Speaker 1: It is the Big Twelve sexcy break downside of John
which she's here with you with the comprehensive what.
Speaker 2: The book the Big Twelve, and then they Southwark. We
begin each and every week as we always do with
our hot takes, and Tom, You'll always have the takes
ready to go from Oklahoma State. Should should I steal
it from you this week? Or should I just give
you more on that.
Speaker 1: In a moment.
Speaker 3: Let me let me let me have this one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll let you have this one.
Speaker 4: We'll talk Mike Gundy here momentarily, so stand by, stand by.
But where I will go this week when it comes
to the hot takes is uh, I will look to
the Southeastern Conference and I'll go with that other team
in the state of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: I'll go with the Sooners. I loved what I saw
from O you this past week.
Speaker 4: But my hot take this is actually gonna I think
catch Tom by surprise what I'm about to say next.
I love what I saw and I was very impressed
with the Sooners, but I think everybody needs to take
chill pill for a second.
Speaker 1: My hot take is calm the breaks on Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: Okay, hear me out on this The offensive line much
improve on what it was a year ago, but it
still has some major question marks. John Mattier's fantastic. He's
a Heisman candidate, but he ran the ball a lot.
And with that offensive line with its question marks, is
that a long term recipe for success?
Speaker 1: Do they have enough receiver help?
Speaker 4: I think the defense is fantastic, Okay, I don't have
any real concerns there. The run game. You bring in
Jay Not and you hardly ever used him. You didn't
hardly run the ball with your running backs at all.
And then on top of that too, I think Bryce
the Underwood's got potential to be a star in college football.
Of course, former five star recruit, but it was his
first road start. I mean, a lot went right for Oklahoma,
and that's not to take away anything away from what
they did last Saturday in an impressive win. But you
have a gauntlet of a schedule coming up, and you
have some things that you clearly need to work on.
I'm not saying Oklahoma can't put it all together and
Oklahoma can't be a playoff team and contend for the
SEC and a national title all that, but calm the
breaks for a second, because the road is going to
be very tough for this Oklahoma team and they haven't
even begun sec play there.
Speaker 1: So Tom, did I kind of surprise you there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a little bit. But I think what you
said is right.
Speaker 5: You know, as much as I hate ou, I liked
what I saw from him too.
Speaker 3: I can't deny it.
Speaker 5: I think your nail on the head with my tear
running it a lot. You know, I get that he
could move, but you know it's just, you know, one
injury away from having a having a start oh what's
his name again? So they don't definitely don't want to
do that. I think you mentioned not running Jade not.
I think for the Sooners to keep this up, to
keep the same energy moving ahead, I think you gotta
do definitely have to run the ball a little bit
more and and maybe a little bit more balanced of
an attack. I think they will though, I like, you know,
I like what the decisions on offense so far.
Speaker 3: So uh, But like you said, the roads long, don't you.
Speaker 5: Know, don't burn all your fuel in the first three.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a long season ahead for Oklahoma here, and
I think they have reason to be optimistic. But pump
the break just for a moment, and let's see how
this ultimately plays out, all right, tom uh Mike Gundy
embarrassing showing this past week in Eugene. We knew it
was gonna be bad going in, and I think it
was even worse than when any of us could imagine.
Speaker 3: Oh it was it was.
Speaker 5: It's the most embarrassed I've ever been as as an
OSHUE fan.
Speaker 1: At what point in time turn off the game?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 5: I went, I went ahead and watched it to halftime,
and then I didn't. I'll be honest with you, I
didn't watch a single minute of college football the rest
of the day.
Speaker 3: I was so disgusted.
Speaker 1: You didn't watch that game?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: I kept up with the box score like on ESPN
and checked. You know, we're checking stats, see who scored?
Speaker 3: Do did what you were doing?
Speaker 1: The Adam Silver thing?
Speaker 3: Bright? Yeah? The Highlight League maybe? Uh yeah.
Speaker 5: But Mike Gundhy, what a what a little shithead? You know,
I could There's a lot of things I could say. Uh,
And o issue, this is the lowest since I've been
a fan of OSU. This is the lowest the programmers
I've ever seen it ever, And and it's issue is
the worst Power for Football team in America, and they
might be even lower than some of the teams outside
the Power for There's very good chance. Actually, I think
they put out the rankings and in the whole FBS
they ranked them one twenty three out of one twenty eight.
I think it could it could get worse the team.
You know, Zane Floors get give me hair. I thought
the kid played decent for the the goddamn Lions. Then
they put him in not Daniel and the Lions. Then
it was freaking zaying out there, just trying to stay alive.
Oregon bigger, stronger, faster, way faster. I don't know if
I've seen a speed difference like that when two FBS
teams play each other. Ohshue defense got mauled. They didn't
know it looked like what they were doing. They got
immediately punched in the mouth and didn't respond whatsoever. I
knew they were going to right out of the gate.
We knew this was going to be bad. But just
the sheer lack of effort and care out of Mike Gundy,
it's just kind of what really deflates it. Like I
don't think he has it anymore. Build him the statue,
name the field after him. Do whatever you want to do.
