Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Help?
Speaker 3: And welcome back to another episode of Strange So on It.
Speaker 3: Today we have two special guests with us, Nick and
Speaker 3: JJ from the Occult Rejects. What is going on? Brothers?
Speaker 4: Hey, Halloi.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having us on it. Very
Speaker 5: exciting for me, especially like I was saying, I listened
Speaker 5: to you from part of my American it's kind of
Speaker 5: bugged out and it's it's cool.
Speaker 3: So thank you very much, and JJ welcome brother.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the invite as well. I
Speaker 6: recently been famiarize with your show and I like your
Speaker 6: all style already so wellome for you the conversation.
Speaker 3: So yeah, tell us about the Occult Rejects because yeah, Nick,
Speaker 3: I think I'm talking to you on Instagram. You're saying
Speaker 3: there's like twelve of you on this.
Speaker 5: Well it probably, I mean if you put everybody together, yeah.
Speaker 4: There is a lot.
Speaker 5: I mean, even if I was to start naming them, Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I probably forget some people that could even be more
Speaker 5: than twelve.
Speaker 4: But I think it's around there.
Speaker 5: But originally didn't start off like that, started off with
Speaker 5: just me and somebody else's name was Lux. He was
Speaker 5: from the Golden Doorn or Amark something like that, kind
Speaker 5: of a hermetic golden down type of magic background. And
Speaker 5: I was in the OTO at one point and left
Speaker 5: and we kind of started a show. He had heard
Speaker 5: my own podcast, The n Why Patriot Show when I
Speaker 5: used to have that originally. He heard that, contacted me
Speaker 5: and we started covering topics together.
Speaker 4: We did that for about a year and a half.
Speaker 4: Things weren't working out.
Speaker 5: He had left, and like I really didn't know what
Speaker 5: to kind of do, and I started just using a
Speaker 5: lot of guests and eventually started forming you know, friendships
Speaker 5: and relationships with these people.
Speaker 4: And after going through.
Speaker 5: So many guests, it was just ones that I realized
Speaker 5: I worked better with and just kind of slowly slowly
Speaker 5: kind of like bringing them into the show. And eventually
Speaker 5: I just realized that one day I had like, you know,
Speaker 5: eight or ten people that like were just constantly on
Speaker 5: the show for different topics and different things, and just
Speaker 5: recently added a few other researches and stuff to it.
Speaker 5: So it's around like I think twelve now.
Speaker 3: Nice, So you're like you're starting your own network down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to joke around saying like at the beginning,
Speaker 5: I was like I wanted to start like the Wu
Speaker 5: tang of like a cult and conspiracy where it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, everybody has like their own little niche and
Speaker 5: they will like kind of like have their own turn
Speaker 5: and say what they got to say, you know, or
Speaker 5: like or like Alistair Crowley's seven seven seven book, but
Speaker 5: like an audio version where it's like you have all
Speaker 5: these you tie You're talking on one topic, but you
Speaker 5: have all these different associations that I get you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely I want to come back
Speaker 3: to the OTO because I think Flex and I were
Speaker 3: talking about that, So we definitely have some questions for you.
Speaker 3: But before we do that, JJ, what's going on?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 3: Tell us about yourself? How did you get involved with
Speaker 3: the Cult Rejects?
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, JJ Vance a host of Operations GDCD and
Speaker 6: the resident true crime expert over there at Uh you know,
Speaker 6: I'll say expert quotation marks SA, I'm an expert in
Speaker 6: nothing but true on the regular true crime correspondent.
Speaker 1: I guess over there at the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 3: Right on, dude, what was the latest true crime store
Speaker 3: you guys covered?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: Shoot, I think the Zizzy and trans Vegan Silicon Valley.
Speaker 3: Death cult, right, so I hadn't even heard that. I looked,
Speaker 3: you guys up, I watched some of that episode. It's
Speaker 3: freaking wild, dude. Yeah, he like it's it's weird because
Speaker 3: none of this really makes the mainstream news. So if
Speaker 3: you guys don't pay attention to like the occult rejects,
Speaker 3: or if you don't just like find these topics randomly,
Speaker 3: you'll never hear about this stuff.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then I even found to the process charts and
Speaker 4: it was like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love true crime, Like I literally go to
Speaker 2: bed listening to it and I wake up listening to it.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't say much about me, but hey,
Speaker 2: as a friend of mine, get a little bit. You know,
Speaker 2: what's Canadians up here? Eh?
Speaker 3: Hey, and you're your favorite holidays Halloween?
Speaker 2: You know, well that's true too. It's like to scare
Speaker 2: the shit out of people.
Speaker 3: So that's right, right, yeah, I know, like so we
Speaker 3: U I think on pardon my American. Way back in
Speaker 3: the day, we did a true crime story about one
Speaker 3: of the sheriffs running for re election in Utah County.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then he was just all of a
Speaker 3: sudden gave this press conference saying I'm not a satanic
Speaker 3: sexual pedophile, you know what I mean, Like he had
Speaker 3: he just came out and know, we're saying, like, all
Speaker 3: these accusations about molesting children, they're not true. And it
Speaker 3: was like an eight to nine minute conversation and everybody's
Speaker 3: just like staring at him like blinking like what.
Speaker 4: Cops like, oh, thank you for letting us know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was Utah prosecutor Utah County Prosecutor David Hamblin. Yes, David,
Speaker 6: all those charges recently just got dropped in this past
Speaker 6: week related to those matters in that case.
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Yeah, holy guacam only okay, because yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember that lost him the election and then he
Speaker 3: was going to like counter suit or something and then
Speaker 3: he didn't know, you know, if it was true or not.
Speaker 5: Those cops seemed like real gung ho too about this.
Speaker 5: Was that the GOP said when they first you know,
Speaker 5: we're kind of looking into him. They seemed like real
Speaker 5: gung hole like too about it, like oh, yeah, it'd
Speaker 5: be great.
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 1: That's the funny part of the story.
Speaker 6: So Hampling was the prosecutor he held that press conference
Speaker 6: telling folks he didn't diddle and eat children, and then
Speaker 6: he moved.
Speaker 1: He moved to Scotland.
Speaker 6: He's got a lot of business in Ukraine too, so
Speaker 6: he's wrapped up in that miss he left. The subsequent
Speaker 6: prosecutor is the one that bundled the case. The sheriff,
Speaker 6: actually the Utah County sheriff this issue to pressed him
Speaker 6: and saying, you know, we gave them all the evidence
Speaker 6: because they got kicked out of court by saying they
Speaker 6: withheld the discovery. The prosecutor's office was withholding discovery in
Speaker 6: the court case.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the sheriff's.
Speaker 3: Fault, right because I remember this all stemmed from an
Speaker 3: accusation from children or like a child, and she gave
Speaker 3: like like a I don't know what it's called, like
Speaker 3: some evidence where you like go into the room and
Speaker 3: you talk like I don't know what the word is
Speaker 3: off the top of my head. But she was disclosing
Speaker 3: all of these events that this therapist Yep, it happened
Speaker 3: like David Hamlin was involved with this therapist. I forget
Speaker 3: the guy's name, but they were in a cult together
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, with an organized satanic cold effort. Sure, yep.
Speaker 3: And I remember downloading the files for that court case
Speaker 3: and reading through some of that stuff that they did. Boy,
Speaker 3: oh boy, is it wild dude. So that's bizarre that
Speaker 3: he was just like, let off the chain. But are
Speaker 3: you surprised?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, are you surprised?
Speaker 6: Come on, not at all. I mean he's brother with
Speaker 6: the governor of Utah. They're very well connected, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, I mean old school, old.
Speaker 6: School Mormon families, you know, o G Mormon families that
Speaker 6: pioneer across the US.
Speaker 2: That's a surprise me. We just had Trudaum or Trudeau
Speaker 2: or Trudeau whatever you want to call them. A prime
Speaker 2: minister stepped down and they brought in Carney and I
Speaker 2: just saw a video and I sent I think I
Speaker 2: sent it to Greg. Where As he's doing this press conference,
Speaker 2: somebody yells out, how many kids did you? Fucking Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein and the whole crowd started booing this guy and
Speaker 2: he's like, he's not very good at speaking French, but
Speaker 2: he was like, oh what, but that just happened two
Speaker 2: days ago, where literally they yelled out at a press
Speaker 2: comments conference, how many kids have you whatever with Epstein.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going on. I'm just right
Speaker 2: in the wave here. It's gonna crash at some point.
Speaker 5: You Oh, I shaw a video on Instagram today where
Speaker 5: there are people like I think, like smashing out and
Speaker 5: screaming at cash but tell too, oh everyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think that, like he's you know that something right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to tell who's like paid protesters or
Speaker 3: being in opposition, you know what I mean, like their
Speaker 3: plants there to make use of all of them at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: All of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to know what's a real grass movement
Speaker 3: at this stage.
Speaker 6: And age I agree with flex if there's people out
Speaker 6: there screaming and stuff that there's at least.
Speaker 1: Some element of that getting paid, Yeah, all of them
Speaker 1: with some element of it.
Speaker 2: And if it's on TV and makes the news, it
Speaker 2: only makes the news and on TV for you guys
Speaker 2: to see it. They're very careful for consumption, and we're
Speaker 2: not supposed to consume this much information. That's why right
Speaker 2: now it's like an overload of information. Like Greg and
Speaker 2: I literally as we get off the show, something happens.
Speaker 2: That's why we started doing more like weekly kind of
Speaker 2: updates versus deep dives because we're just trying to keep
Speaker 2: up with shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's literally like it's like
Speaker 3: a stream of this. It's like a river, and if
Speaker 3: you jump in that river, it's changing and it's rapid
Speaker 3: waters and you're getting hit with rocks and logs and stones.
Speaker 3: And then if you just like barrel roll out of
Speaker 3: the river and you just sit on the sideline and
Speaker 3: you watch the river go by, I mean, life is
Speaker 3: can you guys hear me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Not like my.
Speaker 3: Mic sounds weird right now, hold on just a second.
Speaker 2: If you can't. But if you can't barrel roll out
Speaker 2: of that river, which is what's happening to most people,
Speaker 2: that's where it starts to consume the ship out of
Speaker 2: you because you're just kind of like exactly I I
Speaker 2: actually in the last week kind of just came off
Speaker 2: of Instagram and everything because I had two friends in
Speaker 2: the same day. I have heart attacks last Monday from
Speaker 2: the same area of friends.
Speaker 3: That'll play you out real quick.
Speaker 2: And I was just out of it all week, kind
Speaker 2: of just like I'm not bothering And then by the
Speaker 2: time I went on to look at what's going on today?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like I'm a month behind, but
Speaker 2: it's only been a week, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even a couple of days if you don't
Speaker 3: pay attention, Like it's like what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with.
Speaker 6: When I hear about something, I'm like, oh, I don't
Speaker 6: even know what that means and I don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't need to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so Nick, that tell us about the OTO, Dude, Like,
Speaker 3: how did you get involved with that? Like when did
Speaker 3: you get involved? Like what made you go there and
Speaker 3: what made you get out?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: All right, I'll try to make it a.
