WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.800 What's happening Billy crapping in? Welcome back to the regular 2 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.679 You can't keep doing that. Welcome back to the Firescape Cast. 3 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:20.280 This is episode one hundred and seventeen. I'm Mike Maharty 4 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:22.800 here as always with Daniel Reikert. 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:27.519 Was one seventeen The Halo Guy. The spark spark was 6 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:27.800 that it? 7 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.160 Yeah, Master Chief Spartan one one seven. 8 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:33.000 Guilty spark was guilty Sparks who I'm thinking of? 9 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:36.320 That was the monitor from You Meet in the Swamp episode. Uh. 10 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:40.159 The Guilty three four three Guilty Spark was the episode 11 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:41.640 where you go into the You Meet the Flood for 12 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.960 the first time. That's right, this is too early to 13 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:44.759 talk about video games. 14 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:46.399 Mary's being quiet. Mary. 15 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.039 This is a comedy podcast. This isn't about video games. Uh. 16 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:54.119 We're not here with Mary. She's gallivanting around Japan, knocking 17 00:00:54.200 --> 00:01:00.439 down restaurant walls, probably desecrating temples we brought in. Uh. 18 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:02.159 Jesse Vittelli, explain yourself? 19 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:03.679 Who are you? Explain yours? 20 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:03.920 Uh? 21 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:08.719 Okay, I'm Jesse Vitelli. I'm an associate editor at restart Run. 22 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.439 I'd like to play video games. I review him, I 23 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.560 run social media. I do I do a lot of things. Honestly. 24 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.599 I usually get a lot of random discord messages from 25 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.280 Dan that's like, we're gonna throw you in an almost suit, 26 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:23.200 and then we're gonna like make you We're gonna throw 27 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:23.879 you into a volcano. 28 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:25.599 We're gonna put you behind a wall. We're gonna do. 29 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.519 All these things. And I'm the guy that just goes, yeah, sure, 30 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:28.239 that sounds great. 31 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.000 Cut behind the walls. It's like the intro to Sakario 32 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.519 and you're threatening him as a cartel may. 33 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.799 I was thinking more of a cask of a Montalado 34 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.079 situation of a literary man. 35 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:40.040 That's not the pronunciation. 36 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.719 I got great wine. Just go behind this wall. We're 37 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:45.599 gonna brick you up. It's fine, don't worry about it. 38 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.439 It's funny because like I like to pull that reference 39 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.239 out as a joke of like, wow, Dan knows the 40 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.040 literary thing. But then I accidentally still sound stupid in 41 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.560 my smart guy reference because everyone always says I say 42 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.920 it wrong. Is it a Monteado correct? Yes, a Mantiado 43 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.120 type of sherry. Do you want to talk about sherry 44 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.560 for a bout? I could talk about Jesse Shery, Jesse. 45 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.159 You've only met Mike briefly, but you know we've we've 46 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.360 as longtime friends of Mike have learned to sidestep anything 47 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:11.919 that could go into wine territory. 48 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:12.759 I appreciate that you do. 49 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:13.639 Sherry was wine. 50 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.039 I appreciate that you knew sherry is wine. Though that's nice. 51 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:19.120 Not everybody knows that. 52 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:20.879 I didn't say that. I didn't say I knew that. 53 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:22.879 You just said you try to side stuff anytime he 54 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.599 talks about wine, So you knew him anex you know. 55 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.599 Oh yeah, no, Sherry's kind of wine. But I won't 56 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.400 get into that unless you want me to. It's okay. 57 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.719 My neighbor downstairs is a somalier, and so like Chris 58 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:35.759 right now, we could bring him up. 59 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.199 Chris, where does he work? I have no idea. I 60 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.080 know that he's a somalier. It'd be funny if it 61 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.879 was Chris, who I work with on the weekends. Speaking 62 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.680 of which, really quick, I'm gonna plug it up top 63 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.879 because I'm excited about it. October twentieth I mentioned last 64 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:57.680 time it is fully concrete. Now I'm hosting a smash Bros. Tournament, 65 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.080 thirty two person tournament, three stock. It's smash Bro's ultimate 66 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.639 it's not full esports rules, but it's three stock. We're 67 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:07.199 going to be playing at La Company Center Street, best 68 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:09.000 wine bar in New York City. It's where I work 69 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.479 on the weekends as a hobby. I will be hosting 70 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:16.240 it and where some fire Escape march there. If you 71 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.319 go to our patreon, I have links to sign up 72 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.840 for the tournament. Spots are filling up, but you can 73 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.560 either sign up for the tournament or sign up. Just 74 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:26.800 make a reservation through rezi if you want to come 75 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.159 hang out, it's a you know, we'll have some snacks, 76 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.639 we'll have good wine, be hanging out there in Soho 77 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.439 for the night. I'm excited imagined. 78 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:37.479 Would they host a if we ever did another New 79 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.000 York City fire Escape meetup? Would they be willing to 80 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.080 have a full group of fire escape yahoos in the place? 81 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.840 Yeah? I think so. I can't, like, say, with the 82 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.919 utmost certainty, but we can always just go there and 83 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.039 hang out. It depends on how much how many people? 84 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.360 How many people do we have at the Churchill one, 85 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:54.319 and I would. 86 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.919 Guess about fifty. I think that sounds that right, sounds it? Yeah? 87 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.360 You made me drink catnip m hmm. 88 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.120 Yeah, Jesse before the meetup, was this even apropos of anything, 89 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:06.319 or that it could be funny. 90 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:11.039 We were going to get breakfast or something that morning, 91 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.199 and we walked by that pet shop that my wife 92 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.240 and I like, and you said it be you wondered 93 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:20.000 if eating catnip would get a human high. Yes, and 94 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.839 then you said Mike could be a guinea pig for it. 95 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.160 And then you secretly all bought catnip that you then 96 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.079 put in a like a high ball of whiskey later 97 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.839 that night and had me drink it. Yes, you take 98 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.240 although I didn't get really weirded out after because you 99 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:35.800 told me before I drank it, you're like, no, I 100 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:37.639 researched it thoroughly, You're not going to be high. And 101 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.399 then I drank it like I actually didn't read about 102 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:41.839 it at all. So then all of a sudden, I was, yeah, 103 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.399 it seems was trusting him. No, it's fine. My stomach 104 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:46.920 was a bit off though, because I drank like it 105 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.680 was like drinking floating fish food in a glass of whiskey. 106 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:50.759 It's fun. 107 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:52.879 No, it was fine, though, But yeah, I know, like 108 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:57.600 fifty something people people came in from Connecticut, Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania. 109 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.959 It was very fun. So October twenty at the Company 110 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.240 Center Street, I'll be there. But yeah, we were talking 111 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:10.879 about oh yeah wine smash Uh. Mary's off in Tokyo, 112 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.160 or at least she's still in Japan. She went to TGS. 113 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.639 You both have you have either of you done a 114 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:17.759 DAN You've done a TGS. 115 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.279 Did one TGS event in Japan four times? 116 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.879 Yeah, down Japan, Japan zero times, Okay, which feels weird 117 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:25.560 in this line of work. 118 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:27.120 I feel like at some point I should have been 119 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:27.920 in Japan. 120 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.279 It was like so much more like first of that 121 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.360 like travel type stuff I feel like happened way more 122 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.199 back then. I mean it happens now, but it's always 123 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.439 like an event in LA and event in New York. 124 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.519 They're always just kind of the same events at like 125 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.920 an event space or on the twentieth floor of a 126 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.519 hotel in Manhattan or something. You guys missed the Heyday. 127 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.319 I mean, Mike, you got a little taste of it 128 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.319 from your game in former time. You didn't travel, but 129 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.639 you missed a lot of I got like. 130 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.959 A solid two years to travel. And also Jake and 131 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.360 I j for what it's worth, just left New York Monday. 132 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:03.480 He was here all weekend. 133 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.680 I can oh. I mean, like, gee, a Game Informer, 134 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:08.120 you weren't you were an intro. Oh I see, I 135 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.879 thought you're talking about you did. Yeah. 136 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.399 Sure, No, I didn't travel it all for Game Former, 137 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.160 but I definitely I think I mentioned on a couple 138 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.519 of episodes ago my first cover story I had joined 139 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.519 for was Lego Marvel and I that would have been 140 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:24.240 England T T games. 141 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.879 Yeah, travelers, I get those mixed up. 142 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.160 But no, I never traveled for a game Former, but 143 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:31.839 I definitely did for a game Spot a little bit, 144 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:33.199 and twice for Osaka. 145 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:35.480 That was the thing too, is like there were more 146 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.480 like dedicated maybe this was just a Game Informer thing, 147 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.279 but like since they did the cover stories every month, 148 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:41.519 it was like, okay, it's just Game Informer going out, 149 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:43.839 so it's like you and a couple of colleagues, you know, 150 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.560 going meeting with the team and everything. Now, I feel 151 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.519 like when travel stuff does happen, it's usually like these 152 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.399 bigger press events like I did that Metal Your Solid 153 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.639 one in New York, the Destranding one in Japan, where 154 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.480 was just like okay, it's like a cattle call, like 155 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:57.879 the thirty forty different journalists and stuff like that, so 156 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:59.120 it's just different now. 157 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.319 I think there's also and living in New York, a 158 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:04.759 lot of them happen here. So I don't go anywhere 159 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:06.920 because it's like, yeah, I just get on a three 160 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:08.639 dollars subway and go uptown. 161 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:08.759 Like. 162 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.959 Uh, Pokemon recently just did one where they flew a 163 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.000 bunch of people out to France and they played Pokemon 164 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.879 in the Eiffel Tower. Meanwhile, I'm getting shipped on by 165 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.920 a pigeon on my way to some random penthouse in 166 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:21.920 Manhattan to play Pokemon for an hour, and I'm like, 167 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.439 I couldn't you couldn't take me, send me to France. 168 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:27.279 Was at the glass House in Chelsea. 169 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:34.000 No, it was some like random like warehouse penthouse type deal. 170 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:34.319 Yeah. 171 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.360 I know they do a lot of stuff at the Glasshouse. 172 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.000 I just I say that as this as if it's 173 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.600 this like Macca. I've been only a few times, and 174 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.839 I it's not my favorite, but yeah, no, I Uh. 175 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.600 Jake Decker was at the Paris thing as well, and 176 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:52.879 he always every time he's in Paris, which is weirdly 177 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.720 often compared like especially, he'll message me like, hey, have 178 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:58.120 you seen this? And then he'll take a photo of 179 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.639 the Eiffel Tower and messes me it's my favorite bit. 180 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.319 I love it. Yeah, yeah, good bit. Jesse did travel 181 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.199 to Minneapolis recently. I hung out with him here, and 182 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.000 I did. I took him to the Vegas Lounge with Mike. 183 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.000 You you ever heard of Vegas Lounge? Yep? 184 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.560 I showed him very quickly about that place. 185 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:17.800 Yes, it's there's no way yeah, spring Street tavern. Yeah, 186 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:19.879 we walked from Spring Street Tavern to Vegas Lounge. I 187 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.040 showed them the spot on the sidewalk where you ate 188 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.759 shit and got a bunch of gravel stuck in your knee. 189 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:25.839 That's true. 190 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.879 Yeah. But then yeah, full Vegas Lounge night with everything 191 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.040 that goes along with that. And I'm glad that place, 192 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.159 uh still got it. I'm not there nearly as much 193 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.279 these days now that I don't live across the street 194 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.919 and I'm not twenty five anymore. But uh pussy, yeah, yeah, 195 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.399 you're right, that's what Jesse kept saying. 196 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:42.600 That place rules. 197 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:43.279 Yeah, that's great. 198 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:45.679 You we did put you in a trunk and drive 199 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.279 you over there, so like you did get a little 200 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:49.200 taste of the youth, you know. 201 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:51.559 Yeah, I rode in the trunk. I do always prefer 202 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:54.279 like I like riding in the trunk on a bar night. 203 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:55.759 That was my go to in college. Was just like 204 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:57.600 everyone said, Oh, we're gonna pitt eyone the car. Its like, noh, 205 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.000 get in the trunk. It's like I have like anti claustrophobia, 206 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.240 I think where it's just like oh yeah, I'm just 207 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:03.840 I feel like cozy and nights I take it like 208 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.559 a little nap almost in there. You know, you can 209 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.000 kind of just hear like muffled voices having a conversation 210 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.679 in the front and you're just kind of rattling around 211 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:10.000 back there. 212 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.879 It's like a sedan trunk or like a hatchback like 213 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:13.480 an suv. 214 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:17.120 Uh is this today? I'm just like a normal car fully. 215 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.799 Enclosed, as opposed to like, oh, yeah you black pitch 216 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.039 I'm were with, Yeah, I've done that a few times. 217 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:22.720 I didn't like it. 218 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:25.519 But I do often sit in the trunk or I 219 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:27.000 used to sit in the trunk for with like in 220 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:32.320 a jeep or oh that's or something. I wish we 221 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.799 still had station wagons with the leather benches in the 222 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:36.200 back facing backward. 223 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.399 There was a new game there between the door and 224 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.799 the bar. It's a bonus hole. Is the new game 225 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.559 they have there? Played it, Jesse. I think we just 226 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.279 stood around the bonus. 227 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.679 Hole just kind of pointed and laughed at it. 228 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.519 Yeah. I took pictures of the bonus hole. This is 229 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:55.960 one of those bullshit coin. It's like that rat coin 230 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:57.559 game that's coming out, you know where it's like you 231 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.519 put a quarter in there and you hope untold riches 232 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.120 spill into your lap, and it never does. 233 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.360 I learned about poll tabs. That was a big one. 234 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.840 I learned how to gamble yes. And the old woman 235 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.519 smoking a cigarette and yeah, I handed her twenty dollars 236 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:14.039 in singles. 237 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.000 That sounds like a good Vegas lounge night. You'd like 238 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.159 learn every vice in a ten minute stretch and like 239 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.840 you realize what your true like weakness is. Well, yeah, a. 240 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:24.480 Meat raffle would have got me, but there was no 241 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:25.440 meat raffle that night. 242 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.799 That's in the mornings on the weekends. Yeah, as Jesse 243 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:29.679 was doing the poll tabs, that's when we had our 244 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.399 first taste of there was that woman in the back 245 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.080 porch that was just being real weird. I remember she 246 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.080 was hovering over your shoulder during the poll tabs, and 247 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.559 then what happened. She was like hitting on every guy 248 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:41.600 at the bar, and then as we were waiting for 249 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:44.480 our like uber afterwards in the parking lot, she was like, Oh, 250 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.120 my husband's gonna be upset about this. 251 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.240 Yeah, so here's. 252 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:54.600 Don't short dudle, don't do it. Maybe this this this. 253 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.159 Girl was like kind of hovering around us, and we 254 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.000 were like engaging in conversation, trying to bring her and 255 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:00.559 her friend into the group because we were a big 256 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.600 group of people. And then she gave me money to 257 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:05.200 go get poll tabs because she learned that I had 258 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.080 never done pole tabs before. And then only one of 259 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.159 the like ten that I got was like a five 260 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.279 dollars winner or something, and I gave it to her 261 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.080 and I was like, oh, this was partially your money. 262 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.320 Here, you take it. Go get your money. 263 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:17.879 And then they disappeared, and I was like, I think 264 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:19.399 this was the girl just trying to get people to 265 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.200 get poll tabs, like I think we just got got would. 266 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.720 Can you explain pole tabs for the non Minnesotans out there. 267 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:29.639 It's a square piece of cardboard that you just you 268 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:31.639 you buy them for like a doubt. The woman was 269 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.480 like pick a number and a color and then put 270 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:36.840 her hand in a box like a like dune and 271 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.600 then just handed me like a just a bunch of 272 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:44.639 cardboard things and then you just like rip off the 273 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.080 cardboard and then it's kind of like a slot machine. 274 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.600 And it's like you're like you're like looking for matches, 275 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:51.080 I think is. 276 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:51.679 What it was. 277 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.679 Slot machine. It's like cymbals and cherries and bells and stuff, 278 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.879 and it's it's like a scratch cracticket needs a slot machine. 279 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:00.559 Basically when you scord of. 280 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.519 Whole tabs, I thought you were talking about scratch offs. 281 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.120 Oh, it was very different. I thought you're saying the 282 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:09.240 Vegas Lounge had old school beer cans that were pull tabs. Still, 283 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.480 oh wait, what poll tabs are? No, they sound like 284 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:14.960 scratch offs though. 285 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:16.720 Yeah, it's but it's weird because it's like I think 286 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.320 it's a legal thing where they can't just sell it 287 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.799 at the bar because most like dive bars you go 288 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.519 to in Minneapolis, they'll have the people work in the 289 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.639 bar and then they will have like a dedicated poll 290 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.679 tabs employee, and like Jesse said, usually an older lady 291 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.919 that has smoked eight million cigarettes. And then you just 292 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:34.919 buy Like that's all they do all night, and like 293 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.480 you rarely see people going up. There's never a line 294 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.600 at the poll tabs count or anything, but they're working 295 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.879 there every fucking night. And it's just a novelty. Like 296 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.360 I've never gone there and like, oh yeah, I'm doing 297 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.200 pull tabs all night. It's just it's a it's a 298 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:48.960 thing that when people from out of town are like, 299 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.799 what the fuck is that you show them? But no 300 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:52.080 one actually does it, you know. 301 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.519 I don't think I've experienced that. The Vegas Lounge. 302 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:56.679 Yeah, I mean it was there the whole time, Like 303 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.559 it was a whole corner of the place and you 304 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:00.440 probably never even saw it. It's weird. 305 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:04.480 Oh shit, it's Oh it's its own little like counter. Yeah, 306 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:06.879 it's like a key where I know the Vegas Lounge. 307 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.679 Like if you're facing the karaoke stand, yeah, to the 308 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.360 rock deck out back behind it, to the right, it's 309 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.559 like in the back corner, it's like the door that 310 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.519 goes out to the dumpsters. It's like next to that, 311 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.679 it's like there's a blind spot there. It's insane. 312 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.559 Yeah, I just remember my I think my most vivid 313 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.320 memory of the Vegas Lounge was It would have been 314 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.159 toward the end of my internship and I had to 315 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:34.360 go pee, and then we had requested no easy way 316 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:39.440 out by Edward Tepper and you Ben Reeves, and I 317 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.759 want to say Tim Turry went up and there were 318 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:43.679 four mics, but you were looking for me. I think 319 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.039 it was Ben Reeves started sprinting around the perimeter of 320 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:48.879 the bar trying to find me, thinking I had gone 321 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.919 out for I don't know, to get on the phone 322 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.080 or something. I was just in the bathroom. And then 323 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.360 you did the same thing with the same exact song 324 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.600 at Tim Turry's wedding, but I had less a wedding. Yes, 325 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.360 I just disappear when that song is about to come on, 326 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.000 even though it's the best song ever written. 327 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:04.480 Yeah, Jesse, are you? 328 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:14.120 Are you a rocky guy? I Rocky's fine? Okay, you 329 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.120 know what? You know? What here? 330 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:19.440 I take? What's that? Yeah? 331 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.120 All movies should be forty five minutes no longer? 332 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.159 Oh okay? Is this the thing with the kids today, Jesse? 333 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:32.440 Because you're you're twenty one next week. Look anyone more 334 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.320 than two years younger than me as a kid, including Mike. 335 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:38.960 There's a weird I don't know if it's this industry 336 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.879 or what. But there is a weird anti movie thing 337 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.759 going on with the youths. I think I've heard this. 338 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:45.919 This is a me problem. 339 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.399 No, I've heard this recently from Jordan Middler, who's a 340 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:53.000 youngster in games media, Mike Manatti, who he's not a youngster. 341 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:56.360 He's a Disney child though, so that he might as 342 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:57.039 well be a year. 343 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:57.679 On years old. 344 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.240 Yeah about Disney movies are longer than forty five minutes. 345 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.759 I know, but every Disney is just a different Like 346 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.679 you know, he he's afraid of fruit, but he he'll 347 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:08.320 eat a dull whip at Disney because that's get about 348 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.600 his he is on it. Then all the rules go 349 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:14.200 out the window, you know, gotcha? Yeah, yeah, that's all 350 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.080 to say that, Like, yes, there are many younger people 351 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.039 in the games industry now that are either fully anti 352 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.200 the filmic arts or like Jesse just said, here, uh, 353 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.159 forty five minutes longer. You you don't think, what's the 354 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:28.639 longest movie that you love? 355 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.360 Did have I seen what? No? 356 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:34.960 After? 357 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.399 I actually do want to see. 358 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.279 That that's like three hours long? 359 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:38.759 I still I couldn't hear you either time? 360 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:43.039 What movie? One battle after another? It's great I. 361 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.039 Mean, I've seen The Lord of the Rings extended editions 362 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.679 like multiple times, like those are long as how I 363 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:50.440 love Pans Labyrinth. That's like not a short film by 364 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.159 any measure. Like I have seen plenty of long movies. 365 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.279 I simply think that some movies, most movies in fact, 366 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:57.759 are too fucking long. 367 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:01.320 But isn't Rocky for like an hour to twenty rock 368 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.080 three rock? I gotta watch three Rockies to get there, 369 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.480 though I've only seen the first one. 370 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.399 Okay, here's the thing, Jesse, I want to give you. Listen, 371 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:13.440 you watch fucking Furry Vengeance with me last weekend? 372 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.360 All right, no, no, no, no no, don't say it like, 373 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.080 don't say it like I was gong ho. You held 374 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:22.080 me hostage and then texted me multiple times to make 375 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.279 sure I was into that Twitch chat with you, and 376 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.200 then made me check in with you at least every 377 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:27.000 fifteen minutes. 378 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.759 That is true. That is true, Mike. Furry Vengeance is 379 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.399 Brendan Fraser twenty ten. Him and Brookshields move into a 380 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.039 house in the woods and they're they're haunted by c 381 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.519 GI animals for an hour and a half. But I 382 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.399 don't want to get distracted from Rocky yet all right, Jesse, 383 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:47.799 Rocky one and Rocky two are films like Capital F films. 384 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.200 You know, it was like Oscar Camera. 385 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:54.639 Rocky one Runs Up the Stairs one one got nominated. 386 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:56.639 Yeah, yeah, right, those are those are films. 387 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.799 Drinks the Rug, Yeah, absolutely, I'm familiar. 388 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.680 Rocky four is a movie. It is the most bullshit 389 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.279 dumb ass. But I don't mean to say it's like, oh, 390 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.119 it's this ironic, it's so bad, it's good. Do you 391 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.480 like say it's not a fury vengeance situation. It is 392 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.720 genuinely one of the most exciting things I have seen 393 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.240 in my life. Every single time I watch it, It's 394 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.119 an hour and a half long, and I feel like 395 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.079 it's been going for twenty minutes and then it's like 396 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.200 the final fight has started. It is the fastest moving, 397 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.119 like gripping from shot to shot thing. I would want 398 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:30.720 to hear what Jesse Vittelly thinks of Rocket. 399 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:32.839 Yeah, it's not just a final fight. It's a metaphor 400 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:35.400 for the Cold War and like just you know, like 401 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:39.039 the post World War two tensions and how that wrought 402 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.079 havoc across the world. 403 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.839 It's just like that movie. 404 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:48.079 Also, that movie is like people give Ryan Coogler and 405 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.599 Michael B. Jordan credit for bringing an anime vibe to 406 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.079 the Creed trilogy, especially Creed three, which Michael B. Jordan 407 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.119 was his directorial debut. Good movie, not my favorite. But 408 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:04.599 Rocky four was all ready in anime, basically with two jacked, 409 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.039 very hot men punching each other over and over and 410 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:11.880 over and the one guy. 411 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:17.160 Oh god, there's a lot. There's sly Apollo and talk. 412 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.119 Oh wait, what do you mean you said too? Who's 413 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.680 don't want to spoil anything about one? Fight is decidedly 414 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.400 unhot unless you're into. 415 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:28.359 Don't spoil it, produce. 416 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:30.759 That's why I didn't want to. You just brought it up. 417 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.599 So you got to watch Rocky two, and then you 418 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:35.839 got to watch Rocky three, and get this, you gotta 419 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:36.599 watch Rocky four. 420 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:40.000 So this isn't an hour and a half endeavor anymore. 421 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.200 SI, Yeah, you don't need. 422 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.319 To watch There was a lot of there's such a 423 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.160 just emotion to four if you've seen the three leading 424 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:51.799 up to it. 425 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:54.440 I would say, especially one and two. Uh A man 426 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.720 and I last year, two years ago, I showed her 427 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.839 the entire series, and by that I mean I clockwork 428 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:05.799 oranged her to the couch and we skipped three, and 429 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.839 I think for still we were both creaming our jeans 430 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:09.400 the whole time. 431 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.640 I don't love three. It definitely has some great moments. 