WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.480 On location today were our good friends at Tim Dolly. 2 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:05.280 It's their used car side of things. We've been at 3 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.800 several different Tim Dolly locations. This one's new for us though. 4 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.240 It's forty five forty five South Main Street. Trust me, 5 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.400 put that in your GPS and follow it. Don't try 6 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:16.399 to get cute. You'll get lost like I did. Forty 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.679 five forty five South Main Street here in Salt Lake City. 8 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:20.600 All right. 9 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:23.280 Our next guest, one of the best to ever do 10 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.000 it at the University of Utah. On the basketball side, 11 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.120 Josh Grant joined us not too long ago, and Josh, 12 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.039 I've got a lead off with whether or not you 13 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:35.880 got as much feedback about your interview on this show 14 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:36.520 as I did. 15 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.479 I actually did get a lot of feedback, and a 16 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:43.759 lot of people are really we're really excited about the 17 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:48.439 direction of college basketball. But truly, I really appreciate you 18 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:50.039 having me back on again so I can kind of 19 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:52.920 clear my name from that massacre that came to the 20 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:54.200 hands of Britt and Johnson. 21 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.759 I was I was wondering if you Britt you know, 22 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:00.920 I mean, you know, Britt, He's tongue in cheek and 23 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.759 obviously he was being a little bit facetious. But I 24 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.400 was wondering if you heard Brick go at you a 25 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:07.560 little bit, so the floor is yours, Josh go at him? 26 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:11.640 How can I not hear that guy? He's so loud. No, 27 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.560 I mean he's not and talked about how we're such 28 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.359 good friends. Man, the old adage is of friends like that, 29 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:20.480 who needs enemies? But no, he's a character. He's a 30 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:22.799 funny guy, and we have been friends. He's been, you know, 31 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.439 busting my chop since I dated his sister when he 32 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.120 was about five, and I think he was a BYU 33 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:32.040 fan at the time. But no, he's a good guy, 34 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:35.120 a good friend. He just has no filter. Even you 35 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.439 know his brother Jeff as I was texting him, what 36 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.120 the heck is your brother saying about me? And Jeff 37 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:42.319 even said that, you know, he's a loose cannon. Nobody 38 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.920 can control him, so you just got to take it 39 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:48.840 for what it is. He's a goofball. But I do 40 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.040 have one thing I have to say about him. When 41 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.719 he was talking about Alex being a coach on the 42 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.480 floor and how he would grab Britt by the jersey 43 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:01.159 and scream in his face, it's not totally because Alex 44 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:05.599 is a coach. It's because Alex knew that Britain did 45 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:07.680 not even listen to what Coach had just said in 46 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.680 the time out or in the whole week of preparation, 47 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:12.520 and so he was trying to make sure he was 48 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.120 at the right place at the right time. Britain has 49 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.599 a little adhd. I think he can't really concentrate that well. 50 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.080 We got a little ute legend on Nute Legend Crime 51 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:27.199 here with Josh Grant and Britton Johnson. But nonetheless, Josh, 52 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.159 your wish has been granted, and I will give you 53 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.520 the credit because you were the first guests I had 54 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.719 on the show who said this job should go to Alex. 55 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.360 So now that it is official, I just want to 56 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.039 know your reaction and if you could share with us 57 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.400 the reaction of people that kind of live in your 58 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.520 cul de sac, in your community. How are people feel 59 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:46.879 about it? 60 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.919 I think that first of all, I was so happy 61 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.080 when I finally heard Okay, it's a done deal. You know, 62 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.039 there's always going to be some bumps in the road 63 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.879 and some concerns and things like that, but once I 64 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.800 heard the contract it's been signed, everything's good. I was 65 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:04.879 a static. I think that Alex is going to do 66 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.439 such a good job. I think he's just such a 67 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:11.080 good person and that and that good thoughtful person. He's 68 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.280 going to be the same way as a coach. He's 69 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.280 