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Speaker 1: My opinion around here these days is laugh for while

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you can, monkey boy, ask not what your country can

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do for you, Ask what you can do for your country.

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Speaker 2: Mister gorbachaw tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: It's the Ricchet Podcast with Charles C. W. Cook and

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Stephen Hayward. I'm James Lillax. Today we're going to talk

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to Charlie Gasparino about his new book, Go Woke, Go Broke, on.

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Speaker 2: The inside story of the radicalization of Corporate America. So

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let's episodes a podcasting.

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Speaker 3: Grocery prices of skyrocketed.

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Speaker 4: Cereals are up twenty six percent, bread is up twenty

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four percent, butter is up thirty seven percent, maybe formulas

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up thirty percent, flowers up thirty eight percent, and eggs

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are up forty six percent, and many items are at

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much higher rates than that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast. Number seven oh

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who cares? Who cares what number it is? I mean,

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it's not like you can go back and say you

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said something at seven oh two that I believe was

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contradicted by a guest in number two hundred and four. Now,

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no what he's keeping drat Okay, it's seven four and

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We're very proud we have got this far. It's a

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rainy day here in Minneapolis. I'm joined by Stephen Hayward

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somewhere and Charles CW which does not stand for conventional

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Wisdom Cook, who I believe is still being the ultimate

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Florida man down there. The nation's waning, and you know, gentlemen,

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it's those who forget history are doomed to repeat, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But how about a good round of price controls on

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food that's worked out so.

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Speaker 2: Well everywhere it's tried.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of a VEEP presidential hopeful, Kamala

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Harris's proposal to do that?

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Speaker 2: And Hi, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: Well, all right, I'll go first, since I'm at Steve

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Hayward sitting in for Peter Robinson again. You know it's

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bad when even the Washington Post economics columnist Catherine Rampel says, well,

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her subhead is, it's hard to exaggerate how bad Mala

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Harris's price gouging proposal is. Yeah. I actually remember having

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done research years ago on Nixon's wage and price freeze

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from the nineteen seventy one and one of their problems

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was how do you enforce her set price controls on food?

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And one of the more comical elements was orange juice.

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The price of frozen orange juice wasn't defrozen, but oranges

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were not because they're seasonal, right, And so all became

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arbitrary and ridiculous. And I'm trying to remember there are

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a couple of other categories. I don't know, it was

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tomatoes or whatever, where they just it was chaos and

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you couldn't possibly make it work. So this is just

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an attempt to deflect blame for inflation that everyone's mad

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about and say it wasn't our fault, it was the

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fault of Albertson's and Kroger and Win Dixie or something

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like that.

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Speaker 5: Charles Well, I think that's right. I think that's primarily

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why she did it. It's a political ploy, not an

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economic ploy. She is aware that, despite how many attempts

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to sinuate otherwise, he is still called Harris, that Harris

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being the Harris of the Biden Harris administration. She is

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in the office of the Vice President as we speak,

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and massive overspending later inflation, and people are angry. So

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she wants to point at the mustachioed man from Monopoly

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and say he did it. That said, although I have

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been a leading exponent of this idea that this is

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a political ploy not an economic one, I do think

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it's incumbent upon voters to take it face value what

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candidates say they want to do, and not least because

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although he hasn't gone this far, Biden has been with the.

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Speaker 6: Federal Trade Commission doing.

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Speaker 5: Some of this stuff already, And there are people within

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the FTC who are very much in favor of this

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sort of thing. And once again, Harris has not mentioned Congress.

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This is a running trend. She never mentions Congress. Back

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in twenty nineteen, she said over and over and over

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again she could do anything without Congress, including gun control.

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Even she was going to ban the AAR fifteen without Congress.

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So when Jason Furman, Obama's economics friend, said this morning, Wow,

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this is a terrible idea. So it won't happen, Yeah,

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under our constitution lawder that's probably true. But if she's

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going to leverage the administrative state, which is already poised

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to try this sort of thing, then you should be

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worried about it. And I think she should pay a

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price for having proposed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's an epicycle to these things too.

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That comes up a lot here in California. When oil

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prices are high, the left says, oh, it's collusion, price

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gouging by the oil companies and the refiners. Let's investigate.

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and gasoline and so forth for forty or fifty years now,

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and they always come up empty because it's wrong. But

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then the other side of the mouth, they say, we

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should have higher tax on gasoline to discourage consumption. Well,

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which is it. It's actually an easy lesson. The left

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is only happy when high gasoline prices are because of

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taxes and not because of market forces. And the same

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thing's happening now on groceries. And you're right, though, Charlie,

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I mean again an old story. When the Reagan people

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came into office in nineteen eighty one, they found the

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Federal Trade Commission had an open investigation not of my

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dog marking in the background, but of the serial company,

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you know, Kellogg and Posts. And the argument was they

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were monopolizing shelf space in grocery stores and that had

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to be stopped. And the Reagan, people scratched their head

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and said, go away, this is stupid, which of course

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Speaker 5: If I could just very very briefly out another cycle

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to that which has amused me enormously, that is that

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when prices go up when a Democrat's president, it's price gouging. Apparently,

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big companies don't price gouge under Republicans. You think they

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would be more likely to do that because evil Republicans

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love corporations, but they price goug when Democrats come in.

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because of the president. So we've seen the most hilarious

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trend under Biden where prices are gone and he would

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say this is outrageous collusion from the supermarkets and the

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meat producers. And then he would go down and he

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would say, happy Thanksgiving, Joe Biden wishes to tell you

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that your potato is a less than they would have

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been last year.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, how do you think that this Let's say

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she gets elected president and she does she decides to

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go around Congress to do this. How do you possibly

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think that would manifest itself as an executive order that

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would say what because I know that this is just

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thrown out there for as you said, for political means,

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but it is revelatory of what somebody wants to do

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and thinks they can do. How would she possibly keep

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the grocery stores profit margins within an acceptable amount for

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her executive order saying.

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Speaker 3: What, well, I think Charlie put his finger on it.

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That'll use things like the Federal Trade Commission to harass

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big business and the grocery Chaine and so, I mean

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they aren't The Justice Department is trying to block a

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big grocery store merger right now. I think it's I

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forget it's Albertson's and somebody. It might be Kroger, I

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can't remember, but they'll do that kind of thing. And

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you know that that always has some effect. But what

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the effects that we will see as consumers are shortages

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hoarding black markets pop up. It's the old story, especially

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with supermarkets and low margin items, is that's why you

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run out of toilet paper when there's price controls.

