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Speaker 1: excited tonight because I have a guest and this is
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting show. Been having email conversations
Speaker 1: back and forth. Lots of great material posted online and
Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a moment. We'll get into
Speaker 1: the substance of that. But tonight I'm welcoming somebody that
Speaker 1: I'm going to refer to as why. So, like the
Speaker 1: letter why, I mean a letter why not, Like I'm
Speaker 1: asking the question why, although I'm sure I will be
Speaker 1: so why? How are you doing? Ah? Good? How are
Speaker 1: you doing great? I'm really excited to have you here?
Speaker 2: So why do we here?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's it's great, man. I've been you just as
Speaker 1: an intro. You emailed me, you send me an email
Speaker 1: about different work you had done about the connections between
Speaker 1: technocracy incorporated, zeitgeist movement and and other things, and I
Speaker 1: looked at like, man, this is great and it was
Speaker 1: just really cool to get the email from you. And
Speaker 1: we've been corresponding and I'm happy to have you on
Speaker 1: the show tonight. But before we even get to any
Speaker 1: of that, we're going to talk about that. Why don't
Speaker 1: you introduce yourself a little? Like what got you interested
Speaker 1: in doing? Yeah? Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What are you up to? What's what's going on?
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I mean, like everybody else, I've sort
Speaker 4: of seen the stuff happening with q Andon and personally,
Speaker 4: I've always been like.
Speaker 2: Four chan newser myself.
Speaker 4: So I remember when the anonymous movement started back in
Speaker 4: like two thousand and eight and like the scientology stuff,
Speaker 4: and I've kind of just observed all that stuff. Like
Speaker 4: I was at Occupy, but like I never like participated
Speaker 4: heavily and that stuff, but like I remember.
Speaker 1: Were you were in New York City Occupy.
Speaker 4: No, I was at a regional one, but I was
Speaker 4: there for like those events. I remember when like the
Speaker 4: whole Trump stuff and like Pizza Gate started. And I
Speaker 4: don't really remember when QAnon started because like I think
Speaker 4: that I wouldn't have found it interesting, so like I
Speaker 4: may have like seen it, but like the actual original
Speaker 4: posts were like not very interesting, so I didn't really
Speaker 4: follow that. But like I've kind of just observed all
Speaker 4: this stuff over the years, just kind of building up
Speaker 4: over like.
Speaker 2: Into like whatever it became.
Speaker 4: And it's all kind of centered around this anonymous stuff,
Speaker 4: this four Chan culture, and like there's so many different
Speaker 4: areas of how that is like become just like the
Speaker 4: default Internet culture by this point, and nobody.
Speaker 1: Has noticed it either, that's the thing, right, Well.
Speaker 2: They have noticed it, but they've kind of not.
Speaker 4: Like critically panalyzed what has actually happened in a way, ye, Like,
Speaker 4: because the idea is that is that it's like this
Speaker 4: leaderless group, just like things like occupy, just like other
Speaker 4: things that supposedly take this form where it's just supposed
Speaker 4: to be like a spontane thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I will say that everything you're saying, the
Speaker 1: things you say are the things that I've been through too,
Speaker 1: Like I actually kind of got involved in all this
Speaker 1: stuff around two thousand and eight myself, and all of
Speaker 1: these things you're referencing the beginnings of Anonymous, the hacker
Speaker 1: group Anonymous. I remember when that started too, and they're
Speaker 1: doing those street actions specifically against Scientology. I remember seeing
Speaker 1: people in Ohio, in downtown Columbus, Ohio, they were doing
Speaker 1: a protest down there against Scientology, and like, who are
Speaker 1: these people? What's going on? And then you know, Anonymous
Speaker 1: ended up getting to be huge, this giant hacker organization,
Speaker 1: this weird amorphous thing that had a huge role in
Speaker 1: the culture creation aspect of ant of like counter cultural
Speaker 1: Internet everything. I would say that they're kind of give
Speaker 1: at the crux of that, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So yeah, that that was what was so exciting.
Speaker 5: You sent me that email and it was all the
Speaker 5: stuff that has interested me, and I've been watching myself
Speaker 5: and this whole time. Something like I really want to
Speaker 5: do on this show is try to get to the
Speaker 5: bottom of the connections that are here, and you know, the.
Speaker 1: The side of the story that we're not seeing. We
Speaker 1: get like this public facing idea and it's almost like
Speaker 1: just one giant art project in one sense. But I'm
Speaker 1: always wondering, Okay, what's who's really behind this? What what
Speaker 1: aren't we being told? What are the connections? And then
Speaker 1: I looked at your stuff and it's it's great, man.
Speaker 1: So do we wanna Do you want to reference where
Speaker 1: you've posted your writings online? Let's do that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So my stuff it's at medium dot com slash at
Speaker 4: y h l y two f. It's supposed to be
Speaker 4: like in a non must post, so like, uh, I don't
Speaker 4: really have like a handle. But the project, the writing
Speaker 4: is called Untold q Andon Origins, So you can search
Speaker 4: untold q Andon Origins or you can go to medium
Speaker 4: dot com slash at y h L y two f.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's why I'm calling you. Why because
Speaker 1: that starts with a why. I'll also link all of
Speaker 1: this in the post at the Age of Transitions dot
Speaker 1: Com for this episode, so there'll be links to your stuff.
Speaker 1: So why don't we right now, why don't we outline
Speaker 1: what would you like? What are the topics you want
Speaker 1: to lay out right now and what would you like
Speaker 1: to uh do on this show right now?
Speaker 4: Well, I thought that we could start by talking about
Speaker 4: Elon Musk and Technocracy Incorporated.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a great start, let's just do that.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to assume that people are familiar with
Speaker 4: the fact that Elon Musk's grandfather was in this group
Speaker 4: called Technocracy Incorporated. A number of people have done articles
Speaker 4: on this, and they were like this group that wanted
Speaker 4: to replace the economy and specifically, in their words, the
Speaker 4: price system with like technologically like a controlled system of
Speaker 4: like resource management based on energy.
Speaker 2: Accounting, as they called it.
Speaker 4: So they were going to like distribute credits for people
Speaker 4: based on like the total amount of energy available.
Speaker 1: This is way back in what like the nineteen thirties, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a while ago, even on my grandfather, so
Speaker 1: this is always in the past. But nonetheless, yeah.
Speaker 4: And so actually, something I would like to point out
Speaker 4: here is that I've been paying some attention to the
Speaker 4: other movement that his grandfather was involved in, which is
Speaker 4: called social credit, and social credit is actually interestingly similar
Speaker 4: to technocracy Incorporated, and I'm starting to suspect that they
Speaker 4: may have a common origin, even though they officially do
Speaker 4: not have a common origin, And so I'd like to
Speaker 4: go into the actual origins of both of those movements.
Speaker 2: Social credit is.
Speaker 4: It's a similar ideology supposed to be like an economic
Speaker 4: theory in the category of like distributist economics, which is
Speaker 4: again it's based on the idea that the price system
Speaker 4: of money is inefficient and so that they should like
Speaker 4: replace that with a system where the government basically distributes
Speaker 4: credit for consumers to consume goods. In social credit, it's
Speaker 4: based on this idea that, like, because of automation, factories
Speaker 4: will spend less and less on labor as time goes on,
Speaker 4: and that because of that, they won't be able to
Speaker 4: pay workers, and workers won't be able to consume. But
Speaker 4: the way that it's presented is kind of like, uh,
Speaker 4: it's not exactly like a coherent economics theory according to
Speaker 4: most economists. But the thing that I find interesting is
Speaker 4: that Technocracy Inc. Was founded by a guy in New
Speaker 4: York City and Greenwich Village and his name was Howard Scott.
Speaker 4: And this guy was like a bohemian like Greenwich Village. Uh,
Speaker 4: sort of a beaten it guy, except he like pretended
Speaker 4: to be a German engineer and social Yeah basically okay, No,
Speaker 4: apparently he convinced like legitimate scientists that he was a
Speaker 4: German engineer according to our profile and Time magazine from
Speaker 4: back in the day.
Speaker 1: But wait, wait, wait, and this this, this is not
Speaker 1: a guy related to Elon Mosus somebody else.
Speaker 2: No, this is the guy who created the Technocracy Inc.
Speaker 4: In nineteen nineteen. Okay, remember that was in nineteen nineteen. Okay,
Speaker 4: now in London. That was in New York. In London.
Speaker 4: In nineteen nineteen, ar Orge Alfred Rage published the first
Speaker 4: paper on social credit, which was I think was called
Speaker 4: a Mechanical View of the Economy or a Mechanical View
Speaker 4: of Economics by H.
Speaker 2: Douglas.
Speaker 4: And so apparently these two events have nothing to do
Speaker 4: with each other. They're both in nineteen nineteen, and they're
Speaker 4: both coming out of the avant garde scene. Because Orge,
Speaker 4: his journal the New Age was like a British modernist
Speaker 4: avant guarde like magazine where they would talk about like
Speaker 4: Nietzschee and published.
Speaker 2: Like modernist and like futurist poems and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Sure, so neither of these things came out of like
Speaker 4: serious economic circles.
Speaker 2: Now, what it seems to me is that.
Speaker 4: Nineteen nineteen was immediately after the Bolshevik Revolution. That's the
Speaker 4: observation I'm making about that, Okay, And I think that
Speaker 4: if you think about that and what these movements became,
Speaker 4: the fact that they both appear apparently not in relation
Speaker 4: to each other, and then they go throughout time connecting
Speaker 4: back into these modern movements that we're talking about. Keep
Speaker 4: in mind that these two things both started immediately after
Speaker 4: the Bolshevik Revolution, Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and Rage, I know he was involved in
Speaker 1: which he had some occult initiation into what launds.
Speaker 2: As you remember, he was involved with a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: He was a theosophist.
Speaker 4: He was later a follower of Kurdjief, and he became
Speaker 4: the guy who I guess introduced Kurjief to America when he,
Speaker 4: like Kurjif, fled from the Russian Revolution. So again, consider
Speaker 4: that we were talking about Russian mystics fleeing the Russian Revolution.
Speaker 2: Because this stuff.
Speaker 4: We look in modern day, these apparent connections between Russian.
Speaker 2: Propaganda and QAnon and these mystical.
Speaker 4: Ideas that are basically being like resurrected again, And it has.
Speaker 2: Something to do with how these mystical ideas as.
Speaker 4: A kind of like reaction to an actual, real political revolution,
Speaker 4: are kind of presenting a new age revolution of the
Speaker 4: mind as like an alternative to that which gets used
Speaker 4: by the American side during the Cold War. But then
Speaker 4: after the end of the Cold War, I think it
Speaker 4: kind of shifts again, and I think that explains how
Speaker 4: this stuff gets brought into the more contemporary Rush propaganda.
Speaker 1: And this is interesting just from the outset as well,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about a cult obtuse abstract things that
Speaker 1: relate to very real Like you're saying, political and economic
Speaker 1: movements and actual historic events that everybody's aware of. But
Speaker 1: if we're talking about these weird and even secret society
Speaker 1: connections and strange art scenes and all like that, things
Speaker 1: like that, you cannot if you're trying to pin them
Speaker 1: down and understand them, it's always difficult. So that's well,
Speaker 1: I just find that fascinating.
Speaker 4: That's the function they serve is to mystify the real
Speaker 4: determinants of like real political and historical events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, this is this is great man. Okay,
Speaker 1: So from here? Where would you like to take this?
Speaker 1: From here? What do we got next? Well?
Speaker 4: That was kind of that's kind of what I've been
Speaker 4: looking at most recently and what I kind of wanted
Speaker 4: to get out. So, I mean, at this point, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you want to talk about the Venus
Speaker 4: project in Pseitgeist. Yes, I do, because okay, let's let's
Speaker 4: put all the Zeitgeist movies.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, did you mean recently in preparation Periers?
Speaker 1: You watch the There are two Zeitgeist movies, right, are there?
Speaker 1: More than he's got more than that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: God, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well he's got one that was in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Really I don't. I don't forget what is that one titled?
Speaker 1: Because there's a dendum as a second. So what is
Speaker 1: the third one?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: The third one is moving forward?
Speaker 1: Oh? I do remember that title. I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever watched it, though. What's going on with these Zeitgeist films?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Why? What do you got for us.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I guess.
Speaker 4: I guess maybe I should go from QAnon back to Zekeeist.
Speaker 1: Sure, because because the Segeist Zeitgeist, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: technocracy and technical running the society in an idealistic technocratic view,
Speaker 1: that's definitely what the Zeitgeist movement ended up advocating for.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and I can tell you why I can
Speaker 4: say this right now is that Jacques Fresco, who's the
Speaker 4: guy who created the Venus Project, was a member of
Speaker 4: Technocracy Inc.
