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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the One podcast, your host.

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And joining us today is the infamous Joel Thomas.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Dude?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Brother? I don't feel like this is actually

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like a podcast because we talk a lot.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we really had like two hour conversations on

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the phone that could frigging B shows all on their own.

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So definitely we do this on the regular. There's a

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lot of hours that we haven't recorded that we've just

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talked so much about so many things.

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Speaker 2: I've known you for three years, so like, yeah, probably

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one hundred hours of podcast material that we've talked on

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the phone.

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Speaker 1: Has it been that long already, dude?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's crazy. I was looking at when I

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started doing all this I looked at when I first

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met Tony because that's kind of when all this stuff happened,

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because man, I really I had no interest in podcasting,

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and I laugh. The first two podcasts I ever listened

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to were The Confessionals and Isaac Wishop's, and then four

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years later I've working with both of them and a

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lot of other people. So it's been pretty cool, man.

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And now that I've got my own podcast, I'm having

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a blast doing it. Man. I get to really just.

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Speaker 1: Where they can find you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me pretty much anywhere that streams

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podcast obviously, the normal stuff on the RSS feed like Spotify,

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Apple podcast pod being anywhere. Just look up Free the Rabbits.

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It's a market media product, so you can go check

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me out there. It's generally a solo show. It's me

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breaking down various topics. Some of it's conspiratorial, some of

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it's more religion based, some of its ancient history. I

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jump around a lot. It's just whatever I'm interested in, really,

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so I do a lot of different things. I find

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that a lot of these topics interweave between each other

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a lot. So you'll find the occult and conspiratorial topics,

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or you might find, you know, some gnosticism over here,

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and like some ancient history, they just tend to kind

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of all blend together at some point. So I think

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that's one thing that I'm finding as I'm digging through topics.

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Like I was telling you yesterday, I just did an

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episode about Isaac Newton, and I really wasn't planning on

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going the direction that I did. And as I was

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reading this book that I actually sent over to you,

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it was really interesting because like the back end of

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his career, like thirty years, he spent more time riting

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about religion and alchemy than he actually did anything scientific.

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As a matter of fact, he said in several letters

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he found it boring, so he was more about writing

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about things that he really couldn't publish at the time

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because his thoughts on certain matters would have gotten him

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in trouble with the Church of England, which he actually

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was a member of, so he had to kind of

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hide what he really thought about things because he needed

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the ability to be able to perform scientific methods and

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be able to have those, you know, published, so people

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would take those thoughts and theories on board as scientific fact.

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So you'll find that a lot with a lot of

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different things though, So yeah, and I ended up going

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down a whole different road. I thought I was going

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to go down some alchemical road, which I'm going to

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eventually with him, but I ended up going down a

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very religious road in his beef with the Roman Catholic Church,

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which was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a really good book, I think it's called

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Newton the Alchemist that talks about his alchemical endeavors and yeah,

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the Newton, Yeah, by William R. Newman, Newman being one

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of the He goes hard on the paint when it

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comes to alchemy. And they don't teach you a lot

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of the esoteric stuff that a lot of these prominent

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figures were really into. They don't teach you that in school. Right.

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all these other mumbo jumbos, but they don't talk about like, oh,

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he was also obsessed with like the Temple of Solomon

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and built a bunch of models of the Temple of Solomon.

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paperwork was hidden away, and I think it was sold

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at an auction or something or other. Something happened with

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the paperwork and they kind of they hit it. They

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published till recently, I think twenty twelve as well. But yeah,

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he was obsessed with the book Revelation. Super interesting guy,

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and today we're gonna be talking about another interesting person,

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infamous person, you know, Alistair Crowley, and I know that

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you When does the documentary come out? I heard you

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guys got on the last living homoncologists of all time

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on there as well. That's just those are rumors I heard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. We actually had the the only amuncoologist

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that's ever lived. One Ayala was on the documentary. And

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the plan is the end of summer the first of fall,

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so we're probably looking at August to September drop date. Yeah,

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we've got a whole revamped editing team. And I say revamped,

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it's really just an additional editing team to take a

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lot of the load awful Ward who's really just directing

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and you know, putting all these films together, which is

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a lot of work. But now we've got a really

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cool editing team that used to work for Timpoole and

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now they're working for us, which is really cool. And

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so's yeah. I don't want to get into that whole thing,

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but there's a whole debacleo over there, you know that camp. Yeah,

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But we were already cool with those guys and we'd

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work with them over the past couple of years anyway,

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and so it just was a natural fit. And these

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guys know exactly how we like it, and they you

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think the same way. So the films are only going

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to elevate from here. They're going to be great. So

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we got a film coming out in a couple months.

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undisclosed location we had signed NDA's to go to. We're

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out there for a week, had some really cool, interesting

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stuff happening out there that'll come out in a couple months.

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And then the Crowley film is dropping. Like I said,

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August or September. I hit up Isaac the other day

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and let him know too, because he's been plugging it

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on his show, because he's in the film too. For

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people that know, so Tony Merkle, Isaac wisawt wan Ayala,

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and a bunch of other interviews that we did with

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people on location. We're in four different locations, so it's

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going to be our biggest film to date as far

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as size and scope. So it's going to be fascinating.

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research that I did on Alistair Crowley, and I've done

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just an an ordinate amount over the past couple of

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years on his inner workings, not only within the occult,

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because I think that a lot of people get really

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captivated with that part of it, right, because that's a

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very interesting part, the occult part. You know, he was

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known as the wickedest man on Earth and the beast,

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and yes, that's a major part of him, for sure,

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to him, maybe four, if we want to say that

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there's a true self that none of us really knew,

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right or nobody really knew. But you got the occult side,

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this magic side of him. You've got this charlatan side

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of him, which some people think that he was purely

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a charlatan, think that he was just swindling people with

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all of these occult machinations. I don't think so, but

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it also leads into this other part of him, which

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is this secret agent side of him, this actor side

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of him, and it is very It really fascinated me

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his connections with the government, and it as I was

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building this film, which is called Crowley's Melon Heads Children

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of the Beast. When I was building the film, a

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major part of it was his connections with the government

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because of what we know even now about what governments

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talk about entities and interdimensional beings. We know last year

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they were in Congress talking about interdimensional beings, so we

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know that they're now in the modern era, they are

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at least putting out some knowledge to the public. I mean,

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obviously it's going to be diluted. They're not going to

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give us the real nuts and bolts. But I do

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think that a lot of this was already in the works,

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especially with Crowley, and I think it started early on

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in his career when he was in Cambridge which is

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Trinity College. Now there's been several writers that have done

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some fantastic work on tracking down a lot of what

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he's done. Tobias Churton is a really great one that

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I've read quite a bit of what he's written about Crowley,

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but he's got tons of books and he talks about

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different parts of Croley's life, like Croley in America, or

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Croley in Paris, and Croly in England, because Croley was everywhere.

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talks about Crowley and he is actually a part of

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the OTO currently, and then Richard B. Spence, who probably

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did some of the best work when it comes to

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Crowley being a secret agent. And that's when I really

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started putting pieces together with my own theories of where

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the film went to. Because his marriage between the government

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and the Occult was on purpose, and I believe that

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the Government's encouraged his road into the Occult because of

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the fact that during the period of time in the

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late eighteen hundreds when he was coming up through Trinity

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College and Cambridge and he was hobnobbing around with some

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of these other elites, I guess would be the best

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word for it, the Occult was running rampant. The people

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with money and power were fascinated with it. And you know,

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there were like two hundred thousand Freemasons in England at

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the time, I believe it was, and you had all

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of these secret societies really becoming popular. Freemasonry was more

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of the gateway drug, and then once you got in there,

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then you had access to some of these other secret

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societies like the Golden dyn which we'll talk about today

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Speaker 1: Kind of a misnomer too, right, like these secret societies

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becoming popular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny when you think about it when

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it said that way, but it was the truth. It was.

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that was a part of these secret societies was involved

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in the occult in any sense. I don't think a

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lot of them are now. And I can tell you

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from my own experience being a part of Freemasonry at

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one point in my life, that's really not man, it's

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really just the social aspect that stuff not confirm. Yeah,

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but most of these guys were just in it for

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social purposes. Man. It's a brotherhood, it's a fraternity, right,

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and really, when you think about it, if you're a

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part of a fraternity and there are guys in that

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fraternity that are in different positions in life, it just

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means that you've got a leg up to get somewhere

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that you want to go. Right, it's not necessarily this

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occult thing, which again that is a part of it,

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especially when you work your way up and the guys

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that are interested in that. Obviously the gateways there for

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you to get to where you want. But it's kind

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of how it was in England at the time when

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he was coming up, and really his whole journey to

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the occult really started when he was a kid and

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when he was younger. His father was actually a part

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of what they called the Plymouth Brethren and the Plymouth

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Brethren or the Assemblies of Brethren. It was a nonconformist

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Christian movement and it can be traced back to Dublin,

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but they emphasized what they called the solo scripturah, and

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that was the belief that the Bible was the only

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authority for church doctrine and practice. So no other book

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Christian denomination. And his father was a preacher and he

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was a part of this Plymouth Brethren. They were very strict.

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his father has like this mouth cancer right, and it

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can be cut out and he could live. But instead

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of doing that, the Plymouth Brethren, his brothers, convinced him

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that they had this electronic method. It was like an

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electric method, plus the power of God would heal him.

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So he decided not to go to an actual doctor

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where he could get help, and he decides to try

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this experimental practice with the Plymouth Brethren ends up dying.

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So when Crowley's, you know, eight years old, his father

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dies and he blamed the Christians. And that's really where

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his entire life is shaped by his father essentially being

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killed by the Plymouth brother not that they did it

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on purpose, but that's how it's happened. So what Crowley did,

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and if you notice a lot of Crowley's writings, everything's

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intertwined with Egyptian mythology, Egyptian gods, and he actually viewed

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himself as Horace. That was the first time that he

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really viewed himself as being this version of Horse, because

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in his mind, you had the god o Cyrus, and

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that represented his father. Then you had the brother of Osiris,

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which was Set, and Set represented Christianity. So Christianity killed

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his father, So Set killed his father. And then you

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know the story of isis she goes and gets the

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pieces of Osiris. In some stories, he just builds the

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pieces of the Phallus, and then she creates insiminates herself

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with this dead seed of Osiris to then create Horace.

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And then as the story goes, Horace grows older and

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then challenges Set for the throne. And that's who he

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viewed himself as. And that was the moment that he

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viewed himself as Horace and what he was going to

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do to Christianity, because to him, Christianity was evil. And

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I know a lot of people to this day that

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believe Christianity are evil, and in a lot of ways,

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me being a Christian, I have to have a lot

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of empathy. One because I spent a good portion of

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my life believing the same thing, and I understand that

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things can happen in our lives that people who are

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associated with a said practice do bad things to us,

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and because of that, we want to have nothing to

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do with something because it's like, for instance, say your

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first three interactions one with white people were negative, you

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know what I mean, So now all white people are

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evil because of that. That's just a normal human reaction.

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And it's very normal when it comes to Christianity because

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you've got a lot of people who say that they're

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Christians and doing pretty awful stuff. And this was an

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actual case where, yeah, his father died because of the

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Plymouth Brethren and his father being stupid and not going

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to a doctor where they could have easily taken care

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of it and he would have lived. And the thing was,

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Crowley was very close to his father, so that was

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pretty hard on him seeing his father die. And he

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decides to make it his mission to take out Christianity,

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you know, with joining all of these different secret societies,

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creating the religion of Thelema and trying to progress the

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Oto throughout the United States. And that's a lot later

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in nineteen fourteen through nineteen nineteen when he decides to

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do that, But yeah, he definitely had a moment that

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really shook him to his core. But as he gets older,

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his mother remarries and he ends up really getting close

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to his uncle and his aunt Annie, and because of

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his closeness to them is how he really gets attached

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to some of the higher life society and more of

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the money crowd. And not that his father didn't have money.

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His father did. But here's the thing. Some people think

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that Crowley was super rich as a kid. He really wasn't.

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They were more like middle upper class, so they kind

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of hung on the fringes of being high society. But

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his uncle and his aunt Annie were, They were very

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high society. The hobnobbed around with all of the people

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that could get him connected. And that's really how he

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gets to Cambridge in Trinity College was because of that.

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He because of Aunt Annie and his uncle's tie ins

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to some of the bigger guys like Lord Salisbury, which

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Lord Salisbury his four half brothers were already previously went

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through Cambridge Trinity College. Now the Thawt pattern is that

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Lord Salisbury, whose real name is Robert Talbot gaskelline Cecil,

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he was the third Marquis of Salisbury. Now he served

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as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom three times over

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thirteen years. This guy was super connected. He was also

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a Foreign Secretary, but one of the things that he

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was in charge of was the Intelligence Department. Now, the

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thought pattern is that he helped get Crowley into Cambridge

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and while Crowley was there, Salisbury was recruiting young men

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to be a part of the Intelligence Department. And the

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belief is that he did indeed go to Alistair and

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because of the connections between solis Bury and his and uncle,

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he was able to help aleister Crowley become a secret agent.

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And there is evidence that he was doing missions, at

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least for trial missions while he was in Cambridge at

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Trinity College.

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Speaker 1: Who was the one with the brewing company? Was it

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his dad or was it his family? Because he was

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left a substantial amount of money.