432 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:16.400 I was, I was thinking of the Mickey arc is important. Yeah, 433 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.519 that's good. I was watching the dirtier cut of Dirty 434 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:22.759 Work with some friends a couple of nights ago. Here, 435 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.000 you know, they put out the dirtier cut this this week. 436 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.279 And Norm's talking to Chevy Chase, who's the doctor who's 437 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.400 got the gambling habit, and he's explaining why he needs 438 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:32.720 this fifty thousand dollars. He's like, I got a lot 439 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:34.759 of people I can blame for my dead situation, you know, 440 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.599 the Boston Red Sox, the New England Patriots, mister T 441 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.720 and he keeps going like Norm's like, whoa wait, are 442 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.480 you saying you bet on the fight in Rocky three 443 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:47.720 and you bet against Rocky He did lose in one. 444 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:49.880 Uh oh that is true? Yes, but. 445 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.880 Yeah I got Rocky for us. 446 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:54.359 Still good? 447 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:58.799 And then Creed one? So have you seen Creed one 448 00:19:58.839 --> 00:19:59.640 and two or three? 449 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:00.400 No? 450 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:01.920 I felt like I needed to see all of the 451 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:03.359 Rockies before I could see Creed. 452 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:04.400 Yeah, that's true. 453 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:06.759 So what's the last movie saw in the theaters? 454 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.039 Oh you don't want to know, man, you really don't 455 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.039 want to Yeah, mean curious, what does that mean? 456 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:13.759 The last time I was okay? 457 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.039 Wait? Is it because it's been so long or because 458 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:17.240 you think the movie? 459 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.920 Really it's I think the last time I was in 460 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.799 the theater was twenty twenty three. Maybe okay, I thought, 461 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.279 maybe something. I mean, no, no, no, But it's been 462 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:27.880 like years, literal years. 463 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:29.720 So what what gets you? Like? What is okay? In 464 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.599 the last like five or six years? Which movies got 465 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:33.680 you out to the theaters? 466 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.480 The Batman? Definitely? That? 467 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:38.519 Do you like that? 468 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:39.599 I liked it a lot. 469 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:41.240 Actually, I really really liked that movie. 470 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.240 Not the long one, just three hour. 471 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:46.640 Yes it is a long one, but that I made 472 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:48.480 a day of it. Was like I went in the morning, 473 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.279 I went to the Nighthawk by me. It was very nice. 474 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.200 Had breakfast there after. 475 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.359 Col Bruise, so you're by the night Hawk. The night 476 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.720 hooks awesome. They used to do a like nineties movie brunch, 477 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.079 a boozy brunch things. So I saw like Speed and 478 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:03.880 eight brunch and had cocktails and stuff. Yeah, it's so nice, 479 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:06.079 it's great. Gold And I and yeah, it's awesome. 480 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:07.799 So I saw that. 481 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:10.160 Honestly, it's a lot of like whenever my friends want 482 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:11.599 to go to the movies and they asked me to go. 483 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.160 So it's like normally a lot of Marvel, it's a 484 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.160 lot of like video game like Sonic three. Like it's 485 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.920 things that I'm like, I'm not gonna go to the 486 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.240 movies myself most of the time. But if like my 487 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:22.960 crew is like, hey, we're going to the movies today, 488 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:24.519 you want to come, I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? 489 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.640 It just doesn't happen often. What was the hardest scene, 490 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:29.799 like a real movie in a theater in a long time? 491 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.519 What was the last movie you saw before the pandemic 492 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:36.559 and then the first one you saw after. 493 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:43.039 I think the last movie I saw in theaters was 494 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:50.200 Birds of Prey because that was like right before everything 495 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:50.720 shut down. 496 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.119 That was that, Zack Snyder, I think, so I. 497 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:58.960 Don't remember it was, Yeah, it was like the Harley Quinn. 498 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.880 Twenty shutdown. And then do you remember the first one. 499 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.960 After first one might have been. 500 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:11.680 That's tough. I actually don't, just fine, I remember both. 501 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:16.880 My last one was Parasite and like four blocks Away 502 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:18.920 when we still have a movie theater. I remember it 503 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.920 even more because that movie theater closed to the Pandemic. 504 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.799 My first one after was Top On Maverick, which to 505 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.799 this like is still one of the most fun in 506 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.000 theater experiences I've ever had in my life. And I'm 507 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.880 glad that might actually been my first one back to 508 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.400 and a lot of people back because they're like, oh, 509 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.680 it's you know, fucking the movies are back in town. 510 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:38.480 Go check it out. 511 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.200 And my my crowd was amazing. We were They were 512 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.119 cheering and laughing at all the right spots. 513 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:43.720 It was great. 514 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.759 They were smart about that pandemic was what peels might 515 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:54.279 believe before. Yeah, okay was it because almost. 516 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:58.319 I remember, I think it's post pandemic. Yeah, then that 517 00:22:58.440 --> 00:22:59.799 was the first movie I saw back. 518 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.000 Oh wow, okay saw that in the theaters. Yeah. 519 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.680 Yeah, So Top com Maverick was definitely not right after 520 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:05.880 I took a bit. 521 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:09.640 It was like twenty two, but it was done like 522 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:11.920 it was like ready to be released, like near the 523 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.559 beginning of the pandemic. And I think like Cruise and 524 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:16.839 those guys were like so adamant, like this is a 525 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.880 movie theater movie, so like they just sat on that 526 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.880 for like a year or two or whatever it was. 527 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.079 And like that was a smart call because like that movies, 528 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:27.440 it's not like it's gonna age. I mean, like all 529 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.559 the effects that were like a lot of it was real. 530 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:31.480 It wasn't even like CG. 531 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:33.240 You know, Oh it's not gonna age. I see what 532 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.799 you're saying. I thought you're saying it's not gonna age. 533 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:36.319 Well no, no, that's what I'm saying. I think it's 534 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.799 like a pretty evergreen thing. It doesn't rely on like 535 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.359 CG that's going to be like, you know, look shitty 536 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:42.519 in a few years or anything. 537 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.599 Like the themes or anything are pretty evergreen. So yeah, 538 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:47.480 that was totally the right call on that, which I 539 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.079 think a lot of studios would not have had the 540 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.079 patience for that, but in those crazy circumstances, it was 541 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:53.400 the right call. Yeah, agreed. 542 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:59.839 I that was also the first movie Amanda heead every 543 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:04.119 Sea in the drive Through. We d then drive in 544 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:05.880 Thank You. Yeah, And we went into a drive in 545 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.079 summer of twenty two and we'd already seen Maverick in 546 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:13.279 the Spring or whatever it was, and then we looked 547 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:17.200 up the drive in drive Through, Drive In It's not 548 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:20.359 Fast Food. The trailer d it's one of like the 549 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:22.599 last one hundred or so drive ins in the country, 550 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.559 and it was playing Top Gun. So we had the 551 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:29.759 rental car trunk popped at beach chairs out nice bottle 552 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.119 of burgundy. I wasn't drinking burgundy when I watched Top Gun. Mavericks, 553 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:38.440 that's a shotgun a beer situation. I think, Yeah, good thing. 554 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:39.680 You know how to shotgun beers. 555 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.480 I've done two now, the one with you in the 556 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.359 backyard and then one of my brother in law last summer. Nice. 557 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:47.160 Wait, you're like, this is like a new thing for you. 558 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.839 Yeah, Mike taught me. I was like probably thirty. Mike 559 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.319 was when you were an interne. You were thirteen or fourteen, right, Mike. Yeah, 560 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:56.200 And we were at a party and Yeah, taught me 561 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:58.680 at a shotgun beer. I think I was always freaked 562 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:01.079 out of the idea of shotgunning a just because, like, 563 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:03.480 first of all, like I did a decent amount of 564 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.920 beer bongs in college. He moved a lot too, right, 565 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.759 that's the butt thing. Yeah, Yeah, I did a lot 566 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.039 of the not a lot, but I occasionally would do 567 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.160 the beer bong thing because that's just an it's a 568 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.759 funny thing to do. It's called a beer bong. It's 569 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.559 just a big fucking tube going into your face. It 570 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.640 looks stupid, it's funny you get drunk so fast. And 571 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.680 I know a lot of those same things applied to shotgunning, 572 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.000 but it's like I never quite understood what you had 573 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:29.359 to do to the can and how, and then it's 574 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:30.960 like the fact that you put your mouth on a 575 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.640 thing that has freshly broken metal and so on. Actually, 576 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.680 I just shot on a beer with Timp Turry at 577 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.079 Ben Hanson's like lot this summer, so I guess I've 578 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.880 done three now. But yeah, just put in your mouth 579 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.200 on a jagged thing of metal always scared me, whereas 580 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.119 like the beer bod, like this is just a hose. 581 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:50.759 Yeah, it's the same concept as how beer cans used 582 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.920 to need to be opened in like the sixties or whatever. 583 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.680 You had the Have you ever seen old number old 584 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.319 beer or old can openers. 585 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.519 At the heart the sixties? 586 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.599 Think, I no, I know, but the design of the 587 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.319 can opener lasted a while and there probably are still 588 00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:07.720 some out there. But you know, like now, I think 589 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:11.119 pan openers all have the crank. There were the ones 590 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.519 before it where it was just the pointed like the point, 591 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.160 and in order to open beer cans back in the day, 592 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.599 you needed to basically poke two holes in the top. 593 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.880 The one hole is the same reason you have the 594 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:29.680 hole in most coffee cup lids because without that hole, 595 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.359 there's no air exchange because you're just suctioning your mouth 596 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.880 to the drinking hole. So you need that second hole 597 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.480 for the actual air exchange, so oxygen can replace the 598 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:40.759 liquid that you're sucking out. 599 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.279 So I find it difficult to understand things that you 600 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:46.119 can't see. 601 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:48.680 No, I get it. I know it's weird. But like 602 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.480 if you like you ever had, you know, when you 603 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.240 have a water bottle, a plastic water bottle, and you 604 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.359 put your entire mouth around the neck and you just suck, 605 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.039 you know how, like you get suction to the water bottle, 606 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.759 a water bottle, but that no, that's this is designed 607 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:05.240 you like a plastic like a plastic screw hole in spring. 608 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:07.720 You've probably done it, you know how. You suck it 609 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:09.920 and actually the bottle like shrivels up like a scrotum. 610 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.480 That's because there's nothing replacing the liquid or the auction 611 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:14.680 being lost. 612 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.759 So the then the hole is too. What if that 613 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.839 was metal, the metal wouldn't like collapse on itself. 614 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.240 No, then metal things still share you with your shotgun. 615 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.359 But like the shotgun thing, you I showed you how 616 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.480 to tip it over, and you you lean it in 617 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.400 such a way. Say this is upside down beer can, 618 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.480 you lean it. This is the where you find the 619 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.440 bubble with your can or with your keys of knife. 620 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.000 Sure you puke the bubble. You make a big enough hole, 621 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.279 and you make sure you're only You're not like pulling 622 00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.039 metal out. You make sure you keep it pushed in. 623 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.079 You make a big enough hole you could shot on 624 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.720 a beer like fucking two face. If I tried to 625 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.000 do this myself, I always need an adult to set 626 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:50.680 everything up. No, I get it. It's a weird thing, 627 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.680 and I also don't I I it must it's funny. 628 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.920 I always wondered who figured out how to do this, 629 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.200 But then you look at how beer cans used to 630 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.759 be open, and it's actually not that far fetched like this, 631 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.079 People back that I could have done this easily just 632 00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.079 by virtue of how beer cans were normally opened is 633 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.519 my point. Okay, But now we take for granted that 634 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.640 the hole on a beer can is large enough where 635 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.400 you're generally not able to close your mouth around it in. 636 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.240 A way that they got the big mouths now. 637 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.319 Yeah, but like there's enough, there's oxygen getting in the 638 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.079 around the sides of your mouth, so you don't need 639 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:25.160 that extra hole. 640 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.400 Like next time you have a coffee, I put my 641 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.079 I put my mouth around the entire like circular lid 642 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.480 up top. That's how during soda beer, it's the whole 643 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:34.240 can get like like you just hold the whole can 644 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.960 the whole I wrap it around. Yeah, yeah, cool thing, 645 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.440 full circumference. Yeah, I see it. 646 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:44.200 Poor, it's off putting on a hinge my jeologus snake. Yeah, 647 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.400 but no, I'm glad. I I haven't shot on a 648 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.200 beer since then. 649 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.279 I don't think. What don't you understand? 650 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.599 Just in life? Yeah, what's what's the biggest thing that 651 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:56.359 keeps you awake? 652 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:57.359 You got questions? 653 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:02.640 Oh? I on the oh, I had a lot of questions. 654 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:04.599 I know, I have a lot of. 655 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:09.960 Questions in like, yeah, the things I don't understand big 656 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.480 ones are sinkholes. I just don't understand them. I don't 657 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.319 want I don't know if I want to understand. 658 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.799 Them, like in streets or sinks. 659 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:23.160 Oh, but the land ones. 660 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.200 Yeah, I guess I don't even I've never even thought 661 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:25.680 of them. 662 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.839 I think a lot about falling through the earth, just dreams. 663 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.519 Do you have dreams of falling through Is this? 664 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.680 You have dreams in general? 665 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.480 No dreams about falling through things? 666 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.480 No, but I do think about it a lot. It's 667 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.400 like when I'm walking and I see a pothole, I'm like, 668 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.279 is that? Could that be a sinkhole? I don't know, 669 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:44.559 Should I walk around that? 670 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:45.880 Where does it go? 671 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.160 When I was when I was in elementary school, I 672 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.559 was probably like fifth grade or so, there's a kid 673 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.160 on my block. I we'll say his name was Larry, 674 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.759 and he we were at the park one day and 675 00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:59.960 he threw a piece of glass at my face. We 676 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.960 found some glass on the ground in the sand, and 677 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.359 he threw it in my face and it sliced my 678 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.799 cheek open, bleeding everywhere. And went home, got cleaned up, 679 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.960 got patched up in everything. And it might have been 680 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.319 like the next day or something. I don't think it 681 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:13.880 was the same day, but I went to the same 682 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.759 park and I dug a hole, like a big hole. 683 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:18.720 I heard this story. 684 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:21.799 I don't think Jesse yet. 685 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.559 And this is a wiley coyote response to a. 686 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.039 Thing when I was like ten or eleven or whatever, 687 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.240 and so I dug it deep. I'd say, if I 688 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.759 had to guess right now, two to three feet. Maybe 689 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:35.400 it was less. But as a kid, I remember thinking like, 690 00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:37.720 that's a big hole, and so I dug it. Let's 691 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.400 say three foot by three foot or so, maybe two 692 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.519 foot by two foot. And then I broke off a 693 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.480 bunch of branches from trees and I chris crossed them. 694 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.119 I went home. I got some paper high v bags. 695 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.799 I tore them up, but not too much enough to 696 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.240 lay them across, and then I took the shovel and 697 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.799 I covered it up with sand. And then I went 698 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.440 to Larry's house. I knocked on the door and I 699 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.720 had a band on my cheek and stuff, and I'm like, hey, 700 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.519 let's race, you know, like where we can do a race. 701 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.480 He's like okay. So we go to the park and 702 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.440 I very specifically, I was like, all right, we're gonna 703 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.519 line up here. I'm at this swing and Larry you 704 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.359 line up with this swing. Not a coincidence that he 705 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:17.240 was lined up there, and we're gonna run the first 706 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.920 one to touch the slides or whatever the fuck wins, 707 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.119 and uh, we uh, get down. We go one, two, three, 708 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.720 and I you know, I'm no athlete, but I was 709 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.559 faster than Larry. I got past him. I turn around 710 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.880 just as I heard just like a and I just 711 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.039 saw like a fucking sand cloud pop up, and he 712 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.559 just disappeared. Larry was just gone into the hole, crashed 713 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.200 through all the sticks and everything, and just laying at 714 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.279 the bottom of a pit with sticks and heavy bags 715 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.160 and sand all over him. 716 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.119 I imagine like that cartoon thing where they're running and 717 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.839 then they realized there's a hole beneath them, but their 718 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:50.720 legs are still going. 719 00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.960 Oh yeah, yeah, held that said yikes or yep or whatever. 720 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.640 Yeah, but like, what in the cartoon ass fucking trap 721 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.079 did you you make for this guy? 722 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:01.599 Yeah? 723 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.240 They do that in heavyweight. Why did you do that? 724 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.079 I mean, if I wasn't a fighter, uh, you know, 725 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.799 I'm not gonna go challenge the man to a fistfight, 726 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.599 but I'll use my wits. 727 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:17.519 Yeah, no, it' that's a good man. You're solid. Did 728 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.079 you go up to the edge of the hole and laugh? 729 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:19.720 I did. 730 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.160 Yeah, that's actually exactly what happened. He was pissed off, 731 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.519 and I think it was maybe just an unsaid thing 732 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:25.799 of like, okay, we're even you know. 733 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.079 Was it deep enough though where his entire body disappeared? 734 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.279 In my again we're talking over checking you just in 735 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:34.839 your memory? 736 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.200 Was in my memory? I remember him there's a blat 737 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.160 and like not being visible and then me walking up 738 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:40.640 and seeing him. 739 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.960 It's way funnier if he actually just like vanished than 740 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.759 if he tripped into like two feet Yeah, funny, I'm 741 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.440 not again, But in my head, I remember how I 742 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.559 thought back then, and I definitely would have thought that, 743 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.880 like I want to see this guy fall into a hole, 744 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.039 and it's because that's a big hole. 745 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.519 I don't remember, but like I was looking five step, 746 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.119 my mind is something I always made sure to do 747 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:03.680 it right. 748 00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.680 You know what. I remember the story. I thought about 749 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.240 it during Ghost of Yota. Have you gotten to that 750 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:11.279 part yet where that guy is digging all those I'm there, Okay, 751 00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.119 Sorry that the sacrifice. Guys, they put me an infamous 752 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.559 and I told him you're gonna get to that point 753 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:18.559 in the game and you're gonna fucking lose your mind 754 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.160 laughing because I brought that up. I'm sorry to jump 755 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:21.880 the gun on that one. 756 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.359 Many people at school called me Burry Samurai like they 757 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.400 called Youtsu. The audience was the Ghost of Holy Trinity. 758 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.680 There's the father son, the Holy Ghost, and then the 759 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:31.400 real ghost. 760 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.160 Oh my god, I can't wait for Ghost of Yote sequel. 761 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.160 Ghost of Fucking Kansas City. 762 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.240 Me and Leannexa, Kansas in nineteen ninety. 763 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.440 Five, Ghost of sitting next to the hole with a shami, 764 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:50.920 just like bathing in a fucking jacuzzi. Reflecting on Looney Tunes, 765 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.920 it probably wasn't inspiration. I did love Looney Tunes. Speaking 766 00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.319 of do you want to talk about video games? No? Sure, yeah, 767 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.880 all right, A couple of big games have come out 768 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.200 since we last recorded. I guess second episode in a 769 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:11.280 row where we've all been playing a lot Ghosts of Yote. 770 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.440 I want to jump it too right away. Is there 771 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.559 anything we need to clean up first? Jesse? Quick, I'm 772 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.440 gonna like rapid fire you Hollow Night Silk Song. What 773 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.280 do you think in one sentence? 774 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.880 I think Hollow nighte Silk Song is diabolical in the 775 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:24.480 best ways. 776 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.199 Okay, that's a great sentence. You have one sentence to 777 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.719 describe that game. That is a plus. 778 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:34.280 Jesse, thank you, it's good work. What other game did 779 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.320 we talked about last time. 780 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.400 Uh uh uh, let me scroll down. Let me scroll down. 781 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.079 It's basically a silk song. I Racing crossworld I was 782 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:43.480 the one. 783 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.840 Yeah, I refuse to learn anything about the Sonic franchise, 784 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.159 and I played forty five minutes of Sonic Racing Cross 785 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.360 Worlds and still don't know anything about the Sonic franchise. 786 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.559 To like this guy, all right, I like I like 787 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.280 Rapid Fire, but Telly Corner. 788 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.119 Borderlands four is specifically the guy you knew in high 789 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.239 school that never got out of his hometown but then 790 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.719 did and learned a little bit about his life and 791 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:10.440 has now come back with a fresh perspective. 792 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.239 Oh okay, I know, I know something like that. All right? 793 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:14.719 You want to go to go to Yote? 794 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:15.599 Oh? Sure? 795 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.360 Or do you have any more Rapid Fire? 796 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:18.760 I can go all day Cloverpit. 797 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:21.119 I don't know what the hell that is? 798 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:26.639 Uh Oceanobi, I haven't played it, but it looks sick 799 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:27.000 as hell. 800 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.559 The Minnesota State pair never been but would like to 801 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:32.000 go middle your solid Delta. 802 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.400 I think the original is better, and I don't think 803 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:36.960 that's a hot take. 804 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.440 The Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild. 805 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:40.320 The Legend of Delta. 806 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.280 Breath of the Wild is a masterclass in design, in 807 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.039 letting you do whatever the fuck you want to do. 808 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:46.679 What's your favorite game of all time? 809 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.400 It's a toss up any day between two games. It's 810 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.159 either Outer Wilds or Luigi's Mansion for the game cube. 811 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.920 Wow, okay, that's yeah, I mean Outer wild You had 812 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.639 me let me wait, Can I give you my pitch 813 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.159 on Luigi's Mansion? Please do so. 814 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.440 One of the reasons I love the Resident Evil franchise specifically, 815 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:11.039 like the early games, is mastery over a space, learning 816 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.480 a space and figuring out the best ways to maneuver 817 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.440 around it and use it the systems at your disposal 818 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.599 to give yourself the advantage. Luigi's Mansion is a Resident 819 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.360 Evil game and everything, but name if you really think 820 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.719 about it, it is mastery over that space and. 821 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.320 So specific like being in a mansion, and you know. 822 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.280 Yeah, if you want to take it like at face value, absolutely, yeah. 823 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.199 But I do think there is that progression that you 824 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.199 get in Luigi's Mansion that you get in a Resident 825 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:35.760 Evil game. 826 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.199 We've talked about this before, and I feel like maybe 827 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.679 you could relate. I didn't know you were super into 828 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.000 Resident Evil because I am. My favorite video games and 829 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.679 movies often take place in a very confined setting. It's 830 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.239 almost like a stage play, like Resident Evil. Like to 831 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.400 your point, you're mastering a space. It's like this one 832 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.079 set that you're kind of like getting to know intimately, 833 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.440 as opposed to this like Globe trotting Adventure Residu. Yeah, 834 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:06.320 Spencer Mansion, Raccoon City Police Department. I'm, I'm that's right 835 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:06.920 up my alley. 836 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:07.400 I love that. 837 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:08.519 Yeah. 838 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:10.480 The bad thing about Resident Evils they always have to 839 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.840 end up in like a lab or like a new 840 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.360 space by the year. It's like, no, let me just 841 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.360 stay in the old space like it's cool, Like. 842 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.239 The village is the coolest, and then the castle is 843 00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.000 less cool, and then the island sucks. Island is the 844 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.599 world I use podcast that we talked about this reason. 845 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.000 Mary and I just recently finished up for a remake 846 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.840 for CANEVL and yes, I like the remake. Not only 847 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.280 did it not improved, it reinforced how bad the last 848 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.960 third of that game is. Even though the village and 849 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.400 the castle to some extent, but especially the village are 850 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.599 good enough where it's still cemented in so many of 851 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:44.639 our minds is one of the best games ever because 852 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.519 it's really really, really good. Up front, the game should 853 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.159 enter at the castle, that's when you. 854 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.119 Gamed at the castle, and just be like, what would 855 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:53.760 be like a ten hour game at that point. 