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Speaker 5: For example, I mean, the profit margin for supermarkets in

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the United States is about one point one eight percent,

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it's the latest figure. One point just very low relative

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to most American businesses. That's lower even than health insurance,

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which always get told that they're making gobs of money,

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which they're not. One point eight percent. So the actual

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capacity of the Federal Trade Commission to do anything here

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is limited, and as Steve says, the product of that

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will not be a change in profit margins, but shortages.

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But that doesn't mean that the attempt won't be extremely difficult.

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I mean, it's a bit like being sued. Even if

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you're right on the law. You could be one hundred

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percent right on the law, but if somebody decides to

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make your life hell, the process becomes the punishment, and

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you end up having to spend all your time.

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Speaker 6: Complying with this or that and paying lawyers and frankly

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just worrying at night.

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Speaker 5: And I think you know, if indeed I am right,

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which I am sometimes, and this is a political rather

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than an economic thing, then that sort of harassment will

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be more likely, not less, because she'll want to point

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to it and say, look at all of the stuff

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that I'm doing. I'm an outsider, I didn't have anything

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to do with this. I'm trying to stop it, and

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that will make it worse for publics, not less.

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Speaker 1: People don't understand the percentage of the American workforce that

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it is involved in compliance. It tells you something about

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the reach and the power of the regulatory state when

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you have so many, when you have entire departments as

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companies engaged in compliance, the name of which just sounds

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as if we're in a state of constant servitude with

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our heads bent and arms manacled. But you're right about

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the profit margins, Charlie. They are absolutely thin. And how

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do they make their money then.

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Speaker 2: Well, with really highjacked up stuff that people pay for.

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Speaker 1: I mean the profit margins on ready to eat meals.

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You walk into the store and you see a sandwich

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for twelve dollars, you see an entree for fourteen or something,

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and people pick it up because they can and it's

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convenient and the.

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Speaker 2: Rest of it. And that's where the profit really comes from.

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Because the margins are so huge, Is that in itself gouging?

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Speaker 1: Are we to have the never blinking eye of the

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pentopticon fall upon the deli meat section and called their

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margins too fat? If it all ends with people, as

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you said, a black market, people in going to an

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alleyway some or where somebody sells them a plastic baggy

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full of Captain crunch. That is not exactly the America

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I signed on for. Then again, I'm speaking as one

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of those people who owns a house and isn't troubled

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by the market today, which is very expensive and bad

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for first time homeowners. I think the best way to

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stabilize the homeownership market, get more people in, and bring

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the price down is to give everybody twenty five thousand

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dollars if they're buying a house.

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Speaker 2: Some say ridiculously that that would just mean that twenty

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five thousand dollars would be tacked under the price. I

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don't understand this.

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Speaker 1: Thing called echoonomics, but that's what they say. Is this

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another serious proposal or is it just another bit of

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political grand standing?

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Speaker 2: And I think we know the answer to that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, wage and price controls are one thing, but

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proposing this kind of substy for housing really does remind

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us once again how economically illiterate leading Democrats have become.

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I mean, one of the reasons, in fact, one of

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the main reasons thatigher education costs have risen I think

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at twice the rate of healthcare is the government subsidizing

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student loans, having lots of grants and the colleges are

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even though they're nonprofit quote unquote institutions, they capture those

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subsidies in higher prices and can get away with it.

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And why you would think that wouldn't happen in housing

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is beyond me. And you know, the rent control proposal

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is also that Biden has already floated and Harris is

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doubling down on, will have the same effect on rents.

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It's just gonna raise prices or raise rents.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what remind me again with the

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rent control proposal is because we've had it here.

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Speaker 2: In the Twin Cities and it has been disastrous.

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Speaker 1: They put a I mean they captained at three percent

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or something like that over the course of X number

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of years, and what it meant was that just about

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everybody who's going to build something said, nah, no, I'm

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not gonna do that. I'm I'm gonna go build it

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over here across the border from your tout.

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Speaker 2: It never works.

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Speaker 1: But are they remind me again, because I've had a

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busy week and I have been able to follow every little.

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Speaker 2: Detail of rent controlled national rent control laws well as I.

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Speaker 3: Understand that the Biden proposal was to apply this to

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large corporate owners of multi family housing, so that would

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be you know, your large apartment reads like avalon Bay

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and people like that. But also supposedly hedge funds have

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been buying a lot of residential property, both single family

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homes and apartments, and so they want to gouge the

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big guy. But eventually that's going to trickle down to

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the little guy. It just has to, because it seems

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which they have been in places that have rent control,

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some in Minneapolis who are been saying I never thought

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with housing is we over regulate land use and building

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too much. And there's actually so of this left wing

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and they actually say pretty sensible things along with a

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lot of nonsense about you know, segregation and redlining and

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stuff like that. But you would think that this would

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national level, but so far not much progress on that front.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is this has cracked me out. It's like,

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you know, you have someone who's a heroin addict, and

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he's like, it's causing me all sorts of problems being

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a heroin addict. I'm I'm late for work and I

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can't remember to do stuff and my work's really low quality.

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about that? And they go, I've seen you getting up earlier. Well,

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this is certainly one option. Well, okay, any other ideas well?

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I was Thineking of setting alarms that tell me to

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do my stuff. You know, I'm going to take some nanacs.

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Speaker 6: Like it's it's.

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Speaker 5: Obviously a complicated issue, but one of the core problems

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with housing in the United States is that it is

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so regulated, especially in places like California, and union rules

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and environmental rules make it so difficult to build at

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cheap prices that people are struggling to get into the market,

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and the fact that the inflation that we cause led

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to high interest rates has not helped people get into

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that market either. And the one thing I mean, she

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thing she can think of is give people money. On

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the demand side, you can't see, you can't see all

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of the stuff that everyone's been talking about.

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Speaker 6: You want to give people money on them.

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Speaker 5: It's just astonishing, totally inability to see the problem.

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Speaker 1: Well, at this point, of course, everybody in her side

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are saying, well, what about Trump and troosts, And that's

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another versation. We can have all of these conversations, but

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at the moment we have our guest, and our guests.

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Speaker 2: Popped up and we're glad that he did.

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Speaker 1: It's Charlie Gasperino, senior correspondent for Fox Business, also columnist

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for The New York Post and an author, most recently

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of Goo Go Broke, The Inside Story of the Radicalization

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of Corporate America.

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Speaker 2: Charlie, thanks for joining us today. Charlie.

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Speaker 1: I know that this is a this is a nation

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that has many problems that afflict it, many deep societal

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problems that were eager and keen to grasp with some

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of them.