But if they got a bye week this week, thank god,
because I don't know if I could sit through back
to back weeks of uninspired play, and I don't know
what's going to happen going forward. You got a bye
week this week, and then you got TU on Friday
night and still water. If this, if this Oklahoma State
team loses the TU, I'm gonna say right now, this
team loses the TU, I will not watch another Oklahoma
State football game this year. I'm not gonna do it.
I put myself through it last year.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't hate myself that much to do that. It's
not it's not worth it. I'll do something else on Saturdays,
also watch other games. I'll go on a fucking walk.
I'm not I'm not gonna do it. And if they
lose the Tulsa I think in general, I want to
know your opinion too, just outside looking in, because I
know I'm biased, and I know I've called for Gundy's
head for a while now, and I think they should
have already. But if you lose the Tulsa, there's no
fucking way you should be a head coach of a
Power four team, that he should be fired if he
loses to Tulsa. He should be walked out of the
fucking stadium.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to pay the buyout though?
Speaker 4: Or would you rather just let the season go and
see what you can negotiate out of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5: They already have the donors talking about Zach Robinson if
he wants to come home.
Speaker 4: So I think if you're Oklahoma State, I know everybody's
talking about Zach Robinson.
Speaker 1: He's not doing that.
Speaker 4: Hot is the Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator, by the way,
and no offense to Zach. He's a friend of the show.
He's been on this program before. But I don't know
if Zach's necessarily the answer you're looking for. I think
John Gruden would be a fantastic hire to potentially bring in.
I think Jim Knowles would be an idea. We'll have
that whole discussion down the line, because there will be
a new head coach in still Water next year.
Speaker 1: That remains to be seen. But it's not looking good.
Speaker 4: And I think the most disappointing thing you can say
about all of this, it feels like Mike Gundy just
doesn't give a shit, just does not care anymore. That sure,
the nil thing is very true. They don't have money.
Boone Pickens isn't walking through that door again. And I
think two things can be true at the same time
that Gundhy was behind on nil, but I think Oklahoma State,
their donor base, has not done a good job to
step up and do what they need to do to
put this team in this program in position to compete either.
I think both those things are true at the same time.
But with that said, there's no excuse to be this bad.
When Montana State put up a better performance against Oregon
than Oklahoma State did, that's inexcusable and it's it's gonna
need a total rehoul to reset this thing and get
this program going where it needs to go. I think
that if you're Oklahoma State just a couple of years ago,
remember they're not that far removed from playing in a
Big twelve championship game, from being that close being in
the College Football Playoff and all that. It wasn't too
long ago. But now I think what you have to
say to yourselves is we're at a financial disadvantage. We're behind,
way behind the SEC.
Speaker 1: And the Big Ten. Oklahoma, our former.
Speaker 4: Rival, is well ahead of what we are in terms
of resources right now. We just have to put ourselves
in position where we can be a competitive football team.
Speaker 1: That's the first step. You know.
Speaker 4: I've seen people say, you know, they need to go
find their Chris Climb and they need to go get
their Lance light Buld, their Kenny Dillingham. Well, you know what,
here's the thing too, when we mentioned those guys, Arizona
State's got money now, Kansas has money now. Case State's
been spending money for Crown out Loud Texas Tech. Even
though Joe Maguire I got my questions about him, they're
spending money. It is still the coach can't cover everything.
You still have to spend money as well. And so
I think if you're Oklahoma State, you have to have
a commitment from both ends going forward. When you do
move on from Mike Gundy, it is gotta be we're
gonna find the right coach, but we have to have
a commitment to winning because if not, we're getting left behind.
We're talking about twenty thirty, next round of conference ree alignment,
there could be a super league, all these different things here.
Speaker 1: Coach bo says all the time, you either got shit
or gift pot.
Speaker 4: And if Oklahoma State isn't going to invest the financial resources,
if they aren't gonna have the right head coach, then
they could get left behind and there might not be
any turning back. Like I think this program is in
some serious trouble right now.
Speaker 1: That's even bigger than Mike Gundy. No.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And here's the thing about the money.
Speaker 5: So they this, you have this big ass concert Boys
for Oklahoma who then went on and actually did a
show in Waco at Baylor Stadium, Turnpike, Troubadours and Crew
all you know, big names, and you sell that out
for like four days. You sell out Boom Pickings. All
that money was to go to n il and and
I believe it was across all sports to be fair.
But you have that and that went really well. I
think they're planning on doing something like that again. I think,
really what lost some of the money. And here's the
irony in it is he did it to himself. I
think halfway last year Mike Dundy's comments, he just went
after the fan base and said a bunch of poors
will never be successful and can't pay their bills and
whatever else, all this other shit he said literally shot
himself in the foot. All those donners said all right,
well fuck you, We'll just take our money and spend
it elsewhere. And now he comes back the next year
words with the money, and it's like, well, don't call
out the fans who just want better product because you
don't care.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: I mean that's why I want to move on from him.
I think the donors will come back when you know
there's a new coach with a fire lid under his ass.
I mean, Gundy's the flame under Gunny has been has
been burned out for probably three years now, going on
three years.
Speaker 3: You know. I talking to the friend show.
