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I'm Garrett and Preston Handy on the line. Gentlemen, how
you guys doing today?
Speaker 5: Hey? Doing well? Ben? How you doing? Ben?
Speaker 2: Living your dream?
Speaker 4: Guys love to break down all the news. Hey man,
no room for improvement? Is my grandpa? You say, no
room for improvement? All is well in my world.
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Speaker 2: So guys, let's break this down.
Speaker 4: I'm just glad I'm not in a courtroom right now
we're being sued for anything.
Speaker 2: Uh follow up, I have a little follow.
Speaker 4: Up on the NBA betting scandal, the bombshell that shook
the basketball we'll shoot the sports world last week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we want to talk about this. You know, as
we know, last week we jumped in on this bombshell
that Chauncey Phillips was arrested in the part of a
mafia run a poker scheme, and the other one was
Terry Rosier and another player were arrested in a bet
manipulating thing where they had essentially Terry Rozier was sharing
inside information on players health, who was going to play,
who wasn't going to play, that affected prop bets. Also,
there was a situation where Terry Rozier took himself out
of a game that apparently caught the tension of a lot.
And so what happened is the Department of Justice, the
FBI came in and arrested Terry Rozier. That's where we're
going to focus today. That's the criminal side of the things.
And as you can guess, Terry Rosier's lawyer came in
and with the big statement that, oh, how dare he
how dare they do this? He would never do that.
Blah blah blah blah blah. That's kind of how they
respond to it. But you're up against the Department of Justice. Well,
this caught the attention of Congress, and we're going to
talk a little bit about the legislative legislative side of
law things today. Well, sports betting, as we know, has
become a big deal. You know, you can anybody can
sports bet with their phone. Well, for a long time
there was there was some legislation. It was called the
Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, and that was a
federal act that you know, kind of regulated sports betting. Well,
that went out of the way in twenty eighteen, and
they essentially said, hey, let's let states. Let's set states
deal with how they want to deal with sports betting,
and most of the states did. Thirty ninited the states
had legislation in place, and the main thing was, you know,
sports betting, it's always hey, how does it infect the
integrity of the game, And there's always thought that, you know,
betting is going to it invites corruption, especially if it
gets in involved players or people involved in the game.
You know, most famously Pete Rose, who bet on baseball.
But now that things are so loosey goosey and anybody
can bet on anything. And as we see with the
allegations on Terry Rozier, congresses come in and they want answers,
and so they have sent a letter to the NBA,
the Commerce Department, who kind of oversees these things and
has authority over professional sports. They want answers, and they said,
dear mister Silver, we're talking about Adam Silver. They said,
this is a matter of Congressional concern. The integrative NBA
games must be trustworthy, free from influence of organized crime
and gambling relate activity sports betting. Scandals like this lead
American public to assume that sports are corrupt. So they're
going to the NBA and say, hey, we need answers.
One of the things they want is they want documentation
of the the internal investigation that the NBA did into
Terry Rozier. We talked about We've talked about this on
our Sports Court program, where the NBA got caught into
this with the Johnte Porter and Terry Rozier, and they
did an internal investigation. They came up with they didn't
think there was a deal there. And Adam Silver has
come out and said, well, you know, the Partner of
Justice has a lot more authority with subpoena power and
things like that, investigative power to get into this. So
he says, we're going to just let them do it.
But Congress, you know, they like to sometimes puff and
puff and puff and stuff, but you know, they want
to look out for the public. The perception of this,
and so they want the documentation, they want to look
at it, and the question is will there be federal legislation?
You know, they'll look into this and see if there's
something that should be handled on the federal level. A
lot of people think things told just be handled on
the state level. But it's caught their attention and giving
them something to do.
Speaker 4: Right now, Well, I mean, so much craziness here, and
it just calls into question the integrity of sport. We
know that betting has been a part of sport for
a long time.
Speaker 2: Lit'sten.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to be disingenuous. I mean,
like you know, from Pete Rose and others in the past,
we can go into baseball, football, basketball. I do feel though,
like you know, football is still very It's less manipulated.
