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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is still Thor's day, and this would be

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<v Speaker 2>the second hour of the show, except I usually don't

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<v Speaker 2>do a second hour anymore. However, I got it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know why. I got Larry Hancock with me, and we

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<v Speaker 2>can't turn away an opportunity to bring on Larry Hancock,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the author of a great many books on

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<v Speaker 2>my shelf and hopefully yours too, a variety of things

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<v Speaker 2>covering geopolitics, assassinations, the behavior of the national security state,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera, from books like Nexus and Creating

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<v Speaker 2>Chaos all the way to someone would have Talked, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course the most recent and excellent Oswald Puzzle, which

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<v Speaker 2>he co authored with David boy Len. But on top

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<v Speaker 2>of that you could also find other things, curious stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>unidentified behavior of you know UFOs whoops they call him

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<v Speaker 2>UAPs now. Anyhow, all of that stuff and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more in books I recommend all of from author Larry Handcock,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can go check out his stuff at Larrydashhandcock

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<v Speaker 2>dot com or the WordPress site which I give you

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<v Speaker 2>at the in the show notes all the time whenever

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<v Speaker 2>Larry appears. Plus, I urge you to follow his blog

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<v Speaker 2>read his books, follow his blog, et cetera, and you

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<v Speaker 2>will learn, I promise you that much, and always with

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<v Speaker 2>solid information in great context. Now, before we go any further,

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<v Speaker 2>I got an email, what was it two days ago,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were putting up an archive on a website

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<v Speaker 2>that I consider to be an essential. If you're somebody

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<v Speaker 2>an essential, stop one of those things you got a

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<v Speaker 2>bookmark and make sure you have bookmarked on all your devices,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a resource and inform normative place regarding

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<v Speaker 2>the assassinations and American history in general, but especially the

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<v Speaker 2>assassinations of the sixties. And I get this notice saying

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<v Speaker 2>that we're putting up a Larry Hancock archive, which, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I hear rumors might be expanded soon, and

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<v Speaker 2>we shall see about that. But anyway, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask Larry about that, and then, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>we might tackle the world of the geopolitical feeder as

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<v Speaker 2>it is being run at the moment. But more on

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<v Speaker 2>that later. Larry, First, how are you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a pretty good check. We're having lovely weather here

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<v Speaker 3>before the fourth of July. It's unseasonably wet and green.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't really know what to make of green in Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 3>and any July. It's just not it's not normals. But

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<v Speaker 3>so it's great. Fireworks are no problem. We're looking for

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow and so so it's a good.

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<v Speaker 2>Early summer, hot and wet here in Georgia because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in that subtropical region that covers just the southeastern

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<v Speaker 2>corner of the continental US. If you notice, it's in

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<v Speaker 2>a slightly different temperate zone. And unusually this year, though, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta tell you, I'm not hearing all the fireworks outside.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't been crazy like it usually is every other year.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking people don't have money to burn, literally, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you're gonna wind up doing if you buy fireworks.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know well that the fireworks are not popping

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<v Speaker 2>off out there, because I got five little dogs and

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<v Speaker 2>they freak out. Two of them are terribly terrified, but

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<v Speaker 2>all of them bark, and you know what you hear

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<v Speaker 2>any bark and Larry, no, there's no fireworks happening outside now.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow will be the fourth and maybe we'll get some.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, enough of that. I'm glad you're doing well,

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<v Speaker 2>and you sound like you're in good spirits. But tell

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<v Speaker 2>me about this Larry Hancock archive and a few other

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<v Speaker 2>things that are going on regarding that before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into the world of geopolitics as they stand here this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are two elements to it. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>all the credit is due to Alan Dale, who really

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<v Speaker 3>does content for that website at the AARC. And Alan

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<v Speaker 3>contacted me and really kind of approached me and said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he would he would do some work. Could

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<v Speaker 3>I help him to kind of pull together things that

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<v Speaker 3>I've been interviewed about that I've blogged about on different

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<v Speaker 3>research topics that to some extent are not just the

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<v Speaker 3>political assassinations are They're they're beyond the books, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bits and pieces of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Larry, hold on just a second, because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give proper credit to Alan without embarrassing him

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<v Speaker 2>or overstating it. But Alan doesn't just provide content and

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<v Speaker 2>work on that website. Now, Alan Dale, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>is an author to and he's written a book, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's made presentations and he was my predecessor really as

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<v Speaker 2>the mc at lancer. But truthfully, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>don't know Alan does a lot of work behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes on a bunch of relevant websites. Having to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the assassinations and modern contemporary American history. You're aware

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<v Speaker 2>he does. I'm letting the listeners know this. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but Alan's a friend, so I know this.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only does he do that, but he's also had

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<v Speaker 2>the patience to slock through a lot of things with

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<v Speaker 2>John Newman, which is not an easy job when he's

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<v Speaker 2>working on his books. But Alan has made contributions very

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<v Speaker 2>quietly and very intelligently and very directly from the tech

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<v Speaker 2>side of things when it comes to what it is

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting out there now. He hasn't made any contributions

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<v Speaker 2>to my website or anything like that, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like he's touched almost anything else that is JFK related

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<v Speaker 2>out there. So I just want to make people aware

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of what's available to you outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the National Archives, Alan may have had a hand, a

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<v Speaker 2>role in, or participated in when it comes to making

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's successible to people on the internet. Just saying, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how I would want to credit Alan.

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<v Speaker 3>Alan as an enabler. He maintains a low profile. He

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<v Speaker 3>does a huge amount of work. As you said, He's

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<v Speaker 3>done a huge amount of document work for John Newman.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's he's very much you know, low key, He's

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<v Speaker 3>very objective, pragmatic, stays behind the scenes, so he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>get the credit he really deserves. And as she said,

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<v Speaker 3>he he mc to Lancer with us for years. He's

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<v Speaker 3>got a wonderful speaking voice. He's a jazz musician, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he is multi talented. You don't find that many jazz

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<v Speaker 3>musicians at the National Archives, you know, enough of you maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>but Alan stands out on his own merits.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely. I just wanted to make it clear to

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<v Speaker 2>people because Alan Dale is not necessarily the first name

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<v Speaker 2>that comes to their mind regarding, you know, who gets

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<v Speaker 2>the job done when it comes to this stuff. But also, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>full credit, he's not just a jazz musician, but a

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<v Speaker 2>talented drummer. And you know, I do say this in

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<v Speaker 2>a very nice way because he's also oddly a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine, which you know is not I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a huge circle of friends in the community. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a friend but also deserves a lot more credit

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<v Speaker 2>than he ever gets. So I just want to make sure. Sorry, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to, you know, step on what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying, but I had to throw it in there

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<v Speaker 2>because I think Alan needs more recognition than he gets.