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Speaker 2: His dad, So yeah, his dad had a brewing company. Again,

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they had money, but when you're talking about elite upper society,

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they weren't quite there. They were kind of in that

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fringe bracket right below it. So they had money. And

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the thing is, if Croley had been good with money

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at all, which he wasn't, he blew it left and right.

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He could have actually used the money that his dad

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made and lived a very comfortable life his entire life

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and never had to work. But the thing was, Crowley

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loved to blow money. Croley believed that much when he

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was useless in his mind. Croley's an odd character when

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it comes to his belief system. On the one hand,

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he was a patriot, he believed in the English rule,

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and on the opposite side of it, he was an anarchist.

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So he kind of played both ends of it. But

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that also lends to his duality as a person, and

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it shows how easy it was for him to become

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a secret agent because even his sexuality one he was bisexual,

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and this is a known fact. This is not nothing

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that's you know, hard to find. But because of his bisexuality,

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that was very useful in these missions that he was

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sent out on from England.

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Speaker 1: Looking at the numbers that he so he received thirty

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seven thirty thousand pounds, I think that's pounds or one

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third of his father's wealth when he was a boy,

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and that was the equivalent to about thirty seven thousand

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US dollars, which is the equipment in that time, right

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from the early nineteen hundreds, is about one point four

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million dollars in twenty twenty five adjusted for inflation, so

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not a crazy amount of money, but still a substantial

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amount for the time. But his extravagant lifestyle and drug

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addiction left him bankrupt and it was not enough to

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support him, obviously, because he how he said, he was

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just blowing money left and right and going on all

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these occult excursions if you will.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you have to wonder where was he getting

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the money from, right, And he was blowing it like hotcakes,

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but he was still recooling it. And he lived a

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very extravagant lifestyle, especially when he did his like five

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year run in the states Man. He was staying at

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all of the penthouses in New York and any place

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else he was at. The thought pattern is that the

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government was paying him under the table as a secret

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agent because he wouldn't have been on the books, and

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paying him as a secret agent, which was again filling

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his coffers back up to where he could live this lifestyle.

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And that was a constant and from all educations he

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was really good at his job. I mean again, because

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he had such a dual personality, because he was bisexual,

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especially when you start getting into these fraternities with a

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lot of men. A lot of those guys were hitting

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homosexuals too. It's a very useful tool. And I was

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reading that to be a secret agent, the high that

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you get off of it is on sexual and I've

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heard this from several different people who have been a

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part of these agencies. And because of that factor, when

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you factor it in with Crowley's own depravity and the

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things that he loved to do, that would have fed

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that completely. And because Croley really didn't have a moral code,

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being a secret agent's perfect. If you were looking to

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recruit a guy, Crowley would be the guy to recruit

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because you got a guy who's a moral who doesn't

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care about anybody but himself, and who's got a dual

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personality and is also a great actor. You know, he

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was a decent writer, decent poet, poet, you know, he

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wrote songs, okay, but really people said, if you wanted

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to get in the arts, he could have been probably

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a fantastic actor.

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Speaker 1: Which I think he was as well. And here's the thing,

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so he's always described as like this narcissist, like super

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self centered. The whole debacle of him being a climber

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and leaving people behind. Although right here says he wasn't

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definitively diagnosed as a sociopath. A lot of his behavior

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that he was exhibiting could be characteristics of a socio

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But my whole thing is right, So if we go

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back and we look at not even the nineteen hundreds, right,

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even before that, we go back to John D. Which,

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by the way, I'm gonna manifest that movie, and I

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planted the seed with Western Cage about the John D movie. Okay,

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all right, Western, I mean.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for it, but you make sure you do

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a part of it where you talk about him being

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a secret agent too, because he was also so.

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Speaker 1: The wealthy elite and by the well elie, I'm talking

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about the people in power. They have this interest in

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the occult. Right, Let's use John D for an example.

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Who right, the original allegedly double O seven that people

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always talk about, right, and how he was also a

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spy his time.

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Speaker 2: Not even allegedly though, one because Ian Fleming took the

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double O seven from his signature that he used to

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sign the Queen's documents with. You can pull us up online.

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He used to sign them double O seven. The eyes

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of the Queen and seven was his magic number.

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Speaker 1: Or the two ball Kane, you know, however you want

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to interpret it, right, So the elites, they have this

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connection with the occult, even in today's stand even the

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early you know, twentieth century, with even the whole Gateway experience,

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remote viewing, et cetera, et cetera. That's kind of sort

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of a cult slash new aging away. But what I

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haven't been able to pimpoint is why this guy, aside

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from his sociopathic tendencies narcissistic tendencies being by side, why him?

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Because I always thought that he said that to like

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flex on people, because he was kind of sort of

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you know, when you think of a charlatan, you also

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think of a liar or like a snake oil salesman,

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right they're lying about it. And he seemed like the

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kind of guy who was very ego driven, very ego centric,

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and would kind of, yeah, you know, I'm also a

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secret agent. It's like something that you can't really truly prove,

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especially for that time. It's not like you can google

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him or something. Although he was famous in his own

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right during his time, and he was recognizable around where

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he was at Well, it's like, why this guy out

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of everyone else that could do the role. And I'm

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sure there was other secret agents as well, but I

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just found interesting as to why they landed on Crowling.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it had a lot to do with

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family connection, to be honest with you. Take it back

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to Lord Salisbury being connected to his uncle and especially

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his aunt because she was a part of what they

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called the Primrose League. And the Primrose League was the

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best way to say it is a church based secret society.

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So the Prime Rose Yeah, the Primrose League. So Lord

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Salisbury was also a part of that with Aunt Annie,

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and yeah, conservative principles in Great Britain. And that's where

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the whole phrase I'll hold support God Queen in the

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country when no alwa's in God Queen in the country.

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That's where it comes from. Is this Primrose League. Now

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they were very patriotic, so and Annie was a part

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of this. Lord Salisbury is a part of this. So

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because of these connections he gets into Cambridge College. Now, Listen,

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Crowley was super smart. He was super intelligent.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: You don't get it into Trinity College if you're not smart.

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That's just a fact, a matter of fact. We're just

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talking about Isaacton. Newton went to Trinity College and Cambridge,

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and there were many many other great alchemists and scientists

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and writers and mathematicians that all went through Trinity College

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and Cambridge. So that's why I think he got the look.

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Number two Sometimes is just something they see in you,

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especially if you're just dead inside. And that's the best

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way for me to say it. You know, if you're

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a recruiter and you're looking for somebody to join special Forces, right,

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you want somebody that cannot only do the job, but

476
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:57,839
also doesn't really have attachments, doesn't really have these moral

477
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,319
codes that would hold you back from being able to

478
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,720
pull the trigger, so to say. And I think that

479
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,480
had a lot to do with why Crowley was picked

480
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,440
again connections number one, but I think the second part

481
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:18,119
was his ability to, for lack of better word, internally

482
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,960
shape shift no matter who he was around. Now you ask,

483
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,960
you know, what's some of the other proof that he

484
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200
was a part of what would now be called five

485
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,920
M I six, which obviously had nothing to do back

486
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680
then because five and I six didn't even exist back then.

487
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,519
There were so many different quote unquote secret services that

488
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,720
didn't interconnect with each other at all. They ended up

489
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:53,839
being rival organizations within Great Britain. This is before they

490
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,839
finally solidified it later on with I five I six.

491
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:03,119
Now we were talking about Richard B. Spence. Richard B. Spence,

492
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,960
when he was writing his book about Croly being a

493
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,880
secret agent, he started contacting all of these different organizations

494
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,799
in MY five, in MY six started talking to the

495
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:18,119
federal government here and some of the well, they all

496
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
reached back out to him, but some of them said, look,

497
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,119
we don't have anything on Crowley. Crowley wasn't even you know,

498
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,200
a part of anything we did. Oddly enough, our federal

499
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,319
government said that Crowley, they were not allowed to talk

500
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,640
about it. That's what they responded to him with. They said,

501
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,799
in so many words, we don't have anything, but we

502
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:41,680
can't talk about it. So it's like we don't have

503
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,839
anything for you. It's basically what they were saying. Now,

504
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,359
when he did reach out to five six, he ended

505
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,480
up getting there's a slip and I'm about to show

506
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,039
it now. There was a slip that was found in

507
00:32:56,079 --> 00:33:00,319
a folder that had Crowley's name on it, and there

508
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,119
were documents in this folder, but there weren't any documents

509
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,119
in the folder. There was just a slip that had

510
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,759
his name on it, and there were supposed to be documents.

511
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,960
And they came back and they told Richard B. Spence, well, yeah,

512
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,599
there's a folder. It's just an empty folder with this

513
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:18,039
slip with his name on it. So they clearly had

514
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,559
a bulk of info on Crowley and they had a

515
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:26,119
lot going on with Crowley that they just didn't that.

516
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Could have been destroyed. I mean, they could have had

517
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,160
paperwork and it could have been destroyed if he was

518
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,519
truly in as deep as they say, right, like some

519
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:39,559
black budget stuff, really truly secret agent. It's like, hey,

520
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:43,160
it's so secret, we got to throw it out. And

521
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,440
that's not something that he could have planted himself. That's

522
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,440
something that could have legitimately came from. Is that his

523
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,359
handwriting or is that like an agent's handwriting.

524
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: That's the agent's handwriting. So that's the actual slip from

525
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:00,599
the folder.

526
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:01,599
Speaker 1: We know what that says.

527
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: I can't read it, man, I was just got dates

528
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,639
on it down here, he's got his name here. But

529
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:19,719
essentially it's just stating, according to Richard Richard B. Spence

530
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,360
that there was documentation on Crowley within m I five,

531
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,239
but they don't have anymore and they said they don't

532
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:36,280
know what happened to it, of course. So that's the

533
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,199
other pretty big piece of evidence that we know that

534
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,920
he was involved somehow, right, we know that he was

535
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,559
working with them in some capacity. Now, there were many

536
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:53,880
times that he said later on in his career that

537
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,800
I mean you mentioned it earlier, where he said, oh,

538
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,679
I was I did this with the government, or I

539
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,239
did this, or I'm not at all to talk about this.

540
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,719
He may have very well been telling the truth. I mean,

541
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,519
he could have been embellishing things, which I think Crowley

542
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,599
did from time to time for sure. But the more

543
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,519
research that I've done on Crowley, yeah, he had a

544
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,920
big ego, but man, he did a lot of what

545
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,280
he said he did. I mean, he was involved in

546
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:28,400
all of these different organizations. And again he waited until

547
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,119
he was on the back end of his life to

548
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,320
really start talking about a lot of these interactions within

549
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,360
what we'd now call M I five M I six.

550
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: Interesting. I'm trying to find to see if there is

551
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,760
anyone who's uh, you know, transcribed that that slip there.

552
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,719
I can't even find that slip on the internet.

553
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, it was in the book, so I was

554
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:52,840
able to.

555
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:57,199
Speaker 1: Which book is that The Secret Agent sixty sixty six? Yep, yeah,

556
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,920
I haven't read that one. That one's yeah, Richard Spence,

557
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,199
what year is that from? That's from two thousand and eight.

558
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: Damn all right.

559
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: So he's done a bit of digging, right, So let's

560
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,559
say that he was if we look at it from

561
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,920
a logical perspective, Let's say that they knew that he

562
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,599
had an interest in the occult. Right, we have his

563
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:22,960
family connections as well, and let's say that a lot

564
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,760
of these influential figures were also in these occult circles

565
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,960
because of what we mentioned earlier about it being a

566
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,880
sort of social club. Maybe not so maybe half and half? Right,

567
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,199
A lot of them were interested in the occult and

568
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,920
all this other stuff, but a lot of them weren't.

569
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,079
They were just there to hang out and like, hey,

570
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,880
why don't we just put in one of our guys

571
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,280
in there to see if they can get some dirt

572
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,800
on these other dudes who are in there, who are

573
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,599
higher up in society or whatever it is, and maybe

574
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,039
even get some dirt on them too. That this could

575
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:58,480
be like the beginning and what I think, dude, what

576
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:04,320
I think is a link of like these Epstein guys

577
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,360
right where it's a lineage of them, and there's a

578
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,960
whole sect of these people who are just put in

579
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:16,039
charge in different places to get the dirt and the blackmail.

580
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,800
Because I think that's the most powerful form of knowledge.

581
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,079
And I've said this before, where it's not the knowledge

582
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,119
of like the Faustian bargain of like, hey, you know,

583
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,840
if you know the names of these demons, you can

584
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,800
conjure up the Ragnarok or whatever it is. Like, No,

585
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,000
the real dangerous knowledge is you walked in on somebody

586
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,000
you weren't supposed to walk into, saw some things you

587
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:43,280
weren't supposed to see. That's the dangerous knowledge that'll really

588
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,639
get you killed. Not this other mumbo jumbo cult stuff

589
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,159
which kind of sort of lay would lay the way

590
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,880
for these elites to be able to do stuff like

591
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440
they did in the you know, the ditty parties and

592
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,679
all this stuff. Who says that, you know, dressing up

593
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,599
all and white, that's super a cult, you know what

594
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:05,800
I'm saying. And it's like, hey, look, we saw such

595
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,679
and such person there doing this ritual and it just

596
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719
so happened to involved x y Z and now we

597
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,960
got him boys or like the whole Bohemian Grove stuff.

598
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,199
I mean, that's that's the whole thing of that as well.