Speaker 1: There we go, We're the reason that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you'll see if you familiarize yourself with Technocracy Inc.
Speaker 4: And you watch the Zechist movies, even the one in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty that I just watched today, he's talking about
Speaker 4: the price system, which comes from Technocracy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're using the same terminology, like the economics
Speaker 1: sort of terminology is the same.
Speaker 2: And Jack Fresco kind of changed it a little bit, Peter.
Speaker 4: Joseph, I mean, it does seem like they're kind of
Speaker 4: making it more like New Agy and even in some
Speaker 4: ways more kind of like pseudo like Lefty in a
Speaker 4: certain way.
Speaker 2: As the time goes on.
Speaker 4: Yes, but but they use the same ideas, and so.
Speaker 1: I will say for the Zeitgeist movement, what was so
Speaker 1: striking to me was you have the first Zegeist film,
Speaker 1: which was an absolute smash hit when it comes to
Speaker 1: conspiracy culture movies documentaries from the two thousands era. That
Speaker 1: was like maybe you had this change and that I
Speaker 1: would say, or probably the two and then maybe America
Speaker 1: Freedom to Fascism. Those are I break rank all them
Speaker 1: in the top three and then you could argue which
Speaker 1: ones on number one. I would say Zechgeist the movie
Speaker 1: is probably one.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I kind of wonder too because like none of
Speaker 4: them seem like they're really that good, like as movies,
Speaker 4: they're not that well put together or I mean they've
Speaker 4: got a lot of like weird uh interludes and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're unconventional. I mean personally that's what I kind
Speaker 1: of about.
Speaker 4: Really have a very good touch for that kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like it's it doesn't like flow very well to in
Speaker 4: my view, But there is an aspect to that where
Speaker 4: I think it's actually kind of like some kind of
Speaker 4: manipulative technique that you can see in there, because they're
Speaker 4: constantly switching between images of like the these like serene
Speaker 4: like landscapes and like outer space stuff, and then like
Speaker 4: there'll be like people in like a war or something
Speaker 4: and like bombs going off.
Speaker 1: Sure, got it.
Speaker 2: That's in there too.
Speaker 4: And you see that in the Vena Project movies, because
Speaker 4: the Venus Project also makes tons of movies.
Speaker 1: Okay, now see that's well, that's the point I wanted
Speaker 1: to make too, is you had the first Zeitgeist film,
Speaker 1: It was standalone. It was definitely from the conspiracy culture world.
Speaker 1: It was this countercultural force for sure, and it had
Speaker 1: an impact. But then you get a dndum come out
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden this thing that was
Speaker 1: just this movie that made you think about at least
Speaker 1: different about nine to eleven. Truth and religion and money, Right,
Speaker 1: those are the three things. Well, when the second one hits,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's like this weird added on
Speaker 1: thing of oh, gi, have you ever heard of Jacques
Speaker 1: Fresco and his Venus Project. This is the answer to
Speaker 1: all our problems.
Speaker 5: Let's listen to this guy's like, and it just always
Speaker 5: seemed like what the hell is this?
Speaker 1: Like, why are you tacking this on everything? It was
Speaker 1: just so bizarre.
Speaker 2: So it's very bizarre.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and I mean, if you guys like want
Speaker 4: like go watch like Jack Fresco movies. He has like
Speaker 4: a way of talking and like I think Peter Joseph
Speaker 4: kind of does this, but like Fresco is better.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, uh, maybe a.
Speaker 4: Little bit like what a con man does, where he
Speaker 4: kind of like jumps between topics and he's always got
Speaker 4: like little examples of stuff that he can pull out
Speaker 4: that kind of connect but they don't really to kind
Speaker 4: of make him seem like an unconventional visionary like his
Speaker 4: Both of these guys there thing is that they're like visionaries.
Speaker 1: Yes, Joseph. Joseph himself, for sure, he commands this presence
Speaker 1: that he is this guy with answers and that he
Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about. Uh, he has an intellectual
Speaker 1: presence about him and he hasn't answered every question. He's like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know this is this is what we need to do.
Speaker 1: And it definitely I don't know, it's definitely seems like
Speaker 1: he has a cultivated persona. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know really what as fast as
Speaker 4: like he was a performance, he was like a musician
Speaker 4: that we don't really know.
Speaker 1: He said, that to be able to make the film.
Speaker 1: He was a motion graphics artist and that's how he
Speaker 1: made like the graphics for the film, and so I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was probably I believe he was in New
Speaker 1: York City working as a video artist, which is believable
Speaker 1: if he made that film, That's that's how he made
Speaker 1: this thing. So I think he was probably, you know,
Speaker 1: like a freelancer kind of guy. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to any sort of affiliations with.
Speaker 4: I don't know who his video Psycheist is. The first
Speaker 4: video is presenting like new age ideas. Clearly there's the
Speaker 4: Age of Aquarius stuff is in there. I know there's
Speaker 4: other stuff like I don't know exactly what the whole
Speaker 4: like zodiac Jesus thing is associated with, but it's like
Speaker 4: some kind of like new age thing, So I don't know,
Speaker 4: he must have learned that stuff somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets into a lot of the comparative religion stuff,
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting and fascinating. And he does
Speaker 1: also credit Jordan Maxwell, which uses Jordan Maxwell's voice in
Speaker 1: that Jordan is an absolute like he's a huge voice
Speaker 1: in conspiracy culture going back decades and decades. So I
Speaker 1: don't know's there's a lot going on. It's that case.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean the stuff is interesting.
Speaker 4: I don't I didn't like watch any of those movies
Speaker 4: when they came out, so and like a lot of
Speaker 4: those older guys, I don't know anything about So.
Speaker 1: Okay, but why don't we return to Jacques Fresco, the
Speaker 1: Venus Project and you and again, Fresco was a part
Speaker 1: of Technocracy Inc. In its early days, right when he
Speaker 1: was a youth. Is that it?
Speaker 2: Well, I think for longer than that.
Speaker 4: According to one form post I found, and I don't
Speaker 4: have hard evidence of this, but I did find one
Speaker 4: post from twenty twelve all that seems like they know
Speaker 4: what they're talking about, where they're talking about how Fresco
Speaker 4: was actually being considered to take over the project after
Speaker 4: the death of Howard Scott so and also there's other
Speaker 4: people who are according to according to that post, and
Speaker 4: as well as according to other stuff I've found, there's
Speaker 4: other members of Technocracy and who ended up participating in
Speaker 4: the Venus Project.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you have so you've got the Technocracy
Speaker 1: Incorporated around the thirties. Jacques Vesco is a part of it.
Speaker 1: It's just and then he he splits, right, he splits
Speaker 1: from Technocracy Incorporated, and he starts the Venus Project back
Speaker 1: in the thirties or forties? Is that on?
Speaker 2: No, he starts the Venus Project in the nineties. So
Speaker 2: the problem, the.
Speaker 4: Difficulty with this too is there's a huge expanse of
Speaker 4: kind of like empty time, yeah, where we don't really
Speaker 4: know what was going on.
Speaker 1: What was what was Presco doing professionally for all those years?
Speaker 1: What what what was he doing?
Speaker 4: He's like an architect and like Himnist partner Roxanne Meadows,
Speaker 4: they're both architects, I think, and they did like contract
Speaker 4: like architecture work.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think they like.
Speaker 2: Kind of like invented and sold designs for some stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe sure, I'm assuming that I remember all of the
Speaker 1: weird vision drawings of what the perfect society was going
Speaker 1: to be in Zeitgeist attendum. I just imagine Fresco they're
Speaker 1: making those or certainly putting a part in that. So
Speaker 1: I don't know the architecture. Futuristic architecture played a big
Speaker 1: part in those visuals.
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and so it's clearly that must come from Buckminster.
Speaker 1: Fuller, right, Okay, Yeah, I know about mister fuller. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: geodesic dome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because fresco stuff doesn't look exactly like that, but
Speaker 4: it's like the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, futurism, cybernetics, right, testing this that sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean when you look.
Speaker 4: At the recent twenty twenty moving by Peter Joseph, which
Speaker 4: is called inter Reflections that I just watched, it's talking
Speaker 4: about like how to like stabilize the capitalist system. Basically,
Speaker 4: it's kind of weird because he's really presenting it as
Speaker 4: like an anti capitalist thing, yes, but he's also talking
Speaker 4: in terms of like cybernetic like systems theory and like
Speaker 4: the fact that we need to like stabilize the system
Speaker 4: of like the resource consumption, which is like neither of
Speaker 4: those are like that's not necessarily a bad thing, but
Speaker 4: it is kind of like an like I kind of
Speaker 4: doing this stuff as like an alternate form of like
Speaker 4: anti capitalism, where it's kind of like presenting itself as
Speaker 4: like wanting to destroy the system, but at the same
Speaker 4: time it's actually like a set of techniques of stabilizing
Speaker 4: this system. Because that's like what the cybernetics stuff is
Speaker 4: developed during the Cold War as a means of stabilizing
Speaker 4: the capitalist system so that it doesn't end up in
Speaker 4: like a communist revolution, like that is what the cybernetics
Speaker 4: people were doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's it's.
Speaker 4: Like all that stuff is kind of chuxtaposed and supposed
Speaker 4: to be like presented as the same thing in this
Speaker 4: sort of group of movements that Zeigeist is a part
Speaker 4: of that are supposed to be like anti capitalist, but
Speaker 4: also not like actually like Marxist or anything.
Speaker 1: So I find it's fascinating because it's philosophically schizophrenic, which
Speaker 1: ties directly into conspiracy culture, because if you're talking about
Speaker 1: conspiracy world, yeah, that's what you're dealing with. You're you're
Speaker 1: like all over the place. It's like, wait, mine, what
Speaker 1: do we believe here?
Speaker 2: What's the letter?
Speaker 1: Where are we being led? What's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So it tracks right well yeah, oh okay, so we've
Speaker 1: we've dealt with technocracy Incorporated Jacques Fresco. Fresco, he breaks
Speaker 1: off and then he ends up with this Venus Project stuff.
Speaker 1: There's new Age ideas, there's lefty sort of ideas, but
Speaker 1: there's also this new economic cybernetic system that we're promoting,
Speaker 1: and clearly the Zekeeist movement was about that. Do we
Speaker 1: want to talk at all about the anonymous movement if
Speaker 1: we're talking about technology and the use of Internet, let's just.
Speaker 2: Run all the way up to Q and on I'll
Speaker 2: do okay, all right, let's do it. Okay.
Speaker 4: So the Venus Project and Zekeeist workind of like blowing
Speaker 4: up in Well, it must have been before Occupy really
Speaker 4: because they were big and like when was like I said,
Speaker 4: end them, like two thousand and eight. I think that
Speaker 4: it was before twenty eleven because moving Forward was in
Speaker 4: twenty eleven. So and actually that is an interesting fact
Speaker 4: is that some of this stuff was going on just
Speaker 4: in the years just leading.
Speaker 2: Up to Occupy. Okay, in twenty ten.
Speaker 4: Is when sort of the anonymous hacking stuff started to
Speaker 4: pick up and wiki leaks over twenty ten and twenty
Speaker 4: eleven was all these like activist attacks in defensive wiki
Speaker 4: leaks on the part of anonymous and Lowell sec.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: So occupied, Yeah, the idea of white hat hackers, right,
Speaker 1: like that the hackers are the good guys.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't even think these were these would be
Speaker 4: considered white hat. I think they would still be maybe
Speaker 4: cret had white hat or like when they're working for
Speaker 4: the security industry.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, you're right, you got me there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just yep. So these are the these are
Speaker 1: the outlaw rogue guys that coming from the grassroots that
Speaker 1: they're going to fix the system, and the white hat
Speaker 1: would be yeah, the guys that were recruited by the
Speaker 1: system itself got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And actually a lot of this stuff comes well,
Speaker 4: at least it kind of comes from the actual distinction
Speaker 4: between the white hat and the black hat thing, which
Speaker 4: happened as the internet security industry was developing, and like
Speaker 4: the some of the hackers felt that, like the other
Speaker 4: ones shouldn't be selling out and so that they should
Speaker 4: like sort of become insurgent basically, and these ones were
Speaker 4: allied with anonymous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fascinating because it's kind of like the backstory.
Speaker 1: And sure surely there was message board upon message board
Speaker 1: where they're debating all this stuff, right like who hackers,
Speaker 1: like what's going.
