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Speaker 2: a little more colology, Okay. In the episode with doctor
Speaker 2: Renee Engeln, we talked all about beauty standards and the
Speaker 2: history and the engine that drives the commerce behind it,
Speaker 2: and how appearance and confidence can be linked both for
Speaker 2: better and for worse. And I ask on Twitter and
Speaker 2: Patreon and in the Facebook group for your stories. I
Speaker 2: got almost one hundred emails from you men, women, non
Speaker 2: binary listeners of all backgrounds and opinions, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to share your stories. So I'm putting out a second
Speaker 2: extra bonus episode because i want you guys to have
Speaker 2: a voice in this. And I'm admittedly a little scared
Speaker 2: to put these colology episodes out because I'll quote a
Speaker 2: friend I don't want to yuck your youm Beauty culture
Speaker 2: can be fun and empowering and artistic, and it can
Speaker 2: feel kind of like a treat.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Self care and beauty routines are super intertwined with each other,
Speaker 2: and confidence affects us in life, work, and in personal relationships.
Speaker 2: But beauty standards have also made us turn like a
Speaker 2: pretty harsh and literally distorted, wide angle selfie lens on ourselves.
Speaker 2: And I'm just hoping that seeing the mechanisms of keeping
Speaker 2: us questioning our bodies and faces will take away the
Speaker 2: power and leave the choice of how you look up
Speaker 2: to you, not what you think other people expect. So
Speaker 2: I think beauty culture could be kind of like the holidays,
Speaker 2: like it could be a treat, It could give you
Speaker 2: warm feelings, but it could also be a stressful drag
Speaker 2: that drains you of all of your money. And it
Speaker 2: really depends on how much you're trying to match magazines
Speaker 2: and go above expectations that feel natural to you. In
Speaker 2: this minisod solo, we're gonna hear from you will learn
Speaker 2: how beauty culture has affected your lives, because I just
Speaker 2: think most of us think we're alone on this like.
Speaker 2: I have had blackheads since sixth grade, every single day
Speaker 2: of my life since then, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: the only person who looks at their dotted nose and
Speaker 2: goes why me. I feel like I'm the only one
Speaker 2: on planet Earth. Also, bur strips don't work on me.
Speaker 2: I've googled all the tips. Nothing works.
Speaker 3: Whatever. I think my teeth look weird.
Speaker 2: I wrestle with my curls, and it has been suggested
Speaker 2: by TV map artists that I get botox and I have.
Speaker 2: In my case, I looked like harat Top and I
Speaker 2: was out like five hundred bucks. It wasn't good. In fact,
Speaker 2: one of the things I love about doing this podcast
Speaker 2: ology so much is that I'm recording this right now
Speaker 2: in no makeup, in my closet. My hair is in
Speaker 2: a bun, no mass era. It doesn't matter, you guys,
Speaker 2: just accept me for like my thoughts and my stupid
Speaker 2: questions and words and curiosity, and not if my hair
Speaker 2: has been straightened and then meticulously recurled, or if my
Speaker 2: face looks symmetrical enough, or if you would like swipe
Speaker 2: a certain way on a dating app with me. So
Speaker 2: this podcast has been really empowering for me because it's
Speaker 2: made me value myself in ways that aren't revoked if
Speaker 2: my gray roots are showing or if I look tired.
Speaker 2: So I've been there. I struggled to with appearance in
Speaker 2: so many ways. And in these episodes, I'm not posing
Speaker 2: any huge solutions, Like it's not realistic for a lot
Speaker 2: of us to just up and go natural and be like,
Speaker 2: fuck you world, But we can get a better handle
Speaker 2: on why we feel the way we do and maybe
Speaker 2: find some power in saying, yeah, no, I see what
Speaker 2: you're doing there. Like you know, when you rent a
Speaker 2: car and then they try to tell you that you
Speaker 2: need a bunch of extra insurance, but really your own
Speaker 2: car insurance covers it. Once you know that, you can
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, no, I see what's happening.
Speaker 3: I'm good things.
Speaker 2: Also, just Ani, I read all of your letters, every
Speaker 2: last one, and I'm including excerpts from as many as possible.
Speaker 2: I left out some details I thought might be too
Speaker 2: hard to hear, but you know, we do hear about
Speaker 2: everything from shaving to body image to mascara and what
Speaker 2: we see on Instagram. Just so you know we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about that stuff. Your stories were personal, They
Speaker 2: were illuminating. They were super validating, and I hope this
Speaker 2: makes you see that everyone, no matter what their social
Speaker 2: media looks like, or how perfect they appear, or how
Speaker 2: little you think you relate to them, or if they
Speaker 2: look different from your friends, we all have similar insecurities,
Speaker 2: and everyone deserves more kindness and less judgment. The fact
Speaker 2: that any of us have survived the journey from an
Speaker 2: embryo to an actual breathing person is just a fucking
Speaker 2: beautiful miracle of science and molecules and chants. And to
Speaker 2: criticize ourselves for not being replicas of a magazine ad
Speaker 2: selling hair gel is just criminal. So let's hear your perspectives.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: So, first off, on the topic of social media, listener
Speaker 2: mister Anthony Black of the Love Examiner podcast Delightful I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of his on social media said, my
Speaker 2: friends and I are always talking about Instagram is ruining
Speaker 2: our lives. We follow people who look impossibly perfect and
Speaker 2: are constantly subconsciously comparing ourselves to them. It's like we're
Speaker 2: not judging ourselves in a mirror anymore. We're judging our
Speaker 2: entire social media narrative on the number of likes we receive.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good point. I think we
Speaker 2: all kind of do that. I mean, amen to that.
Speaker 2: Renee is like just follow dogs, and if you can
Speaker 2: get away with it, it seems like a fine tactic.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should just open a secret account and it
Speaker 2: won't be called Schmadvoord von pod Blast. I really might
Speaker 2: just open an account that just follows dogs. First letter
Speaker 2: we're going to start out with is from Radka Vikaria,
Speaker 2: who says I think confidence makes people beautiful. If you
Speaker 2: feel good about the way you look at shows and
Speaker 2: smiles are contagious, you might even cause an epidemic. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like wearing nice underwear for a big day,
Speaker 2: even though you know one's going to see it. So
Speaker 2: we'll have that as our starting thought. Thank you, Ronka.
Speaker 3: Confidence. It's like cool underpants.