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Speaker 2: Some of them we are too painful and we turn away.

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Speaker 1: But I know that when I want guidance in where

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the soul of America should be headed, I look to

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tractor companies and motorcycle makers. So let's talk about the company,

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the ones that I just mentioned, for example, the problems

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that they face may not be.

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Speaker 2: Instantly knowable to the people who aren't on Twitter and

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the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: But Harley Davidson is the most recent company for people

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to look at them and say, wait a minute, iconic

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American brand, symbol of the open road, the throaty engine, roar,

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the smell of the gas, the great American icon, and

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they're they're lecturing us about the need to reinvent capitalism.

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Speaker 7: Sadly, they're not alone.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, one of the things in my

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book that I point out is just you know, how stupid,

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just just how pervasive wokeness is at companies. And now

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you would think corporate America is a right wing pursuit

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right capitalism. Uh, it is within the confines of wokeness.

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At least lately. I mean, all these companies have evolved

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into sort of messaging the the cultural dynamics of the left.

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I explain this, but you read the book and you'll

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both get a laugh out of it, because watching corporations

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do stupid woke stuff is really fucking funny.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's a New York Post.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned New York. It absolutely is. It is.

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Speaker 1: It's amusing and its cluelessness and their and their inability

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to read the room and the rest of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go down.

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Speaker 1: Let's go down some of the examples you talk about

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in your book, and then let's also get to the

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important question, do they really go broke? I mean, Disney

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still trading, Harley still selling cycles, that farm supply guys.

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Speaker 2: You know, they may have taken a little hit, but

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they're going to be still around.

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Speaker 1: Do they really first example, your favorite example of a

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company that went woke for no good reason at all.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's gotta be Budweiser. Well, you know, it's it's

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a brand. Budweiser is a brand in the people. The

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Anheuser Bush owns Budweiser. It's it doesn't. It's sold that

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two thousand and nine, I go through the buyout. The

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Bush family became very rich by selling it for billions

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of dollars to a company called ab Imbev, which is

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essentially a bunch of Brazilians and uh and uh and

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Belgian you know, the businessmen very Davos who bought the

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brand and uh. And you know, that's where you could

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trace the increasingly sort of progressive branding of Budweiser and

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there and other brands to that purchase. And you know,

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it reached its sort of high or low part point

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with the Dilla mulvaney trans woman in a bubble bath

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drinking a bud light you know, yeah, which, yes, did happen,

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but I, you know, sort of that to me was

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the most infuriating and the funniest and also it just

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really captured you know, why this is this this occurred.

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Speaker 7: And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 8: I you know, I covered this when it went down

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in twenty twenty three, and the company tried to blame

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it on you know, a couple of misfits in the

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marketing department, and as I found out, it was much

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more than that. It was literally those misfits in the

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marketing department. First of all, if it weren't such misfits,

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were actually good marketers. But they were under some pretty

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strict sidelines too, to impose DEI diversity equity and inclusion

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in various parts of the branding of their of their beer,

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including the use of influencers. So what happened was they

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want they abm that was increasingly going there. It wanted

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to include in its you know, in its DEI mandates

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for influencers. Uh, trans you know, the trans community essentially

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as part of that DEI mandate.

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Speaker 3: And if you're going to go to the.

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Speaker 8: Trans community to sell beer, you know, Dil mulvaney becomes

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like someone that you go to even though the company

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like sits there and says, oh, we've never heard of

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this person before. I mean, Dil Molvaney is a famous transactivist.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 8: She interviewed Joe Biden before the before those ads hit,

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and you know, and and it became sort of a

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cultural touch touchstone, the whole the whole Budweiser lap or

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bud Light flap. She chronicled on Twitter or on Facebook

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and Instagram and TikTok her three hundred and sixty four

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days of Man of becoming.

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Speaker 3: A woman girl.

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Speaker 2: No, it's called being a girl.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it was really and and by the

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way she did doing it was pretty off brand if

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you did any research into her, her brand was bizarre

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because it was so activist. I mean, no, I listen,

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I have trans friends, no problem with people that want

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to go there, and that's your business. I have a

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problem with proseetizing, obviously, but you know, you could make

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a case that you might have proselytized kids. There was

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a Ted Cruz told me, and it's in the book

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the Senator from Texas about how she had some did

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some skit on on Instagram or TikTok about her name

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being Eloise and she's six and she's dancing around. I mean,

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it's it's I mean, it's just it's bizarre that that

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Budweiser go there. But if you know d you understand

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why they went there. And that's part of the whole

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corporate woke movement. Now when I say go woke, go broke, listen,

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I mean, obviously I'm not prone to exaggeration here, but listen,

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there is a there is a brokeness to this. Budweiser

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went from the number three brand, number one brand to

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number three best selling beer brand. Disney Stock has not

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moved since now since twenty fourteen. You know that I

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can go down on the line. Target took a hit

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to its bottom line. You know, we can go on

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and on, and you know, I don't think this stuff sells.

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I mean, I don't think my book Bruce doesn't sell

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Speaker 7: That you wonder why they go there.

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Speaker 8: But then you have to kind of get a handle

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on the woke ecosystem, which I tried to get my

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hands around.

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Speaker 3: So, Charles, it's Steve Hayward out in California, and I

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want to I wanted to take us back to the

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very beginning a little bit of how this happened. What

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were the invade routes. I've had two theories about this

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that are complementary, but I've only really worked on ones.

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bad that our universities are so left and into identity politics.

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it's no big deal. But it broke out of the

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confines of the campus and found its way into the

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corporate boardrooms. Starting My point is the Silicon Valley fifteen

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years ago, and I think it's the HR departments are

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large part of it, because if you've got a degree

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in gender studies, you can't actually do anything in a

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real business, but you can go in the HR department

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and the new DEI Department, which it's one thing to

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have an HR department that's trying to advance civil rights

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and affirmative action and all those problems. Right the DEI people,

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what do they do there? Just exists to make trouble.

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And I haven't gotten into your book very far yet,

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but I'll bet you've got lots of stories. And I

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keep hearing stories of DEI offices that tie units of

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companies in knots with their MAOIs struggle sessions over and

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what statements they should put out and tyway. And then

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I think the big business lobbies at the other end

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of this world economic forum also put pressure. Oh and

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CEO wives I think are a big problem. I don't

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know if you get to that or not. But how

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did this happen? Take us from the top?

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Speaker 8: For us, well, I did trace how it happened. Again,

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this is not a history book, but history is important.

