybody was very cautious in everything that was being said,

591
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>so that we also wouldn't look like these gullible people

592
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 3>who decide to make a film on somebody's story.

593
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel as though Bob's kind of a cash cow

594
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people. His story has been out

595
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 2>there when he started his story, I don't think he

596
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>really knew what the internet was going to be and

597
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>how we could research things. And so here's some record.

598
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 2>There's just a couple of things I want to say here.

599
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Here's people say to me all the time when I'm

600
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about how I feel about Baba Zaa. We never

601
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:40.559
<v Speaker 2>changed his story. Okay, he changed his story here and there.

602
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:41.760
<v Speaker 1>You've got to admit that.

603
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about when people were asking him about being

604
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 2>directly underneath.

605
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>The sports model or whatever craft. I think it was

606
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a sports model. Yeah, nineteen eighty.

607
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Nine, he says, and I have all these time stamps

608
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>when they're in the interviews and things like that. He

609
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>never got directly beneath it. Early in the nineteen nineth

610
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 2>he said, never saw anyone walk beneath it. The information

611
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>came from Barry nineteen. We were not close. Everyone stayed

612
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>back at the hangar, I guess when they were testing it.

613
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 2>And then in twenty twenty six he's now saying Dennis

614
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 2>sorted him outside and he personally walked beneath the hovering craft. Okay,

615
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 2>so that's a story changed, and the hare's another one.

616
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's actually I can immediately counter that, and that's

617
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 3>a really important piece of information.

618
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I know I watched him say these things.

619
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, I know I watched him say these

620
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.280
<v Speaker 3>things too. I actually have him in an interview saying

621
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:40.159
<v Speaker 3>that the top hat had two holes in it, not one.

622
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 3>You know how there was the craft the top.

623
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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you're bringing this up, okay, because I'm going

624
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>to talk about that too.

625
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Two holes and there was only one and there was

626
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.199
<v Speaker 3>only one. And I also heard him say in an

627
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 3>interview that there were two seats and there's three seats. Okay.

628
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 3>So we had these discussions. I've had discussions with Bob Blazar,

629
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 3>the one about the two and three seats. Anybody who

630
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 3>could pull that up. I can tell you that was

631
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 3>on purpose. It was him and Gene Huff because they

632
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 3>really got pissed off at the interview were okay, something

633
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 3>personal happened that day, and Lazarre purposefully said, fuck this guy.

634
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give him any whatever I feel like giving him,

635
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 3>so he could not enjoy having had the time with me,

636
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 3>and I actually agreed with him. I know the story

637
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:38.400
<v Speaker 3>about that. If somebody were to completely disrespect you, Martin

638
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and really try to totally dupe you in something, you

639
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't respect them. So if they if you could just

640
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 3>get them to leave, you would do that. Anybody has

641
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 3>this happened to them, It's happened to me in my life.

642
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.719
<v Speaker 3>So there's a story about that. I know. So that

643
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 3>that goes away. Bob said, there's three seats in the craft.

644
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 3>That's all there is. There's not two. Who cares about

645
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 3>what I said in one interview. As far as the

646
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 3>two holes, I did talk to him about that. I said, Bob,

647
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 3>you said there was one hole, and then in an

648
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 3>interview you said there was two, and he said, now

649
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.519
<v Speaker 3>there's one. There was one hole. I remember one hole,

650
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I said, but I heard you say in one interview

651
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 3>that there were two. Okay, this is actually very difficult

652
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 3>for me because I'm relaying something from another person's perspective.

653
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm a filmmaker trying to make the film as accurate

654
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.639
<v Speaker 3>as By the way, Bob thinks I'm insane because I

655
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 3>wanted to have so many details, so I paid attention

656
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 3>to that. He absolutely said in a past interview that

657
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 3>there were two holes. I built the craft in the

658
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 3>hangar with two holes. If you look at my film,

659
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 3>there's two holes there. And when he saw the film,

660
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 3>he he goes, why did you put a second hole

661
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 3>on the craft? There's supposed to just be one hole

662
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 3>on the top. And I told him, I said, because

663
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.000
<v Speaker 3>you said in a past interview. He says, I don't

664
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.400
<v Speaker 3>even remember saying that. He goes that that's a mistake.

665
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 3>He goes, I don't remember a second hole. Now. He

666
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 3>was very adam after I built it. He was very

667
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>adam and going, it's too bad that you did that,

668
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.519
<v Speaker 3>because it was just one hole. Now I have to

669
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 3>tell you, okay that of course I was upset because

670
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 3>I was like, damn it. I wanted everything to be

671
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:41.079
<v Speaker 3>absolutely perfect. And I remember saying that I took information

672
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 3>also from past interviews which I had noted throughout the

673
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 3>years of doing this. But you have to also remember,

674
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.920
<v Speaker 3>and this is something very it's a very human thing

675
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say here, and this is really important.

676
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I have a tremendous amount of respect for Bob Lazaar,

677
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 3>and this is something that I really have to say

678
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 3>from a perspective of somebody who's become friends with Bob.

679
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 3>Forget the UFOs, forget the flying saucers and the whole story.

680
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.679
<v Speaker 3>I've obviously built a relationship Bob Blazar. I spent four

681
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 3>and a half years with a guy. Either you end

682
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.440
<v Speaker 3>up liking a person or you don't. We became friends,

683
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 3>and I became friends with his wife as well. That

684
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 3>doesn't take away the fact that I'm ultra critical in

685
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 3>my thinking in whatever I'm putting out publicly to the world.

686
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that Bob is like that. In general.

687
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Bob will forget things that are in front of us,

688
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 3>and he will be like, yeah, it's over there, it's

689
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 3>on the right side, and it's not it's on the

690
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 3>left side, and he's like, no, it's on the right

691
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 3>and he'll argue until you go, oh shit, you're right,

692
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 3>it's on the left side about something completely mundane. So

693
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.199
<v Speaker 3>I found out what kind of person Bob is on

694
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 3>a personal note, and it made me realize because I

695
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 3>then spoke to Laane Kek, I spoke to Gene Huff,

696
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 3>I spoke to Mario Santa Cruz and George Knapp and

697
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 3>a couple of other people who personally knew him back

698
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 3>in the desert last days in Nevada. Everyone all told

699
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 3>me the same thing. Before I really got to know Bob,

700
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 3>everybody was like, careful, Bob doesn't remember things properly. Careful,

701
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Bob's memory is sometimes a little bit weird because he

702
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 3>forgets stuff. And I was like, I thought that was

703
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:30.800
<v Speaker 3>a what do you call it? I thought that was

704
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.440
<v Speaker 3>a suspicious thing. I'm like, what do you mean he

705
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 3>forgets stuff? What are you talking about? To me? That

706
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 3>was suspicious because I'm like, what do you mean he

707
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 3>forgets stuff? Is that on purpose? But eventually I got

708
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 3>to meet him, My team got to meet him. Not

709
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:54.039
<v Speaker 3>only was I analyzing and scrutinizing Bob Blazar, but they

710
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 3>who were complete skeptics. But my sister, by the way,

711
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 3>who works with me, Veronica, is a ultra mega She's

712
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 3>like the ultra Megatron skeptic of this stuff. She is

713
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 3>absolutely looking at me, going, you're fucking insane believing in

714
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff, flying saucers and aliens and all that stuff.

