WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.840 Oh bad, that art. 2 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:48.200 That Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the 3 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.359 Cult of Conspiracy. Now I am the Cage to Night. 4 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.960 I'm ravingly and today we are going to take a 5 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:58.600 little journey relatively recent but still. We're gonna take a 6 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.759 little journey back in history here to the nineteen thirties, forties, 7 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.079 and we're going to end up somewhere in the sixties. 8 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:09.200 So before we begin, I go ahead, I need to 9 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:10.319 give it this disclaimer. 10 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.280 And I have always been on this. I will never 11 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.840 be off of this, and I make no apologies. I 12 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:23.480 fucking hate commies. They are not people. I will stand 13 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.760 by this until the day I die. 14 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.400 I did not know where you're going with this, because 15 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:28.799 you have a lot of things that you're pretty a 16 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.280 staunch and your passionate about, I. 17 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.319 Know, and sometimes to my detriment. And I'm willing to 18 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.840 acknowledge that. And you know, I'm trying to learn more, 19 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:43.159 gain wisdom and perhaps kind of slow down some of 20 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.599 the more visceral hatred I have towards things that I 21 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:49.200 had as a younger man. And I acknowledge this. No, 22 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.040 I stand on business on this one. I'm keeping it 23 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.040 ten toes down. Commies aren't people, and they all deserve 24 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.439 a very brutal death. I stand by this, this being said, 25 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.519 what is that is a take? It is the take 26 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.519 I'm probably gonna stay on until the day I die. 27 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:06.079 I'm sorry. 28 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.759 The more I look at for you of it, the 29 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:10.840 more I look into it, the more it's It is 30 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:16.280 the most detrimental and harmful system ever devised by human beings. 31 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:21.919 More than chattel slavery. Communistic ideals have killed more people 32 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.479 in such a short amount of time. Like, it's mathematically 33 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:30.479 the most deadly and dangerous system human beings have ever created. 34 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.000 You'll have to break it down for I feel like 35 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.960 most people should know what communism is, but some people 36 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:37.840 actually don't, and a lot of people get kind of 37 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.680 things get better confused between fascism, socialism, communism. 38 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.319 Okay, and I'm glad you even brought up fascism on 39 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.080 this one because that does make its entrance. 40 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:47.919 But all right, so let's break this down and know 41 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:48.840 the episode. 42 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:49.800 Is so what is it actually? 43 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:50.280 Right? 44 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:50.479 Right? 45 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:50.680 Right? 46 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.280 So this episode is not just gonna be a shit 47 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.639 on Carl Marks, although I will do so till the 48 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.280 day I die, But today we are gonna be talking 49 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:04.240 about Soviet spy that infiltrated five and six specifically to 50 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.960 spread communism and feed intel to the Soviet Union. But 51 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.960 to answer your question, what is communism? So this guy 52 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.879 named Karl Marx wants upon a time decided to write 53 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:22.240 a book, and that book reads more like a utopic 54 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:27.599 ideal set right where everybody pitches in, regardless of what 55 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.879 job and what socioeconomic class they were born into. Whatever, 56 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.000 everybody makes the same amount of money. There's no higher 57 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.759 or lower standard of living. The ones that have more 58 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:42.080 give to those that have less, and everybody is egalitarian 59 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:43.080 as fuck. 60 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:44.639 It's equal across the board. 61 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:50.919 It's very utopian, and by the book and by the ideals, 62 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:52.759 it is a perfect system. 63 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:53.840 That's fine. 64 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.599 However, it will never work because human beings do not 65 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.159 breit in such way. You could have a communist utopia 66 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.319 work to five hundred I would maybe, And I'm being 67 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.319 very generous when I say maybe a thousand people, because 68 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.520 no matter what, human beings inherently want more. And I 69 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.360 don't mean on a consumeristic kick. I mean just because 70 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.720 we want a higher standard of living for our children than. 71 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.879 What we got. That's inherent to all human beings. 72 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.680 That means that we have a drive to achieve more 73 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.000 than our parents did, and we want to instill in 74 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.759 our children a drive to achieve more than we did. 75 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:32.879 And so it goes. 76 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.759 This means that we always are gonna have a can 77 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.360 do attitude, and there's going to end up being haves 78 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.399 and have nots, doesn't matter to what context. Even if 79 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.439 there's no money and it's all farming, the dude that 80 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.800 has the beef farm is gonna have a little more 81 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.839 as far as leverage goes than the beat farmer. I'm 82 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.439 very sorry. This is just what it is, right. The blacksmith, 83 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.639 who you have to rely on him to make all 84 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.279 of your tools to farm your land, he will have 85 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:07.240 leverage to hold over people to where he will have more. 86 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.160 This is just human nature. 87 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:14.120 And hierarchies happen in everything, so it's gonna be inherent anyways. 88 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:20.600 Absolutely, and in the communistic way. Every single time period, 89 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.120 hard stop period, every country, every nation, every group that 90 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.879 has enacted a communist system, the haves and have nots 91 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.759 get so vastly different. Like I understand, we have you know, 92 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.399 a one percent of wealth in America. I absolutely understand that. 93 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.040 And they are waging war on the middle class. Right now, 94 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.439 I acknowledge this, And I'm not saying capitalism is a 95 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.360 perfect system. I'm saying it's the best one we've come 96 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.439 up with, just as of now. But in a communistic system, 97 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.399 every time, the oligarchs and the ones at the top, 98 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.160 the boys that are like really tight with the leader, 99 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.680 will be living five star mansion lifestyles while the rest 100 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.120 of their country are starving. 101 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.720 And this happens on repeat every time. 102 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.079 And then even further that point, and you know about plants, 103 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:10.600 you know about farming, raven Liso Marxist farming became a 104 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.439 thing where basically, and as I say this, I'm gonna 105 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.000 watch your IQ points drop in real time. 106 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:18.759 It's mind blowing. 107 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.319 These people, these grown ass adults who had been farming 108 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.319 for years and all this stuff. Right when Russia took 109 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.120 over and the Soviets took over, the communistic ideals took 110 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:33.160 over Russia, they took all of the farmland from the 111 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:37.240 farmers and kicked them out because oh, that's your family land. 112 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:41.839 You mean that it's the nation's land now, right, So 113 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.480 then inste keeping the people that ran these farms for 114 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.800 decades and centuries, who knew how to farm, they instilled 115 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:52.720 Marxist farming with plants. So what do I mean by that? 116 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:58.399 Every plant, regardless of breed, genus, which season they would 117 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.480 best thrive in, doesn't matter. They got a one foot 118 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.680 by one foot plot of dirt. And wouldn't you know 119 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:08.560 Raven lead that they felt the famine for decades. 120 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:15.680 Wow, it's really interesting mindset when it comes to gardening. It, 121 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:17.199 especially when. 122 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.439 Mass agriculture done to this scale. It wasn't a yard. 123 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:24.279 This was their entire food network for the entire nation 124 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:31.800 done like this. Yeah, but roll, because wouldn't you know it? 125 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:36.040 Nature is about survival of the fittest, and certain plants 126 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.279 and certain animals will do better in certain environments than others. 127 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.199 And maybe you should plant at certain times of year. 128 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.079 Perhaps this type of plant requires a little more dirt 129 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.560 for their root network, and maybe this one doesn't. 130 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:49.800 Require as much water. This takes nohow. 131 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.920 But according to Karl Marx and all of the communistic 132 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.240 way of thinking, everything is equal or else it's not good. 133 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:05.399 That doesn't inherently work for any society never like ever 134 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.600 has it or will it ever? I could only see 135 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:12.120 it happening if it was under five hundred people. And 136 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:17.639 these people were raised, some talking about taking infants and 137 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:22.079 putting them into this society, and they were inherently brainwashed 138 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.800 from the time that they were you know, in diapers 139 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.639 up to pretty much you know, this is the way 140 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.040 it is. But even that, though, is still going to 141 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.600 need some management. Everything is about management. If anyone's watched Fallout, 142 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.320 we all know it's true. It's all about management, though, 143 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.159 like you're still going to have to have a type 144 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.519 of hierarchy regardless of what your system is in place. 145 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.320 You're going to have to have some type of ruling 146 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:53.399 class to help maintain order and discipline in peace within 147 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.200 the community. Now, there could be a lot more of 148 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.759 sharing within the community, and you know, everyone's kind of 149 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.799 will in us sense the majority is equal, but there 150 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.240 will inherently have to be someone in charge, right, and 151 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.960 people are naturally There's going to be natural people that 152 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.799 want to follow and natural people that want to lead, 153 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.960 and there's nothing wrong with either or for the record, 154 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.279 there is nothing wrong with either art there's nothing. 155 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.720 Wrong with being a follower as long as you do 156 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.320 as you're supposed to do and the organization or the 157 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.600 movement or whatever thrives. 158 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.559 This is how And they also you know, protect you, 159 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.799 and they share with you, and they make sure that 160 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.039 you're safe and doing everything that you're supposed to be doing, 161 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.960 because the natural balor and leaders are going to want 162 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.799 to inherently lead, and that's not something that you could 163 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:42.639 just brainwash out. Like it's going to arise, even if 164 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.039 it's maybe not the first generation, the next generation will 165 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.759 have that natural instinct come out. Plus we have natural 166 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.440 instincts of flight or flight and wanting to herd together. 167 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.519 And there's a lot of different things. I mean, in 168 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.240 a in a fantasy book land sure, exactly, okay, But 169 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.519 like even bookleans know that this won't inherently that people 170 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.279 will suffer at the bottom naturally. 171 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.559 This is my issue with it. Okay. 172 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.039 So Carl Marx himself he wrote a book called the 173 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.919 Communist Manifesto, okay, and people took this book and applied 174 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.879 it literally and then it developed a cult following, which, 175 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:23.360 for the record, communism is a cult. Then we have 176 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.679 had so many people come on the show that have 177 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:27.159 said that they used to be a member of the 178 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:30.399 American Communist Party or this group over here, whatever the case. 179 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.399 And every time, because you're also not allowed to have 180 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:38.440 religion or spirituality at all perp time, and you are 181 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.320 not allowed to think of a greater being. 182 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.759 The society is the greater being, the nation is the 183 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.480 greater being. That's it. Everything start stops an inn. 184 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.080 So like Equilibrium the movie, There you Go. 185 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.679 So we had Lindsay Sharman from Rogue Way. As a 186 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:54.559 matter of fact, friend of the show love her to death. 187 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.159 She used to be a Communist like card carrying member, 188 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.200 and she is not a religious human being, but she 189 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.240 is more of the spiritual vibe type. And whenever the 190 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.879 Communists told her that she could not be that and 191 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.879 be a communist, well wait wait if that's the case, 192 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.360 and what about this, and what about this? 193 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:12.440 Oh, you know what you need to do. You need 194 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.120 to read this book, you need you need to read 195 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.399 this other literature we just found. You need to redo this. 196 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.639 Basically, you were forcing the person to reindoctrinate themselves every 197 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.360 time they came up with a question. 198 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:23.919 Or put a plot hold in an effect. 199 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.679 Basically, so, and that's that's the going trend with this organization, 200 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.759 this whole mindset of communism now communism itself, and we're 201 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.039 gonna now shift to what socialism is as opposed to communism. 202 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.679 So communism has pretty much a leader for life type 203 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:44.480 of situation. It's essentially dictatorship with a communist hierarchy. Socialism 204 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.879 you get to elector slave owner. Every few years, you 205 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.919 get an election and you have this sense of choice, 206 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:55.720 but it's literally just Marxist ideologies repackaged in a way 207 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.200 that makes it look like the people have more freedom, 208 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:04.399 but that's not true. And socialism and communism work great 209 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.759 until you run out of money and you run out 210 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:10.480 of food. Every time period it has ever been attempted 211 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:14.240 on the history of the Earth, it goes great until 212 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.559 the nation itself runs out of oil, runs out of gold, 213 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.360 and then somehow their food network always collapses because communism 214 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:22.519 and food just don't go together. 215 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.080 It's like water and oil. They don't mix, right. 216 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:28.679 So it's a whole thing now when you bring up 217 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:34.360 what is fascism. Fascism if you were to take the 218 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.879 alt right and the alt left, and I don't mean 219 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.919 like you know what you're seeing on the media these days, 220 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:46.200 I mean the extremeist of the ideologies on the farthest 221 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.240 of the right and the farthest of the left and 222 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:54.080 combine them under one military, totalitarian regime. 223 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.440 That's fascism sounds super fun. 224 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:00.799 That's why so many people will say that the Nazis. 225 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.360 Like, okay, so you'll have leftists that will claim that 226 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.120 everybody on the right is a fascist and a Nazi 227 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:11.159 because certain right leaning ideologies the Nazis was a part 228 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.600 of the Nazi rhetoric. On the same side, the Nazis 229 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:18.720 were a socialist party, not that whole acronym that is 230 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:23.279 the National German Socialist Party. That is what Nazi stands for. 231 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.240 And the right can look at so many of the 232 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.120 socialist ideologies that they have and say, no, Nazis were 233 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.919 clearly left leaning. In reality, they are the worst of 234 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:36.200 the farthest of both if this makes sense. 235 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:38.879 But it does. I mean, I already know what they are. 236 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:40.840 But like, yes, I think you did a really good 237 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.919 breakdown for people, you know, to understand kind of what 238 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.200 it looks like with all three of these things, and 239 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.919 then interres in this conversation of the thirties, forties, and sixties. 240 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.440 I'm curious to see how this plays out. 241 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.360 Yeah, so let's let's paint a picture here. 242 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.720 Okay, let's we're gonna be talking about England, jolly old 243 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:02.039 as some might say. 244 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:03.639 Oh, I mean, we might as well just call it a 245 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:08.080 Muslim country now, so like it's not for England now. 246 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.039 It absolutely is. England has fallen. But I would also 247 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.759 argue that they started to fall with this group. Believe 248 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.840 it or not, I think the Cambridge five started. That 249 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.759 was the flick of the first domino that set everything 250 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.480 else in motion. And okay, let's talk about it more 251 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:29.000 so we're talking about England. Nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties. The 252 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.720 Roaring twenties was a good time for a lot of people, 253 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:33.440 and including England. 254 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:34.559 Their economy was doing well. 255 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:37.039 After this, it was the post World War One situation, 256 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.919 all the things, all the stuff. The Great Depression hit 257 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:41.960 and it didn't just hit the United States. That was 258 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.879 a worldwide felt phenomenon that took place. Nineteen thirties things 259 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:51.240 aren't looking so hot. But before the nineteen thirties you 260 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:55.039 had two movements that were growing in England. 261 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.440 If you got this guy named Oswalt Moseley who was 262 00:14:58.759 --> 00:14:59.840 a fascists. 263 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.639 As matter of fact, he was at Adolph Hitler's wedding 264 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:09.360 and he was pushing fascist ideals in England and was 265 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.360 trying to start the British Fascist Party. As a way 266 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.480 to take over their parliament system. So no longer we 267 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.399 got this right and left. He was truly founding and 268 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.360 growing the British Fascist Party. As a matter of fact, 269 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.240 he had a cameo in a Peaky Blinders. At that 270 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:29.600 same time, you had communists that were trying to start 271 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:34.000 a revolution. I don't mean a political party, I mean 272 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:38.759 an armed revolution inside the UK. And this wasn't just 273 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.840 in the UK, this was around the world. If everybody 274 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.559 thinks back to the Cold War and you talk to 275 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.840 like your grandparents, or if your great grandparents are still alive, 276 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.159 ask him about it, they will basically still hold true 277 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:50.799 of just. 278 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.960 Fuck comedies, dude, fuck them. 279 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.799 And that's really how they were brought up, because it's 280 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.360 not And I didn't understand this growing up. I didn't 281 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.919 understand why the Cold War was against an ideal, Like, 282 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.759 it's not US versus Russia. It was capitalism versus communism 283 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.279 in a war. This to to younger me, this made 284 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:14.799 no fucking sense. How do you how do you bomb 285 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:15.440 an ideal? 286 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:17.559 Right? How do you how do you stop that? That 287 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:18.320 makes no sense. 288 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:23.120 I now understand that it wasn't about just communism. It 289 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.000 was the spread of communism if it would have stayed 290 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.840 in Russia and just been a Russian thing, all right, 291 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.919 that's not a threat to anybody, you do, you right, 292 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.799 There's there's dictatorships that are going on right now that 293 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.799 America is not lifting a finger to go help. And 294 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.480 then there's some that were bombing the shit out of it. 295 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.200 But that's that's a talk for another day. We're not 296 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.919 talking about Iran today. But my point is the idea 297 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:53.039 of okay, communism itself, it wasn't just supposed to stay 298 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.600 in Russia. These fucks got together and decided we need 299 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:01.200 to send out essentially missionaries to spread the good word 300 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:06.039 of Karl Marx to the world, and they decided to 301 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.200 start going after young college aged people, which is still 302 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.240 what they do to this day. How many normal, decently 303 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.640 adequately intelligent kids do you know that go off to 304 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:24.680 college and they get indoctrinated with the most farthest left 305 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:28.599 leaning rhetoric that makes no actual sense, No common sense. 306 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.200 Person would speak like this, but they just say it 307 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:31.759 because some. 308 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.079 Professor and some club that they were a part of 309 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.400 or whatever brainwash them into this. 310 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.480 Thinking Yeah a lot, I mean. 311 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.599 But that's the thing, though, is they feed the rhetoric 312 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.839 in every class pretty much like if you talk like 313 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:48.440 them and walk like them. 314 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.480 You get a's yep, like real shit. 315 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:54.400 If you have different opinions, you might have some teachers 316 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.599 that are pretty cool and they're like, you know, are right, 317 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.200 I don't agree with you, but I'll still still give 318 00:17:59.240 --> 00:17:59.920 you a good grade. 