going to get the most out of his players, he's 70 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.639 going to recruit intelligently, and he's going to build a 71 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:22.400 culture here. And I firmly believe that all those things 72 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.919 that I've just mentioned are in a spreadsheet in his 73 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.039 head and each one has, you know, each cell is 74 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.719 filled with an idea of how he thinks it will work. 75 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.560 He's just very thorough and just very thoughtful, and so 76 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.319 I'm very pleased. And I think the whole community is 77 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.000 people that I've talked to, there's just an air in 78 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:47.240 Salt Lake City and in Utedom that people are just 79 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.479 really excited for the first time. I haven't seen people 80 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.360 this excited for a really long time. I mean it's 81 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.080 been it's really been twenty years that people as a 82 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.400 whole have just been really excited about what's going to 83 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:58.479 happen and the potential of what is in the future. 84 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.759 Are you find a little sign of chest thing, Josha 85 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:05.840 bear with me. Are you aware of how this process 86 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.719 went down? Like, do you know if this was Mark's 87 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:12.479 one and only target or are you aware of whether 88 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:16.680 or not Mark Carlin interviewed multiple candidates before landing on Alex. 89 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.560 From as I understand it and was told, it was 90 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:25.560 you know, the decision was made that we need change 91 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:31.120 directions from Craig and that they were they were gonna 92 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.160 let him go a little bit early, and part of 93 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.959 the purpose was we need to build a relationship with 94 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.600 our players, because there's some good players on this team, 95 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.480 and also they wanted to just jump right on the 96 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.360 fact that Alex was their number one guy. I believe 97 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:50.360 that Mark talked to others, but Mark's whole mission was 98 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.839 to make sure that Alex knew he was the number 99 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.879 one guy, and we needed to see what it was 100 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:58.639 going to take to get Alex to come, and so 101 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.519 he may have had some back up just in case, 102 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.480 but he was going full hearted at Alex and wanted 103 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.839 to make sure that Alex realized that he was a 104 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:09.759 humble choice. 105 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.040 Any any thoughts or maybe you know whether or not 106 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:19.319 Alex was immediately open to this or was this a process. 107 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.000 I mean, I know Dallas liked him. I know his 108 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.839 wife really very much enjoyed living in Dallas, and I've 109 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.959 been told that this wasn't something that Alex jumped at 110 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.600 right away, that it did take some time. But if 111 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.240 you're aware, can you illuminate us kind of how this 112 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.199 process went down? Maybe the interest on Alex's side. 113 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:42.600 Yeah, I've been talking with Alex oh Man for a 114 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.240 number of years, and not like daily, but obviously each 115 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.399 time the season starts getting worse, I'll text him or 116 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:51.600 we'll run into each other and I'll just say, are 117 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.439 you ready to come yet? You're ready to come yet? 118 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.319 In this situation, I sense in his voice a little 119 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:02.360 more enthusiasm and excitement. You know that he was actually considering, like, 120 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.360 you know what, that might be a really good, good option. 121 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.199 And then you know, of course, once you start to 122 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.680 settle down and think, Okay, my family going to be 123 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.800 okay with this? Do we have good support? What's the 124 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.639 nil money? Like, what would our plan be? Who's going 125 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.759 to be our just the behemoth that he now has 126 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:23.639 on his shoulders trying to get everything figured out to 127 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:25.720 kind of build the culture and the team and the 128 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.879 structure and everything that he wants. And so I think 129 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.879 his initial and this is just my opinion, Alex didn't 130 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.120 tell me. This is my read on it. He was 131 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.040 excited at the opportunity, for sure, and then maybe the 132 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.040 weight of all of the things made him step back 133 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:41.959 a little bit and say, Okay, before I commit to this, 134 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.759 we need to make sure we have some clarity on 135 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.680 a few things. And I think that maybe is what 136 