Speaker 4: Yea, what groups and all this on IRC and like
Speaker 4: hacker eazines and the hacker conventions and that stuff is
Speaker 4: all very closely tied with the early anonymous stuff. So anyways,
Speaker 4: occupy what happened in late twenty eleven. Now, in mid
Speaker 4: twenty eleven, there was a website for the Anonymous Movement, which,
Speaker 4: of course there's no such thing as like an official
Speaker 4: anonymous website, but this was supposed to be a website
Speaker 4: for the anonymous movement and it was called what is
Speaker 4: dash Theeplan dot org. You can find that on the
Speaker 4: Wayback Machine. And this was about something that they called
Speaker 4: the Plan, which was a three stage plan, the actual
Speaker 4: content of which was not very clear, but it was
Speaker 4: some kind of like leaderless anonymous activist thing that was
Speaker 4: going to like enlighten everybody basically. And the thing is
Speaker 4: that's what ended up becoming the Plan in QAnon.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, trust to the Plan. So even the same
Speaker 1: verbiage once again, it translates and it continues onward. We're
Speaker 1: using the same terminology.
Speaker 4: Yes, And so the connection to the Venus Project is
Speaker 4: that there was a lot of discussion of the Venus
Speaker 4: Project on this site, and the Venus Project actually has
Speaker 4: a page where they had discussed a quote the Plan
Speaker 4: where they use the header what is the Plan? They
Speaker 4: present a plan which is formatted in the exact same
Speaker 4: manner where it says Phase one phase two, phase three,
Speaker 4: but the actual content is different.
Speaker 2: But if you actually look at these pages, I feel
Speaker 2: like you'll agree that there has to be some common okay.
Speaker 1: And this was in twenty eleven that of the Anonymous
Speaker 1: what Is the Planned site comes out? Was was the
Speaker 1: Venus Project site at the same time or the.
Speaker 4: Venus Project had that content on it as early as
Speaker 4: like the mid two thousands.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so they would have predated Anonymous.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I mean Anonymous itself goes back in different
Speaker 4: incarnations as well. So the specific importance of this what
Speaker 4: Is the Plan is that it's a predecessor to QAnon
Speaker 4: and it connects to the Venus Project.
Speaker 1: What is what Is the Plan? Is a message board site?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's what it is?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, no, there you go, there's there's that. So it
Speaker 1: is the same format as qnon it's a message board.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, it's a different kind of message board. But
Speaker 4: there was content on that site which is extremely disturbing
Speaker 4: and a cult kind of like game, sort of like
Speaker 4: what they call an alternate reality game. And this this content,
Speaker 4: if you examine it, and if you examine the QAnon memes,
Speaker 4: you know they use the same idea of the plan.
Speaker 4: They use the same idea of meme magic. They're talking
Speaker 4: about teaching anonymous to engage in chaos magic to I
Speaker 4: guess to sort of like again enlighten people in some
Speaker 4: vague way.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'll just say, Chuck, I saw your message,
Speaker 1: and answer is yes, you can jump in here if
Speaker 1: you care too. Great.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, Aaron, because I wanted to ask your
Speaker 7: guests about something because I got into this, you know,
Speaker 7: Zeitgeist thing some years back, and I thought.
Speaker 1: It was a great idea. And then I saw the
Speaker 1: Jacques Fresco thing and I said.
Speaker 7: Hmm, you know, like I understand the efficiency scientific nature
Speaker 7: of it, and I absolutely agree that there's enough resources
Speaker 7: on the planet actually for everyone, whether we know it
Speaker 7: or not. And it's all about scarcity. It's a controlled scarcity.
Speaker 7: This is how we are literally manipulated society to society.
Speaker 7: And I thought that was an excellent and perfect observation.
Speaker 7: But I started to see the managed cities and everything else,
Speaker 7: and I said, well, there's kind of a use for that.
Speaker 7: And then I went to the Zeitgeist site and I
Speaker 7: went to the Menis Project site and I.
Speaker 1: Joined So here's the thing. I'm not a typical follower,
Speaker 1: but I joined to explore and see what it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't see chaos magic.
Speaker 7: I didn't see a lot of stuff going on back
Speaker 7: in twenty let's say.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine to twenty twelve. But it got weird.
Speaker 1: And then there was this whole thing about Jack Fresco.
Speaker 7: Maybe he's dead, maybe he's not, you know, Jack Fresco,
Speaker 7: Jack Prescott, whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he was like one hundred years old
Speaker 4: at some point, so I'm pretty sure he died like
Speaker 4: around like when they said he did.
Speaker 2: He couldn't possibly live much longer.
Speaker 1: And I knew Jordan Maxwell, and so Daron. You know,
Speaker 1: to some degree, we.
Speaker 7: Both you know, we weren't like his best buddies or anything. Well,
Speaker 7: he was angry at the Zeitgeist people. Let's be honest,
Speaker 7: because although they spread his message quite a bit in parts,
Speaker 7: they also adopted a lot of things from them, used footage,
Speaker 7: all kinds of stuff, and just like a whole lot
Speaker 7: of other people out there on the Internet, didn't pay him.
Speaker 2: They used footage from Aaron.
Speaker 1: No, No, okay, I'm saying that Aaron and I both knew
Speaker 1: Jordan on some level, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7: And I worked with Jordan quite a while. I did
Speaker 7: that Dogmatic Theology series a lot of people have seen.
Speaker 7: It's one of the longest series ever done with him.
Speaker 7: The point is, and I was friendly with him personally,
Speaker 7: but but not you know, it wasn't a close friends
Speaker 7: but he was angry about that whole thing. And there
Speaker 7: was a whole weird dimension to how there was a
Speaker 7: lot of other people's work hijacked, and at some point
Speaker 7: there was esoteric people that came in there. So my
Speaker 7: question for you is, was there a time period when
Speaker 7: this was not as nefarious as it's starting to sound
Speaker 7: coming from you, and it transitioned into this other thing
Speaker 7: that was opportunistic and weird because it got it started
Speaker 7: to get very weird for people trying to interact with
Speaker 7: me from the Venus Project website, and I personally walked
Speaker 7: away from it because of it.
Speaker 1: But that's like twenty thirteen.
Speaker 7: When I said, you know what, no more. I don't
Speaker 7: want to know nothing from you people at all. I
Speaker 7: liked the movie still, but you can keep this. Was
Speaker 7: it around then or was it before then?
Speaker 1: Or was it always there?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I would be curious to know
Speaker 4: more about what was going on with them around twenty
Speaker 4: thirteen and twenty fourteen, because at that point you're starting
Speaker 4: to lead into sort of modern Trump QAnon era.
Speaker 2: But as to your question, I would say, no, there
Speaker 2: was no point at which it.
Speaker 4: Was less weird, because if Venus Project comes from Technocracy, Inc.
Speaker 4: Then then that's where it came from. That and Technocracy Inc.
Speaker 4: Is any less weird as far as the actual ideas
Speaker 4: seeming to be plausible. I mean, the way I would
Speaker 4: address that is that it's kind of a fundamental political
Speaker 4: problem that the distribution of resources is. You know that
Speaker 4: there's scarcity. I wouldn't say it's artificial scarcity, though, it's
Speaker 4: an absolute, real scarcity, and the solution to that is
Speaker 4: pretty much the entire purpose of politics and economics. So
Speaker 4: when you see something like Zeitgeist or the Venus Project
Speaker 4: where they're presenting basically nothing other than images of a
Speaker 4: utopia that is almost having nothing to do with any
Speaker 4: solution to the problem. The problem is solved with politics
Speaker 4: and economics, and the Venus Project their model was beyond politics,
Speaker 4: poverty and war.
Speaker 2: They think that.
Speaker 4: Politics itself is pointless and so the reason why it's
Speaker 4: weird is completely tied up with the fact that they
Speaker 4: presented in that manner, even though some of the things
Speaker 4: they say, of course are true, and that there's exploitation
Speaker 4: in the system, and even I'm not even trying to
Speaker 4: say that that the fact that I view it as
Speaker 4: a kind of like bizarro version of like Marxism or
Speaker 4: something doesn't mean that I even think that Marxism would
Speaker 4: be like better, because we know that communist societies have
Speaker 4: also been just as bad in that respect. So still
Speaker 4: with this kind of it's kind of utopian thing where
Speaker 4: they just present the solution, or maybe they just present
Speaker 4: the problem and then they just present what the.
Speaker 2: Solution would look like after it was.
Speaker 4: Solved, but they don't actually deal with what would be
Speaker 4: the actual process of solving it, and that is kind
Speaker 4: of why it is weird.
Speaker 7: Well, here's the funny thing to me, I'm just gonna
Speaker 7: say this and I'm gonna get off.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up any more of your time.
Speaker 1: But this is the beautiful thing to me.
Speaker 7: I totally oppose what you say about the resources and
Speaker 7: totally agree with the idea of that being the solution
Speaker 7: is redistribution and reimagining of the system. But here's the
Speaker 7: thing I felt apart from it, not just because of
Speaker 7: the weirdness, but because of the lack of Okay, how
Speaker 7: do you go from the current predatory system to this?
Speaker 7: And that was my question on the hopeful side, thinking, see,
Speaker 7: I'm not somebody who is all enamored with capitalism necessarily.
Speaker 7: I'm not somebody who's enamored with the current system.
Speaker 1: I'm not a qa non guy. I'm a weird, weird
Speaker 1: one here, okay.
Speaker 7: And the thing is, I'd love to see the redistribution.
Speaker 7: I believe it's possible, and I do believe that scarcity
Speaker 7: is artificially manufactured.
Speaker 1: And manipulate it.
Speaker 7: So, but yet you and I are coming to the
Speaker 7: same problem here. It seems like where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 7: that's great, here's your problem.
Speaker 1: Sure we'll agree in some part on that, here's your solution.
Speaker 1: Let's just say I buy that.
Speaker 7: Where's your bridge between the two? And that was my
Speaker 7: issue with even the people inside the Penis project, was like,
Speaker 7: you don't have that, do you, No matter what you
Speaker 7: show on a film, and that's great and that feels good, you.
Speaker 1: Don't have that, And I wanted it.
Speaker 7: You know, you might be averse to it. I was
Speaker 7: friendly to it. And still we have the same problem where.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, don't worry. The end of the
Speaker 1: world's coming. Okay, yeah eventually, you know, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: So anyway, I just I wonder what you think about
Speaker 7: that that somebody who might have a completely different world
Speaker 7: view still saw the same issue I think with the
Speaker 7: bridge between problem and solution.
Speaker 4: Where's you real I'm not sure that we really do
Speaker 4: have a different worldview.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe not. It just sounded like that to me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 7: That's anyway, I'll shut up. Thank you Aaron for allowing
Speaker 7: me to get in there. But it's just you have
Speaker 7: a guest here that personally hits something that I do
Speaker 7: know a little bit about.
Speaker 1: Was in on for a minute, and well they for
Speaker 1: different jerasons, I think.
Speaker 2: But some videos of.
Speaker 4: Like, uh, just drama related to the Venus Project that
Speaker 4: I have to watch. That's just like from people who
Speaker 4: are arguing about like stuff that was going on inside it.
Speaker 2: So that stuff is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's I will say, that's with any of this
Speaker 1: sort of thing. You got that, but that's the sort
Speaker 1: of stuff you never hear as well. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's fascinating, but yeah, this this is I'll just
Speaker 1: briefly speak to it as well. It just seemed absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, you did present the problem. Now the
Speaker 1: solution is the things that me personally am very skeptical of,
Speaker 1: like this high technology and this beard a literal technocracy.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to make that and we're going to live
Speaker 1: in this weird transhumanist automated society that's somehow going to
Speaker 1: give us everything and expect nothing from us. It's like, yeah, okay, well,
Speaker 1: how's that going to appear? It's not.
Speaker 8: But anyway, well, I think it's very difficult because the
Speaker 8: kind of solutions that are proposed there, Like I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't think that they're really supposed to be serious solutions.
Speaker 4: They're serving a function in discourse, and in order to
Speaker 4: understand what function they're serving, we have to understand who's behind.
Speaker 2: It, basically on some basic level.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think that the answer to that is
Speaker 4: very complex because of the fact that it's sort of
Speaker 4: intertwined with the history of the Cold War, and we
Speaker 4: go all the way back to stuff like social credit
Speaker 4: and technocracy, Inc. Which seemed to perhaps start as some
Speaker 4: kind of syop after the Bolshevik Revolution to present a
Speaker 4: kind of like other kind of socialism that and then
Speaker 4: we get through the Cold War. This stuff is used
Speaker 4: by the American government. This is why you see these
Speaker 4: same kind of like mystical ideas around, like even stuff
Speaker 4: like then the hippie culture and all that, like weird.
Speaker 2: Scenes in the canyon stuff.