You know, I love my Mike Gridiron, not to say
it hasn't happened, but I feel like it'd be really
hard to uh to manipulate football in the betting schemes, right.
Speaker 5: Don't I don't know. I mean again, you know we
know that now that lines and you know, teams being
favored are so driven by oh you hear that the
starting quarterbacks out you know, and that will change everything,
you know, and if someone, if someone has inside information
in whatever sports it is, it probably can you know,
affect the line and people betting and all of that. So,
I don't know. I think that the eruption is the
chance for corruption is probably widespread.
Speaker 2: It's everywhere.
Speaker 5: We haven't heard about one in football, but it's just
a matter of time till we do. You know, like
someone deflating footballs and stuff like that. I don't know
if there were, I don't know if they were bets
on that. You know, it interesting to know someone that
caught win that. Oh hey, uh, there might be footballs
that aren't up to the correct PSI and that's going
to help somebody And I'm going to bet that way.
I'm just glabbing on here.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: No, I remember that someone, yeah, becomes privy to the
PSIS of a football and willing to bet heavily in
favor of the PSI team. Anyways, Brady Gate, if you
will to flay Gate, Let's move on to.
Speaker 2: The NCAA real quick. NCAA has been ordered.
Speaker 4: To pay eighty million to a former football player and
wife in a concussion lawsuit.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we've seen a lot of concussion losses over
the years, but I mean this one is really jumping
out of people. Won the size of it, right, eighteen
million dollars, but two because this involves his name is
Robert Gaithers and he played for South Carolina State in
the late seventies. So he's sixty eight years old, and
so just now bring this bringing this case and this
this kind of reminds me of basically kind of the
big tobacco litigation, right where you're saying, hey, you guys
knew about the harms and you you know, you didn't
share this information, and it said you allowed us to
go out and you know, get injured. And that's that's
what his argument is, is that the NCAA knew about
the effects of concussions for a long time and they
didn't share this information and they didn't protect their players.
So he now has it sounds like pretty severe dementia.
He's sixty eight years old at this point in his life,
and filed this case back in twenty nineteen, and you
can kind of see how slow it can take sometimes,
but this case went all the way to trial. I mean,
this is a jury verdict. He was awarded ten million
dollars and eight million dollars was awarded to his wife
for what's called loss of consortium. Kind of what she's
lost in this, in losing a spouse and a partner
that she now cares for.
Speaker 5: It sounds like I have.
Speaker 6: To think that that the you know, the Plaineffs lawyers
here Gay Theirs lawyers, they must have had some very
good experts lined up in this case to testify about
his dementia and essentially that he has CTE. Again, usually
CTE we've seen as not diagnosed. It's a post mortem
diagnosis that happens and this you know, this plane if
he's alive. So they've had to, you know, had good
experts to be able to come in and say that
there is a link between the dementia that he has
today and his football playing days in the late seventies
with South Carolina State. So it must have been very compelling,
I think for a jury to hear this, and they
must have had some again, some compelling evidence that the
inset of had prior knowledge that about these risks, and
that these risks went really above and beyond just your
the regular risks that you associate with playing with football.
Playing football, Right, we all know that if you play football,
you know, it's a it's a violent sport and you
could be injured to you know, break a leg or
twist an ankle, or blowout in the ear or whatever.
But the concussion claim is more specific, right that they
knew about this and didn't tell anybody, and so big
verdict sending some shockwaves in the insula if they decide
if they're going to kill this case or not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wonder does this open up a few other
options for for people that have had concussive blows, fraumatic
brain injuries, et cetera, to maybe litigate.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 6: Does it does? And I think it's going to you know,
bring up an issue for the instead of a to
decide how they're going to deal with this. Right, we're
talking potentially thousands and thousands of cases, right, do they
want to you know, we've seen you know, with the
in the NFL, right in their concussion lawsuit. You know, uh,
where they set inside money. They may need to do
something like that because I think it's pretty could be
pretty widespread.