856 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.360 Something like that, Yeah, because then it becomes sixteen eighteen 857 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.519 with the fucking it's not just military island zombies with 858 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.280 guns an armor, sure, whatever, it's that the island has. 859 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.639 Like they're all like at the button for the garage door, 860 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.239 They're like, oh and then it's opening closing, and like, 861 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.519 I don't that that I don't need and I didn't 862 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.079 want and I still don't want the remake, all right, 863 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.199 but yeah, Ghost of Yote. Are we all played it, 864 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.079 all three of us. 865 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.679 Yeah, I'm like ten hours in now, Okay, I'm far 866 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.840 h Okay, it's people know, Okay, we. 867 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.000 Say this a lot. Okay, let me let me say this. 868 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.400 Let me say this. And I'm not the first one 869 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.360 to mention this. It is very very funny to me 870 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:47.119 how similar the premises for Assassin's Creed Shadows and Ghost 871 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.800 of Yota are also the vibes spaghetti western like music 872 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:58.159 like any of Morricone kill Bill set in Japan. A 873 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:03.039 certain number of asked enemies kills people important to you, 874 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.679 and you're you set off on this revenge tale Assassinae 875 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.960 cree Chadows obviously introduced as another playable character. Yote is 876 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.960 very much just like again, won't spoil anything just as 877 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.920 it goes. It obviously changes format, but it's generally you're 878 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.320 hunting down the Yota Six, which are it's this band 879 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.239 of outlaws kind of almost Ronan who lost this huge 880 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:24.760 battle down the south, and they go to one of 881 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.960 the northernmost islands and you learn atsu early on she 882 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.119 loses her family's farm, gets attacked because of some past 883 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.880 transgression of her of her dad, and then you're hunting 884 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.199 down the people who did it, and you are this 885 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.320 kind of come back to life. You're seen as this 886 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:50.760 local folk legend Ghosh the Onrio. Yeah, and she as 887 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.960 opposed to June from the first game. He is literally 888 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.599 like a disgrace samurai And a big part of that 889 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:02.000 game is what is honorable to defeat your enemies? Like 890 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.599 if sneaking up and stabbing them back, is that honorable? 891 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.480 Is like is there a means to an end where 892 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.519 you're still a samurai? Are you just a Ronan? Are 893 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.360 you this dishonored person wandering the land. If you're doing 894 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:15.280 this like shady shit Yota right off the bat is like, 895 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.480 she does not give a fuck. She's not a samurai. 896 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.119 She is out for revenge. She learned. She hones her 897 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:26.280 skills in a war down south, Big Battle comes back north, Yes, yeah, 898 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:30.199 Vlamo comes back north to hunt down the Yota six, 899 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:36.119 mainly this one dude, Lord Saito. And yeah. From there, 900 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.159 you're set out in Yota to go hunt them down, 901 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:43.000 and you're gathering info about them, You're interrogating people. I 902 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.760 want to say this, I really really don't like being 903 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.719 hyperbolic this early in a game's life cycle. I do 904 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.559 think Ghost of Yota is one of the top three 905 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.519 most beautiful games I've ever played. I mean, I think 906 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.599 it might be the most beautiful game I've ever played. 907 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.400 I had that feeling imediately too, especially when it does 908 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.840 the big kind of like tidle card sequence and stuff, 909 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:05.639 kind of after the prologue that test things up in 910 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:08.079 You're on your horse and just you're just seeing these 911 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:08.719 mountains and. 912 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:11.880 Still the Kira Krasaua stuff. You're following the wind currents 913 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.360 you are riding through. There's certain colors of flowers that 914 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:18.159 speed you up more. But immediately it's like it's that 915 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.119 kind of like Breath of the Wild in the Distance 916 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.960 had that water color facade to the background. Breath of 917 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.599 the Wild like, technically speaking, is not that good looking 918 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.920 of a game in the distance at all. But Ghost 919 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:33.119 of Yota immediately the color palette reminded me of Assassin's 920 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.880 Creed origins and the way you have these pops of 921 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.159 color and you do start in like a grassland. You're 922 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:40.840 literally in the I think the grasslands of Yota. There's 923 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.679 some the something grasslands, and they this game, more than 924 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.079 Ghosts of Sushima, does start throwing you into much more 925 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.679 varied biomes pretty quickly, if you like. 926 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.440 Yeah, mine is very like a tumnol right now. Right now, 927 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.760 it's all just kind of like red and yellow leaves. Okay, cool. 928 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.960 So they do do a Zelda thing at some point 929 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:05.039 where they're like, Okay, you can go to this part 930 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.960 of the map to hunt this person. You can go 931 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.480 to that part of the map to hunt that person. 932 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.599 So I have been asking people where they're going. First 933 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:13.840 sounds like I went to a different one than you. 934 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.400 So that's the thing is like I you know, obviously 935 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.639 Breath the Wild gets every game gets compared to it now, 936 00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.239 but like I couldn't help but think of it here, 937 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.599 because I feel like Sushima was more kind of that 938 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.840 old open world style game of like you know, Gtao, 939 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.880 you can get to this next island when the bridges 940 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:31.800 get fixed. You know, it's like, oh, you get to 941 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.679 this defined point in the story and then this other 942 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.079 part of the map opens up. Whereas this makes me 943 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.840 feel more like Breath the Wild. Words like Breath the 944 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.639 Wild had the four Divine Beasts and it's like, hey, 945 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.119 go at it, whatever you want to do. This was 946 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.079 like you established the Ota six and then like I 947 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.800 think it's so cool and just like riding around the 948 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.880 map and whether it's like people in a town like 949 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.320 a marketplace and stuff, or you're just like riding through 950 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.199 the woods and you come across something and you're just 951 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.960 kind of picking up all this information and clues and 952 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.920 things like that, and it's very much like you were 953 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.639 kind of filling in clues about like Okay, this guy 954 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.239 is somewhere in these mountains. Oh this guy I heard 955 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.360 the bartender over here might know something about that, and 956 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:12.519 so you are picking this thing. It's almost like a 957 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.199 corkboard type situation, you know, where it's like, Okay, I'm 958 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:16.800 starting to get a I'm getting a bead on where 959 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.800 this dude is. This dude's definitely here, whereas this guy's 960 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:21.679 generally in the east or whatever. And you can choose 961 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.119 which one to go after. And the map is so 962 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.719 smartly designed. Where you go to the map, it looks beautiful. 963 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.800 Just the style of the map is fantastic. 964 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.840 Itself, is like, yeah, it's all hand drawn off off 965 00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:37.360 of where you've explored, similar to weirdly, Civilization six did 966 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.760 that thing when you had the fog of war? Is 967 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.639 a hand drawn map when you haven't actually revealed. It 968 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:43.719 reminds me of that Weirdly. 969 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.159 It's a lot of like ink blots and lines and 970 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.840 things like that. And you will get these cards basically 971 00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:50.519 like okay, so I'm looking at the cards now that 972 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.679 are clearly main story, like they're yellow, these are the 973 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:55.719 people from the Ota six. But then there's the ones 974 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.920 where it's just straight up bounties you pulled off a board. 975 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.840 Here's myths about the area where it's just like, oh, 976 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.840 legend tells that this thing is over here. 977 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:05.519 Yo, kai make weird noises in these woods over here. 978 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So like it's so conducive to just 979 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.000 like getting on your horse or running around and just 980 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.880 finding a thread and following that and like you will inevit. 981 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:17.840 Like it doesn't feel like empty space, even though it 982 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.000 is a lot of fields and things like that. Like 983 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.119 I do feel like if I ride in any direction 984 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.119 for a couple of minutes, I'm gonna pick up on 985 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.519 some thread that I'm gonna get curious about. And on 986 00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.280 the way there, I will run into three things, whether 987 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.760 it's like a bamboo thing that will upgrade this or 988 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.280 a hot springs that will upgrade my maximum health. There's 989 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.960 just like or you know the bird thing that they 990 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.039 had in Soushmowe. It's like, oh, a golden bird comes down, 991 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:39.960 Like I'm gonna follow this guy, or a fox leads 992 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.920 me to this little cave. Like it's remarkable how much 993 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.360 stuff they fit into what on the surface looks like 994 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:47.679 a bunch of feel you know. 995 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:53.039 Yeah, And I I still think and I don't know 996 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:54.559 how you would avoid this in a game like this, 997 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.760 but like I think I'm twenty five hours in and 998 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.159 there's a point in which it does start feeling repetitive 999 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:04.079 and a bit rope where you're like, Okay, I'll go 1000 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.079 do the Okay, there's a hot spring there, I'll go 1001 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.800 do it so I can rank up my max health. Okay, 1002 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.599 there's a bamboo thing, which I still find these mini 1003 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.840 games i'll call them. I don't mean that in a 1004 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.239 derogatory sense, but generally speaking, some of them are more 1005 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.320 like the bamboo especially is a quick time event, which 1006 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:23.920 I still find them very fun. But no, it's it's 1007 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.559 all fun. And also this game i'll get to it's 1008 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.360 got remind I think it has Red Dead two influences 1009 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.280 in a funny way that I will get to. 1010 00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.920 In our quick look. But I think this does it better. Yeah. Yeah. 1011 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.199 And it's like at a certain point, at the point 1012 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.079 of at the game, I am starting to be a 1013 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.119 bit fatigued with the side stuff and that's unavoidable, and 1014 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.000 it's still it's gonna be there, and it's up to 1015 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.559 me to engage with it or not. It is hard 1016 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:49.320 for me for the yellow bird to come down and 1017 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.280 not follow it, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, 1018 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.440 it's it's a it's a fox. Then, so I'm gonna 1019 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.119 follow this fox for a bit and I'll get a charm. 1020 00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.599 I'll be okay. However, I also think I just mentioned 1021 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.280 there are some Red Dead Redemption two elements where they're 1022 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.480 having to do a lot with the touchpad, which when 1023 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.440 people tell me that I tend to get turned off, 1024 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.280 I don't. I don't normally like that, but it's deployed 1025 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.880 in a way where it reminds me of Red Dead two, 1026 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.679 where it's like this game does kind of force you 1027 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.679 to slow down and be present in these little moments like, 1028 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.039 for instance, you have to light anytime you light a 1029 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.760 fire if you make camp or you find a fire 1030 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.400 and you have cause you can make camp and then 1031 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.119 summon many of the craftsmen to you and instead of 1032 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.920 going to where they are in the towns, and they 1033 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.679 show you again on really gorgeous menus in this game, 1034 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.119 they'll show you like your wolf pack, which sounds like 1035 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:44.800 sounds dumb, but then like there is the wolf aspect 1036 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.719 which is also unique to Atsu that Jin didn't have. 1037 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.320 But you know, some of these people you have to 1038 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.679 you have to manually hit strike the flint on these 1039 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.119 tinder piles and then. 1040 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.679 Breathe every time, though like that is a setting too. 1041 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.480 You can have it set too like every time. Oh 1042 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.280 I never heard or I think the default is like 1043 00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:05.280 some of the time. So in fact, we were recording 1044 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.079 the quick Look today or yesterday for this, and I 1045 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.079 wanted to show Grub the like blowing into the microphone 1046 00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.280 on the controller stuff and everything, and you know you 1047 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:13.760 could do that. 1048 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.000 I always did the R two blowing. 1049 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:18.480 Well, the thing is, I had to figure that out because, 1050 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.960 like I looked, the accessibility options are kind of craziness. 1051 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.000 You can like turn off the golden bird, you all 1052 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.800 sorts of little tweaks and stuff like that. But I 1053 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.679 couldn't get the blowing into the microphone thing in the work. 1054 00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.480 And then I realized, I don't think I've ever had 1055 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.079 my PS five microphone unmuted. I just had to unmute 1056 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.840 it with that button and then you just blow into it. 1057 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.320 But yeah, your trackpad, like you know, putting the flint 1058 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.320 on the thing and then to kind of like make 1059 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.559 it go up, and when you're turning the controller to 1060 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:43.480 like turn the mushrooms and the fish over. 1061 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.679 Lowering the controller, and then you're what else are you doing? 1062 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.679 You are when you're painting the doing like the watercolor 1063 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.360 paintings you're just tracing lines and whatnot, and those things 1064 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.159 do kind of force you to slow down. But I 1065 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:05.719 did find myself getting into a routine where I was 1066 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.760 trying the story. I actually, really, really, I think this 1067 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.960 open world story is incredible. It does it builds momentum 1068 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:19.079 well as Atsu. I love her as a character because 1069 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.320 I think my measure of a good character in an 1070 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.480 open world game is how much do I kind of 1071 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.480 just incidentally want to role play as them? And there's 1072 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:29.519 times with her it's not a role playing game. It's 1073 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.239 an action. I mean, it's an action of quote unquote RPG. Right, 1074 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.960 there's progression, but it's not a role playing game in 1075 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.280 the sense of Balder's Gate three. It's a role playing 1076 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.519 game in the sense that they do build this sucker 1077 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.559 punches flashing this character out, and I have gotten so 1078 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.719 into her character that I'm not thinking what do I 1079 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.599 want to do? I am thinking like, what would Atsu 1080 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.760 do in this situation? And I'm like, oh shit, they've 1081 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.440 kind of got their hooks in me because I would 1082 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.199 like to just go into this camp and like I'll 1083 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.519 pick people off one by one stealth, because that's how 1084 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.280 I play most games that give me stealth options, but 1085 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:07.480 as her, it's like, well, I just found this legendary 1086 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.079 armor that now is supposedly making me this fearsome character. 1087 00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.960 I also just fought this like folk legend, and I 1088 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.599 love this game. Every time you kill someone on one 1089 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:18.960 of these big side quests, you get basically like some 1090 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.719 like a mask or some trophy of theirs. So I 1091 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.360 love the fact that she's on this revenge quest and 1092 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.559 like trying to scare all of her enemies in this 1093 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.159 entire region. So I'll always kind of in character were 1094 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.519 the last the mask of the last person I killed? 1095 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.880 Because they every time you do enter a tavern or whatever, 1096 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:41.960 they'll be like, did you hear that's the ownreal like 1097 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.519 murdered that person. So I like walking into these taverns 1098 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.679 wearing the mask of that dude that I fucked up, Yeah, 1099 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.519 because that's very cool to me. And her whole thing 1100 00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.519 is you start to build out these abilities that are 1101 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:59.280 separate from her weapon skills, where she there's a bit 1102 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.320 more supernaw bent to this game that Sushima had a 1103 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:04.840 bit of it, but this one you can do like 1104 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.599 abilities that are literally like on real spirits, howling at 1105 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:13.199 enemies and terrifying them, which there it's more magical realism 1106 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.480 in that regard, but you also have a wolf that's 1107 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.639 coming along with you. You can upgrade the wolf abilities, 1108 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.079 and this game is just very much I think it 1109 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.119 feels like Sucker Punch had a bit more fun making 1110 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.079 this game than Sushima, which I'm putting words in their mouth. 1111 00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:27.840 I don't know that for a fact, but it does. 1112 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.239 Really this game's less afraid to kind of let go 1113 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.480 of the reins and let things get a bit weird. 1114 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.599 But I am really just often role playing as Zatsu 1115 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.960 in a way that I haven't cared about a character 1116 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.280 in an open world game this much in a while. 1117 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.400 It reminds it feels like I'm playing Kill Bill if 1118 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.960 it was set during this specific time period in Japan. 1119 00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.639 Yeah, you mentioned that, like wanting to role play as her, 1120 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.280 and that's something I kind of learned with Red Dead two. 1121 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.079 And maybe one of the reasons I didn't love it 1122 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.039 the first time around is like, I don't know, I 1123 00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.119 just started that game and was like, all right, my 1124 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.239 Arthur is going to be this rooting tutin lose Cannon cowboy. 1125 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.119 I'm just gonna go in here and shoot this place up, 1126 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.519 and you know, but then like the story was very 1127 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.280 much at odds with that, where he was this like 1128 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.440 guy who's coming to terms with mortality and the changing 1129 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:13.880 world around him and stuff, and it didn't really work 1130 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.280 with the way I was playing him. And so this 1131 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:17.760 one I am kind of more like, you know, you 1132 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.000 get a sense of who this character is pretty pretty 1133 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.159 early on, and like I am just like you know, 1134 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.360 you'll come across a bunch of dead bodies or whatever, 1135 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.079 and this guy will be like, hey, don't don't you know, 1136 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.960 desecrate their graves and steal their stuff or whatever, and 1137 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.639 you can choose to like, you know, oh I'm gonna 1138 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:33.639 kill this guy and steal this or it's like, oh, 1139 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.960 you're right, I'm sorry. Here, here's money for your village 1140 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.840 in exchange for these and so like you so I 1141 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.039 try to kind of like do the right thing but 1142 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:41.960 also be a you know, terror to all of my 1143 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.159 enemies and stuff like that to kind of be congruous 1144 00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:47.039 with that character in the story. So that has been 1145 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.880 working for me for sure. I'm curious, Jesse, have you 1146 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.079 did you what's your history with like Sushma? Did you 1147 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:52.400 play that? 1148 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.599 So I played Sushima all the way through some one 1149 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:57.840 of those games where I enjoyed it at the time 1150 00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.920 and I cleared the map, like I did everything I 1151 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.039 could possibly do in that game, and then I never 1152 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.719 really thought about it again. And I don't mean that 1153 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.679 as like a slight It was just I had my 1154 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.280 fun with it, and I kind of moved on. And 1155 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.400 when they announced the OTA, I was like, Yep, that 1156 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.639 makes sense. I totally understand why they would make another 1157 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.880 one of those. And I've seen like small bits of 1158 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.719 that game, and I've read reviews and watched some of 1159 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.840 like the Digital Foundry stuff on it, and like that 1160 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.840 game is gorgeous, like just flat out like you were 1161 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.800 talking about. But I'm excited. It's currently downloading on my 1162 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.079 PlayStation right now. 1163 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:29.519 Yeah. 1164 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.159 They they've switched up some things too. From Sushima Sushi 1165 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.559 me I was very much about his his stance in 1166 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:36.639 the weapons, like the combats aret. Now you actually get 1167 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:41.000 different weapon types. And I will say another thing I 1168 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.360 love about this game there is some sort of lower 1169 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:49.360 backstory like large sorry like wider context to almost every 1170 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.039 weapon or armor set you collect. Very seldom do you 1171 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.400 actually just like find a random armor set in a 1172 00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.519 chest in the middle of nowhere. Often it's this very 1173 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.119 compelling side quest leading up to it. So once you 1174 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.000 finally get it, and again to the role playing aspect, 1175 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.400 you kind of are wearing it in these situations. You're like, 1176 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.159 I get how the legend of this armor that has 1177 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.760 these other worldly abilities kind of factors into the context 1178 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.079 right now. Same with the weapons, and you're not just 1179 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.920 finding a random weapon or just going to a dungeon 1180 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.480 and opening a chest and finding this weapon. You're specifically 1181 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:33.639 meeting this hermit who was defeated a while ago and 1182 00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:36.440 now is crippled, but he has that weapon still and 1183 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.800 he's training you in this weapon. So there's training sequences 1184 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.559 where you're not immediately good with a weapon. And it 1185 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:44.320 doesn't just say like hey, square square triangle will be 1186 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.239 a combo or a square square square or a triangle 1187 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.599 triangle triangle. It's like there's a storyline leading up to 1188 00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.360 it where that the person who's a master with that 1189 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.880 weapon is very much like teaching you how to use it. 1190 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.920 And I think Sucker Punch does some cool things with this. 1191 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.280 Sounds stupid, but like with the controller that yeah, like 1192 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.679 I show yeah, that's stuff I I showed him. I 1193 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.000 told Amanda. I was like Hey, Amanda's left handed. I 1194 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.360 was like, hey, there's a part in this game where 1195 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:14.320 sucker punch. You know how you're doing the bamboo cuts. 1196 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:15.199 Mm hmm. 1197 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.360 They're doing one that's very fucking hard during the training 1198 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.480 sequence for a weapon. Yeah, And I was like, I noticed, Oh, 1199 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.880 it's all on my left hand on the controller, which 1200 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:27.360 is very rare. And I was like, are they assuming 1201 00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:29.079 I'm right handed because most people are gonna be and 1202 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.800 they're making it hard. So then of course you try that, 1203 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.000 and then the next day you wake up and it 1204 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.159 has gotten a bit easier and you're using your right 1205 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.000 hand more. I'm like, oh, they're actually like trying to 1206 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.199 convey that Atsu is getting better at this and it's 1207 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.039 so it's easier for me, which. 1208 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.760 Is so montage just through the button prompt. 1209 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.480 Yes, yeah, it becomes like a rocky movie at a 1210 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.199 certain point in this game set to like again, any 1211 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.599 of Morricone's esque soundtrack with like a kill Bill character 1212 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.639 or Ahi character. It's fucking like that. 1213 00:54:57.880 --> 00:54:58.239 I don't know. 1214 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.679 That gave us so many clever things storytell wise, like 1215 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:03.920 as it ties into the gameplay that I'm like this, 1216 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.559 this is all rad and I'm very like there's a 1217 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.920 propulsion to the story and and it within the context 1218 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.960 of the open world that I don't know the last 1219 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:13.559 time I felt that in a in a while. 1220 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.320 Yeah, And some of the things like do feel I 1221 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.679 guess gimmicky, but I don't ever really say that in 1222 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:20.199 a bad way for sure, where it's like a lot 1223 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.079 of times you just go to a menu and it's 1224 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.360 like I have X of X, I have enough to 1225 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.320 press X and upgrade my sword and this one like 1226 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:29.519 you do it. But then it's like you're at your 1227 00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.639 father's forge and you're literally taking the dual sense and 1228 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.719 you're like like the heated sword you're banging down and 1229 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.199 you gotta press a button to reheat it, observing to 1230 00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.639 flip it over and start banging it. Like so you 1231 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:42.960 were watching the metal kind of like get hot and 1232 00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.960 form into the new sword. It's like it is, yes, 1233 00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.360 it's a hard word gimmick, but it's like it's I 1234 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:49.480 kind of like this, this. 1235 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.039 Word it's a gimmick put to good use because again, 1236 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.320 like when you're cooking, you're you are supposed to I 1237 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.360 think kind of be like men you're when you're camping 1238 00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.280 and cooking. I do think it's supposed to be like 1239 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.760 a moment of just like chilling out. They're assuming I 1240 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.039 think they're assuming you've been chasing hot springs or yellow 1241 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:12.119 birds or like again, I really really want to be 1242 00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:14.119 careful and not to spoil any main story things because 1243 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.199 this game is so good along its Golden Path, But 1244 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.159 anytime you're hunting one of the Yota six or two 1245 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.679 or whatever it is, it's all drastically different in the 1246 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.320 way that if you're looking at like a Zelda game 1247 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.519 which I always mentioned, Zelda Horizon Forbidden West to the 1248 00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:33.559 same thing where you get to a certain point and 1249 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.519 they're like, okay, well there's this enemy borderlines forward did it. 1250 00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.719 They're like, there's this enemy in this biome. You can 1251 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:40.440 go hunt them if you want. There's this enemy in 1252 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.920 this biome, go there first if you want. Yota does 1253 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.719 such a great job structurally speaking, in like narrative design 1254 00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:52.599 of switching up the Golden Path into each of those 1255 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.679 areas where when you're hunting this one person in the 1256 00:56:54.719 --> 00:57:00.760 snowy area, it's very much about like you're being hunted 1257 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:02.800 most of that time, but then you go here and 1258 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.599 it's like very much like this war torn area and 1259 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.199 it's just this brutalized countryside where they're trying to build 1260 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.360 up this stronghold, so it's all like being logged there 1261 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.280 you can kind of be more brute force. But then 1262 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.760 you go down to the quieter part of the map 1263 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.719 and everything just weaves back in on itself in terms 1264 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.559 of the vibes of the world as it pertains to 1265 00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:26.320 the story being told. I like it's it's funny if 1266 00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.719 you back of the box. Wise, there's not a ton 1267 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.760 different from Sushima. Like, sure, there are a few, you 1268 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:37.599 don't have stances anymore, you actually have different weapons. She 1269 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.760 plays differently than June. You have a wolf with you now, 1270 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:47.000 But like Taken as a whole, it flows so much 1271 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:49.840 better than Sushima, I think. And I love Sushima, to 1272 00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:51.880 be clear, I don't I don't think. I don't think 1273 00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:53.760 that was a terrible game. They needed to improve on 1274 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.559 that much. But I like Yote quite a bit, and 1275 00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:59.360 I like this is the first open world game in 1276 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.960 a while outside of work purposes I've wanted. I've committed 1277 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.079 to like finishing because and for the story, which I again, 1278 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:11.199 the last time that happened was probably fucking which are 1279 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.440 three where I was just finishing the open world game 1280 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.519 for the story, but like, yeah, I don't know. I like, 1281 00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:20.039 you'll take quite a bit at who's awesome that game is. 1282 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.599 I've used I can't help but use photo mode every 1283 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:24.159 ten minutes. 