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<v Speaker 2>But please continue about this. He wanted your help assembling

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<v Speaker 2>some things and putting together bits and pieces about what

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<v Speaker 2>you were interviewed on and what happened next well, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the things, I mean, some of the things

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<v Speaker 3>are obvious. It's it's pretty easy to come up with

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<v Speaker 3>a list of the books. Alan's done some interviews with me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so finding some of the contents okay, But he really

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<v Speaker 3>did challenge me to go back and find some of

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<v Speaker 3>the subjects that I tackle, that are that have come

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<v Speaker 3>up over the decades. You know, sometimes there are a

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<v Speaker 3>hot topic, sometimes they're not that I've done some very

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<v Speaker 3>long term research on that that you know, you would

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<v Speaker 3>have to know where to find it now, as you

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<v Speaker 3>and I both know, in this community, things are topical.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, for six months something will be just the

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<v Speaker 3>subject of discussion and then it fades away, only to

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<v Speaker 3>come back through four years later. So you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a time when Dallas eranium and oil in the

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<v Speaker 3>dal text building was you know, really really a subject

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<v Speaker 3>of focus and what was going on in the dal

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<v Speaker 3>texts and what were the mysterious connections there? And then

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<v Speaker 3>that faded away, so where do you find it? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I spent a lot of time I blogged about it,

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<v Speaker 3>so Allan kind of challenged me to go back and

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<v Speaker 3>find some of that material, which which fortunately, with what

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<v Speaker 3>remaining memory I have left, I was able to do

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<v Speaker 3>some searches and come up and we we've added that too.

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<v Speaker 3>So there there some articles and monographs and some interviews

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<v Speaker 3>that a lot of people even that know my books,

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<v Speaker 3>may not be aware of. They're also you know that

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<v Speaker 3>when a topic comes up, it's like, oh, has that

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<v Speaker 3>ever been discussed before? And you do a Google search

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<v Speaker 3>on it and you don't find much. Well, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean that the work wasn't done. So you know, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>you'll find things in this archive that you know, people

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<v Speaker 3>may be interested in that they don't even know there

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<v Speaker 3>was any research on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well preservation has been a difficult thing in the modern

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<v Speaker 2>media era, believe it or not, even though it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like it would be easier. For instance, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>total of the amount of interviews you've done a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of discussions with me over the past decade, more than

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<v Speaker 2>a decade actually, And the funny thing about it is

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of that stuff one way or another has

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<v Speaker 2>gotten knocked off of platforms, or I've been deplatformed, or

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook page has been banned or whatever. And guess what

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<v Speaker 2>the links to those things or the networks have disappeared,

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<v Speaker 2>or the archives. It's not available out there, like the

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<v Speaker 2>total interviews that you and I have done from anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>not even me because I can't afford all the storage.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I do have a partially completed Larry Hancock tab

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<v Speaker 2>for my website, but it's not complete at the moment anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Just saying, and that's a narrow focus to just think

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<v Speaker 2>about the diverse amount of current events JFK myths we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. You were on one of those episodes we did,

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<v Speaker 2>the one oh one series about the investigations we did.

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<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of different series even of topical

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<v Speaker 2>discussions that today some people can't find, don't access, if

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't save it themselves, they don't have it. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing about that this beginning to trouble me check

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<v Speaker 3>and we've chalked about this a little bit before, but

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<v Speaker 3>people are becoming increasingly rely on what I would call

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<v Speaker 3>semi intelligent search tools and of course on AI. Right

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<v Speaker 3>and I have done a number of searches lately using

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<v Speaker 3>both of those and asking questions and about material that

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<v Speaker 3>I know is out there, and I'm getting answers that

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<v Speaker 3>don't show that. And I think we really need to

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<v Speaker 3>understand how limited the training for AIS are on certain things.

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<v Speaker 3>Great in some areas, but when you start using it

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<v Speaker 3>in the social sciences, when you start using it in history,

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<v Speaker 3>you start getting answers that are quite incomplete but sound

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<v Speaker 3>like they are right right. I mean, they're very authoritative,

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<v Speaker 3>and I read them and I go, no, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>And sadly, Larry, I hate to say this to you,

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<v Speaker 2>but frankly, if you do that search from someone else's

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<v Speaker 2>computer that is not already marked and tagged and known

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<v Speaker 2>to the algorithms, you'll get different results. You know, a

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<v Speaker 2>search for you and I to do the same search

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<v Speaker 2>might come up similar because you and I might look

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<v Speaker 2>into similar topics. But if you were to go to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's computer who you know is on Etsy all day

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<v Speaker 2>what you've already fed into your algorithms that are personalized.

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<v Speaker 2>it is. And guess what. Unless people make an effort

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<v Speaker 2>relevant and archival in nature, guess what, you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get an archive. You're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>another thing. Have you looked at that, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I have, and it's certainly not complete.

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<v Speaker 2>these things, you the listener, not you Larry, in order

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<v Speaker 2>to find a true representation of what's available to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're even so interested anyway, please continue though about this,

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<v Speaker 2>do we have as an end result here? After working

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<v Speaker 2>a section over there at the organization's website now right right, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is an archive devoted to my work. And

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<v Speaker 3>because we've tried to. I've tried to go through some

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<v Speaker 3>the Billy all Celestes thing, Nobody, if you had not

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<v Speaker 3>done the research that I did a couple of decades ago,

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<v Speaker 3>never investigated. You know, there was not a government investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>There were lots of newspaper articles, so you had to

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<v Speaker 3>some of the stuff we provided him. The only place

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<v Speaker 3>that's setting is because I happen to have an interest

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<v Speaker 3>everything is. You know, it's like, Okay, I looked at

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet and it wasn't there, so I'm good, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>which is because interesting because obviously he himself had done

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<v Speaker 3>it's not out there in the world of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's okay, because that's all there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, right right, No, And I appreciate it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>The page is under Larry Let's see, it's under Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Dashhancock dot archive is Larry Handcock dash Archive. Excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>but the weblink will be right there in the show

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<v Speaker 3>Larry, I think I'm glad you brought that up, because

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<v Speaker 3>that brings up a good illustration of what we were

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<v Speaker 3>and posted a solicitation for something that's missing. And one

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<v Speaker 3>of the areas that's missing out of my research is

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<v Speaker 3>I spent months and years on certain individuals related to

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<v Speaker 3>the JFK assassination. Thomas Beckham, Fred Chrisman, both very important

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<v Speaker 3>to the Garrison investigation, Richard case Miguel very important for

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of reasons to this full story of Nagel.

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<v Speaker 3>To get the full stories of these people, Frank Sturgis,

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<v Speaker 3>I had to go way beyond what's in the documents,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, and Chrisman and Beckham. I was fortunate enough

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<v Speaker 3>several lawsuits related to their activities and Theacific Northwest, and

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<v Speaker 3>sort of thing, I mean it was amazing to me

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<v Speaker 3>that both of them had represented themselves as certified evangelical ministers.