Speaker 4: Yes, and then in our time we see it as
Speaker 4: Russian propaganda again because I guess after the Cold War ended,
Speaker 4: Russia's no longer socialist, perhaps they re attached themselves to
Speaker 4: some of these mystical movements, and then now they're the
Speaker 4: ones presenting the new world again, because the liberal world
Speaker 4: is the old world and the sort of bricks like
Speaker 4: Alexander Dugan world is like the new world now or
Speaker 4: the New Age or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. It's fascinating to me to see that
Speaker 1: we're dealing Quite to me, it's obvious that we're dealing
Speaker 1: with a propaganda psychological war. You're describing that. If we're
Speaker 1: really paying attention to this, you can go back decades, decades,
Speaker 1: a century, and it's the same story. There's the same connections.
Speaker 1: There's this weird East West thing going on also fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean when you look at these types of occultism
Speaker 4: like Madam Bleovatski and Kerjief and all this stuff, they're
Speaker 4: totally concerned with like the Europe and Europe's ideas about
Speaker 4: the East and the Russian question of whether Russia is
Speaker 4: going to be part of Europe or whether like there's
Speaker 4: some kind of like superior Eastern like look that's like
Speaker 4: more mystical and stuff. And then even the Nazis like
Speaker 4: incorporated some of that where it's like they were looking
Speaker 4: towards the East, and then like the Hipbies did the
Speaker 4: same thing, and then you had the actual Easterned Communists,
Speaker 4: so then that turned everything upside down. So but yeah,
Speaker 4: it's absolutely some kind of like East West thing. And
Speaker 4: now today you've got Alexander Dugan.
Speaker 1: So, yes, Dugan. And what's Dugan's affiliation with the Orthodox Church?
Speaker 1: Was he officially affiliated with him or is he just
Speaker 1: advocating for it as like the greatest religion ever. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what that is. I don't really know for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like he was almost like a bishop or something.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't say I can't think so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna yeah right, He's just kind of saying, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Eastern Orthodox this is the way, and look at corrupt
Speaker 1: Western look at the destruction of Western civilization. If they
Speaker 1: were only more like us and are awesome Eastern Orthodox Church,
Speaker 1: then you know they won't be falling into decadence and
Speaker 1: destroying themselves. But you know, yep, and there was a thing.
Speaker 4: There's a thing I saw that said Elon Musk had
Speaker 4: some like family members who were involved in like Russian
Speaker 4: monarchist organizations.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That might have been like completely fake, but that would
Speaker 4: also be interesting because the whole technocracy thing, the aside
Speaker 4: from everything else that I've been talking about, is the
Speaker 4: connection to Elon Musk and the fact that Musk seems
Speaker 4: to be enacting parts of technocracy even though he might
Speaker 4: be out of power or something, but he'll be back anyway.
Speaker 1: Musk reminds me of the guy who set up was
Speaker 1: it the guy which which one of them that you're
Speaker 1: starting at the very beginning? Was it the social credit guy?
Speaker 1: That was this guy pretending he was a German.
Speaker 4: He was a guy who set up technocracy and Coward Scott. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and Musk does seem like that guy, like he's yeah,
Speaker 4: supposedly he's like actually a real engineer, but like it
Speaker 4: seems like that might be kind of questionable whether Elon
Speaker 4: Musk is actually an engineer or not, or even like
Speaker 4: whether his great companies and inventions have actually.
Speaker 2: Been like legitimate, like or I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's obvious with Musk is that he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's taking credit for all of this stuff
Speaker 1: that he absolutely himself had nothing really to do with
Speaker 1: creating it, but he wants you and his public image
Speaker 1: requires that you believe that he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if.
Speaker 1: You look at it, if you look at.
Speaker 2: Musk, and like.
Speaker 4: Right now, it's it might be hard to imagine that
Speaker 4: something like the Venus Project would be connected to Elon
Speaker 4: Musk because like he's considered to be a right wing
Speaker 4: libertarian and the Venus Project is supposed to be like
Speaker 4: some kind of utopian leftist thing.
Speaker 2: But Elon Musk when he first came out was.
Speaker 4: Much more in that like image of like an environmentalist,
Speaker 4: and he was producing his cars that were going to
Speaker 4: be like flying cars or whatever. Just imagine, like look
Speaker 4: at the designs of the Tesla stuff and then look
Speaker 4: at like Jack Fresco's paintings and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like the same image.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's techno utopian. It's a techno utopian and left
Speaker 1: leaning egalitarian idealist concept. Is what absolutely Elon Musk gross
Speaker 1: a prominence for that. Well with that, and you.
Speaker 2: Got money for that from the government, I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, from the US government in the early days.
Speaker 2: Is that what we got subsidies right for all the
Speaker 2: green stuff?
Speaker 1: So yep.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that could possibly be inorganic.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't seem like that would be like
Speaker 4: a conspiracy, But it's also kind of hard to imagine
Speaker 4: how that could happen anyway, that you could make all
Speaker 4: this money by like not actually producing anything just because
Speaker 4: of energy subsidies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, Well it's all about the big government contracts
Speaker 1: for him, as they're saying, it always has been, definitely
Speaker 1: is now that's why he's all in on the current administration,
Speaker 1: which we haven't even touched on this yet, but the
Speaker 1: whole time in with the current Trump regime is that
Speaker 1: it rose to prominence out of this weird internet countercultural
Speaker 1: stew Is that generally correct?
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that, why, absolutely, Well, in order
Speaker 2: to get to that, we got to talk about wiki leaks.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I'm gonna stop you there, not because I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear this, but I will just mention
Speaker 1: that we're getting toward the end of the show, but
Speaker 1: we're not there yet. We still have probably like ten minutes,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna keep going. But I will say before
Speaker 1: we going further, like, I would love to have you
Speaker 1: back on the show, and because I know we're only
Speaker 1: gonna get so far as it's gonna be how it
Speaker 1: is today, are you open to coming back on the
Speaker 1: show another time and continuing a conversation. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: we'll just tentatively plan that. But I'm sorry, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean stop you continue as you are.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure how I should describe it, because
Speaker 4: I don't think I have enough time, but I was
Speaker 4: just gonna say WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks is also connected to all this.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, so yeah, how do they fit into this scheme?
Speaker 4: Well, again, it's it's hard to describe.
Speaker 2: I mean, only back to twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: That was the first year when WikiLeaks was big, was
Speaker 4: like twenty ten or twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Okay, that same general time period that we're talking about
Speaker 1: with that what the plan stuff was popping.
Speaker 2: Up then, right, Yeah, an anonymous was hacking people on
Speaker 2: behalf of Wiki leaks.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're back there. We're back in the online
Speaker 1: hacker sphere. Yeah, so we're back there again. At the
Speaker 1: same period of time, no less.
Speaker 4: Twenty sixteen, Wiki Leaks releases the Podesta emails, and this
Speaker 4: content from those leaks is used to create the piece
Speaker 4: of gate conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that stuff.
Speaker 4: I would say that stuff pushed Trump over the finish
Speaker 4: line in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: It's plausible.
Speaker 1: It definitely helped. I agree with you one hundred percent
Speaker 1: that it absolutely was a part of his clandestine messaging.
Speaker 1: That's the weird thing with this, too, is that a
Speaker 1: president can rise to prominence on these ideas and sort
Speaker 1: of there's this weird plausible deniability where he's still mainstream,
Speaker 1: he's a president, but he absolutely is exploiting all this
Speaker 1: countercultural stuff at the same time. Fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I could describe the connection in my article.
Speaker 4: I would say you got to just read my article
Speaker 4: on WikiLeaks for that. It's called the WikiLeaks, the Magic Mirror,
Speaker 4: and the abyss at medium dot com, slash at y
Speaker 4: h L Y two F. I will say that on
Speaker 4: October thirtieth of twenty sixteen, WikiLeaks posts this message about
Speaker 4: quote unquote phase three and that they're going to do something. However,
Speaker 4: it's never clear what they're talking about, and it never happens. However,
Speaker 4: I believe that that message connects to the rest of
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 1: So it connects. So I before that, what is the plan?
Speaker 1: Had the phases? The three phases? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That had the same thing, Okay, I think that, and
Speaker 4: it was used in other anonymous movements as well.
Speaker 1: Got it, and wiki leaks up to this point had
Speaker 1: not even referenced any phase one or two. They just
Speaker 1: know say phase three.
Speaker 2: Is that what I think they may or may not
Speaker 2: have I'm not sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, nonetheless, I mean it's the same verbiage as
Speaker 1: we keep talking about, which is I think relevant and interesting.
Speaker 4: Wikili's also did other stuff to further the seth Rich conspiracy,
Speaker 4: which has connections into all of this. If you look
Speaker 4: at the people who are promoting the seth Rich I
Speaker 4: mean people like do you remember like George Webb and
Speaker 4: Jason Goodman.
Speaker 1: I know the names by honestly can't remember who they are.
Speaker 4: There's so many people who just appeared during that time period,
Speaker 4: and now that it's actually become history, there's so much
Speaker 4: about like weird stuff that went on with those people.
Speaker 1: Okay, such as do you have anything quick, I'll.
Speaker 2: Just say read my article?
Speaker 1: Okay, very fair, very fair. Okay, so this I've look again,
Speaker 1: we're towards the end of the show, so I think
Speaker 1: what we're going to do is just start wrapping up.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to say that you're open to coming
Speaker 1: back on the show. I definitely want to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to also let listeners know once again, I'm
Speaker 1: going to link your material on at the Age of Transitions,
Speaker 1: so the links will be to that and very much
Speaker 1: encourage them to read your stuff. We haven't even got
Speaker 1: into that trielectics business either. We'll do that at a
Speaker 1: later date. Just a quick question on triealectics. Is that
Speaker 1: something you found that's not something that's not something you
Speaker 1: developed yourself? Is it that something you came across? Right?
Speaker 2: No, well, I mean it's pretty much something that I
Speaker 2: developed myself.
Speaker 1: Really, so that's like an ontology that you created, that
Speaker 1: whole thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's inspirations of it, but as the
Speaker 4: authorship of it would be, it's original.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: I was looking. I looked at that, and you're mentioning
Speaker 1: how it had connections to alchemy. I absolutely see that,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that another time too. I'm impressed
Speaker 1: by that. I want to really thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on the show tonight. Man. You're you're you're like you're
Speaker 1: like a kindred spirit. Man. I really enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad this is one.
Speaker 4: Of the best plays I could have come on to
Speaker 4: talk about this because you're familiar with the stuff, but
Speaker 4: you're also add enough of a distance from it. Because
Speaker 4: there's so many people who are sort of in the
Speaker 4: Truther scene but that actually did get sucked into this stuff. Yes,
Speaker 4: and now like some of them are still around, but
Speaker 4: they're still like affected by the fact that they were
Speaker 4: sucked into all this.
Speaker 1: That's another thing that I see as like almost I
Speaker 1: don't want to say a sickness or disease, but it's
Speaker 1: something going on that like really rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's so many people that have been involved
Speaker 1: in this and I have, but I've purposely removed myself.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a part of any of
Speaker 1: that because I can see it.
Speaker 2: Was the thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah, Yeah, that's so again. I
Speaker 1: like we're on the same page here. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun on the show. We're going to continue this.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to talk about. It's huge where I
Speaker 1: don't know how much we're gonna get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of what, but we're gonna do what we can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't focus on something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we will. Well, when we come into the
Speaker 1: next show, we'll start out with whether it be trialactics
Speaker 1: or wiki leaks or whatever the topic may be. We'll
Speaker 1: we'll start from there and we'll go from there. But tonight,
Speaker 1: would you want to stand for the Uncle Show? Do
Speaker 1: you want to get going? You'll stay? Okay, awesome, all right,
Speaker 1: so stay on the line and and yeah, we'll just
Speaker 1: kick our feetback and relax and kind of goof around
Speaker 1: with the Uncle Show. Thank you. That's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: And then before we do that, why don't you just
Speaker 1: once again, I'm gonna give you the links, But once again,
Speaker 1: where is the place where we can find your writings?
Speaker 4: It's a medium dot com slash at y h L
Speaker 4: Y two F or you can just search for untold
Speaker 4: Q and on origins.
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Speaker 1: Y are listening to you? Uncle? The broadcast? My name
Speaker 1: is Eron Nephew lawa hear me is the start show?
Speaker 20: Uncle and gentlemen, I believe this is three hundred and
Speaker 20: seventy four or seventy five.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but hey, we am I believe we
Speaker 1: haven't you know? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you're you're right, uncle.