Speaker 5: Billy Locke, and uh he said, if they lose the
Tulsa that they're going to sell the rest of the
season tickets, so they just won't go. And and he
even said shared the same sentiment, And all the OSU
fans I've talked to you showed the same sentiment that
it's not that we don't love O s U and
want then we want the best for him, but it's
you can't sit by and it and it's we knew,
you know, all the OSUE fans knew that Oregon was gonna,
you know, dog walk us, and they did. But the
lack of care is what is disgusting about this. And
if Mike Gundy continues to be the coach, which I
don't know what I'll I don't know what I would do.
I don't even want to entertain this that he would
somehow make a bowl game and then they would keep
him for next year.
Speaker 3: I think he's got to leave.
Speaker 5: I think, whether it be at the end of the
season or by God, they lose the tulso there will
be people calling for heads. I think when you get
the right coach in there, I think the donners will
come back.
Speaker 3: You know. For people to.
Speaker 5: Make OSU or a football program a priority in their checkbook,
the coach also has to be have the team is
his priority as well. And you know Mike Gundy's priority
list right now, probably God, his family, maybe Diet Coke.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Saying oh, I think we got to watch the tape.
We're gonna we're gonna have to watch you know, we'll
go back, we'll watch the tape. But you don't need
to watch the tape. Uh, you need to pull out
football one. Oh, one for dummies and and have your
coordinators read that or you know you you bring in
Doug meetchim. You know, sounds like he's probably a nice guy.
And I didn't really see anything. Uh No, no trick plays,
no craziness, and you don't know, you don't want to
do too much for Zane Floores right out of the
gate because it was like his first start since being
in high school for him. And you're on the road
in hotson loud plays.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 5: But the lack of care that was put on uh
for that game was just a huge, huge slap in
the face to every single OSU fan. Kate Cunningham. Uh
not Kate Cunningham. Sorry, by god, what's who? Who did
Gundhy call out?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Gavin Gundy called out Carson Cunningham, who used to Cunningham
media member. Now he's a pr guy, Yeah, a long
time OSU fan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he he Carson Cunningham.
Speaker 3: I know I had to see right that came out.
See I'm fired up.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm calling the ghost of the os U, ghost
of Kid Cunningham to come back to save this program,
come back from Detroit.
Speaker 3: But you know, he tweets out you know, it's pathetic.
Speaker 5: And then, by god, Gavin Gundhy's dumbass gets on Twitter
and rants back at him and calls and he's so funny.
Speaker 3: This is what he called him. He went on a huge.
Speaker 5: Rent and said that Carson, you know, you don't know
the how big of balls you got to have to
run this program and what my dad's done for this program,
and you'll never be successful. Pretty much parallel with Gundy's
comments to the fans last November. I wonder where he
learned that from well.
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, with that said, you know,
you had Gavin's comments that were so.
Speaker 1: Childish and all and.
Speaker 4: The points that Gavin was making saying that you know, hey,
OSU football is an OSU football without Mike Guandy and
all this, which just isn't true because there's no Mike
Gundhy without last Miles first off, and you know things
of course invested with the money from t boone Pickens
that allowed Mike Gundy to have the success he did.
Speaker 1: But two things can be true.
Speaker 4: What what Gavin Gundhy and morons that are defending Mike
Gundhy failed to understand or fail to accept, is that
you can appreciate Mike guandhy and say that he has
done a lot forclall in the state, but it's time,
it's pastime to move on. These things get messy. Look
at Garry Patterson's departure from TCU. I would argue Gary
Patterson had a much bigger impact and much more success
at TCU than Mike Gundy did at Oklahoma State. And
he was out of that job mid season his last year,
and his relationship is still strained with TCU. But you
know what they did. They hired Sunny Dykes. In his
first year, they played in a national championship. I'm not
saying Oklahoma State's going to national championship Manus Tretch next year.
Speaker 3: We da I can only get so hard, keep going.
Speaker 4: But with that said, like you can, you can make
a change. You can make those tough decisions from a
legend and still be okay. And I think that's what
Oklahoma State is gonna have to say, is you know what, Mike,
whether you retire or we have to force you out,
whatever it may be, We're gonna have to do not
what's best for Mike Gundy.
Speaker 1: We had to do what's best for Oklahoma State and
that's the real, the truth of the matter.
Speaker 4: Uh speaking out coaches in hot Water real quick, Let's
go to Gaines, Phil.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to admit that you were wrong about
Billy Napier? Your guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I wanted to be right. I wanted
to be right.
Speaker 4: Baft Florida losten to a backup quarterback at home? What
in the hell Billy Napier? And their schedule is even
worse than Oklahoma's? Is it is going to be ugly?
It is looking pretty bad. I told you to DJ Lagway.
It wasn't as good as advertised. And I don't think
South Florida's a bad team by any stretch, but it
was still a backup quarterback and it was still at home.
Speaker 1: Might I add you?
Speaker 4: But Florida feels like Oklahoma State Tom but on a
bigger scale in this sense, like they're an SEC team,
they're in the state of Florida, they have won national titles,
they have resources, but that's a program that's actually been
struggling with money compared to the rest of the SEC.
And they brought back Billy and they didn't really want to,
but they didn't really have a choice. Like I'm looking
at Florida and that program. They're gonna need a spark
and they're gonna need somebody to excite that fan base
and excite those those players in recruits to make up
for kind of the lack of the resources that they have.
