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Blue Beard is 60 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.439 the story documenting the history behind the reign of terror 61 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:40.080 imposed on Europe by Jille Durey's The Famous blue Beard. 62 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.919 The author brings the reader into the castles, pageants, battles 63 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:49.520 and dungeons of medieval Europe to explore the enigma that 64 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.319 was the life of the man who fought bravely and 65 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:56.439 valiantly alongside Joan of Arc in pursuit of a higher cause, 66 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:01.479 then descended into the dark depths of sexual exploitation of children, 67 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:07.080 which made him a historical monster. But what is it 68 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.240 that causes a man to develop to being such a person. 69 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.199 The author focuses on the man's life and the foundation 70 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:18.560 set for his mental and intellectual development, then explores his 71 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:23.079 life subsequent to the sword clashing, blood letting battles alongside 72 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:28.279 Joan of Arc. She raises questions presents hypothesis from genetic 73 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:33.439 disposition to DTSD to explain the demonic action of the man. 74 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.439 It is a book that gives the reader a breathtaking 75 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.639 experience and presents thought provoking possibilities as to why a 76 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.240 man who led of life of valor as a brave 77 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:48.680 warrior could descend into the dark depths of depravity. The 78 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.680 book that we're featuring this evening is Bluebeard, Brave Warrior, 79 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:58.639 Brutal Psychopath, with my special guest journalist and author Valerie Ogden. 80 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.160 Welcome to the program and thank you for agreeing to 81 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:01.759 this interview. 82 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:07.959 Valerie Ogden, Hi, lovely, thank you for your introduction. It 83 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:08.639 was wonderful. 84 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.279 Well, thank you. This is for those people that think 85 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:18.040 that horror and serial killers and all that madness and 86 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.959 craziness started at Jack the Ripper. Well, have we got 87 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:27.199 a story for you here? Noil, let me just ask 88 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.120 this question. Of all the books that you could have written, 89 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.000 give us just a little bit of your background without 90 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:36.800 giving away the story here at all. But what brought 91 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.120 you to wanting to write blue Beard? What brought you 92 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:41.839 to this project blue Beard? 93 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:47.160 Well, it's actually fascinating. I was at the wedding of 94 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.519 my nephew and it was in an old, lovely church 95 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.079 in Belgium, and it was I think built for the 96 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.600 cross bowmen of the thirteenth century, and there were no chairs, 97 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:59.959 who had to stand up. And standing next to me 98 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.439 was this very well dressed man in his Italian suit, 99 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.519 and he looked at me, and I looked at him, 100 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.800 and he smiled, and in French, she said, how do 101 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:11.120 you like your nephew marrying into the family of a murderer? 102 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:15.279 And of course I thought my friend had really gotten rusty, 103 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.240 and I looked at him, and then the bride came 104 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.680 in and we couldn't do anything more talking. And so 105 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.560 when I got to the reception, I went over to him. 106 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.160 I made a beeline for him, and I said, could 107 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.279 you explain to me what you just said. Did you 108 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.279 say that this was my nephew was just married into 109 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:34.079 the family of a murder He said, oh, yes, yes, 110 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.319 he's famous. His name was his nickname was blue Beard. Well, 111 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.879 the only blue Beard I had known was it's a 112 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:45.000 fairy tale written by Charles Perrault. And actually he based 113 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.680 his fairy tale. He changed his story where his you know, 114 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:51.800 his blue Beard killed his wives who were very nosy. 115 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:52.639 Uh. 116 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.079 He based it on the true blue Beard, whose name 117 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.959 was Gidiret, but he changed it from children to wives. 