319 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.680 They will, they will likely mark you down. 320 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.440 Then you have other teachers that are very staunch in 321 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.680 their bias and their opinions, and they want you to 322 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.519 quack like them and walk like them and do all 323 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.160 the things, and they will mark you down. I have 324 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:17.480 had this happen. I actually proved it to the dean 325 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.759 of the school that you know this. Actually it was 326 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:28.720 a vaccine paper about gardasil, and my teacher was extremely 327 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.359 extremely pro vaccine, of every vaccine you could possibly do 328 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.400 for your children and everything else. So my initial paper 329 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.640 I wrote was against vaccines, against specifically this vaccine, and 330 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:46.119 I had lots of data proving why she gave me 331 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.480 a D minus. I don't think I've ever received that 332 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.400 low over grade in my life. And I was like, oh, 333 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.920 oh no. So I talked to her and she was like, well, 334 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.599 you could tell by the language in which she's speaking that. 335 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.720 She was trying to be very politically correct and not 336 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.079 saying I march you down because I don't agree with you. 337 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:04.720 She found every other. 338 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:08.400 Thing to try to pretty much say that this is incorrect, 339 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.359 which this is not. I was like, okay, So I 340 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.799 came back and what I did was is I wrote 341 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.319 the same quality paper for the vaccine, with the same 342 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.960 amount of information, coming from the same sources, by the way, 343 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.400 and she gave me an a plus on it and 344 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.720 just raved about it and wanted to use it and 345 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:30.920 all this stuff. So then I took it to my 346 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.720 counselor and all this stuff, and I took it up 347 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.480 the chain and we had this whole conference and I said, okay, well, 348 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.680 you have two papers that are identical in the way 349 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:41.759 that they're written, identical in the sources that are being used, 350 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:46.279 identical in the length and everything else. One is pro vaccine, 351 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.039 which you are for. The other is I wouldn't say 352 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.200 anti vax. It's simply saying that this vaccine has and 353 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.599 will be continued to be extremely unsafe for women and 354 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:57.680 now boys as well. 355 00:19:58.039 --> 00:19:59.279 And these are the reasons why. 356 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.279 And you chose this paper because this is your bias 357 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.759 and you want everyone to believe exactly what you believe, 358 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.680 and the dean agreed and like, but of course nothing happened. 359 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.440 Of course she's you know, still allowed to be teaching. 360 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:17.680 And that's where the indoctrination comes into play with the 361 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:23.680 colleges is the information that's being pushed out is very 362 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.319 very i would say, left leaning when in how they 363 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.400 because they don't want offend nobody and all the stuff 364 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:35.519 and you know, blah blah, you have to use iservatives. Yeah, yeah, 365 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:38.920 but you have to use the language that they use. 366 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.200 So you have to be extremely PC on everything you say, 367 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:45.920 how you say it, the way that you approach it. 368 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.240 You you don't want it. Like, but that's not with 369 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:49.519 the liberals though. 370 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:52.960 Like, if you're extremely liberal and you're having a conversation 371 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:54.960 because we have these chatboards that we have to like 372 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:59.480 message in, it's okay for you to say your opinion, 373 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.440 but if you somehow insult their opinion, depending on the 374 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.160 teacher and depending on the program and all the things, 375 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.119 they will in fact mark you down or give you 376 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:11.599 an f or tell you the hey, I've flagged your stuff, 377 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.160 And then you have to have a conversation about how 378 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.759 your behavior has now affected other students, and your guidance 379 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.160 counselor is talking to you as a grown adult, like, hey, 380 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.039 so that was really offensive. It's okay for the offensive 381 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:29.519 party to be consistently doing this to everyone else, but 382 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.559 if you say anything back, it's very much like oh no. 383 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.119 And it's not just in one school. I have friends 384 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:38.839 across the country. Ye, And I've attended multiple colleges across 385 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.799 the country, and it is I will say, certain colleges 386 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:47.160 are better. Other colleges are extremely liberal, and they will 387 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.359 shove that shit down your throat. And that's where a 388 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.240 lot of the indoctrination comes in, and the regurgitation of 389 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:54.559 the same words on repeat, over and over and over 390 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:57.720 again with the younger generation because they don't know what 391 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:00.799 those words mean, and they are being told a speci narrative, 392 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:03.880 and that narrative is being hounded into their brain, and 393 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.279 that's how they think everything is supposed to be regardless 394 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:08.240 of any other information. 395 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.440 No, I agree with you one hundred percent. And see 396 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:14.400 that's the thing. You ravenly are intelligent, and you are 397 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:18.240 a freethinker. You're an independent thinker. So when some professor 398 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.559 does this, you're able to call the bullshit and just 399 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:22.920 kind of connect. 400 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.599 I also was in my thirties, so like mid late twenties, 401 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:28.880 early thirties going into this, and so that was a 402 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.240 big difference, you know, I was late twenties and then 403 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:35.119 going into my thirties. Verse an eighteen year old that 404 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:39.440 has been already indoctrinated, realistically in the school system to 405 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.160 follow the rules, not question, regurgitate everything that you're given. 406 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:46.319 Do not have a free thinking brain, because that's incorrect. 407 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:48.920 You're not supposed to be thinking. And that is the 408 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.400 way the system in America is forced down these children's throat. 409 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.240 You're not praised to be a thinker. You are praised 410 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.519 to be cattle and to not have any free thought 411 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:01.720 and to just do what you're supposed to do. 412 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:04.359 Sit quietly, do this, do that, and that's it. 413 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:04.880 Yeah. 414 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.279 So these kids are just listening. 415 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.920 To this brainwash shit on repeat, and they have no 416 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.440 freedom of thought, and they don't think that they can 417 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.960 and they're not really trying to think outside of what's 418 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:16.720 being taught to them. 419 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:21.559 Yeah, one hundred percent. And so that's the point here. 420 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.680 You're able to think for yourself. And people who I'm 421 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.759 not even gonna say it, had a certain upbringing, because 422 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.839 that's not necessarily true either. But you went to college 423 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.759 when you were relatively older than your classmates. 424 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.720 There's I started in college when I was so I 425 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.680 started when I was sixteen. I went to a specialized program, 426 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:43.839 I got into doing college classes, and even that, like 427 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:47.319 back then though, we could talk about ideas. And then 428 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:49.559 when I went to college again when I was a 429 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.359 little bit older, when I graduated, you know, they. 430 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:53.960 Were still you. 431 00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.720 It was the starting of I wouldn't say the starting 432 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:58.400 of it, because this has been going on for decades. 433 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:00.640 Oh but basically twenties. 434 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:03.119 Oh yes, no, this has been going on for decades 435 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.400 and decades, but the but I started to pick up 436 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.240 on the patterns, and then when I got back from 437 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:13.039 the Marine Corps, I really started to see the patterns 438 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.319 for what they were. But I also have already had 439 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.599 so much lived experience in my life to be able 440 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:23.160 to see all this versus children that have no lived experience, 441 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:26.799 and they are just realistically going from one institution to another, 442 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:31.519 to being force fed one information, to confirming and buckling 443 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.319 down on that same information as they're growing, and then 444 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.720 all they see on social media is the same rhetoric 445 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:38.720 that they're being fed. 446 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:42.839 So there's no free thinking allowed exactly. 447 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.240 And so getting back to the nineteen twenties, here, these 448 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:51.400 kids were going to Cambridge University, large, very famous university, 449 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:57.880 and they were being indoctrinated with communistic ideals. And we're 450 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:01.160 going to talk about them and the work of what 451 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:06.400 would become known as the Cambridge Five where Soviet Russia 452 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:11.880 was using them to spy on the English government. And 453 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.599 not only that, not just low levels, they had them 454 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:19.680 infiltrate five six and then later their own media. Yes, 455 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:24.079 Robert Maxwell, that whole thing we're talking about. Okay, all 456 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.200 of this to give Soviet Russia intel on what the 457 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.680 British government was doing. Because again, prior to World War Two, 458 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.720 it's not like the Soviet Russia and the UK were homies, 459 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.599 right the Cold War? Really, I know everybody says the 460 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.039 Cold War started as soon as World War Two ended. 461 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.319 That's not a factual statement. It might it's not an 462 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.240 incorrect statement, but there's a lot to the backstory that 463 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:52.720 people don't look at. In reality, the fascist Nazi Party 464 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.640 and the Communist Soviet Union were actually allies in the 465 00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.599 very beginning of the war. There's this thing called the 466 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:04.480 Ribbons Solf packed when Russia and Germany invaded Poland at 467 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:05.720 the exact same time. 468 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:07.440 They were on the same team. 469 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.440 And regardless of what people might think, the Nazis didn't 470 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:16.279 hate the Communists until the Communists went back on their agreement. 471 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:20.240 They literally signed a treaty with each other, and Stalin 472 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:22.799 said fuck that and went the opposite direction. And that 473 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.400 is why more Communists were killed in the concentration camps 474 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.359 and all these things like that absolutely took place. 475 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.440 But prior to. 476 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.200 World War Two, nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties, the Communist Party 477 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:35.480 was growing all over Europe, all over the world. Hell, 478 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.160 we had an American Communist Party that was springing up 479 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.440 and still have one to this day. However, it is 480 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.839 against federal law for any member of the Communist Party 481 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.759 to hold a office period under penalty of jail time. 482 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.279 There have been three elected in the last eighteen months. 483 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.799 I was like, don't we have a three right now? 484 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.720 They're at local city levels, but even still, by the 485 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:01.480 letter of the federal law, they should all be prosecuted 486 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.119 and serve jail time right now. And somehow nobody's enacting 487 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.359 that law because feelings are. 488 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.640 Something out fucking o hey, but it's at the point. 489 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.799 It's other point. So the Cold War and. 490 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.599 The reverberations of this where I should say the preverberations 491 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.599 of this really started to be filed in the nineteen thirties, Okay, 492 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:24.279 UK and America had a very very deep distrust of 493 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.920 the Soviet Union and the communist ideals that were taking 494 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:33.079 root all over the world. So Russia wanted some spies 495 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.559 in England to speak on behalf of whatever the hell 496 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.759 the British government was doing and what they were doing 497 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.799 to spy on Russia. It was a strip up spy 498 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.160 versus spy game, the mole finds the mole, the whole nine. 499 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:51.480 And this is where a certain individual was reached out 500 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.319 to and honey potted and in doctrinated to such a 501 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.279 level that he started to bring in some of his friends. 502 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.119 I'm not gonna say full on classmates. 503 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.519 Although two of them I think were and started what 504 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:09.839 would become known as the Cambridge Five. So, without further ado, 505 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.640 I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen at this time. 506 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.039 We're gonna get into the thick of it for anybody 507 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:15.559 that would like to see what we were talking about 508 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.200 rather than just hear about it. 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Let's get 531 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:25.119 into it all, right, So this is actually from a 532 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.519 newsreel talking about the things that came out later on 533 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:33.240 about the Cambridge five in I five files revealed the secrets. Now, 534 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.559 for those that do not know m I five and 535 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.480 I six, what are the differences, you might ask? M 536 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.480 I five would be more attributed to like the FBI. 537 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.640 They handle internal matters as far as you know, national 538 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.880 security spy things, doing investigations, all the things that's in 539 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.559 MY five six is like the CIA, they handle the 540 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.960 international affairs and they do that level of spycraft and 541 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:05.160 fieldwork and these types of things. So this conversation of 542 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.079 the Cambridge five that traverses both some of it was five, 543 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.759 some of it was six. However, the MI five investigation 544 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:14.799 into it is what we're talking about. 545 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:15.640 Let's get into it. 546 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:16.200 Well. 547 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.599 They sound like something out of a Bond film, except 548 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.200 they're very real. The Cambridge five British spies who fed 549 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.960 secrets to the Soviet Union during the Cold War. I 550 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:31.880 five has declassified a trophy of files, including equipment, training manuals, 551 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:36.440 and first hand accounts from the infamous university students turned agents. 552 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.960 Among the five Kim Philby, who went on to become 553 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.359 a senior figure at six before his deception was discovered. 554 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.440 The files reveal he met with a man named Otto 555 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.839 in nineteen thirty four. At the insistence of his wife, 556 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:55.960 a Communist Party member, Philby fled to Moscow after his confession. 557 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.039 In twenty ten, another member, Anthony Blunt, worked for the 558 00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:04.400 late Queen Elizabeth as an art advisor and eventually confessed 559 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.799 in exchange for immunity. However, her Majesty was not informed 560 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.119 of his involvement for almost a decade. In truly regal fashion, 561 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.039 a note among the collections says the Queen took the 562 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.680 news calmly and said she was not surprised. 563 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.720 Okay, so we're gonna talk about all five of them. 564 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.519 Only two of the names are just dropped. However, Wow, 565 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.240 the royal family gets brought in on this one because, 566 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.839 come to find out, there, for lack of better words, 567 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.599 their art guy, the one that made sure that they 568 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.640 had the art, their surveyor who was like buying really 569 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.759 expensive pieces of art for them, a historian all these things, 570 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.079 who was very intimately connected with the British royal family 571 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.519 was a part of this and was feeding the Soviets 572 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.079 information about the Royals, while the other side of it 573 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.440 was feeding them information about the government, right, because the 574 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.079 Royals and the government are separate somehow in Britain, but 575 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:03.079 somehow still connected. 576 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.240 It's very interesting, but beside the point. 577 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:09.400 So, come to find out they knew that he was 578 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.440 a communist and said nothing. They kept him in the 579 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.880 loop for years, knowing that he was a communist and 580 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.960 probably a spy, and they just didn't care. 581 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.319 That's really odd, Like why would they do that. 582 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.279 Because the British Royal family are fucking retarded. 583 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:31.720 I don't know what to say on that, honestly, but 584 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:33.960 all right, let's talk about it here. 585 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.640 This is a quick little article from Skyscape the Cambridge 586 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:41.279 spy scandal that haunts Britain. So the Cambridge five tensions 587 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:45.079 rise between US and Britain. US confidence and British intelligence 588 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.440 nosedived during the Cold War after a ring of Cambridge 589 00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.480 University educated spies working for the British government smuggled intelligence 590 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.519 to the KGB. The KGB, for anybody who does not know, 591 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.440 is the Soviet Union's version of the CIA. The got 592 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.720 disband It's now called the. 593 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.920 OSP or something. I forget The acronyms. It doesn't matter. 594 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.160 Russia's busy in Ukraine right now. 595 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.640 But whatever, we're talking about this timeframe, the KGB, which 596 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.359 is where Vladimir Putin got his start. People should know 597 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.839 that he was a top dog and a fixer for 598 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.799 the KGB agents. Anyway, the Furer or the Furr, I 599 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.559 should say, erupted. I said the furor God, not Hitler, 600 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.839 Not Hitler, the fur erupted. When Guy Burgess and Donald MacLean, 601 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.160 two of these so called Cambridge Five, disappeared in nineteen 602 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.079 fifty one. They had defected and later resurfaced in Moscow. 603 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.599 Both were hopeless drunks, unstable and promiscuous characters who've been 604 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.079 appointed to top jobs in London at the British Embassy 605 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:51.920 in Washington, d C. So yeah, this also comes into 606 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.920 play here. Their handler, which was also a member of 607 00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.640 the of the Cambridge Five, basically chose these two dudes. Specifically, 608 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.680 one of them was a classmate of his at Cambridge 609 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.519 and a friend of his. The other one they kind 610 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.599 of found along the way, and he used them both 611 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.840 to work at the US Embassy. 612 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:11.360 In Washington, d C. 613 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.440 One of them was like the agent in DC, the 614 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.159 other one was the agent kind of relaying back above 615 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.960 board without the spycraft, relaying the information from the British 616 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.000 embassy to the British Parliament and. 617 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.840 All these things in England. Both of them were spies. 618 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.760 Both of them were spies, and essentially one of them 619 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:39.480 got compromised. And so your boy top dog told Burgess, hey, listen, 620 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.239 Donald has been made. You need to go to Britain 621 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.199 right now. And you tell him to get out and 622 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.079 go to Russia right now. But and he was very 623 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:55.039 very specific on this, do not go with him. One 624 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.119 spy that got caught and defected. We could brush that 625 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.519 over both of you. There's no way that I can 626 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.639 make this look good on paper, because keep in mind, 627 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.199 he was the top dog for finding the spies. Believe 628 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.159 it or not, the guy who was charged with finding 629 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.519 the spies was a spy. 630 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:14.199 What. 631 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.239 That's some crazy shit, To be honest with you. 632 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.159 It gets so ridiculous the more you look into it. 633 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:20.079 But we're gonna go more. 634 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:21.760 It is James Bond shitt hardcore. 635 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.119 It legitimately is. Everybody thinks that, oh the James Bond, 636 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:26.760 Oh that's just a movie. It's this. 637 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.079 Listen, some of the villains in the Bond movies are 638 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.519 a bit extra because it is books, right, Okay, that 639 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.239 doesn't mean that this level of spycraft isn't real or 640 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:42.159 born right or or oh what's that other guy, Jack Reacher, 641 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.599 like these things that we see of, like this level 642 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.440 of internal affairs, these levels of top secret information sharing 643 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.480 in all of this. No, no, this is real life 644 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.760 that really happens. And that is why I thought it 645 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.079 was a fun one for us to talk about on 646 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.199 this episode of The Cult Conspiracy. But anyway, so when 647 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.639 he told Guy to go to Donald face to face 648 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.320 because we can't trust the lines and get him the 649 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.280 fuck out of here, do not go with him, Guy 650 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.360 panicked and they both defected to Russia at the exact 651 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.480 same time, putting crosshairs on your boy. But we're gonna 652 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:17.159 talk about it more. 653 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:17.559 Let's go. 654 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.159 The British Embassy reported back that the internal incident had 655 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.599 severely shaken the State Department's confidence in the integrity of 656 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.960 the officials of the Foreign Office. The Americans pointed to 657 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.840 the drunkenness right, recurrent nervous breakdown, sexual deviations, and other 658 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:39.719 human frailities were considered security hazards and dismissible offenses. Furthermore, 659 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.119 the US advised Britain to clean house, regardless. 