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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and seventy one, published on

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February nineteen, twenty thirteen, and on today's score Zone Short

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Game Academy, The Wedge Guy is going to answer two

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questions focused on setting goals for your short game.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: We don't play honors here, we never have. We play

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hit when ready. If you're ready to hit, gall we'll

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go over how much she said Fred Go ahead, j

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d Bo.

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Speaker 4: You get on the green.

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Speaker 3: We line our pods up, We put and we try

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to put out if we can. We're not on someone's line,

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we try to go ahead and haul it.

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Speaker 4: It saves way more time.

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Speaker 3: All the marking and stuff takes a lot longer to

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do as well.

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Speaker 5: You know, shoot the r each foum and go drop

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it off.

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Speaker 6: You go to your ball, he.

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Speaker 3: Hits, he walks up, you're hit and he's up. To

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the cart ready to go again. Those things are huge.

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The other thing is we.

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Speaker 5: Don't ever mark the car until we get to the

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next hole.

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Speaker 3: Whoever's gonna be off last will mark the scores bright times.

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Speaker 5: He's done marking them, it's his turn to hit.

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Speaker 3: We ask people, what do you think your thing is

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that you do that makes you play faster?

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Speaker 4: And then came up with a lot of pece.

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Speaker 3: That's where we got a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: Where the pros go to practice the Palms Golf Club

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with Dsburger.

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Speaker 4: This is Golf.

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Speaker 2: Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals

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to help lower your score. It's worked for your host,

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Fred Green.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 5: JD Well, Thanks Fred, it's a real honor to be

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here on your show. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a greater honor to be at your golf course.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting that I say your golf course, because

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it really is.

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Speaker 4: The poems is really your golf course, isn't it? How

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did this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this has got an amazing story, and there's

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a one hundred stories that we have to tell in

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this place.

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Speaker 4: Let's start with the starting of.

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Speaker 3: It, Well, I've been in the golf business my entire life,

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so I've probably worked every facet of the business from

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daily feed, very exclusive, private to you know, Monic Kay

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one of the top three resorts in the world, to

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be a VP at PGUS and La Keith the Resort Club,

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and I just felt like I'd done all these things

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for everybody else. It'd be kind of nice to do

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something on my own and then I could do everything

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that I always wanted to do that you get turned

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down periodically.

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Speaker 4: So the Palms came.

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Speaker 3: Into existence through and it was kind of a long shot.

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Fouled a piece of property, went to the landowners and said,

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you know, I have this great plan and you'll make

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a lot of money, but I can't pay you, you know,

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till the back end of the project. And I just

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kind of said, check my my reputation, not you'll find

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him a man of my word, et cetera. But anyhow,

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long story short, that's kind of how it started. And

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I got with Saft Freddy Couples, and I said to Freddie,

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had I really need a favor, you know, helped you

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when he played his first tournament, his putter broke and

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I gave them one. They didn't make those anymore specific

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pink putter, and I had one, so I gave it

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to him and he won like three million dollars playing it.

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So I said, I need a little help from you, Freddie,

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And so I said, I need you to be part

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of this design team, and you know, I need you

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to cut me a break, which he did and anyhow

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ended up turned out great for him. He did real

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well and we did extremely well.

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Speaker 4: And how did you know fred Couples ahead of that.

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Speaker 3: I met him when he first turned pro at the

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Queen Mary Open. He was playing a practice round. We

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played a practice round together, Freddie and Larry Benson, who

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was the club pro there, was one of my best friends.

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And this kid shows up, you know, out of the

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University of Houston and wants to play golf and he says,

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how can I play in this tournament? We said, well,

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this is you know, for pros only.

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Speaker 5: You'd have to be a pro.

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Speaker 4: And he said, well then I guess I'll turn pro.

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Speaker 3: And he turned pro and a couple of weeks later

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he went to Q School and went all the way

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through Q school, got his card and the.

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Speaker 5: Rest is history.

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Speaker 1: So you wanted him to be part of your design

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team or just lend his name.

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Speaker 4: No, I want him to be part of the whole

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Speaker 3: And you know, plus naturally his name was terrific because

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I mean you look at it and there's only certain

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names that you can use that have any.

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Speaker 4: Possess to them, and uh, his his, he was one.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that you know I had I knew

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him and had a friendship there, and his agent in

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Roach was a wonderful person and easy to work.

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Speaker 5: With, and that added to everything.

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Speaker 3: So and Brian Curley was the true architect, and he

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and Freddie then collaborated together and uh, you know they

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were willing to, you know, do what I was looking

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to do. And then everybody had their input in it.

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That's what's kind of unique and different when you say everybody,

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Brian Curley, Freddie Couples.

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Speaker 4: And myself I thought on the design. Yeah, I wanted an.

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Speaker 3: Old style, back East type of golf course where you

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could play the ball on the ground. Freddie wanted to

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have some riviera, some Augusta places that he loved to

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play in there. And Brian Curley, you know, being a

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Northern Kelp guy, hey really wanted to have a little

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of that Monterey Peninsula.

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Speaker 5: So you just played the chorus. Fifteen's a short three

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par and sixteens.

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Speaker 3: Along three par fifteen sixteen, you know, the cypress thing.

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So we all put our little feedback in those first

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five holes in the Mesquite. We when Freddy went to

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play the President's cop, I said, Freddie, you know you

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could do some pictures and we can make those first

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five holes like Royal Melbourne and flashed those you know,

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bunkers right up into the Mesquite. And that's how that

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kind of came about. And Freddie wanted everybody to be

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able to hit a driver on every hole if you

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so desired, so that was another thing that kind of

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came into it. Brian wanted the George Thomas style bunkering

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that he loved, and so he had that. The only

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thing I asked was that they would be a flat bottom.

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have a flat bottom, it's relatively easy to get out,

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not necessarily get closed, but relatively easy to get out

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of the green complexes. You know, Brian did a magnificent

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job there in what he did with that. Those green

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surrounds are as good as you'll see anywhere. I mean

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there's shades of August, the Oakmont, Pinehurst, you name it,

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they're there. And so when you miss a green, the

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tour players, a lot of tour players will come in.

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They say, it's one of the few places you have

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like five different options.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can put it, you.

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Speaker 3: Can use a rescue, you can chip and run it,

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you can pitch it, or you can flop it. So

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it gives you a lot of options. The average player

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probably the eighteen handicappers, so he probably puts.

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Speaker 5: Almost every one of them up the hill.

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Speaker 7: From there handicap and take you well, even though we

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have such a low handicap, you know, we have two

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hundred and seventy eight single digit players here.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and is that like versus one of the lowest

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in the in the country naturally, And how many members

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do you have? We have four hundred and fifteen, four

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one five and two hundred and seventy eight of them

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are single digit players, single digit players. And at one time,

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at the peak when they were they were rating the

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top players clubs in the country. You know, fifty one

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of our players were pluses. Well, so we're all getting

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older now, So I mean that's faded a little bit.