Speaker 4: The liability liabilities liabilities never get caught in the situation
where you're held accountable with those liabilities. All right, so
uh more sport court action. Let's get into this uh
Sun's Mercury minority orders in lawsuit right now. Litigation is
going to be against Ishbiah and there's going to be
a counter suing as well. It sounds like in this
particular case, give us a breakdown here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so a couple of minority full disclosure we got
and I don't want to bore you. This isn't as
cool as you know, uh betting scandals in that time.
This is a billionaire minority owners suing suing billionaire owner
over some you know, kind of mundane stuff if you're
just looking at it. But this was two minority owners
who sued Legacy Corporation matt Ishbia back in June and said, hey,
we want to see the books, you know, and whenever
you've got partnerships and that type of thing, you know,
typically everyone there needs to be disclosures. So they said,
we need to see the books and we want to
see what's happening here. They that was their one claim,
and then they also sued matt Ishbia saying claiming that
he had reached fiduciae duties he failed to disclose certain
things that he had mismanaged and that he had entered
into a capitol call where he was trying to dilute
their ownership. So they have a lot of claims. Well,
the recent thing that's happened, a couple of things that's
happened is they have dismissed their portion of the lawsuit
about the documents. They've seen the books, but they said,
wait a minute, we're going to go forward with this
claim against you, you know, your mismanagement. And essentially their
claim is you're doing everything you can to delude our
shares well Ishia and they're saying, we think our shares
are worth a lot more. Well Ishbia has responded. He
has filed what's called a declaratory judgment. He wants the
court to come in and say, hey, you know what,
according to our operating agreement, I have a you know,
I'm the majority owner here. I had authority to do
this stuff, to make investments, to have a capital call,
to do all of this. So we want the court
to look at that. And you know they've all come
in there rattling their sabers. You know, the minority owners
said hey, you can come in here and say you
want to with declaratory judgment, you're soon us. But in
the end, really what that issue is here your mismanagement
and your breach of produciary duty. And so essentially there
are two claims. Are We've got really savvy business people
is saying, hey, you're trying to force the value to
this up, and we think I think you're trying to
force me to buy you out at amount that is
far greater than your market value. And they're saying, hey,
you are pushing the value down, so you can buy
us out for an amount that's far lower on that
So this litigation will go. But my guess is ISBA says, hey,
I don't need to buy you out, but you know,
there might be a settlement where they do buy them
out as something that's agreeable to everyone. But you know, again,
these are just high stakes things. And apparently these two
minority owners. I thought it was interesting that they were
part of the prior ownership when Sarbor owned the team,
and when ISHBA came in and bought it, they maintained
their ownership.
Speaker 4: I mean that whole entire Look, I'm from Phoenix, I'm
in Arizona, and like it's just sad. What's happened with
the entire organization since Colangelo laughed us. It's been bad.
It's a it's an age, it's an era by gone,
and I don't know if we'll ever be the same.
Let's talk about Alabama's and eighty is having to testify
in a defamation lawsuit against the New York Times.
Speaker 2: What's cooking here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of interesting. It grows out of a
story that came out a couple of years ago. Back then.
This is twenty twenty three, in March. March Madness in
Alabama was a number one seed that year, and there
was a shooting involving an Alabama player and another player
who was in a car. Anyway, it was kind of
big news, a tragic story. A woman was killed at
the scene. And what happened in the aftermath of this
is where this kind of case comes about. Is the
New York Times wrote a story about this murder and
named another Crimson tied Alabama player, Ky Spears, in the
story at that and said that he was present at
the time of the shooting. Well, as you can imagine,
I mean, if you're named in a story like this,
you know big murder investigation and story. You know, his
life got blown up for a little while there, you know,
with text messages and people reaching out to him, and
and he's saying, hey, wait a minute, this is this
is totally an accurate information. I was not at the scene.