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<v Speaker 3>And I came across Beckham who Wood was performing now

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I would never put a swastik on my file,

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<v Speaker 2>on my file or flyer or anything else. But quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually an ordained multi faith minister. You bet you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Larry I did not where do we start a file

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have one of those also. Anyway, Well they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were actually white valuable back in the sixties because you

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<v Speaker 2>Well draft deferment, plus you can provide a service by

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<v Speaker 2>I happen to know this. I've only performed three marriages

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those. It's interesting, uh. And outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Joan Mellon's interviews with with Beckham, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult to get to know this guy, so there

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<v Speaker 2>you go. But meanwhile, the solicitation that Alan put out

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting because a lot of us, and I do

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<v Speaker 2>mean us, those of us who have you know, labored

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<v Speaker 2>and done independent work, whether they were trying to write

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<v Speaker 2>a book or not. A lot of us have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>purchased or required CDs over the years, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the CDs or you know, work files that you

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<v Speaker 2>I used to call them at one point. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, a lot of that stuff is not on

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet, and some of us have you know, boxes

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<v Speaker 2>or spindles full of these things. And somebody out there

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<v Speaker 2>right now listening to us might have the Larry Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>collection on a CD.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, they were Basically what happened is I I

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<v Speaker 4>like a ten or twelve page analysis, then double up

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<v Speaker 4>all the documents and.

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<v Speaker 3>Sent boxes to Lancer and Debra would have them scanned

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<v Speaker 3>and put on CD. And there there were two collections.

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<v Speaker 3>One was there the research of Larry Hankyck I think,

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<v Speaker 3>and then there was another one specifically on Beckham and Chrisman,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I know they did sell some of those. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>my copies of both CDs are no longer readable, which

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<v Speaker 3>does happen to CDs. But then the documents themselves got misplaced,

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<v Speaker 3>lost whatever in various moves at Lancer. So if anybody

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<v Speaker 3>happened to have purchased those and we can get copies

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<v Speaker 3>of the CD, get the CD credit off reconstructed, there's

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<v Speaker 3>just there are literally hundreds of pages of documents and

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<v Speaker 3>research in those CDs that will disappear forever. Strangely, it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, gosh, I remember that was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of work, but it would be nice to be able

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<v Speaker 2>Well, quick question, do you still.

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<v Speaker 1>Have your CDs?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are they not readable? Is it? Are they telling

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<v Speaker 2>you that the files are no good or I do not.

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<v Speaker 3>I sent them off to a couple of archives who

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<v Speaker 3>were going to try to attempt to recover them, to

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<v Speaker 3>go into university archives. They were unable to read them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you wind up with those CDs back in

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<v Speaker 2>your hand and you're willing to mail them to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been able to recover some stuff off of CDs

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<v Speaker 2>that people have told me you can't get anything off,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm just saying, as a last resort, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to help you get them, and that would save

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work and would present people with a

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<v Speaker 2>unique opportunity to study that stuff and get those nice

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<v Speaker 2>narratives that I'm sure were exclusive to those CDs that

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<v Speaker 2>you wrote. So I wouldn't mind helping you recover them

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<v Speaker 2>if nobody else can send them to me. As a

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<v Speaker 2>last resort, I'll get it done if it's possible, because

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of weird techniques that people told

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<v Speaker 2>me wouldn't work, and they do. It just has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with branching between some old programs that you can

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<v Speaker 2>no longer get. But I still have on a device

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<v Speaker 2>or two that actually allowed me to recover some things

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<v Speaker 2>from some CDs in the past. I'm just telling you, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I certainly, and if anybody finds them, I I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I have any left if I can recover

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<v Speaker 3>If anybody finds them, just let's try to do this,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's really some interesting stuff in there if we

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<v Speaker 2>Right and do me a favor. If anybody does and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know what to do with them, by all means,

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<v Speaker 2>contact me or contact Larry through his blog if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>rather do that, but one or the other. I will

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<v Speaker 2>make sure they either get to them or get recovered

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<v Speaker 2>if you send them to me, you know, but info

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<v Speaker 2>atochelly dot com or blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll be more than happy to assist Larry and

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<v Speaker 2>recovering those anyway. But one way or another, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to see your work preserved, and I'm glad that it's

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<v Speaker 2>being done over there, you know, some of it. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think any website can hold all your work

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, but we'll give it a shot, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and see what we can get done. So, anything else

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<v Speaker 2>about this that you want to let people know or

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<v Speaker 2>should they contact you know? Do we want to give

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<v Speaker 2>out any other email addresses?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Or Oh I'm always happy to give out my email

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<v Speaker 3>address if somebody saw a particular interview or particular posts

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<v Speaker 3>that I've done. That thanks, worthwhile with me sharing. I

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<v Speaker 3>tried to recall and search everything, but I could for

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<v Speaker 3>allan but people might very well have suggestions. At this point,

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<v Speaker 3>my recollection of everything that I've done myself is getting

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<v Speaker 3>a little hazy.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, And I'm planning to contribute a little

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<v Speaker 2>piece to the Hancock archive over there as well. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not telling you what it is yet, but you will

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<v Speaker 2>see it, probably within the next forty five days or

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<v Speaker 2>so at most, because it's going to take me a

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<v Speaker 2>little time to reconstruct something, but it'll get done. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to see this continue. And again the

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<v Speaker 2>link is in the show notes and also at the

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<v Speaker 2>ocell dot com chat room there for the public to see.

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<v Speaker 2>So by all means, go there, visit it, take a

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<v Speaker 2>look at Alan Slash Larry's work at the web site.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go, Larry, that's the past and all

443
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<v Speaker 2>of your work of the past. But you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the current season of geopolitics as it is

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<v Speaker 2>presented on the reality show or.

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<v Speaker 3>What yeah it is. It's amazing to me to try

447
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<v Speaker 3>to really you and I have talked about, you know,

448
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<v Speaker 3>and ongoing. Did the Cold War suddenly become hot? You know?

449
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<v Speaker 3>Is this a new Cold War, a new type of

450
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<v Speaker 3>World war?

451
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<v Speaker 1>Whatever?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think I think we've run into a fascinating

453
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<v Speaker 3>thing of it's become more like a reality show. You know,

454
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<v Speaker 3>how much of this is really staged? How much of

455
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<v Speaker 3>it is posturing? Is it? I mean, certainly there are

456
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<v Speaker 3>people dying, there's huge amounts of damage being done, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost as if it's theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, there's real blood, there's real consequences, there's real death.

459
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<v Speaker 2>There's really people getting shot trying to get food in Palestine. Okay,

460
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<v Speaker 2>that's really happening. It's not crisis actors, it's not Ai Okay.