599
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,599
It's like, what do you guys do out there? We're

600
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:24,000
just hanging out? Are you? You get what I'm saying?

601
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,480
And that would that that would also contribute to the

602
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,480
was Alex Jones an agent that exposed the Bohemian Grove

603
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:37,559
and he was like one of the first people to

604
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,280
really come out and videotape and all this other things

605
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,360
like was he an agent? He's very influential. He's in

606
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,679
all these circles, right, I mean, it's just something to think.

607
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: About, and I think that was definitely part of it

608
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,079
for sure. And because of his knowledge in the occult,

609
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,199
when he would get in these circles, he would shine.

610
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:11,239
He always shown and he would garner the eyes of

611
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
whoever is kind of at the top, you know, when

612
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,639
we'll talk about the Golden Down here in a minute,

613
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,840
because that's kind of important because that gets into Mexico

614
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,360
and that also talks about the other part of him

615
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,840
being a secret agent. So if you know anything about

616
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,239
secret agents, there's what they call agent provocateurs and an

617
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,239
agent provocateur for people that don't know, are basically agents

618
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,840
that are put into place to disrupt something. So a

619
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,559
good example we all have when we had all the

620
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:50,159
riots going on in two twenty twenty, we had stories

621
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,280
of piles of bricks and things being laid in certain

622
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,119
places to start things, and there would be random people

623
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,159
that would start throwing bricks at you know, storefronts or

624
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:11,360
whatever else. Now, people, when they're in a large group

625
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:16,719
and the emotions are heightened, it's very easy to guide

626
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,679
people down a path. And if you have what you

627
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,039
call agent provocateurs that are integrated within say they're FEDS

628
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,320
or CIA or whatever else. They're dressed to look like

629
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,000
everyone else in the crowd, but then they start the

630
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,000
violence and then everyone else picks up on it, that

631
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:38,559
would be an example of an agent provocateur. Now, Crowley,

632
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:44,519
from all indications, was an agent provocateur because of the missions,

633
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:46,920
the type of missions, even early on that they sent

634
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,519
him on. And we'll talk about a couple of those

635
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:55,599
here now. His first brush with the intelligent work was

636
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:57,079
while he was still in school, and I was talking

637
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,159
about that earlier. He was on a summer long vacation

638
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,400
in eighteen ninety seven, and you were talking about him

639
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,559
being a mountain climber, and he was an avid mountain climber.

640
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:07,760
Matter of fact, he was really good at mountain climbing.

641
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,519
And we'll talk about when he was in Mexico. He

642
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:13,079
did a lot of mountain climbing down there too, And

643
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:17,039
in instead of scaling the Alps that summer, he decided

644
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,719
to visit Saint Petersburg, Russia. Now, he said his purpose

645
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,840
was to improve his Russian and he not only determined

646
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,599
on a career and the diplomatic service, was aiming to

647
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,199
an appointment to the most interesting and brilliant court in Europe,

648
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,880
that of Czar Nicholas the Second. And Crowley set out

649
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,639
of his own mouth, and this is why he's still

650
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,199
at Trinity College. And this is when he's about to

651
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,599
go to Saint Petersburg, Russia. He said, the subtlety of

652
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:48,400
intrigue has always fascinated me, which at the time didn't

653
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,800
make a lot of sense to people when he said that,

654
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,880
But in retrospect now it looks like that was his

655
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,920
first mission. Now we don't know exactly what he was

656
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:06,320
there to do, but if he's going to Russia to

657
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,440
spy on whatever they ask him to spy on, and

658
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,559
again it could be like a dummy mission, right, hey,

659
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,800
go here, get this little information that we want you

660
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,440
to get. It might even be that important, but they

661
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440
want to see if he can pull it off and

662
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,960
he can become whatever person that they tell him to

663
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,639
be right. And the biggest thing with Crowley is when

664
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,960
he would go on these missions, he would present it

665
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,920
as him doing something else, especially early on in his career,

666
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,519
and that's pretty typical of secret agents, and he did

667
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:42,360
that here as well. Now again he gets back from

668
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,719
this particular mission. We don't hear much more about it,

669
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,119
but it seems after that that it ramps up. And

670
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:52,639
the fact of the matter that he would skip out

671
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:59,039
on scaling the Alps to go to you know, random Russia,

672
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:05,079
Saint Petersburgh to you know, study diplomatic service that she

673
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:07,960
ended up not even doing. That's the best part, you know.

674
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,400
He played this front in school like he was gonna

675
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:14,400
go into the government become a diplomat, and as soon

676
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,519
as the back end of Trinity College is wrapping up,

677
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,440
he gets super engrossed into the occult and when he

678
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:27,519
leaves there he decides that he's going to be in

679
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,000
occultistn't study magic. That was going to be his career,

680
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,480
which is super weird because that doesn't really have a

681
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,320
lot of money in it unless you're a Charlottan and

682
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,559
you're scamming people for money. But really there's no indication

683
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,199
that he ever did that in his career, that he

684
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,159
was scamming people for money, that he was trying to

685
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,880
get money off of people to perform rituals or whatever else.

686
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:49,320
As a matter of fact, he detested people that did that,

687
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:53,519
so that wouldn't make sense either. So from all educations.

688
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,480
While he was at Trinity College, he was doing missions

689
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,599
for the British Intelligence.

690
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: I have this thing here that I don't know how

691
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,920
accurate it is, but I told Chad Gpt to tell

692
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,480
me about Curley being a secret agent and so World

693
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,960
War One the anti British persona in the US. We

694
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960
moved to the US in nineteen fourteen and wrote pro

695
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,760
German propaganda for the following in publication aligned with German interests.

696
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,800
Is that true? So he portrayed himself as a trader

697
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:32,239
to Britain, advocating for Irish independency and even celebrating the

698
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,679
sinking of the Lusitania.

699
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. The him working for the Germans

700
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,719
was a double agent move. He was actually working for

701
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,079
the British when he was working for the Germans. So

702
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,599
you were talking about the Lusitania and he was actually

703
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:59,119
on the Lusitanium multiple times. And I actually did an

704
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400
entire episode the Lusitania and Crowley. This was probably about

705
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,280
a two hour episode that I did about this is

706
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,440
very interesting and it was when he first came to

707
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,360
the United States. There are a lot of characters involved

708
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,800
what he was doing, who he was hobknopping with, and

709
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,199
when it came to Art and JP Morgan and Morgan

710
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,920
Knights are all involved with this too. But from just

711
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:26,199
a standard historical point of view, he was working with

712
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,880
the Germans. He turned on the British. He was trying

713
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,519
to help the Germans to scare the US to not

714
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,920
join the war because the British wanted the US to

715
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,119
join the war and join the Allies to help take

716
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,559
the Germans down. America didn't want anything to do with

717
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:51,639
the war early on. That was the game. So he

718
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,039
goes into and I'm really like short wrapping all this up,

719
00:45:55,039 --> 00:46:03,360
but he goes into the German group that's in New York,

720
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:09,679
and he starts working for this propaganda paper and starts

721
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,840
writing for them. So basically their job is to put

722
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,039
out propaganda in the US, specifically New York, to scare

723
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,719
the US citizens to not want to go to war,

724
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,000
to not join the Allies. The Germans don't want that

725
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,400
because the US has a lot of resources. Well, the

726
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:36,400
British have sent Croley into work for the Germans, and

727
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,159
the job of Crowley is to hype them up enough

728
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,400
to blow up the Lusitania, which they had a U

729
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,800
boat that was ready for the Lusitania to come into

730
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,440
the British port. It gets better the day of the

731
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,119
same propaganda paper comes out and says that there's a

732
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:02,159
possible attack. Nobody really gets off the boat, but a

733
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,119
bunch of elites before the boat leaves. It's sounds a

734
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,519
lot like some of these other things that have happened.

735
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,519
So the boat leaves, as it's pulling into the port,

736
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:16,119
there's a U boat underneath the water submarine hit them

737
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,159
with the missile. Now, the way that the Luciditani was built,

738
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,760
it was essentially early on built for war, but it

739
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,519
really wasn't good for that because if you hit it

740
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,960
in the front. The way that the balance was on

741
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,960
the boat, it's going to go down instantly. So it

742
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,239
killed a bunch of people, a lot, a bunch of

743
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Americans as a matter of fact. So really what that

744
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,559
did was hype the Americans up to go to war,

745
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,960
not scare them to not go to war. That was

746
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,119
the point. They needed a catalyst to kill a bunch

747
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:52,119
of Americans. So then the Americans, which they didn't go

748
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:53,559
right away in the war, but it was about a

749
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,519
year later false flag, and Crowley was a part of that.

750
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,320
Now check this out, because Crowley, he was so deeply

751
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,840
entrenched into occult practices that fed everything the Germans loved.

752
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:11,159
The Germans loved the occult, they were super fascinated with it,

753
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:14,239
and they believed everything Crowley said. As matter of fact,

754
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,280
they never questioned once that Croly was still working for

755
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,599
what we would now call five six. They thought he

756
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,039
was sold and bought in. That's how much he had

757
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:29,320
them tricked. Think about this. Though Croley was never prosecuted,

758
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,360
he was never got in trouble with any governments. He

759
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:36,039
was living in the US working for the Germans, apparently,

760
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,639
and then the Germans blow up a boat with a

761
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:41,599
bunch of Americans on it, and Crowley doesn't even get

762
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,679
in any trouble, didn't get in any trouble with the

763
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:49,119
British nothing. So at some point we have to look

764
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:54,519
at it that Crowley was actually the catalyst that started

765
00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:00,880
the Americans connection to World War One, or started the

766
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,320
Americans into becoming a part over World War One, which

767
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,960
is again there are a lot of moving parts that

768
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,760
got him to that point. But he wasn't the only

769
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:18,760
double agent that was also working this entire Lusitania agenda.

770
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,360
And Crowley was very familiar with the boat itself because

771
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,400
he traveled on that specific boat several times from the

772
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,920
UK to America and back again, so he knew the

773
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,440
boat like the back of his hand. He would have

774
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,960
been able to tell them. So what Crowley did. He

775
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,719
went to the Germans squand and he said, hey, they

776
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,719
got all these guns on this boat. They're shipping guns

777
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,760
out for the war. The Americans aren't being upfront and honest,

778
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,880
they're shipping guns back to the British and all these

779
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,239
other places that the boat ported, because it wasn't just

780
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,199
the UK, it was all kind of different places. And

781
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,360
that's how he sold them the thing is they did

782
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960
have guns on the boat, at least initially, because it

783
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:09,599
was initially constructed as a war boat. They changed it

784
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,679
it's make up later, but it was initially set up

785
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,679
to be a war boat. So he wasn't necessarily lying,

786
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,119
but he was probably lying about the extent of what

787
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,360
was actually on the boat to get them to blow

788
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:22,920
the boat up.

789
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: So this plays into and it's a little fuzzy because

790
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,119
it's been a little bit since I last read the book,

791
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,880
but in Moonchild he kind of sort of alludes to

792
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,679
starting a sort of you know, a world war or

793
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:41,920
a conflict of sorts, and kind of sort of hints

794
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,960
at these magicians pulling the strings behind the scenes to

795
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,079
have world events happened. So now that you're now that

796
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,480
you're telling me this, and I'm putting these pieces together

797
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:59,960
as to like, okay, so he was German centric like

798
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,079
kind of sort of putting on a facade, and that's

799
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,360
a bit confusing, that's a bit chaotic if you really

800
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,280
look at it, because it's like, hey, look at what

801
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,440
the right hand is doing, but not the left hand.

802
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,360
And this whole time, dude, I'm like, so I'm still

803
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,239
trying to process it because You're like's yeah, he's a

804
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,199
double agent of a double agent. It's like wait, wait what?

805
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,559
And then it one hundred percent fits into the whole

806
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,960
aspect of World War Two, where I've always said that

807
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,880
World War Two wasn't a cult war. I think World

808
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,559
War Two wasn't what they've told us. How do I

809
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:39,079
navigate these waters? I don't think that World War two?

810
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,960
How do I say this? We don't have the full

811
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,119
lowdown of World War Two? And I think that there

812
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,599
was more of occult stuff happening. And if you want

813
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:53,280
to believe the number that they present, right, if you

814
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,320
catch my drift and all this stuff, if you want

815
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,880
to believe that aspect of it, that's kind of sort

816
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,360
of biblical in a way. You know, those people that

817
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,960
were targeted are kind of sort of biblical in a way.

818
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:09,280
And in my opinion, I've never said what my true

819
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,239
theory was of that part of World War Two. Right,

820
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,000
it's gonna be on YouTube, so we gotta be careful

821
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:18,960
because they're always watching. But I don't know if you

822
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:26,559
did you ever see the show on HBO, the show

823
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:28,440
thirty Coins? Did you ever see that show?

824
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: I started watching, I loved it, and I don't know

825
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,039
what happened, and I got distracted. You and I were

826
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,000
talking about thirty coins recently. I'm sure it's a lot

827
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,679
easier for you because you speak the language, so I

828
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,559
have to read the subtitles. But it was good, like

829
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:48,079
I think I watched. I might have watched most of it.

830
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,360
I loved all of it like it was good. It

831
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,760
was really good, so I'm familiar with it.