Speaker 2: What is what is the.
Speaker 4: Oh? The ot O?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 5: Originally it was a secret society that was created by
Speaker 5: Theodore Russ and like one or two other people.
Speaker 4: I always forget the other people's names.
Speaker 5: And it was kind of like Masonic or they were
Speaker 5: there were Masons, and uh, even at the time, if
Speaker 5: you were a certain degree Masonry, you could go over
Speaker 5: to the OTO and that start from the bottom. It
Speaker 5: was originally like a north shoot of Masonry and they
Speaker 5: had come across I think it was Croley's Book of
Speaker 5: the Law, and they thought he was giving away their secrets.
Speaker 5: So they contacted him and they're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: you're you're talking about our secrets and this and that,
Speaker 5: and they eventually got to like talking, and eventually story goes,
Speaker 5: they handed the order over to him. He changed a
Speaker 5: bunch of the initiates, he knocked out a bunch of them,
Speaker 5: brought him down to thirteen, and then I think, you know,
Speaker 5: and then obviously he turned it over with the Holy
Speaker 5: Book as being in the Book of the Law, and
Speaker 5: then you go from there. But yeah, originally it was
Speaker 5: like a freemason offeshoot.
Speaker 2: So but it's tied to ceremonial magic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Alista Crowley, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Until Ilima and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I'm not mistaken this Theore Roust character Nick
Speaker 6: he he was connected to the Whishaw Bavarian Illuminati too.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes, okay, so we have the Bavarian Illuminati.
Speaker 5: Are even one of their sorry, but even like one
Speaker 5: of their higher up initiator degrees. When you get initiated
Speaker 5: like something Illuminati is perfect. A pont Off Illuminati or
Speaker 5: something like that is even like an add on. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm not I don't get that high, but that is
Speaker 5: an add on name that you'll be taking.
Speaker 2: I'm honored.
Speaker 4: Something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Yeah, So what made you kind of go
Speaker 3: down the road and knock on their door?
Speaker 5: Well, when I first got into conspiracies, I guess I
Speaker 5: was kind of like I got big into like Jordan Maxwell,
Speaker 5: David I, Michael Tassari, and Passio like a lot of
Speaker 5: the people that kind of you know hit occultism, you know,
Speaker 5: touched on that a lot. So I did kind of
Speaker 5: you know, catch my attention, and I did think that
Speaker 5: there was something behind it. I did believe that they
Speaker 5: might actually be you know, magic and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Uh So, like it was just something that like after
Speaker 5: years of being into conspiracy theories and like kind of
Speaker 5: like researching my own stuff, after like listening to shows
Speaker 5: and you know, like things on presentations on YouTube, you know,
Speaker 5: I would always kind of research that stuff, and just
Speaker 5: after a while, I was like, you know, like I'm
Speaker 5: looking to like where I'm looking to follow all these
Speaker 5: orders and all these people who started him and making
Speaker 5: all these connections. I was like, but I still actually
Speaker 5: don't know what the health this stuff is.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not.
Speaker 5: Learning any like I still don't understand what magic are
Speaker 5: the occult is to that extent, And I was like,
Speaker 5: you know, like I started thinking, like maybe I start.
Speaker 4: Like researching it and getting books.
Speaker 5: And I did get a couple of books, and I
Speaker 5: basically realized that I would probably be more into ceremonial magic.
Speaker 5: And then, like I always I had known because of
Speaker 5: high school, I had a teaching with the last name
Speaker 5: of Crowley, and somehow he brought up Ozzy Osbourne's mister Crowley,
Speaker 5: Alice the Crowley, so you know, I know who he
Speaker 5: was already by the time I started getting into this stuff,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, let me look into like
Speaker 5: that in the Golden Down and other things that I
Speaker 5: know that's like ceremonial magic. And uh again I was
Speaker 5: much more interested actually in the Golden Down, but there
Speaker 5: was none near me, so when I started looking for places,
Speaker 5: because like after a while, even with books, you start
Speaker 5: getting confused about what's what, because like I'll even like
Speaker 5: somebody was referencing in their book Alieta Crowley's rush, and
Speaker 5: then the way you see them do it in their
Speaker 5: book wasn't actually the same way that it's done in
Speaker 5: Alista Crowley. So it's like something's fucked up and something's
Speaker 5: wrong here. So now you're even like, ya, how do
Speaker 5: you even know what to go by? So I was like,
Speaker 5: maybe maybe I should get like involved in one of
Speaker 5: these places and actually be around people that are practice.
Speaker 5: I might actually have an idea of suggestions of like
Speaker 5: what's legit. So I started looking for places and there
Speaker 5: was no Golden Dawn near me. I knew freemasonry from
Speaker 5: a freemason that I didn't know that was in ceremonial magic,
Speaker 5: said you'll be there for years and years and years
Speaker 5: before you could even get into this stuff. They said,
Speaker 5: you're better off with like Golden Dawn, Oto, Martinism, or
Speaker 5: if it's something else.
Speaker 4: I too. He mentioned a few things.
Speaker 5: So I was like, let me check the go the
Speaker 5: OTO and I was like, wow, there's one like twenty
Speaker 5: five minutes away.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I guess I'll try it out.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I I cause again I
Speaker 5: did think Alista Crowley was probably a degenerate, but I
Speaker 5: thought he was in a cult genius.
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, I'll.
Speaker 5: Give it a card something right, Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 5: went online, uh yeah, again, like I found out there
Speaker 5: was one near me. They all have their own sites
Speaker 5: somehow there they are on social media. Somehow you'll be
Speaker 5: able to find out like their events in some sort
Speaker 5: of way. And I contacted them and let them know
Speaker 5: that I wanted to come to a Gnostic Mass, and
Speaker 5: the day of they sent me the directions.
Speaker 4: I went, and you know, it was weird.
Speaker 5: It was a little bit weirder than I expected, but
Speaker 5: somehow ended up staying six about six years okay, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: Uh is it true?
Speaker 3: Do they have like sex magic rituals and stuff like that?
Speaker 5: I mean, they could be doing that outside of the
Speaker 5: order for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean I went in doubt it. Are people thinking
Speaker 4: that they're doing something.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I will say that the the only
Speaker 5: thing I had ever seen that was sexuals in the
Speaker 5: Gnostic Mass.
Speaker 4: You can see it on the vimeo version, not on
Speaker 4: the YouTube version. That was the thing.
Speaker 5: I watched the Gnostic Mass on YouTube, so it was
Speaker 5: you know, PG rated. I go there, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: titties are coming out. So I was like, that wasn't
Speaker 5: on YouTube, right, And I was like, oh, this gets
Speaker 5: any weird, And so I sent it into eyes White Shirt.
Speaker 4: I'm getting the fuck out of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I watched there was a TV show called
Speaker 3: I Think Strange Angels.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's I mean, listen, it might have been
Speaker 5: like that, then I would not doubt that place possibly.
Speaker 5: But when I was when I was going to the lodge,
Speaker 5: I was going it was nothing like that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: You had one ship at the NaSTA Manage with the
Speaker 5: boops hanging out and that was it.
Speaker 4: And yeah, most of the people there.
Speaker 6: That was the Agape Lodge, right, the one strange angel
Speaker 6: that Oh yes, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there a kind of there's kind of different flavors though, Nick, Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: I would think so, yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Know, like like the Freemasons, they have different kinds of lodges, right,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Example, you're gonna have different people that like, just different mindsets.
Speaker 4: That's another thing too.
Speaker 5: I mean one lodge can change from the next because
Speaker 5: you could have somebody who's a little bit more conservative,
Speaker 5: or somebody's a little bit more liberal who might be
Speaker 5: trying to run the lodge, or it just happens to
Speaker 5: be more liberals in that area.
Speaker 4: So it's going to have that flavor.
Speaker 5: But uh, for the most part, I would say the
Speaker 5: oto And again, I think both sides sucked. But one
Speaker 5: of the reasons why I even left is because I
Speaker 5: think they were far left, or at least they were
Speaker 5: pushing that ideology in my opinion, so really that I
Speaker 5: was going to yeah, yeah, they crumbled with the CDC
Speaker 5: around COVID at one point. If when they even decided
Speaker 5: to open up the doors again, you had to be vaccinated.
Speaker 4: I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 5: The crazy thing too, is they send out an email
Speaker 5: saying that ninety three percent.
Speaker 4: I'm like, really, ninety three ninety three.
Speaker 5: Percent of the lodge members are not comfortable going back
Speaker 5: to the loves without people being backs. I'm like, you're
Speaker 5: fucking kidding me. You're really using ninety three for this
Speaker 5: right now to mind from people and forcing them to.
Speaker 1: Get So what is ninety three?
Speaker 4: It's like the lima, you know love Okay, yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: So they probably just threw it up.
Speaker 5: I'm like, come on, and it's like, yo, how many
Speaker 5: like these people are gonna be like oh wow, ninety three?
Speaker 4: Well I get you know, like I think it's cool
Speaker 4: and go it must.
Speaker 2: Be, it must be meant to be, and we have
Speaker 2: to kill it.
Speaker 5: Was just like what I was like, Yo, I was
Speaker 5: like Jesus Christ has his doors open right now, but
Speaker 5: fucking horse is scared.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of you.
Speaker 3: Come on, like with the Golden Dawn and like the
Speaker 3: Golden Age and literally Donald Trump. I did a four
Speaker 3: part series called the Golden Dawn Series, but it's more
Speaker 3: about Donald Trump being the anti Christ, and it's just
Speaker 3: like potential, you know, looking at some evidence. What do
Speaker 3: you think, is there anything that ties back to the Oto,
Speaker 3: anything with like Elon Musk, Donald Trump. Do you see
Speaker 3: any trends with Thalaima and them.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of them newer magic. I think
Speaker 4: probably JJ might even agree that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: I think there's a few different styles that are still
Speaker 5: heavily uh kind of influential, and I do think thelen
Speaker 5: is definitely one of them them, though I I you know,
Speaker 5: a while ago, I probably would have thought the Limik,
Speaker 5: and I do still think despite the Limic elements in there,
Speaker 5: I think that they are occultists, at least especially Elon.
Speaker 5: I mean, Donald Trump I still think is too. But yeah,
Speaker 5: Thelemix especially, I don't know about that. I would think
Speaker 5: maybe Trump is a little bit more on the masonry side.
Speaker 4: I don't know about it. Come on, but I definitely
Speaker 4: think that those guys are fucking with magic. I hate
Speaker 4: to say it.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to sound too crazy or too you
Speaker 5: know whatever, too extreme, but like I would quate them
Speaker 5: a lot to Himmler and Hitler.
Speaker 2: I mean, does it maga mean dark magic?
Speaker 3: You know, it's like if what layer of the Satanic
Speaker 3: Church or something level? But like, so, what specifically have
Speaker 3: you seen in like the Trump administration Elon Musk that
Speaker 3: makes you think this guy's into fucking magic, He's into
Speaker 3: some occult.