461
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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not telling you this, Larry, I'm telling the

462
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<v Speaker 2>listener this because there are people out there speculating and

463
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<v Speaker 2>even look, I've been a little mocking about this. I

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<v Speaker 2>call it the War of the two Eyes. Okay, Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and Iran. All Right, I know it's not very creative,

466
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<v Speaker 2>but best I could do with only twelve days to

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<v Speaker 2>work with. Really, all right, and now there's speculation, well,

468
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<v Speaker 2>you know, did the US strikes really destroy nuclear capabilities

469
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<v Speaker 2>or did it do nothing? Or what was this? And

470
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<v Speaker 2>all along? Quite frankly reality show. It's less real than

471
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<v Speaker 2>a reality show. It seems like it is performative, like

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<v Speaker 2>people that are out there trying to demonstrate how outrage

473
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<v Speaker 2>they are over things just to make the point of

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<v Speaker 2>their outrage to score points. And this is what occurred. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's an added benefit. And you may disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with me about this, but there's an added benefit to

477
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<v Speaker 2>the business model. What business model am I talking about?

478
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<v Speaker 2>The military industrial complex? Of course, you know those big

479
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<v Speaker 2>huge Mother of All bombs or bunker busters or whatever,

480
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<v Speaker 2>the planes, the fuel, all that stuff. Guess what costs money?

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<v Speaker 2>And now we got to restock. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like any other business. And I'm sorry to put it

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<v Speaker 2>that way, because, like I said, there's real bloodshed, there's

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<v Speaker 2>real consequences, there's real death and destruction. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, there's some people that I think are just

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a cost benefit analysis, whether it's political or financial,

487
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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people are cashing in. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way I see it. Maybe I'm crazy, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's the way I've come through this, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>all the rhetoric, regardless of all the hyperbole. What are

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And the reason I referred to it as maybe

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<v Speaker 3>political theater is the right word is given the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of death and destruction with the relative lack of engagement.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like, Okay, we're going to launch a

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<v Speaker 3>huge missile barrage and then we'll come back and say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's let it set for a couple of weeks and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we'll start negotiations, okay, And one party says, all right,

499
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<v Speaker 3>they've agreed to negotiations. The other party says, no, we haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a matter of fact, yeah, it's it's like

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<v Speaker 3>there are two levels as things occurring. One is explosive

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<v Speaker 3>and as you said, there's blood and casualties and destruction,

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<v Speaker 3>and then at a higher level it's just like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we talked, and then we'll talking and Putin will call

505
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<v Speaker 3>me or I'll call somebody, and there's no level of urgency.

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot fathom the fact that the United States would

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<v Speaker 3>would first of all, bomb someone that it has made

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<v Speaker 3>no threat against us and is certainly not an exec

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<v Speaker 3>general threat against the continent of the United States in

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<v Speaker 3>any way, shape or form. Yet we bond them with

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most massive displays of force since World

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<v Speaker 3>War Two.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, in the end, there's an additional But there's

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<v Speaker 2>an additional element to this that I'd like you to

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<v Speaker 2>address as well, which is the longstanding history of Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not an existential threat to us, you know, the

517
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<v Speaker 2>colloquial us, but you know us. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>we have been a constant interference, element of interference. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>say for almost a century in that country that we

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<v Speaker 2>just dropped some bombs on in the middle of the country,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, regardless of what the facility allegedly was

522
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<v Speaker 2>or whatever else. Here's the thing. I mean, if we

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<v Speaker 2>go back to Mohamed Mozdek and all that, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties. So okay, excuse me, I said, a century,

525
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<v Speaker 2>seventy five years? How what will be fair that way?

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<v Speaker 2>Mohamed Mozdek, that whole incidence where we reinstall the shaw

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran basically with the help of British intelligence. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go from there, through the hostage crisis, through

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<v Speaker 2>the give us back you know, the guy that you

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<v Speaker 2>supplied the Savak training to and everything else for the

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<v Speaker 2>secret police, we want to punish him. Big miracle. They

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<v Speaker 2>turned the country over to the priests. After all that.

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<v Speaker 2>From the secular government interference.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, here we.

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<v Speaker 2>Go again and again and again and again, and meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody even wants to look at that history and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I was these people, I might be

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<v Speaker 2>a little more angry or reactive to this, And yet

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<v Speaker 2>we got virtually no reaction. So there's a context to

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<v Speaker 2>be spoken of here that I didn't see in the media,

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<v Speaker 2>in the talking heads, the political analysts, the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to bring on Spider, you know, General Spider,

543
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<v Speaker 2>they always bring him on CNN. What's his name, Spider

544
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<v Speaker 2>Marx retired general right, and these other guys who are

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<v Speaker 2>military experts everything else. Nobody talked about the constant interference

546
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<v Speaker 2>and the other war that has been going on again

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<v Speaker 2>for seventy five years in the spheres of influence, in

548
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<v Speaker 2>the political assassination and you know, upheaval and regime change

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<v Speaker 2>and all these things. They throw around all these words

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<v Speaker 2>and never look at the history, and yet we get

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<v Speaker 2>a result that makes no sense given that history. Or again,

552
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<v Speaker 2>am I speaking out of school here?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? I think certainly the media has forgotten much of

554
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<v Speaker 3>the history. But let's face it. Let's let's step back

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<v Speaker 3>one phrase during the period of time that you were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the first cod War, American foreign policy was global,

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<v Speaker 3>right right, Ignow, we accept that we're at war with

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<v Speaker 3>the communist menace. We are part of the global We're

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<v Speaker 3>part of a global war. It just has to be

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<v Speaker 3>a co war, right now. About six months ago, we

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<v Speaker 3>decided our foreign policy stopped at our border, right, didn't

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere, And then it's

563
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<v Speaker 3>it's just all about us here, and we're just focused

564
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<v Speaker 3>on something that's a direct threat. You know, if it's

565
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<v Speaker 3>not at the border, it's none of our business, except

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<v Speaker 3>it is suddenly and suddenly and then re engaged. We

567
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<v Speaker 3>suddenly pushed that border out way far. And I'm absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>certain that none of Ourn's missiles will reach across the Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well because because Israel, you know, because yeah, I got that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's it's like it's it's a shifting it's

571
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<v Speaker 3>there's no common perception of it. So we're all only

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<v Speaker 3>concerned about our on boarders. And this, as you say,

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<v Speaker 3>it has to do with a threat to Israel, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but of course a threat to you know, people attacking Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a threat and we should help them. People attacking

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine it's not a threat, and we should not help them.

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<v Speaker 3>As a matter of fact. You know, even if they

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<v Speaker 3>offered a bias from US, we wouldn't necessarily sell it

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<v Speaker 3>to them, but we will give it to Israel. You know,

580
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<v Speaker 3>there's a disconnect here. I hate disconnects. And and by

581
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<v Speaker 3>the way, the only country that has actually threatened US

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<v Speaker 3>with atomic weapons is North Korea. But you know they've

583
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<v Speaker 3>actually got them, and we're not going to mess with them.

