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Speaker 1: Hey, good morning, Hey zero. Oh okay, now we have

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ten people in the chair. Good morning sports cards fans,

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and welcome back to hobby Hotline. My name is Dan

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from four Collectors and from this channel right here, and

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I am very very happy to welcome my good friend

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in yours, Orlando. How are you, sir? This morning?

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Speaker 2: Doing fantastic this morning? Went out on a quick walk

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and a little mini little light stream right before the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh I missed it. I'm sorry. I was doing my prap,

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my show prap.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Well it was hard enough, which generally a shower.

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Speaker 2: It was hard for me to reco from last night

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from because I'm Cardinals show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I stayed a little late and then I'd say

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after the show was over backstage we chatted for like

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an hour, it was, and it was a lot of

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guys like Bobby Burrell and uh and Scott and Mike

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Ham was there for a while. Eric quickly left because

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you know, it was his birthday, so you know, happy

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birthday to Eric. So all right, we got twenty in

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the chat. Let me say hello to everybody. Hurry. Oh okay,

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ten minutes. Well we were, we were on time. It

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was a little it was a little dicey there. Yeah,

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get the popcorn all right. So here's the link.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is for call in if somebody wants to call

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in uh and talk about one of our two topics

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or any other topic. Honestly, Orlando and I are ready

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to talk. Good morning to Mad City Brew. I just

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thank you for the video. Like Eric does not pay

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for likes on this channel. Only on Carlos's channel, Philly Joe,

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Good morning, How is Philly? I was in Philly last weekend?

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So random exports? Hello, this is fun? Yes, hopefully it

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will be fun today. Laura, Good morning to you. Baseball

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card curmudgeon. Hello, Frank Costella. You think I got that ring?

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Sounds pretty good? Who's hobby hangout? Good morning, sir. Confluence

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Sports Cards otherwise known as Ruben Snyder. Hello Ruben? How

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are you? Dan and Orlando? That's who we are, Mike,

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Jay Hawker, Hope you're okay. I know you were in

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New You and Carlos's Chadbury late last night. Also able

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in Vegas. Peter B. Hello, sir, we got ron fig

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we got Adam's card closet. Chris C. Sven Yankee yankee

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yank me card. Steve okay, I thought it was a

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Yankee thing. I don't know if there's going to be

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any Benny Koff. Maybe I'll show Benny Coff card later

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on if we're we're running out of time. Zach Pierce, Hello,

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Phil nicro Fan Hello, and Frank said hi already. So

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let me let me share the referral link here. Oh

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that's a referral link. Let me let me share again

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the call in link.

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Speaker 2: See here, and just getting warmed up today.

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Speaker 1: There is the call in link. So we have two

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topics we wanted to cover this morning, and I wanted

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to say good morning to Couter Lev and also to

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the sports card shop. Cuter Lev is a Philly guy,

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I believe, right, tell me if you're a Philly guy,

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and if you if you were at the Philly show,

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because we're going to cover we're going to talk a

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little bit about card shows. I know, Orlando, you've been

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going to your local card shows, and I have experienced

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in recent times that card shows are kind of insane

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in terms of crowds, And you know, I just wanted

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to ask you, is that kind of your experience down

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with all those Florida Man shows.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean I'm in South Florida, so there aren't

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the shows in South Florida like they are in Central Florida,

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were him has won every single week over there, and

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they got a big show at the Tampa Fairgrounds, which

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I hear is going to have around four hundred tables.

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is a show actually today the first time ever, at

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the hard Rock Hotel here that's owned by the Mikasooki

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Indians who really handle all the gambling the gaming. But

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there is a show there which is the first one

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I won't be attending, unfortunately. But the shows here in

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four Lauderdale show that goes on every single month and

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it's a two day show Friday and Saturday, and it

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was extremely busy. I mean you could barely get in

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the dealers because I know pretty much all the dealers there,

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was Saturday morning, and I asked him how Friday was,

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and he said that his case was like half and

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he had to pull out and stuff from every where.

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show I'm talking about. It's probably a fifty to sixty

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table show. And he said he had sold over thirteen

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thousand dollars worth the cards just that Friday night. With

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a short night Friday at opens it's from four to nine. Yeah,

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and he says, I've got to restock. He says, and

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like all the other dealers told me the same thing,

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that they're having super busy days, that vintage is very hot,

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and that the biggest problem that they have right now

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is buying, is keeping up with their inventory. They just

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don't have enough inventory to put in their cases right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll get into the Philly show in a

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little bit. But I did want to point out this

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ship Shijuana. There were videos from ship Shijuana, and I

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forget maybe it was Theo. It might have been. Neo

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talked about the like the Swiss cheese effect, going all

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around to the tables and seeing like cart like the holes.

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we go. You're back you're back, Okay. The ship Schwana

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show had like people running at an inventory like crazy,

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in people's display cases, and that's a problem. Now. When

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which was fun, and that's not what we're talking about now,

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but I was talking to Stan Locke and Stan was like,

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got Chicago next week, which is right right now. The

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Chicago Sports Spectacular show started last night. I got a

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nice text from Mitchell, our friend Mitchell, who scored some

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cards last night. He said, it wasn't all that crowded

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on Friday, but that's not necessarily what you would expect that,

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you know, Saturday is the day that people are going

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to be there. So I'm looking for for reports from Chicago.

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is growing seven hundred to eight hundred people this fall.

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it's it's insane. And then Koudel, he was at Dallas

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yesterday parking. Yep. Do you go to trusted sponsorships of

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these newer shows initiated by new sponsors. That's a good question.

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Speaker 2: Well, the shows that that I go to just a

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local show, and he really doesn't have any sponsors. They

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do have JSA that goes there every three months, but

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we really don't have any you know, there's no PSA

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or anything like that. There's a dealer there that will

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take you know, these guys that does take orders, you

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know from PSA and STC, but overall it's just a

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small local show, just some small local dealers. We do

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get some dealers that come from Tampa and Central Florida

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and Naples and for buyers, but for the most part,

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is just local guys. Specifically, what people are buying, I

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you know, anywhere from grades you know, three to five,

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from cars in the fifties and sixties. You know, they're

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relatively cheap, you know, most of the time you can

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get them for fifty bucks or less than one hundred dollars.

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don't see a lot of the high end cards moving,

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but again, this is a smaller show. It's not like Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a report from I saw Chris from

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Missouri's video on this, and I know that he was

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set up with his friends Tom and Coop, and also

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Joe was set up and Micro's set up. And Chris

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covered on inventory.

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ones that chriss. I mean, Chris himself said he took

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over three hundred slabs and pretty much sold about half

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of them there at the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, I brought this picture for you for us to

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look at if anybody's seen my Philly video, which is

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actually done quite well considering numbers are beginning lately. But

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this picture was my first picture. And if you could

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see on the far right, there's like what looks like

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a little house part. That's the entrance. And so you've

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got the entrance to the Philly Show, and you got

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this line coming all the way down to the corner

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where those two kids are with the blue and the

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orange sweatshirt is where the corner goes. And then I

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took a second picture looking down the side of the building,

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and if you scroll in on that picture on my phone,

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all the way, you still can't tell the end of

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the line. And this is the line at about I

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don't know, ten o'clock in the morning on Saturday at

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the Philly Show. And I'd never seen anything like this before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I stay on the line. A friend of my

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knew from New York went to the show and he

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was sending me pictures of the line, and he also

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said that he had to park about half a mile away.