1284 00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.360 It's it's like maybe the best photo mode I've ever seen. Yeah, 1285 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:29.079 Like both in terms of like the game is so 1286 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.400 conducive to it because it's so gorgeous, but also the 1287 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.480 level of like, Okay, I went burning embers in the 1288 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.239 sky and there's Aurora Borealis behind me, and you know, 1289 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:40.559 the usual expression stuff and all that stuff, but like 1290 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.079 it just looks unbelievable. 1291 00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:44.719 Yep, it's really good. I like you'll take you quite 1292 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.599 a bit. Yeah, Jesse, if you if you get the 1293 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.679 chance to play it, play it. I'm excited. 1294 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.559 And I thought I'd be burned after finishing Assassin's Cree 1295 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.519 Shadows because I'm like, I feel like I just did this. 1296 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.760 Oh you know, yeah, did you like was that? 1297 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.039 Are you a completionist or did you really? Were you 1298 00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:02.280 just liking that game quite a bit? 1299 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.840 I was freelancing guides for it, and so I had 1300 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:06.400 to finish it. 1301 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.719 I have the option, was that the option, see I 1302 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:09.760 should have meted. 1303 00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:13.719 So not only that, but it was going up and 1304 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.119 down the map making sure I've seen every icon doing 1305 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:16.800 most of them. 1306 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:18.920 Us and I like that game, to be clear. I 1307 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:23.000 liked Shadows for what it was worth, but Yote just 1308 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.079 ties it all together so much, quite a bit better. 1309 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.119 Yeah, Jesse, We've never, like I think, dove deep on 1310 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.079 this or anything, but like I have, I've always been 1311 00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.559 fascinating because like guides, I mean you came from Prima 1312 00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:40.119 and guides writing. Uh, that isn't an aspect of games 1313 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.159 media and games coverage I've never done. I've always just 1314 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:48.079 wondered what that process is like, especially in today's landscape 1315 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.559 where it's like, Okay, well this new big game Silk 1316 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:54.239 Song launches and we expect you know, sixty different guides 1317 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:56.840 about every you know, place you can find a rosary thing, 1318 00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:00.079 or like, is that because we're viewing a game? I 1319 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.280 mean we were talking actually before we're recorded here. You 1320 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:05.360 know you review JRBGS and so that's forty fifty plus 1321 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:08.400 hours and stuff like what does that equate to in like, 1322 01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.039 if you're writing a full on guide for something, how 1323 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.079 many hours are we talking about it here? How deep 1324 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:14.599 do you have to go? 1325 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:16.920 It really depends it depends on a lot of factors, 1326 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.400 and like it's kind of a cop out answer, but 1327 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.880 depends on the game. It depends on the team you're 1328 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.840 working with, because like I've I've worked with my team 1329 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.079 when I was at Prima for my team at Restart 1330 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.000 a freelance where I'm just like a small part of 1331 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.639 a bigger puzzle. Like IGN's got a whole different operation 1332 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:32.159 going on over there, because they've got a lot of 1333 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:33.199 people on these projects. 1334 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:34.800 But I mean, it's. 1335 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:38.320 It's intensive because you're taking notes on everything because a 1336 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.199 lot of the times you don't know if something's important 1337 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:41.880 or not, because like there are a lot of quest 1338 01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:44.079 lines in Silk Song right, or like like elden Ring 1339 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.079 was a big one where it's like I talked to 1340 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.920 this NPC, this might be important ten hours from now. 1341 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:50.280 I don't know nothing at all. 1342 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.760 Yeah, there's no because when you're the one writing the guides, 1343 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.760 you can't consult guides because they don't exist yet. So 1344 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.440 you're playing these games in a vacuum where if you 1345 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:02.719 get stuck you can maybe ask the developer maybe, but 1346 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.239 really you can't. And so it's a lot of like 1347 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.679 it's very collaborative in that regard because it has to 1348 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:11.360 be because people are exchanging information with one another, because 1349 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:12.480 that's all you've got. 1350 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:14.519 Were you ever on the you know, because premium. When 1351 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.239 I think at PREMI I think by the old you know, 1352 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.760 just old big chunky strategy guides. We tried to sell 1353 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.400 it funkal Land back in the day, you know, like 1354 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.920 were you doing print ever or was it more like 1355 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:29.039 dedicated like okay, so this is a URL for how 1356 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:30.800 to find every one of these and this is this 1357 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:33.480 and how many were comprehensive walkthroughs that you were doing? 1358 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.599 So we did one print guide while I was there. 1359 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.480 I co wrote it with my buddy Lucas White, who 1360 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:41.760 was also there at the time for axiom Verge one 1361 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:42.360 end two. 1362 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:43.840 So it's what it was. One package. 1363 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:45.239 It was package's limited run. It was like a pre 1364 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.159 order like pre order, only it was the last physical 1365 01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.599 Prima Guide to ever exist, probably will be the last 1366 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:54.320 physical guide to ever exist. And that one was tricky 1367 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:57.199 because axiom Verse two wasn't out yet and it was 1368 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.119 still in active development, like we were doing this like 1369 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:01.639 months before that came out, because it was it was 1370 01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.159 to go up like alongside it, and so we would 1371 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.000 do like whole sections of that game, and then Thomas 1372 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.800 Happ would email us to be like I actually changed 1373 01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.760 that entire section, and so we would just like delete 1374 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:13.239 the Google doc and like start again. 1375 01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.880 Do you remember I came if it was a prima, 1376 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.800 But do you remember the story of like Mortal Kombat 1377 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.400 was at nine, the reboot one. It was after the 1378 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:26.239 DC Universe thing, and they sent out the strategy guide again. 1379 01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:27.719 I can't remem if it was premium or not, but 1380 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.360 it had everything is you know, oh the fatality inputs 1381 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.800 and stage fatalities and all this very specific like here's 1382 01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:34.880 how you do this move. Yeah, And then before it 1383 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.880 came out everything changed, so like if you bought that 1384 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.559 strategy guide, you had to like email a thing and 1385 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.599 they would send you a bunch of like little like 1386 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.960 glossy flash cards like oh, sorry, here's the actual fatality thing. 1387 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:47.360 Like yeah, that seems crazy. 1388 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:48.920 That was back during the time. 1389 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:50.840 I mean, obviously I wasn't around for that, but that 1390 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:52.920 was back during the time where people from Prema would 1391 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:55.199 actually go to studios and get like a day with 1392 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.000 the game and just do whatever they wanted to do 1393 01:02:58.039 --> 01:02:59.840 for you know, a handful of hours able to take 1394 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.199 their notes, screenshots, get all their stuff, and then they'd 1395 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:03.599 leave and they'd be like put in like a room 1396 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.159 and they'd be like, Okay, here's your you know build. 1397 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:07.719 We're gonna have somebody sitting here, so you don't like 1398 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:09.320 steal anything or break anything. 1399 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:10.719 And then you'd have here, you. 1400 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:13.280 Have eight hours like get all the information you want essentially, 1401 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:15.800 So I think Mortal Kombat was one of those cases 1402 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.559 like a lot of the like Narudo Ninja Storm game 1403 01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:20.760 stuff like that, but like modern Day Guides is a 1404 01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.079 lot of like SEO targeted stuff, so it's like what 1405 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.079 are people specifically googling? And how do we title a 1406 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:28.719 game or title an article specifically? 1407 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:29.119 Like that? 1408 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.760 So it is a lot of like what does the 1409 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.000 F in Silent Hill f mean? You know, like like 1410 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.639 you're that's the kind of stuff you know. 1411 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.480 A certain when that build? 1412 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.599 Yeah exactly? Yeah? Or yeah, Like certainly, game like Silk Song, 1413 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:44.760 more than anything I've seen in probably a few years, 1414 01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.320 is the most like I found myself going to a 1415 01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:49.360 lot of like all right, how do I unlock Act three? 1416 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:51.440 What do I do? Like what does this NPC do? 1417 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:55.239 Like that was so conducive because the game itself is 1418 01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:57.400 so not pointing you towards things that like at a 1419 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.039 certain point, it's like, I'm just gonna look this up. 1420 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.000 So there's so many fucking silks on guides right now. 1421 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.480 Yeah, it's it's everything I did like comprehensive Monster Hunter 1422 01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.199 guides for wilds of like weapons, so it was like 1423 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.440 cataloging all the weapon weapon details, materials, how to get them, 1424 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.440 putting them in tables like guides. Work is all over 1425 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.199 the place, like it really depends on the game. But yeah, 1426 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.280 so I did that for Shadows, and that's how I 1427 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.119 ended up playing not only all of the main story, 1428 01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.719 but all of the side content screen shadows. 1429 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:30.719 That's not the you put into Shadows close to one 1430 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:34.519 hundred Okay, maybe just like mainlining the story, like playing 1431 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:35.920 it at a standard pace? What is that like a 1432 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:36.599 fifty hour game? 1433 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.519 I think about half that I would say, okay. 1434 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.719 It makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I played a fair amount 1435 01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:42.400 of it and I like it. 1436 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:50.119 But I've also started Hades two and I'm committed to finishing. 1437 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.960 But uh, I've played enough of Haites two to uh 1438 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.119 get the ball rolling. But I think both of you 1439 01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:59.280 probably played more than I have. I'm like three hours 1440 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:00.480 in Jesse. 1441 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:01.519 How about you. Where are you at? 1442 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:06.320 I am on the route for the true ending. It's 1443 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.760 a little bit more of a grind than I had anticipated. 1444 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.280 But so I wonder I think you might be past 1445 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:17.239 me then, So I'll speak somewhat generally here, Yeah, don't. 1446 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.639 Spoil this game, because have you seen credits? 1447 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:20.360 I have not. 1448 01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:23.039 Then you were okay, then okay, But but I'll. 1449 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.039 Say I feel like I'm close to something resembling credits, Like, so, Mike, 1450 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:26.280 I don't. 1451 01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.159 I don't think it's a spoiler. Like when you walk to 1452 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.159 go Out, you see that there's a go up right, 1453 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.920 So in the in the from her the camp basically yes, yes, from. 1454 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.559 The hubs rules. So I beat the final boss of 1455 01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:41.440 Going Out, and this morning I beat the final boss 1456 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.480 or you know, going up, at least the final boss 1457 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.719 as I can see it now. So there's a big 1458 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.199 boss fight after going up. And so like obviously I 1459 01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.480 haven't seen credits, there's still talk of like okay, well 1460 01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:54.039 that guy when you go down is still around, you know, 1461 01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:56.440 so like what do I need to do to finish 1462 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.480 him off? I'm still expanding the hub. There's still a 1463 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:02.360 ton of stuff obviously I can unlock and everything so 1464 01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:05.920 like Jesse, based on what I'm saying there, like so 1465 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:10.320 you've beaten you've beaten up, you haven't beaten down yet, 1466 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.440 or you have have I beat down, then I beat up. 1467 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:19.199 You have you have quite a few runs ahead of you, Okay, 1468 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:21.880 Like that it is and I don't think it's suppiled 1469 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:23.760 to say it's kind of operates similar to the way 1470 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.480 that the first game does, where like sure it is 1471 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:30.000 a set number of completions that helps push that that 1472 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.679 final chunk along. So you have to do a handful 1473 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:33.920 of more runs down there, you have to do a 1474 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.039 handfle more runs up there, and then you'll have to 1475 01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:38.360 do some stuff around the hub and then you'll you'll 1476 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:39.880 you'll know when it's it's. 1477 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.039 I assume it would be a little different each time, 1478 01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:44.440 like now that I beat that, Now this is different 1479 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:46.360 over here, Like it seems like that's kind of. 1480 01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:49.440 The narrative, will like push along and you'll know you'll. 1481 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.880 Do it does feel like it's it's done by any means, 1482 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:54.679 But it feels like I've definitely like knocked down a 1483 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.159 couple of big obstacles on the way. 1484 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.920 Yeah, and there's a lot there, Like the crossroads is 1485 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.880 so expansive, so I'm interested, did you start. 1486 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.360 Playing one point? Oh? Where were you playing? Early access? 1487 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:07.920 So when it first came out in one point zero 1488 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.480 and people because I was adamant about like, I'm not 1489 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:12.239 touching this until it's one point because that's how I 1490 01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.960 did the first one, I was happy I did it 1491 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.119 that way. I would much rather play the kind of 1492 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.559 complete thing than you know, a bunch of stuff along 1493 01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.480 the way. And people are like, oh, you know, the 1494 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.719 two is even in the like early version early access 1495 01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.039 is like there's a lot there or whatever. And I 1496 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:28.760 played like maybe an hour of it when it first 1497 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.079 launched on Early Access, and I was like, I can 1498 01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:33.360 tell this is very good. I can tell there's a 1499 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:35.559 lot here, and it's not. This does not feel like 1500 01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.760 a you know, preview build or anything like this. This 1501 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.559 feels you know, whatever. But I still told myself, like 1502 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.039 I was so happy I waited with the first one, 1503 01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:44.880 that I'm going to do it again here. I very 1504 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.599 much support like the early access. I think the early 1505 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:50.719 access process leads to something as polished as Haities two 1506 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.960 releasing in the formats at But just as a player, 1507 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.159 I prefer to just wait and then have this whole big, 1508 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:00.639 almost overwhelming, you know package, you know, and glad. So 1509 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.039 that's all to say, play about an hour, put it 1510 01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:04.480 aside for a year and a half, and now I'm 1511 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:05.320 just playing one point Oh. 1512 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.480 That's what I wish I did, and I told myself 1513 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.159 I was going to do. And then they dropped one 1514 01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:12.079 point oh, and i'ment. 1515 01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:14.039 Oh, I'll just I'll just boot it up. I'll just 1516 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:15.000 see what it looks like. 1517 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:17.199 When they did the first early access launch, it's like, 1518 01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:18.720 I'll just poot it up, I'll see what's going on. 1519 01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:20.720 And then I blinked in like thirty hours went by 1520 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:23.359 and I was like, oh, I made the mistake I 1521 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:25.960 said I wasn't going to and then I was like, okay, 1522 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:27.720 no more, no more, not until one point oh. And 1523 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.000 then they dropped the next update, and same thing happened. 1524 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.159 And so I came into Hades two a little bit 1525 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.079 like I came into one point zero in a weird 1526 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.239 spot where I had like an excess of a lot 1527 01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.600 of materials and a lot of stuff because I had 1528 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:41.560 just been playing and grinding at a point where like 1529 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.960 there was nothing to spend any of this on because 1530 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.000 I had maxed out everything that I could do so 1531 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:46.560 I've had like a. 1532 01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:48.760 What were they acting along the way? Like? Was it 1533 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.159 missing boss fights? Was a missing whole section snap like 1534 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:51.840 along the way? 1535 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:52.119 You know. 1536 01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.960 So Early Access launched with the entire underworld fleshed. It 1537 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.119 fleshed out like final Boss was there like everything, but 1538 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:02.439 the upper world only had two zones of the multiple 1539 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:04.439 that are in there now and it didn't have it. 1540 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:07.319 So they added like two bosses. They added zones, They 1541 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:11.960 added a new weapon, They added a bunch of other stuff, 1542 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:13.920 like a bunch of the upgrades around the crossroads, only 1543 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:15.680 a handful of them were in. They added that there 1544 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.199 were characters that weren't showing up yet. There was there 1545 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.640 was like literal like placeholder art in the Early Access 1546 01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:22.800 version that got updated, you know, they did a pass 1547 01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:24.960 they added I think one of the updates added something 1548 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.680 like thirty or forty music tracks to the game, Like 1549 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:32.359 they they really kept you know, those updates were very substantial. 1550 01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.039 But the thing I love about Hades two is that 1551 01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:39.960 it kind of expects you to have played the first 1552 01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.479 game mechanically, like like there's not a lot there that 1553 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:47.199 like really eases you into that experience, but it's also 1554 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:52.439 almost like it's built to sort of like sidestep all 1555 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:54.600 of your knowledge of the first game, because it's like 1556 01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:57.560 Zagarias plays a very specific way. He's a very like 1557 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:01.119 get in there, you know, beat him up. Milenoe is 1558 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.920 like she's got magic, She's got the Omega moves like 1559 01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.000 it's like, this is a different character who's going to 1560 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:09.279 operate around the field differently, and you can build into 1561 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:11.680 a play style that plays like the first game. But 1562 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:14.079 inherently those first two weapons were giving you the Witch's 1563 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.840 staff and the Sister blades like they've got more range 1564 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:18.960 to them. Her cast is different. It's like it's an 1565 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.640 AoE around you. It's meant to ensnare enemies, like they 1566 01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:23.520 want you to be a little more strategic with her 1567 01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:26.880 because she's a more strategic character in this world. She's 1568 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.560 thinking about things differently than Zagaras. And I like the 1569 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.359 way in which Hades two is combat sort of tries 1570 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:35.960 to like go around your initial knowledge of that first game, 1571 01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:39.319 but also still kind of expects you to know how 1572 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:41.239 to play this game and know when the right time 1573 01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.119 is to like what builds to go for, and how 1574 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.920 these these things work around themselves. It's really fascinating because 1575 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:49.600 I think The experimentation period with Hades two has been fascinating. 1576 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:53.520 Of just like I thought I had like a solid build. 1577 01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:56.079 It was like, I use the acts, I can sweep 1578 01:10:56.119 --> 01:11:00.119 across the field and just destroy enemies. But then I 1579 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:01.800 go on like speed run dot Com and I'm like, Okay, 1580 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:03.359 what are the what are the speed Runners using? Like 1581 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:05.520 what's the cool strength? And they use the skull and 1582 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:07.279 I think the skull is like the worst weapon. 1583 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:12.319 I hate a skull on my you it'll probably but 1584 01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:14.800 like they they show me the ones I have not 1585 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.520 unlocked yet, but there's definitely like two two I don't 1586 01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:21.920 even see in the unlocked or locked options or it's 1587 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:25.439 like the second to last one. I think, yeah, you 1588 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:25.920 have to pick. 1589 01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:31.039 Up when you first see the weapon options, there's six circles. 1590 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:35.119 Yeah on the menu, I only even see four. So 1591 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.399 like they have not added so I was worried. I 1592 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.119 was still in like a past build, but I just 1593 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:39.960 used whatever. 1594 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:41.600 No, I think it's just a thing of like as 1595 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:46.720 you haven't Yeah, yeah, I've used that skull. The skull 1596 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:50.399 definitely has I've read briefly that that plays. I've only 1597 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:52.800 used the sister blades and the staff so far. 1598 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:55.600 Yeah, yeah, I do. My mains are the Sister Blades 1599 01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.840 and the Axe, and like the axe is like okay, 1600 01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.279 the only real downside to it for me is that 1601 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:02.800 like it's slow, so you know, you boost the attack 1602 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.000 speed on that. And I've also gotten boons where like 1603 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:07.600 it basically makes it like a three sixty swing around you, 1604 01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:10.239 so you can make some broken builds in the best 1605 01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.319 way with the axe. But like there are a couple 1606 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:14.960 I tried once and like like the gun or the 1607 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.520 skull gun and uh, the the two like torches, Like 1608 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:20.920 I use those once and I was like, I don't 1609 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:23.439 like these. Like occasionally I'll do the staff, but almost 1610 01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:27.239 always it's the Sister Blades, the axe, or the last 1611 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:29.479 one that I just got, which I don't want to spoil, 1612 01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:29.960 but it's. 1613 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.239 Yeah, which we will spoil, but is wild. 1614 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.560 Truly, it's pretty cool wild, which in the same ways 1615 01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:38.279 that the first hades, Like the last weapon you get 1616 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:40.880 in that game is is the the rail like that 1617 01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:42.560 the gun like it's wild. 1618 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.319 Yeah, it's got the artillery shot for its special yeah, 1619 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.439 then the machine gun for like so yeah. 1620 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:51.479 You were you were mentioning the first one and how 1621 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:53.600 that worked, and like I totally forgot we were talking 1622 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.520 about on the BombCast where it's like I forgot the 1623 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.119 cast was just that diamond thing. 1624 01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:59.920 Yeah, you should the diamond to get them back. 1625 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.079 Yeah, I totally forgot that's how that works. But then 1626 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:04.079 you mentioned the charge, like the omega attacks and stuff 1627 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:05.920 that did the first one have the omega attacks? 1628 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:06.479 No? 1629 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.840 Okay, because you didn't have a magic The magic meter 1630 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.800 is new, just. 1631 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.159 As straight up MP is new. Yeah. So that, yeah, strategic, 1632 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.520 Like you're talking about Mollinaa having more like strategy to her. 1633 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.079 Like I think about every time I start to fight 1634 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.600 with the Sirens, and it's all right, I dashed between 1635 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.119 the main lady in the shell and the drummer drop 1636 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:24.560 down a cast where it's like, you know, I got 1637 01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:26.199 lightning or whatever they're and then I'm going over there, 1638 01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:27.880 I'm beat the fuck out of the guitarist, and so like, 1639 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.399 there is totally a strategy that I go into with 1640 01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:32.640 each of these battles that I love. Now, you're right, 1641 01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:34.520 I don't remember having that feeling with the first one, 1642 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.039 like the first one is fucking incredible, but I do 1643 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:39.920 think this one is pretty much better in every way. Yeah, 1644 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:40.119 I was. 1645 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:42.920 Gonna ask, like I'm not that far in and I'm 1646 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.039 asking this more to play Devil's Advocate. I don't think 1647 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:48.439 every sequel needs to like fucking completely upend its predecessor. 1648 01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:51.520 I so far, it feels like more Haites to me, 1649 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:54.600 and like she plays extremely differently for sure, And I 1650 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:56.279 don't think that's a bad thing, because that's kind of 1651 01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:01.079 what I wanted. Does it Is it taking drastic steps 1652 01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:03.560 away from the first game, whether it's like structurally as 1653 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:07.760 you're in the progression, or is it largely just as 1654 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:12.000 a result of the way Melanoi plays with different weapons 1655 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.800 or how she kind of builds her skills, or or 1656 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:19.000 is it just a slight like a different variation on 1657 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:21.760 the first game in a fun way, which is fine. 1658 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.159 It's a lot of variation. I think there are expansions 1659 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:27.279 in in ways. I think there's a lot of experimentation, 1660 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:28.720 which is I think the word I would use to 1661 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.840 describe it like I think some there are two zones 1662 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:36.199 in particular that are structured like drastically different than anything 1663 01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:38.560 in the first game, And it's more of a like 1664 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.439 you have more agency over where you want to go 1665 01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:43.159 and what you want to pick up and sort of 1666 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.560 how you want to navigate that space, and I think 1667 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.720 moments like that are really interesting, and I think it's 1668 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:50.479 full of little moments like that where it's just like, 1669 01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.199 here's an idea that we've kind of twisted, or we've 1670 01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:55.479 really just kind of taken this time to experiment with 1671 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.039 something completely different. But at the end of the day, 1672 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:00.920 like you're still getting your P minute upgrades the same 1673 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:02.760 way you did through the Mirror of Night, Like this 1674 01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:06.720 time it's the Arconic cards. You're still upgrading your home 1675 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:09.239 base the crossroads in this one. You're still talking to 1676 01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.279 characters and giving them nectar and ambrosia and social links. 1677 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.560 You're still using six different weapons, You're still getting keepsakes 1678 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.479 from all the different characters that give you different variations. 1679 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:18.600 Throughout your run. 1680 01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:21.159 Like all of that is still there. Like the foundation 1681 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:25.920 is the same, and honestly, the I think the theming 1682 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:29.720 of the story is also pretty similar. Obviously, the stakes 1683 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.319 have been escalated tremendously from the first game, where the 1684 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:34.399 first one is like about like reuniting your family and 1685 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:36.560 figuring out like what's going on, but like the second 1686 01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:42.600 one is like, shit's bad man, like everything, we have 1687 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:46.359 to figure this out, and it's kind of on Melina 1688 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:50.479 way to solve all of the problems. But at the 1689 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.720 same time, it is like, kind of this story of 1690 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:58.279 living forever doesn't have to be miserable, because so many 1691 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:00.119 times when you're talking about like the Greek panthe On, 1692 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.319 it's all of these gods being selfish and hating each other, 1693 01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:05.760 and everyone's mad at everyone, and someone's killing somebody and 1694 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:08.520 something's happening. But it's kind of nice to have a 1695 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.520 sort of situation where it's like, you know, there's still 1696 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.439 selfish motives for a lot of these characters, and they're 1697 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:16.279 still pain and anguish there that's being explored. But it 1698 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.960 is nice to have a story that's like, you know what, 1699 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:20.800 we're actually going to be pretty helpful to each other 1700 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:22.039 and like, at the end of the day, hopefully be 1701 01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:24.800 a little bit better to each other. And that's something 1702 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:26.800 there's something nice about that. I think it fits thematically 1703 01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:29.039 with the first one, which is sort of this story 1704 01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.039 that ends on like a very hopeful note despite it 1705 01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:32.760 being about the god of the underworld. 