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<v Speaker 3>You could almost say, you know, Iran says they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to attack us and left we have an atomic weapon,

586
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<v Speaker 3>and sure enough they did. And North Korea is a

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<v Speaker 3>perfect example of you get one and you can do

588
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<v Speaker 3>anything you want and threaten whoever you want, and we

589
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<v Speaker 3>won't mess with you, right, dear Russia. You know, so

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<v Speaker 3>Iran may have a point in you know, the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that nukes are a defensive device.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and that was the other point I brought up,

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<v Speaker 2>is that, you know, when we got a circumstance, there

594
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<v Speaker 2>was that common you know, perception, right, and we threatened

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<v Speaker 2>and cajoled North Korea and everything else. They went ahead

596
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<v Speaker 2>and said, nope, now we got a bomb. That changed

597
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<v Speaker 2>the equation. Iran, it would be insane for them not

598
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<v Speaker 2>to pursue a nuclear weapon, even if just to say

599
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<v Speaker 2>they have it. They can have a test and say, look,

600
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<v Speaker 2>we have it, we could use it. Now. We bargain differently,

601
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<v Speaker 2>and we demonstrated that.

602
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we made their point for them, right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that. And but as you said, it's it's

604
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<v Speaker 3>all about Israel. That's it's all about Israel. The rules

605
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 3>are not being applied across the board, which is driving

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<v Speaker 3>us all nuts.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's part of why I consider it theater.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got different shows going on in different regions. Geopolitically,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no common strategy to any of this. There was.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could have made an argument six months

612
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<v Speaker 3>ago that there is a new common strategy and it

613
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<v Speaker 3>stops at the border. Yeah, we're going to defund all

614
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<v Speaker 3>of you know, Radio Europe, right, that's just an example.

615
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<v Speaker 3>We don't care about the rest of the world anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So that would have at least been a common, consistent strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not the way it's playing now. We're picked

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<v Speaker 3>and choosing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would have been coherent, but uh, Israel never mind,

620
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<v Speaker 2>you know, up to that point, right, we're not intervening

621
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<v Speaker 2>and we did another smaller version of that where we're

622
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<v Speaker 2>not intervening in certain places where you know, hey there's

623
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<v Speaker 2>a genocide occurring, but we intervened in South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just saying. Look, I'm not trying to make

626
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<v Speaker 2>and some people are probably already screaming at this podcast

627
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 2>right now, going Chuck the liberal, Chuck the Look. I'm

628
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<v Speaker 2>not being the liberal here. I'm just pointing out what's happening.

629
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<v Speaker 2>And Larry Hancock is the last guy that I would

630
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<v Speaker 2>ever think to complain about Israel, frankly, but yet here

631
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<v Speaker 2>it is.

632
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<v Speaker 3>Look, you know, let's let's talk about moral imperatives, because

633
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 3>we both come out of a period of time from

634
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 3>JFK on when the US at least did have one

635
00:37:56.239 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 3>uncommon theme, not that we did not screw it up

636
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.079
<v Speaker 3>up all the time and do things to deniably that. Okay,

637
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 3>we're not talking about what we did. At least, what

638
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 3>we said was that we had the moral perative of

639
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.239
<v Speaker 3>helping defend people that were being attacked, defend democracies that

640
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 3>were being attacked, and we would It's Kennedy and Berlin,

641
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 3>the speech at the Berlin Wall. I am a Berliner. No,

642
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.400
<v Speaker 3>the border doesn't stop at the US. The US will

643
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 3>assume the moral imperative of defending against aggression. Yet here

644
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 3>we are. We can defend against aggression. For Israel, we

645
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 3>stop defending against ingressia, for Ukraine. We can morally reject

646
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 3>genocide in South Africa and just totally ignore it in Gaza.

647
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 3>And when you see stories of US funded relief organizations

648
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.800
<v Speaker 3>their own people saying their own people are firing on

649
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 3>the Palestini Palestinians trying to recollect the release, you know,

650
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 3>it takes real, an real effort to ignore that. So

651
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 3>my point is you're going to be consistent. Either you

652
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 3>stop at your borders or you don't. Or you have

653
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 3>a moral imperative that you honor everywhere, or you don't.

654
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise it's just theater and you're doing whatever you want

655
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 3>wherever for your purpose, not with any consistent morality or

656
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 3>strategy either one.

657
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's the thing, it's not even necessarily. Look,

658
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, people say, oh, look, you know you're moral,

659
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>you're this way, you're that way, you're bleeding heart. You're

660
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 2>worried about certain people, not worried about other people. Look,

661
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>how about remove that from the equation it's strategically incoherent

662
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>as well as morally yeah coherent, So yeah, go ahead, please.

663
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what I was going to say. You can if

664
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<v Speaker 3>it was one or the other, maybe somebody could make

665
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 3>the argument as you say that you're just a liberal

666
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 3>and you know morality does not apply to geopolitics. Okay,

667
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 3>a fine plan, but then at least you ought to

668
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.159
<v Speaker 3>have strategy. You ought to have tactics, You ought to

669
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.880
<v Speaker 3>have a plan. You know, if you're going to be

670
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 3>like Gung Ho brute force, I'm all out for me,

671
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 3>then at least you should have a plan.

672
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of that. You know that that Batman movie.

673
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ever saw it, but the

674
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<v Speaker 2>Dark Knight, you know, the one with the with the

675
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 2>heath ledger joker. Yes, yes, and he's in the nurse's

676
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>uniform and he's looking at the now Harvey Dent, who

677
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 2>has become two paced, and he goes, do I look

678
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>like a guy with a plan. I really felt like

679
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>that's what was being said to the world, is that

680
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 2>America had become the Joker here? Do I look like

681
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 2>a guy with a plan? Because you don't.

682
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 3>That's a that's a perfect line. That's a perfect line.

683
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 3>If somebody was writing about American geopolitics right now, that

684
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 3>would be the line to use. Do I look like

685
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.320
<v Speaker 3>I have a plan? Do I look like I have

686
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.320
<v Speaker 3>a plan anywhere?

687
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 5>You know?

688
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 3>You and I talked about this a bit earlier. But

689
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 3>to add to this equation, you have to add to

690
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 3>the fact we are busily making enemies a lot with

691
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people that don't necessarily have ballistic missiles

692
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 3>but have asymmetric warfare tools. Okay, and we've been through

693
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 3>that before. And we're in the midst of making lots

694
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 3>of people very mad at us who have the ability

695
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 3>to attack us in numerous ways, whether it's forget the aircraft,

696
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 3>when's that next bomber drone going to hit a big building?

697
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 1>You know?

698
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 3>But what did we just do today? I'm appalled that

699
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 3>we're going to cut the Fusion Center for counter Terrorism

700
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Threats by like seventy percent. I mean, this is insanity. See,

701
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:00.320
<v Speaker 3>but don't you don't go off start making start making

702
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 3>people totally mad at you and at the same time

703
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 3>reduce your defenses for the easiest way for them to

704
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 3>attack you.