832
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,119
Speaker 1: That show kind of fed into my theory as to

833
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:03,599
why our Adolph did all he did. I think that

834
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,519
he was after the Philosopher's Stone, and that would involve

835
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,800
the sacrifice of a large amount of people. Now you're

836
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,679
going to have people who don't buy that narrative. But

837
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,119
in this show, he was searching for something. He was

838
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,559
searching for the coins of Judas, and that's why he

839
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:25,840
gathered them all up. Because the elite of the elite,

840
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,880
which would have been them with all the money, would

841
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,039
have access to this, and that's what he was looking

842
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:32,920
for when he was wiping all these people out, taking

843
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,559
all their belongings and getting rid of them, because he

844
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,679
was looking for the coin. And if you have all

845
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,679
the coins, you get like supernatural powers and all this craziness.

846
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,280
But the fact that there is an occult aspect to

847
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:53,280
the Nazis and that they were looking for different relics

848
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,480
and all these things that you know, Himmler and his

849
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,039
whole posse, that they were going around looking for these

850
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:03,079
occult red of the spirit, Destiny, the what the hell's

851
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,840
the other one? I'm I'm sure they're looking for the

852
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,079
ark of the Covenant, what's the cup? The Holy Grail,

853
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:14,480
the Holy Grail, And that would make sense to where

854
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,599
here is this guy who's obsessed with the occult. Let's

855
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:23,800
put him in there, and you're gonna be in occultist right,

856
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,760
and you're gonna be in those circles to see what

857
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:31,440
they truly have figured out. And I mean the conspiracy

858
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,039
theories of the Nazis and the occult goes goes way deep.

859
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,519
Even in that show, they have the scene where they're

860
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,760
at the castle trying to open up a portal to Hell,

861
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,800
which is also another one of these conspiracy theories that

862
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,000
the Nazis were trying to open in Hell Boy. I

863
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
think in Hell Boy too they have that as well.

864
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: They did open the portal hell Boy too.

865
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: And all the demons and everything. So bro, I'm just saying,

866
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,800
like this is just opening up other avenues as to

867
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,679
even if because a part of me also believes that,

868
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,880
because we got to understand that he was also involved

869
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,719
the Parsons, which Parsons was more on the American side,

870
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,000
but he was keeping the the He was riding back

871
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,119
and forth. There were like pen pals, so he was

872
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:24,159
kind of keeping check on Parsons, which would make sense

873
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:28,360
as to report back to his superiors like, Hey, this

874
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,199
is what they're doing over there in the US at

875
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:38,360
the parsonage, which, again, Parsons, you got l Ron Hubbard,

876
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:41,559
you got a lot of influential people who are tied

877
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:45,679
up in this, and they know Crowley, so he was

878
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,360
like there again, he was probably there in a sort

879
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,000
of in a sort of pseudo handler away. He was

880
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,840
their handler in a way, and I'm sure he was

881
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,360
reporting back and telling him like, Yo, don't do the

882
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,880
homunculus stuff, don't do all this other crazy stuff that

883
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,440
you doing. And who knows, dude, if all of that

884
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:07,480
which we know for a fact that the occult uses

885
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:12,719
symbols to convey other messages, what if since the beginning

886
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,880
right alchemy, speaking in symbols within your own circle in

887
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,920
the occult, speaking in symbols within your own circle. Well,

888
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,280
what if when they're talking about occult rituals and all

889
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,719
these things, they're actually talking and alluding to something else.

890
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,760
What a better way to occult it than speak in

891
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,440
those terms that no one else is going to ever

892
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,599
know what you're talking about. Oh look, they're just trying

893
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,960
to do some necromancy or something, when in reality they're

894
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,039
speaking in code to each other. You know what I'm saying.

895
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: So absolutely, dude, and listen, Parsons was able to do

896
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,760
what Crowley couldn't do while he was here, was spread

897
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:51,559
the OTO out in the US because Crowley tried and

898
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,800
they did try to set up a chapter in Detroit.

899
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,039
And there's a lot of interesting stuff when it comes

900
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:03,679
to and C. S. Jones, his son quote unquote, that

901
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,480
was in Detroit trying to set up the OTO there

902
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:11,719
and it failed. And that was when Crowley was trying

903
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,000
to come out with his next version of The Equinox,

904
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,159
which he couldn't even get that off the ground because

905
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:22,280
he was having so much, so many money problems at

906
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,719
the time and that was kind of on the back

907
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:31,079
part of him leaving in nineteen nineteen. But I believe

908
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,400
while he was here in the States. I think it

909
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:40,000
was solely driven by British intelligence. I think everything he

910
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,840
did over here was connected to British intelligence. Now I

911
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,920
do think he deviated off from that, especially when it

912
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,719
came to some of the occult practices that he was

913
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,039
practicing and some of the rituals that he was doing,

914
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,559
some of the rituals that we don't really know what

915
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,360
he was doing, kind of like you know, he disappears

916
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:03,679
in the Mammoth Caves for X amount of time, we

917
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,840
have no idea what he was doing there. And this

918
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,360
was when he was trying to set the OTO in Detroit,

919
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,719
and he ended up leaving in nineteen nineteen. He said

920
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:17,480
because of prohibition, because he knew when prohibition was going

921
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:22,079
to be passed that that was going to cause more evil,

922
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,880
which is funny from the guy who they called the

923
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,000
evilst man on Earth. But that was one of the

924
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:31,320
reasons that he said, at least overtly, he wanted to leave.

925
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:34,199
But I think there were other reasons. I think that

926
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:40,719
that British intelligence needed him for other missions. And you know,

927
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,159
if we dig in a little bit, go a little

928
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,960
bit back to when he left Cambridge, and this is

929
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:52,920
kind of what we were talking about him becoming a

930
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,960
part of secret societies to keep tabs on men in

931
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:04,960
these secret societys per British intelligence, to then disrupt the

932
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,840
plans that might be against what the British have in mind.

933
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:15,599
And this is a very interesting story about that about

934
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:22,719
Crowley when he leaves this particular time and he is

935
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,960
deepened the occult at this point, and he's he just

936
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,840
get he just got a hold of the book of

937
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Black Magic and of Packs by author Edward Waite, and

938
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,880
so Crowley is fascinated with this book and all of

939
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,719
its suggestions of mystic brotherhoods ancient traditions. So he actually

940
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:53,480
writes Weight, seeking further guidance. So Weight responds and tells

941
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,280
him to take a look at the cloud on theistic

942
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:04,039
call van obscured, whom by an equally obscure eighteenth century

943
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:09,400
century German missed it. Carl von ek ek art Housen.

944
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:14,280
So Eckertthausen studied at a Jesuit university of Ingolstad under

945
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,679
Adam Weishaup. So we know Adam wisop is he started

946
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:25,039
the Bavarian Illuminati. And people wonder if Crowley knew who

947
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,360
Adam weisop was. I don't see why he wouldn't know

948
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,920
who he was, So I think that also gave him

949
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:39,719
this idea of secret societies and their importance to occult

950
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,280
practices that he was looking to follow. So at this

951
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,199
point he's looking to become a part of some sort

952
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,920
of secret society. So this is how he becomes a

953
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,320
part of the Golden Down. It's a very interesting story,

954
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,960
but if you look at it from the lens of

955
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,840
a secret agent, it makes a little more sense. How he,

956
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,960
on some just bizarre day, gets invited to become part

957
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:12,119
of the Golden Don. So he goes on a climbing

958
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:17,400
expedition to Switzerland, and he's at a lodge near Zermatt,

959
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:22,360
and he's talking to a bunch of guests and he's

960
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,519
talking loudly about alchemy. Now he's unaware that with an

961
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:29,840
earshot Julian Baker, who was a part of the Golden

962
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,440
Don at the time, and he's an accomplished chemist and

963
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:37,360
practicing alchemist and way more versed in alchemy than Crowley

964
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,519
ever was. So he hears him and later takes Crowley

965
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:44,079
aside to instruct him, and over the next few days

966
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:51,760
he asks Crowley to be his constant companion. So Croley

967
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,480
starts pressing him for more information, more information, and Baker

968
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,239
reveals that he's a part of this mystical society, the

969
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,519
Hermetic Order of the Golden Don promises to introduce Crowley

970
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:08,639
to other members when they return to London. Now, when

971
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,800
he gets back to London, he introduces them to George

972
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,719
Cecil Jones, and then he meets William Wynn Westcott, Florence Fair,

973
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,039
and William Butler Yeats, which, by the way, William Butler

974
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,440
Yeats and Crowley butted heads out the gate like they

975
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,519
could not stand each other. Matter of fact, even when

976
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:29,559
he was in the US, Yeats was writing people that

977
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:32,639
he knew new Crowley and was telling them not to

978
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:36,519
mess with Crowley. So they had just a lifelong beef

979
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,800
against each other. Now, who Crowley really wanted to meet though,

980
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:46,199
was Samuel Mathers. And Samuel Mathers was a British occultist,

981
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,199
a member of the Hermitic Order of the Golden Down,

982
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:53,719
and he actually was the patriarch of the Order. So

983
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:58,840
he gets to meet all these other guys through Baker,

984
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:02,800
but doesn't get to me met Mathers yet. They're kind

985
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:09,599
of holding back, holding back, holding back of him meeting them. Now,

986
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,639
the guys that are deep into the hermetic of the

987
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:18,960
Golden Down Order of the Golden Down are a part

988
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:24,559
of a group called the Jacobites. Now the Jacobites their

989
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:29,400
whole Now this is all political. They're what they call legitimates,

990
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:35,559
and the term is called legitimism and Legitimus or these

991
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:40,639
Jacobites was a society founded in eighteen ninety one and

992
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,280
the League was considered one of the key groups in

993
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,960
Neo Jacobite revival. So their whole idea was to support

994
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:50,519
the restoration of the House of Stuart to the thrones

995
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:54,400
of England, Scotland and Ireland. Now this is completely against

996
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,360
what the British want, but there were a lot of

997
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,400
Britain Britons who want this to happen. Now Crowley played

998
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,159
like he was a Jacobie. Obviously he would play these

999
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:15,960
roles consistently. Now he meets this guy called Bertram Ashburnham,

1000
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:19,079
and he was the fifth Earl of Ashburnham and he

1001
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:22,280
had a large estate in Wales. Now he was a

1002
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:26,760
major part of trying to bring about this Jacobite order.

1003
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,440
He had his own military training ground and there's no

1004
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,000
evidence that Ashburnham was a member of the Golden Don,

1005
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:38,239
but politics linked him to the ultra Jacobite. Who was

1006
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,880
Samuel Mathers, who I said, who did run the Order

1007
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,800
of the Golden Don, And he said he was the

1008
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,679
chosen mouthpiece of the Secret Chiefs. If you know anything

1009
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:50,199
about the Secret Chiefs, these are the inter dimensional beings,

1010
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:55,360
the Mahatmas, these inter plane Adepts, as they call him.

1011
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:58,679
These are the beings that are giving the knowledge to

1012
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,719
whoever is the ahead of whatever secret society. In this

1013
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:08,400
case it's the Order of the Golden Don. So Ashburnham

1014
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:14,000
and Mathers they viewed Jacobitism as a very serious, deadly

1015
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:18,440
business and they were looking for a regime change by

1016
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:24,079
armed rebellion if they could. Now there's another group called

1017
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,599
the Carlists, and they were of the same type of

1018
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:34,800
group as the Jacobites, and Ashburnham and Mathers were looking

1019
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:43,719
for a way to place a new leader in Spain

1020
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:48,800
at the time. Now, the Carlos believe that whoever ruled

1021
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,079
Spain had to be a descendant from Don Carlos Count

1022
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,760
Molina to be able to take over it. Now there

1023
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:01,119
was a Don Carlos of Spain at the time Don Miguel,

1024
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,840
and they wanted to put him in place there. So

1025
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,719
this was all done through the Order of the Golden

1026
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,960
Don because of Ashburnham and Mathers. Now Mathers obviously is

1027
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,159
running the Golden Done. Now you're gonna ask, you know,

1028
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,400
where does Crowley fit into all of this wall He

1029
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,400
fits a big piece into this because if Crowley, as

1030
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,719
we talked about before, is a secret agent, double agent,

1031
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,559
triple agent as he plays, he's been asked to infiltrate

1032
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:31,719
the Order of the Golden Don to stop this process

1033
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,480
of Don Carlos the Second from taking his what the

1034
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:40,280
Carlos think and the Jacobites think is his rightful place.

1035
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:47,239
But that doesn't jive with British, the British regime. They

1036
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,039
it's not going to work for them. They don't want

1037
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:53,480
him in place because obviously Spain's not going to operate

1038
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:56,480
with Britain the same way that they will once Don

1039
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,400
Carlos takes over, so they want to try to stop that.

1040
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,599
As a matter of back in Croley's confessions during this

1041
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:08,599
period of time, he says, in the service of Don Carlos,

1042
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,039
he obtained a commission to work a machine gun. Took

1043
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,639
pains to make myself a first class rifle shot and

1044
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:19,000
study drill tactics and strategy. So Crowley even talks about

1045
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,440
the fact that he is training to be an expert

1046
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:28,360
shot any definitely things that you would talk about if

1047
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,639
you were a secret agent. Obviously you're gonna have to

1048
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:33,239
be able to work your way around guns. I'm sure Croley,

1049
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,440
if he was actually a secret agent, was probably an

1050
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,239
excellent killer as well. You know, we don't know the

1051
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,800
extent of that part of it. But so the idea

1052
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,000
is that they're going to ship these guns to Spain

1053
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:55,679
to help with this process of the takeover. And there's

1054
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,800
this personal yacht of ash Burnham called the Firefly, and

1055
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,199
they loaded with all these rifles that were purchased in

1056
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:07,360
Germany and they go to dispatch them in Spain. When

1057
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,000
they get there, though, at the French port of Arcacon,

1058
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:18,359
they get stopped and the Spanish council demands that Frenchustin

1059
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,720
seize the vessel, and Crowley later writes the conspiracy was disclosed.