Speaker 1: It is three seventy four live on the hl Radio
Speaker 1: network Friday night. As long as we are taking calls,
Speaker 1: you may call in tonight and we do have a
Speaker 1: guess the number. Yeah, the number if you want to
Speaker 1: call three one nine five two seven five ZII one
Speaker 1: six and it's called on number. Hello. Why I believe
Speaker 1: his name is and your on the E friend? What
Speaker 1: do we have to talk about?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Don't you guys have something?
Speaker 1: Well? I will start by letting uncle know that. Previously
Speaker 1: in Government Hour, my show, I interviewed Why. We had
Speaker 1: a very long conversation about strange governmental craziness, and we
Speaker 1: talked about you've never seen the zeitgeist films? Have your uncle?
Speaker 1: You don't know what zeitgeist is? I'm well, anyway, we're
Speaker 1: talking about crazy stuff, basically, the the absolute peak of
Speaker 1: conspiracy content.
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff. You know, it got as weird
Speaker 2: as it could possibly get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So these are all things that I myself am
Speaker 1: interested in, uncle, But why was nice enough to stick
Speaker 1: around for your uncle show? And now we're all hanging out.
Speaker 1: We're just having a good time. So this is like
Speaker 1: the after show for Government Hour. We're in the green room.
Speaker 1: Uncle's here, so we're just enjoying ourselves on a nice
Speaker 1: Friday evening.
Speaker 13: Yeah, we can talk about anything we want to talk about.
Speaker 13: So it's one of those things. Were got into this
Speaker 13: baseball asked week. We did, we did, and I got
Speaker 13: show down missus sights side kick John.
Speaker 21: I'm watching a baseball game. You got in trouble the
Speaker 21: Mets and uh and Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Okay, just because it was I just wanted to hear it,
Speaker 1: she says.
Speaker 12: Did you know.
Speaker 1: Kind of these things are happening? I can't watch the
Speaker 1: sports draws? Well, I this on this on this stuff
Speaker 1: that they got set up. It's ridiculous. It's a problem.
Speaker 1: It is a big problem. But we might have been
Speaker 1: getting charged to watch that game. Oh yeah, yeah, something
Speaker 1: about it's not the old days anymore. Uncle, you don't
Speaker 1: just turn on the TV and the baseball games. Now
Speaker 1: you might be getting charged. Yeah, I see what happened. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 20: Now you know now that that now we're used to
Speaker 20: do senery baseball. We get to watch something and then
Speaker 20: all of a sudden, this time pay Okay, who's the
Speaker 20: heck is.
Speaker 1: Going along with the baseball? This is book.
Speaker 7: It's not just baseball, uncle, Everything is now going to
Speaker 7: You gotta pay us, You gotta pay us, you gotta pass.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you that's why people like you and me,
Speaker 7: if we want to check out a baseball game, we
Speaker 7: better just pull out our old radios, because.
Speaker 1: That's the only way we're gonna get it for free
Speaker 1: is out of the air. You ain't get it.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 9: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't even he I didn't even know.
Speaker 20: My cousin tells me to watch the Mets play. Okay,
Speaker 20: so I figured, well, I'm gonna go watch the Mets play.
Speaker 20: And then I get shann an, you do this to
Speaker 20: do game?
Speaker 1: What is going on here? You signed taught to him? Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him, I can't see a baseball game anymore.
Speaker 1: If you signed up that yeah, if you sign up
Speaker 1: for the wrong baseball thing, uncle, that might be one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. I mean, seriously, there's only that one game
Speaker 1: I wanted to see, I know, but you can't shown
Speaker 1: at one game. It sounds like one game. You never
Speaker 1: know what you're committing to. That's the descriptions.
Speaker 6: You buy one.
Speaker 1: Fill'll just go to our guests here. Now, why does
Speaker 1: this make you think of anything? All these weird bi
Speaker 1: like online you guys like that, got.
Speaker 2: Any opinions answers? Just go to the piracy website.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 7: I try to do stuff like that, and I have
Speaker 7: friends who helped me out on occasions, so I can
Speaker 7: see things.
Speaker 1: But maybe work I should be here. No, I hear
Speaker 1: why are you there? You see now they don't hear us?
Speaker 2: Why here anymore?
Speaker 1: We are being heard. I'm not sure what happened here.
Speaker 1: I'm not going on with you. Why I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: It's like, hold on, maybe can you hear you? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I hear you. I hear your chuck. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're back. Yeah, you keep crazing, Aaron, you get I
Speaker 1: hear you. I hear Aaron.
Speaker 7: We were having a whole conversation me and why over here,
Speaker 7: and you're you're able to talking over us because you
Speaker 7: can't hear nothing. That's the second time you cut off
Speaker 7: your tell sidekick to stop cutting off the headphones there, Uncle,
Speaker 7: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Want his headphone. I mean the headphones they're off the headpone.
Speaker 1: But whatever's doing here, don't turn off the headphones and
Speaker 1: so on. It's how can you understand what's going on?
Speaker 9: Goop turnings?
Speaker 1: No, not not turn off the headphones. Stop turning off
Speaker 1: the headphones.
Speaker 9: Uncle, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, So back to where we were. Why even though
Speaker 1: the listeners heard us, but you know, Aaron didn't and
Speaker 1: neither did Uncle. But here's the thing.
Speaker 7: We were just talking about this right with the subscriptions,
Speaker 7: and you said something, go ahead and repeat it.
Speaker 2: I said, you should go to a piracy website.
Speaker 7: Well, a lot of people are sharing Thro's streams now right,
Speaker 7: And I have a couple of friends who have shared passwords, streams,
Speaker 7: all kinds of stuff with me, and I'm happy for that.
Speaker 1: Although nobody's gotten me. This Ozzy Osbourne concert that's going
Speaker 1: to occur in a couple of days, I want to
Speaker 1: see that. But you know, on the point, but now
Speaker 1: he's in the always else listen I was.
Speaker 7: I want to see the last performance. I want to
Speaker 7: see the last performance of Black Sabbath. Yes, indeed, that's
Speaker 7: my favorite band of all time.
Speaker 4: But it is like, I mean, I like watching rock
Speaker 4: concerts that are on YouTube, but like there's so much
Speaker 4: stuff that's on there.
Speaker 2: Already that's just like on YouTube or archives. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: this isn't all Day I watched it.
Speaker 7: This isn't All Day Music, and that they're charging thirty
Speaker 7: bucks a pop for you to get the stream and
Speaker 7: you can also buy the special T shirt for another
Speaker 7: thirty She's not going to.
Speaker 2: Be good total, he was never good.
Speaker 1: Well see now to.
Speaker 7: Me he was and Black Sabbath Water, you know, and
Speaker 7: at least I know Iaomi can still play the guitar.
Speaker 7: Geezer can still play the bass. Now I don't know
Speaker 7: how what kind of shape of awards, and he's had
Speaker 7: a couple of heart attacks and as he's got the Parkinson's.
Speaker 7: But still I want to see the last performance.
Speaker 2: Of Black I understand.
Speaker 7: Plus there's going to be a super group there. Black
Speaker 7: Label Society's playing, Metallica is playing.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of hands, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're like a rock musician, right, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 7: I've worn many hats in my life, sir. There you go, right,
Speaker 7: But anyway, but the thing is back to this pay
Speaker 7: per view concept. Though, and how Uncle got in trouble.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: The thing is Uncle.
Speaker 7: Doesn't realize that you could click on a thing. You
Speaker 7: want to see one game, but you might wind up
Speaker 7: signing up for a hundred.
Speaker 1: Bucks and you know one single game. Well, no, it's
Speaker 1: not a single way to wait. The lingo here, the kickers,
Speaker 1: what they're doing is, Uncle, they draw you in, see
Speaker 1: you go there. You want to see one game, right,
Speaker 1: so you sign up and go, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: see that game and you miss a click, or you
Speaker 1: click on the wrong thing and you bought the whole
Speaker 1: season and I didn't click ning. I just ton of televisions.
Speaker 1: Give but Uncle, you don't listen. Uncle. This is similar
Speaker 1: to you in your online games. You don't have you
Speaker 1: in trouble with your online games? Were falling in your device,
Speaker 1: You've got you gotten in lots of trouble with that. Right,
Speaker 1: it's the same principle going on here. This These systems
Speaker 1: are designed to whip you off and take your money
Speaker 1: from you. There're mind to do that. They're want to
Speaker 1: do that to anybody who Eddie.
Speaker 21: I hope Eddie don't call tonight. I'm gonna tell him
Speaker 21: something nobody. He don't gonna watch their baseball games. But
Speaker 21: hold on a minute, can watch them?
Speaker 1: Hold on a minute.
Speaker 7: Here's the problem, right, They design these systems, and maybe
Speaker 7: why I'll have something to say about this. They design
Speaker 7: these systems so that if you have children in the
Speaker 7: house and they have access to a device, these kids
Speaker 7: will turn around and sign up.
Speaker 1: For games and TV or whatever else.
Speaker 7: And if you have any acts, if they have any
Speaker 7: access to your online wallet, you might wind up having
Speaker 7: to argue with charges for the next year because your
Speaker 7: ten year old got on there and decided he wanted
Speaker 7: to see Minecraft the movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, And you.
Speaker 7: Also might accidentally sign up for stuff and not realize.
Speaker 7: Now you've got a subscription and you've got a hard
Speaker 7: time trying to cancel it. These systems are designed to
Speaker 7: be this way. This is why there's a whole new
Speaker 7: business out there of like, look, we'll get together all
Speaker 7: your subscriptions you forgot you had.
Speaker 1: I don't know how people forget about their money.
Speaker 7: I lose a dollar, I realize it, but other people
Speaker 7: apparently bot you twenty subscriptions.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know I had that. These
Speaker 1: guy's paying two hundred and fifty dollars a.
Speaker 7: Month they show on these commercials and I'm like, how
Speaker 7: do you not notice two hundred and fifty dollars a
Speaker 7: month out of you?
Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of money do you have? Jee
Speaker 1: Because if you have it, maybe you don't need to
Speaker 1: worry about it. I don't know.
Speaker 7: But they designed this stuff this way, why don't they,
Speaker 7: I mean, help me out anyway?
Speaker 2: It is just stuff. Obviously they make money doing that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well, it's just like everything else.
Speaker 7: If they get you to sign up and they give
Speaker 7: you a hard time trying to get rid of it,
Speaker 7: then a lot of people will give up and just say, well,
Speaker 7: maybe I'll enjoy it, or maybe I'll just hang with it,
Speaker 7: or they forget about it.
Speaker 1: And that's that, you know, because you know this is
Speaker 1: the way the system runs.
Speaker 13: Boy, they're gonna have a trouble like that. I got
Speaker 13: to say all the football season, Well I'm saying they
Speaker 13: didn't have a problem. My system would have a problem
Speaker 13: with it. Well, everybody yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, say
Speaker 13: no no yes.
Speaker 22: A lot humps down to what we're having a discussion
Speaker 22: about baseball, and so it's all about footballs into it too,
Speaker 22: and that would be a perfect example of what I'm
Speaker 22: trying to explain here.
Speaker 7: But like, for instance, you're gonna need to go to
Speaker 7: Netflix to watch the super Bowl now, right, just like
Speaker 7: you've got to go there because I know you love
Speaker 7: your wrestling too. You can't watch Monday Night Raw unless
Speaker 7: you have Netflix, now, Okay, I'm just saying that, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: so you have Netflix, but you better figure out what
Speaker 7: sports are.
Speaker 1: On the Netflix that you're already paying for. Because that's
Speaker 1: the other funny thing is that people are paying for
Speaker 1: four subscriptions they don't even need them. Yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: We've had Rucus in the chat here over at Twitch
Speaker 1: and he's joking about having to get a subscription to
Speaker 1: cancel the subscriptions, because no, it's true.
Speaker 7: So you know what he's talking about that Rocket Money
Speaker 7: and a couple other apps out there that you actually
Speaker 7: do you get us subscription, you cancel your subscriptions, Yes, Floyd,
Speaker 7: I mean, but this is the way the technocracy continues
Speaker 7: their revenue stream, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Why? Uh, a very small degree per halves we're talking
Speaker 2: about I'm thinking to the media, to entertainment media. Yeah,
Speaker 2: entertainment media, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's what you know what I don't like, is.
Speaker 2: I have Amazon Music? Do any of you guys have
Speaker 2: Amazon Music.
Speaker 1: That we have? We have Apple Music, which is comparable.
Speaker 7: But eventually, eventually everything boils down to five controlling families.
Speaker 7: Notice that you know, they control all the media. Like
Speaker 7: right now, telecom companies are combining with the with the
Speaker 7: entertainment companies are combining with the broadcasters are combining. Eventually,
Speaker 7: you're just going to have here's your media entity and
Speaker 7: that's it. You either subscribe to them, you don't.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting is that's what Eon MS
Speaker 1: is trying and wanting to do with app.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got this is the explanation.
