WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:03.120 Karen. Yes, I think I might have found the ultimate 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.480 guide to this psychic world. Ooh, and get this, Yes 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:12.119 she's She's trained at the legendary Arthur Finley College, taught 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:14.880 at the College of Psychic Studies, and even help police 5 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:16.320 with psychic detection. 6 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:17.359 Nice. 7 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:20.960 Now, she isn't just a medium, she is a master 8 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:25.399 teacher of the metaphysical, mentor to future psychics, and because 9 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:29.879 why stop, there a university lecturer on creativity and storytelling. 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:30.519 Oh cool? 11 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:32.679 Yeah, and did I mention she's also the host of 12 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.240 a top one point five percent podcast and spiritual developments. 13 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.079 So yeah, I think it's safe to say we might 14 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:42.159 be in good hands right on this one, ready to 15 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.520 unravel the mysteries of psychic science, situition, and even past 16 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:49.159 life regression. Will then stick around because this episode is 17 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.159 about to take us deep into the unseen. 18 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:53.759 My name is Will and I'm Karen. 19 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.759 Unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've 20 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:58.399 embarked in a journey of discovery. 21 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.920 We've talked to people deeply into the spiritual and metaphysical world. 22 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:05.239 We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even 23 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:06.040 joined a coven. 24 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:09.200 Of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep. 25 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.959 All on the interest of finding something, anything, that will 26 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.400 prove that there's something beyond this physical. 27 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:15.760 Three dimensional world we all live in. 28 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:32.920 This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hey there, it's Will, just 29 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.799 stepping in here for a second to ask you for 30 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.959 a favor. See, the main reason we do this show 31 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.280 is to help others in their spiritual awakening, and nothing 32 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.560 makes us happier than to hear or read messages from 33 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:46.599 those that are resonating with the messages we're sharing on 34 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.640 the show. So if you have a moment, we'd love 35 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.040 for you to contribute to the show by heading to 36 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.359 Skeptic Metaphysician dot com and sending us a voicemail or 37 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.760 an email from our website, or if you prefer, we 38 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:01.879 love for you to leave us a review on Apple 39 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:06.920 Podcasts or any other podcasting platform that supports them. Karen 40 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:08.960 and I love hearing from those that are moved to 41 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:13.919 message us. It truly does fuel our passion. You are 42 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.360 the reason we do this show, and knowing what you 43 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.560 like and don't like, that's going to help us craft 44 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.759 the very best show we can so that we can 45 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.719 help raise the vibration of the planet together. Okay, I've 46 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.000 kept you from the interview long enough, so let's get 47 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:31.520 to it. Thanks for listening. Hey, there, I Will and 48 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.240 our guest today is a powerhouse in the world of spiritualism, 49 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.199 psychic sciences and metaphysical teachings. With over thirty eight years 50 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:40.840 thirty eight, yes, I read that right of experience. She's 51 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:43.840 trained at some of the most prestigious institutions in the field, 52 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:48.560 including the world's renowned Arthur Finley College and the College's 53 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:52.439 Psychic Studies Now. She's an evidential medium, an esteemed tutor, 54 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:57.039 and a certified past life aggression hypnotherapists. As a dedicated educator, 55 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:01.360 she teaches psychic development, mediumship and even remote viewing, helping 56 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.520 students unlock their own intuitive abilities. Boy, are we going 57 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:05.240 to be talking today? 58 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.960 She sounds very busy. 59 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.919 Now. Beyond her work in spiritualism, she's also an associate 60 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.039 lecturer at the University of the Arts in London and 61 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.560 host of the Psychic Matters podcast, a top ranked show 62 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:23.240 that explores a depth of psychic and spiritual development. Please 63 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.879 welcome to the show and Teato and how are you 64 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:27.039 doing today? Oh? 65 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.719 Thank you so much? That was a lovely introduction. Gosh, Yes, 66 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.000 I am busy and I do do a lot of things. 67 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:39.199 Yeah, you know, it's easy to write wonderful introductions when 68 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.080 the person has such wonderfully varied and esteemed experience. So 69 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:44.599 thank you for coming on the show. This is a 70 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.240 real treat for us. Really excited to have you on 71 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:46.560 the show. 72 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.240 I'm excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me. 73 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.240 Well, it's our pleasure. Okay, A lot to talk about, 74 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.280 so I'm just going to dive right in. You have 75 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.479 dedicated your life to spiritualism and psychic sciences. Was there 76 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:02.240 a specific moment or experience that awakened you to this path? 77 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.840 Yes, probably when I was in my thirties. I've always 78 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.919 been psychic as a child, didn't really understand at the 79 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:13.879 time I was psychic, but looking back, and in my thirties, 80 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.839 when I had children they were young, I started to 81 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:21.399 see what I would describe as shadows moving through my house, 82 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:26.120 people people's I'd see people's arms or legs or spirit animals, 83 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.959 and I didn't know what it was, and I needed 84 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.519 to go and get some tuition and some training for that. 85 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.160 So that's really what spurred me on for the mediumship. 