I wasn't there. And so early on in this in
this reporting that took place, he and his father and
apparently their attorney had reached out to The New York
Times to get them to correct the story and to
retract it and correct the fact that he was not there,
and the Times didn't do that. Eventually they did, but
nonetheless he's brought Now, so what it's this is is
a defamation lost it against the New York Times for
improperly naming him as being, you know, at the scene
of this crime. And he's arguing again for a defamation
case that these statements were untrue and that it's it's
harmed him, it's damaged him right in his life. The
New York Times is arguing, there's a doctrine of what's
called substantial truth. They're saying, well, maybe we didn't get
every single detail correct in this story, but the gist
of it, right, is true, and Spears was on the team,
and so really it's a defamation case I mean involves
this former Alabama basketball player. But you know, with athletes
being in the news all the time with different incidents,
you know, sometimes you get kind of a tangential legal
issue like this one here where it's a defamation lawsuit growing.
Speaker 5: Out of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so be careful with your reporting, right, I know.
Speaker 4: No, it's funny because I mean sports radio sometimes we
get into like ideation mode, right. Any ideation mode is
where we're like we're pontificating and we're elaborating.
Speaker 2: We're like what if is it? Could this happen?
Speaker 4: Or could that is it? You got to be very
careful during ideation mode. So you don't want to, you know,
be too declared if this is just a theory. Right,
But where you go, I don't I don't know where
you from a urbage standpoint, what's protected language as it
pertains to you know, defamatory you know, you know defamation cases, right,
I don't know what would be considered defamation in that
situation when you're just kind of ideating, is there any
protective language?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 5: Right, and they're and they're not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, the New York
Times has some some journalists standards they need, like any
any publisher, right that they need to live up to,
and they've got to have sources and to be able
to corroborate this information. And apparently what had happened is
they had called him to get a to get a
quote before they published the story. But this player he
abided by Alabama you know, ad department rules, which was
no comment. Right, you're not going to comment on this story.
We don't want it getting involved in this. So he
says no comment. The Times go ahead, goes ahead and
publishes their story naming him there at the scene. So,
I mean, would have been a different story had he
talked to the reporter and tried to correct that at
that time and said, hey, I don't you know you're
barking up the wrong tree. I wasn't there, perhaps right,
But he went with the school's guidance, which was to
not comment.
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Let's get into the koogies talk A to No.
Speaker 5: Eight and O.
Speaker 1: What does this say about this team?
Speaker 3: Kalane's culture, Aaron Roderick's offense having bear a to O
as well compared to last year, because b what you
was in the same position last year? A no going
into week ten because they're going into the buy this week.
Speaker 9: Well, I think, first of all, I gotta say one thing,
and since Ben's not here, I can definitely go talk
about it because he was the one that was kept
giving me the crap every time He's like, hey, so
what's your realistic expectation, not your blue goggle one be
a realistic one.
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, into undefeated. Why can't that be my expectation?
Speaker 9: Okay, I can't look where they are, look where I
don't know why I have to keep getting bullied for that,
so he'll ben, look where we are.
Speaker 7: We're eight no, and we're there.
Speaker 9: So but obviously, you know, if we drop one whatever,
I still believe this team is an amazing team.
Speaker 7: But I think going back to what you were.
Speaker 9: Saying, it's such a like, such a tell tell of
how good this team is, well, the culture is, and
the the coaching staff, how good they are. The fact
that we can go eight no hopefully nine and oh
two years in a row with two different quarterbacks, with
two different systems with Bear like, I think it's a
testament to how good Bear is and how great he's been.
But also it kind of it's like a weird thing
where it shows, oh, that's crazy that bears eight no.
But also maybe it's not as much Bear as we
want to say it is, and it's really this offensive
staff and obviously the defense carrying a lot of us
in this way is just that good because we go
a year with Jacu awesome quarterback but also had his flaws.
And now we have a freshman who's doing the same thing.
Maybe this is just the dang good team.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I think it's a dang good team. I do think
this team is better than the team last year, and
that was a good team last year. I don't want
to take anything away from a ten and an eleven
to two team. I mean, double digit wins are hard
to come by. I don't want to be disrespectful at all,
but what I see on tape and on paper, this
team is more talented. They're more aggressive. I mean, you
have how many transfers playing. You see Tessilia Kana getting
a lot of time. You see Nuci thal Mopea getting time.
