Speaker 1: Wendy Rain my guests Tonight Rain R A, I n E.
Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Rain everywhere you think
Speaker 1: to find her. Wendy, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on with Midnight.
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking.
Speaker 1: Let me start with the basic boring. Everyone's heard this
Speaker 1: a million times. Question. Talk me through you initially getting
Speaker 1: into the industry. When did you decide, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make this jump. Was it a total one eighty for
Speaker 1: you where you were like working in a corporate office
Speaker 1: somewhere and then all of a sudden, oh, here's a
Speaker 1: gang bang? Or was it more of a situation like like, uh,
Speaker 1: you had always been edging towards this and it was
Speaker 1: kind of the last quote unquote stroll and you decided, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just do this.
Speaker 2: Well, so my husband and I had been in the
Speaker 2: lifestyle for a while, and you know, so we would
Speaker 2: meet a bunch of people and you know, do a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. And I had encounters where I would
Speaker 2: record part of it for my husband and send it
Speaker 2: to him and messages and stuff. And we met this
Speaker 2: single girl who did a shoot for Score and she
Speaker 2: gave them my name and then came to me and said,
Speaker 2: you really should go. I think you would be really
Speaker 2: good at this. So I called the contact that she
Speaker 2: gave me and did the scenes for them, and I
Speaker 2: had so much fun. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It was I learned, when going through the progression of
Speaker 2: being more and more comfortable with the lifestyle, that I
Speaker 2: was somewhat of an exhibitionist. I enjoyed people watching me
Speaker 2: through the glass windows, you know, at the clubs, or
Speaker 2: standing around the bed, you know, watching which happened once
Speaker 2: and I was thoroughly shocked that there's that many guys
Speaker 2: standing around. But adding the camera and the extra people
Speaker 2: was really nothing to me because I was so used
Speaker 2: to having people watching me. So after the scenes came out,
Speaker 2: everybody was like, oh my gosh, that's great. You should
Speaker 2: do some more. And so I ended up getting an agent, okay,
Speaker 2: and since then, you know, I was with them for
Speaker 2: a while, I was independent for a while, and now
Speaker 2: I'm with another agency. So it's I've moved across the country,
Speaker 2: so it's actually become you know, like a steady thing
Speaker 2: now instead of just filling in with my previous job,
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I have to work that day.
Speaker 2: Can we make it this day, or I would have
Speaker 2: to change my days off to be able to make
Speaker 2: a shoot. So it's become like the whole entire thing.
Speaker 1: Now i've interviewed, she's actually become a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Her name is Kat Karma Orgasmic, and she is an
Speaker 1: independent creator. She's done just a small handful of mainstream
Speaker 1: scenes and it's a very specific niche. But my favorite
Speaker 1: thing that I ever heard was when she was it
Speaker 1: reminded me of what you said right there. She realized
Speaker 1: her and her partner at the time were leaving money
Speaker 1: on the table by going to work at their day
Speaker 1: jobs and not just staying home and editing stuff, and
Speaker 1: that must be you said in there. You were like, oh,
Speaker 1: and then it became a thing. Did it feel like
Speaker 1: it became a career. Did it feel like it became
Speaker 1: money wise it was at the level needed it to
Speaker 1: be or did it just feel right emotionally And you
Speaker 1: were like, I think the money will follow.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a little bit more to that answer. So
Speaker 2: I it took me from my first shoot. It took
Speaker 2: me about a year and a half to actually make
Speaker 2: a only fans because I am not one of those
Speaker 2: people that have my phone with me all the way,
Speaker 2: all the time. I have to remember to, you know,
Speaker 2: take a photo set. Still to this day, I'm like, crap,
Speaker 2: I gotta take pictures of myself, you know. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: this will be a great content moment. I don't think
Speaker 2: like that, and I'm trying really hard to change that.
Speaker 2: So basically, it was more about getting the more mainstream
Speaker 2: shoots than doing only fans or content for any VIDs
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I realiz that, yeah, there was more
Speaker 2: money to be made having those sites. And so for
Speaker 2: the past I think I've had it now for two
Speaker 2: and a half three years. My only fans, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I have gotten better. Okay, I gotta go do this.
Speaker 2: I gotta take this day because I'm not doing anything
Speaker 2: and make content like after I'm done with you. Because
Speaker 2: I'm in a hotel room, I'm going to take pictures
Speaker 2: because it's a different environment, it's a different set, it's
Speaker 2: a different you know, and so it'll be different than
Speaker 2: my Wendy room at home. And so I have it
Speaker 2: all planned out.
Speaker 1: So now can you remember here's a question about that, right,
Speaker 1: because that's a great thing. You're going to do a
Speaker 1: bunch of photos and this and that do you have
Speaker 1: multiple outfits death because it's a different setting and maybe
Speaker 1: people would know like it just happened now, but maybe
Speaker 1: you could, you know, do do a different outfit? And
Speaker 1: then what do you do? Stash it for like a month?
Speaker 1: Right you do? Oh the hotel rooms, you know, March whenever,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, uh oh, June rolls around same hotel room.
Speaker 1: They don't realize that because you're wearing something green now
Speaker 1: And whatever is it about stacking? Like how many things
Speaker 1: you could do based on I would look at it
Speaker 1: from the outside. Again, no one wants to pay for anything.
Speaker 1: I'd ever be a part of nude. That's just how
Speaker 1: it is. I've understood that since I was about, I
Speaker 1: don't know, nineteen years old. But but what I will
Speaker 1: say is there seems to be a way of being
Speaker 1: able to stack that type of stuff where you're not
Speaker 1: tricking anyone. You're giving them the same content you would
Speaker 1: have given them. But like you know, hey, don't look
Speaker 1: in the background because that's the same thing you saw
Speaker 1: a month ago, And don't look in the background because
Speaker 1: that's the same thing you saw two months ago.
