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<v Speaker 1>A case that, at first glance, seems to be inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by the horror franchise Saw One that would also inspire

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<v Speaker 1>another Hollywood movie that would star Jesse Eisenberg and Danny McBride.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might be thinking that a case that has

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of movie industry connection surely would have a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and wild story. Well you'd be right. Today we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a man who lived his last minutes with

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb strapped to his body while surrounded by police.

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<v Speaker 1>A man who is in the middle of a scavenger

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<v Speaker 1>hunt to save his own life as the seconds ticked by.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we talk about a man whose death has people

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<v Speaker 1>sitting behind bars, yet his case is still a mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of Brian Wells. My name's Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nicole, and this is wicked and grim.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material in more mature audience listener disction

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<v Speaker 1>is how's it going?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you guys like our new intro? We changed it

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<v Speaker 1>up just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>We tweaked it ever so slightly.

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<v Speaker 1>We thought it might flow a little better, be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, uh, a little bit I don't know, more

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<v Speaker 1>professional sounding, I don't know, what do.

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<v Speaker 2>You think We're a pretty professional.

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<v Speaker 1>We're total pros as we sit here and drinking our

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<v Speaker 1>rumen eggnog.

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<v Speaker 2>Maser in our tiny home. There you go, life.

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<v Speaker 1>We hope you guys are having the good holiday spirit

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<v Speaker 1>finally catching up with you. It is officially October, so

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<v Speaker 1>October wow, wow, Wow, it is December.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, you're in Ben's still living in Halloween left.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Halloween. Okay, wow, that's that just hit me

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<v Speaker 1>like a ton of bricks. Okay, clearly we know her mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My mind's that I prefer Halloween than Christmas. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is December. Christmas is coming around the corner. Hopefully you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the holiday spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty it's kind of almost hard not to, but

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<v Speaker 2>it also gonna be annoying. I mean I was even

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<v Speaker 2>just grocery shopping and everywhere just just has Halloween or

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<v Speaker 2>fucks music playing right.

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween on the brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everywhere you go, so they just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>shove it, shove it down your throat. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, I don't get me wrong, I do

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy Christmas. It's not by any means my favorite holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, you know, getting together and seeing family members

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff. But the whole consumers and part

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<v Speaker 1>fucking hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's year. It gets a little worse in that sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel, Yeah, it's just by the by this, by this,

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<v Speaker 2>by this, no, and how much you spend is important

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<v Speaker 2>and everything when really like if you just made someone

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<v Speaker 2>say Christmas race, Rispy Squares or something that should be

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<v Speaker 2>enough totally yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if you sat down altogether and listened to a

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<v Speaker 1>true crime podcast on Christmas Day even better? Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the true meaning of Christmas. Yeah, we got

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<v Speaker 1>we got some patrons to thank, as you always do.

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<v Speaker 1>So this past week we had Sophia Smith join us

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<v Speaker 1>over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>We had Eli thank you for messaging us and telling

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<v Speaker 1>us how to pronounce your name totally would have got

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<v Speaker 1>it wrong. And Heather Nonya join us awesome. So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for joining us over on Patreon. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to join us as well, link is in

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<v Speaker 1>the description. If not, it's cool just being here regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Rock We've got some bombs to drop this week, two

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<v Speaker 1>big bombs.

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<v Speaker 2>Two big bombs per USU.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, the Boy in the Box.

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<v Speaker 2>The Boy in the Box.

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<v Speaker 1>Has finally being identified, though they haven't released the identification

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they will.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe they're going to. Oh really, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just such new information. There's things to go

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<v Speaker 1>through and stuff, of course, so they haven't released the

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<v Speaker 1>name yet. But finally the boy in the box has

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<v Speaker 2>Because how many years is that? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like the sixties or something, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember, but it was. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty years, but it must have been longer then.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's been a while. I'm pretty sure it

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<v Speaker 1>was in the sixties. Oh, fifties fifty seven? Woween fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that's interesting because people think, oh, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>this many years ago, I want to get away with whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they're always they always still have these cases

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<v Speaker 2>kind of on the back burner where they're probably looking

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<v Speaker 2>or have one person or two people assigned to them, right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of times in these sort of cases, they're retired

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<v Speaker 1>individuals who are just still chugging away, who haven't given up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, which is so cool, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah. They have also said that charges can still

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<v Speaker 1>be filed if they have a perpetrator. So that is awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>super looking forward to that. And also in true crime news,

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<v Speaker 1>the Casey Anthony documentary has officially been released.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure was, and we watched, We watched the doozy.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a couple of things on this. First and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>we loudly and proudly did not pay any money towards

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<v Speaker 1>her in this documentary because we powerated it. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure she got absolutely zero dollars from us

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<v Speaker 1>watching watching this thing. So there, so shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>my brother in law. He said that I had to

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<v Speaker 1>actually shout him out and give him the props. Oh really, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so Darcy.

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<v Speaker 2>Along with the beer and along with the beer.

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<v Speaker 1>That I that I gave him. Yeah, so Darcy downloaded

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<v Speaker 1>it for us, my brother in law and over our

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<v Speaker 1>way and we got to watch it. So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing we're going to be unpacking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to be doing that, I think via

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<v Speaker 2>a YouTube video.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>That will we'll let y'all know when it's out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we will say this right now, we do

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<v Speaker 1>not recommend you watch it because she is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be earning money from this documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>For a fact, let's put it this way with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Peacock TV. Who ye, Yeah, they have not disclosed if

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<v Speaker 2>Not, and I just think which means she is. The

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<v Speaker 2>way it was went about, I'm sure she is. Okar oh,

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<v Speaker 1>So she is literally profiting off the death of her

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<v Speaker 1>own three year old daughter. If you want to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to her story, we did do a podcast episode on it,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can go check that out, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>not recommend you listen to or watch your documentary. We

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<v Speaker 1>will talk about it in our YouTube and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>everything on why coming soon, Because.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was just gonna say people have profited

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<v Speaker 2>from deaths and stuff, but lots of times it is

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<v Speaker 1>And not to say that like I'm not going maybe she.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, hopefully, but i't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not going to say like we are are

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<v Speaker 1>holier than thou because we do earn revenue from this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We technically are earning from this these stories as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the case, But we didn't kill our

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it for money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, well, well we'll be chatting more about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It will it needs more than just in the intro

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to have at least a whole episode

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<v Speaker 1>on its owns. Put it that way. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 1>will be released on our YouTube, which we will be

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<v Speaker 1>letting you guys know when it's released. Absolutely, so all

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<v Speaker 1>that news and goodness and not so goodness aside. Are

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the story of Brian Wells. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you know about the story of Brian Wells? Tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit? Because you told me some things and now I'm like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>was I not listening? I white kind of remember some

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<v Speaker 2>things that you said? But then now I'm like, is

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<v Speaker 2>that what? I always have too many cases in my

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<v Speaker 2>head at once, but something to do about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just read the intro to you. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you forget it all already.