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We're still number one players club in California, but we're

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probably still top five in the country. I mean, at

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one time we were at number one.

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Speaker 4: But that was never a goal I wanted to have.

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Speaker 3: You said, that wasn't a goal to be the number

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one players club or anything like that. The thing was

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is I wanted to have good players, you know, and

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I wanted a good players club that exceeded my expectation.

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Speaker 4: But I really built it as much.

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Speaker 3: I wanted a place where myself and all of my

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friends we could all grow old together.

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Speaker 4: You want, but not a boys club.

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Speaker 1: You wanted just a place to go hang out in

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the bar, but not a not an exclusive boys.

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Speaker 3: Club, and we have we have fifty two women members,

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and so it's kind of like a men's club with women.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to backtrack, just to touch but I

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want to get back into this part of it. But

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that's not even what we're going to talk about. And

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I want to talk about pace of play, because this

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is remarkable, this course. But you said you had a

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business plan that you took to the landowner, and what

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was specifically.

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Speaker 4: What did you pitch them on?

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Speaker 1: What was your idea on why this golf course was

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going to be unique and special.

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Speaker 3: Well, first I thought I was on crazy. There was

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already one hundred some golf courses here. But I said,

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I'm a niche type of person, you know, having worked

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for Lawrence Rockefeller, he was big on niches. He used

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to always say when I was at Monique, just remember JD.

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Speaker 5: We're for the fortunate few. We're not for everybody.

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Speaker 3: So that was my thought. I'm not going to be

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for everybody, but I'm going to be for the fortunate

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few that this is what they want. So I told

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them we're going to be an old style golf club,

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no tea times, fast play, where walking is embraced, so

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teas and greens will be close together.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we're not going.

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Speaker 3: To be about, you know, the parties and all that

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kind of stuff. It's going to be an open tee

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so you're never blocked out. We're going to have two

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tournaments only it's gonna be a stroke playing a match play,

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and you still can play in the afternoons on those days,

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so you never blocked out. So when you show up

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at the club, you can play and you know there's

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going to be fast play because the teas and greens

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are close together. So what I did to ensure the

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face of play the first year or two, I would

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put right on on the card if a person was

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taking a card, if they were teeing off at eight o'clock,

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I'd write eight o'clock, nine to fifty, right, and then

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eleven fifty. And that meant that you're teed off at eight,

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you need to be at the turn at nine to

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fifty because the front nine takes like an iron fifty

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minutes to play max, and the back nine's longer, so

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it'll take two hours to play. And so three hours

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and fifty minutes became the max that you were allowed. Okay,

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And then we ended up with the average rounds being

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about foursomes that were like three hours and thirty to

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three hours and thirty two minutes, okay, threesomes or three

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hours or less. Club Championship Okay, we played threesomes or

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twosomes and the rounds are three and a half hours

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or less every round. Now, guys, the first time they

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played in our Club Championship, when they get in, they

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say can.

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Speaker 5: I use your office, They get on the phone, they

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call their.

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Speaker 3: Buddy, and now say, you're not going to believe this,

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you know, unlike our place where we played in five

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hours plus in the club, I just played a club

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championship and I played in three hours, three hours and

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thirty minutes, and you're putting everything out the whole bit,

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you know it was it was pretty awesome. So once

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everybody knew that you met business and you were for

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real on it, it really worked. Plus, you know, one

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in seven or is a split te so we know

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that you need to be and at iron fifteen minutes,

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you need to be t and off of number seven.

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So when they come off of six, we'll just walk

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over and say, you know, you need to pick up

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the pace a little bit, mister Jones, and in a

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way you go with it.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's very nice of you not to say, mister Green,

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I have to worry about that you were in good shape.

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Speaker 3: But that's kind of the way that came about Fred

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and so then it became a culture. Now this is

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one of the cute stories. I'm playing on a Saturday

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and Lee Trevino, George Archer and myself and Johnny Pott.

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We're teeing off of number one and four ladies go

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out with the push carts in front of us, and

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Lee looks at me and says, j D, what are

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you doing to us?

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Speaker 5: I said, Lee, we won't catch him. I can promise

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you that. Oh come on, j D, I can't go

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Leah's right, So.

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Speaker 3: You know, they tee off and we go, and within

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three holes they got in their walking stride. We finished

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around in three hours and thirty minutes and we never

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caught them. Well after that, Lee became my biggest spokesperson because.

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Speaker 5: One he said, this golf.

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Speaker 3: Course is phenomenal because you can grow old on it.

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And I said, well, what do you mean by that

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lead He said, well, you can play your ball on

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the ground. You can bump and run it in if

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you want. You can run it up on five pars,

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going for it in two.

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Speaker 5: He says.

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Speaker 3: You know, as you get older, you don't hit the

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ball as high, so with your greens down on the

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ground all school and openings, you can bump and run

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it in there. But he said, the surrounds, you know,

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the green complexes, create all the resistance of scoring you'd

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ever want. He says, at the same time, all the

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pros said you could play a major here, You could

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play the open whatever if it wasn't that you're in

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a desert where it'd be one hundred and ten degrees.

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Speaker 5: At that time.

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Speaker 3: And then he's over at the hotel and working out

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in the gym, and he's telling everybody, you can't believe it.

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I just played the pumps and these four ladies went

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out in front of us, and we played in three

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hours and thirty minutes and we.

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Speaker 4: Never caught them.

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Speaker 3: So it became like, you know, you can't believe how

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fast as ladies play at the pumps. So it became

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a thing where it's the only club I know that

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the guys will actually tell the ladies, you know, if

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you want to go ahead and tee it up and go,

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because they know that they're going to walk and go

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and get it done. So that's telling you that our

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lady members are serious type golfers and serious type players.

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Speaker 5: So it's been kind of fun to happen.

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Speaker 4: Then, oh yeah, I'm a big believer.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big, big believer Fred that this slow play

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is hurting the game more than anything else.

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Speaker 5: So you know.

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Speaker 3: Everybody talks about we need six hole courses all this,

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well we have that first six holes comes right back

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to the clubhouse right.

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Speaker 5: Well, after the guys played that game of ours.

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Speaker 3: The nine handicap or lesque game, they settle their bets

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and they redraw teams and they go play what they

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call the East Six, and then they all gather behind

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six and they heckle each other, coming in the last

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all right, and all balls, kind of the.