705
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, right, but now I'm going to present to you

706
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 2>my last crazy piece of input into this discussion. And

707
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 2>then I'm going to let you wrap it up any

708
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>way you want regarding this circumstance that we find ourselves in.

709
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing that I find remarkable at this point.

710
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Speaker 2>For decades now, okay, and I'm a little younger than you, Larry,

711
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure you can agree with me that from

712
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies to now, okay, past fifty years, we

713
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>have effectively been told continuously by various talking heads both parties,

714
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 2>people of isolationists and of you know, the people that

715
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 2>want to be the global police, remember the whole you know,

716
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 2>we're going to police the globe. It's going to cost

717
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.800
<v Speaker 2>us a fortune. We can't afford it. Or the people

718
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 2>that say we must because we're the only ones that

719
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:58.119
<v Speaker 2>can among all of them, what they always said about Iran,

720
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.039
<v Speaker 2>right ever since the hostage I mean, I was a

721
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>kid when that went on, and that's where you got

722
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 2>day twenty seven of the hostage crisis, Day one hundred

723
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and fifty of the hostage crisis. We heard that on

724
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>the radio every day, on TV every day. That's how

725
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Nightline got started. Right. Anyways, it was amazing to me

726
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that all these people that told us over and over

727
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:24.639
<v Speaker 2>again that if we weren't careful, we could have ourselves

728
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>swarmed in all places all over the world by people

729
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that sought to blow up, kill, create chaos, and they

730
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 2>had people ready at all times, and we're constantly sending

731
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 2>them there a message that was taken much more seriously

732
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>in the post nine to eleven reality by people who said,

733
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>look what happened, guys with I'm not even getting into

734
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the conspiracy the discussion. Let's just use the official narrative here.

735
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Guys with box cutters hijacked airplanes and took New York

736
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>City down. Part of our financial institutions were crushed. Serious

737
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>things were done, low tech asymmetrical warfare. And that was

738
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the thing. This is why we needed homeland security. This

739
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 2>is why we needed the Patriot Act. This is why,

740
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>why why why why? In light of all of that

741
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 2>and the constant, continuous threat, the fact that we've seen

742
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 2>nothing happen since this, you know, attack on Iran almost

743
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 2>says to me, obviously, you've been telling me about a

744
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.840
<v Speaker 2>boogeyman that doesn't necessarily exist, or at least not the

745
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>way that you've explained it. Just like we found out

746
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that you know, Saddam Hussein. Yeah, one time he was

747
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of on our side. Then we kind of, you know,

748
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.559
<v Speaker 2>smacked him down. Then we got rid of him. He

749
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>was an asset coincidentally against Iran. Anyway, let's not get sidetracked.

750
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 2>The point is that at this point in time, I'm

751
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>saying to myself this boogeyman you've always told me about,

752
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's about as real as sy because that's where

753
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>we're at. And I wonder what your thoughts are. Again,

754
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I know it's a crazy thing and it's not the responsible,

755
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, sane thing to say in mixed company, but

756
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I present it to you. I mean, put me in

757
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>my place, put this in its context any which way

758
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 2>you want, Larry, But what are your thoughts on that

759
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>idea that maybe just maybe we have just seen a

760
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 2>mask drop here and the reality is not as it

761
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>was represented. Could be there was collusion here for this

762
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 2>political theater, or it could be that it's just been

763
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:39.400
<v Speaker 2>an unrealistically amplified threat in the perception of most of

764
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.320
<v Speaker 2>us when those in the know knew better. What are

765
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts, Well.

766
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he gave a different slant on it, and I

767
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.079
<v Speaker 3>only would speak this way because I did look into

768
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 3>this a lot in writing the section of Surprise Attack

769
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 3>that deals with post nine to eleven. Yes, And one

770
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:58.960
<v Speaker 3>of the things I will say is there was a

771
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.719
<v Speaker 3>period of time during three or four administrations where we

772
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 3>took that kind of threat very seriously. And I'm not

773
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 3>talking about immigrants or asylum seekers. I'm talking about the

774
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 3>real threat being the recruitment of American citizens for terror acts. Yeah,

775
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.760
<v Speaker 3>because you can. You can only get away with nine

776
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.639
<v Speaker 3>to eleven. You know, you you sneak sawdies in and

777
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, put them through aircraft pilot training. You get

778
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.480
<v Speaker 3>you get away with that once. Next time you're going

779
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 3>to have to do something really different because everybody's watching

780
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 3>for that. But there was a period of time for

781
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 3>a couple of decades where truly the Fusion centers, the

782
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 3>the fbis and Home Rand security, they were being very diligent.

783
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:55.280
<v Speaker 3>They were doing uh exercises, they were they were turning

784
00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 3>people looking at the Internet. They were turning people. Now

785
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 3>you can like that or not like that, but one

786
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 3>argument can be made is that they were being preemptive

787
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 3>and they were being proactive, and did they trample on

788
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 3>some people's rights? Very likely, Either like that or not,

789
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 3>But one day.

790
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 2>One day, you and I I will. I don't know

791
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 2>if I ever shared with you my personal interaction with

792
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the Department of Homeland Security in two thousand and seven.

793
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 2>I think I did, But if not, maybe one day

794
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to discuss it with you, because I got

795
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 2>to tell you there's a lot of overstepping that was

796
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.639
<v Speaker 2>done during that time period as well, and from my

797
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 2>personal experience, I don't know if I ever told you

798
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 2>about Did I tell you about that when I was

799
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>getting married?

800
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:42.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yes, uh huh, okay, fair.

801
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Enough, fair enough. I leave it there, But I'm just

802
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>saying to me, it's still one of those things. Where

803
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>was that done, you know, as a demonstration, as a

804
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 2>preventative measure. Was it realistically necessary? Well now nowadays doesn't

805
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 2>seem to be, because I think we would have had

806
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.440
<v Speaker 2>a serious attack back.

807
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 3>As I said, ahead, Well, but I guess my point was,

808
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 3>you'll never know. It's one of those things that did it.

809
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Did it pre empt I mean those things if they're proactive.

810
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I I'm not necessarily saying that I like them, but

811
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 3>they are also preemptive. We won't know what it stopped.

812
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we know a few people got picked up,

813
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 3>and I tracked some of those cases in the book

814
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.280
<v Speaker 3>there there that was an issue for a time. Now

815
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:33.440
<v Speaker 3>that tapered off because we did get ahead of the

816
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 3>curve globally with al Qaeda. Now we're falling behind again

817
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 3>in Africa. There's no doubt that al Qaeda is growing

818
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.880
<v Speaker 3>again in Central Africa. It's looking for outlets to the

819
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 3>to the Atlantic Ocean. I guess what my counter to

820
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 3>what you just said is, I don't know that we

821
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 3>can know. All I can say is we did a

822
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of things domestically in a nation to get ahead

823
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 3>of it, some good things, some not bad things. Now

824
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 3>we're stopping all that just at the time that that

825
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 3>threat is developing again now, which seems inconsistent to me. Again,

826
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.639
<v Speaker 3>if we're making the argument that we're at threat on

827
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:26.079
<v Speaker 3>our borders because they've been so loose, well, would this

828
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 3>be the time that you decreased counter terrorism? You know,

829
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 3>next week when they're all gone, six months, when they're

830
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.400
<v Speaker 3>all gone, and you can sign off a slip. But

831
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:41.079
<v Speaker 3>they're still here and we're making we're making new enemies.