86 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.639 I've always been interested in it since I was a child, 87 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.040 and I got my first Harrow cars at seventeen, so 88 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:42.600 it's been a long journey. 89 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.120 Wow. So it's either learned how to be a psychic 90 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.240 or go to the psychic ward right one or the other. 91 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:49.680 You chose a proper one. 92 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:51.079 I'm straight exactly. 93 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.759 I got to ask the obvious question, because you teach 94 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:57.519 people how to become psychic or be more in tune 95 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.720 with their psychic senses and things like that. Is everybody 96 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.240 We've heard of this, but we want to confirm it 97 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.120 from you. Is everybody's psychic? Everybody? Or there's just some 98 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.600 Porschmow like me in a corner who's like he's just 99 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.399 dumb and suck in a run and there's no way 100 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:12.360 that any psychic abilities are going to come to me. 101 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.759 No, everybody has psychic abilities. We're born with them. It's 102 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:22.279 just that they are roundly ignored by civilization unfortunately. But 103 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.959 everybody is psychic, and everybody can be trained to use 104 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.439 their psychic mind. And it's surprising, really. I get a 105 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.920 lot of newcomers into my I run as development circle 106 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.920 every Friday for people who want to learn and people 107 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.800 just surprise themselves with what they're able to achieve once 108 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.319 they set their mind to it, things that they didn't 109 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:43.680 know that they'd be able to do. 110 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.279 So well, I know it's a different thing, but I 111 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:48.560 set my mind to moving the beer across a table 112 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.399 just by me thinking about it, and it's never worked, 113 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.000 So I don't know. I must not have anything an. 114 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.000 So is it like a muscle, say, like you kind 115 00:05:58.000 --> 00:05:59.839 of tap into this when you're young, which a lot 116 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:03.399 of people I think do, and then life happens and 117 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:07.839 you get busy and you forget about this way of 118 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.480 looking at things in this life. Can you go back 119 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.920 into it or do you have to start like retraining 120 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:14.480 your thought process in your mind? 121 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.680 Yeah, that's an interesting question, Karen. I think what we 122 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:22.879 do is we refine our ability to sense the world 123 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:28.360 around us, and the greater focus we put on that, 124 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.800 the greater our refinement. So if you think about an 125 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.959 artist who likes to paint, they will be very mindful 126 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:37.920 as they walk through the world of how the light 127 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.680 touches something, or the shape of somebody's face, or the 128 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.560 way the breeze might blow the trees, and they'll be 129 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.000 able to use that they're refining their sense of connection 130 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.600 to the world so that they can paint those things 131 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.920 better and better. A surgeon might have a more refined 132 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.839 sense of touch as he goes through he or she 133 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.759 goes through their various operas. We become better and better 134 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.480 than more and more that we focus on it. 135 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.720 Well, then if people are interested in doing these kinds 136 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.600 of things, and a lot of people, more and more 137 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.240 people are waking up to this interest, right, what are 138 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.720 the first steps that someone can take to try to 139 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:14.920 move in that direction. 140 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.199 Take a class would be a step, but you have 141 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.759 to be careful who you go and study with, so 142 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:26.480 I would always be led by my intuition, my gut feeling. 143 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.759 How does it feel, does it feel right? Look on 144 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.600 the internet, look for you know, good teachers, good classes, 145 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:37.160 word of mouth, recommendation, or just things that you personally 146 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.319 are drawn to. So definitely take a class. But if 147 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.720 you want to be more psychic without taking a class, 148 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.360 then I suggest that you really, really, really pay attention 149 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:52.120 to the sense of ambiance around you, which is our 150 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:56.720 sixth sense, because our psychic is our seventh sense of 151 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.160 ambiance is the feeling of the energy around you. So 152 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.560 I'm sure both of you guys have perhaps walked into 153 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.319 a room after an argument. You can taste it in 154 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.319 the air, you can feel that something's not quite right. 155 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.399 There's people's some people's homes you can go into and 156 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.600 they feel really comfortable because of the ambiance you pick 157 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.120 up on it. Nobody tells you this is a comfortable house. 