You see a bunch of guys playing. They were way
more talented. And I know that their transfer portal was
still one of the worst, but you look at the
additions of what they made defensively, braiding this defense is extreme.
It's definitely a top twenty five defense, no doubt, top ten,
and one of the best in the Big Twelve. This
defense can compete for a Big Twelve title and maybe
an opportunity to be in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and the defense, I think the linebackers being dinged
up has been. It was really what we saw in
the last two games. Honestly, I think you know, Glaster
playing one hundred percent, Utah doesn't go off because I
think he gets to the edge of mixing tackles where
he got blocked into spots that they weren't normally places
he would get blocked. And I think Jack and then
obviously Sally going out in the Iowa State game really
hurt us. But I think as a whole in the
talent it's in those all that defense is incredible. So
LJ is the only thing that worries me right now
is just if we can get it back. I'm hearing
all kinds of rumors that he's coming back to Texas Tech,
and then Hamer rumors then he's out for the season,
So I don't think anybody knows right now where we're at.
But that's the one thing that does scare me about
whether this team can be better than they were last year,
is because last year we had a stable of running
backs with you know l J and Hinkley and then
obviously some of the guys behind them that now if
we're down to Preston rexes a RB one. Like I've
been a huge component of Preston Rex on the show.
I think he's great. I think he's gonna be gonna
be really well. But having him as RB one with
kind of the running style we've been running over the
last ten years, I really just I'm a little more
worried than about that. And I'm really hoping that LJ
can come back and hopefully IF's compartment syndrome stuff goes
gets fixed. I don't I have no idea what the
timeline is on that either, So I'm a little worried
about the running back room.
Speaker 7: But besides that, like this team is great, like great great.
Speaker 3: I think there's a good point, as you bring up
in regards to LJ, if he is out for the season.
Speaker 1: By the way, Bill, he's keeping this really underrap. So yeah,
it was still evaluate. Kolani is like nice try.
Speaker 3: In the media availability, he basically said, nice try. Ah,
you thought she got me, but not you're not gonna
get it. And I mean it's our job to ask
the questions. Those medias are the member we're we're supposed.
If we don't do that, then we're not doing our job.
But I have no problem with Kilinnie being a little
bit tongue and cheeking us and poking us.
Speaker 1: But I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I'll say this, no LJ, no Big twelve title, no
even Big twelve opportunity to get to you can't do it.
I'm sorry if they if they if won the Big
twelve title out LJ Martin, I will not say a
bad thing about this offense ever.
Speaker 1: Again, couldn't I make the argument to you though?
Speaker 10: Like if I had told you before the Iowa State game, hey,
you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose LJ in the first quarter,
you probably would have come back with me, oh, yeah,
you're gonna lose that game, right, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Gone that deep. I would have been it's probably fifty fifty.
I don't think I think it's.
Speaker 2: Easier to say because we saw them win.
Speaker 9: To get to go to that point if we we
saw them win. But also when LJ went down like
we started, Like if you would have said, hey, LJ
is gone and we're down by whatever it was ten
or fourteen at that point, that's where I said, I
was saying, oh, I started getting a little nervy there,
And I'm not normally the nervy type in terms of this,
so I definitely it worries me if if was healthy,
Like I if you would have told me preseason, like
hey LG gets hurt, but is gonna Run'm like okay this.
Speaker 7: Or he was there, but having it be pressed them
just pressed. He's a speedy back.
Speaker 5: But I just don't because the hacking.
Speaker 7: Enix has shown some stuff.
Speaker 9: Enix shown some stuff that he can be that he
it's okay for you know, a couple of games last
year we had to fill in, but just not having
one of those three bigger backs just because we are
like Harvey's that's just the back that obviously he played
like that. But having this offense and the zone read,
I think having a bigger back that can run between
tackles when it does open up there.
Speaker 7: Is really really important, and I'm just I'm a little
nervous that we don't have one.
Speaker 3: You bring up a good point with how you know
there's probably fear and cougarnation of LJ and you know,
I mean, does he come back for tackles tech, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't delved into the situation. I haven't talked to you.