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or something like that. Yeah, because he said that the

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parking lot was full when he got there. And he

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got there it was around eleven o'clock and he said

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it was already jam packed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I got there at ten after ten

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and it was like this I had to do. I

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had to do the thing where I just parked, you know,

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like half a mile out. It's like in this giant

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complex where there's the big Expo center, but then there's

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these other businesses that block parking now, but then there's

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like a BJ's and it has a huge parking lot,

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the BJS was. And yeah, it's it's insane, But I

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don't know my question to you, Orlando, is is this

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because somebody just said this and there I should have

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kept it up there these just booming shows, attendants out

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of you know, down this down the block. Is this

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a sign of things to come? Like this is going

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to be that you've reached the peak and now it's

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going to be going downhill. I mean, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: No, I disagree. I think this is We're in the

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middle of it. I think it's going to continue to

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go up. I mean I go to the show, like

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I said, every you know, I can only judge it

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by a couple of shows that I go to locally.

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But I saw people never seen at the show. I

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had one person that came up to me and you know,

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sees my videos and said that this is the first

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show they've been to in almost a couple of years.

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could see a lot of the regulars, and I just

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kind of asked people, you said, your first time in

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the show, and a few people told me, yeah, this

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is the first time I've come to this show. So

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you're getting a lot of new people coming in, and

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I think that it's just we're in the middle of it.

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I mean, I think it's going to get better and

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better and better. And you know, not just Pokemon because

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you said to pokem a lot and that's always a

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ton of people. But I am seeing a lot more

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vintage people coming in. There's still the modern guys with

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the pelicans is out there see them, and you know,

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the young kids. But I did see a lot of

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older people that are into vintage that I normally don't see.

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vintage guys in their fifties and sixties and they said

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it was their first show in a long time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what what I think it's

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a confluence of a whole bunch of different issues that

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one of which is that you know, the growth from

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COVID is continued and some people get out of the hobby,

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but at least it puts the hobby, you know, in

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a public face. You also have celebrities, you know, with

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cards around their neck and you know, I just think

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it's kind of a it feels like it feels like

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that period in the in the late mid to late

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eighties when things started to become kind of you know,

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popular in popular culture. Uh, and that's when you start

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getting big crowds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I didn't you didn't notice. You know,

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there's usually two big dealers that have unopened wax. I mean,

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these guys have you know, six seven tables full of

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unopened wax. And I didn't see as much traffic or

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as much sales. You know. I talked to one of

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the guys name what we call him Whitey, and he

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goes to the Tampa shows and he comes down to

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the South Florida shows, and I asked him how he

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was doing, and he said that, you know, his business

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was good, but it wasn't great. So I do feel

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that a lot less people are buying wax unopen wax.

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I think a lot more people, from what I've seen,

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are buying singles now, which I think is a great

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thing for the hobby. I think they're realizing that, you know,

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they're not going to get a lot of big hits

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out of these wax boxes anymore. Like they used to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, of course the price of waxbox is kind

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of a deturn. But Adam's got a good point here.

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And I could say this from the Philly Show. If

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you look at the pictures on the line, there a

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lot of kids. And to me, that's a great thing.

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That's an absolutely great thing. If there are kids in

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the hobby, that means the hobby has a future. And

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you know, you and I are people who are a

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little up in you. We're not octogenarians or septagenarians yet,

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but we're we're there, We're getting there. And you know,

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I'm not gonna be around forever. These cards will be though,

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and somebody hopefully will be still in the hobby to

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own them. And uh, those kids are you know, you

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don't see kids at the vintage tables, but you know

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they'll learn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, definitely a lot of kids. And and and

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I think kids that are not the kids with the

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publican cases and stuff, because you see those, But I

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think kids that came with their parents. You know, I

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saw a mom with two small boys and and and

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that was always good to see that, you know that

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I guess the kids dragged their mom over then, yeah,

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you know they were getting some packs, but they were

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also looking through the dollar boxes, which was a good

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thing to see.

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Speaker 1: Well, I could say that somebody said in one of

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the in one of the chat before that if you

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if they saw that line that I just showed from

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the Philly show, they wouldn't even go in. I was

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actually fortunate there he is. Look who it is.

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Speaker 2: Hey to see John all right from these Wow.

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Speaker 3: Time in a long time. It's not industry hotline.

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Speaker 4: It's actually hobbyt first time listen first well part partially

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I can't hear anymore, so rarely, well, you know lately,

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I missed the Philly shows out of town last week.

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I don't know when the last show. It was probably

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Philly December. But what I tell people, there's a show

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every day on eBay. I just got back from the

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West Coast where I hit Burbank, I hit Peninsula Sports Cards,

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Stephens Creek, stephen Creek sports Card, that awesome card shop

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in Vegas. So I kind of tried to create my

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own shows, right, So I hit five cards stores in

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this past week in different five different cities.

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Speaker 3: So that's how we we built our own. We built

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our own when it isn't being.

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Speaker 4: Built for Philly's a Philly is a huge autograph show.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of difficult in that it's still great.

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Speaker 1: Let me show you picture another picture. So there was

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there was talk that it was the Philly show at

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the autographs because there were really really good roster of

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autograph people yea, and you know, certainly the autograph lines

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were big and stuff. But inside the show itself it

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was really packed too, So it wasn't just people online

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to get you know, I don't know who all there.

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Speaker 3: Like you can go to Dallas and you get choked

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up pretty quickly in the aisles. The Philly aisles.

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Speaker 4: Are normal people size aisles, regardless of you had your

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occasional strollers and pelican cases and stuff.

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Speaker 5: But it's still still pretty big aisles, and it's still packs.

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Speaker 4: I mean the parking, Daniel Ty, the parking is a

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madhouse there in Philly. They almost you almost need a

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shuttle bus.

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Speaker 3: Uh. So it's a great show. Has there something for everybody?

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This may come as a surprise when I'm making crowd, like.

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Speaker 4: I said that you create your and he's out there, yeah,

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and I'm many stand locked there, Dan, your boy Stan

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Locke is talking out both sides of his mouth. So well,

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he had a ray keating card. He sold it out,

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he'd find me another one, and I got the ray

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the fourteen cracker Jack right, and he ended up getting

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another one.

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Speaker 3: He's, uh, yeah, I'm man.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, proof of life for keating job. We issue

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with the at the get together. Yeah, I wasn't fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did any Plank make an appearance again or no?

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Oh no, but Sherry Maggie he brought he brought you

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brought the Maggie.

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Speaker 1: The Maggie Eric card. So he comes up to me

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and he's like, hey, how are you? And I'm like, oh,

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any Plank guy, you know, homesy, how you doing and

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shake his hand. He says, get another card for you. Show.

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He shows me the card and it's the Minky Eric card.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, friend is really good friends with his Yeah,

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I'm good friends with his twin brother who probably wasn't there.

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But twin brother is a collector too, so we talk

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all the time about his brother, about Jim and it's hilarious.

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He doesn't have any doesn't have any kids, doesn't have

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a mortgage, doesn't have any distractions.

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Speaker 3: So man, imagine life.

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Speaker 4: Uh like you gotta buy brand and you gotta buy baseball.

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Speaker 2: What a lucky guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they told me. And if he comes to

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the September get together, he's got to have to bring

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his wagoner for that one.