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<v Speaker 2>A bank robbery, Well, yes, someone was forced to do it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a bank robbery that occurs, Yes, there's an individual

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<v Speaker 1>with a bomb strapped to them. Yes, this case. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people argue there's actually a whole documentary that that claims

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<v Speaker 1>that it potentially was inspired by the movie Saw, the

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<v Speaker 1>franchise movie Saw, where you know, Jigsaw puts people in

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've watched that.

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<v Speaker 1>You've never seen Saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Geez, you gotta watch that. But anyway, some argue this

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<v Speaker 1>or Sauce series inspired these events. Really now, factually this

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<v Speaker 1>inspired the movie Thirty Minutes or Less.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, also, haven't watched that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Hollywood blockbuster movie that's a comedy starring Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Eisenberg and Danny McBride where Jesse Eisenberg, a pizza delivery man,

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<v Speaker 1>gets a bomb forcefully strapped upon him and he has

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<v Speaker 1>to follow certain steps and everything otherwise he will blow

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<v Speaker 1>up and die. And to follow these steps bombs removed,

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<v Speaker 1>and Danny McBride is the one who straps it to them.

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<v Speaker 1>You go through their antics in the movie. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>that case, or say that movie was inspired by this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so shitty, that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>All that being said, let's get into the meat and potatoes,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So on August twenty eighth, two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>a man with a cane casually strolled into a P

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<v Speaker 1>and Z bank in Erie, Pennsylvania. He patiently waited for

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<v Speaker 1>his turn to speak with the bank teller, and he

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<v Speaker 1>walked up to the counter. The teller saw a middle

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<v Speaker 1>aged man, white man standing in front of her with

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't exactly abnormal. White envelopes and envelopes of any

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<v Speaker 1>shape and size and color get passed to the bank

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<v Speaker 1>teller on a regular basis, often containing cash or checks

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<v Speaker 1>that need to be deposited. However, when the woman behind

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<v Speaker 1>the counter opened the envelope, there was instead a letter

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<v Speaker 1>inside that had many pages, but a highlighted section that read, now,

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<v Speaker 1>gather employees with access codes and work fast to fill

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<v Speaker 1>the bag with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You

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<v Speaker 1>have only fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, that's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good chunk of change.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't mind earning two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>No, but in a better way, I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope, So I would hope so maybe in a lottery

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the bank teller read the letter in shock

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<v Speaker 1>and confusion. She looked back at the man, who nods

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<v Speaker 1>obvious there had been something under his shirt this entire time,

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<v Speaker 1>Underneath the man's shirt was a metal box a fixed

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what does she do?

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<v Speaker 1>That?

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<v Speaker 2>Right there? Is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, sir, Yeah, get your money on peeing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just scary.

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<v Speaker 1>But what would you do? I'm sure there's procedures, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure there is. I mean you'd have to go to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you have the ability to just go

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta find my manager. I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but you wouldn't have I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>person would have the authority to ever withdraw two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty grand.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I see where you go, and I see where

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<v Speaker 2>She would need someone in more of an authority figure

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<v Speaker 2>at the bank. I see right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, to answer that question, let's continue on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the letter also contained information regarding the bomb the

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<v Speaker 1>shotgun the man was holding, which was also disguised as

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<v Speaker 2>Oh seriously, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also contained information to not contact the police

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<v Speaker 1>or it would of course not end well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So the woman looked.

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<v Speaker 1>At the man, looked back down at the letter in

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<v Speaker 1>comply with his demands because, like you said, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the authority. So the bank manager, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>only one with an access code to the vault, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>currently on.

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<v Speaker 2>Site, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And wasn't due back for about an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yeah, okay, that is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yeah, yeah, So this bank teller quickly told

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<v Speaker 1>another teller to go find Aubrey and then quickly came

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<v Speaker 1>to a compromise with the man who was giving her,

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<v Speaker 1>who was at the teller. The compromise was, sorry, the

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<v Speaker 1>compromise was to give him all the cash available in

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<v Speaker 1>her till, as well as the rest of the tills,

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<v Speaker 1>because anything else just wasn't possible exactly. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like it wasn't immediately, like she's like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just give you this cash, and he's like okay. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they did come to a compromise rather quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>and I dosuing it.

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<v Speaker 2>They would all be assuming he's the bad guy, right

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of the bomb being strapped to him. You would

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<v Speaker 2>think he's the one with this demands right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he is the one with the demands right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but you'd kind of question why he'd have

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<v Speaker 2>a bomb on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I did tell you earlier that there's an individual.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you there's going to be an explosion, there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be someone who's forced in the situations. But I

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<v Speaker 1>never have yet said anything about this man if he

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<v Speaker 1>is the man. So you're jumping a little bit ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, but I'm also just thinking that that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't make sense if you're robbing a bank, You're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be putting a bomb on yourself. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just curious if those people would realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't he put a bomb on himself? Why would

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<v Speaker 1>you to get leverage over the bank.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then you're just putting your own life at

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<v Speaker 2>risk there.

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<v Speaker 1>You're questioning way too many things, way too soon. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, shit, Okay, I'll buckle up here. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you are way too far ahead and have not

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<v Speaker 1>near enough in I have.

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<v Speaker 2>No idea what's going on on, no clue.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like still on the tarmac of the airplane and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to release your parachute.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that would actually be me pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, regardless, they came to a compromise, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to start giving him the bank out of the till. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The other employees at the bank looked up when they

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<v Speaker 1>heard this, and some of them whispered something back to

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<v Speaker 1>other people, and they started walking some other individuals out

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<v Speaker 1>the front of the bank, nice and calmly and slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>Good call.

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<v Speaker 1>So, once she had emptied her till, they were working

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<v Speaker 1>on emptying all the remaining tills until a canvas bag

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<v Speaker 1>the man was holding held everything that was available, which

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<v Speaker 1>was approximately eight thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a far cris two hundred and fifty grand. So

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time the man had a very calm demeanor

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<v Speaker 1>about him, and once the transaction was done, this was

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<v Speaker 1>further shown as he grabs a complimentary lollipop from the

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<v Speaker 1>character with the bank, unwraps it and starts eat it

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<v Speaker 1>before he walks out the front door.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of love that. Wow, Okay, like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like this, any of this, but the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>just like gets a lollipop, you know, gets as an

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<v Speaker 2>adult lollipop guild.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, now, I'm just I love that. As he was

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<v Speaker 1>chouned down on the lollipop and walked out the front door,

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<v Speaker 1>he drove in his He got in his car and drove.