Speaker 2: I wanted to hear from some people who love makeup
Speaker 2: and who like beauty culture, and Kimberly Hudson wrote in
Speaker 2: and said, Hey, I'm a forty three year old lady
Speaker 2: no brag who's been on a mild year long skincare bender.
Speaker 2: I have sheet masks, clay masks, toners, serums, stuff with
Speaker 2: snail glue and vitamin c and maybe gold. It makes
Speaker 2: me feel better about aging, since I can't stop that
Speaker 2: from happening and botox.
Speaker 3: Creeps me out.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of self esteem, and I think everyone
Speaker 2: is easier to exist with when they like themselves. Paula
Speaker 2: Herrera says, well, I have a lot of strong feelings
Speaker 2: about the pressure women have to wear makeup in society,
Speaker 2: like how a woman wearing makeup will probably get a
Speaker 2: job over a woman not wearing makeup. Ugh, I do
Speaker 2: like the feeling makeup can give me. I work from
Speaker 2: home and I rarely have to go out and see
Speaker 2: anyone during the workday, but I still love getting ready
Speaker 2: in the morning. I don't go full glamor or anything,
Speaker 2: but my mood definitely changes when I finish up my
Speaker 2: morning routine with some fresh my just my quick thoughts
Speaker 2: this morning while I get ready for the day. Caitlyn
Speaker 2: wrote in and said, I think there are a lot
Speaker 2: of unreasonable standards out there for women and men. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, I love makeup. My collection is out
Speaker 2: of control. I've been known to do a full face
Speaker 2: of glam makeup by myself at home on a Tuesday
Speaker 2: night before bed. Of course, it always looks best when
Speaker 2: you aren't leaving the house. She says, what annoys me
Speaker 2: most is the assumption that people think I feel like
Speaker 2: I have to wear makeup.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Eighty percent of the time I look like a swamp monster.
Speaker 2: Doesn't bother me, but I love the creativity and the
Speaker 2: artistry they can.
Speaker 3: Go into makeup. I guess I just wished that people.
Speaker 2: Realize that there's room for everyone to just do what
Speaker 2: they want and what makes them happy. She says, sorry
Speaker 2: if this is ramblying, it's past my bedtimes. Sarah Michelle
Speaker 2: wrote in and said, though I don't wear makeup very
Speaker 2: often myself, I absolutely love it and admire artists who
Speaker 2: can create everything from beautiful, glamorous looks to scary illusions
Speaker 2: and even special effects makeup with like normal everyday beauty products.
Speaker 2: Shout out to glam and Gore on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Hey Girl.
Speaker 2: She says, I spend a lot of money on makeup
Speaker 2: because it's fun to play with and who doesn't like
Speaker 2: to pretend they're making a makeup tutorial in the bathroom
Speaker 2: by themselves at three am.
Speaker 4: No, just me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't speak to anyone else, but in my
Speaker 2: experience as a bisexual girl who is moderately open about
Speaker 2: her sexuality. I do find that some people are surprised
Speaker 2: to learn of my orientation and that I don't look gay.
Speaker 3: It happens.
Speaker 2: I don't get offended by the phrasing myself signed your
Speaker 2: weird stepdaughter who will put any type of leftovers into
Speaker 2: a tortilla, best sign off. Mad's Clement wrote in, and
Speaker 2: they said beauty standards have messed me up for a
Speaker 2: long time. I'm not traditionally attractive, in fat, I don't
Speaker 2: identify with either side of the gender binary. Never in
Speaker 2: my life have I fit the mold of a beautiful person.
Speaker 2: They say mainstream beauty culture for a long time destroyed me.
Speaker 2: It still does, However, I've found a lot of comfort
Speaker 2: and makeup.
Speaker 3: It's expensive.
Speaker 2: I think that the beauty industry prays on people's perceived
Speaker 2: flaws and don't even get me started on racism. But
Speaker 2: makeup is an art form, and I think it's great.
Speaker 2: Humans like to paint things on our body.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we've continued that tradition. However, I don't think
Speaker 2: there should be an obligation to wear it because you're
Speaker 2: imperfect without it. Makeup is art. It's a choice, and
Speaker 2: people are beautiful with and without it. I was curious
Speaker 2: what dudes thought of beauty culture. I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: dudes right in. Oloff wrote in and said, I generally
Speaker 2: like what women can do and bring out with makeup.
Speaker 2: I partly don't want to know how much time is
Speaker 2: spent on something and the discomforts that go with it.
Speaker 2: I can only hope it's worth it and women gain
Speaker 2: what they would like to gain. If I look at
Speaker 2: it from the perspective of what sparked love that was
Speaker 2: never looks. I also was never attracted to the more
Speaker 2: beautiful girlfriend bye Olof, so Olof is like, don't tell
Speaker 2: me how much it hurts. I don't want to know. Also,
Speaker 2: if I love you, I love you well, okay. Jeffrey
Speaker 2: wrote in and said, as a sis, straight, older, mid
Speaker 2: forties white male, there have traditionally been a few socially
Speaker 2: acceptable modes of physical adornment. One of the few ways
Speaker 2: I can adorn myself with something, in a word, pretty,
Speaker 2: and have that adornment not carry with it A lot
Speaker 2: of societal implications about my sexuality and personality is via tattoos.
Speaker 2: In my experience, take for example, flowers, pretty flowers. Right
Speaker 2: now I have on my body four colorful, pretty p
Speaker 2: andy flowers and one large rose bloom. So sometimes duds
Speaker 2: want to have pretty stuff and they're like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: I indeed into my skiin, which is also cool and painful,
Speaker 2: but not as painful as waxig. Rob wrote in and said,
Speaker 2: newly single again, I've been working the various dating apps
Speaker 2: and I'm finding it a bit disheartening when a woman's
Speaker 2: posting specifies only guys over five to ten or no
Speaker 2: one under six feet? Is this height shaming, slash discrimination?
Speaker 2: Or am I being too sensitive? I'd have no issue
Speaker 2: with someone being taller than me, certainly with the whole
Speaker 2: body acceptance thing. Can judging someone by their height still
Speaker 2: be okay? That's a great question, Rob, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I definitely think you should talk to other dudes about it,
Speaker 2: and ladies, if you're hearing this, just think you could
Speaker 2: be missing out on really cool ologites on those apps.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, you want to go on a bug
Speaker 2: hunt with me?