660 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.159 Of whom may be hurt. 661 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.239 According to a declassified paper release by Britain's National Archives. 662 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.760 Now the guy in question, top dog, the dude who 663 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.320 made the call and told him to get out. 664 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:53.840 But don't go with him. 665 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:58.239 All this, this is the guy, Kim Philby. This is 666 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.559 the critical centerpiece of the Cambridge five. The unmasking of 667 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:04.920 the first two of the Cambridge five came a little 668 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.320 more than a year after the nineteen forty nine arrests 669 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.079 of nuclear spy Klaus Fuchs. 670 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.800 Pretty sure he's pronouncing it doesn't matter. It could be fucks. 671 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.480 So the relationship between British and US intelligence was further 672 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.360 compromised when Britain was dealt a third blow. Kim Philby, 673 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:26.920 Britain's chief liaison with the American intelligence agencies in the 674 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.239 in Washington, d C, was a member of the spy ring. 675 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.599 So it's not like he was an embassy guy. He 676 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.079 was I six's contact with the CIA. 677 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:39.760 Wow, the guy who was. 678 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.079 Listening, these were all that distrust and everyone is working 679 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:43.519 for it. 680 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.920 Vibe started absolutely absolutely. 681 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.000 He gave somewhere around nine hundred secrets to the Soviet 682 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.679 Union on behalf of either England or America. It was 683 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.760 it's a mess not to mention all of what his 684 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.000 boys gave him. 685 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.519 And yeah, we'll talk about it more here. 686 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:07.119 So the Philby's betrayal was not just an embarrassment for Britain, 687 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.199 it was a threat to the US national security. Philby 688 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.360 had worked closely with James Jesus Engleton, CIA chief of 689 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.599 counter Intelligence, and the britt Liaise with the FBI at 690 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.679 a time when the Director j Edgar Hoover was convinced 691 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.280 that the Soviet spies were everywhere. 692 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.199 Come to find out, Jay Edgar was correct. 693 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.679 Well, listen, I think he was also a deplorable human being, 694 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.519 like a raging piece of shit, But that doesn't mean 695 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:37.119 that he was incorrect when it came to this. It's 696 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.760 crazy that he had dirt on every single president up 697 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.880 until Nixon. And you know he did that as a 698 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.039 way to protect himself and keep his job. So he 699 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.519 knew the level of spycraft that he was willing to 700 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.320 do to his own country. You're telling me that the 701 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.079 Soviets don't have something similar going on. But people thought 702 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.079 he was crazy, People thought that he was out of 703 00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.920 the box on that. Come to find out he was 704 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.800 one percent correct. Philby had been briefed on Washington's Venona Project, 705 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.079 a program to decrypt top secret messages transmitted by Soviet 706 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.079 Union intelligence agents, including the KGB. We'll talk about that 707 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.880 more in a bit too, because the guy who actually 708 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:24.079 decoded the messages came to his contact with the international 709 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.679 intelligence community to tell him, Hey, bro, I guess I 710 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.000 figured out the code. I cracked the codes coming in 711 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.360 from Russia, and I know there's two spies. They think 712 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.559 there might be a third, But there's two spies in 713 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.239 DC right now I have I'm really close to figuring 714 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.360 out the uh the name of one of them, and 715 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.199 I'm about to start working on the second. Come to 716 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.440 find out the second was Philby himself, and the guy 717 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.599 he was telling this to was Philby. 718 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.440 Was he able to get out or did he get caught? 719 00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.360 Well, I want to jump too far ahead of the 720 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:00.079 story here. 721 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.760 Right, Let's talk about Philby is suspected of tipping off 722 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.599 MacLean and Burgess, telling them their covers were blown. But remarkably, 723 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:12.039 Philby continued to operate for more than a decade before 724 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:13.920 Philby two defected. 725 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.679 To Moscow in nineteen sixty three. Yeah, so let's talk 726 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.280 about Philby's memoirs Panic Stations. 727 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.800 So this is a book and we're going to read 728 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.440 excerpt from it here in a bit. It's not altogether 729 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.800 surprising that the Panics set in as Downing Street, which 730 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.360 is their version of like Landing Downing Streets, where their 731 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.039 agencies are based out of learned about the next problem. 732 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.199 In nineteen sixty eight, Philby was. 733 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.599 Shopping his memoirs around through Knowlton and American literary agent, 734 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:48.280 and it seemed like his book My Silent War would 735 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.079 be published or serialized in the US, UK and France. 736 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.639 Philby's friend I six officer and author Graham Green, would 737 00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:01.360 write the introduction. Among many secrets revealed Philby's manuscript said 738 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.000 that five bugged the British Communist Party's office in London. 739 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.159 According to the government papers filed in the National Archives 740 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.320 in twenty twenty, Britain's secret state swung into action. The 741 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.800 UK government conjured up a non existent French double agent 742 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.800 as a red herring to dissuade journalists from looking into 743 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:22.320 closely or too closely into Phillipby's manuscript. 744 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.719 According to the National Archives, so just so we're clear. 745 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.719 When they realized that they were cooked, and they realized 746 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.960 that there was nothing they could do to protect their image, 747 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.039 they made up a whole story about some sort of 748 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.840 a French double agent that was not real, just to 749 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:40.840 run a story. They had pictures of the guy, they 750 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.519 had a whole backstory for this guy. 751 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.519 He never existed ever. But they did this as a 752 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.719 way to say, oh, Philby's lying just to sell books. 753 00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:50.679 That's not what happened. 754 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.960 Even though one of these stories was a complete fabrication 755 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:59.280 and the other story had name, dates, records, locations and 756 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:03.760 everything could be verified. So not a good look. So 757 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.679 this is from the National Archives. In nineteen sixty eight, 758 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.719 the British government urged the Sunday Times to write about 759 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.760 a Soviet agent in France, which the journalists did, suggesting 760 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.679 the spy was one of President Charles de Gaulle's staff. 761 00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.559 The Foreign Officer Sir Dennis Greenhill suggested reporters look into 762 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.760 Leon Urist's novel Topaz, which he claimed was based on 763 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.360 real Soviet networks operating in France, and Roy Jenkins, then 764 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.840 Home Secretary, warned the Prime Minister that Philby's manuscript might 765 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.519 expose another mole, Sir Anthony Blunt, the Queen's art advisor. 766 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.000 So this all was. 767 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.760 The Queen knew about it, but they didn't make it 768 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.079 public until they couldn't hide it anymore and they had 769 00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.840 to acknowledge. Yeah, we knew he was a COMI and 770 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.679 this and this, and it's like wait, so wait, how 771 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.079 long was he employed after you found out? It was 772 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:57.119 a long time ago. 773 00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:57.880 I don't know. 774 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:03.000 It's it's embarrassing start to finish. So Cambridge five, the 775 00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:07.079 fourth Spy emerges. The fourth man of Cambridge five was 776 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:12.320 now in play. In nineteen sixty four, Cambridge alumnus Anthony Blunt, 777 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.719 which actually hailed a noble title from family lineage believe 778 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.400 it or not, admitted he'd spied for the Stalinist Russia. 779 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.639 The confession shocked the Royal family and Britain's secret services, 780 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.000 but was hushed up, with Blunt being. 781 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.400 Offered immunity if he confessed. 782 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.280 The deal cut by Britain's Home Office, and I five 783 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.440 was so secretive even the Prime Minister at the time, 784 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:38.000 Alec Douglas Home, didn't know about it. National Archives documents 785 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.400 showed Douglas Home found out about Blunt's betrayal in November 786 00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.360 of nineteen seventy nine, when Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. 787 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.400 Exposed Blunt in the House of Commons. 788 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:49.519 Yeah, you could still find and I'll have it pulled 789 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.239 up here, but you could still find excerpts from her 790 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:53.760 address to Parliament. 791 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.400 When she talks about the exposure of this group. 792 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.360 Blunt had been recruited by Stalin sig Curity Agency the 793 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.679 People's Commissariat Commissariat I don't know, for internal affairs in 794 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.760 the nineteen thirties, and he later joined the British Army 795 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.639 and I five before embarking on a career as an 796 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.679 art historian and Queen Elizabeth's personal curator. 797 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.800 Wow, that's crazy that he was this close to the 798 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.239 royal family and they didn't do anything about. 799 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:25.920 It, and you know, just throwing it out here. 800 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.679 So the guy that's installing all of the paintings in 801 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.119 Buckingham Palace, you mean he was a spy that could 802 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.239 have been installing microphones and all this shit the entire 803 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:38.639 way through, And it's like, yeah, why wouldn't you choose Yeah, 804 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.360 that's the guy that's clearly the guy you would choose, 805 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.519 because no one's gonna question the art curator. No one's 806 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.360 gonna look deeper into the frame of this painting that 807 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.639 this guy brought him from Vienna, Right, nobody's gonna ask 808 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.960 these questions. This is clearly the objective guy to put 809 00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:58.840 into that position. 810 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:00.519 M hmm. 811 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.920 So he also he was also a talent spotter for 812 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:08.639 potential recruits at Cambridge University, among them John Cancross and 813 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.719 Michael Strait, the reluctant American spy and former editor of 814 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.320 the New Republic magazine. Straight was also an advisor on 815 00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:20.800 arts endowments with the Kennedy administration and an unpaid economics 816 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:26.440 advisor for the US State Department. Straight the American, had 817 00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.960 a change of heart, however, and made his break with 818 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.599 the Soviets in nineteen forty one and revealed all. 819 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:33.280 To the FBI. 820 00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:38.599 In his autobiography After Long Silence, Straight described dining with 821 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:43.440 only members of the Cambridge Ring in London. Quote, I learned, 822 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.079 to my dismay that Anthony Blunt had been engaged in 823 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.960 intelligence work throughout the war, he wrote. So Straight was 824 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.800 recruited and then came clean about everything in nineteen forty one, 825 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.360 before America even entered World War Two. This guy came 826 00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:01.159 forwards like, hey, y'all, I'm sorry, I fucked up. However, 827 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.800 John Cairncross is the fifth man to this organization of 828 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.360 the Cambridge Five. John Cairncross is often mooted as the 829 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.280 fifth man. He was a Scottish and from a middle 830 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.880 class background, but he studied modern language at the sore 831 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.760 Bone in Paris and at Trinity College in Cambridge. Jeff 832 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:26.519 Andrew's autobiography Agent Molier The Life of John Cairncross, suggests 833 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.159 the spy was motivated by his disdain for the British 834 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:33.840 ruling class and his intellectual and cultural affinity with anti fascists. 835 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:39.239 His treason was astonishing while at Bletchley Park, which I 836 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.199 gotta tell you it's a weird name, but okay, Karen 837 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:47.519 Cross stuffed his briefcase and trousers with unredacted Enigma data 838 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.320 to hand over to the Russians assisting in the Red 839 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.039 Army in the Battle of Kersk against the Nazi forces 840 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:57.840 in nineteen forty three. The Enigma, Just so everybody is clear, 841 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.119 that is the code that the Nazis were using. And 842 00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.639 it took us forever to break this encryption. It was 843 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.199 if I'm not mistaken, it's been a while since I 844 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.519 looked into this. It basically was like a cipher and 845 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.960 you had to use certain letters, had a certain designation 846 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:14.880 and meant a certain thing. But there was a weird 847 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.079 mathematical order to it as well. If anybody's curious, what 848 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.800 like IBM the computer company, what they were doing during 849 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.119 World War Two, they were creating Nazi Germany's Enigma machines 850 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:28.280 to encrypt their messages. 851 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.960 Just raw clear. Yeah, it's weird. 852 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.559 You look at the companies that are around today that 853 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:40.840 were clearly Nazi groups like Hugo Boss and Coco, Chanel, Volkswagen. 854 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:43.719 There's a ton Basically, it's like one of the rules 855 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.960 of history. Don't ask what any German company was doing 856 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.400 from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen forty five, and it's like, 857 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:56.559 you know, eh. Anyway, Anyway, his work as the private 858 00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:00.480 secretary of Sir Morris Hanky, a member of the committee 859 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.840 that supervised the British Atomic Program, would have allowed him 860 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.400 access to the reports he is suspected of passing to 861 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.559 the Soviets. So not only was he passing off Enigma 862 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.719 secrets to the Soviets, which helped them in the Battle 863 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.360 of the Curse against the Nazis, which for the record, 864 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.079 the encryption key was hal Hitler. Once you plugged that 865 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.679 statement into the Enigma, it all laid. 866 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.360 Out and you could read everything that the Nazis were 867 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.320 saying to each other. Yeah, it's like using password as 868 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:36.760 your fucking password. Like, grow up, dude. But anyway, you've 869 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:37.400 never done that. 870 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:40.039 No, No, when you were a kid, sure, but like 871 00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:42.440 as an adult, like you know, there's so many things 872 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.360 you can make secure and like that they make it 873 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.760 for you even But anyway, beside that point, So, not 874 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:53.599 only did he do that, he also stole atomic secrets. 875 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.800 Because every country had an atomic program at this time, 876 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.800 right the Nazis were working on it, the British working 877 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.559 on it, the Japanese were working on it. The Americans 878 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.599 were the first people to successfully make it. And that's 879 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.800 why whenever this went down we dropped the atomic bomb 880 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.519 on Japan, they didn't realize that we actually were that 881 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.360 far along because their nuclear scientists knew how difficult this 882 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:19.320 would have been to make happen. They thought there was 883 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.440 no way America actually has an atomic bomb, and then 884 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.679 when we dropped on Hiroshima. 885 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.280 They sent their experts out there to see, okay, was this. 886 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.599 Actually an atomic bomb or was this like a really 887 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.360 big dynamite explosion that they're trying to say it was 888 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.639 an automic bomb. Dudes go out take some samples and 889 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.719 they're like, no, no, they absolutely just launched an atomic bomb. 890 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.159 And then they're like, well, there's no way they have 891 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.400 more than one, Like we've been working on this for 892 00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:43.760 years and we're not even close. 893 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.000 There's no way they've. 894 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.960 Got more than one we dropped on on Nagasaki. And 895 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.280 then they're like, okay, so how many do they have. 896 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.119 There was a downed pilot. I forget the guy's name. 897 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.360 I wish came. I have his face in my head. 898 00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.360 He looks like a shit stir like he looks like 899 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.639 a guy that you cannot trust, like he's up to 900 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.000 no good. They were interrogating him, and ah god, I 901 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.360 wish I could remember the exact quotes. It's hilarious because 902 00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.960 like they're like, tell us about these bombs, and he's like, 903 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.679 he's just a low level like Mustang pilot. He has 904 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.199 no fucking clue about what they're doing with this Manhattan project. 905 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.239 But he had known that America was working on it, 906 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.039 and he had a buddy of his who used to 907 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.800 be a teacher who was serving with him that tried 908 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.679 explaining what was going on when a nuke would go 909 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.960 off hypothetically of course, and so he just kind of 910 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.119 started using that. They were like, well, tell us about 911 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:35.880 this bomb. He's like, I don't know anything about a bomb. 912 00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:37.519 They beat the shit out of him, and they pulled 913 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.199 out a samurai so where they're about to be at him, 914 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:39.639 and he's. 915 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.599 Like, oh, that bomb, yeo, let me tell you all 916 00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:42.719 about it, and like let's go. 917 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.960 So he's like, so listen, as you know, when the 918 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.239 bomb is dropped, there's a lot of pluses and minuses 919 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.480 that get released, obviously, And these people were like, oh 920 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.559 my god, this guy knows what he's talking about. He 921 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:56.719 meant positive and negative, like components of it, like an 922 00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:00.840 electron and a neutron, and he but he didn't know 923 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.239 what the fuck he was talking about because he's not 924 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.920 that level of educated. So he was able to fucking 925 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.440 trapes and Drew and get these boys convinced that he 926 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.480 knew what these things were. 927 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.199 And they're like, how many does America have. He's like thousands, oh, thousands, 928 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:14.760 and they're. 929 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:16.280 Like, wait, what are some thousands? 930 00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.679 That is the only reason why the Emperor surrendered. Just 931 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.840 so we're clear, there's people, there's people that will say 932 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.719 that that's because actually Japan surrendered because the Soviets had 933 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:32.079 just invaded Manchuria, which is China, which Japan had occupied 934 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:33.840 at that time, and. 935 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.599 Clearly that's why they surrendered. Russia was not a threat 936 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:40.519 to Japan. They had no navy. The plan for Russia 937 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.840 to have a mainland invasion into Japan meant they had 938 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:47.519 to use US ships. Them invading Mancheria played no part 939 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.800 in Japan surrendering in World War Two, And as a 940 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.719 matter of fact, the Japanese sources will say the exact 941 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.280 same thing is it didn't just me going off on 942 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.920 a tangent, but beside the point. So this guy's saying, 943 00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.719 they had thousands of these atomic bombs, they're cranking them 944 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.320 out as fast as they can pop up up. Finally, 945 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.440 Japan brings in one of their nuclear scientists and like, 946 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.559 ask this guy the same question, and within thirty seconds 947 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.440 he's like, yeah, you have no fucking clue what you're 948 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:10.840 talking about. 949 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:11.079 Dude. 950 00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:12.320 He's like, no, not at all. 951 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:13.800 He's like, the why we've been lying, He's like, because 952 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.920 they were about to fucking behead me, dude. He's like, okay, yeah, 953 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.320 that makes sense, that checks out. But it did in 954 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.599 fact lead to Japan's surrendering. But anyway, so every country 955 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.960 that was really a key player had an atomic program, 956 00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.719 and they were it was a race to see who 957 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:31.679 could develop the atomic bomb first. America just happened to 958 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.199 be the one across the finish line before any others. Anyway, 959 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.199 So the Cambridge five, the end of an era, Soviet 960 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:43.559 defector Oleg Gordevski fingered care and cross. 961 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.679 I really hate that expression. When you finger somebody for 962 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:51.280 a crime. Bro, you couldn't just say pointing him out. 963 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.400 I don't know if I've ever heard that expression. I 964 00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.159 don't feel like I have. Oh maybe I'm just really 965 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:02.960 tired and like whatever. And but it's that's a weird one. 966 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.199 That's an old there's a lot of there's a lot 967 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:06.199 of weird expressions. 