Speaker 4: Do you have any opinions on that? JJ.
Speaker 1: First, well, Elon Musk, in my opinion, is a Ralian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he banned Kanye for posting the reelien symbol.
Speaker 2: Right we are. But if you can just explain that
Speaker 2: to anyone who's watching, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 6: It's a I mean there are ceremonial sexual rich sex,
Speaker 6: you know, sex magic, sexual sex, ritual magic cult that
Speaker 6: deeply believes in some technocratic kind of transhumanism stuff and cloning.
Speaker 6: So these are the ideals that that Elon espouses, with
Speaker 6: his transhumanism ideals and whatnot. But he's also clearly into
Speaker 6: you know, some weird you know what appears to be
Speaker 6: strange sexual activities, at least when he's popping out a
Speaker 6: Baker's dozen kids. Nonetheless, his last baby's mama, she she's admitted.
Speaker 1: To being a member of the Brilliance, So I suspect
Speaker 1: also Grimes. Is it Grimes, that's.
Speaker 2: The fourteenth child, thirteenth.
Speaker 1: Whatever whatever baby's mama?
Speaker 3: That was yep, saying Claire, Yeah, I actually saying Claire
Speaker 3: just came out saying.
Speaker 4: Oh I saw that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then I'm not buying that. What's your all
Speaker 6: thoughts on that one? As much as I as I
Speaker 6: claim Elon Musk is in the sex ritual magic cult
Speaker 6: that believes in you know, he's the Nazi symbol and
Speaker 6: the star David as their logo, I'm not buying this
Speaker 6: whole Ashley Saint Clair business.
Speaker 1: What are your all thoughts?
Speaker 2: Honestly, flex what do you think?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, if I have to think, if I have to
Speaker 2: think that long on it, that gives you an example,
Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm confused with everything at some point, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of like, I think it's a sye up on
Speaker 2: top of a sye oup on top of a sy up.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm literally sometimes just brain dead with all
Speaker 2: this and Greg. Greg tells me, oh, yeah, he's had
Speaker 2: this many kids. He hasn't had sex with any of
Speaker 2: these wives. And I'm like, yeah, all of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Don't get I don't get this kid hanging out with
Speaker 2: him and Trump. And just two weeks ago, Trump's walking
Speaker 2: on the lawn and his son is Elon's Son's walking
Speaker 2: with him, but there's no Elon in sight, and the
Speaker 2: comments are like, like, what are you doing? Like seriously, like,
Speaker 2: what what are you doing? So I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't even know his mom. Who's the president,
Speaker 2: who's your mama, who's your daddy? Who freaking knows at
Speaker 2: this point?
Speaker 3: Right, So, like with Elon, I don't know if he's
Speaker 3: ever had sex with a woman.
Speaker 2: I don't think he can.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, this, isn't this some like Epstein Zoro
Speaker 3: Ranch type of activity that we're going on here? Yeah,
Speaker 3: A bunch of sperm and a PETR dish and then
Speaker 3: hand it out to win and then that just you know,
Speaker 3: they can have all of Elon's kids.
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's a robot, are an alien? I mean,
Speaker 2: how can you can?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: I don't know, right, but I don't know about magic
Speaker 6: stuff with Trump, but you know, he certainly has a
Speaker 6: lot of Epstein stuff still in around his administration if
Speaker 6: y'all noticed.
Speaker 3: That, Oh really like uh like who?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: Howard Lenik, the Commerce Secretary. He used to share a
Speaker 6: wall with Jeffrey Epstein at the Manhattan townhouse. He was
Speaker 6: the next door neighbor, lived right across the street from
Speaker 6: Bill Cosby.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, they're Cosby and people together.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 6: I imagine Cosby used to Cosby dances away over there with
Speaker 6: some jell o puddings.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's tons of jello pudding going on with
Speaker 5: those guys.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So lut Nick kelled a very high dollar campaign fundraiser
Speaker 6: there in that same townhouse with the same you know,
Speaker 6: the adjoining wall with Epstein there, back in twenty sixteen
Speaker 6: for Hillary Clinton. So that's howur Lutnik. He's an interesting character.
Speaker 6: He's the Commerce secretary. Was he handpicked by Trump?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It seems to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Trump Trump Trump acts like their best buds,
Speaker 6: even though Trump and him used to hate each other.
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting dynamic.
Speaker 3: It's a big steam operation though, JJ you got to
Speaker 3: remember he's just faking all this stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: Like trust trust the plan.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. I've trusted the plan before
Speaker 3: and the plan threw me to the curves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the plan sucks.
Speaker 5: It got me for a few months. I will admit
Speaker 5: that to It got me for a few months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that will.
Speaker 1: That will say.
Speaker 5: There was one thing I did appreciate about your show.
Speaker 5: I don't remember who exactly it was, but one of
Speaker 5: yous were a little leary about it, and the other
Speaker 5: one was like, oh, Dave, yeah yeah, so at least
Speaker 5: it kind of was like it was balanced.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a leary about the plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: One was like, I don't know, man, I think we're
Speaker 5: being had, and I think, yeah, I guess you were like, no,
Speaker 5: I think there might be something there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, somebody's got a plane, right.
Speaker 6: Because Pam Bondi the attorney general, she was the Attorney
Speaker 6: General of Florida and at the time not it was
Speaker 6: after the Epstein conviction from seven but twenty eleven to
Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, I believe she never prosecuted Epstein for failure
Speaker 6: to register as a sex offender properly. It was not
Speaker 6: properly registering as a sex offender. I know this because
Speaker 6: I wanted. I did a deep dive on Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 6: in like January of twenty seventeen on my podcast, and I,
Speaker 6: you know, looking at all the documents of court records
Speaker 6: in Florida, I realized, this dude hasn't been registering properly.
Speaker 6: He wasn't registering in New York properly, the Virgin Islands
Speaker 6: or New Mexico. So but Pam Bondi was the attorney
Speaker 6: attorney general in Florida. She could have done something about.
Speaker 3: That, right, you know, It's it's odd, like you have
Speaker 3: all these legal loops and you know what was it,
Speaker 3: alex A Costa or alex Acosta YEP, don't. I don't
Speaker 3: remember what position he was. But he was supposed to
Speaker 3: be like charging Jeffrey Epstein, but he dropped all the
Speaker 3: charges against him, and they asked him, like why he
Speaker 3: did it. He goes, that's I was told he's intelligence
Speaker 3: and that's above my pay grade.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: Gives the US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.
Speaker 6: There And I like to bad mouth the FBI on
Speaker 6: a frequent basis, and for good reasons. I called them,
Speaker 6: the Federal Bureau of Uninvestigations. But if you look at
Speaker 6: that case, the FBI.
Speaker 1: As is on the ground, did a great job.
Speaker 6: It was Alex Acosta who said and the prosecutor he
Speaker 6: dropped it so right, and and that was That's been
Speaker 6: a point that you know, we've flex and I have
Speaker 6: talked about, and you know we talked about on part of.
Speaker 3: My American quite a bit. Is like, yeah, you can
Speaker 3: have good people in there, and they can do all
Speaker 3: this groundwork and everything's great, but like once you get
Speaker 3: to the judge, if you have a corrupt judge and
Speaker 3: corrupt lawyers, I mean, it's a game over. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do that those criminals or those
Speaker 3: pedophiles will be back.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the fact that nobody has been arrested
Speaker 2: for this kid's stuff. Now, it's much harder to arrest somebody, uh,
Speaker 2: with laundering money or like government right, like some stuff
Speaker 2: and what they're trying to do a doge and everything.
Speaker 2: But I constantly say to our group, our followers, who
Speaker 2: still some of them believe in the plan, going like,
Speaker 2: how has not one person been arrested for any of
Speaker 2: the kid's stuff? And I think if anybody did do
Speaker 2: stuff the kids and got arrested, let's say Tom whatever,
Speaker 2: Hanks or whatever, then you know that would show that
Speaker 2: they're not above the law. But nobody has been arrested.
Speaker 2: Now with the Diddy stuff, it'll be interesting. But I'm
Speaker 2: hearing a lot of shit's gonna probably get dropped. And
Speaker 2: you know, he was the Greg and I both think
Speaker 2: he's sort of the escapegoat. Give give us a little
Speaker 2: bit to get us kind of like again, reel us
Speaker 2: in a little bit, dangle the carrot in front of us.
Speaker 2: But until there's an arrest on the kids stuff, which
Speaker 2: should be easy to do.
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, like we've talked about
Speaker 3: how Hollywood is like the fall guy for politicians, it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: look over there, look at it. How corrupt and dirty
Speaker 3: Hollywood is like, and then they get to get away
Speaker 3: with everything dirty themselves. You know, it's like, sure, okay,
Speaker 3: I do think.
Speaker 1: The Diddy situation could get interesting.
Speaker 6: And here's why he's He's sitting in a jail cell
Speaker 6: with Sam Bankment freed. They've hired the same legal counsels
Speaker 6: Sam Bankman free despite all of his money laundering with
Speaker 6: FTX and I'll me research and all the tom floury
Speaker 6: they were involved in, including money laundering in out of
Speaker 6: Ukraine with US tax payer funds. That's definitely still on
Speaker 6: the table in the mix there. But what's interesting is
Speaker 6: Sam Bankman Freed bought a small rural bank in rural
Speaker 6: Washington and no one knew about it until he filed bankruptcy.
Speaker 6: And when I say royal Washington, like right on the
Speaker 6: line of Idaho. And for some reason p Daddy there
Speaker 6: decided to make a trip to Cordelaine.
Speaker 1: Right before he got arrested. So whatever's going in that bank.
Speaker 6: Sam Bankman Free's rural Washington bank there god busted in
Speaker 6: December twenty twenty two for money laundering, so he bought
Speaker 6: it to just specifically money launder apparently like give us cash,
Speaker 6: We'll give you a crypto. So that's not really talked
Speaker 6: about so much in the situation. But I do find
Speaker 6: it interesting that PDD he has some strange connections to
Speaker 6: get a quarter lane right before we got arrested, and
Speaker 6: now he's sitting in the same jail cell with a
Speaker 6: man who's got some criminal charges from the same region,
Speaker 6: and they have the same legal counsel.
Speaker 3: Right, very strange. So what do you think that's all about.
Speaker 3: Do you think that they have some money tied up
Speaker 3: together and they're they're saying, hey, let's make a deal
Speaker 3: like we got something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's I think it's one big network. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think it's a deeply if you want my honest opinion,
Speaker 6: because I've been studying these whole circumstances since about in
Speaker 6: November twenty twenty two, because on one topic Nick and
Speaker 6: I cover on the Occult Rejects quite a bit we've
Speaker 6: done I don't know, maybe eight or nine shows now
Speaker 6: probably ten as the Idaho for murder case.
Speaker 1: You all familiar with that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Coburger Kilberger whatever his name.