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 2: Joe wrote in and said, as a man, I would
Speaker 2: really like to have more style choices and have more
Speaker 2: information available on how to take care of my skin
Speaker 2: and things like that. On the flip side, I really
Speaker 2: like for women not to feel like they need to
Speaker 2: compare themselves to impossible beauty standards. In closing, I'd really
Speaker 2: like for everyone to be who they want to be.
Speaker 2: Everyone should be allowed to be comfortable with the way
Speaker 2: they look. Yes, Joe Joe for President agreed. Russell wrote
Speaker 2: in and said the closest I came to understanding my
Speaker 2: ego came in college when the website Hot or Not
Speaker 2: was unleashed on the world. I uploaded a few photos
Speaker 2: and got rated as high as seven point five. When
Speaker 2: my ratings fell into the mid sixth range, I felt
Speaker 2: vaguely upset, but also ashamed of being upset. Bob wrote
Speaker 2: in and said, being a straight man, most beauty standards
Speaker 2: don't apply often. That being said, I think women place
Speaker 2: far too much emphasis on their beauty routines. Most men
Speaker 2: I know are really indifferent as to a woman's appearance
Speaker 2: as long as she's clean. And I wrote back, Ha,
Speaker 2: good point. How do you define clean, Bob? And he said,
Speaker 2: at the moment, my standards have been adjusted to just
Speaker 2: not having noticeable body odor. So if you don't stink,
Speaker 2: hit up Bob Dylan wrote in and said I've had
Speaker 2: a bit of debate over whether or not i should
Speaker 2: send this, but in the words of everyone about to
Speaker 2: do something wrong, fuck it, and wrote in high school,
Speaker 2: I always went to school with perfect hair and I
Speaker 2: had an emo fringe. We have all had dark fashion moments.
Speaker 2: I got a letter from Mike who said, I have
Speaker 2: a lot of conflicting thoughts about beauty culture. For reference,
Speaker 2: I'm assists hetero, middle aged, mixed race, polish MCAC dude.
Speaker 2: I think, like everyone, I've been insecure about my appearance,
Speaker 2: both for my ability to attract women and because my
Speaker 2: looks favorite the name side of my family, and I'm
Speaker 2: often treated like an outsider and suspected by the white
Speaker 2: majority community. That sucks, and I'm sorry, he writes. Before
Speaker 2: she had cancer, my wife, Melissa was an attorney. She
Speaker 2: had to be extremely careful about what she wore and
Speaker 2: how she presented herself. She had to look professional, to
Speaker 2: appear competent, but not too soft or feminine, because she
Speaker 2: needs to control her often violent, sexist, and crude male clients.
Speaker 3: Since she's been.
Speaker 2: Sick, she's lost her hair twice from radiation, gained a
Speaker 2: lot of weight from steroids and uses a walker to
Speaker 2: get around. She's still the most beautiful woman in the
Speaker 2: world to me, despite my statements to the contrary. She
Speaker 2: still feels that people are judging her for how she looks.
Speaker 2: This is the harm I think our society's emphasis on
Speaker 2: beauty does. She is the strongest, smartest, kindest woman I've
Speaker 2: ever known, but she's been conditioned to feel embarrassed that
Speaker 2: she doesn't look better while fighting a terminal brain tumor.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sending that, Mike, please hug Melissa for me.
Speaker 3: So yes.
Speaker 2: Plenty of you guys wrote into me saying that you
Speaker 2: hate beauty culture, you feel oppressed and pissed by it,
Speaker 2: and I related to so many of these, which is
Speaker 2: why I'm going to redom. You can hear what other
Speaker 2: listeners had to say about this. I got a letter
Speaker 2: from doctor Trista Edwards, who says, I feel like I've
Speaker 2: spent a ridiculous amount of time discussing with other female
Speaker 2: friends how much we hate our own appearance and how
Speaker 2: much we spend on trying to change except and improve
Speaker 2: our appearance. Intelligently. I know it's all BS, patriarchy, capitalism, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: So I still don't know why I spend so much
Speaker 2: time hating on myself and my appearance. It's so ingrained
Speaker 2: that the mind beasties always seem to win out over
Speaker 2: what I actually value. I will believe in the narrative
Speaker 2: that without makeup, I look old or tired, unkempt, all
Speaker 2: of which I know is completely absurd. I feel like
Speaker 2: I could go on endlessly about this, But I love
Speaker 2: that growing me presence of gender fluidity is changing the
Speaker 2: makeup game. I love that women and folks of varying sizes,
Speaker 2: body types, color and varying abilities are changing the standards
Speaker 2: of beauty. But we all have a long way to go,
Speaker 2: mostly with acceptance for ourselves. Lisa wrote in and said,
Speaker 2: there's the general resentment with how long it takes me
Speaker 2: to get ready for a day of work. I try
Speaker 2: to move faster, but somehow it always takes me about
Speaker 2: an hour to get ready. Meanwhile, my spouse is up
Speaker 2: and ready in five minutes. That means he ends up
Speaker 2: with more free time to do his own things. Well,
Speaker 2: my workday is extended, Oh my word. Over the years,
Speaker 2: I've slowly been able to break free, and now I
Speaker 2: can go on makeup free vacations and weekends, which is
Speaker 2: such a freeing move. The time back and the break
Speaker 2: from the stupid routine is so excellent. Definitely wish there
Speaker 2: was more parody on this. I would love to see
Speaker 2: more men wearing makeup and women more free to wear less.