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Speaker 5: Last hall, and the winning team takes all well.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of young guys at work that

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come right after work just to play the East Six

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Monday through Friday, and so they get some golfing. So

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you know, we've been very very lucky that way. I mean,

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average age is forty seven, so you know we're still

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have a pretty young group.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about your rules for pay to play.

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This is a This is a I don't want to

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say that it's an exclusive club because PGA West is

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right around the corner, and that's incredibly exclusive. Expensive to

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live there, expensive to play there. You have private equity

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club memberships here, but it's not outrageously priced for what's

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going on.

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Speaker 4: In private clubs today. But you don't have social things.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a swimming pool or a tennis court,

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so or parties and things this is a golf club.

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Speaker 4: Part of your initial idea.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Fred, It's you know, being.

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Speaker 4: A single member membership club.

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Speaker 3: You know, we play about eighteen thousand rounds a year,

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eighteen and change, and you know that creates a nice

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ambience to the course. So we have no tea time,

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so you can put your name in and you're out

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in thirty minutes or less. And you know, you experienced

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it today with your friends and that's just the right

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amount of time to warm up and get ready to go.

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Speaker 4: And so it's worked well.

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Speaker 6: I'm in.

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Speaker 3: Our initiation fee currently is twenty thousand dollars. We've always

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been in the thirties as a big believer that we

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didn't We wanted us to be truly an additional club

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for most people. There's probably one hundred of our members

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it's their primary club, but the rest of them belong

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to other places. And you know, I felt like that

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initiation fee, if you kept it reasonable in the wholl bit,

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it made it a.

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Speaker 5: Lot easier to be that additional club.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is, I mean what happens is

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it really fed my niche because it's kind of like

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the higher the price to higher the handicap to higher

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the age normally. Okay, so by having a lower price

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the initiation fee. You know, our low was forty two

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years old was the average age, excuse me.

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Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 3: Our handicap six point nine was our average index was

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our lowest and our highest is probably right around nine

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that we've ever been. So you know, our average indexes

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has been pretty low. So we've attracted good players. The

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pace of play has met a lot. The good practice

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facilities big.

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Speaker 5: They hit a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of balls.

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Speaker 3: When you leave tonight, it'll be dark and you'll hear

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guys hitting balls in the dark.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're that fanatical about their game.

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Speaker 1: So guys and women and even the fifty you have,

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these are very serious players. And because it's not like

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there's a husband and wife on a Saturday afternoon, you know,

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the people, if you're going.

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Speaker 4: To join, you're in into it. And even the women

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they're like, I want to get out there.

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Speaker 3: So this morning they were there. They all walked and

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you know, they were done in no time. And they

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have their little games that they do, and we're known

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for games.

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Speaker 5: We have a lot of games.

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Speaker 3: It's very easy access into the games, and I think

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that's a unique thing about the place. So many places

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I get clickie shit, and so there's nothing wrong with

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any of that. That's why there's all the different opportunities

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in different type clubs that there are out there. We

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happen to be this one little niche. I like to

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think that this niche.

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Speaker 5: Of ours is very small. But it's not shrinking.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's good, that's well. The other is shrinking.

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Speaker 1: You have this These are your place mats for your

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for your bar, and it talks about some of the

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members without giving names here, but I'm just going to

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run through a couple and this is the kind of

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people that are staying that that belonged to the poems.

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Speaker 4: And it was.

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Speaker 1: Because of what you led me up to this before

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we played, and you were telling me and you were

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showing me some of your trophy cases. And you've got

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amazing memorabilia that your members just say here, put this

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up in here, memori of our members.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of your members.

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Speaker 1: You have six Master's titles, a US Open title, British

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two British Open titles, UH one hundred and twenty one

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PGA Tour victories, twenty four LPGA Tour wins, four Presidents,

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Cup captains, a writer, Cup Captain, and he just goes

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on and on and on the type of people that

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play here.

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Speaker 8: One of the unique things fred is right behind me

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is a picture of Holli Stacy and my wife and

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my daughter and myself from last May when she got

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inducted into World Golf Hall of Fame, and Freddie's going

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in this May, so that'll be that'll make four of

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our members that are in the World Golf Hall.

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Speaker 4: Of Fame, the World Golf Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: And congratulations you just were recently inducted into the Southern

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California PGA Hall of Fame. Yeah, correct, congratulations, that's really impressive.

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Speaker 3: And we have Theme Beam and Arnold Palmer, Freddy Couples

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and Holli Stacy. So it's as pretty unique and special

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in its own rights.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you're right, it's pretty fun. It really is.

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Speaker 1: But so when we get back to the conversation of

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pace of play, hopefully there are other course designers, course managers,

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you know, companies that are coming to you saying how do.

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Speaker 4: You do it?

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Speaker 1: Because the pace of play really is an issue for

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so many people, especially who play public courses weekend golf.

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It's so difficult to get around it seems like in

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under five hours, it's impossible.

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Speaker 4: But you have.

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Speaker 1: A sheet here and that you simple ways to quicken

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your pace of play. And I guess this is something

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that you get to every member, and it's like every

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new member and is like you probably give them tests

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and have them committed to memory.

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Speaker 3: Well no, not really, I don't go that's strong one,

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but you know, we do give that to them. And

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I have taken a few people off periodically it seemed

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that they might have struggled with the pace of play,

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and then all of a sudden they realize, God, I

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never am ready to play, is what it is.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: I never have my glove on, I never have my yard.

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I can get all those things before it's my turn

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to go, you know, and.

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Speaker 4: Just little things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Really, And it's amazing because I played with two friends

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today and when none of us played very well today.

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We were all struggling because we're all working on swing

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mechanics right now, but we're all struggling. But we came

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in and we all barely broke a hundred. But we

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came in at three hours and fifty minutes. I was

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I was just shocked because I felt like we were,

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you know, holding people up, you know, but we didn't

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spend a lot of time looking for balls. I didn't

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lose a single ball today. Actually went on eighteen. I

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put one in the creek, but it was in right there.

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It was three inches deep, so that I even reminded

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my friends who were in a cart.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see anybody walking today, Well they walked in

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the morning I had. I had.

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Speaker 3: Six guys walk today and uh seven ladies. So I

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had fifteen people walk today.

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Speaker 1: Out of how many rounds today. Because do most people

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just take the cards? Well you have you think you

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promote the walking.

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Speaker 4: Our plays walking. Yeah, it's not. It's not a hilly course.

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Speaker 5: I mean, easy to walk. It's just that the convenience,

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you know, the carts are included in your douce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guys will take the card as well, you know,

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but it just depends if you have If you're the

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only one walking, then it doesn't work. If there's if

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there's more than one walking in your group, then they walk.

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Speaker 5: That's what you find.

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Speaker 3: So what you'll see is that all of a sudden

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someone will say I'm going to take a card today

479
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and then the other guys said, well, there I'm going

480
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to ride to.