Speaker 4: Okay, at least that relates to some of this conspiracy
Speaker 4: technocracy stuff.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much if there's like an account
Speaker 4: of like whether the media is actually more or less
Speaker 4: profitable than it used to be. But there was kind
Speaker 4: of a crisis for media when the internet streaming and
Speaker 4: everything started, and so like, I mean, obviously the stuff
Speaker 4: that you guys are talking about is their way to
Speaker 4: recoup the money that they lost because people were pirating
Speaker 4: stuff or they were just not watching it.
Speaker 2: They were just going on the Internet instead.
Speaker 4: But a lot of this political stuff I think has
Speaker 4: to do with content creators who can't make money on
Speaker 4: any old kind of media job, like whether they could
Speaker 4: be like working for like a local newspaper or something.
Speaker 4: Instead they have to make like the most boded of
Speaker 4: conspiracy content possible, and that has something to do with it,
Speaker 4: and that also has stuff to do with like this
Speaker 4: whole new subscription model that they're trying to use, and
Speaker 4: like crowdsourcing, you know, like Patreon.
Speaker 7: And you're on Medium, You're on Medium, and everybody and
Speaker 7: their mother is on substack, right, So I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: here we go. Everybody monetizes or I don't monetize, but
Speaker 7: who don't have no intention of like being like a
Speaker 7: content creator.
Speaker 2: But look at like any of these crowdfunding platforms where
Speaker 2: you can fund content creators, there is nothing stopping anybody
Speaker 2: from just funding the absolute most divisive and like basically trolls.
Speaker 2: I think that absolutely happened, And that's.
Speaker 4: Even similar to like this whole like bitcoin or like
Speaker 4: Russian bitcoin or whatever allegations, but just regular US dollars
Speaker 4: on Patreon, they can fund whoever's producing the narrative that
Speaker 4: they want, whether that's the actual like supposed to be
Speaker 4: like whichever side of like the controlled like opposition stuff
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be. But the actual content creator doesn't
Speaker 4: even have to know about it. They can be getting
Speaker 4: funded because they're disruptive and they won't even know about it.
Speaker 1: There you go the.
Speaker 4: Engagement and payments like that in order to actually condition
Speaker 4: content creators to produce the kind of content that they
Speaker 4: want to use for this whole like infra war like
Speaker 4: culture war stuff. We're getting deep here, uncle, yea, Now
Speaker 4: we're getting too deep. That's not a problem. I mean, uncle,
Speaker 4: we're making content. It's true, we are making online content.
Speaker 4: It's crazy that we.
Speaker 1: Need to know what we're getting into here. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So if you guys don't want if you guys don't
Speaker 4: get like money, it's because you're actually not being.
Speaker 2: You're not in culture war enough. If you were, they
Speaker 2: sat making money.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 12: Got it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, uncle, it's we tell him a little son,
Speaker 1: a good talk show. Baseball the culture Wars, and how
Speaker 1: did it get to this? I don't actual want the
Speaker 1: culture wars baseball. It's another baseball, the culture Wars. It's
Speaker 1: my fault. Uncle. Listen, you got two callers. So so
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to get to them. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to take them, take them, So we'll go
Speaker 1: the first one they go, Who it is? I bet
Speaker 1: you can guess uncle Jimmy. All right, let's find out.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, hang on, there's that
Speaker 1: wasn't No, this is you. Now, that wasn't you. But
Speaker 1: this is you. Okay, I tell you that it was Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Not that one was Jimmy, and then the other was
Speaker 1: not Jimmy. Yeah, yeah, I don't know who that was.
Speaker 1: You go, I don't know who is Joy and not Jimmy.
Speaker 7: My curser, my curser slid over because that is uh,
Speaker 7: that's the count waiting up next.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go to the count in mere moments. But
Speaker 1: we got Jimmy's Uh, why don't Jimmy. Do you have
Speaker 1: any questions for or do you want anything to our guest? Why? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why Jimmy?
Speaker 1: Hell, I do have a question for why?
Speaker 23: First she congratulate because your dodger there broke willing means
Speaker 23: a stupid record?
Speaker 2: Where to go?
Speaker 1: Who's like Willie Mays's record? Just a moment, just a moment?
Speaker 20: How want you watching that pacebo oh god, here we
Speaker 20: go again at the paceball.
Speaker 1: The problem with just watching it, that's our problem. Hey,
Speaker 1: Eli can't do it. We can't watch, Jimmy, we can't.
Speaker 20: You're not up on these things, Jimmy, we just can't
Speaker 20: at all watch peliods.
Speaker 1: That I get.
Speaker 23: What the problem is is the problem is is they
Speaker 23: purposely freeze out so called local markets and make you
Speaker 23: try to pay money.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why. Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense.
Speaker 7: You now have two callers behind Jimmy, by the way,
Speaker 7: just a little dangan.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that in mind. Why don't we go directly? Chippy?
Speaker 1: You said you want to ask why something?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: You just go ahead and do that, right, go ahead
Speaker 1: and until what I want to say.
Speaker 23: We won't give back your let's call it.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, okay, Jimmy, hang on, I'll give you honey
Speaker 1: Pepper up back, shout out to Jersey as always, count
Speaker 1: pepper popper up. Hey, how you doing okay?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 23: With all about these subscriptions?
Speaker 24: I thought i'd claim what happened to me yesterday is
Speaker 24: that I used nord VPN right me fired anything I
Speaker 24: want and I was getting for like a month's email
Speaker 24: saying it's going to renew at the end of.
Speaker 1: This month, at the end of June, like this is fine, exacting.
Speaker 1: I was expecting to be sixty bucks.
Speaker 24: I get the email yesterday one hundred and fifty bucks,
Speaker 24: and I immediately got onto their tech support and like
Speaker 24: how to deal with getting my refund, which I don't
Speaker 24: think still is going through it.
Speaker 1: So so you so you ended the program too? Not
Speaker 1: watching baseball my dad, You know I have I have Hulu,
Speaker 1: so I can see some of the games.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 24: But I don't be able to hire as many things
Speaker 24: as I feel, like movies like the newest Hollywood movie.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I sure hope, he said on the next line.
Speaker 1: That's why we're gonna have big Sean. I know that
Speaker 1: the folks, like the folks in the chat over at
Speaker 1: youtubeer like this government talk is getting to be too much.
Speaker 1: They want to talk about squirrels and pomegranates is what
Speaker 1: they want to be talking about. That's that's what the
Speaker 1: chat cleaning is coming from.
Speaker 21: Man, here we having conversation about baseball, and now we
Speaker 21: got that going.
Speaker 1: I'm just relaying what they're saying. That accident. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a columbul a cult. Oh cools an afarious uncle. This
Speaker 1: is very nefarious, very quickly, but uh, what do you
Speaker 1: think should we go to caller three? I think they
Speaker 1: have yet the third call?
Speaker 2: Oh, let's get the three.
Speaker 1: Hold on need okay, hang on.
Speaker 7: And it looks like we have one of our international calls.
Speaker 7: And by the way, we have let's see real quick
Speaker 7: before I bring.
Speaker 1: The call on.
Speaker 7: We have Germany, Canada, UK and all across the United
Speaker 7: States in many different places, mostly.
Speaker 1: On Apple devices apparently. And so that's the way ther
Speaker 1: Chelly stream looks. And it's pretty healthy tonight. Just so
Speaker 1: you know, man, they coming back see that. Anyways, here's
Speaker 1: somebody not in the US calling you now, okay, cool?
Speaker 3: Oh this is this is not Jimmy James.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's not Jimmy. Did you following us?
Speaker 2: Uncle?
Speaker 1: This is not Jimmy James. You got that. I got
Speaker 1: that one. Okay, Hello, not Jimmy.
Speaker 3: This is Billy Billy Mays calling from beyond the grave.
Speaker 3: Did I just hear the Dodgers beat my record for
Speaker 3: selling oxy clean?
Speaker 9: I think so, I believe.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's where it was.
Speaker 20: Yeah, we're having a conversation about baseball. Might as well
Speaker 20: learn in the baseball Uncle, this is say, this is
Speaker 20: not Willy Bay's. This is Billy Bays. It's not really
Speaker 20: it's Billy. It's a different line, It's a different maze.
Speaker 1: Maybe damn blitterish, I guess this is.
Speaker 3: This is Billy Mays of oxy clean fame. No, I died.
Speaker 3: I died in two thousand and nine, but I'm coming back.
Speaker 1: How's that? Oh wow, he's even better now, Ron Hubbard,
Speaker 1: do you have a mansion waiting for you too, out
Speaker 1: in uh out in San Jacino like Hubbard does, I am.
Speaker 3: I am calling from the matching of Heaven. Oh, let
Speaker 3: me tell you about pomegranates.
Speaker 1: From outside the country. In outside the country, see Heaven's
Speaker 1: palm granates.
Speaker 3: The pomegranate industry is dominated by the Resnic family, which
Speaker 3: are demonic water thieves. Yeah yeah, granates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're evil. They control the agriculture business up in
Speaker 1: northern It is true. I thought learn anything more evil
Speaker 1: than I thought. The only thing I thought lear anything
Speaker 1: more evil than that was almonds. Yeah, well they control that.
Speaker 3: Also, family control the almond industry.
Speaker 25: Okay, gosh, the all support war with Iran because they
Speaker 25: control the pistachio industry, and Iran produces more flavorful pistachio.
Speaker 1: Oh no, back to back to that one thing. It's
Speaker 1: water Wars in California tied directly to Iran. Uncle.
Speaker 2: Oh hello, hello, hello, yeah, hello, this is Canada.
Speaker 3: Boy. I was I think I was just possessed.
Speaker 1: Hey wait a minute, that's Ken everyhore. Is it why
Speaker 1: they stopped playing? I think I was Charlie.
Speaker 3: I was just possessed by the spirit of Billy Mays.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I thought this guy was filling me
Speaker 1: and now this is the guy from norther of me.
Speaker 1: You know that once happened to clean. I was just
Speaker 1: cleaning my uh.
Speaker 3: I was just cleaning my stuff with oxy clean, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden I was possessed.
Speaker 1: Spirit. When that hal when that happens? H Robin, do
Speaker 1: you have a question for I guess why? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a question for wine. I just I just forgot
Speaker 1: what it was and tuned in late.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know who why is. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it sounds kind of cryptic, I.
Speaker 1: Don't tell you. Robert. When you go to listen to
Speaker 1: the episode of the Age of Transitions from tonight. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be great pleased, and you're gonna love it. I'll
Speaker 1: say that much. Right, it's a great show. And why
Speaker 1: was it okay? Again?
Speaker 3: So can I ask?
Speaker 1: I asked why? Why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing he Aaron started calling me that,
Speaker 2: so ask him. Yeah, let's get that easy?
Speaker 1: Is this is this easy?
Speaker 16: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think you're Kanye. Who's keen lanky? All right?
Speaker 3: Why let's hear the question.
Speaker 1: Let's see I'm cool, I'm cool.
Speaker 3: Related question, have you visited any sword shops lately?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have those anymore?
Speaker 1: Oh, but they do.
Speaker 3: We got another caller.
Speaker 26: Let's go to the new collar in a minute.
Speaker 1: Who is We gotta get back to that search up
Speaker 1: later we'll come on and we don't go. Man, who's
Speaker 1: just on air?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: Uncle?
Speaker 6: If I hear another word about squirrels eating the damn pomegranate,
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna send the play the squirrels on you guys.
Speaker 6: That will make the fog plague in Egypt look like
Speaker 6: a little few ants in the kitchen, don't ye tell?
Speaker 21: Sidekicks sidekicks talk.
Speaker 1: He's the one that said that.
Speaker 2: Yell at him, not me.
Speaker 20: I'm talking about your favorite baseball games that we cannot.
Speaker 1: Not see. So that's another problem. That's another problem I'm having.
Speaker 1: We're not having a good MLB TV.
Speaker 6: We'll get a U. It's like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: or one hundred and seventy bucks a year. You can
Speaker 6: watch any and every game that you want. Uh, you
Speaker 6: gotta add you know, when you get a misty page.
Speaker 6: If you can't afford it, we'll get it to you know,
Speaker 6: an uncle. MLB TV go fund me page. You can
Speaker 6: literally watch any every game of any team. Gotta ask.
Speaker 1: I build a people in this house, gotta ask the
Speaker 1: bail people. It becomes a missus side kid.
Speaker 21: I've got to ask her, is why Donny, because I'm
Speaker 21: going crazy. I just wanted to see one simple game
Speaker 21: in I'm getting charged.