832
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt about that. So I guess I just

833
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<v Speaker 3>bring this up as an area of again inconsistency and

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<v Speaker 3>the lack of any overall strategy. We are. We are

835
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<v Speaker 3>diming down our cyber warfare. That's been very clear over

836
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.760
<v Speaker 3>the last three or four months. We actually for a

837
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<v Speaker 3>period of time turned it off in regard to Russia, right,

838
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<v Speaker 3>And we're doing a lot of things that in homeland security,

839
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<v Speaker 3>we're focused in one particular area like detention camps and deportees.

840
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, for whatever that's worth, that does not address

841
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<v Speaker 3>an appending attack from some of the people that we're

842
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<v Speaker 3>making really upset with us right now. So that's all

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<v Speaker 3>I was really pointing out is this is another area

844
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<v Speaker 3>of inconsistent tactics supporting no strategy at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I want to point out just a couple

846
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<v Speaker 2>of quick red flags and then we can close out

847
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<v Speaker 2>this discussion, because here's two red flags to me when

848
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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching the performative nature of the administration where Trump visits,

849
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Alligator Alcatraz, and it's not because it's Trump,

850
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.800
<v Speaker 2>it's the president anyway, so forget it. It's not about

851
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Trump here. Trump visits Alligator Alcatraz as the president shows

852
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<v Speaker 2>it to the media, and the next day I'm reading

853
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.039
<v Speaker 2>reports about how there are people arriving there. Okay, so

854
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that is a priority that is occurring in real time.

855
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<v Speaker 2>But a funny thing about those massive strikes on Iran,

856
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<v Speaker 2>if they knew nothing about it, if they were striking

857
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 2>an active facility, etcetera, etcetera, et cetera. I don't see

858
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<v Speaker 2>complaints about casualties. I don't see they killed one hundred

859
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<v Speaker 2>and fifty people. I don't see they killed thirty of

860
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 2>our scientists in the strikes. I don't see that as

861
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<v Speaker 2>a priority, which, by the way, would normally evoke the

862
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>need for vengeance, the need for and the legitimate which

863
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<v Speaker 2>we did develop earlier on in other conflicts, the legitimate

864
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<v Speaker 2>desire for people to want to get back at you

865
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<v Speaker 2>for the fact that you blew up their family, you

866
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 2>blew up their livelihood, you blew up their village, etc.

867
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<v Speaker 2>None of that occurred in this twelve day war of

868
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<v Speaker 2>two Eyes that the US put a punctuation mark on.

869
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<v Speaker 2>So I point out to you that these things either

870
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<v Speaker 2>happened because they're not meant to happen, or because people

871
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.400
<v Speaker 2>were warned there was an understanding. Something occurred here. That

872
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<v Speaker 2>is strange. When you can see people moved in real

873
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<v Speaker 2>time for a priority, and then another priority doesn't have

874
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<v Speaker 2>the expected consequence. And oh, by the way, pay no

875
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<v Speaker 2>attention to whatever the hell's going on in Ukraine now

876
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.519
<v Speaker 2>because we don't have the weapons to send them anyway.

877
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I think Trump earlier today said we need those for

878
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<v Speaker 2>us for what. Anyway, I'm just saying, when you see

879
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.280
<v Speaker 2>these things, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>To wrap that up too, that's one thing that makes

881
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 3>you think, see, Iran is not behaving as they've behaved

882
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 3>in the past, threats whatever you know. There and there

883
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 3>was a very interesting interview with a scientist from ros

884
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Alamos today talking about the fact that again we're forgetting

885
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 3>our science and we're doing away with our science. But

886
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 3>it takes a lot less. If you're at sixty percent enrichment,

887
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:20.039
<v Speaker 3>going from sixty to eighty takes minimal time and resources

888
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<v Speaker 3>compared to what it took you to get to sixty.

889
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 3>If you've already got a store of material enriched, you

890
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:33.480
<v Speaker 3>can go quickly to a working bomb or a dirty bomb. Yes,

891
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:37.360
<v Speaker 3>you know. And one of the things that nobody is

892
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 3>talking about is the most radical part. The only thing

893
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.239
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about is they killed all their commanders, right,

894
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 3>But the guys down below who are still radical and

895
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 3>just had their commanders wiped out are the ones that

896
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:57.159
<v Speaker 3>could very well be in control of that stuff. And

897
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:00.920
<v Speaker 3>they never took orders from the Iranian National God what ever,

898
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 3>They launched their own attacks. They launched their own strikes,

899
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.559
<v Speaker 3>and they just might take it in their head to

900
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 3>do it again. We somehow have managed to convey the

901
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.920
<v Speaker 3>messages after those strikes, it's all over and we're safe.

902
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 3>And again that's again, that's the nothing is ever that simple.

903
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you read Son Sou's The Art of War,

904
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you make your enemy feel safe just before you attack them.

905
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.719
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't read that, how about read this.

906
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.480
<v Speaker 2>If you blew up a nuclear facility that had a

907
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of radioactive stuff in it, that stuff might

908
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 2>have gotten spread around and noticed by people, you know,

909
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:47.119
<v Speaker 2>in the region. Just saying, But anyway, Larry, maybe it's

910
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.880
<v Speaker 2>just my you know, curious mind and the odditch I

911
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>have in my brain and could be the concussions I've

912
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 2>taken in my life that makes me think this way.

913
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but Larry, I appreciate you giving us context.

914
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 2>And I told people in the chat room that you

915
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>were going to bring some sanity to the broadcast and

916
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you've done so, so I appreciate that. I want people

917
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 2>to check out the archive, which I've given you a

918
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<v Speaker 2>link for at the at the AARC website, as well

919
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.199
<v Speaker 2>as going to Larry's blog at Larry Dashancock dot com.

920
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Always always a good idea to follow that if you

921
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>want to keep up on the reality of some of

922
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 2>the unreal things that are happening. And I recommend to

923
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:30.280
<v Speaker 2>all Larry's books, especially by the way, you know the

924
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Oswald Puzzle, which is the newest one. But you're also

925
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 2>going to make a presentation at Lancer this year and

926
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping to hear some new stuff. I think there

927
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 2>will be actually by the time you get to it.

928
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<v Speaker 2>Is that a possibility, Yeah, I think there could be.