1060
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,600
He says that it was the information was released prior

1061
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,319
to it actually happening. Even Crazier on the boat was

1062
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:35,520
a See Alexander, which was one of Croley's mini aliases.

1063
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,359
If you know anything about Crowley, he had a list

1064
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,800
a mile long of aliases that he used in different

1065
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,159
places that he lived. Sometimes it was just an alias

1066
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:47,520
that he was just using for like when he was

1067
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,840
in Mexico, he went by Auroric when he was there.

1068
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,960
He went by a completely different name while he was

1069
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,279
down there. So in this case he was the See Alexander.

1070
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:04,960
He's literally on on the boat when this happens, and

1071
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,760
then later says that the conspiracies disclosed. Crazy enough, thirty

1072
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:15,279
years later, the Beast talks about the Spanish Escapade and

1073
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,279
the only thing he would say is there's a great

1074
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,199
more deal to the story, but I cannot tell it yet,

1075
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,319
And he said and basically revealing the fact that his

1076
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,720
true role in the hand of that boat being stopped

1077
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,840
with all those weapons that would have helped Carlos become

1078
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,159
the new Don Carlos in Spain was actually stopped because

1079
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:42,640
of Crowley infiltrating the Golden Don, getting tight with Mathers

1080
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,479
who ran the Golden Don, who was also friends with

1081
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,760
ash Burnham, and then he basically was an Asian evocator

1082
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,760
and stopped the whole thing.

1083
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: Listen, dude, here, let's go back to the Mathers talking

1084
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:04,720
to the buddy soopp for whoever he was talking to

1085
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,760
these the White Brotherhood or the whatever million names for him, Yeah,

1086
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,399
whatever you want to call him. Let's go off the

1087
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,319
deep end here really quick, because I'm making some connections

1088
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,760
that I don't know if they should be there or not.

1089
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,680
And it's it's just kind of flipping my worldview right now,

1090
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,000
warping my world view right now, real time. And I

1091
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,800
want to get your opinion on this because this is

1092
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:38,239
right up your alley. Okay, So the interdimensional connection, right,

1093
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:44,159
this is something that let's say that the occult is

1094
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:54,000
a gateway no pun, intended to intelligence, now intelligence in

1095
01:10:54,079 --> 01:11:00,039
the way of gathering information for other political entities, governmental entities,

1096
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,720
or intelligence of tapping into another realm, or if that's

1097
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,199
just code name for something else, right like who knows,

1098
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:13,960
but I did recently, I did a Patreon episode on

1099
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:20,840
Johann Veyer, which was a living student to Accorny. To this,

1100
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:28,000
Agrippa and Joha Veyer wrote the pseudo Monarchiam Demonum, which

1101
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:32,520
is a grim war with sixty nine demons and allegedly

1102
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,600
this is what paved the way for the Goisha of

1103
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:40,560
the seventy two Demons, which we have again various connections there.

1104
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,319
We have King Solomon's connection there. But it's interesting that

1105
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,479
a lot of occultists after the fact took the goaisha

1106
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,640
and turned it into an actual thing. Little did they know.

1107
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,720
And mind you, they're modeling after Veyer's work. The problem

1108
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,560
with Veyer's work was that he did it to troll people,

1109
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,680
and he did it in a way to kind of

1110
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,000
sort of make fun of satire, if you will, of

1111
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:13,199
the occult. Now why does this all matter, Well, he

1112
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:18,000
was a living student with Agrippa. Agrippa again another one

1113
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,960
of these occultists. I was putting out a whole bunch

1114
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,479
of stuff that kind of sort of had ties to

1115
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,159
John d He had ties to what you would call intelligence, right,

1116
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:29,640
he was working with emperors and kings. And there's something

1117
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,279
about the class of people. And I was listening to

1118
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:36,079
Diana Pasoko talk on a podcast recently where she was

1119
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:40,159
talking about that the class of people and the true

1120
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:43,680
secret societies were the people who were cleaning out the

1121
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,520
bedpans of like the king or the emperor, whoever it

1122
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,119
was because they had access to the most intimate parts

1123
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:53,800
of the wealthies life, the wealthy person's life, and they

1124
01:12:53,800 --> 01:13:01,079
could gather intelligence right on said emperor, whatever high governmental figure.

1125
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,119
And if you look at the role of like the

1126
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,880
occultists or the alchemists, they kind of sort of play

1127
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,800
that role too. They're not in the spotlight per se,

1128
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,479
but they're working in the core of whoever it is, right,

1129
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,640
So Queen Elizabeth and John d he's kind of sort

1130
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,880
of working. But if you really think about it, let's

1131
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,920
say that let's say a lot of these similar to

1132
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,920
the church. How you go and you give your confession

1133
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:24,920
to the pope or whoever it is, and they listen

1134
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,239
to you. They're getting all your dirt, bro right, You're

1135
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:32,840
telling them all your deepest, darkest secrets and there they

1136
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,039
got to remember, and they're reporting to somebody. Right, Oh,

1137
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:38,439
you're in a booth. They can't see you. It's like, well,

1138
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,840
I'm sure they know who you are. So if you

1139
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,119
keep that in mind, what is the shaman class or

1140
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,159
the occult class. What have they always done? They've always

1141
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,760
been sort of like that. The wealthier, the elite go

1142
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,079
to them like, hey, I have this problem, especially back

1143
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:57,520
then like, hey, I might be cursed. Can you break

1144
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,479
this curse for me?

1145
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

1146
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: What do you need? I need this information, this bodily

1147
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,720
fluid or whatever it is. So they're kind of sort

1148
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,079
of in that limelight too. And it goes back to

1149
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:14,720
so this whole idea of maybe the occult being a

1150
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,479
a gateway, right, So I'm sure that there's something legitimate

1151
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,680
about it, even if it is the perception of you

1152
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,840
manipulating reality reality, even if you're not, because that's the

1153
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,359
whole conspiracy behind their cult. Is there another world interlaced,

1154
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,079
you know, on top of ours? Are there demons? Are

1155
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,319
there angels? Can you control those said forces?

1156
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: Well?

1157
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: Trithemius the father of cryptography, right, he has this Stenographia,

1158
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,239
which is always interested in me because John Dee and

1159
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:46,760
a grip on all these guys, we are sort of

1160
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,359
in the same circle. Stenographia, which is his best well

1161
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:54,760
known work, is a three volume book that appears to

1162
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:59,960
be about angelic magic, but is actually an advanced treaty

1163
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:06,159
on cryptography and covert communication. This is the this is

1164
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:10,600
the father of cryptography, of encoding meanings and things that

1165
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,279
wouldn't otherwise have any meaning to anyone. Again, it goes

1166
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:18,840
about you know, you always read about only the initiates

1167
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:24,720
know what they're reading about. To the initiate, the text

1168
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,439
means something completely different. So if we take that into

1169
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,840
like an intelligence perspective and go okay, So for the initiate,

1170
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,520
like a Crolly or somebody else in his circle, hey,

1171
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,840
read this book on the Thelamide or whatever it is. Right,

1172
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,560
So all of his work comes into question as to

1173
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:46,560
was it legitimately a cult, was it legitimately magical, or

1174
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,800
was it encoding something much deeper than that that is

1175
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,359
about some sort of intelligence. So if you go down

1176
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:57,039
the right, so you've got stenographia, the practice of concealing

1177
01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:00,720
messages within other messages, a key technique in it spionage

1178
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:06,560
cipher systems. Uh Trithemius developed early cryptographic systems that influenced

1179
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,960
later European spy networks. Hidden messages. His books describe ways

1180
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,520
to encode messages within seemingly innocuous texts at or symbols,

1181
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,279
an essential tool for spies. Right, So if we if

1182
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:22,680
we talk about and this is just try trymetheus. Right,

1183
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,119
So I'm thinking I go, okay, whatever, Let's say that

1184
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:29,920
these guys paved the way for intelligence. Was he was

1185
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,399
Trimetheus a spy? Well, again, he might have been a spy.

1186
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,199
He was working with emperors and kings of his time. Okay, uh,

1187
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:41,640
And then I put here was Cornelius agrippa secret agent? Well,

1188
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,880
he was a diplomatic agent. He was again in that.

1189
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:48,640
In that circle he served as a core physician, lawyer,

1190
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,720
political advisor, again playing that role to nobles in France, Italy,

1191
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,560
Spain and Germany. He worked for Emperor Maximilian the First

1192
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,720
and later for the French Queen Mother Luis Louise of Savoy,

1193
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,840
both of whom were involved in major political intrigues, and

1194
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,600
as a lawyer and diplomat, he had often access to

1195
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,640
sensitive state affairs. So I'm reading and I'm going down.

1196
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,920
I go okay. So they were in those circles. As

1197
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,880
to if they were actual spies or now, that's up

1198
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,560
for debate. But again, if it quacks like a duck

1199
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,560
and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. So

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01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,479
so we have Trimetheus, we have a Cornelis agrip By,

1201
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,119
then we have John Vere which is in there right.

1202
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,079
So he was a living student, which was weird, like

1203
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,520
at the age of thirteen, or fourteen, bro, which is

1204
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:41,359
super weird whatever, who cares? So then I go, and

1205
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:44,119
this is where I want to talk to you about this,

1206
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:51,039
because did King Solomon have spies? Because King Solomon is

1207
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:55,119
the father of right, the Gaatia, right, people like, oh

1208
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:57,720
it was King Solomon, ce you that can control all

1209
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,680
these demons and everything. I go, So apparently he did

1210
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,079
have a network of spies, informants and diplomatic envoys. And

1211
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:11,359
then I put in, I put in you mentioned the

1212
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:14,800
that would you say the Jacobeans? Is that what you

1213
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:15,439
call them?

1214
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 2: Jacobites?

1215
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 1: The Jacobites?

1216
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: Right?

1217
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,039
Speaker 1: So I put secret agents in the Bible, and I

1218
01:18:22,079 --> 01:18:24,239
wanted to just run some of these past you because

1219
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:28,239
again I'm not confirming. This is Chadgpt talking. I'm not

1220
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,000
confirming any information yet. This is just a tip of

1221
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,760
the iceberg bro right. So the twelve Spies of Moses

1222
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,159
and numbers thirteen. He sent twelve spies, one from each

1223
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:42,000
Israelite tribe into Canan to assess the land before attempting

1224
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:42,680
to conquer it.

1225
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 2: So when that happened was when they had left Egypt

1226
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:53,079
and Moses came with twelve spies and they just got

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01:18:53,079 --> 01:19:02,640
the Canaan and it was Caleb and our guy. The

1228
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,880
other spy was it'll hit me in a second, So

1229
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,479
they were spies. So yeah, he sent spies in. And

1230
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,520
the reason why they didn't go into the Promised Land

1231
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,560
initially was because when they go in there, and there's

1232
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a verse in the Bible, it's the only the second

1233
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,760
time in the Bible that the word Nephelim's even used.

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01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:21,920
When they go in there, I'm getting they see they

1235
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,439
see the sons of Anak, which are tall, is that

1236
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,960
they look like grasshoppers in their sight, is what the

1237
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:31,920
verse in the Bible says. And they were of the Nepheleine,

1238
01:19:32,319 --> 01:19:36,800
and that's in Deuteronomy. So when they get back, the

1239
01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:41,680
ten of the spies go to Moses and say, no, man,

1240
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,239
we're gonna die. There's giants all in there that we

1241
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:51,039
can't do anything. And the other two spies tell Moses, no,

1242
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:52,600
we can. With the power of God, we can go

1243
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,359
in there and take them out. But the problem is

1244
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,880
the majority said no, and they hyped up the majority

1245
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,000
of the Israelites, so they ended up wandering the wilderness

1246
01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:03,239
for forty years. God wouldn't even let him in there until

1247
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:05,760
all the men that didn't want to go to battle,

1248
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,560
died and they had a new crop of men. So

1249
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,840
after forty years they go back in there and they

1250
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,680
end up taking out all the giants at that point,

1251
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,399
which is like og and si On his brother and

1252
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,600
all these other refinem at that time. So that was

1253
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,359
the initial point of the twelve spies going in there.

1254
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:30,760
Two of them were okay with it, but the other

1255
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,760
ten hyped up the whole lot of the Israelites and

1256
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,439
then they ended up so not even getting in there

1257
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:37,079
for forty.

1258
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:42,119
Speaker 1: Years mission reconnaissance right to gather information, we got Rajab

1259
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:48,239
and the spies of Jericho mission covert infiltration. Before attacking Jericho,

1260
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:54,560
josh Ha sent two spies to scout the city, right, So.

1261
01:20:55,199 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 2: Rahab and she was in this city of Jericho where

1262
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:09,600
there were giants as well. So the two spies sneak

1263
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:14,079
in and she protects them, She keeps them away from

1264
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:18,560
the enemies there, and she gets them out safely because

1265
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:19,920
they are going in there to see, you know, what

1266
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,640
they're dealing with. Before you know, they send Joshua back.