It's two weeks in and I feel like it's it's
over for Billy Napier.
Speaker 3: Oh, it absolutely is.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think if you win that game,
you kind of keep it going a little bit further
until you get in the SEC play and then see
kind of how the season goes.
Speaker 3: But I mean, that.
Speaker 5: Felt like that felt like a nail, and I think
probably Napier probably knows it too. I mean, they're running
the risk of you know, Miami was Miami was so
big and in the early two thousands and they were
this big team and you know, they were they were
making waves and then they you know, they kind of disappeared.
And only here recently have they start been trying to
creep back into the conversation. Is Florida big enough for
three big brands? Florida, State, Florida in miamiir it is?
You know, one have to kind of take that back seat.
Speaker 1: Uc F and now South Florida too. You know how
many Oh yeah, I mean how many chairs can fit
in the musical chairs of the state of Florida.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I mean like it.
Speaker 1: Looks like Florida doesn't have one of those chairs right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like the chairs are very thin and
and Florida didn't get put their ass in a seat
when the music stopped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not looking good, not at all. One
more topic before we break down the games this week,
Tom the Big Twelve with some interesting headlines this week.
You know, you started off by the commissioners given the
blank canvas to Dave Portinoy.
Speaker 1: Here, here's our league, do what you.
Speaker 4: Want with it, and Day being like, Okay, the Big
Ten's not gonna let me do this. They only even
let me in the state. And you guys are giving
me free reign with the Big Twelve. Hell yeah, there's
some boomers out there that.
Speaker 1: Hate the idea.
Speaker 4: I think if you're the Big twelve, you're not getting
the attention from ESPN and Fox, if Borstool's willing to
help you out, and you're not having to pay any
money by all means, take the free publicity.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: That was a good start to the week, and then
we get in We get into the weekend and Iowa
State wins a close game with Iowa and that was
a little too close for comfort, but hey, it's a
rivalry game.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was that.
Speaker 4: Good, but that game is always close no matter who wins,
so I can live with that. But then things looked
pretty bleak for this league. We already mentioned what happened
with Oklahoma State. Arizona State had no reason to be
losing to a you know, a mid maybe even bad
Mississippi State team on the road. I guess they could
have handled the cow Bell Kenny Dillon. His coaching decisions
down the stretch were atrocious. I like Kenny Dillingham, but
he coached a bad game that night. KU started out
hot against Missous. They're up twenty one to six, and
watching that game, I was saying to myself, like, this
just isn't gonna last. They can't match the physicality of
Missou and Lance Leipold made some dumb decisions. I didn't
like the way he coached that game in the fourth quarter,
and they didn't go forward on the fourth down when
they should have. They coached way too conservative, and I've
seen that act one too many times. As much I
love Lance, he has struggled in these late game situations
and you can kind of see the finish before it
happens in.
Speaker 1: Some of these circumstances.
Speaker 4: And you know, just just looking at the way things
played out, you know, k State losing the Army, how
disgusting was that last week?
Speaker 1: Too army? And this is a down year for Army.
Speaker 4: Might I add we lost to Tarleton State just a
week ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, like that's that's not a good look.
Speaker 4: And in case State already lost at North Dakota a
couple of weeks They almost lost in North Dakota a
couple of weeks ago as well. You know, Baylor thankfully
squeaked by SMU took double overtime a road win. Good
bounce back for them. But I didn't even mention West
Virginia losing to Ohio. I say all this to say
just pains me to admit, but here's the truth of
the matter. We're two weeks in and I'm looking at
the big Twell's playoff hopes and I'm seeing right now,
at best two teams make the collegehell play from the
Big twelve and more than likely.
Speaker 1: I hate to say this too.
Speaker 4: Probably just one at this point because Arizona State's in trouble.
Iowa State they got work to do, but I feel optimistic.
I don't I think Baylor's much of a threat. Texas
Tech hasn't played anybody yet. Texas Tech and Utah both
look good, but they haven't played anybody worse.
Speaker 1: Shit at this point. Ku, I think solid team.
Speaker 6: But.
Speaker 4: They got ways to go still. They got their problems
with the line of scrimmage. Cincinnati isn't that great, Colorado
is okay, They're gonna start their third string quarterback this week.
West Virginia isn't any good. Case State isn't any good.
Houston isn't a threat. U Seef isn't a threat, Arizona
isn't a threat.
Speaker 1: B Yu didn't impress me against Stanford.
Speaker 4: I hate to say it, Tom, but two weeks in,
I feel like we already know that this this league
just it.
Speaker 1: It ain't it.
Speaker 4: It's it's that best two teams right now, and in
Utah and Texas Tech, who everybody's talking about like cool,
but let's see you actually play somebody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this is the league all around, uh
and headlined by obviously O Glahoma State is just bad
this year.
Speaker 3: And I think it's gonna be one of those.
Speaker 5: Years where you know, I think it happens to some
well I think it happens. I mean, the ACC has
had down years outside of you know, the Clemson, you know,
the Pac twelve had bad years obviously well multiple and
look what happened. But I think right now, if you're
you're the Big twelve, you kind of kind.
Speaker 3: Of lean your hope a little bit on.
Speaker 5: You could you kind of put some hope in some
hopefully some faith that, Okay, is TCU gonna wreck shop
or is Texas Tech gonna.