715
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 3>And she got to meet him, She got to spend

716
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:24.320
<v Speaker 3>time with him with a skeptical outlook, and ended up

717
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.679
<v Speaker 3>coming up to me at the end of us doing

718
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.119
<v Speaker 3>all our filming and our interviews and talking and set

719
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.800
<v Speaker 3>and after him forgetting stuff. And we you know, many

720
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 3>takes we had to do sometimes because I can't remember that,

721
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 3>And then we would show him something oh yeah, oh

722
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 3>my god, yeah that's right, and he would immediately remember,

723
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.800
<v Speaker 3>or gene Huff would remind him, being like remember the

724
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.920
<v Speaker 3>blue tank could be like what blue? Oh my god,

725
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 3>and he would just remember stuff that became something that

726
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.239
<v Speaker 3>we all experienced along with Bob Blazar.

727
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now making a lot of excuses for him. Another thing,

728
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he said.

729
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm just you are you know, let me do a

730
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>little talk in here.

731
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>You're kind of taken the whole show, and I'd like

732
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 2>to be able to talk and ask more questions. Earlier on,

733
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Lazare said there were there was no damage in any

734
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 2>of the craft. And then as you said, there's other things.

735
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But let's talk about do you consider this a documentary

736
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 2>or do you consider.

737
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>It a film.

738
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 3>It's a documentary.

739
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 2>A documentary is about true stories of someone's life story.

740
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>This is all just stories. This is nothing documenting anything

741
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.760
<v Speaker 2>here with this. And let's talk about his cleansess. What

742
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 2>did he have for a position at this is let

743
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>me do a little more talking. What did he have

744
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 2>for a position at wass Almost Labs?

745
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 1>What was his position there?

746
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 3>He was working in two departments, so there was there

747
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 3>were two different programs that he was on, and I

748
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 3>don't think I have I'm not at liberty to tell

749
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 3>you the names of the programs that he was on,

750
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.320
<v Speaker 3>but he was working on two different programs.

751
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>There, and what were they?

752
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 3>One of them was weapons. The other one was not.

753
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 3>The other one I can't remember, but it was not

754
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 3>one of them. One of the two was weapons was

755
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 3>more more.

756
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about all right.

757
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.559
<v Speaker 2>So my brother in law was a nuclear arms inspection

758
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>person at Los Alamos Labs for many years. I remember

759
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 2>when he got his clearance and what he had to

760
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 2>go through. At the time, I had a Russian girlfriend

761
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't even talk to him.

762
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 1>It took a lot of scrutiny.

763
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 2>You look at Bob's background, who he was married to,

764
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and who all the is. I don't want to get

765
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 2>into all that, but we know about his wife's. All

766
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you have to do is look it up. One of

767
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 2>them was a convicted murderer. Actually, the other one stole

768
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 2>money at a bank.

769
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't have anything that would ask four though.

770
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I it has that it has to do with getting

771
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>a clearance. It would be I'm just talking about He

772
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>said he had above majestic, which doesn't exist.

773
00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>There's no such thing. Again.

774
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Say that again, because I didn't hear that.

775
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I said he said that he was above Q clearance,

776
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>which is majestic, and there's no such thing. Going back

777
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 2>to majestic twelve maybe I don't know where he got

778
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.519
<v Speaker 2>that from, but it's.

779
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:13.639
<v Speaker 1>It's obviously none.

780
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 2>And either you become friends with someone, how can you

781
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>be objective being friends with someone who is known for

782
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.519
<v Speaker 2>spewing all this stuff all these years. I just don't

783
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>think that was a smart thing.

784
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.639
<v Speaker 3>It's actually no. I would caution you in telling me

785
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 3>what is smart and what is not, because I'm very

786
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.639
<v Speaker 3>responsible in the way I do my work. Regardless of that,

787
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.559
<v Speaker 3>I can build friendships with people, has nothing to do

788
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 3>with how I view their stories.

789
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Now, R what about if you confronted him and just said,

790
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>this is what we confront him all the way, with

791
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff that everyone's been confronting him. We did,

792
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and you are confronting him and you still did this

793
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 2>film absolutely.

794
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 3>First of all, one of the things that is really

795
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 3>critical here is that you have to look at all

796
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the data, not just selective data. So there's also important

797
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 3>parts of the story that you can't omit all the

798
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 3>information just because one piece is wrong or something doesn't jive.

799
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.000
<v Speaker 3>This is a very complex thing. Now, as far as

800
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 3>as far as clearance, let's say top secret or que

801
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 3>clearance or whatever, I would also say something very important

802
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 3>not related to the bobble Azar story, personal relations, personal

803
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.199
<v Speaker 3>stuff that I'm familiar with in my life. The Las

804
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 3>Vegas was run by the Mob for a long time. Yes,

805
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 3>and the Mob at the time, most of the people

806
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 3>in charge were Italians, And if you actually do some

807
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 3>research back then, some of the people that were running

808
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 3>the Mob were from Montreal, where I'm from. So the Mob,

809
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 3>although might seem like these gangsters in the streets just

810
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 3>selling drugs or prostitution or whatever, we're actually very involved

811
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.880
<v Speaker 3>in a lot of very high level things. So getting

812
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Q clearance or getting clearance, I'm not talking about Bob here,

813
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about in general. There's a lot of people

814
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 3>who have had a lot of things handed over to

815
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.760
<v Speaker 3>them because of some of the links they've had with

816
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 3>the Mob back in the nineteen eighties, especially back in

817
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties. So it's unfair to say that somebody

818
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 3>who's had passed in certain things could not get clearance,

819
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 3>because the argument could be made in the complete opposite

820
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 3>as well, Martin, and I can assure you if you

821
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:45.920
<v Speaker 3>look into that, you'd be very surprised who ended up

822
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 3>getting clearances not related to flying saucers or MIT or

823
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>lost Almos, but for other things, and they were one

824
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent implicated with the mob and everybody knew about it.

825
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's important to look at both sides of the spectrum,

826
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 3>not just one.

827
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but why why would they say we need this

828
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.039
<v Speaker 2>guy to do one of the most important things in

829
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the world that's ever been done.

830
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 3>As far as that's concerned. There, the argument has been,

831
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 3>and I believe this to be true, that if this

832
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 3>is a true story, which I do believe the story,

833
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.400
<v Speaker 3>by the way, and I don't believe it because Bob's

834
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:27.880
<v Speaker 3>become a friend of mine, I do believe the story

835
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 3>for many reasons. If that, if he was sent there,

836
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 3>and he said that at the very beginning, he said,

837
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:42.239
<v Speaker 3>I was not I was not the most qualified person

838
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 3>to be doing that. And he was even questioning why

839
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.639
<v Speaker 3>the operation was military and not scientific. He was very

840
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.039
<v Speaker 3>annoyed that the way they were proceeding at S four

841
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:02.280
<v Speaker 3>was not standard scientific research. It was more like a

842
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 3>military prison feel, where everything was compartmentalized and you couldn't

843
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 3>do anything and you couldn't have open discussion. Was this

844
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:15.199
<v Speaker 3>was openly discussed by Bob Blazar back in eighty nine

845
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 3>and in the early nineties. He didn't just say that

846
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 3>in my film. He's been saying that for decades. So

847
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 3>he's never agreed with the way it was being handled.

848
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 3>The fact that they hired him. He says, maybe they

849
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:31.159
<v Speaker 3>thought that I could bring something new to the whole

850
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 3>to the topic because they were hiring very proficient scientists

851
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:40.679
<v Speaker 3>or academics, and they apparently weren't getting anywhere. And he

852
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 3>still doesn't think they did. He says it's not because

853
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 3>he was hired that they were able to figure anything out.

854
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:50.880
<v Speaker 3>He says it was a complete mystery. Even after for him,

855
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.760
<v Speaker 3>it was a mystery. He doesn't think they ever made

856
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 3>any progress. He hopes, he says, I hope they did,

857
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.360
<v Speaker 3>but I highly doubt that they have. He doesn't believe

858
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.119
<v Speaker 3>that the government finally got and he doesn't believe the

859
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 3>whole narrative that we mastered reverse sorry anti gravity, and

860
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 3>we figured it out, and he doesn't believe any of that.