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.680 took a little bit longer to get everything ironed out. 137 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:54.360 So, as I've been talking about ever since the news 138 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.920 about Craig hit the airwaves, whether it was Alex Jensen, 139 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.120 whether it was a Josh Jimmy Soto hybrid, whether you 140 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:06.279 resurrected Rickmanjaris, no matter who the candidates were, they were 141 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.480 going to ask Mark and President Randall the same thing, 142 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.439 and that is what is the economic viability and the 143 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:18.680 financial infrastructure of my program, of the basketball program? So 144 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.360 do you have any insight on where we're at right now? 145 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.720 Because if you can't write checks, you're not getting talent, 146 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:24.720 not in this day and age. 147 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:30.079 Josh right, No, it's true. I don't know the insight 148 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.000 on that necessarily. I just probably have heard the same 149 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.600 thing that you've heard, that people are excited enough about 150 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.920 having Alex as the head coach that at least they're 151 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.759 coming to the table to have discussion. There may be 152 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.519 some donors who have verbally committed to say, you know what, 153 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.040 if Alex is here, we're going to get more money. 154 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:52.480 I don't have a shore known fact, but I also 155 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.600 have a belief that this is something that you have 156 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:56.800 to build. I don't think somebody's showing up with ten 157 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.040 million dollars to say, hey, Alex, here, you go, go 158 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.160 and do it ten million what you want. I think 159 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:04.639 he might be a situation where Alex has to kind 160 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:08.920 of prove that that he's utilizing the funds effectively and 161 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.759 that he's putting together a good team with good people. 162 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.360 And I know that, I know that, you know, Britain 163 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:19.959 has some crazy ideas about how it is completely nil 164 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.639 money and I know a lot of people think that. 165 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:23.920 But and this was one of my issues when I 166 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:28.319 would hear you say things about former coaches here that 167 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.480 that we're good coaches. If you can't coach players that 168 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.120 don't demand high nil money, how are you expected to 169 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.919 coach players that do demand high nil money. And so 170 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.840 I think that Alex is a good coach. He's going 171 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.279 to be a coach, and I think that he's going 172 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:48.360 to recruit the proper people and it's it's a little 173 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.919 bit about the personality. If you look back at Utah 174 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.240 basketball history, and that's kind of how I always gauge 175 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.200 a lot of the things that I say, is what 176 00:08:57.559 --> 00:08:59.919 has happened in history. And you look back at On 177 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.440 and you look back at Keith and Doleyak, look back 178 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:06.879 at Byron Wilson. In my era, they were good people. 179 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.240 You know, they were raised right, They realized the importance 180 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.759 of loyalty, They wanted to be coached, They appreciated people 181 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:18.600 who appreciated them. And so, yes, you're gonna have to 182 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.240 pay those guys nil money, but you've got to find 183 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.960 those good kids first. Don't just throw your money, you know, 184 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.120 willy nilly, to just go get somebody kind of lived 185 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.519 by the sword, you die by the sword. And if 186 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.080 you're gonna just chase after kids who who are demanding 187 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.159 this high nil money, is that really the culture that 188 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.559 you want to build here at Utah. And so, yes, 189 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:42.799 he's going to have more money from what I understand, 190 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.000 But I still think that it's just people are just 191 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.840 barely starting to wake up again to the basketball program. 192 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:52.080 They've been asleep for a little while because the program 193 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.559 just hasn't been so stellar, but I think at least 194 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:58.120 their eyes are open and they're very interested to see 195 00:09:58.120 --> 00:09:59.279 what's going to happen next. 196 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.399 I'm sorry, did you say that you had take an 197 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.840 issue with me saying the coaches here in the past 198 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:07.879 had been good coaches, genuinely curious. 