Speaker 2: Well that's one of the reasons why I do the
Speaker 2: majority of it in my Wendy room because it's all
Speaker 2: the same, gotcha, So my like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you follow me on X, but I do these Wendy's
Speaker 2: fun Facts Monday through Friday. I put out a little
Speaker 2: video about it used to be National Day. Hey, you
Speaker 2: know what today is? It's National muffin Day?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Then I changed it to fun Facts, and now it's
Speaker 2: weird state laws. But I wear the exact same tank top.
Speaker 2: The only thing that might be different is maybe I
Speaker 2: don't have makeup on, maybe my hair's up, maybe this
Speaker 2: or that. And I film like thirty of them all
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to do content with somebody,
Speaker 2: you think of a bunch of different ways you can
Speaker 2: get the most content out of that short period of
Speaker 2: time you're with them. You know. So I released a
Speaker 2: threesome with two guys a few weeks ago, and I
Speaker 2: have more content to release with them individually, you know,
Speaker 2: So we kind of did that, and and so it's
Speaker 2: you look for ways to maximize the output of what
Speaker 2: you get when you have a short period of time
Speaker 2: with somebody, or like in a different setting like this,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I do have. I have different lingerie outfits,
Speaker 2: you know. I have some toys that I can do
Speaker 2: little videos with and change it up. There's a lounger
Speaker 2: chair of puch thing right there. I walked in and
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that is going to be hot.
Speaker 2: And then there's this view of whatever that is. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's like mountains in the ocean. But I
Speaker 2: could stand up in front of it and people might
Speaker 2: think I'm on a cliff.
Speaker 1: I don't don't jump, Wendy, don't jump jump. I don't know.
Speaker 2: The wind's blowing through my hair and it's so pretty.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you do you you maximize that, and
Speaker 2: then you have all of that and you kind of
Speaker 2: put it out there sporadically, like, you know, you take
Speaker 2: a couple of pictures from this shoot and a couple
Speaker 2: of pictures from this day, and then maybe a screenshot
Speaker 2: of that, and that's this week's content.
Speaker 1: When you decided, Hey, I am going to get into porn,
Speaker 1: did you realize that only five percent of it would
Speaker 1: be having sex and the rest of it was social
Speaker 1: media and schedule building and photography and this and that.
Speaker 1: None of them. Do I get it? I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2: I thought that I was just gonna be, you know,
Speaker 2: just shooting for the mainstream. And then I started making
Speaker 2: the little home videos. And when I started my only fans,
Speaker 2: I had no content. I was like, I don't have
Speaker 2: anything to sell to anybody. I don't have anything to
Speaker 2: put up there. Why would anybody subscribe to my page
Speaker 2: when I have nothing? And so I started taking all
Speaker 2: those little videos right that I made for my husband
Speaker 2: because I saved them, thank god I did, because it
Speaker 2: ended up I would put five or six together. I'd
Speaker 2: have twenty minutes just little clips of me that had
Speaker 2: in sex and that would go out once a week
Speaker 2: and then a eventually I was able to start and
Speaker 2: get some more people to do content with. But the editing,
Speaker 2: the social media, I'm thank god, I just concentrate on X.
Speaker 2: I do have an Instagram that I know I need
Speaker 2: to be on more. But you know, so it's taken
Speaker 2: me this long to get this good at what I'm
Speaker 2: doing now, so right, but yeah, there's so much more.
Speaker 2: And I've tried editing my own videos and that's so funny, hilarious.
Speaker 1: Oh so maybe not the best editor, that's fine, But
Speaker 1: do you have a guy that does that do you
Speaker 1: have does your husband do that or your partner do that?
Speaker 2: Or I have been extremely lucky that the people that
Speaker 2: I have done content with either do it themselves or
Speaker 2: have somebody that does it. And I always for to
Speaker 2: give them some money. I don't know how to edit.
Speaker 2: You're going to edit the video? Can I give you
Speaker 2: some money to help with that cost if you send
Speaker 2: it out, or pay for your time to do it
Speaker 2: for me, whatever it is. And so I've been very
Speaker 2: lucky in that aspect that these people know what they're doing,
Speaker 2: because I think I've edited two of my videos that
Speaker 2: I've released early on in my career, and it's just laughable.
Speaker 2: It is. It's I had no idea what I was doing,
Speaker 2: but I did a picture and picture and I was like,
Speaker 2: so proud of myself with a title, and you know.
Speaker 1: That, I love how excited you are about it. Though.
Speaker 1: It feels good to accomplish something, even if you look
Speaker 1: back at it and you go, well, that doghouse is
Speaker 1: falling down right now, but I built it at one
Speaker 1: point and it looks good. You know, you want to
Speaker 1: feel that.
Speaker 2: I do my cake reviews and I do you know,
Speaker 2: I introduced my cakes and then I show a picture
Speaker 2: and I do a little video afterwards, and I put
Speaker 2: it up on video pad and just clip the two
Speaker 2: together and it's done. I don't do any other editing,
Speaker 2: and that's about the extent of it. I've messed around
Speaker 2: a little bit, so I did you know the titles
Speaker 2: and things like that, But think, think thankfully these guys
Speaker 2: and girls that I've done content but know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I Uh, when I interview new girls, girls just breaking
Speaker 1: into the industry, just trying to get in, that's I
Speaker 1: do that along with mainstream girls. And it's just kind
Speaker 1: of a nice contrast between the two. And so many
Speaker 1: times i'm I'm I was, you know, I'd be promoting
Speaker 1: their thing. I'd be like, hey, people want to go
Speaker 1: check out your whatever, your only fans, You're this, you're that,
Speaker 1: And you check the only fans and like they have
Speaker 1: three pictures and like one six second video up there.
