Speaker 1: Greeteys and salutations everyone at rich Wilson walk into Fantasy
Speaker 1: Baseball Live. Today is January fourth, Happy New year to everyone.
Speaker 1: It's three thirty here in the afternoon, and Tim and
Speaker 1: I running a little bit late, Timmy, because we were
Speaker 1: getting caught up on all the world events and all
Speaker 1: the craziness that's going on. And probably the first time
Speaker 1: Tim and I have talked for thirty minutes. I don't
Speaker 1: think it uttered the word baseball in those thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: It is pretty crazy. Yeah, oh yeah, it was an
Speaker 2: honest thirty minutes, that's for sure. And I'm just sitting
Speaker 2: back here and oh my glory watching all the NVB
Speaker 2: stars and future MLV stars signing up. An exciting time
Speaker 2: for a guy like me, Richie.
Speaker 1: Really, man, I have got I have got my hand
Speaker 1: on the zero point zero. Oh yeah, because we're we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about right out of the shot. And first
Speaker 1: of all, how was your years, Timmy? Did you do anything?
Speaker 1: Did you stay up and watch the ball drop?
Speaker 2: I put on my dress pjs, okay, my finest fair
Speaker 2: saundered into the living room and we ate too much food.
Speaker 2: I ate a whole shrimpering. Can you believe that. No
Speaker 2: wonder I had heartburn for like three days. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: I so why would Why would?
Speaker 1: Why would shrimp give you heartburn?
Speaker 2: Because I hate way too much of it?
Speaker 1: Ok I.
Speaker 2: Four f family of four in one setting. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: the only one that likes it, and I hate wasting.
Speaker 2: That's sort of been greened in me.
Speaker 1: We grew up in that era, I mean where yeah
Speaker 1: cleaned your plate and that was not a good thing
Speaker 1: to be taught.
Speaker 2: No, no, we Our dog was trained okay to put
Speaker 2: you to put your plate down a little a little
Speaker 2: bit with mum wasn't looking okay, the stuff like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the dog learned to like more or lessay, so yeah, no,
Speaker 2: so no, it was quiet. We just sat around and
Speaker 2: watched a little TV, actually watched some BBC stuff, caught
Speaker 2: up and a little bit of that stuff, and just
Speaker 2: had a quiet evening. I'm well past the stage of
Speaker 2: partying with five hundred of my closest friends. It's no.
Speaker 1: So we and Marstown we have this thing called First
Speaker 1: Night Marstown or as actually Mars County. So and it's
Speaker 1: they opened up a bunch of venues, old churches, a
Speaker 1: couple of the historic holms, and our Mayo Center, and
Speaker 1: they have artists, musical artists mostly playing all over the
Speaker 1: town and just kind of wander in and out. It's
Speaker 1: got to their performances. Now it's put on by the
Speaker 1: arts and cultural groups. So it's it's a bit high
Speaker 1: brows stuff, which is kind of fun. So we saw
Speaker 1: a trio cello violinists who was a Jilli r train
Speaker 1: in a flutis playing kind of so we're celebrating the
Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary here in the United States.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a history through that. So they played
Speaker 1: forty five. It was phenomenal. Timmy Great. We saw an
Speaker 1: opera singer sing for We're supposed to stay for forty
Speaker 1: five minutes, and after about fifteen twenty minutes we said, okay,
Speaker 1: we've forard enough. Let's let's move on. So a choral
Speaker 1: group that was phenomenal. So that was the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff it is. So it's it's a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's not going and seeing you know,
Speaker 1: you're the pop group or whatever. It's it's a bit
Speaker 1: more like again, more cultural kind of stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: so much fun. You see a lot of people you
Speaker 1: know doing the same thing. You catch up, have a bike,
Speaker 1: to eat or just you know, grab something and then go.
Speaker 2: To like that.
Speaker 1: It's cool. Yeahs cool. Yeah. But speaking of music, Timmy,
Speaker 1: I have something to share with you that is a
Speaker 1: mus must watch on television. Are you a Billy Joel fan?
Speaker 2: More so the early stuff Piano Man, the first few
Speaker 2: albums as compared to the latter stuff. Yeah, but he's no,
Speaker 2: he's He's an incredible talent, incredible writer.
Speaker 1: So I want to encourage you and all of our listeners.
Speaker 1: There is a Billy Joel documentary that's just been put out.
Speaker 1: I think it came out in last July that is
Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal. It's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and it takes them through his struggle growing up and
Speaker 1: struggle to make it and all of that. We're down
Speaker 1: to the Christy Brinkley year, so we're kind of in
Speaker 1: the it's five hours, so we're I think on hour four,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's two parts. And the thing I didn't
Speaker 1: know about, Believe Joe, I'm not the biggest fan, but
Speaker 1: his first wife, who he stole from his first musical partner.
Speaker 1: They were married and they basically then fell in love.
Speaker 1: But she was the first part of the documentary. No
Speaker 1: one had ever really known anything about this woman because
Speaker 1: she kind of kept a little profile, but she kind
Speaker 1: of came back and she was his business manager. She
Speaker 1: was the inspiration for many of the early songs that
Speaker 1: she had and it is phenomenal. She's an amazing person.
Speaker 1: I mean, they really kind of played her up very
Speaker 1: big in the first part, and I just I mean,
Speaker 1: you just felt such admiration for this woman. And basically
Speaker 1: she saw Billy Joel killing himself with all the drugs
Speaker 1: and alcohol and crazy stuff on the motorcycle and she
Speaker 1: had a kid and said, look, you have got to stop.
Speaker 1: I can't live like this anymore. And he would not stop,
Speaker 1: and she said, I'm leaving you, and she basically left him.
Speaker 1: And pretty much Winnen had a normal wife and no
Speaker 1: one that she knew that lived around her even knew
Speaker 1: that she was married to Billy Joel and didn't know
Speaker 1: who she was. It's just a story. It's it's amazing.
Speaker 1: So they kind of go into that detail. They haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to his financial debacle, which is coming up. Great
Speaker 1: thing about it, his first wife's Elizabeth, who managed him.
Speaker 1: She had a brother name. Uh, I forgot the name
Speaker 1: of the brother who then managed him after she did,
Speaker 1: and that was who Billy Joel wanted to work with.
Speaker 1: And she said, you really shouldn't work with this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't trust him. And he was the one that
Speaker 1: took all his money. So it's just it's it's soap
Speaker 1: opera is to me, and it's just fantastic, just fantastic.
Speaker 2: I'll have toe.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Tommy, let's get into some baseball, shall we. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good plan.
Speaker 1: Uh. Segment one says introduction of news and notes it
Speaker 1: was an Asian week. That's that's what I wrote, because
Speaker 1: it seems like all the Asians were hired and one
Speaker 1: actually went back to UH to hand for I didn't
Speaker 1: write who that was? Who was the guy that did
Speaker 1: not sign with a major league team?
Speaker 2: Uh? Good question? It must have been. Hey, that's that's
Speaker 2: a very good question. I've been so wrapped up in
Speaker 2: Okamoto and am I that I wasn't even aware of
Speaker 2: somebody didn't make the great oh no corn attack, yeah attack,
Speaker 2: I ask you? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: who was theero zero point zero? There?
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Speaker 1: the I've got the pronounce am I am a I.
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Speaker 1: is saying m E I so, but you say it's
Speaker 1: am I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Emmy I is fine.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. I I don't know Timmy, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna turn it over to you. Tell us about the guy.
Speaker 1: I didn't get the big money that I think that
Speaker 1: he and Scott Barrs went it. But it's a typical
Speaker 1: Scott Baris deal three years and fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 1: But he gets to opt out every month and basically
Speaker 1: he gets off every after every year. So tell us
Speaker 1: about him. Tell us if he's a guy that you're
Speaker 1: going to be targeting with your drafts, go through it
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've we've talked about him before. He's coming
Speaker 2: off a season where he posted one one nine two ERA.
Speaker 2: His highest ERA prior to last year in the past
Speaker 2: five years was a three thirty and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: The past four years two forty one, two thirty, two
Speaker 2: thirty four. He strikes out better than one per inning.
Speaker 2: The stuff is fantastic. It really is great stuff. When
Speaker 2: I saw the when I saw the package. My first
Speaker 2: thought is did something come up on the medicals? Okay,
Speaker 2: because I saw this guy as one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: to two hundred million type player on a long term deal. Well,
Speaker 2: if something didn't come up on them, if something came
Speaker 2: up on the medicals, it makes sense. If something didn't
Speaker 2: come up on the medicals. The only thing that I
Speaker 2: can see for the contract being what it was is
Speaker 2: he ran into a time problem, like not enough of it, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I start like I started, like what he's done,
Speaker 2: not knowing any of those particulars what he's done. Basically,
Speaker 2: he's getting twenty MILLI year okay, with an opt out
Speaker 2: at the end of the first year if he pitches
Speaker 2: to the level that I believe he's capable of pitching to,
Speaker 2: which is an ACE or very close to an ACE
Speaker 2: level pitcher. At the end of year one, he opts
Speaker 2: out and he'll get his big contract. And he's the
Speaker 2: type of player that he's betting on himself, and I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna win. So, like I said, I was
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: So I've got some information. So you and I talked
Speaker 1: about that. We've talked about him and I multiple times,
Speaker 1: and when we first brought him up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you recall, because you never listened to me. So
Speaker 1: that's that's well found. That's well found.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: I had talked to some of my contacts at Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball teams and they they told me they weren't
Speaker 1: all that excited. And I asked why, and they said,
Speaker 1: the fastball was flat, and he didn't have a great
Speaker 1: he didn't have the splitter like all these other guys
Speaker 1: coming out of Japan. Was when I brought that up,
Speaker 1: you said, ah, but I think from what I've been reading,
Speaker 1: that's kind of come to like why he people did
Speaker 1: not want to spend one hundred and fifty to two
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Now, having said that, I reached out
Speaker 1: to a couple of people I know in the Bars corporation.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Hey, what's going on here? Is are the
Speaker 1: rumors true? And they downplay that, which you think they should.
Speaker 1: But they've also said they have been working in the
Speaker 1: off season with him and having him go through to
Speaker 1: get a little bit more spin on his fastball, to
Speaker 1: get a little bit more movement, and they had encouraged
Speaker 1: him to start throwing more of a two seemer than
Speaker 1: the four seamer to get somewhere. So they're pretty confident,
Speaker 1: and again Bar should be right, but this is kind
Speaker 1: of the line. They're pretty confident that they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to get this guy. He's going to outperform
Speaker 1: the three million, three year, fifty four million dollars and
Speaker 1: will become that two hundred million dollar pitcher that everybody
Speaker 1: that I guess Bar has thought, and you thought a
Speaker 1: lot of other people thought coming in. But I think
Speaker 1: they've got to prove it to the teams, and they
Speaker 1: and he's got to prove it, and he needs to
Speaker 1: make some changes in order to prove it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think if you go back and you take
Speaker 2: a look at twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, Okay,
Speaker 2: his walk rate was fairly elevated. Okay, last year he
Speaker 2: took his walk rate and cut it by about forty percent.
Speaker 2: That's a big number. He walked seventy in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four in one hundred and seventy three innings. Last year
Speaker 2: he walked forty five. Okay, So I think there's some
Speaker 2: there's some command issues there that also you know, hey,
Speaker 2: they're going to play into it, but hey, he struck
Speaker 2: out seventeen in a game, pitched a no hitter last year,
Speaker 2: and historically he's pitched under a three r. He's a
Speaker 2: good pitcher, a very.
Speaker 1: My understanding, there's nothing wrong with the velocity of the fastball.
Speaker 1: It's it's strictly on the movement, which is can't be fixed.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys Joe Ryan doesn't have a
Speaker 1: great moving fastball, but he's been able to be very,
Speaker 1: very effective. You know, in fantasy drafts he's going as
Speaker 1: just below an ACE level. So that's the cop I've
Speaker 1: heard come up with is a Joe Ryan type of pitcher. So,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gentleman in Japan that I use for an
Speaker 2: awful lot of my information as a source. He's American
Speaker 2: and he's been in Japan for it's got to be
Speaker 2: thirty plus years. He was the sports editor at the
Speaker 2: largest paper in Japan for years and he's doing is
Speaker 2: his his own work now. He's he's got to site
Speaker 2: very capable. He has said that a Maya has better
Speaker 2: rap here stuff than yam a mortal Wow, And I will,
Speaker 2: I will, I'm not will take that.