Speaker 3: Know, my people, or as Brandon Gurney would say, his people,
and if he is out for the rest of the season,
that's that's not that doesn't bode well for BYU. That's
not what you want to hear going into a big
time game on the road against a top fifteen opponent
and the game that's could determine and could knock you
out potentially of the big to tote him and everyone,
every game is a knockout game. No, no, no, there
are games of opponents at the top that if you
lose to this late in the season, it is more critical.
Speaker 1: This is not basketball.
Speaker 3: This is not March Madness where you get credit for
the entire season and if you lose later on, okay,
you can still be, you know, a projected top five
team in the bracket. No, you lose now this late
in the season, that affects your talads, especially with the
College Football Playoff Committee meeting next Tuesday, that affects everything.
Speaker 1: So you lose, it hurts way more.
Speaker 3: Actually, in college football, it's probably better that you're losing
non conference really in this season then you're losing conference
late in the season, because if you do.
Speaker 1: We have data of that. Look what happened last year?
Speaker 3: You lost to Kansas You lost to Arizona State, and
I want to sell you what to bed. You just
didn't execute down the stretch, and look what happened. You
were begging Kansas State, Hey, could you please take out
Matt Cambell and Iowa State And they said nada, nah,
and they went and then you were on outskirts looking
at Now, you smack Colorado in the ball game, you
gave Bilt the booty that was the real Big Twelve championship,
but you were on the outskirts looking in because of that.
Speaker 1: So what do you have to do Braydon to not
be in that situation again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I think I think losing the Tech obviously are undefeated,
because until or not, they're undefeated in that past.
Speaker 7: That's our prediction. But I think if you lose the Tech,
that's okay.
Speaker 9: I don't want to lose the Tech, but I think
just with with who they are and what the the
clout they're getting, still, I think losing your tech still
doesn't It doesn't hurt us in the in the voting
as long as we keep that game close.
Speaker 7: But any other game on the schedule, even Cincinnati.
Speaker 9: Depending what Cincinnati does this week with Utah, I think
we can lose win one game and still be a
great spot to go to the I think I think
if we just lose one more, we're in the Big
Twelve Championship game. And if we lose two more, depending
what what goes there, we're still there's a chance to
be in the Big Twelve Championship.
Speaker 7: But that's where you get really scary. So I think
I think we could drop one and be okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you dropped one, I think you could be
okay your thoughts?
Speaker 3: That sounds like from everything that's going on, Josiah Phillips
could make a return back at Texas Tech. If Josiah
were to come back for Texas Tech, how big would
that be for the b AU offense? Give bear another
weapon he's been out for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think getting Jojo back would be would be
huge for that just because I do think if if
Lj's out and we're gonna have to go past Sevvy,
I think teams are gonna drop back a little bit.
The thing is is, yes, LJ is so important to
the austin this offense, but if teams have to play
back because we have three weapons that are as good
as they are with with If Jojo you know, reaches
his potential and is ready to go full go on
hundred percent, then they have to play back and take
guys out of the box. And yes, that that befoes
well and helps some of our running backs, but also
Bear can pull it because you've got guys you know,
dropping back into coverage and bart and kN gets some yards.
Speaker 1: Living Grum.
Speaker 9: I don't think we want Bear to be a twenty
five carry a game guy, but he's shown he can
be durable through that right now, and if we have
to to get through the games until l J.
Speaker 7: Rcione or whoever it.
Speaker 9: Can get back, I think we can survive without him
if we have you know, the receivers those weapons.
Speaker 7: I think Jojo helps out in that way.
Speaker 10: Brandon, what's the belief level in the potential of Jojo
Phillips Because obviously we saw him have a couple of
bang bang plays last season and then this year. I
think he had three catches in though for those first
two games, so we haven't seen a lot.
Speaker 1: We know the potential is there.
Speaker 10: How much belief do you have that if Jojo comes
back that he makes a significant an impact on this offense.