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Speaker 3: He's got a wagoner, he tells you, he's got a wagner.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a wagoner. But so lighton, you know,

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Layton is uh, it's going crazy about this because he's like, wait,

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this guy got like and he put a video up

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you know, it's on it's on his channel that you

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know that he Holmes. He told the story of how

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he ended up with that Plank card, and it's a

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crazy story. I mean he was basically like, you know,

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keeping an eye out for for you know, just random auctions,

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you know, like estate auctions and up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got all the time in the world.

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Speaker 2: Who wants a wagoner, but you can get a five

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point two million dollar card.

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Speaker 3: My wife asked me about that this morning. She was

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watching something.

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Speaker 4: She goes, oh, you know about that card that sold

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for five million, And I said, the wagoners, go no,

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some Yankees, So so I guess it was a judge card.

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Speaker 1: Some Yankees guy.

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Speaker 4: It's a great way to turn five million dollars into

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fifty thousand dollars buy Aaron Judge.

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Speaker 2: Cart Like, yeah, I agree completely with that.

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Speaker 1: So this is I have a different experience from this comment.

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If you and for your good deals, it shows anymore.

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It seems to buy them the same two to three

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deals at every Kansas City area show, I'm sorry for

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you in Kansas City. But the Philly show, I just

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you know, all the regular guys are there, and I

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bought from a lot of the regular guys, but there

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were other dealers that normally aren't there. They hit a

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thousand tables. You're gonna end up with people getting in

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now who've been on the waiting list for how many years?

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So I really think that there are more There actually

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are more dealers in this space now, particularly when it

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comes to vintage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a good guy.

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Speaker 5: He collects Kansas City Royal cards, and him at the

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Dallas show.

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Speaker 3: He's what I think he's being.

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Speaker 4: What I get from that is like the shift changed

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from when we were kids or even when we were adults,

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and now everybody at a show is a dealer, depends

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you know, regardless of what side of the aisle on.

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Speaker 3: So the people that are on that waste are getting.

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Speaker 4: It might not be the dealers that we grew up

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winter dealers that are more it's comp v comp, right,

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your comp versus my comp which never really used to

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be the case.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's always a little.

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Speaker 4: You know, back and forth between dealers and collectors. And

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now it's just it seems like it's more B to

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B now than there is B two C.

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Speaker 3: And it's uh, the.

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Speaker 4: New generation or a new generation just doesn't go for

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a recent COVID stuff. But even junk wax here or beyond,

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it's they just do business differently.

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Speaker 3: There is none of them.

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Speaker 5: There's not a lot of the B two C.

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Speaker 4: It's just everybody appears to be running a business now,

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whether they're they what's regardless what side of the Iowa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even most of us a collector. There used to

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be trade nights where you actually traded. Trade nights is

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just another show. Now it's just collectors just putting their

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cards out on display, and you know, it's it's trade

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for cash.

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Speaker 4: And the more shows you have, right like we know,

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shows are popping up all over them. You only have

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so many older school dealers and I'm not going to

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tell you what's right or what's wrong. I have my opinions,

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but uh, you know, you have a newer there's just

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a newer way of doing business. And it's gonna it's more,

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it's more apparent. With more shows and more dealers. Everybody

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is everybody, like I said, everybody's everybody's a business right now,

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it seems.

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Speaker 1: So show's coming up for you, Orlando.

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Speaker 2: Just Strongsville. I mean, I can't wait for Ronksville pretty much.

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What I'm saving up all my money, send some cards

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to CIA Auction or you know, John's right on the

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ball there. You know, I'm selling cards. And I was

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one that really for years, I didn't want to sell

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any of my cards. But again, as we get older,

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we got so much stuff, and my kids don't want

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all that stuff, you know, they rather have the cash.

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So for me, you know, I'm retired, so I got

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I got to get cards. So that's what I'm in

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the process of doing now, you know. I mean, I

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took some cards to sell at the local show, and

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I've got some cards to CIA Auction and I'm bringing

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some cards for trade night and that's going to be

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my budget for Strongsville. So I mean we're less than

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thirty days away.

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Speaker 4: Now, what are you looking to buy at this point

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in collecting career? Orlando, when you're one of those guys

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is probably he has seen most everything. What what where

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do you angling and said it, Yeah, obviously you're not

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just offloading your cards right.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm looking for cards that you never really was

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able to get. You know, I don't have the forty

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nine leave too, Jackie, So those are two cars that

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I'd have to have. Either one of those would be awesome.

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And you know, I also collect football, some of the

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older football, so I'll be looking for probably some of

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the Chickle cards and I don't think I can afford

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the Negirsky anymore. That's gone out of range. But there's

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also some nice sport teams cards that I'm looking at,

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you know, stuff like you ha.

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Speaker 4: Now do you have a different or when did you

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cross the bridge to the like? I feel like now

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if you're going to buy those cards saved by and

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you're looking at it, I don't look at any purchase

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as a temporary purchase. You're looking at it now at

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this stage of your life as as what you're you're

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just basically renting this card because you know there's a

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point and I'm still at that point where all my

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cards are going to be a cross going to cross

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the bridge at some point where I'm like, oh, I

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have to start getting rid of my cards. Do you

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look at that like a negurse here fifty two Jackie,

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any different than any of the other purchases you made

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00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,559
twenty thirty years ago.

473
00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm looking more to consolidate my collection

474
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,480
because I have thousands of cards. I mean just so

475
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,720
much that it's I've got two closet full of cards,

476
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,960
plus a whole bunch in the garage which they just

477
00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:26,000
the five thousand count boxes. So it's gotten to a

478
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,680
point where I'm trying to get rid of a lot

479
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,920
of the lower end cards just to get cards that

480
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,799
I've always wanted, and those cards I do intend to have,

481
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,559
you know, until I'm in.

482
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:36,599
Speaker 3: My deathbedd for the long run. Yep, I got for

483
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,039
the long.

484
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: Run, you know, just cards. You know, I've been the

485
00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:42,359
last year I went to the National Amstrongs and I

486
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,599
picked up you know, a couple of tight cop cards

487
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,759
that I wanted. I picked up the Green Taychob at

488
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,880
the National, which I've always wanted, never was able to afford.

489
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,559
So just cards that for me, the cards I've always

490
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,480
dreamed of I've never had. And I'm using a lot

491
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,759
of the stuff that I've collected over the years that

492
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,519
you know, five years ago I said I would sell,

493
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,160
but you know, afterwards her diagnosis, I said, you know what,

494
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,240
it's probably time for me to move on with some

495
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:09,279
of this stuff. And now I'm feeling fine, back to normal,

496
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:10,880
but I won't get to the point where I can

497
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,119
get cards that I've always dreamed of but never been

498
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,200
able to afford. And that's kind of my angle right now.

499
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, a secondary to that, But one

500
00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:21,160
of the benefits of that is most of those cards

501
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,960
would rather have some easy liquidity to them too. You know,

502
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,799
the higher up you get with that, the easier it

503
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,440
is for you know, somebody else to deal with should

504
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,160
something happen. Right, So, yeah, yeah, I've got hundreds of

505
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,640
thousands of cards that people have zero At some point

506
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,079
I'm going to have to turn those in. The cards

507
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,039
that made my family can easily offload at some point.

508
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:42,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

509
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,839
Speaker 2: Well, like you know, as a setbuilder, moved a lot

510
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,559
of sets and well, right now, decide to break up

511
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,839
my fifty ninth and I've sent some of those cards

512
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,440
over to CIA, and I ended up selling it at

513
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,599
a national my Gibs and Rookie because my Gifts and Rookie,

514
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:58,119
you know, I had a run a grater than eight.