Speaker 1: That's stupid, man, stupid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that if I don't, I don't subscribe
Speaker 6: to MLB TV because I don't have TV and I
Speaker 6: have my little device, but mostly i'm at work or
Speaker 6: I'm sitting on a porch and I'm listening to the
Speaker 6: game and maybe reading or writing while I listen. But
Speaker 6: so I subscribe for the one that where I just
Speaker 6: can listen to the radio broadcasts from the games. But
Speaker 6: MLB TV for what a cost. If I was into
Speaker 6: the more visual thing, it's really not a bad deal
Speaker 6: for the you can watch all the baseball games from
Speaker 6: any team, your own team and any other team you
Speaker 6: want for like one hundred and you know, for the
Speaker 6: whole season at the beginning. I think it's like one
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty or seventy bucks now, but you know
Speaker 6: that isn't bad in the whole six month you need
Speaker 6: to set month season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just going to say, if you wanted
Speaker 7: to get radio from all the games all across the country.
Speaker 1: Didn't see her satellite radio off for that like pretty cheap.
Speaker 16: Or along with the suspension or something at one point
Speaker 16: or no, I don't know, but it's thirty bucks a
Speaker 16: year from MLB all any and every radio game.
Speaker 6: See it regularly. That's what I subscribe to. And it
Speaker 6: only went up to thirty a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: It has been twenty bucks all along. I mean, it's like,
Speaker 6: really not a bad deal as far as media stuff goes.
Speaker 1: Today, Yeah, nothing's twenty bucks or thirty bucks anymore. Now
Speaker 1: we've evolved into that we have to bow something.
Speaker 6: You know, every game, I want to switch over and
Speaker 6: listen to a close a close game.
Speaker 1: You know that the competing team.
Speaker 6: I can switch over and listen to that later or
Speaker 6: but yeah, you can listen to any whatever you want
Speaker 6: on the radio. And there's no blackouts on the radio deal.
Speaker 6: There are some on the TV deal, unfortunately.
Speaker 7: And I bought that, babe, that baseball baseball game we
Speaker 7: were talking about in the chat room, by the way,
Speaker 7: I bought that thing for six bucks on sale and
Speaker 7: I haven't spent a penny on it since.
Speaker 1: But people can do in game purchases. It's a you know,
Speaker 1: but that's another thing.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I didn't know how to buy a single
Speaker 6: game purchases. But yeah, that's pretty cool if you wanted
Speaker 6: to just see one game.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: But but no, I was just saying that that game
Speaker 7: that I was describing to you with the players and
Speaker 7: the cards and stuff, oh that game game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that sounds pretty far out.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I only played, but I paid six bucks
Speaker 7: for it and then but other people sink hundreds of
Speaker 7: dollars into this thing.
Speaker 1: I don't what about magic the gather?
Speaker 6: I believe it?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, a baseball game it's literally all. That's
Speaker 7: why it's related to this topic because we were going
Speaker 7: back and forth. I was describing to him something about
Speaker 7: a baseball game because he mentioned Shoho Tani and this.
Speaker 1: And that, and I said, yeah, I'm getting sick of
Speaker 1: seeing the guy because.
Speaker 7: Every single team, no matter where it's from, has drafted Showho.
Speaker 1: Tani on their team. And I'm like, that's annoying. And
Speaker 1: to ask yourself, how long will you stay on him?
Speaker 1: That's why, Yeah, he signed Kim of long term contract.
Speaker 1: I thought with the Dodgers, is that our time? He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't he like the highest paid baseball player?
Speaker 6: Got ten years ten year contract, so he's got eight
Speaker 6: more years he left.
Speaker 1: Ye, he's not living in our area. No, No, that
Speaker 1: ain't happening. But why did I hear you say something there?
Speaker 2: Did you got something to say on this now?
Speaker 1: Actually, d do you know that my guest from the
Speaker 1: previous hour lies online? And do you have a question
Speaker 1: for him? We got to guess.
Speaker 6: I know he is and I heard most of it, but.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 6: I really don't have a question right now, though, But
Speaker 6: I thought it was an interesting Uh. I heard most
Speaker 6: of it. I had to do some things in between,
Speaker 6: but yeah, I was definitely look forward to doing being
Speaker 6: on again.
Speaker 7: If you guys do it again, I'm cutting my mic
Speaker 7: I'm cutting my mic in But just let me know
Speaker 7: what you want me to do, because we got like
Speaker 7: three other callers on the line still.
Speaker 1: Hanging, and you just let me know what you want. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, switch back to uncle. Is there anybody? Do
Speaker 1: we have to go back to Jimmy? Do you have
Speaker 1: to go back to Pepper to see what they have
Speaker 1: to say about this? We think, Yeah, let's ask them
Speaker 1: what do they think about it? Then go from me.
Speaker 1: Do we want to start with Jimmy? Did you want
Speaker 1: to start with Jimmy asking when he thinks of this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good Jimmy. Do you think Jimmy?
Speaker 7: Okay, Jimmy's gone, but we can go back to Pepper
Speaker 7: right away if you want. Yeah, he's got a pupper
Speaker 7: and ask him what you thinks.
Speaker 24: Oh, if you have an electu advice, you remember you
Speaker 24: can just tell her to play a radio station. So
Speaker 24: if you know the radio station your baseball game is on,
Speaker 24: so quiet for you, just keep.
Speaker 1: That in mind. I do like that suggestion.
Speaker 11: Well there you go.
Speaker 1: That's still listening. Yeah, yeah, but you know, young on
Speaker 1: a want of money at that point, we're trying to
Speaker 1: not get charged just for like doing stuff that we
Speaker 1: want to do. Yeah, this is how you don't pay
Speaker 1: any money to it, but you can at least listen
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's back on the line, by way, Okay, Jimmy, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this? Jimmy?
Speaker 6: Yes, I only heard that's the question.
Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, you just I heard you do? Yeah, sorry
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 7: What do you think about this whole thing with you
Speaker 7: know the problem with broadcasting and you know, subscriptions and
Speaker 7: all this mess.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Well?
Speaker 23: Uh, I like I think that deal that that was
Speaker 23: time out where it's thirty bucks. That'd be fine for
Speaker 23: me because I listened to everything anymore. I haven't turned
Speaker 23: on my TV in four years. N I listened to
Speaker 23: pretty much as podcasts or live stream and honestly, I'll
Speaker 23: think what I very rarely pay for squat.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 23: I usually don't have a whole lot of trouble finding
Speaker 23: something I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not big on, you know what.
Speaker 23: Not's something else weird. Maybe it's because I've hit that
Speaker 23: age where I'm old, where I just I can't stand
Speaker 23: watching movies. I can't stand TV shows. I just i'ay
Speaker 23: it's annoying.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 23: I'm like literally at the stage somehow now where the
Speaker 23: weather channel and the news is about telf hour listen
Speaker 23: to in the background.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, if it wasn't if it wasn't for these guys lately,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have even gotten back into baseball really at all,
Speaker 7: even like looking at it or listening to it for years,
Speaker 7: I didn't.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we can go back around to yet another
Speaker 1: color and then get back around ahead after that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see who is who? Yeah, let's go to other
Speaker 1: color other, not Jimmy, this is other, not Jimmy. Let's
Speaker 1: see hello hello, serious, hello hello Hello. I would I
Speaker 1: can speak, I would.
Speaker 3: I would concur with Jimmy that all modern media is
Speaker 3: uh is propaganda.
Speaker 1: And not worth consuming for the most part. Uh the
Speaker 1: outside talk to the squirrels such.
Speaker 6: Grass, Oh, baseball is Masonic's weird shit going on there?
Speaker 1: Why? Why what are you saying about baseball?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who invented that? Because, like, I don't understand the appeal
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not saying anything, because I don't watch it,
Speaker 2: but it does seem like a strange thing to do.
Speaker 1: Even why know, Yeah, well, you know they're he knows
Speaker 1: more about it, ed knows more about it than he does. Yes,
Speaker 1: bring it. He could probably tell you about Abner David
Speaker 1: in mention the game good.
Speaker 6: You might be more interested in some of the esoteric
Speaker 6: elements of baseball because they're many. I mean, it's clearly
Speaker 6: had free Masonic influence in the inventing of the game
Speaker 6: at all. I mean just just if you turn if
Speaker 6: you take the free Masonic symbol and turn it upside
Speaker 6: down and open the calipers, you're looking at a baseball field.
Speaker 5: A more of a.
Speaker 6: Thinking person's game. It's just it's it shouldn't even be
Speaker 6: categorized with the games that are played on rectangles with
Speaker 6: goals at each end. In my opinion, it's a it's
Speaker 6: in a whole other level.
Speaker 4: It is interesting how they they run around the thing
Speaker 4: instead of like the goals, you know, it's like in
Speaker 4: the other games.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just there's numerology and it's it's it's an
Speaker 6: amazingly esoteric game. Uh. And the origins of it are
Speaker 6: not really known. All of the allegian fields thing is
Speaker 6: not necessarily really accurate. It kind of a it's kind
Speaker 6: of like a lot of things, weird things in life
Speaker 6: that the beginnings of them aren't really nailed down, and
Speaker 6: uh you know, and there's just a lot of obvious
Speaker 6: esoteric elements to it to anybody just a little bit.
Speaker 4: Another thing that's interesting is like the whole baseball statistics thing,
Speaker 4: like even I guess before there was computers and stuff,
Speaker 4: but like people who would be obsessed with baseball statistics.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely it goes back, you know, quite
Speaker 6: a ways with with that. Like I say, it's a
Speaker 6: different level game from the other major team sports. Did
Speaker 6: you altogether by in my opinion?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you e a?
Speaker 21: And then come down to these days when you're gone
Speaker 21: to a baseball game and a hamburg a hot dog
Speaker 21: and a soda pop.
Speaker 16: Boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a long way from time to do that.
Speaker 1: I can't even do that for now.
Speaker 6: The main uh yeah, the main the whole level around
Speaker 6: the ballpark don't have an amazing food court. Yeah you don't.
Speaker 6: I go as soon as they open and just.
Speaker 26: Drink.
Speaker 2: How did that got?
Speaker 1: Well? Take me out to the ball game is buy
Speaker 1: me peanuts and cracker jacks. Yeah, that's so, that's sokay.
Speaker 1: We're referencing taking out to the ball game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's good food at the ballpark.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: It's not just hot dogs and cracker jacks. You know,
Speaker 6: it's a lot of good food out there.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't like it because it's a constant
Speaker 6: noise and a big screen. I don't need all of that,
Speaker 6: but I'm grateful for the better array of food. I
Speaker 6: don't go to that many games as I used to,
Speaker 6: but when I go, you know, it's enjoyable to know
Speaker 6: you can get just about any kind of food you
Speaker 6: want out there.
Speaker 1: Nowadays it's a very regular smorgas sports. Then you go
Speaker 1: to the baseball game, Uncle, and I wouldn't have it
Speaker 1: any other way.
Speaker 21: Ever, the same thing in the football thing. It's the
Speaker 21: same thing, but the difference is they have beer.
Speaker 1: Oh they got that beer.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 1: With that in mind, why do you do you drink
Speaker 1: it all? Do you drink any alcoholic beverages ever?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I should have if I had thought of it. And
Speaker 1: if you come back on the show and you want
Speaker 1: to do the Uncle show again, maybe what we're planning
Speaker 1: on doing a beer review because we like to do
Speaker 1: beer reviews on the show, where we drink one throughout
Speaker 1: the show and we rate it one to ten. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we can do that. We can do that. We do
Speaker 1: like to do that. We do that when you gets
Speaker 1: a decent good beer, because we don't have one tonight either, uncle,
Speaker 1: sometimes do you we don't have any. We taste it
Speaker 1: almost everything. You can't meet the guy, I mean, but
Speaker 1: he has goes out but on the show. Thing for
Speaker 1: the payment, and we'll have the beer for that exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing. Do you ever do that? Why
Speaker 1: do you ever drink a beer at home? And then
Speaker 1: you just have to rate it one to view it? No,
Speaker 1: you don't. I'm gonna do that one when you come
Speaker 1: back life. If you come back, come back on, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll maybe there's another there's another thing.
Speaker 14: If you also would like to build my new revolution,
Speaker 14: I go through before the Home Country before it ends.
Speaker 1: New Year's If you do a special, a special special show.
Speaker 20: He's not on his shows off, that's just my show.
Speaker 20: Just just let you know if you like that too,
Speaker 20: and then we're really need into summunicate you know what.
Speaker 7: You know, what's interesting is that you're talking about the
Speaker 7: esoteric nature of the baseball game.