1267
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,560
It's Joshua and Caleb, those are the two spies, by

1268
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,720
the way. Earlier, it's Joshua so Joshua and the Walls

1269
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,600
of Jericho, you know the story. They march around the

1270
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,560
walls of Jericho seven times and.

1271
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,319
Speaker 1: It falls for God.

1272
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:40,279
Speaker 2: So the deal is they tell her to leave this

1273
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:45,239
red rope out of her window, and if she leaves

1274
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:47,239
the red rope out of her window, she and her

1275
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:49,840
family will survive, which they do. She leaves the red

1276
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,720
rope out of the window, all the walls fall but

1277
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:59,720
where she's located, and she survives. Interestingly enough, Rayhab is

1278
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,640
one one of the few women that has been talked

1279
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,199
about is being in the lineage of Jesus himself. So

1280
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:11,119
she was actually a part of this line of David

1281
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:15,000
or pre David. So she was a prostitute, which also

1282
01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:18,399
lends to the idea that, you know, God's grace and

1283
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,560
glory like far surpasses anything else. And I find it interesting.

1284
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,600
There's a lot of like sordid people who find their

1285
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,319
way back to God who are a part of this

1286
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,079
lineage of Jesus that's coming. But she's actually a part

1287
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:31,039
part of the lineage of Jesus as well.

1288
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:37,079
Speaker 1: I know that part's that's super interesting we have here, right.

1289
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:42,159
So the next one David's espionage network to Samuel fifteen

1290
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:48,720
seventeen Mission Counterintelligence and Deception, the Rebellion of Absalom David

1291
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,520
planet spies and informants in absence court. So we have that. There,

1292
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,239
we have joe AB's use of female agent two Samuel

1293
01:22:57,279 --> 01:23:02,560
fourteen one to twenty, Psychological manipula relation David's general Joab

1294
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,359
recruited a wise woman from Takoa to act as an

1295
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:12,359
undercover agent. We have Nehemiah's counterintelligence efforts. Nehemiah am I

1296
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:19,239
saying that right? Six, how do you say, neemayah uh?

1297
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:22,199
Then we have Herad and the Magi. We have Judas

1298
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:28,039
Iscarat and the betrayer's spy. So he acted as Judas

1299
01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:28,960
is Scariot.

1300
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 2: That's the Judas.

1301
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,319
Speaker 1: That's that is the Judas. Right, So he says here

1302
01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:34,600
he acted as an informed for the chief pre secretly

1303
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,560
negotiatd the betrayal of Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.

1304
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,520
He spied on Jesus movement and led temple guards to

1305
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,920
arrest him at night of voting, avoiding public resistance. His

1306
01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:49,319
role fits the profile of a double agent. So all right,

1307
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,199
A lot of spies in the Bible, dude, A lot

1308
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:57,479
of espionage, a lot of reconnaissance.

1309
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: A lot of war that went on in the lot

1310
01:23:59,039 --> 01:23:59,359
of war.

1311
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,079
Speaker 1: So here's where it gets interesting, right.

1312
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: That's just I'm curious where you're going.

1313
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:09,520
Speaker 1: Let's just cook a little bit more. Let's just cook

1314
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,159
a little bit more, bro please, because this is where

1315
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:14,039
i want to get your take on it. Because I'm

1316
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:18,399
like going back to the Mather stuff talking to interdimensionals

1317
01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:22,439
and reporting back to them or whatever, the grays, the

1318
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:28,800
grays or whatever. What is the nephilum connection to intelligence

1319
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,399
and spine? And if you look at the nephilum, right,

1320
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,520
if we take all of what we've talked about into perspective, right,

1321
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,039
just let's just take everything we've talked about into perspective

1322
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,239
as a way of collecting information, as a way of

1323
01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:48,840
manipulating geopolitical events, global events, which I think the Nephilim

1324
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,439
are at the center of a lot of those, right, Yeah,

1325
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:58,239
the Nephilum, this is according to chat GPT and we're

1326
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:01,319
just gonna talk about a little bit more. They have

1327
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:04,000
connections to intelligence, espionage and secret knowledge, right. That was

1328
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,920
the whole thing about the Nephilm. They were passing on

1329
01:25:06,319 --> 01:25:10,079
secret knowledge to the daughters of men and doing things

1330
01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:14,119
of that nature right Genesis six one through four. They

1331
01:25:14,119 --> 01:25:17,199
were described as the offspring of the sons of God

1332
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,560
ben at Eloheim and human women, often interpreted as fallen

1333
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,079
angel angels, hybrid giants, or powerful rulers that were known

1334
01:25:25,119 --> 01:25:28,920
for their strength, wisdom, and influence. Some traditions depict them

1335
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,560
as keepers of hidden knowledge, which could extend to intelligence gathering, espionage,

1336
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:38,560
and secret warfare. Right, so they had in the Book

1337
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,319
of Enoch, and they knew about weapon making, war strategies, alchemy, magic, astronomy,

1338
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:49,640
celestial movements, sorcery. They were like the top dogs when

1339
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,359
it came to warfare. I mean, that's what they were

1340
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:54,319
known for, right, weren't these guys known for their warfare?

1341
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:57,600
They were some of the greatest warriors that there ever was.

1342
01:25:58,399 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: So like, the initial connection in Enoch was the Watchers,

1343
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,039
which are the fallen angels.

1344
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:13,039
Speaker 1: Think about that, Joel, The Watchers they're always watching collect Hey.

1345
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 2: You know what's even funnier if you know of the

1346
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:22,600
Marvel universe, and even with the Marvel movies, there is

1347
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,359
a group of beings called the Watchers and they watch

1348
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:32,039
but they don't interact. And in the multiverse there's one

1349
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:40,359
particular watch Marvel. There's one particular Watcher in the multiverse

1350
01:26:41,039 --> 01:26:43,960
saka stuff that's going on right now. He actually gets involved.

1351
01:26:44,319 --> 01:26:48,319
He can't allow the multiverse to die out, so he

1352
01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:51,920
starts pulling different heroes from different universes and creates a

1353
01:26:52,039 --> 01:26:57,119
multiversal Avengers, which is actually a cartoon that's on the

1354
01:26:57,159 --> 01:26:59,439
Disney Channel right now. I think it went three seasons

1355
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:00,199
that it ended.

1356
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 1: Of course, right Disney. So but here's what I'm struggling with.

1357
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:10,880
So we have the Nephilim and ancient sp that's gonna

1358
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,199
be hold on nephil And that's good. This is gonna

1359
01:27:14,199 --> 01:27:17,800
be a title Ancient Espionage, Nephilim, Ancient espionage.

1360
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: Bro.

1361
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: That's the time that's a title I have. I've ever

1362
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,960
done seen one. So the spy sent to uh Kannan,

1363
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:26,840
how you said in the Nephilim, when Moses spies, right,

1364
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,439
they sent them. They're like, hey, the Canaan, they're like

1365
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,279
grasshoppers in our site, blah blah blah. Right. The Watchers

1366
01:27:34,279 --> 01:27:36,399
as observers and spies. The Fallen Angels in the Book

1367
01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:39,359
of Narch are called watchers, which implies that their role

1368
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:43,800
involves surveillance and observants Nephilim, secret societies, the idea of

1369
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,600
nephilone passed down forbidden knowledge, nephil and modern intelligence theories,

1370
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,079
the cult war, for psychological operations. But here's what I'm

1371
01:27:52,119 --> 01:27:55,239
not understanding. Right, So we have the Nephilim as ancient

1372
01:27:55,319 --> 01:28:00,640
spy masters, right, there were observers monitoring human actions, activities.

1373
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:05,079
They shared secret war strategies and hidden knowledge. But what

1374
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:08,239
I'm not understanding is where we get this aspect of

1375
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:12,800
them being you know, like interdimensional and we have the

1376
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,520
flood that wipe them all out, and then the spirits

1377
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,680
of the Nephilom are the ones that are the demons

1378
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,199
and all this other stuff. I'm just trying to I'm

1379
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:24,079
just trying to bridge that connection as to like where

1380
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,800
and all because again, and that's the part of the

1381
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,600
occult where I believe there's some there might be some

1382
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,239
truth to it. Right now, my faking gay radar is

1383
01:28:33,279 --> 01:28:35,560
like leaning more towards fake and gay, like the occult

1384
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,199
is like leaning towards one side and not saying that

1385
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:43,399
there isn't something there. But you get what I'm saying.

1386
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,079
It's like all the evidence out that I've looked into

1387
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,239
Crowley being one of them where the occult has always

1388
01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:54,920
been intertwined with these guys. Even you got even William

1389
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:00,600
Shakespeare being a secret agent, right, And then I put here, uh,

1390
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,119
who was Jacob in the Bible? Was he a spy?

1391
01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:07,680
Because you mentioned the the Jacob people there that that

1392
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,520
were with the magic and all them. Turns out he

1393
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:20,279
was later renamed Israel. Which wasn't Epstein connected to Masad

1394
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:24,560
and all those people as well? Isn't that their secret

1395
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,720
organization in Israel?

1396
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was definitely connecting from Assade for a long time.

1397
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,960
And you know Jacob. The story of Jacob is very

1398
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,600
interesting too because of his connection with Esau, his brother. Yes,

1399
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:42,079
Esau breaks out and creates the Edomites. The Edomites are,

1400
01:29:43,359 --> 01:29:47,520
for all intents and purposes, were connected directly to the Nephelene.

1401
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,199
You know, some people think that Esau was the first

1402
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:52,680
big Foot. You know, people talk about that all the time.

1403
01:29:52,840 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: So that story Joel reconnaissance, disguise and deception, classic espionage tactic,

1404
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,760
which was Jacob. Right. So so you have that connection

1405
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,920
there as well with Esau and all them. And again

1406
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:12,640
it goes, it goes, it goes deep, bro and then

1407
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,399
you know you have so I'm like, okay, right, so

1408
01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:20,560
we have this interdimensional demonic aspect of the nephilum. How

1409
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,720
could we work that in? Right? So we're and the

1410
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:31,600
common denominator here is the Bible. Right right now? We

1411
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,359
have multiple translations and multiple sources for the Bible, or

1412
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:40,359
we have various texts, some saying that they're the originals,

1413
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,239
the other one says that they're the originals. Some say

1414
01:30:43,279 --> 01:30:45,640
that that's a translation of the other one. We don't

1415
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,720
really know who came first, right, I think it's the

1416
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,399
Maseratic text. Is that? Is that the one that's that

1417
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,079
is the official one? Or was it the u Is

1418
01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:55,560
it the sept two Agen is the other one?

1419
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about the ot right, and then you're

1420
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,800
talking about the Septuogen the New Testament.

1421
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,199
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just talking

1422
01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:06,880
about the origins of the Bible and the text itself.

1423
01:31:08,079 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 2: I believe the first Greek translation of the New Testament

1424
01:31:13,079 --> 01:31:15,319
if I'm correct, and I know the Sciaticus was right

1425
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:15,840
after that.

1426
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 1: So the debate is was it in Hebrew first or

1427
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,000
was it in Greek? Anyways, you got what I'm saying, Like,

1428
01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:24,279
there's debates if.

1429
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 2: You get the Amin Hillman route. You know, he thinks

1430
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,119
to step two event was the very first thing, and

1431
01:31:29,159 --> 01:31:33,039
then the Hebrews wrote after that, which I find absolutely ridiculous.

1432
01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: So all William Shakespeare, right, if we take into account

1433
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,520
Williams Shakespeare and the King James version of the Bible

1434
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:52,119
and all these guys, well, William Shakespeare was also said

1435
01:31:52,119 --> 01:31:55,439
to have been a secret agent as well during his time,

1436
01:31:56,079 --> 01:31:58,840
and if we look back at the Francis Bacon connection,

1437
01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:02,680
him maybe being William Shakespeare or whatever, you know, the

1438
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:06,920
whole conspiracy, is it a possibility that they could have

1439
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,279
put some of this espionage stuff in there again part

1440
01:32:11,319 --> 01:32:14,359
of their intelligence work. I don't know. I'm just trying

1441
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:16,359
to draw a bridge, you get what I'm saying. I'm

1442
01:32:16,359 --> 01:32:22,520
trying to where the uh, the interdimensionalism and all this

1443
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,920
stuff of the of the Watchers coming into play, because

1444
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,720
it always seems like every single religion, if you will,

1445
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:36,720
has this same aspect there is a higher level outside

1446
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:42,000
of reality influencing reality, and then there's always middleman between that.

1447
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:46,359
Like they're talking, were they actually talking to interdimensionals or

1448
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,279
was it a higher up that they just called an

1449
01:32:48,319 --> 01:32:52,520
interdimensional to be like hey, you know Uh, we were

1450
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,239
talking to the watchers. Where you get you get where

1451
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:57,439
I'm going with this, bro like.

1452
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,239
Speaker 2: And if you look at it from just it's a

1453
01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:03,520
straight humanistic standpoint, it's very possible. And I'm not saying

1454
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,000
that it's not possible.

1455
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the I'm just saying I get where.

1456
01:33:08,359 --> 01:33:11,199
Speaker 2: You're going with it, and I don't think. Here's what

1457
01:33:11,239 --> 01:33:18,239
I do know. So Crowley's Confessions, which was his diary

1458
01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:22,439
he wrote in sporadically. He would write for like a

1459
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,600
year straight, then all of a sudden be a month missing,

1460
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:28,960
and then he would just pick it up like nothing happened.