1706 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:35.600 So I do appreciate that about it. 1707 01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:40.079 Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's if somebody just didn't 1708 01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:42.119 like with the first one at all as far as 1709 01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.359 just the format and how it all works and the 1710 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.560 tone and the story and everything. Like I don't think 1711 01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:51.880 that there's such a huge change with two that's like, 1712 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.800 well you're gonna love this one. Like there definitely are 1713 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:56.520 those sequels where it's like, oh yeah, this is totally different, 1714 01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:59.079 this is similar. I think it's better. I think it 1715 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.720 offers more. There's I love just having the options of 1716 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.399 like you know, you know now I'm more specifically like okay, 1717 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:08.760 I'm trying to get to the go up boss or 1718 01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:11.279 the go down boss or whatever. But like there's that 1719 01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:13.279 kind of middle again once your few hours in, It's 1720 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:14.960 like I love going up there and be like Okay, 1721 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:16.920 I guess i'll give this another shot. I'll go down 1722 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:18.600 there and okay, I'll try this weapon here and I'll 1723 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.159 go up there, and then you can do the things 1724 01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:23.439 where you know, you add the modifiers. It's like the 1725 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:25.880 Halo skulls, you know of like make this harder and everything. 1726 01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:29.000 Like it's fun just like deciding early on like what 1727 01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:32.159 kind of run you want to have, and then as 1728 01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:34.960 your build kind of progresses as you go through the zones, 1729 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:36.760 being like Okay, well I guess it's gonna be this 1730 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.399 type of run my cast is super overpowered or I'm 1731 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.600 doing all weak or lightning based powers or whatever, and 1732 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:44.960 just seeing the way these runs progress. But it's not 1733 01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:49.399 that different than that in the first game. I just 1734 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:51.640 think it's all expanded upon in a big way. 1735 01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:55.039 Yeah, it hooked me hard in the first couple hours, 1736 01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:57.399 Like that's the only thing that's really like pulled me 1737 01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:00.600 away from Ghosts of Yote and again, I want to 1738 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:02.920 I'm gonna finish Goes to Yota. But like Haities two 1739 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:04.880 is I knew I shouldn't have started it, but I 1740 01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:06.479 played a few hours just so I could talk about 1741 01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:10.800 it at least in the intro tonight. No, yeah, it 1742 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:17.119 feels amazing. I'm already very I'm very like intrigued by 1743 01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.680 the different characters at the camp, Like Nemesis. I appreciate 1744 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.680 that you can't even give her ambrosia at the beginning 1745 01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:26.199 because she's so You and her clearly have such a 1746 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:29.560 terrible relationship. Well she she's Nemesis, so like, of course 1747 01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:33.279 she's not going to be super friendly with you. But yeah, 1748 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:36.680 I also appreciate returning characters. I like that there's new ones. 1749 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:41.239 I I was not someone who played the first game 1750 01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:44.119 for the story, but I thought it added a welcome 1751 01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:45.920 layer to the story, even though I was playing it 1752 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.880 for the gameplay, for the progression for the loop. I 1753 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:51.920 like that those characters were compelling in their own right 1754 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:52.880 outside of the Loop. 1755 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.159 So yeah, I'm I'm thinking the game. I just gotta 1756 01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:57.560 you know, I want to keep playing more. 1757 01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:02.000 And it's completely fine if it's not revolutionizing the ideas 1758 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:03.880 in the first game, because I don't think it needed to. 1759 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.760 I think if it needed if it's a refinement of 1760 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:09.439 the best game of twenty twenty, then that's a pretty 1761 01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:10.479 good start. Yeah. 1762 01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:13.800 Maybe the best Rogue Light of all time. Yeah, it's yeah, Jesse. 1763 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:19.119 I don't know if you know the we literally for 1764 01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:22.119 twenty twenty. That was when we started fire Escape and 1765 01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:24.800 for our Game of the Year discussion, which we did remotely. 1766 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.279 I think since then we've done every Game of the 1767 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.920 year in person, but I believe that was our only 1768 01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:34.159 remote one, and I think we did two maybe two, 1769 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.439 and and Haites won one Game of the Year for us, 1770 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.000 and we literally I don't think said the name Hades 1771 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:42.800 until the very end when we announced it, and we. 1772 01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:45.800 Didn't get a whole order of the list, and everything, 1773 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:47.960 and it's like we didn't say hades. We didn't go 1774 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.680 over it. It's just like, okay, so I think this 1775 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:51.680 is a good number ten, and our this is this 1776 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:53.279 will go up, this to go down. And then we 1777 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:55.159 got to one and we're like, oh fuck, we haven't 1778 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:57.600 said hades yet. It was just such, it was just assumed. 1779 01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:00.560 Kind of clear. Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, I yeah, Hades. 1780 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:06.520 I'm liking it so much so far. I'm I'm I 1781 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:10.399 do think very very like at this point, I'm just nitpicking. 1782 01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:14.439 Of course, I do think the home base in Haites 1783 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:17.399 one was so much more readable up front, Like the 1784 01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:21.079 space two there's so much and it's gorgeous. And two 1785 01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:23.640 there's there's so many little corners that I didn't realize 1786 01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:27.720 I could even walk into. It's a bit overwhelming at first, 1787 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:29.560 Like the first one was just like, oh, a few 1788 01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.520 rooms where you knew exactly where you can go. This 1789 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.680 is the tavern where he hangs out. This is your 1790 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:38.279 your living quarters that you go into, throne room. This 1791 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:43.560 is where I forget what his name is, Hypnos not Hypnos, 1792 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:48.159 Brad Pitt's Achilles hangs out. So I was like, all right, okay, cool, 1793 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:50.279 So now but now the Crossroads is like so much 1794 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.239 more sprawling. But again, on the flip side, that's kind 1795 01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:56.319 of I'm more excited to explore it, which at a 1796 01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:59.039 certain point in Hades won that space I was going 1797 01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:00.880 back to an emerging from the pool every time got 1798 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.880 a bit old. So yeah, I can't wait to keep 1799 01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:06.079 playing this game. I only have two weapons so far, 1800 01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:10.520 and I'm I'm probably on my sixth run if i 1801 01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:13.279 was to boot it up after the recording, So it's 1802 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.319 not like I'm far and whatsoever, but it's it's got 1803 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:17.479 a hooks in me for sure. Yeah. 1804 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:21.199 I do think that part of the Crossroads readability issue 1805 01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:23.840 is that it is outside. It is not clearly defined, yeah, 1806 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:27.159 like rooms of a house are. And it does I 1807 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:29.000 don't know if it ever gets better, because you kind 1808 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.319 of just keep adding stuff to the Crossroads as you 1809 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:33.840 do more, as you brew more of the incantations, and 1810 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:37.159 you know, more characters show up and whatever. But it 1811 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.199 does get at least you're like, Okay, I know nothing 1812 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:40.960 is going on over there. Nothing has ever going one 1813 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:41.880 over the walk. 1814 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:44.640 I've gone up the pool path a million times in which. 1815 01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:45.600 Nothing could be nothing. 1816 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:48.399 Ever. Yeah, so that's nice and then you eventually do 1817 01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.079 get to decorate it. As you start do more runs, 1818 01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:53.039 you'll get more stuff to decorate, kind of like the first game, 1819 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:55.800 and the customization options are like pretty good. I like 1820 01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.680 a lot of the this. It feels like a worthwhile 1821 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.319 reward for your efforts times like, yeah, I actually do 1822 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:03.319 want to hang these string lights. These look really nice 1823 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:05.840 and like I kind of vibe with it. The one 1824 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:08.640 big thing that kind of bugs me about eighties two, 1825 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:10.840 and I think it gets better with time. But there 1826 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.680 are a lot of resources. That game asks you to 1827 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.199 spend a lot of plates all the time, and it's 1828 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:19.399 like you're maintaining a garden and you're getting bones and 1829 01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:27.520 ash and psyche and minerals and weird other like mystical 1830 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.199 materials that you don't really always know what they're golden 1831 01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:36.359 used for, golden apple, wool, silver, like just random stuff, 1832 01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:39.680 and you won't always have options to use them in 1833 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:42.560 the incantations pool until you've like progressed certain stories. So 1834 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:45.159 there are times I was sitting on like eighty bronze 1835 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.640 and I'm like, can I get rid of this? 1836 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:50.079 Do I need this? What do I do with these? 1837 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:50.560 Yeah? 1838 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:53.000 And it'll tell you, luckily, now in the when you 1839 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.479 go to recycle, it'll say like, uh, when you're highlighted 1840 01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:59.720 over something that's important, it'll say like important resource, like 1841 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.600 you still need this basically, And there are other ones 1842 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:04.279 that won't say that. And it's like you can get 1843 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:05.239 rid of these, but. 1844 01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.560 Because I unlock the recycling, Yeah, all the fish, I've 1845 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:09.159 always saw. 1846 01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:11.680 You there's rubbers, nothing to do with them. 1847 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:14.640 Okay, also recycling things where yeah, there's the rubbish stuff 1848 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:16.800 that the arrest throws out, and I always crash that. 1849 01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:18.720 But then everything else in that menu I've been afraid 1850 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:20.159 to use because it's like, am I going to need 1851 01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.720 this for an incantation or an aspect of a weapon 1852 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:23.479 or something like that. 1853 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:25.600 Yeah, So, and it's it's always it's hard to tell 1854 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:28.079 because you have the book, which is great. The book 1855 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.560 will tell you like here's how you get this material, 1856 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:32.319 here's where you get it. Sometimes it don't even tell 1857 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:34.279 you what it might be used for. So I use 1858 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:36.159 the book all the time. But when you have like 1859 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.960 I think like twenty five to thirty different materials at 1860 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:44.000 any given places, it's like we go like six right now, Yeah, 1861 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:46.399 in between that, and like the fish and like some 1862 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.199 of the other random bits and bobs you get. It's 1863 01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:53.079 just like, yeah, all the plants, there's there's got to 1864 01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:56.279 be twenty different plants like there. It's just it's a lot, 1865 01:23:56.439 --> 01:23:58.279 and you can ignore ninety percent of it and have 1866 01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.000 a great time with this game. But truly, you can 1867 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:04.119 ignore most of the ancillary stuff and just play the 1868 01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:06.359 game and be like, I'm just playing eighty two. It's 1869 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:08.239 a great time. It takes me fifteen minutes to a run. 1870 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.359 I get to go home after that, like whatever. But 1871 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:13.159 when you're trying to like get everything or you want 1872 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.720 to see certain storylines, you're like, all right, how many 1873 01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:17.199 man Drakes do I have? 1874 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:18.680 Do I have the olives? 1875 01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:21.760 Did I get the moper fish? 1876 01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:23.239 Maybe we didn't need all of. 1877 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:26.239 This, right, I can see that. Yeah, it's not something 1878 01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:28.840 that actively like impedes my enjoyment of it moment to moment, 1879 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:31.199 But like I can't argue that, like there's a good 1880 01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:32.039 reason why we have this. 1881 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:36.159 Yeah, it's a little silly, but I think all the 1882 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:37.359 characters in that game are great. 1883 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:41.960 It's tremendous. It's gonna be you know. I think about 1884 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:43.439 it a lot like Game of the Year type stuff 1885 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:46.479 like it I cannot wait to see what these discussions 1886 01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:49.279 are like, because there are so many fucking games that 1887 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.199 could have a real shot at like near the top. 1888 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:56.800 Remember my last year, I think around this time of year, 1889 01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.359 and we'll I think later this episode we'll talk about 1890 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:03.000 timing of Game of the Year again. But I told 1891 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.640 Amanda what I thought would win Game of the Year, 1892 01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:12.079 so she knew, but like I wasn't so she could 1893 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:14.319 then tell me like she could then claim that I 1894 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.039 was right or wrong last year. 1895 01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:19.199 Like writing on a piece of paper, yea, yeah. 1896 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.000 And what was our game of the year, Like I 1897 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:20.359 think I. 1898 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:24.079 Forgot oh last year? Last year was I never remember? 1899 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.600 Probably it was balatro and yeah, I told that was 1900 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:33.479 just a guess that was most. 1901 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:33.600 I wouldn't have gotten Astrobot the game of the year, 1902 01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:35.039 so I assume no, Yeah, I was. 1903 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:37.000 Correct last year, but I think all of us kind 1904 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.640 of expected that. But this year there are several I 1905 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:42.399 could see it being Yeah. 1906 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.479 I think there's probably like four I could. 1907 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:50.079 Say, yeah, yeah, especially no, I don't want to Uh, 1908 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:52.560 I'm not gonna without marry here. I'm not gonna dog 1909 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:58.920 on any games. Dan, you played MEGABONK yes, so three 1910 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:02.600 d okay? It's three D Vampire Survivors, like an accurate 1911 01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:04.560 yeah description. 1912 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:07.000 That's definitely the first thing you would think of when 1913 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:08.960 you see it. That's the literal first thing I thought of. 1914 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:11.680 I love the way I was introduced this game. I'm 1915 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.920 sitting on the couch next to Bank my wife. Her 1916 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.319 name is Bianca. We call her Bonk, and we're both 1917 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:18.560 you know, we do a lot of sitting next to 1918 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.439 each other playing Steam decks and switches, and we. 1919 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:22.159 Do a lot of sitting next to each other. It's 1920 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:23.760 such a romantic. 1921 01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:26.960 Thing, you know, wild, Yeah, sit next to someone on 1922 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.439 all you want. And she's scrolling through a Steam looking 1923 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:33.279 for something to download, and she just chuckles and she's like, 1924 01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:34.560 look at this. Look at the name of this game 1925 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:36.800 and the little megabonk and it was like, oh yeah, 1926 01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:39.560 it's like your name, Bunk. And then she's like, wait 1927 01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:43.119 a minute, overwhelmingly positive. And I was like, oh, okay, 1928 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:44.720 what's this And She's gonna show me pictures of it 1929 01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:47.359 and stuff, and I'm like, okay, I'm curious. So I downloaded. 1930 01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.760 It is three D Vampire Survivors, And in these last 1931 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:56.159 two weeks, like there's three very distinct modes with all 1932 01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:59.439 these games coming out, it's like, Okay, if I have 1933 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.479 a night you know where it's like, I'm gonna sit down. 1934 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:04.800 It's a weekend night. I have all the time in 1935 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.359 the world until I fall asleep, nothing to do tomorrow. 1936 01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:09.720 I've been playing Yota, where it's like, that's the game 1937 01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:11.159 I like to sink into. That's not a game I 1938 01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:13.239 load up for thirty minutes and run around a field 1939 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:16.479 and whatever. And so that's why that has not happened 1940 01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:20.159 as much. It's because that's a commitment. Hades, I feel 1941 01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:22.399 like the runs are even your best runs are going 1942 01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.000 to be like less than thirty minutes. So it's like, 1943 01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.079 all right, I got an hour before the workday starts, 1944 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:31.439 I'll do a run in Hades. But the potent drug 1945 01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.279 of Megabank is that it is Vampire Survivors, but instead 1946 01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:37.119 of that thirty minute limit, it is ten minutes. So 1947 01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.880 it is very easy to find like, oh, okay, it's 1948 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.039 ten minutes. I'll do a run before bet, I'll do 1949 01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:45.880 a run between these things, I'll do whatever. And then 1950 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.560 it's so easy to just that turns into hours upon 1951 01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:52.520 hours upon hours. So I have played more Megabank than 1952 01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:56.479 i've played Hades or Yota as a result, even though 1953 01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:58.399 I'm telling myself it's just going to be ten minutes, 1954 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.760 it is just that loop of that Vampire Survivors thing 1955 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.720 of like, man, I just keep unlocking new weapons, I 1956 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:07.520 keep unlocking new characters and this laundry list of quests 1957 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:09.800 and everything. Like when it starts, it's very Vampire Survivors 1958 01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.439 where it seems very bare bones and I'm just running 1959 01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:14.800 around and it's kind of auto shooting everything around me, 1960 01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.960 and like there's things you immediately realize where it's like, oh, 1961 01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:22.199 being three D, the levels are designed differently. I can jump, 1962 01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:24.920 which adds a whole different element that Vampire Survivors didn't have. Oh, 1963 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.119 I can upgrade, so like now I can get double jumps, 1964 01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:29.119 triple jumps. Now I got a quintuple jump. Ooh, but 1965 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:30.760 now I got the scarf that makes it so I 1966 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.239 do thirty three percent more damage when I'm airborne. So 1967 01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:35.880 now I'm picking the character the skeleton with a skateboard 1968 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.239 that moves really fast, and now I'm like just tuple 1969 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.920 jumping over the entire battlefield, moving fast as fuck, shooting 1970 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:46.640 like sniper rifles and throwing bones and bananas down on 1971 01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.319 all these guys and it's fucking awesome, Like you can 1972 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:54.000 break that game insane ways. And it does show its 1973 01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:57.319 hand more as like, Okay, it's not just Vampire Survivors, 1974 01:28:57.359 --> 01:28:59.760 but in three D it shows you everything that can 1975 01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:01.800 be added to the experience by giving you that three 1976 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:05.159 D space to play around. But yeah, everything is very 1977 01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:08.560 inspired by vampires, fibers, and like starting very basic. In 1978 01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:10.720 the new unlock kind of a quest log, you unlock 1979 01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:13.159 like more and more characters, Like it seems like every 1980 01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:15.399 time you're playing, it's like, Okay, I got these three unlocked. 1981 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:17.119 Now I got this new weapon that can pop up 1982 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:21.439 in the run, and it's uh, it's potent is the 1983 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:23.479 word I keep thinking of. It is hard to stop 1984 01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:27.159 playing it in a way that like Hades. I I 1985 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:31.399 think objectively Hades is like a better game. I think 1986 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.840 it'd be hard to argue against that. But it's like 1987 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:36.399 I can stop playing Hades because it's like, ah, I 1988 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:38.000 can't commit to am if this is a good run 1989 01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:40.199 that could be thirty plus minutes. You know, I don't 1990 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:43.840 have time for that megabonk. It's like that run doesn't count. 1991 01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:47.840 I can do another ten minutes. That's fine, you can. 1992 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:52.520 You can bump megabonk Is that a drug thing? 1993 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:54.840 Mike Mahartyah, it like bumps a coke. 1994 01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:57.960 I don't need to find so come on, man, we're 1995 01:29:58.000 --> 01:29:59.960 gonna get kicked off these platforms. What do you talk? 1996 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:03.720 I think you've been some before, Dan, my goodness, sucking 1997 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:05.479 lame o Dan over here. 1998 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:09.319 Yeah, geez, not a bump before, you, little bitch. I 1999 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.840 have not, actually, so imagine me on cocaine. Can you 2000 01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.159 imagine that's not a good time for one? 2001 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:17.640 No, that's a valid point, man, It would be a good. 2002 01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:17.960 Time for me. 2003 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:20.399 You've all been around me a lot. You've all drank 2004 01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:21.079 with me a lot. 2005 01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:24.720 I don't need cocaine, no one needs it, but that 2006 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:25.359 would be fun. 2007 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:28.039 No, Jesse, I don't think you think you might like 2008 01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:28.479 to see it. 2009 01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:30.720 I think it'd be a real thing that I want 2010 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.399 to see it. I know, I know I want to 2011 01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:34.119 see you. I want to see it. Also, Oh you 2012 01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:35.439 we both do. Yeah. 2013 01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:38.479 I've done harder than weed three times, and it's like, well, 2014 01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:40.640 you fuckers better be ready to babysit. 2015 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:44.800 Shirt three times like psychedelics. 2016 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.840 Yeah, I did shrooms twice and Morning Glorious needs once 2017 01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:49.760 all when I was eighteen, all in dorms, and every 2018 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:52.279 time is like everyone cancer, you're playing for the night. 2019 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:54.520 You got to just make sure I just don't lose 2020 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.840 my mind in this bunk bed. For you know, eight hours. 2021 01:30:57.399 --> 01:30:59.640 Harder than weed is just a funny phrase for Dan. 2022 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:01.960 I think it's like even weed is like I am 2023 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:04.039 the most lightweight with weed ever because I could sew 2024 01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:06.039 up up in my head and everything. So it's just like, yeah, 2025 01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:09.600 me on coke, I can't even fucking imagine what that's like. 2026 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:11.479 What if you were just really what if you were 2027 01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:17.199 actually just really cool on coke? It mellows you like 2028 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:20.279 cac Man or like nuclear Gandhi and civilization back to 2029 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:21.680 normal and the bottom end. 2030 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:24.239 Yeah, it's I took the crayon out of Homer's nose. 2031 01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:26.119 You're not going to get that reference. Yeah, I get it. 2032 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:27.640 I watched that episode. It was one of the ones 2033 01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:28.279 you recommended. 2034 01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:31.560 No you didn't, No, I don't know, boy. I mean, 2035 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.680 there's a cure. In a groundhog day situation where nothing 2036 01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:36.159 matters and I'm just going to wake up the next 2037 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:38.640 day and everything's back to normal. I would do everything 2038 01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:40.359 because I'm curious. 2039 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.880 That that brings holy shit. I don't remember how we 2040 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:44.720 got in this. It was my fault, I think. But 2041 01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:48.920 I asked Amanda that last time we watched Palm Springs, 2042 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:50.600 and we watched that movie like three times a year now. 2043 01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:55.199 I asked that. I was like, would that with the 2044 01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:58.359 next day reset any of your addictions. 2045 01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:00.439 You might have been building up? Yeah? I think so, right, 2046 01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:01.520 but your memory is. 2047 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:05.000 Up building, like you lose the hangover because the body stuff. 2048 01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:08.479 If there's a chemical dependency, I think I think that 2049 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:09.199 would be flushed. 2050 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:12.920 Your memory is not flushed out. Well, PTSD wouldn't go away. 2051 01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:15.880 But he's not the horror he witnessed. He does a 2052 01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:18.000 lot of drugs, he says all the time. Him and JK. 2053 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:20.119 Simmons do the We are the ship in the bathtubs. 2054 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.319 Like I had wondered, like, could you build up a 2055 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:24.319 chemical dependency over time in this? 2056 01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.279 So I think flushes out that'd be fun. Yeah, it's 2057 01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:28.319 like loading a save state. 2058 01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:35.039 Yeah, that'd be nice, megabo but megabonk Yeah, so it 2059 01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:37.880 might as well be a little Palm Springs groundhog Day 2060 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:38.159 kind of. 2061 01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:42.159 I mean, it is absolutely just like doing every trick 2062 01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:44.279 video games have learned over the last forty years of 2063 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:47.279 making the chemicals in your brain just fireworks go off, 2064 01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:49.359 you know it is. I am not gonna say it's 2065 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:51.439 better him than eighties. I'm certainly not gonna say it's 2066 01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:54.760 better anything we're talking about here. Uh. It's just something 2067 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:57.880 I can't stop playing. And that is in spite of 2068 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:02.079 the fact that it is the most lousy with internet 2069 01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:05.079 humor game I may have ever played. And that is 2070 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:09.319 my kryptonite. I hate meme internet humor. So like your 2071 01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:11.920 bonuses where you get more money is like, oh, stunks, 2072 01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:15.439 and like one of the characters is Megachad and his 2073 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:19.039 base weapon is Aura, and so like that's garlic. But Aura, 2074 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.800 I'm telling you, trust me, I hate that ship. It's 2075 01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:25.760 like when you die, it's it's like you dead. Maybe 2076 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.479 him skill issue, Like I'm telling you, I'm telling you 2077 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:30.039 this ship. 2078 01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.039 For that reason. I'm out a. 2079 01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:37.000 Testament to how fun the game is that I can 2080 01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:39.000 look at this stuff that I think is the lamest 2081 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.880 ship ever and I can be like, Okay, it's still 2082 01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:46.000 worth playing, but it's it's it's it goes hard into that. 2083 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.720 Would you say that megabunk is certifiably harder than weed? 2084 01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:55.840 Now that they're both legal I think they might be 2085 01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:59.640 in unequal planes, unless you live in a state where 2086 01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:02.439 weeds now legal, in which case weed is harder. 2087 01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:06.039 All right, good to know, yuh Jesse, speaking of harder 2088 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:10.359 than weed. Tell me about Digimon's story Time Stranger. 2089 01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:11.119 Beautiful. 2090 01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:14.119 So you know, we were just talking about eighties two 2091 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.760 and how it's a story about the Greek pantheon and 2092 01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:18.199 you have. 2093 01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:19.239 All these great characters. 2094 01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:21.520 What if I told you digitmon story Time Stranger is 2095 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:24.960 also that story is also like, imagine. 2096 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:26.000 Who's the Zeus of Digimon? 2097 01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:31.720 But no, but actually I don't know who Zeus is, 2098 01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:34.880 Like who like no, no, no, no, no, no, the analog 2099 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:35.520 for Digitimon. 2100 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:39.239 But what I will say is like, think about Apollo. Right, 2101 01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.680 did you just start explaining Zeus is to him? 2102 01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:48.640 He said, who was guy? Yeah? 2103 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:53.960 But I meant in the digit ready to rock with 2104 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:59.279 the with the Light version of Zeus. 2105 01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:02.039 Sorry. 2106 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:05.920 So it is a time travel story based on the 2107 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.720 you know, based on the name. You are in the 2108 01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:12.079 digital world of Iliad and there's a character named Homerus 2109 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:15.560 and you get to hang out with characters like Apollo Mon. 2110 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:23.800 So what was there a rocky I wish? Okay, So 2111 01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:25.640 here's the thing. I actually think the story of this 2112 01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:27.680 game is pretty good because when you're looking at other 2113 01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:30.640 games in the genre, like like other Monster Teamer games, 2114 01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:35.680 is the genre okay, like like Pokemon, Pokemon is. It's 2115 01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:38.159 an RPG. You collect digitmon you battle them the same 2116 01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.079 way you would like Pokemon. It's all like three three battle. 