515
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,880
I said, this is my opportunity to get a lot

516
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:00,799
of money for that card.

517
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

518
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: So I ended up getting a few cards for that,

519
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,799
including the Venezuela and Jackie Robinson Re Toronto card, right,

520
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,960
which is another card I've always wanted, So I picked

521
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,680
that up, you know, selling my Gifts and Rookie.

522
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: So when are we going to get some reports from

523
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,640
the basement updates of keating set building.

524
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: My god, it's a mess right now, man, It's an

525
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,559
absolute mess. So another thing you're talking about card shows.

526
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,759
When I came on or asked me about that, I am,

527
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,920
thanks to my friends Cooter and Zach and Bo, I

528
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,160
am balls deep in TCDB where I trade cards.

529
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 5: So I trade thousands of cards I get for the

530
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,839
cost of a few stamps and stuff like that. So

531
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:43,599
it's just another.

532
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: Angle I've I've.

533
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,319
Speaker 4: You know, avoiding the big the big card shows and

534
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,680
just buying bulk off of Facebook or buying or trading

535
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:53,839
or going to my own card store or going to

536
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,440
card stores. You know, we all the hobby is big

537
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:59,359
enough that nobody should be complaining about where to get

538
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,359
cards or how to cards and all that stuff. I

539
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,359
know that there's some points in the hobby that are

540
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,279
difficult right now at comm see and some other places,

541
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,599
but there's always an angle. For people like me who

542
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,240
collect everything, there's always an angle. So it doesn't there's

543
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:16,240
never I never have something. I'm never bored in my basement,

544
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:18,839
and I never have a lack of things I need

545
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,240
to do with my collection, whether it's logging duplicates, listing

546
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:25,680
stuff on eBay, or sorting or rearranging and all that stuff.

547
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,519
So I'm a couple of years. I'm probably about five

548
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:29,599
to ten years behind where I should be.

549
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,079
Speaker 3: It's incredible. It's incredible down here. I love it.

550
00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 5: It's the best place.

551
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: And I'll take this this place over any place in

552
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,480
the whole world.

553
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean shows for you. You know I've been

554
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,160
it shows with you. You have your binder with all

555
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,079
the needs and stuff, and buying singles to feel sense,

556
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,640
I found is not a financially intelligent thing to do.

557
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,160
So what I do is I buy giant.

558
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,759
Speaker 3: Thank you for calling me an, idiot, Dan, I appreciate that.

559
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: Oh you just said, you buy bulk and then you

560
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,799
take the bulk and you trade your ex and you

561
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640
fill in your set. I mean, to me, that's the

562
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,240
best way to go. You know. Of course I thought

563
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,480
I bought a giant bulk box of sixty eight to

564
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880
finish my set, and I ended up just getting like

565
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,039
tons of extras.

566
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,079
Speaker 4: So but that's to me, that's fun, Like, that's that's

567
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,839
fun because they're like in my work life, I make

568
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:20,200
order out of KI and that's kind of when you

569
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,440
buy a bulk lot or and.

570
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: I buy bulk.

571
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 4: I you know, I came home with I came home

572
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,000
from my trip with a couple of thousand cups. I'll

573
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,279
buy a cuple of boxes a bulk and there's a

574
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,480
particular store I go to. I'm not going to tell

575
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:36,839
anybody where what city, but I always buy bulk sight

576
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,519
unseen because when you collect everything, it's there's no risk

577
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,599
you're going to fill out, you're going to fill out

578
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:47,279
some sets and stuff like that. So eleven two hundred

579
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:51,279
plus different sets I have, so and that just keep

580
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,400
that just keeps growing.

581
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,799
Speaker 1: This this comment here, I think is the anti set

582
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,200
builder comment, which I totally disagree with it. It's not

583
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,240
consistent with my experience. I opened up binders all the time.

584
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,319
I was looking through two of them yesterday, through through

585
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,440
sets that I have and building my fifty two Bowman set,

586
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,279
and I got in a whole bunch yesterday and went

587
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,240
through and I saw cards that I did for a while,

588
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,039
and I just I just enjoy going through and looking

589
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,599
at them. Some of these sets, card after card after

590
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,720
card are just fantastic, So I don't file them away.

591
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,359
I mean, they're right ones right here, ones right here,

592
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,720
others are right here, so you know you can you

593
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,759
can always look at them.

594
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 4: And you know how I look at my set when

595
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,079
I do buy a bulk whatever it is to do

596
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,799
whatever I have the opportunity to upgrade. So if I

597
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:35,720
get a bunch of sixty eights, I've had the sixty

598
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,440
eight set done for a very long time. If I

599
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,720
get a bunch of sixty eights, guess what I'll look

600
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:43,039
through my set to see if there's any upgrade condition

601
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:43,720
upgrades in that.

602
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,359
Speaker 3: And then guess what I'm looking through my sets. You

603
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:46,880
know what I mean.

604
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,799
Speaker 4: It's it's there's plenty of opportunity for me to my sets,

605
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,839
which is great, and I'm not going to pretend to

606
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720
tell you how to how to put your set. I

607
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400
have sets in factory boxes. I have sets in eight

608
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,720
hundred count boxes. I have sets and binders, so we

609
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,319
have all all sorts of kind of sets everywhere, and

610
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,599
that's what set building is fun. Every time you add

611
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,839
a card, you're gonna see a bunch of other cards

612
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,079
when you're adding it in. So it's just a it's

613
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,920
a hobby for a reason. You know, I'm finding enjoyment.

614
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,799
I'm not fine. It's not a competition. So if you

615
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,440
feel like it's competition, then maybe it isn't as much fun.

616
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,599
Speaker 3: But to me, it's a ball.

617
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

618
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I used TOMC myself. I mean I have

619
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:24,920
I've since hundreds of cards over there. I have broken

620
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,920
up some, I send a lot of the stuff over there.

621
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,079
And I bought some cards from COMC recently that I

622
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,480
just got in to finish a set that I hadn't finished.

623
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,000
So I used COMPC a lot for that too. But

624
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,279
unfortunately com C has just raised their prices, Dan, I

625
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,880
don't know if you knew that. They literally doubled their

626
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,440
prices right now.

627
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,599
Speaker 4: So that's kind of so it's to me, you know,

628
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,920
it just it's just another example of again we're in

629
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,519
a unique hobby and a nuanced hobby and trying to

630
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:59,599
fit that into traditional business structures and formulas. It just

631
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,160
part of the joy of the hobby is it doesn't

632
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,079
fit into that. That's why cards shows are in and

633
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,319
that's because I always say the secondary market is undefeated

634
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,039
because you can't. It's very difficult to apply to practices.

635
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,359
To our heart, there is you know, we're all we're

636
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,279
all doing what we want.

637
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 5: We're not doing what they want.

638
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,119
Speaker 3: Com see. For a very long time, I guess was.

639
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: Successful and more and more difficult to collectors aren't conforming

640
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,880
to their structure. So their structure can't conform to collectors

641
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,720
because then they're not going to make any money. So

642
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:30,799
I guess now there's a line in the sand, and

643
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,680
it's we'll see how that goes for them in the future.

644
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,480
You know, I understand costs and expenses continue to go up,

645
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,839
but don't tell that to the person that wants to

646
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,000
collect eighteen cent cards. You know, the eighteen cent card

647
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,200
is going to be eighteen cents for the next five, ten,

648
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:46,240
fifteen years, So.

649
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,599
Speaker 5: It's difficult for people to do that.