Speaker 1: That I was not hearing that I had not heard
Speaker 1: that That's not what I was hearing from people that
Speaker 1: were from Major League Baseball teams.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and what he said was the difference separating
Speaker 2: the two of them is the control. Okay, okay, what
Speaker 2: and that Hey, that counts, Okay, definitely counts. Over overall,
Speaker 2: there's that there is a comparison between the two. But
Speaker 2: Yamamo was a better, better pitcher in all facets of
Speaker 2: the pitching game. But I think what's going to happen
Speaker 2: is it's a good situation for the kid. Okay, worse
Speaker 2: it happens is he goes back to Japan in three
Speaker 2: years there was sixty million bucks in his pocket or whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, and it didn't work. The best it happens
Speaker 2: he renegotiates after year one, after a good year and
Speaker 2: gets his two hundred mil. So it's it's a win win.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't what I was expecting. How, you know,
Speaker 2: the end results unfold.
Speaker 1: I think, well, I think so, I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they also have to pay the posting fees.
Speaker 1: So for them, if it's after ten milis so if
Speaker 1: it's after one year, that's that's that's a hefty signing.
Speaker 1: So if he does leave after one year. But that's
Speaker 1: the risk that you know that they're on the hook for.
Speaker 1: It is a good landing spot, I believe for for
Speaker 1: him because I think the the Astros are still really
Speaker 1: good at developing pitchers, right, I mean so, I mean
Speaker 1: you could take a look at it. The guys that
Speaker 1: have come up, particularly these young Latin players, they've really
Speaker 1: been able to work with their all stuff and get
Speaker 1: them to throw more strikes. So I think that's encouraging
Speaker 1: as well with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's face it, before this signing, Houston was
Speaker 2: going into next year with Downtown Hunter Brown and nobody
Speaker 2: else basically, Yeah, is that his nickname or just make
Speaker 2: that up? No, I just made that through that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Downtown Brown. Yeah, no, they were because.
Speaker 1: I guess that means franber Valdez was is not going
Speaker 1: to resign with with the Astros. I guess that's probably
Speaker 1: what we're hearing now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know you're looking at Christian Heavier who's
Speaker 2: still dealing with arm issues. Lance mccullors junior will always
Speaker 2: deal with arm and Mike Burrows that's the before this signing,
Speaker 2: that was the Houston rotation. They needed an arm badly,
Speaker 2: They really did. They actually need more than an arm,
Speaker 2: so the opportunity for him there will be he's he's
Speaker 2: not he's not playing for a position, Okay, he's playing
Speaker 2: to be their number two guy behind Brown.
Speaker 1: So hopefully he's he's healthy. I mean, if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: Heavier is a pretty decent pitcher. Lancel Colors, You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean there's you have to put a zero zero
Speaker 1: on him and might Mike Burrows is. I mean, he
Speaker 1: needs a lot of help.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so again, Yeah, well you're looking at
Speaker 2: with Heavier, you're looking at a pitcher who's tossed a
Speaker 2: grand total of seventy innings in the past two years
Speaker 2: six twenty twenty three. That's that stuff I hate. I
Speaker 2: like the stuff, but he's got to prove he can
Speaker 2: stay healthy.
Speaker 1: So I think it was Tommy. Then you have Tommy John.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so, or some sort of a bridge, yeah,
Speaker 2: a bridge situation. But yeah, basically last year he threw
Speaker 2: thirty seven innings and they weren't real great, Okay, and
Speaker 2: I believe you know, I don't. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: one hundred percent yet anywhere close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so went he had surgery in June of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. So yeah, so he came back. It came
Speaker 1: back a little early because I think Garrett Cole's not
Speaker 1: coming back until so he had surgery. I think in
Speaker 1: May or June. He's not coming target to come back
Speaker 1: until June or July.
Speaker 2: So yeah, second second half basically, I think. So. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So anyhow, also, give me.
Speaker 1: Give me, give me a sateline. Games started, wins era
Speaker 1: and strikeouts games started.
Speaker 2: I'll go with twenty eight so full time, full time? Yeah,
Speaker 2: wins uh wins math who knows about fourteen wow?
Speaker 1: Era and strikeouts?
Speaker 2: Uh? E three twenty five strikeouts better than one per inning?
Speaker 1: Wow, Tim's all all in? And what would you where
Speaker 1: would you? Where would you take him? In a fantasy league?
Speaker 2: Let me just pull up, Oh where are we? The
Speaker 2: ADP's here, and I'll see see how they're currently sitting
Speaker 2: for pitching.
Speaker 1: He is going oops, M and I how you spell that?
Speaker 2: I I am ai.
Speaker 1: I am here. He's going seventy ninth, so you figure
Speaker 1: out seventy nine. There's probably at least twenty closers, so
Speaker 1: sixty nine sixty five something like that. Oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a twenty mineus seventy be fifty nine of fifty five.
Speaker 1: That's where he's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking at the names right now, and
Speaker 2: I would take him above Tyler Glasnaw all right, we'll
Speaker 2: take them above Brambour, veld or Valdez, and they're both
Speaker 2: in the top forty. I'd probably take them over.
Speaker 1: So you take so seventy eight is Cabrera, Kate Horton, Ranger, Suarez, Tanner.
Speaker 1: You hate Tanner, but you would take them ahead of
Speaker 1: all of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, you're you're looking at it. I would
Speaker 2: be looking at him as a number two, hopefully paying
Speaker 2: number three four price wow, uh tim, Yeah, as I
Speaker 2: would take him before Cole Reagan's at nineteen because Cole
Speaker 2: Reagan's hasn't proved able to stay healthy.
Speaker 1: I love Cole Reagan's zero point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love the stuff, but against stay healthy.
Speaker 2: So what do you? What do you? What do you do?
Speaker 1: I don't know? What do you? Yeah? I mean, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Cosumo Okamoto sign to a four year deal.
Speaker 1: The Blue Jays are on fire man. They're signing everybody
Speaker 1: four year, sixty million dollars, no opt outs, so clearly
Speaker 1: not a Bar's client. Bars loves his ops. Now, was
Speaker 1: O Komodo was the guy? Was he the guy that
Speaker 1: you liked better than Murakami?
Speaker 2: Yes, as a matter of fact, he is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I can't keep everything straight. Tell us about him.
Speaker 2: Again, O Kamoto. Well, just looking at the he'll hit
Speaker 2: the all fields. He hits for power. There's no speed,
Speaker 2: none whatsoever. His manager gave him the nickname of Young General.
Speaker 2: He was a team captain for his team in Japan.
Speaker 2: He's at two hundred and forty eight home runs and
Speaker 2: driven in seven hundred and seventeen. He had fifteen and
Speaker 2: half a season last year, which put him on pace
Speaker 2: to be a top three home run back in Japan.
Speaker 2: You gotta remember they're dealing with the they're dealing with
Speaker 2: the dead ball era right currently. And he's a six
Speaker 2: time All Star. Two.
Speaker 1: He's a little older, right, He's like.
Speaker 2: He's twenty nine. Yes, I was actually shocked that the
Speaker 2: Giants posted him. Okay, very unlike the Giants to make
Speaker 2: a move of that nature. The glove is adequate, it's
Speaker 2: not great.
Speaker 1: So you said you said his nickname was Little General.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that because he's he's a team leader kind of guy, or.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's a take. If you're the team captain
Speaker 2: on the Giants in Japan, it is comparable to being
Speaker 2: Derek Jeter with the Yeah. It carries that level of
Speaker 2: not mystique, but it carries that level of respect, and
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of respect for his Yeah, his
Speaker 2: skills and abilities.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean was known as the captain around the
Speaker 1: around baseball. I mean when he said the captain, he
Speaker 1: knew who it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I personally, you know, looking looking at the
Speaker 2: overall stats, even in a dead ball situation. Two years ago,
Speaker 2: he hit twenty seven home runs okay, which I believe
Speaker 2: had him tight for third or in third place. He's
Speaker 2: hit as many as forty one home runs.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna give you numbers. I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me higher and then when to stop. He
Speaker 1: hits twenty home runs in twenty twenty six higher, he
Speaker 1: hits twenty five higher, he hits twenty eight higher, he
Speaker 1: hits thirty one.
Speaker 2: I can, I can, I can go with that number. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's big tim So he is. He's a big bat.
Speaker 2: He hits to all fields. His hit tool is very strong. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the launch angle, he's gonna hit home runs. Looking at
Speaker 2: the strikeout to walk numbers in twenty three, one hundred
Speaker 2: and eleven strikeouts seventy two walks the year following ninety
Speaker 2: seven strikeout sixty six walks and half a season last
Speaker 2: year he walked and struck out thirty three times, so
Speaker 2: in two hundred and fifty one bats.
Speaker 1: If I were to suggest that is he Carlos Korea.
Speaker 2: With more power, considerably more power, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Carlos Karai can still hit twenty one runs. I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's got some serious skills. He really does.
Speaker 1: And he's going as the thirty first third basement off
Speaker 1: the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and gimme, gimme, gimme.
Speaker 1: So would you take him above Murakami?
Speaker 2: Yes, no hesitation. I am concerned. Amurakami's gonna have trouble
Speaker 2: with the high heat. This guy won't. He's hit hit
Speaker 2: home runs in international competitions. You know I'm on the
Speaker 2: big stage. No, he's he's a veteran skilled. Bad day,
Speaker 2: when I look at at the list above him, I
Speaker 2: will go up to at third base zero, I go up.
Speaker 2: I'll go up ahead of oh Man third third base
Speaker 2: is not that great, is it. I'll go up as
Speaker 2: high as match Saw somewhere, Matt Chapman somewhere in that range.
Speaker 2: I'd probably take him ahead and about Noelvie Marte after that,
Speaker 2: it's a crapshoot.
Speaker 1: Wow, Tim's all and I've already given you a zero
Speaker 1: point zero. So Timmy, you're all on this guy here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't perform, well you got some answer to do,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, you know what, Actually, I don't think
Speaker 2: I have any because right now his ADP is three
Speaker 2: thirty two. Okay, he will perform to that level. I
Speaker 2: am assured he will. I think whenever you get out
Speaker 2: of him is going to be significantly above the cost
Speaker 2: you're going to pay for him. Now that cost is
Speaker 2: going to increase rather substantially in the next short while.
Speaker 2: But if you've already got him, you didn't pay anything
Speaker 2: for him, so that changes it. Yeah, that changes things
Speaker 2: a little bit. We're January fourth, right, so let me
Speaker 2: just see I'm just going to put January first to fourth, okay,
Speaker 2: into the parameters, and let's see where he's at right now. Oh,
Speaker 2: he fell fourteen spots. Not No, he's up to twenty four.
Speaker 2: He's up to seventy one now from three thirty six
Speaker 2: since the signing. Now, granted that's only in one draft
Speaker 2: had this weekend, so it's an infinitively small sample size,
Speaker 2: but I expect him to rise up into the teams anyways,
Speaker 2: over the next month. His price is not going to decrease. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I need a third basement. To me, I'm in the
Speaker 1: fifteenth round. I'm two picks away. Is he somebody that
Speaker 1: I should be targeting in the fifteenth round?
Speaker 2: Oh, as far as I'm concerned, Yeah, who's left on
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 1: Jose Caballero, Muri Caleb, Caleb Durman, Mark Viento's, Brett Batti,
Speaker 1: Max Muntzy, Alec Bohm, Carlos Korea, those guys, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You could probably you could probably wait into the round
Speaker 2: or two. Who is me, I'd probably already have a rostered.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with Yeah, I start looking at
Speaker 2: the third base is not all that much better? Okay?
Speaker 1: The second?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a race.
Speaker 1: I think I've got my guys scheduled. I I know
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on third base, so uh, actually waiting on
Speaker 1: second base? I can't. We'll go through my team a
Speaker 1: little bit in a In a little bit, I think
Speaker 1: you'll be we'll talk about that. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to me.
Speaker 2: You know, you know who i'd have on my team
Speaker 2: that you the name that you just mentioned is Cavallero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's he's eligible everywhere. I've thought about that everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's eligible everywhere. And Anthony Volpe is not going
Speaker 2: to be back until at the earliest the end of April. Okay,
Speaker 2: you give a guy like Caballerera full time at bats
Speaker 2: for a month and you can steal twenty bases. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think I I I my my problem with my team, Well,
Speaker 1: there's we'll talk about it. But I did not have
Speaker 1: any multi positional guys on my team, and I've thought
Speaker 1: of Caballero there and just you know, take them a
Speaker 1: little early into saying the hell with it. I need
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna I'm gonna take him for his positional eligibility,
Speaker 1: and then I've got, you know, I've got somebody else.
Speaker 1: Come August when everybody has hurt, I've got somebody that
Speaker 1: can pop in there. Let's of course he gets hurt.
Speaker 1: Tim I got two more questions for the Angels signed
Speaker 1: Kirby Yates, who is the closure in Los Angeles? And
Speaker 1: does Yates have a chance to earn some saves?