Speaker 1: Is, Coburger.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've asserted since since the onset the covert did
Speaker 1: not do it. So that's my position set up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the triggering event for this stuff, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: was FTX filing bankruptcy on November eleventh, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: The world found out that they had they had broken
Speaker 6: a number of laws purchasing this bank, mixing crypto and
Speaker 6: banking together, which violated violated federal law. They didn't violate
Speaker 6: state law because they paid off the state regulator, did
Speaker 6: not break the law, and then they hired that state
Speaker 6: regulator to be their chief legal council for their new bank.
Speaker 6: So technically that was legal. Technically that was legal.
Speaker 2: How do you clean this shit up? Like, if people
Speaker 2: think that Trump's coming in and he's going to clean
Speaker 2: all this up in four years, I'm like, oh, like, honestly,
Speaker 2: pull your head out of your ass by now, Like
Speaker 2: that's not the case. If he wasn't part of the system,
Speaker 2: he'd be gone by now.
Speaker 3: That a long time.
Speaker 5: Ago, you know, real quick, I do want to mention
Speaker 5: real quick. I'm sorry to throw upt you, JJ. It
Speaker 5: was just something that I just remembered and and this
Speaker 5: is another reason why he said, I do a question
Speaker 5: about Trump maybe being more aligned with Freemasonry. When we
Speaker 5: covered I think the Shriners in the a Shriner's and
Speaker 5: Gesters Freemason's orders on the Occult Rejects. It was a
Speaker 5: time I think it was maybe back in twenty seventeen
Speaker 5: or whatever around there. Trump I think had mentioned this guy,
Speaker 5: Gus Beller Racis. He gave thanks to him at the
Speaker 5: end of his like his thing, and he had him
Speaker 5: stand up and thank you and I don't know what
Speaker 5: made me think about it, but like I ran the
Speaker 5: guy's name and I was like, oh, this guy's actually
Speaker 5: like he's he ran for something and was not allowed
Speaker 5: to run anymore because his opponent proved that he used
Speaker 5: his campaign money to pay for Royal Order of the
Speaker 5: Jester dues.
Speaker 4: And the guy was on TV.
Speaker 5: I was working on my show, fixing notes, and I
Speaker 5: hear Trump again thanking Gus bell A Racis. Can you
Speaker 5: please stand up, Gus, stand up, Gus, let everybody see it, Gus,
Speaker 5: Gus Beller Rakis. This is my friend, my man, Gus
Speaker 5: bell A Rakis again focusing on this guy. So I
Speaker 5: don't know what's up with that, but he's a confirmed
Speaker 5: the Royal Order of the Jesters and that they have
Speaker 5: been busted for some sick ship.
Speaker 2: Well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean Trump would be shining a light on these individuals
Speaker 3: so that way everybody can do their research on them,
Speaker 3: right and man, seventy chests, right, seventy chess and then
Speaker 3: you know it's like.
Speaker 2: Check it's eighty checkers now stack stack date high King.
Speaker 2: I like double D checkers, double D checkers. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, it shows you how tone de Trump can be
Speaker 3: sometimes because at his rally, like his MAGA rally, he
Speaker 3: invited what like the chief executive officer from Pfizer or
Speaker 3: something up on stage. This guy is a lovely guy.
Speaker 3: Lots somebody in my donations come on out here, and
Speaker 3: everyone's like, you have like five people clapping, and everyone's
Speaker 3: like looking at it, like what do we doo?
Speaker 5: His second day out the gate, he brings Yeah, it
Speaker 5: might be the same dude or whatever. He brings somebody on
Speaker 5: talking about vaccinations for like cancer, And I was like, Yo,
Speaker 5: your second dude, you're already talking about vaccines.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Have you dug into Larry Elison JJ?
Speaker 1: Yeah quite a bit?
Speaker 6: Actually, I especially before this Izzy and Cole came about,
Speaker 6: I've been I've been interested in a lot of the
Speaker 6: weird activities of Silicon Valley, including folks like Peter Teel.
Speaker 1: You know JD.
Speaker 6: Vance is a financier if you will, over the years, right, boy,
Speaker 6: not to speak ill of mckenn folky. We are distant cousins,
Speaker 6: but I am not the vice president and he obviously
Speaker 6: shady backgrounds, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Wait, you're distance cousins with Vance?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes, sir?
Speaker 3: Okay, how does that work, just uh, friend met a
Speaker 3: friend and got together made a baby.
Speaker 6: I often I question a lot about these things and
Speaker 6: bloodlines and heritage in US politics, and it's a that's
Speaker 6: something I study a lot, and with the secret society
Speaker 6: that started America, and I would argue that perhaps j
Speaker 6: D's in that position as a result of such lineage
Speaker 6: to this hereditary society.
Speaker 3: Looks like he came out of nowhere, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: Like he did? He did enough? What's that?
Speaker 2: Didn't he hate Trump?
Speaker 1: He was big anti Trumper? Yeah, straight.
Speaker 6: Strangely enough, some of his political backers had had approached
Speaker 6: me a year prior to run for US Center of Ohio.
Speaker 6: You know, you're you're prior to him running for that position.
Speaker 6: So I again, I wonder if what is what's the
Speaker 6: nature of some of these how these people come about
Speaker 6: out of nowhere, like you're saying, because they're part of
Speaker 6: the family.
Speaker 2: Only yeah, selected selected, not you know, elected?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, did you never.
Speaker 6: See that Will Ferrell Zach Galifianakis movie?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like that.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: Also, Peter Thiel also gave J.
Speaker 1: JD.
Speaker 5: Evans ten million dollars, So I mean that that could
Speaker 5: also make you like Trump a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm for sale. They but he wants to give
Speaker 2: me any money. I'll take what is killing us up here.
Speaker 3: Flex will sell out in a heartbeat.
Speaker 4: I'll put a maga hat off at ten million.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like jd Vance, what I've heard is he
Speaker 3: was a never Trumper, you know, hillbilly efpig, whatever the
Speaker 3: hell his book is. He would write about Trump all
Speaker 3: the things that he disagreed with, and then he had
Speaker 3: this meeting at the White House or in mar al Largo.
Speaker 3: Excuse me with Peter Teal. Is it Peter Teal or
Speaker 3: Peter Thiel? I know, I don't even care potato potato.
Speaker 3: So Peter Teal invites jd Vance to go meet Trump
Speaker 3: after that meeting their buddy buddy. From what I understand,
Speaker 3: but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know if if that's
Speaker 3: how it happened.
Speaker 2: But Wolf Wola, well there does seem.
Speaker 6: To do this PayPal mafia control of the Trumpet instreation
Speaker 6: between Teal and Musk, right, Yeah, And it makes me
Speaker 6: wonder about the other pay Pal mafia guys are doing
Speaker 6: around the around the scenes, behind the scenes there, because
Speaker 6: that's only two of I think five with the guys
Speaker 6: that are known as the quote unquote pay Pal mafia.
Speaker 6: But yeah, Teal funded jd Vance's career out there in
Speaker 6: Silicon Valley VC world, right, the venture capitalist firms, the
Speaker 6: jd Vance ran, we're all financed by Peter Teal mm
Speaker 6: hmm yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's the big the big surveillance one. What's
Speaker 3: that called Palatine. Yeah, he deeals everywhere, so Teal, So
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's finding financing all these venture capital firms.
Speaker 3: But if you look back at you know, I said, looking,
Speaker 3: you're asking me about Oracle and Larry Ellison. Looking back
Speaker 3: at a lot of these characters of Silicon Valley, they
Speaker 3: all have spook origins. I mean, Heal's Teal's doing the
Speaker 3: initial seed funding for the CIA, you know, years ago.
Speaker 1: Right, that's his VC firm, you know. So so are
Speaker 1: the VC firms underneath him? Then?
Speaker 6: Are they all just underneath the same umbrella? I would
Speaker 6: say probably, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then Larry Ellison was on the board of X
Speaker 3: or one of those things. I like, I know elon
Speaker 3: Musk there's a post on X where he's like the
Speaker 3: member of the board, Larry Ellison and blah, blah blah,
Speaker 3: and you know they're they're they're in tight for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean that the whole network is, you know, the
Speaker 6: whole Silicon Valley crowd. I mean Bill Gates and and
Speaker 6: Steve Jobs used to kick it on their off times
Speaker 6: despite hating each other publicly.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, Trump had a three hour dinner meeting with
Speaker 3: Bill Gates, uh, supposedly right after the presidency.
Speaker 4: You talk me about Trump's mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it's like it's weird when you
Speaker 3: look at Trump's his inauguration, big tech, it was. He
Speaker 3: was just surrounded by you know, big tech boobs and
Speaker 3: big tech.
Speaker 1: That's big tech.
Speaker 6: Yes, that should be his campaign slogan. If he runs
Speaker 6: run for a third turn, and he will, he will,
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. That's what everyone claims. Right, But
Speaker 6: do you think is a big.
Speaker 4: Tech You think he'll try to run for a third turn.
Speaker 1: That's what everybody says. I don't think so. A lot
Speaker 1: of people claim you will if they.
Speaker 2: Prove and ever comes out that you know what, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty was taken, which I thought that was how he
Speaker 2: would get his term back and then he would come
Speaker 2: in and get voted. But they kind of skipped the
Speaker 2: whole Let's not investigate the twenty twenty thing. Well, whether
Speaker 2: it was COVID this or the thing that you put
Speaker 2: a ballot into. Greg And I say, until you expose,
Speaker 2: really expose those three things, not nine to eleven, not JFK,
Speaker 2: not school. I don't know about any school shootings, nothing,
Speaker 2: it's what's happened in the last five years. Then I'm
Speaker 2: not on board. You know, I'll be on board a
Speaker 2: little bit more when we have some answers for those
Speaker 2: three things.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean when it comes to putting your ballot
Speaker 3: in the box. I mean that's supposedly how we changed
Speaker 3: this thing. And if we can't change this thing, then
Speaker 3: that's a big old black pill right there, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: People are like, don't be a black pill.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, how are we going to change
Speaker 3: this honestly without you know, really violent actions. And I'm not,
Speaker 3: you know, saying we should do that, but how do
Speaker 3: you change it? Like because everybody's saying, well, you vote
Speaker 3: your you know, vote how you want. Like, okay, well
Speaker 3: what if that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It hasn't. I've been around for fifty years almost I'm
Speaker 2: forty nine.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's even harder.
Speaker 2: I haven't voted probably in fifteen twenty years when I
Speaker 2: woke up a little bit being like, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what you say or what you do. These people are selected,
Speaker 2: not elected. It's all ancestral. Like, so our new prime
Speaker 2: Minister Carney is the god parent to Kristin Freeland, who's
Speaker 2: the former finance minister next to Trudeau. So like they're
Speaker 2: all they're all connected, you know, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's the godfather of our sketchy I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've ever seen her talk, but she's cracked out when
Speaker 2: she's talking. And Trudeau's right hand person. So there's they're
Speaker 2: all they're all connected. They're all connected. So like I
Speaker 2: tell people, like, if you guys think you're vote really works,
Speaker 2: then why has nothing gotten better in the last fifty years.