861
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't believe any of that. He's like, look, he goes,

862
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 3>I believe of what I saw. He goes, if they

863
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.920
<v Speaker 3>if there's people going out there saying that we figured

864
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 3>this out, he doesn't believe that one bit. He won't

865
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.239
<v Speaker 3>support it at all, everything, all the narrative that is

866
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.840
<v Speaker 3>coming out right now, of all these reverse engineering programs

867
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 3>and all these whistleblowers. He doesn't want to have anything

868
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.079
<v Speaker 3>to do with them. He says. Some of them make sense,

869
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 3>some of them I don't even know if they even

870
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:41.119
<v Speaker 3>know what they're talking about, because they know where never

871
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 3>a right?

872
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Can I just jump in here a little because yeah,

873
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.760
<v Speaker 2>so I did hear someone ask why doesn't Bob Bazaar,

874
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>why isn't he testifying?

875
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>And then I heard him, or I think it was

876
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Corbel, said, why would you do that? People just

877
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 1>disparage him.

878
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.440
<v Speaker 2>No, because he's known not to have credibility, and you

879
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>think it's not by design. Right, So let's go about

880
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 2>when he was actually thirty eight levels.

881
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Above Q he said that? Did he not say that

882
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.360
<v Speaker 1>he was years ago?

883
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 3>Years ago? Yeah?

884
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.880
<v Speaker 1>But he also I think, and then why would someone

885
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 1>do that?

886
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.719
<v Speaker 2>He just had a two hundred and seventy thousand dollars debt,

887
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.519
<v Speaker 2>bankruptcy and other things happened before right before that, shortly

888
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.880
<v Speaker 2>before that. Why would they give him a clearance like that?

889
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.320
<v Speaker 3>Seventy thousand dollars bankruptcy? What are you talking about?

890
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.079
<v Speaker 2>He had a bankruptcy. I think it was maybe less

891
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.039
<v Speaker 2>than that, but he had a bankruptcy ahead of that.

892
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I had been in chapter seven. I am saying, Okay,

893
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 2>but I do know that a friend also in the FBI,

894
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and they're very scrutinized for anything because they can be

895
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 2>compromised in so many different ways when they have money trouble.

896
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so why they.

897
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Just they're not going to give someone like him a clearance?

898
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Igin with he said he got it in eight days.

899
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Tell me how is that possible? My brother in law

900
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.480
<v Speaker 2>said it took something like almost a year for him.

901
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 1>To get his QP. It's thirty eight levels above q

902
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>in eight days. Tell me how that happened?

903
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.639
<v Speaker 3>What if it does? What if it did happen? No,

904
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 3>but what if it did? Like, here's another question, let

905
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:13.559
<v Speaker 3>me throw the question. This is no, it's hold on.

906
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Be careful because you can't.

907
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to be careful. You're not going to

908
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.239
<v Speaker 1>assume me we're friends. We can talk about this.

909
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, don't say it's delusional. First of all, let's

910
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 3>look at other stuff. Okay, let's look at other stuff.

911
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.880
<v Speaker 3>You're really like throwing the baby with the bathwater here.

912
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:32.400
<v Speaker 3>It's just whatever. It's all not good. You don't think

913
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.320
<v Speaker 3>even a little bit Martin, not even a there's nothing

914
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 3>in the story that you believe at all.

915
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.079
<v Speaker 1>You think there is something I believe And I'll tell

916
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>you this.

917
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I do believe and I've said this before and it's

918
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:45.360
<v Speaker 2>a theory.

919
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that Bob Blazar knew someone.

920
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:50.760
<v Speaker 3>This is what I'm doing.

921
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Then he's taken on the PERSONA. No, that's what I

922
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>think I can tell someone. He got some tidbits.

923
00:54:56.199 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 3>One million percent. No, that's a billion percent my entire

924
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 3>reputation on absolutely no, absolutely no, no, all.

925
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's as much credit as I can give him

926
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 2>because I just with all.

927
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 3>Me. Okay, so you're telling all the li said.

928
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's lying to ox. He's not lying to employees.

929
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>He's lying to the public.

930
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 3>So how did he know about papoos Lake? How did

931
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 3>he know that there was a facility and the radiation there.

932
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.679
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to be working in a bunch of

933
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 2>radiation at papoos Lake.

934
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Where S four is people working there now from j

935
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 3>T four it's yeah.

936
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's see you how can that be proven?

937
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 3>It's proven? You could validate it with j T four.

938
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.440
<v Speaker 3>They actually talk about them moving at pat they're having

939
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.159
<v Speaker 3>an operation at Papoos Lake. You could verify that. I did. Okay,

940
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.920
<v Speaker 3>that's active right now, they've been operating.

941
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I'll be confusing this is that I'm thinking about.

942
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 2>S four, that that mountain that yeah, oh right there,

943
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>there's radiation.

944
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.119
<v Speaker 3>There's been no radiation, No radiation that is going to

945
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 3>kill you there. First of all, there's a lot of

946
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 3>activity there. Okay, there's been a lot of activity there

947
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 3>for decades. We put it in our film to show

948
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.360
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of activity that was at the lake there.

949
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 3>We have more, more, more, Not all of it came out,

950
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.920
<v Speaker 3>but there's information people put out after my film. There's

951
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:21.920
<v Speaker 3>YouTube videos that people did a tremendous amount of work

952
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 3>on putting more evidence out there that there's activity there

953
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 3>and there has been for decades. I've personally validated the

954
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 3>tracks at Papou's Lake from two thousand and two thousand

955
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 3>and six to two thousand and twenty two, the differences

956
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.360
<v Speaker 3>in tracks, so there was activity between those years. Right

957
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 3>in front of the hill where S four is. There's

958
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 3>also a helicopter shot on the Apple Maps Beta that

959
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 3>you could find on the time machine. Like you can

960
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:56.320
<v Speaker 3>go onto the time machine and the Internet, you can

961
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 3>look at past dates and you can find the black

962
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:04.400
<v Speaker 3>helicopter right near S four. It's actually right there. You

963
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.599
<v Speaker 3>can look at the Google maps the way that they've

964
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 3>hidden the territory, the terrain there. You see it in

965
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.559
<v Speaker 3>my film where they actually put a block right on

966
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.719
<v Speaker 3>where S four is located. They don't do that anywhere else.

967
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 3>It's really interesting. On May on May May fifteenth of

968
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine, the Department of the Interior modified a

969
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 3>map of Papoos Lake. They all the maps, all the geomaps,

970
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.519
<v Speaker 3>geological maps from the Department of the Interior of Nevada

971
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 3>throughout the nineteen forties, all the way to nineteen eighty nine,

972
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:49.199
<v Speaker 3>all showed a road that went right in front of S. Four.