118 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.879 So that's the only man I knew. And hear this, 119 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.759 you know, her uncle would not tell me anything more. 120 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:09.319 He said, oh, I know nothing more, Go talk to 121 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.360 my mother. So I went to the mother, and of 122 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.480 course the mother said, I know nothing he was except 123 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.560 that he was a knight. We always live in France 124 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.879 except for you know, her name is Beminice, except for 125 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:24.120 Beminice's family who works for the EU. And that was it. 126 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.000 And I thought, this is very strange. You know this 127 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.120 man apparently they did tell me he lived in the 128 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.199 fifteenth century, and I thought, he's been dead for six 129 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:37.480 hundred years. Why won't they say anything more? So When 130 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:42.560 I got home, I started to do research, and there 131 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.120 isn't that much in English, which is very interesting. It's 132 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.399 it's very sort of prejudicial. This is just a horrible man, 133 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.680 that's all they tell you. They don't tell you he 134 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.439 was the hero of the Hundred Years War. So I 135 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:59.199 became very interested because I had I was a history scholar, 136 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:04.360 you know, and college, and I was just curious. And 137 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.360 so I could read French, which was a great help 138 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:10.560 because I couldn't have written this book if it had 139 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:12.759 just been English sources. 140 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:18.000 Unfortunately incredible. We're going to have to talk about that 141 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.439 one hundred years War briefly too, and because that's really 142 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.120 an integral part of this story. But let's start with 143 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:28.079 a little bit of the background on Jill Deres himself 144 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:32.679 and talking about G two and his mother Maria, and 145 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.120 so tell us about his early life before we get 146 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.240 to this obviously very very traumatic year when he was 147 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.559 eleven years old. So let's talk about Gee two and 148 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:42.399 his mother Maria. 149 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:48.399 And people did not get married, if they were a 150 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.039 nobility at that time, for love. They got married for 151 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.320 you know, combining their their properties and so forth and 152 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.120 so on, and so these two came from very very 153 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:06.159 wealthy in western France, and they took on the name 154 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:12.600 of dray He. The father took over a baroness's properties 155 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.960 because she was the last of that ancestry and she 156 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.039 had no survivors, and he quadrupled his wealth by doing so. 157 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:27.440 And they lived absolutely lavishly in grandiose castles which were incredible. 158 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.879 I'm sure they were terribly, terribly cold and drafty, but 159 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.240 you just read about the beauty within these, you know, 160 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:39.039 the intricate designs and the mantlepieces and the main eating 161 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:42.399 area which is also their social area, and you just think, 162 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.759 wouldn't you have loved to have been in a warm 163 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:49.039 coat and been able to be there to observe what 164 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:53.440 was going on. And there's not much known about his mother. 165 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.519 There's much more about the father was apparently a very 166 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:00.639 very decent person, and he really brought up to child 167 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.360 very well. He had tutors for him. He made sure 168 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.399 that he was schooled in Latin and Greek before he 169 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.639 was seven. He could speak both, he could do mathematics. 170 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:15.039 You know. I think the father, you know, prided himself 171 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.279 in bringing up a real sort of of that time, 172 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:23.519 more a Renaissance person than even the light Middle Ages. 173 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.159 And then shall I go into what happened to the father? 174 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:32.519 Well before that too, you also you say he provided intellectually, 175 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.759 he had the tutors, but also a very art He 176 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.399 exposed him to a very rich artistic life. To he 177 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.039 balanced that as well too with exposing him to the 178 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:43.000 arts as well, didn't he. 179 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.360 I think he must have, yes, I mean he always 180 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:49.960 It's not that clear, but he must have with someone 181 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.919 at that age, you know, because certainly the grandfather didn't 182 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:58.000 too to have an interest in as many aspects of 183 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.320 the arts as he did. You can pick that up, 184 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.440 I'm sure yourself. But it certainly doesn't hurt to have 185 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.799 beautiful tapestries, your beautiful design statuettes which were exquisitely carved. 186 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.960 And when there weren't even these beautiful tapestries on the wall, 187 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.559 they had Italian painters who were apparently the best painters 188 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.639 of the day come in and do ceilings and wall paintings. 189 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.879 And the floors were of jade, which the ones which 190 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:33.519 weren't carpeted. So he was exposed to extravagance and beauty 191 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:34.480 all around. 