Speaker 1: And it's like you said at the beginning, like I
Speaker 1: don't have anything up here. Who wants to sign up
Speaker 1: for this? Just the bare minimum? Get two hundred pictures
Speaker 1: on there. They could be from the same time you
Speaker 1: stepped out of the shower and you clipped them. At
Speaker 1: least you have two hundred pictures on there for people
Speaker 1: to go through. Yeah, a few videos up there. Not you.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in general, like, definitely like you. You
Speaker 1: want to build even if you're not the best at
Speaker 1: doing the things you do, you want to build some Yeah. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: this show you're on is only subpar? Uh want to
Speaker 1: you want to be able to offer some form of
Speaker 1: a library, even if it's not the greatest live. There's
Speaker 1: no giant gang bangs on this, there's no this that,
Speaker 1: but there is the person you're trying to follow. You know,
Speaker 1: you said, Wendy, you said you were you were in
Speaker 1: the lifestyle, right, so it's the swinger lifestyle. I've had
Speaker 1: nothing but interviews this week of all people who were like,
Speaker 1: I got into the industry after I was swinging this
Speaker 1: and that that I've had yet to there's yet to
Speaker 1: be in a twenty two year old girl who's been
Speaker 1: like I had to pay for college. All of them
Speaker 1: were like, swinging the lifestyle. Tell me about the lifestyle
Speaker 1: to you. Did you get in when you were very young?
Speaker 1: Did you only get in in the last X amount
Speaker 1: of years? Was it were you pulled into it or
Speaker 1: did you kind of just naturally move into it based
Speaker 1: on your personality and what was your personality like before
Speaker 1: you got into the lifestyle? Wow? Yeah, people say my
Speaker 1: questions are too long. They say, shut up, let them talk. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go.
Speaker 2: I got it. So twenty eighteen is when we first
Speaker 2: started doing lifestyle things. So my husband and I I've
Speaker 2: been together actually for thirty years, and so it's been
Speaker 2: rather recent in our relationship. And I think that if
Speaker 2: I was younger when we first got together, if this
Speaker 2: was the subject was approached, I would have been like,
Speaker 2: fuck you, no way, uh huh, absolutely not. You know,
Speaker 2: over the years, you you become more mature. And I
Speaker 2: think that the stability part of our relationship really really
Speaker 2: helped the transition into that. It was brought up sporadically
Speaker 2: throughout the beginning, and I'm just like, no, no, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? No, I don't want to fuck anybody else.
Speaker 2: Why would I want to do that. So we actually
Speaker 2: started out really really slow, you know, when we had
Speaker 2: all these rules and we could only do this and
Speaker 2: we could only do that, and it was together and whatever.
Speaker 2: And then gradually, over I would say a year, two years,
Speaker 2: you know, those rules start loosening up, and you're able
Speaker 2: to start to be yourself with other people. And I
Speaker 2: think that it actually and I believe my husband would
Speaker 2: agree that I am a different person now than I
Speaker 2: was before because I've learned so much about my body,
Speaker 2: doing the lifestyle, doing porn. You know. It's I've learned
Speaker 2: so much about what I like, what I really really like,
Speaker 2: and what I really really dislike. You know, so because
Speaker 2: everybody has different techniques and different ways doing things, and
Speaker 2: if you only know one for an extended period of time,
Speaker 2: that's really all you know. And being with somebody for
Speaker 2: as long as I have it's a phenomenal feat because
Speaker 2: people don't aren't usually that together for that long. But also,
Speaker 2: you know, the variety that we have now, the level
Speaker 2: of trust has increased, and it's made our relationship better.
Speaker 2: To be honest, he really enjoys seeing me being pleased.
Speaker 2: It pleases him that I'm pleased. So compersion, that's the word.
Speaker 1: I don't know that word. What the fuck does that
Speaker 1: word mean?
Speaker 2: Compersion? Compersion I don't know the exact definition, but I'll
Speaker 2: sum it up for you. Is when like he gets
Speaker 2: satisfaction out of watching me being.
Speaker 1: Satisfied, Whndy's fun Fact of the Day compersion the way
Speaker 1: Wendy's Dictionary of the Day Dictionary of the Day. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have never heard that before. That is very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's a it's a term used in
Speaker 2: in the lifestyle and and so you know, everybody is like, well,
Speaker 2: you cock your husband, and I'm like, no, I don't
Speaker 2: cook my husband. I don't humiliate him. I don't make
Speaker 2: him sit in the corner. I don't, you know, insult
Speaker 2: him while somebody else is fucking me. I'm the hot
Speaker 2: wife fix and type where he enjoys watching me be satisfied.
Speaker 1: So that is another really interesting point because cook has
Speaker 1: become just the great term to throw out on anything
Speaker 1: you want to do to insult somebody, regardless of what
Speaker 1: it pertains to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, there are people who are in the swinger lifestyle
Speaker 1: who are cuckolds and they enjoy that. That's what they like,
Speaker 1: is my view, and I say this on every episode.
Speaker 1: I don't care what anyone does behind closed doors as
Speaker 1: long as there's no kids or dogs in the room, like,
Speaker 1: you know, get them out and then do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: That's your choice. So your husband is not necessarily a cuck.
Speaker 1: Then he doesn't enjoy any of that aspect of it,
Speaker 1: the humiliation.
Speaker 2: Part he is not. He is not a cook. I
Speaker 2: have fans who who you know, want me to do
Speaker 2: that to cook them, which is perfectly fine. But I
Speaker 2: do not do that to him. I can't. I am
Speaker 2: not the type of person who throws insults around behind
Speaker 2: closed doors by ourselves. I'm not going to do that
Speaker 2: in front of people as well, you know. So it's
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm too nice of it personally.
Speaker 1: No, I totally I get.
Speaker 2: I get if you pay me, I can be really
Speaker 2: really mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just always find that aspect interesting because there are
Speaker 1: definitely because on the outside, if I'm just a vanilla
Speaker 1: don't know anything, I've been on Twitter for a week
Speaker 1: and I see the word cuck and whatever. I hear this,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, Wendy's husband likes to be like
Speaker 1: humiliated and this and that. And that's when people don't
Speaker 1: understand there are like different psychologies and different aspects to
Speaker 1: so much of human sexuality.
Speaker 2: Right it's all the fetishes, yes.
Speaker 1: Right now, let me ask if you were in a
Speaker 1: situation where you were with a guy and your husband
Speaker 1: was there? Is it? I always I always worry about
Speaker 1: saying husband, right, we are using that term, not seeing partner,
Speaker 1: not this, not okay, all right husband, your husband's there.