Speaker 2: I think he has a chance to earn saves because
Speaker 2: when you look at the bullpen situation, it's sort of weird,
Speaker 2: you know, looking at looking at the Angels and their
Speaker 2: bullpen is right now a series of question marks. Okay,
Speaker 2: uh can Roberts? Is Robert Stevenson going to be healthy? Okay?
Speaker 2: Then you then you've got Drew palmeranz who has never
Speaker 2: been able to stay healthy. Then you got Kirby Yates,
Speaker 2: and then you've Ben Joyce and a young player with
Speaker 2: a big arm. But again he's he's coming off shoulder surgery.
Speaker 2: Right So right now, if I had to bet, I'd
Speaker 2: say Stevenson and everybody after that would be the order
Speaker 2: I'd be looking at. But there's no guarantees that Stevenson's
Speaker 2: going to be healthy, or Joyce or Palmer, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it could be a real crapshoot. I'm
Speaker 2: anticipating that there will be guys relief pitchers in the
Speaker 2: Angel system. I'll be mentioning off and on all year
Speaker 2: on the Waverroad.
Speaker 1: So would you would you take a would you take
Speaker 1: a flyer on Yates and in a draft?
Speaker 2: In a draft and hold? Yeah, I would in a draft,
Speaker 2: and hold, I don't know if I would in a
Speaker 2: regular draft. Kirby HS I think is closing in on
Speaker 2: forty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so forty forty year old guys can earn
Speaker 1: a save man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can. Definitely. If you get to around forty
Speaker 2: seven and everybody's forgotten about Kirby, ATE's make him your
Speaker 2: pick rich. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of the Angels, Timmy, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're going to say about this. I'm just gonna Anthony
Speaker 1: Rendon has retired from baseball. They worked out a deal
Speaker 1: to pay him his last year, but it's going to
Speaker 1: be extended over a number of years. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many years. I didn't even look into that. All
Speaker 1: I know is he was paid two d and forty
Speaker 1: five million dollars. He played two hundred and fifty seven
Speaker 1: games while with the Angels, and two had two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty four hits.
Speaker 2: I don't know if.
Speaker 1: That's going to go down as the worst deal in
Speaker 1: baseball history for a franchise, but it just did not
Speaker 1: work at his body just broke. He was a good
Speaker 1: player with the Nationals, won a World Series, but Timmy brutal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, he was actually and after his last
Speaker 2: season in Washington, at age twenty nine, he was he
Speaker 2: was on track for a Hall of Fame potential career. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you look at the warrant, you know, his last year
Speaker 2: in Washington, he hit thirty four homers, drove in one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six runs, scored one hundred and seventeen runs.
Speaker 2: Over the six years that he was on the coast,
Speaker 2: he hit twelve less home runs in the six years
Speaker 2: on the coast than he did in his last season
Speaker 2: in Washington. He hit twenty two home runs. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's yeah, yeah, you know, hey, and you look back
Speaker 2: and you say, well, how could they do something like that? Well,
Speaker 2: he hit thirty four home runs, drove in one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty six RBIs. Yeah, he struck out eighty six times,
Speaker 2: he walked eighty times. He had a four to twelve OBP.
Speaker 2: He had two obps two of the last three seasons
Speaker 2: he was in Washington. OBP was over four hundred all
Speaker 2: three of his his last three seasons in Washington. His
Speaker 2: ops was nine thirty six, nine O nine and ten ten.
Speaker 2: Like he was a really good player. It just didn't
Speaker 2: work out. Like you said, the body broke and they
Speaker 2: were all other mitigating problems obviously, but it's just odd
Speaker 2: when you see a player with that level of success, Okay,
Speaker 2: just totally disappear, and he did. Totally sad.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I'm looking at baseball savant and twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: was his last year in Washington. Yeah. He hit the
Speaker 1: ball really hard, ninety point four miles an hour with
Speaker 1: a ton of launch, nineteen degrees of launch, so he's
Speaker 1: going to hit power is expected. Batting average was three ten.
Speaker 1: He never he never struck out. He always walked. He
Speaker 1: was a good defender, great range, not a great arm,
Speaker 1: but a good defender.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: He was a great player. I mean, looking at the data,
Speaker 1: there should have been I mean he was getting older,
Speaker 1: but there should have been hit the ball to all fields.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about the guy from Shapan. This
Speaker 1: is the guy that hit the ball to all fields.
Speaker 1: Looking at the stray chart in twenty nineteen, and I
Speaker 1: just I think his body gave out. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think the talent disappeared, if that makes any
Speaker 1: level of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what for people that are, you know,
Speaker 2: throwing it out there, Anaheim was stupid. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Anaheim wasn't stupid. It just didn't work out, you know,
Speaker 2: to give a guy a call.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would. I think that the
Speaker 1: stupid part was signing for such a long term contract,
Speaker 1: given his injury history in the past. That was probably
Speaker 1: the overpay. They probably got him on for another year
Speaker 1: that they had to. But I mean tough.
Speaker 2: You can't other in the duration of the contract. You
Speaker 2: can't say the Angels it was a stupid signing. At
Speaker 2: the time they made that signing, it was very good signing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and people were excited about rendoing and you know on
Speaker 2: the West Coast, and hey, they had every reason to
Speaker 2: be based on what he had done and accomplished up
Speaker 2: to that point in time. And you talk about even
Speaker 2: the health. Okay, you look at his bats from twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen on five sixty seven, five oh eight, five twenty nine,
Speaker 2: five forty five. Yeah, he only had since coming into
Speaker 2: the league. He only had two seasons under under five
Speaker 2: hundred bats and one was his rookie campaign. So yeah,
Speaker 2: even even the health was.
Speaker 1: The health, the health, it was amazing. He was hurt
Speaker 1: all the time in the minor leagues and then he
Speaker 1: had a string of health before it all fell apart
Speaker 1: on him. So I mean, I I totally. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's just his body, as I said to
Speaker 1: the Verve, Yet his body just gave out and it
Speaker 1: just happened. Somebody, Let's take a break, five minute segment.
Speaker 1: People got their money's worth, so let's come back out.
Speaker 1: I'm an FC draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Because I said, Timmy, and we're doing our NFC draft. Oh,
Speaker 1: it looks like Chandler Simpson just got taken in the
Speaker 1: fifteenth round. He sat on the board for a long time, so.
Speaker 2: Fifteenth Yeah, that's that's a long time for a speed guy. Eh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually thinking about taking him in the
Speaker 1: fifteenth round. He was one of the guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not big on him, but I just thought that
Speaker 1: was starting to get to be about the right place
Speaker 1: for him. So Timmy, as we know, let me just
Speaker 1: get the total first round show. Hey, Tani, Aaron, Judge,
Speaker 1: Juan Soto, Bobby with Junior Jose Ramirez, Corbyn, Kerra was
Speaker 1: the guy that I wanted. He went six. I took
Speaker 1: La de la Cruz at seven, Trek Schooble at eight,
Speaker 1: Ronald Acunya Junior at nine, Paul Sken's, Garrett Crochet Rodriguez
Speaker 1: at twelve, Fernando Tatist junior thirteen, Christopher Sanchez pops up
Speaker 1: to the first round, and Francisco linn door. So you
Speaker 1: have say, four pictures in the first round and then
Speaker 1: coming back first pick in the second round. Yeah, i'mamoto
Speaker 1: second pick in the second round, Mason Miller. So the
Speaker 1: first closer off the board. So you had four starters
Speaker 1: in the first sixteen.
Speaker 2: Picks, yeah, and the and the closer that throws at
Speaker 2: one hundred and five miles an hour. That's half a
Speaker 2: pitch away from breaking. Yeah. I've been started following some
Speaker 2: of the NFBC stuff through Twitter, okay, and man, oh man,
Speaker 2: I get that it's a draft and hold, but some
Speaker 2: of the closes, you know, the bullpen decisions I've seen starting. Hey,
Speaker 2: I know it's a different game. There's no trading yet,
Speaker 2: yeah yet, But man, I'm having trouble with some of
Speaker 2: the things I'm seeing, Like Mason Miller.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have trouble with my You're gonna have trouble
Speaker 1: with my team, tim because I went I went laed
Speaker 1: La Cruz one, and I got burned last year by
Speaker 1: not having any closers, and I went, I went Edwin
Speaker 1: Diaz in the second round.
Speaker 2: Timmy, no problem, No problems with me. Yeah, none whatsoever.
Speaker 2: He's one of the few closers that I believe is
Speaker 2: locked in. Okay, barring something incredibly unfortunate. Uh yeah, in
Speaker 2: the league you're playing, and you have known. If you
Speaker 2: don't take him there, you're not getting him with your
Speaker 2: third pick.
Speaker 1: My logic was the following, Timmy, if everybody's gonna take
Speaker 1: a closer early, yeah, what's the difference if you decide
Speaker 1: not to take a closer, Yeah, you get a better hitter.
Speaker 1: But everything just kind of drops down a level. So
Speaker 1: instead of instead of uh kateel Marte going in the
Speaker 1: second round, he just drops down to the third recause
Speaker 1: people are taking people are taking those guys earlier, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what you just deal with it. If everybody's
Speaker 1: doing it, which they are, except for one or two players,
Speaker 1: one or two managers, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all you're doing, like you said, you're just backing
Speaker 2: everything up. The problem, the problem that occurs is when
Speaker 2: you're doing drafts outside of the n FBC and n FBC,
Speaker 2: you're playing by two sets of criteria.
Speaker 1: That is correct.
Speaker 2: And hey, you're you're not gonna fight City Hall. If
Speaker 2: you want a closer, you either get Diaz then or
Speaker 2: you end up with a whole lot of Robert Stevenson's Okay,
Speaker 2: you end up with Jason and I know, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've taken that under the equation. Good for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're you're getting your five staves at the
Speaker 1: end of the season to keep you out a last
Speaker 1: place from Victor Voddik. That's exactly what you get.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, exactly. And you ain't gonna win that way,
Speaker 2: not that you're not gonna do. You have to play
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I went Elie de la Cruz one. I
Speaker 1: felt really good about that. Again, I would have liked
Speaker 1: to have Corbyn Kaira went Edwin dis Number two. I
Speaker 1: went Wyatt Langford, who I'm all in on this year,
Speaker 1: was all in last year. Number three. I had speed
Speaker 1: and power with Dead La Cruz. I had power, some
Speaker 1: good speed with Whyitet. Langford went big power. Next with
Speaker 1: Matt Olsen, I thought that was good value.
Speaker 2: In the fourth round, that's awesome value. Yeah, I like
Speaker 2: what you're doing so far.
Speaker 1: And then I felt like I needed a picture and
Speaker 1: fine off the board and Freddy Peralta was still there.
Speaker 1: I went Freddy Peralta.
Speaker 2: Good pick in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: Then I went back and said, I want more strikeouts.
Speaker 1: I love the setup with Dylan Cease going to Toronto.
Speaker 1: I took Dylan Seas in the sixth round.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then I came back in the seventh round with Randy
Speaker 1: A Rose Arena, got more.
Speaker 2: Speed and power power funny.
Speaker 1: Then I came back with my second closer, don't laugh,
Speaker 1: Dennis Santana. So I went with a high end closer
Speaker 1: and then a mid level closer that might live basically August.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that basically says the state of saves. Okay,
Speaker 2: when you're in what round seven yep, and you're looking
Speaker 2: at round eight yep. Yeah, there's nothing left?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was nothing left? Yeah, yeah, your guy could
Speaker 1: I could have taken your Saint Louis guy, and it
Speaker 1: was just yeah, I felt like I'd rather have done
Speaker 1: as Santana in that case. Then I came back in
Speaker 1: round nine with Jackson Holiday like you did. I like
Speaker 1: that pick, and my next pick was an homage to
Speaker 1: Bob King High Jacob Marcy number ten.
Speaker 2: There we go, You're on this Christmas guardless, done like that.
Speaker 1: Then came back with my picture that I will not
Speaker 1: leave drafts without Shane Bose Maul and a Boz going
Speaker 1: to the Oriols. And then Timmy, I did it.
Speaker 2: You didn't.
Speaker 1: Tattas suiy Amaya is on Rich Wilson's team.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to worry about you. You didn't have
Speaker 2: to worry about the Christmas cardless but and you didn't
Speaker 2: have to worry about your ranking because I only send
Speaker 2: out like three. Okay, So I like it. Rich. I
Speaker 2: am impressed. You just won the league. It's over.
Speaker 1: I think I'm just like looking at it. And I
Speaker 1: was thinking about Garrit Cole in that spot and he's
Speaker 1: coming back in May June. I was thinking about Gavin Williams.