199 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.799 Yes, yes, you're you're too nice and now you know, 200 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.960 I hope Craig's not listening. Craig was a nice guy, 201 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.639 but nobody said anything about Larry being a nice guy. 202 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.600 The attitude of that was Larry didn't coach. And so 203 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.200 it's a little bit of an unfair comparison when we're 204 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.720 are we gaging people by their niceness? Are we gaging 205 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.639 people by their coaching ability? And so you can you 206 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.840 can see obviously that, you know, we had some disparity 207 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.000 in how our guy were they prepared well enough when 208 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.679 they came out on the floor that they had confidence 209 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.159 in knowing what they were doing. And to me, I 210 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:43.320 didn't see that, And you could you could say that 211 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.200 by you know, Gabe Madson is a great shooter, a 212 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.000 great shooter, Why was Gate not able to shoot the ball? Well, well, 213 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.720 they didn't really execute in offensive sets. Did he have 214 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.639 his feet set? Did he come off a screen. Did 215 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.080 he set the screen up properly? Was the screen set properly. 216 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.080 There's just a lot of those things that you know, 217 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.799 Rick taught me to value and just to notice. And 218 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:09.039 so that's why I say, you know, there's a big 219 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.840 piece of this whole pie that includes good solid teaching 220 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.440 and expectations and people have to be responsible for things 221 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.600 that have been taught them, and that's I think what's 222 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.919 been missing the most last twenty years. 223 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:25.720 Well, Josh, I'll tell you this. I have to say 224 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.720 thank you because I've been doing this nearly twenty years 225 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:30.879 and that's the first time anybody has told me that 226 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:34.799 I am too nice, Josh, So I appreciate that. 227 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:38.759 Thank you. You're always very kind, always maybe to a cult. 228 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:41.720 Okay, all right, well you know what, I'll take that feedback. 229 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:43.960 I'll take that criticism, and I'll try to be better 230 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.840 with it. So let's talk about, now, Josh, how you 231 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.320 would like to see this staff filled out. I've heard 232 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.360 that they're talking Andre. I'm sure you have inside knowledge 233 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:56.480 that most of us do not. But that's only one seat. 234 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.600 So let's get your thoughts on whether or not you 235 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.440 think Andrea's high speed head to home, and maybe some 236 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.679 other thoughts on who you'd like to see city next. 237 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:08.240 Alex, Yeah, those are that's a great, great question, Andre. 238 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.639 I think Andre wants to come. I'm pretty sure of that. 239 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.639 He may be just trying to get the final parts 240 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.919 and pieces together so that he'll be comfortable. But I 241 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.399 hear it's very close. I don't know if the deal 242 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:23.360 has been signed, but I hear it's close. And Andre 243 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:28.600 will bring such an amazing presence. From a recruiting standpoint, 244 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.799 I mean, who wouldn't if Andre Miller showed up at 245 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.799 your front door and you live in LA. Who's not thinking, 246 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.879 Holy cow, Andre Miller is standing on my doorstep right now, 247 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.159 and he could actually teach me how to get to 248 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:44.440 the NBA. And so I think from a recruiting standpoint, 249 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.120 it's amazing. Just from his feel for the game is amazing. 250 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.279 You hear a lot of these pros on these YouTube 251 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:53.440 channels and podcasts talk about how Andre Miller was such 252 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:55.919 a great mentor to them, and he would ask questions 253 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.399 just simple like but what do you see here? And 254 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:00.799 he wouldn't just tell people stuff, would make them think 255 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.480 and learn and figure things out for themselves. So I 256 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.720 think that's that would be an amazing partnership with he 257 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.159 and al After that, I you know, I don't even know. 258 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:11.720 Back in the old days, I think you had three 259 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.679 coaches and you had one graduate assistant. Nobody else could 260 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.480 be on the floor. Nowadays, I think I counted like 261 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.200 what eight ten coaches on the bench the other day. 262 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:24.039 So I think you just have to be the number 263 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.919 one higher or not the number one higher somebody. That's 264 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.279 really important is getting somebody who can act as your 265 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.399 general manager. You've got to be able to keep track 266 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.960 of nil and make sure that values are maintained and 267 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.519 how much money do you have, and how do we 268 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.039 kind of put the players together, which is kind of 269 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.360 new for college basketball. It's more of an NBA thing. 