158 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.319 You sense it, you feel it. And some people's houses 159 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.920 are uncomfortable, some are comfortable. They have different feelings. Different 160 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:29.920 places have different feelings, and so we pay attention to 161 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.519 the ambiance all around us, like tasting, you know, like 162 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.120 a steak will taste the air with its tongue. We're 163 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:40.480 sort of tasting, feeling into the atmosphere, the ambiance around 164 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.840 us as psychic. So that's what you need to do. 165 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:47.080 Become very very aware and trust what you're picking up 166 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:47.559 as well. 167 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:49.759 I think that's the hard part. 168 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.759 I know that sometimes, you know, I've had these experiences 169 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.799 where I'm like, am I making this up? How do 170 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.639 you let go of that belief in yourself and start 171 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.720 to really trust that you are feeling something that's there. 172 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.360 Yeah, it's a great question, Karen. I think it's just 173 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.840 practice really and knowing that there is such a thing 174 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.720 as your psychic mind and your psychic ability, and trusting 175 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.639 in that it will never let you down ever, ever, ever, 176 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:25.360 And it's just practice. 177 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:27.960 It's the easier said than done. In this world where 178 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.360 you're running around everywhere. It's hard to keep your mind 179 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.240 on spiritualy, right on finding to practice, to find a 180 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.279 way to develop these things, or to be really even 181 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.240 be in tuned with the ambiance like you're talking about. 182 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.799 Because we are being demanded to move faster and live 183 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.039 in a three D world a very very specific way. 184 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.399 So and we want proof of everything. Well, not in 185 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:54.639 like physical tangible proof. 186 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.559 I do, I do, but you know we meaning you, 187 00:09:58.159 --> 00:09:58.799 we meaning me. 188 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.240 A lot of people. Yeah, seeing as believing there's that 189 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:03.879 whole phrase. 190 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.360 I mean, it's of course, we've got a conscious mind, 191 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.399 which we really need to do what you're saying, you know, 192 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.360 run around and do the school, run, go to work 193 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.879 every day, make our lists of shopping and do the laundry. 194 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:19.559 We really need our conscious mind. But also we must 195 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:23.000 be encouraged to go within and look at what we 196 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:27.919 call the implica order, that which happens within, and be 197 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.279 able to put the conscious mind to one side, because 198 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.559 the conscious mind is not psychic. So if you're trying 199 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.440 to feel something with your conscious mind and know something 200 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:38.159 and it's not going to work, conscious mind doesn't know 201 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.720 what it's doing. It's the psychic mind that you need 202 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.559 to use. And it's that day dream state, that in 203 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.720 between state. You know, when you've been told off as 204 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.000 a child for looking out the window at school, was 205 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.600 being told off being in a daze. It's that beautiful 206 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:53.960 sort of day dream state is where you want to 207 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.279 be and allow those thoughts and impressions to come in. 208 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.440 So you have to there's two sides of the mind 209 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.000 and you have to learn which side to use. 210 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.720 You studied in some prestigious institutions, which is even just 211 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.840 to say that is mind blowing to me right now 212 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:16.120 that there are prestigious institutions that teach psychic development. There's 213 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:22.200 so much distrust, I guess of this type of thing 214 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.559 for there to emerge an institution like the Arthur Finley College, 215 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:32.399 for example. It's anti intuitive to have something like this, 216 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:33.559 So how. 217 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:38.759 Do you actually it's not anti intuitive but ti non intuitive, right, but. 218 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:42.000 In the three D world, So how did studying in 219 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.559 institutions like this help shape who you are right now? 220 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.840 Well, first, of all, the Arthur Finny College employ the 221 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:53.639 best teachers in the world, so when you go there, 222 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.279 you're going to get the best teaching that there is 223 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.799 currently and so of course that's going to shape form 224 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.120 how you learn and your knowledge about the topic. And 225 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.600 they encourage you to try out all kinds of different exercises. 226 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:10.799 And it's a very busy day when you go to 227 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.480 the Arther Finny College. Usually I will go for a 228 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.600 week at a time, and you'll be working from nine 229 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.000 in the morning till nine at night, with breakfast, lunch, 230 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.039 and dinner of course in between those times. But it's 231 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.799 a very very long day. It's very very intensive learning. 232 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.120 It's the most beautiful, beautiful place. If anybody gets a 233 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.919 chance to go, it's absolutely fantastic. But they have There 234 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:40.200 is the Spiritualist's National Union, the SNU, which runs an 235 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:44.159 education program, and that is the education program that I 236 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.960 have gone through. In fact, I've just almost got what 237 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.960 they call their qualification, which is the d SNU, the 238 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.879 Diploma of the Spirituous National Union, and it is literally 239 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.559 the equivalent of a PhD. I've written ninety seven thousand, 240 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:04.840 three hundred words of essays so far. Wow, it's an 241 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:09.879 awful lot. Yeah, and she was busy. Yeah. Well, I'm 242 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:11.960 hoping to be a teacher at the Arth Finny College 243 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:15.080 myself one day, so well, one day soon, hopefully, thankful 244 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:16.440 I was according to plan. 245 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.679 Is that it all associated with spiritualist churches or is 246 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:20.919 it a totally different path? 247 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.440 Can you ask that question again? 