Speaker 9: That's a great question. I think his potential is out
of this world. I think he might be one of
the higher potential players we've had. Not I'm not saying
the highest, but one of the higher potential players. Whether
he realizes that is something I have no idea if.
Speaker 7: He's gonna get there.
Speaker 9: I'm really hoping that that he takes that step from
last year where she showed flashed on that potential, but
it wasn't really proven yet. There was some times where
I feel like he could have made bigger efforts, like
I think that Airsonal State game, that that that throw
from Jake down the sideline still haunts me. Jakes thrown
a little better, but I really think, I really think
Jojo could have got there if you would have laid
out I just agree. So I'm still I'm still a
little sad about that one with Jojo.
Speaker 7: But I think the potential there.
Speaker 9: I mean, you think he's super super fast, uber athletic,
like pretty dang good hands like I think he has
really high potential. But I mean to answer your question
with a non answer, I have no idea if he'll
reach it. But I think his potential's out of this world.
Speaker 3: You're gonna need that potential or whatever he has in
the tank to help you if he goes next week
against sexist seg because I can promise you it is.
I guarantee Texas Tech is like, okay, even if LJ.
Martinus eighty five percent, we're not gonna let you run
the football, We're gonna throw it. And they got a
good defense similar to BYU's. They got some linebackers in
that room. This is the most expensive defensive line that's
been paid for in the Bichtevin You've seen it right now.
Speaker 1: They granted they did lose to Arizona.
Speaker 10: Stateles Jacob Rodriguez that the linebacker at the second level,
he projected to be the big tovivor player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's a problem.
Speaker 3: It's a problem. Those guys are gonna make plays. So
I just think this is I don't know what aroondics
game plan. Well, look, I mean he's game planning. He's
had every answer, just like Jay Hill. They've been able
to do They've been able to make the adjustments. And
when I say they haven't been stumped, I mean that
they haven't been beaten. Because a lot of people weron
Oklahoma game Oklahoma State game last year. I would say
the first that what I'm saying a boy that is
no one's been able to get it done yet. Kansas
and obviously Arizona State did last year. But I think
that was more Jake having a crucial turnover that cost
you in that game. I still feel like Jay Hill
executed and aerontic to a degree. I feel like Jake
just had moments where I'm like, I'm gonna put that
one more on you than this because I feel like
adjustments were made.
Speaker 1: Do you go to Jojo early in this game?
Speaker 3: Like, do you if you're gonna if you're gonna pass
the ball five times on your first opening drive, shop
three of those go to Jojo. Obviously you don't want
to overdo it, but I have to feel like there's
gonna be a lot of tension to Parker and Chase
rightfully so and what they've done.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, how early? Should you go to Jojo?
Early and often?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I think I think depends on who they're putting on
him cover wise, if they do go to man Is,
I think if you can get Jojo on the.
Speaker 7: Spot, where they're already keying the other two. Then you
go to Jojo early because of that.
Speaker 9: If they're not respecting Parker and Chase for at first,
I think you go to them and get them now
to start expecting it, and then you go to Jojo.
But if you feel like you can catch them off guard,
I think you go to Jojo early because they're expecting.
Speaker 7: It to go to the Parker or Chase.
Speaker 9: So and one comment you said about the last two
games last year that just popped into my head and
I thought this the other day, is we keep talking
about how we were nineteen and two in the last
twenty one games. But what we I don't think I've
seen is we're not just nineteen to two those two losses.
We had chances in the very end of those games,
like we're one play away from winning those games.
Speaker 7: We have blown out in two games.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're so true.
Speaker 10: Was saying that, like even in the games that like
they have, they haven't had a multi digit or a
two score loss, no, since I was state.
Speaker 3: Iowa State, Yeah, going back to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and not even just like losing by a touchdown though,
when you're in the last play like that Kansas game.
And I love myself Connor pay He's one of my
favorite people out there. But Connor fall started right down
on the last that fourth and seven or right before
we were fourth and two and Jake got up to
the line, he rushed it and I was in that
end zone that's where I sit, and Chase was uncovered.