968 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:10.760 So have you ever watched the show Dragnet No, an 969 00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:12.840 old detective show from way back in the day. But 970 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.159 it's like she wrote, I don't think they would use 971 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.320 that murder, she wrote, it's like older than that, Like 972 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:19.920 we're talking nineteen fifties. 973 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.079 They'd be like, oh yeah, so we had a murder. 974 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:22.480 Don't worry. 975 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.360 I already fingered the part for the crime. And it's 976 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.840 like it's a oh okay, yeah, no I have now that. 977 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:28.920 It's just been a long time since I've heard it. 978 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.519 It's not something common. And then an hour, day and age, 979 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:36.840 it's like you could have even if you just use that. No, no, Raven, 980 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.760 don't because then people are going to look at you 981 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:40.440 like you did what to who? Like? 982 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.440 But you're welcome and just walk away straight face, I. 983 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:48.039 Fingered the suspect, we got him, you did what what? Yep? 984 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:49.239 You are welcome. 985 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.840 That actually might get you a harassment charge these days, 986 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:59.079 honestly god. But anyway, so he pointed out care Cross 987 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.639 as a spy in his nineteen ninety book KGB The 988 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.320 Inside Story, but Cancross was never charged and died of 989 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.079 a stroke in England in nineteen ninety five. He is 990 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.480 actually the only member of the Cambridge Five to make 991 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.159 his way back to England and die of old age. 992 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.079 Somehow he was allowed to come back home after all 993 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:17.679 these things. 994 00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:21.000 But anyway, how we'll talk about it. 995 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.960 More So, Burgess remained in Russia died of fifty two 996 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.119 of acute liver failure. 997 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:28.239 Again, he was a raging alcoholic. 998 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.000 MacLean reportedly died of cancer at sixty nine and was 999 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.880 cremated in Moscow, hailed as a quote faithful son and 1000 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.760 citizen of the state of the Soviet State. 1001 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:41.280 I'm just we're all clear here. 1002 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:45.039 Anthony Blunt was stripped of his knighthood and lived as 1003 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.360 a recluse in London until his death from a heart 1004 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.480 attack at the age of seventy five. And as for 1005 00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.719 Kim Philby, the most notorious of the Cambridge Five, he 1006 00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:55.920 passed away in nineteen eighty eight at the age of 1007 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.639 seventy six, having spent twenty five years of his life 1008 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.639 in Moscow. His wife I'm not going to pronounce that name, 1009 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.639 told this newspaper that Philby was delusioned with Communism by 1010 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.159 the end of his life or disillusions, I should say, 1011 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.239 tortured by his failings, and drank himself to death. It's 1012 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.599 also should be noted each of these individuals that made 1013 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.239 their way to Moscow was forced under house arrest for 1014 00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:24.480 a decade apiece. So even after these guys in Moscow, yes, yes, 1015 00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.199 because they couldn't be trusted. What so you were willing 1016 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.559 to turn your back on your home country, where your 1017 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.599 family lives, your mama lives here, and you're willing to 1018 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.039 sell them out for us. How the fuck can I 1019 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:42.599 trust you now that you're in my house? 1020 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:44.679 No? 1021 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:46.639 Yeah, yeah. 1022 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:48.639 Ten years of their lives they had to stay in 1023 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.480 house arrest because they were willing to be spies. 1024 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.119 Yep, what yep, it's fucked that. 1025 00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:57.880 It's just Jamaica or something. 1026 00:55:58.159 --> 00:55:59.679 Oh fuck that, Fuck all of them. 1027 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.079 I hoped that they would get a slow, torturous death, 1028 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.440 but instead they all died of normal. 1029 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:08.760 Things I guess, but mealy, alcohol, that's Russia. There's nothing 1030 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.519 to do except eat borsched and fucking drink vodka, which 1031 00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.880 Borsch is fucking gross. But anyway, let's get more into 1032 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:15.159 it here. 1033 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.480 So there's actually a TV series that came out about 1034 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.559 it called Cambridge Spies. It was on in two thousand 1035 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.920 and three is when it was released. I haven't seen 1036 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.400 it yet, but it's on Prime if anybody is curious. 1037 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:27.920 I am actually wanting to check this out. It seems 1038 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.639 like it's a pretty good flick. But anyway, all right, 1039 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:35.840 moving forward here, so let's go deeper into the Cambridge five. Right, 1040 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.679 Let's talk about all these things in depth. The Cambridge 1041 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.000 Five was a spy ring in the United Kingdom that 1042 00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.400 passed information to the Soviet Urine Union during the Second War, 1043 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:48.480 World War, and the Cold War, and was active from 1044 00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:52.079 the nineteen thirties until at least the early nineteen fifties. 1045 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.639 None of the known members were ever prosecuted for spying. 1046 00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:58.920 The number and membership of the ring emerged slowly from 1047 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.599 the nineteen fifties onward. So again we just read about this. 1048 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:05.119 None of them ever saw jail time. The one that 1049 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.760 was found in the Queen's court, so to speak, was 1050 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:13.679 stripped of his title and basically died a recluse, but 1051 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.880 he never saw the inside of a prison cell. All 1052 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:20.000 the other members that were absolutely a part of this 1053 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.039 made their way to Moscow and they were under house 1054 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:27.440 arrest there, but they were never prosecuted for their crimes, 1055 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.960 including the two dudes that were in America spying on 1056 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:36.239 us on behalf of Britain, on behalf of Russia. 1057 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.559 How is that possible? Like he would think that somebody 1058 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:39.719 would hold them accountable. 1059 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:45.199 They got out before the snare could close on them fully, essentially, 1060 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.039 so let's read more here. 1061 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:48.960 None of us talked about the general public. 1062 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.719 First became aware of the conspiracy in nineteen fifty one 1063 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.599 after the sudden flight of Don McLean in he was 1064 00:57:56.440 --> 00:58:02.000 code named Homer and Guy Burgess code named Hicks, to 1065 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:06.719 the Soviet Union. Suspicion immediately fell on Kim Philby, who 1066 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:10.719 co named Sonny or Stanley, who eventually fled to the 1067 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:14.199 Soviet Union in sixty three. Following Philby's flight, British intelligence 1068 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.320 obtained confessions from Anthony Blunt. And for the record, I 1069 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:21.159 looked this up too, actually because I was curious James Blunt, 1070 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:21.639 the singer. 1071 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.840 I was curious if there was a family tie here. 1072 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.599 No, no, because actually James James Blunt's birth name is 1073 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.000 Blount b l be fair. 1074 00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:34.760 That dude is ridiculous if you actually watch him, some 1075 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:36.559 of his stuff and the shit he talks. 1076 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:38.800 Because like, I was high as fuck and I just 1077 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.800 made this like whatever, Oh. 1078 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.840 Your boy is a veteran, he guns, Yeah he is. 1079 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:49.400 He is hilarious and actually like what he says and does. Yeah, 1080 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.599 I actually I watched all about him shreaz and I'm like, oh, okay. 1081 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.039 Your boy joins the I don't know if it was 1082 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.679 the Royal Marines or the RAF or what, but he 1083 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.199 joins the British military, does a couple of tours in Afghanistan, 1084 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:05.159 stacks a couple of bodies for the queen you know, 1085 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:09.119 comes home, cuts a couple of you know, number one 1086 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.440 musical number chart things and all this stuff, and then 1087 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.039 he just kind of dips off and now he just 1088 00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.519 stirs the pot on the social media's. 1089 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.239 I gotta say, I'm a massive fan of him. I 1090 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.920 like him a lot. He's funny, he's great. 1091 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.679 But no, so there is no connection between James Blunt 1092 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:30.559 birth name Blount Blount and Anthony Blunt. I was curious, 1093 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.559 but anyway, his code name was Johnson and then John 1094 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.840 Cairncross code name LITZI or Litzt, who have come to 1095 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.039 be seen as the last two of the group of five. 1096 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.760 So it's very possible that there was more. Just so 1097 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:47.800 we're all clear. The name is a bit off putting 1098 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.800 that there was the Cambridge five. The five didn't know 1099 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.400 each other three o ka five. Three of the five 1100 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.800 knew each other, but the fact that all five of 1101 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:02.480 them were Cambridge graduates, the newspapers gave them the title 1102 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:03.440 of the Cambridge Five. 1103 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.239 I thought they all honestly knew each other and were 1104 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:08.559 working in tandem with each other. 1105 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:10.760 That's what I was figuring going on. 1106 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.480 You would think with the title like that, you would 1107 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:13.880 think it so. 1108 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:18.760 But apparently your boy Karen Cross and Blunt they knew 1109 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.880 each other, and then Burgess, MacLean and Philby all knew 1110 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.920 each other. But these two were operating completely separately. Like 1111 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:28.039 I said, so, Kim Philby, Don and MacLean and Guy 1112 01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:31.039 Burgess they were all working with I five and six 1113 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:35.280 at that level of the British Intel Service. Blunt was 1114 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.679 working in the Royal Household as their art curator, and 1115 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:42.079 then Careen Cross he was working with their telecommunications network 1116 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.559 to steal information about that. But he wasn't necessarily in 1117 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.360 cahoots with them, or at least there's not much evidence 1118 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:53.920 to say such so. Anyway, And also to prove this point, 1119 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:59.920 this is Kim Philby on a stamp in Soviet Union, 1120 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.239 so he got out regarded as a Russian hero even 1121 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:06.719 though he was on house arrest for ten years. 1122 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.360 That is why I'm like, wait, what, like, how are 1123 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:10.199 you a Russian hero? 1124 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:14.960 And then house arrest in Soviet Russia we arrest hero too. 1125 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:17.519 I know, it's crazy, it's crazy. 1126 01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:19.760 Everybody gets the same treatment. 1127 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.159 Everybody equals everybody's doing time in this bitch. It's like, wait, 1128 01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:25.960 what yeah, yeah, it. 1129 01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.360 Rased my whole life for this fuck Yeah. 1130 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:29.880 Dude, all right, so let's get more into it. 1131 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.559 So the group was recruited by the NKVD during their 1132 01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:37.000 education at the University of Cambridge. The NKVD, just so 1133 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:41.239 we're all clear, here is the People's Commisserate for Internal Affairs. 1134 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:47.719 It's the Soviet Union version of this, right, so, but 1135 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.400 the exact timing is debated. Blunt claimed that they were 1136 01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:54.119 not recruited as agents until after they had graduated. A 1137 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.239 fellow of Trinity College, Blunt was several years older than 1138 01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:59.840 Burgess McLean and Philby, and he acted as a talent 1139 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:04.320 and recruiter. The five were convinced that Marxism and Leninism 1140 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:08.400 of the Soviet Communism was the best available political system 1141 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:12.360 and the best defense against fascism. Never mind the fact 1142 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:14.519 that the fascists and the Soviets worked together at the 1143 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.000 beginning of the war. We're not talking about that apparently, 1144 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:21.320 but yes, clearly, all pursued successful careers in branches of 1145 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:22.079 British government. 1146 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.400 They passed large. 1147 01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:26.039 Amounts of intelligence to the Soviets, so much so that 1148 01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.679 the KGB became suspicious that at least some of it 1149 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:33.000 was false. They were so successful that the KGB was like, 1150 01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.280 there's no way they got this much intel. 1151 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:36.760 There's no fucking way. 1152 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:41.239 Well, come to find out it was perhaps as important 1153 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:45.000 as the specific state secrets was the demoralizing effect to 1154 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:48.639 the British establishment of their slow unmasking and the mistrust 1155 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.480 in British security this caused in the United States. So 1156 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.920 again we're going to talk about the h the membership 1157 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.360 here a little bit here. I do want to bring 1158 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.920 this up here. So Yuri Moden, who later reported to 1159 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:06.440 the Soviet intelligence mistrust of the Cambridge of double agents 1160 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.440 during the Second World War and had difficulty believing that 1161 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.679 the men who would have access to top secret documents. 1162 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:17.239 They were particularly suspicious of Harold Kim Philby, who was 1163 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.239 the ringleader of all this, by the way, wondering how 1164 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.800 he could or how he could have become a British 1165 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:27.599 intelligence officer given his communist past. So he was a 1166 01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:33.400 card carrying communist in college and somehow, through a weird 1167 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:38.559 chain of events, got hired to work for I six. 1168 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:45.440 Now some have questioned how this happened, believe it or not, seriously, 1169 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.679 it was because of his wife and then his other wife. 1170 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.880 It's so all right, let's break this down real quick. 1171 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.320 Happen bitches, be honeypotting the motherfuckers what you meant to say? 1172 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.760 My god, this boy had nothing he could do against 1173 01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.960 that Austeria Jesus Christ Austrian badge, and well none he 1174 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.280 could do against that shit she was throwing it on. 1175 01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.559 Old boy. Oh boy, I'm sure Cambridge educated all this. 1176 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:17.119 So in college, Kim Philby starts working for the communist 1177 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.320 groups from around the world and he goes to Austria 1178 01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.480 to support I forget if it was a political candidate 1179 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:25.719 or just the movement in general, but he was like 1180 01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.679 a true blue comedy at this point. And he meets 1181 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:29.239 this girl. 1182 01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.360 He meets this woman who basically gets in his head 1183 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.800 and decides, you know what, we're gonna make some things 1184 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:38.400 happen for you. 1185 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:41.840 Her name was Lizzie Friedman, and if you're curious. 1186 01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:46.880 Yes, she was Jewish, and so she basically got in 1187 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.440 his head and within one year of them getting together, 1188 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.320 it was decided that whatever they were doing with the 1189 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:58.840 Communist Party in Austria was drawing a lot of attention 1190 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:03.039 from the police and as so much so that they 1191 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:06.840 were about to arrest her. So they had to evacuate. 1192 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:10.559 And she was an Austrian citizen. She wasn't a British citizen. 1193 01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:12.519 There's no way that she could just get a passport, 1194 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.679 especially being a card carrying communist. 1195 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.320 So what's the best course of action. 1196 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:19.840 Well, the guy she's been fucking for about a year, 1197 01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:23.119 Kim Philby, is a British citizen, and if they get 1198 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:26.000 married right now, then we could just leave and go 1199 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:27.119 to Britain and never come back. 1200 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:28.320 So they did. 1201 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.960 They did a courthouse marriage. We're gone within a week, 1202 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.920 and literally in the courthouse she said, I have big 1203 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:40.360 plans for your career. So in a bit of a 1204 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:41.880 fucking honeypot. 1205 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.320 Honestly, hmmm. 1206 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.079 Interesting that was Kim Philby's first wife, wouldn't you know it? 1207 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.679 They get divorced pretty much like a year and some 1208 01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.199 change after they get to England. Who could have ever 1209 01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.679 predicted that, right, I mean, because why would you trust 1210 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.199 a fucking comedy whatever, especially a honey pot comy bitch. 1211 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.639 But okay, whatever, fine, Uh. 1212 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:08.679 She later on ended up having an affair with uh, 1213 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.320 a dude that would become mayor of of Jerusalem if 1214 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:13.079 I'm not mistaken. 1215 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:18.559 And she yeah, she uh German Jewish. 1216 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:21.159 She was out here working though she was she was 1217 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:22.840 doing what she was supposed to be doing him for 1218 01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:24.159 the Soviet Union. 1219 01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:27.079 Slotting it out man, doing what she could, spreading them 1220 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:32.119 legs for uh, for old Linen and Stalin and all that. 1221 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:36.800 Which fine, you know whatever, you gotta use whatever availability 1222 01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:37.239 you can. 1223 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:40.760 I guess you gotta. You gotta use the assets that 1224 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.719 God gave you. I guess. Although there's pictures of her, 1225 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.280 I don't see the appeal. She was not a good 1226 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:48.960 looking broad. 1227 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:52.639 I know I'm a bit objective here, I get that, 1228 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:57.039 but like biased, Oh, I mean, I'm objectifying her, But 1229 01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:58.400 I understand bias. 1230 01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:00.440 You know, I personally like women that are hervey, but 1231 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.280 like of all the things this check there is way 1232 01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:07.320 better looking Austrian bitches, Like what are we doing here? 1233 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:10.719 But like, no, no, no, whatever she was doing in 1234 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.760 the bedroom, maybe it was that thing with the tongue. 1235 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.679 I don't know, but like a curently old boy was 1236 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.199 willing to sell it all this for this gash. 1237 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:19.119 Now. 1238 01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:24.960 Later on, after this divorce happened, he went super quiet 1239 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.320 about his Communist beliefs from his past. We're still talking 1240 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:32.599 about Philby here. And he married a woman named Eileen Firs, 1241 01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.519 who later became Aileen Philby. She was born in India, 1242 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:39.119 which this was British ruled India at the time. Her 1243 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.280 father had been killed in the early states of the 1244 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:45.079 First four World War, and they were well connected and 1245 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.920 several members had important jobs. One of the primary private 1246 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:56.159 secretaries to Winston Churchill. Another had been director of the 1247 01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:00.280 Women's Royal Navy Service, and then another one was the. 1248 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.039 World Bureau of Girls' Guides. 1249 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.400 So like that, she had a very well connected family 1250 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:09.880 when it came to the British government, and so when 1251 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:12.639 he got with her and married her, had a couple 1252 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:17.439 of kids and all these things. Basically, phil or Philby, 1253 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.119 I should say, was able to use that to leverage 1254 01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:24.960 his patriotism. And whenever he had his interview with the 1255 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:29.560 Six Agency, no one questioned him. No one questioned his 1256 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.920 Communists past, No one questioned where he was after he 1257 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.079 left college and went to Austria and what he was doing. 1258 01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:37.840 Nobody questioned him on his first marriage that was on 1259 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:40.840 the books and divorced in this time at day and 1260 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.399 age was very crazy, Like, no one got divorced, so 1261 01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.279 the fact that he had a divorce on the on 1262 01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:49.239 the books would have been a massive red flag. 1263 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:53.000 No one questioned it. No one questioned it at all 1264 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:53.760 as a matter of fact. 1265 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.439 Later on, though, Eileen found work as a store detective 1266 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.279 in the Marble Arc branch of the Marks and Spencer. 1267 01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:06.399 It was here that she met friends with Flora Solomon. 1268 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.960 This is a very important individual, the daughter of a 1269 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:14.960 Jewish Russian gold tycoon. Solomon later recalled that Eileen belonged 1270 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.800 to that class now out of fashion called county. She 1271 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:22.920 was typically er English, slim and attractive, fiercely patriotic, but 1272 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.920 awkward in her gestures, and unsure of herself and company. 