Speaker 1: What if the guy was dirty talking kind of and
Speaker 1: then I'm fu better than your husband? Hunt do you
Speaker 1: just stop that? Does it like? Or do you glance
Speaker 1: at your husband and be like this motherfucker over here
Speaker 1: thinks like, how would you approach a situation where if
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of something and it's going away again,
Speaker 1: not anything non consensual and nothing like that, but just
Speaker 1: going a negative way.
Speaker 2: Well, in that aspect, he likes to see me pleased.
Speaker 2: So I would play along with that to a point.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'd be like, oh, yeah, baby, you know you're
Speaker 2: doing great, you're doing much better. Yeah, you're fucking me right,
Speaker 2: whatever it is that he's saying. But if he crosses
Speaker 2: that line of insulting, then then I would be like,
Speaker 2: oh no, you know, I would try to steer the
Speaker 2: conversation back, steer the dirty talk back to some a
Speaker 2: little less insulting here.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, because my concern if I was the woman
Speaker 1: in that scenario, which I always picture myself as, would
Speaker 1: be like I'm just kidding. Uh, I don't want to
Speaker 1: kill the mood here. Yeah, sometimes I just buffalo billid
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, tuck and whatever. Uh silence
Speaker 1: of the Lambs reference, folks, I wouldn't want to kill
Speaker 1: the mood if I were you, If if I were
Speaker 1: you in that scenario, But the mood is being killed
Speaker 1: for you as well, because you don't like the insults
Speaker 1: or this, and that.
Speaker 2: I apologize and to be honest, the first time meeting
Speaker 2: like a single guy, they're usually very very respectful, especially
Speaker 2: to my husband. He's a big guy. He's you walk
Speaker 2: into a room and you're like, whoa. You know, he
Speaker 2: can be he has that intimidating look. He's you know,
Speaker 2: he's tall and muscular, and so they're usually very very
Speaker 2: respectful in the beginning, you know, and then if it
Speaker 2: becomes a returning guy, then we can discuss limits like that,
Speaker 2: you know. But I don't think that. I don't think
Speaker 2: I've ever had a first time or be disrespectful in
Speaker 2: that regard because they don't know, gotcha. And I think
Speaker 2: if that had happened on the first time, I think
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have asked them back anyway.
Speaker 1: Sure makes sense. You said, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the lifestyle would start it with rules and regulations
Speaker 1: and guardrails and this, and that everything was a nice
Speaker 1: grid system. I assume you don't go down sixth Street,
Speaker 1: but seventh is fine. When was the first time that
Speaker 1: a rule was either broken or loosened or told, Hey, Wendy,
Speaker 1: you think I know you're out of town. This girl's here.
Speaker 1: I know we normally do things together, but she's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Is there any chance When was the first time when
Speaker 1: you were whether it was you or whether it was him,
Speaker 1: when you both were like, let's loosen this and see
Speaker 1: how it feels, and then you decide it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: feels right, feels good.
Speaker 2: Well from the very beginning, you know, you have this
Speaker 2: list of rules, and two weeks down the road, one
Speaker 2: of them can be crossed off. You know, like, I
Speaker 2: don't think we need to do this anymore. I don't
Speaker 2: think we need to do this anymore. But I think
Speaker 2: that one of the bigger rules that we had was
Speaker 2: we would only let single guys in our relationship when
Speaker 2: we were out of town, when we were on vacation,
Speaker 2: like we would go to Jamaica or we would go
Speaker 2: to Mexico or Vegas or something like that. And that's
Speaker 2: the time when we would have a single guy come in.
Speaker 2: All the other times was with couples or at a party.
Speaker 2: You know, we would go to we would go to
Speaker 2: parties and he would go one way and I would
Speaker 2: go another way. But it didn't matter if there was
Speaker 2: a single guy there or not, because we were at
Speaker 2: a party. So I that changed about I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: a year and a half in to where he was like,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for single guys for you. So he he
Speaker 2: was the one who would look for me, for a
Speaker 2: single guy to try and satisfy me. So he did.
Speaker 2: He did, good job.
Speaker 1: And get your whole career out of it. But that
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: A year and a half in and so that rule changed,
Speaker 2: you know. And then we would meet them at a hotel.
Speaker 2: John would watch blah blah blah. And one day he
Speaker 2: was like, when the guy gets here, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go downstairs and be on the phone. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna leave me. You're alone, You're not going to
Speaker 2: watch He's like, no, you're You're fine. This was a regular,
Speaker 2: a regular guy we had been had been meeting up
Speaker 2: with for a few months, and so that was the
Speaker 2: first time that I was left alone in the hotel room.
Speaker 2: So and it gradually, you know, the rules started crashing
Speaker 2: them off from there. So now there's there's there's really
Speaker 2: no rules per se. You know, if something comes up,
Speaker 2: we discuss it and.
Speaker 1: Go with it or not go with it. Uh what
Speaker 1: did you feel when he first left you there? Quote
Speaker 1: unquote by yourself? Was it was it a mix of
Speaker 1: anxiety and excitement? Was it all excitement? Was it all like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I hope this guy doesn't put a
Speaker 1: bag over my head or something like? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: Was What was going through your head when when John's
Speaker 1: heading downstairs?
Speaker 2: Well, I knew the that the guy wasn't going to
Speaker 2: put a bag over my head because you know, he
Speaker 2: was still kind of intimidated by my husband. But it
Speaker 2: was there was a it was like ninety three percent
Speaker 2: excitement and like seven percent anxiety. Oh my gosh, mostly
Speaker 2: because I was concerned about how my husband would feel
Speaker 2: when I got home when I was done, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So because it was really eye opening
Speaker 2: to him, he was like, I want you to let loose,
Speaker 2: and I think that you're not letting loose while I'm there,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't think I can let loose anymore,
Speaker 2: but I'll try, you know. So it ended up being
Speaker 2: like that, plus my regular guy. We would go for hours,
Speaker 2: and as much fun as it is to watch foreorn
Speaker 2: or watch somebody doing a live show in front of you,
Speaker 2: three four hours gets a little old. Sure, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like sitting on the phone.
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing? Not even paying attention. But
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, it's like.