Speaker 2: It's the same party on both ends and they just
Speaker 2: basically same lobbys, same corporation, same you know. Well as
Speaker 2: we know that one country pretty well runs everything, the masade,
Speaker 2: you know, so until that is exposed, and it won't be,
Speaker 2: none of this will get exposed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick, were you going to say something?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh I was gonna say, I guess you know, when
Speaker 5: it does come to voting, I do a question of
Speaker 5: the question that highly and I do even think that's
Speaker 5: sometimes why you know, you have all these different political parties,
Speaker 5: because in my opinion, if voting doesn't count, then it's like,
Speaker 5: all right, well, how do.
Speaker 4: You fix this problem?
Speaker 5: And then everybody has to kind of be on page
Speaker 5: with each other and just not abide to things that
Speaker 5: they don't agree with. That that's trying to be forced
Speaker 5: onto us. But when you have all these different political
Speaker 5: ideologies that you're supposed to wait to hear to or
Speaker 5: you have to choose from, you'll never get that.
Speaker 4: I think until people are totally fed up with their
Speaker 4: own party.
Speaker 3: And in any other option exactly right, it's like, well
Speaker 3: Trump is not Biden. So it's like and that's what
Speaker 3: usually people say, is like, am I supposed to vote
Speaker 3: for Biden? Am I supposed to vote for Kamala? Like, well, no,
Speaker 3: I mean you could just not vote. I mean, just
Speaker 3: show people that really what you think.
Speaker 6: But I've never voted. I've never voted, And some of
Speaker 6: the opinion votes don't matter. They didn't matter in eighteen
Speaker 6: oh four, they didn't matter in the election of eighteen
Speaker 6: seventy six.
Speaker 1: They didn't matter in the election of two thousands.
Speaker 6: You know, So even if we're even if we're gonna
Speaker 6: blame you know, Venezuela and Chinese voting machines today, is
Speaker 6: the votes have never mattered, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's it's so hard to trust a system
Speaker 3: where there's so much doubt that has been injected into
Speaker 3: this whole system. But you know, it is what it is,
Speaker 3: Like what are we going to do? You know, and
Speaker 3: until you get everybody on the same page and demanding
Speaker 3: an answer, but like they get distracted by that river
Speaker 3: of information that we talked about at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the show, Like it's just not going to work. Like
Speaker 3: everybody is just tripping over getting clicks on social media
Speaker 3: being the next big thing, like trying to be a
Speaker 3: big show. They're trying to like actually just go to
Speaker 3: work and get money for their family. And so how
Speaker 3: can we organize something that really will have some teeth
Speaker 3: and do something, And like people point to you know,
Speaker 3: put your money where the where your mouth is, and
Speaker 3: you know, don't buy things for certain companies, like if
Speaker 3: it's like a woke company, don't go buy their products.
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing with you know, like the
Speaker 3: game Stop. I don't know if you know about the
Speaker 3: game Stop stock manipulations?
Speaker 1: Yes, do you know who owned robin Hood?
Speaker 6: Who the company that was involved in all that stock
Speaker 6: manipulation activity?
Speaker 3: Ftx ahh. So they were behind this whole because I was.
Speaker 1: I was believe they were owner of Robinhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yes, I was involved in it.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean to what extent? You know,
Speaker 6: I don't think I don't think we know, right, Like,
Speaker 6: what's the full story on that?
Speaker 3: Right exactly? Because somebody had to know what was going on,
Speaker 3: like they were buying hoping that the companies would fail.
Speaker 3: And then you know it's like, oh, well who told
Speaker 3: you that?
Speaker 2: You know? How did we find the information?
Speaker 3: Now it wasn't just like studying trends and be like,
Speaker 3: oh it was an Internet sleuth and they they found
Speaker 3: it on a chan board or something. I don't know. Okay, Well,
Speaker 3: so Nick, going back to the OTO, how did you
Speaker 3: get out of that?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Like, what was your breaking point where you're just like, dude,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 5: It was around the time of COVID right prior to that,
Speaker 5: I really wasn't going that much anymore anyway, uh because
Speaker 5: when I just, you know, I guess I was having
Speaker 5: more you know, I was practicing at home and they
Speaker 5: even say the magic happens by yourself. But I guess,
Speaker 5: like at some point, I guess in my magical career
Speaker 5: due to experiences that I was just having. I was
Speaker 5: just like, I don't think this, you know, and it
Speaker 5: was having good experiences. I was just like, I don't
Speaker 5: think this place really emulates the direction.
Speaker 4: I'm going in or the people there.
Speaker 5: Just aren't going in the same direction. I think it's me,
Speaker 5: which I always felt out of place anyway when I went.
Speaker 5: But uh, I just didn't agree with Uh. Again, I
Speaker 5: just thought magically, since I wasn't ocultist and I would
Speaker 5: still consider myself one, now.
Speaker 4: It just wasn't. It wasn't. It didn't have anything to
Speaker 4: offer me anymore.
Speaker 3: And flexes like zoom almost oh yeah, but why are
Speaker 3: you having these thumbs down on your year Zoom, I
Speaker 3: don't know my thumbs.
Speaker 2: Like he's doing something before balloons. I'm I saw balloons before,
Speaker 2: right balloons, And then you know this is like fireworks.
Speaker 4: You got a mac. You have a Mac.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have a mac.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that happens.
Speaker 2: I'm taking it all in, I'm learning and I'm just okay,
Speaker 2: well no hands.
Speaker 3: Then zoom is just too smart. It's it's reading everything.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So as far as magic and the oto, have you
Speaker 3: ever had experiences with something actually working for you and
Speaker 3: you consider that to be a magic and you contributed
Speaker 3: to what you've learned?
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, yeah, I mean like that was like again,
Speaker 5: like one of the reasons why I left is like,
Speaker 5: I do think I have experienced like magic as in
Speaker 5: like the as crossing the abyss if you've heard of
Speaker 5: that type of term. I do think that's what magic
Speaker 5: is and to an extent, and just.
Speaker 3: What does that mean crossing the abyss?
Speaker 5: Uh? I think you'll have kind of it's almost like
Speaker 5: starting to have like an out of body experience where
Speaker 5: you you kind of start to like detach your soul
Speaker 5: from your body and like go somewhere else, like you're
Speaker 5: not in this physical reality anymore.
Speaker 3: Like astral projection almost.
Speaker 5: I would consider that. Yeah, pop, yeah, that might be
Speaker 5: even believe it or not, that might even be more
Speaker 5: advanced in a sense. But uh yeah, I actually, I
Speaker 5: mean I've even said plenty of times, even on my
Speaker 5: own show. And it's not to try to get edgy,
Speaker 5: but I even do think like, in my opinion, like
Speaker 5: even death starts becoming like almost a reality, you know
Speaker 5: there is that you need a death for a rebirth.
Speaker 5: I've even like pointed out like have you ended you
Speaker 5: two ever seen Flatliners? The movie Flatliners a long time ago? Robert, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think she's in that.
Speaker 4: I think she might.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she's one of the doctors like trying
Speaker 5: to compete with the other one with like how long
Speaker 5: you're going to be dead for before they bring you
Speaker 5: in and they're having all those experiences and they're coming
Speaker 5: back almost even like knowing stuff.
Speaker 4: That's uh, not my experience.
Speaker 5: I would do it through meditation, but that stuff is
Speaker 5: that's kind of like showing you what magic is that movie?
Speaker 5: In my opinion, serious real magical experiences. You were pushing
Speaker 5: yourself to that extreme.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And for me, like when I started the thing is
Speaker 5: is that, like I believe it or not, it was
Speaker 5: like such a really honestly like a beautiful spiritual awaking experience.
Speaker 5: That's when I realized this place isn't for me, Like
Speaker 5: this place has a dark image and this was actually
Speaker 5: one of the most This was the most beautiful experience
Speaker 5: I've ever had in my life. It doesn't match, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't get this the scenery for the experience. So
Speaker 5: and plus, like I was saying, eventually, when COVID came,
Speaker 5: they just made it quite.
Speaker 4: Obvious that they were very much with the left.
Speaker 5: Another thing that really irked me and I did not
Speaker 5: understand is that when the George Floyd situation happened, they actually,
Speaker 5: like at this point, because of COVID, they were doing
Speaker 5: zoom meetings and they put out like a thing Ford
Speaker 5: to do a zoom meetings to talk about the George
Speaker 5: Floyd incident. And I'm like, yo, what, Like it's almost
Speaker 5: the OTO should be just like alcoholics anonymous. The only
Speaker 5: thing we are talking about is magic and that's it.
Speaker 5: We have nothing to say outside of this place. Why
Speaker 5: are you tah talking about George Flood? And by the end,
Speaker 5: I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Gotta go to this just for shits and giggles.
Speaker 5: It basically it was like some it was almost like
Speaker 5: group therapy coom by type thing where it's like We're
Speaker 5: going to go around the room now and talk about
Speaker 5: our experiences with racism and our own lives, and I
Speaker 5: was like.
Speaker 4: Yo, what.
Speaker 5: Not everybody said anything, and I was like, I have
Speaker 5: nothing to say. I was like, I really don't have
Speaker 5: anything to add. But it was just like yo. And
Speaker 5: then by the end of it, at the end of it,
Speaker 5: it started talking about if anybody wanted to get together
Speaker 5: and to go out and like protest.
Speaker 4: For the George Floyt stuff.
Speaker 2: And I was like, whoa damn yeah, control, this is
Speaker 2: fucking weird.
Speaker 1: Did they hate ever some BLM donations there naked?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: I didn't stay on it too much longer after they
Speaker 5: talked about the protest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I mean.
Speaker 4: Oh there was even people there that were known ANTIFA members.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They started making themselves known around this time, because you
Speaker 5: know they're on you know, they're on social media.
Speaker 4: So now it's okay, we'll admit we're in Dantifa.
Speaker 3: Right, So are you still you're still kind of practicing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yes, I study it. Even another thing too,
Speaker 5: I would like to add real quick, even with my
Speaker 5: magical experiences, believe It and actolse were all done only
Speaker 5: through meditation. I didn't even do any ritual work, So
Speaker 5: that was even like another thing where I started wondering, like,
Speaker 5: what is this all really about anyway?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: So I was like I really, you know, I just
Speaker 5: from my own experiences, I was able to stay on
Speaker 5: my own and I didn't need a place.
Speaker 2: Like that, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I know. I my my father in law. He's not Christian,
Speaker 3: he's not super religious. He's more like spiritual, he says.
Speaker 3: So he's done some out of body stuff, some astral projection.
Speaker 3: He's flown and he's like flown around the city. It's weird,
Speaker 3: I believe you do. You have you heard of the
Speaker 3: Gateway tapes? The which one the Gateway tapes? Is that
Speaker 3: not telepathy but it's remote viewing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well they say that that's like a a I guess
Speaker 5: something that you could obtain if after using those tapes
Speaker 5: for a while. The CEI even supposedly, I mean, there's
Speaker 5: documents on it. Who knows how truthful it is. Uh,
Speaker 5: they went there and studied at the Monroe Institute. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it was like these tapes that like played these different sounds.