1273 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:32.800 Flora Solomon is the reason why anything was finally realized 1274 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:37.159 about Kim Philby, believe it or not, because Kim Philby 1275 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:41.760 also tried recruiting Flora Solomon in to be a spy 1276 01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:45.760 under his network at one point in time. M hmm, yeah, 1277 01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.439 So Solomon was a good friend of Kim Philby and 1278 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:53.800 she actually introduced him to Eileen at her home. In 1279 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.680 nineteen thirty nine, It was a day that Neville Chamberlain 1280 01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:00.119 declared war on Nazi Germany. Philby later recalled, so it 1281 01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.800 was a date well remembered because it was disastrous for 1282 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:06.079 the world and to myself. It has been argued that 1283 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.960 Philby found that she had an open manner and easy 1284 01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.680 laugh and was a good companion. Talking about his wife, 1285 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.840 he treated her with sentimental affection, talking to her about 1286 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.159 his adventures, listening to her stories about her work. 1287 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:18.840 They were obviously in love. 1288 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:22.680 Solomon commented that Philby found an avid listener in Eileen, 1289 01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:25.520 and the next I heard they were sharing a flat 1290 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.159 or an apartment as we call in America. Anyway, moving on, 1291 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:35.079 Eileen gave birth to three children, Josephine, John, and Tom Kim. 1292 01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:40.199 Philby divorced litz Friedman September of nineteen forty six and 1293 01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:42.319 married Eileen First a week later. 1294 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:48.359 So again it was very clear that this was a move, 1295 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:50.520 like this was a move on the chessboard. 1296 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:53.239 So you're ditching the chick that was a kamie that 1297 01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:56.039 was about to get arrested in Austria, and you marry 1298 01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:59.479 this chick that is uber connected in the British upper 1299 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.079 class within a week. 1300 01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:06.760 Word yeah, word, I mean maybe he's just been waiting 1301 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:08.039 for that divorce for a long time. 1302 01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.800 Yeah, it was. It was clearly a part of it. 1303 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:13.199 Mm hm. 1304 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:17.680 Anyway, so over the next few years, her mental health deteriorated. 1305 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:22.159 O wait, I think I skipped something here. Her contribution 1306 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:26.640 to the marriage was to provide relaxed domestic atmosphere to 1307 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.159 bear Philby's children and to accept his dictum that they 1308 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:34.119 should not receive any sort of religious education. Also a 1309 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.199 pretty big red flag, you know, the commedies don't believe 1310 01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.600 in religion or whatever. So whenever your spouse is like, ah, 1311 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:41.399 I don't think we should have religion in this house 1312 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.239 at all, that is a really big red flag, y'all. 1313 01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.920 Over the next few years, her mental health deteriorated. Aileen 1314 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.680 Philby suffered from a psychiatric disorder later known as Munchausen 1315 01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.720 syndrome that manifested itself into episodes of self harm and 1316 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:59.520 bouts of pyromania in order to attract sympathy and attention. 1317 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.319 Eileen was described as awkward in her bouts of pyromania. 1318 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:06.039 I'm sorry, awkward in her gestures, and unsure of herself 1319 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:10.600 and company, he suggested. Ben McIntyre had suggested that perhaps 1320 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:15.359 Eileen's distress reflected the first stirrings of doubt. She may 1321 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.640 already have begun to wonder whether her husband was really 1322 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.479 the charming Auxuria's popular. 1323 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:26.399 Straight batting bureaucrat that he seemed so clearly not. 1324 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:31.000 She probably was like, crap, he's doing some shady shit 1325 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:32.840 and I'm stuck. I wonder what I should do. 1326 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:35.680 Yeah, probably, honestly. 1327 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.159 In nineteen forty nine, Kim Philby became SIS representative in Washington. 1328 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:46.000 That's the Secret Intel Service as British is, or Britain's 1329 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:50.159 top secret security officer, working in liaison with the CIA 1330 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:53.880 and the FBI. Eileen and the children also moved to America, 1331 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.680 and the Philbies took a spacious, ramshackle two story place 1332 01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:02.479 at forty one hund Nebraska Avenue. They gave a lot, 1333 01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.359 They gave a lot of parties, as Philip Knightley pointed 1334 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:06.119 out quote. 1335 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:07.560 As the months passed, the. 1336 01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:11.039 Drinking, not only Philby's but Eileen's two seemed to get heavier, 1337 01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:14.319 and the birth of the fifth child, Harry, who suffered 1338 01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:17.720 from convulsions, produced tensions in the family that Eileen seemed 1339 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.600 to have difficulty handling. In nineteen fifty, Stuart Menzies and 1340 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.319 Johnson Claire discussed the possibility of Philby becoming the next 1341 01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:31.159 director general of the Six. They were genuinely about to 1342 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:36.399 put this guy in charge of the service that still 1343 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:39.520 to this day, certain British people will say I six 1344 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.479 doesn't exist, even though it's well documented. They still act 1345 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:45.800 like it's so hush hush and so secret that people. 1346 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:47.920 Still not secretive of all everybody knows about it. 1347 01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.399 I know, it's like Delta Force. It's like, oh, well, 1348 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:54.640 they're so secret. No one knows that Delta Force is real. 1349 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.159 Yeah they are. Yeah, they fucking are, like, we know this. 1350 01:13:57.960 --> 01:13:59.159 It's so dumb, but yes. 1351 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.479 So they were about to put the guy at the 1352 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:06.279 head of the Soviet spy network in charge of him 1353 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:09.000 I six because he was so good at his job, 1354 01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:13.760 apparently so good. He asked Arthur Martin, I'm sorry. Dick 1355 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.479 White was asked to producer report on Philby, and he 1356 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.840 asked Arthur Martin and Jane Archer to carry out an 1357 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:24.479 investigation into his past. They became concerned about how quickly 1358 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.279 he changed from a communist sympathizer to a supporter of 1359 01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:33.520 pro fascist organizations like pretty much overnight. They also discovered 1360 01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:35.640 that the description of the mole provided by. 1361 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:40.239 Walter Kovitski and Igor Gwinscow sorry, was close to that 1362 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:44.159 of Philby's time in Spain as a journalist quote unquote. 1363 01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:47.760 It was now decided that Philby could in fact be 1364 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:52.239 a double agent. That was in nineteen fIF right, so 1365 01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:54.840 he was already a top dog, yeah, and they were 1366 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:56.840 looking at making him an even deeper and higher up 1367 01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:58.800 top dog. But now there was starting to be some 1368 01:14:58.920 --> 01:14:59.680 chinks in the armor. 1369 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.000 When Guy Burgess and Donald MacLean defected nineteen fifty one, 1370 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:06.520 Philby became the chief suspect as the man who tipped 1371 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:09.479 them off that they were being investigated. Under pressure from 1372 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:14.640 Clement Attlee and Herbert Morrison, Stuart Menzy agreed that or 1373 01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:20.520 Philsby should be interrogated by six. However, they cleared him 1374 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:26.760 of being part of aspiring. However, because he was able 1375 01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.439 to say the right words. He was absolutely able to 1376 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:32.159 just tell them all the things and all right, cool, cool, 1377 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:34.920 cool whatever. But here's where things took a downward turn 1378 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:39.279 for a boy. However, the CIA insisted that they should 1379 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.479 or yet he should be recalled to London. Like they 1380 01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:45.920 were like, fine, look, you're not gonna use him to 1381 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.359 be our go between between you and us. I'm sorry, 1382 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:52.079 fuck this guy. In September of nineteen fifty one, Philby 1383 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:55.840 officially resigned from I six to, but continued to work 1384 01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:58.640 for the organization on a part time basis. He was 1385 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.640 also paid four thousand pound to compensate him for losing 1386 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:05.760 his job. They gave him a severance package and thanked 1387 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.079 him for his years of service. Never suspected him of anything, 1388 01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.840 and then I kind of let him work on as 1389 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:15.920 a part time basis for a good while here. 1390 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.199 So there was a book written called A Spy among Friends. 1391 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.520 It points out that nineteen fifty two, Eileen Philby was 1392 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:28.439 convinced that her husband was a Soviet spy. Eileen knew 1393 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.399 that her husband had lied to her consistently and coldly 1394 01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.680 from the moment they first met and throughout their marriage. 1395 01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:37.319 The knowledge of this duplicity tipped her into a psychological 1396 01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:41.479 abyss from which she would never fully emerge. She confronted Kim, 1397 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:46.479 who denied everything, and the assuing Roe, far from dissipating 1398 01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:50.279 for her fears, merely confirmed her conviction that he was lying. 1399 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:56.319 So later on, in nineteen fifty three, Nicholas Elliott arranged 1400 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.920 for Kim Philly to work for I six and bea 1401 01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:03.600 root was as a journalist being employed by the Observer 1402 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:06.920 and the Economist. The Observer and the Economist would share 1403 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.399 Philby's services and pay him three thousand pounds a year 1404 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.760 plus travel and expenses. At the time, Elliott raims that 1405 01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:17.159 Philby would resume working for six, no longer as an officer, 1406 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:21.800 but as an agent posing as a journalist gathering information 1407 01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:25.359 for British intelligence in one of the world's most sensitive areas. 1408 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.039 He would be paid a retainer through Godfrey Paulson, chief 1409 01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.560 of the Beirut m I six station. So he goes 1410 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:36.199 from being low level member of five and I six 1411 01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.520 and all of this is above board, all this is 1412 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:42.119 on paper and the British know about this. He goes 1413 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:47.000 from being an obscure nobody who divorced a chick, married 1414 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.640 a chick and used those connections to get in pretty 1415 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:52.399 much no questions asked, into the upper rationalon of British 1416 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:57.720 secret intelligence agencies. Then he goes so far with that 1417 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:00.600 that he becomes the liaison between am I five and 1418 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.640 MY six and the FBI and the CIA. Like the 1419 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:08.039 guy he has spies in both working under him. He 1420 01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:11.479 gets caught, but somehow works the system enough to get 1421 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.800 a healthy severance package and continue working for the organization 1422 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:22.079 as a journalist in Lebanon, and continue doing that for years. 1423 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:23.920 Your boy just. 1424 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.640 Can't miss apparently, and somehow the fact that he was 1425 01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:31.880 feeding the Soviets information this entire time just went unknown. 1426 01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:34.560 Who knows, Probably one of the best spies ever. 1427 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:37.520 I guess that's why then the Russian see him as 1428 01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:38.159 a national hero. 1429 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:44.199 Honestly, ah, this is the key peak of narcissism and gaslighting. 1430 01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:45.640 Fuck. 1431 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:48.880 So Eileen did not go with her husband to be root. 1432 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:52.199 Her friend Floor Solomon became increasingly concerned about her mental 1433 01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:54.399 state and claimed that she had been abandoned by her husband. 1434 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.000 Solomon wrote to Philby complaining about the treatment of his wife, 1435 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:02.640 and Philby replied that Eileen's claims were hooey and that 1436 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.520 I made a clear arrangement with her that she should 1437 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.640 pay the household bills and forward me the receipts, whereupon 1438 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:14.279 I would refund her. Yeah, such a loving husband. So 1439 01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:18.119 far he had not had a single receipt, so no receipts, 1440 01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:21.199 no money. So basically, as far as the world was concerned, 1441 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:24.880 he just full on walked out on his family. Phil 1442 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.720 Be added that if she could afford the luxuries of 1443 01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:32.119 risking her neck at point two points, at point to points, 1444 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:34.119 she can damn well send me the receipts. 1445 01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:40.159 Yeah. He finished his attack on his wife with the 1446 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:45.840 comment that he was fed up with her idleness. Yeah, 1447 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:47.319 he's real, real, peach. 1448 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:50.720 I mean, clearly this was just an arrangement kind of 1449 01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:53.960 a situation to uphold his cover, and then with her 1450 01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:56.920 getting more suspicious, she probably felt like she was losing 1451 01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:58.439 her mind because he was. 1452 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:00.199 Gaslighting her so well. 1453 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.119 Oh god, that every time she even thought that she 1454 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.680 was making headway of like I know you're doing something nefarious, 1455 01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:10.359 then he would just come back at her and like 1456 01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.239 you're crazy or this or that. I'm sure he even 1457 01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.640 talked about putting her in an institution, because back then 1458 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.079 they just throw your ass in the institution for everything. 1459 01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:20.640 So I don't think he fair enough to even say that, 1460 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:23.000 because she needed to be home to take care of 1461 01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:24.600 the kids so he could go and do whatever the 1462 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:25.520 fuck he wanted. 1463 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:29.880 Like, my god, this bitch won't shut up, Like Okay, yeah, 1464 01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:31.800 I know you're trying to let the house on fire. 1465 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:34.239 I know you're trying to kill yourself and you just 1466 01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:39.279 get it together. Okay, we're all out here struggling. It's crazy. 1467 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:41.560 He didn't give a fuck. I mean, this is just 1468 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.880 a part of his cover. He was like deeply entrenched 1469 01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:48.000 and obsessed with like doing this, which is crazy to me. 1470 01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:48.800 Oh yeah. 1471 01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:52.199 He was a full blown believer of the communist way, 1472 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:56.399 like a full cult member of that group. Continuing on here, 1473 01:20:56.560 --> 01:21:00.560 Kim Philby had become involved with Eleanor Brewer, the wife 1474 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.720 of Sam Prope Brewer, a journalist working for the New 1475 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:07.359 York Times. So he was honey potting to get information 1476 01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:09.880 later on from another journalist's sources. Believe it or not, 1477 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:13.479 She later recalled what touched me first about Kim was 1478 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:14.600 his loneliness. 1479 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:16.760 Ah, there you go. 1480 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.239 He's using all the things to his advantage, being a 1481 01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:22.680 real fuck boy about it. A certain old fashioned reserve 1482 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:26.279 set him apart from the easily familiarity of the other 1483 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:28.640 journalists because he wasn't a journalist. 1484 01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:29.159 He was a spy. 1485 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:30.199 Yeah. 1486 01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:33.439 He was then forty four, of medium height, very lean, 1487 01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:35.840 with a handsome, heavy lined face. I'm gonna show you 1488 01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:36.920 a picture of this guy in a bit. 1489 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.600 I want you to tell he's not at all. 1490 01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:43.560 Yeah, like you know, okay, his eyes were an intense blue, 1491 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:45.720 and he had a gift for creating an atmosphere of 1492 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:48.920 such intimacy that I found myself talking freely to him. 1493 01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:50.119 Yeah. 1494 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:51.479 Fuck boyshit right there. 1495 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.279 He's very smart with how he talks. I mean, clearly 1496 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:56.720 he's gotten out of all this so far. So he's 1497 01:21:57.159 --> 01:21:59.880 pretty intelligent when it comes to being able to manipulate people. 1498 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.600 She says, I was very impressed by his beautiful manners. 1499 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.560 We took him under our wing. Kim soon became one 1500 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.399 of our closest friends, and then he started fucking her 1501 01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:13.039 behind her husband's back, just you know, as you do, 1502 01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:17.359 I suppose. Anthony Cave Brown, the author of Treason of Blood, 1503 01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.560 has argued that within two weeks of meeting, they became lovers, 1504 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:25.079 meeting secretly at little cafes in the mountains, at the beaches, 1505 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:28.359 anywhere they would not be seen by friends. He showered 1506 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.439 her with the little love notes written on paper from 1507 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:34.560 cigarette packages. Brewer had long since ceased to concern himself 1508 01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:37.359 with his wife's fidelity and kept the marriage in place 1509 01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:40.840 only for the sake of their daughter. Annie Brown believes 1510 01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:45.079 that their evidence that Wilburg. Crane Evelyn, the CIA's station 1511 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:49.199 chief in Beirut, had asked Eleanor to spy on Philby, 1512 01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:55.920 possibly m M sense certain letters Shoe Evelyn advising a 1513 01:22:56.079 --> 01:23:00.239 CIA officer about the relationship, suggesting that she was his 1514 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:07.840 controlled informant in the Philby case. It's very possible. I 1515 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.680 don't know that for a fact, but I believe it's 1516 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:11.720 possible anyway. 1517 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:11.960 Okay. 1518 01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.520 So that's the situation of how Kim Philby went from 1519 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:20.279 being an obscure nobody got in with a communist's piece 1520 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:23.199 of ass, then moved on to a woman who had 1521 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.800 a lot of family connections in England, and then found 1522 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.880 himself in these positions on the spy network side of things, 1523 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.600 which I think was rather interesting, to be honest with you. 1524 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:37.039 According to one later report, about half the documents the 1525 01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.760 British spy sent to Moscow were never even read due 1526 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:43.319 to the distrust. Nonetheless, the Soviets received a great deal 1527 01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:47.279 of secret information one thousand, seven hundred and seventy one 1528 01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:51.239 documents from Blunt the art Guy, forty six hundred and 1529 01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:55.840 five from Burgess, forty five damn Here, forty six hundred 1530 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:59.600 from MacLean, and five thousand, eight hundred and thirty two 1531 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:03.600 from Cairncross. All of this was from nineteen forty one 1532 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:05.079 until nineteen forty five. 1533 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:07.760 Wow, that's a lot. 1534 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:11.279 I mean, to what level these documents were, to what 1535 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:16.039 level of secrecy? Was it communications, was it battle plans? 1536 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.479 Was it nuclear secrets? I mean, the mind boggles to 1537 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.199 really think about it. But even still, all of that 1538 01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:25.119 was done because they were too worried about the war 1539 01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:28.800 and nobody was paying attention to this. Apparently. I don't 1540 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.439 know why they wouldn't. You would think that during a 1541 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.359 war you'd be paying real close attention to your spine network. 1542 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:38.479 But okay whatever. MacLean and Burges met as students at 1543 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.920 Cambridge in the early nineteen thirties, both of them being 1544 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:45.239 ideologically opposed to capitalism. They were recruited by Soviet intelligence 1545 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:48.880 operatives and became undercover agents. McLean began delivering information of 1546 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.720 the Soviet operatives as a member of the Foreign Office 1547 01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:55.479 in nineteen thirty four. Burgess also began supplying information from 1548 01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.960 various positions between thirty six and forty four, first as 1549 01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:02.079 a BBC Corps spawn it once again, the journalism comes 1550 01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:05.319 in here, then as an active member of British intelligence 1551 01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:08.000 and then finally as a member of the Foreign Office, 1552 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:10.880 that's when he was the connection between the CIA and 1553 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:14.199 MI six. MacLean and Burgers were reportedly seen by their 1554 01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.199 Soviet handlers as hopeless drunks, and they had a hard 1555 01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:20.159 time keeping their secret occupations to themselves, and it said 1556 01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:23.920 that Burgess, while leaving a pub highly intoxicated, accidentally dropped 1557 01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:25.720 one of the secret files he had just taken from 1558 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:30.239 the Foreign Office, thereby potentially jeopardizing his secret identity. MacLean 1559 01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.239 was also known to have leaked information about his secret 1560 01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.399 activities to his brother and close friends. Although they struggled 1561 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.319 to keep secrets, they did not stop them from delivering information. 1562 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:42.399 Burgess reportedly handed out about three hundred and eighty nine 1563 01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.560 top secret documents over to the Soviets within the early 1564 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:48.399 part of nineteen forty five, along with an additional one 1565 01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.479 hundred and sixty eight documents in December of nineteen forty nine. 1566 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:56.840 Between thirty four and fifty one, MacLean passed numerous secrets 1567 01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.399 to Moscow. The lack of detection was due to the 1568 01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:02.800 refusal of British intelligence to listen to warnings from the US. 1569 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.520 Even after the FBI had established that an agent code 1570 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:10.399 named Homer, had been operating inside the British embassy in 1571 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:14.079 Washington during the war. According to a review of McLean's 1572 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:19.039 biography by Roland Phillips, Now, who is the guy that 1573 01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:23.039 discovered this? You might be asking, who's the dude that 1574 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:25.720 was able to really find Oh wait a minute, you know, 1575 01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:30.119 like we have a real mole situation here. 1576 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:32.199 This guy, Meredith K. 1577 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:37.239 Gardner, all right, so cracked the codes to unmask key 1578 01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:38.159 Soviet spies. 1579 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:40.079 I wonder if they got picture of the guy. They 1580 01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.560 do not. Another article did. But he just he looked 1581 01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:46.479 like a data analytical nerd, honestly, and his whole job 1582 01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:49.560 was to take codes and try to find patterns. 1583 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.640 That was it before AI was invented, right. 