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your support. Last hour I went over a lot of
the details of the East Wing demolition and plans for
the construction of the new ballroom that has prompted outreach
among people who hate Donald Trump, and so I won't
go over all of those details, but highly recommend you
get the podcast and go back and listen to that.
We have some people who have called in want to
weigh in on this, and you can as well. Again
seven oh four five, seven zero eleven ten, I have
text messages on the text line I will get to also.
Let's start with Dennis. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Hello Dennis, Yeah, Hi, Hey, thank you for taking my call.
And I'll thought by saying I'm not the Trump painter,
I'm whatever Republican. I'm off on this good stuff that
he's doing. However, the one thing I don't understand is
I realize it's being publicly funded, but you know, there's
a long precedent for the government teaming up with private
money and all that, but usually it's for infrastructure where
they get something back. Now over here, I'm just concerned
about undue sort of influence. You know, it's kind of
like a lobby. You don't just give up two hundred
and fifty and I know it's not a signal in
to be your person. That's an awful lot of money
being given to the government, and you'd think that, well,
you probably can't write it off as a tax write off.
I'm not sure, but I wouldn't think you could. And
it's like, where are they getting back for it? Are
they get in some type of favor or what have you?
Just it just seems cleaner, neater. You have two undred
fifty millions, a lot of money. But I don't think
the United States folks would have really objected to it
if it went I.
Speaker 1: Don't even hang on, Dennis, you don't think you don't
think people would have objected if you well.
Speaker 2: They probably would but yes, billions and trillions of dollars
are sent and given no over But.
Speaker 1: Dennis, you can say that probably right, Yeah, like you
you can say that because you say you don't hate him,
so you could say that, you know, probably wouldn't matter
to you, but for people who hate him, it would
just be another another line of attack. And so by
doing it at no cost to the taxpayers, then he
takes that argument away, which then leaves him obviously open
to the argument that you've expressed. And I've heard, you know,
I've heard as well that like, who are these who's
who's donating the money.
Speaker 2: His friends that he's getting kicked back.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole bunch of out.
Speaker 2: Himself up to that he wouldn't necessarily otherwise. And I
realized it's sort of you go left to get kicked.
You're right, you get kicked. So he probably chose what
he considers to be, you know, the easier path or
the yeah, and he's the general public.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's done that path with you know, not
taking a salary, right, so he like there's a pr
value to not having the taxpayers funded.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The the flip side, as you say, is that like
people now want to know, well, who's donating the money,
and there is a list. I've seen the list, and
uh there are all these different you know, companies and
leaders and so there's a bunch of them that are on.
Speaker 2: The list, and why are they doing it?
Speaker 1: Okay? So, uh, well, I mean I don't know the
I don't know every motivation of all of the people
or companies involved, but I mean I can I can assume,
like one would be one motivation would be staying Donald
Trump's good graces, right, But also another motivation might be
that you get you know, you get your name or
your company's name listed. You know, they usually put.
Speaker 2: A say you sell navy rights like the station. No.
Speaker 1: No, but but look if you go you go to
any public works project like Charlotte Mecklenberg City Hall. You
go to Charlotte City Hall and there's a plaque there
on the wall for and it has all of the
elected uh city council members, county commissioners that were in
office when the project was done. So they put their
names on the wall. So I assume that the donors
would have their names listed someplace, you know, on a
donor wall, thanking them for uh for making it possible, right,
And and also there might be some people who donated
in order to just help build this ballroom. Maybe they've
attended the events at the White House and there is
no ballroom and they have to go outside in the tents,
and they're like, yeah, you know what, we should have
a state ballroom. And they wanted it, they wanted to
see it get done. And maybe there are others.
Speaker 2: Phrase I think, yeah, I think you and I are
on the same page. I'm just concerned that there's going
to be because almost everything he's touched in his life,
and maybe some of it had a little bit of
I don't know where to smoke this fire in certain instances,
but it just seems like he's really opened himself up
for so many more questions and lawsuits and always are
going to be grafted. And as his friend, as his
cousin and his brother in law, is this that one,
you know Kushner and he's a builder himself. Has he
got his old guys in there, goombos and he's getting
money back. But I'm glad he's getting it done. And
I just want to, you know, sort of raise that
with you, because I seriously doubt there's a tax right off.