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<v Speaker 2>Away, okay, with the eight grand.

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<v Speaker 1>With the eight grand. It was only after he left

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<v Speaker 1>the premises the staff contacted authorities about the robbery. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>it is noted that there was no employee at the

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<v Speaker 1>bank called Aubrey. This was actually a code word that

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<v Speaker 1>the bank tellers used that they could inform each other

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<v Speaker 1>that they were being robbed without being too obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is so.

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<v Speaker 1>It was only a short while later that authorities managed

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<v Speaker 1>to track the man down near a McDonald's and pulled

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<v Speaker 1>him over and arrested him for robbing the bank. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where things took an unexpected turn. The manning question

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<v Speaker 1>was forty six year old Brian Wells, and according to

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family, Brian Douglas Wells was a man with

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<v Speaker 1>just like anyone else, just a normal guy. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a forty six year old pizza delivery man who lived

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<v Speaker 1>alone in his apartment with his three cats. He was

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<v Speaker 1>known to be a fantastic employee where he worked. He

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<v Speaker 1>never phoned in sick and had only ever called in

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<v Speaker 1>to work late once in ten years. Wow, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did this because his cat had died. His cat had died.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's actually incredibly impressive. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anyone else in the whole world would have that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of track, I don't think, So that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Brian also loved puzzles. He waited anxiously every year

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<v Speaker 1>for a local scavenger hunt contest, one that would have

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<v Speaker 1>people searching the city for hidden keys, and clues that

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually lead to opening a box at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the scavenger hunt that would have a cash prize

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, Okay, this guy sounds as peer as they come.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not as, he's not pure, let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>He did have himself involved with some sex workers, so

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say pure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he was a very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy, though, let's put it that way. Okay, pure might

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<v Speaker 1>not be the proper word.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, the last few lines of description made him

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<v Speaker 2>say peer. But he did also just like rop a

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<v Speaker 2>bank kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he was a normal guy. He was a good guy, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now people knew him and locals would see him out

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<v Speaker 1>and about, grabbing his breakfast in the morning before heading

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<v Speaker 1>out to work. Now, on this day, while Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>at work, his shift was coming to an end. When

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<v Speaker 1>the pizza shop got an order for two pepperoni pizzas

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<v Speaker 1>around noon. It was to be delivered to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of Peach Street. Brian offered to make the delivery. His

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<v Speaker 1>shift was about to end and this would be the

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<v Speaker 1>last delivery for him for the day. But once Brian

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<v Speaker 1>made the delivery, This is when things took a turn

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<v Speaker 1>even worse. This is when Brian was next scene a

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<v Speaker 1>little while later, entering the bank with the bomb. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Brian, when he delivered the pizzas at the

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<v Speaker 1>address down the dead end dirt road, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>TV transmission station right around there. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>not really a home address.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when he arrived there to deliver the pizza, there

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<v Speaker 1>were three men waiting for him. He got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car to hand over the pizzas and was then

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<v Speaker 1>that these three men, these three black men, held them

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<v Speaker 1>up at gunpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He tried to run, but they fired warning shots and

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<v Speaker 1>prevented his escape, and they forcefully attached the bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, holy, holy crap. That's terrifying. Yeah, there are some

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<v Speaker 2>jobs that I think actually are more risky than others,

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<v Speaker 2>and like delivery kind of seems like it could be sketchy.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think delivery is kind of a dangerous fucking

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<v Speaker 1>job because you don't know the individuals you're marking into.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all delivery. And I think we've mentioned it before,

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<v Speaker 2>like realtor I think is real sketch too.

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<v Speaker 1>Realtor is real sketch.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Yeah, like you're literally just going into houses

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<v Speaker 2>and like closing the door and you have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>with who.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't have to do a background check on

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<v Speaker 1>these people and you're just in their fucking home. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like cool, this sounds like fun.

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<v Speaker 2>M m.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how I'm going to become an episode on

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Grim today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, no, thanks, yeah, but I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>every job could have some situations that could turn bad. Really, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He had this bomb fortuately put around his neck. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they then armed the bomb, handed him a list of

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<v Speaker 1>instructions and it said if Brian, and they said if

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<v Speaker 1>Brian wanted to get out of the bomb, he'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to follow the instructions, which would lead him across town

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<v Speaker 1>in a series of locations, a job that almost seemed

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<v Speaker 1>tailor made for Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I already have a question. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm allowed to ask it.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

433
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<v Speaker 2>My beginning to ahead of myself. But he was like,

434
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<v Speaker 2>I remember a descriptive word you use while he was

435
00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.119
<v Speaker 2>in the bank, and he was very like calm and chill. Yes,

436
00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:12.799
<v Speaker 2>that to me is surprising.

437
00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, yes, okay, yes, yes, yes, one hundred percent.

438
00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.880
<v Speaker 1>So Brian explained to the officers this encounter with three

439
00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.759
<v Speaker 1>men who forced him into this contraption with a bomb

440
00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:31.839
<v Speaker 1>and gave him these set of instructions that he had

441
00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:36.559
<v Speaker 1>to follow and complete or the bomb would explode. The

442
00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:41.720
<v Speaker 1>bomb was a serious issue. So at this time, officers

443
00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.599
<v Speaker 1>had him out of his vehicle, they had him in handcuffs,

444
00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and they had him sitting on the concrete in front

445
00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.440
<v Speaker 1>of a vehicle. He's in a public road, so they

446
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.880
<v Speaker 1>had to take this bomb quite seriously. But absolutely they

447
00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.119
<v Speaker 1>needed to professional They needed to have professionals come in

448
00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:56.640
<v Speaker 1>to deal with it.

449
00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Though.

450
00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>They had no other option but to have him sit

451
00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.559
<v Speaker 1>there and pavement and wait for the.

452
00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Bomb squad wait it out. Oh my goodness, and I'm

453
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.920
<v Speaker 2>sure he just chills a cucumber at that moment. Too.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Well, they couldn't. First of all, they couldn't risk anyone's safety.

455
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:16.839
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't have anyone transporting his potential bomb. They couldn't

456
00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:19.200
<v Speaker 1>even be anywhere near it. Right, So Brian was, like

457
00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, handcoff, put there and waiting for the bomb

458
00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:27.000
<v Speaker 1>squad to right. And Brian's previous calm demeanor was still lingering.

459
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:29.960
<v Speaker 1>But it was kind of growing a little bit more

460
00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.160
<v Speaker 1>anxious as time went on.

461
00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, because too, if he's caught and he's sitting there,

462
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.079
<v Speaker 2>then he's probably not following the directions of the list

463
00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that they gave him, right, yes, now.

464
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<v Speaker 1>At one point he even shouted out, and this is recorded,

465
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.559
<v Speaker 1>by the way, because there were camera crews on the scene.