270 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:45.440 But I think Alex has got to get somebody in 271 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.720 that position that would be helpful to him and just 272 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.080 kind of keep an eye out on him and make 273 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.519 sure that he doesn't hit any big potholes, you know, 274 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:57.159 as as he's kind of figuring all this stuff out. 275 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.759 So you've got to get get a good general manager 276 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.960 who understands kind of everything. And then you've got to 277 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.200 get somebody who can recruit the state of Utah. You 278 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.600 know Britain again, I can't help it. I got to 279 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:11.600 get back at him. It's just a love it room, Bacher, right, 280 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.120 love it, love it. Britain sat and talked about how 281 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.360 I was wrong that, you know, you can't build a 282 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.320 team with Utah players and so on and so on, 283 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.559 and maybe you can win the Whack and the Mountain, 284 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.279 but you can't win the Big Twelve. And I don't 285 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.679 disagree with him, and I never said that. I said 286 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.639 you have to build a core group of players who 287 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.679 are from Utah. So I asked, I was talking to 288 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:33.000 my friend Ryan Boyak about this, and we look back 289 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.039 at the championship team. Do you know how many guys 290 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:40.080 were on that team from Utah? Pike A guess three? 291 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:40.480 Four? 292 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.279 There were six? Six? Okay, so you've got the two Johnson's, 293 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:47.279 You've got Al, You've got Hanson, and then you've got 294 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.200 the backup center. And then there was another cut kid 295 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.679 who I can't remember his name. He didn't play a 296 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.360 whole lot. I think he ended up redshirting because he 297 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.279 heard himself. But six players, so you've got to be 298 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:59.679 able to start to build that that that win of 299 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.600 shooting the best players in Utah. So you've got to 300 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.320 have somebody who understands and has relationships or can build 301 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.519 relationships with the local kids. And then after that, I think, 302 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.440 you know, you've got to get people who can build 303 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.120 player or do player development, and who can you know, 304 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.440 fix people's shots and work on some of the basics 305 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.799 and things like that. Do I have names for you now? 306 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.200 I don't. And if they asked, if they asked Britton 307 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.799 Johnson to come be a coach, don't let him tricky. 308 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:29.960 He would drop everything he's doing to come and be 309 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.000 a coach. He's he's trying to be mister Koy. But yeah, 310 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.960 and who wouldn't. I mean, it's a it's a it's 311 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.559 an opportunity of a lifetime really to come in and 312 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.279 to be able to work here at an alma the 313 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:43.639 model that you love, that you have passion for, and 314 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:45.840 I think that goes a long way. And that's another 315 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.960 thing I think has been missing is this passion for 316 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:53.720 the University of Utah. And that's another box that Alex checks. 317 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.879 He loves the University of Utah. He has great feelings 318 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.519 of his experiences here. So he's gonna he's work a 319 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.399 little bit harder and maybe have a few more sleepless nights. 320 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.480 If things don't go well, which I'm not saying they will, 321 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:08.440 but it'll still be a challenge for him. He'll just 322 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.759 he'll be a little more concerned maybe and put a 323 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.639 little more into it. So yeah, I'm excited as everybody 324 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.879 else is, just to see who who is gonna come 325 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:19.840 and sit around, and who's gonna have input, and who 326 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.639 will have Alex's here, who will be Alex's Jeff Jutkins, 327 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.120 you know, like he was to Rick mcgaris. And it's fun. 328 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.559 It's just exciting, it really is. This is such a 329 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:30.080 good time. 330 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.879 Now at the next Utah basketball great reunion? Are you 331 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.519 and Britt gonna be good? Are we gonna see some fisticuffs? 332 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:40.200 Are Are you guys gonna be all right the next 333 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:40.919 time you're together? 