650
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: It's you know, that kind of market, and com See

651
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
does a lot of bulk stuff too. It's difficult for

652
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,160
people to find deals on that. When that's going to be.

653
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,599
When that's the case, they're going to find it difficult

654
00:30:59,599 --> 00:30:59,799
to do.

655
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that.

656
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of disagree with this. I

657
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,400
found the card shows. I find stuff there that I

658
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,079
can find online. You know, it's the way I collect,

659
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,880
and so I think they're actually kind of efficient in

660
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,319
a way.

661
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: You know, it depends on which show, right, you know, yeah,

662
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,519
modern modern, that may be the case. Be like, wow,

663
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,839
but you guys are looking at yelling cards and caramel

664
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,359
cards and all that stuff, and it's like, you know,

665
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920
it's not you don't see them everywhere.

666
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: So it depends on what you're after.

667
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: You know, if you're if you go into a show

668
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,480
in the same one of fifty or forty nine, you

669
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:39,279
have three or four of them in the showcase, that's difficult.

670
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,160
But when you see the cards that you guys are

671
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,440
looking for and you don't see him that often. Mine

672
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,960
was for a very long time. In nineteen fourteen, cracker

673
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:48,119
Jack Keating, Right.

674
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, ever.

675
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: I only saw that at one show ever, and I

676
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,039
ended up getting that card through very bizarre circumstances. That

677
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,920
very card ended up in my basement with Stands card

678
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,759
from his collection at the National selling it because he

679
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,119
just got a new one. So then he said he'd

680
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,000
priced it for me. Then he turned out selling it

681
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,440
at Boston for way more than I would have paid for.

682
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,400
That card ended up on eBay for less than what

683
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,000
stand sold it. Then it was listed by Dean's Cards.

684
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,920
So then I went to Dean's Cards website and it

685
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,960
was less. It's there for less than what Dean was

686
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,759
selling it from eBay. I ended up getting it for

687
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:21,839
about four hundred dollars, less than what Stan stole it

688
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,079
for so sold it for a couple months earlier. So

689
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,119
it's very bizarre. But I'm saying like, that's these cards

690
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,079
that show up. I don't know how modern collectors think,

691
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,000
but we get to a point where we've seen, we

692
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,960
have seen stuff come and go and regret not buying it.

693
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
And that's a card right there. Like a couple of times,

694
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,279
you know, you go on eBay. Now I think Stan's

695
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,000
got one of for like twenty nine hundred dollars for

696
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,720
an authentic nineteen fourteen keating. You just don't see him

697
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,960
that much. So thankfully you learn a lesson and then

698
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,279
then you react, and then you get a little creative

699
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:52,319
on how to get that it.

700
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: Certainly wasn't going to pay stan two grand for that card.

701
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:56,119
I ended up getting it for.

702
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: A lot less through weird means.

703
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,519
Speaker 4: But that's that's part of the fun, you know, that's

704
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,160
part of the creativity of the hobby that necessarily, like

705
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880
the industry, doesn't see that creativity and doesn't know how

706
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,400
to react to it.

707
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: Thanksfully.

708
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: Well, one of the good things now is we have

709
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,359
you know, through through modern internet stuff, you can go

710
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:15,839
through so many different auction houses, just more than ever.

711
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,119
Even the dealers themselves have their own sites. I mean

712
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,319
you look at Ash, you know, and he's got cars

713
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,440
on eBay, but he has them on his own side,

714
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,279
and you can get cheaper. You know, you got a

715
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Garrett from ball Park Memories has his own website. So

716
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,519
a lot of these dealers, even the smaller dealers, have

717
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,519
their own sites, and you can get stuff a lot

718
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,519
cheaper there than you can get on eBay. I mean,

719
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,200
even some auction houses like CIA, you can get really

720
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,839
good deals there, and there's just so many options. And

721
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,160
now you got Layton Sheldon that started the auction wire

722
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,039
where you can search there. They search every single auction house,

723
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,920
well not yet, but they will, you know, in the industry.

724
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,960
So there's just so many options for collectors right now

725
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,160
to find the specific cars that you need. And you know,

726
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,920
like John says, you got to be patient because you'll

727
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,200
find those cards eventually. They're out there. The key is

728
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,359
to get them at the right price. And that's where

729
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,280
sometimes eBay is not the best and sometimes the auction

730
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,719
houses are the best, but sometimes they are. You just

731
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,320
never know. You gotta heys important.

732
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,079
Speaker 3: So listen, here's here's something that I abide by.

733
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,639
Speaker 4: Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. So if you

734
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,480
have a plan to go to a shard show to

735
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,960
get a card, it's not there. You know, we've talked

736
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,280
about it before, Like you have that single focus on

737
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,119
getting a card, Uh, then and you're not there, then

738
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,960
then the show is a bus But planning for everything,

739
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,840
you know, whether it's a break or whether it's a

740
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,360
I'm talking about like maybe an ash Ashes break, uh,

741
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:43,519
you know, Facebook Marketplace or Facebook Twitter. Auction houses all

742
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,000
that stuff like, there's a lot of options. You're putting

743
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,639
all your eggs in one basket, then, uh, I'm not

744
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,599
sure that that's the right way to do it. So

745
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,000
you know, you can have a plan, but it's going

746
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,119
to be as soon as as Mike Tyson says is

747
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,320
the first as soon as somebody gets punched in the nose,

748
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,280
plan goes out the window. But Dwight Eisenhower said that

749
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,280
about plans. Plans are useless planning and dispensable. So be

750
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,079
ready for anything at any time. Pivot all that stuff.

751
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:07,599
It should be.

752
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 3: That's how I operate in my professional life.

753
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,559
Speaker 4: It helps my hobby and hobbies there would be fun

754
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,719
filled with angst on whether you're going to find the

755
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,840
card at that show.

756
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: Just take it. My Philly experience this time was was

757
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,920
a good indication of mixing them both because Stan Locke

758
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,840
put pictures of his cases up on ig So I'm here,

759
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,360
I am scrolling, you know, scrolling and then and then

760
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,679
zooming in on his pictures, and I found the card

761
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,039
that I wanted that I knew going in to the

762
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,840
show already what I was looking for, and I and

763
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,280
I did, I got it and got rebel card. Right,

764
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,920
and uh, And I had a plan. My plan was

765
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,039
to bring a card, an extra cracker Jack card that

766
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,039
I knew Stan was going to want, and it ended

767
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,320
up being really good because he ended up wanting it

768
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,599
for his own collection, and that really worked out. So

769
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,960
I got a trade cash deal for the card that

770
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,400
I saw before I even left New York City. So

771
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:00,960
there you go.

772
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about Stan's table? I think everybody

773
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,960
should know this or this, but those are all duplicates, yeah,

774
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,920
which is I'm not sure how many dealers are doing that,

775
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,559
and that volume he does. It blows me away that

776
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:18,719
those are his dupes. And he's the same way. He's

777
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,000
a collector who's upgrading. So the fourteen Crackerjack heating became

778
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,039
available because he had gotten another one, and he had

779
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:26,800
won a better one in an auction, a one or.

780
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,519
Speaker 3: A one point five.

781
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,559
Speaker 4: So that's one of the things I love about Stan

782
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:32,159
is he's a collector and those are all his.

783
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,559
Speaker 2: Well, Dan, didn't you upgrade one of his.

784
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,119
Speaker 1: Cracker Jack exactly? And then and then two days later

785
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,679
he sends me a text. The show's already over, he's

786
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:43,960
already you know, home, And he sends me a text

787
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,599
he says, look at this, look at how much you

788
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,760
upgraded me, and he was really happy, and wow, I

789
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,599
just made this guy. Yeah, so you.