466
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Local news showed up pretty quick. Jeez, he shouted out,

467
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:53.880
<v Speaker 1>why isn't anyone trying to get this thing off me?

468
00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.200
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't long after that that you could start

469
00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:04.759
<v Speaker 1>to hear a beeping sound. Oh my gosh, and that

470
00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.960
<v Speaker 1>beeping quickly began to pick up. Fate pick up. Its

471
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:14.559
<v Speaker 1>pace started beating faster and faster and faster, and civilians

472
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.640
<v Speaker 1>were looking on in the situation. News stations had their

473
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 1>cameras locked on Brian as he sat helpless on the street.

474
00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Police stood back, securing the area, and in a single instant,

475
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<v Speaker 1>all the built up tension and pressure off, a loud

476
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:40.279
<v Speaker 1>boomed in the streets. Shit now, thankfully, thankfully this well,

477
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<v Speaker 1>I'll say this first before I say the thankfully part.

478
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<v Speaker 1>As the boom went off, Brian flopped backwards onto the pavement, lifeless.

479
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<v Speaker 1>It was only about three minutes after the explosion that

480
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<v Speaker 1>the bomb squad arrived on scene.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

482
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<v Speaker 1>So the thankfully part I was going to say is

483
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<v Speaker 1>the camera crews did not capture on live TV.

484
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<v Speaker 2>That would be very good. Yeah.

485
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't look into exactly the malfunction. I'm just going

486
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to leave it at that, but apparently there was some

487
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of malfunction with the technical difficulties or something. Cameras

488
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:13.240
<v Speaker 1>were not on him at that.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Moment, because at first I was like, did he live? Like,

490
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.799
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean? But there's no way, no, he

491
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:21.799
<v Speaker 2>did not. There's no way no.

492
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So a very short while after the bomb went off.

493
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<v Speaker 1>It while it quite literally blew a hole in the

494
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.519
<v Speaker 1>side of his neck and face and leaving him to

495
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>die nearly instantly, he basically only had enough time to

496
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.279
<v Speaker 1>take like one last labored breath and bleed out.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

498
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<v Speaker 1>Is it is easy to understand that only two hours

499
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>later that this man who had a bomb strapped to

500
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<v Speaker 1>him and robbing a bank would be surrounded by officers

501
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 1>waiting for bomb squad to arrive. It's kind of understandable

502
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:54.039
<v Speaker 1>that someone who did these sort of things would be

503
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:55.480
<v Speaker 1>in this sort of situation.

504
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, but.

505
00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>The events that got him to be in this situation

506
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and were baffling to say the least. Who were these

507
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:08.079
<v Speaker 1>men that sent him on this wild goose chase? And

508
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>who else was involved in the notes that Brian claimed

509
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:13.200
<v Speaker 1>to be in possession of, who strapped the bomb to

510
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 1>his neck, who was he talking about, who did he

511
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 1>run into on the hair?

512
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<v Speaker 2>A lot of questions.

513
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>So the bomb squad, once they were ready, they moved

514
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>in on the scene to investigate further regarding the bomb

515
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 1>and Brian's lifeless body. Now, they were cautious as they

516
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't know if the bomb could go off a second

517
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>time or if there was another one on scene.

518
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I never even thought about that, but yeah, they'd

519
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 2>still have to definitely approach with caution.

520
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So after searching the car, they had a brief scare

521
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 1>thinking there was a secondary explosive on site, but it

522
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>turned out to be the homemade shotgun slash cane that

523
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.079
<v Speaker 1>was used in the robbery that was laying in the

524
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.720
<v Speaker 1>back seat. Now, along with that, they also found the

525
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.759
<v Speaker 1>notes with instructions that Brian had mentioned. The notes showed

526
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>to go from location to location and Brian would either

527
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>have to complete a task, solve a riddle, or follow

528
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the instructions to another location. If he did everything correctly,

529
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>he would eventually have all the combinations he needed to

530
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 1>unlock the bomb, take it off, and save his life.

531
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and so him getting caught by the police prevented

532
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.559
<v Speaker 2>him from doing this correct ugh.

533
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:28.920
<v Speaker 1>The first set of instructions Brian was given was detailed

534
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>a detailed plan on how to rob the bank. They

535
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.119
<v Speaker 1>also came with a warning. Brian was told that he

536
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was being watched and if at any point he strayed

537
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.039
<v Speaker 1>from the path or reached out to the authorities, then

538
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:43.799
<v Speaker 1>the people watching him would detonate the explosive. The letter

539
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>also said that if Brian tried to remove the bomb

540
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.559
<v Speaker 1>without putting in the correct combination, or if the timer

541
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>on the bomb ran out, then the bomb would go

542
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>off and kill him. The bomb was also attached to

543
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Brian's neck with a metal ring something similar to like

544
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:00.279
<v Speaker 1>a large pair of handcuffs, meaning it wasn't just something

545
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that Brian could cut his way out of.

546
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 2>H they really secured this Hey oh.

547
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Actually I didn't really talk about the engineering of

548
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the bomb, but later after investigation on it, there was

549
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of crazy engineering on this thing. More so

550
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>than just your average pipe bomb, which is relatively easy

551
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 1>to make. There was quite quite in depth, let's put

552
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 1>it that way. And there was a lot of red

553
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.559
<v Speaker 1>herrings in this as well. Basically means there was things

554
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>to distract someone who is going to try and deactivate

555
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 1>this bomb. So if bomb squad did come in, for example,

556
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I think there was a ring of liquid that ran

557
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.799
<v Speaker 1>around the collar of this bomb, a blue liquid.

558
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>That was just nothing, really, yeah, just to throw.

559
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>You off, just to throw you off.

560
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Holy. So I mean, who would have known? Even if

561
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>they did arrive, it might have taken them some time

562
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>yep to have gotten this off.

563
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

564
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Holy. I have so much going through my brain right now.

565
00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 2>But let's continue now.

566
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 1>After the bank, Brian followed the instructions and headed to

567
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a local McDonald's where he was told to look for

568
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the next set of instructions right in the flowerbed of

569
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the drive through, and there there would be a rock

570
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>with the next steps. Okay, So he found the rock

571
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and underneath it wore the instructions. From there he was

572
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>on his way to the next set of instructions, search

573
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>for part of the combination, but it was then the

574
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.319
<v Speaker 1>police caught up with him. One team of investigators decided

575
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 1>they would actually follow these instructions, so they kept on

576
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>going and they went to the next step, and sure

577
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 1>enough there was a cash with some more instructions and

578
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:39.359
<v Speaker 1>pieces to the puzzle, and of course more to head

579
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.039
<v Speaker 1>onto the next location. And when they got to another location,

580
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:48.039
<v Speaker 1>within these instructions there was in fact another cash, but

581
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a cash that was supposed to give Brian his freedom

582
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:51.279
<v Speaker 1>from the explosion.