1461
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,600
And this happened specifically in Mexico. And this is when

1462
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,399
he was doing a lot of deep work in Mexico,

1463
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,560
and I was getting into that anyway, So like, I'll

1464
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,880
just shift to that part. So basically, he hits New

1465
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:48,840
York Thursday, July fifth, nineteen hundred. Both as he's pulling

1466
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:53,880
in there, there was a massive boat oil explosion, so

1467
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,479
like the docks are all burning. New York's kind of

1468
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,960
burning when he gets there. So he spends about three

1469
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:04,920
days there and he writes in his diary his Confessions

1470
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,479
that he's super hot, and he's just you know, he's

1471
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,600
being dramatic. So he gets on the train, he gets

1472
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,199
down to Mexico. And this is when like the real

1473
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:19,319
fund starts when he gets to Mexico, because this is

1474
01:34:19,359 --> 01:34:25,560
when he really starts operating on more of an occult

1475
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:30,359
level than he has before. Now, the initial reason why

1476
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:34,159
he said he was going to Mexico was to spread

1477
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:41,359
the Golden Dawn the order in Mexico. It didn't make

1478
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:43,479
a lot of sense though, because he never once tried

1479
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,720
to do any work there to do that. The old

1480
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,079
time he's there, he's not even once trying to do that.

1481
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:54,960
Now while he's there, he loves it. He goes to

1482
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,960
Mexico City. He loves the way that people drank liquor

1483
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:03,760
to get drunk. He loves the gambling, the sex, and

1484
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:08,439
he likes the way that they look at their Catholic faith. Right,

1485
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,079
he doesn't like Christianity or anything to do with it,

1486
01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:13,279
but he loves the way that they do it because

1487
01:35:13,279 --> 01:35:17,359
they're loving life, basically loving life and not really caring.

1488
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,279
I guess about the Bible that they're reading. They're just

1489
01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:21,479
doing whatever. And I guess they're going to confession on Sunday,

1490
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,399
and you know they're okay now Peripherio Diaz who was

1491
01:35:26,399 --> 01:35:32,560
the president at the time, and that's important. Crowley states

1492
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,359
in his confessions that he loves him, thinks he's one

1493
01:35:36,359 --> 01:35:38,479
of the best presidents ever that he's ever met in

1494
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:43,239
any country, and he's just all about it now while

1495
01:35:43,279 --> 01:35:48,680
he's there. This is in his diaries. He what starts

1496
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:53,159
showing up in his diaries are his magical practices. He

1497
01:35:53,239 --> 01:35:57,640
starts exploration of the athers, these interplane territories ruled by

1498
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:02,399
angelic figures of all these different characteristics, and they were

1499
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:08,680
delineated from John d and Edward Kelly. And Crowley says

1500
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:13,600
in his diaries that he has limited initiation, which is

1501
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,640
giving him limited access. So while he's there, he's training

1502
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:25,239
himself to learn the ritual of self initiation while he's there,

1503
01:36:25,279 --> 01:36:29,760
so he's initiating himself in these practices. He learns the

1504
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:35,439
correct spelling of Abrahadabra, and he learns the jamatria and

1505
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:41,199
the numerology that's equated to abrahadabra, which is four eighteen.

1506
01:36:41,239 --> 01:36:47,159
Anybody that wants to know that. And he says again

1507
01:36:47,319 --> 01:36:51,479
that he's leaning into bringing the Golden down there. He's

1508
01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:55,520
that's just on the surface right Now, he meets this

1509
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,760
guy called Don Jesus de Medina and he's a fellow

1510
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:04,119
Holtist and leading figure in Mexican Scottish Rite freemasonry. He

1511
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:07,439
actually brings Crowley in and Crowley becomes a thirty third

1512
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:13,520
degree Scottish Rite Freemason in Mexico, which is funny because

1513
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,039
he was swooped right in to become a thirty third

1514
01:37:17,079 --> 01:37:20,239
degree Scottish Right freemason in Mexico, but he was denied

1515
01:37:20,279 --> 01:37:23,960
access in the States, and that's why he hated Freemasons

1516
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,720
in the States. They didn't want really anything to do

1517
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,479
with him. He didn't want anything to do with them

1518
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:32,680
after they basically snubbed him. And I get it because

1519
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:36,640
everywhere else he went he was allowed in. Now he

1520
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:41,199
and Don Hasu's form this society called the Lamp of

1521
01:37:41,239 --> 01:37:45,800
the Invisible Light. It's their own secret society. While while

1522
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,880
they're there so part of this creation of this secret society,

1523
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,560
Crowley starts doing all these rituals. Of course, he's still

1524
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:01,199
trying to perform this operation of the sacred magic of

1525
01:38:01,239 --> 01:38:04,159
abramellon ma Age. He's he hasn't figured it out yet

1526
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:06,319
He does figure it out later on when he gets

1527
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:09,800
back in England, but he does not figure it out yet.

1528
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,199
And but part of that is him learning knowledge and

1529
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:18,680
conversation with Holy Guardian, Holy Guardian Angels and higher and

1530
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,640
divine genius how to connect to what you were just

1531
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,600
talking about these other entities, because at this point he

1532
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,520
hasn't really figured any of this out yet, and this

1533
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,319
is far before the Book of the Law in him

1534
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:33,680
meeting Iowa, so he hasn't even met his personal Holy

1535
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:38,119
Guardian Angel yet. But as a part of these rituals,

1536
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:44,479
and this is all in his diaries, he tries to

1537
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:51,359
start summoning and invoking these Abramellon classification of four princes

1538
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:55,560
of the demons Lucifer, Leviath and Satan and Bellile and

1539
01:38:55,680 --> 01:39:02,159
eight sub princes Astaroth, Maggot, Asthmo, d Beelzebub, Orions, paymon

1540
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,079
Eraton and Amion, and all of them were subject to

1541
01:39:07,159 --> 01:39:09,800
the will of the Lord of the Universe. Now he

1542
01:39:10,119 --> 01:39:13,880
and Don Hayesu's are doing or trying to invoke these

1543
01:39:14,039 --> 01:39:18,560
entities in their mourning invocations. And this is a part

1544
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:23,000
of this invisible Light, this order of the invisible Light

1545
01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:29,439
that they're trying to bring these entities to fruition, try

1546
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,960
to connect these entities to try to get these things

1547
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,560
to happen. Now, Hazus was super impressed with his knowledge

1548
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,239
of the Kabbalah, and Crowley actually spelled it with a

1549
01:39:39,319 --> 01:39:42,239
Q and I found that interesting, especially if we want

1550
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:45,640
to tie it into QAnon and some of the things

1551
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,800
that went through that, right, So I think that there's

1552
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:53,359
definitely a correlation there as well. But it's very important

1553
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:58,520
that he joined this Order of Freemasonry at the thirty

1554
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,600
third degree with Don Hayesus because we just brought up

1555
01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:13,439
the president who was one second, sorry about that, remember

1556
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:18,600
his name either, so Dis yeah, so Das, And part

1557
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:24,079
of him joining this order of Freemasonry to meet with

1558
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:31,079
Peripheral Daz was to buddy buddy up with him because England,

1559
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:37,319
who was changing over how they fueled their boats from

1560
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:43,199
coal to oil, they needed the oil to be able

1561
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:45,560
to create the petroleum to be able to do this.

1562
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:51,359
So Crowley gets with Peripheral Daz and d As actually

1563
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:58,159
brokers the deal right after that with the heads over

1564
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:04,000
in the intel apartments or just the head over this

1565
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:10,960
section of patrol him and all that and connects them together,

1566
01:41:11,159 --> 01:41:13,079
and they broke her the deal. They got the deal

1567
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:14,880
over the US, they got the deal over all these

1568
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:16,800
other countries that were trying to get it because this

1569
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,760
time was very hot. You wanted oil because oil could

1570
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,399
do a lot for you. And if you're changing over

1571
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,840
the fuel systems in your boats, this is what you

1572
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:30,239
want to do. Funny enough, right after that deal's done,

1573
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:35,600
Crowley's gone, leaves Mexico. He doesn't even stay around. He's gone.

1574
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:42,000
But I think this is that classic duality. I believe

1575
01:41:42,039 --> 01:41:43,880
he literally was there. I think he was trying to

1576
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,319
invoke these entities. He talks about it in his diaries.

1577
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:50,720
Now you're wondering how I want to tie it into

1578
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:54,560
what you just said. I believe that in his diaries

1579
01:41:54,800 --> 01:42:05,279
that he did have knowledge that was specifically for secret intelligence.

1580
01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:08,000
And I think that some of what you were just

1581
01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:11,119
talking about, some of these magical invocations and some of

1582
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:15,239
that did have that layered in. That has been suggested

1583
01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:18,840
even by Richard B. Spence, that if somebody was to

1584
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,840
find his diaries, that they there was nothing in it

1585
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,520
outside of occult knowledge.

1586
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 1: And hey, I'm cryptography, bro.

1587
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm just doing my thing. I'm climbing mountains right, talking

1588
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,039
to angels. But there would be these big gaps, like

1589
01:42:35,079 --> 01:42:36,840
when he was in Mexico, there was this one gap

1590
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,920
for like a month and a half to two months,

1591
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:40,359
and then all of a sudden, he just picks it

1592
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,039
up and starts writing again, like it was the next day,

1593
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,520
but it's not, it's two months later. What happened during

1594
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,119
that gap of time? What's going on there? So he

1595
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:50,039
would just go off the map a lot. And I

1596
01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:54,560
think those were times when he was legitimately on certain missions.

1597
01:42:55,279 --> 01:42:58,399
And I do think that he was very careful with

1598
01:42:58,399 --> 01:43:01,159
what he wrote in his diary because if somebody was

1599
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:02,760
to get a hold of his diaries that was a

1600
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,960
part of some other intelligence group, you wouldn't want them

1601
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,399
to know what it was. But I do believe in

1602
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,920
those diaries, if someone in his organization had read them,

1603
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:18,079
there were probably things layered in that would have been deciphered.

1604
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,600
And it may have been deciphered too if something happened

1605
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:22,600
to him, you know, if he died or something like that,

1606
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:26,560
within those layers that was there. Listen, this is what

1607
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,640
I honestly think about Crowley. One. I honestly believe he

1608
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,680
was an occultist. I honestly believe he was deeply involved

1609
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:35,319
in magic, and I think he was very good at it.

1610
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:37,239
I don't think he was a charlatan to that extent.

1611
01:43:37,359 --> 01:43:41,119
I think he loved it, but I do think that

1612
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:43,239
he was still a charlatan too. I think he was

1613
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,399
also a triple agent, so I do think that that's

1614
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:50,079
there too. So we're never really gonna know the truth, right,

1615
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:53,279
We're just gonna have these pieces of his life and

1616
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,960
slowly piece some of that together and speculate. That's all

1617
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,680
we can do. Listen, we've got our own federal government

1618
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:06,039
telling Richard B. Spence that we're not giving you anything

1619
01:44:06,039 --> 01:44:08,279
on Crowley. He didn't even said he didn't have it.

1620
01:44:08,359 --> 01:44:11,760
We're just not going to give it to you. They

1621
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:13,960
had a lot, They have stuff on him. We know

1622
01:44:14,079 --> 01:44:15,960
for a fact, I just showed you the slip. We

1623
01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:20,359
know that MI I five or six had paperwork on him.

1624
01:44:20,399 --> 01:44:23,600
We don't know what it was. It disappeared when they

1625
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,640
were you know, O fell out.

1626
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,079
Speaker 1: I don't know redacted. And think about this, bro, so

1627
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:33,159
you're talking about what a better way than to hide

1628
01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:37,319
and you know, hidden in plain sight. So it looks

1629
01:44:37,359 --> 01:44:40,560
really bad if you have a foreign power sending and

1630
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:45,039
establishing a military base on your land. But hey, it's

1631
01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:51,479
just a secret society, freedom of religion, right, absolutely, right,

1632
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:54,279
And it just so happens to be that the people

1633
01:44:54,319 --> 01:44:57,239
who run the country just so happened to be also

1634
01:44:57,319 --> 01:44:59,920
involved in this stuff. If it is bullshit or not,

1635
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,600
we don't know, right. I think maybe they thought that

1636
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:06,319
there were magicians and when in reality, I'm sure he

1637
01:45:06,399 --> 01:45:08,880
was invoking these things and nothing was happening. Oh well,

1638
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,800
let's just move on, right. It's like, so, what a

1639
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,720
better way than to infiltrate a government than by masquerading

1640
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,000
as even a church bro like any other, any church

1641
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:24,000
that you know that, which I'm sure we just read

1642
01:45:24,039 --> 01:45:26,840
Biblical espionage and there's been books written on the whole

1643
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:30,800
thing too, I mean, hidden in plain sight. And and

1644
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:32,399
it goes back to what I said at the beginning,

1645
01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:38,800
where the lethal knowledge and the esoteric and forbidden knowledge

1646
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,439
isn't like, hey, you know how to invoke bills above

1647
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,560
or whatever. It's like, no, I saw the president of

1648
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,800
such country doing x y z to x y z,

1649
01:45:50,079 --> 01:45:53,079
and I've got a video of it that will get

1650
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:57,920
you killed. Not or a I invoke bales above and

1651
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,279
I have the formula of the goetic formula. How to

1652
01:46:00,319 --> 01:46:03,159
do that? Maybe that's code for what I just said, like, hey,

1653
01:46:03,239 --> 01:46:08,399
we got the formula of all or whatever, you know,

1654
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,560
invoking It's like, I got it. You just move on,

1655
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,239
you know, you seal the deal and you move on.