248 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.679 Sure, So there's a at least here in the States, 249 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.480 there's a section of the population that goes to a 250 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:34.360 spiritualist church. Yes, that is really is designed to connect 251 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.720 during services, connect with spirits in the congregation. Is it 252 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.240 aligned with that or is that? Is it a totally 253 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:42.919 different Oh it is okay. 254 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.679 Yes, that's absolutely right. The Spiritualist National Union, that's a 255 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:51.039 religious organization and a charity. So that's what they are. 256 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.559 And they've got this education program, and of course they've 257 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.240 got Spiritualist churches which people will go to. And in 258 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.960 a Spirituist church you can watch a demonstration of mediumship 259 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.960 where the medium will use their eternal consciousness to connect 260 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.639 with the eternal consciousness of those who are in the 261 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.600 spirit world and bring through what we call messages for 262 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:11.080 the people in the congregation. 263 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.360 I love that term, the eternal consciousness. 264 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:13.799 Wow. 265 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.039 Yeah, So then what would you say are the Because 266 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:21.559 when people think about mediumship and these kinds of things, 267 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:25.480 there's a lot of immediate images thoughts that come to mind. 268 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.360 What would you feel would be the most misunderstood part 269 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:29.080 of mediumship? 270 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.000 I'm not sure what you are asking. 271 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.120 Can you Can you ask any misconceptions? Are there any 272 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.840 misconceptions that you like to dispel? Like, for example, when 273 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.399 people here think about spiritualist churches, they think about I 274 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.159 don't know, you do evidential mediumship, so it's a little 275 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.519 bit different. But there are people that feel that mediumship 276 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.000 is just people try and take one over on someone. 277 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:57.159 For example, how can someone be confident that when they 278 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.720 go to a spiritualist church or they go speak with 279 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:02.159 you or something like that, that they are truly in 280 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.759 with someone who can help them. 281 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.159 I think it's really important that you've brought this up 282 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:14.240 because there is so much skepticism, especially in our field, 283 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:19.600 and I personally have had to be very skeptical about 284 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.039 this work myself, and it's only through me wanting to 285 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.080 throw in the towel and say this is all a 286 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.000 load of nonsense. I'm not doing it anymore. But it's 287 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.600 only through my own learning that I've come to realize 288 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.679 this is a real, real thing that happens and it's 289 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:39.960 absolutely incredible. So how can someone be sure, Well, you 290 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:41.600 have to go to someone who's had a lot of 291 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:43.960 training and who knows what they're talking about. And you 292 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.799 can only do that, as I say, by researching their 293 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.960 credentials really for somebody who take and also as a 294 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.960 member of the Spirituous National Union, we have a great 295 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:02.360 code of ethics by which we work, so we wouldn't predict, say, 296 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.919 for instance, from the platform, we wouldn't demonstrate where alcohol 297 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.679 is being served. We all kinds of different things that 298 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.679 we work too as our code of conduct. So there's 299 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.519 a great standard and I think bringing up the standard 300 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.879 of mediumship and training for mediums is really really vital. 301 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.559 And if anybody's listening and they aren't able to go 302 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.120 across the pond as you call it, to the Arthophony 303 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.879 College itself, which is over in the UK in a 304 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:36.720 place called Stansteard just by Stansted Airport, you can learn 305 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:42.039 online with the SNUI, which is the Spirituous National Union International, 306 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.639 and you will get amazing tuition from the teachers there 307 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.759 and it's for international students and it's only twenty five 308 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.159 pounds for the entire year and all your classes are free. 309 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:57.080 So it's a really wonderful resource for people in different countries. 310 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.519 Can you say that again? Yeah, because I'm going right now, 311 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:02.960 not right now, right after this interview, will you. 312 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:03.720 So check it out. 313 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:10.440 It's called the s NUI Spirituous National Union International. I 314 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:13.599 think the website might be dot org dot UK. 315 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.039 Wonderful, Thank you, I will check it out. That sounds fascinating. 