192 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.080 Now he had a brother just recent arrival in the 193 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:46.360 family of the year, and then he was eleven years old, 194 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.799 and so tell us what happened with the father? What 195 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:50.480 happened with the So. 196 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.600 The father who he adored, who Jildra adored, was out 197 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.320 hunting for bore in their forest and it's called chantoise, 198 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:03.919 and he was gored by the wild boar and he 199 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:07.320 had a slow, painful death. Obviously they didn't have many, 200 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.080 you know, pills that they could give someone, and he 201 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:15.519 just died a terrible, terrible death, which obviously Judra witnessed. 202 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:21.919 And then his mother about six months later, died. So 203 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.519 he was left in orphan at age eleven, his brother 204 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:29.840 being one who really probably couldn't comprehend anything. And there 205 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.879 was a father had one of his I guess it 206 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.480 was his cousins that he wanted to bring up Shedra, 207 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:42.159 but the grandfather broke the will and he was able 208 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:46.240 to take both Childerray and the brother into his own 209 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:48.639 sort of under his own wing. And the reason he 210 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:51.320 wanted to do that was he wanted to control the 211 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:57.279 vast wealth that Jilt eleven years old inherited, So that's 212 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:01.000 what he did. He was almost his name was de Crayon, 213 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.759 and he was, you know, he dressed in finery. He 214 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.480 was a noble himself, but he was really almost no 215 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.919 better than a thug. He invaded his neighbor's properties, he 216 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.480 would steal, he would do whatever he could to take 217 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:19.080 over somebody's property. And this is the influence you know, 218 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.639 that Gira had, although he sort of left these boys 219 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.919 alone to do whatever they wanted, which they did. And 220 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.799 certainly it's interesting because the brother didn't turn out the 221 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.240 same way at all. But the one thing that this 222 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:38.559 thug grandfather did was make sure that Jeure was schooled 223 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.360 to be a fine squire, to be a very good night, 224 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.960 which Girdray turned out to be. He turned out to 225 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.240 want to surpass everyone else. He had that lust to 226 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:56.200 be the best. And at the same time, yes, go 227 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.320 go ahead, sort I was just to say at the 228 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.639 same time this as I call him. You know, I'm 229 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:02.879 just trying to distring its because there's so many French names. 230 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.360 I don't want to get everyone mixed up. So I'm 231 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.320 saying thug grandfather, which he really wasn't. He was a noble, 232 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.879 but he acted like a thug. He cared nothing about 233 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.279 you know, books or anything of the kind. And of course, 234 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.080 at this age, at eleven, Girdre could speak Latin fluently, 235 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.759 which was at that time that's what the nobles did speak. 236 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.440 And of course the grandfather could barely understand it. He 237 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:31.200 didn't want to speak it, so still had that, you know, 238 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.159 desire to read, which he did as well as the 239 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.039 A Knight. He had that combination within him. 240 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.320 But at the same time there was. 241 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:45.759 Yes, go ahead, no, I was just going to say 242 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:50.519 that because the grandfather really left him to do whatever. 243 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.240 It's sort of is a sign. And you see that 244 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.519 with children today when they are left alone. That is 245 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.799 apparently the worst thing that can happen to a child 246 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.759 is not to have anyone care for him. And he 247 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:06.519 desperately sought his grandfather's affection, which he never got, and 248 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.879 he tried in all sorts of, as you know with 249 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.000 the book, sordid ways to get the grandfather's attention, by 250 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:19.799 beating up servants, by beating up his compatriots, and the 251 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.679 grandfather just never cared, never cared. He was more interested 252 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.480 in acquiring property. 253 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:31.320 You talk about the grandfather, though it's in the book, 254 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.960 you cite an event where he would assemble a mock 255 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.840 court of twelve and thirteen year old boys, and you 256 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:43.399 say this was homosexual in nature so that his grandson 257 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.759 could dominate these twelve and thirteen year old boys. So 258 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:48.679 that's a little bit. 259 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.720 Yeah. No, I don't think he knew that this was 260 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.759 going to be homosexual nature. He just had these boys. 261 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.600 That's how he entertained right, was to bring in these 262 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.879 courtiers as a mock court. But he wouldn't sit there 263 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.360 and watch what was going on. I think what