Speaker 2: Stephanie wrote in and echoed that and said, I wish
Speaker 2: it was more acceptable to not wear makeup. It's frustrating
Speaker 2: because I just don't care about makeup and I can't
Speaker 2: be bothered to put any on most days. I remember
Speaker 2: reading several articles about how women who don't wear makeup
Speaker 2: were seen as less professional at work than women who
Speaker 2: do wear makeup. On the other hand, for women who
Speaker 2: do wear makeup, if you wear too much, apparently that
Speaker 2: can limit you professionally. It seems like we're damned if
Speaker 2: we do, damned if we don't. Anonymous wrote in and said,
Speaker 2: I'm a forty one year old SIS, a sexual white
Speaker 2: woman who has gained and kept about fifty pounds over
Speaker 2: my doctor's preferred weight from depression treatments. Very uncomfortable appearing
Speaker 2: in public the way I am most comfortable in private.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, girl, you're talking to someone who's not wearing abroad
Speaker 2: and my hair is a bud right now. So yes,
Speaker 2: Anonymous throughout some math, and this is pretty genius. She says,
Speaker 2: my perception is that people who present as female are
Speaker 2: allowed one deviation from the ideal. You are deemed attractive
Speaker 2: or acceptable with buzzed hair if you're also able bodied, thin, symmetrical,
Speaker 2: and dressed ritually. But you can dress like a slob
Speaker 2: if you're thin, white, young, pretty, etc. Great point. Another
Speaker 2: anonymous wrote in and said, I'm in my mid thirties
Speaker 2: and terrified of getting older. I feel my value depreciating
Speaker 2: as I age. It's wrong and sad and uncool. I
Speaker 2: try so hard every day to look pretty with makeup, hair,
Speaker 2: nice outfits. I spend my money on products intended to
Speaker 2: reduce signs of aging. I keep grayze covered, I shave
Speaker 2: my legs and my junk. It's a lot of work,
Speaker 2: and I'm still not what one would consider attractive. She said.
Speaker 2: It's hard because I know that it's with on the
Speaker 2: inside the counts, but it is difficult not to stress
Speaker 2: about appearance and this competitive looks driven society. Jocelyn wrote
Speaker 2: in and said, I have rosetiha and I hate it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to feel pressure to wear makeup when
Speaker 2: I'm at work or at the shops or something, but
Speaker 2: I usually do because it helps me feel normal. How
Speaker 2: is that right? I should be normal as I am,
Speaker 2: without any additions or modifications. Sometimes I enjoy putting on
Speaker 2: makeup and going out, but some days it's a chore
Speaker 2: and I feel like I have to do it. Jordan
Speaker 2: Rurnton And said, I'm a cis woman and I don't
Speaker 2: fit the ideal hourglass pear shaped mold. I've struggled with
Speaker 2: my relationship to my body, and I'm very light skinned,
Speaker 2: so I'm definitely privileged in that sense, but I fall
Speaker 2: prey to the eurocentric beauty standards pushed by our society. However,
Speaker 2: until a few years ago, I spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time and money on makeup and trying to change my
Speaker 2: appearance to meet these standards. I'm not sure how I
Speaker 2: feel about spending so much money, because while it gave
Speaker 2: me more time with myself and a comforting routine, it
Speaker 2: didn't change my relationship with myself and my appearance. I
Speaker 2: think it's down to someone's choice. Sometimes grooming can be
Speaker 2: a peaceful ritual, but it can be a symptom of
Speaker 2: being told we're not enough as we are. We also
Speaker 2: heard from Anne, who mentioned that I was at a
Speaker 2: family gathering a summer or two ago arguing that some
Speaker 2: new Disney movie was misogynistic, and my aunt, exasperated with
Speaker 2: my feminism and overthinking, said well, at least you don't
Speaker 2: have freedom pits, at which point I raised my arms
Speaker 2: and showed her it was complicated. Though I was proud,
Speaker 2: but later I couldn't help but wonder if I should
Speaker 2: be embarrassed.
Speaker 3: What did all the other.
Speaker 2: Family members think? Why do I feel that people feel
Speaker 2: threatened by women who don't shave? Also, I'd like you
Speaker 2: to know that her email was titled freedom pits. Freedom
Speaker 2: pits are a thing I'm learning so much. I got
Speaker 2: an email from Shannon, who was a model, who said,
Speaker 2: when I was sixteen during the modeling years, one of
Speaker 2: the things I saw up close and personal was how
Speaker 2: our bodies in advertising are just to sell a product.
Speaker 2: We are no different than a shoe rack selling high
Speaker 2: heels or a set table marketing silverware. But I also
Speaker 2: saw so many girls in my grade try to be
Speaker 2: the size of the magazine girls, which is barely the
Speaker 2: point of the ads. The shoes are the point, the
Speaker 2: money's the point. The photographer probably didn't even know that
Speaker 2: girl's name. And I'm sad at how much body sadness
Speaker 2: I saw in the industry, when in reality, the designers
Speaker 2: don't care about anything other than how a garden falls.
Speaker 2: Models may well be plastic. I got a letter from
Speaker 2: a friend, Sarah, who says, as to your question, how
Speaker 2: much do I think about all this beauty culture all
Speaker 2: the time? I can logically look at this dilemma and say,
Speaker 2: my appearance has zero correlation to my self worth. I
Speaker 2: feel like this is true for everyone. Every person has
Speaker 2: an intrinsic value that has nothing to do with what
Speaker 2: they look like. However, growing up as a girl in America,
Speaker 2: the idea that what I'm worth is almost entirely based
Speaker 2: on what I look like is deeply ingrained in me.
Speaker 2: As much as I call bullshit on this idea, I
Speaker 2: can't seem to let it go. The central idea that
Speaker 2: I grapple with is how can I feel good about
Speaker 2: my appearance? When I believe feeling good about my appearance?
Speaker 2: Should it matter? Oh, this is a great point. How
Speaker 2: should I treat my beauty routine when I believe it
Speaker 2: shouldn't matter. How I usually deal with this dilemma, she says,
Speaker 2: is to completely avoid it altogether. I feel so bad
Speaker 2: about the way I look that I feel like if
Speaker 2: I ignore it, I can sort of feel like it
Speaker 2: isn't there. Part of what Sarah deals with is alopecia.
Speaker 2: She says, part of it is comfort too. I feel
Speaker 2: uncomfortable wearing makeup, and of course the wig is the worst,
Speaker 2: but it's more that I feel so conspicuous when I
Speaker 2: dress up. My heart hurts for my daughter that she
Speaker 2: will feel even a tenth of the pain I feel
Speaker 2: about my appearance. I'm actively working on it, though, I
Speaker 2: guess I just wanted to find for myself what it
Speaker 2: means to feel beautiful and how much of a beauty
Speaker 2: routine would go into it.
Speaker 3: Love you, Sarah.