790
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Know John and all the different places that you can

791
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,039
get cards, and you know, if your friends, there's another

792
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,280
way to get cards. And one of the guys that

793
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,039
you know became friends with it. But he follows me

794
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,199
on my channel and stuff mark Dodgers' cards. He was

795
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,840
checking Facebook and he found a card that he thought

796
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
would be something I would look for, and he immediately

797
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,559
text me, puts me in contact with that person because

798
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,880
I really am not on Facebook market and stuff, and

799
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,960
I was able to pick up this Armando Marsance card

800
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,119
and it's a wild baking It's the only one. It's

801
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,639
the only one that exists. He saw that it's a

802
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,519
nineteen seventeen mile baking and as soon as he saw it,

803
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,320
he says, got to go into Orlando's collection. He put

804
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,079
me in contact with the guy on Facebook marketplace and

805
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,719
I ended up picking that up and it's one of one.

806
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,360
It's the only one that exists. So I would have

807
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,199
never found that card if it wasn't for all these

808
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,679
marketplaces and some friends. Knowing the kind of stuff that

809
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:50,599
I collect and contacted me about that.

810
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,159
Speaker 4: You know, what do anything wrong with that card is Orlando,

811
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,599
is that it can't tell its story, its journey, you know,

812
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:58,920
like what has that card gone through in the last

813
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,760
hundred yearly in ten years?

814
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,159
Speaker 3: I would love to hear that card tell its story.

815
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah.

816
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: What is that New Orleans that say in the back?

817
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,880
You know, is that where the bank is?

818
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:11,039
Speaker 2: It's a New Orleans.

819
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just crazy to how many how many New

820
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:16,360
Orleans summers did that thing.

821
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: Have to said?

822
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can imagine.

823
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.

824
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's got the address on it.

825
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

826
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: I love that it has the address of the factory.

827
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,280
And what I do is I will now if I

828
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,679
had that card, I would go on Google Maps and

829
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,320
I would look it up and I would see what's

830
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,960
at that address now? And I did that recently when

831
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,079
with import was it called I carry in the name

832
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,760
Import card from like the thirty four and the factory

833
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,800
still exists in New York City. It's like ten minutes

834
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,599
from here. So I walked over there and there to Starbucks.

835
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:50,559
Speaker 3: Now probably right, I I listen, I'm a weirdo, dude.

836
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,599
Speaker 4: I drive past old houses and old buildings and wonder

837
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:57,239
what's inside those walls or what's in that attic, and uh.

838
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,039
Speaker 3: It's it's fun, you know.

839
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 4: I've always had an imagine nation, So it's fun to

840
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,880
think about like what's hiding behind the plaster or what's

841
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,400
in the attic or what's in the basement and stuff

842
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,559
like that, because they're still out there and there's you know,

843
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,360
we know that cards are going to there's a good

844
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,880
portion of cards that are still out there undiscovered, meaning

845
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,400
you know, behind the wall or something, and unfortunately, they're

846
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,159
going to die. Most of them are going to die

847
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:21,559
a horrible death unless by chance, somebody is doing a

848
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,800
renovation happens to find them. Otherwise are gonna get hit

849
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,440
with a bulldozer and get knocked over and be relegated

850
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,199
to history, I guess.

851
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Collection.

852
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: It was incredible that Layton you found a wagoner. I

853
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960
mean that was great. Somebody had that in there, you know,

854
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,320
in a picture frame.

855
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

856
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: Crazy still after that, and it's not like, you know,

857
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,760
there's a you guys know, there's a lot of cards

858
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,079
that we weren't talking about thirty forty years ago that

859
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:50,119
are hot right now.

860
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Again.

861
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,559
Speaker 4: The caramel cars andlings, you know, even the cracker Jacks.

862
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,599
But yeah, everybody, you know, everybody's knowing about the Wagoners

863
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:00,480
and decades, so the fact that they still kind of

864
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:01,440
pop up now.

865
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,039
Speaker 2: And then I said late but I mean golden, golden.

866
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, John, you got any tips

867
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,519
on organizing your collection?

868
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,079
Speaker 3: I mean, you got a collection? Is such a broad term.

869
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,079
Speaker 4: Right, Let me ask you guys, how many cards do

870
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,159
you think you guys have in each?

871
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,159
Speaker 3: Dan? How many you have any?

872
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty thousand maybe, ok, far less than you?

873
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: How about you Orland over fifty?

874
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

875
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 4: And Dan, I know you've gone through some trauma with

876
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,599
your cards natural of that stuff, so your collection might

877
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,039
might have been bigger at this point.

878
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

879
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: You know. The good news about that it was the

880
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:38,239
Hurricane Sandy in my parents' basement in twenty twelve, is

881
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,559
that most of what I lost was the junk wack stuff,

882
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,079
boxes of score and even Dondris and you know that

883
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,519
kind of stuff. And so I did lose I did

884
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,800
lose vintage cards. I remember opening up a binder and

885
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,480
seeing in nineteen seventy one Clemente literally like stuck together

886
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,000
and moldy, and it was just awful but for the

887
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:05,840
most part, I would see my vintage survived most of.

888
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,039
Speaker 5: It except for the sixty four giants.

889
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: You lost the sixty four giants. Yeah, I did throw

890
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,719
out the whole set of sixty four giants, that's true.

891
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,079
I can't believe you remembered that.

892
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: I forgot.

893
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 4: I can't remember where, I can't remember my dog has

894
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,159
the guy, but I can. So the number one rule

895
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,400
of being organized is the more you have cut yourself

896
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,880
enough slack to realize you're a little bit nice. I

897
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,840
like to say on between ninety five and ninety nine

898
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,840
percent organized, meaning correctly logged into TCDB with my database

899
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,719
and choice, having moved on from back in a few

900
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,639
years back, knowing where stuff is, accuracy, all that stuff.

901
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: So what I think is the more you have, the

902
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,440
more lenient.

903
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: Of yourself, a little more break knowing that you're not

904
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,480
going to be one hundred percent right.

905
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,599
Speaker 5: And it has nothing that it's not a cognitive thing.

906
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,679
Speaker 4: It's just that when you're dealing with numbers and names

907
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,559
and stuff like that, it's human nature that we get

908
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,199
things sort of. The more opportunities we have, the more

909
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,280
we may mess something up.

910
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: So just take it easier on yourself. To realize you

911
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,400
might not be one.

912
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,639
Speaker 5: Hundred more stuff, you know, I know that's again, this

913
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,280
is a hobby.

914
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 4: We're not talking about a lot of us do some

915
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,360
interesting things in our professional life just because we're that

916
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,039
we have to be that way.

917
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: In the basement.

918
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 4: And that's one of the problems where things I have

919
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,000
right now, like this hobby is supposed to be a

920
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:28,760
respite from the real world, Okay, because there's enough pressures,

921
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,519
whether it's in our family life or our work life,

922
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,840
there's enough pressures there that we have to meet head

923
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,400
on and off.

924
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,039
Speaker 5: The hobby shouldn't be that pressure. It shouldn't be a pressure.