Speaker 2: It's exciting, exciting, and then it's really not anymore, you know,
Speaker 2: after a certain period of time.
Speaker 1: That's always the watch.
Speaker 2: Not to me, I was always excited.
Speaker 1: I have I have two questions then about that lifestyle,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually forgetting the first one as I did it,
Speaker 1: because now I'm even asking too many questions in my
Speaker 1: own head. Was the suggestion to you at first to
Speaker 1: bring another guy in? Or was the suggestion we could
Speaker 1: bring couples in again? Vanilla outside world, I've had plenty
Speaker 1: of friends who floated the idea, Hey, maybe I should
Speaker 1: try and open my relationship that way. We can have
Speaker 1: a threesome with another girl. Your intentions are threeesome with
Speaker 1: another girl? You don't want the other half of the
Speaker 1: opening up the relationship where some dude is opening up
Speaker 1: your wife like that's you know, that's not what they want.
Speaker 1: Was your entrance into this always your husband recommending another
Speaker 1: guy first because that's what he really enjoys. Or was
Speaker 1: it like both at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we had. Now I'm telling something that nobody knews.
Speaker 2: Way back in the beginning of our relationship, we did
Speaker 2: have threesome with a girl and it was you know,
Speaker 2: it was a threesome with a girl. And so I
Speaker 2: think that that stemmed the thought process. But also I
Speaker 2: think he wanted me to to enjoy different aspects of
Speaker 2: having sex, and so he would suggest it and and
Speaker 2: he would be like, Hey, my friend has this giant cock.
Speaker 2: Do you want to fuck him? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: what what?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: What are you saying to me right now? You know?
Speaker 2: And so when we finally when we finally started, it
Speaker 2: wasn't just a couple's only, but I think that that
Speaker 2: was his intention because he wanted to see me and
Speaker 2: watch me be satisfied.
Speaker 1: So your current lifestyle swinging, are women not involved with
Speaker 1: that anymore? Is it just guys?
Speaker 2: Or no? We do a couple of stuff too.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, all right, there.
Speaker 2: A single girls sporadically, you know.
Speaker 1: Sure, does he get What do you think gives him
Speaker 1: more excitement? Him being with you and another girl, or
Speaker 1: him watching you with like a legendary dick, like just
Speaker 1: a guy who can really perform, or multiple guys or
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of guys in that room with that
Speaker 1: nice ocean background. You talked about.
Speaker 2: My cliff jumping, Well, I would have to say it
Speaker 2: it was would probably be me being satisfied really by
Speaker 2: somebody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people in the outside world just can't understand that
Speaker 1: A got We've never been opened my wife and I've
Speaker 1: been with my wife for I think seventeen years now,
Speaker 1: maybe eighteen going on. Got together when we're in nineteen,
Speaker 1: and it just works. It just works. It works great,
Speaker 1: you know. But I haven't done this in a while.
Speaker 1: But I lost my point again. I'm just excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you because I find this so interesting. I've
Speaker 1: been with my wife for so long and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to introduce anything like that necessarily because I don't
Speaker 1: think that's our relationship and that's not where it's set
Speaker 1: up to be. But the excitement and the joy I
Speaker 1: get from having a new toy or doing something new
Speaker 1: that she really enjoys and seeing her get excited over that.
Speaker 1: I think so many guys out there just either. It
Speaker 1: really is an example to me. Look, you don't have
Speaker 1: to send your wife to get fucked by a legendary
Speaker 1: dick just to feel excitement. But a lot of guys
Speaker 1: probably don't even really give a shit if their chick
Speaker 1: is like having a good time or enjoying this. They
Speaker 1: just think, oh, it was satisfied at the end, so
Speaker 1: we're all good to go. So when they hear this,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, your husband, well he's just you know,
Speaker 1: that goes back to the cock thing. Oh he's a
Speaker 1: cock's blah blah blah blah. No, he's just getting juice
Speaker 1: stopped watching his lady really excited and ray. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so tough to explain to people because from the outside,
Speaker 1: use your nineteen year old brain on that one and go,
Speaker 1: my husband wants to watch me get fucked by other guys.
Speaker 1: Nineteen year old Wendy is going, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you talking about? This is a loving thing too, What
Speaker 1: are you talking about exactly?
Speaker 2: And I think you hit the nail on the head
Speaker 2: right there with the Most guys think that, oh, we're
Speaker 2: both satisfied at the end, so it really doesn't matter where.
Speaker 2: That's all they think about is getting to the end,
Speaker 2: you know where. Quite a few of these guys that
Speaker 2: I have met in the lifestyle could care less about
Speaker 2: the end part.
Speaker 4: They like the build up, the the actual act of
Speaker 4: doing stuff.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the guys in my past were
Speaker 2: just like, you know, the type of b wham bam,
Speaker 2: thank you man. And it's it's taught my husband and
Speaker 2: I both different things sexually to please each other, you know,
Speaker 2: so it's only made our sex life better by learning
Speaker 2: these things from different people. And these other guys, like
Speaker 2: I said before, please me in a different way than
Speaker 2: my husband does. You know, not everybody has the same cock,
Speaker 2: Not everybody has the same technique fingering a girl or
Speaker 2: sucking a cock or kissing or whatever. And so you
Speaker 2: learn all these different things and you find out what
Speaker 2: works for you and works for you and your husband,
Speaker 2: because then I go and I try these things out
Speaker 2: on him. You know, Like if a guy says, I
Speaker 2: like my cock sucks like this, it really gets me going.
Speaker 2: I'll go try it out on him, you know, And
Speaker 2: and so it's it's learning. But I think that the
Speaker 2: the the less secure you are in your relationship, the
Speaker 2: younger the relationship is, you're more apt to say, excuse me, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go fuck that guy, and you're not
Speaker 2: going to go fuck that girl. I think that if
Speaker 2: you are completely completely sexually satisfying each other completely using
Speaker 2: everything that you know and read and whatever, maybe you
Speaker 2: won't need to do that ever. But there's also one
Speaker 2: other thing that you said that I agree with. The
Speaker 2: excitement is there of something new. Think about when you
Speaker 2: first met your wife, you know, or a new girlfriend
Speaker 2: or whatever. You get the butterflies in the stomach. You're like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I get to see her today, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's that newness, that excitement and newness that you
Speaker 2: get to experience all the time. Now, not that I'm
Speaker 2: tired of my husband. I would never get tired of
Speaker 2: my husband. It's experiencing that newness, you know, with somebody
Speaker 2: else and returning to the love of my life, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's it's all of that. Like I know, I've
Speaker 2: just rambled on and probably didn't make any sense, but.