It's just another avenue of questions that no matter what
he does, he's going to get kicked to ther fort.
And he doesn't he doesn't care. Obviously he doesn't exactly.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say that bless him. Yeah,
I was just going to say this guy, I mean,
he's very nice. What is he like, seventy eight, seventy
nine years old? Like, he does not care at this point.
Right he's got his second term elected. He's he doesn't
care if people are going to attack him. He's turned
the business over to his son. He's running the Trump
Enterprise now. So it's it's like he just wants to
do this and look for a guy who has been
a builder his whole life, I could see why this
is he gets to kind of relive his old passion,
his old glory, like he now he gets to be
in charge of a building project right there at his house.
And he loves it. I mean he said it yesterday.
I think he was like, oh, I love the sound
of the construction equipment, you know, going on in the background.
And I think he does. I think he probably does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll just send a memo to Congress and say
we're building this. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Well,
thank you so much. I'm sure you got other calls.
I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's good here for you. Yeah, I have a
great weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think there are different motivations for all the
different donors. I don't know. Is it possible that you
know there's a quid pro quo and corruption in all
of this stuff. Yeah, that's possible. I don't know. I've
not seen any evidence of it, but that's totally possible.
I've said this since he came down the Golden escalator,
which is, you don't do real estate in New York.
You don't open a casino in Atlantic City and not
have some connection to unsavory people, right, That's just the
comes with the territory. So if you know that is
the reality on the ground, right, then I'm sure you're
going to be able to find some connections along the way. Now, well,
we'll have to wait and see. See. I like this
is my approach to Donald Trump because I would have
gone crazy over the last decade if I were to
not accept things as they are right, And that's why
I think a lot of people suffer with TDS Trump
derangement syndrome because they have this idea that reality is
not real. Like again, if you are building a massive project,
you are probably going to encounter certain elements in that
world that may be a bit unsavory. Just throwing that
out there. All right, Lee, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Hello, Lee, Hey, thanks Joing.
Speaker 1: I need to turn my radio down, Yes you do,
as is customary in the radio business.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, all right, hold only.
Speaker 1: All right, this is counting towards This is counting towards
your time.
Speaker 3: Lee.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know this is counting against your clock.
Speaker 3: All right now, now, can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes, I can hear you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Yeah, I was calling. I've been listening to
you for a long time. Actxlan from Ashville. Nah. Actually
I'm driving between Charles Ashville quite a bit and I'll
always listen to your program.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I was calling to uh, you know, I agree with
the fact that we need a ballroom state to those
people instead of using tents outside. That that is great.
And I know that the outside of this building is
going to sthetically look like the White House. Are similar.
The only thing I'm worried about is going to be
you know, and I'm not going to tell you about
my views on Trump, but I am worried that the
inside of this thing is going to have a signature
of mor Lago or Trumps signature. You know. You talked
about the book that his son wrote that he loved
beautiful thing. Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I just don't want this thing to be gaudy. And
when the next administration come, next president comes in, he's
going to change it. That is my concern. And I
want to thank you also for clear enough the fact
that it's not taxpayer money, because I was I was
having a hard time with that. Yeah. No, yeah, I
hate Johnny those type things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Donald Trump's preferred esthetic is not mine. Okay. I
am not a fan of the gold plated everything. Not
a fan of it. He is, whether you know, whether
he puts too much of it in there. I know
people are complaining about all the gold that he put
in the Oval office. Yeah, I mean, like, but that's
like you said, it's in the eye of the beholder.
That's what he thinks looks pretty. He thinks his beauty
And yeah, another president comes in, they want to change it,
want to redecorate it. They're going to be able to
do that too, just like they just like they change
the interior of the White House. They do that, right.
So you know, we'll see. I mean, that's that's my
approach to virtually all things Trump is we'll see you.