973
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.360
<v Speaker 3>On May fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine, eight days after Bob

974
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Blazaar went public as Dennis, that road was erased off

975
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.880
<v Speaker 3>the maps at the Department of the Interior. It was modified,

976
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:06.440
<v Speaker 3>it says modified on May fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine, and

977
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:10.800
<v Speaker 3>the one modification was the removal of the road that

978
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 3>goes to S four to the hillside. It's just interesting

979
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that proves flying saucers. But what it

980
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.280
<v Speaker 3>does is it proves that there's some type of intent

981
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 3>to hide something. The fact that the picture that was

982
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:29.119
<v Speaker 3>shown in my film, that was photographed by Gabriel Zeifmann,

983
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 3>that shows undeniable no matter. I don't care who argues

984
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 3>with it. Anybody wants to argue with that should really

985
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:41.599
<v Speaker 3>review their investigative skills, because we verified it, investigated, and

986
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 3>we really forensically checked it. There are exactly nine rectangular

987
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.559
<v Speaker 3>structures right in the side of exactly where he had

988
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.480
<v Speaker 3>said they were in nineteen eighty nine. Right there, they

989
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 3>are physically there. There's nothing that could disprove it. Even

990
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:03.159
<v Speaker 3>the skeptics agreed that they are there. How could he

991
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:05.639
<v Speaker 3>know that? So that means he had to have known

992
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 3>that there was something in that hill. The fact that

993
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 3>all everything I just said doesn't prove flying saucers, by

994
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.960
<v Speaker 3>the way, just proves that there's a facility there near

995
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 3>papous Lag. Back in the nineteen eighties, you and I

996
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 3>both know we didn't have Google. We didn't have any

997
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 3>of the information that we could find on the internet

998
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 3>to look for things. A lot of people today have

999
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.320
<v Speaker 3>the luxury of sitting in their homes and having access

1000
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.800
<v Speaker 3>to a lot of databases, But back then that was

1001
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 3>not information you could get. He knew that. It doesn't

1002
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.079
<v Speaker 3>mean flying saucers were there. I do agree with that.

1003
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm one hundred percent not saying that proves it, but

1004
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 3>it certainly does give us some type of It should

1005
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:51.559
<v Speaker 3>at least inspire some type of curiosity of saying, Okay,

1006
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 3>how did he know that? Why did why? How did

1007
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 3>he know that information that's valid. You're not saying Bob

1008
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Lazar is saying the truth. You're just saying, yeah, that's interesting.

1009
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I have a lot of people that I can't stand

1010
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.119
<v Speaker 3>when I hear their stories in the UFO community. But

1011
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.840
<v Speaker 3>sometimes they'll say something and I'll say, all right, I'll

1012
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.719
<v Speaker 3>agree with that, even though I don't agree with the

1013
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:18.400
<v Speaker 3>person completely. So I have you can't deny there's certain

1014
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.719
<v Speaker 3>parts of that story that are pretty interesting and are

1015
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:26.920
<v Speaker 3>point to the fact that he was, in fact the

1016
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:32.760
<v Speaker 3>first person ever to point out Papu's slake and that

1017
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 3>specific location at that hill, which was later verified and

1018
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:39.800
<v Speaker 3>we put it in our film. I went through a

1019
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of trouble getting that. I'm saying that very lightly,

1020
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.000
<v Speaker 3>but it took a lot to get that information.

1021
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.760
<v Speaker 2>So let's see how come he didn't go to jail

1022
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 2>and have a ten thousand dollars fine because he.

1023
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Because ten Yeah, he signed a ten ten form which

1024
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 3>was a ten thousand.

1025
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 2>He should have gone ten years in jail ten thous doe.

1026
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:03.800
<v Speaker 3>Hundred percent, one hundred percent. He was not sure if

1027
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 3>he was gonna when he went public and Gene huff lame.

1028
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:11.119
<v Speaker 3>Everybody says it. George Knapp says it. When he went public,

1029
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.280
<v Speaker 3>he didn't know what was gonna happen. Mario Santa Cruz

1030
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.760
<v Speaker 3>was with him all the time. Mario said, Bob was

1031
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:21.199
<v Speaker 3>a complete mess when this happened. He didn't know if

1032
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:22.760
<v Speaker 3>he was going to get arrested. He didn't know if

1033
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.360
<v Speaker 3>they're come and take him to jail, because he didn't

1034
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.280
<v Speaker 3>know if this was going to get him in trouble

1035
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:31.440
<v Speaker 3>or not. He thought that because people were following him.

1036
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 3>And if you if this is all fake, also this

1037
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 3>is a really important thing. If this is all fake,

1038
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.119
<v Speaker 3>then that means that George Knapp is a liar. It

1039
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.800
<v Speaker 3>means Mario Santa Cruz is a liar because Mario was there.

1040
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think George Knapp is a liar. I just

1041
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 2>think George Knap's along for the ride, and I even

1042
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 2>told him.

1043
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I don't particularly get along with George and a

1044
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.199
<v Speaker 3>lot of things, by the way, specifically because he hangs

1045
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.719
<v Speaker 3>out with Jeremy Corbell, which I personally do not like.

1046
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.360
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not gonna sugarcoat my relationship with those guys,

1047
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 3>especially George, because I think George made a mistake associating

1048
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:10.280
<v Speaker 3>himself with Jeremy Corbel, who I personally think is a liar. Okay,

1049
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.199
<v Speaker 3>So I'm saying that right now. Jeremy's a liar, okay,

1050
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 3>But that is another story. And I would love to

1051
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.119
<v Speaker 3>debate Jeremy because I have a few things that could

1052
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:22.119
<v Speaker 3>put out there that would really end him, Okay. So

1053
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to get into that.

1054
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:25.800
<v Speaker 1>What I will say, this is good, this is good

1055
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:26.840
<v Speaker 1>radio like this.

1056
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:29.280
<v Speaker 3>But I will say, yeah, I don't care about Jeremy

1057
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Corbel at all. But I do think that George Knapp

1058
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:36.760
<v Speaker 3>deserves the respect because he did do an incredibly good

1059
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:40.519
<v Speaker 3>job at investigating the Babblesar story. In fact, there's a

1060
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.719
<v Speaker 3>lot of things that unfortunately George could not get out

1061
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:48.960
<v Speaker 3>to the public because people got threatened, and I do

1062
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.199
<v Speaker 3>know some of those details, and I do believe George.

1063
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.159
<v Speaker 3>I think George is very honest about that. I think

1064
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.679
<v Speaker 3>George was extremely invested in making sure that this was

1065
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 3>not type of big bullshit story. So I don't agree

1066
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:09.119
<v Speaker 3>where you say he's along for the ride. I don't

1067
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:14.559
<v Speaker 3>agree as much as you're saying, Okay, there are other

1068
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:15.920
<v Speaker 3>elements that I don't agree.

1069
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:20.360
<v Speaker 2>He's a respected journalist, but he didn't do in my opinion,

1070
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 2>he's the one who said at one time I saw

1071
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 2>it on tape where he said the education is the

1072
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:29.599
<v Speaker 2>weakest part, and you know, I just can't see him

1073
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 2>sitting through.

1074
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah, and and but then he goes on.

1075
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 2>To saying what you said, I've lied to get a job,

1076
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 2>that type of thing. But that's when I say, oh, yeah,

1077
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.079
<v Speaker 2>but who's he lying to. He's not lying to get

1078
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 2>a job.

1079
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.800
<v Speaker 1>He's lying to us, all of us.

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01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And you can tell Bob I said that, Oh absolutely,

1081
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:52.320
<v Speaker 2>because a change in my mind, because these are these

1082
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 2>are things, they're documented.

1083
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, either way, I do not care if

1084
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.639
<v Speaker 3>my film, the arguments I say, change anybody's mind or not,

1085
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.960
<v Speaker 3>because nobody can change each other's minds except for ourselves.

1086
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:07.760
<v Speaker 3>So we have to go through our own process. I

1087
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 3>have things that I don't believe in this space at all,

1088
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:13.039
<v Speaker 3>or people that I don't trust one hundred percent, So

1089
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.360
<v Speaker 3>there Jeremy being one of them. By the way. So

1090
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 3>there's a tremendous amount of stuff out there that is

1091
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:22.079
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of bullshit, no question about it. But what

1092
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.280
<v Speaker 3>I can say is, I'm speaking from my experience. I'm

1093
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 3>speaking from also a position as a past investigator and

1094
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.639
<v Speaker 3>a person who's done a tremendous amount of due diligence

1095
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.719
<v Speaker 3>to bring this film to the public. I can tell

1096
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:42.199
<v Speaker 3>you that the information does point us in a direction

1097
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Speaker 3>that this is real if past things associated to it.