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Here in my view, listen, like all cultural revolutions, that

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happened slowly at first, and then you know, you know,

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so I traced, I tried to trace. When was the

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first time I've heard of ESG. You know, that's a

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key plank bokeness, environmental social governance investing. The first time

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I saw it was in you know, when I went

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back in my in databases, was nineteen ninety five. Now, coincidentally,

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in nineteen ninety five, I was hired as a reporter

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for the Wall Street Journal. I spent nine years there

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and covering corporate scams and you name it, all the

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stuf uff that and the reporters do at the Wall

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Street Journal. And I noticed at the time I was

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covering mutual funds, and in nineteen ninety five there was

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this sort of sort of small but kind of growing

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movement of social responsible investing.

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Speaker 7: And it wasn't like quite a thing.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, when I got hired at the Journal,

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you know, I got offered the job. Today Netscape went public,

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and I don't know if you remember Netscape, it was

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like the first browser, right and at the time the IPO.

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Speaker 7: So, you know, I spent a.

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Speaker 8: Lot of time initially covering you know, these you know

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tech funds that were blowing up, people were getting involved

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in dot com stuff. But there was this sort of

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side business over here about social responsible investing, and I

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remember stuff like the Dominie Index that would bring company

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mutual funds under social responsibility. So it started to grow

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out of that. Now you know, why wasn't it just

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ignored and thrown to the side. Well, there's a lot

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00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,319
of there's a lot of factors because of that. Okay,

474
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,319
So you there's a group think on in corporate America.

475
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,880
There's no doubt about them. Right, So part of the

476
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,880
group think gets together in Davos, and like all bad ideas,

477
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,359
you know, I find that all bad ideas begin at

478
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,799
the UN, all bad court company ideas, and most ideas

479
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,640
begin at the UN and maybe Davos, right, Yeah, it

480
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,000
all starts inculcating these sort of classrooms of of influencer

481
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,559
professors like Jeff the jeff Sonomfeld to the world at

482
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,039
Yell where you know, progressive corporate responsibility become a huge thing,

483
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:47,200
and and corporate responsibility was defined broadly in terms of

484
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,720
your left wing policies in the boardroom.

485
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,079
Speaker 2: Right, what?

486
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,559
Speaker 3: Right? Well, I remember Charles that around two thousand, what

487
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,240
caught on for a while before ESG solidified was you

488
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,960
may remember this too. It was the triple bottom line.

489
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,720
There's some profit people and planet. It's the same thing

490
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,799
as the SG and the name changed. And you do

491
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,799
pick up on one thing I think is quite important,

492
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,759
and I think more should we said about this. You

493
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,720
quite rightly single out the people who call themselves stakeholders.

494
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,640
This has been around for a while, but you know, shareholders,

495
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,640
We understand that there are people with skin in the game.

496
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480
They bought the stock. Who is a stakeholder? And how

497
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,000
do you become one? It seems very sinister to me.

498
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:27,119
But give us your take on.

499
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 7: That, well, stakeholders.

500
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 8: You know, the whole notion of stakeholder capitalism started to

501
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,480
seep in around the time that you mentioned two thousands.

502
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,960
You know about that where we actually, you know, live

503
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,839
in a global community. It's and and CEOs need to

504
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,279
think more holistically, not in the Milton Friedman fashion of

505
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,039
shareholder capitalism. And I think the two thousand and eight

506
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,640
financial crisis took in another step further. I mean, you

507
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,599
did have congressional pressure on companies, the emergence of Elizabeth

508
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,200
Warren at a powerful leftist progressive force in the US

509
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,799
and others. And then you had business caving into it.

510
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,039
And I think two thousand and eight was one way

511
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,359
to cave into it. You know, it was what because

512
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,440
remember what happened with big business. There was massive government bailouts.

513
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,799
You had a wicked sort of backlash, populous backlash of

514
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,759
tea partiers, but mostly Occupy Wall Street, which was you know,

515
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,279
just you know, galvanizing cities. And these CEOs started to like,

516
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,240
you know, essentially virtue signal to buy to buy themselves

517
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,319
covered from from the left, the populous, you know sort

518
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,160
of revolt that.

519
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,759
Speaker 7: Was going on.

520
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 8: And there was something interesting that happened in twenty eighteen

521
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,640
or twenty nineteen, I can't quite remember. They was twenty

522
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,960
eighteen is when the Business Roundtable, which is the business

523
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,039
lobby group, right, it's where the one hundred top CEOs

524
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,119
you know, essentially set the agenda for or public companies.

525
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,000
The Fendistry did Milton Friedman and shareholder capitalism for stakeholder

526
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,319
capitalism where you are we think more broadly, and that

527
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,799
was Jamie Diamond of all people, the great banker at

528
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,680
JP Morgan, who actually turns out to be kind of woke.

529
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,200
I mean, it's a funny scene in my book, you know,

530
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,960
during the George Floyd, by the way, the George Floyd,

531
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:23,000
and this just shows you how absurd it is. A

532
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,920
cop kills maybe accidentally, probably accidentally, but whether he used

533
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,720
brute force too much forces a matter of contention, a

534
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:35,079
guy that was trying to pass a counterfeit check in

535
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,759
a convenience store in Minneapolis. That's George Floyd. The guy

536
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,720
has spent it all in the system and he resisted

537
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:43,359
the rest. Now I'm not saying he deserves the death penalty,

538
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,480
far from it, but you know, in that struggle, he dies,

539
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,440
but that death sparked these riots and all this sort

540
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,079
of It was like a weird, woke, come to Jesus

541
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,079
moment for every corporate ceo, like they need. It was

542
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:04,720
so absurd that Jamie Diamond, Brian moynihan, a Bank of America.

543
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:06,519
I go down the list all of them that virtue

544
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,960
signals about this, you know, use that example that the

545
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,880
country isthmically racist in need of change, and they did,

546
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,839
and like, how does people how do people that are like,

547
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,759
supposedly smart Jamie Dimond, graduate from Harvard Business School, runs

548
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:23,279
a big bank.

549
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: He's not.

550
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 8: He's very smart. How do these people go there? Because

551
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,240
it's actually quite stupid if you think about it. My

552
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160
conclusion in the book is they did that for for

553
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,240
virtue signaling reasons, to gain good publicity, to get higher

554
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,000
because there is a corporate woke ecosystem that's developed. The

555
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,839
Human Rights Campaign grades businesses and it does have impact.