Speaker 5: It was like guided meditations, and it was like a
Speaker 5: series of them. And National Traveling was supposed to be
Speaker 5: like one of the things you should be able to
Speaker 5: do at some point.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 3: I heard that if you have a pair of headphones
Speaker 3: and you tune one headphone to a different frequency than
Speaker 3: the other one, you had me sinking and you kind
Speaker 3: of just get out of sync and.
Speaker 5: Then yeah, down the middle, you'll have me sink a
Speaker 5: different sound a different frequency.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It sounds like some dizzy and death cult stuff right there.
Speaker 1: Right they were doing is that what they were doing
Speaker 1: the weird.
Speaker 6: Hemospheric brain experiments right neck, I mean have some more
Speaker 6: details than I do on that.
Speaker 5: But sleep deprivation too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were trying
Speaker 5: to like, uh, they also had an idea that I
Speaker 5: think if you covered and there is some truth behind it,
Speaker 5: if you cover one eye on the side of your
Speaker 5: brain kind of like shuts the shutdown more. They would
Speaker 5: try to like almost put half your brain to sleep.
Speaker 5: Like they had these weird ideas. They actually like, we're
Speaker 5: we're into some like just weird ideas about how the
Speaker 5: mind works and the brain works.
Speaker 4: And they're a huge at the AI too.
Speaker 3: Right, I just watched a movie. God it was Who's
Speaker 3: Who's the guy in Guardian of Chris Pratt? He's in
Speaker 3: this brand new movie when me and the kids watched it,
Speaker 3: and it was like Electric Something, Yeah, Electric something, where
Speaker 3: like it's in the future. It's all based off of
Speaker 3: AI and robots and all this stuff, but people put
Speaker 3: these headsets on that allows them to go into this
Speaker 3: robot body and allow the robot body to do all
Speaker 3: of their work and allows the other half of their brain.
Speaker 3: So it splits their brain in half. One half controls
Speaker 3: the robot and works, the other half goes on vacation
Speaker 3: as sex, whatever desire you want to do, and it
Speaker 3: goes and does.
Speaker 7: Thats crazy, the Philip Nightmare, right, But I mean, I
Speaker 7: guess towards the end of the movie it was, you know,
Speaker 7: not a spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: It's basically, you know, you destroy this technology, you don't
Speaker 3: need it, and it's like, hey, welcome back to the
Speaker 3: real world. We need to with each other, not sitting
Speaker 3: heads it on.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody here is going to be watching
Speaker 2: a Chris Pratt movie. You're good, bro. You can give
Speaker 2: away you can give away the ending to any of
Speaker 2: those movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, that's that's.
Speaker 2: It, right, that's it, you know. And again when I
Speaker 2: saw that and the connection and the ties for no,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just Kennedy's you know that, right because of
Speaker 1: Boris River.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a Kennedy, she's a man. I guarantee you.
Speaker 6: Well she is if she if she is a pretty woman,
Speaker 6: but she's definitely. Yeah, any women are lookers, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, they're not really looking.
Speaker 2: The biggest conspiracy when people ask me, as I say
Speaker 2: the majority of Hollywood, how they're inverted. A lot of
Speaker 2: them are are inverted. You know, they invert them as
Speaker 2: younger or they have to sacrifice their firstborn. That's part
Speaker 2: of part of when they're in the club. So I'm
Speaker 2: always throwing out that's a man man, just like in the.
Speaker 6: Well definitely, the French President's is definitely a man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Barbara Brush.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at Bill Gates's wife, Melinda Gates looks like
Speaker 3: Kevin Klein.
Speaker 2: The Serena Sisters. Yeah, I mean Catlin, the n W
Speaker 2: NBA player, Sandra Bullock, come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: But with the Candy Women, you're not. You're just not
Speaker 6: sure because the women are ugly. You could just basically
Speaker 6: put a wig on RFK Junior nuts with like the
Speaker 6: Candy women.
Speaker 2: Look, that is true, but everything that's the butterface. Everything good,
Speaker 2: but her face. That's a butterface for you right there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh boy?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I mean speaking to Kennedy, what do you
Speaker 3: think about him? Do you think he will make America
Speaker 3: healthy again?
Speaker 6: I think you'll make America scientology again. He's got some deep,
Speaker 6: deep scientology roots he does. Okay, let's hear about this.
Speaker 6: He's not only represented them in court, he's also his
Speaker 6: little nonprofit that he was running, his co founder that
Speaker 6: was a scientologist.
Speaker 2: Mmm. Okay.
Speaker 3: And so he supports them or defends them in court.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he defends them. No, he defends him the court.
Speaker 6: But if you think about their ideology, right, like what
Speaker 6: they don't like medicine, right, he doesn't like you know,
Speaker 6: you see, you see where they're they're kind of a
Speaker 6: networking there. At least I'm not saying he's a full
Speaker 6: blown scientologist, but again, he founded a nonprofit one and
Speaker 6: they do share similar ideals, right right.
Speaker 3: And if you think about Jack Parsons and il Ron Hubbard,
Speaker 3: I mean out in the in the desert doing the
Speaker 3: sex magic ritual what was it? The the Babylon working sure, right?
Speaker 3: And l Ron Hubbard went on to found Scientology and
Speaker 3: Jack Parsons did JPL laboratories. Now you have NASA elon.
Speaker 6: If I may offer a direct connection between that Jack
Speaker 6: Parson situations described the l Ron Hubbard in the Processed
Speaker 6: Church to the Kennedys.
Speaker 1: So the Processed Church you all familiar with them?
Speaker 6: No, Nope, it's an offshoot of Scientology, very dark organization.
Speaker 6: They're deeply surrounding the RFK assassination as soon as they
Speaker 6: hit America in sixty eight. The r.
Speaker 1: Yes Sir. Accordingon a I n.
Speaker 6: S report from nineteen seventy four, Sir Hans Sirhan would
Speaker 6: attend England a sex ritual magic you know, sex magic
Speaker 6: rituals at a Sharon Tates house in May of nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty eight, hosted by a quote unquote English Satanic cult.
Speaker 6: That's the Process. So the founder of the process he
Speaker 6: he was an assistant to Alron Hubbard there in London.
Speaker 6: You know Scientology headquarters in the UK, and you know
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty three and it seems to be a black
Speaker 6: project of old l Ron's forming this weird offshoot organization
Speaker 6: steeped in drug trafficking, human trafficking and assassinations.
Speaker 3: Right and l Ron Hubbard. Didn't he work for the
Speaker 3: Navy intelligence like people were saying he might have been
Speaker 3: a plant the entire time. Okay, sure, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those fucking crazy masters.
Speaker 2: So what did you say?
Speaker 6: And the Sea Org that's there, that's their that's their
Speaker 6: clergy of the Scientology. They were at naval uniforms and
Speaker 6: they signed a billion year contracts, right, these are those
Speaker 6: are those folks?
Speaker 4: And like, aren't they on a boat like out on
Speaker 4: the water too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they got some boat action, but not as much
Speaker 6: as they used to. That was finally when Elron was
Speaker 6: on the lamb from everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, So I.
Speaker 6: Compare Scientific g to the CIA like this, the CIA
Speaker 6: is an intelligence or is a cult operating is an
Speaker 6: intelligent you know, as an intelligence, uh you know agency.
Speaker 6: Scientology is an intelligence agency operating as a cult. But
Speaker 6: they're they're one and the same, and they both you know,
Speaker 6: practice the Limic you know, principles and magic if you will.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Definitely affluence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a so RFK Junior was on Jesse
Speaker 3: Waters on Fox News. Okay, his relationship with Gallaine Maxwell
Speaker 3: and his ex wife, Sure right. They went on Epstein
Speaker 3: Epstein's plane twice to go fossil hunting quote unquote yep.
Speaker 3: And then you had a story, you know, like.
Speaker 1: He doesn't go on Epstein's planning to get fossil hunting, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's all I keep hearing all of these
Speaker 2: people saying, you know, I went on the trip to
Speaker 2: do something, find me a bone or two. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know a bone. You found a twelve year old
Speaker 2: bone right in your mouth.
Speaker 4: Hunting.
Speaker 2: I'm like, see, we think of like we've got both
Speaker 2: of us, JJ and JJ both there. You got it.
Speaker 3: Yes, he threw out just like Willy Nilly. My ex
Speaker 3: wife had a relationship with Glaine Maxwell and we went
Speaker 3: and fossil honey. And I'm like, you can't just throw
Speaker 3: that sentence out, like what kind of relationship for how long?
Speaker 3: Like what are you guys talking about here? Because she's
Speaker 3: the kingpin supposedly behind this whole sex trafficking thing and
Speaker 3: she's rotting in prison right now. Supposedly your wife had
Speaker 3: a relationship with her. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: And just you know, they just drop it very quickly
Speaker 2: so you hear it, because again there's a karmic slide
Speaker 2: it under I always feel that dude takes a hit
Speaker 2: of a bong or a joint before he goes out,
Speaker 2: and he's choking. That's why he's talking like that, Like
Speaker 2: he's just like he's high. He's high as a kite, Like.
Speaker 1: Exactly for sure, he's had a long term heroin problem.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, he's got connections.
Speaker 6: Trust me, if I may draw a small circle around
Speaker 6: these activities with Maxwell. Back to Jack Parsons, her brother
Speaker 6: in law is Roger Molina. He's he's the son of
Speaker 6: Jack Parson's uh number two guy and his suicide suicide
Speaker 6: squad of ritual sex magic out there in the California desert.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I believe.
Speaker 6: I believe his number two is Roger. One of one
Speaker 6: of the father of the son is Roger. But the
Speaker 6: son of the man that was Jack Parson's number two
Speaker 6: is married to Glenn Maxwell's sister.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, It is a small world, isn't it.
Speaker 6: It's a very It's a very once you start putting
Speaker 6: it down and looking at things, it's a very small network.
Speaker 6: And a lot of times they're all part of the
Speaker 6: same family.
Speaker 5: Like literally, you know what I like to you something
Speaker 5: that I think me and JJ and one of my
Speaker 5: other other people on the clbre Jac's Lisa, I think
Speaker 5: we were talking about and it was like a correlation
Speaker 5: that I had noticed at one point. You know, JJ
Speaker 5: doesn't bring up, like, you know, why the hell was
Speaker 5: Stephen Hawking on her submarine to begin with, but like
Speaker 5: like think.
Speaker 6: Of he tied to a dolly Wait yeah.
Speaker 5: Before before he could even let JJ even go into
Speaker 5: the whole thing about about about Hawking. One thing I
Speaker 5: do want to mention though, real quick is that Glene
Speaker 5: Maxwell's father like basically owned probably like eighty percent of
Speaker 5: the scientific publishing companies for a long time. He controlled
Speaker 5: what was put out. Now howky his ship was published
Speaker 5: through that? Well there you go, So like, how do
Speaker 5: you know this dude is really like who they've been saying?