Speaker 2: I got a few other great emails from moms who
Speaker 2: had different perspectives on beauty culture after they popped out
Speaker 2: some bibbis. Vanessa says, I'm a white, CIS hetero woman. Personally,
Speaker 2: my biggest struggle has been with acne. I had cystic acne,
Speaker 2: so not only did it look terrible at the time,
Speaker 2: but it hurt a lot. My skin is now much
Speaker 2: better than it has ever been, but I will never
Speaker 2: get peach skin. I mostly avoid wearing makeup since my
Speaker 2: skin tends to break out more easily afterward. But since
Speaker 2: I've had kids, I'm trying real hard every day to
Speaker 2: love myself just the way I am. The most important
Speaker 2: thing for me is not deprecating myself in front of
Speaker 2: my kids, especially my daughter, who is now seven years old.
Speaker 2: Her style can be pretty gender neutral, but even then
Speaker 2: I see her giving more and more attention to how
Speaker 2: she looks, and sometimes I find it hard. She's just
Speaker 2: a kid. I don't see my boy in front of
Speaker 2: the mirror placing his hair up in the morning. He
Speaker 2: goes out the door with peanut butter up to his
Speaker 2: forehead without giving a fuck. Clearly, society is sending a
Speaker 2: toxic message to girls and women or any people identifying
Speaker 2: as women, and as a parent, I sometimes feel clueless.
Speaker 2: I mean, you want your kids growing up loving themselves,
Speaker 2: you want their self esteem to be through the roof.
Speaker 2: But yet as a thirty something adult, you still struggle
Speaker 2: with all those things. But that's a great point. The
Speaker 2: idea that little dudes just leave the house peanut butter
Speaker 2: up to their eyebrows. Don't give a fuck. Stephanie also
Speaker 2: had a different take on beauty since she became a mom.
Speaker 2: She says, anyway, maybe a weird take on your question. However,
Speaker 2: over the last year, I've had a complete shift in
Speaker 2: how I view beauty, modesty, and the female body in general.
Speaker 2: I was raised really conservative, so very modest. Flash forward
Speaker 2: to being pregnant with my wee little babers and having
Speaker 2: my bod wrecked by pregnancy. Now, in case you didn't know,
Speaker 2: pregnancy is rough. Between your body taking on a completely
Speaker 2: new shape and at leaking weird fluids constantly, you don't
Speaker 2: particularly care what other people think of you, at least
Speaker 2: I didn't. I found some hella beauty though, in myself
Speaker 2: and the other moms around me, Like women are strong
Speaker 2: as hell. When you whip out your tit for the
Speaker 2: millionth time in public, you find your own version of beauty,
Speaker 2: and you find yourself cheering for every single body type,
Speaker 2: every single expression of a strong body in whatever form
Speaker 2: that may take. Now I'm rocking literally whatever the hell
Speaker 2: I want to wear, whatever I think looks good stuff.
Speaker 2: I was too worried to have people judge me in before.
Speaker 2: So moms open in minds over here, and I heard
Speaker 2: from a lot of people who dealt not so much
Speaker 2: with beauty and makeup and lipstick and mascara, but just
Speaker 2: being comfortable in their own bodies. Lisa says, I'm a
Speaker 2: plus sized teenager who's just starting to accept her body
Speaker 2: the way it is. Looking back at photos of me,
Speaker 2: I now realize how skewed my own perception of myself
Speaker 2: used to be. I saw myself as a lot bigger
Speaker 2: than I actually was, because people tend to taunt you,
Speaker 2: whether you have five pounds too much or fifty pounds.
Speaker 2: So I'm hopeful for the future as I'm trying to
Speaker 2: look past society's beauty standards and find my own. Someone
Speaker 2: named Kat wrote in and said I was bullied at
Speaker 2: school for being tall and skinny, what many people see
Speaker 2: as the ideal. I got teased for looking at her
Speaker 2: exic when I was just a growing, lean kid. As
Speaker 2: I got older, I gained weight and felt pressure to
Speaker 2: be skinny. I still feel these pressures today, but I
Speaker 2: try to remind myself that I should only keep myself
Speaker 2: happy and healthy and the rest doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 2: Someone named Rachel wrote in and had a similar experience,
Speaker 2: saying that she grew up as a skinny mini should
Speaker 2: have strangers come up and ask me with concern if
Speaker 2: I was aware that I was too skinny, and she
Speaker 2: envied the hell out of real woman who had curves
Speaker 2: and stretch marks and chubb. I knew our culture said
Speaker 2: that my thin frame was the ideal, but I felt
Speaker 2: like it was a false equivalent of beautiful, made up
Speaker 2: by selfish, greedy people. It was a weird space to
Speaker 2: be in. Anyway, I've come to like myself a lot
Speaker 2: more in the past few years. I've accepted that my
Speaker 2: beauty doesn't have to compete with anybody else's, and I've
Speaker 2: come to realize what bullshit a lot of beauty standards are. Anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 2: this turned into a bit of a therapy session. Hey, Rachel,
Speaker 2: I loved it. Thanks for opening up. Jay wrote in
Speaker 2: to say that her parents' favorite form of shit talking
Speaker 2: when they were young was to call other people fat
Speaker 2: and ugly. She said, my folks loved me unconditionally and
Speaker 2: never said anything unkind to them, but they were brutal
Speaker 2: about themselves and other people. And this is from two intelligent,
Speaker 2: kind liberal people, so growing up in that environment made
Speaker 2: me self conscious about high luck. Obviously, She goes on
Speaker 2: to say I still won't go out in public in
Speaker 2: a sleeve of shirt because I think my arms are
Speaker 2: too fat, and the feminist in me is pissed. Who
Speaker 2: the hell cares? Love yourself the way you are screw
Speaker 2: everyone else. I'd say ninety percent of the time, I'm there,
Speaker 2: but it's tough, and it pisses me off because I
Speaker 2: could be spending that energy and brain power on about
Speaker 2: a million other things that would make me happy or
Speaker 2: make the world better. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with beauty
Speaker 2: in and of itself, but it's all just so fucking exhausting. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I guess my check for our session will be in
Speaker 2: the mail. Super looking forward to this episode. I will
Speaker 2: not invoice you. I enjoyed your emails tremendously. Liz wrote
Speaker 2: in to say, as a person who's always had issues
Speaker 2: with my appearance, I feel like there will never be
Speaker 2: an end to myself criticism. And although I am often
Speaker 2: satisfied with what I see in mirrors when I get ready,
Speaker 2: I always feel embarrassed when I see photos of myself.