2117 01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:43.760 I knew what Digimon was, but the way the title 2118 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:45.720 is structured, I thought it might be like a graphic 2119 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:46.520 novel based. 2120 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:49.439 No, that's super valid because I realized, like I've just 2121 01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:51.760 been playing this game for seventy hours and I'm just like, yeah, 2122 01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:58.680 obviously everyone knows what Digimon's story time strange, but not us. No, 2123 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:04.439 cruually not affair shit. So yeah, so it's a it's 2124 01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:07.119 an RPG, you know in all names. You know, it's 2125 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:11.560 you collect monsters, you battle them, You're trying to save 2126 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:15.640 the world. It's anime as fuck. It starts off at 2127 01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:17.680 like very like Slice of Life sort of. You're just 2128 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.119 kind of walking around Tokyo. You get brought into the 2129 01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:23.359 digital world, embroiled and things much larger than yourself. That's 2130 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:26.840 sort of sort of typical anime. My friends are my 2131 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:29.640 power type stuff, But it does punch above its weight. 2132 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:31.680 Which I think is really fascinating. When you're look at 2133 01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:34.319 something like Pokemon, that story is always like kind of 2134 01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:37.079 whatever for the most part, like no one, it's for 2135 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:39.399 you know, it's it's basic, is what I would say. 2136 01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:42.720 Where Digitmon like tries to tackle more mature problems and 2137 01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:46.680 like real issues that I'm like fascinated by. 2138 01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:49.119 Did Youmond ever committed suicide? 2139 01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:54.399 You should play digitmon stories Stranger? Oh okay, But the 2140 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:56.520 thing I was learning about Digitmon is I watched the 2141 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.760 show growing up, and I was like, yeah, okay, it's digimon, Like, 2142 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:00.640 I don't know, they're just monsters, not as good as 2143 01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:03.000 Pokemon is kind of think the sentiment around the town. 2144 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:05.159 But then when you play the games and you learn 2145 01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.279 about all the other freakos that are in this game, Like, 2146 01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:10.359 let me just paint you a picture. Okay, do you 2147 01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:13.079 guys know VV from Final Fantasy nine, Like your typical 2148 01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:16.600 black mage looking character with like the big yellow eyes 2149 01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:22.039 eyes pictures picture that, but its body is a revolver 2150 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:27.119 and then it's holding two revolvers. His name is Deputymon. 2151 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:31.920 Nice. Okay, I don't get don't don't get that. I 2152 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:32.439 don't either. 2153 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:38.800 Forty one I'm going to I'm not gonna that's definitely 2154 01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:44.039 this dude, Jesse. Don't you didn't tell me his body 2155 01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:45.520 is a revolver. 2156 01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:47.680 That was the first thing I said, you just and 2157 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:49.000 he's no, no, no. 2158 01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.399 No, no, I wasn't done. His body's a revolver and 2159 01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:58.560 he's dual wielding revolvers, a cowboy hat and cowboy. 2160 01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:01.239 Yeah, his his horse, I was a revolver. But the 2161 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:03.399 rest of him is still just like a badass cowboy 2162 01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:05.439 and he looks like a heartless from Kingdom hearts. 2163 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:07.800 But now let me tell you. Okay, So there's that 2164 01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:12.800 guy right like the evolutionist attribute. Sorry, sorry to go 2165 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:13.640 for it. 2166 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:18.079 I'm on, I'm on dis fandoms digimon Dan, are you 2167 01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:21.680 looking at this too? Look at his character at the 2168 01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:25.319 top of his wiki Pasi and his attribute is vaccine. 2169 01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:31.600 What his family is virus pro. He's very pro vaccine. 2170 01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:37.279 His size is just twenty g. It's like his Wait, 2171 01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.640 his next form is superstar on. Let's look at superstar. 2172 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:44.039 Click on his next. 2173 01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:45.039 Form superstar on. 2174 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:48.560 It's just a fucking batas star with sunglasses. 2175 01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:52.880 And box Holy shit, he's got like wrestler boots and tassels. 2176 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:56.319 This is just this is like just the baseline, Like 2177 01:38:56.720 --> 01:38:59.199 this game is four hundred and fifty of this. 2178 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.359 So it's Pokemon, but the base Pokemon is. 2179 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:06.319 Hang on, Like there are. 2180 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:09.399 Like normal like baby creature looking digimon, but then there's 2181 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:12.600 also a digitmon that's literally just like a construction crane 2182 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.840 with eyes. I think it's called break dramon. Like it's 2183 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.399 just like, did Youimon have like a really weird evolution 2184 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:22.880 path where it's like creature to like just a machine gun. 2185 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:25.600 Wondering what is the weirdest digimon you know? 2186 01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:29.520 Hang on, Okay, it's looking. Prior forms of Deputy Moon 2187 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.720 are Star Moon and superstar On. So wait, is it 2188 01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:36.119 that he was a star with sunglasses and he evolved 2189 01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:39.760 into being a deputy like a sheriff star like a badge? 2190 01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:40.520 Is that the connection? 2191 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:45.439 Sometimes there is no connection, especially in the games, because 2192 01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:47.640 there's branching evolution lines. You get to kind of pick 2193 01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:49.800 and choose where you want to go. So the games 2194 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:52.640 like really break away from like the anime where there's 2195 01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:55.560 this like set like like Pikachu evolves into Ryo Chew. 2196 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:58.960 It's like not like that or set. Digimon is all 2197 01:39:59.000 --> 01:39:59.640 over the place. 2198 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:03.600 I'm looking at golf man right now, Jesse, this is 2199 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:05.600 dangerous that you introduced me to deputy. 2200 01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:09.279 Look up, look up gun dram on just on g 2201 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:12.720 U N d r A m O N. This guy 2202 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:14.880 was in my party the entire game once. 2203 01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:18.680 I that's a lot of it's a fucking guy another 2204 01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:24.279 but every appendage and more is revolvers. 2205 01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:28.640 Is this dick a revolver? It kind of looks like 2206 01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:30.399 his guns on him. 2207 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:31.880 I don't see a dick. 2208 01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:36.640 I see one. No, it's not a no, I see one. 2209 01:40:38.359 --> 01:40:41.039 Okay, I is digimon cool. 2210 01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:43.079 I need to teach you the other half of digitmon, 2211 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:44.960 where where I think we're going to get Dan out 2212 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:51.840 of digitmon, because this is where digitmon gets really confusing, 2213 01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:53.960 because what you're looking at right now is certifiably just 2214 01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:57.319 a mode weird weird thing that exists. 2215 01:40:57.439 --> 01:40:57.640 Now. 2216 01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:01.920 Look up bel b e E L storm on one word. 2217 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:11.319 Okay, okay, it's like on the top with a lot 2218 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:12.520 of bullets flying around her. 2219 01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:15.920 Talking like bett. 2220 01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:19.079 Just a woman, you know what I mean? 2221 01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:22.279 Right, But like there's a head that's like a cool 2222 01:41:22.359 --> 01:41:24.640 shark head floating around and then it looks like a 2223 01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:25.399 shoot shark head. 2224 01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:27.560 Which one you're looking at because. 2225 01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:31.840 He's in a like a Zanya outfit. We're looking at 2226 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:32.239 the same thing. 2227 01:41:32.279 --> 01:41:32.600 I think. 2228 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:38.199 Okay, so the thing that's above are you looking at 2229 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:39.640 the fandom. 2230 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:41.079 I'm looking so that. 2231 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:42.920 Yeah, like it's it's. 2232 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:44.960 The thing above her and like those are just bullets 2233 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.399 like otherwise it's like just a woman with two revolvers 2234 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:48.359 and like a mask. 2235 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.640 Okay, I don't think I see the woman and that 2236 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:53.439 is going to get Dan out of digimon. 2237 01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:54.560 Well so I was. 2238 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:57.079 It's it's less interesting when a lot of digitmon are 2239 01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:01.479 also just like humans wearing gotcha like like it starts 2240 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.159 as a creature and then it becomes just like a human. 2241 01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:07.479 Like in a mech. 2242 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.960 Yeah, I'm looking at Mitos Simon Bee now and he's 2243 01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:13.399 just like a vampire guy, Like he just looks like 2244 01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:13.760 a guy. 2245 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:14.119 Yeah. 2246 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:16.479 So there's a lot of those, But then there's also 2247 01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:19.239 a lot of your like deputy moons, right, like I 2248 01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:21.680 think break like I said, break Tramonts just like a crane. Like, 2249 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:25.039 there's a lot of volcanessman or whatever. It's like a 2250 01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:28.000 dude inside of like a suit that loves action figures. 2251 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.439 Like there's a lot of weird things going on all 2252 01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:34.199 the time. But yeah, so then there's like the Olympos twelve, 2253 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:39.319 which are their version of the Pantheon, and it's just like, 2254 01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:42.399 here's a guy named Apollo Mon who shoots fire out 2255 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:45.000 of his wrist and he's this like big red creature 2256 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:48.800 mech robot thing, and they made a whole game about that, 2257 01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:51.239 and it's surprisingly pretty good. 2258 01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:55.680 There's more fun terms like I don't know how deep 2259 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:58.560 you go here? Can you tell me about the Digi 2260 01:42:58.720 --> 01:42:59.840 Egg of Miracles? 2261 01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:05.920 I can tell you about the digit Egg of sincerity? 2262 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:08.239 This is. 2263 01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:12.399 Please do please do no. 2264 01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:14.720 I actually like all I know about the eggs is 2265 01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:18.119 that they are used to digivolve certain digimon. I don't 2266 01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:21.119 I'm sure there's like a lower reason for it. Okay, 2267 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:23.399 I don't know what that is. Okay, I know I 2268 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:25.920 can go to a vendor in the game and buy them, 2269 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.199 and that's about all I know about them. 2270 01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.760 Is this like what it feels like when I talk 2271 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:33.600 about wine. This is cool as possible. 2272 01:43:35.640 --> 01:43:39.319 I'm gonna show myself getting I could see myself getting 2273 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:42.960 into digimon more than I could see myself getting into 2274 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.199 Like I like wine. You've made me a wine, like 2275 01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:47.199 I enjoy a nice night with a bottle of wine. 2276 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:50.319 But I could if you showed me this shit when 2277 01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:53.399 I was nine, I would never I would have multiple 2278 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:55.479 digitmon tattoos. At this point, I think, well. 2279 01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:57.159 Yeah, I don't think a nine year old get into wine. 2280 01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:57.640 Regardless. 2281 01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:00.199 I'm not trying to just saying what it's I was. 2282 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:03.000 Like, I'm just that Revolver Man did something. Yeah, that 2283 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:06.199 was very cool. Oh I felt it. Wow. 2284 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:10.359 Yes, imagine playing sixty hours of that and then having 2285 01:44:10.439 --> 01:44:11.920 to come out the other side and like, yeah, I'm 2286 01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:16.640 I'm I'm good, Like everything's fine, everything's cool because it's 2287 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:19.359 it's a lot, But I do like him comes out 2288 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:19.760 on Friday. 2289 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:20.199 It's cool. 2290 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:22.880 If you like RPG's, I think it's a good one 2291 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.079 of those. If you've got time for sixty hours of 2292 01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:26.199 a game in your life. 2293 01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:28.119 Who's avenge Kidmon? 2294 01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:32.199 I think Dan, you're more into the idea of Digimon 2295 01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:33.800 than you would be into playing this game. 2296 01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:37.960 Yeah. I play it for ten minutes and be like, 2297 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.640 I think that's been generous. I think it's just the 2298 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:42.199 gun guy really got me going on that. 2299 01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.600 The dialogue is cheesy and very exposition heavy, like no 2300 01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:50.359 one really talks like that. Okay, ever, but when it 2301 01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:52.239 gets to its heart, it has like an emotional core 2302 01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:55.199 to it that I appreciate. Okay, I just like making 2303 01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:56.520 the weirdest guy I can. 2304 01:44:57.159 --> 01:44:58.840 Is it a big thing now, because like Pokemon is 2305 01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:00.880 still a big thing? Is did you mind? Like when 2306 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:02.600 I feel like I was hearing about the most it 2307 01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:04.840 was like the maybe early mid two thousands. Is it 2308 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:06.760 still a thing? Is it a force? 2309 01:45:07.279 --> 01:45:09.520 I think it's it's got it's like core audience that 2310 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:12.520 shows up for games like this. So Digitmon story Cyber 2311 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:14.800 Sleuth was the last Digitmon story game, and that was 2312 01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:18.000 about a decade ago, and that one only got localized 2313 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:20.359 and brought over here because there was such like a 2314 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:22.760 fan outcry for it because it was only released in Japan, 2315 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:25.560 and then they did like a very low budget localization 2316 01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:28.159 and brought it over alongside his DLC. I think it 2317 01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:30.039 was called Hacker's Memory. So this is the first time 2318 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:31.800 like a Digitmon story game has kind of had a 2319 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:34.359 budget behind it and come to the West. So there 2320 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:36.000 are a lot of people very excited for that. 2321 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:38.520 I understand. 2322 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:39.359 Totally cool. 2323 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:42.079 Yeah, but well, what's it. 2324 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:48.119 On PlayStation Xbox PC? I think it's coming to switch. 2325 01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:52.039 Don't quote me on that. Okay, I played it on PlayStation. 2326 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:57.319 It ran fine, nice, right, Dan, I know a lot 2327 01:45:57.359 --> 01:45:58.720 more about digitmand than I did before. 2328 01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:01.560 Then you play Baby Steps. 2329 01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:09.000 I played a little bit idy Foddy. Yeah. I think 2330 01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:12.119 this is one of those rare games that I would 2331 01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:16.159 watch more than I would play because I am not 2332 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:20.000 particularly patient. I appreciate the like, you know, I'm a 2333 01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:23.560 platformer guy. I love platformers, and like, this is not 2334 01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.560 a platformer, but it is very much to just like 2335 01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:27.640 you know, we say Dewey games here where it's like 2336 01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:30.439 all you're doing is doing stuff here, you're just walking, 2337 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:33.399 and it's like, again, I'm not a traditional platformer, but 2338 01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:35.199 it is like how am I going to position myself 2339 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:37.279 on this to get this next platform? And things like that. 2340 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:42.079 And I got maybe an hour into it and I 2341 01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:45.039 slipped on a rock that was in like a running 2342 01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:47.079 thing of water and I kind of fell into a 2343 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:50.199 waterfall and it sent me down. I was like, okay, hah, 2344 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:52.920 it's gonna you know, checkpoint me or whatever and send 2345 01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:55.880 me back up. And I realized like, oh no, no, 2346 01:46:56.079 --> 01:46:58.560 it's it just keeps going. I need to like go 2347 01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:00.399 all the way back up there. And I think I 2348 01:47:00.439 --> 01:47:03.239 did a whole loop around a mountain before I realized that, 2349 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:05.560 and I was like, oh, okay, well, I'm never playing 2350 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:07.239 this again. I'm not I already did that. I'm not 2351 01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:09.600 going all the way up there again. And then I realized, 2352 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:13.039 like that is like the appeal. Like I've been watching Grub, 2353 01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:15.600 and Grub is someone who is like, look, he's got kids. 2354 01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:17.640 He is a patient man in a way I am 2355 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:20.680 at And he got to this part that's called the 2356 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:23.319 Man Breaker, and it's this mountain near the end of 2357 01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:27.640 the game, and it's just this insane fucking mountain that 2358 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:31.239 it's so many specific little footholds you have to go up, 2359 01:47:31.239 --> 01:47:33.319 which the way you control this is like it's left 2360 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:35.760 trigger and right trigger, like left your left and right legs, 2361 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.239 and then you like lean with the analog stick to walk. 2362 01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:41.880 So it's a very novel You're not just holding up 2363 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:44.000 and pressing aight a step or anything like that. It's 2364 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:49.279 very very coop, very getting over it. And I've watched 2365 01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:51.920 Grub now several of these mornings, like before the workday 2366 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:54.239 like officially starts hell Stream into a giant bomb, and 2367 01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:56.319 I've just been watching it like I can't look away, 2368 01:47:56.520 --> 01:47:58.119 you know, like I'll pull it up on my phone 2369 01:47:58.119 --> 01:47:59.720 while I'm eating breakfast, and I'm just like, it's just 2370 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.640 like gripping, because like, you know, literally one wrong step 2371 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:05.960 and he can just fall off a mountain and have 2372 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:11.119 to start over. And I deeply respect both the game 2373 01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:14.159 for that type of commitment to the bit, and also 2374 01:48:14.279 --> 01:48:17.319 anyone who plays it and is willing to like when 2375 01:48:17.359 --> 01:48:19.319 they fall down that far, be like all right, back 2376 01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:22.479 at it. You know, I'm not strong enough to like 2377 01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:24.199 go back and be like, all right, I'm just spend 2378 01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:26.199 another hour climbing this mountain to get back to our 2379 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:29.520 I was and maybe fall down again with no checkpoints whatsoever. 2380 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:34.960 So it's a game I deeply respect and do not 2381 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:37.119 want to play basically. 2382 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:39.760 Fair enough, I'm right there with you. I don't even 2383 01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:44.000 want to watch it. I'm sure Jeff Grub's dedicated and 2384 01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:46.319 very skilled at it, but I don't. 2385 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.359 He's both those things. Yeah, you get to really this 2386 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:50.880 guy gets a real sweaty ass and people live. I 2387 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:52.680 saw the chat say that he's kicked up. 2388 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:56.880 Oh yeah, Jeff Grubb or the character. 2389 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.560 I think they've been referring to the character. He wears 2390 01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:02.439 a onesie and he gets the real sweaty ass. 2391 01:49:03.159 --> 01:49:04.079 I thought you're talking about it. 2392 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.680 Grub Yeah, I don't know rub butt some grubbs butt 2393 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:11.720 really now. But yeah, Nate the character and baby steps 2394 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:14.920 caked up as they say. But no, it seems like 2395 01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:17.640 a great game for what it's doing. I don't want 2396 01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:18.000 to play it. 2397 01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:22.800 Yeah, that whole subgenre is not up my alley. 2398 01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:25.520 No, all the like going up or even the old 2399 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:28.319 Ben and fotty stuff and everything like, yeah, I love 2400 01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:31.079 the idea, just cannot do it. I don't even like 2401 01:49:31.119 --> 01:49:34.520 the idea. I respect the idea. 2402 01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:37.199 I beat getting over it, and I was like, okay, cool, 2403 01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.079 I never have to play one of these games ever again. 2404 01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:41.960 Like I had my sense of accomplishment, have fun. 2405 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.840 Yeah that that that's oh man, I'm I'm gonna piss 2406 01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:49.279 people off with this one. With that kind of game, 2407 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:51.920 I feel like once you grasp it, Dan, I feel 2408 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:53.279 like you have a sane approach to it. Once you 2409 01:49:53.319 --> 01:49:54.720 get it, you're like, okay, I don't this is not 2410 01:49:54.720 --> 01:50:00.279 where I want to find sand. Yeah. I I think 2411 01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:02.880 I think video games are a great use of time. 2412 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:05.039 I think I think that they can provide a lot 2413 01:50:05.079 --> 01:50:08.399 of entertainment. They can they can be up doingies for growth. 2414 01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:10.680 I also don't think they need to justify themselves. I 2415 01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:12.760 don't need like to look at like my time with games, 2416 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:16.840 those foightying games, I actually question why the fuck? There's 2417 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:19.000 so many better things you could be doing than that, 2418 01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:24.159 and I don't I'm please please call me out if 2419 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:25.239 that's a shitty take. 2420 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:27.880 No, I think there's a right amount of it, like 2421 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.079 for me, And again it's personal preference, like Grub seems 2422 01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:30.600 to be loving it. 2423 01:50:31.720 --> 01:50:33.720 If you're enjoying it, that's all that matters. Like I 2424 01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:35.800 who am I to say like you're not, you shouldn't 2425 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:38.000 enjoy that. If you're enjoying something, then obviously that's worth 2426 01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:38.359 the time. 2427 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:40.680 But I mean compared to something like Hades two, where 2428 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:42.439 it's like what are you doing in Hades two or 2429 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:45.199 any rogue light but doing the same thing over and 2430 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:47.640 over and trying to get better at it? And yeah sure. 2431 01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:50.000 The difference though to me is that something like a 2432 01:50:50.039 --> 01:50:53.359 Hades too is like the rogue light element where it's like, Okay, 2433 01:50:53.399 --> 01:50:56.640 I am getting actual tangible things that are helping me 2434 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:59.960 progress here, Like this acts, I've upgraded a little more 2435 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:01.680 to get a little further. I've made it so there's 2436 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:04.399 some healing points along the way, you know, like whereas 2437 01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:08.119 Baby Steps is literally just like hey, fucking get back 2438 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:10.520 up there. You know, it's a I think that would 2439 01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:12.680 be disheartening to me, where it's like Haites, even if 2440 01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:14.840 I die, it's the last boss, I feel like progress 2441 01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:15.279 was made. 2442 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:20.840 And you could argue that you're making like intangible progress 2443 01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:22.960 in baby Steps in the sense that you are learning 2444 01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:25.279 more like in a Oh, then in Early Dark Souls 2445 01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:27.279 or something where it's like you're not actually progressing because 2446 01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:32.479 you didn't upgrade anything, but you're still getting knowledge, like yeah, yeah, yeah, 2447 01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:33.960 and out of wilds I get, but I'm still getting 2448 01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:36.319 a reward from exploring it. Where it's like there's a 2449 01:51:36.680 --> 01:51:41.960 there's a like asceticism or I don't know if that's 2450 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:48.760 the word, but like a spartan vibe to the the 2451 01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.399 foudy and thing where it's like, but this is just 2452 01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:52.479 almost masochistic. 2453 01:51:52.720 --> 01:51:55.439 So a perfect example of that is the Man Breaker. 2454 01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:58.239 That mountain they very much show you when you go 2455 01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:01.880 up there, there is a winding staircase that goes all 2456 01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:04.359 the way to the top, and it's not like necessarily easy. 2457 01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:05.920 You still got to kind of wrestle with the goofy 2458 01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:08.079 controls to get up to the top, but like it 2459 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:10.600 is probably again I have not gotten that bar, but 2460 01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:13.840 it seems like that's the easy route, and it seems 2461 01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:16.319 to be put there specifically to be like it seems 2462 01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:18.159 like the whole metaphor is a game. But oh, one 2463 01:52:18.199 --> 01:52:20.079 foot in the other in front of the other, accomplished 2464 01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:22.720 hard things and stuff, and it's like, Okay, the stairs 2465 01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:25.880 are the easy way, and I've seen Grub look at 2466 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:28.039 that and be like I will not fucking touch that. 2467 01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:29.960 I will not go up that, Like it is there 2468 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:32.800 to taunt you, and like if you start going up there, 2469 01:52:32.840 --> 01:52:34.560 it seems like a character talks to you and it's like, 2470 01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:36.520 oh yeah, yeah, you're taking the easy way, like oh yeah, 2471 01:52:36.560 --> 01:52:38.640 that's the man breaker, that's the one that everyone struggles with, 2472 01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:41.800 you know. Like so it it's like and it's later 2473 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:43.680 in the game, so at that point you've already overcome 2474 01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:46.439 so many obstacles and everything that it's like, I'm not 2475 01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:48.359 going to take the easy way now. So like I'm 2476 01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:50.800 sure there's a deeper metaphor there and everything that like 2477 01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:53.520 it's kind of clever, but it still does not seem 2478 01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:55.079 fun to play. Oh sure, there's a lot of. 2479 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:57.239 People love that that kind of game, So like, I 2480 01:52:57.560 --> 01:53:00.760 get that there's I'm not the audience, but I also 2481 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:03.840 sometimes I'm like, oh man, maybe it's because it in 2482 01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:07.119 Haites that there's like such immediate quick feedback loop and 2483 01:53:07.279 --> 01:53:09.840 run to run or something like that. So yeah, totally 2484 01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:11.000 all right, I get it. 2485 01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:15.640 It's a cool thing. I'm very glad it exists. Yeah, 2486 01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:17.359 I think it's doing the thing it's set out to 2487 01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:19.680 do perfectly right. 2488 01:53:20.279 --> 01:53:25.880 Uh, do you guys want to talk about emails the concept? 2489 01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:27.800 Yea, yeah, let's do it. 2490 01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:31.279 Okay, as usual, you can ride into firescape cast at 2491 01:53:31.279 --> 01:53:35.560 gmail dot com. That is, Fireescape cast at gmail dot com. 2492 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:40.399 Questions that you want to be read on the show, Dan, 2493 01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:44.119 do you want to read this? First one? From Darien? 2494 01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:49.319 Sure? I remember back in the odds there were articles 2495 01:53:49.359 --> 01:53:52.119 and stuff going around about how boss fights were bad 2496 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:55.359 and always bad, and that no game should have boss fights. 2497 01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:58.039 Now they're a cornerstone of some of the most loved 2498 01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:00.720 franchises in the world. Can you think of any similar 2499 01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:03.720 opinions that didn't really hold up? Cheers Daring from Toronto. 2500 01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:08.119 First off, that is a dumb, fucking opinion. Boss fights 2501 01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:11.560 have been amazing since the first video games I've ever played, 2502 01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:14.600 and like like you mentioned here nowadays, yeah, between silk 2503 01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:16.960 song from games and everything like boss fights, that that 2504 01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:22.359 is a fucking cornerstone of this is just boss fights. Yeah, 2505 01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.039 And I feel like that's the thing that, like, you know, 2506 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:26.239 when you think of people who don't even play video games, 2507 01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:28.880 that they associate with video games, you know, it's like, uh, 2508 01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:31.319 one ups and extra lives and stuff are like you know, 2509 01:54:32.279 --> 01:54:34.159 the Rock when he came back to wrestling, he was like, Oh, 2510 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:36.199 the Final Boss was this whole thing, and it's just 2511 01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:39.199 like that, that is a that nomenclature and everything is 2512 01:54:39.359 --> 01:54:42.439 part of video games for a reason because they're fucking fun, 2513 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:45.600 don't Yeah, that's a stud I don't even remember that 2514 01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:47.680 discourse at all, the early odds that would have been 2515 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:50.279 pre social media. I don't even know e Bomb's world forums. 2516 01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:51.159 I don't know where people. 2517 01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:54.800 All hell yeah banana phone or hello fuck. It was 2518 01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:56.880 one of my favorite early videos. Do you know what 2519 01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:57.560 I'm talking about? 