583
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 2>But it didn't.

584
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>It didn't really the cash was empty.

585
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Holy oh my goodness. He would have gone all the

586
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>way there and and just nothing in there.

587
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, this means one of two things exactly that one

588
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:09.359
<v Speaker 1>that he could have got there and there was nothing

589
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>in there, which means the individuals who strapped this on

590
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>his neck were planning to kill Brian this entire time regardless.

591
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Or two it could have meant that there were individuals

592
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>watching and it went ahead of the police, removed clues,

593
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>or they didn't plant it because they knew police were

594
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 1>on their way. Right, Okay, So one of those two situations.

595
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I mean it, they would have been getting

596
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 2>their way late, yes, right then when they seeple would

597
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>have expected that Brian would have correct, so I kind

598
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of feel like they're probably watching potential.

599
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Another team of investigators began retracing Brian's steps that day,

600
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>looking for the address on Peach Street where he delivered

601
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the pizza and hopefully some of the men that Brian

602
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>claimed held him at gunpoint and put the bomb on him.

603
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 1>But the address on Peach Street only led them to

604
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>more questions. The address didn't actually belong to a home,

605
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, but this TV kind of transmission station,

606
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>which was in the middle of like the forest, gave

607
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>investigators nothing to work with, nothing to tie to an

608
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 1>actual location. Didn't give them a lead on any sort

609
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of group of men either. It was just a cold trail.

610
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. That's such a random I mean, gosh, I feel

611
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.759
<v Speaker 2>like if you were delivering pizza, it'd almost be like, good,

612
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to go there.

613
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, fair enough, But Brian willingly volunteered to go

614
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:32.759
<v Speaker 1>on this one too.

615
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>That's true, but he kind of seemed like he was

616
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 2>that way.

617
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, now, amazingly this case went cold, with the

618
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>only witness who could tell the investigators anything substantial also

619
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>being the deceased victim. Right, but the authorities were desperate

620
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 1>to solve this case, and they jumped at the chance

621
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to do whatever they could to answer anything, and answers

622
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 1>started popping up in the most unlikely places, starting with

623
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 1>a man named William Rostein, who would make a call

624
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>to the police to talk about a house on Peach Street,

625
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>just about a mile away from that transmission site that

626
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Brian was led to just about a month before the call.

627
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.599
<v Speaker 1>William was a high school mechanics teacher who was also

628
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>an engineer and spoke multiple languages, and the tip he

629
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 1>gave authorities had everything to do with the homicide, just

630
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>not Brian's homicide.

631
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Another homicide on Peach Street.

632
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, according to William, authorities, if they take a look,

633
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>they would find a body in a freezer in the

634
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.279
<v Speaker 1>basement of the address on Peach Street. And he knew

635
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 1>that because it was his house, his freezer.

636
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay. See that's why I'm like, what is this guy doing,

637
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>because he's like making himself look like he's up to

638
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 2>no good here.

639
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he was adamant that he had nothing to

640
00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:59.599
<v Speaker 1>do with killing said.

641
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Victim in the It's just in his fucking freezer.

642
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Basically, he was calling to report the dead body in

643
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>his own freezer.

644
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah that makes sense.

645
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just your your average police report. Yeah, nothing, nothing weird.

646
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Or I have a dead body my freezer that's been

647
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>there for I don't know how long, and I didn't

648
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>do it, but it's there.

649
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Oops. I tripped.

650
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah to get that call, i'd be like, uh

651
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>is your name Casey?

652
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit? Wow?

653
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Am I allowed to say that? Wow?

654
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Just wow?

655
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, moving on, Hey, I don't I just got to

656
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 2>defend myself. She is a liar. We everyone knows she's lies.

657
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't just make that ship.

658
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Up, does she though?

659
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was a chronic liar.

660
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows that, You're right.

661
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just defending myself.

662
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>So well. The new documentary Casey Anthony, Where the Truth Lies,

663
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 1>the Truth. Casey's trying to be telling her truth and

664
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 1>it says it right in the title, Where the Truth Lies.

665
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just need to defend myself. I don't need

666
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 2>no hate mail.

667
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>No, we don't like Casey, that's for sure. Anyway. Moving on,

668
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>William said that the body was in his freezer because

669
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 1>he was only helping his ex fiance Marjorie dial Armstrong.

670
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>She was helping her out after she killed her then boyfriend,

671
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.559
<v Speaker 1>good God, James Rodent, and needed a place to store

672
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>his body.

673
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Huh, that doesn't make any sense to me.

674
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, William had agreed to let her use his freezer

675
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>for the price of seventy thousand dollars.

676
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, that makes more sense, yep.

677
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 1>But he had drawn the line when Marjorie had asked

678
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.920
<v Speaker 1>him to put James's body in an ice grinder. That's

679
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 1>when he decided to call the police.

680
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh.

681
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 1>So the police arrested Marjorie right after this tip, and

682
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>William went on to tell the authorities that he's been

683
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>feeling incredibly guilty for his part in covering up James's

684
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 1>murder and had even at one point been thinking about

685
00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 1>committing suicide.

686
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a lot like it is. He could

687
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>go to jail for that, easy.

688
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, an accessory to murder, right. Yeah. Investigators searched his property,

689
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>finding James and the freezer just as he was described. However,

690
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 1>they also found William's suicide note that he wrote during

691
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 1>that period when he was thinking of taking his own life. Okay,

692
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>but what really grabbed their attention, aside from the frozen body,

693
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of course, was that the opening line of his suicide

694
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>note read this has nothing to do with the Wells

695
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 1>case aka Brian Wells.

696
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Should have shredded that note buddy. Yeah, that's pretty incriminating

697
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>right there, it is.

698
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Why would you just like, there's no lines drawing between

699
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>these two.

700
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no one would think that there ever had anything

701
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 2>to do with each other.

702
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>The only line that police could draw is Peach Street

703
00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the proximity sough. Yeah, it's kind of a line that

704
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>started growing more interesting when all the coincidences really started

705
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>piling up, and the more they looked into it.

706
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>This Peach Street's up to no good.

707
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not very Peachy's put that way.

708
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that was a bad time. You can drink of water,

709
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 2>not at all.

710
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Brian had been called to an address on

711
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Peach Street where he was allegedly fitted with a bomb,

712
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 1>just like we had discussed. Over a month later, a

713
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>man had been discovered in a suicide suicidal mechanics house

714
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 1>on Peach Street who had claimed that he had nothing

715
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 1>to do with Brian's case. It just doesn't seem to fit, Like,

716
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? This is a little too coincidental. Now,

717
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>perhaps William had a lot more to do with this coincidence.