Speaker 1: You know, the data doesn't look great on Gavin Williams.
Speaker 1: I was looking at Carlos Rodon, who's not going to
Speaker 1: be back up till May or June. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know that he's going to start the season
Speaker 1: on the injured Reservelest, even though he started to So
Speaker 1: those were the guys Mackenzie Gore and I said, if
Speaker 1: you know am I, and again I went through that's
Speaker 1: what I called my friends at the Boris Company. They said,
Speaker 1: what's going on with this guy?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: And that's what they said. You know, we we kind
Speaker 1: of think their issues, but we think we can fix
Speaker 1: and we think he's going to fix them. And that
Speaker 1: gave me the extra push. I said, well, what the heck,
Speaker 1: let's let's give it a shot. It's supposed to be fun,
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't work, I figured, I get to
Speaker 1: blame you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was just good to say.
Speaker 1: Went all the way because if it's bad and my
Speaker 1: team stinks, I can blame you and I'll have fun
Speaker 1: with it all season long. And if it's great, I
Speaker 1: can say, oh, well, you know I I was the
Speaker 1: one that made the decision.
Speaker 2: Of course, got lucky, okay, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then my next I got another picture. I went
Speaker 1: heavy picture, and I know I got a guy you
Speaker 1: do not like. I don't care, Ranger Swarrez. So I've
Speaker 1: got I've got Freddy Peralta, Dylan Cee Shane boz Amaya
Speaker 1: and Ranger Suarez is my one through five. I love
Speaker 1: Rangel Swarez is my fifth picture. Now I don't know
Speaker 1: Rangel Swarz. There is a little concern he is a
Speaker 1: bar a client that you know that he won't get
Speaker 1: a job. There is that concern maybe that because he
Speaker 1: was dropping, he should have gone earlier than he did.
Speaker 1: And I still don't have a catcher. I waited too
Speaker 1: long to get a catcher. That was a little bit
Speaker 1: of I just didn't like the catchers at the spots
Speaker 1: where I could get other players. And I finally was
Speaker 1: my first catcher. And I don't feel good about this
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have a job yet. But it is
Speaker 1: j t Romulto. I think the wires and it looks
Speaker 1: like the Phillies are trying to work out a deal
Speaker 1: with him. So I hope that the reporters are right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's the eventuality. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got I got three outfielders, I got five starters.
Speaker 1: I've got two closers. I do not have a second base.
Speaker 1: I have a second I do not have a third baseman.
Speaker 1: And I've got now I've got one catcher, so I'm
Speaker 1: I might go with I might go with a third
Speaker 1: basement soon and get guy we were talking about Caballero,
Speaker 1: and uh, just get him for util a utility type
Speaker 1: of guy for downstream and might have a young young
Speaker 1: some younger players who have some upside as well.
Speaker 2: Well, you put him in play with Ellie and Langford
Speaker 2: and that should put you in an incredibly good spot
Speaker 2: in the stolen based category.
Speaker 1: Remember I got I got Speedster.
Speaker 2: You got Rosina too, Yeah, I got.
Speaker 1: Jacob Marcy, so I got plenty of speed. I affect.
Speaker 1: You probably need a little bit of power, but that's
Speaker 1: that might be you know the guy in New York
Speaker 1: that I might go for some power. The thing if
Speaker 1: if when I when I do my spreadsheet.
Speaker 2: Which Oka Oka Oka Oka the guy that when I
Speaker 2: do my analysis.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the few times I can
Speaker 1: remember that Actually, like my team, I haven't made any
Speaker 1: tremendous mistakes in the draft on it. It might not work,
Speaker 1: but I haven't made like last year. I made a
Speaker 1: mistake on the on the closer, and it was it
Speaker 1: was a miss. It was a mistake and I knew it,
Speaker 1: and I spent the rest of the draft kind of
Speaker 1: trying to recover from it. I didn't make that same mistake,
Speaker 1: and I haven't. Yeah, I don't have a third basement,
Speaker 1: but I'll get one. I'll figure that out out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll figure it out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and I feel good about my pitching as opposed
Speaker 1: to word, oh my gosh, I gotta get pitching. So
Speaker 1: I feel really good about it, which probably means I'm
Speaker 1: going to come in last place. But I'm having fun.
Speaker 1: The draft is a little slow. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that draft really really slow. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: fun to kind of get in there and start picking people.
Speaker 1: It's very exhilarating to hit that draft button.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, excuse me. When you get through
Speaker 2: to round ten, twelve and you've got a good, solid
Speaker 2: mix and you're pitching, you got your closer, you've got
Speaker 2: some power, you got lots of speed, you should feel
Speaker 2: happy about that. Yeah. Yeah, you haven't put yourself into
Speaker 2: a situation where you're behind the eight ball and you're
Speaker 2: searching for something that's not there. And in the NFBC formats,
Speaker 2: if you get to round ten and you don't have
Speaker 2: a closer, you're gonna be overpaying for setup guys hoping
Speaker 2: to strike gold. Okay, and that's in your format.
Speaker 1: Times you do, Yeah, sometimes you do. And you can
Speaker 1: win the league by striking gold late with a closer
Speaker 1: in thenc draft and hold. But it's it's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the way to build a team. No,
Speaker 2: you'll lose more often than you ever have a chance
Speaker 2: to win playing that sort of a game, and you
Speaker 2: don't want that. You want to be you want to
Speaker 2: be part of the game and in the game, and
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you get to the end of April
Speaker 2: and you don't have any saves and you don't have
Speaker 2: any any any prospects for saves, Well, good luck. It's
Speaker 2: a long year.
Speaker 1: Yep. So that that's where I'm at. So fifteenth round
Speaker 1: and I like it too. I'm pretty happy with it. Well,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be a good three weeks to
Speaker 1: get this done because we're we're on day seven right now,
Speaker 1: and so we're doing two picks a day. So it's
Speaker 1: again a little Yeah, it's a little on the slow side.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, definitely being the consummate speed Ward that I am, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get no complaintable what you've done there at all.
Speaker 1: And you know, again, I think the the easiest thing
Speaker 1: to find later on is low batting average and power,
Speaker 1: and so I'm pretty confident that I'm going to be
Speaker 1: able to find that in the draft, and then it's
Speaker 1: going to get to my sweet spot later on, and
Speaker 1: that's drafting prospects.
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly after round thirty, you can start filling
Speaker 2: it in with guys that you like for the second half.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, even guys I like for the
Speaker 1: first half. Tommy, let's take a quick break, come back,
Speaker 1: and let's talk second base, shall we?
Speaker 2: Sure that sounds like fun.
Speaker 1: Tim has been has ranked catchers, he has ranked first base.
Speaker 1: If everybody wants to see and detail all of those rankings,
Speaker 1: you can see that out at the Patreon site. Yes,
Speaker 1: we put them out on prospect three sixty one. They're
Speaker 1: out there now. Actually the second base isn't out there yet,
Speaker 1: but you get a lot more detail on the Patreon sights.
Speaker 1: So I encourage everybody to head over there and join
Speaker 1: us out there. It's five bucks a month or fifty
Speaker 1: four dollars for the year, Timmy, after spending hours upon
Speaker 1: hours ranking and again, Tim is crazy, right, he actually
Speaker 1: goes and starts from scratch, writes every name, types every
Speaker 1: name down, doesn't use the last year, doesn't copy and
Speaker 1: paste from last year. At least that's what he's told me.
Speaker 1: Because I even said, Timmy, I can give you every
Speaker 1: position filled in with the NFBC ranking so that you
Speaker 1: could just start to move stuff around. Him said, nope,
Speaker 1: I want to do it from scratch, which I totally respect.
Speaker 1: I would not do it that way because I'm lazy.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of work. I go team by team.
Speaker 2: I use roster resources, my source document, and I go
Speaker 2: team by team looking at the players they have slotted in,
Speaker 2: looking at the players on their Basically, I scan the
Speaker 2: top part that shows the free agents. I go through
Speaker 2: the actual recommended roster that they've put together their bench slots,
Speaker 2: and then I go to their prospects by each position.
Speaker 2: And that's how I go team by team by all
Speaker 2: thirty teams, put them all out there. I shuffle a
Speaker 2: deck three or four times as I'm going along, moving
Speaker 2: players up and down and all over the place. And
Speaker 2: that's how I do it for every category. And I
Speaker 2: just find the information that I get going into it
Speaker 2: in that much detail helps me out a lot a lot.
Speaker 2: When it comes time for the real drafts.
Speaker 1: Richard, and you typed everything incorrectly because nobody came up
Speaker 1: as missing. The only person came up was missing was
Speaker 1: Sung Mon Song and that's because he, I think, is
Speaker 1: only third base eligible at the NFBC, and that's why
Speaker 1: he did not come up. So maybe, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know why he didn't come up, because it should have.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I was sort of torn as
Speaker 2: to what to do there because he's going to play
Speaker 2: second base, okay from what I can gather. So if
Speaker 2: I put him in at third base, and I have
Speaker 2: to write a narrative, okay that explains that he's not
Speaker 2: going to be playing at third base, but he might
Speaker 2: have third base eligibility, So I just put him in
Speaker 2: a second base that looks like that's where his home
Speaker 2: is going to be. And whether he's at second or third,
Speaker 2: take a look at your league, at your league settings,
Speaker 2: and go from there. But yeah, you know he is.
Speaker 2: He's going to be playing at second base in San Diego.
Speaker 1: So you spent hours working through this. Great job, by
Speaker 1: the way, great job, all of it. At second base
Speaker 1: in particular. I really liked how you went and approached
Speaker 1: it and kind of ranked the players. But you've been
Speaker 1: saying that it's it's a it's a disaster. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: that's my word, but that's the impression I got. A
Speaker 1: second base is not deep. After now going and doing
Speaker 1: the detail, is that your same position?
Speaker 2: It's not deep. But as I said in my introductory narrative, yeah,
Speaker 2: you get a couple of elite players at the top.
Speaker 2: You've got some upside with youth okay, and Holiday and
Speaker 2: Kishel okay. But what what second base does have to offer?
Speaker 2: His speed okay from Bryce terrag Nico Horner, Xavier at Edwards,
Speaker 2: Bryce and Caballero. I even put hes On Kim in
Speaker 2: there because we need to have another zero point zero
Speaker 2: on this show. They're all capable of giving you good
Speaker 2: and basement. So my position on second base is take
Speaker 2: what that position has to offer, which is speed, and
Speaker 2: build around it. Okay, take take what the position gives you.
Speaker 2: Don't try and force the issue and just move forward.
Speaker 2: So yeah, although it's not deep in talent, it does
Speaker 2: have something to offer. It's just how you go about
Speaker 2: working that. In year overall team build there are.
Speaker 1: Some power guys, obviously, co tell Martine at number two.
Speaker 1: There's power, Brandon Lowe, You've got a nine power there
Speaker 1: and potentially even more power for where he's going.
Speaker 2: Uh and.
Speaker 1: Who else? Oh well, I mean Jackson Holiday. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and jose L two base still going to hit some
Speaker 1: home runs for you. So there there is some power there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is. But the way I'm approaching it is,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna yeah, I'm not going to take jose
Speaker 2: L two v early to have a second baseman. I'm
Speaker 2: going to find what I believe is a better power bad.
Speaker 2: I know it's sep religious to even say that when
Speaker 2: talking about Josel two, But I'll look for my power
Speaker 2: elsewhere and just take the stolen bases and plug it
Speaker 2: in and go from there.
Speaker 1: So interesting how I approached second base when I did
Speaker 1: my draft target. So I use I tweaked the algorithm
Speaker 1: of by position depending on if it's a power position
Speaker 1: like first base, I will make I will make I
Speaker 1: will goose up the power. So you've got to really
Speaker 1: show a lot of power to rank high and second
Speaker 1: base since it's a little light outdo but it's the
Speaker 1: same kind of waiting across that and second base was
Speaker 1: very poor because of the lack of power. And I
Speaker 1: use combination of exit velocity and hard hit exit velocity
Speaker 1: and launch angles to try to look at if a
Speaker 1: guy has a chance to hit fifteen plus home runs
Speaker 1: or twenty plus some runs. And that's how I do it.
Speaker 1: So that's why. And speed is this a single? It's
Speaker 1: just it's just like powers, just a singles. You know,
Speaker 1: what's your speed? And look, yeah, cross reference that with
Speaker 1: how good you steal bases and you get a score
Speaker 1: for that. But that's why second base came out for me,
Speaker 1: very very poor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it would because you're limiting in your power bats, right,
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, And you're counting stolen bases as one category.