Speaker 3: Lead us through this bad year? Because you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: I think you're looking at two, maybe even just one
Big twelve team in the playoff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not looking good. Let's uh, let's roll through
very quickly. Here the Big twelve an SEC slate games
this week. Two Big twelve games on Friday night, Colorado
and Houston squaring off in Houston. Wegman's looked pretty good
for Houston to this point, and Colorado going with their
third string quarterback Stob.
Speaker 1: Who what was the nickname Dion gave him Martin Luther
Stobb the other day yea as.
Speaker 4: His first white quarterback that he's ever started in his
coaching career. Good matchup there between Colorado and Houston. Tom,
I Houston's a four and a half point favorite.
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm intrigued by Houston.
Speaker 4: If there's a team that we're not talking about, I'm
not saying they're gonna be like Arizona State of last year.
If there's a team sitting in this league that's that
could take a big step up, I think Houston could
be that team potentially to do so.
Speaker 1: And this could be a good going.
Speaker 4: For them, and this might be their chance on a
national stage, you know, on on national TV on Friday nights.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very well, mind, I think you know, nobody's really
talking about Houston either, So I think honestly, if you're
a Houston fan, I think that's kind of what you want.
Speaker 3: Fly under the radar and just and win.
Speaker 4: Kay State taking on Arizona also on Friday night. This
is technically a non conference game, by the way, because
they had this scheduled before Arizona was a member of
the Big Twelve. Arizona two and zero. They played better
than what they looked last year. KSE State one and two.
Arizona's trying to prove themselves that they belong. KSE State
wants back in the conversation. Call me crazy, Todd, but
you know we're gonna have two good quarterbacks and Fafiita
and Avery Johnson. I actually feel like, I know it's
week three, I feel like this will must win game
for both these teams, and I think I lean towards
Arizona at home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I leaned towards Arizona two. I mean
Avery Johnson. Is this Case State has just not been impressive.
I don't know what it is. I don't know what happened.
I mean, I don't think even if k State was
to like miss a bowl game, obviously Climben's job is
not in any trouble anywhere close. But I just you know,
if you're a case State fan, I think you're going
to say, hey, what the hell's going on? Wasn't this
supposed to be like a year that we could do it?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 5: The KSE State kind of feels like Utah and Oklahoma
State last year, where seemed like they were a front
runner and then just as the ability to not go
so hot.
Speaker 4: Baylor taking on Sanford, they should win that. Texas Tech
taking on Oregon State. I don't think Oregon State's that good.
They're rowing too. Their special teams unit got a f
bomb by their own coach on National TV last week
in an interview. Malik Murphy's their quarterback, the old Texas
quarterback returning the Lubbock here. Uh, you know, I believe
leave did he play in that game against Texas Tech
a couple of years ago. Anyways, Texas Tech their first
chance to kind of show up and show out that
twenty eight million dollar roster. Here, Tom, I think if
you're Texas Tech, you're playing a bad Oregon State team,
it's on national.
Speaker 1: TV, you're at home.
Speaker 4: I think you need to win this one big and
kind of send a message that hey, we can back
up what we paid for here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, yeah, this is where you know, put
your bundy where your mouth is. Let's let's see what
we what did that twenty eight million bias? This is
where you showed off.
Speaker 4: West Virginia taking on pitt in the backyard brawl. West
Virginia losing to Ohio. You got a rivalry game here, Holston.
Pitt's quarterbacks played pretty well the first couple of weeks
of the season. I don't expect much out of West Virginia,
but it is a rivalry game.
Speaker 1: You never know here.
Speaker 5: Tom, Yeah, I feel like West Virginia could pull it off,
but I mean, this is not as an exciting backyard
brawl that we've ever had.
Speaker 1: Since.
Speaker 4: Then, he takes out Northwestern State, they should be fine there.
I was stayed taking on Arkansas State on the road.
Iowa State, Why the hell are you going to Jonesborough.
That's a whole another topic, I guess, but I was
State should be okay. Utah renews their rivalry with Wyoming,
and that's another thing you taught.
Speaker 1: Why in the hell are you going to Laramie? But
Utah just take care of business. Please.
Speaker 4: TCU taking on Avaline Christian and then Arizona State taking
on Texas State at home. Everybody, please do not get embarrassed.
Do not be losing games you're not supposed to do
this week. Meanwhile, let's turn our attention to the SEC.
Oklahoma taking on Temple. The line has been pretty interesting
in this game time. It opened at twenty six and
a half, got down to twenty one and a half.
Now it's back up to twenty three and a half
for OU, and there's been talk this week front of
the show. Edivard Dasovich got caught on a hot mic
at the Oh You press conference this week talking about
how it's gonna feel like a high school game, the
Temple's not very good, and that there's gonna be twenty
five thousand OU fans there. They're going to outnumber the
Temple fans. Everything he said was true, but certainly that
is going to ruffle some feathers a bit Temple's do
and oh they're off to a good start this year.
Ben Harbuckle was very complimentary of Temple this week. But
if you're OU, I think that you try to put
the Michigan game, pick up where you left off, get
this offense going. As much as I like Mattier the
last couple of weeks, I still want to see more
from this offense. If you're Oklahoma, I think you should
not be satisfied unless you put up fifty or more
in this game.