556
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,920
ESG is now catching on in twenty twenty, and the

557
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,839
G and ESG and the the S and ESG is

558
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,480
very much about social justice. And so Jamie Dimond, so

559
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,160
Brian moynihan, a Bank of America, doesn't you know, tells

560
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,160
all his direct reports to read the collective works of

561
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,039
Roger Chetty. I don't know if you know that name.

562
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:05,799
That's a yeah, that's an.

563
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 7: Economist that at very progressive.

564
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 8: And then he says we're going to start at one

565
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,720
point five billion dollar fund for you know, for racial equity, right,

566
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,160
and everybody's like, well, how we're going to hand out money?

567
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,119
I just get it to the communities fast, so they're

568
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,640
just low interest loans. Jamie Diamond reads that and says

569
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,839
we're going to do bigger one, We're going to do

570
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,160
thirty five billion.

571
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 7: Dollars and he does it. You know, so I raised

572
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,480
with them. Okay, so are you telling me that George

573
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,319
Floyd had a low interest loan.

574
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: That day?

575
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 8: And Neil and their answers, I meant, I put their

576
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,680
answers in the book. It's stupid, you know. And what's

577
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,680
also interesting about this is like Jamie Diamond and you

578
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,759
know at the time, was was he went to visit

579
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,359
a branch because remember this was during the COVID lockdowns.

580
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,960
He went to visit a JP Morgan branch at Mount Kisso,

581
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:00,599
New York, and he was in the took a picture

582
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,079
of him taking a knee and it like went viral

583
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,799
and we all asked, you know, it was like a

584
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,519
group picture, and we all asked, We said, you know,

585
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920
he is he like, now, you know, a social justice warrior?

586
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,039
And they were like, well, you can write whatever you want.

587
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,039
You know, we're not going to call you know, So

588
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:20,240
they had no problem letting let you know that that

589
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,680
impression for four years. So when I went back and

590
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,240
I checked and this is in the book, I said, yeah,

591
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,079
I'm just saying, oh, I'm gonna write about this, and

592
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,559
the pr people at JP Morgan were like, oh no, no,

593
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Jamie didn't take it. Just wanted to make it clear

594
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,119
Jamie is not a BLM supporter. He took a knee

595
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,440
merely to fit in the photo because he was didn't

596
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,319
want to obstruct the people behind him. And I said,

597
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,319
that's so stupid. Why'd you wait four years to tell

598
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:44,720
me that?

599
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,119
Speaker 5: Well, I just had a question for you child's cook care.

600
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,279
Speaker 6: So how do we fight this?

601
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 5: Because there's a paradox in that you're right to identify

602
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,920
a host of examples of where companies that have gone

603
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,319
work have suffered to some extent, and yet it's still spread.

604
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,000
I mean, there's still an ecosystem that in some sense

605
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:10,799
seems to be impervious to outside influence. And in so

606
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:17,119
far as the examples you've given are of a diminished

607
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,079
fortune for a company that's gone work, they're not going

608
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,640
under right, I mean, Disney, it still exists. It's flatlining

609
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200
in the stock market, you're right, and the movies aren't

610
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,559
doing so well with one exception. So if you're a

611
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:36,000
consumer and you can't do what was done to Budweiser

612
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,279
with the Dylan Malvanian nonsense. How do we fight this

613
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:42,359
so that it goes away because its influences pernicious.

614
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,119
Speaker 3: You know.

615
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 8: One of the things I noticed about the Target situation,

616
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,400
which is kind of interesting, is that for many years

617
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,640
Target would have these very sort of expansive.

618
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 7: Pride Month celebrations, right and.

619
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 8: The they do it, and there was there was increasingly

620
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,119
there was stuff on social media about like parents being

621
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,160
outraged and you know, I'm taking my kid to the Target,

622
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
and you know, I see this and that, and you know,

623
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,279
I don't I just want to shop there. I want

624
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,240
to know, I want to get diapers, so to speak,

625
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,599
you know, which is why you can shop at Target,

626
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,000
right right, So you want you know, good good, you

627
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:27,039
want some quality at a low price. They reached a

628
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,759
tipping point in twenty twenty three, when you know, woke

629
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,920
reached it's I guess a potheosis that the best way

630
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,279
to put it. All the stuff's happened in twenty twenty

631
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:40,519
three where you know, people had enough and literally people

632
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:44,480
took to social media and the company was totally caught

633
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:48,480
off guard to just sort of do what the press

634
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,920
would most of the press wouldn't do. The media wouldn't

635
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,440
do and just report about what was going on inside

636
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,720
the store, which was at another level, literally rainbow colored

637
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,799
ones I mean, first off that the probably it wasn't

638
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,920
just I have just you know, I have no problem

639
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,119
with pride display. I you know, I don't and I

640
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,519
don't have kids, So that's a whole other story. But

641
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,280
if I go to a Target and I see a

642
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,559
pride display, I will walk by it and it probably

643
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,239
might not even register with me, but it does with

644
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,199
a lot of a lot of Middle America American people.

645
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,079
When they see a rainbow colored onesie next to a

646
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,840
tuck friendly bathing suit for men who haven't transitioned, next

647
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,760
to a row of books about you know, children transitioning,

648
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,760
that rubs them the wrong way. There's a cultural there

649
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,639
is a cultural they're proselytizing the cultural change that most

650
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:45,039
people hate. And they took to social media and guess

651
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,000
what happened. Target backed off it. Budweiser backed off it.

652
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,960
Now here's the funniest thing with Budweiser. Because I did

653
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,719
a lot of reporting on this, they tried to blame

654
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,000
it on the the you know, the poor the two guys,

655
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,239
the two people in the marketing department, which it's much

656
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,000
more than that. But if you want to know how

657
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,960
absurd the overreaction in Budweiser is right now, So they

658
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,559
go from Dyla mo'vaney drinking Budweiser half naked in a

659
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,599
bubble bath, right, and there were social media spots now there.

660
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Now they cut some massive deal. They actually paid up

661
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,599
wickedly for it with the UFC, right, the Dana White,

662
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:25,000
the very unwoke Data White, very unwoke you know, cage

663
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,519
match boxing, right, guys ripping their head off, the bud wise,

664
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,159
the antis of Bushes, the main sponsor that as part

665
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:36,440
of that, they're thinking about one of the antiser Bush

666
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,719
brands is thinking about partnering with one of Dana's other

667
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,840
side hustles he's doing right now, which is called power Slap.