Speaker 2: I can't tell what to believe, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I genuinely have no idea what I look like in
Speaker 2: the world. Me personally, I always think of myself as
Speaker 2: what happens when you open your front facing camera. That's
Speaker 2: what I think I look like all the time. So
Speaker 2: just the fact that we have front facing cameras that
Speaker 2: open accidentally is like probably ruining so many people right
Speaker 2: now at this moment. We have to just remember that
Speaker 2: that's not reality. Tracy a guy wrote in to say,
Speaker 2: for me, having just come out as gay to my
Speaker 2: unsupportive parents, a few supportive family members, and a supportive
Speaker 2: close family friend, it's hard to write what I desire
Speaker 2: as I was never able to openly express who I
Speaker 2: truly am. All through high school I was athletics. So
Speaker 2: now I'm trying to get comfortable my own skin as
Speaker 2: an openly gay male, well openly gay as some and
Speaker 2: still working on the rest with.
Speaker 3: Love and support.
Speaker 2: Tracy Anonymous wrote in to say, I would say the
Speaker 2: beauty standards are on my mind about eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the time. I'm a plus size twenty five year old
Speaker 2: woman in the world of beauty, the world in general
Speaker 2: doesn't really cater to people like me. For most of
Speaker 2: my life. I've had horrible self esteem. My body issues
Speaker 2: tend to be very much related to modern standards of
Speaker 2: beauty and whether or not I meet them. I think
Speaker 2: we as humans have a long way to go when
Speaker 2: it comes to kinder beauty standards.
Speaker 3: I hear you with that.
Speaker 2: I also heard from listeners who struggle with racism in
Speaker 2: the beauty industry. Anonymous wrote in and said, Hey, Ali,
Speaker 2: I wanted to give some perspective from that of a halfricin.
Speaker 2: I'm half black and half white. Being mixed is so
Speaker 2: crazy for tons of different reasons. Sometimes you're shunned for
Speaker 2: having the good hair like Becky by the black community.
Speaker 2: Then there's the of course black men date you because
Speaker 2: I'm kurby, and why on earth would a white guy
Speaker 2: date a curby woman. So I've struggled with body image
Speaker 2: of my whole life and why is it socially acceptable
Speaker 2: to walk up to someone and ask what are you?
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking human. You also having to defend my
Speaker 2: answer that I'm mixed and people not believing it is frustrating.
Speaker 2: In terms of some of your other questions. I hate
Speaker 2: my hair. It's curly and I always want to straighten it.
Speaker 2: I've been leaving it natural more often, probably because of humidity.
Speaker 2: There's zero point in straightening it. I think I started
Speaker 2: straightening my hair because of society, though curls were never
Speaker 2: a thing that was highlighted growing up. I've no time
Speaker 2: for me. That's a going out thing only. But these
Speaker 2: are some quick thoughts that came to my mind. Kennedy
Speaker 2: from the Patreon page says, it took me a long
Speaker 2: time to be happy with my curly hair. I used
Speaker 2: to straighten it every day for years when I was younger.
Speaker 2: Not only was it damaging to my hair, but I
Speaker 2: hate to think of all the time I wasted that
Speaker 2: could have been spent elsewhere. Caitlin Donald says, I second
Speaker 2: Kennedy's point about curly hair. My sister is a lawyer
Speaker 2: with very curly hair who's been told multiple times to
Speaker 2: make her hair look a little more professional. And should
Speaker 2: I mention her hair is beautiful. She does a great
Speaker 2: job of keeping a pull back off her face and
Speaker 2: things like that. The only issue is because it's curly.
Speaker 2: As a person with curly hair, I get it. Audre
Speaker 2: wrote in and said, here are my tidbits on calology
Speaker 2: in the adopted from Asia population. I'm adopted from China.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a predominantly white area. Thus I
Speaker 2: grew up surrounded by American beauty standards. Being born into
Speaker 2: one culture yet raised in another results in a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure and two different sets of standards. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm being judged by both simultananeously. I now
Speaker 2: just do what I want, But the high school and
Speaker 2: college years weren't so great. Thanks for listening, Thank you
Speaker 2: for listening. Audra Hi says, as a Vietnamese American, appearance
Speaker 2: pressure in beauty culture is a mixed bag. I've been
Speaker 2: overweight since I was a teen. My aunts meanwhile, but
Speaker 2: there's always a recommendation on a diet, a tea, or
Speaker 2: an exercise routine so that I can lose weight.
Speaker 3: And be pretty.
Speaker 2: My daughter is mixed race and can pass for white.
Speaker 2: I've been asked by shop owners if I'm the babysitter,
Speaker 2: and I know she'll face hurt for not looking Asian enough.
Speaker 2: Sorry for the rant, No apologies, Oh dad pod is here,
Speaker 2: listen now for all of this pressure to look one
Speaker 2: way and wear a makeup. I also heard from a
Speaker 2: bunch of people in academia and in the STEM fields,
Speaker 2: who say it's the opposite. Doctor Tory S. Penson says,
Speaker 2: I'm a neuroscientist or a psychopathologist, if you will. As
Speaker 2: a woman in STEM, I feel like there are the
Speaker 2: same pressures on appearance that you see in the real world,
Speaker 2: except they're flipped. I like to wear dress, this jewelry,
Speaker 2: and makeup, and have found that having a traditionally feminine appearance,
Speaker 2: or putting effort into your appearance, discredits you and leads
Speaker 2: to judgment people I meet it quick to tell me
Speaker 2: I don't look like a scientist. I've heard faculty members
Speaker 2: speaking poorly of women who put effort into their appearance.
Speaker 2: It's important to note that this feedback comes from both
Speaker 2: men and women, and it's a bizarre, flipped twilight zone
Speaker 2: of what we currently think in terms of women's beauty standards.
Speaker 2: I heard that from Jordan too, who says, given my
Speaker 2: experience in the engineering field, I've never experienced any kind
Speaker 2: of expectation for women to wear or makeup at work.
Speaker 2: I heard from another female scientist who says, throughout my
Speaker 2: time in science, I had to balance that impossible, no
Speaker 2: right answer dilemma of looking good but not too good,
Speaker 2: Particularly because as a young scientist, so much depends on
Speaker 2: your ability to get old white men to tell you things.