481
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 5: I'm not going to walk.

482
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably.

483
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: We probably average you know, about fifteen to sixteen walkers

484
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,960
per day twenty max.

485
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,079
Speaker 1: Let's go over a couple of these rules, because I

486
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,119
think that everybody should know them, you know, whether they're

487
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,000
playing here or not. They should really make this part

488
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,519
of their round of golf and it would help everybody.

489
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,880
And my friends were in one cart and I was

490
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,359
in the other, and I kept reminding them of the

491
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,599
one that you had was don't sit here waiting for

492
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,240
your friend to hit the ball and then go to

493
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,880
your ball, drop him off, and even if you're not

494
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,799
driving the cart, drop him off at his ball, and

495
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:31,480
then drive up to your ball and play ready golf.

496
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,240
I mean, bottom line, play ready golf. It don't have

497
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,839
to worry about honors, You don't have to worry. Everyone's

498
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,079
going to get to play. So let's talk about some

499
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,240
of the rules that you have and some of the

500
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,119
reminders that you want to share with everybody about about

501
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,519
how to pick up their pace of play.

502
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 4: And they're enjoyment without rushing. I never felt rushed.

503
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: Well, you know, they riding a cart properly is huge.

504
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,720
We don't play honors here. We never have we play

505
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,960
hit when ready. If you're ready to hit, Gala look

506
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,839
over her emotions said, Fred, you care if I go

507
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,480
go go ahead, JD Boom, I'll.

508
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 5: Hit you get on the green. You know.

509
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: We line our pots up, we put we try to

510
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,759
put out. If we can't, if we're not on someone's line,

511
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:22,599
we try to go ahead and hould it. It saves,

512
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,799
we know, way more time when you do that. All

513
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,720
the marking and stuff takes a lot longer to do as.

514
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:30,319
Speaker 5: Well, you know.

515
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 3: And like you said that dropping the person off and

516
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,079
having the clubs, you know, shoot the yardage for him

517
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,359
and go drop it off. You go to your ball,

518
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,759
he hits, he walks up, you're hitting, he's up to

519
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,119
the cart ready to go again.

520
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 5: And I mean those.

521
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: Things are huge. The other thing is, you know, marking

522
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:55,200
the scorecard. That's why hitting, you know, we don't ever

523
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,000
mark the car until we get to the next hole.

524
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,640
You know, the next hole, whoever is, whoever's gonna bee

525
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,119
off last, will mark the scores. Everybody else hits. Then

526
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,200
by the time he's done marking them, it's his turn

527
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,480
to hit. So we do a lot of little things

528
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:11,920
like that.

529
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: That's just a few of them.

530
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean you could pick some more off of there

531
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,000
that might be of interest to you.

532
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:19,079
Speaker 5: Specifically.

533
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: But what we tried to do was get players and

534
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,319
say what we asked people what was, what do you

535
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,720
think your thing is that you do that makes you

536
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:29,640
play faster?

537
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,319
Speaker 5: And that came up with a lot of these. That's

538
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:33,319
where we got a lot of them.

539
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: Wasn't just you know me, It was you know, gathering

540
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,920
info from your people that play fast. So, hey, what

541
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,480
do you do well? I don't do this, you know,

542
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,480
I don't mark my score. What's the guy's putting the

543
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,200
score down? Get off the green so the other guy

544
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:53,559
can hit, you know, mark the score the next tea box.

545
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,880
I mean little things that eventually think and you know

546
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,240
that's why walking, you know, you even play quicker because

547
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,920
you can do your talking and telling your stories while

548
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,039
you're walking down the fairway, as opposed to you know,

549
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,039
the guys will a lot of times you'll see them

550
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:15,480
on the T box I want to tell a story

551
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:16,119
or whatever.

552
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 5: That it just slows.

553
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:18,519
Speaker 4: Everything down right right.

554
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:23,519
Speaker 1: And I've always noticed that when when you're in a cart,

555
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:28,880
you really focused on hit the ball, drive the ball,

556
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,160
hit the ball, drive the ball. And with a course

557
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,640
like this that is so beautiful, I could I would

558
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,200
love to come back and walk it because you just

559
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,799
want to absorb every step.

560
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,359
Speaker 4: And it's not like it's flat. I mean you don't

561
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,519
have a lot of flat lies, a lot of movement,

562
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:50,920
but no severe up and downhill zone. Right, it's kind

563
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,440
of gradual. If you look at it and.

564
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: Did you do that in the design of the course,

565
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,359
you you gave it all that. This this course to

566
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,720
me was a phenomen I mean it was fair, it

567
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,880
was tough, but it's a phenomenal test of the short game.

568
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have a good short game, you know

569
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,680
you can play and be competitive here always, and it's

570
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:17,319
going to expose your weakness this golf course. If you

571
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,119
have a weakness, you won't be able to hide it

572
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:20,559
too long.

573
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:21,599
Speaker 5: It'll expose it.

574
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:28,079
Speaker 3: And most players say that their short games get better

575
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:33,279
here and when they leave here and play elsewhere, it's

576
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,880
almost like shooting ducks and a barrel because you go

577
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,079
they're almost like catchers midst the greens everywhere else here

578
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,880
they're like inverted saucers. You know, you have that two

579
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,880
or three foot area to land your ball.

580
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 5: If you go long. Of that, it goes long. If

581
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,839
you go short, it could come back to you.

582
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: So that's why I said, the average player will pot

583
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,640
the ball up the hill most.

584
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,599
Speaker 5: Of the time and just take the bogie and go

585
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,480
to the next fall.

586
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 4: We're part of a couple screens. Wow, And the greens are.

587
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,759
Speaker 3: Large, Yeah, they're they're actually they're small by today's standards,

588
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,400
but they average about fifty one hundred and chaine square feet,

589
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:21,200
which by today's standards are small, but they're still big

590
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,400
in their own right.

591
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: The other thing I thought was very interesting is that you're.

592
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 1: Your yardage markers on the course at the front ende

593
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,759
are to the front edge, and then in the car

594
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,480
it tells you you know how far green? Yeah, up

595
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:40,240
to the pin from the front edge. Why that I've

596
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,960
never seen that before. Well, if you play tour events.

597
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: People that play tour events, okay, you're always are getting

598
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,079
the yardage at the front edge of the green, and

599
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,440
you want to know the front edge of the green,

600
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,920
you know, because the green's usually firm, so you know, okay,

601
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,880
there's the front depends on twenty. I want to land

602
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,960
five yards under the green, so you add five to

603
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,640
that front yard each and then you have the depth

604
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,079
of the back of the green, because you know, if

605
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,480
the pin is towards the back, you want to know

606
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,359
how much green you have left behind that pin.