1584 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.800 Before computers, honestly, or at least they weren't being used 1585 01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:59.800 for this purpose. And he discovered that there was a 1586 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.079 code that was there was a pattern in this code 1587 01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:06.800 that was coming from Moscow to Britain to the United 1588 01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:10.239 States and then back through the same network. He was 1589 01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:14.159 able to figure out that their aliases was Homer, and 1590 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.479 he was working on this other alias and he figured 1591 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:19.359 out he thought he knew who Homer was and all 1592 01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:19.880 these things. 1593 01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:21.439 So when he found this. 1594 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:27.680 Out, he reports to the liaison, who happened to be 1595 01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:28.640 Kim Philby. 1596 01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:31.560 Yeah, who happened to spy, the head. 1597 01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:35.119 Of the entire debacle. So oh sorry, jumped ahead here, 1598 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:40.479 continuing on where'd it go? Ohy, I was here? Anyways, 1599 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.359 it was discovered by the FBI by the Americans that 1600 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:45.399 y'all have a spy. 1601 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:47.720 We know for sure we have two of them in America. 1602 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:50.039 We know for sure there's at least one in Britain. 1603 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:52.760 We're going to start to do an investigation on this. 1604 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:58.039 This is when Philby told his boys listen, it was 1605 01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:01.680 a MacLean. He told Burgess to go to England and 1606 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:03.880 tell MacLean, ay, bro, he's been compromised. 1607 01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:06.680 He needs to leave. You need to stay. 1608 01:28:07.399 --> 01:28:09.600 Do not go, because if both of y'all take off, 1609 01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.880 you both work directly for me. And if both of 1610 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:17.039 you take off, what am I gonna look like? So 1611 01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:20.479 they both took off, obviously and randow Russia with their 1612 01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:22.439 tails tucked because they were scared of reprisals. 1613 01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:25.399 And somehow Philby was able to say the right words 1614 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:26.720 to get away with all of that for a while. 1615 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.359 But anyway, moving forward. Philby, which was posted in the 1616 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:33.119 British Embassy in Washington after the war, learned that America 1617 01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:35.720 and British authorities were searching for a mole in the 1618 01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:37.880 British embassy. Uh oh wait, we just kind of talked 1619 01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:39.600 about that. We don't really have to go into the 1620 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.840 deepness of that. Burgess and MacLean disappeared in the summer 1621 01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.159 of nineteen fifty one and spent most of the next 1622 01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:51.840 four years living covertly in Kubyashev. Yeah, Kubyashev, Russia. Their 1623 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:54.760 whereabouts were unclear for some time, and their defection was 1624 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.199 not confirmed until nineteen fifty six, when the two appeared 1625 01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.439 at a press conference in Moscow. Though Burgess was not 1626 01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.560 supposed to effect at the same time as McLean, it 1627 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.159 has been claimed that he had been ordered to do 1628 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:09.399 so by his controllers in Moscow. I don't believe that's 1629 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:13.359 actually real, but anyway, the move immediately cast suspicion on 1630 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:15.680 Philby because of his close connection with both of them, 1631 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:19.439 and Philby could have even climbed to a higher position 1632 01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:23.199 if this wouldn't have happened. Because at this time, nobody 1633 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:27.560 had anything negative to say about the Guy. In twenty nineteen, 1634 01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:32.279 Russia honored Burgess and MacLean in a ceremony they had 1635 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:35.399 already passed by this point, and a plaque was attached 1636 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:38.520 to the building where they lived in the nineteen fifties. 1637 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:42.840 The head of Russia's foreign intelligence service, the SVR praised 1638 01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:48.399 the duo on social media, having supplied Soviet intelligence with 1639 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:53.079 the most important information for more than twenty years, making 1640 01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:57.319 a significant contribution to the victory over fascism, the protection 1641 01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:01.000 of our strategic interests and ensuring the scene of our country. 1642 01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:03.399 That's insane. 1643 01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:05.680 They were able to operate for so long and gather 1644 01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:08.239 so much information in just four years. I mean, it's 1645 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:10.640 almost twelve thousand documents that they were able to gather 1646 01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:11.880 than three of them. 1647 01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:15.239 Technically it was more closely to twenty because they started 1648 01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:17.800 in nineteen thirties and they ended in the fifties, so 1649 01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:22.039 I mean, even still nobody found out who they were, 1650 01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:25.680 and then whenever they almost did, they just defected and 1651 01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:28.079 lived under house arrest for a while. But they from 1652 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:31.760 all accounts, they kind of moved on and lived relatively normal, happy, 1653 01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:34.000 healthy lives towards the end of that and just drank 1654 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:35.800 themselves to death, because what else are you going to 1655 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:36.399 do in Russia? 1656 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:40.760 I guess all right, so we already kind of broke 1657 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:41.760 down Philby a bit. 1658 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:44.680 I don't really need to go into it a bunch, 1659 01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:47.840 but in the later nineteen fifties we talked about if 1660 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:49.920 Philby left the Secret Service and began working as a 1661 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.880 journalist in the Middle East, writing for The Economist and 1662 01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:56.119 the Observer. M I six then re employed him around 1663 01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:58.560 the same time to provide reports about that region. 1664 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:00.760 Seen sixty one. 1665 01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:05.279 There was another defector and atotally Golitzen provided information which 1666 01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:08.399 pointed to Philby. An I six officer and friend of 1667 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.880 Philby from his earlier six Days, Nicholas Elliott was sent 1668 01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:15.039 in sixty three to interview him in Beirut and reported 1669 01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:17.920 that Philby seemed to know that he was coming, indicating 1670 01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:22.760 the presence of yet another mole in six. Nonetheless, Philby 1671 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:26.600 confessed to Elliott, so after he had been kicked out, 1672 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.399 after he's working as a reporter and banging the other 1673 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.640 reporter's wife and all this shit. I six final was like, hey, 1674 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:37.079 wait a minute, you're you're the spy, and like we 1675 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:40.920 have another source that is saying this, So what the 1676 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.640 fuck bro. Shortly after, fearing he might be abducted in Lebanon, 1677 01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.119 Philby defected to the Soviet Union under their cover of 1678 01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:52.399 night aboard a Soviet freighter. For the first seven years 1679 01:31:52.439 --> 01:31:55.199 in Moscow, he was under virtual house arrest, since the 1680 01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:57.720 Soviets were concerned that he might defect back to the West. 1681 01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.479 At least they acknowledge that with this guy. According to 1682 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:02.560 an article in the New York Times, the same New 1683 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:06.399 York Times, who's writer who probably wrote this article, he 1684 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.399 was hooking up with the wife whatever. He was given 1685 01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:11.520 no rank nor an office. 1686 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:14.520 In fact, for the most part, Philby was frozen out 1687 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:16.359 and his suggestions ignored. 1688 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:17.960 This ruined his life. 1689 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:21.560 After his death, however, Philby was awarded a number of 1690 01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:23.000 medals by the Soviets. 1691 01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:27.000 So, yeah, so they pretty much said fuck you and 1692 01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:29.239 all your service and everything that you've done for us, 1693 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:32.279 and all the spy stuff and everything, and then after 1694 01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:33.199 your death, oh. 1695 01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:34.479 Now we'll award you. 1696 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:35.680 Like he was such a hero. 1697 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:39.760 It makes zero sense to me why they would do 1698 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:41.479 this to him, Like you would think that he would 1699 01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:44.079 be like a national fucking dreasure at that point. 1700 01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:46.760 You would think, But sayah, Russia, don't give a fuck 1701 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:50.800 about nobody, dude, nothing makes sense there, literally nothing makes 1702 01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:51.199 sense there. 1703 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:53.520 I don't know. 1704 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:56.000 I mean, but to be fair though, like if you 1705 01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:59.239 have a spy, like they are the best at lying 1706 01:32:59.359 --> 01:32:59.920 and manipula. 1707 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:03.159 There is to offer pretty much. And so how do 1708 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:05.239 you know they're not spying for the West now? 1709 01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:08.680 I mean, clearly the dude was obsessed with you know, 1710 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:12.039 the Soviet Union and everything else. But you know, I 1711 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:15.399 can see them being distrustful, but to outright ruin his 1712 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:16.279 life pretty much? 1713 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.960 Oh, it's it's so deep. You you've ever seen the 1714 01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:23.880 show Big Brother? Mm hmm, okay, do you remember that 1715 01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:27.119 season when a interrogator won it? 1716 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:31.359 I think maybe I don't. 1717 01:33:31.720 --> 01:33:34.880 So this dude who already knows how to manipulate the 1718 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.199 human mind and already knows how to gain people's trust, 1719 01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:41.319 he's an interrogator. I forget if it was for the 1720 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:43.920 police or for the Fed or what, but this dude 1721 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.319 professionally fucks with people's minds to get what he wants 1722 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:49.520 out of them. Then he goes for a Big Brother, 1723 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.039 and then once he won, admitutes to everybody, I've been 1724 01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:53.800 playing all of you. 1725 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:54.479 Since day one. 1726 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:58.399 Likes this was very easy you're so manipulable all of you, 1727 01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.680 like you're like clay, and they were like, we trusted you. 1728 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:06.199 He's like, I know that. That was the point. All right, cool, 1729 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:08.319 I'm gonna take my money now. It was a whole thing. 1730 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:11.079 And that was that was low level shit compared to 1731 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:12.119 what these guys are doing. 1732 01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.000 I mean, for him to get away with, like multiple 1733 01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:20.479 times being suspected of doing stuff, especially during this timeframe 1734 01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:24.039 and how suspicious everybody was, and then to have two 1735 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.760 people directly under you defect and be proven to be spies, 1736 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:30.960 it's pretty it's pretty crazy. 1737 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:31.439 To be honest with you. 1738 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:38.159 Yeah, it really is. And it went on for so long. 1739 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:41.640 They gave so many secrets away. And that's that's the 1740 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.319 other thing. It's not that during the Cold War, it's not. 1741 01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:48.119 The Soviet Union was like actually a competition, like they 1742 01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:52.439 had no competitive edge over the West, I should say, 1743 01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:55.640 but they had spies that were able to give them 1744 01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.039 all of this insel the same way that China is 1745 01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:02.359 doing things right now. How many Chinese spies have been 1746 01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:04.960 caught in this country and not to I know, he 1747 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:06.920 had the bio lab that was caught, We had those 1748 01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:09.319 names that were bringing in those infected seeds that we're 1749 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:12.600 gonna be able to tear apart our agricultural infrastructure, all 1750 01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:16.560 these things. We have multiple Chinese spies that have been 1751 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:20.640 caught in DC and in New York City within the 1752 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:23.079 last two years, and that's just there. There's been one 1753 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:25.279 that was caught in California. I want to say, there 1754 01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:27.479 was one that was just apprehended in Texas not too 1755 01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:30.079 long ago. Like it's they're all over doing the exact 1756 01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:30.640 same thing. 1757 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:34.880 Yeah, I mean they're working in Canada and coming down 1758 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:37.520 according to some of the information, and then you have 1759 01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:42.119 you know what's his name, the do that did the 1760 01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:46.399 genetics experiments that got shunned and all this stuff by 1761 01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:49.159 the who He lives in Texas and he's like he 1762 01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:51.800 like finally got able to come over here and is 1763 01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:56.000 doing experimental things. Still he's never stopped. There's a lot 1764 01:35:56.199 --> 01:36:01.000 of spy network still happening. And this protein's exactly today 1765 01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:04.039 as it did back then because the spies are just 1766 01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:07.359 gotten better, but so is the technology. So I mean 1767 01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:11.079 spying though has been around forever though, I mean spies 1768 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:15.560 have always infiltrated kingdoms and different things and gathering intel 1769 01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:16.479 and whatnot. 1770 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:17.640 I think it's. 1771 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:19.880 Spying is kind of cool in one way to me, 1772 01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:23.159 because it's like, you got to be really really good 1773 01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:28.359 at being intelligent, being manipultive, being like really understanding the 1774 01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:32.079 humans how humans work, and then being extremely confident and 1775 01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:33.680 like doing all this stuff to be able to do 1776 01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.920 this on one on like a just a standback looking 1777 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:39.960 at it like a scientific way. It's kind of fascinating, 1778 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:42.960 to be honest. But as a as a person, though, man, 1779 01:36:43.039 --> 01:36:47.239 you are really fucking shitty. You're really shitty a person. 1780 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:49.199 But then we have our own spies though, that are 1781 01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:51.439 all over the world that are spying for us and 1782 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:54.800 trying to gather intel cheap protect Americans if we would 1783 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:57.800 like to believe that. But you know, there are still 1784 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.600 spies that are within our own country that are doing things, 1785 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:04.600 so you know, it's one of just those things that happens. 1786 01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:07.920 I guess, oh yeah, for the record, just because we're 1787 01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:11.079 talking about Soviet spies, and I find that especially egregious 1788 01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:14.560 because they were trying to further the message of a 1789 01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:17.520 group that has been responsible for more deaths than anything 1790 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:21.079 else in human history. We still have our spies, Like, 1791 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:23.960 I'm not mad that they were doing their job I'm 1792 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:28.439 mad about the place of which that information was going. 1793 01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:29.479 You know what I mean. 1794 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:33.560 We have tons of spies America, spies all over the place, 1795 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:37.039 and it's just this is how this goes. Every nation does, 1796 01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:42.319 every nation does, Okay, Jeffrey Epstein, once again, he wasn't 1797 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:47.039 spying for America. He wasn't spying for Israel, he wasn't 1798 01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:51.239 spying for euro poll, he wasn't spying for the Russians. 1799 01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:56.159 He was spying for everyone. He was getting blackmail for everyone. 1800 01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.239 Whoever wanted to pay him for the videos and pictures 1801 01:37:59.319 --> 01:37:59.640 he had. 1802 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.039 He was fine with it. He was in the money 1803 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:05.760 making business and the discussing business of you know, the pedophilia. 1804 01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:11.920 But yeah, no, he it was whoever would pay him, everybody, 1805 01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:12.199 I know. 1806 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:14.800 Yes, he was an Israeli asset for sure, and an 1807 01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:17.520 American asset, and a Russian asset, and a French asset, 1808 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:18.479 and a German asset. 1809 01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:20.319 It's all of them. 1810 01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:26.880 These dudes specifically were working for Russia in Britain and 1811 01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:30.159 in America, which is it's still mind blowing. It took 1812 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:34.000 American Intel Services to pull like the plug on this 1813 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:36.840 and be like, hey, Britain, this guy is clearly dirty 1814 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:41.760 and Britain still was like, nah, what, that's crazy, even 1815 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.359 though two of the guys that work under him, like 1816 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:49.039 his boys, just defected to Russia and were confirmed spies. 1817 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:52.039 But like, not him, though, how can he have possibly known? 1818 01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:54.920 They've only worked under him for twenty years and had 1819 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.079 really close connections with him outside of work, Like, there's 1820 01:38:58.199 --> 01:38:59.399 no way he could have known. 1821 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:00.880 Bro, what. 1822 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:03.399 M Yeah, it's insane. 1823 01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:07.880 Moving forward here Anthony Blunt, former surveyor of the King's 1824 01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:12.279 Pictures What a Title and later Queen's Pictures for the 1825 01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:15.119 Royal Art Collection. He served as an MI five member 1826 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:18.439 and supplied secret information to the KGB, while also providing 1827 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:22.680 warnings to fellow agents of certain counterintelligence that could potentially 1828 01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:26.479 endanger them, so he was like their shield almost. In 1829 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:31.359 sixty four five received information from the American Michael Whitley 1830 01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:35.640 Straight or Whitney Strait, pointing that Blunt's espionage and the 1831 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:38.359 two had known each other at Cambridge some thirty years 1832 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:42.159 before Blunt recruited Straight as a spy and then we 1833 01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:43.119 talked about that already. 1834 01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:45.119 Straight kind of came forward later on, was like, hey, bro, 1835 01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:47.560 this is what happened. This is your guy over here. 1836 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:52.039 Blunt was interrogated by I five and confessed in exchange 1837 01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:56.840 for immunity from prosecution, as he was by nineteen sixty 1838 01:39:56.880 --> 01:40:00.640 four without access to classified information. He had secretly been 1839 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:04.159 granted immunity by the Attorney General in exchange for revealing 1840 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:08.520 everything he knew. Peter Wright, one of Blunt's interrogators, described 1841 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:12.159 it in his book SpyCatcher, about how Blunt was evasive 1842 01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:16.479 and only made admissions grudgingly when confronted. 1843 01:40:16.039 --> 01:40:19.760 With the undeniable. So he wasn't even willing to give 1844 01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:20.640 up all the information. 1845 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:22.800 He kind of just tortured it out of him. 1846 01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:26.399 They could have, but somehow they didn't because at that 1847 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:28.239 point he still had a knighthood, he was still a 1848 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:28.680 part of the. 1849 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:30.640 Nobility and all the blah blah blah blahs. 1850 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:34.560 Anyway, in seventy nine, Blunt was publicly accused of being 1851 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:38.520 a Soviet agent by the investigative journalist Andrew Boyle in 1852 01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:41.399 his book Climate of Treason. In November of seventy nine, 1853 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:44.079 Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher admitted it to the House of 1854 01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:47.119 Commons that Blunt had confessed to being a Soviet spy 1855 01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:52.159 fifteen years previously, so they knew about it, and nobody 1856 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:56.680 did anything to him. The term five, like the Cambridge five, 1857 01:40:56.840 --> 01:40:59.560 began to be used in nineteen sixty one when KGB 1858 01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:04.119 defect Anatolely Gullitzen named MacLean and Burgess as part of 1859 01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:08.760 a ring of five, with Philby a probable third, alongside 1860 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:12.000 with two other agents whom he did not know. Yeah, 1861 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.279 so anyway we could get into the rest of it here. 1862 01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:20.960 John Cairncross he was known as a British literary scholar 1863 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:24.520 until he was later identified as a Soviet atomic spy. 1864 01:41:25.399 --> 01:41:27.720 While a civil servant in the Foreign Office, he was 1865 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:30.560 recruited in nineteen thirty seven by James Klugman. What a 1866 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.439 name to become a Soviet spy. He moved to the 1867 01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.479 Treasury in nineteen thirty eight, but transferred once again to 1868 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:39.439 the Cabinet Office in nineteen forty, where he served as 1869 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:44.239 the private secretary for Sir Sir Morris Hankey the Government 1870 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:48.279 Code and Cipher School at Belcher Park, and then in 1871 01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:52.760 nineteen forty three to six. Following World War Two, it 1872 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:55.640 is said that caren Cross leaked information regarding the new 1873 01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:59.199 NATO alliance to the Soviets, on the base of information 1874 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:03.520 provided by glitz him. Speculators raged on for many years 1875 01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:07.399 as the identity of the Fifth Man, the journalist's popularity 1876 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:10.239 of the phrase, oh something to the unrelated novels The 1877 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:12.760 Third Man and the Tenth Man, written by Graham Green, 1878 01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:16.840 who coincidentally worked with Philby and Cancross. During the Second 1879 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:22.640 World War, he wrote novels about spycraft. Later he realized, Wait, 1880 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:24.960 the guys who are inspiration for some of my books 1881 01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:26.479 actually turned out to be Soviet spies. 1882 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:27.640 He didn't even know that when he wrote this. 1883 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:33.119 Oh my gosh, I'd be like, God, damn it, I was. 1884 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:35.880 I mean, I was right the whole time. 1885 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.399 I knew it, like it's crazy. 1886 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:40.760 Obviously he was picking up on some stuff, but didn't 1887 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:42.840 even think to put two and two together, so did not. 1888 01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:45.119 Cam Cross confessed to having been a spy for the 1889 01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.520 Soviets in nineteen sixty four meeting with the Six that 1890 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:51.239 was kept secret for some years. He was given immunity 1891 01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:54.479 from prosecution. The public became aware of his treachery in 1892 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:57.920 December of nineteen seventy nine. However, when cam Cross made 1893 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:01.560 a public confession to journalists Bear Pinrose, the news was 1894 01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:05.000 widely publicized, leading many to surmise that it was in 1895 01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:08.560 fact the fifth man. That was confirmed in a nineteen 1896 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:13.119 eighty nine by the KGB Oleg Gordievski who had defected 1897 01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:16.119 to Britain, so they had a Russian spy defect that 1898 01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:18.439 he was like, yeah, no, that's absolutely confirmed. 