1098
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:55.000
<v Speaker 3>A perfect example, Martin is do you believe that Bill

1099
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Clinton was the president of the United States? Yes? Okay.

1100
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Do you believe that he did a good job with

1101
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.840
<v Speaker 3>certain policies he put out there? Sure there's a few.

1102
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Did he lie about getting a blowjob from Monica Lewinski? Absolutely?

1103
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.519
<v Speaker 3>This is a family show, Yeah, so did he lie

1104
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 3>about that? Absolutely? Does that take away the fact that

1105
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:19.840
<v Speaker 3>he was president of the United States?

1106
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 1>No?

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01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, is this some type of analogy? But we're

1108
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.159
<v Speaker 2>talking a bj compared to Bob Lazar.

1109
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Saying I'm bringing up the president of the United States

1110
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.079
<v Speaker 3>to somebody, and he lied to the public, So we

1111
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.239
<v Speaker 3>know that. People, So what because of that, we don't

1112
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.440
<v Speaker 3>believe anything that was done?

1113
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Is that with Bob Lazarre you mean, no.

1114
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about Clinton. If he lied there, does that

1115
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:51.639
<v Speaker 3>mean he's lying everywhere?

1116
01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.159
<v Speaker 2>No, that's not a good analogy in my opinion at all,

1117
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:59.039
<v Speaker 2>because this is a whole private personal thing his wife

1118
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 2>and has nothing to do with someone out there saying

1119
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:02.679
<v Speaker 2>they reverse.

1120
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Engineered alien aircraft. Why totally different.

1121
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that was a terrible analogy, I

1122
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.760
<v Speaker 2>really do, so, yes, because that's okay.

1123
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:23.239
<v Speaker 3>All right, So Galileo, all right, I'm Italian, Galileo all

1124
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.840
<v Speaker 3>familiar with Galileo? Right, So, yeah, you have everybody in

1125
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:30.880
<v Speaker 3>the academic community really like bowing down to Galileo like

1126
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:35.519
<v Speaker 3>he's this scientific god from the past, Galileo. I'm Italian,

1127
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:39.760
<v Speaker 3>all the in Italy. Everybody knows Galileo wasn't necessarily the

1128
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 3>straightest arrow in the scientific community. Okay, So he did

1129
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stupid things. He did a lot of

1130
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:51.559
<v Speaker 3>side things that were not always right, Yet nobody cares.

1131
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 3>He's still Galileo. Nobody gives a shit about all that.

1132
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.440
<v Speaker 3>For some reason, we've selectively said, oh, that's fine.

1133
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.440
<v Speaker 1>So why are you making an excuse forotball bazaarre?

1134
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Not?

1135
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.199
<v Speaker 2>No, no, what what do you making an excuse for it?

1136
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:06.639
<v Speaker 2>It's not ball bizarre.

1137
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Character attack or character assassination.

1138
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 2>No, No, he did it to himself when he's when

1139
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.400
<v Speaker 2>he put this stuff out there. Element one fifteen. Let's

1140
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.320
<v Speaker 2>talk about element one fifteen. He knew that was coming

1141
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:21.480
<v Speaker 2>up in the periodic table. We knew that it could

1142
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.119
<v Speaker 2>go up to one eighteen, so he just threw that

1143
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:27.760
<v Speaker 2>out there. But there we go element fifteen, five hundred

1144
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.440
<v Speaker 2>pounds of it when it only has a half life

1145
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.880
<v Speaker 2>of a very short time fraction of a second.

1146
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 3>That's not what he said. He said that the one

1147
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 3>that he had was not the one that they synthesized. Now,

1148
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:39.199
<v Speaker 3>he clearly said that when it came out when they

1149
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 3>synthesized E one fifteen and in Russia, he said, that's

1150
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:45.079
<v Speaker 3>not the same thing. He said it right away.

1151
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:46.679
<v Speaker 1>He goes it, could it not be the same thing?

1152
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.119
<v Speaker 1>It has to do with protons.

1153
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:51.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not the same isotope. He said it clearly.

1154
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 3>He said, it's not even the same isotope. So we're

1155
01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 3>not talking about the same thing. He goes, Yes, they

1156
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:58.039
<v Speaker 3>synthesized it, but it's not the same isotope. The same

1157
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:01.800
<v Speaker 3>thing applies to gold, and so it's the same thing.

1158
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Are you talking alchemy here? Is that where we're going?

1159
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 3>No, that's a reality, Martin, What do you do? This

1160
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.039
<v Speaker 3>is not alchemy? This is simple, all right.

1161
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So Bob Blazaarre is saying what they when they discovered

1162
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.800
<v Speaker 2>one fifteen, it's not the same one fifteen the Aliens had?

1163
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Is that what he's said?

1164
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

1165
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 1>So what is he saying? What was he saying?

1166
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.520
<v Speaker 3>The element one fifteen that they had at S four

1167
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:27.399
<v Speaker 3>was stable. It was a stable version of it, that's all.

1168
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a stable version of the element. The element that

1169
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:34.439
<v Speaker 3>was synthesized in Dermstock, Germany is not stable. It has

1170
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:37.880
<v Speaker 3>a has a very short half life of a microsecond

1171
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:38.359
<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

1172
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:41.720
<v Speaker 1>So how can okay, so, how can it be stabilized?

1173
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 2>How can it be stabilized? If it how can his

1174
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.119
<v Speaker 2>be stabilized? And then we can't with all our technology stabilized?

1175
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, this is actually this is just simple

1176
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 3>science here. If you look at gold, there's various different

1177
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:02.600
<v Speaker 3>versions of gold, different isotopes of gold. Some gold isotopes

1178
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:07.720
<v Speaker 3>also decay very quickly, same as the synthesized version of

1179
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:10.600
<v Speaker 3>element one fifteen. There's nothing new about this. This is

1180
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:14.880
<v Speaker 3>how science works. That there's various gold isotopes and the

1181
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:17.399
<v Speaker 3>one that we're familiar with that we wear is the

1182
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.399
<v Speaker 3>stable version of it. There's the same thing with hydrogen.

1183
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:25.319
<v Speaker 3>Hydrogen has unstable isotopes and stable isotopes. So every element

1184
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.760
<v Speaker 3>has its has a spectrum. So the E one fifteen

1185
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:34.159
<v Speaker 3>that they had at S four was stable. It was

1186
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.920
<v Speaker 3>something that you could hold in your hand. The one

1187
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 3>that was synthesized is decaying very quickly. They will eventually

1188
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:46.000
<v Speaker 3>get to it, probably in many years from now. It'll

1189
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 3>probably arrive to a point where we might figure out.

1190
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.119
<v Speaker 2>So we're taking Bob's word for this, is that what

1191
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:57.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm understanding Bob's word because that he was handling stabilized

1192
01:09:57.680 --> 01:09:58.760
<v Speaker 2>element one fifteen.