Speaker 1: I think that's a realistic expectation.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, bro, you say it'd be nice to,
you know, maybe put the hammer down early. And you know,
maybe getting my tears some rest before conference play starts.
I think, you know, don't you don't want to be
in a close game with Temple with you know, ten
minutes left in the fourth.
Speaker 4: At the same time, I don't think it will be
Wisconsin takes on Alabama in Tuscaloosa, second big non conference
game for the Crimson Tide. After losing Florida State, Wisconsin's
to and oh Alabama's twenty and a half point favorites
at home.
Speaker 1: They had a decisive win last week.
Speaker 4: I don't think Wisconsin's that great, but I didn't think
Florida State was that great a couple of weeks ago either, Tom.
I just right now, I just don't trust to Kaitlin
de board team. I would if this was a betting situation.
I'm staying away all day from Alabama in twenty and
a half here. I'm not saying Wisconsin's going to go
in and win, but I don't think anybody's feeling very
confident about the Tide at this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't touch this game with any money.
It's one of those games where Wisconsin gonna have a
resurgent and win, But Yeah, it's kind of a weird game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Auburn taken out South Alabama at home twenty four and
a half point favorites.
Speaker 1: They should be fine. Bazoo got the best of my
Jayhawks last week.
Speaker 4: They take out Louisiana twenty seven and a half point favorites
at home.
Speaker 1: They should win.
Speaker 4: Georgia taking on Tennessee. George's looked really good the last
couple weeks. Stockton's played solid defense, looks really good. But
I think one of the biggest surprises time for Tennessee
is what we've seen out of Joey Aguilar at the
quarterback spot. Nico hasn't looked great at UCLA. Aguilar people
were pretty skeptical about because he didn't necessarily play that
great at app State.
Speaker 1: Did they upgrade at the quarterback position? Potentially they're at
home here. I feel like I should pick Georgia. But
something about this Tennessee team the last couple of weeks
of what we've seen unpleasantly surprised with Joey Aguilar and
this Tennessee team right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought they, you know, could potentially take a
step back, but I think they looked pretty decent and
I do think Georgia probably gets the win here, but
game day is going to be there.
Speaker 3: Maybe the magic of Kandas Parker helps him get the dub.
Speaker 4: Maybe, So Texas takes on utep arch Manning gets a
chance to pat his stats a little bit. Mississippi State
taking on al Corn State should be fine there in
Mississippi State could be three to doer all of a sudden,
Arkansas and Old Miss. It is in Oxford, Mississippi seven
and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1: And you look at.
Speaker 4: Taylor Green, he's a good quarterback. Ole Miss barely got
by Kentucky last week. You heard it first. Don't sleep
on the Razorbacks. If Sam Pittman's three and oh, all
of a sudden, everybody thought that he was gonna lose
his job.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: You beat Old Miss, you start out three and oh,
then this could this could be the turning point. This
could be what saved Sam Pittman's year there in Fayetteville.
Speaker 5: This type of win, Yeah, he beats Old Miss, He's
gonna have to have him some old cold beer.
Speaker 3: Ls.
Speaker 1: You take it on. Florida.
Speaker 4: LSU didn't look great last week. To be honest, they
are at home Florida. I don't think it's Eric could
l s U seven and a half point favorites. I
think Nuss Meyron company. They put the hammer down Harold
Perkins the best player in all of college football, arguably
best defensive player for sure.
Speaker 1: I think LSU is gonna make it ugly on Florida here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to think so too. And it's you know,
these teams. I feel like they don't like each other either.
So yeah, I got l SU.
Speaker 4: Big, Texa, A and M that Notre Dame had a
by last week. Odd enough, after that lost in Miami.
I liked what I saw from car even though they
lost that game. A and M's to and Oh they
struggled in this game last year to get the offense going.
It was Mike Elko's first game he had coached. They're
going on the road here. We know that Notre Dame's
physical with the line of scrimmage, that can run the
ball with Jeremiah Love, who I think is the best
running back in the country. I don't think Texas, A
and M is bad by any stretch, but I like
Notre Dame's physicality and I even liked them in their
loss in Miami a couple of weeks ago. I think
Notre Dame's a good team. I would be surprised if
Notre Dame lost A and M at Homedown.
Speaker 5: Yeah so and I and I don't trust in him,
So I think Notre Dame's probably should should win.
Speaker 4: Kentucky should beat Eastern Michigan. They're twenty four and a
half point favorites. And then South Carolina taken on Vandy.
South Carolina's looked good at.
Speaker 1: Two and O.
Speaker 4: I like sellers a lot, but Vandy is two and zero.
Pavia's look good. He's thrown for five touchdowns in the
first two games. South Carolina three and a half point favorites.
I got South Carolina winning here, but I'm not gonna
be shocked one bit if Vandy can find a way
to pull off the upset there in Colombia.
Speaker 1: Could you see that happening.
Speaker 3: Tom, I could.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's supposed to be South Carolina's coming out
kind of coming out here, but.
Speaker 3: Vandy could spoil it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see more to come.
Speaker 4: Chad with throw is set to join us next as
we will get his thoughts on more in the Southeastern Conference.