Speaker 2: Did you think of tying like runs scored into the
Speaker 2: stolen bases titlement to where they were hitting in the
Speaker 2: batting order.
Speaker 1: I did not do that level of dude. First of all,
Speaker 1: speed and and there's there's decent correlation, but not great
Speaker 1: correlation between speed and run scored. It's actually run scored
Speaker 1: on base skills where you're hitting in where you're hitting
Speaker 1: in a lineup. And I did not drag in where
Speaker 1: they're hitting in a lineup. Okay, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: That might be something would be fun for next year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if fangraphs does that. And Timmy, I'm
Speaker 1: not like you. I'm not typing in guys' names. If
Speaker 1: I can't import it and adjust it, it ain't happening.
Speaker 2: There's more to life than control fee and control V
Speaker 2: damn it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean, so I pay down for Fangraphs,
Speaker 1: which is fifty dollars a year. It's it's fantastic. You
Speaker 1: get all kinds of added downloading facilities. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if if ross if you know, if the the
Speaker 1: roster resource part of it is downloadable. I didn't even
Speaker 1: check into that, but but I'll think about that, Timmy.
Speaker 1: Let's get to your rankings, my friend. Okay, first four
Speaker 1: you go, Chalk, Chas, Chisholm, Katel, Marte, Bryce Terring, Nico Horner.
Speaker 1: You're exactly the same as the NFBC. Anything to talk
Speaker 1: to highlight on those four players?
Speaker 2: Ah well, hey, I think Chasm and Marte. Chisholm and
Speaker 2: Marte are definitely the two elite players that you're looking at.
Speaker 2: But Bryce Terrang.
Speaker 1: Showed more power last season, and the data supports.
Speaker 2: That he showed more power stolen bases. We're down a
Speaker 2: little bit. I think we're going to see potentially a
Speaker 2: twenty twenty season of the terrain. Nico Horner sort of
Speaker 2: concerns me a little bit, and I almost I almost
Speaker 2: moved Ja Jackson Holiday up a spot in that there
Speaker 2: is a chance that the Cubs move on from Nico Horner,
Speaker 2: and should that occur, where he ends up and where
Speaker 2: he ends up in that team's batting order could influence,
Speaker 2: of course, run scored potentially. Okay, so I decided to
Speaker 2: leave it as number four ahead a holiday. But that's
Speaker 2: the only thing that really concerns me is there's possibility
Speaker 2: that Horner could be moved and how that comes into
Speaker 2: affecting his value. I really don't know. It will depend
Speaker 2: on the team the bat or, and I would have
Speaker 2: to assume it's going to be to a very good
Speaker 2: team if he is moved.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, again, believe it or not, everyone teams
Speaker 1: don't care about stolen bases. Fantasy managers care about stolen bases.
Speaker 2: But teams do not.
Speaker 1: And when you've got a guy that's hard, hit rates
Speaker 1: and exit velocities are in the bottom ten percent, and
Speaker 1: you know that that's driving your expected batting average. You
Speaker 1: begin to worry if you're a team that hey, this
Speaker 1: batting average is eventually going to drop, which is going
Speaker 1: to drop his own base percentage. And he's not a
Speaker 1: big walker. His walk rate is below twenty five percent
Speaker 1: in the league. So you're hoping that he keeps up
Speaker 1: that big babbit, that he's had, the good, solid babbit,
Speaker 1: and he's using his ability to get, you know, to
Speaker 1: make that happen. Is going to prop up everything. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think from a baseball standpoint, teams will
Speaker 1: start to be concerned. And I would I agree with Tim.
Speaker 1: That's a long wind. It ran an answer to say,
Speaker 1: I believe Tim is right that the Cubs could decide
Speaker 1: to move on and say, hey, this guy's more of
Speaker 1: a utility guy, more of a Jose Cavalerio type of flayer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's but other than that, those are the only
Speaker 2: concerns I we Jazz Chishm of course has to stay healthy,
Speaker 2: as is Marte. But yeah, we're not betting on that.
Speaker 2: We're looking at at pure skills. Unless somebody has never
Speaker 2: achieved any ad bets or the duration of his career. No,
Speaker 2: we don't have issues like that. In the top four
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: I will say our Patreon members, I wrote a link
Speaker 1: the analysis of Jazz Chishm. I'll just tell everyone just
Speaker 1: be careful with gass Chism. The data does not support
Speaker 1: the power and speed that he showed last season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one of only seven players who went
Speaker 2: thirty thirty. I understand that's big numbers, but I understand.
Speaker 1: But if you take a look at the if you
Speaker 1: didn't know what he how many home runs, and how
Speaker 1: many stolen bases he had, and were descended through an
Speaker 1: analysis engine, it would come up with something a lot
Speaker 1: less than that because the data just does not support that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Your guy, my guy, Tammy, because I know you drafted
Speaker 1: him in your first draft, is Jackson Holiday. I continue
Speaker 1: to be all in on him. It looks like you
Speaker 1: are because he is three better than the NFBC.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, I he went seventeen seventeen last year. He's
Speaker 2: going twenty twenty this year. I think.
Speaker 1: Remind me how old he is.
Speaker 2: Fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a very young.
Speaker 2: He's very young with upside. If I had to look
Speaker 2: potentially heading into next year, I could see him being
Speaker 2: as high as top three. I'm that bullish on Jackson
Speaker 2: Holiday moving forward, I can't. I can't rank him at
Speaker 2: number three this year, but I think the potential is
Speaker 2: there that he could and hey, you know it's gestism.
Speaker 2: At some point, IMI might not qualify, right, So Jackson
Speaker 2: always got a bright future.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Jackson Holiday just separated celebrate celebrating a
Speaker 1: birthday on December fourth, Timmy, he turned twenty two years old.
Speaker 1: That is a two followed by a two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't seen his best season, not even close.
Speaker 1: Nope. And he hits the ball really hard. It's a
Speaker 1: ballharder any think they're they're yeah anyway, Okay, rounding out
Speaker 1: that top ten, we got Jose Altuve, the one and only,
Speaker 1: Jose al Tvy, Luke Keishall Ozzi, Alby's, Brandon Lowe, and
Speaker 1: Bryson Stott. I do not like that second half of
Speaker 1: the top ten Sans Luke, Keisha Temmy, Jose al Tuv
Speaker 1: is old Ozzi, Alby's is not the same guy. Brandon
Speaker 1: Low's got power, nothing else, and Bryce Stott's got speed
Speaker 1: and no power.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now Stott's good for ten home runs. I think
Speaker 2: he's okay, like he's boyd, but yeah, I get what
Speaker 2: you're saying, yeah, the guy, the guy that I like
Speaker 2: in that second group, uh is obviously the same same
Speaker 2: one that most other people are like. And then that's Keisho.
Speaker 2: And it's hard not to like with that eighty eighty
Speaker 2: five great speed.
Speaker 1: And I changed that on. I changed there is no
Speaker 1: such thing as eighty five great speed.
Speaker 2: I pulled that somewhere.
Speaker 1: I changed that to a good speed or great speed
Speaker 1: or something like that. When it got published, I forgot
Speaker 1: to tell you.
Speaker 2: That that's fine. You know he can run, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got he's got. Yeah. There could be forty forty
Speaker 2: stolen bases there, goodn't there?
Speaker 1: Keisha? I think so. I think he can hit with speed,
Speaker 1: a little bit of pop. I like Keisha a lot
Speaker 1: holds on two of me. He's a little scary. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's getting old. I don't know how he's hitting in
Speaker 1: the home runs. Demmy, the data says the power is gone,
Speaker 1: but he's still doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put in my narrative like a fine wine.
Speaker 2: He's aging gracefully, and I think there's I think he's
Speaker 2: got another season at twenty five home run seventy RBIs
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen stolen bases, I think he can. He
Speaker 2: can accomplish that this year, and that puts him solidly
Speaker 2: in that group. Now it's hey, you've got a right
Speaker 2: to be concerned because he's thirty six years old. Not
Speaker 2: too many second basemen after the age of thirty five
Speaker 2: produce at a solid level. So yeah, I think there's
Speaker 2: reason to be concerned. My targets, other than Holiday and Kisho,
Speaker 2: for the most part, they're not in that. They're not
Speaker 2: in that top ten.
Speaker 1: Look, there's been no bigger supporter of Jose al two
Speaker 1: I think than me, right, And I'm not touching jose Olt.
Speaker 1: I didn't touch him last season. I was wrong. I'm
Speaker 1: not touching him this season. I just the setup is terrible, Tommy,
Speaker 1: It's just terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: And Ozzie Alvi's I warned everybody. I warned everybody in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four that the data was not supporting what
Speaker 1: this guy was doing, and he has just dropped off
Speaker 1: a cliff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think one of the problems when you
Speaker 2: take a look at Alby's okay, everybody looks to Ozsi
Speaker 2: Alby's okay and sees twenty twenty three, I believe it
Speaker 2: is Yeah, that's the magic number twenty twenty three, and
Speaker 2: they see thirty three home runs, one hundred and nine RBIs,
Speaker 2: thirteen stolen bases, ninety six runs scored. That's not the
Speaker 2: Ozzy Alby's that we are looking at today. We're looking
Speaker 2: at a player that is going to hit I believe
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty home runs, drive in seventy maybe steal
Speaker 2: ten twelve bases with a two forty two fifty average.
Speaker 2: Our mindset has to adjust from the fact that I
Speaker 2: don't think Ozzy Alby's is the same player he was
Speaker 2: two years ago. I think he's still a good player,
Speaker 2: but it's all about where you said the bar.
Speaker 1: His average exivelocity is eighty seven point five miles an hour.
Speaker 1: He's doing it all through launch. Eventually the launch doesn't
Speaker 1: work because then you become warning track home run power
Speaker 1: and it's it's he's just not aging well at all,
Speaker 1: and it's just and the speed to me, he's just gone.
Speaker 1: I mean it's the forty fourth percentile.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're you're looking at Ozzie Albi's being the
Speaker 2: I'm based on my ranks the eight second basement going
Speaker 2: off the board, but he's going with an ADP of
Speaker 2: one sixty six, okay, which puts you in the twelfth round.
Speaker 2: I don't have any problems with Ozzie Albi's in the
Speaker 2: twelfth to fifteenth round.
Speaker 1: He's a fifteenth, He's a fifteenth to fifteen player and
Speaker 1: my home oopeny with no upside though yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: agree totally.
Speaker 2: It's all about how much you pay for him and
Speaker 2: when you decide to when you decide to go all in.
Speaker 1: Ye agreed to me to take a break and do
Speaker 1: the next ten shall we yees?
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: Tippy for my buddy sat Don Ruffaela has him at
Speaker 1: eleven and if you see he's going at six. Otto Lopez,
Speaker 1: Xavier Edwards, labor tour is boring old labor tours, Jose Caballero,
Speaker 1: Luis Garcia Junior, Jorge Polanco, Matt McClain, number nineteen, Marcus Simeon, Wow,
Speaker 1: have the mighty have fallen? And then Brent Batty and
Speaker 1: it coming to number twenty one times all in on
Speaker 1: the hey Sung Kim eighteen slots higher than the.
Speaker 2: So there's a zero white zero the wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, let's talk about him now, Timmy, I mean, where's
Speaker 1: all the love coming? For for Haysung, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the Dodgers kid.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Dodgers kid. When you take a look at
Speaker 2: what he did last year in his first year over
Speaker 2: rebounced back and or being the Dodgers in Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: finished the year in LA. He had eight home runs,
Speaker 2: stole twenty seven at bases in three hundred and ten
Speaker 2: at bats combined. The love is coming from the fact
Speaker 2: that I think after a first I'll call it adjustment
Speaker 2: Yim year, much the same as we saw with Hassan
Speaker 2: Kim in San Diego. I think we can look at
Speaker 2: five to ten home runs and I think we can
Speaker 2: look at thirty plus stolen bases in a full season
Speaker 2: of ball, and it looks like he has the second
Speaker 2: base job in LA. It's his to lose, and I
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to so I think there's value
Speaker 2: sitting there, and if you're leaving him till thirty nine,
Speaker 2: he'll be on all of my teams. It's as simple
Speaker 2: as that. I think it's a combination of opportunity and skills,
Speaker 2: and hey, he's going to hit the number nine slot.
Speaker 2: Is that a bad thing when you've got hitting immediately
Speaker 2: after you o Tawny and Betts and Freeman and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: he could score a significant number of runs hitting out
Speaker 2: of the ninth spot with the bats following them. I think, so, I, hey,
Speaker 2: I do I want Brendan Donovan before taking a chance?
Speaker 2: No on Kim? No do I want cronin North do it?