1193
01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:02.079
<v Speaker 3>I would also say that in light of the element

1194
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:04.000
<v Speaker 3>one fifteen when he took a piece of it and

1195
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:05.920
<v Speaker 3>he had it at his house and he did a

1196
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 3>cloud chamber test, you had gene Huff and George Napp

1197
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:13.960
<v Speaker 3>both there present at the cloud chamber test. Okay, and

1198
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.479
<v Speaker 3>there was a beam of light that bent because there

1199
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:20.920
<v Speaker 3>was a piece of Element one fifteen in a leadpuck

1200
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 3>in the cloud chamber. There is no video or photo

1201
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:28.279
<v Speaker 3>evidence of that beam of light bending. So we have

1202
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:32.159
<v Speaker 3>to take the word of Gene Huff and George Napp

1203
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:36.319
<v Speaker 3>to validate what Bob Blazar said. Now you have Bob Blazar,

1204
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.439
<v Speaker 3>Gene Huff, and George Napp, all three colluding with some

1205
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.479
<v Speaker 3>type of fake information. Is that what we're saying. So

1206
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:51.199
<v Speaker 3>this is why I also say, I'm I gotta give

1207
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:55.279
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of credibility to the story when I

1208
01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 3>have other people validating information that I can. Obviously we

1209
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:07.520
<v Speaker 3>don't have we don't have a absolute, viable, hard evidence

1210
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 3>to it. But if you have other people, then we

1211
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:13.800
<v Speaker 3>have to assume either they're fully lying to me or

1212
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.520
<v Speaker 3>all of us or this, or they saw this. So

1213
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:22.239
<v Speaker 3>if they saw a beam of light bending, that's something.

1214
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:27.000
<v Speaker 3>If they're saying it, I cannot omit that from the

1215
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.359
<v Speaker 3>information that I'm receiving. And that also tracks with the

1216
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:34.439
<v Speaker 3>fact that Bob said he stole a piece of Element

1217
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.359
<v Speaker 3>one point fifteen from Los Alamos, and he said that

1218
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:45.159
<v Speaker 3>publicly recently. So this information is there's nothing crazy. That

1219
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:49.159
<v Speaker 3>is only Bob Lazarn't you have other people when they

1220
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.840
<v Speaker 3>went and visit. Then when they went to witness the

1221
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:55.520
<v Speaker 3>test flight on the twenty twenty second of March. I

1222
01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:57.319
<v Speaker 3>believe twenty second of March. I'm trying to remember the

1223
01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:01.239
<v Speaker 3>date of eighty nine, and and geene Huff was there

1224
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:06.039
<v Speaker 3>and they witnessed the craft. They witnessed the craft doing

1225
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:06.760
<v Speaker 3>some pretty crewer.

1226
01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I knew that was going to come up. I talked

1227
01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 2>to John Lear about that. Yeah, okay, yeah, so they witnessed.

1228
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, careful with John Lear because John Lear also embellished stuff,

1229
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:18.239
<v Speaker 3>so we have to be careful.

1230
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:20.960
<v Speaker 1>This was back in twenty twelve.

1231
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.960
<v Speaker 3>That he was already embellishing stuff. So it's important was

1232
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:28.920
<v Speaker 3>careful with John Lear. But there's people. Gene Huff says,

1233
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I saw this. I don't care if Bobizar If I

1234
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.319
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have seen that, I wouldn't say that because Bob's

1235
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.640
<v Speaker 3>my friend. He says, I saw it and took it.

1236
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Took a lot to get Jeane to say that publicly.

1237
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.720
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like he wanted to come out publicly and

1238
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.960
<v Speaker 3>say that. I had to pull him out of the

1239
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.560
<v Speaker 3>closet and be like, come on, man, please, I want,

1240
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.479
<v Speaker 3>I want, I'd love to have you in the film.

1241
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.399
<v Speaker 3>And he agreed to work with us, but he wasn't

1242
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:02.159
<v Speaker 3>willing willingly putting this in out there. There's no benefit

1243
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:06.640
<v Speaker 3>to doing this. The only benefit to doing And by

1244
01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:09.640
<v Speaker 3>the way, none of these guys I don't know about

1245
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.800
<v Speaker 3>George Nap because I'm not familiar with George, but I

1246
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:17.640
<v Speaker 3>can say for Mario Santa Cruz and Gene Huff. I

1247
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 3>can also speak on behalf of another friend of his

1248
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:23.760
<v Speaker 3>who had recently passed away, who had been the person

1249
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:27.039
<v Speaker 3>who interacted with the Mike Thickpen. But the gentleman passed away.

1250
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:31.640
<v Speaker 3>But all these people have never benefited financially from this.

1251
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I know stories about Bob Blazar because of his He

1252
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 3>and his wife have shared very personal stuff that they

1253
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:43.720
<v Speaker 3>went through, or Bob went through. After all this happened.

1254
01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:48.760
<v Speaker 3>None of this was financially beneficial. And Bob Lazar turned

1255
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 3>down two movie deals one time when he was absolutely

1256
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:58.920
<v Speaker 3>not doing well financially, and he turned them down because

1257
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.000
<v Speaker 3>they were going to make the story looked like he

1258
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:03.920
<v Speaker 3>was some type of a hero coming out of the

1259
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.800
<v Speaker 3>base and they were driving after him. He didn't want

1260
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:08.560
<v Speaker 3>to have anything to do with that. And there was

1261
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.359
<v Speaker 3>a lot of money put on the table. I spoke

1262
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.039
<v Speaker 3>to one of the people that was part of that project,

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01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:16.920
<v Speaker 3>one of the people that was part of the company

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01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.760
<v Speaker 3>to put this out there. Bob turned it down. There's

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01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:22.399
<v Speaker 3>a lot of money on the table. He turned it down.

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01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:27.520
<v Speaker 3>When we launched our posters recently, I have to say this. Recently,

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01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:30.199
<v Speaker 3>we put a poster out that they're here, poster on

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01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.560
<v Speaker 3>our website, and I said to Bob, I'll send you

1269
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:36.399
<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch ifever you want to put them on

1270
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:40.119
<v Speaker 3>United Nuclear and you could sell them. And I want

1271
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Bob to benefit from something that we did. Bob never

1272
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.239
<v Speaker 3>asked us for any money, by the way, I sent

1273
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:48.640
<v Speaker 3>it to him. When we're talking, and we sold quite

1274
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:50.680
<v Speaker 3>a few posters, and I said, so, how are the

1275
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:55.359
<v Speaker 3>poster sales going? I said, how are the poster sales going?

1276
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.199
<v Speaker 3>And Bob said, by the way, I just want to

1277
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.359
<v Speaker 3>let you know we've stopped selling them to all the

1278
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.079
<v Speaker 3>people overseas and or just refunding people. I said, you're

1279
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:09.079
<v Speaker 3>refunding people. He goes, yeah, Joy is refunding them on

1280
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.399
<v Speaker 3>their credit cards. It's too much trouble. I don't want

1281
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 3>to do it. So here's a grifter apparently, or some

1282
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:21.439
<v Speaker 3>type of liar who's turning down money that's in their

1283
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:25.119
<v Speaker 3>bank account and they're refunding their clients because they don't

1284
01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't want to go through the trouble of getting

1285
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:29.840
<v Speaker 3>a poster signing his name, rolling it up and sending

1286
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.079
<v Speaker 3>it out to all these people around the planet because

1287
01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:34.560
<v Speaker 3>he says, I don't want to. I don't have the

1288
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:37.960
<v Speaker 3>time to do it. I'm semi retired, I'm helping Joy,

1289
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:41.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to do my stuff for United Nuclear. So

1290
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:44.920
<v Speaker 3>he's not somebody who's ever come across to me as

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01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.079
<v Speaker 3>like wanting to take advantage of the story, unlike a

1292
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:53.199
<v Speaker 3>lot of people I know who do have their book

1293
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:57.239
<v Speaker 3>deals and they charge ten twenty thousand dollars to show

1294
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:02.880
<v Speaker 3>up at places, and people who are very arrogant, like

1295
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Avi Lobe, who goes around requesting money to go around places.

1296
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:11.760
<v Speaker 3>There's a bunch of bullshit in this in this community

1297
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.880
<v Speaker 3>that I could lay out on a red carpet and

1298
01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:17.079
<v Speaker 3>there would be enough to talk about until the end

1299
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:22.399
<v Speaker 3>of time. I can say for sure it's controversial with Lazarre,

1300
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:27.079
<v Speaker 3>but he's not benefiting financially. I haven't seen that. And

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01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I know that whatever he got from Jeremy's film was peanuts.