Speaker 1: That is on the other side, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: Johnna is Now the program this week is our good
friend Chad with throw from OutKick Hot Mike. You hear
him each and every day at OutKick dot Com and
they got a new YouTube channel as well, and he
joins us right now. Chad, appreciate it the toime as always.
I think we've got a few things that we can
discuss today.
Speaker 6: No doubt about it. Tyler. Always the pleasure of joining
your show, So thank you for having me on again.
Speaker 4: All the talk Chad entering twenty twenty five seemed to
center on Texas at Arch Manning, and of course he
didn't play well against Ohio State week one, and now
I'm hearing a lot of people love what they saw
from LSU against Clempson. Oklahoma stock is starting to rise,
Bama stock is falling a bit. Georgia is still there
right now. I know we're only two weeks in. If
you had to pick one team, who would you say
to the team to beat in the SEC right now?
Speaker 6: Well, it's a great question. I mean I still would
kind of default to Georgia at this point, and we'll
see what they do in Knoxville this weekend. But you
can't go against the track record of Kirby Smart and
what he's really done since you know, twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty, starting that run with Georgia twenty eighteen, really
going back to them, I would put Georgia at the top.
I still think Texas is going to be right there.
They have a dynamic defense and that showed in that
game against Ohio State. Arch is only gonna get better
and better. But I think what you have in the
SEC right now, Tyler, which is really exciting. I don't
know if there's a bad team in the conference. You know,
a year ago, Missippi State was a bad football team
and didn't win a game in the conference. Kentucky was
a pretty bad team. Maybe it is Kentucky, but Kentucky
hung tough with Old miss at home on Saturday. Like
top to bottom, I know everybody's talking about the top
of the Big Ten versus the top of the SEC,
and maybe the Big Ten does have a bit of
an upper hand right now when you're talking about three
or four teams versus the top three or four. But
when you go one through sixteen in the SEC, Vandy's
got a good chance if they go in and win
as only a four and a half point underdog at
South Carolina, they could stay in the College Football plaoff
MIIXEH for a large portion of this year. I mean
that is not out of the ram of possibility. Tennessee
looks better than I expected with Joey Aguilar. I think
Arkansas is a sleeper. Mississippi State certainly better than we
expected with that big win over Arizona State, a team
that was picked in the preseason to win the Big Twelve.
I mean, I really think top to bottom this league
is fantastic, which is going to lead to a lot
of eight and four and nine to three and seven
and five teams. So then we get to the end
of the season and get to see how that committee
decides to rank those teams when we get ready for
the playoffs.
Speaker 4: I've been hearing a lot from my Oklahoma people about
the scheduling, and that's been a big topic. Oklahoma is
one of the toughest schedules in the SEC and really
in all of college football in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Same can be said for Florida.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, you look at Texas and things look pretty easy there. Georgia,
we heard Kirby Smart talking about it when they won
the SEC championship last year, that the league didn't make
things easy on them. When you have this much parody, Chad,
how much do you think that the luck of the
draw of these schedules is going to play a factor
into determining ultimately who gets to Atlanta and who ends
up in the collegeball playoff here?
Speaker 6: I mean it's a huge factor, and there's no way
to avoid. You get these huge conferences and these imbalance schedules.
You see it all the time in the Big Ten
with eighteen teams. The SEC is eventually gonna get to
eighteen teams, I guarantee it, and you're gonna see even
more imbalance when we get the list of the three
constant opponents. You know there's gonna be some big imbalance
in that with teams and who they're paired up with annually.
I think by the way Oklahoma shout out to them
also with a huge win, another team that's going to
be in the mix the top of the SEC, another
team that should have a good chance the College football Playoff.
I mean, the conference is stacked, and I think when
you look at the other end of that, you know
Florida is at the high end of man lose to
South Florida, and now that schedule looks impossible, although it
did a year ago when they finish out strong. But
it's hard to see them regrouping just because of who
they play and especially where they play them in certain instances.
I think Missouri is a great example, after coming from
behind to beat Kansas at home. You win that game
and you look at their schedule, this is very manageable
for an SEC, right, I mean, they're gonna have a
really good shot at sneaking into the back end of
that playoff. Also, and I'm not sure how good Missouri is,
but I know they're a good football team. And that's
that's the great thing about this the SEC this year
is if you don't have a dog in the hunt,
I mean, it feels like the NFL. Right, it feels
like there's off games. It doesn't feel like there's a
cupcake game in there. Everything feels like you could lose,
everything feels like you could win. I mean, Kentucky, I
don't think is gonna go winless in the conference. They're
gonna beat somebody at some point along the way. So
I think that really makes it exciting. And yeah, definitely
add Oklahoma to that list of teams who could compete.
John Mattier is a problem for the rest of the conference.
If he stays healthy. That dude can ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4: And you know, I was so impressed with the way
he played last week. Got a lot of touches run
on the football, and their ground game with their running
backs wasn't that great. They had some big issues on
their offensive line last year. That to me, you know, Chad,
I look at at Oklahoma team. I got some questions
about Brent fvennibles, but John Mattier, as good as he is,
they're gonna have to fight a way to run the
football outside of him. If that team is gonna be
taken seriously in this conference, I would.