Speaker 2: He is?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: But I mean the things that JJ could even say
Speaker 5: I think about his original translator was like somebody liperating basically, oh.
Speaker 1: The Stephen Hockey. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Let me let me add something real quick here on
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein. Old Jeffrey who I am no point in
Speaker 6: time to I believe he actually died. He's very much
Speaker 6: alive in my opinion, including there was a off you
Speaker 6: all familiar. There was a drone that flew over Saint
Speaker 6: James Island, their little Saint James. Yeah, about three weeks
Speaker 6: after old Jeff was supposedly died there in Labor Day
Speaker 6: week in twenty what nineteen, was itwenty nineteen, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 6: got some pretty August yeah, yeah, August. Yeah, so this
Speaker 6: is this is Labor Day weekend. A few weeks later,
Speaker 6: this drone got some pretty good footage, you know, some
Speaker 6: random account posts. It's Reddit, but it looks just like
Speaker 6: Jeff and I, you know, I made sure I saved
Speaker 6: the screenshots and stuff ever since then because I'm like,
Speaker 6: this motherfucker's alive.
Speaker 1: Because I was already interesting for a couple of years prior.
Speaker 6: When I did a show about the guy, because I
Speaker 6: was determined he was some sort of weird fucking wizard. Right,
Speaker 6: So when he's not doing jail time back there in Florida,
Speaker 6: back in two thousand and seven, when he's signing out
Speaker 6: of the county jail, of the wing of the county
Speaker 6: jail that he built to stay there, you know, eight
Speaker 6: hours a weekend, you know, when he's signing out there
Speaker 6: to go to his house and to go to his island.
Speaker 1: He's never using a signature. He's using like the infinity symbol.
Speaker 6: I'm like this motherfucker, And the best of my understanding,
Speaker 6: I'm not, you know, tennerally speaking, I am.
Speaker 1: In a cult reject. Literally.
Speaker 6: I used to be a Mormon, So I guess I
Speaker 6: was a ceremonial magician to some regard.
Speaker 1: There a couple of.
Speaker 4: Exposed to the occult at least for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but my understanding, I don't know much about, you know,
Speaker 6: general occults. Of my understanding, the symbol of the infinite
Speaker 6: symbols is the like the wizards. They try to say,
Speaker 6: he's in control of both the unseen and the scene worlds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's above the magician and the tarot card.
Speaker 1: Right there you go.
Speaker 6: So I think old Jeff was sending a messages down
Speaker 6: the visitors logs saying, look, motherfuckers, I got this under control.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: I And you know, people are saying, like that body
Speaker 3: that they rolled out and they took pictures of, right,
Speaker 3: did not look like him like they.
Speaker 2: Said that was Hillary's brother. I keep hearing. There you go,
Speaker 2: Harry Clinton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that idea.
Speaker 2: And they showed photos of him and the nose and everything,
Speaker 2: and I like, yeah, take the photo, turn it upside
Speaker 2: down and yeah, I don't know, wor So where do
Speaker 2: you think he is then?
Speaker 6: You know, probably kicking it on Great Saint James Island.
Speaker 6: No one ever talked about that. He bought that in
Speaker 6: the years prior to his death.
Speaker 2: He was he's one island over, they're too late. Check.
Speaker 6: He bought it in twenty sixteen and started doing heavy
Speaker 6: construction with no permits in the Virgin Islands governor that
Speaker 6: he was paying off, you know, was out of office,
Speaker 6: the new one and the new Attorney general, the new
Speaker 6: US attorney there wanted to be so they kept trying
Speaker 6: to shut it down.
Speaker 1: They eventually did shut down.
Speaker 6: The project after he allegedly died, though, so who knows
Speaker 6: role Jeff was. No one paid attention to that island.
Speaker 6: He was doing heavy construction over there for years.
Speaker 3: Did Joe Biden's brother also have an island over there? Yes?
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 3: What was that called? Was that like the hop skip away?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was called a hop skip on
Speaker 2: a jump island.
Speaker 6: Not too far from Richard Branson's either right there, Yeah,
Speaker 6: where he hosted next him Sex cult parties there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's all like the same sex cult. I
Speaker 3: think it's just different. You can Peter Nightguard. Peter Nightguard
Speaker 3: had an island there too.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Really he's that Canadian fellow, right flex you know, I'm
Speaker 6: sure knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Peter night Guard.
Speaker 2: He disappeared over to Worzy now Greece or something. He's
Speaker 2: hiding over in Europe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The fashion designer guys, like like when you peel it
Speaker 2: back and it's just like listen, like all these people
Speaker 2: are into some kinky shit, Okay, but if you're going
Speaker 2: to involve kids, you know, then you know you deserve
Speaker 2: to be shot or killed, you know, or or at
Speaker 2: least arrested. Let's hear. So all I'm hearing is process. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you have to have the due process for sure.
Speaker 2: But like I said, no, nobody is nobody's been accounted
Speaker 2: taking account for any of this. So and I just
Speaker 2: kind of like, we'll.
Speaker 6: See David Copperfield's got an island down there too. And
Speaker 6: David Copperfield the magician, you're never going to find his
Speaker 6: victims though he literally made them disappear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh boy, Yeah, probably hate them.
Speaker 6: They're probably inside the STAD the magician, he's a magicians, Like,
Speaker 6: my next trick is to make all these victims disappear.
Speaker 2: He actually saw them in half. I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 2: screw it up. They're bleeding out, all right, dump them.
Speaker 2: The CIA is like, we could actually use this.
Speaker 3: Huh, can you make all of our ship disappear too?
Speaker 2: David?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he had some real dark tails popping off there
Speaker 6: around the same Epstein times that were he was apparently
Speaker 6: soliciting literally teenage girls from his audience of the shows
Speaker 6: to come to his island and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I remember that. Yeah, there's just a lot of
Speaker 3: like a lot of like unclosed loops of story, right,
Speaker 3: tales of things that just hey, what happened to this?
Speaker 3: What happened to this? Naomi Campbell like her island, you know,
Speaker 3: and her ties, right, that's right, what happened to that?
Speaker 3: And then you know, if you look at Trump, he
Speaker 3: had like beauty pageants all the time, and he had
Speaker 3: he was like had ties with the Victoria's Secret Models
Speaker 3: and beauty pageants and all this stuff. So it's like
Speaker 3: who who paid him or who was he paying to
Speaker 3: run those shows? And what are his connections? With those
Speaker 3: beauty pageants. You know, I haven't really look to that,
Speaker 3: but it's a great question. Great question.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that scene was involved in some of
Speaker 1: these pageants as well, So he was. He had a whole.
Speaker 6: Apartment building where he was housing quote unquote models, and
Speaker 6: you know, they weren't all prostitutes, or maybe some of
Speaker 6: them were. Maybe they were all used for prostitutes. I
Speaker 6: don't know, but at least on paper, some of them
Speaker 6: were modeling. And I do believe there was some crossovers
Speaker 6: there with some of his models in Trump competitions.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And then have you seen the movie Where's My Roy Cone?
Speaker 3: The documentary Roy CON's My Favorite Characters in Life?
Speaker 2: Oh boy? Okay, Well tell us about it.
Speaker 3: What's what do you think about Trump and the connection
Speaker 3: to Roy Cone?
Speaker 6: Well, we did a show with the Heidi love On,
Speaker 6: the host of the Unfiltered Rise podcast.
Speaker 1: She does a bunch of Mormon stuff.
Speaker 6: If you're not familiar with her show, great stuff if
Speaker 6: you're interested in all things Mormon and parapolitics. We did
Speaker 6: a series in the Occult Rejects talking about the you know,
Speaker 6: some of the nineteen sixties from RFK to Watergate, early
Speaker 6: seventies stuff related to these same characters out of this
Speaker 6: organization called PERMADEX, which was this weird multi national corporation
Speaker 6: that was involved and apparently doing global.
Speaker 1: Assassinations and other hood rat shit.
Speaker 6: And on that board was this was the focus of
Speaker 6: the Jim Garrison investigation with JFK.
Speaker 1: But on that board was Roy Cone. So this dude's
Speaker 1: involved in some.
Speaker 6: Really serious stuff going back to sixty three. But then
Speaker 6: if you look get fast forward, you see some pictures
Speaker 6: with him and Trump at his Broy's fifty second birthday
Speaker 6: at Studio fifty four, and he's got Trump right next
Speaker 6: to him, dressed a little bit like looking like a
Speaker 6: cross dresser if you ask me, I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 6: what the scene is there. But at that same time
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy eight, when that occurred, according to a
Speaker 6: memo signed by the son of same killer, David Berkowitz
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety six, he claims Roy Cohn was a
Speaker 6: member of the processed Church of the Final Judgment dating
Speaker 6: back to that time in nineteen seventy eight, when he's
Speaker 6: got you know, little young twenty eight year old Donald
Speaker 6: on a leash, you know what I mean, dressed like
Speaker 6: a little lady.
Speaker 4: It was. It's actually a very weird picture.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: That's super weird picture.
Speaker 3: I'll try to find it and put it in this episode, but.
Speaker 1: I say I can send a jail link here after
Speaker 1: the show for sure. It's well worth including years ago.
Speaker 2: I feel Trump's on a leash anyways right now with Elon, Like,
Speaker 2: what's your take on Elon? Obviously he's yeah, it Like
Speaker 2: at this point, I'm kind of like, I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, Dick Cheney was the real person that was
Speaker 2: running stuff, not George Bush. And I kind of feel
Speaker 2: right now it's Elon that's running stuff, not Trump. And
Speaker 2: it's just like, did he help Trump stay out of jail?
Speaker 2: I know he gave Trump two hundred million dollars, Like
Speaker 2: what does he have? Does he have something on Trump?
Speaker 2: Is he going to now if you're thinking about the plan,
Speaker 2: is Trump going to finally turn on him and expose him?
Speaker 2: What's your take with Elon? Really with this administration?
Speaker 6: Well, I think Elon represents the Nazi factions of the
Speaker 6: of NASA and the CIA, if you will, because those
Speaker 6: are the folks that he has contracts with through the
Speaker 6: NRO and all these satellites predominantly.
Speaker 1: That's all. If you're not familiar with the National Reconnaissance.
Speaker 6: Office, it's comprised of the CIA, the US Air Force,
Speaker 6: and NASA. And this is who launches all the satellites
Speaker 6: with Elon. You know, before he was branching off on
Speaker 6: his own when he was doing that at Vandenberg Air
Speaker 6: Force Base for years.
Speaker 1: But he still has contracts.
Speaker 6: With these organizations, it's just not using their launch facilities
Speaker 6: any longer.
Speaker 1: But I think that's where Elon falls into.
Speaker 6: I think the better question, though, in regards to roy Cone,
Speaker 6: perhaps is who replaced Roy Cone, like when he died
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty six, who became the new Roy Cone?