718
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because I just did a light bomb go on?

719
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>What's that?

720
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, because this guy was like an engineer kind of person, right,

721
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right, Yeah, I just did the light bulb

722
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>go off. Here.

723
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>He was a mechanic and an engineer who could speak

724
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>multiple languages with the now and the tools at home

725
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to maybe, I don't know, create a bomb like the

726
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>one Brian was wearing.

727
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he's smart dude, I'm assuming, and that bomb

728
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>seemed like it was thought through and made in a

729
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>way that would throw people off and such.

730
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, he's a very smart dude, and it would

731
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 1>take a very smart dude to make said bomb.

732
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Thank God, you're looking at me right now.

733
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of you for thinking of that. You caught

734
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>on like perfectly.

735
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Did you see my light bomb?

736
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>They did?

737
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>It was it was a pretty big dang right there.

738
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because where I'm sitting right now, there's actually

739
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.639
<v Speaker 1>a light bulb sitting over your head. So it works out.

740
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Now.

741
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>The question is, though, what about Marjorie? If she could

742
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>just get William to hide James's body, would be much

743
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>of a stretch to think that she could ask him

744
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to build a bomb too.

745
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like she's the one behind this. Maybe, yeah, but

746
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>how stupid you have to be? Like, why is he

747
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>helping his ax so much? I mean the seventy g's

748
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess you mentioned. Yeah, but he's a smart duty

749
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you're making us own money.

750
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>True. Now, As for Marjorie, she lived in Squalor, and

751
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>she had a long history of mental illness, including bipolar disorder.

752
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Not to mention, James wasn't the first boyfriend she'd actually

753
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>gotten rid of in a hurry either.

754
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

755
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>She'd actually shot and killed one of her previous boyfriends,

756
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>but he claimed to be the victim of domestic violence

757
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 1>and wasn't charged with anything. She was actually acquitted of

758
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 1>murder after her boyfriend was found laying on the couch

759
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>shot six times.

760
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, that does not seem like something you get

761
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 2>away with.

762
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I understand if it isn't self defense.

763
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I totally get that. I'm not gonna sit here and

764
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>argue that you shouldn't defend yourself.

765
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, but I mean someone just laying on the

766
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 2>couch shot six that many times? Shot?

767
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little suspicious. Now, Her husband and several other

768
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>people in her social circle also died under suspicious circumstances,

769
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 1>but Marjorie somehow managed to keep ahead of authorities and

770
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>get away with people dropping dead around her like flies.

771
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.840
<v Speaker 1>That is, of course, until William made this call to authorities.

772
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>But even if Marjorie was a serial killer, why would

773
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>she want to kill Brian And what was her motive

774
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 1>to rob a bank? Well, Marjorie's father had quite a

775
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 1>bit of money, and Marjorie was planning on of course,

776
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 1>inheriting it, right, but she couldn't do that if her

777
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>father had blown all his money on his own.

778
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Though before he died, is that what he was doing?

779
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, Marjorie's a sure seemed to think it was going

780
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to happen. Marjorie went back to her tried and true

781
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>solution and planned to kill her father.

782
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this woman seems horrid.

783
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>She's not pleasant. Let's put it out yeah now, to

784
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 1>do this, she didn't want to be caught up in

785
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>any sort of investigation this time. She's had some close

786
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>calls in the past, right, so she wants to get

787
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>away scott free. So she wanted to make sure that

788
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>this death wouldn't be traced back to her. This ties

789
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>into Brian Wells's death because a few months after his death,

790
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a man named Kenneth would become connected in all this

791
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and provide vital information. Now, Kenneth Barnes comes into the

792
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 1>picture as he was turned into authorities by his brother

793
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 1>in law for bragging about being a part of the heist.

794
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>When brought in for questioning, he admitted that Marjorie had

795
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 1>asked him to kill her father, but she hadn't been

796
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 1>able to pay him to do the job, so not

797
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.079
<v Speaker 1>wanting to do it for free. Of course, you don't

798
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 1>want to work for free, right, Kenneth refused to do

799
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 1>the job, and Marjorie had to find a way to

800
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 1>come up with the fee. Suddenly, Marjorie had more than

801
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>enough motive for needing to get her hands on some

802
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:53.320
<v Speaker 1>money quickly, and she was what tied these two men together,

803
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>excluding her dead boyfriend with the freezer.

804
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course, my gosh. Okay, so Kenneth is in jail.

805
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Kenneth came forward saying he was.

806
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.559
<v Speaker 2>A part, right, he was ragging about it to someone.

807
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, now he was involved, and he said that

808
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Marjorie wanted him to murder her father.

809
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, it's all making sense. Yes, sorry, it's a

810
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 2>lot there. It's kind of was a lot of process.

811
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>There is a lot of process in this case. And

812
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest right now, I have skipped some

813
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 1>information already.

814
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Holy really, if you.

815
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you exactly where you can go get all

816
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the deeds. It's a bit of a deep dive, but

817
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that at the end of this episode,

818
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 1>because it's.

819
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Almost like, how on earth could you have skip shit

820
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 2>like this is.

821
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot a lot here. There is so much

822
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to this case. It's wild. But anyways, Yeah, so Marjorie

823
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 1>needs money to pay Kenneth.

824
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 2>To do the job right, to kill her dad.

825
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 1>And how much do you think she needed to pay him?

826
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, at least two hundred and fifty two.

827
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>And fifty grand, yeah, yeah, exactly. So how much were

828
00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>we robbing? Oh, write, two hundred and fifty grand from

829
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the bank?

830
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>They should have got a little bit more, like just

831
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 2>in case you know, you needed something else something went wrong.

832
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Come on, they didn't even get eight grand.

833
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

834
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Now police began to wonder about James in the freezer

835
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 1>and why Marjorie killed him in the first place. They

836
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>wondered if she killed him, was it because he'd been

837
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>on the heist too. What if he had possibly wanted

838
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>out of the deal when he realized how serious it

839
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>was getting. Maybe he was just in it for some

840
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>money and didn't realize they planned on strapping I don't know,

841
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a live bomb to a man and killing someone.

842
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 2>That would make shit get real real quick.

843
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure. What if someone is just sitting

844
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>here thinking, oh, I can make a quick couple extra bucks,

845
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>rob a bank, no harm, no foul, and you realize

846
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you're basically involved in a murder plot.

847
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that you're now a murderer.

848
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That takes things from zero to sixty real fucking quick,

849
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>real quick, and that turns you from just like a

850
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>bank robber to a fucking douche canoe real quick like.

851
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So then he wanted out, but he knew

852
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 2>too much, so she murdered him.

853
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what the police were thinking.

854
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Makes sense.