2520 01:54:57.840 --> 01:54:59.800 No, but it sounds like something that's just a. 2521 01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:01.560 Guy I hung over. I think he was hungover. He 2522 01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:03.640 woke up and his phones ring in somewhere in a 2523 01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:06.880 like really messy dorm room and he keeps picking up 2524 01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:09.600 random item and saying hello. Fuck when he realized was 2525 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:10.640 on the phone, and he did like. 2526 01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:13.319 Oh, it's your whole bit with the barbecue ribs, and yeah, 2527 01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:14.479 I've seen the whole that up. 2528 01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:17.920 Yeah, but this was like he was pissed off that 2529 01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:19.640 it wasn't a phone every time he picked up a 2530 01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:23.199 shoe or a dildo or I don't know. Yeah, this 2531 01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:26.000 just was self serving because I think I talked about 2532 01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:30.239 this recently, I since I first played a Banjo Kazui 2533 01:55:30.279 --> 01:55:33.239 and Tooey. This isn't really like a discourse that I 2534 01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:35.920 think was a bad opinion. This is more something I have. 2535 01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:40.239 It takes a big man to admit that you know, 2536 01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:44.000 he was mistaken. It takes a really brave person to like, 2537 01:55:44.199 --> 01:55:47.760 you know, change course on something. So I guess, you know, 2538 01:55:48.359 --> 01:55:49.800 I guess I'll leave it up to you guys if 2539 01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:51.760 you want. If you think I'm like a cool, like 2540 01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:55.000 really cool person for saying this. But I used to 2541 01:55:55.119 --> 01:55:58.720 think Banjo Touey was better than Kazui. I was way 2542 01:55:58.760 --> 01:56:02.600 fucking off. I was very off. I've replayed about actively 2543 01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:05.600 the last five years, and I was confident and my 2544 01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:10.680 argument was that Banjo Tui. I liked the fact that 2545 01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:13.800 the Metroidvania aspects, actually, you know, it dictated that you 2546 01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:15.960 had to go back to worlds after you had gathered 2547 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:19.399 an ability or an upgrade from this world. I went back, 2548 01:56:19.439 --> 01:56:21.880 and Banjo Toue is just like, objectively a terrible game 2549 01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:25.039 in some respects, Yeah. 2550 01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:28.560 It's laborious. I did not play those games until like 2551 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.239 the pandemic and I streamed him and I one hundred 2552 01:56:31.239 --> 01:56:33.159 percent of Banjo Kazuei, and I was like, this is 2553 01:56:33.159 --> 01:56:35.279 fucking great. I really missed out back then. And then 2554 01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:37.680 I started toohey with all the enthusiasm of the world, 2555 01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:40.239 and very quickly I was like, oh no, they they 2556 01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:43.119 their eyes are bigger than their stomach. You know, they 2557 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:43.800 tried too much. 2558 01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:46.279 Heart was in the right place, because it's like, oh, well, okay, well, 2559 01:56:46.439 --> 01:56:50.159 if you put this hungry, crying, throwing a tantrum kid 2560 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:54.039 in a mind cart in the theme park, he's going 2561 01:56:54.119 --> 01:56:56.039 to go off into this tunnel and you're like, all right, 2562 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.800 where do you go? You find out that he it's 2563 01:56:58.840 --> 01:57:01.560 like the three worlds later you find them. But in 2564 01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:03.439 order to go back and complete the quest, you need 2565 01:57:03.479 --> 01:57:05.840 to go back and there's no fast travel, there's there 2566 01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:09.079 there's really annoying things to move around the world. I 2567 01:57:09.079 --> 01:57:11.720 I replayed those recently. That was back when I was 2568 01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:15.199 still streaming on my own individual channel and I played 2569 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:17.319 Twoey and I kept telling people every episode I started, 2570 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:19.880 like this game is this sucks and not having fun. 2571 01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:23.680 The game kind of shows a tan though, because that 2572 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:27.359 game's opening moves at a glacial pace like it is. 2573 01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:30.479 It is a long intro for that game, and then 2574 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:31.880 by the time you get into it, you're like, yeah, 2575 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:33.479 now we're in it. Now we're gonna we're gonna we're 2576 01:57:33.479 --> 01:57:35.479 gonna be doing banjo Kazooi things, We're gonna be cooking. 2577 01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:37.800 And then you're like, oh no. The whole game kind 2578 01:57:37.800 --> 01:57:41.960 of moves like this, Okay, they're trying to do too 2579 01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:45.520 much here and it's not exactly where it needs to be. 2580 01:57:46.560 --> 01:57:48.720 But you play Banjo kazoe and that's just SKA the 2581 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:53.279 video game, Like it's just there's explain all right. When 2582 01:57:53.319 --> 01:57:54.680 you think of Ska, right, you think of a lot 2583 01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:58.520 of horns, you think of a lot of a beat music. 2584 01:57:58.680 --> 01:58:01.319 You play banjo Kazooi and it feels like your brain 2585 01:58:01.399 --> 01:58:03.600 is on fire. It feels like there's just so much 2586 01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:06.119 happening all the time. You're doing backflips, you're you're running 2587 01:58:06.119 --> 01:58:08.560 around or whatever. The music is very sky like. It's 2588 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:09.399 it's a lot of like. 2589 01:58:10.239 --> 01:58:12.000 You know, the Grant Kirk Hope was just listening at 2590 01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:12.640 Scott when he. 2591 01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:14.279 Was just he was just yeah, it's like, so you 2592 01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:16.159 put Real big Fish in that soundtrack, and it's like, yeah, 2593 01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:17.119 this is Banjo Kazui. 2594 01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:17.560 I got this. 2595 01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:18.640 I know what. I know what's up? 2596 01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:20.239 Okay, I see it. 2597 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:22.159 Next time you play Banjo Kazu, we put some ska 2598 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:23.720 on and you'll you'll know what I'm talking about. 2599 01:58:23.720 --> 01:58:26.119 I don't like you say that like it's that simple. 2600 01:58:27.359 --> 01:58:29.359 It really is like put skat. 2601 01:58:29.319 --> 01:58:32.399 On Scott on Spotify, just like, yeah, just ska. 2602 01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:35.840 Man is real big Fish to go to? No. 2603 01:58:36.039 --> 01:58:38.920 It was my math teacher's sons band in ninth grade. 2604 01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:43.359 Apparently they blew up a bit for Syracuse standards and. 2605 01:58:43.399 --> 01:58:45.119 I went to a gold Finger. I went to a 2606 01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.600 gold Finger and Real big Fish concert once. And I've 2607 01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:53.119 been to a Warp tour. 2608 01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:54.319 Just like Banjo KAZUOI exactly, it's like living the game 2609 01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:59.479 what other what other video game opinions are bad that 2610 01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:02.840 we like, Yeah, discourse. 2611 01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:04.760 The thing is there is a billion that are just 2612 01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:07.159 like one dumb ass on Twitter or Blue Sky. I 2613 01:59:07.560 --> 01:59:12.960 want I want something like agreed upon. Yeah, oh that's interesting. 2614 01:59:13.039 --> 01:59:16.920 There's so many stupid things that came and went like do. 2615 01:59:17.079 --> 01:59:22.920 One or or pick one person and then take an 2616 01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:26.319 opinion of theirs. Ben Hanson, what's an opinion? Ben Hanson's 2617 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:28.279 had that was just stupid? 2618 01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:31.319 Tank Tank Tank was the best game of the WU launch. 2619 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:35.239 That's so stupid, which again not a great launch, but 2620 01:59:35.359 --> 01:59:38.319 there was new Super Mario Brothers you which you know, 2621 01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:40.640 it's one of those new Super Mario Brothers games. It's 2622 01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:43.039 it's an objectively good game, not one of the best 2623 01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:45.520 Mario games by any means, but like better than Tank 2624 01:59:45.560 --> 01:59:48.800 Tank Tank. Ben Hansson has a lot of weird takes 2625 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:49.359 over the years. 2626 01:59:49.399 --> 01:59:52.359 Yeah, I don't want to actually fan those flames. Jesse, 2627 01:59:52.760 --> 01:59:56.920 what is your We've asked this, people have asked us 2628 01:59:56.960 --> 01:59:59.239 this before. What's your like, what's a what's a what's 2629 01:59:59.239 --> 02:00:01.199 a video game? Take the It would piss us off 2630 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.439 that you have and you believe Yeah, no. 2631 02:00:10.279 --> 02:00:13.000 One that I hold deer currently. I don't know if 2632 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:14.279 this would piss you too off. But like, I think 2633 02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:16.960 Death Riding two is actually a very bad video game, 2634 02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:20.359 ently like way worse than the first one in almost 2635 02:00:20.359 --> 02:00:23.199 every I think it's a I think it's a mediocre game. 2636 02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:25.439 Well, I guess you and I talked a little bit 2637 02:00:26.119 --> 02:00:27.920 pre released about this, and I can tell you weren't 2638 02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:29.159 quite as hot on it as me. 2639 02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:32.560 No, I mean open world game with really cool tools. 2640 02:00:33.119 --> 02:00:35.199 Yeah, it's it feels like they learned all the wrong 2641 02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:37.800 lessons from the director's cut and then made a sequel 2642 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:40.840 and it was like where's the friction? Where's like where's 2643 02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:44.279 that like that you you want to just climb that mountain? 2644 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:46.960 You want it to be this like perilous journey, and 2645 02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:48.560 there's like, now here's the truck. We give you like 2646 02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:50.199 ten hours in like you just that truck can get 2647 02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:50.960 you anywhere you want. 2648 02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:54.159 Sounds like steps in a lot of ways. 2649 02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:55.960 I do want baby steps, but I also want baby 2650 02:00:55.960 --> 02:00:56.520 steps with all. 2651 02:00:56.439 --> 02:00:57.399 The Kajima bullshit. 2652 02:00:58.159 --> 02:00:59.279 That's fair, understand. 2653 02:00:59.319 --> 02:01:02.079 I want I want you're talking to you're talking to 2654 02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:04.359 the two who argued for Death Raining one, but uh, 2655 02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:06.840 somebody we know thought it wasn't eligible. 2656 02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:08.520 In twenty twenty three, or whatever. 2657 02:01:08.279 --> 02:01:11.159 It was because director is not on the podcast was 2658 02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:14.199 eligible apparently, you know what I think. 2659 02:01:14.239 --> 02:01:18.560 I think Silk Songs not that great. Wonder what the 2660 02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:20.359 consensus is going to be by the end of the year. 2661 02:01:20.399 --> 02:01:22.640 I think Silk Songs fucking blown up. But I think 2662 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:24.600 Team Cherry is not nearly as smart as we all 2663 02:01:24.640 --> 02:01:26.720 think they are. I think Team Cherry is actually not 2664 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:30.279 that great at developing video games. Jesse, you're going all out, Yeah, 2665 02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:37.119 so silk so legitimately the Silk Song defender. No, No, 2666 02:01:37.239 --> 02:01:39.279 I like Marry like Silk Song quite a bit. I 2667 02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:40.399 think Silk Song's. 2668 02:01:40.119 --> 02:01:40.760 Not that great. 2669 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:44.800 Oh god, Jesse's going to be interesting. No, no, no, no, 2670 02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:46.960 I think I I literally said my piece in the 2671 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:48.800 last episode. I was like, I think Silk Song is 2672 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:51.520 incredible at certain moments, but I think those moments the 2673 02:01:51.600 --> 02:01:54.800 payoff makes you forgive a lot of bad game design 2674 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:57.239 leading up to it, and then we kind of think, oh, 2675 02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:01.600 Team Cherry, it was intentional all along, these indie developers 2676 02:02:01.640 --> 02:02:06.479 toiling away obscure. No, I'm just I'm We're getting ahead 2677 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:11.760 and I don't know the blue sky. Yes, no, no, 2678 02:02:11.880 --> 02:02:13.840 I think Folk Song is a good game. 2679 02:02:16.800 --> 02:02:20.399 I do have another maybe hot video game do it. 2680 02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:23.119 I think the boss fights are the worst parts of 2681 02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:26.319 Soul's Lakes, Like, I inherently think they're the least interesting 2682 02:02:26.359 --> 02:02:29.439 part of that entire franchise structurally. 2683 02:02:29.439 --> 02:02:30.920 I think I might agree with you because I think 2684 02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:33.520 the games are at their most brilliant in between and 2685 02:02:33.560 --> 02:02:36.520 also when you're like connecting the world via the checkpoints 2686 02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:38.319 and whatnot. Not that that's what you're saying, but that's 2687 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:39.359 kind of where I'm coming from. 2688 02:02:39.479 --> 02:02:41.479 No, that's that's also where I'm coming from. I think 2689 02:02:41.479 --> 02:02:43.279 the world design is like way more interesting, and I'd 2690 02:02:43.359 --> 02:02:45.479 rather run around that world than get stuck on a 2691 02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:47.720 boss for five hours and then be like, I don't 2692 02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:49.840 get to enjoy the interesting parts of this game anymore. Now, 2693 02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:52.239 I just have to do like a pattern recognition check. 2694 02:02:52.600 --> 02:02:55.279 Jesse. I think I'm with you because I think about 2695 02:02:55.279 --> 02:02:58.000 this slight. Here's maybe my hot take. I think maybe 2696 02:02:58.039 --> 02:03:02.720 the whole from format a little overrated. I think it's 2697 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:06.159 maybe not like everyone looks at it as like, oh, 2698 02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:09.399 this is the new trailblazer for a game genre here 2699 02:03:09.920 --> 02:03:12.720 outside of elden Ring, which I do. I will give 2700 02:03:12.760 --> 02:03:14.239 elden Ring all the credit in the world. I think 2701 02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:16.319 that's one of the best games of all time. But again, 2702 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:19.760 the beauty of elden Ring is in the discovery and 2703 02:03:19.880 --> 02:03:22.720 the exploration and running around that world and the moments 2704 02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:25.720 in between the parts I really don't love. It's like, Okay, 2705 02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:28.079 I'm fighting the Red Giant, I'm just dying a million times, 2706 02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:31.960 and it's like every boss fight is just me dying 2707 02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:34.039 a million times. And it's not even like satisfying in 2708 02:03:34.079 --> 02:03:36.600 a silk Song way. All the stuff I love about 2709 02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:39.520 elden Ring is just oh, I got warped across the 2710 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:41.600 map and holy shit, the map is so huge, and 2711 02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:45.199 like just the freedom part of it, and that's why 2712 02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:48.039 it's like Bloodborne, Dark Souls and stuff like that. I 2713 02:03:48.079 --> 02:03:50.840 respect those games, but I don't really like playing them. 2714 02:03:51.560 --> 02:03:55.760 Yeah. No, I totally agree with that. You lost me 2715 02:03:55.800 --> 02:03:59.159 because I love a lot. Bloodborn is one of my 2716 02:03:59.159 --> 02:04:03.119 favorite games of all time, But like, yeah, I think, 2717 02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:05.760 I think a lot of what they're doing gets kind 2718 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:07.720 of wrung out by the time they do it for 2719 02:04:07.760 --> 02:04:10.439 the fifth time. Now now I'm mapped up. 2720 02:04:10.439 --> 02:04:12.560 What else do I fucking want to? What else do 2721 02:04:12.600 --> 02:04:15.399 I hate video games? 2722 02:04:15.439 --> 02:04:18.239 It's something I disliked that a lot of people liked. 2723 02:04:19.039 --> 02:04:20.960 I mean, I've always said that about Assassin's Creed, but 2724 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:22.680 I don't think that's a hot take anymore because I 2725 02:04:22.720 --> 02:04:24.159 think at this point so many people are tired of 2726 02:04:25.399 --> 02:04:26.199 Assassin's Creeds. 2727 02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:28.359 Is the first I think my hot take is I'm 2728 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:31.239 still in love with Assassin's Creed. Like I still like 2729 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:33.760 that series. Okay, I didn't have to play it for 2730 02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:36.920 guides granted, but like, I still I. 2731 02:04:36.880 --> 02:04:39.239 Still like Shadows, Like even despite all of that, Like 2732 02:04:39.279 --> 02:04:42.119 I think, oh, I think that game is a hell 2733 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:44.880 of a game. It's my one problem with Shadows, not 2734 02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:46.279 to go in too much of a tangent, is there's 2735 02:04:46.279 --> 02:04:48.880 too much foliage. Like when you're running through trees for 2736 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:50.399 like ten minutes, you can't see anything. 2737 02:04:51.239 --> 02:04:52.399 Maybe we didn't need this. 2738 02:04:52.640 --> 02:04:56.319 It looks great, but like this is kind of just bad. 2739 02:04:56.159 --> 02:04:58.760 Like that's that's the world apart. But it doesn't make 2740 02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:00.920 for good gameplay when you're trying, Like you can escape 2741 02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:03.439 into the woods initially, which is fun, but then after 2742 02:05:03.479 --> 02:05:06.680 that it's like, oh, they're actually like separating the individual 2743 02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:11.760 settlements with just dense trees, which makes sense for the setting, 2744 02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:14.920 but also they've been toying with the setting for since 2745 02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:15.560 ac one. 2746 02:05:16.079 --> 02:05:18.439 Yeah, I don't know if this is more of a 2747 02:05:18.479 --> 02:05:21.039 hot take or an old man take or both, but 2748 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:23.640 it's the kids today, and I think when I start 2749 02:05:23.680 --> 02:05:26.039 that way, it probably goes in the kids old man mode. 2750 02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:30.079 When you think about them aging and thinking about games. 2751 02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:32.800 They are playing Roadblocks, they are playing Fortnite, they were 2752 02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:37.359 playing these kind of platform based, online, ever changing experiences. 2753 02:05:38.039 --> 02:05:40.000 They are not going to be able to kind of 2754 02:05:40.039 --> 02:05:43.560 have that appreciation, appreciation and revisit these games of their 2755 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:46.880 youth in the way that like, look, I can load 2756 02:05:46.920 --> 02:05:49.000 up Mario. I loaded up Mario three two days ago 2757 02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:51.439 and played a good amount of that and it's still great. 2758 02:05:52.039 --> 02:05:55.439 I wonder what that's going to do to kids growing 2759 02:05:55.479 --> 02:05:59.119 up loving games now that like that retro kind of 2760 02:05:59.159 --> 02:06:01.840 nostalgia type thing isn't like you'll get the occasional like oh, 2761 02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:04.479 Fortnite OG mode or World of Warcraft Classic or whatever, 2762 02:06:04.520 --> 02:06:06.319 but like you're not going to be able to just 2763 02:06:06.359 --> 02:06:11.399 like emulate or collect or revisit their youth the way 2764 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:13.199 they are now. And I think they're kind of getting 2765 02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:14.720 robbed of that, you know. 2766 02:06:14.840 --> 02:06:16.199 And that's the thing where it's like it's one of 2767 02:06:16.239 --> 02:06:18.760 those things where they grew up so differently than us 2768 02:06:18.800 --> 02:06:22.159 than I don't think it will even compute with them 2769 02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:24.119 how special it was for us to be able to 2770 02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:27.359 do that. For them, No, there will be some sort 2771 02:06:27.399 --> 02:06:29.239 of nostalgia for them in a way that we don't 2772 02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:30.279 even understand yet. 2773 02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:32.399 Like they will talk about it, and they will like 2774 02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:34.880 they will sit around in their dorm rooms and be like, oh, 2775 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:37.199 remember you know Roeblogs when we were in like third grade, 2776 02:06:37.239 --> 02:06:38.000 when this would happened. 2777 02:06:38.439 --> 02:06:39.600 That's like currently happening. 2778 02:06:40.760 --> 02:06:43.399 It's the reason fortnite OG exists, right, is like you'd 2779 02:06:43.399 --> 02:06:46.199 all these people being like, oh, remember Fortnite Season three, 2780 02:06:46.319 --> 02:06:48.600 Like that's back when it was peak, and like they're 2781 02:06:48.640 --> 02:06:51.199 talking about it and it's like a it's a bygone 2782 02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:53.600 era because you can't play that version of that game anymore. 2783 02:06:53.600 --> 02:06:55.840 And then Fortnite OG comes back and they're like sure, oh, 2784 02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:57.920 but it's like not really what I remember it to be. 2785 02:06:58.079 --> 02:07:00.000 And it's like they're going through all the same mode 2786 02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:02.399 that you do when you like revisit something that you 2787 02:07:02.439 --> 02:07:06.680 loved from the past, and it's like, yeah, you're you're 2788 02:07:06.720 --> 02:07:08.880 looking back with like rose colored glasses. You love the 2789 02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:11.039 experience the memory of it, but then you play the 2790 02:07:11.039 --> 02:07:13.159 game and you're like, oh, it's actually like not that great. 2791 02:07:13.239 --> 02:07:14.520 It's like it was never about that. 2792 02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:17.439 Yeah, And there's an aspect of like I do wonder 2793 02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:19.079 how they're going to preserve it in a way that 2794 02:07:19.399 --> 02:07:21.560 someone might be able to go back play their favorite 2795 02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:25.960 Roadblocks experience in fifteen years. I don't know how long 2796 02:07:26.000 --> 02:07:28.600 it takes for nostalgia to kick in, or I don't 2797 02:07:28.600 --> 02:07:30.399 know how long it takes for an experience to become 2798 02:07:30.439 --> 02:07:32.920 more nostalgia than an actual, like recent memory. 2799 02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:36.399 But I feel like when for like, look, you're not 2800 02:07:36.399 --> 02:07:38.439 going to recreate the like you know, pulling a CRT 2801 02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:40.560 in an Xbox and getting sixteen friends in a room 2802 02:07:40.560 --> 02:07:42.920 and playing Blood Gold, Capture of the Flag, Halo or whatever. 2803 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:43.760 Right, and that's amazing. 2804 02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:46.319 They can make the master Chief collection and you can 2805 02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:49.640 play that game online everything. You can't recreate those actual 2806 02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:51.720 childhood memories. But like, yeah, I don't even think you 2807 02:07:51.760 --> 02:07:54.760 can do that with a Roadblock or something, you know, 2808 02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:58.680 like just a weird obscure, just you know, user created 2809 02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:01.119 maps and stuff like that. I just I don't know 2810 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:02.159 if that's a lost. 2811 02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:09.039 Private servers baby, that'd be fun though, actually doing a 2812 02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:13.199 system link for Halo two at some point like physically 2813 02:08:13.239 --> 02:08:14.039 setting one up again. 2814 02:08:14.079 --> 02:08:18.560 Oh sure, it was amazing in our dorms, Like it 2815 02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:21.520 was before the three sixty came out. It was Halo one. 2816 02:08:22.039 --> 02:08:25.159 You could fucking plug the Ethernet accord or whatever it 2817 02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:27.600 was from the Xbox into your dorm room wall. 2818 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.439 Yeah, that the local area network. It. 2819 02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.880 Yes, it wasn't just the dorm I lived in. It 2820 02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:36.680 was all five dorms on the hill and got Ku 2821 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:39.399 and then even ones further away, and all of it 2822 02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:41.439 was on the same network. So that was for that 2823 02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:43.600 was before Xbox Live. That was for any of that. 2824 02:08:43.920 --> 02:08:46.199 And you could just play Halo one with anyone in 2825 02:08:46.239 --> 02:08:48.319 any dorm in the city, and like that was just 2826 02:08:48.359 --> 02:08:51.079 such an interesting like this is before way before iPhones 2827 02:08:51.119 --> 02:08:52.920 and stuff like that. So you're just calling friends up 2828 02:08:52.960 --> 02:08:54.239 being like, oh yeah, so we're gonna get on this 2829 02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:57.159 local area network thing, and that was that was awesome. 2830 02:08:57.159 --> 02:08:59.680 There's there's no way to recreate that. Why why would you, 2831 02:08:59.680 --> 02:08:59.920 you know. 2832 02:09:00.119 --> 02:09:07.279 Did you ever develop like a rivalry with a specific dorm. 2833 02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:09.880 Or it was more just like dorms had their certain reputations. Oh, 2834 02:09:09.960 --> 02:09:12.600 Naysmith is the rich kid. Dorms I lived in Hashingar, 2835 02:09:12.680 --> 02:09:16.720 which is like the weird art kid dorm. Yeah, so 2836 02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:18.279 like this is like kind of the future frack. 2837 02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:21.039 I've always called you when you weren't, you know, behind 2838 02:09:21.039 --> 02:09:21.319 your back. 2839 02:09:21.399 --> 02:09:23.800 I did. I kind of hated it, just a bunch 2840 02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:26.279 of very preticulous, Like every time I walked into the 2841 02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:29.039 dorm past five pm there were like three guys with 2842 02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:31.439 shaggy hair, like playing acoustic guitars. 2843 02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:35.680 And is the guy leans in your doorways like local 2844 02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:40.199 Area Network purports to be about connection, but really it's 2845 02:09:40.279 --> 02:09:42.600 just all isolation and then he goes to bed. 2846 02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:45.680 That's not even an exaggeration. 2847 02:09:46.479 --> 02:09:48.760 In drug rugs, playing hacky sack like just. 2848 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:53.560 Yes, yes, yeah, but yeah, team Cherry needs design lessons, 2849 02:09:53.600 --> 02:09:56.079 all right, next to Emil, all right, this is kind 2850 02:09:56.079 --> 02:09:57.920 of a rapid fire. It's a few questions in one 2851 02:09:58.159 --> 02:10:03.600 from Jeff all right, sup FBC, long time, first time here. 2852 02:10:03.880 --> 02:10:05.840 Love the show, love the opinions, and I pretty much 2853 02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:08.239 buy video games based on what's talked about on the 2854 02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:11.520 podcast because of different facets, your own personalities and likes 2855 02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:14.520 dislikes that match mine. You make it too easy anyway. 2856 02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:18.760 Some questions subtitles, I always have them on video games, movies, 2857 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:23.159 TV shows, sports don't give a fuck they get turned off. Opinions. 2858 02:10:25.039 --> 02:10:28.399 Video games, yes, uh, because that can really help because, 2859 02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:30.560 like you know, you're not necessarily like hearing everything they 2860 02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:32.520 say as you drive from point to point, and it's 2861 02:10:32.560 --> 02:10:35.199 good to see that. Movies, I don't. I don't do 2862 02:10:35.239 --> 02:10:38.560 it with movies video games. It's a special case because, 2863 02:10:38.560 --> 02:10:40.880 like I'm streaming them so often with work and everything 2864 02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:42.680 that like it's better for the viewer to have the 2865 02:10:42.720 --> 02:10:45.399 subtitles on. So I do default to turn those on. 2866 02:10:45.479 --> 02:10:47.319 But I'll never do it for movie, never do it 2867 02:10:47.319 --> 02:10:51.239 for TV show unless it's a thing with heavy accents. Yeah, 2868 02:10:51.279 --> 02:10:51.479 I was. 2869 02:10:51.479 --> 02:10:56.560 Gonna say, I've come around and watching subtitles for like 2870 02:10:56.680 --> 02:11:00.439 long form TV because you can miss so things so 2871 02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:05.520 easily that like last time we watched we rewatched The Wire, 2872 02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:09.079 We're now rewatching The Wire again. That show. I mean, 2873 02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.079 there are so many different dialects in that show, because 2874 02:11:11.079 --> 02:11:12.560 I think the great thing about that show is that 2875 02:11:12.600 --> 02:11:18.239 they're covering so many different sects of the city that 2876 02:11:19.279 --> 02:11:22.279 people are speaking differently within their different bubbles. And also 2877 02:11:22.439 --> 02:11:27.800 that show loads so much information into one scene. We 2878 02:11:28.039 --> 02:11:30.039 had the subtitles on last time, We're like, holy fuck, 2879 02:11:30.079 --> 02:11:32.520 I've never caught that before. Oh my god, this scene 2880 02:11:32.560 --> 02:11:35.399 has so much more gravitas to it, because even like 2881 02:11:35.439 --> 02:11:37.640 Bunk and McNulty, some of their scenes when they're talking 2882 02:11:37.680 --> 02:11:40.720 and we're rewatching the show right now towards the end 2883 02:11:40.720 --> 02:11:44.760 of season two, and even that season, I'm appreciating much 2884 02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:48.560 much more because I know the stakes of what's going on, 2885 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:51.960 because I didn't understand the Greek or some of the 2886 02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:55.560 things that like Horse was saying to Frank Sabaka or whatever. 2887 02:11:55.600 --> 02:12:02.039 But like I've come around on them. With TV movies, 2888 02:12:02.079 --> 02:12:04.920 I still because they're so short form and I'm not 2889 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:08.239 as worried about catching every little nugget of information. I 2890 02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:12.119 don't use them for movies. But what did I just 2891 02:12:12.159 --> 02:12:19.560 watch recently? Sinners? Finally watched Sinners, great movie, fucking rules. Yes, 2892 02:12:19.720 --> 02:12:21.079 there was a few scenes where I went back and 2893 02:12:21.119 --> 02:12:23.720 turn on the subtitles because I wanted to hear every 2894 02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:26.319 lass like piece of information. But like there are certain 2895 02:12:26.319 --> 02:12:30.560 movies when you're like Annihilation, I don't necessarily need subtitles 2896 02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:33.279 because I'm not there for like the dialogue. Well that 2897 02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:35.079 that movie has great dialogue, but I'm there more for 2898 02:12:35.079 --> 02:12:37.000 the vibes of that movie, even though it's the best 2899 02:12:37.039 --> 02:12:38.560 movie ever made. I don't need to know every little 2900 02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:42.720 piece of information, but like, yeah, I've come around on subtitles, 2901 02:12:42.720 --> 02:12:47.399 although in games Ghosts of Yote, I will say I 2902 02:12:47.560 --> 02:12:55.720 kind of regret picking Japanese voice acting English subtitles. It's crazy. 2903 02:12:55.720 --> 02:12:57.319 I feel like that's the thing. Like I keep getting 2904 02:12:57.359 --> 02:12:59.439 asked that in like comments like you're playing this or 2905 02:12:59.479 --> 02:13:01.920 this night, I'm just doing English voices English subtitle. 2906 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:05.119 I kind of wish I did, and here's why. And 2907 02:13:05.520 --> 02:13:08.199 when I'm when given that choice, I almost always pick 2908 02:13:08.520 --> 02:13:11.439 whatever is diegetic to the setting, like I'll pick oh yeah, 2909 02:13:11.720 --> 02:13:15.640 And I don't regret it when during cutscenes Gusta Yote 2910 02:13:15.840 --> 02:13:17.680 and I should have mentioned this earlier in the episode, 2911 02:13:17.680 --> 02:13:20.199 that's not I don't think it's a knock on it. 2912 02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:23.840 I think it's just a knock on me not speaking Japanese. 2913 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:28.239 They there's some dialogue during fights or while I'm riding 2914 02:13:28.239 --> 02:13:30.640 my horse trying to aim for the flowers, where there's 2915 02:13:30.680 --> 02:13:34.159 like I don't understand Japanese. So I'm trying to read 2916 02:13:34.239 --> 02:13:38.039 the subtitles while doing all this stuff in the world, 2917 02:13:38.199 --> 02:13:40.079 and I can't read it. I have to go read 2918 02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:42.000 and then like be like fuck and steer my horse 2919 02:13:42.039 --> 02:13:43.880 back into the white flowers and shit like that, or 2920 02:13:44.159 --> 02:13:47.159 during a fight, to be clear, I understand how to 2921 02:13:47.199 --> 02:13:51.479 fucking swing this giant, two handed fucking sword while I'm reading. 2922 02:13:52.239 --> 02:13:53.760 But there's a lot going on in some of the 2923 02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:55.560 combat in this game, to the point where like I 2924 02:13:56.079 --> 02:13:59.600 can't see every badass line that Odds says but likes. 2925 02:13:59.600 --> 02:14:01.720 Also a weird thing where it's like in Ghost of Yota, 2926 02:14:01.920 --> 02:14:05.000 the the melee stuff, it's got to like blue glint, 2927 02:14:05.359 --> 02:14:07.600 a red glen, yellow glen stuff, and that's clearer how 2928 02:14:07.600 --> 02:14:09.920 to respond to that. But the way they dealt with 2929 02:14:09.960 --> 02:14:13.640 the range guys, like the guns and the bon and arrows, 2930 02:14:13.680 --> 02:14:16.399 like they just yell before it, and so it's like 2931 02:14:16.600 --> 02:14:18.760 ah and then throw and it's. 2932 02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:26.279 Like the friends yeah and they fucking yeah. This doesn't 2933 02:14:26.279 --> 02:14:28.439 feel really realistic. I don't. Yeah, I don't think Lego 2934 02:14:28.479 --> 02:14:33.880 Loos was like here it comes gunn yeah, get ready. 2935 02:14:34.039 --> 02:14:34.560 Yeah. 2936 02:14:34.600 --> 02:14:37.279 I can't like fault them fully for trying to find 2937 02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:40.000 some way that doesn't just clutter it even more visually. 2938 02:14:41.760 --> 02:14:43.600 It's a video game. Yeah. 2939 02:14:43.640 --> 02:14:48.039 I use subtitles for most things, games, especially because most 2940 02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:51.279 of the time I'm playing games usually on Discord with friends, 2941 02:14:51.760 --> 02:14:53.560 and so if I don't have subtitles on it, I 2942 02:14:53.600 --> 02:14:56.880 miss something. I'm like, I can't do two things so 2943 02:14:56.960 --> 02:14:59.640 much with the subtitles. A second, like read some some 2944 02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:00.680 dial or something. 2945 02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:04.439 But just that's something I keep hearing about now, is 2946 02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:07.920 like people just like hanging out in like Discord voice servers, 2947 02:15:08.119 --> 02:15:09.640 and like I I think I probably know a bunch 2948 02:15:09.640 --> 02:15:11.279 of the guys you're talking about that you're in these 2949 02:15:11.319 --> 02:15:16.399 things with, and I've never done that. Piece of ship Carson. 2950 02:15:16.760 --> 02:15:21.560 Yeah, my message right now is Mike says, fuck you, Okay, 2951 02:15:21.760 --> 02:15:22.479 I love that guy. 2952 02:15:23.479 --> 02:15:25.960 Yeah, It's like are are we're talking about? Like there's 2953 02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:28.439 like six people playing video games and you all have 2954 02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:32.039 just open mics and you're all playing different stuff and chatting. 2955 02:15:32.399 --> 02:15:35.560 I mean that sounds fun. I just that seems like 2956 02:15:35.600 --> 02:15:36.960 such a It. 2957 02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:43.600 Doesn't sound like you think it sounds fun, danced because 2958 02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:46.239 like you're doing that's amazing. But like. 2959 02:15:48.039 --> 02:15:49.560 Because I'm thinking about like a lot of times, like 2960 02:15:49.600 --> 02:15:51.319 I was talking about, like being Beyonca, well be sitting 2961 02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:53.520 down both playing our steam deck games, or. 2962 02:15:53.520 --> 02:15:56.039 You're sitting next to each other when you're separate. 2963 02:15:56.199 --> 02:16:00.840 Yeah, we're talking and stuff, but it seems like maybe 2964 02:16:00.840 --> 02:16:03.399 that type of thing, right, Yeah. 2965 02:16:03.199 --> 02:16:05.880 Well it's this idea, right, like how many times have 2966 02:16:05.960 --> 02:16:07.239 you like gone to a friend's house or had a 2967 02:16:07.239 --> 02:16:08.760 friend over when you were younger and one of you 2968 02:16:08.840 --> 02:16:10.479 is just playing a single player game or the other 2969 02:16:10.520 --> 02:16:12.479 person is like, well, what do I do? I guess 2970 02:16:12.520 --> 02:16:15.000 I just watch you play. This is like everyone gets 2971 02:16:15.079 --> 02:16:18.239 their screen time. Everybody's in their enclosure, everyone's in their 2972 02:16:18.279 --> 02:16:20.359 own space. But then we get to like talk to 2973 02:16:20.439 --> 02:16:23.000 each other like also while that's going on, and like 2974 02:16:23.000 --> 02:16:25.119 sometimes we'll toss streams up, so it's like everyone's able 2975 02:16:25.159 --> 02:16:27.119 to like watch each other's gameplay. So there are some 2976 02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:31.199 nights where I've got six different video games being streamed 2977 02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:33.079 to me at once, and am I paying attention to 2978 02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:33.559 all of them? 2979 02:16:33.600 --> 02:16:33.680 No? 2980 02:16:33.760 --> 02:16:35.120 But I have them up and it's like this nice 2981 02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:38.000 communal night that we're all having where you know, we 2982 02:16:38.079 --> 02:16:40.040 might be quiet for twenty minutes and then we might 2983 02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:41.879 go off the rails for thirty five minutes and then 2984 02:16:41.879 --> 02:16:43.840 we all go back to play in our games. 2985 02:16:44.159 --> 02:16:45.959 That sounds fun, it's a good time. 2986 02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:47.000 It's very like a. 2987 02:16:48.520 --> 02:16:51.079 More recent thing, like I don't think that really was 2988 02:16:51.120 --> 02:16:52.639 happening ten years ago. 2989 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:55.280 No, No, not at all, but it is the reason 2990 02:16:55.319 --> 02:16:57.920 I have to put subtitles on when I play a game, 2991 02:16:58.600 --> 02:17:00.639 and because if like I said, like if I have 2992 02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:04.520 six people blaring Discord soundboards in my ear and I'm 2993 02:17:04.520 --> 02:17:06.399 trying to watch a Ghost of Yota cut scene, like 2994 02:17:06.399 --> 02:17:09.639 it's I gotta be able to read what's happening with movies. 2995 02:17:09.680 --> 02:17:12.760 Though It's like I don't really have subtitles. My roommates 2996 02:17:12.840 --> 02:17:15.399 like subtitles a lot, so like it really is just 2997 02:17:15.440 --> 02:17:17.719 based on like if they're watching with me or not. 2998 02:17:18.200 --> 02:17:20.840 And then TV, especially like I think Game of Thrones 2999 02:17:20.879 --> 02:17:23.319 really changed me on this. I had to have subtitles 3000 02:17:23.319 --> 02:17:25.879 on for Game of Thrones because it helped reinforce a 3001 02:17:25.920 --> 02:17:30.399 lot of like proper nouns, you know, regions, character names, 3002 02:17:30.440 --> 02:17:33.399 like because there's so many that that game, that show 3003 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:37.879 is so dense with information that I just needed the reinforcement, 3004 02:17:37.879 --> 02:17:40.120 the visual reinforcement of being able to read those names. 3005 02:17:40.319 --> 02:17:44.079 I'm also very much like a visual learner, like that's 3006 02:17:44.200 --> 02:17:48.159 my that's how I build my memory lexicon. Seeing names 3007 02:17:48.200 --> 02:17:51.559 helped a lot with shows like that or again, like 3008 02:17:51.600 --> 02:17:54.200 the Wire, same thing. There's so many characters. I'm like, 3009 02:17:54.239 --> 02:17:57.600 all right, this is okay. I got to know Bunk 3010 02:17:57.840 --> 02:18:02.079 or Russell from season two. I'm like, I wouldn't have 3011 02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:03.959 known who they were if it wasn't for the fact that, 3012 02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:06.280 you know, like the show is well written, so it's 3013 02:18:06.280 --> 02:18:09.079 not like they're saying, hey, Russell, remember when you told 3014 02:18:09.079 --> 02:18:12.040 me that thing last episode, Like, I'm I need to 3015 02:18:12.159 --> 02:18:13.719 know who they are, so it helps a lot to 3016 02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:14.000 have that. 3017 02:18:14.559 --> 02:18:17.360 Deadwood is another one, oh yeah, where it's a really 3018 02:18:17.399 --> 02:18:19.600 dense dialogue and a bunch of characters and stuff, and 3019 02:18:19.600 --> 02:18:21.120 it does just kind of help with that, so it 3020 02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:22.840 is kind of like a show by show basis. 