929
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 3>We're we're we're still pursuing what was happening with with

930
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Oswald starting in New Orleans, right and what was going

931
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:56.760
<v Speaker 3>on with him, and I think there might be some

932
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.519
<v Speaker 3>new stuff on that. And just one final comment that

933
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<v Speaker 3>I will offer check. I think I would love it

934
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<v Speaker 3>if I could go anywhere and add some sanity to

935
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.639
<v Speaker 3>something these days. I would just I pretty much think

936
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 3>that what I can do is delineate the insanity you

937
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.679
<v Speaker 3>know then we're all going to have to deal with it.

938
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<v Speaker 3>I'm just not fineing much sanity.

939
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<v Speaker 2>Listen, I hear you, and I'm seeing that exactly the

940
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 2>same way you are, even though it might be from

941
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.599
<v Speaker 2>a slightly different angle. So there you have it, guys,

942
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 2>one way or another, Larry gives you something that you're

943
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Speaker 2>not getting elsewhere, and that's why I recommend his books,

944
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:38.119
<v Speaker 2>his blog and everything else. Very unique and ethical work.

945
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Ethical and ethical, by the way, I'm saying both words.

946
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<v Speaker 2>Work from Larryhncock again, larrydsh Hancock dot com, Larry Hyphenhandcock

947
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 2>dot com, whatever, and the links will be in the

948
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 2>show notes. So anyway, that'll do it for us. I

949
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 2>know it's less than an hour, but I promised Larry

950
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:58.559
<v Speaker 2>would be less than an hour, and we covered a

951
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<v Speaker 2>lot of ground. Hopefully you guys got something out of it.

952
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<v Speaker 2>I'm o'chelly, you are the offend.

953
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<v Speaker 6>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

954
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<v Speaker 6>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

955
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<v Speaker 6>the context of the Times and reveals never before published

956
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<v Speaker 6>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

957
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<v Speaker 6>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

959
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<v Speaker 6>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 6>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

961
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<v Speaker 6>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

962
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<v Speaker 6>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

963
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<v Speaker 6>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

964
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<v Speaker 6>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

965
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<v Speaker 6>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

966
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<v Speaker 6>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

967
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<v Speaker 6>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, I'm about the Javassas.

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<v Speaker 2>Ration, right, Well, what do you want to know Rudy

974
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<v Speaker 2>Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he knew Ruby and Barry

975
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<v Speaker 2>answer weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim I have four wheels.

976
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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make me a wagon.

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<v Speaker 4>But okay, Bill, and I'm trying to prevent the murder

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<v Speaker 4>of John Kennedy Come On Now has a real.

979
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<v Speaker 3>Effort on the day of pay assassination book into her claims.

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<v Speaker 2>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

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<v Speaker 2>and the known evidence in the case to get at

984
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<v Speaker 2>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith

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<v Speaker 2>claims Judith Very Baker in her own words.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for all the great information. Jesus, what would

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<v Speaker 9>Nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 10>You know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 11>Just think called nuclear weapons and other things like lots

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<v Speaker 11>of you know what uranium is right? Bad things things

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<v Speaker 10>You know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 11>Just think called nuclear weapons and other things like lots

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<v Speaker 1>Uranium is right.

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<v Speaker 11>Bad things things are done with your anim including some

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<v Speaker 13>that'll open your eyes to events that led up to this.

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<v Speaker 14>Secret Wars with Air Strikes and Tanks by Larryhncock. Secret

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<v Speaker 14>wars became a staple of US covert operations and are

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<v Speaker 14>still happening today. Larryhancock's book In Denial rips the cover

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<v Speaker 14>off many of them, using new files. It exposes things

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<v Speaker 14>about the Bay of Pigs that no one has ever

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<v Speaker 14>written about before. It shows why it really failed and

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<v Speaker 14>why the United States did.

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<v Speaker 15>Not learn from it. It also shows why other countries

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<v Speaker 15>today are doing secret operations with more success. This is

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<v Speaker 15>the book that puts what some want to deny into

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<v Speaker 15>the light. In Denial, Secret Wars with air Strikes and

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<v Speaker 15>Tanks Larryhancock. For more information, go to Larry hyphen Hancock

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<v Speaker 15>dot com. Pick up your copy of In Denial at

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<v Speaker 15>Amazon dot com. In Digital or Physical.

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<v Speaker 6>Force Radio, The War State by Michael Swanson explains the

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<v Speaker 6>great national transformation that took place and put the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 6>presentdency in the context of the times, and reveals never

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<v Speaker 6>before published information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy

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<v Speaker 6>would not have been assassinated if he had been president

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<v Speaker 6>two hundred years ago. His assassination took place in the

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<v Speaker 6>context of the Cold War and the rise of the

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<v Speaker 6>national security state. Before World War II, the United States

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<v Speaker 6>was a continental republic. In the decade that followed, it

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<v Speaker 6>became an imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not

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<v Speaker 6>only wanted to invade Cuba, but knew that there were

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<v Speaker 6>short range missiles on the island aren't with nuclear warheads

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<v Speaker 6>that they could not destroy because they were on mobile launchers.

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<v Speaker 6>Their invasion could have led to a Third World War,

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<v Speaker 6>and they wanted to go to war anyway. The War

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<v Speaker 6>State by Michael Swanson reveals why and will show you

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<v Speaker 6>what President Kennedy was up against. For more information, The

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<v Speaker 6>Warstate dot com the.

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<v Speaker 2>Use expressed by callers schools. There anyone else who happens

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<v Speaker 2>to get on the air at Olly dot com. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily reflecting he views of Olly dot com or

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Chelly, and we are not responsible for any stupidity

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<v Speaker 2>which might ensue.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 10>This is James Corbet at corner Report dot com and

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<v Speaker 10>you're listening to the affected Olly dot com revel.

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<v Speaker 1>Through conversation here, Yeah, ravel through convers well, a truth

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<v Speaker 1>breaking through.

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<v Speaker 10>Uncle. Do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said

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<v Speaker 10>that an Asian secret society was going to dispatch ninja's

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<v Speaker 10>to take down the Illuminati.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh that's interesting, Yeah in the clutchroon.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah did that ever work out too good?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 10>It didn't, did it? But here on o'chelly dot com

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<v Speaker 10>radio network things work out a bit better, don't they?

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<v Speaker 3>Much better?

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<v Speaker 8>Much is clear and understanding about the programs. The programs

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<v Speaker 8>much clearer, getting live people into it. They really have

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<v Speaker 8>a good conversation going much better, much better scene.

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<v Speaker 10>I say, forget Benjamin Fulford and his ninjas and listen

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<v Speaker 10>to the Ochelly dot com radio Network.

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<v Speaker 8>I agree, it's straight to the point, straight talk, and

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<v Speaker 8>I like that idea dot com.

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<v Speaker 12>Roll of brass, red bones, smash fire flows through everything,

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<v Speaker 12>little

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<v Speaker 7>Storm, unleash the pain.