925
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:41,639
Speaker 4: And one of the problems now is, you know, real

926
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:45,039
life has like barged its way into the hobby. Uh

927
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,920
you know, pricing, we're competitive up pricing, we're entitled or

928
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,920
this or that and all that stuff. It's still a

929
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,960
hobby and that's that's the That's what you have to remember,

930
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:57,360
whether you're organizing whatever. If you're into a hobby and

931
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,639
I'm into it for the hobby, there's people that are here,

932
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,400
say there's people that are their hobby is the hobby.

933
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,679
My hobby is collecting, So enjoy it and don't put

934
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,920
pressure on yourself. There's a guy on TCDB that was

935
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,159
going on about how he's a database manager and all

936
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:11,960
his prices need to be accurate and match up.

937
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,119
Speaker 3: I'm like, if you're worried about that, man, you're in

938
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:14,880
the wrong hobby.

939
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,519
Speaker 5: It's always been a little bit of chaos, little chaos, and.

940
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely a hobby's supposed to be for fun and too,

941
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,960
you know, relieve the stress of the world, you know. Yeah,

942
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,199
there was a comment from Fun Funine made a comment

943
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:33,280
on the fifty four Wilson Franks. Yeah, just send one

944
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,400
into CIA auction. So if you're justed for April, there's

945
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,079
a fifty four Wilson Franks in the slaughter that's autographed

946
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
that I see in So if you're interested in that one,

947
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,639
it'll be in next month's off. Yeah. Those are beautiful cars.

948
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,719
I love that one day. That's another card I love

949
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,079
to get, the Ted Williams.

950
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always been a dream card from mine, Flying Wieners.

951
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,559
Speaker 2: I love those cars.

952
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a few from this I've asked and

953
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
also but this is the best one. It's the Feller

954
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,679
card Fellaws smiling at the hot dogs. This is who's

955
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,480
frowning at them.

956
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,679
Speaker 4: This is going to be taken as a dig, and

957
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,840
maybe it was intended that way. I'm not gonna tell

958
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,880
anybody when's the last time you saw.

959
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: A beautiful card? Mate? You know what I mean? Like

960
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,079
those cards right there look like artwork to me. I mean,

961
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:16,920
regardless of the.

962
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: Value, Like that Feller card, he's part I'm not sure,

963
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,400
you know, I really like, you know what, I really

964
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,079
like a lot of the stuff that was made.

965
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,639
Speaker 5: Between ninety five and two thousand five or even twenty ten.

966
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,599
Speaker 4: You know, you have the the ud masterpieces and you

967
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,719
have the newer Turkey beds.

968
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: I really love that. But I feel like there's nothing.

969
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,519
Speaker 1: Lately that coaches that you look at that.

970
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's holding a whiffleball bat right there. That's me, man,

971
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,280
that's me in the alley.

972
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: But it's like the red and the green and the

973
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,400
yellow and he's smiling, and it's just the composition is fantastic.

974
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,880
You know, things today are are.

975
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: This is what they are today. Somebody's going to say,

976
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,800
that's a cool. Look at card. There's fifteen variations. It's

977
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,480
a different color.

978
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry for hours, at my rate, my work rate,

979
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,960
that's a lot of money.

980
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah really, yeah, I can't. How do you count that high?

981
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960
I mean, just did that Chap log in?

982
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: He logs in every uh yeah, hits the button every

983
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,039
time he gets into the hobby for twenty.

984
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: See, here's the thing. I'm the opposite of that. I

985
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,800
have to log those hours in my business. In my hobby,

986
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,199
the time is not kept. You know, I much talk.

987
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,639
Speaker 3: I'm much called a salaryman, so I don't have to.

988
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, budgets keep track of mine when I'm in here.

989
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,039
It's the time stands still. So that's the until somebody

990
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,440
you know comes in and says it's time to do something.

991
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: If you love what you're doing, if you love what

992
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,320
you're doing, is that's the thing about cards. I don't

993
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,800
care how long I play with my cards. I enjoy it.

994
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,320
I love it.

995
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Hot Dogs need cards again, Yeah thing because you end

996
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,000
up you know, I have some of those hot dogs

997
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,440
cards what they're called. But they got you know, they

998
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:11,960
got all the their messy let's put it that way.

999
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: Dan, this has really been a good hobby hotline. We

1000
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,320
haven't really talked about the industry. We're literally talking about

1001
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,079
the hobby.

1002
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we had a second we had another

1003
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,360
topic which was more industry oriented, which we're not going

1004
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,519
to go to because we're almost that time right now.

1005
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,360
But a lot of the people in the chat were

1006
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,920
saying exactly what you're saying right now, Orlando, is that

1007
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,159
we and John thank you for calling in, because Orlando

1008
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,159
said we should get a call in and you you

1009
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:43,000
you you had a premonition we would get a great caller,

1010
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:47,800
a John Keating sighting, which is always very welcome. And John,

1011
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,960
I really thank you for coming on and uh keeping

1012
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,519
the hobby hotline on on the hobby and so uh,

1013
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,280
you know the the I haven't really been able to

1014
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,000
keep that up with the chat as much as I

1015
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,079
would like to, but the chat been terrific also.

1016
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 4: So I'll talk about the industry real quick here, and

1017
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,039
it kind of blends the last couple of things we've

1018
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,039
talked about the hobby who doesn't listen or the industry

1019
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:11,639
who doesn't live in the hobby, I don't care what.

1020
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,760
And he says, they don't listen to the hobby, but

1021
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,199
if they were smart, they would be putting cards on

1022
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,199
the back of cereal boxes or in because it's free advertising.

1023
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Remember back in the day, like there was no skin

1024
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,400
off anybody's teeth. Kellogg's was printing boxes or Hostess was

1025
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,440
printing boxes. Anyway, was no added expense. But it's great marketing, right,

1026
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:37,320
So why aren't you putting your cards there for free

1027
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,360
and having somebody else do the advertising. Fanatics could license

1028
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,639
stuff out a food manufacturer or a beverage manufacturer, again

1029
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,280
at no cost to them, and they would do their

1030
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,119
marketing for if you if you had a kid who

1031
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,039
want to, hey, check this out, went to Burger King,

1032
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,000
you know, and gave your card, three of your cards

1033
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,719
away with a meal. What you're looking for is those

1034
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,599
five or six or ten kids out of one hundred.

1035
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,559
That hobby is a stick let Burger King do your

1036
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,440
marketing right, and you sit back and you're gonna have

1037
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,360
people buying cards. I think that that's there. We're so

1038
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:13,679
lost in the whole world of ROI and revenue and

1039
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,320
market share and all that stuff that they don't know

1040
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,239
how to get the markets.

1041
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: You know.

1042
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 4: They're trying to protect or grow their market share, they say,

1043
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,719
but they're not doing anything to do so. The prices

1044
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,000
are going up and the only thing I see, you know,

1045
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:29,639
fanatics vest and drawings. If you put cards back in

1046
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,880
hot dogs or cheetos or or you know whatever, because

1047
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,880
that's gonna you have. You have a captive audience, and

1048
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,079
you have a demographic that you can hone in on

1049
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,599
and put those cards. And I was saying, I always

1050
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:43,960
say the w NBA has lost a big opportunity. They

1051
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,599
could be putting cards in girl scale cook right, and

1052
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,199
think about the market. You want to grow the w

1053
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:53,760
NBA with females and males, but get more women into

1054
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,519
the hobby, which makes you know, will produce more revenue.

1055
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,679
Put them in girl scale cooks. Do this or like

1056
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,559
they're just so my OPI and how they're they're marketing

1057
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:02,079
their stuff.