607
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 5: So that's the reason we did it like that.

608
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,279
Speaker 3: We wanted our players to experience what they I call

609
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,839
the pro experience, so our amateurs experience what the pros.

610
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:26,839
Speaker 5: Play under all the time.

611
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,039
Speaker 3: So you have the depth of the green, you have

612
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,480
a pin sheet every day it gives how far the

613
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:35,799
pin is on the green. And then you have a

614
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:39,200
front yard each as well. So if you want to

615
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,160
play a front yard each, you can. If you want

616
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640
to play a middle yard each, you know it.

617
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,559
Speaker 1: It's for the guys who really can do pinpoint accuracy,

618
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,960
hunt and where.

619
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: And even if you're bouncing your ball in you want

620
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
to know. Okay, you know, when I was first playing,

621
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,519
a couple of times, I used to play a lot

622
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,799
of tournament golf with Bob Win, who's now the cease

623
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,799
was I on both tours and Bob was a member here,

624
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:05,880
and one time we're sitting on this five par and

625
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,079
I'm like, God, I can't can't reach it.

626
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 5: He's what do you mean you can't reach it?

627
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,519
Speaker 3: I said, Wow, it's too sixty eight or whatever that

628
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,039
a pin, he says, But look at the front yardage.

629
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,799
Front yards is only two thirty nine, he says. You

630
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,680
can get the ball, scoot it up on the front,

631
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:27,559
let it run in there. And then that started me

632
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,200
thinking front yardages. And that's when I realized, Wow, these

633
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,720
guys really think about that front yard each and if

634
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,559
you watch them on TV, they're always say, well, it's

635
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,160
one fifteen to the front, one twenty two to the pin.

636
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: You know that crest is one thirty one. You can

637
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,680
spin it back off of there, you know what I mean.

638
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: So they have that and if you noticed our greens,

639
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,519
there's a lot of movement in our greens. So like

640
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,319
you know when you saw Tiger's shot go in on

641
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,720
sixteen where the ball hesitated and it fell in, Well,

642
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,799
we have a lot of that kind of action on

643
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,200
our greens. You could play away from the hole and

644
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,839
it'll come all the way back. So it's kind of

645
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,000
the more you play it, the more you understand, you know,

646
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,400
the option you have for it.

647
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,079
Speaker 1: I got to ask you about the name of the course,

648
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:23,279
the Palms. There's spectacular views everywhere, and I've played courses

649
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,640
that have a lot of trees, but this course has

650
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,200
is just lined with palm trees. Were those planted or

651
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400
were those? Are those natural? And they were here?

652
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:35,279
Speaker 4: It's a combination.

653
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Fred there was the far eastern end of the property

654
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,960
was a date orchard, so we left those date palms there,

655
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,200
and as we cut the fairways between those date palms,

656
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,000
we then moved those date palms to other.

657
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,119
Speaker 5: Areas of the course.

658
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: The middle area of the course was a farm they

659
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,720
grew egg plant things like that, and then the far

660
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:03,440
western part was ranch so and then the very back

661
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,880
was all that mosquite where they go dove hunting. So

662
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400
I saved the as as much mosquite as I could

663
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,440
transplanted to palm trees.

664
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,519
Speaker 4: We ended up with.

665
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: Two thousand fully grown palms of forty to sixty feet.

666
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,840
I don't know how much mosquites in that mosquite area.

667
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:29,320
Then we added another three hundred indigenous trees of mosquites,

668
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,840
California peppers, jack Aranda's things like that.

669
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: It's what I found fascinating is like, you know, I've

670
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,400
played courses in the low hanging you got to get

671
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,320
under the tree and things like that. But these palms

672
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,880
they're just you know, they're just straight tall with a

673
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,719
little bush up on top of it. It looks like

674
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:51,320
but it's almost like you're hitting through a hair brush,

675
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,320
you know. I mean, you've got rows and rows of them,

676
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,360
and if you get caught behind or in the middle of.

677
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: This, it's not easy to get through.

678
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,559
Speaker 1: And it's this course can be very intimidating, especially when

679
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,039
you look at all the memories are and stuff. But

680
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,840
you get into places like that and it's a real

681
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,119
challenge to your head too. I mean, the metal game

682
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,559
here is just as important as your short game.

683
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: It seems like, well, yeah, I mean, it's one of

684
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,519
those places that once it's say you had some problems

685
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,480
chipping even and all of a sudden, that'll like stay

686
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,159
in your mind for a while, you know, and and

687
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,559
then you know, once you three put a hole then

688
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,840
and that's like in your mind. Now you're a nervous

689
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,400
wreck about it because you know you got so much

690
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,159
up and down it goes extremely fast, and and you

691
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,800
know it's the greens are usually about eleven, but you know,

692
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,039
downhill can be fourteen, you know what I mean, and

693
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,519
then uphill is probably ten or something. Right, So you

694
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,000
got that you have a four foot change between uphill

695
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:00,119
and downhill.

696
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,159
Speaker 4: And you said every fifteen.

697
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,639
Speaker 3: Feet, every fifteenth footer when they blue lined it, they

698
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:06,960
said it was a double break.

699
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:08,559
Speaker 4: And this is now.

700
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: This was Mark Sweeney of any Point Golf, who's recently

701
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,679
on Golf Smarter.

702
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: Well, Mark was here. We had a great time. He

703
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,119
did a clinic for the members, and he actually it

704
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,320
was kind of funny because I wanted this to be

705
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,679
like a poor man's Oakmont because I'm from Pittsburgh and

706
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:32,239
it's my favorite course in the world, Oakmon. So he

707
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,719
said to me, not knowing that, he said to me,

708
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,559
these were the hardest greens I ever blue lined out

709
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:38,960
of than.

710
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: Oakmont in Pittsburgh.

711
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: So it was kind of funny. So it kind of

712
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,639
felt like a mission accomplished.

713
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, mission accomplished big time.

714
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: It's a it's a beautiful track.

715
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: And boy, if you ever get a chance, if you

716
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:57,159
know somebody and you get a chance to get an

717
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,000
invitation to come out and play, don't miss the opportunity.

718
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 6: Unity.

719
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of golf in the Palm Desert, Palm Springs, Rancho, Mirage,

720
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,719
Laquinta area again with PGA West just around the corner

721
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,920
with six golf courses, but this is a very very

722
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,320
special place. Congratulations and thanks so much for today and

723
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,920
for your time.

724
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:20,039
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Fred.

725
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 9: It's just a real pleasure to be with you, and

726
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:32,840
I appreciate the opportunity.

727
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,199
Speaker 1: Well, we go from an amazing golf course to playing

728
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,519
on the golf course. And the thing that was so

729
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:42,239
interesting about the Palms it's you got to have a

730
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,199
short game, and you've got to.