Speaker 2: You know second base is not deep rich if once
Speaker 2: you get into the twenty to thirty five, into that grouping,
Speaker 2: if I'm looking at second basement in the I'm going
Speaker 2: to take a chance on upside every day of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't score well on my analysis, Timmy, the
Speaker 1: average ex of velocity was eighty six miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just a small sample size that get
Speaker 1: it one hundred and sixty one at bats. He has fast,
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. Struck out too much, never walk,
Speaker 1: So it was hard for me to rank him high.
Speaker 1: But I do respect the fact that Hasan Kim if
Speaker 1: he follows a similar path there which Haw's Kim turned
Speaker 1: out to be really good baseball player. And if Hassan
Speaker 1: Kim can you know, kind of get you know, start
Speaker 1: to grow in a little bit to his man's strength
Speaker 1: and get full time at bats, maybe he can perform
Speaker 1: a lot better, So I will definitely support you on that.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't call you crazy.
Speaker 2: In other words, Okay, yeah, I think it's I think
Speaker 2: I formed a logical argument. Whether it comes to fruition
Speaker 2: or not, we'll see.
Speaker 1: But when I start, I like the argument. I like
Speaker 1: the setup based on how you have presented it. I'm
Speaker 1: always looking for setups, right, I'm looking for upside of guys.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for Azzi Albi's if I if I
Speaker 1: get stuck with Abi Albi's, then okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for some guys that have really good setups,
Speaker 1: and you painted a good one for Hassan Kim.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, now let's talk about Satan Rafaela. What's up, McLeod.
Speaker 2: How can you rank a guy that walked like fourteen
Speaker 2: times a year before? Okay? How can you rank him
Speaker 2: as number six? If I can't okay, I still think
Speaker 2: there's questions about the had tool, and I want to
Speaker 2: see another year before I start moving him up into
Speaker 2: the top five six. So basically, that's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Sixteen home runs in twenty solem bases last year almost
Speaker 1: did almost at twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did, and hey, the walk rate's improved. I
Speaker 2: want to see a bit more before I start moving
Speaker 2: him up into that higher echelon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I he did not make my He did not
Speaker 1: make one of my targets, But I do, like Saydan Raffaela,
Speaker 1: because I I mean, when I did the breakdown of
Speaker 1: Pete Crow Armstrong and people can think I'm crazy, but
Speaker 1: the data supports this. Pe kro Armstrong has a lot
Speaker 1: more leverage than Saydan Rafaela. Otherwise they are exactly the
Speaker 1: same player statistic. So yeah, I just if Peaker Armstrong
Speaker 1: is going in the second and third round. Yeah, either
Speaker 1: one of them's too high or one of them's too low.
Speaker 1: I'll let people figure that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: All right. Uh, Labor Torres, m h. If you get
Speaker 1: stuck at second basis, Labor Torre is a horrible guy
Speaker 1: to have as your second basement.
Speaker 2: Not at all. Yeah, you're looking at a guy with
Speaker 2: ADB at two forty five. I've moved him up a
Speaker 2: little bit because if you take a little what he's
Speaker 2: done over the past four seasons, he's got one, two
Speaker 2: fifty six, two fifty two years of two fifty seven
Speaker 2: batting average, So I think you can safely say between
Speaker 2: two fifty and two sixty's a good spot for him.
Speaker 2: He's had one year that was down a bit in
Speaker 2: the power at fifteen home runs, but if you're the
Speaker 2: range is fifteen to twenty four. Over the past four years,
Speaker 2: the RBI total has been between sixty three and seventy six.
Speaker 2: I think he's perfectly safe and verging on being boring.
Speaker 2: The only thing he doesn't bring to the table is speed.
Speaker 2: But you're looking at pick two forty five. Okay, so
Speaker 2: you're looking what lateeen rounds? Yeah, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: he can go wrong with labor tours and round you're
Speaker 2: looking at ninety five six and round sixteen, seventeen eighteen. No,
Speaker 2: I think it's a fine pick.
Speaker 1: You don't like Matt McClain. You're talking to strike out
Speaker 1: strikeout rates are soaring for sure. I mean in two
Speaker 1: thou twenty three he had twenty eight point five ers
Speaker 1: a striker rate, was missed all of twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: and struck out twenty nine percent of the time last year.
Speaker 1: That obviously is not good expect at batting nevers of
Speaker 1: two thirteen. That is not good. He is fast, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of power yet, but he did
Speaker 1: go fifteen to eighteen last season, you know, and played
Speaker 1: full time. So what can I expect from him this year?
Speaker 2: I will say twelve to fifteen home runs, fifty to
Speaker 2: sixty maybe are weis. I'll go with twenty stolen bases
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty and a batting average somewhere between one
Speaker 2: ninety and two ten.
Speaker 1: You're just down on them.
Speaker 2: Well, when you strike over one hundred and sixty seven times, okay,
Speaker 2: in five hundred and ten a bat that's a big number.
Speaker 2: And I don't see how he's going to support a
Speaker 2: half decent batting average. So for me, he's the type
Speaker 2: of player that I probably won't pick. I could end
Speaker 2: up with a guy that hits two ten, two fifteen
Speaker 2: in my middle endfield, but I'm not going to draft
Speaker 2: a guy knowing that he's going to do that, if
Speaker 2: that makes any sense. And I'm convinced right now that
Speaker 2: Matt McLean is not He's not going to generate a
Speaker 2: batting average, so I'm not going to blow off a
Speaker 2: category to get the home run and speed potential. Out
Speaker 2: of them, I'll look elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Marcus Simeon. I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: say Marcus Simon is not the same guy he was
Speaker 1: a few years ago. I mean, just as't the ball
Speaker 1: as hard as he used to. He still is pretty
Speaker 1: fast eighty one percent rating under sprint speed, and he
Speaker 1: still hits fairly well if you get and again he's
Speaker 1: thirty five. So who's as old as the hills?
Speaker 2: Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Statistically he looks like I mean, at as a middle infielder,
Speaker 1: can you do worse than Marcus Simeon?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah you can. You can end up
Speaker 2: you can, you can end up with a lot worse
Speaker 2: than Marcus Simeon. But I think that speaks to the
Speaker 2: caliber of the player pool at the second base more
Speaker 2: so than the skills of sim And you know, you're
Speaker 2: looking at a guy who is going to probably yeah
Speaker 2: fifty into twenty home runs, seventy RBIs, five to ten
Speaker 2: stolen bases and two thirty two forty batting average. You
Speaker 2: know is OBP the past two years has been three eight,
Speaker 2: three oh five. His OPS was down to six sixty
Speaker 2: nine from six to ninety nine from eight twenty six.
Speaker 2: The past couple of years, he'll be thirty six. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can, you can do worse. It's just know your
Speaker 2: parameters outs that and yeah, the reality is he's at
Speaker 2: the decline. It's commenced. And I don't see a bounce
Speaker 2: back from Marcus. I mean, moving to the Mets, they're
Speaker 2: moving anywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't see a bounce. But I guess maybe I
Speaker 1: said it poorly. I mean, if you get caught out
Speaker 1: on middle infield, I mean, he is what he is.
Speaker 1: There's speed's still there, there's a little bit of power
Speaker 1: he should hit. I'm surprised how bad his batting average was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Mets is going to be
Speaker 1: better or worse for him. I mean I could see
Speaker 1: things imploding in metaland if they get off to a
Speaker 1: tough start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't really done much this offseason, have they.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, what happens if bred Beaty struggles or
Speaker 2: Viento's okay, if Senga is hurt and can't you know,
Speaker 2: can't get it, sim bring up the kids, Bring up
Speaker 2: the kids. When I look at Semi and I see
Speaker 2: he's going right now at two sixty Okayjrgate Polanco's at
Speaker 2: two forty six, uh Cavallera's at two thirty seven, Glabor
Speaker 2: Tors is at two forty five. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: players that are going off the board in that range,
Speaker 2: and he's just one of the four or five players
Speaker 2: that I think fit into that spot in the draft,
Speaker 2: and I'd be fine with all of them if that's
Speaker 2: the way I'm approaching second base. For me, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the speed, So if I'm looking at one of
Speaker 2: those guys, it's only because I've shored up my speed
Speaker 2: right and it's no longer a priority.
Speaker 1: Mhm. My NFBC just said I'm on deck to him,
Speaker 1: I think I'm actually picking cond of Griffin just went
Speaker 1: off the board. I was actually thinking about that as well.
Speaker 1: So should I do this, Jose Cavallera. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do that.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think you can get your power. It
Speaker 2: depends on the starting pictures available too. There's no relief pictures, obviously,
Speaker 2: but at least I do'be.
Speaker 1: There is Rookie Forsake, will Ves, Chris Bubeck, Connolly, Early,
Speaker 1: Zach Galen, Matthew Boyd. There's still some guys I'll get
Speaker 1: more pitches, but I mean, the multi player eligibility is
Speaker 1: so valuable in this format. It is, but I don't
Speaker 1: need the speed, which is what he's going to provide.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna hold off
Speaker 1: making that. I don't want to make a call here
Speaker 1: on my uh on a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, because you want to take a lover and
Speaker 2: see what power guys are left out there. There might
Speaker 2: be a guy that will give you ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: stolen bases to go along with twenty five home runs, right,
Speaker 2: that is more valuable. You know.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can just grab somebody that
Speaker 1: took Corvin Carroll? Can I have him? I'll give you
Speaker 1: Jose Cavallero. Let's get back to second base here, Xavier Edwards.
Speaker 1: You down him three from where he was going to
Speaker 1: the NFBC and not a guy that's as you mentioned
Speaker 1: at the top, it's speeding zero power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no power whatsoever. I remember last year
Speaker 2: about this time, and I was one of those guys
Speaker 2: that was huge on Edwards because I saw the thirty
Speaker 2: one stolen bases in two hundred and sixty some odd
Speaker 2: bats the year before in twenty twenty four. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were all thinking big numbers. Injuries cut those numbers down
Speaker 2: significantly to only twenty seven stolen bases last year. I
Speaker 2: think he can steal thirty in his sleep. But at
Speaker 2: the same point in time, how much do I want
Speaker 2: to pay for that thirty? I don't want to pay
Speaker 2: as much as the NFBC guys do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of agree there. Twenty two starts Tommy Edmund,
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan, Colt Keith, Jake Cronaworth, Sun Moon's Song, Andre
Speaker 1: Andre's Geminez, Jonathan India, Ernie Clement and Romy Gonzalez. Give
Speaker 1: me two guys in that grouping that you'd really like
Speaker 1: a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Get ready to hit zero point zero. But Sun Moon's song, Okay,
Speaker 2: past two years in Korea have been great. Okay, if
Speaker 2: he can find you don't have to. I have him
Speaker 2: ranked there. That doesn't mean you have to draft him there. Okay,
Speaker 2: you can probably pick him up in the four to
Speaker 2: five hundred range, but he's got potential for full time
Speaker 2: playing time. He is definitely one of them, and you
Speaker 2: know he's going so late. I look at Jonathan India
Speaker 2: India and he's never been a great player, but he
Speaker 2: had four really good years and then Ken So yeah,
Speaker 2: and Kansas City decided last year okay, that they wanted
Speaker 2: him to be their super sub. So he spent spring
Speaker 2: training learning two new positions, okay, and it flopped. Now
Speaker 2: the Royals are going back to him as a regular
Speaker 2: second basement this year, and they've spent eight million for
Speaker 2: the luxury of doing it. I think we could see
Speaker 2: a bounce back from India to the levels of play
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four to twenty twenty three, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, mid teen power ten to twelve stolen bases
Speaker 2: a decent player. So I've moved India up a little
Speaker 2: bit because I think there is a shot at a
Speaker 2: bounce back from him. And when you look at all
Speaker 2: of the players down here, there's flaws all over the place. Again,
Speaker 2: I think India represents the potential for some upside. Rich Uh.
Speaker 1: He actually ranked pretty high on my analysis. I did
Speaker 1: not rank him as a target, but he was right
Speaker 1: on the cusps. So I'm kind of in agreement with you.
Speaker 1: I did not think about all the setup for uh,
Speaker 1: you know, learning, learning the multiple positions. I kind of
Speaker 1: love that narrative that you just did, so that in
Speaker 1: combination with what you said, with what the data is showing,
Speaker 1: I kind of support where you are with that. What's
Speaker 1: the second guy in that grouping?
Speaker 2: The second guy in that grouping? Ah? Hey, I I
Speaker 2: think if the Jays don't re up with Boba Schett,
Speaker 2: and I think that's a very real possibility because I'm
Speaker 2: hearing they're still they're still in on.