Speaker 1: It it made all the sense in the world to me.
Speaker 1: I get that. And the thing is again using nineteen
Speaker 1: year old and nineteen year old Wendy and Matt brain.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we were necessarily comfortable, don't I
Speaker 1: can't speak for you, but comfortable maybe in our own selves,
Speaker 1: in our own sexuality where we'd be willing and personally.
Speaker 1: But as my wife is listening to this episode, I
Speaker 1: understand we still are not willing. Wendy is willing to
Speaker 1: share yourself and open up yourself. There's It took me
Speaker 1: fifteen years to get my wife to do any kind
Speaker 1: of dirty talking, only because we are so cynical and
Speaker 1: kind of it would be like I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want me to lick on your nipples and she'd
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, do you, And it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like that kills the mood, like that's not
Speaker 1: gonna work. You're gonna have to And I had to
Speaker 1: establish to her, Oh my gosh, I had to establish
Speaker 1: to her. I go, hey, everything here and not not
Speaker 1: that I was like, you can't be funny, not at
Speaker 1: all that, but I would just make the case, hey,
Speaker 1: everything here is between us. I will not judge you
Speaker 1: for anything, anything you want to try, anything, you're interested
Speaker 1: in anything you say. I'm not gonna judge you, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna laugh, I'm not gonna or whatever. This is
Speaker 1: entirely and I hate to say it because I sound
Speaker 1: like I'm on a college campus. This is a safe
Speaker 1: space right here, This is what this is.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that people who are six
Speaker 1: months into a relationship, who are twenty one years old
Speaker 1: in college, I don't know that they have that emotional intelligence.
Speaker 1: And that's a broad general example. I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: one or two people like that, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that they have that to do that at that age.
Speaker 1: I think it comes with maturity and wisdom.
Speaker 2: Right absolutely, yeah, absolutely, and the emotional intelligence absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2: And then you have to be secure with yourself, you know.
Speaker 2: I also, being in the lifestyle, have seen that other
Speaker 2: guys find me attractive, which makes me more confident, sure,
Speaker 2: which makes me more attractive, and then more guys are attracted,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it's a big circle.
Speaker 2: So now I have more self confidence and self respect
Speaker 2: and self esteem than I did ten years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because of the lifestyle, and and you know, my husband
Speaker 2: has been building me up for years, and you sell
Speaker 2: me a lot. When we first met it, I was
Speaker 2: I was a mess, but that's that's another story. But
Speaker 2: like you, you learn about yourself. And like I said,
Speaker 2: I have learned so much about what I like sexually
Speaker 2: and what I don't like. And I had no idea before.
Speaker 4: I had no idea that that even like existed before.
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's an interesting path that I have
Speaker 4: have been on.
Speaker 1: I have I have some questions about that. But first
Speaker 1: I want to do a thing called stat check. So
Speaker 1: we're going to use the Internet Adult Film Database if
Speaker 1: anyone's ever been on IMDb dot com, which is like
Speaker 1: the movie database. You can look up every director. There's
Speaker 1: actually a porn one too. Now when I say this, Wendy,
Speaker 1: every girl, I say, we're going to go over these stats.
Speaker 1: I give the stats and they go, those numbers are wrong.
Speaker 1: I go, I know, I know, we're just using this
Speaker 1: and what they list as a metric. So that way,
Speaker 1: when I have you on a year from now and
Speaker 1: you're just drowning in AVN awards and you're giving them
Speaker 1: away to people as they come to you. Here, heyre
Speaker 1: please take a couple of VNS with you. Okay, once
Speaker 1: that happens, we can look back and go like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, remember when you were only at this. I
Speaker 1: understand the numbers are not going to be accurate, but
Speaker 1: let's run through them. So the number of scenes they
Speaker 1: have you down for is thirty five. The number of
Speaker 1: guys you've worked with is thirteen. The number of girls
Speaker 1: you've worked with is nine. One AVN nomination, no wins yet,
Speaker 1: we're working on that. See you do in the face.
Speaker 1: I know, I know the numbers are wrong. They don't
Speaker 1: count like collaboration scenes with like oh, I'm not even Oh.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have books Excel spreadsheet. I've just pulled it
Speaker 2: up right now, and do you Okay?
Speaker 1: This is so the Wendy Rank.
Speaker 3: Catalog, the Wendy Rank catalog, and I'm not quite sure
Speaker 3: when that that website was was updated, but I can
Speaker 3: tell you as of today, the professional scenes that I
Speaker 3: have done is.
Speaker 1: Uh forty six, Okay, forty you know what forty seven?
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, hold on, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna write this down, and what we're gonna do is
Speaker 1: I will update it on the graphic on the screen
Speaker 1: in real time. So number of scenes originally enlisted at
Speaker 1: thirty five, you are telling me it is it is
Speaker 1: forty seven. We're going to count tomorrows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forty seven, tomorrow forty six. Now I am including
Speaker 2: the scenes that I was extras in.
Speaker 1: So totally fine.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe maybe they just do sex scenes. But yeah,
Speaker 2: And the number of guys you said was.
Speaker 1: Thirteen thirteen listed, yes, five.
Speaker 2: Six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 2: and tomorrow's nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know how many girls you've worked with? Women?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Hold on.
Speaker 1: This feels, by the way, this feels like the best
Speaker 1: corporate meeting I've ever been in. I love it because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got those numbers for you. Hold on. Uh wait
Speaker 1: and counting the gang bang? Are we not counting it that? Yap?
Speaker 2: Ya? Let me ask? Does this include the girls that
Speaker 2: I did not have sex with?