happened 264 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.440 is that, you know, when grandfather wasn't around and some 265 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.000 of the boys said, no, I don't want to be 266 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.960 your servant. You know, I'm equal to you. He was 267 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:17.679 probably very very strong, and he just he bullied them. 268 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.240 I mean, he just bullied them. And the thought is 269 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:24.600 by one of the authors of French author he thinks 270 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.639 that it was all what he did was homosexual in 271 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:28.840 nature with these boys. But I don't think that the 272 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.279 grandfather knew what was going on there. I mean, I 273 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.200 think he just thought that he was probably you know, 274 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:35.120 beating them up. 275 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:37.240 Right. 276 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.600 And you also talk about homosexuality how it was regarded 277 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:46.440 at that time, the previous centuries before that and at 278 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.519 that time, so tell us how it's homosexual he was 279 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:51.320 regarded at that time anyway. 280 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.399 Fascinating in the earlier centuries, up until the twelfth century, 281 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.320 it was accepted. You know, it cared and some of 282 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:04.559 the best right was from many homosexuals. And then suddenly, 283 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.799 somehow this all changed and they began to think that 284 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:12.160 homosexuality was equal to best reality. And you know, this 285 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.799 was performed within the kingdom. You were going to bring 286 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.960 wrath upon the kingdom, so it was frowned upon and 287 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.519 really frowned upon, so that you know, if you were 288 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.519 caught being a homosexual and your third offense, I think 289 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:28.559 they put you to death. Judi of course flaunted his homosexuality. 290 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.839 I think he probably could because of his rank and 291 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:33.880 the fact that he had been such a war hero, 292 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.720 so he could flaunt this. He didn't really flaunt it 293 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.240 when he was young, I mean, you know, he didn't. 294 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.000 I think it was known, but it was only at 295 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:47.119 the castle's it was not publicly known. But as he 296 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.960 got older and he came back from the military, he 297 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:54.599 literally flaunted it. He had no women in his castles. 298 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.759 He excused to have women in his castles, so you know, 299 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.039 his this might be fun to talk about it here. 300 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.440 The grandfather, of course, wanting to have more property for him, 301 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:13.759 married him at sixteen illegally, they dragged this girl who 302 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.000 lived next door. So what do we say lived next door, 303 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:20.400 meaning lived with thousands of acres next door When she 304 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:22.559 was on a ride and her father had just died, 305 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:29.079 and Judira and the thug grandfather and a bunch of 306 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:34.119 their troop took her to a monkst I guess retreat 307 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.599 and he married the two, which was totally illegal at 308 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.240 that time because they were fourth cousins. And then like 309 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.400 two years later or three years later, the sug grandfather 310 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.960 was able to give a huge amount of money to Rome, 311 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.880 and instead of this being the marriage annulled, they then 312 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.960 got married in a huge ceremony because I guess they 313 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.960 were given a nice stipend for all of this in Rome, 314 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.960 so he was married. He hated his wife from the beginning. 315 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.240 He found her to be a total nuisance and really 316 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:11.039 never paid attention to her. It was just absolutely there 317 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.000 a marriage of convenience too, But I think he was 318 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.319 probably just awful to her, as you know, as later 319 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:18.400 turns out, when he came back from the military and 320 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.519 she went running off and they did have a daughter, 321 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.240 they went running off to one of her castles, you know, 322 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:28.160 way away from him. 323 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.480 Now, let's introduce a character that's very important to this 324 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.039 story as well, which is his cousin Roger. And if 325 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.240 I butcher this last name, correct me, please, Roger brief 326 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.319 the Brickville. 327 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.119 You do it very well. That's exact English translation. Yes. 328 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.440 And he came into the family, no, excellent. He came 329 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:50.160 into the family from Normandy when he was a teenager. 