Speaker 6: And I would argue that's the man who introduced old
Speaker 6: Donald Trump and Roy Cone, allegedly at least on paper,
Speaker 6: And that's Roger Stone.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah? Okay yeah?
Speaker 3: And then wasn't there a hotel or something that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump bought in that hotel was notorious for capturing blackmail?
Speaker 1: Well that's a great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe Trump has a blackmail on people
Speaker 3: and that's why he's still alive.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, he has got some blackmoult people, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: that's what it looks like right, you know, he uh,
Speaker 6: he's involved a number of these hotel ventures. Most notably
Speaker 6: he bought out Resorts International, right, which was which was
Speaker 6: a essentially a Mayor Lansky outfit out of the Bahamas.
Speaker 6: It was used a money laundering situation through Iran contra. Right,
Speaker 6: he would buy them out there in the late eighties
Speaker 6: and become the new owner of that when and that
Speaker 6: would he rolled that up into his Atlantic City operations.
Speaker 6: But it's the background of that organization and it's and
Speaker 6: it's operations before Trump and its operations in around the
Speaker 6: time Trump, you know, acchoired it. That's very interesting to
Speaker 6: me because it's deeply involved in all these money laundering
Speaker 6: and blackmail operations and revolving around uh you know, the
Speaker 6: gun gun, the gun running, the drug running and uh
Speaker 6: you know whatever other ungodly things are doing with it
Speaker 6: within these blackmail ops and laundering all that money right
Speaker 6: with the same gun at drug money through these banks.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, that's where these that's where Trump becomes really
Speaker 6: interesting to me as well, you know, with his you
Speaker 6: know acquisition to some of these things you know, years
Speaker 6: ago and where these things sit today. Is that how
Speaker 6: he gets his power, right, I mean, it's possible.
Speaker 3: It would make sense to me because I'm like, the
Speaker 3: guy's alive for some reason, because it's like, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: let a guy get into power if he didn't want
Speaker 3: him to get into power, unless he had some blackmail.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, And I do remember I so
Speaker 3: like I used to be into like the Adam Krolla show.
Speaker 3: It was like like by thing way back and then
Speaker 3: like I'm talking like maybe fifteen years ago, and I
Speaker 3: remember watching The Apprentice because Adam Krola was on there
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump was talking about going into like a
Speaker 3: Hope Tel room and he's like, I know, I always
Speaker 3: tell Ivanka be careful where you go. Didn't stay because
Speaker 3: there's cameras. You know, they'll put secret cameras.
Speaker 1: In the rooms.
Speaker 2: And I you know, I got to watch out because
Speaker 2: they'll put them in the bathroom, they'll put them in
Speaker 2: the mirrors.
Speaker 3: And he was saying like all these things about secret cameras.
Speaker 3: And now looking back, it kind of makes sense that
Speaker 3: he would know about this ship because he's probably privy too,
Speaker 3: and he collects it.
Speaker 2: He probably did it.
Speaker 6: I would actually argue it might be a family tradition.
Speaker 6: So if you If you go back to Donald's grandfather
Speaker 6: when he came to America, he was running a saloon
Speaker 6: and kind of whorehouse and Pike's placemark in Seattle back
Speaker 6: in like eighteen eighty five circ. Eighteen eighty five, So
Speaker 6: that's kind of the foray of the Trump family end
Speaker 6: of this hotel industry, right you know. So again, so
Speaker 6: it was a whorehouse at the time of the Alaskan
Speaker 6: gold Rush, so you know, who knows what kind of
Speaker 6: spook activity runs in around that and or blackmail operations.
Speaker 6: But I don't think these black well operations are new,
Speaker 6: and I suspect that's exactly.
Speaker 1: What we go on in a whorehouse. Hey, we got
Speaker 1: you documented doing this, right.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now they're doing it on social media. They're tracking
Speaker 3: who's uh, who's gonna share anti Semitic memes so that
Speaker 3: way they can take you down later. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: they're basically setting up the bowling pins to knock everybody down.
Speaker 3: They're they're introducing all this like anti semitism laws, anti
Speaker 3: semitism blah blah blah. You're you're having stories now that
Speaker 3: like Jewish Americans like want to flee America because they
Speaker 3: don't feel safe now, so they're they're setting up this
Speaker 3: story and like all of a sudden, like you just
Speaker 3: see all this like anti Semitic, like pro Hitler stuff
Speaker 3: on X and I'm like, that can't be a coincidence,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And so like when you
Speaker 3: look at like this problem reaction solution, how do you
Speaker 3: how do you get people to sympathize with you or
Speaker 3: a certain group is you have to create your enemy
Speaker 3: kind of like we do with like foreign wars and
Speaker 3: regime change. You create the enemy so that way you
Speaker 3: have somebody to attack you on purpose. Oh they attacked this,
Speaker 3: and now we have to go to war. Same thing
Speaker 3: with free speech, anti semitism, I mean, you name it.
Speaker 3: So we'll see where all this goes. I just I
Speaker 3: think that, like you know, there's plenty of evidence to
Speaker 3: support that Donald Trump is is like a Zionist. His
Speaker 3: whole cabinet is taking a PAC money. He has like
Speaker 3: he is taken a PAC money. Sheldon Adelson, his wife
Speaker 3: Mariam Aidelson, gave him over one hundred million dollars, right,
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's it's just one of those
Speaker 3: things that I'm keeping an eye on. But again there's
Speaker 3: always that little inkling okay of trust the plan we're
Speaker 3: saving Israel for last, this whole Q stuff. So well,
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 2: Watching a movie. That's the only thing I agree with
Speaker 2: is that we are watching a movie because that's what
Speaker 2: keeps us entertained, divided, whatever. And at this point, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: who's running the movie, because it surely ain't just one side,
Speaker 2: the side that we think is and you know, exposing
Speaker 2: all this stuff. But this movie, at this point, from
Speaker 2: my opinion, it's stale. My popcorn is stale. The butter
Speaker 2: has gotten all dried up, it's turned it to lard.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I'm done. I'm done with this movie.
Speaker 2: Give me something like, don't give me a sequel.
Speaker 1: Don't give me we don't need the trilogy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a Netflix special that goes forever and
Speaker 2: it's like one hour episodes that just drag the funk on.
Speaker 2: I'm like, stop it, rip the band aid off, get
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: It's agree much.
Speaker 3: I think the episodes, Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 6: Of it too much behind the scenes when when the
Speaker 6: actual in front of the scenes wasn't good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I do think there are different factions, right, just just
Speaker 6: speaking of maybe Trump's the cult whatever cult believes this ear.
Speaker 6: I agree with Nick, he definitely has some. It certainly
Speaker 6: seems Masonic in nature, whatever that is. But you know,
Speaker 6: and these does seem like warring factions, right, Like I
Speaker 6: do honestly believe he hates the Clintons. He hates Obama
Speaker 6: for more than one reason, not just you agree, right,
Speaker 6: Like he's like that sincerely hates them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about how I think the elites or
Speaker 2: the illuminati met up with a public system, like yeah,
Speaker 2: we need to change your image, so we're going to
Speaker 2: rebrand you, you know, and change things up so it's
Speaker 2: no longer you know, fifteen minutes cities, it's freedom cities,
Speaker 2: you know. Like I think it's rebranding, and I think
Speaker 2: there is a rebranding.
Speaker 1: There isn't there, Right, There is a bit.
Speaker 2: Of a rebranding where we're like, okay, so it's one
Speaker 2: one system taking over the other system. And that's why
Speaker 2: some of these people hate Trump because they know there's
Speaker 2: systems dying and he's going to expose them.
Speaker 3: But it's not only that, but like how many accounts
Speaker 3: when Joe Biden was president and they were sharing everybody
Speaker 3: saying new World Order, all these democrats, global leader saying
Speaker 3: new World Order. And then literally Elon Musk says, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have the Golden Age, a new world order is
Speaker 3: among us and has the New World Order jacket posts
Speaker 3: new and like the guy's literally telling you he does
Speaker 3: the freaking Nazi salut like to a t And I'm like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you ever got Baron Trump going like this, which
Speaker 4: is another thing would do?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he did the little Yeah he didn't. He
Speaker 2: didn't do this, which you know what that is. That's Hull.
Speaker 2: That's a little hul Comania, Hollywood.
Speaker 5: That's another thing too, like real quick, real quick, Hulk
Speaker 5: Holgan when he uh, when Corker outed him.
Speaker 4: Peter Tile paid for his lawsuit, that's right. And who
Speaker 4: was ripping their shirt off for Trump this last election?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Peter Till's funny.
Speaker 4: He's.
Speaker 2: Richard Hulk became the richest porn star. That's that's basically
Speaker 2: what that court case was. He became the richest porn star,
Speaker 2: right said, his prayers trained eight his vitamins and maybe
Speaker 2: a few other things whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a viager in those vitamins.
Speaker 2: Who know the twenty four inch python down there, brother, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he ain't dead yet, all right, guys. Well, hey, it's
Speaker 2: been a nice hour fifteen minutes. We went all over
Speaker 2: the place. So I freaking love this kind of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll have to have you back on or maybe we
Speaker 2: can go on show.
Speaker 4: For sure, for sure?
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So where can before we get out here? Where
Speaker 3: can people find you? Are you guys on you doing
Speaker 3: your own separate shows or plug away?
Speaker 4: JJ has his own you can go first, JJ.
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, thanks man. Yeah, JJ Van's host of
Speaker 1: Operation GCD.
Speaker 6: Do a live show on YouTube, Rumble and TwixT every
Speaker 6: Wednesday at seven pm Eastern and then Friday nights we
Speaker 6: do a live show on the same platforms myself and
Speaker 6: Nick and Fridays with the Cult Rejects and the Operations GCD,
Speaker 6: and we just kind of what we did here a
Speaker 6: little bit of a roundtable discussion conspiracy theory topics, you know,
Speaker 6: are you know, depending on which guests we have, and
Speaker 6: certainly like to invite y'all to come join us for
Speaker 6: Fridays for one of these conspiracy theory round tables again,
Speaker 6: for sure. I had a good, good conversation. I appreciate
Speaker 6: the invite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they should change it from conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: to spoiler alerts. That's what we are through those t shirts, Greg,
Speaker 2: spoil alerts, spoilers conspiracy. Yeah, and the work mind you, Yes.
Speaker 5: The Occult Rejects, which you'll see JJ Vans on there
Speaker 5: quite oftenly the Occult Rejects. It's on a bitch shoot,
Speaker 5: Rumble and YouTube and all major podcasts.
Speaker 4: And thank you very much.
Speaker 5: I really really had a good time and definitely want
Speaker 5: to chat it up with you guys again.
Speaker 3: Yeap, pleasure was all ours. Thank you guys for coming
Speaker 3: on Flex. Any last words before we bounce.
Speaker 2: Party, Party, That's all I say.
Speaker 3: I love it all right, everybody, Well yeah Nick JJ
Speaker 3: thanks again for coming Flex. Take it easy up there
Speaker 3: in Canada. Don't do anything, all right, everybody. Until next time,
Speaker 3: stay steamy,