Speaker 2: They have to be interested and willing to talk to
Speaker 2: you and teach you stuff, but not so interested that
Speaker 2: they get handsy. Sam wrote in and said, I've never
Speaker 2: cared too much about my appearance, instead being the sort
Speaker 2: of person who would rather sacrifice make up application time
Speaker 2: in the morning for sleep. This has worked out for
Speaker 2: me because I am an academic scientist. Often I notice
Speaker 2: that there's a sort of reverse beauty standard effect in academia.
Speaker 2: If someone, a woman especially, takes what is perceived as
Speaker 2: too much time or care in her appearance, often people
Speaker 2: conclude that she must be compensating for poor research.
Speaker 3: Can you believe that?
Speaker 2: Jordan wrote in to say, as an engineer, I do
Speaker 2: not hesitate to show up to work make up lists
Speaker 2: if I don't feel like wearing it that day. I
Speaker 2: have a friend, doctor Crystal Dilworth, who was a neuroscientist,
Speaker 2: who did an entire ted talk in very bright high
Speaker 2: heels just to prove that women in STEM can also
Speaker 2: be girly if they want. I will link it in
Speaker 2: the show notes. So clearly beauty culture is confusing we
Speaker 2: hear you have to look glamorous and perfect. In some cases,
Speaker 2: we also hear don't look too glamorous, or else no
Speaker 2: one will have any faith in your intelligence. It's a
Speaker 2: complete and total mind fuck. And I heard from some
Speaker 2: really wonderful tranceless and I feel super privileged to get
Speaker 2: their voices in here. And Tay rode in and said,
Speaker 2: as a recently out in recently transitioning trans man, I've
Speaker 2: been conflicted about the old beauty habits when I presented
Speaker 2: as a femme woman. While on principle I support men
Speaker 2: wearing makeup. If I do wear makeup or reveal any
Speaker 2: of my girly habits, people misgender me more often. I'm
Speaker 2: still really into makeup and skincare and all that, and
Speaker 2: sometimes I still put on my whole face, but it's
Speaker 2: been difficult dealing with the constraints of traditional masculinity. I
Speaker 2: also heard from Jake, who is a non binary trans man,
Speaker 2: who says I'm an electrologist who an ologist, saying I
Speaker 2: remove hair with a cool machine that zaps people's pores.
Speaker 2: So it would seem like I'm all about beauty, right,
Speaker 2: but it's actually the opposite. I hate beauty culture and
Speaker 2: the expectation for women to be hairless. I hate that
Speaker 2: there are multiple billion dollar industries devoted to creating and
Speaker 2: then profiting off insecurities. I'm not against people want to
Speaker 2: feel beautiful. I'm against the industries that have taken a
Speaker 2: financial incentive to make people feel ugly. All that gets
Speaker 2: a little bit more complicated when it comes to trans people,
Speaker 2: and that's why I remove hair, because for some trans people,
Speaker 2: hair removal isn't just about beauty. It's a dysphoria and
Speaker 2: a safety issue. I'm a non binary trans man and
Speaker 2: all of my clients are trans women. The worst beauty
Speaker 2: standard specific to trans people, in my opinion, is the
Speaker 2: expectation to pass or look exactly like CIS people. It
Speaker 2: ranges from easy to impossible to achieve. But even if
Speaker 2: it's easy, I wish it wasn't necessary. A lot of
Speaker 2: trans women have facial hair that they wish wasn't there,
Speaker 2: and it makes a big quality of life improvement when
Speaker 2: I get rid of it. One thing I can comment
Speaker 2: on from personal is the terrible expectation for women to
Speaker 2: be underweight. Being seen as a guy has been a
Speaker 2: huge relief, not just for my dysphoria, but also being
Speaker 2: allowed to be bigger. Jake says that they struggled with
Speaker 2: diets a kid, and went on to say, there are
Speaker 2: many people involved in creating and marketing these diets that
Speaker 2: have destroyed my life and health and the lives of
Speaker 2: tons of other people. And that's my main beef with
Speaker 2: the beauty industry. It's hurting people. I love the art side,
Speaker 2: but the dark side is much larger and way more profitable.
Speaker 2: Anonymous wrote in and said, Hey, Okay, so I guess
Speaker 2: my main thing I want to say is that I'm
Speaker 2: a trans masculine Korean person adopted by white people. My
Speaker 2: identity is complicated, to say the least, and Western culture
Speaker 2: definitely feminizes Asian men. The examples of Asian men considered
Speaker 2: attractive that I see in media are like K pop stars.
Speaker 2: As an Asian person assigned female at birth, it often
Speaker 2: feels hopeless. It's really hard thing to navigate as I'm
Speaker 2: trying to present myself in a masculine way. I guess
Speaker 2: that's all I have to say. Cheers, cheers back at you,
Speaker 2: and thank you for emailing me from your vacation. Anna
Speaker 2: also wrote in and said a bit about me. I'm
Speaker 2: a full time trans woman. I'm married to assists woman
Speaker 2: who's simply the great. I've been on hormone therapy for
Speaker 2: about six months now. I don't pass as female on
Speaker 2: any day really, but I do what I can. Beauty
Speaker 2: standards is a tricky one for me. They're very intertwined
Speaker 2: with my transition and self perception. They are all at
Speaker 2: once positive and negative. I spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: occupied with beauty standards, sometimes painfully, so I'm always comparing
Speaker 2: my face and body to CIS gendered women, seeing how
Speaker 2: I size up to conventional female beauty. I will get
Speaker 2: made up when I'm alone because I feel more feminine
Speaker 2: and happier when I see myself in the mirror. I
Speaker 2: also wish it was more accepted for CIS men to
Speaker 2: wear makeup and just generally for people to be who they.
Speaker 4: Want to be.
Speaker 2: I really think now and historically, the trands in the
Speaker 2: queer community has opened doors for CIS gendered and heteropeople
Speaker 2: to say, is this stereotype of what I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: look like or what I'm supposed to behave like?
Speaker 3: Is it really fitting well for me?