731
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: Be able to work your short game.

732
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: Well, we want you to work on your short game too,

733
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,679
and that's why we have the wedge guy, Terry Taylor,

734
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:54,719
CEO of Score Golf here for our Score Golf Short

735
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,599
Game Academy.

736
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 6: Hello Terry, Hi Fred, how are you.

737
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. How has the buzz been after the

738
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,079
PGA show.

739
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: Oh, we got a tiger by the tail. We have really.

740
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,039
Speaker 10: Shaken up the whole short end of the set with

741
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,000
this approach we're making with Score and we just finished

742
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:17,559
some robotic testing on ironbron which was really pretty fascinating

743
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:22,119
on quantifying what happens off of various golf clubs in

744
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,039
the high loft area end of the set, and we

745
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,480
found out we've got a distinct competitive advantage with the

746
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,920
way we design these golf clubs, so kind of tease

747
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,079
up that part of the of the of the listeners

748
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,639
that are wondering about how do I score the golf

749
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:39,199
course better?

750
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 6: We're going to have some good stuff for you.

751
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: Awesome well, and this person of the show, if you're

752
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,480
new to what we're doing here, Terry wants to answer

753
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,639
your questions about your short game because he's been playing

754
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,679
his entire life, he's been designing clubs for longer than that,

755
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,039
and he's got a phenomenal product now in the Score

756
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:02,000
forty one sixty one scoring. And so if you send

757
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:04,320
in your question, if you go to golfsmarter dot com

758
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,880
and click on the score Zone Short Game Academy button,

759
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,039
you'll be able to submit a question. And if Terry

760
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:15,679
answers your question on this podcast, you will receive a

761
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,239
customized free score forty one sixty one wedge. It'll be

762
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,840
customized to your game, to your set, to how you

763
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,719
play the game. It's incredible how they do it. And

764
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,360
the first question that we have actually we're gonna I

765
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,400
think we're gonna try to do two questions today. But

766
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,360
Anthony Coletto of Mount Prospect, Illinois, Congratulations, We're gonna ask

767
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,920
your question, and you are going to get a chance

768
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,119
to start playing with a score forty one sixty one

769
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,159
wedge of your choice. But I promise you once you

770
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,000
start playing with it, you're gonna want to put the

771
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,840
other four in your bag. So Anthony's question, Terry, is

772
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,679
I struggle with distance. He talks about other things about

773
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:55,599
his friends making fun of him and losing bets, but

774
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,800
he says, I struggle with distance and direction with anything

775
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,800
less than a nine nine.

776
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,559
Speaker 10: Well, Anthony, welcome to the club, because about two thirds

777
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,880
of the guy on the tour have the same problem.

778
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,639
Believe it or not, We've been doing a real deep

779
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,639
analysis of PGA tour statistics and what we found is Anthony,

780
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,559
and hopefully this will help you feel better about it.

781
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,719
But then we're going to fix your issues. But the

782
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,840
PGA Tour on approach shots outside of nine iron range

783
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,000
that's one fifty and out are very very close to

784
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,800
each other. The difference for example, in eight and nine

785
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,880
iron seven iron range for the best guy on tour

786
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,599
to the number one seventy five guys only eight feet

787
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,719
further from the hole on average. These guys are also

788
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440
good with the full swings, but like your problem that

789
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,679
you're expressing. When they start getting down under one fifty

790
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:49,719
and these guys are starting to manipulate nine irons and wedges,

791
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,440
they start the differences I call it between the haves

792
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,679
and have nots begins to get very wide. And I

793
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,320
think that there's several reasons for that, Anthony, And one

794
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,119
of those is is that we've all been groomed into

795
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:05,920
a modern power game. And I was just out on

796
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,039
the driving range this afternoon watching a couple of our

797
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,639
high school kids out there who can't break ninety, just

798
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,400
seeing how hard they could hit five irons and drivers.

799
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,119
And I was kind of kiddling with them, and I'm

800
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,000
off on a little tangent here, but there was a

801
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,239
sophomore girl that was over there next to them, who's

802
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,880
probably the best junior player in our town. And I said,

803
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,840
you guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves, because that

804
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,880
sixteen year old girl and this sixty one year old

805
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,559
man can both beat you like a drum while y'all

806
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,119
are heading at fifty yards by us.

807
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,119
Speaker 6: Yea cold man, it is cold, but anyway.

808
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,159
Speaker 10: So but the point I'm making, Anthony, is we've turned

809
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,679
everything into this power game, and everybody's swinging everything so hard,

810
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,960
and the manufacturers are cranking the iron lost down. Most

811
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,400
of the new game improvement irons on the market or

812
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,519
this year or another degree or too stronger than they

813
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,320
were last year because everybody's so power crazy, and the

814
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,280
high loft golf clubs do not respond well to a

815
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,239
hard golf swing. And the reason your distance and your

816
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,599
direction are off is partly due to the fact that

817
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,159
you've learned to hit these longer clubs so hard, and

818
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,280
these high loft golf clubs don't respond well. So my

819
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,519
first advice to you is go out to the range.

820
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:18,159
If this is the part of your game. Never go

821
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,480
to the driving range again with anything more than a

822
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,320
nine iron until you get this right. Practice this part

823
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,400
of your game and learn how to hit a nice

824
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,360
control swing with your short clubs you're nine in pitch,

825
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,760
so that you can get that direction down and make

826
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,960
a good consistent impact. And a couple of tips on

827
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,440
short iron play. Golfers tend to crowd the golf ball

828
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,119
too much. You still need to swing this golf club

829
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,920
around your bodies. And I'm assuming maybe that you hit

830
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,480
everything else pretty acceptably, but you're struggling with this, but

831
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:53,880
the golf club still has to go around your body.

832
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,880
It's still a circular motion. It's somewhat horizontal, and golfers

833
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,639
tend to pick the club straight up and go straight down,

834
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,559
So work on getting your swing around your body. These

835
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,800
clubs are also very short, and work on making sure

836
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,119
you keep the width in your golf swing. Make sure

837
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:13,599
you get a nice extension from your left side, get

838
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,719
an extension going away from the ball, get an extension

839
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,280
going through the ball, so you flatten your swing arc

840
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,559
out through the bottom of the golf swing. Those are

841
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,920
two very basic fundamentals. The third one I'm going to

842
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,159
add in there is when it's more important than these

843
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,679
than any other club in your bag, is to really

844
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,039
feel like you're pulling the club through the ball with

845
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,320
your left side. Let your right side be pretty passive

846
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,360
and feel like you're pulling the ball through with your

847
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,079
left side. Those are your swing tips. But what Fred

848
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,400
didn't mention, and I'm looking at your question. Your last

849
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,360
point was could it be equipment? And I'm going to

850
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,880
tell you, yes, it very well could be your equipment.