1302
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:34.199
<v Speaker 3>Nothing I think he was. It was just travel. It

1303
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:37.000
<v Speaker 3>was just for travel, something for him to go somewhere.

1304
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.880
<v Speaker 3>So if this is if this guy he did, they're

1305
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:43.359
<v Speaker 3>not rich people. I've been to their house many times.

1306
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:47.960
<v Speaker 3>They're not millionaires. They're working. He's working all the time.

1307
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:50.600
<v Speaker 3>His hands are dirty all the time. His wife is

1308
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:54.000
<v Speaker 3>constantly working, trying to make things work for them. So

1309
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:58.319
<v Speaker 3>this is not a fair character of the person that

1310
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I got to know, or my whole he got to know.

1311
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.560
<v Speaker 3>We got to know a person who. Yeah, he says it.

1312
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.479
<v Speaker 3>It's a crazy story. He says, I wouldn't believe my

1313
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:12.640
<v Speaker 3>own story. But it happened to He says, I'll never forget.

1314
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:14.520
<v Speaker 3>He said this to me a long time ago. He said,

1315
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:19.720
<v Speaker 3>even if I ate baby's brains, I went to S four.

1316
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:23.720
<v Speaker 3>That happened to me, he says. Whether people believe it

1317
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:26.840
<v Speaker 3>or not, I don't care. He says, I don't have

1318
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:29.800
<v Speaker 3>to prove it to the world that happened to me now,

1319
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:34.199
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we can see tracks at Papo's Lake

1320
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:37.439
<v Speaker 3>since at least two thousand and two or two thousand

1321
01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.479
<v Speaker 3>and six. We can see that they removed the road

1322
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.399
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty nine, right after he went public. We

1323
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:48.199
<v Speaker 3>can see that rectangular formation. It's a structure right in

1324
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:51.039
<v Speaker 3>the side of the hill, exactly where he said it

1325
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:55.960
<v Speaker 3>was in nineteen eighty nine. I don't know something's there.

1326
01:17:56.479 --> 01:18:00.800
<v Speaker 3>And I've always said I would love it if one

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01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:06.039
<v Speaker 3>of these people in Congress or in government, all these

1328
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.039
<v Speaker 3>people talking blah blah blah. They're all fucking talking all

1329
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.439
<v Speaker 3>the time. There's so much talk. I can't I don't.

1330
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:15.079
<v Speaker 3>I turn off my laptop, my computer, my phone. I

1331
01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:18.319
<v Speaker 3>don't want to hear it anymore. I said, if one

1332
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:22.880
<v Speaker 3>of them goes to area fifty one, you got JD.

1333
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:25.199
<v Speaker 3>Van saying he's gonna go to Area fifty one. Sure

1334
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.199
<v Speaker 3>they're not gonna see anything. But if they were to

1335
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:32.840
<v Speaker 3>take a helicopter ride right there, right at the edge

1336
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:37.319
<v Speaker 3>of that hill where S four is apparently located, I

1337
01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:41.560
<v Speaker 3>don't care if they moved shit out of there. I

1338
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.279
<v Speaker 3>personally believe there's a facility there. I think that it

1339
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.119
<v Speaker 3>was an extension of the Kelly Mine that was built

1340
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:53.640
<v Speaker 3>in the late nineteen thirties, and they already had underground

1341
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:57.960
<v Speaker 3>facility there, so they just repurposed it as a military base.

1342
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:04.520
<v Speaker 3>If there is still signs of a facility there, then

1343
01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:09.319
<v Speaker 3>that at least gives us some type of clue. I'm

1344
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:12.000
<v Speaker 3>not saying it says that flying saucers are real, but

1345
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:17.079
<v Speaker 3>it's some type of clue that almost forty years ago,

1346
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Bob Lazar said right there, at that exact spot, there's

1347
01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:25.920
<v Speaker 3>nine large hangar doors hidden in the side of the hill.

1348
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Inside he said he saw flying saucers from another planet. Fine,

1349
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:33.760
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to believe that, Fine, but if there

1350
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:38.439
<v Speaker 3>is a facility, we should not pretend that. We shouldn't

1351
01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:42.000
<v Speaker 3>we we should not omit that from Let's try to

1352
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:46.319
<v Speaker 3>at least validate that instead of saying he lied about

1353
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:50.479
<v Speaker 3>going to university. I agree. But as as people looking

1354
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:53.359
<v Speaker 3>for the truth here, Martin and now forget Bob Blazar.

1355
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:57.239
<v Speaker 3>I've been searching for the truth in this field forever.

1356
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.680
<v Speaker 3>If there is maybe something there, Congressman Burlison says he

1357
01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:05.920
<v Speaker 3>wants to go somewhere. Timber Check keeps talking about wanting

1358
01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.880
<v Speaker 3>to go and check something out. Jdven says he wants

1359
01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:11.720
<v Speaker 3>to go go there, go there.

1360
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this.

1361
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you ask Bob if he's willing to repeat

1362
01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:19.880
<v Speaker 2>his claims that he's been having all this time in

1363
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:25.199
<v Speaker 2>a skiff with people like Barlson and all that under earth,

1364
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:29.399
<v Speaker 2>and name the locations, name the people, name the dates,

1365
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:31.800
<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't he do that?

1366
01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.359
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly no. Hold on a second, that you gotta

1367
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:38.600
<v Speaker 3>be careful with that, because why he says, all the time,

1368
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.920
<v Speaker 3>careful I've done he was the first. Okay, hold on

1369
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.840
<v Speaker 3>a second, you're now minimizing the fact that Bob Lazar

1370
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.680
<v Speaker 3>was the original whistleblower of all the stuff that we're

1371
01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:51.680
<v Speaker 3>talking about today.

1372
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's in a real whistleblower. He didn't do the whistleblower

1373
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.399
<v Speaker 2>thing either the way you're supposed to. He was just

1374
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:01.359
<v Speaker 2>out there talking. That's a whistleblower.

1375
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Look it up. He was not a whistleblower.

1376
01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:08.960
<v Speaker 2>He was someone out there repeating a story that a

1377
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:12.239
<v Speaker 2>real whistleblower does it like David Grush did. He did

1378
01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>it all the way, all the protocols, the where you're

1379
01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:18.079
<v Speaker 2>supposed to do it. Bob Lazar just started talking and

1380
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.720
<v Speaker 2>saying he was scared for his life. Nine started out

1381
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:22.279
<v Speaker 2>with Dennis, Like you said.

1382
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in nineteen eighty nine, he didn't even want to

1383
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.359
<v Speaker 3>go public. It was George Knapfta that that kind of

1384
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:28.600
<v Speaker 3>put the tape out public. He didn't even want to

1385
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:33.439
<v Speaker 3>go public. It was a fight. You can't you cannot

1386
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:39.079
<v Speaker 3>mischaracterize that as he was not a whistleblower. That's actually

1387
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.039
<v Speaker 3>an unfortunate thing that you said, because I do believe

1388
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:46.319
<v Speaker 3>I've been involved in this field for so long. I

1389
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:49.520
<v Speaker 3>agree with you that Grush is a real whistleblower. I

1390
01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:52.960
<v Speaker 3>agree there's real whistleblowers out there, but there's no way

1391
01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:56.119
<v Speaker 3>that I would not categorize Bob Blazar as one of

1392
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:59.199
<v Speaker 3>the whistleblowers. Who was the first one to mention the

1393
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:03.399
<v Speaker 3>US Navy, the first one to mention Papoos Lake Area

1394
01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:08.119
<v Speaker 3>fifty one S four reverse engineering programs, the first one

1395
01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:12.159
<v Speaker 3>to say that they had intact craft and not crash saucers.