668
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,920
That's literally two big guys slapping each other in the

669
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,199
face until one falls. Now, think about that. The guys

670
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:56,199
that brought you Dyla movaney a year ago, almost a

671
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,480
little more than a year ago, is now are now

672
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,800
back and now supporting or promoting and sponsoring something where

673
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:07,800
two lunatic guys smash each other in the face. That's

674
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,039
how bad their brand has been damaged and how They're

675
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,840
to put them Genie back in the bottle. And that's

676
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,119
how much the consumer backlash did work. Now you're never

677
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:20,719
going to put companies. Putting companies out of business is

678
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,760
very difficult. As someone who's covered business for years. I mean,

679
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,320
you know, you know, Lehman Brothers, Bearsterns, you know that

680
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239
sort of stuff. I broke a lot of stories. Dart

681
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,920
a financial crisis. There's a whole bunch of reasons why

682
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:33,440
that happens.

683
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 7: You know.

684
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 8: I don't think Budweiser is going, you know, necessarily going

685
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,719
to go out of business tomorrow, but slowly but surely they.

686
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 7: Are losing a lot of money.

687
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 8: Disney stock, the fact that its stock hasn't moved since

688
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,559
twenty fourteen will tell you something.

689
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Disney's getting hammered for what it did to Star Wars.

690
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Target is getting hammered for what you said exactly. I'm

691
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,159
here in Minneatolis so I was here during George Flood's

692
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,360
still here, and the Target headquarters I can see it

693
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,360
up my window if I crane minex so I'm in

694
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,519
the epicenter of all this. You're absolutely right about what

695
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,880
tapped to Target. For years, they had pride displays and

696
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,000
nobody really cared. Suburban moms didn't care, you know, they'd

697
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:13,880
go in, they'd see it, they'd wave whatever. But it

698
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,639
was when they went specifically, really heavily lean into the

699
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,320
trans stuff that the moms who shop at Target all

700
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,559
of a sudden reared up and it became known on

701
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,599
social media and elsewhere that one of the artists with

702
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,039
whom they had partnered, who sold stuff in the Target

703
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:32,239
website was actually, you know, a Satanist, which is you know,

704
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,679
tiresome and had was giving little buttons that had Satan

705
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,039
all respect your pronouns, that had a guillotine for the turfs.

706
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,880
Target completely completely misread the fact that when this got out,

707
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,880
the moms who would just absolutely who would show up

708
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,800
at the Pride parade when I went down the suburban street,

709
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,639
would look at this and say, wait a minute, hold on,

710
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:57,159
hold on too far. And I don't think that any

711
00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,679
of them have come back in the same way because

712
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,320
I used shop at Target all the time, and now

713
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,239
on the back of my head.

714
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: I hate to use the word, but they're just weird.

715
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,360
The whole feeling I get about the place. Is it

716
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,880
just that they did that and they're just you know,

717
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,719
they're weird and they got their options.

718
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: But you're right, they do come back and they try

719
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,440
to tell us that they're not that anymore. As if

720
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,440
I see Kid Rock blowing up some you know, some

721
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,800
cans of beer of the competitor with a shotgun and

722
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,719
then saying I'm a bud Light guy myself, Like I'm

723
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,719
going to just robotically turned towards them again and say

724
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,679
all this forgiven. No, we all remember, it's going to

725
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,239
take so long for budd Light to come back. It's

726
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,559
going to take so long for Disney to regain the

727
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,119
trust that they've lost amongst the Pontes.

728
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 7: What problems bud Light has is that it's kind of

729
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,679
a shitty beer.

730
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: You know, that's part of the problem there too.

731
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:48,599
Speaker 8: Yes to go to keg parties and buy bud because

732
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:50,800
it was like you know, Spuds McKenzie and everything. I mean,

733
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,920
it was that was in my head. You know, I

734
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,039
don't like if I'm going to drink a beer, I'm

735
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,079
not going to drink bud. It doesn't taste very good.

736
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,400
But you know, so if there was an image that

737
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,039
bud you know, it just gives you an impression. If

738
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:06,239
you really get into buttet which I did. There's this

739
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,159
amazing add they did with the Clydesdales right after nine

740
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:13,679
to eleven, right where the Whitsdales walk up in a

741
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,280
field and you see the twin towers and then you

742
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,599
see them gone and then Clydesdale's take a knee and

743
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,960
I still get shivers like watching that ad. It was

744
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,519
a just amazing As someone who worked listen, I was

745
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,039
two minutes. I worked at the Wall Street Journal at

746
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,119
the time. We were across the street from the Trade Center.

747
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,679
You know, I remember that day very well. I mean

748
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,119
I was I was at a doctor's appointment, like five

749
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,440
blocks uptown, so I saw the whole thing unfold.

750
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 3: You know.

751
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,159
Speaker 8: That was chilling and just and you go from that

752
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,800
to dyl mulvaney, and I think that will.

753
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 7: Tell you, you.

754
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 8: Know why so many people who revolted and we'll still

755
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:54,639
revolt now.

756
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: And it tells you about the shape of the overculture.

757
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:59,679
Speaker 1: Charlie, we gotta, we gotta get out here and U

758
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:01,679
but we got to tell people to buy your book,

759
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,400
which is Go Woke, Go Broke, the inside Story the

760
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,280
Radicalization of Corporate America. And I hope there's a second

761
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,400
edition and it has some addendum at the back that

762
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,599
tells us more because it's not over.

763
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,159
Speaker 2: It's not done. It's still going to ripple through our

764
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,960
through business.

765
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: For a while.

766
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: But thank you for joining us today. It's been a pleasure,

767
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,800
my pleasure.

768
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 7: Thank you guys.

769
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: Bye bye. The Yeah, it's going to keep on going.

770
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:29,119
Speaker 1: You know what I find interesting is we were talking

771
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,760
before about Charlie was talking all we're talking about how

772
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,159
they don't sometimes realize that what they believe to be

773
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,239
the absolute proper way to think is actually no, the

774
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,559
luxury beliefs of an overclass that are not.

775
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,079
Speaker 2: Shared by everybody else. And I find this most notable

776
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:48,199
in the media, where there are words.

777
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,519
Speaker 1: That do not have quotation marks around them all the

778
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,719
time the meaning is accepted. Climate change is one of them.

779
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,400
I mean, it's indisputable that it's happening. Equity is another

780
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:59,639
equity has replaced equality. You guys notice that that whenever

781
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:03,320
somebody talks about equity, it's an automatic, positive good, and

782
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,480
nobody seems to.

783
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.

784
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 1: All I know is that if you want to feel

785
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,960
as good tomorrow as you did the day before when

786
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,920
you wake up, and that's a form of equity, isn't

787
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,320
it equality or something like that. We got to be

788
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,920
careful about how you actually do your party.