851
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,400
And I don't know what you play, but probability is

852
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,039
you're playing the cavvyback set of golf clubs that you're

853
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:01,079
nine in your p club look like your six iron,

854
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:03,559
and the six iron is designed with all the weight

855
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,639
low in the club and a thin face to get

856
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:08,000
that twenty eight to twenty nine degree golf club up

857
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,400
in the air. When you get to your nine in

858
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,199
your pitch, you've already got a lot of loft that

859
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,360
club is going in the air. But the iron manufacturers

860
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,760
continue to insist that the nine in the pitch should

861
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,039
look like a six iron. We've learned with Hybridge that

862
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,800
the three in the four shouldn't look like a six

863
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,639
iron anymore. It makes no sense that the nine in

864
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,880
the pitch should look like a six iron. I'm going

865
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,719
to ask you to do something, Anthony. Go to one

866
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,440
of your friends who plays a blade. Go to one

867
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,159
of your assistant pros who plays a blade. Put their

868
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,440
nine in their pitch in your bag and play around

869
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,599
or two even if the shaft doesn't fit, even if

870
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,719
it's not the right specs, and watch what happens to

871
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,280
your distance and direction. I think you're going to see

872
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,599
an improvement. So the equipment to be part of the issue.

873
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,559
You're swinging too hard. Probably that's part of the issue.

874
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,440
You're crowding the ball and swinging too upright could be

875
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,800
a part of the issue. But I'm also going to

876
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,159
share one other thing with you and everybody else listening.

877
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,840
Wedge design that we have in this decade looks very

878
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,480
similar to what we had sixty years ago.

879
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 6: And it's just a.

880
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 10: Phenomenal thing that that one club is not changed in

881
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,840
what golfers of all strength profiles and all skilled profiles

882
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,960
fight our ballooning trajectories and inconsistent distance. And we just

883
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,559
finished some robotic testing of the top two selling wedges

884
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:33,239
in the market and ours, and we found with conventional

885
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,000
wedges that moving the point of impact up and down

886
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,800
the face even a quarter or two and a half

887
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,719
an inch, can result in a fifteen to twenty five

888
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,320
foot distance loss.

889
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 6: It's not your fault, it's the golf club's fault.

890
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:47,599
Speaker 4: Wow.

891
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 10: And this is a story we're telling out there. And

892
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480
I'm going to put a shameless plug in here, but

893
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,360
our score forty one sixty one wedges and short terns

894
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,920
were designed to bring trajectories down and improved distance control.

895
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,159
What we found is we have improved this distance loss

896
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,400
from thirty to thirty five feet to less than fifteen

897
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
just by the design of the golf club head. And

898
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,599
I'm going to relate that back over to the hybrid.

899
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,599
We designed cavity back long irons with the two and

900
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:19,679
the three on the bottom of them for forty years

901
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,960
and never found a way to make one that people

902
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,360
could hit.

903
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 6: Yep, but lo and behold.

904
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,119
Speaker 10: Ten years ago, somebody had the bright idea of squishing

905
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,400
down a metalwood and making that eighteen to twenty to

906
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,159
twenty four degree golf club looked like a little squished

907
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:36,880
up metalwood. And now everybody can hit those low loft

908
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,000
golf clubs up in the air.

909
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 4: And you're seeing more noise.

910
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,519
Speaker 6: Design a low loft golf club.

911
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're seeing more and more of those on

912
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:43,920
the tour too.

913
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 4: A lot of players to use the hybrid.

914
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 10: These hybrids are like cheating. They're so easy to hit. Likewise,

915
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,519
when you get into the high loft golf clubs, that

916
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,480
shouldn't look like a six iron meter and that shouldn't

917
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:59,440
look like a wedge that's looked the same since nineteen fifties.

918
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:01,199
Speaker 6: And something to think.

919
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,079
Speaker 10: About, Anthony, and I don't know how far you try

920
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,440
to hit a sandwich or a gap wedge. But Ben

921
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,800
Hogan said the maximum distance for a sandwich was forty yards,

922
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,960
and he played a sandwich that's almost identical in weight

923
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,400
distribution to anything that's in the wedge racking the stores today.

924
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,119
And Hogan wouldn't hit it over forty yards. You have

925
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,239
no buiness trying to hit it over forty yards either.

926
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you hear guys like, oh, this is

927
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,400
a part three and you're watching the tour on TV.

928
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,480
This is a part three. It's one hundred and eighty

929
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,920
two yards, and he's got a pitching wedge in his hand.

930
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,039
Speaker 10: It's like what And these guys all go at it

931
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,360
so hard, And like I said, it would surprise you

932
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,119
if you want to entertain yourself on a snowy. You

933
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,679
live in Illinois, so you're not in golf whether yet, Anthony,

934
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,199
go into the PGA tour dot com website, go to

935
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,760
statistics and look at that proximity to the hole on

936
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,079
approach shots and look how wide the difference gets from

937
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,880
one tour player to another inside ninine range one twenty

938
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,559
five to one fifty five versus how tight these guys

939
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,199
are in proximity the whole between one fifty and two

940
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,800
fifty do.

941
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,639
Speaker 1: You mind if the second question really leads into what

942
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:19,320
you were just discussing. John Pappas of Santa Rosa, California,

943
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,039
says that he's a twelve handicap and he's trying to

944
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,079
set some realistic goals for his pitching, chipping and sand shots.

945
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:29,480
He says, so, how close on average should I be

946
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:33,280
hitting my pitching, chipping and sand shots from thirty yards?

947
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,000
And in now, I don't know how to answer a

948
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,320
question how close on average you want to get when

949
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,840
you're at thirty yards and then you want to get

950
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,920
everything inside of tap in range?

951
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 6: I guess, well, but that's not a realist. You have

952
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,199
to be a realist with your expectation.

953
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,119
Speaker 10: And if you look at let's look at the tour

954
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,599
stats and say that that, let's go where the tour

955
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:56,760
guys are from fifty to seventy five yards. These are

956
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,280
the best guys in the world. And this is kind

957
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,840
of related. I'm gonna throw this in there, but if

958
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,800
what's really interesting is to look at how many shots

959
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,000
on average these guys had from fifty to seventy five yards,

960
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,360
and the average guy on tour for all of twenty

961
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,119
twelve had less than twenty shots from fifty to seventy

962
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,360
five yards. The marrawl of that story is these guys

963
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,519
don't lay up to that range because it's a really

964
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,400
hard range. They're smarter than that. But when you're around

965
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,280
the greens, here's the rule of thumb that I would say.