Speaker 3: I agree that we need a place like that. Yeah,
and so in that way. And it's not taxpayer money,
because if it was taxpayer money, I would have a
hard time with that with people not getting paid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, no, I got you, Lee. I appreciate
the call man, Thank you very much. I will get
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And this is from Marty who says, why does the
White House need so many steak dinners? Well, they serve
chicken too, and salmon, probably all sorts of fancy for
thinking it's not just steak. Oh okay, that's probably a
voice to text thing going on there. He probably means
state dinners. So why does the White House need so
many state dinners? Well, I mean that's kind of what
leaders of state do. They host all sorts of the
meetings with foreign leaders, especially Donald Trump. I mean, the
guy definitely an extrovert, a bit of a party animal,
if you will. But he doesn't drink, but like he
likes to socialize, he does his You know, it's about
personal relationships. Politics is about personal relationships. Okay, I've said
this for years. And you're more likely to get stuff
done when you know the person, even if they're across
the political aisle. Right, if you know them, you can
call them up, you can talk with them. You've got
some sort of a relationship that goes beyond just the politics,
especially partisan politics. Right. And so leaders of state do this,
They welcome other leaders to the White House. They do
it all the time. Right, So if you're going to
do the big state dinner, then like, why not have
it in the ballroom because it also you could use
the ballroom for all sorts of other things. It doesn't
have to just be a state dinner, right, you can
have other gatherings when you like, say you want to
host when you're doing the Purple Heart ceremonies and stuff, right,
you're doing stuff like that, you're giving out awards, you're
having you know, you're bringing like they had, you know,
a bunch of the people who had been targeted by
Antifa for example, and you know they stick them in
some conference room. Well, now you'd be able to go
into this larger space and you could do a larger
gathering like that. So look, every hotel has a ballroom
for a reason, right, I mean, yes, to rent it out,
but people, you know, when organizations are looking to do
stuff and you've got a large number of people coming,
you need that kind of space. And so rather than
pitching tents out on the lawn, a ballroom makes sense.
And by the way, if you can also you know,
refortify the underground bunker which is under there, and you
can harden the building so if God forbid, there ever
is some sort of attack, that it's protected in a
better way and you can create more defensive installments on
the roof and around the building and stuff like. Yeah. Again,
like I don't see any real downside to this. The
only thing, you know is that people were mad that
oh this this building got torn down. And that's why
I said last time. This is like every development debate
that I've ever witnessed in local politics. Whenever somebody comes
in for a rezoning or they want to do a project,
you always get people that are like, you know, I
don't want anything to change. I like that thing just
the way it is. It's the same I see it
at you know, the HOA level, city level, state level.
It's the same stuff all the time. I mean people
on our neighborhood Facebook page. In my neighborhood that was
clear cut right, forests and stuff that were just just
leveled in order to put all of these houses there.
And all these people move in over the last fifteen years,
and then there's another area of woods and another builder
comes in and levels that to build, and the people
in my neighborhood are angry that we've disturbed the environment
and habitat for the deer. It's like, well, you did
that too, right. This is why I called it. You know,
this is nimbiism, not in my backyard. It's this idea
I got my little slice of heaven. Now I'm going
to pull the ladder up behind me. And that way
of thinking is prevalent in all of these rezonings and
all of these development projects that I've seen throughout the
last twenty five years. I've said this before. I would
watch city council meetings in Ashville, and about ninety eight
percent of the time the public speakers against any development
project would start off by saying something to the effect
of I moved here eight years ago, and now I
don't want you to do anything to change the way
things are. I don't want you to allow for more
building of housing. I don't want any new development. It's
like you just got here. You came here and bought
a house because other people built those houses before you arrived.
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is where George Washington planned and wrote the Gettysburg Address.
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up here, just a couple of final messages and then
I'm gonna pivot to the shutdown. Okay, so this is
from Russ. We were talking in the first hour about,
you know, building beautiful things, and Russ says, my mom
has painted and done other art my whole life. She
commented years ago that ugly or chaotic art was a
sign that the artist was not connected to God. God
is an artist, and if you have that gift but
no connection with God, it shows in what you create.
I see that point in all sorts of creative expression. Now, yeah,
this is why I call it art by explanation that
it doesn't actually have any kind of intrinsic beauty. The
beauty is therefore not conveyed to the viewer, and therefore
it needs some sort of a placard in front of
the piece to tell you what the artist was trying
to do. So an explanation of why this is worth
your time and detention. And then once explained, oh wow,
this heap of trash is supposed to symbolize whatever you know.