789
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: Yang. Okay, let me tell you this.

790
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Speaker 1: If you want tomorrow's morning to be as good as

791
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,679
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792
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805
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806
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807
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Speaker 2: Well, gentlemen, we have a few minutes here before we

824
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,719
wrap up. Ah, I've been asked.

825
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: To mention the Ricochet Fantasy Football League. And as much

826
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,159
as I do love football, I don't do the fantasy

827
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,280
football thing. I don't even know where I would start.

828
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,719
I don't need that in my head. I don't need

829
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,039
to worry about it. I don't need another way to lose.

830
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: As a Minnesota Vikings fan. Shall we say, but Charles,

831
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,840
of course you are a great football guy. What is

832
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,679
this Ricochet Fantasy football thing about?

833
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: I love fantasy football. In fact, I won my family

834
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,519
league last year, which means I expect to do really

835
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:37,079
badly in the Ricochet Fantasy Football League. Not that I

836
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,519
will be included as eligible for the prizes, but I

837
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,159
will be taking part, and you too can take part,

838
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,639
providing that you are a member of Ricochet. It is

839
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:52,480
a member's only fantasy football league. I think we had

840
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,159
a post up on it last night. And as far

841
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,559
as I understand, the idea is to get as many

842
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,880
leagues together as Sweeney and I think that's probably a

843
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:03,840
limit on how big each one can be. But we

844
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,360
can have five or six of them, we can have

845
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,719
divisions and then at the end of the whole thing

846
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,159
to hand out prizes. Now, am I right in saying

847
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:12,920
Steve you're going to be involved in this too?

848
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: I am. You know, I've never really understood or participated

849
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,239
in the fantasy baseball or football leagues, but I want

850
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,239
to learn about it. And you know this sounds like fun,

851
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
so I'll be all in. But I have to say, Charlie,

852
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,639
I haven't heard yet. If Henry Olsen is going to

853
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:29,519
be part of it. He probably will look out for him.

854
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,360
He does fantasy baseball, Oh my goodness. He absolutely kills

855
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,440
every year in fantasy baseball. I know, because he's such

856
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800
a numbers geek. And I'll bet he'll be just as

857
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,480
good football.

858
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: So look at you know, one of my favorite things

859
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,559
is to be checking Twitter and some random evening, you know,

860
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Thursday night or something. And Henry Olsen is giving extremely detailed,

861
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,559
granular analysis of the election in Lichenstein and saying things like, well,

862
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,320
of course when you he went to the Palace region,

863
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,840
then the party de from Boise is expected to do

864
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,440
well this year given support for the bat two platform.

865
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,079
That was anything, Wow, I know you could do this

866
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,400
in America. How can you do this in every single

867
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,760
country in the world. So it doesn't surprise me that

868
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,239
he's extremely good at fantasy baseball.

869
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and on the other hand, John, you

870
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,440
will just bet on the Philadelphia Eagles. He'll just do

871
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,920
hometown stuff, so he'll be easy to pick his pocket.

872
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I was going to show up as I

873
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,880
walked to my computer to sign up. Actually, I tore

874
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,519
my meniscus, and so I'm going to be.

875
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: Out for the.

876
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 6: Your quarterback new quarterback.

877
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, one game. That's all. We're dead. We're dead.

878
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,519
We're absolutely dead. Yeah, it does, but that's part of

879
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:44,719
being a Minnesota Viking fan.

880
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,559
Speaker 1: The self delusion that is required year after year, week

881
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,360
after week is really quite extraordinary. It says something about

882
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,960
the character of the state, either our ability to be

883
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,039
deluded or our tenacious loyalty, or a combination of the two.

884
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,880
You know, I was going to ask, for example, that

885
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,719
we're coming down to the end of summer. Here, you've

886
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,719
got a fortnight left. I guess, if you want to

887
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,079
look at it, calendrical summer, that is, meteorological summer will

888
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,679
last way into September. But nobody in these parts believes

889
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,039
that at all. I just thought it's kind of ridiculous

890
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,679
to ask you fellows how you feel about the shank

891
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,000
of summer since Charles is in Florida and.

892
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 2: Steve when you're in California.

893
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I mean, you guys live in a in

894
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,000
a perpetual bliss of clement weather. You know nothing of

895
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,599
the character that develops when the when when the world

896
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:32,360
itself turns and paints itself into these most beautiful ways.

897
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,039
Speaker 5: Yes, can I can contradict you slightly. I include know

898
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,519
something of it, which is one reason I now live

899
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:39,039
in Florida.

900
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,559
Speaker 6: We're up in England for twenty six years.

901
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I imagine so. And it was that that

902
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,239
drove you away. Is the English? Is the English faull?

903
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Does it lacked that bittersweet I thought, with Keiths telling

904
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,239
us the fruits, the mellow fruits of autumn and all

905
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:53,760
the rest of it.

906
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,159
Speaker 2: Or is it just another dismal, drizzly interval.

907
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's dismal and drizzly and gray.

908
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:00,159
Speaker 1: You know.

909
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 5: I looked this up recently. The closest analog I find

910
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,480
to being rather as Seattle. And for years I said

911
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,400
to people, so, what's thing them like? What's the weather like?

912
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,000
And I would say, it's like Seattle. Seattle has one

913
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:16,400
hundred days more of sunshine. So even the one example

914
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,760
that I could find, there's actually a really good map

915
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,039
I saw that shows how much sunshine places in the

916
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,960
world get, and America in general, even you know, you're

917
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,440
joking about Minnesota, but Minnesota too they're just so much

918
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,440
lighter and sunnier and brighter than all of Europe, with

919
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,199
a couple of exceptions. And it has to affect the

920
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,719
national character in your outlook.

921
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh, it absolutely does.

922
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean I was in England in the end of

923
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,400
July or the end of June and the beginning of July,

924
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:49,960
and we had five six glorious days in Suffolk.

925
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it was hot. It was actually hot.