316 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:17.519 Thank you for that. 317 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.839 So yeah, I think we have to also really test 318 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.400 our own what we're doing here. Just you saying that 319 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.319 reminded me of something that I did several years ago. 320 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.079 I stood up in a spirituish church and it was 321 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.319 part of my training and I was doing a demonstration 322 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:39.279 of mediumship and I stood up and I said, there's 323 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:43.759 a gentleman here and he's dressed in skins, like animal skins, 324 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.960 and he's walking along the ice and he's been hunting 325 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.480 for seals. Now, I was in the middle of a 326 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:54.720 suburban area in the middle of the UK, sort of 327 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:58.240 middle aged audience, and I just looked out thinking, nobody, 328 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.680 but nobody is going to know who the says, I 329 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.839 must be going absolutely bonkers. This is a load of rubbish, 330 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.920 and I think I'll go and be a secretary like 331 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.440 I used to be. And what happened was somebody puts 332 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.599 a hand up. This was my uncle, I said, he 333 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.960 takes me to Greenland. Yes, he came from Greenland. He 334 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.680 was a seal hunter. I mean, what are the chances 335 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:24.559 of that? Wows like that really make you think, Okay, right, 336 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.319 there's so much truth in this, How on earth can 337 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.400 I pick this up? And it's only by finding your 338 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.599 own truth can you deal with our own skepticism? But 339 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.440 I think skepticism is absolutely vital, right. 340 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.920 I mean that's such a specific example too, right, being 341 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.480 a seal hunter, you wouldn't I mean, it wouldn't come 342 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:46.440 to mind at all. 343 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.119 Will So you mentioned something when you were talking about 344 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.359 the code of ethics that you follow and that you 345 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.079 don't do predictions. So I have a twofold question about that. 346 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.240 As mediums, can you predict? Can you forecast things? And 347 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.640 if so, why do you? Why is it an ethic 348 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:03.839 or to do that? 349 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.960 So, when you're working under the Code of conduct for 350 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.400 the Spirituist National Union as a medium, you don't predict 351 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.839 from the platform because it's not evidential. You're looking at 352 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.440 a future that hasn't actually happened yet. So when we 353 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.440 work on platform, everything that we bring through is from 354 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:27.039 the mind or the eternal consciousness of or soul if 355 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.960 you like, of the spirit communicator, and everything that they 356 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.440 say is present or current or known by the person 357 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.839 in front of us. Not always. Sometimes they can say 358 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:41.720 things like, there's a your grandfather had a watch and 359 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:44.400 it's kept in a yellow box, and the person in 360 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.039 front of you may not know what that is, but 361 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.240 you give it anyway, and then it turns out that 362 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.400 there is a watch that the person didn't know that's 363 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.480 kept in a yellow box. There's that sort of thing. 364 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.400 But that's not prediction that's coming straight from the spirit world. 365 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.440 But if I was to say to somebody, hmm, if 366 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.680 you carry on going along your life path, I predict 367 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:07.799 that you will become a policewoman one day, then that's 368 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:13.160 that's not evidential from the spirit world. That's my right 369 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.440 me giving a prediction. 370 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.279 And it could that could be the distinction between evidential 371 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:21.160 mediumship in psychic someone who goes. 372 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:25.720 To yes exactly, because the psychic is where we use 373 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.160 our energy to work with the energy of the person 374 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.839 sitting in front of us. And we are able to 375 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:34.519 pick up information from that energy field, from the auric 376 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.400 field and give it back to that person. And yes, 377 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.200 then you could possibly give prediction if this happens. I 378 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.160 see this, but again nothing is set in stone, because 379 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.000 we've got free will and free choice and all of 380 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:46.519 those things. 381 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:51.200 Sure, so then when you saw the gentleman in the skins, 382 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.839 seal Hunter, this is a fascinating question for me because 383 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.519 I can't even imagine what it would be like when 384 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.440 you see you said there's a there's a gentleman in 385 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.759 the room. Is it just a knowing that he's there? 386 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.279 Do you see that person in there? Is it a 387 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:08.920 shadowy figure? Like? How does it come to you? 388 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.720 For that particular example was in my early mediumship, and 389 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:18.359 at that time I could stare at a spot on 390 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:20.640 the wall at the back of the church or center, 391 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.480 and that person I can see them like a movie 392 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.000 in my mind, and I project that movie onto the 393 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.839 back wall, so I can literally see him walking. I 394 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.920 can also become him as if he is if I'm 395 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.759 walking in those skins, as if I'm walking along the 396 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.920 ice with him. And I remember saying to this girl, 397 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:42.799 he calls to you along across the ice, and it's 398 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:47.160 this long. Ah, there's like a big long call like this. 399 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:50.240 And I said, he tells me that you sing, and 400 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:51.960 she said, yes, I'm an opera singer. 401 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:53.880