Speaker 2: And so I just want to say a big thanks
Speaker 2: to an LGTBQ plus community for opening those doors. I
Speaker 2: heard from Corey who says I'm a white, asexual, a
Speaker 2: romantic CIS woman in my thirties, and I've never really
Speaker 2: cared about makeup. I do wish that makeup and hair
Speaker 2: weren't so gendered. I feel like I'm not always taken
Speaker 2: seriously in business environments because I don't wear makeup, a
Speaker 2: hair isn't done. A beauty regime is something you do
Speaker 2: for yourself, So mind your own business, everyone. An anonymous
Speaker 2: woman also wrote in and said it for a long time,
Speaker 2: I was questioning whether or not to describe myself as
Speaker 2: a sexual or ace. The people I did talk to
Speaker 2: about being a sexual often told me that I couldn't
Speaker 2: make that decision because I'm a plus sized woman and
Speaker 2: thus men weren't interested in me. My sexuality apparently had
Speaker 2: to be tied to how beautiful and attractive other people
Speaker 2: found me. The thing is, being a sexual is about
Speaker 2: the amount of sexual attraction and or desire you feel
Speaker 2: and experience. It is distinctly not about the amount of
Speaker 2: sexual attraction or desire other people feel or experience towards you.
Speaker 2: That takes away my agency over my own body, takes
Speaker 2: away the idea that women are sexual beings without men around,
Speaker 2: and disregards that plus size women experience attraction and desire
Speaker 2: and are in good relationships. It's pretty offensive, very good point.
Speaker 2: Those people suck. Wesley, who signs himself as a baby
Speaker 2: Lawyer to Be, says, I'm assist male who's recently lost
Speaker 2: some weight. I'm twenty three, I'm young, however, I have
Speaker 2: some stretch marks. Stretch marks are something that I feel
Speaker 2: gay men hide a lot. A bunch of us have them,
Speaker 2: but no one talks about them or shows them. So Wesley,
Speaker 2: Baby Lawyer to Be, where you talk about them the
Speaker 2: less people don't talk about them.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah, so way to go.
Speaker 2: I really loved reading all of your letters, and I'm
Speaker 2: really glad that I put out this episode because giving
Speaker 2: voice to all of your thoughts and your different perspectives
Speaker 2: is so important to understanding that our specific insecurities might
Speaker 2: be different, but they all affect us in really the
Speaker 2: same way. We all question whether or not we're good enough.
Speaker 2: If you listen to the Froology episode Mary Poff and Roth,
Speaker 2: that was like one of her big tenants is we
Speaker 2: just worry we're not good enough, and that's what bees
Speaker 2: beauty standards to to us. And I really also just
Speaker 2: want to put my things out to the LGPDQ plus community.
Speaker 2: I said this in the Gynecology episode, but y'all are
Speaker 2: on the front lines in terms of changing the way
Speaker 2: we look at super binary gender norms. I think those
Speaker 2: hurt us a lot, and not only can we all
Speaker 2: learn about being who we truly are in accepting yourselves,
Speaker 2: you're also helping other people accept themselves. So thank you
Speaker 2: for that. One of the last emails I'll read is
Speaker 2: from a white CIS woman named Melissa, who says, I
Speaker 2: wanted to tell you about what happened when I started
Speaker 2: watching RuPaul's Drag Race with my kids.
Speaker 3: It was my birthday.
Speaker 2: I really wanted to watch it, so I let my
Speaker 2: kids watch along with me, even knowing there would be
Speaker 2: a lot of swearing. This first episode and the rest
Speaker 2: of the season that we watched together sparked some really
Speaker 2: important and interesting conversations about beauty, appearance, gender sexuality. When
Speaker 2: we watched Drag Queens Get dulled Up, we had a
Speaker 2: conversation about how boys and girls don't have to follow rules,
Speaker 2: about how people think they should should dress or behave.
Speaker 2: When we saw the drag Queens put on makeup, we
Speaker 2: talked about how makeup can be a way to have
Speaker 2: fun and express our unique personalities. When we listen to
Speaker 2: the drag Queens talk about their sexuality and rejection from
Speaker 2: their families, it started a great conversation about accepting people
Speaker 2: and themselves no matter who they choose to love. And
Speaker 2: within a few weeks of watching these episodes, my son
Speaker 2: decided to dress up as Ruth Bader Ginsberg for a
Speaker 2: class presentation on his hero My daughter signed up to
Speaker 2: be the only girl on her tea ball team and
Speaker 2: now proudly proclaims that blue is her favorite color. While
Speaker 2: I can't prove it, I suspect that their choices were
Speaker 2: due in large part to Drag Race and the conversations
Speaker 2: that it prompted. And of course I'm attaching pictures. She
Speaker 2: attached pictures of her son dressed as Ruth bader Ginsberg
Speaker 2: and her daughter on a t ball team, And I'm
Speaker 2: literally crying right now, And she says, ps, I told
Speaker 2: my kids about slug penises today and they laugh their
Speaker 2: asses off. Alissa, cool mom, dude. In closing, I wanted
Speaker 2: to read an email from a listener named Terra Schill,
Speaker 2: who had written me one email about her conflicts with
Speaker 2: beauty culture, and then sent a follow up email called
Speaker 2: Beauty Thoughts Part Two. I realized that I forgot to
Speaker 2: mention to you what I find beautiful, she says, The Earth, wild, animals, nature,
Speaker 2: David Attenborough, my crush for life, love on others, the
Speaker 2: eyes of everything, living whales, lions, elephants, rhinos, frogs, Spiders
Speaker 2: are a phenomenal creature.
Speaker 3: Birds.
Speaker 2: I want to be a bald eagle in my string theory,
Speaker 2: universe trees are freaking amazingly beautiful. Innocence, freedom is awesome
Speaker 2: and beautiful. The Hubble Telescope and the pictures we make
Speaker 2: with it, pictures of the Earth are so beautiful it hurts.
Speaker 2: Camping is beautifully gross in temporary spurts. People who are kind.
Speaker 2: Science can be beauty. DNA is freakishly gorgeous. Podcast is
Speaker 2: beautiful because if you and your guests have a beautiful day.
Speaker 2: Thanks for asking us beautiful fans questions. Thank you listeners
Speaker 2: for answering them. My aim with this is to really
Speaker 2: make everyone feel seen and heard and included. So if
Speaker 2: I said anything in language that was wrong. Please let
Speaker 2: me know because I want.
Speaker 4: To do better.
Speaker 2: But I hope I covered all the bases. And thank
Speaker 2: you guys for listening, Thank you for being so curious
Speaker 2: and kind. I really love making this and I can't
Speaker 2: tell you how much ologies has meant to me in
Speaker 2: terms of learning about you guys, and learning about myself
Speaker 2: and learning about the world. So go out and ask
Speaker 2: smart people dumb questions, and make sure to appreciate the
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