3021 02:18:22.879 --> 02:18:28.360 Then Deadwood's really good, Deadwood's fuck, it's good. Russ Frushtick 3022 02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:30.639 convinced me to rewatch. I started it back in the 3023 02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:32.719 day and then uh, when I came to Pobaly gond 3024 02:18:32.760 --> 02:18:35.079 rushed it is like it's a slow burn, but it's 3025 02:18:35.079 --> 02:18:39.000 got one of the best several payoffs in like TV history, 3026 02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:41.440 and I rewatched it. I'm like, oh my god, it's it's. 3027 02:18:41.600 --> 02:18:44.799 The three times now I have watched the show and 3028 02:18:44.840 --> 02:18:48.079 I had a poster that show in my fucking college department. 3029 02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:50.760 I love it, but I every time I get to 3030 02:18:51.360 --> 02:18:54.559 two or three episodes in the season three and I 3031 02:18:54.639 --> 02:18:58.040 fall off, and not because it's bad. It all seems good. 3032 02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:01.200 I cannot explain it, but i've I didn't and Bianc 3033 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:02.959 had not seen it, and so a few years ago 3034 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:05.000 it's like, Okay, I'm gonna do this. It was around 3035 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:06.920 the time the movie was coming out on HBO, which 3036 02:19:06.959 --> 02:19:09.200 is a very good movie. Yeah it was great, but 3037 02:19:09.280 --> 02:19:10.959 it was like, Okay, I'm gonna watch all the way 3038 02:19:10.959 --> 02:19:13.399 through five. I've never seen season three outside of the 3039 02:19:13.440 --> 02:19:16.120 first couple episodes, and we did the same fucking thing 3040 02:19:16.440 --> 02:19:18.280 where we got like two episodes in and then we 3041 02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:20.520 just watched the movie. And I still haven't seen most 3042 02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:23.079 of season three, and it's like, I love that show. 3043 02:19:23.120 --> 02:19:26.239 I cannot explain why I haven't seen it. Like it's good, right, Mike, 3044 02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:27.120 like the season three? 3045 02:19:27.360 --> 02:19:29.040 Yes, I like it quite a bit. It's not my 3046 02:19:29.079 --> 02:19:32.399 favorite of the show, but it's definitely good. 3047 02:19:33.239 --> 02:19:34.799 We did that with A Wire or two, where we 3048 02:19:34.840 --> 02:19:37.840 watched because I've seen The Wires several times and probably 3049 02:19:37.879 --> 02:19:40.840 the best show ever, and we got through. We watched 3050 02:19:40.840 --> 02:19:43.479 the first four seasons pretty quickly, and then I think 3051 02:19:43.479 --> 02:19:45.559 we watched like the first one of season five and 3052 02:19:45.559 --> 02:19:48.719 then fell off five five. There's moments in five. 3053 02:19:49.000 --> 02:19:55.000 Yeah, five's like rightfully criticized being self indulgent on Simon's part. 3054 02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:57.479 He was, you know, a Baltimore Sun reporter, and then 3055 02:19:57.520 --> 02:19:59.159 the fifth season was about journalists. 3056 02:19:59.399 --> 02:19:59.719 Yeah. 3057 02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:02.959 I do think the media was integral to the story 3058 02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:04.840 they were telling. I just think it got a bit 3059 02:20:04.879 --> 02:20:07.239 too in the weeds. I didn't mind because that like 3060 02:20:07.280 --> 02:20:09.079 I came up watching that show and be like, oh, yeah, 3061 02:20:09.120 --> 02:20:10.600 I want to be a you know, a journalist. This 3062 02:20:10.680 --> 02:20:11.680 is awesome, Like. 3063 02:20:13.079 --> 02:20:13.399 I don't. 3064 02:20:13.440 --> 02:20:15.719 I think that's one of the weaker seasons. Rewatching the show, 3065 02:20:16.040 --> 02:20:18.120 I think season two is actually way better than I 3066 02:20:18.120 --> 02:20:19.000 ever gave it credit for. 3067 02:20:19.200 --> 02:20:22.399 And I always liked season two. Iat. 3068 02:20:22.559 --> 02:20:24.920 I get why people initially were like what the fuck 3069 02:20:24.959 --> 02:20:27.959 are they doing before they saw what they were actually 3070 02:20:27.959 --> 02:20:30.040 going forward with the whole thing, but like this is. 3071 02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:32.639 Totally different, but like I think it's it's they were 3072 02:20:32.639 --> 02:20:35.120 looking at several different aspects of the city and crime 3073 02:20:35.280 --> 02:20:37.360 and it and like what an interesting take on like 3074 02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:39.040 just the docs And for. 3075 02:20:38.959 --> 02:20:40.600 The first like two episodes, you're like, why the fuck 3076 02:20:40.639 --> 02:20:42.639 do we care about these Steve it or doc workers 3077 02:20:42.959 --> 02:20:45.920 like and of course, and again initially the show is like, 3078 02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:47.319 why the fuck do we care about what all these 3079 02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:50.280 like white Baltimore dudes are doing? Like I was watching 3080 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:54.319 like I was watching these like like you know, these 3081 02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:56.600 characters that I had gotten to love and like they 3082 02:20:56.639 --> 02:20:58.879 were their whole thing was like playing the game with 3083 02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:00.760 the cops everything. And then all of a sudden, like 3084 02:21:00.760 --> 02:21:02.159 why do what do the Steve Lers have to do 3085 02:21:02.159 --> 02:21:05.840 with it? You realize later on they're like essential to 3086 02:21:06.200 --> 02:21:09.520 the story. Oh it's really good. I'm rewatching again. It's 3087 02:21:09.520 --> 02:21:12.639 still incredible. All right, I still got more from Jeff. 3088 02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:17.680 All Right, we kind of just actually touched on this 3089 02:21:18.120 --> 02:21:20.440 sound in video games. I'm on my second playthrough of 3090 02:21:20.440 --> 02:21:22.319 Tiers of the Kingdom and put one hundred and fifty 3091 02:21:22.360 --> 02:21:25.280 hours the first time around. I have never heard the 3092 02:21:25.319 --> 02:21:28.440 in game soundtrack. Video game time is my time away 3093 02:21:28.479 --> 02:21:30.120 from family and kids, so I like to listen to 3094 02:21:30.159 --> 02:21:33.239 my own music, drink some drinks and escape. Donkey Kong Bonanza, 3095 02:21:33.399 --> 02:21:35.719 no sound, Breath of the Wild, Tears the Kingdom, no sound, 3096 02:21:35.719 --> 02:21:37.000 And am I a monster for this? 3097 02:21:37.280 --> 02:21:37.559 Okay? 3098 02:21:37.639 --> 02:21:43.159 So so he said no sound, I think he means music. 3099 02:21:43.719 --> 02:21:46.040 He's saying no sound, but he said, I've. 3100 02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:47.879 Never heard the in game soundtrack after Tears of the. 3101 02:21:47.920 --> 02:21:50.239 King either way, Like you know what this this track, 3102 02:21:50.440 --> 02:21:54.280 this goes right into a previous question about bad takes, 3103 02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:56.559 and I remember, I think it was Stephen Tatillo had 3104 02:21:56.600 --> 02:22:00.559 a thing around the first Red Dead Redemption saying that 3105 02:22:00.719 --> 02:22:03.319 like he did he listened to podcasts or you never 3106 02:22:03.360 --> 02:22:05.799 listened to like the music and return the music off 3107 02:22:05.840 --> 02:22:08.399 and red dipdemption, and he got a lot of shit 3108 02:22:08.479 --> 02:22:10.559 for it because it's like, oh my god, like you 3109 02:22:10.559 --> 02:22:13.079 know Red Dead Redemption, those musical moments, like you know, 3110 02:22:13.120 --> 02:22:15.559 those few times they bring in an actual song and everything. 3111 02:22:15.360 --> 02:22:18.680 Yeah, when you're crossing into Mexico, the yeah, yeah. 3112 02:22:18.440 --> 02:22:20.159 Like those are the things some of the things I 3113 02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:22.360 remember the most about that game. And two two did 3114 02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:26.040 the same thing, unshaking yeah, yeah, yeah, And I remember 3115 02:22:26.040 --> 02:22:28.000 he got a lot of ship for that back in 3116 02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:29.440 the day. And the thing is, I don't even want 3117 02:22:29.440 --> 02:22:31.600 to say that age poorly because I think at the 3118 02:22:31.680 --> 02:22:34.360 time he got a ton of shit for it. But 3119 02:22:34.680 --> 02:22:36.559 I guess it is a personal preference thing, like what 3120 02:22:36.639 --> 02:22:40.239 Jeff is saying here, But like it's kind of crazy 3121 02:22:40.280 --> 02:22:43.559 to me, you know, that's the part that's a huge 3122 02:22:43.559 --> 02:22:45.239 part of it. Like when you think about like when 3123 02:22:45.239 --> 02:22:47.760 we used to score games, it was always graphics, sound 3124 02:22:48.159 --> 02:22:50.719 like replay value and overall score. It's like sound is 3125 02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:52.719 a huge part of games if. 3126 02:22:52.399 --> 02:22:55.680 You wanna so, yeah, Jesse, like I I that's when 3127 02:22:55.680 --> 02:22:57.799 you were saying that you have like several streams up 3128 02:22:57.799 --> 02:22:59.600 and you're talking to your friends. That's where I'm I 3129 02:22:59.680 --> 02:23:02.040 got to a point where I'm like, okay, interesting, That's 3130 02:23:02.079 --> 02:23:04.479 where I might have fallen off if that was something 3131 02:23:04.520 --> 02:23:09.280 I was into, Because turning soundtrack off is one thing. 3132 02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:11.239 If you want to tellor your experience to be like 3133 02:23:11.280 --> 02:23:13.559 as immersive to you as you can make it, and 3134 02:23:13.600 --> 02:23:16.760 if turning the soundtrack off helps that for you, go 3135 02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:20.360 for it. But yeah, I can't imagine, like I cannot 3136 02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:22.680 imagine goes to Yota without a sound, even some game 3137 02:23:22.719 --> 02:23:26.479 like Shadow of the Colossus which is verrely bereft and desolate, 3138 02:23:26.639 --> 02:23:29.440 but like the sound becomes even more important for me 3139 02:23:29.520 --> 02:23:33.440 there where it's so quiet. But do you do you 3140 02:23:33.479 --> 02:23:38.200 feel like it diminishes games when you are and maybe 3141 02:23:38.200 --> 02:23:41.479 I'm misunderstanding how your how it goes when you're like 3142 02:23:41.600 --> 02:23:43.559 hanging out with people because like I totally get how 3143 02:23:43.600 --> 02:23:46.879 the social aspect of that can really amplify your enjoyment 3144 02:23:46.920 --> 02:23:49.639 for games, because I was always a person who I 3145 02:23:49.680 --> 02:23:52.559 would either be playing games in my place when friends 3146 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:54.239 came over or vice versa, I would go watch them 3147 02:23:54.239 --> 02:23:58.520 play games, So I totally connect with that. But are 3148 02:23:58.559 --> 02:24:01.639 you playing with like low sound or no sound or. 3149 02:24:01.760 --> 02:24:06.040 So I'm very first of all, so when I'm watching 3150 02:24:06.040 --> 02:24:08.159 like other people streams, like when I'm playing my game, 3151 02:24:08.200 --> 02:24:11.280 like I'll normally turn their streams off, like the volume 3152 02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:13.360 because it is more of just like a oh, just 3153 02:24:13.399 --> 02:24:15.000 seeing what they're up to what they're playing, and then 3154 02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:17.440 like I'm playing my thing with my volume on, so 3155 02:24:17.559 --> 02:24:21.200 I'll have people talking like over voice obviously at me, 3156 02:24:21.239 --> 02:24:23.479 but like I still have my sound like cranked, like 3157 02:24:23.520 --> 02:24:26.879 I'm still say But I'm also like very particular about 3158 02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:29.399 the games I will play in those settings, Like I'm 3159 02:24:29.440 --> 02:24:33.159 not playing a very story heavy like ASA is an example, 3160 02:24:33.239 --> 02:24:35.639 just like a Hades is great where it's like it's 3161 02:24:35.639 --> 02:24:39.799 mostly reading, and like I've done the run multiple times, 3162 02:24:39.799 --> 02:24:42.120 I probably won't push the narrative forward. I can just 3163 02:24:42.159 --> 02:24:44.479 do that run I've heard the soundtrack a million times 3164 02:24:45.239 --> 02:24:47.120 or I'll play like a multiplay, like I'll jump into 3165 02:24:47.159 --> 02:24:49.520 like a Call of Duty lobby, like things that are 3166 02:24:49.559 --> 02:24:51.840 like sound is part of the experience, but it's not 3167 02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:55.360 like why I'm there, Sure, something low low stakes, but 3168 02:24:55.399 --> 02:24:59.520 like if I'm reviewing something or if I'm playing like 3169 02:24:59.559 --> 02:25:02.120 something that I really want the full experience of, like 3170 02:25:02.520 --> 02:25:04.239 that is like a me game. On the side, I'll 3171 02:25:04.239 --> 02:25:07.159 play when I'm not doing you know that, Or I'll 3172 02:25:07.200 --> 02:25:10.760 like Deafen on Discord and I'll just be the thing 3173 02:25:10.799 --> 02:25:12.840 if someone needs to poke me about something, and I'll 3174 02:25:12.879 --> 02:25:15.680 just and be enjoying the game myself for sure. 3175 02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:19.559 Yeah. Yeah, like tough. Yeah, it goes out saying it's 3176 02:25:19.600 --> 02:25:21.639 like obviously if any of us are playing something for work, 3177 02:25:21.680 --> 02:25:27.799 then we're giving it our full attention. Yeah, Like it's like, yeah, 3178 02:25:28.719 --> 02:25:32.399 what game was I recently playing? Like Ghost of Yote, 3179 02:25:32.440 --> 02:25:34.280 I guess is probably the best example. It's like I 3180 02:25:34.319 --> 02:25:39.200 can't like without the soundtrack there when you're doing the 3181 02:25:39.239 --> 02:25:41.239 standoffs and like it's doing the zoom in on her 3182 02:25:41.280 --> 02:25:43.840 sword and you've got like the she pulls it out 3183 02:25:43.879 --> 02:25:45.879 the last minute and then or the last like few 3184 02:25:46.040 --> 02:25:50.120 inches and it's got that like Marcone kind of guitar riff. 3185 02:25:50.760 --> 02:25:56.479 I can't imagine something without that. However, yeah, I don't know, 3186 02:25:56.719 --> 02:25:58.840 Like even Breath of the Wild comes. Breath of the 3187 02:25:58.840 --> 02:26:01.559 Wild is something that's interesting if you turn the soundtrack off, 3188 02:26:01.600 --> 02:26:07.120 because we when we first played that game, it was 3189 02:26:07.159 --> 02:26:08.959 a big deal with the fact that they were so 3190 02:26:10.280 --> 02:26:13.479 withholding with the soundtrack. It would be random little flutters 3191 02:26:13.600 --> 02:26:16.920 when you're just in the woods or when you're coming 3192 02:26:16.959 --> 02:26:18.879 over a hill and then you've always you would all 3193 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:22.879 of a sudden hear like and then like that would 3194 02:26:22.879 --> 02:26:24.760 add to it, and that would be amazing. But I 3195 02:26:24.799 --> 02:26:26.559 can't imagine the game without those. 3196 02:26:27.239 --> 02:26:28.879 Yeah, like Brett the Wild is, I think it's a 3197 02:26:28.920 --> 02:26:30.840 game by game thing. Like Brett the Wild was never 3198 02:26:30.879 --> 02:26:34.799 a podcast game for me. But like Jesse was saying, like, hey, thees, Yeah, 3199 02:26:34.840 --> 02:26:36.600 after a certain amount of like you know, I played 3200 02:26:36.600 --> 02:26:39.959 these runs million times, it's I feel okay, you know, 3201 02:26:40.040 --> 02:26:42.440 watching something or listening to something. And then there's things 3202 02:26:42.440 --> 02:26:45.479 like MEGABONK where it's like I played it a lot, 3203 02:26:45.600 --> 02:26:47.719 and I know how this music is. The music is great, 3204 02:26:47.799 --> 02:26:51.280 it's awesome, but can very easily put something else on 3205 02:26:51.399 --> 02:26:53.479 and I don't feel like I'm losing anything, So it 3206 02:26:53.559 --> 02:26:56.120 really is game by game thing where it's like Mike Yota, 3207 02:26:56.319 --> 02:26:58.959 I think is the current thing that like I can't 3208 02:26:58.959 --> 02:27:01.920 imagine listen to a podcast or something or having a 3209 02:27:01.920 --> 02:27:04.479 conversation while playing YOT that is like I'm turning the 3210 02:27:04.559 --> 02:27:07.639 lights off, phones on silent. I am just watching this, 3211 02:27:07.879 --> 02:27:09.239 you know, playing it like a movie. You know. 3212 02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:11.879 Yeah, I don't need the sound and risk of Rain two, 3213 02:27:12.200 --> 02:27:14.360 even though I fucking love that game. And I also 3214 02:27:14.360 --> 02:27:16.319 don't need the sound in Tower Dominion, even though it's 3215 02:27:16.319 --> 02:27:18.399 one of my favorite games this year. Like I don't 3216 02:27:18.399 --> 02:27:20.440 need the sound like. 3217 02:27:22.239 --> 02:27:25.079 But you over and over again that are designed to 3218 02:27:25.120 --> 02:27:27.719 be heard over and over again, is like yeah, now 3219 02:27:27.719 --> 02:27:30.079 it's the time. Like I think of curated experiences a lot, 3220 02:27:30.079 --> 02:27:33.200 where like death Strending is a very curated experience when 3221 02:27:33.200 --> 02:27:35.399 it comes to his music, right you're cresting over a hill, 3222 02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:37.479 that low roar song is going to play. The lower 3223 02:27:37.520 --> 02:27:40.120 third comes in, like if you're listening to like your 3224 02:27:40.159 --> 02:27:43.360 own music, Like that doesn't compute with me, where it's like, oh, 3225 02:27:43.399 --> 02:27:46.079 that whole moment is kind of just gone, Like you 3226 02:27:46.159 --> 02:27:48.879 just lose that moment and like you've maybe you've created 3227 02:27:48.879 --> 02:27:50.639 something for yourself and like you enjoy that more and 3228 02:27:50.719 --> 02:27:52.760 that's cool, But like for me, it's like so much 3229 02:27:52.799 --> 02:27:55.639 of my relationship with that game, Outer Wilds is the 3230 02:27:55.639 --> 02:27:57.280 same way where it's like, yes, when you hear the 3231 02:27:57.319 --> 02:28:00.959 Timberhearth theme play, when you hear the music play, and 3232 02:28:01.000 --> 02:28:03.879 you know what's about to happen, Like that's so intrinsically 3233 02:28:03.920 --> 02:28:08.280 tied to my experience with that that game that if 3234 02:28:08.319 --> 02:28:10.159 I was like listening to whatever, but then I think 3235 02:28:10.159 --> 02:28:11.760 about something like Spider Man and that was like a 3236 02:28:11.799 --> 02:28:13.719 big thing going around when Marvel Spider Man came out 3237 02:28:13.959 --> 02:28:15.559 where a lot of people were like put on like 3238 02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:18.639 nineties hip hop like make your own Spotify playlist and 3239 02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:20.879 just like swing around the city listening to that. And 3240 02:28:20.920 --> 02:28:22.600 I'm like, oh, I actually tried that and it was 3241 02:28:22.639 --> 02:28:24.399 actually really cool and I really enjoyed that, and I 3242 02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.120 ended up doing that for most of the game because 3243 02:28:26.120 --> 02:28:28.639 it was honestly like a way better experience for me. 3244 02:28:28.680 --> 02:28:31.120 I thought it was neat well. Also, yeah, Insomnia, like 3245 02:28:31.159 --> 02:28:33.399 Insomnia can't get the rights to Wu Tang clans, so 3246 02:28:33.440 --> 02:28:34.840 like you're gonna make it way better. 3247 02:28:34.639 --> 02:28:34.959 If you do. 3248 02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:38.159 Yeah, No, I totally get that for sure, But I 3249 02:28:38.239 --> 02:28:42.239 definitely if if Jeff's saying he turns the sound off, 3250 02:28:42.600 --> 02:28:46.440 but that's I don't have kids. I'm sure like there's 3251 02:28:46.600 --> 02:28:48.360 there are people who do that are like I just 3252 02:28:48.479 --> 02:28:56.840 literally want quiet. I can sort of get that penn 3253 02:28:56.879 --> 02:28:59.600 ultimate question, not finishing video games. The reason I'm playing 3254 02:28:59.600 --> 02:29:01.559 Tears that king him again is to finally finish it. 3255 02:29:01.959 --> 02:29:04.600 I'm notorious for not finishing games, not getting to the end, 3256 02:29:04.680 --> 02:29:06.760 especially with open world games. If I feel I have 3257 02:29:06.840 --> 02:29:09.239 reached a point of fatigue but also enjoyed the fifty 3258 02:29:09.239 --> 02:29:10.399 hours I got out of the game, and I would 3259 02:29:10.399 --> 02:29:12.200 just stop playing that game forever. Am I a monster 3260 02:29:12.239 --> 02:29:12.440 for this? 3261 02:29:12.559 --> 02:29:13.479 No, not at all. 3262 02:29:13.639 --> 02:29:15.360 It was a turning point for me when I decided 3263 02:29:15.399 --> 02:29:17.799 I do not need to finish every fucking game I start. 3264 02:29:18.680 --> 02:29:22.079 I that was like ten years ago, maybe fifteen at 3265 02:29:22.079 --> 02:29:25.319 this point. Obviously, again keeping in mind at fall three 3266 02:29:25.360 --> 02:29:27.079 of us are playing something for work. We're going to 3267 02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:28.760 see it through and like make sure we give it 3268 02:29:28.799 --> 02:29:31.680 our full attention and you know, meet it more than 3269 02:29:32.040 --> 02:29:34.440 meet it all the way. But like, if there's a 3270 02:29:34.440 --> 02:29:36.159 game I'm playing that just to check it out and 3271 02:29:36.239 --> 02:29:39.000 see if I enjoy it, then no, I I long 3272 02:29:39.040 --> 02:29:42.239 ago stopped feeling the need to finish a game, let 3273 02:29:42.280 --> 02:29:43.159 alone hundred percent. 3274 02:29:44.399 --> 02:29:46.760 That was something reason Jesse we're talking about off the 3275 02:29:46.799 --> 02:29:49.639 air tonight, where it's like, if you're writing reviews for 3276 02:29:49.680 --> 02:29:52.440 a game, like you know, that's all I was doing 3277 02:29:52.479 --> 02:29:56.360 from like oh five to maybe twenty fourteen, is like you, 3278 02:29:56.520 --> 02:29:58.520 it's a scored review. You need to beat it. You 3279 02:29:58.559 --> 02:30:00.479 need to be able to talk to the entire of 3280 02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:03.159 the game. But it was a thing once I shifted 3281 02:30:03.239 --> 02:30:05.920 to Giant Bomb, and it was like, okay, it's podcast discussion. 3282 02:30:06.000 --> 02:30:09.000 Like look, I can play ten hours of a thirty 3283 02:30:09.040 --> 02:30:11.760 hour game and say how I feel about that ten hours. 3284 02:30:11.799 --> 02:30:15.000 I wouldn't have written a review, But like that shift 3285 02:30:15.120 --> 02:30:17.760 caused me to be a little more okay with like, Okay, 3286 02:30:17.840 --> 02:30:19.479 I'm not really having a great time with this. I 3287 02:30:19.479 --> 02:30:21.959 don't need to beat this entire game right now, so 3288 02:30:22.159 --> 02:30:24.239 kind of pick and choose. But like, yeah, like you're 3289 02:30:24.239 --> 02:30:27.239 talking about writing score reviews, it's like, yeah, gotta kind 3290 02:30:27.239 --> 02:30:29.120 of play that whole thing, Gotta gotta speak to the 3291 02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:29.559 whole deal. 3292 02:30:29.760 --> 02:30:32.959 Yeah, but that means in my free time, I dropped 3293 02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:37.440 games all the time. Yeah, I when I learned learned 3294 02:30:37.479 --> 02:30:39.079 it like it was like a skill, but like truly 3295 02:30:39.360 --> 02:30:41.600 I broke the habit of being like I paid for 3296 02:30:41.639 --> 02:30:42.959 this game, or I got this game and I'm going 3297 02:30:43.000 --> 02:30:45.000 to see it through, Like oh my god. There's nothing 3298 02:30:45.040 --> 02:30:46.799 like the rush of dropping a game you're just not 3299 02:30:47.079 --> 02:30:49.799 enjoying or not vibing with, or you play ten hours 3300 02:30:49.840 --> 02:30:52.040 of and you understand. It's like I love that feeling 3301 02:30:52.040 --> 02:30:54.040 when it's like I put like eight out dry. I 3302 02:30:54.040 --> 02:30:56.239 think Dragon Age recently was, or I guess last year 3303 02:30:56.239 --> 02:30:57.600 it was like a good example of this. It's like 3304 02:30:57.680 --> 02:30:59.559 I want to see this game through. I'm halfway through it. 3305 02:30:59.680 --> 02:31:01.200 I don't know if I'm really vibing with it. And 3306 02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:03.239 then I just ditched it and never looked back, and 3307 02:31:03.280 --> 02:31:05.479 I was like, great. 3308 02:31:05.799 --> 02:31:08.319 What's the feeling of like having something like socially that 3309 02:31:08.360 --> 02:31:10.600 you need to do, like a party or something. Yeah, 3310 02:31:10.600 --> 02:31:12.440 and then like for some reason it's like, oh, you 3311 02:31:12.479 --> 02:31:14.760 have a great excuse to not go or it gets canceled. 3312 02:31:15.639 --> 02:31:16.639 The rush of canceling. 3313 02:31:16.760 --> 02:31:17.840 I just don't have to do that. 3314 02:31:17.959 --> 02:31:22.959 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I Like I said, Yota is the 3315 02:31:23.000 --> 02:31:24.600 first game in a while and my free time that 3316 02:31:24.639 --> 02:31:26.399 I'm like, I'm going to finish this because I really 3317 02:31:26.399 --> 02:31:29.120 do just truly, and that's not I'm not like pushing 3318 02:31:29.120 --> 02:31:32.120 myself to finish it. The game's good enough where it's 3319 02:31:32.360 --> 02:31:35.600 pulling me toward the finish, but like it's been a 3320 02:31:35.600 --> 02:31:38.559 while since I thought, Okay, I'm actually going to see 3321 02:31:38.559 --> 02:31:41.840 this through for sure. And then last question from Jess 3322 02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:47.319 shower beers, Yes or no? I'm not a shower beer 3323 02:31:47.360 --> 02:31:48.000 WI used to be. 3324 02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:51.600 I mean, I've cut back my drinking pretty significantly over 3325 02:31:51.719 --> 02:31:54.520 like the last year. But if I'm on vacation and 3326 02:31:54.600 --> 02:31:58.680 like the vibes are right, a shower beer Hell yeah, man. 3327 02:31:58.559 --> 02:32:02.120 I was a shower beer guy before the bars. You know, 3328 02:32:02.440 --> 02:32:05.040 take a shower, get clean, take get a little pre 3329 02:32:05.120 --> 02:32:08.639 drink going on. Now I'm an older man, I'm a 3330 02:32:08.680 --> 02:32:12.479 sauna beer guy. Do you have a sauna? I just 3331 02:32:12.559 --> 02:32:15.399 got one from Costco. This has been a saga for 3332 02:32:15.440 --> 02:32:17.319 the last week or two on Giant Bomb. I've talked 3333 02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:19.760 about so I got. I'm probably gonna start preheating it 3334 02:32:19.879 --> 02:32:21.639 right after this podcast. I'll probably do a run a 3335 02:32:21.639 --> 02:32:23.879 Hades while it's heating up to one fifty, and then 3336 02:32:23.879 --> 02:32:25.559 I'll have a couple of beers in the shower or 3337 02:32:25.559 --> 02:32:26.520 in the sauna. There that. 3338 02:32:26.639 --> 02:32:29.319 That's my new thing where I'm trying to like like. 3339 02:32:29.239 --> 02:32:31.559 In the bathroom, the macaroni cheese bathroom. 3340 02:32:31.639 --> 02:32:34.159 Oh wait, no, I've seen it. It's like the that like. 3341 02:32:34.200 --> 02:32:36.559 No, no, no, no, no no, not the steamroom closet. 3342 02:32:37.239 --> 02:32:39.479 That's the older that was the old model. I bought 3343 02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:43.799 a full on wooden, big ass like sauna thing. 3344 02:32:43.879 --> 02:32:45.520 How many people can it fit? Is it just a 3345 02:32:45.520 --> 02:32:47.360 one person sna or can it fit two person? 3346 02:32:47.479 --> 02:32:49.799 It's a two person in your back. Go in there. 3347 02:32:49.840 --> 02:32:53.440 It's got bluetooth, it's got fucking like it is hotter. 3348 02:32:53.879 --> 02:32:58.399 It's a dry sauna situation. Like the audio listeners won't 3349 02:32:58.399 --> 02:33:01.399 see it. But that's that's the guy there it is. 3350 02:33:01.559 --> 02:33:08.079 That's from control. Yeah, yeah, that's the oldest house man. Yes, 3351 02:33:08.200 --> 02:33:10.000 that's in your back. I've been doing that every single 3352 02:33:10.079 --> 02:33:12.280 night for the last two weeks. And I will usually 3353 02:33:12.319 --> 02:33:14.959 have some beers in there, and that's Uh. I've been reading. 3354 02:33:15.079 --> 02:33:17.520 I've been reading, uh a mic or a literary man. 3355 02:33:17.520 --> 02:33:22.600 I've been reading Breakfast of Champions and drinking beers and uh, just. 3356 02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:25.079 Ben Handsome recommend that to you. 3357 02:33:25.120 --> 02:33:28.479 No, That'shouse five. And I enjoyed it, and I was 3358 02:33:28.479 --> 02:33:33.000 like reading Signs of Titan. That's my favorite. I might 3359 02:33:33.040 --> 02:33:37.799 be back on the Maharty book suggestion train, because okay, 3360 02:33:37.959 --> 02:33:40.799 I was doing that if we. 3361 02:33:40.719 --> 02:33:43.000 Talked about it a few episodes ago. When you're done 3362 02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:44.520 with those and you want like a book that's actually 3363 02:33:44.520 --> 02:33:46.399 gonna like fucking change your life. One hundred Years of 3364 02:33:46.399 --> 02:33:49.639 Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez one of the most right now. 3365 02:33:50.000 --> 02:33:53.360 Enjoy It's it's it's it's literary as fuck, but it's 3366 02:33:53.360 --> 02:33:56.399 also like Enjoyable's hell page turner, So like, don't let 3367 02:33:56.440 --> 02:33:59.879 the the the way this situation to turre you. 3368 02:34:00.040 --> 02:34:02.000 I love that book. No I read I look, I 3369 02:34:02.040 --> 02:34:03.319 got nothing to do in that thing. I'm in that 3370 02:34:03.360 --> 02:34:05.559 thing for thirty minutes. I I'd love to have a 3371 02:34:05.559 --> 02:34:07.200 book to read. Oh yeah, I was thinking about like 3372 02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:10.319 physical books because I like physical books. But like I'm 3373 02:34:10.360 --> 02:34:12.079 sweating a lot in there. I don't want them to get. 3374 02:34:11.959 --> 02:34:13.479 All well, I don't know if that's the spot for that. 3375 02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:16.079 Yeah, I'm just doing the Kindle in there. So that's 3376 02:34:17.200 --> 02:34:19.120 sauna beers and yeah. 3377 02:34:19.000 --> 02:34:20.760 Can the kindle handle it too? Is it like not 3378 02:34:20.799 --> 02:34:21.159 too hot? 3379 02:34:21.200 --> 02:34:25.120 I looked it up. It's not like recommended, but like 3380 02:34:25.200 --> 02:34:26.959 if it gets to a bad point, it'll be like, hey, 3381 02:34:26.959 --> 02:34:29.920 it's fucking hot, what are you doing? And but you 3382 02:34:29.959 --> 02:34:31.760 know I usually do like, you know, fifteen minutes of 3383 02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:34.319 reading and I'll put it down on the ground where 3384 02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:36.559 it's less hot and it's going to sweat out the rest. 3385 02:34:37.639 --> 02:34:40.399 All right, Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't remember 3386 02:34:40.399 --> 02:34:42.399 the last time at a shower beer as a joke. 3387 02:34:42.639 --> 02:34:44.600 A man, it brought me like a shower red wine, 3388 02:34:45.680 --> 02:34:48.239 like a last year or something. I don't, but it's 3389 02:34:48.239 --> 02:34:51.959 not like something I do on purpose. All right, Well, 3390 02:34:51.959 --> 02:34:57.719 thank you, Jeff. That's all our emails. Excellent again for 3391 02:34:57.879 --> 02:35:01.399 next episode. Restock that in box. That's Firescape cast at 3392 02:35:01.399 --> 02:35:06.239 gmail dot com. Appreciate all the questions you send in 3393 02:35:07.520 --> 02:35:10.680 marriably back next episode. Jesse, thank you so much for 3394 02:35:10.879 --> 02:35:11.520 joining us. 3395 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:14.879 Thanks for having it was to have you plug things. 3396 02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:16.799 Yeah, yeah, what do you have going on that we 3397 02:35:16.840 --> 02:35:19.959 should know about currently? I don't have a whole lot 3398 02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:20.319 going on. 3399 02:35:20.879 --> 02:35:23.040 But if you go to restart dot run, or you 3400 02:35:23.079 --> 02:35:26.399 go to you type my name Jesse Vitelli into any 3401 02:35:26.440 --> 02:35:30.120 social media, you'll find me there Blue Sky, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, 3402 02:35:30.120 --> 02:35:33.840 whatever you want, whatever your social media choices. I just 3403 02:35:33.879 --> 02:35:35.559 put out a Digitmond review if you want to read 3404 02:35:35.559 --> 02:35:39.639 more about the wacky world of Deputymon that went up today. 3405 02:35:40.840 --> 02:35:41.040 Yeah. 3406 02:35:41.079 --> 02:35:42.879 I don't really have anything major going on, but. 3407 02:35:43.040 --> 02:35:45.760 You might see me around other places. Who knows, Dan, 3408 02:35:45.840 --> 02:35:46.280 what about you? 3409 02:35:47.680 --> 02:35:50.520 Giant bomb dot com, that's that's the place. I just 3410 02:35:50.520 --> 02:35:54.719 started playing my Blake Club game. I'm playing a Darkest 3411 02:35:54.719 --> 02:35:56.360 of Days. Have either of you heard of this? 3412 02:35:56.920 --> 02:35:58.200 Yes, Darkest of Days? 3413 02:35:58.239 --> 02:36:01.000 Now it's my Blake Club. I have to dress up 3414 02:36:01.040 --> 02:36:05.319 like a Civil War soldier and which side time cops. 3415 02:36:06.239 --> 02:36:08.760 That's the thing. I learned what the game was on 3416 02:36:08.959 --> 02:36:10.760 the air, and I had to dress up and instead 3417 02:36:10.760 --> 02:36:14.200 a Union soldier outfit, and it's that's the north. Okay, 3418 02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:16.959 we're good, but it's the idea of a time traveling 3419 02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:20.040 soldier time cop situation where it's like, oh, you're getting 3420 02:36:20.559 --> 02:36:23.360 rocket launchers and shit in the Civil War in World 3421 02:36:23.360 --> 02:36:26.000 War One and stuff like that. So it's not good. 3422 02:36:26.079 --> 02:36:28.719 And I'm playing the three sixty version, which runs terribly. 3423 02:36:28.840 --> 02:36:31.399 So that's my Black Club game right now. But yeah, 3424 02:36:31.440 --> 02:36:33.120 keep an eye on Giant Bomb. We got some fun 3425 02:36:33.159 --> 02:36:34.799 stuff coming up. I don't know if it'll be announced 3426 02:36:34.799 --> 02:36:36.399 by that time. This episode goes up, but we've got 3427 02:36:36.399 --> 02:36:41.639 some Marathon Subdrive type stuff coming up very soon and 3428 02:36:42.159 --> 02:36:44.239 that's gonna be a very fun show. So yeah, Giant 3429 02:36:44.239 --> 02:36:45.559 bomb good stuff there. 3430 02:36:46.440 --> 02:36:49.639 Cool. I'm just here and then I guess said October twentieth, 3431 02:36:50.280 --> 02:36:52.799 go to our Patreon page for tickets to that Smash Bros. 3432 02:36:52.799 --> 02:36:53.200 Tournament. 3433 02:36:53.239 --> 02:36:55.319 If you can be in New York on October twentieth, 3434 02:36:55.399 --> 02:36:58.200 whether you live here, whether you're nearby, come in, hang out, 3435 02:36:58.600 --> 02:37:03.639 wear fire, skip gear. Love to see it. Also, we 3436 02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:06.639 do officially now have fire Skate Merch dot Com. I 3437 02:37:06.680 --> 02:37:09.319 saw to that. I know the bit with Mary and 3438 02:37:09.360 --> 02:37:13.399 I was fun, but just now Fire skate Merch dot 3439 02:37:13.440 --> 02:37:15.000 Com should go to fourth Wall. 3440 02:37:16.879 --> 02:37:17.479 I hit enter. 3441 02:37:17.760 --> 02:37:19.879 Look at that some of our merch. Yeah, there we are. 3442 02:37:20.120 --> 02:37:22.920 Yeah yeah, fire fire Skate Merch. There's still there's a 3443 02:37:22.920 --> 02:37:26.760 lot you can get. We actually just restocked the stainless 3444 02:37:26.760 --> 02:37:29.319 steel water bottles because people were buying those even when 3445 02:37:29.319 --> 02:37:33.000 we didn't have the domain name. So go buy stuff there. 3446 02:37:33.719 --> 02:37:35.559 We like quite a lot of it. We do have 3447 02:37:35.600 --> 02:37:39.520 some new stuff on the way soon. We're finalizing some 3448 02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:41.079 of that to get ready for our Game of the 3449 02:37:41.159 --> 02:37:43.639 Year stream and Game of the Year season as we 3450 02:37:43.760 --> 02:37:47.719 like to call it. We did mention, are we well? 3451 02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:49.719 I guess we'll wait until Mary's back to like the 3452 02:37:50.000 --> 02:37:52.600 triple confirm the actual date. We have a date in mind, 3453 02:37:52.680 --> 02:37:54.520 it's gonna be. Can we say the month at least 3454 02:37:54.760 --> 02:37:56.520 because we did November last year. 3455 02:37:57.319 --> 02:37:59.879 Yeah, it's in tentative. Obviously, it's tough with all of 3456 02:37:59.879 --> 02:38:02.799 its having jobs and me also having to do a 3457 02:38:02.840 --> 02:38:05.159 game of yer stuff with my day job and everything. 3458 02:38:05.920 --> 02:38:10.719 But we are looking at early December. Yeah, it is 3459 02:38:10.799 --> 02:38:13.399 kind of what we're looking at now. Saturday, there's the TGAs, 3460 02:38:13.479 --> 02:38:17.840 there's holidays and stuff. So just will update you once 3461 02:38:17.879 --> 02:38:21.239 it's for sure, but like, we're looking at December right now. Yep. 3462 02:38:21.399 --> 02:38:24.319 Subby fire skate merch dot com, get prep for that. 3463 02:38:24.399 --> 02:38:26.879 We still have our dorky Christmas sweaters there if you 3464 02:38:26.879 --> 02:38:29.319 want to rock those. I might bring mine in Minneapolis 3465 02:38:29.319 --> 02:38:31.479 this year. We will be back at Dan Studio for that. 3466 02:38:32.479 --> 02:38:36.200 Outside of that, I think that's it. Uh, Jesse, thank 3467 02:38:36.239 --> 02:38:40.639 you so much again for joining and Dan. I don't know, 3468 02:38:40.879 --> 02:38:43.280 I don't really I'm here. I don't have anything to 3469 02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:48.079 thank you for that much beer? Sauna, Yeah, got your 3470 02:38:48.079 --> 02:38:51.600 sauna and read your fucking book, your fucking geek. Yeah, 3471 02:38:51.719 --> 02:38:52.719 like your sauna beer? 3472 02:38:53.159 --> 02:38:57.159 Yeah, beer, Well read Shotgun, your shotgun, the beer in 3473 02:38:57.200 --> 02:38:57.639 the sauna. 3474 02:38:57.760 --> 02:38:59.760 I'm gonna read Kurt Vonnegat. Will I drink a beer 3475 02:38:59.840 --> 02:39:00.239 this on? 3476 02:39:01.440 --> 02:39:03.040 I mean, what does that not sound? 3477 02:39:03.120 --> 02:39:05.760 Okay, that sounds amazing to me. All right, thank you, 3478 02:39:05.879 --> 02:39:08.920 I'm next. Next, Next, I'm gonna read Infinite Jests. Well, 3479 02:39:08.920 --> 02:39:09.959 I drink some wine. 3480 02:39:10.159 --> 02:39:14.639 I started Infinite Jests. It seems like a lot recently. No, 3481 02:39:14.920 --> 02:39:15.680 a few years ago. 3482 02:39:15.799 --> 02:39:17.239 I was gonna say, yeah, I don't do that. It's 3483 02:39:17.360 --> 02:39:20.760 Dan gets into infinite Just jesus. 3484 02:39:21.360 --> 02:39:23.079 It seems like a whole lot nobody. 3485 02:39:23.440 --> 02:39:27.760 Here's another hot take of mine. Nobody should ever read 3486 02:39:27.799 --> 02:39:31.719 Infinite Jest. I don't give a fuck what those intermittent 3487 02:39:31.760 --> 02:39:35.280 chapters add to the book. It's in the same way 3488 02:39:35.280 --> 02:39:37.719 nobody should ever fully read Moby Dick, which I did. 3489 02:39:38.639 --> 02:39:40.639 Wait a minute, no, no, no, wait, I think I'm sucked 3490 02:39:40.719 --> 02:39:43.440 up here because I was just I'm thinking of Inherent 3491 02:39:43.559 --> 02:39:44.760 Vice very. 3492 02:39:44.680 --> 02:39:47.799 Very very differently. But you can see that, you can 3493 02:39:47.840 --> 02:39:53.000 see the similar exemp. The name Thomas Pinsion. I like 3494 02:39:53.079 --> 02:39:56.239 that book Infinite Jess David Thomas Anderson. 3495 02:39:56.280 --> 02:39:58.000 One that's the one I tried to read the book 3496 02:39:58.000 --> 02:39:58.920 though that's in hair advice. 3497 02:39:58.959 --> 02:40:02.719 That's your advice, infinite just is like the stereotypical, like 3498 02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:06.680 ponytail college bro, like performing, who is that performative? 3499 02:40:06.680 --> 02:40:10.360 Now? Like uh, David Foster Wallace before I know, no, no, 3500 02:40:10.440 --> 02:40:11.360 I have not and like. 3501 02:40:11.280 --> 02:40:16.120 There's there's a half it's about tennis, because he thought like, yeah, yeah, 3502 02:40:16.159 --> 02:40:16.600 I don't know. 3503 02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:19.680 No, Mike. The last time I altogether is you. You 3504 02:40:19.760 --> 02:40:21.479 tried to make me read a book about surfing and 3505 02:40:21.520 --> 02:40:23.440 I quit reading books for like six years. 3506 02:40:23.520 --> 02:40:26.280 Barbarian Days by William Finnigan Jake Deckers this Year's Weekend 3507 02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:27.280 and agrees it's amazing. 3508 02:40:27.559 --> 02:40:29.440 I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I'm back. 3509 02:40:29.520 --> 02:40:31.120 I'm back on the book the fucking needs you to 3510 02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:34.479 do it. That was nonfiction. Now you're back on Kurt Fonnigod. 3511 02:40:34.520 --> 02:40:36.920 I'm I'm Ben Hanson. I'm just reading Kurt Fonniicain in 3512 02:40:36.959 --> 02:40:41.639 the Sun. I've never heard been handsome. Oh he's talked 3513 02:40:41.639 --> 02:40:44.879 about Breakfast Champions, Yes, Slaughterhouse five Tires Are Titan is 3514 02:40:44.920 --> 02:40:45.360 my favorite one. 3515 02:40:45.399 --> 02:40:48.799 I have a few here, Okay, hey consider me open 3516 02:40:48.840 --> 02:40:50.799 to suggestions. Now I got sonic time. 3517 02:40:50.799 --> 02:40:53.159 Now you mean you don't want to read Native Wine 3518 02:40:53.200 --> 02:40:54.040 Grapes of Italy. 3519 02:40:55.479 --> 02:40:56.000 Not again. 3520 02:40:56.520 --> 02:41:01.479 You don't want to read Seller Rat. You don't want 3521 02:41:01.479 --> 02:41:04.079 to read Making Sense of Burgundy by Matt Kramer. 3522 02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:07.559 God, my dad's waking up in a cold sweat and 3523 02:41:07.559 --> 02:41:08.120 doesn't know why. 3524 02:41:08.159 --> 02:41:10.559 You don't want to read the New French Wine Volume one, 3525 02:41:10.920 --> 02:41:12.120 the History or Volume two? 3526 02:41:12.200 --> 02:41:16.000 The Producers? Are most of those books wine books? Behind you? Yeah, 3527 02:41:16.040 --> 02:41:17.280 the whole this whole room. 3528 02:41:18.239 --> 02:41:22.159 Wait, I don't want to read wine Grapes. 3529 02:41:22.639 --> 02:41:25.520 It's so big, Jess, you can the call anytime you 3530 02:41:25.520 --> 02:41:26.520 want to know. This is great. 3531 02:41:26.520 --> 02:41:28.719 I'm learning so much. That's a big book. 3532 02:41:29.360 --> 02:41:31.680 Infinite just too many grapes. 3533 02:41:32.479 --> 02:41:34.600 Wait, wait, do you think I would like infinite jest? 3534 02:41:34.879 --> 02:41:37.399 Or that book that you're holding more this book that 3535 02:41:37.440 --> 02:41:38.719 I'm holding more? Infinite? 3536 02:41:38.879 --> 02:41:42.440 You actually learn? Yeah, you'd actually be better person for it, 3537 02:41:42.479 --> 02:41:45.440 and not just a douchebag who look at the section 3538 02:41:45.520 --> 02:41:49.719 on Pino noir just keeps going, Oh now we're talking. Uh, 3539 02:41:49.760 --> 02:41:58.760 it's not done yet. Fucking the party, all right, thank 3540 02:41:58.799 --> 02:42:02.200 you everybody for joining Episode one seventeen. We will be 3541 02:42:02.280 --> 02:42:05.280 back in a couple of weeks. And we'll be starting 3542 02:42:05.319 --> 02:42:08.520 to solidify our game of the year plans. It's been 3543 02:42:08.559 --> 02:42:10.760 a blast, it's been a good year so far. None 3544 02:42:10.799 --> 02:42:12.760 of you please ruin it or please don't ruin it. 3545 02:42:13.399 --> 02:42:17.719 Don't ruin it. But thank you again Jessic for joining, Dan, 3546 02:42:18.360 --> 02:42:20.600 thanks for joining. As always, we will see everybody in 3547 02:42:20.600 --> 02:42:22.399 a couple of weeks. Until then,