855
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Now. They also thought what if there was something else

856
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>going on? According to another witness, Kenneth Barnes and Brian

857
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Wells knew each other quite well, and there were witnesses

858
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>at the bank that claimed Brian had been incredibly calm

859
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>for a man with a bomb attached to his chest.

860
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I thought was odd too.

861
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, chilling out with a lollipop.

862
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, you were surprised with this bomb, Like, there's

863
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 2>no way that you would be I mean, you might

864
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 2>have to kind of fake it a little bit, but

865
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 2>it would be seen, it would be noticeable that you

866
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>were uncomfortable. Ye.

867
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, even as a bomb ticked down the minutes, the

868
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 1>seconds as he sat in the middle of the street,

869
00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that beeping, Yeah, he never really got very agitated, only

870
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like kind of anxious nervous, right, Yeah, But I mean

871
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>he is in front of police, surrounded by them, right,

872
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and probably make anyone nervous regardless. So I think anyone

873
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 1>in their last absolute minutes, knowing or at least convinced

874
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>they're going to die, is probably going to be a

875
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>little more panicked. But he didn't really seem to.

876
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, would anyone in that situation know that

877
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.079
<v Speaker 2>they were that what the beeping meant necessarily?

878
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, what if you're sitting there with a bomb strapped

879
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to your chest and you have notes that says you're

880
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.519
<v Speaker 1>going to die unless you complete these things.

881
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>On a schedule, and you're not doing that.

882
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 1>And then it begins beeping.

883
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>And then beeping faster. Yeah, I would.

884
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Shit, I think you'd put two and two together.

885
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, no, I really would.

886
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>What if you're in that situation and you thought the

887
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 1>bomb was fake?

888
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh no, oh no? What like Brian thought that

889
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a real bomb.

890
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 1>What if that's what he thought?

891
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

892
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Man, what if Brian was just that easy going because

893
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>he'd actually been on the whole heist himself as well,

894
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he didn't realize his life was actually on the

895
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 1>line because the plan was to fix him with a

896
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>fake bomb.

897
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you got me there. That's gut wrenching really.

898
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So what if James figured out that they actually planned

899
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>on strapping a real bomb to Brian without him knowing?

900
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 2>But why would they.

901
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>For real effect, to really cover their tracks, to ensure

902
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that there actually is a victim, to get rid of evidence,

903
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.079
<v Speaker 1>to tie up loose ends. And what if James figured

904
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 1>this out or learned of this and couldn't have this

905
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>happen and he was going to tell Brian and James

906
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 1>was killed for it.

907
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So then there's two victims in this.

908
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So then there could be two yep. Now, witnesses saw

909
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Brian coming in and out of William's house several times

910
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.760
<v Speaker 1>in the weeks leading up to the robbery, including the

911
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 1>day before. Brian's family is very adamant that he'd have

912
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.519
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with this and that he'd be telling

913
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 1>the truth when he said that he'd been forced to

914
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>wear a bomb and rob a bank. Law enforcement, however, disagrees,

915
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 1>though they say that there are several witness reports that

916
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 1>claim that Brian had discussed parts of the plot a

917
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 1>month before. Even and Marjorie later claimed that he had

918
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>actually been a part of it as well.

919
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. I mean people can surprise you. They can family

920
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>lots of times they have no idea, Yeah, no idea.

921
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You may think someone is one way or you have

922
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>it in their head that this is how they've always been.

923
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>But people can change and get into sticky situations sometimes.

924
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.639
<v Speaker 1>And it seems to fit just a little too perfect.

925
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 2>It kind of very because like, yeah, how Even said

926
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>he was pretty much off work. I mean he did

927
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 2>seem like he was slightly go good or maybe, but

928
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that he volunteered to go out there because it was

929
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 2>like all part of the plan, you know, like and

930
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 2>they did this right when he was about to get

931
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 2>to work or get off work.

932
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 1>And now an important thing I do want to discuss

933
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 1>is in his autopsy there was Well I should mention

934
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>this first. There's a very unfortunate thing with with his

935
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>autopsy that occurred with the bomb that blew up on

936
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 1>his chest. The caller was still intact around his neck.

937
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So they couldn't remove the caller without tampering with evidence

938
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>because they wanted to investigate it and like really get

939
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 1>down to the details of this bomb, right, So they

940
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>couldn't remove the caller without ruining evidence. So to get

941
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.039
<v Speaker 1>it off Brian, they actually had to remove his head

942
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in the autopsy.

943
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what I thought was You were going to say,

944
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>is very unfortunate, which is very distressing, very controversial that

945
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:01.199
<v Speaker 2>that occurred. Well, yeah, I can see that, but also

946
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like they have to figure this out. Yeah, in

947
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 2>a way, but I get it to be another way

948
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>to get it off.

949
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, the way I look at it is an autopsy,

950
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 1>like they cut you wide open. There's the whole autopsy,

951
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 1>like the why incision on your chest? We're fine with that, right,

952
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 1>So I don't understand. I mean, I do understand, but

953
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't. At the same time, it's like to get

954
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the job done. I don't see why that can't be

955
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>done as well. But I also have the respect for him,

956
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 1>and I get it, like, I see both sides.

957
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I can see both sides. Yes, I mean we're more

958
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.239
<v Speaker 2>familiar with that. We know about the cut on the chest,

959
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 2>and that's just everyone knows it's happened. So the removing

960
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 2>head is a little bit more. It's not common, right

961
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 2>at all.

962
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, but yeah, so that occurred. But in his autopsy

963
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>they found zero defensive wounds to show that he was

964
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.559
<v Speaker 1>in any sort of a struggle that he described when

965
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 1>they strap this collar to him, not in his hands,

966
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 1>not in his neck, elbow's, knees, being pinned to the ground, nothing.

967
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.639
<v Speaker 2>And if you're getting a bomb strapped to you would

968
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.880
<v Speaker 2>definitely be in the defense, that's for sure, if you

969
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 2>weren't tying on it.

970
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, arguably he was a gunpoint too, So okay,

971
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe he just hands up and just let it happen.

972
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>That is a possibility, but it is worth noting there

973
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:24.000
<v Speaker 1>were no defensive wounds found in his autopsy. Now, as

974
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 1>for hold on, where am I here? Okay? As for

975
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the others, Kenneth claimed that Marjorie was the one behind

976
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 1>it all and she was certainly the one who connected

977
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>all of the men, which is as far as facts

978
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and all that goes aside from Brian can't prove any

979
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>of that. Unfortunately, with him being passed away, he can't

980
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>really say.

981
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Much, not at all.

982
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 1>But Marjorie claimed that William was the mastermind, apparently he

983
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 1>was one behind the whole thing, and that her only

984
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.599
<v Speaker 1>part had apparently been to supply kitchen timers that.

985
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Went unto the boll Oh my gosh, she's making herself

986
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>sounds like an innocent page.