Speaker 1: I hear the Yankees are really in on uh On
Speaker 1: Boba Schett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could I could see that. I think the
Speaker 2: Jays are still chasing hard on Kyle Tucker. Okay, so
Speaker 2: you know Immanez up until last year, he's going to
Speaker 2: play somewhere because of his glove. But I could see
Speaker 2: ten twelve home runs, maybe twenty five stolen bases as
Speaker 2: a late middle infield value. I'd look at him and as.
Speaker 1: Timmy, let's sick, let's sick. Let's do a couple more
Speaker 1: questions here, Let's take another break, come back and yeah,
Speaker 1: tack another break, come back, and we'll start to ask
Speaker 1: the hard questions, shall we.
Speaker 2: That sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: An hour and twenty one.
Speaker 2: Who.
Speaker 1: Timmy gave me a little grace as I had to
Speaker 1: go to the potty, Timmy, I couldn't take it anymore.
Speaker 1: I was Chris crossing my legs and it wasn't working.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's never a good sign, my friend, never ever, ever.
Speaker 2: I got to give you the time for that pause
Speaker 2: for the cause.
Speaker 1: A couple other guys here late. Uh uh, Lennon, So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's because he's out of it. You don't
Speaker 1: think he's going to get a job. And Kristen Campbell
Speaker 1: all the way down to forty thirty not big on him.
Speaker 1: Don't don't think he's going to get playing time. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming could he give us some color on both of
Speaker 1: those players. Well?
Speaker 2: In Boston with Campbell, uh, the Red Sox apparently are
Speaker 2: saying the preferred position they would like him to be
Speaker 2: playing his left field. Okay, well they've got about fourteen
Speaker 2: left fielders. Okay, you look at the oatfield. You know,
Speaker 2: I got Duran, you got Rafaela who plays, you know
Speaker 2: will A Brew, you got Roman Anthony. Okay, I just
Speaker 2: don't see Campbell fitting fitting in anywhere right now? How
Speaker 2: is that? I just hey, I think the potential, the
Speaker 2: skills are there, but I just don't see a pass
Speaker 2: the playing time right now. So how do I rank
Speaker 2: him above, Say, I've got romy Gonzalez at thirty, Okay,
Speaker 2: much higher. But Gonzales, he hits about hard, sprints, speeds solid.
Speaker 2: You know, there there are options in Boston. My problem
Speaker 2: is playing time. And with Lennon Sosa, he went from
Speaker 2: being an everyday, everyday type player, okay, to not being,
Speaker 2: you know, an everyday type player. So again, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's up with len and Sosa. Okay, it looks
Speaker 2: like they've got meat drawed into the leadoffs while the
Speaker 2: second base at DH they're looking at Quorros Sosa gonna
Speaker 2: fit in as a DH. It's playing time related and
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like he's going to get full time
Speaker 2: at bats. So I've just down shifted. And again I
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on with the White Sox, but
Speaker 2: we haven't heard much good about Lenonsoza or much of
Speaker 2: anything about Lenon Sosa this offseason at all. So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm just anticipating fewer at bats, fewer opportunities, and let's
Speaker 2: let's move them down a little bit.
Speaker 1: Out of these last forty or so players, give me
Speaker 1: a handful of guys that you're looking at for sleepers.
Speaker 2: Sleepers, how can you not like Adele Lamador, Well, he.
Speaker 1: Definitely can hit. I mean, but it was not very
Speaker 1: good when he got the promotion, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: the Rockies, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's the Rockies. If I'm going down this list, the
Speaker 2: guys that would intrigue me are all in a clump
Speaker 2: at the bottom, because again we don't know when they're
Speaker 2: going to get the call it. Max Anderson, Bryce Matthews, Bazanna,
Speaker 2: Tommy Troy, Okay, Treent. If the Cubs look at moving
Speaker 2: Nico Horner, Triantos could fit into the picture. Rockery zo
Speaker 2: I had had to give him a mention. Tomar Johnson,
Speaker 2: I think when you start looking at forty to fifty,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of players that will eventually end up
Speaker 2: rostered as injury replacements. Guys like Mauricio debonn Okay, possibly
Speaker 2: Cool Young, you know, Rocchio, Arias in Cleveland, Angel Martinez,
Speaker 2: Fossley's got the outfield eligibility, Tim Tawell on Arizona. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of players that I don't think are everyday players,
Speaker 2: but they will hold value at some point in the
Speaker 2: season as injury replacements, and do I want I'll pay
Speaker 2: for them as I need them. I won't stash them
Speaker 2: on my reserve roster.
Speaker 1: Richard, I think that's I think that's interesting and solid.
Speaker 1: I also think I like your I like Travis Bizana.
Speaker 1: I think there's some intrigue there. I think he'll get
Speaker 1: a shot. I don't know how good of a player
Speaker 1: he is. You know my love for Rock Reggio. I
Speaker 1: think that's a that's a great draft and hold round
Speaker 1: forty eight pick kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I really like, really like that.
Speaker 1: Casey Schmidt is there's this multi position eligible I think
Speaker 1: he did okay last season. I think there could be
Speaker 1: something there as well with him.
Speaker 2: What about that Geloff? Remember remember him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Zach Geloff on my analysis scored very high. I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it at that. So maybe he can bounce back.
Speaker 1: But health was clearly a problem last season. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: pretty much free. He's pretty much free, and I think
Speaker 1: second base. As as I wrote to our Patreon members,
Speaker 1: if you don't you don't get the guy you're looking for.
Speaker 1: One strategy is to get a fill in guy and
Speaker 1: then look for some of these guys that might come
Speaker 1: up and play second place, like JT. Weatherholt and some
Speaker 1: of the Travis Bazanas of the world who might get
Speaker 1: a shot there and and will come up in that position.
Speaker 1: So that that's another strategy to play, because I do
Speaker 1: think Bizana is going to get a shot. I think JT.
Speaker 1: Weatherhold's going to be a shot. This depends on whether
Speaker 1: what Weatherhold actually plays or not. What position he plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, and he'll probably be
Speaker 2: listed at shortstop or second base.
Speaker 1: He'll be listed at shortstop. But unless something happens to
Speaker 1: Mason Whin, I just think Nolan Forman. I mean, who
Speaker 1: knows what the Cardinals are doing anymore, But if Nolan Gorman,
Speaker 1: I just think that JT. Weatherhold's going to be the
Speaker 1: I think the best player on that team. Once he
Speaker 1: comes up and gets a little established, I think that's
Speaker 1: the guy they build around. I think he comes up.
Speaker 1: I think he comes up erillly in second base or
Speaker 1: third base, but I think second base would be the
Speaker 1: spot that he plays at unless they get rid of Aeronata.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know us, we are looking at thirty
Speaker 2: to forty and guys like Cody Clemens. I actually had
Speaker 2: him in my top thirty at one point in time.
Speaker 2: Then the Twins went and signed signed Josh Bell. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: adjustment time for Cody Clemens. Okay. Again, it's all about
Speaker 2: playing time and opportunities. So again, there will be opportunities
Speaker 2: in season. You just have to follow things very very closely.
Speaker 2: But as far as stashing players, I don't see second
Speaker 2: base being a priority.
Speaker 1: So your middle endfield is more than likely going to
Speaker 1: come from your shortstop.
Speaker 2: Either either that or I will end up in a
Speaker 2: situation where I look at Holiday or Keisha, one of
Speaker 2: those two you know, in eighth to tenth round, somewhere
Speaker 2: in that range based on the current numbers, and then
Speaker 2: I might be happy with Orge bolanco Real late. Like,
Speaker 2: I haven't done shortstop yet, but I know it falls
Speaker 2: off rather drastically after you get up to about pick twenty.
Speaker 2: I am am aware of that. So my middle infielder
Speaker 2: could come from second base depending on how I approach
Speaker 2: the position.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I'm gonna make it harder for you because the
Speaker 1: second mass so weak. Give me two guys, Timmy at
Speaker 1: the end of the season coming in the next year,
Speaker 1: are not top ten players? Two not one too. Oh
Speaker 1: and there's a right answer in here.
Speaker 2: By the way, f YI, Yes, I'm thinking the safe
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the two easiest ones are
Speaker 2: Brandon Lowe and Bryson Stott. Obviously, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 2: Ozzie Lby's and ding.
Speaker 1: Ding Ding ding Ding right answer?
Speaker 2: And Brandon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would I have the pirates are hoping
Speaker 1: you're wrong because they would have a big season, you know, Keishall,
Speaker 1: I like the upside there, But if he gets off
Speaker 1: to a slow start in Minnesota, they you know, they
Speaker 1: might move on pretty quickly and demote him, so he
Speaker 1: could drop as well. It's another guy that does worry
Speaker 1: me a little bit, but I wouldn't be surprised. I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if Jackson Holliday doesn't perform and can tell
Speaker 1: Marte and Jazz Chisholm aren't still there. But all these
Speaker 1: other guys, Timmy, even the great jose Al Tuve could.
Speaker 2: Find the wall.
Speaker 1: Might he finally might hit the wall and all these
Speaker 1: guys could come fall in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where can you rule out a fifteen fifty five
Speaker 2: stolen based season from jose L too? No, I don't
Speaker 2: think he can. I don't think it's gonna happen, but
Speaker 2: you can't rule it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, agreed, give me give me, give me two
Speaker 1: or three guys that you think might replace these guys,
Speaker 1: and you can give me coup on the teams, But
Speaker 1: give me a couple of deeper guys.
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, replacing.
Speaker 1: Mong Song. I'm assuming there's one of them, right.
Speaker 2: Well, No, I want to give your finger or break.
Speaker 2: You've zero zero enough already to day. When I look
Speaker 2: at second base, the guy that really sort of intrigues
Speaker 2: me and is SoSE Cavallero, because if he moves into
Speaker 2: shortstop to cover off okay, while Volpay is rehabbing, is
Speaker 2: there a chance that Volpai doesn't have a job to
Speaker 2: come back to if Cavallero plays well, I don't think
Speaker 2: that can entirely be ruled out. So the upside from Cavallera,
Speaker 2: if he's a full time player, he could he could
Speaker 2: steal fifty sixty bases, okay for purposes of our game.
Speaker 2: That would put him as a top ten second basement
Speaker 2: So I like the potential there. Brett Baty, the upside
Speaker 2: potential he could move into the He could move into
Speaker 2: the top ten. He had eighteen home runs last year
Speaker 2: and pin Shy a four hundred of bats. If he
Speaker 2: gets up twenty five thirty home runs, you know, ten
Speaker 2: to twelve stolen bases. That that is very very intriguing.
Speaker 2: Ice on Kim there's upside there being that he's a
Speaker 2: Dodger and he he looks to have a job right now.
Speaker 2: We'll see how that shakes down. And then you get
Speaker 2: down to the bottom, the bottom tier, and yeah, how
Speaker 2: do you not like a guy like Max Anderson. You know,
Speaker 2: for the second half, a guy like the Zana Tommy
Speaker 2: Troy should get opportunities in Arizona. If Arizona moves on
Speaker 2: from Marte, which is rumored, Trianto's is the same situation.
Speaker 2: There could be opportunities there based on what happens with
Speaker 2: Nico Horner. So some of these guys towards the bottom
Speaker 2: could carry a fair bit of value heading into next
Speaker 2: year's drafts. What happens in the next two to three
Speaker 2: four months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't reveal the suck ause Patreon members are
Speaker 1: paying for, but a lot of the I think there's
Speaker 1: a there could be much like we saw with Ketcher
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years and kind of changing
Speaker 1: of the guard was second base, as a lot of
Speaker 1: these kids are coming up from the minor leagues that
Speaker 1: started off being shortstops. In short JJ Weatherhold's a perfect example.
Speaker 1: They've got a really quality short stuff, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: play somewhere. It's going to be second or third. And
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see that next wave of
Speaker 1: players coming up. So and I kind of like some
Speaker 1: of the names you have here as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, guys like weather weather Holds, they'll
Speaker 2: get mentioned in the next feven movie do shortstops and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, there there are going to be middle infield
Speaker 2: opportunities for a lot of these young kids as the
Speaker 2: aging veterans move on.
Speaker 1: So, knowing that I might be drafting Jose Cavallero and
Speaker 1: he's top of mind, you've mentioned a couple of times,
Speaker 1: until the Orioles, until the Yankees, and until Bobaschett is
Speaker 1: off the board, I'm a little concerned about Jose Caballero.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much the Yankees liked him. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard. He's a he's a he feels like a
Speaker 1: like a super utility guy, right and I think, right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: he would be perfect as a Yankee kind of doing that.
Speaker 1: And are they going to want to go to war
Speaker 1: with Cavalleros starting off the season and then going back
Speaker 1: to Volpi, who was terrible last year, even though the
Speaker 1: data says he could be better. That's what I don't know.