1899 01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:20.640 That was the guy. That was one of the guys anyway. 1900 01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:25.279 His designation as the fifth man also confirmed in a 1901 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:28.359 former KGB ag at Uri Moden's published we talked about 1902 01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:33.159 that the five Cambridge Friends Burgess McLean, Philby Blunt and 1903 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:37.000 can Cross. Camcross is not always considered to have been 1904 01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:39.239 part of during a five though a student at the 1905 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:42.800 University of Cambridge, he only he knew only Blunt, who 1906 01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:46.239 by then was teaching modern languages in nineteen thirty four. 1907 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:48.640 When cam Cross arrived at Cambridge, the other three members 1908 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:51.119 of the ring had already graduated. That's what I'm saying, 1909 01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:55.600 Like you have, these three clearly were connected, they all 1910 01:43:55.640 --> 01:43:58.199 worked together, they all, you know whatever. When it comes 1911 01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:03.880 to King Cross and Blunt, Blunt was a teacher at 1912 01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:06.880 the time and he was a relatively older dude than 1913 01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:10.399 everybody else. They these five weren't connected. But when the 1914 01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:14.439 story broke, everything broke and that's just why the Moniker 1915 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:15.079 became a thing. 1916 01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:18.359 Clearly, there's way more than just the five of them, 1917 01:44:18.439 --> 01:44:21.119 though at this point, like, come on now, just to 1918 01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:23.399 think that there's only five and that this has just 1919 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.720 been to the five of them for two decades. No, 1920 01:44:27.319 --> 01:44:30.199 no way, not at all, and especially the positions that 1921 01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:33.439 they held and like how they influenced things or at 1922 01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:35.079 least the information they were able to gather. 1923 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:35.920 Yep. 1924 01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:40.319 Now, so now let's talk about the attempted cover up 1925 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.479 and why they would have tried to cover up the 1926 01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:47.479 fact that they had just been caught, like the British 1927 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:50.640 intelligence agencies were caught with their pants down, like, oh shit, 1928 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:52.920 we're supposed to be the great one of the greatest 1929 01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:55.119 spy agencies on Earth and we're getting best to buy 1930 01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:56.239 the Soviets over here. 1931 01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:57.680 Why would they keep that covered up? 1932 01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:02.319 You might ask embarrassment ego, just to name a few, 1933 01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:06.840 but let's go for unknown reasons. Prime Minister Alec Douglas 1934 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:11.520 Holmes was not advised of Anthony Blunt's spying, although the 1935 01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:15.479 Queen and Home Security Henry Brooke were informed. So the 1936 01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:18.840 Queen knew about it but did not tell the Prime Minister. 1937 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:24.199 Why you might ask. Some would say that it was 1938 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:27.880 because it was embarrassing to the royal family, because that's 1939 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:32.720 what's most important here. It was only a November of 1940 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:35.800 nineteen seventy nine that the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher formally 1941 01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:39.279 advised Parliament of blunch, treachery and the immunity deal that 1942 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:43.960 had been arranged fifteen years earlier. A twenty fifteen article 1943 01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:47.800 in The Guardian discussed four hundred top secret documents which 1944 01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:51.520 had been released at the National Archives and indicated that 1945 01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:55.760 five and six had worked diligently to prevent information about 1946 01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:58.439 the five from being disclosed to the British government or 1947 01:45:58.479 --> 01:46:00.720 I'm sorry to the British public, and even to the 1948 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:04.760 US government. A twenty sixteen review of a new book 1949 01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:07.359 about Burgess added that more than twenty percent of the 1950 01:46:07.439 --> 01:46:10.439 files related to the spies, most of whom defected more 1951 01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:14.920 than fifty years ago, remained closed and just a few 1952 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:20.840 years ago. In conclusion, the reviews stated that the Foreign Office, six, 1953 01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:24.279 M I five all have an interest in covering up 1954 01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:28.359 to protect themselves from huge embarrassment, and that more taxpayer 1955 01:46:28.439 --> 01:46:31.680 money is spent by Whitehall officials and the feudal attempt 1956 01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:33.479 to keep files under locking key forever. 1957 01:46:35.359 --> 01:46:39.720 It's insane. They're worried about the way they would look 1958 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:42.640 and how the public would no longer trust their government. 1959 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:44.840 And you look at the way Britain is right now. 1960 01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:50.079 They have been infiltrated. They've absolutely been infiltrated, and you know, 1961 01:46:50.439 --> 01:46:52.479 for the whole well, we don't want to be embarrassed. 1962 01:46:52.640 --> 01:46:55.600 We want to make sure our taxpayers still have some 1963 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:59.000 sort of a confidence in our government. And then it 1964 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:00.760 got taken over it anyway. 1965 01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:04.760 Nobody has any confidence and the government all going over 1966 01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:05.319 there right now. 1967 01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:07.880 So fine, no, I mean, granted, there's a lot of 1968 01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:09.319 people that don't have a lot of confidence in the 1969 01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.159 American government too, and like, okay. 1970 01:47:11.159 --> 01:47:13.680 That's fair though, that's I mean, both both of them 1971 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:16.239 are pretty shitty right now. But I will say I 1972 01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:19.199 think the UK is way more struggling than we are. 1973 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:24.000 Oh by leaps and bounds. Leaps and bounds, all right. 1974 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:27.359 So under thirty the thirty year rule, the four hundred 1975 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:30.560 documents should normally have been available years earlier. It was 1976 01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:34.119 particularly surprising that twenty percent of the information was redacted 1977 01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:37.960 or not released. Sounds like something we have going on 1978 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:41.159 in America right now. A news item at the time 1979 01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:43.439 stated that it is clear the full story of the 1980 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.439 Cambridge spies has not yet emerged. A summary of the 1981 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:50.439 documents indicated that they showed an inaction and incompetence on 1982 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:53.399 the part of the authorities enabled Guy Burgess and Donald 1983 01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:54.920 MacLean to make their escape to Moscow. 1984 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:58.600 Yeah, a bit. Additional secret files are released to the 1985 01:47:58.680 --> 01:47:59.960 National Archives in twenty two. 1986 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:02.960 That's when the news clip that we played in the 1987 01:48:03.039 --> 01:48:05.239 very beginning of this, that was from twenty twenty when 1988 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:08.760 this got released. They indicate that the government had intentionally 1989 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:13.520 conducted a campaign to keep Kim Philby's spying confidential quote, 1990 01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:17.760 to minimize political embarrassment and to prevent the publication of 1991 01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:20.880 his memoirs, according to a report by The Guardian. Nonetheless, 1992 01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:23.840 the information was publicized in nineteen sixty seven when the 1993 01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:28.560 Philby granted an interview with journalist Murray Sale of The Times. 1994 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:31.560 Philby confirmed that he had worked for the KGB and 1995 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:35.520 that his purpose in life was to destroy imperialism. This 1996 01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:41.680 revelation raised concerns that Blunt's spying would also be revealed 1997 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:45.119 to the public. All right, So that's the over under 1998 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:47.920 of the whole Cambridge five and all the things. So 1999 01:48:48.079 --> 01:48:51.520 now we already talked about the overarching story here. 2000 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:55.960 This is Kim Philby. I don't know what the fuck 2001 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:57.279 that woman was talking about. 2002 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:00.960 Nope, I don't say it. You know. 2003 01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:07.520 This is Guy Burgess himself, the double agent. This is 2004 01:49:07.640 --> 01:49:11.000 Don McLean, Donald MacLean, but yeah, they don't have a 2005 01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:12.640 lot of pictures of him, but this is the guy. 2006 01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:17.880 Next we go to Anthony Blunt. This is the artist 2007 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:19.960 person worked in the Royal Court. 2008 01:49:20.039 --> 01:49:22.279 To be fair, he does look like something that would 2009 01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:22.479 do that. 2010 01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:25.720 Oh for sure. He has villain vibes, don't he. 2011 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:31.079 He's like, you know what I'm talking about. I creepiness. 2012 01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:34.880 This is John Karen Cross, the guy who was stealing 2013 01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:36.199 the nuclear secrets and everything. 2014 01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.359 And again this is the man, the myth, the legend, 2015 01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:46.239 Kim Philby, who looks like doesn't he? 2016 01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:48.079 He really does. 2017 01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:50.760 There's no way that you're looking at this dude and 2018 01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:54.479 be like, oh, super suave, double O seven guy. He 2019 01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:57.560 looks like your boy living down the street that sells 2020 01:49:57.640 --> 01:49:59.399 vacuum cleaners or some shit, doesn't he? 2021 01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:01.199 Yeah, he does. 2022 01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:05.279 It's crazy. So again let's move forward. 2023 01:50:05.319 --> 01:50:09.000 Here Kim Philby's German moonshine I don't want to read 2024 01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:13.119 a whole lot of this, but they're well, actually, yeah, 2025 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:13.680 we can read this. 2026 01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:14.039 Why not. 2027 01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:18.479 This is an excerpt from the book Philby and SpyCatcher, 2028 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:23.880 the book that was written about these things. It says 2029 01:50:23.960 --> 01:50:26.399 I used this month's report to address an outstanding question 2030 01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:29.600 regarding Kim Philby and his actions on taking over Section 2031 01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:34.199 nine of six, namely, was Philby up to? What was 2032 01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:37.039 Philby up to in Europe in nineteen forty five? During 2033 01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:41.039 this analysis, I shall be bearing in mind the subsidiary questions, 2034 01:50:41.640 --> 01:50:44.279 which of the dates and locations of Philby's visits can 2035 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:48.439 be verified from other sources, What authority and what mission 2036 01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:51.600 did Philby carry at those times? What was the strategy 2037 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:54.479 of six at the time of these visits, and how 2038 01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:57.960 did these activities of Section nine relate to military strategy 2039 01:50:58.039 --> 01:50:58.880 at the end of the war? 2040 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:00.640 All right, talk about it here. 2041 01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:04.960 Some Kim Philby's travels in Europe in nineteen forty five, 2042 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:08.159 described in his memoirs My Silent War, may turn out 2043 01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:11.479 not to be highly significant, but there are worth inspecting 2044 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.199 because they occurred at a critical time in the post 2045 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:17.239 war evolution of six, which at the time was SIS, 2046 01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:21.920 and because his account of them contained some implausibilities. The 2047 01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:26.840 details are not easily verifiable, suggesting some possible deception. And 2048 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:31.239 what fascinates me is the fact that Philby's undisciplined account was, 2049 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:36.439 so far as I know, not been challenged anywhere, although 2050 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:39.199 it has been distorted. This suggests to me either that 2051 01:51:39.479 --> 01:51:42.239 a no one with any knowledge of the background has 2052 01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:44.920 paid much attention to the anomalies inherent to this account, 2053 01:51:45.479 --> 01:51:48.319 or b that it is more convenient to let Philby's 2054 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:53.079 fantasies endure, since they obscure some more embarrassing secrets that 2055 01:51:53.199 --> 01:51:55.239 the authorities probably wanted to remain secret. 2056 01:51:56.079 --> 01:51:57.720 So Philby had only recently. 2057 01:51:57.479 --> 01:52:00.199 In October nineteen forty four, been appointed to the head 2058 01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:03.319 of Section nine of six, which had been established in 2059 01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:05.680 March of nineteen forty three. So it was a relatively 2060 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:09.479 newer organization, and he was put in charge of a 2061 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:13.359 big chunk of it dedicated to Soviet counter espionage and 2062 01:52:13.439 --> 01:52:18.119 counter intelligence. Philby replaced John Curry, who having been loaned 2063 01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:21.640 by five to six to lead and built the unit 2064 01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:25.199 returned five in November of nineteen forty four. Section nine 2065 01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:28.439 was an outgrowth from the wartime Section five that targeted 2066 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:32.319 the Abware and the other Nazi intelligence groups in which 2067 01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:37.520 Philby had led the Iberian Section Spain. Such resources and 2068 01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:40.760 skills that drove Section five success were now required for 2069 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:43.199 the task of frustrating the Soviet Union's. 2070 01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:45.359 Designs for communism or communists subversion. 2071 01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:49.199 Philby had managed to persuade Valentine Vivian to give him 2072 01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:52.520 the job in place of the natural candidate, the diligent 2073 01:52:52.760 --> 01:52:57.199 but deful difficult Felix Cowgill, who had managed very well 2074 01:52:57.319 --> 01:53:00.640 Section five's operation of special control units in imbedded within 2075 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:05.359 the British Army. Calgil had, however, made himself unpopular with 2076 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:10.279 five because of his reluctance to share decryptied ultra intelligence, 2077 01:53:11.079 --> 01:53:15.479 and Philby's skillfully courted his allies Lidwell and White within 2078 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:17.159 five to secure the position. 2079 01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:20.880 So a little bit of right place, right time. 2080 01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:23.279 The guy that could have taken the position was not 2081 01:53:23.439 --> 01:53:26.800 very well liked, okay, And so then this guy Philip 2082 01:53:26.920 --> 01:53:28.960 comes in and just says the right words, He's got 2083 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:32.640 the right marital connections, all the things. Why not, Oh, 2084 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:37.039 get I'm a shot. Philby gave a grudging appreciation of 2085 01:53:37.119 --> 01:53:40.199 Calgil's skills and a report to his Moscow bosses, crediting 2086 01:53:40.279 --> 01:53:43.119 him with an enormous capacity for work, aided by a 2087 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:46.960 prodigious memory, and combative in standing up for his principles, 2088 01:53:47.319 --> 01:53:50.560 but he had few social graces, was unable to delegate, 2089 01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:54.640 and failed to or failed at any task of diplomatic negotiation. 2090 01:53:55.359 --> 01:53:58.640 Thus Calgil's ambitions were quickly snuffed. He returned from a 2091 01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:01.840 visit to the USA and further journey to Germany in 2092 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:05.359 November of nineteen forty four and resigned in a huff 2093 01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:08.000 when he discovered how he had been stabbed in the back. 2094 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:12.600 He's a rage quit. Basically, it is not my intention 2095 01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:15.560 here to offer a comprehensive analysis of the evolution of 2096 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:19.640 Section nine, a difficult enough challenge anyway, given the paucity 2097 01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:20.560 of sources. 2098 01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:21.760 I don't know what that's supposed to mean. 2099 01:54:22.239 --> 01:54:24.680 Rather, it is my goal to provide an accurate context 2100 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:28.399 of Philby's initiatives after he assumed leadership of the Section, 2101 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:32.359 thereby shedding light on his moments in nineteen forty five 2102 01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:36.000 and maybe really revealing more about how he was viewed 2103 01:54:36.039 --> 01:54:39.560 in six. It was a critical and sensitive time as 2104 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:41.479 the war began to wind down in the fresh threat 2105 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:44.560 of Soviet expansion in Europe and communists subversion of the 2106 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:48.800 democracies was recognized. A gradual shift in resources took place. 2107 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:53.359 Yet the assumption evident in the Express plans was that 2108 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:57.479 the transition from performing counterintelligence against one to Italian state 2109 01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:01.000 to building an organization to thwart them the incursions of 2110 01:55:01.159 --> 01:55:05.039 threats of Soviet Union would be relatively smooth. That was 2111 01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:09.039 an analysis that at first failed to register. Some significant differences. 2112 01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:13.399 The strength of Section five had been the successful exploitation 2113 01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:17.399 of wireless traffic undertaken by German military and intelligence units 2114 01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:21.479 operating on occupied territory. The enemy forces had been required 2115 01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:25.239 to use radio instead of secure landlines. A massive investment 2116 01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:29.079 in message capture by the Radio Secret Service and decipher 2117 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:32.920 decryption by the Government Code and Cipher School at Bletchley 2118 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:37.520 Park of the so called ultra traffic had allowed Section five, 2119 01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:42.119 in collaboration with five, to build up extensive map of 2120 01:55:42.279 --> 01:55:46.439 German units, movements, officers and missions, alongside information about their 2121 01:55:46.479 --> 01:55:47.319 deployment of agents. 2122 01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:50.000 This was supplemented by intelligence. 2123 01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:52.720 Gained from air reconnaissance as well as contributions from citizens 2124 01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:57.000 of these occupied territories who could provide ancillary information to 2125 01:55:57.079 --> 01:56:00.479 fill out the inventory, a vital store house of data 2126 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:03.880 was captured and maintained that helped the Allied military effort. 2127 01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:06.880 So the situation with the Soviet Union is very different. 2128 01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:10.960 First of all, it was still technically an ally and 2129 01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:14.800 there were factions, especially within the American Office of Strategic 2130 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:18.279 Service the OSS which would later become the CIA, and 2131 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:21.159 in the Foreign Office who looked forward to cooperating with 2132 01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:24.199 the Soviet Union after the war. They would have tried 2133 01:56:24.199 --> 01:56:28.039 to suffocate any plans for expanding Soviet counterintelligence work on 2134 01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:30.600 the external communist threat had, however, been. 2135 01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:33.239 Sadly neglected during the war. Both in my five and 2136 01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:35.720 in my six, both of them did this. 2137 01:56:36.279 --> 01:56:39.479 Wireless traffic was still very much a closed book, even 2138 01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:43.159 though some Soviet messages may have still been collected. Decryption 2139 01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:47.119 efforts had stopped after Barbarossa in June of nineteen forty one, 2140 01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:51.239 not until nineteen forty three, when renewed efforts by the 2141 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:55.359 exile polls at Boxmoor and a successful project based at 2142 01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:59.720 Berkeley Street in London under Denniston to decrypt x come 2143 01:57:00.199 --> 01:57:04.399 common turn communications in Eastern Europe was the process of 2144 01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:08.840 intelligence gathering resumed. In addition, the Soviet Union was heavily 2145 01:57:08.920 --> 01:57:09.840 guarded citadel. 2146 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:13.560 SIS had no agents at all on its territory, and 2147 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:18.079 sis's officers and outlying stations were known to the NKVD. 2148 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:21.119 They were known. They already knew who the agents were 2149 01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:25.199 and where they were. For example, when Archie Gibson moved 2150 01:57:25.319 --> 01:57:28.359 from Turkey to Sofia in September of nineteen forty four, 2151 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:32.520 he was expelled a couple weeks later. What SIS officers, 2152 01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:35.720 apart from Philby, of course, were not aware of, was 2153 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:39.800 that details of their complete organization, personnel and mission had 2154 01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:42.960 been regularly handed over to Moscow. It was not a 2155 01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:43.840 level playing field. 2156 01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:48.800 They had spies in there in Britain, but apparently Britain 2157 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:51.479 didn't have any spies in Moscow that they could use 2158 01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:57.279 to this advantage, all right, So then My Silent War 2159 01:57:57.319 --> 01:58:00.760 by Kim Philbey, written in sixty eight. Maby's own account 2160 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.760 of his travels is elliptical. He starts at the beginning 2161 01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:07.680 of nineteen forty five, when the Section nine was adequately 2162 01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:10.479 staffed and housed, the time came for me to visit 2163 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:13.920 some of our field stations, and after a paragraph complimenting 2164 01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:16.159 himself on the way that he repaired the damage, done 2165 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:23.319 by Harry Steptoe, Yeah Jesus Christ, with his station commanders 2166 01:58:23.439 --> 01:58:26.319 universally approving Philby's decisive sacking of the man. 2167 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:30.279 He offered an assessment of the state of the state 2168 01:58:30.359 --> 01:58:35.640 of counterintelligence. Our real target was invisible and inaudible. As 2169 01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:38.119 far as we were concerned, The Soviet Intelligence Service might 2170 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:42.000 never have existed. The upshot of our discussions could be 2171 01:58:42.039 --> 01:58:46.239 little more than a resolution to keep casting flies over 2172 01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:50.199 the Soviet and East European diplomatic personnel and over members 2173 01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:53.279 of the local communist parties. During my period of service, 2174 01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:55.279 there was no single case of a. 2175 01:58:57.119 --> 01:59:00.720 Excuse me, of a consciously conceived operation against so intelligence 2176 01:59:00.760 --> 01:59:04.479 bearing fruit. We progressed only by means of windfalls that 2177 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:07.640 literally threw the stuff into our laps. With one or 2178 01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:10.720 two exceptions to be noted later. These windfalls took the 2179 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:16.640 form of defectors from the Soviet Service. So one wonders 2180 01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:20.920 whether he presented such bleak outlook to his bosses at 2181 01:59:20.960 --> 01:59:23.640 the time, because this would have seemed to be, you know, 2182 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:26.520 no recipe for success, and he would surely have had 2183 01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:30.199 to present a more positive and energetic front to justify 2184 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:34.039 his expansion plans. He used he went on to describe 2185 01:59:34.079 --> 01:59:39.000 his sorties. These trips, which covered France, Germany, Italy and Greece, 2186 01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:43.279 were to some extent educative, since they gave me insight 2187 01:59:43.399 --> 01:59:46.960 into various types of SIS organizations in the field. But 2188 01:59:47.359 --> 01:59:50.680 after each journey I concluded without emotion that it would 2189 01:59:50.680 --> 01:59:53.640 take years to lay an effective basis for work against 2190 01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:58.600 the Soviet Union. Indeed, he then regaled his laters his 2191 01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:03.960 readers with a series of anecdotes from that summer, including 2192 02:00:04.039 --> 02:00:09.640 the wineglass of chilled flit which I drained in Berlin, Okay, 2193 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:14.199 under the impression that it was near Steiner, as well 2194 02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:20.119 memories of Rome, Barry and Larissa in Greece. My insant 2195 02:00:20.199 --> 02:00:23.720 reaction on rereading this recently was one of disbelief for 2196 02:00:23.800 --> 02:00:28.119 several reasons. First, the timing is impossible. The implication given 2197 02:00:28.199 --> 02:00:31.880 that is that Philby visited such stations early in nineteen 2198 02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:35.920 forty five. For Paris and other liberated cities, that would 2199 02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:40.920 obviously have been practicable, but for Germany it would have 2200 02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:44.079 been absurd, since the Nazi surrender did not take place 2201 02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:45.520 until May seventh. 2202 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:49.399 And we should remember that Philby was back in London. 