987
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Just not, She's definitely not. William only ever admitted to

988
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>helping Marjorie hide James's body, and that he had actually

989
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.599
<v Speaker 1>and he had actually later died of cancer before investigators

990
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 1>could get anything else out of him as well, which

991
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 1>really very unfortunate. That is, at this time, I believe

992
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>he was terminal during this investigation. So okay, So both

993
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Marjorie and Kenneth were charged and sentenced as co conspirators

994
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>in the whole scheme, with Kenneth receiving a little bit

995
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 1>of a lesser sentence. I believe Marjorie was around forty

996
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>years and he was twenty two and a half years,

997
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 1>and he received the lesser sentence for testifying against Marjorie.

998
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I just have to point out too, with Kenneth having

999
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 2>the terminal illness, yes, it would make sense that whatever

1000
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 2>he was saying was right because at that what point,

1001
00:49:58.400 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well.

1002
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's his name necessarily.

1003
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's his name. Still, I was like, what does

1004
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:05.760
<v Speaker 2>he have to hide? Like? But yeah, no.

1005
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>So there's a documentary out there that covers this case

1006
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and they connect it to the Saw movie, the one

1007
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>that I talked about at the beginning, and this documentary. Now,

1008
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>mind you, this is their perspective. This is the way

1009
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.079
<v Speaker 1>they paint it. This is their reenactment. This is not

1010
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 1>how it really played out. This is just their thought process.

1011
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.519
<v Speaker 1>They think of it as very much so him being

1012
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:34.519
<v Speaker 1>like Jigsaw. Now, Jigsaw is the main antagonist in Saw.

1013
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.440
<v Speaker 1>He's the one who captures people, puts him into these

1014
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 1>devices and they have to fight for their life to escape,

1015
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 1>often giving up limbs and cutting off their own leg

1016
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to escape from shackles and stuff sort of thing. Now,

1017
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Jigsaw is terminal in the movies. He's going to die anyways.

1018
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:56.920
<v Speaker 1>So he is taking people out of these situations who

1019
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 1>are taking life for granted and putting them in these

1020
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>tough situations too, essentially repent for their past history and

1021
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 1>where they're living, them where they've been living, and then

1022
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>so when they do get out, maybe minus the leg

1023
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 1>or something, now they will have a newfound respect for

1024
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.079
<v Speaker 1>the life that they have. Whereas Jigsaw, he's limited, He's

1025
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 1>going to be dying soon, right, So his perspective is also,

1026
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if please catch me. Everything dies with me,

1027
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.800
<v Speaker 1>And they say in this documentary they painted as him

1028
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>saying this, the truth dies with me, Like he's laughing

1029
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>in the face of the cops, like you're not going

1030
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:31.880
<v Speaker 1>to figure it out anyways, because I'm the mastermind pulling

1031
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:33.320
<v Speaker 1>all the strings and you're not going to get to

1032
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 1>learned shit because I'm dead.

1033
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1034
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 1>So that's a perspective this documentary talks about, huhm, which

1035
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 1>is very possible.

1036
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean, like he could still be hiding

1037
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>it in a sense too, because like I said, it's

1038
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>his name. He doesn't want like this on his name,

1039
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Like he wants to die like being known kind of

1040
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>like I'm a good person.

1041
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's so many murderers out there who don't

1042
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>like to give all the information they like to hold

1043
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 1>that power even when they die. They like to die

1044
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>knowing that they held that power.

1045
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not the first time we've heard of this.

1046
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Now, all this being said, even though there are two

1047
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>individuals behind bars being co conspirators in this, no one

1048
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:20.400
<v Speaker 1>actually knows who orchestrated the events. Law enforcement believed that

1049
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Marjorie was the actual mastermind behind all of it, and

1050
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 1>cite her many mental health issues as leading to the

1051
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>overly elaborate scheme.

1052
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, she had that motive too, she did, But was she.

1053
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Really the one to construct it? Was she the one

1054
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to really put this plan together? Was it really her?

1055
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Authorities believe so, but there's no proof to say she

1056
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>was the one who putting it all on the puppet master,

1057
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 1>if you will. Authorities also officially announced that the then

1058
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:55.559
<v Speaker 1>deceased William Rothstein Sorry and Brian Wells had both been

1059
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 1>involved in the case, and that they were named as

1060
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:02.719
<v Speaker 1>co conspirators, somehow leaving Brian Wells's legacy to the man

1061
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>who pulled off the one of the most dangerous bank

1062
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.679
<v Speaker 1>robberies of all time, being one of the strangest homicide

1063
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 1>victims to this day, so he has officially, according to

1064
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 1>authorities been named a co conspirator as well.

1065
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was like, not, I don't know. This is

1066
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Speaker 2>a weird one.

1067
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Hey it is. And there is a Netflix documentary on this.

1068
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 1>They came out in twenty eighteen. It's called Evil Genius.

1069
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't have heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got some more information on this case. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>I did mention that Brian Wells was involved with sex workers.

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<v Speaker 1>There is I believe it was a sex worker that

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<v Speaker 1>came forward. She came forward, and she was actually the

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<v Speaker 1>one who kind of she claims she got Brian involved

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<v Speaker 1>as the target of this, though she's not a very

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00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 1>good she's not a very reliable source of information. Though

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<v Speaker 1>I believe this the way they were'd it okay, but

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00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 1>she forward saying she feels bad, but she's the one

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00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>who kind of put him up for the role because

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00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of a pushover type guy and yeah, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be good to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It, and then he agreed. Probably I'm assuming from the

1083
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>money as well, but that doesn't even make sense. Everything

1084
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<v Speaker 2>so okay with just leaving after only getting like eight grand.

1085
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<v Speaker 1>Too, So everything about Brian being involved is pure speculation. However,

1086
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 1>authorities have named it official. He is an official co conspirator,

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00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 1>but there is no evidence to point motive or nothing

1088
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<v Speaker 1>along those lines.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's got me here.

1090
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.840
<v Speaker 1>This one is a big, old tangled web of what

1091
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I just had one another question here that

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<v Speaker 2>the Netflix thing. Is it just like a one episode

1094
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 2>or is it a few episodes?

1095
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>If I recall correctly, it's a docuseries.

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00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well I might have to watch that.

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00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 1>It is a good watch. There is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information on it, and you might want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you got a drink or two and some snacks ready

1100
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>because it's yeah, it's it's a ride.

1101
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 2>We got some cheesies.

1102
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 1>We got some cheesies. We got some cheesies, we got

1103
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 1>some eggnog, we got some true crime. It's a date.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for tuning into this episode. Really appreciate

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00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.159
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1110
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.320
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so yeah, well done, and until next time,

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<v Speaker 2>stay wicked.