1656
01:46:14,359 --> 01:46:19,840
The point is that these governmental entities are using this

1657
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:25,079
is a facade. Oh shit, look at that. The government

1658
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:31,239
just knocked over my my mind. Dude, We're getting too

1659
01:46:31,239 --> 01:46:42,279
close to the truth. Bro, Dude, you saw it was okay.

1660
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,840
So anyways, yeah, dude, you just opened up a can

1661
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,479
of worms. And I'm looking at this from a whole

1662
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,880
different perspective, and they're trying to silence me right now

1663
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:52,760
by knocking my.

1664
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 2: And I agree with you on and I've definitely been

1665
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,000
down that road mentally with how I thought about a

1666
01:46:59,039 --> 01:47:03,479
lot of this, because, to be honest with you, when

1667
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:07,279
I really got back into studying Crawley about two years ago,

1668
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:12,079
I really took the occulted part out and just started

1669
01:47:12,119 --> 01:47:16,760
looking at the man and just the machinations of a

1670
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,640
normal human being, right or what we would consider a normy.

1671
01:47:20,199 --> 01:47:22,640
And I started looking at some of those things as

1672
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,279
I was looking into him being a secret agent, and

1673
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:30,479
I totally agree with you. I just personally think that

1674
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,800
there is a magic occult side of it too. I

1675
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,199
think it's married together, and I do think that you

1676
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:43,960
are spot on with some of those, especially his diary,

1677
01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:46,720
and we're just talking about anybody else that's a part

1678
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:50,239
of the quote unquote occult world. And then a secret

1679
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:53,840
agent that they probably got some sort of codex or

1680
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:57,119
something that's written in the spaces, written in the lines

1681
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,600
that they could literally be doing two things it once.

1682
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,319
Speaker 1: They could be talking about and that's the thing.

1683
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Invoking something seriously. But at the same time, how about this.

1684
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:12,600
We know that governments since we were just talking about

1685
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:14,880
the Book of Edoch, but we know about governments being

1686
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:19,039
connected to quote unquote interdimensional beings and all this stuff anyway,

1687
01:48:19,399 --> 01:48:21,960
So why wouldn't it be a marriage of both. Why

1688
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,520
wouldn't it be the combination of both if there's a

1689
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,319
way to be able to do both at the same time,

1690
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,840
and still if somebody picked it up, have no clue

1691
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,560
what's going on. But that's the ultimate that's the ultimate.

1692
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:36,239
Speaker 1: Level up and think about it, dude. It's because I

1693
01:48:36,279 --> 01:48:40,000
think we focus on like this compartmentalization of all these

1694
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,640
different aspects, like when people study John Dee, they just

1695
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:46,640
study as a cult. They don't study his political they

1696
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:50,159
don't study his geographical influence. They do And it's like

1697
01:48:50,279 --> 01:48:53,000
how you're saying, they're all married together, and you just

1698
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,399
got to be able to step back and go, wait

1699
01:48:54,399 --> 01:48:56,199
a minute, let's look at a little bit of this,

1700
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:57,600
a little bit of that, and a little bit of that,

1701
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,800
and it starts and then you can make those connections.

1702
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,319
So I'm just looking at it from a different perspective.

1703
01:49:04,319 --> 01:49:06,640
I'm stepping back and going, I know this is what

1704
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:10,119
I know, but let's step back and look at it

1705
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:12,920
from a different way, Like could it all be this?

1706
01:49:13,239 --> 01:49:16,279
And it it makes sense to them? I can't. I'm

1707
01:49:16,319 --> 01:49:21,720
still gonna do the research. But there's I can see it,

1708
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:23,800
like I can see the vision right of this being

1709
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:26,960
some sort of network sprinkled in with some of the

1710
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:31,560
real right. Yeah, Or even if they perceive that they

1711
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,920
were doing what they were doing right, because that's another thing,

1712
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,159
like if you perceive that you're doing something that's a

1713
01:49:37,159 --> 01:49:40,399
whole other aspect like that, you know, and if you

1714
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,239
bring in like the espionage and all this other stuff,

1715
01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:46,159
it's like, well, what a better way than to enter

1716
01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:50,079
a character like quite literally and become a different part.

1717
01:49:50,119 --> 01:49:51,880
And that's the whole thing about the occult, right you

1718
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,359
have to The way I've come to understand it is,

1719
01:49:55,399 --> 01:49:58,439
even if you're not bringing forth a change with your

1720
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,520
invocations or whatever it is, you're putting yourself in a

1721
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:03,239
state of mind in order to bring forths some change

1722
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,680
or accept the change that's going to come, right, And

1723
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,720
that's like training yourself to to you know, opening yourself

1724
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:10,439
up essentially.

1725
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:11,319
Speaker 2: Right.

1726
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:15,359
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I have a lot more

1727
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,680
questions than answers at this point, but it's super interesting.

1728
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, it's always going to be that way. And dude,

1729
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:24,000
I've been studying this part of Curley for about two

1730
01:50:24,079 --> 01:50:26,199
years now. Then I don't even think I've even gotten

1731
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:28,960
close to anything, and I'm still studying it, and it's

1732
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,319
just going to be again. When I took the occult

1733
01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:35,359
part out of Crowley and I just started looking at

1734
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,479
him working for the government, gave me a whole different

1735
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:42,279
perspective of a lot of what he was doing. Just

1736
01:50:42,319 --> 01:50:44,960
like you said, I think that some of the stuff

1737
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,800
he was writing could have been completely benign, could have

1738
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:52,319
been something that was used in a different sector. It

1739
01:50:52,359 --> 01:50:56,039
might not even been quote unquote occulted knowledge at all.

1740
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,279
It might have been it might have been hidden knowledge

1741
01:50:59,319 --> 01:51:02,399
in the sense for the reader, but it might not

1742
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:05,600
have been something that was actually trying to invoke.

1743
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, that.

1744
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:09,399
Speaker 2: Angelic being or whatever else. However, I think he was

1745
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:10,199
doing that too.

1746
01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:16,319
Speaker 1: You will have people who will read these things and

1747
01:51:16,399 --> 01:51:18,960
they take it at face value. So they take all

1748
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:23,720
the workings of Abra Mellan and all the Enochian workings

1749
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:27,399
and they quite literally establish the Golden Dawn off of

1750
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:30,119
it and all these other things and look at it.

1751
01:51:30,119 --> 01:51:32,239
You look at even freemasonry, where it's got a lot

1752
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:36,560
of Egyptian iconography and influences within that. So you have

1753
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,439
people who are taking these concepts and then doing something

1754
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,840
even if there wasn't anything to start from the beginning,

1755
01:51:43,079 --> 01:51:46,960
which is fine too. It's called LARPing, your role playing.

1756
01:51:47,279 --> 01:51:49,520
And again you're doing your little rituals and doing everything

1757
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,760
to make yourself feel good or invoke asmodeus or whoever

1758
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,680
it is that you're invoking, and you're taking a system

1759
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,960
that you really didn't know anything about and just you know,

1760
01:52:00,119 --> 01:52:03,800
that's chaos magic, dude. You're making it and using it

1761
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,279
for whatever you want, which is fine. You know, we

1762
01:52:06,359 --> 01:52:08,640
all have a way of coping with things. We all

1763
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,720
have a way of looking at reality the way that

1764
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,159
we do, and sometimes that involves using different systems. For

1765
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:16,520
some people, it's the Christian Church, the Bible, you know,

1766
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,000
the King James version or whatever. For other people it's Hinduism,

1767
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:22,880
or for other people it's Taoism. For other people it's

1768
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,079
whatever you insert your and it's just a system of

1769
01:52:26,119 --> 01:52:30,119
beliefs to portray the world and perceive reality in whichever

1770
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:35,000
way you want, which is totally okay. Right, So yeah, dude,

1771
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:38,640
it's super super interesting in my opinion, and you just

1772
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,880
open up like a whole. I'm just making connections how

1773
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,720
I'm like what, and a lot of stuff starts making sense.

1774
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,079
And again, I could be making sense of stuff that

1775
01:52:46,119 --> 01:52:48,840
doesn't even need to be made sense of, right, Like

1776
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:52,720
I could be interpreting it completely different and I'm not.

1777
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:55,640
And I don't have like anything of a breakthrough, And

1778
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:57,479
I just think I made this breakthrough and it's like, no,

1779
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,479
you're just you know, paradolia or whatever, your connect dots

1780
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,720
where they're not even there, which that's also a possibility.

1781
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,239
Speaker 2: I think you're I think you're onto something there, because

1782
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:11,920
that's something that I yeah, and you know, I've read

1783
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:17,439
Crowley a ton of his stuff and specifically his diaries,

1784
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,680
and some stuff just seemed weird, like why is this gear?

1785
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,079
Like what is he talking about poetry? Right? And then

1786
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,399
even outside the poetry, where it'll just be what are

1787
01:53:28,399 --> 01:53:30,920
you yapping about right now? That doesn't make any sense?

1788
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,279
And then and then if you look at it from

1789
01:53:33,279 --> 01:53:37,119
the lens of oh, so this might have been some

1790
01:53:37,159 --> 01:53:39,560
sort of codex, or this might have been something else,

1791
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:44,600
especially when we really look at him being this secret

1792
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:50,600
agent working for British intelligence. And listen, no matter what

1793
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:56,399
anyone says about Crowley, the guy was stupid smart again.

1794
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:59,920
He went to Trinity College in Cambridge, and guys that

1795
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:03,800
go there or not stupid, they're just not any graduated.

1796
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,359
The guy's smart. And if you just want to say

1797
01:54:06,359 --> 01:54:10,319
he's a charlottetan cool, that works very well with him

1798
01:54:10,359 --> 01:54:13,600
being a secret agent. Y, so all these things work.

1799
01:54:14,279 --> 01:54:17,359
He had the perfect formula for what they were looking

1800
01:54:17,359 --> 01:54:22,039
for because he's bisexual, which means that they could infiltrate

1801
01:54:22,159 --> 01:54:25,079
him in either side. Because women loved him and men

1802
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:29,159
loved him too. He was very he had that Riz,

1803
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:31,960
bro he did. That's the perfect way to put it.

1804
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:34,319
Speaker 1: He had that alchemical Riz.

1805
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:36,319
Speaker 2: He had that eighteen ninety Riz.

1806
01:54:38,279 --> 01:54:41,439
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see that that class roster and

1807
01:54:41,439 --> 01:54:44,680
seeing who else in that class also turned out to

1808
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:49,079
be a political figure or somebody else, you know, in

1809
01:54:49,079 --> 01:54:51,600
in some other place of power. Which again, a lot

1810
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:57,119
of these schools, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, a lot of these

1811
01:54:57,159 --> 01:55:00,880
schools seems to be more of a recruiting center for

1812
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,159
a lot of intelligence stuff.

1813
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:04,439
Speaker 2: Right. Trinity College is one of them. And I'm going

1814
01:55:04,479 --> 01:55:10,399
to tell you right now that I have studied a

1815
01:55:10,479 --> 01:55:14,840
ton of different historical figures over the past year, and

1816
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,600
almost all of them, the ones I'm really interested in,

1817
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:20,279
went to Trinity College. And I just find this weird

1818
01:55:20,399 --> 01:55:23,159
thread where they're all coming out of Trinity College. I'm like,

1819
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:26,279
what is going on? What's going on here? I mean,

1820
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,319
even the father of the computer went to Trinity College

1821
01:55:30,319 --> 01:55:31,319
in Cambridge, So.

1822
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 1: Your boy, yeah, I look at that.

1823
01:55:38,119 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 2: I've just seen it. Yeah, I'm just saying that they're

1824
01:55:41,079 --> 01:55:42,600
all come out of this one place.

1825
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:47,199
Speaker 1: Damn, dude, listen, where can people find you? Where can

1826
01:55:47,239 --> 01:55:50,840
people go listen to all the other interesting podcasts you

1827
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:53,239
put out because you put all the podcasts along this

1828
01:55:53,399 --> 01:55:56,079
same line of thinking, where can they go?

1829
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, find me at Free the Rabbits. If you're looking

1830
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to just get to everything I do, go to link

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tree Slash Free the Rabbits and you'll find everything. But

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if you're looking for the podcast, just go to Free

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the Rabbits on YouTube, rumble. You can find Free the

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Rabbits on any other audio platform. And if you're looking

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for my music, you just hype in Joel Thomas on

1836
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any music streaming platform as well. I've got a ton

1837
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of films that are coming out this year. We've got

1838
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two films, got one coming out in like two or

1839
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:33,880
three months where we went to this place called The

1840
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,319
Metal Project. We had to sign an NDA to go there,

1841
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,920
and we ended up finding some really weird stuff that

1842
01:56:40,479 --> 01:56:45,640
you know, isn't explainable. And then we shot another film

1843
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:49,439
with you and Isaac Weissop and Tony Merkle and that

1844
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was just a fantastic journey of a marriage between information

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and boots on the ground. So it's our first documentary

1846
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,960
that's that type of style, and it's all based around

1847
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:06,720
crow Lee and his connections with the government. And interdimensional beings.

1848
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:08,479
Speaker 1: So keep an eye out for that. Make sure to

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