Speaker 1: It includes whatever number is on your chart? I am
Speaker 1: fine with accepting.
Speaker 2: Okay, one, two, three, four, five.
Speaker 1: By the way, while Wendy's counting at Wendy Rain everywhere,
Speaker 1: you expect to find her links in the episode description.
Speaker 1: As always, make sure you follow these content creators otherwise
Speaker 1: they don't make any more content eleven eleven, Okay, so
Speaker 1: they were too off on that. Only the one AVN
Speaker 1: nomination though, right twenty twenty four, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was a fan nomination.
Speaker 1: Yet hey, I count it. Okay, I have I have
Speaker 1: a fan nomination too, and that is goddamn on every
Speaker 1: resume I have. So all right, we.
Speaker 2: Will fix this nomination as well.
Speaker 1: There you go. See, I didn't want to get in
Speaker 1: the intricacies of the next awards and flesh Body, so
Speaker 1: AVN is just what I stick with. But congratulations on
Speaker 1: your Fleshbot Award nomination as well. Let me you said
Speaker 1: you figured out the likes and dislikes that you got
Speaker 1: into in this industry or what you learned about yourself.
Speaker 1: So let me start with this question. I always use
Speaker 1: this one. What is a kinker of fetish you really
Speaker 1: want to pursue? Meaning if they you've done it before,
Speaker 1: probably I'm sure, maybe maybe not, though tell me if
Speaker 1: you haven't. What's something that if they came to you
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, we want you to shoot the scene,
Speaker 1: you would be on the plane the next day like
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, should I want to shoot? Exactly
Speaker 1: that niche that style, or if it's a studio you
Speaker 1: want to work for, or if it's a guy you
Speaker 1: want to work with, tell me something you are like
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit to get to.
Speaker 2: There's a few things I would like to do a
Speaker 2: gang bang, but more than two guys. I've already been
Speaker 2: with two guys, you know, so four or five. Maybe
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind doing some type of bondage type of
Speaker 2: scene with you know, restraints, maybe forced orgasm, no no
Speaker 2: slapping my face though, And and and I know that
Speaker 2: that's a big thing with the like kink dot com.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: But that I really really really really really really want
Speaker 2: to be a main character in a feature movie, like
Speaker 2: like the longer films. I think I can act, and
Speaker 2: I would like to to be, you know, be able
Speaker 2: to be on set for multiple days and make one
Speaker 2: of those movies that they're starting to make again, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe not so much high budget like Pirates.
Speaker 1: Pirates was I love Jane?
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that movie.
Speaker 2: And so I know that they're starting to to to
Speaker 2: make longer films than just the scenes, right, And so
Speaker 2: I'd really really like to be like the main person
Speaker 2: in that And if they called me next week and said, hey,
Speaker 2: we want you as Milf of the Month for June.
Speaker 2: I would be all over that as well, you know,
Speaker 2: get my name out there, do do some different things
Speaker 2: and and fun stuff. I enjoy the role playing, the stepmom,
Speaker 2: the the all of that. I've been uh lucky enough
Speaker 2: to be in some parodies where I'm actually, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: the one that's coming out tomorrow, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm parroting Meryl Streep come on, you know. And
Speaker 2: and there was one I did. I was just an
Speaker 2: extra year and a half ago, but I was parroting
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis. You know. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I enjoyed doing those types of things. I enjoy doing
Speaker 2: the comedies and then the serious stuff. Mostly I yell
Speaker 2: at my steps on.
Speaker 1: Normally I'm stuck in a washing machine and then some
Speaker 1: guy has to come get me out with his dick.
Speaker 2: They come up behind me, They're like, oh, you know what,
Speaker 2: I've never been stuck in a washing machine.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so that's goals. I mean, vibes and goals, folks,
Speaker 1: Washington machines stuck. I let me ask, how what is
Speaker 1: what is being an extra on a porn set. Do
Speaker 1: you said you've done extra work on it before? What
Speaker 1: does that mean? Are you? Are you naked at all?
Speaker 1: Are you go ahead? Talk me through it.
Speaker 2: So the first time I encountered being in a movie
Speaker 2: where I didn't actually take off all my clothes and
Speaker 2: had sex, I was basically a sextra where I gave
Speaker 2: a blowjob.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I.
Speaker 2: Was being an extra on a lot of the sets.
Speaker 2: Mostly I was like, there was one time I was
Speaker 2: a step mom and I through my daughter her first
Speaker 2: gang bang for her eighteenth birthday, I know, with her
Speaker 2: stepdad and her step cousins and her step brother, and
Speaker 2: I sat there during the whole entire thing, cheering them on.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun. I was like the only
Speaker 2: one clothed. Everybody else was naked, and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: gotta make her comb come on and make her come
Speaker 2: have on orgasm, and you know, and we bring out
Speaker 2: this toy and I'm like holding the toy on her,
Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, and then let's see, there was
Speaker 2: another time where.
Speaker 1: Uh, sorry, I'm looking up the scene right now, you're
Speaker 1: with Madison Wild. Yeah, there you go. Okay, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I got something to watch later, folks. So and there you.
Speaker 2: Go, there you go. And uh, when I was Jamie
Speaker 2: Lee Curtis, I was an extra. A lot of these
Speaker 2: are for Team SKI. And then I was the step
Speaker 2: mom who didn't want to introduce her her stepdaughter to
Speaker 2: her to my brother, her step uncle. Well that went.