And that's why Jake got so antsy trying to get
the playoffs. And when John Beck came into my store
a few months agoing over there, he said that on film,
like they both all of them talked about like that
was going to be a touchdown and they got so
excited that they that Connor snapped it, missnapped it and
it happened like that game. We win that game if
that happens, And so true, we're so close to being
unfeated the last couple of years, and so really this
team is just I mean, what a time to be
a Cougar fan.
Speaker 5: Love.
Speaker 3: I say this in basketball, and hopefully you don't get
mad at me and the listeners because it's still football
seven though basketballs are gonna start on Monday, November three.
Look the biggest you don't pay these players and You
don't go practice for the first quarter keeping up with
Iowa State.
Speaker 1: You do it for the second half.
Speaker 3: You do it for the most critical moments, the most
crucial moments like that fourth down or the Darius Lassiter
walk off touchdown, the Chase Roberts fourth and seven. That
is where these players in the careers and legacies are defined.
Or even games like the robbery, The biggest moments are
when those plays happens. So when you don't execute those
in those moments in your undefeated team or get a
good football team, that is what people look at and
what defines it in that regard. Sure you could say
they don't they shouldn't be in those moments. Absolutely, Chase
Roberts was right last year they should have blown teams
out by twenty thirty maybe even forty.
Speaker 1: I agree with that to a degree.
Speaker 3: But when you're replacing other Division one talent, you need
to execute in the biggest moments, and they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: And they have done that. So see what they do
against Texas Tech next week.
Speaker 3: Because to me, the national media is not going to
pick you even if college game Day goes down, and
I'll finish getting your thoughts on that even if college
game doesn't go to Texas Tech BYU down there in Lubbock,
I still feel like people are picking Texas Tech too
upset BA.
Speaker 1: You want to run It really shouldn't be an upset.
Speaker 3: Both of the teams are ranked, but I feel the
national media thinks that the Red Raiders are still the
team to be and Bau's gonna have to go in
there and do it. And I believe that's when BAU
will get its respect. Is if they beat Texas Tech
next week. How do you see that game turning out? Well,
I'll wait to asks corpordiction later because they're still a
week out, but College Game Day, do you feel college
game they will go back to back weeks at a
Big Toe school this week, at Cincinnati Utah next week.
Speaker 1: What do you think they'll be?
Speaker 9: I think looking at the other games that day, I
can't remember exactly which ones they are, but I think
we're still the best game that day. And I think
there's been some hints on different places that are leaning
towards coming to watch that game. I think it depends
on if if Tech loses to Kansas State, I think
that would be the only thing that could stop that happening.
But I think it's gonna happen, and I think it's
a good time for them to try and say that
they're not just the SEC TV, and so I think
I think they're gonna end up coming just as another way,
there's not a really huge game for anybody else. I
think there's one more game that's ranked, but they're not
ranked to size ours. So I think they'll end up
coming to to our game.
Speaker 7: And then I think it is.
Speaker 9: I think it's the game that's gonna We're gonna prove
ourselves if we're going. If we win that game, that's
where people start believing, because I think people still, even
after two seasons of winning a lot of close games,
they still just feel like somehow we're just lucky over
this many. I mean, after so much time with luck,
I think you'd finally start believing that it's maybe preparation,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: You're right, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: And I agree people still think that they're praying and
reading scriptures before, and they might do those things, but
that's not curtouting. They're not paying eleven percent hiding to
help them get these victories. That's my joke. I always say,
but I'm serious and in that regard. So you need
the Red Raiders to get a win this weekend. Don't
allow game day to go to Texas A and M Missouri.
Don't allow them to go to that matchup, or if
they went to Nordre Damon, who's number twelve and Navy.
I don't think that's about one either. I wouldn't mind
that they talk about Landscape. I think that'd be another
good one to go to. But Couger Nation wants to
see BA you gotta love it, can spoil it. So
you gotta beat Kansas State because I think it's easier
to beat the Red war Raiders coming off a win.
I don't think they would drop back to back games
if they lost to Kansas State this Saturday. But k
State looking to play spoiler. They look like Kansas of
last year where they might mess up a couple of people.
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