1396
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.199
<v Speaker 3>Back in nineteen eighty nine when I was involved with Mewfhon,

1397
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I remember everyone was talking about the Air Force crash

1398
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:24.920
<v Speaker 3>crafts that Roswell Kingman Aztec. Nobody was talking about intact vehicles.

1399
01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Nobody was saying that they were reverse engineering craft that

1400
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.119
<v Speaker 3>were functional and they were flying them. Nobody was saying that.

1401
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Bob Wozar said that in nineteen eighty nine, So you

1402
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:39.800
<v Speaker 3>can't say he's not a whistleblower. Maybe by the dictionary

1403
01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:43.880
<v Speaker 3>definition that you want it to be in the government. Fine,

1404
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:48.000
<v Speaker 3>but let's face it, he blew the whistle on something.

1405
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:54.279
<v Speaker 3>And if Bob isn't telling the truth, then why is

1406
01:22:54.319 --> 01:23:01.079
<v Speaker 3>it that it's tracking so well with some of the

1407
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:04.560
<v Speaker 3>stuff that's being told out there. Look at guys like

1408
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:09.199
<v Speaker 3>Eric Davis taking a crap on Bob Blazar every chance

1409
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:14.479
<v Speaker 3>he can get. Yet everything he says is verbatim to

1410
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.439
<v Speaker 3>what Bob Blazar said in nineteen eighty nine in the

1411
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:21.640
<v Speaker 3>way the objects are functioning. I find that hilarious. I

1412
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:25.279
<v Speaker 3>find that interesting that he just decides that he's right,

1413
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:27.680
<v Speaker 3>but Bob's wrong, even though Bob said at thirty eight

1414
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:31.279
<v Speaker 3>years prior. If you think about that, you think about

1415
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:36.560
<v Speaker 3>the things that people do say today, it's tracking with

1416
01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Bob Lazar. Sorry, it's tracking with what Bob Lazar was claiming.

1417
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:46.279
<v Speaker 3>So maybe just maybe there is a little bit of

1418
01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:49.680
<v Speaker 3>truth in that story. And if there is we should

1419
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:54.960
<v Speaker 3>be mindful of not throwing away the baby with the

1420
01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:59.079
<v Speaker 3>bathwater if we don't agree with certain things. And I

1421
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:02.560
<v Speaker 3>will be the first one here as an ex investigator,

1422
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:06.039
<v Speaker 3>ex director of New Fund in Canada, I can say this,

1423
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:10.159
<v Speaker 3>I agree one hundred percent with you. A lot of

1424
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:13.960
<v Speaker 3>it cannot be proven one hundred percent I'm agreeing. But

1425
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:17.119
<v Speaker 3>I can also tell you that after doing a very

1426
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:21.439
<v Speaker 3>in depth investigation, there is enough evidence that points to

1427
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.720
<v Speaker 3>this could be real. Maybe in a different light, but

1428
01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:29.439
<v Speaker 3>there's some real to it. So we can't say it's

1429
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:33.279
<v Speaker 3>not one hundred percent real, it's not responsible. We have

1430
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:37.520
<v Speaker 3>to look at the data. We have to not just say, oh,

1431
01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:41.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it. Stanton Friedman did that, and I

1432
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:44.439
<v Speaker 3>respected Stanton and I knew him very well. I thought

1433
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:46.520
<v Speaker 3>he was I think he's one of the legends that

1434
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:50.439
<v Speaker 3>we should always honor because he was intuitable for everything

1435
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:53.119
<v Speaker 3>he did, and I will always put him on a

1436
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:57.720
<v Speaker 3>pedestal always because I thought I think he was incredible

1437
01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.960
<v Speaker 3>and a true pioneer in all this. But if we

1438
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:03.880
<v Speaker 3>have to go look for the truth, we need to

1439
01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:09.840
<v Speaker 3>absolutely take our personal convictions, move them aside, and be like,

1440
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:13.439
<v Speaker 3>all right, there's things that Lula Azando says that I

1441
01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:16.199
<v Speaker 3>personally don't believe at all, at all zero, And then

1442
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:18.800
<v Speaker 3>there's other stuff he says, and I'm like, Okay, maybe

1443
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.760
<v Speaker 3>he's saying the truth here, So it doesn't mean that

1444
01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:25.880
<v Speaker 3>he's complete bullshit only because he lied a little bit here.

1445
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:31.159
<v Speaker 3>There's clearly some truth to it. It's important that we

1446
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:34.680
<v Speaker 3>don't throw all of it away. It's what I get

1447
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.960
<v Speaker 3>worried about. What I really get worried about is the

1448
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:41.760
<v Speaker 3>people going around saying I'm part of a secret space

1449
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.720
<v Speaker 3>program and they sent me to Mars, and they did

1450
01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:46.800
<v Speaker 3>a twenty in back and they sent me back and

1451
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:49.399
<v Speaker 3>says if I never was gone, fuck off with that.

1452
01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:52.439
<v Speaker 3>Let's just get the fuck out of here. You're wasting

1453
01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:56.039
<v Speaker 3>everyone's time with that shit. That's what I think personally.

1454
01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm going to have to make this a

1455
01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:03.119
<v Speaker 2>non family show, this particular one, because normally I don't swear.

1456
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:06.560
<v Speaker 2>So getting back to the whistleblower thing, just I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what he's saying in the loose part of the sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's never really been it's unverified claims, and he

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<v Speaker 2>never filed a document and complaint, he never testified under oath.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I consider a whistleblower myself, but I loosely

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand why you'd call him a whistleblower. But

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<v Speaker 2>I know we've gone way over time here, So.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to quickly say, Edward Snowden. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Edward Snowden was a big whistleblower if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>And Edward Snowden didn't have any formal education that was

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<v Speaker 3>valid to bring him to.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he was.

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<v Speaker 3>I just it's just a little fyi if we did,

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<v Speaker 3>if you do a deep dive on Snowden, we really

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<v Speaker 3>gave him access. The government gave him access to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff, and he had not gotten any master's

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<v Speaker 3>degrees from anywhere. So it's just important to mention that,

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<v Speaker 3>let's not forget there's other examples out there of people

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<v Speaker 3>that have come out and told us truths about what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on, and they don't absolutely have to have a

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<v Speaker 3>diploma to be credible to say those things. Very important

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<v Speaker 3>say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got to tell you, I appreciate you coming

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<v Speaker 2>here and having this discussion, and I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>changed either one of our minds.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I was going to sell it, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I do appreciate it and your movies. That's four.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that doing well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very well. I'm super happy. We're very happy. We're

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<v Speaker 3>working on something right now. So we look forward to

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<v Speaker 3>announcing something new in the next couple months.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. Okay, So Lenks will be in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry I didn't get to any of your questions in chat,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really do appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it being willing to come here and knowing

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<v Speaker 2>how I felt about Boba Zara. And I'm probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to lose some of my listeners too.

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<v Speaker 3>That just you know, a lot of people have their

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<v Speaker 3>mind made of everybody still like Martin. No, I like Martin. No,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not unsubscribed. Subscribe to the guy. He's good. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, I can hear the iPods.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm plugging from the earbuds right now. But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. All right, all right, so everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget to come back here on Thursday night. We

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<v Speaker 2>have Rabbi Rothschild and we have some great guests coming

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<v Speaker 2>up in the future, So check back with us here

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<v Speaker 2>on the YouTube channel, and don't forget If you were

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<v Speaker 2>watching my Tesla videos, self driving videos, whatever. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a separate YouTube channel for that now and the links below.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for everyone for being here, and remember

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<v Speaker 2>to keep your eyes to the skuy