Speaker 6: Think, yeah, I mean, they're gonna have to certainly expand
what they're doing. But you know, we see this every
five to ten years where a quarterback comes in the
league and he's so good and so dynamic, he kind
of carries a team on their back. I think Diego
Pavia was that a year ago for Vandy until he
got slowed by injury late in the year. That's the
big thing to me is John Mattier has done this
at a high level at Washington State. He's doing it
at a high level at at Oklahoma. But when that
the cumulative effect of all the hits you're gonna take
running the football consistently in the Southeastern Conference. We saw
it with Pavia last year. It's gonna take its toll.
At some point You're not gonna be one hundred percent.
So how does that affect someone like Matier? That's where
the running game and running backs can take a big
load off for you. But I mean, I haven't even
gotten LSU yet. By the way, Also, who has the
biggest winning the conference going to Clemson and winning on
the road the way they did against the time the
fourth rank team in the country. Now, Clemson didn't look
good in Week two against Troy, but nonetheless, I think
Brian Kelly's got a super talented team that should be
in the mix. I mean, it's an exciting time to
be a fan of the SEC. And I'll say it again,
Oklahoma has gone above expectation so far. Arkansas, to me,
is going to be better than people thought coming into
the year. Mississippi State certainly better than people thought. Vandy
may be as good or maybe better than we thought
coming into the year, there are a lot of teams
that sometimes you'd put towards the bottom of the list,
that right now look really really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk a hot seat for a moment. A
lot of pressure on Billy Napier, of course, after losing
the South Florida this past week, Kaitlyn de Boor, they're
in Alabama, big discussions after the loss to Florida State,
and you mentioned Arkansas. Certainly some eyes on Sam Pittman,
who in your mind has the most pressure on them
right now at.
Speaker 1: This point in the season when it comes to saving
their job.
Speaker 6: It's Billy Napier. You know, you look at their schedule.
First off, I would not be shocked if they rally
after last week and go to LSU and win, because
we've seen Brian Kelly lay some eggs even at home
a year ago to Alabama getting spanked the way they did,
so that could happen, and Florida's got the talent to
do something like that. But I mean, they lose this week,
they're looking at Texas shortly after. I mean one in four,
one in three you know, becomes a reality quickly for
that Florida team. And I don't know if Billy Naper
is going to recover even if you win some games
down the stretch. In year number four, Sam Pittman looks
like he's alleviating some of that stress, and I think
that he's going to be someone that that team is
going to surprise. You know, Venables is an interesting one
because I think that game against I think it's Auburn.
In two weeks, they get Temple, then they host Auburn,
and I believe Tyler, they have a bye week after that.
That Auburn game is huge at home. If they can
beat Auburn at home and get to four and oh
at that point going into.
Speaker 1: The bye, yeah, and then after that yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because then the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Then after that you get a win over Kent State,
but then it's Texas at South Carolina, Old Miss at
Tennessee at Bama. He gets really tough after that. But
if they can get to four and oh, I think
that at worst, you're probably looking at a seven and five,
you know, eight and four type team, and I think
given their schedule, that will be enough to keep him
around and showing that improvement. But that Auburn game is pivotal.
It's pivotal for Hugh Freeze, who I thought coming into
the season had the hottest seat. But they've been good.
You know, they look like a Hugh Freeze team you
thought they would be with what Hugh Freeze is able
to accomplish at Old Miss. So yeah, I think it's
Billy and Aper the top of the list, and it
goes down from there.
Speaker 4: Last thing on the SEC real quick here, Chad, good
slate of games. You mentioned that Tennessee Georgia game game
Day is gonna be at Florida looking to bounce back,
taking on lsu A and m going on the road
against Notre Dame. That's just some of the notable ones.
What games kind of catch your eye this weekend?
Speaker 6: Tennessee and George is the biggest I think for the
conference this year. Gunnar Stockton that he's not really played
in a game like this where it's gonna be a
volatile crowd in Knoxville and it's gonna be as loud
as anywhere it's gonna be this this season. That's a
big one. I think the sleeper game of the week
is Vandy at South Carolina. That's the best quarterback matchup
of the week. Diego Pavia versus Leonora Sellers. That's one
I'm gonna be watching. I think that has a chance
to be a terrific football game. And if Clark, Lee
and Vaney can go into South Carolina, a place I
don't think they've won in sixteen years in Columbia South Carolina,
that would be a huge notch in the belt for
the Commons LSU Florida. Huge. I mean, it's a sneaky
good week and you brought it up. I mean Texas
A and m Notre Dame, Mike Elko in his debut.
They did not look good at home a year ago
to open the season against the Irish, but I think
that they have the horses to go up to South
Bend and pull off the win. How healthy is Marcel Reid?
Can he get the offense going against a really good
Notre Dame defense?
Speaker 3: A lot of.
Speaker 6: Question mark A lot of question marks about Notre Dame. Also,
you know, after that season opening loss to Miami. I
think they've got a really good quarterback in CJ. Carr.
But that's going to be a special atmosphere and big
time game as well.
Speaker 4: Chap before we go plug away, tell where people can
see the show and follow all the stuff you're doing.
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Speaker 4: Chad, thanks again for joining us, and we'll talk you
in down the line, all right.
Speaker 6: Thanks buddy,