Speaker 1: If they're going to say we're the Mighty Yankees. We
Speaker 1: haven't signed anybody big. We just lost out on Amaya.
Speaker 1: We got to sign somebody. Let's overpay for Bobashett.
Speaker 2: That's what worries me so and and you know what,
Speaker 2: I think untill legitimate concern. If I was if I
Speaker 2: was in your shoes, knowing who you've drafted so far
Speaker 2: and looking at your team build. As much as Cavallero
Speaker 2: gives you the flexibility at multiple positions, I don't think
Speaker 2: he is the best player for you to be rostering,
Speaker 2: simply because you've already covered off on what other than
Speaker 2: the flex you've covered off on what Cavalleira is going
Speaker 2: to bring to the table, which is speed. So he
Speaker 2: might be the best player, but he might not be
Speaker 2: the best player for your team build. How's that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just again, I definitely agree with that, But I
Speaker 1: also just worry even because I've been thinking about Jose
Speaker 1: Cavallere for the last couple of rounds, and I just
Speaker 1: I can't get a read on what the Yankees are doing.
Speaker 1: And again, they are the mighty Yankees, and they got
Speaker 1: to be pissed that they haven't been able to score
Speaker 1: this offseason and they've tried well.
Speaker 2: And let's face that the Jays knocked them off their
Speaker 2: perch a little bit last year with that great season,
Speaker 2: and the Jays have been incredibly aggressive this offseason. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I would think in New York right now, the media
Speaker 2: is absolutely crucifying them for their lack of activity and
Speaker 2: your concerns, Avoute, Hey, we'll just give them what we should,
Speaker 2: what we want to give them. I think they're I
Speaker 2: think they're reasonable concerns.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And Boba Schat has been said, hey I'll
Speaker 1: move to second base and move to third base. But
Speaker 1: the Yankees have a second basement. They have a really
Speaker 1: good defensive third basement. They Gashism at second and Ryan
Speaker 1: McMahon at third. I mean shortstop. Is the obvious one
Speaker 1: that's calling our name? Is calling somebody's name. And then
Speaker 1: you sit there and think, Okay, are they really going
Speaker 1: to go to war with Jose Cavallero with a backup
Speaker 1: of Volpie And I just don't know I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on a positive note, if you if you were
Speaker 2: to look at Cavallero, I still think he's going to
Speaker 2: get forty plus stolen basis. But that's all he might
Speaker 2: give you, just as a super sub relieving players, you know,
Speaker 2: and reduced it best. I think. I still think the
Speaker 2: speed is going to be there, But in your case,
Speaker 2: the speed is not all that relevant because you've covered
Speaker 2: off real good to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But having said that, yet it's still like, do
Speaker 1: I want anyway enough about me, Timmy? Yes, great stuff,
Speaker 1: Let's take our final break, come back and wrap this
Speaker 1: puppy up.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: Give me a player or to Timmy that you're going to.
Speaker 2: Avoid, I'm going to avoid everybody except for Jackson Holiday
Speaker 2: and Luke Keishall in the top ten.
Speaker 1: I can't disagree with you, my friend. I can't I
Speaker 1: disagree with you.
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to get some modes. I
Speaker 2: want to make sure my oatfield's covered off if I'm
Speaker 2: looking for power. Like as much as I like Chisholm
Speaker 2: Junior and Kato Marte and Bryce Terrang, I don't want
Speaker 2: to pay the price that one has to pay to
Speaker 2: acquire any of those guys. So I'm going to be
Speaker 2: looking further down the list. It's yeah, Hey, that was
Speaker 2: the conclusion I made as well.
Speaker 1: I agree with it. They'd have to fall, would have
Speaker 1: to go to the third round, and then I would
Speaker 1: be very interested. Can tell Marte. I think just still
Speaker 1: got the power. Solsa bar really hard. But it's out
Speaker 1: the good outfielders are sitting in those first rounds and
Speaker 1: you got to make choices. And that's just this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once we get to outfield, it becomes then you
Speaker 2: start looking, as you've done and I've done, you start
Speaker 2: looking at outfield. Do I want an outfield made up
Speaker 2: of outfielders after the say pick thirty through to pick sixty,
Speaker 2: Do I want to build my outfield with three players
Speaker 2: from that group and two from sixty to ninety trying
Speaker 2: to fill d H No, I don't. I want to
Speaker 2: try and avoid that situation.
Speaker 1: When I made the decision to go Elie de la Cruz,
Speaker 1: which to me was the right decision.
Speaker 2: I believe in that right.
Speaker 1: But that then it was like all of those second
Speaker 1: basemen were off the board. It's like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: with chisholmber T Marte. I got to go with an outfielder, right,
Speaker 1: and that's just the position I win. And I got
Speaker 1: to get another outfield soon after that. So you're you
Speaker 1: got two.
Speaker 2: Good ones, one with an immense upside potential and the
Speaker 2: other one has gone twenty twenty since I had a
Speaker 2: full head of hair. Okay, it can't get much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a long time ago. Yeah, so no, I think I
Speaker 2: think it worked out well. I like what you've done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's uh, but that's just trying to help
Speaker 1: everybody as we've gone through that, thinking of the board
Speaker 1: and looking at the board. Yeah, sure you could go
Speaker 1: Elie de la Cruz followed by Catel Marte and be yeah,
Speaker 1: you got your middle, you got your middle all set up.
Speaker 1: You're going to be struggling to then with pitching, the
Speaker 1: high end pitching and outfit. It's going to run out
Speaker 1: in a hurry.
Speaker 2: Well, and first first base is you know, hey, if
Speaker 2: you don't get outfield, you've got to find yourself a
Speaker 2: good first basement. So then you take you've got your
Speaker 2: two middle infielders, you take a first baseman and and
Speaker 2: you'll find your team construction, your team build. It gets
Speaker 2: real nasty. You're going to spend most of the draft
Speaker 2: trying to chase after things you need rather than acquiring
Speaker 2: commodities that will improve your lot in life. Does that
Speaker 2: make sense?
Speaker 1: First base was a priority for me. I did not
Speaker 1: want to wait too late, and yeah, and get no
Speaker 1: batting average. That was what I was worried about, because then, well,
Speaker 1: I know I can I know I could get power
Speaker 1: first base later on, but right, I just don't want
Speaker 1: to get a two twenty batting average and twenty five
Speaker 1: five runs to get a guy that I think can
Speaker 1: hit as well. And yeah, that's that was my That
Speaker 1: was my spot. And playing in a good lineup, which
Speaker 1: is why Matt Olson flat junior. Yeah, all of those play.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, I was actually proud of my
Speaker 1: my league mates in this league that Nick Kurtz went
Speaker 1: back of, he went back of the second round, so
Speaker 1: once again went in front of him. He went pick one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eleventh pick in the second round.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no, I looking at some of those early
Speaker 2: numbers on Kurtz. Yeah he might deliver on them, but man,
Speaker 2: oh man, it's.
Speaker 1: It's tough to take. Tough to take Pete Alonzo after
Speaker 1: Nick Kurtz. You know, it's just like playing at Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Now just I mean Peter Anza. It's I think Nick
Speaker 1: Kurtz wants to become Pete Alonzo.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, well exactly, Yeah. How many times has
Speaker 2: Alonzo bested forty home runs? A lot more than once?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like Nick, so, Nick Kurtz, Nick Kurts
Speaker 1: it hit fifty five home runs or something crazy like that.
Speaker 1: But the risk associated with that versus pretty much being
Speaker 1: a short of thirty five to forty with Pee Alonzo,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes you just have to take the
Speaker 1: more conservative play and then go for your go go
Speaker 1: for the more risky stuff a little bit later. That's
Speaker 1: just how I like to play it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sometimes your best pick is the one you
Speaker 2: didn't take when you didn't make the movie you didn't make,
Speaker 2: because again, you've got to look at filling a lot
Speaker 2: of positions in the best possible way that you can
Speaker 2: and adjusting your picks accordingly. It Drafting a team's not easy,
Speaker 2: and whether you've got sixty seconds on the clock or
Speaker 2: four hours, hey, one pick leads into another leads into another,
Speaker 2: and you start going down the wrong path and before
Speaker 2: you know it, there ain't no coming back. And that's
Speaker 2: when it becomes a problem and it gets ugly quick.
Speaker 1: Yeh, I agree with you. I mean that's a wrap,
Speaker 1: my friend. We will talk next week. Are we doing
Speaker 1: third base next week?
Speaker 2: I was going to do short stops simply, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: tie in between second and short the middle infield. Do
Speaker 2: it in one block and then do third base a
Speaker 2: week after.
Speaker 1: If that works for you, I'm I'm easy either way.
Speaker 1: We got to do another prospect stuff, so we have
Speaker 1: to talk about that during during the week. I've got
Speaker 1: some personal stuff going on this week, very exciting, Timmy.
Speaker 1: You know what I did Friday. You'll never guess what
Speaker 1: I did on Friday.
Speaker 2: Don't tell me how to root canal?
Speaker 1: No, that's I had. No I'm see good. But it
Speaker 1: was about the same kind of pain. I don't know
Speaker 1: Department of Motor Vehicle is like in Canada. But I
Speaker 1: had to go to the DMV. We're moving our permitted
Speaker 1: residence back up to New Jersey, and Laurie and I
Speaker 1: went and spent two wonderful hours at the DMV. Timmy,
Speaker 1: it's you make an appointment. I'm like, okay, great, we
Speaker 1: made an appointment at ten thirty and right all you
Speaker 1: do is you get into a long snaky line and
Speaker 1: then you get up about eleven o'clock to make it
Speaker 1: to the first thing, and you go, I have a
Speaker 1: ten thirty appointment, and the guy says, okay, go to
Speaker 1: that line. It's another long snake and lego, what do
Speaker 1: you mean I have an appointment? He goes, yeah, you
Speaker 1: have an appointment, Thank you very much. Going to the line.
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, at ten thirty, you're getting it. The line, okay,
Speaker 2: at ten forty five, you're stolen our our equivalent to
Speaker 2: your DMV is exactly the same. You gotta remember a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago they suspended my license, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I remember that.
Speaker 2: Ye yes, yeah, okay, so yeah we're talking. Yeah, different countries,
Speaker 2: U same modus operende pretty much. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow. When you know they took my picture, you know,
Speaker 1: for the license, and you know they put it up
Speaker 1: on a big screen to say this is what timmy,
Speaker 1: I'm an ugly man. I have to admit that was horrible.
Speaker 1: I mean I just looked at it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I look old. I look terrible.
Speaker 2: I mean just like, yeah, you can't smile, they tell
Speaker 2: you not just look Mine looks like it should be
Speaker 2: up on the post office wall under the wall talking list.
Speaker 2: It's brutal.
Speaker 1: I got in the car with Laurie and I said,
Speaker 1: I have to tell you man, I said, I hope
Speaker 1: you don't dump me. I have no shot again another no, no,
Speaker 1: I have no shot to get in the date after
Speaker 1: get at that picture.
Speaker 2: None.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, oh, my war And that woman
Speaker 1: looked at you, goes is that okay? I go no,
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm afraid the next one who takes
Speaker 1: them look exactly the same. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: Well, And you know what happens if you say no,
Speaker 2: it's not good, okay, Then you go over into the
Speaker 2: know the picture is not good line okay, and you're
Speaker 2: another forty five minutes eight for else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. It was crazy. So but
Speaker 1: we're all done. We got uh, we got our license
Speaker 1: plates on the car and we got Tipperary Tipperary licenses.
Speaker 1: The new one's coming the mail in like two weeks
Speaker 1: or something, so I don't know. So we're we're all good.
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping the pictures. I know in North Carolina
Speaker 1: they turn them into black and white photos. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that they turned these because then you don't look quite
Speaker 1: as bad as the black and white as you do
Speaker 1: in color.
Speaker 2: So right, yeah, no, and hey they take a look
Speaker 2: at it and yeah, it's it's black and white. What
Speaker 2: do you expect? Right? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I encourage you all our younger listeners, enjoy your youth. Thinks.
Speaker 1: Things really starting to go down the hill. It's just like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I looked at my last I looked at my car.
Speaker 1: Driver says, that's not so bad. That was like five
Speaker 1: years ago. Like, and it's like, has it gone this
Speaker 1: bad in five years?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, probably listening to so much of my advice
Speaker 2: probably has did that process.
Speaker 1: Lord have mercy. Oh my god, it's it's it's over anyway, Timmy.
Speaker 1: It was good, good, good chatty, great show, great job
Speaker 1: on the ranking, and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2: Be safe, be well, and looking forward to going through
Speaker 2: Shortstop next weekend.