330 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:55.519 His father had, as everyone in Normandy did, fought the British, 331 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.559 and all of them were either you know, murdered or 332 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.640 they escaped, and he escaped, his whole family escaped, and 333 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.400 being a cousin, a distant cousin from Normandy, he was 334 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:13.960 taken into the ducreyon Dey household and so he lived 335 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.319 with them ever since he was a teenager. And he 336 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.839 just hated Deray for many reasons. I think because he 337 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.720 was bully, he was a small man, and I think 338 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.160 that he was dominated by J. Deray, dominated all his 339 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:34.039 life and also sexually abused by him. And consequently he 340 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:37.039 was set to get back you know, one, his fortune 341 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.240 that he lost when the British took over his father's castles. 342 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.279 And two I think he realized when Jdray came back 343 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.160 from the military. He really was. He was quite I think, 344 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.799 mentally ill, and he was just going to take advantage 345 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:52.880 of him in any way he could, which he did. 346 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.319 In a way. I think he is the true villain 347 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:01.839 of the story because he had such way over this man, 348 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.519 you know, and instead of helping him in any way, 349 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:06.319 I mean, I know at that time, and that's another 350 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:12.119 story we'll get into about mental illness, but he definitely 351 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.200 saw something that was someone that was weak. You know, 352 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.519 like chickens do in a chicken coop, they know which 353 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:20.880 one is down and they all pick on it. That's 354 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:22.000 exactly what he did. 355 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.039 Yeah, let's let's wait for the PTSD and that complex 356 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:32.000 uh psychology, you know, psychiatric sort of analysis later, because 357 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.039 as we're gonna as people are going to hear about 358 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:38.000 this book and about the times, I mean, I can't 359 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.799 see how everybody wasn't suffering from PTSD actually just living 360 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:42.519 at this time. 361 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.559 So that's why I know, I think they probably were 362 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:50.359 in many ways, you know, brutal time. 363 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.559 Tell us about the hundred tell us about the Hundred 364 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:59.319 Years War just basically and what that really amounted to 365 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.680 in terms of conditions in France, and talk a little 366 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.079 bit about because This is very important too. The barbarity 367 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.079 that the French saw from the English invading and fighting 368 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:10.880 on French soil. 369 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.440 Well, I think, you know, war hasn't changed that much unfortunately, 370 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:20.839 but they definitely, I mean the British were out. What 371 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.480 the one hundred Years War was fought for the crown 372 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:28.839 of France, both the England and France. The King of 373 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:32.240 England and the King of France claimed France. Now the 374 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.599 kings of England where most of them were, you know, 375 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:38.680 descendants of French, the French, so there was there's a 376 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.480 history to it, or they married someone French who was 377 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:44.519 you know, a nobility or more the nobility, even you know, 378 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:49.200 a princess. So it went on for over one hundred years, 379 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.559 different skirmishes. What the British would do is they would 380 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.000 come over and they would do like horse charges where 381 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.839 they would go through villages, burn the village is, kill 382 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:05.200 the people, kill the animals, do whatever they could to 383 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:06.640 frighten the public. 384 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.079 Lucky Land Casino, asking people what's the weirdest place you've 385 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.039 gotten Lucky Lucky in line at the Delhi I. 386 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.720 Guess ahi in my dentist's office more than months, actually. 387 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:18.799 Do I have to say, yes, you do in the 388 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:22.839 car before my kid's PTA meeting. Really yes, excuse me? 389 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.839 What's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky? I never win 390 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:27.000 in tell Well. 391 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:27.359 There you have it. 392 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.240 You could get lucky anywhere playing at lucky Landsloughts dot 393 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.119 com play for free right now? Are you feeling lucky? No, 394 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.240 we're just necessary aoid were my long eighteen plus terms 395 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:36.599 conditions plus you on every details. 396 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.119 Look, they would, you know, if they caught someone, they 397 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:43.680 would impale them on a stake. They roasted people alive. 398 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:46.039 I mean, it just it will remind you very much 399 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:50.079 of isis. It's a very similar primitive way of scaring 400 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:54.119 people into submission. But what it did in France, besides 401 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:58.319