966
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,440
If you're inside thirty yards, and that goes all the

967
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,519
way from the fringe out to thirty yards, those shots

968
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,760
are going to be divided into two categories. One is

969
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,320
very difficult. You got a flop shot over a bunker

970
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,280
to a close cut pen. Two pretty routine. You've got

971
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,079
a twenty yard pitch shot. Greens wide open. It's not

972
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:51,880
overly undulating. If you play to a fifteen handicaper higher,

973
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,519
I think that your goal should be fifteen to twenty

974
00:49:55,559 --> 00:50:00,079
feet on average. That may sound wide to you, but

975
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,800
basically that's a range that you never three put from

976
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,199
and you'll make a handful of them. Now, the closer

977
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,679
you get, the closer. But it is not realistic to

978
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,840
expect tap ends from around the greens unless you do

979
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,760
this for a living. I mean, watch the guys on tour.

980
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,639
They chipped the tap in range. They chipped a five

981
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:23,119
and six feet a lot, so tap in range is

982
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:28,119
not realistic. Wait, realistic is the lower your handicap, the

983
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,800
fewer bogies and more pars you should make. Holding one

984
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,480
out is a stroke of luck unless you're a tour

985
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:37,679
player and practice this relentlessly.

986
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 6: And I tell people all the time.

987
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,119
Speaker 10: If you're an amateur golfer, you should never expect a

988
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,639
hole of shot from off the green. Those are just

989
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,760
big old surprises. But you should always have the expectation.

990
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960
If you're a ten or twelve or below, you should

991
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,719
have the expectation of giving yourself a decent par put,

992
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:03,840
decent tap in something under fifteen feet. If you're fifteen

993
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,760
and above, your goal should be do not chunk it,

994
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,840
do not play it. Hit a solid chip twelve to

995
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,639
fifteen feet, you save your bogie and you go on

996
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,199
down the road and you'll get a few of them,

997
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,440
and you'll make a few of those eight or ten footers.

998
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,559
But one of the biggest and as I mentioned early,

999
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:24,440
we did a research of our owners and we ask,

1000
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:27,000
on average, how far do you think you leave the

1001
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,280
ball from the hole.

1002
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 6: At one hundred yards, the.

1003
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 10: Average that our owners said would have made every one

1004
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,360
of them the best player on the PGA Tour. So

1005
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:42,000
they don't average that. They're good ones average that. But

1006
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,400
when the best guy on tour from fifty to seventy

1007
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,079
five yards, if you can get it inside ten feet,

1008
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:52,159
you are one of the five best players on tour. Okay,

1009
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,079
So be realistic in your expectations. If you've missed the green,

1010
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:01,039
this is now a bogie hole. It's a bogie hole.

1011
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,760
Save a bogie go to the next hole.

1012
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,079
Speaker 6: Right.

1013
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what I would I would kind of

1014
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,000
inject here is that if you have a lot of

1015
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,760
shots from thirty yards and end, you may be take it.

1016
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,760
You may want to take a look at your approach

1017
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,239
shot and and kind of club up a little bit

1018
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,719
more because you're not reaching it and you're picking the

1019
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,679
wrong club to for your approach.

1020
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 6: I think that's excellent advice.

1021
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 10: And what we have a little book that's available for

1022
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,559
download on our website called the Score Method, and the

1023
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,159
score Method is about being bringing precision to your short

1024
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,039
to your approach shots, particularly to short range pro shots.

1025
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,199
And every golfer is kind of off the subject, maybe,

1026
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,280
but every golfer has three distances with every club and

1027
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,079
that's how far they hit it, how far they wish

1028
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,000
they hit it and how far they think they hit it. Unfortunately,

1029
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,360
golfers play the game based on how far they think

1030
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,440
they hit it or they wish they hit it, and

1031
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,360
that's why golfers continually come up short. And I would

1032
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,079
tell you, if you want to improve your scoring, go

1033
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:02,320
play around the golf and take one more club for

1034
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,719
every approach shot you have, and just put a nice

1035
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,400
smooth wing on it, and you will probably shoot the

1036
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:06,960
best round.

1037
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 6: Of your life. Yeah.

1038
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the other thing.

1039
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: And I see this so often, and if you're a

1040
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,119
golf smarter listener, then you've got to get this concept.

1041
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,639
But especially like on a par five, just because you're

1042
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:23,119
in the middle of the fairway, thank goodness, off the tee,

1043
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,599
that doesn't mean if you've got two hundred and fifty

1044
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,920
yards to go to the green, that you need to

1045
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,079
pull out your three wood and hit it two hundred

1046
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,320
and ten yards, because then you're in a very difficult

1047
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,239
position when you're in that thirty to forty yard I mean,

1048
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,199
I hate those kind of shots. I would much rather

1049
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,239
have a shot at one hundred and ten yards than

1050
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,119
at thirty yards because I'm so much more confident with

1051
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,280
my score forty one sixty one forty two degree from

1052
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,840
one hundred and ten yards that I feel I can

1053
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,039
get it, you know, like in one putt range with

1054
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,440
that club. So you know, golf smarter folks don't hit

1055
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,239
it as hard as you can hit it to where

1056
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,360
you feel you have the best shot of getting close

1057
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:04,840
to the pin.

1058
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 10: And again back to the tour statistic, I'm looking at

1059
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,559
twenty twelve statistics, and the best ten or fifteen or

1060
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,119
twenty or thirty players on tour do not hit it

1061
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,719
fifty to seventy five yards from the hole because they

1062
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,159
know that's a very difficult shot. And I would advise

1063
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,159
every listener, whether you're a two handicap or whether you're

1064
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:26,079
a twenty.

1065
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 6: Two is to go out.

1066
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:32,039
Speaker 10: To the range and groove a nice, comfortable, full swim

1067
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:36,079
pitching your gap web shot. It's got enough loft to

1068
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:37,800
get the ball nice in every morning, give you spin.

1069
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,719
It's doesn to have so much loft that you're liable

1070
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,159
to slide it under the ball and create you a

1071
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,480
money shot, whether it's ninety yards or one hundred and

1072
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,880
five yards or eighty five yards, whatever that number is,

1073
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,880
and groove you a money shot that you know you

1074
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,360
can count on and when you're playing a far five,

1075
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,800
you shoot the laser or look at the yards markers,

1076
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,880
and you lay up as close to that money range

1077
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,639
as you can. You will begin to score par fives

1078
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:02,960
dramatically better.

1079
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for taking that second question. This is

1080
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
a long show today, but we've got such great content

1081
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:15,360
who cares. Thank you Terry for the advice, and congratulations

1082
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,880
to both John Pappus and Anthony Coteletto. Terry, thanks again

1083
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,599
for these phenomenal answers.

1084
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 6: Well, it's always fun and look forward to the next show.