2203 02:00:49.199 --> 02:00:53.520 In August of forty five, just before the Gozenko and 2204 02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:58.600 Volkov evens took place, darring interruptions that disrupted his peace 2205 02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:01.840 of mind. In any case where the outlying stations and 2206 02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.840 previously occupied Europe reconstituted that quickly, and would it have 2207 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:08.520 not been easier for Philby to have been briefed to 2208 02:01:08.680 --> 02:01:12.439 the station leaders in London anyway, So this guy kind 2209 02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:16.920 of breaks down some of the more creative liberty claims 2210 02:01:17.359 --> 02:01:21.359 that Philby makes in his book. And honestly, I can't 2211 02:01:21.479 --> 02:01:24.239 say with certainty one way or another if these are 2212 02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:28.800 legitimate or not, specifically because of the nature of the content. 2213 02:01:28.880 --> 02:01:33.720 It's spycraft. So you're that's like talking to old guy 2214 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:36.520 that served in Vietnam. Yeah, when me and my unit 2215 02:01:36.560 --> 02:01:41.039 got dropped into Laos, we did this and this like, wait, Americans. 2216 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:45.000 Didn't have forces in Laos, right, we totally didn't. 2217 02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:47.239 You're right, But he knows what he's talking about because 2218 02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:50.159 we had secret forces that got dropped in Laos and Cambodia. 2219 02:01:50.560 --> 02:01:55.399 It's like, just because they weren't there doesn't mean they 2220 02:01:55.439 --> 02:02:00.359 weren't actually there, if that makes sense. So anyway, all right, 2221 02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:03.039 as we wrap up this episode, I did want to 2222 02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:05.800 play this clip and it's a really good close out. 2223 02:02:06.199 --> 02:02:10.760 Shout out to redacted the channel on YouTube the declassified 2224 02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:14.640 Mysteries here Cambridge five, the spy scandal that broke six. 2225 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:17.920 I think this was an excellently done video. It's like 2226 02:02:17.960 --> 02:02:19.720 thirty minutes long of him. I wants to go watch it, 2227 02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:21.560 but I also think it's a great way to wrap 2228 02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:22.239 the episode up. 2229 02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:31.640 Words soon spread about Philby's defection, the betrayal by six's 2230 02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:37.840 former counterintelligence chief. Since shockwaves through British intelligence. Since Philby, Burgess, 2231 02:02:37.960 --> 02:02:41.640 and MacLean had all attended Cambridge University, the press dubbed 2232 02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:45.239 it the Cambridge Spy scandal, but there were more secrets 2233 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:49.199 that would take almost two decades to surface. Nearly seventeen 2234 02:02:49.319 --> 02:02:52.720 years after Philby fled to Russia. On November fifteenth, nineteen 2235 02:02:52.800 --> 02:02:56.600 seventy nine, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher spoke before the House 2236 02:02:56.640 --> 02:03:00.880 of Commons. She confirmed what a recent newspaper article had exposed. 2237 02:03:01.359 --> 02:03:05.760 Anthony Blunt, the Royal family's art curator and a Cambridge alumnus, 2238 02:03:06.319 --> 02:03:10.159 had been a Soviets spy. Even more shocking, Blunt had 2239 02:03:10.239 --> 02:03:13.760 confessed this back in nineteen sixty four, in exchange for 2240 02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:18.359 immunity from prosecution for fifteen years. Many in the government, 2241 02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:22.479 including the Royal household, had known of his treachery, yet 2242 02:03:22.560 --> 02:03:26.880 allowed him to keep his prestigious position. The British public 2243 02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:31.079 was stunned. Not only had Blunt passed sensitive information and 2244 02:03:31.239 --> 02:03:35.079 names of British agents to the Soviets, potentially getting them killed, 2245 02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:38.600 but their own government had covered it up to avoid embarrassment, 2246 02:03:39.239 --> 02:03:42.039 and many wondered what other secrets the government was hiding 2247 02:03:42.439 --> 02:03:45.560 if they could hide such a profound betrayal that long. 2248 02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:50.840 In nineteen eighty one, they got an answer. Margaret Thatcher 2249 02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:55.600 revealed yet another spy, John Cairncross, who was also recruited 2250 02:03:55.640 --> 02:03:59.279 from Cambridge. From his position at the code breaking center 2251 02:03:59.479 --> 02:04:03.600 Bletchley Park, he had passed decoded German messages to Moscow, 2252 02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:09.079 giving the Soviets advanced warning of Nazi military operations. Like Blunt, 2253 02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:11.560 his role as a double agent had been hidden from 2254 02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:15.960 the public for fifteen years to avoid embarrassing the government. 2255 02:04:17.359 --> 02:04:20.199 In the end, consequences caught up with all five Cambridge 2256 02:04:20.239 --> 02:04:24.399 spies in one form or another. After Kim Philby arrived 2257 02:04:24.439 --> 02:04:28.000 in Russia, he lived under house arrest for nearly a decade. 2258 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:32.439 Distrusted by the very people he'd served for years. Guy 2259 02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:35.800 Burgess and Don MacLean both died in exile in Russia. 2260 02:04:36.560 --> 02:04:39.800 Anthony Blunt was stripped of his positions and his knighthood 2261 02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:44.079 and died three years later. John Cairncross was forced into 2262 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:47.880 exile in mainland Europe, but was eventually allowed to return 2263 02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:52.039 to England before his death in nineteen ninety five. The 2264 02:04:52.119 --> 02:04:57.119 Cambridge Five scandal permanently shook British society. The revelations spread 2265 02:04:57.159 --> 02:05:01.760 across decades, exposed not just the stent of Soviet infiltration, 2266 02:05:02.399 --> 02:05:06.479 but also the government's willingness to hide uncomfortable truths. The 2267 02:05:06.560 --> 02:05:09.880 British public was left wondering how many lives have been 2268 02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:14.279 sacrificed to protect the reputation of the establishment. 2269 02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:20.119 I have to agree, honestly, I totally agree. 2270 02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:23.000 What is your thoughts on this raven? 2271 02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:26.359 I mean, this is a lot of people have never 2272 02:05:26.439 --> 02:05:28.640 heard of the Cambridge Five and maybe some of our 2273 02:05:28.720 --> 02:05:31.239 older cult members that were alive in the eighties, that 2274 02:05:31.399 --> 02:05:33.720 are adults in the eighties, let me rephrase that to 2275 02:05:33.960 --> 02:05:37.479 hear this news go out and possibly even alive in 2276 02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:40.960 the seventies, to hear that Thatcher had said these things, 2277 02:05:41.239 --> 02:05:44.359 they may remember this. I feel like a lot of 2278 02:05:44.399 --> 02:05:47.399 people of our generation have never heard of the Cambridge 2279 02:05:47.439 --> 02:05:49.399 Five and have no idea about the story that goes 2280 02:05:49.439 --> 02:05:49.760 into this. 2281 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:53.039 I feel like a lot of us know the movies, 2282 02:05:53.199 --> 02:05:55.600 the spy movies, and some of them that are based 2283 02:05:55.720 --> 02:05:58.479 off of things like this, like Salt, for example, the 2284 02:05:58.560 --> 02:06:02.680 one with Angeline and how they're embedded, you know, and 2285 02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:04.840 they've been here for a long long time and all 2286 02:06:04.880 --> 02:06:06.800 this stuff and they couldn't believe it, and she's a 2287 02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:07.359 double spy. 2288 02:06:07.560 --> 02:06:10.159 And there's a lot of movies that are like this. 2289 02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:14.000 So I think the idea of it is not foreign 2290 02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:17.119 to those of us that haven't heard about it, but 2291 02:06:17.560 --> 02:06:20.479 the actual narrative and what really took place in how 2292 02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:22.560 long they were in play, and all of all the 2293 02:06:22.640 --> 02:06:23.319 things that they did. 2294 02:06:24.119 --> 02:06:25.800 Yeah, I don't I don't believe that a lot of 2295 02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:26.680 people know about it. 2296 02:06:27.479 --> 02:06:29.760 I think it's interesting because it is a part of 2297 02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:32.039 our history that has led us to this point. And 2298 02:06:32.119 --> 02:06:35.359 then that poses questions of how many other spies from 2299 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:39.079 other nations are here in America versus us over there 2300 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:43.399 in their places, and you know, what are they actually infiltrating? 2301 02:06:43.560 --> 02:06:47.079 Are they swaying the media? Are they swing. Are they 2302 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:48.399 the ones whispering? 2303 02:06:48.520 --> 02:06:52.039 You know, because I forget who we talked about that 2304 02:06:52.439 --> 02:06:57.520 infiltrated religion, that group that infiltrated religious groups throughout history. 2305 02:06:58.439 --> 02:07:01.039 No, there's a I forget who we talked to. I'm 2306 02:07:01.039 --> 02:07:01.880 gonna have to think about it. 2307 02:07:02.159 --> 02:07:04.680 There's a group that probably one of cole members remember, 2308 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:06.479 talked to somebody a couple of months ago that I 2309 02:07:06.560 --> 02:07:08.920 was talking about this specific group a strange brew did. 2310 02:07:09.279 --> 02:07:13.119 There's a group that infiltrated and he believes is one 2311 02:07:13.159 --> 02:07:15.520 of the reasons why a lot of the narratives of 2312 02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:19.520 like hate and distrust has been sewn in different religions. 2313 02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:23.960 Oh, yes, I think maybe that's it. 2314 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:27.520 Yeah, And you know, if it's a spy network of 2315 02:07:27.640 --> 02:07:31.399 some type or an organization of some type that's infiltrating, 2316 02:07:31.439 --> 02:07:33.920 I mean, like you know, Scientology did it too, so 2317 02:07:34.079 --> 02:07:36.159 I mean it's not just spies, it's all sorts of 2318 02:07:36.199 --> 02:07:39.239 people that are doing this kind of spy esque work 2319 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:41.920 to change narratives and stuff. 2320 02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:44.640 I'm so glad you brought up Scientology because we did 2321 02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:47.800 an episode on Operations Snow White, and you body wants 2322 02:07:47.800 --> 02:07:49.279 to go back and listen to that. Go for but 2323 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:51.319 The short and dirty of it is, the Church of 2324 02:07:51.399 --> 02:07:56.359 Scientology had tons of members joined the FBI and the 2325 02:07:56.479 --> 02:08:00.800 CIA rise to the levels of upper echelon people just 2326 02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:03.039 so they could go in and remove all files and 2327 02:08:03.159 --> 02:08:06.319 all intelligence done on any members of the church itself. 2328 02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:08.800 And this is exposed. But at that point there was 2329 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:09.560 nothing that could be done. 2330 02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:11.680 Yeah, this happens. 2331 02:08:11.720 --> 02:08:15.359 So, I mean, it happens, I think with all sorts 2332 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:18.800 of things, and so you know, I'm I think it's 2333 02:08:18.840 --> 02:08:19.479 a good store. 2334 02:08:19.520 --> 02:08:20.640 I mean, it's not so story. 2335 02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:23.560 I think it's a good historical information to at least 2336 02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:26.079 know that this took place and that they were able 2337 02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:30.600 to operate for that long and continuously still by themselves 2338 02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:34.960 time and push more information out and some nerdy guy 2339 02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:37.039 was the only reason why they were able to even 2340 02:08:37.119 --> 02:08:41.039 catch a code. So you know that, you know, how 2341 02:08:41.079 --> 02:08:43.079 many other things have taken place that we don't know 2342 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:45.239 about and stuff, especially if they're willing to go to 2343 02:08:45.359 --> 02:08:48.239 such links to cover it up. I mean, fifteen years 2344 02:08:48.319 --> 02:08:51.319 of not telling nobody about it is quite a long time. 2345 02:08:51.640 --> 02:08:54.319 Right, And it's not like the American government's any better that. 2346 02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:57.399 Oh no, not an ample would be Operation snow White. 2347 02:08:57.800 --> 02:09:01.680 That's not publicly known, this public information. Anybody could google 2348 02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:04.600 this and see the extents, the lengths of people, all 2349 02:09:04.640 --> 02:09:07.920 the things. The American government hasn't like given a press 2350 02:09:07.960 --> 02:09:11.239 conference to confirm this, because that's a massive embarrassment. 2351 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:12.159 Right. 2352 02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:15.159 It's the same for any intelligence agency. 2353 02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:17.359 And of course you would have double agents. Right. 2354 02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:19.880 You got somebody who is a high level spy over here, 2355 02:09:20.479 --> 02:09:22.039 so they're already good at the spycraft. 2356 02:09:22.600 --> 02:09:24.479 I wonder if we could throw a little money their 2357 02:09:24.520 --> 02:09:25.600 way to make them go this way. 2358 02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:29.840 However, it's different with the Cambridge five because they weren't 2359 02:09:30.159 --> 02:09:32.680 being paid for their work. 2360 02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:35.199 No, this is just SI ideology, and those are the 2361 02:09:35.359 --> 02:09:36.319 more dangerous ones. 2362 02:09:36.359 --> 02:09:39.680 I feel like, yes, they were doing this because they 2363 02:09:39.720 --> 02:09:42.479 were true red. I was gonna say, true blue, no, no, no, 2364 02:09:42.640 --> 02:09:46.920 true red believers of the communist ideals, and they wanted 2365 02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:53.000 to see a communist revolution across the world. You're absolutely correct. 2366 02:09:53.239 --> 02:09:55.920 An ideal is so much harder to get rid of 2367 02:09:56.079 --> 02:09:59.479 and so much harder to detect. And if you're curious, like, well, 2368 02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:02.079 how are they able to keep it under wraps? For 2369 02:10:02.359 --> 02:10:05.680 twenty fucking years? These guys were able to hide the 2370 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:07.960 fact that they were actually communists. 2371 02:10:08.680 --> 02:10:09.439 This has been done. 2372 02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:12.399 Yeah, for years, it's still being done right now. 2373 02:10:12.600 --> 02:10:15.279 I mean it's look at our look at our government, Like, 2374 02:10:15.359 --> 02:10:18.279 let's take away everybody else's government. Look at our government 2375 02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:20.800 right now, yep. And the people that are in play 2376 02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:24.479 and the things that are in motion and what they're doing. 2377 02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:27.960 And it's like, so we're not gonna call it for 2378 02:10:28.079 --> 02:10:30.279 what we what it is, and we're not gonna maybe 2379 02:10:30.760 --> 02:10:33.520 call it the behavior and some of the radical things 2380 02:10:33.560 --> 02:10:36.239 that you're discussing and the things that you're saying that 2381 02:10:36.439 --> 02:10:41.920 is anti American, anti American people, let's be more more specific, 2382 02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:47.359 anti American people. Yeah, and you're just able to somehow 2383 02:10:47.479 --> 02:10:50.680 hold a position of power and you're not being held 2384 02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:53.159 accountable and you're not being investigated and you're not being 2385 02:10:53.199 --> 02:10:55.760 looked into for having spy connections. 2386 02:10:55.800 --> 02:10:57.119 I mean the Hunter Biden. 2387 02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:00.239 Situation too, look at all of what they did and 2388 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:04.000 it's known fact and there's been so many people that 2389 02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:05.920 have come out, so much evidence that have come out, 2390 02:11:06.439 --> 02:11:10.279 and nothing happened. And you know, by the way, Hunter 2391 02:11:10.399 --> 02:11:13.439 trying to fight Trump's kids is a whole thing that's 2392 02:11:13.479 --> 02:11:17.920 going on right now. I don't know, no, like actually 2393 02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:20.319 like a cage fight, I will share, I will show 2394 02:11:20.319 --> 02:11:20.880 you the video. 2395 02:11:21.640 --> 02:11:24.079 I will show you the video for tonight for the live. 2396 02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:26.640 But yeah, no, it's it's a real thing that's going on. 2397 02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:30.039 But I would pay good money. I mean I would, 2398 02:11:30.720 --> 02:11:33.600 I would pay good money to watch Eric Trump. 2399 02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:40.439 Mm hmmm. I think I think you called that baron. Honestly, 2400 02:11:40.520 --> 02:11:42.520 I think I forget you call it two of them. Yeah, 2401 02:11:42.600 --> 02:11:45.960 old boy kid, big old boy that he is like. 2402 02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:51.520 Massive, that dude. If he puts his palls on meteor, it's. 2403 02:11:51.439 --> 02:11:55.640 Like the whole head Like yeah, so my god, that's 2404 02:11:55.680 --> 02:11:56.479 a side little note. 2405 02:11:56.560 --> 02:11:57.279 But I forgot that. 2406 02:11:57.439 --> 02:11:58.840 I didn't tell you about it. The other day, some 2407 02:11:58.960 --> 02:12:00.720 one of the colmen, remember, sent it to us and 2408 02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:03.840 I looked into it. No, it's actually and like multiple 2409 02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:06.000 cult members sent it to us. But we'll have to 2410 02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:08.760 talk about it tonight the life. Yeah. But yeah, no, 2411 02:12:08.920 --> 02:12:11.000 I mean when we're talking about stuff like this, so 2412 02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:13.960 that it has already been taking place for a long time. 2413 02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:16.399 I mean, spy has been around though, forever and ever 2414 02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:19.840 and ever, right, But to not acknowledge that these things 2415 02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:24.399 are happening though it's it just sews more distrust into 2416 02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:27.720 the governments and the agencies and stuff. Because it's like, okay, 2417 02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:30.560 so you're covering up everything. You should be putting these 2418 02:12:30.560 --> 02:12:30.960 people on. 2419 02:12:31.079 --> 02:12:34.159 Blasts so that we know, you know, at least at 2420 02:12:34.239 --> 02:12:37.039 least know that this is happening and know what potentially 2421 02:12:37.840 --> 02:12:39.119 is going to come from it. 2422 02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:40.520 So yeah, I don't know. 2423 02:12:40.600 --> 02:12:41.560 That's what my opinion on it. 2424 02:12:41.960 --> 02:12:45.359 Not agree. But this is why I thought it was 2425 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:48.119 interesting to bring this up. A not a lot of 2426 02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:48.880 people know about it. 2427 02:12:49.159 --> 02:12:54.439 B it is inherently conspiratorial. See, it covers a very 2428 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:59.279 wild time in world history, right before World War two, 2429 02:12:59.560 --> 02:13:02.560 during war World War two, into the Cold War, all 2430 02:13:02.640 --> 02:13:07.039 these things, and it traverses the key players. 2431 02:13:06.680 --> 02:13:11.239 Here like real shit, And no, twenty ten, the one 2432 02:13:11.319 --> 02:13:15.840 dude died, right, yeah, yeah, so like what sixteen years ago. 2433 02:13:16.880 --> 02:13:18.039 That's not that long ago. 2434 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:21.800 So and they're still not releasing twenty sixteen, they still 2435 02:13:21.840 --> 02:13:23.840 weren't releasing the files to talk about it. 2436 02:13:23.960 --> 02:13:28.760 Twenty twenty they finally released all the documentation to say, hey, guys, 2437 02:13:29.359 --> 02:13:30.560 we might have fucked up a bit. 2438 02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:33.920 But again, twenty twenty was one of those times when 2439 02:13:34.359 --> 02:13:38.079 things were being removed from the Internet by mass droves, 2440 02:13:38.199 --> 02:13:41.479 and then you have other information being dropped, and then 2441 02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:44.399 people are just kind of ignoring everything that's going on 2442 02:13:44.479 --> 02:13:46.439 because everyone's just like, oh, fuck my life. 2443 02:13:47.079 --> 02:13:48.800 Not COVID instead of this whole thing. 2444 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:52.560 Yeah, yeah, no, there's a lot, and man, COVID is 2445 02:13:52.600 --> 02:13:54.680 a whole another thing that's going on right now. Still 2446 02:13:55.239 --> 02:13:58.560 fighters getting no backing, and it's a whole bunch of stuff. 2447 02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:01.039 But like, all of this still pertain to what we 2448 02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:04.039 are doing right now. And then globally it pertains because 2449 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:08.520 then we have a lot of governments across the world 2450 02:14:08.640 --> 02:14:12.199 that are being infiltrated and potentially we could call them. 2451 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:16.239 By spies or you know, ideologic radicalists. 2452 02:14:16.680 --> 02:14:20.880 So it's it all pertains and it's all still conspiracy 2453 02:14:21.000 --> 02:14:23.640 quote unquote, even though we can all see the patterns. 2454 02:14:23.720 --> 02:14:25.960 So and I agree with you, and this is why 2455 02:14:26.079 --> 02:14:31.079 I also find it's so terrifying how our universities operate 2456 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:34.359 today and how these college kids are still being indoctrinated 2457 02:14:34.399 --> 02:14:39.239 with these crazy ideals that don't make sense. Like, no 2458 02:14:39.479 --> 02:14:43.439 logical person really believes this, No grown up believe well, 2459 02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:47.439 I should say no normal logical grown up believes that 2460 02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:51.000 there's more than two genders, right, They don't believe in 2461 02:14:51.720 --> 02:14:54.079 the amazing amount of rhetoric that's coming out of this. 2462 02:14:54.199 --> 02:14:56.079 Have you ever looked at these interviews with the people 2463 02:14:56.119 --> 02:14:57.399 that are at the No Kings protests? 2464 02:14:58.279 --> 02:15:00.199 Yes, I've watched many, many of them. 2465 02:15:00.439 --> 02:15:04.640 They don't actually have and listen. Listen. Whether I agree 2466 02:15:04.720 --> 02:15:06.279 with the ideology or not. Whatever. 2467 02:15:06.359 --> 02:15:09.239 If you're protesting for something that you are well versed in, 2468 02:15:09.359 --> 02:15:11.079 you know what the fuck you're talking about, and you 2469 02:15:11.239 --> 02:15:14.119 want to stand in Unison and make a march happen, Okay, 2470 02:15:14.399 --> 02:15:17.439 that is your right as an American citizen. Fuck yeah again, 2471 02:15:17.479 --> 02:15:20.960 I might disagree with you, but okay, none of these 2472 02:15:21.039 --> 02:15:26.520 people at the No King's protest have like collectively two 2473 02:15:26.640 --> 02:15:27.760 brain cells to rub together. 2474 02:15:29.199 --> 02:15:29.880 It's my again. 2475 02:15:30.439 --> 02:15:32.520 It goes back to what I was saying earlier, the 2476 02:15:33.479 --> 02:15:38.039 rhetoric on repeat of what the same language over and 2477 02:15:38.159 --> 02:15:41.399 over and over again, as the regurgitation of it is 2478 02:15:41.520 --> 02:15:45.439 what a lot of people that go to different types 2479 02:15:45.479 --> 02:15:47.800 of protests, but specifically the ones that we've been seeing, 2480 02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:51.119 a lot of people are saying the same thing over 2481 02:15:51.159 --> 02:15:54.640 and over. What the media shows them, what the algorithms 2482 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:56.960 are showing them, what they heard from their professors that 2483 02:15:57.039 --> 02:15:59.840 are biased, the textbooks in which that they say this 2484 02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:02.039 same things over and over again. I mean, I have 2485 02:16:02.199 --> 02:16:05.840 textbooks here. There's a book here I actually have that 2486 02:16:06.199 --> 02:16:10.920 was that I was told to read in school. And 2487 02:16:11.079 --> 02:16:17.560 it is the most propaganda crazy Redderick book that I've 2488 02:16:17.640 --> 02:16:21.439 ever read in my life. And this was written well passed, like, 2489 02:16:21.520 --> 02:16:24.520 this was written in the early nineteen ten nineteen twenty area, 2490 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:28.560 and then it was adopted and indoctrinated pretty much in 2491 02:16:28.600 --> 02:16:32.360 the nineteen sixties, and then it's been being quietly pushed 2492 02:16:32.440 --> 02:16:35.360 into all of these areas and it is very and 2493 02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:38.200 I'm not going to go into what it actually talks about, 2494 02:16:38.200 --> 02:16:41.760 because that's a whole other beast, but what it talks 2495 02:16:41.760 --> 02:16:45.959 about is something that is you see consistently on mainstream 2496 02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:49.600 media and the leftist conversation and a lot of the 2497 02:16:50.239 --> 02:16:53.479 division talk and the hatred and all of these things. 2498 02:16:54.159 --> 02:16:58.079 And it stems from these types of books that made 2499 02:16:58.120 --> 02:17:03.079 their way into this and that now have been being 2500 02:17:03.239 --> 02:17:07.040 used for you know, decades pretty much. And now we're 2501 02:17:07.079 --> 02:17:10.479 to the point where these children are getting the same 2502 02:17:10.559 --> 02:17:13.920 crap on over and over repeat, and this is going 2503 02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:17.440 to play into their ideology and how they view the world, 2504 02:17:17.520 --> 02:17:19.920 and so like, yeah, we don't need cursive, we don't 2505 02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:20.520 need this we. 2506 02:17:20.520 --> 02:17:21.799 Don't need to learn the independence. 2507 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:24.399 We don't we don't need this we you know, I 2508 02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:27.319 believe you know, Trump is the devil in an Antichrist, 2509 02:17:27.360 --> 02:17:29.040 which I will say some of his posts are definitely 2510 02:17:29.079 --> 02:17:33.159 pointing towards like ANTICHRISTI vibes. But he is he is 2511 02:17:33.200 --> 02:17:35.040 a whole beast in and of himself, that is a 2512 02:17:35.200 --> 02:17:37.399 shit human being that should be held accountable for a 2513 02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:41.000 lot of things. That being said, though, like we still 2514 02:17:41.360 --> 02:17:43.520 were not looking at all the key players in this, 2515 02:17:43.680 --> 02:17:46.760 We're just looking at specific ones instead of all. Every 2516 02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:49.719 state has our own players, and every state is doing 2517 02:17:49.760 --> 02:17:53.239 their own things that are all adding to the collective 2518 02:17:53.360 --> 02:17:57.159 of taking away Americans' rights. So doesn't matter if it's 2519 02:17:57.200 --> 02:18:00.159 right or left. Both sides are doing this. But the 2520 02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:04.079 children aren't recognizing that they're being brainwashed and they don't 2521 02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:05.000 want to wake up. 2522 02:18:05.680 --> 02:18:09.079 So one hundred percent, and to that point, everybody thinks that, 2523 02:18:09.399 --> 02:18:11.639 you know, Obama was the one that was doing horrible things. 2524 02:18:11.680 --> 02:18:13.639 Everybody thinks Bush was the one that was doing horrible things. 2525 02:18:14.440 --> 02:18:18.159 Keep in mind, y'all, the Patriot Act, where the government 2526 02:18:18.239 --> 02:18:20.319 got permissioned to spy on all of us at any 2527 02:18:20.360 --> 02:18:24.200 given time for no reason whatsoever was passed under Bush, 2528 02:18:24.959 --> 02:18:27.639 So that was the right doing this shit. Then you 2529 02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:30.399 look at the amount of rhetoric and foolishness that was 2530 02:18:30.479 --> 02:18:34.760 passed under Obama and the clumsy, ham fisted way that 2531 02:18:34.799 --> 02:18:37.440 they handled any of their intelligence, and the whole thing there, 2532 02:18:37.600 --> 02:18:40.440 and the social media game and the news and how 2533 02:18:40.479 --> 02:18:43.079 things are portrayed. So it was a propaganda on the 2534 02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:46.639 left and a control and spying on the right. We 2535 02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:50.200 are getting double fisted by our political system right now. 2536 02:18:50.239 --> 02:18:52.760 It does not matter what side of the aisle, what color, 2537 02:18:52.879 --> 02:18:54.120 which letter designation. 2538 02:18:54.639 --> 02:18:56.639 Well, the size for a low taxes, this size for 2539 02:18:56.719 --> 02:19:00.239 eut of taxes, You're getting fucked either way. It's not 2540 02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:03.520 even a hypothetical, that is a mathematical fact at this point. 2541 02:19:03.559 --> 02:19:05.159 And I would argue it's been that way for a while, 2542 02:19:05.239 --> 02:19:07.520 but we now know this for a fact and we 2543 02:19:07.600 --> 02:19:09.079 can cite our sources on it. 2544 02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.600 If that makes sense. Yeah, I agree. 2545 02:19:12.440 --> 02:19:16.360 So anyway, and this all ties in with an episode 2546 02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:18.920 that we did a while back on the Peristorca deception, 2547 02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:21.319 which is when communist. 2548 02:19:20.920 --> 02:19:23.760 Ideals made their way into America in media. 2549 02:19:24.440 --> 02:19:28.440 Right, this goes into spy versus spy, which we've talked 2550 02:19:28.440 --> 02:19:32.239 about so many times. This goes into how our government, 2551 02:19:32.639 --> 02:19:36.000 their government, whoever they might be, whoever you just thought of, correct, 2552 02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:40.000 them too, are all connected and are all doing this 2553 02:19:40.159 --> 02:19:40.959 to each other. 2554 02:19:41.399 --> 02:19:45.520 Keep in mind, we have American spies in England right 2555 02:19:45.559 --> 02:19:49.280 now and in France in our allies. We have spies 2556 02:19:49.600 --> 02:19:52.479 inside of our allies nation right now. We also have 2557 02:19:52.559 --> 02:19:55.520 spies in our enemies nations and the same can be 2558 02:19:55.639 --> 02:19:59.079 said for them. 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But good cult members, as 2598 02:21:34.120 --> 02:21:35.479 we wrap this up, we want to hear from you 2599 02:21:36.040 --> 02:21:38.319 all this spy network, all of the things that were 2600 02:21:38.360 --> 02:21:41.200 going on for years under the radar, then when it 2601 02:21:41.280 --> 02:21:44.000 was brought to light, it still got kept under wraps. 2602 02:21:44.879 --> 02:21:47.280 Where do you think the truth and lies start and 2603 02:21:47.399 --> 02:21:50.000 stop here? Where do you think our government ties into this? 2604 02:21:50.159 --> 02:21:52.760 What do our British listeners think about this? We want 2605 02:21:52.799 --> 02:21:54.360 to hear from you, good cult members in the best 2606 02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:56.959 place to let us know what be too. 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