926
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,119
Speaker 1: People were putting on shorts and they were fanning themselves

927
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:56,960
and complaining about the lack of air conditioning and all

928
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,920
the rest of it. Although the place where I stayed

929
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,719
had ac because it was by civilized, sane people. But

930
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,039
then of course we get in the train and we

931
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,920
go to Glasgow, and Glasgow rained. But as in Minnesotan,

932
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,360
I don't understand the sort of Scottish rain until I

933
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,559
get there, in which it rains and then it doesn't,

934
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,280
and then it rains a little bit, and then it

935
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,320
miss for a bit, and then it rains very heavily,

936
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,599
and then then the clouds blared through like trumpets from barrios,

937
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,320
and then they cloud slam shut again with a claak,

938
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,920
and the rain comes in and again over and over

939
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,800
and over again. And I think the Scottish must haves

940
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,559
have had as many names for rain as the Eskimos

941
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,199
do for snow. That that old canard and it said, no,

942
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they don't, it's just rain, which was followed by four glorious,

943
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four glorious days in Edinburgh which it barely rained at all,

944
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and everything was absolutely wonderful. But Glasgow, in the rain

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and the griminess and the and the sort of sodden,

946
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care worn nature of the place, really brought through the

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spirit of it in a way that if I'd gone

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there during nothing but sun, I don't think I would

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have understand understood much. So I'm glad my vacation was

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completely rained in Glasgow.

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Speaker 2: I understood it a bit more, and I understood it.

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Speaker 1: Why perhaps that shaped the Scottish temperament as it did Steven.

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Your summer it's been going fine, I assume make it

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interesting to everybody in the next few minutes that we have.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's hard to do. I mean, summertime for an

956
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academic is when you try and catch up on unfinished articles,

957
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read books that have been piled up in a corner,

958
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try to get outside and enjoy things. I will say

959
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that this climate change business can go on forever. But

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this summer has been very unusual. Where I live on

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the Central Coast, it has been thick fog almost the

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entire summer until this week. And that's partly because our

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producer Perry visited me, and I think he brought some

964
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good weather with him. It's sunny outside and beautiful right

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now and I'm looking at the ocean. But part of

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it is get off on this for a minute. You

967
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and listeners may remember about a year and a half

968
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ago there was that enormous volcano eruption in the South Pacific,

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and the honest climatologist said, ah, this is going to

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affect the planet's climate over the next two years. And

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so there's a little wlag in it because it threw

972
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up so much high altitude water, vapor and particulates, and

973
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it's going to have both the cooling and warming effect

974
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depending on where you are. And I think that accounts

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for some of the weather patterns that otherwise the media

976
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is freaking out about this summer, which are to be

977
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entirely expected. If you're honest about it.

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Speaker 2: It's going to make it cooler or warmer.

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Speaker 1: That is just a climate change of advocate dream because

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you can go in to absolutely everything. And also, but

981
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it means that if you're looking at coughed up water

982
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vapor in particular, and you look at subterranean jets coming

983
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out from the depths of the ocean warming things up,

984
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and if you look at the fact that the Great

985
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Barrier Reef seems to be doing okay, and if you

986
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look at the fact that Antarctie ice is not a nightmare,

987
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and you consider that sunspots, that big, huge glowing nuclear

988
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furnace up in the sky.

989
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Speaker 2: Might have something to do with our climate.

990
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Speaker 1: It means then that all of the stuff telling us

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to do to get out of our cars into evs, which.

992
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Speaker 2: Are powered of course by some magic that's generated somewhere.

993
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,079
Speaker 1: Uh, that that that that falls on deaf ears, and

994
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,000
we can't have that, because we've all got to have

995
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,519
an electrified future, right. That's one of the things that

996
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I fear the most about a Harris administration would be

997
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the continuing war against the most effective means of generating

998
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power you possibly can. Then again, maybe she'll be pro nuke.

999
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Then again, maybe whatever. I don't particularly trust the gray

1000
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matter behind those sparkling joy filled eyes. And by the way, guys,

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I'm tired of hearing joy. You know, I'm really tired

1002
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,320
of hearing joy, not because I'm not a joyful person,

1003
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because they're about this close to saying that America will

1004
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achieve strength through joy, about this close without realizing.

1005
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,559
Speaker 3: James, are you really pining for the sour countenance of

1006
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,920
John Kerry? Is that you're nostalgia?

1007
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,559
Speaker 1: Now I better better lurch than this, this, this empty effervescence.

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Speaker 2: Charles.

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Speaker 5: I just hate being told this stuff that we all

1010
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,760
know is not true. It's it's it's an in junction.

1011
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:06,159
They are joyful, they're not joyful.

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00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:06,679
Speaker 7: You know what.

1013
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:11,039
Speaker 5: It reminds me of that old nineteen nineties version of

1014
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Superman with Dean Kin and Terry Hershe.

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Speaker 6: So I watched this when I was a kid.

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Speaker 5: I love this show and there was this particular episode

1017
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,280
in it where this guy, I think, I guess in

1018
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the show he was running for an elected office and

1019
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,480
they found some brain control technique that would allow him

1020
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to broadcast out to the people of the city. There's

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one phrase that he was a darn nice guy, and

1022
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:36,920
so everywhere Lois went during this episode, she starts to

1023
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,480
notice she woulday, what do you think of this guy?

1024
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And they would say, well, you know, I think he's

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a darn nice guy.

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Speaker 6: And everyone said it and it just got really, really creepy.

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00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:51,039
This is the joy thing. The people who are promulgating this,

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they are happy.

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Speaker 5: They are joyful because there was a period of a

1030
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few months where they thought they were going to lose,

1031
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,480
and they thought they might lose Minnesota, in New Mexico

1032
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,679
and New Hampshire and Virginia, and so they were crying

1033
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themselves into their breakfast cereal. And now they're all happy

1034
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,880
because they've got this candidate who looks like she's marched

1035
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in the ahead, and they feel joy. But they're using

1036
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this brain control technique where they're trying to convince everyone

1037
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else that they feel joy and they see joy and

1038
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what this is is joy and it's joyful. And the

1039
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thing that defines it is this joyfulness. And I keep

1040
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watching these rallies and I'm like, what are.

1041
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,519
Speaker 6: You talking about, you weird people?

1042
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no, no. Weird is the right. Joy

1043
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,360
joy joy is the left. These are the two words.

1044
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It's joy versus weird, Joy versus weird.

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Speaker 1: Just repeat that to yourself until you are convinced, and

1046
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vote accordingly and correctly. That'll do for us, folks. Thanks

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guys for showing up your thanks for Zibiotics for sponsoring us.

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1049
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1050
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and joyful about it, though very joyful about it. Yes,

1051
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,880
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1052
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1053
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1054
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1055
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1056
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in private, and they're all over the place, and it's

1057
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a great community. I was just there last night about

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twelve o'clock or so, typing out and reading.

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Speaker 2: And go there every day a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not just a flap and mouthpiece here. I'm

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an actual contributor and I'm also a flap and mouthpiece.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. We'll see everybody in the comments at

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ricochet for point zero well next week