1058
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: What a great way to get the kids to go

1059
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,119
with their mom's grocery shopping and get them out of

1060
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:12,239
the house. Get the cards in the potato bags, get

1061
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,199
them in the yellow.

1062
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: For you. This this is a card that was from

1063
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,519
what's it called Milk Lake to Lake Milk. They stapled

1064
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,119
it the milk carton. You can see the staple mark.

1065
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 3: It's perfect.

1066
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: Well, you put them out of the milk boxes and

1067
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,639
put them everywhere. I mean even the red hard dog food.

1068
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: Are on the bottom of the bottom of a jello box.

1069
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know brilliant.

1070
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean they're already printing and making those boxes and so,

1071
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,320
you know, like we said about hosts, cogs was a

1072
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,079
different deal because they had to insert the cards in there.

1073
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:51,119
But it's a slam dunk. But they can't see. They can't.

1074
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,960
You know, it's it's really tea ball versus fastballs, like

1075
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:56,960
it's all teed up from the dew.

1076
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,599
Speaker 3: They just can't.

1077
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: They're waiting for a fastball or a slider cutter and

1078
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,559
a ball sitting right on the tee and they don't

1079
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:06,199
want to take a swing. So yeah, it's don't give

1080
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,360
me this growing the hobby ten x stuff if you're

1081
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,280
not going to put in effort the lawyers.

1082
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's all about licensing.

1083
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 4: Really well, it's always been about licensing. That hasn't changed

1084
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,519
in my lifetime. I'm not as old as most people think,

1085
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:20,760
but I was born in sixty eight. There was it

1086
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,039
was always about licensing after Marvin Miller, right, and that

1087
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:25,519
would have been laid sixty.

1088
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: So nothing's changed.

1089
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,039
Speaker 4: Even when Tops had the monopoly it did you know

1090
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,920
there was still availability to license things outside of trichinal

1091
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,920
trading card and you know the back of a hostess

1092
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,360
box in theory. Wasn't a trading card, so it didn't

1093
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,679
violate any any license agreements.

1094
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 5: It was the back of a box.

1095
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's you know, you have to think.

1096
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 4: I think as we spit people out of business school,

1097
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,800
they start to think everybody's thinking the same instead of

1098
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,800
like again, you know, my biggest client is data driven,

1099
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,679
and I've had to tell them time to be dataew

1100
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,960
not that because the world does not run off of data.

1101
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:01,079
Speaker 3: You know, your your.

1102
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 4: Miles per gallon on your car isn't the miles per

1103
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,639
gaw and it depends on how many hills you have,

1104
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,360
depends how you accelerate all that stuff. The nuanced world

1105
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:12,960
and fanatics would be best to understand that sooner rather.

1106
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: All the young guys. I think they need some of

1107
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,639
us holder guys to to do some marketing for them.

1108
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:21,320
You know, all they do is market right through the

1109
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,119
breakers there.

1110
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: Hey, Dan, so you and I take a lot.

1111
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,599
Speaker 4: Well, Listen, people like Orlando and Mike Petty think just

1112
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,800
because they have a great head of hair they're superior

1113
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:32,679
like you and I, Dan, and I don't think we

1114
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,239
should take that.

1115
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:35,199
Speaker 1: Some hair left.

1116
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: Mike Petty's probably older than me, and he's got perfect hair,

1117
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,679
yet he thinks he thinks it superior, and I'm not

1118
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,280
going to take that.

1119
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:46,639
Speaker 3: I've got it.

1120
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,519
Speaker 4: I've got Hey, Mike Petty, I'm like you, My roof

1121
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:50,280
on my car goes.

1122
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: You got so that's almost like a convertible.

1123
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: Good for you, But there you go. Oh no, I

1124
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:01,159
refuse to admit that ball I still have hair.

1125
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,599
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I had to break it to

1126
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:04,800
you on the hot line.

1127
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: Dan, you're killing me. You give me trauma from like,

1128
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,800
you know, fifteen years ago, remembering cards that I lost,

1129
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,239
that I forgot that I lost.

1130
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it happens to us, all right,

1131
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,480
like that happens to it. It's not the end of

1132
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,119
the world that we lost cards because oddly enough, you know,

1133
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:25,400
we talked about the fifty two mantle.

1134
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,159
Speaker 3: There's no shortage of the prices. There's no shortage of this.

1135
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,360
So anything you.

1136
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 4: And I lost, Dan, probably you know, doesn't make the

1137
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,559
hobby news. I'm not sure about Orlando, because Orlando's on

1138
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:36,400
a different level.

1139
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, Well, the good news for me is that

1140
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,719
all that stuff that I lost, even the stuff that

1141
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,719
I've sold and traded away back in the day, I've

1142
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,480
replaced it. All I haven't. I know what cards I had,

1143
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,920
and I've got them all back right, so that.

1144
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Even even though I'm getting older, cards made me feel

1145
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,280
like a kid again. And that's really the old basis

1146
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,800
of this hobby. It's just, you know, they make you

1147
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,400
young if you douce all this stuff, best thing you

1148
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,400
have in your life. And I think that's the best

1149
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,000
part about the hobby. You know, as a lifetime collect

1150
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,119
lifelong collector, you know, it's kept me young, it's kept

1151
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,320
me excited, and there's always something new for me to

1152
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:11,800
go after.

1153
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:16,679
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, But I've learned that if I mute myself

1154
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,159
while the sirens are going up First Avenue, it's better

1155
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:20,199
for everybody's ears.

1156
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: Where are you, man, Tyran? Did you move to Teyran?

1157
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: It literally there's a there's a window right in front

1158
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,840
of me here that goes right out onto First Avenue,

1159
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,559
and First Avenue has ambulances going up because this hospital

1160
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:37,360
is all along First Avenue and it's the un and

1161
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,480
the NYU Hospital all that stuff.

1162
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:42,039
Speaker 3: So it's not a very charming place to live.

1163
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very traveled thoroughfare, but it's

1164
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:48,320
charming place. Charming is not really the word, you know,

1165
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,280
but there's so much happening and there's never a boring

1166
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,800
moment in this city. So speaking of yeahving a boring moment,

1167
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,559
there weren't any boring moments in this show. And I

1168
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,159
I just you know that the Chat has said it

1169
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,519
and uh and they're right that. Uh, you know, it's

1170
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,039
nice for a hobby hotline to be only about the hobby.

1171
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,440
And so I have two of my favorite hobby guys

1172
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,679
on with me, and I really really appreciate Orlando. Obviously

1173
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,880
we've done many shows together, but we never did a

1174
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,559
hobby hotline together. Hopefully we will again soon. And John Keating,

1175
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,679
you know, always always welcome to hang out with you,

1176
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:33,400
being person or virtual. So I'm gonna we're over. We're

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over a little over an hour, but certainly been a

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great show, and like I said, the chat great for them,

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and uh so I'm gonna run the run the outro,

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uh take care Hobby Hotline. I'll be back next Saturday

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at eleven a m. Eastern and uh hopefully I don't

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know when I'm hosting in April, but I'll be hosting

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in April at some point. So we will see you

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guys again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

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Speaker 4: Just want to remind everyone we are a live show

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every Saturday morning, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific on

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the four Collectors channel on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: That's the number four, the word Collector's channel on YouTube.

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We hope to see many of you live on a

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future Saturday. We have a great interactive chat room and

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we always provide a link for anyone that wants to

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come on the show and chop it up with us.

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So that's a reminder.

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Speaker 4: Every Saturday, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific only four

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Collectors channel on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Hope to see you on the show.