Speaker 2: And then the only time that I was the only
Speaker 2: time I was naked as an extra is I was
Speaker 2: on the parody of Punk and it was called porn
Speaker 2: Horned p O R. And Katie I can't say. I
Speaker 2: couldn't say that on set, and I still can't say
Speaker 2: to that day. But I was the host of the
Speaker 2: game show. And the game show was I brought my
Speaker 2: coworker from my office. I invited him over to like
Speaker 2: a team building exercise at my house or whatever. Well,
Speaker 2: he had never been with a porn star before, and
Speaker 2: so this was his like, surprise, surprise, here's your porn
Speaker 2: star that you can be with. And so I introduced
Speaker 2: them and they did their thing, and then at the end,
Speaker 2: I come out naked and hold up a shirt say, oh,
Speaker 2: you've been porns you know. And and but that's so
Speaker 2: much fun, so much fun. And this last week I
Speaker 2: was actually an FBI agent in one of those feature
Speaker 2: movies that I said that I wanted to be a
Speaker 2: main character. And so that was a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And what is a pink or fetish that you you said,
Speaker 1: you said the the like the rough bondage. I always
Speaker 1: I always differentiate between rough and violent. There is violent
Speaker 1: porn out there, and there's a lot of girls that
Speaker 1: like violent porn. Not a lot. There's a few girls
Speaker 1: that really like violent porn. None of that in bondage
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily my thing, but I understand its huge and
Speaker 1: as accept it. So you already said no interest in
Speaker 1: that type of stuff like slapped in the face or
Speaker 1: this and that. What is another kink or fetish that
Speaker 1: you just have like no interest in pursuing. Like if
Speaker 1: someone were like, I'm sorry, go ahead, water play piss?
Speaker 1: Are we talking piss there? Okay? Just no interest? How
Speaker 1: about you? Pissing on a guy doesn't do anything for you.
Speaker 2: I get requests to pee on camera and like for
Speaker 2: for little customs and stuff, and I really most of them.
Speaker 2: I turn down some of them. I'll say, okay, and
Speaker 2: it's going to cost you an arm and a leg
Speaker 2: because I don't do this. Sure, I'm not quite sure
Speaker 2: what my turn off is about it, even though they'll
Speaker 2: pay an arm and a lang leg for a twenty
Speaker 2: second video, I just don't And I don't know if
Speaker 2: I could pee on somebody, Okay, unless maybe they were
Speaker 2: stung by a jellyfish.
Speaker 1: Sure, fair enough. Oh my god, you better watch Team Skeiths.
Speaker 1: We have a jellyfishine for you next week, exactly this
Speaker 1: flew by. Let me ask you the last question.
Speaker 2: What do you think it's the end?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, at Wendy Rain, you know where you can
Speaker 1: find her link in the episode of description. But I
Speaker 1: have a question for you here. What's the end of game?
Speaker 1: Are you just having fun? While you're having fun? Is
Speaker 1: there a monetary amount? Do you want to reach a
Speaker 1: level of legacy in this industry? Do you want to
Speaker 1: be shooting when you're eighty three years old? Guilf Wendy Rain, Like,
Speaker 1: what are what are your future plans?
Speaker 2: So I would I would actually like to stay in
Speaker 2: it for as long as people will will like me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have people commenting on some of my
Speaker 2: stuff now saying saying I'm too old, and and then
Speaker 2: I get my real fans sticking up for me, saying,
Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. I don't think I'm too old. I
Speaker 2: would like to reach a level of popularity to where
Speaker 2: my name is out there, my name is well known
Speaker 2: that that I can shoot with with all the big companies.
Speaker 2: I'd like to do mainstream for as long as I can,
Speaker 2: as long as they'll have me. I work out very hard.
Speaker 2: I try very hard to stay competing with the younger
Speaker 2: MILFs and the endgame. I don't know if I have
Speaker 2: one in my head. There's not a monetary thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would like to make money, since this is what
Speaker 2: I'm doing now, you know, and it's what I've been
Speaker 2: doing for a year and a half.
Speaker 1: I think the.
Speaker 2: Only thing, the only thing, but I think that that
Speaker 2: the legacy that I'm going to leave is that you
Speaker 2: know I have good boobs.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, and it's I hope you
Speaker 1: don't take this as an insult, because I'm going to
Speaker 1: So I went and I was I was looking through
Speaker 1: a couple of year scenes earlier today just to get
Speaker 1: a sense of like, Okay, this is how she shoots
Speaker 1: this and that and one scene shot with the top
Speaker 1: of your head, and I was like oh, she has
Speaker 1: a very pretty face. And again I had seen your age,
Speaker 1: had done research, and I went, she probably has a
Speaker 1: nice mom body. As we're panning down and we got down,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy shit, Wendy works out. Huh, you
Speaker 1: don't have a mom body. Yeah, you look phenomenal.
Speaker 2: I don't have a mom body and I'm not a mom.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, sure, yeah, But you know that's a really
Speaker 1: weird relative term. In this industry. There's twenty six year
Speaker 1: olds that get cast in milk scenes. So oh, I know.
Speaker 2: I have a full Excel spreadsheet with them too.
Speaker 1: Let me ask this, don't give me details before this.
Speaker 1: Did you have some sort of a corporate job or
Speaker 1: an office job? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Side in a bathing suit with water.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to use. Was it a bikini
Speaker 1: car wash? That sounds cool? I don't know how to
Speaker 1: use Excel? Worth shit. So it's funny that you have
Speaker 1: spreadsheets for everything and it's broken down.
Speaker 2: And I learned from that job how to use Excel.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I have all these spreadsheets is
Speaker 2: because when I was independent and I didn't have an agent,
Speaker 2: I needed to know my competition, which I still need
Speaker 2: to know my competition, not that I consider them competition,
Speaker 2: because we support each other, at least to the best
Speaker 2: of our ability. I was looking for production companies and
Speaker 2: directors and people like that that I could reach out
Speaker 2: to and say, hey, I'm independent. Now if you want
Speaker 2: to book me, this is how you contact me. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. So I still have them, they're
Speaker 2: not really updated. And then I have a list of
Speaker 2: like male creators that I might want to do content
Speaker 2: with for our sites things like that. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: did that when I had downtime.
Speaker 1: Should have been taking pictures though, should have been snapping selfies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wouldn't have wanted to see me.
Speaker 1: Then I bet you know what disagree? I bet you've
Speaker 1: been very beautiful of your life. One thank you, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen at Wendy Rain links to everything in the
Speaker 1: episode description. Please make sure you support the people we
Speaker 1: talk to, otherwise we don't talk to them anymore. We
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming with me, and.
Speaker 2: That thank you for having me. This was one