334 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.600 First of all, both of us are so skinny that 335 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.279 we probably couldn't hurt each other if we actually did 336 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.879 throw a blow. But no, no, that's just Britain. We've 337 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.120 known Britain a long time. I'm not gonna hit him, 338 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.279 he's not gonna hit me. We'll probably just start laughing. Okay, No, 339 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.639 we're good, We're good, okay, And. 340 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.879 I would be remiss Josh. If I didn't ask you, 341 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:06.480 I would imagine if Alex is interested, you'd be interested 342 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.839 potentially in talking to him about sitting on that bench. 343 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:13.279 Right. Oh. Absolutely, Like I said, it's an opportunity of 344 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.839 a lifetime. And as I as I've watched this whole 345 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.920 thing go through, I've asked myself, is this something that 346 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.279 I would like to do. And you know, sometimes people say, well, 347 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:24.519 you haven't been coaching, and I think back, and I 348 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:27.119 talked to Jeff Judkins because he had a similar situation 349 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.440 where he didn't coach for a while. I mean, he 350 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.680 was just working as an average joe when Rick mccheris 351 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:36.039 brought him back. And so I think that, you know, 352 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:37.839 there was a time when I had to decide did 353 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:39.559 I want to turn left and go into coaching, do 354 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:41.440 I turn right and try to get into you know, 355 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.680 work force America. And just because I decided to go 356 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.799 right and to work Force America, the information and the 357 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.279 knowledge that I had learned over my you know, fifteen 358 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.200 year career or seventeen year career, it didn't just disappear. 359 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:58.640 So it's always been in there. And I think it 360 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.440 would be a lot of fun to just be able 361 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.839 to help in some way. Whatever that means, I don't know, 362 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.279 but I think that, you know, I do have some 363 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:09.240 things to offer for in state kids. I could go 364 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.079 and tell them how awesome it is to be a 365 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:16.119 hometown boy, because really that played such a big part 366 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.200 of my life, just kind of being here, being an 367 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.400 East High graduate. So, you know, if it's obviously it's 368 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.119 up to Alex, but if there's anything I could do 369 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.319 to help, I'd be more than happy to jump in 370 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:27.880 there and do it. 371 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.160 At the risk of being too nice, you're Josh freaking grants. 372 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.400 You didn't need to carry a clipboard around for twenty 373 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.720 years to be able to be qualified. Josh, But let 374 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.000 me move over here before I set you loose, because 375 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.480 you referenced and we had Tim McMahon on the show 376 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.799 who covers the MAVs or ESPN, and Tim reported it 377 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.400 Alex would finish off the season with the MAVs, but 378 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.079 MAVs ownership has given him complete carte blanche to go 379 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.279 start doing what he's doing to lay the found work 380 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.319 for his new job. And I'm just going to read 381 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:57.160 off the names of the players that are eligible to 382 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:58.559 come back next year, and then I want to get 383 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.000 your thoughts and we'll say you lose. So Ezra star 384 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.200 as a junior and Kanu DAEs. You know, coach eilerd 385 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:06.519 played Kanu more minutes than Craig did, and Kana had 386 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.400 three double doubles in the five games coach Eyler coached. 387 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.440 So we've got Ezra, We've got Kana Dawes, we got 388 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.920 Mira Little. We also have Jake Wallen and Mike shrab 389 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.599 Jams are the main candidates to come back, at least 390 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.720 on paper. So what do you make of that list 391 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.279 of names? And who do you think Alex should look 392 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:27.640 at to try to get back next year? 393 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.799 You know, I love all those guys you mentioned. I 394 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.640 honestly think that you know all this is the difference 395 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:39.079 of opinion between me and Coach Smith. But I think 396 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.640 that you take either one of those point guards and 397 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.599 then you add the other the other three, and then 398 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.720 if you have somebody like Caleb Caleb Loner, it was 399 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.680 such a beast on defense. I think if you started 400 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:55.559 those five guys just to kind of set the tone defensively, 401 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:58.400