I've i over the years, I have had a great
deal of fun highlighting awful things that are paid for
with taxpayer dollars that masquerade as art. I'm not going
to go over all of them right now, although the
classic one was at the Police Academy when they hired
some quote unquote artist who made some chicken wire structure
that was supposed to look like the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police
Department shield, which is like representative of the hornet's nest,
which dates back to the that's a callback to the
Revolutionary War, you know, as a corn wallace came in
and stirred up a hornet's nest, that whole thing, and
it was so obviously not a piece of art that
a janitor threw it away. He did not know it
was art, Yeah, because it wasn't. So this is from Melissa.
It's a Pete tweet. Everything should have beauty, whether it
be functional or not. I watched my father spend twenty
years of his life restoring an eighteen fifties Victorian home
to its original glory. I grew up with the smell
of a butane torch as he stripped baseboard after baseboard
of years and of lead paint every evening after he
came home from work. Recall the words of the patron
and artist of the Sistine Chapel Pope Julius. The second,
when will you make an end? Michelangelo said, when I
am finished. Well, look Thomas Jefferson, right, he never completed Monticello.
That guy was always doing improvements on his home, like
it was in a constant state of construction all the time.
M Yeah, the helliat says. The orange discs by the
light rail. Yeah, like I said, I have done this.
I have done this topic so many different times over
the years. And the orange the big Claye discs along
the light rail line is one of the examples that
I cite. Pat McCrory called it corridors of crap. Anybody
that brings up cost of the project will not want
to talk about why it's that expensive in that town. Yeah, no,
that's true. Don't forget about the interactive art piece in
the Mecklinburg County Courthouse that broke shortly after it was made.
But yeah, I have cited that one as well. It's
all these little heads on strings dangling over the lobby,
and it was supposed to like change. It was a
neat idea. It just it broke immediately, and so they
like when you're on the floor looking up at it,
it looks like a face and then it just kind
of it keeps changing and uh and yeah it broke. Yeah,
DEI artists, it's rich. This I don't know who this
is from seven oh four number. It's rich when libs
are complaining about the loss of history in the White
House renovations, when all the historical staff choose were removed
from the country a couple of years ago. Yeah, that's
why it's I don't believe that they are outraged at
the loss of this historical office building. You know, let
me see here to do on topic, people, pete everybody
has short term memory loss forty four, So who would
that be forty four? That would have been Obama spent
over three hundred and sixty million dollars ripping up the
front lawn and other White House changes taxpayer funded.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, presidents do this all the time. I think
what they have a problem with is the fact that
he's going to leave his mark on the White House
for decades to come, and that's killing them. That's exactly right.
That is from David And I'm trying to u this
is seven oh four number. Has nothing to do with
preservation of the building, per se, or the east wing
per say, it's all about hey, hey Trump, I guess
hating Trump. That's what That's what it is. They hate Trump.
Anything he does, they hate him. The thing is being
paid for by donors, that doesn't matter. They hate Trump. Okay, So,
and John says here the caller that was worried about
the reasons behind the private donations to the White House renovation.
If you recall, back in the eighties, the Statue of
Liberty was refurbished, and that was all done with private
donations as well. Things like this happen all the time
when it is something of national interest like that. Yeah. No,
it's a good parallel, all right. If you're listening to
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is pretty obvious at this point. And in case you
were unaware, the number two Democrat in the House Catherine Clark,
she is the Deputy whip. I believe she said in
an interview the other day that there will be families
that are going to suffer, but it's one of the
few leverage times we have. And by the way, over
in the Senate, the Democrats once again blocked a vote
to open the government up, and in this case they
blocked a vote I think yesterday to pay government workers
that were affected by the shutdown, and Democrats blocked that
it was just a straight up measure to pay employees,
and Democrats rejected it, and this video clip went viral,
and the Speaker of the House has been They rolled
a TV out in front of the Speaker, Mike Johnson's office.
There's a little hallway there and they rolled a TV
screen out and they just put this clip on repeat.