Speaker 1: I just I want to point something out.
Speaker 7: When I was growing up, I was taught the Abner
Speaker 7: Doubleday myth about him creating the game of baseball, and
Speaker 7: that was the official history as.
Speaker 1: I remember it, but nowadays not so much.
Speaker 7: And there's a guy named Alexander Cartwright that started the
Speaker 7: Knickerbocker Baseball Club that is credited with most of the modern.
Speaker 1: Rules, but it's generally accepted by.
Speaker 7: Most historians apparently that the game sort of evolved and
Speaker 7: the American version of it was shaped by Alexander Cartwright.
Speaker 7: So it's a very odd sort of history to that game.
Speaker 7: But I don't see the masons all of it, except
Speaker 7: in the case of double Day, who might have been
Speaker 7: But then again, that was the finding of a guy
Speaker 7: named Spalding, who you know, then of these names sounds
Speaker 7: familiar to baseball people.
Speaker 1: Spalding, you know, who was.
Speaker 7: A star player and had a commission in nineteen oh
Speaker 7: seven that sort of declared that Abner double Day had
Speaker 7: been at the game because he was a Civil War hero,
Speaker 7: But not true apparently anyway. Just interesting that this has
Speaker 7: sort of evolved over the years, But I don't know
Speaker 7: what the real origin is seems to have evolved out
Speaker 7: of many baton ball games from previous centuries.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not allowed to add the history. Crazy, isn't
Speaker 1: it crazy? How like these legends surround everything that in
Speaker 1: our world, all these weird ideas, and it's always nebulous.
Speaker 1: It seems to be more often than not. I mean,
Speaker 1: with something as simple as baseball, you think to be
Speaker 1: clear cut straight. It's like, oh yeah, back in eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty two, Shohnny Appleseed and Oswald pat And picked up
Speaker 1: a stick in the hid of apple in the backyard,
Speaker 1: and that was how the first baseball game went. But
Speaker 1: now we don't know.
Speaker 6: There the baseball field with the Masonic symbol of the
Speaker 6: compass and the square, and you can't miss it.
Speaker 1: You just turn it up to that, you can't.
Speaker 6: You can't miss the likeness. It's it's the same symbol
Speaker 6: the infield of the ballpark. Is that resoning?
Speaker 23: Somebody?
Speaker 1: Annie?
Speaker 7: Annie, did you see that movie with Gus Cossla in
Speaker 7: the in the field field of dreams?
Speaker 1: Dreams? Right?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, what a great what a great movie, even
Speaker 6: even a really good books. And the movie did really
Speaker 6: well as far as conveying the book. I think, but
Speaker 6: the book has some differences. But yeah, yeah, of course
Speaker 6: that's a great movie. I think, yeah, yeah, those movies
Speaker 6: go yeah.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 12: Now you like that? Uncle? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead? Do you like that movie?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Uncle, you like it? What you bought it?
Speaker 1: You go ahead? Well what about Field of Dreams? Their Dreams?
Speaker 1: Was very interesting to me that all these yeah, beca
Speaker 1: came in, came in, and don't we have a Little
Speaker 1: Game of Baseball?
Speaker 6: That author, the Kidd who his book was made into
Speaker 6: that movie, he wrote a book it wasn't I can't
Speaker 6: think of the name of the book, Oh, Shoeless Joe.
Speaker 6: I think the book was just called Shoeless Joe. But
Speaker 6: he's written a lot of the books about baseball, and
Speaker 6: he always he recognizes the mystical nation, the nature of baseball.
Speaker 6: He's a he's a really I can't think of his
Speaker 6: first name, but Cancella was his last name. Really good author.
Speaker 6: He's a Canadian guy who has written some sort of
Speaker 6: magical realism books about baseball. And I'd recommend him to anybody.
Speaker 1: Who's interested in and Suan's also welcome.
Speaker 7: Shueless Joe was also Suele's Joe was also recently welcome
Speaker 7: back into baseball along with Pete Rose.
Speaker 6: Right, I didn't know Pete Rose got welcomed back in.
Speaker 6: I did hear some rumored that maybe shoeless Joel was
Speaker 6: going to be uh, maybe a grandfather back in somehow,
Speaker 6: though recently.
Speaker 1: Bob double check it. But I'm pretty sure they heard pet.
Speaker 6: Rose last I heard.
Speaker 7: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: So the then need to get in trouble, pets in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why it's not in the whole thame. Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 1: I blayed that was and didn't they just posthumously not
Speaker 1: a man was that close? I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 7: Pens supporting to ESPN dot com Pete Rose, shoeless Joe
Speaker 7: Jackson among players reinstated by MLB.
Speaker 1: In historic sweeping decision.
Speaker 7: Baseball admissioner Rob Man heard that right on Tuesday, removed
Speaker 7: Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and other deceased players from
Speaker 7: Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.
Speaker 1: So I just want to let you know that that
Speaker 1: was from an article published on May thirteen.
Speaker 6: Okay, t asy step towards doing with Wright, I think.
Speaker 1: I agree, But yeah, and there you have it now, uncle,
Speaker 1: we have so many callers. Oh, let's star. Might we
Speaker 1: might want to start shot? I guess well both, No,
Speaker 1: we can do him work our way back to the
Speaker 1: guest was it was who the first caller? A get
Speaker 1: who these stuff was? He's talking when we start with ED?
Speaker 1: When we started ed, who was on the line already?
Speaker 1: And then I'll bring them in as we go. Perfect.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we got tonight for a shout out.
Speaker 26: Hut Hey, well, shoot, I haven't thought about it, but uh,
Speaker 26: I've only mentioned it to Jimmy and Chuck, but my
Speaker 26: wife of thirty six years passed away back in May.
Speaker 1: And I want to shout out to you guys.
Speaker 6: Because a while I haven't been really participating in the
Speaker 6: chat or calling or anything, I've been listening because you
Speaker 6: guys kind of uplift my spirits in spite of in
Speaker 6: spite of the shadow of death. I've been in and
Speaker 6: shout out to all you guys, man, because I've been
Speaker 6: listening on Fridays, even if I haven't been active in
Speaker 6: chat or anything, and much loved.
Speaker 1: All of you guys. Yeah, And I wasn't even going
Speaker 1: to mention that because I didn't know where you were
Speaker 1: at with it, but you know, we're with you and
Speaker 1: to be able to talk, you know, a normal I
Speaker 1: know you're a friend. Wow, you're a friend.
Speaker 7: And I'm really sorry to have heard that. And I'm
Speaker 7: sure I share exactly the same thing with everybody who's.
Speaker 1: On the line here. We definitely feel for you and
Speaker 1: we're glad that you know you're still with us. How
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm grateful to be with you guys, because I
Speaker 6: don't really have friends or anything much like that around here,
Speaker 6: and I never believed in uh, I was scoffed at
Speaker 6: the idea of online community and stuff, but I find
Speaker 6: that I actually am a part of one such as
Speaker 6: they are, and it's rich with you guys and with
Speaker 6: the rated why folks too. That's that's about it for me, right, and.
Speaker 7: Creative accident, creative accidents just closed in the chat room.
Speaker 7: Love you, Ed, okay, Yeah, much appreciation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you good, Yeah, thank you Ed.
Speaker 1: I was not aware of that, and yeah I know
Speaker 1: I did, I know. Soeah, we're glad to have you here,
Speaker 1: endurances to you, and yeah, it's it's really great to
Speaker 1: always have you here. Man, So so thank you.
Speaker 6: And that's online and I can say that.
Speaker 7: Any uplift that we can contribute to, we're more than
Speaker 7: happy to, especially because we know you're a good guy.
Speaker 7: You've been around quite a while, and man, I wish
Speaker 7: I lived closer to you. I'd come hang out with
Speaker 7: you on the porch with the squirrels.
Speaker 1: Bro Oh yeah, I'd love to have you.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Well, maybe one day, maybe one day, I'll take a
Speaker 6: road trip out there. If I can never if I
Speaker 6: can ever retire, well you can meet either meet me.
Speaker 1: You can meet me in Texas for a weekend.
Speaker 7: You can meet me in Texas where weekend, or you
Speaker 7: know what, if you ever show up in Georgia, you
Speaker 7: definitely got a place to crash.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to put up with a bunch
Speaker 1: of little doggies.
Speaker 6: But you know, okay, I might wind up taking one home.
Speaker 6: You never know.
Speaker 1: Man, there you go, all right, all right, we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you soon. I really absolutely.
Speaker 21: I know.
Speaker 1: I Okay, So we can go to Jimmy James next,
Speaker 1: or we can go to Count Pupper. That's who I got.
Speaker 1: Let's see I might have Nope, I got Jimmy James
Speaker 1: and Count Pepper. Okay, let's go to Jimmy I suppose Jimmy,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 23: Well yeah hopefully. Yeah, we've gotta get you to go
Speaker 23: to Dell's.
Speaker 1: I would love to meet that in Dallas.
Speaker 2: That would be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 23: Well, all good show and everything. Uh shout up to
Speaker 23: the make and Georgia. Cocaine Bear.
Speaker 1: School, my neighbor.
Speaker 6: I have fast the story.
Speaker 1: I need to be.
Speaker 7: All right, I will get I will get on it
Speaker 7: by next week for you, Jimmy, and see what I
Speaker 7: can dig up. Okay, if I can dig up anything unique,
Speaker 7: you will have it.
Speaker 1: A dog you need to me. I mean Cocaine Bear.
Speaker 23: But I just thought it was like a mean.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was a real bear. It was
Speaker 1: a real thing, and they made a movie out of it,
Speaker 1: like two years ago, I think, and I remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do remember Cocaine Bear.
Speaker 7: But it was a real thing where they dropped cocaine
Speaker 7: in the woods and a bear got ahold of it,
Speaker 7: ate some and went crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah that happens. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of cocaine too.
Speaker 7: It wasn't a little bit of cocaine, a lot of
Speaker 7: kilos of cocaine and this bear, oh boy, I.
Speaker 1: Thought it was a ceial box. But something who got
Speaker 1: some money that day? Anyway, Thanks Jimmy, take care of Jimmy.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you. And that just leaves Count Pepper
Speaker 1: before we get to your guests. So here's Count Pepper.
Speaker 24: Hey, yeah, I just want to get my condolence and
Speaker 24: uh I hope everyone has a safe and happy Fourth
Speaker 24: of July next week?
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Thank you, Thank you proper. It's great
Speaker 1: to talk to you as always. Man, we'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon. Take care. And then do we still have
Speaker 1: Robin Chuck? Is he still here?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Everybody else is gone except your guess now guys, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so that's okay, Yeah, who would like you?
Speaker 1: Who would you like to shout out to? If anybody's
Speaker 1: listening out there, And.
Speaker 4: I'm going to shout out to the American people, all
Speaker 4: of them, all Americans.
Speaker 1: Wow, great shout out? Yeah cool? All right, Well I'll
Speaker 1: just shout out to you. Why, thank you for being
Speaker 1: here on the show. Like we were saying, we'll organize
Speaker 1: another age of transitions and maybe another Uncle show. We'll
Speaker 1: see and we'll have you back.
Speaker 16: Man.
Speaker 1: Do you want do you want to just briefly give
Speaker 1: again your h or your matia authority. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I look good. O good? Yeah, all right, well, thank
Speaker 1: you for being here again this this has been a
Speaker 1: good show. And yeah, I oh once again. I have
Speaker 1: no idea about Ed's situations. I'll just shout out to
Speaker 1: Ed and we feel for you and the fact that
Speaker 1: you are still calling is very good. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you aren't still here, and obviously we're always happy to
Speaker 1: hear you calling, so hopefully will get that. And man,
Speaker 1: it was a good night for callers just generally too,
Speaker 1: because we didn't skip a week. Yank you and not skipping.
Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do about that in the future.
Speaker 1: That's the point. That's the point I'm coming through. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna make any promises on that, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do everything I can to be here all the time
Speaker 1: as as much as I can, so we'll be back everybody.
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Speaker 2: Uncle.
Speaker 1: I wanted. Yeah, shout out.
Speaker 3: One for me.
Speaker 6: One guy.
Speaker 21: I'm shout out to my neighbor that sorry kick couldn't
Speaker 21: figure out all that I knew about in TikTok.
Speaker 1: I'm in shouting out to you to any time you
Speaker 1: have to fee, you call me Uncle. Did some great
Speaker 1: network shout out to me. Shout out to you neighbor.
Speaker 1: I'm TikTok. You know who you are. You need uncle.
Speaker 1: This is a great show this week. Why don't you
Speaker 1: bring us on the three seventy four. Yes, that's right,
Speaker 1: Bye bye, you see
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