And so now that's what you see when you walk
up to the to the Speaker's office. Because remember Democrats
were going to the Speaker's office doing these are stunts,
these viral videos they were trying to make like, you know,
open a government up and all this. They don't want
the government up, opened up unless they get this demand
of theirs, which is to make permanent the temporary subsidies
for the Affordable Care Act Obamacare. That's what this is about.
The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that over the next
ten years, the Democrat's permanent subsidy expansion would cost taxpayers
three hundred and fifty billion dollars on top of the
billions and permanent subsidies that's already on the books. David
Winston wrote a piece at roll call dot com and
he tracks. He documents the history in case you weren't
aware of how this all played out with Obamacare. I
remember this. I was covering this at the time. Okay,
this is a crisis of democrats own making. Goes back
fifteen years. Obamacare was rammed through on party line votes
in twenty ten. Okay, in December of two thousand and nine,
in the Senate, Democrats had a filibuster proof majority of
sixty seats, so they had passage all but guaranteed. It
passed on a strictly partisan vote without a single Republican
on board, and it included a subsidy for low income users,
but not the enhanced subsidies, so more subsidies today. Shortly
after that, Republican Scott Brown won the Massachusetts special election,
and Democrats now did not have their sixty votes, so
they could not end the filibuster on a partisan vote,
and that forced the House Democrats, a lot of whom
had reservations about Obamacare's design. It forced the House Democrats
to vote for the Senate bill as is. Additionally, the
loss of the Senate seat in Massachusetts worried Democrats about
whether or not Obamacare was going to cost them control
of the Senate and the House. The healthcare bill went
back to the House, which eventually passed the Senate version.
All Republicans opposed it, along with thirty four Democrats. That's
how that happened. Okay, the bipartisan vote was against Obamacare.
The temporary enhanced premiums that are at issue today are
the result of COVID nineteen and were added as part
of the American Rescue Plan, which was proposed by Biden
passed by Democrats in March twenty twenty one. Democrats had
the White House, they had majorities in the Senate. In
the House, but they did not have a filibuster proof Senate,
so the American Rescue Plan was turned into a reconciliation
bill so they could avoid the filibuster. Democrats included language
that the enhanced premiums were supposed to be temporary. They
would expire at the end of twenty twenty two, and
then came twenty twenty two, and they didn't want them
to buyer, so they did the Inflation Reduction Act. Part
of that got spun off as a reconciliation bill so
they could pass it on a party line vote. Didn't
get any Republican votes in the Senate. This required you'll
recall Kamala Harris to cast the tie breaking vote for passage,
she being the Vice president at the time. The bill
extended the temporary premiums the enhanced premiums through twenty twenty five.
See so Democrats, when they were in control, they kept
doing this. They kept creating increased subsidies, and they kept
sunsetting them. They kept making them temporary. They could have
made the credits permanent back then or extended them for
ten years. Instead, they chose to extend them only three
because there was others spending in the Inflation Reduction Act
that Democrats prioritized over these premiums. Despite Senate majority leader
John Thuns offered to discuss the enhanced subsidies issue as
soon as government reopens, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries have
refused to budge on their demand for a permanent extension
that would add three hundred and fifty billion dollars to
the Continuing Resolution. And here is what Jeffries was asked
on CNBCS.
Speaker 4: It said, what you are asking the Republicans to do
right now when they control the White House, the Senate,
and the House is effectively what the Democrats could not
do when they controlled all three of those heads of
government themselves. The ten year setup for this, for these
the three year setup for the expiration of these credits
was intentionally put in. It was put in when you
controlled the White House, the House, and the Senate. You
couldn't get it passed for longer. And so this is
a setup, the kind of your own creation that you
all couldn't extend beyond that. Now you want the Republicans
to do something you didn't do when you were in power.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not a setup.
Speaker 5: It is beyond what we could do. We extended the
Affordable Care Act tax credits in twenty twenty two for
three years.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: The program is working. It's providing healthcare to tens of
millions of people in an affordable way.
Speaker 1: Right. That's why everybody's complaining about the cost of its skyrocketing. Right,
And then why the additional subsidies are now needed. Now,
this was always an albatross. This was always sold to
us as better and cheaper than it actually is. Democrats
want Republicans to do the thing that Democrats could not
do when they controlled more power than Republicans currently enjoy.
All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you
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