Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
Speaker 1: the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
Speaker 1: a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
Speaker 1: what happens. This episode is brought to you by a
Speaker 1: decanted jug wine, snow days, and frigid temperatures is currently
Speaker 1: sixteen degrees here in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.
Speaker 1: And I am your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Full Circle Table. Burr Yeah, hi baby, Hi, it's it's
Speaker 1: been Yeah. This is like Antarctica or something like. The
Speaker 1: snow is not melting. I mean it's melting, but not
Speaker 1: really like I don't think I've ever seen this quite
Speaker 1: really where it stays so cold that it's not melted
Speaker 1: away after what it's this two weeks that's true.
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen it before because there was a
Speaker 2: lot of snow and it's piled up and it takes
Speaker 2: a lot longer for a big mound to melt than
Speaker 2: little I.
Speaker 1: Know, the mounds, but I'm talking about you know, the
Speaker 1: driveway hasn't even gotten a little wider nothing's melting wack.
Speaker 2: Well, it's all mounds.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's crazy here.
Speaker 2: It's not patches and mounds, just mounds.
Speaker 1: The weather's been cold, restricting travel and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, except I still gotta go to work.
Speaker 1: You still gotta go to work. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not going to know what to
Speaker 2: do with myself when I only have to wear one
Speaker 2: pair of pants.
Speaker 1: Right, it's been really stupidly cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan.
Speaker 1: I just know.
Speaker 2: I always say I had descend from a tropical people.
Speaker 2: This is not my bag, No exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, It's like it was thirty degrees or something
Speaker 1: the other day and it felt warm.
Speaker 2: It really did. I went outside, it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's warm out, and I look to check the temperature
Speaker 2: thing and it was like forty eight fifty two. It
Speaker 2: was thirty.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because we're under like a severe weather advisory.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I was looking at the low temperatures,
Speaker 1: it's going down once again to seven degrees overnight. Seven degrees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I have to say about that. Seven degrees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yesterday we did drive around, we went and sell Kathy
Speaker 1: and it was fourteen degrees. The whole trip.
Speaker 2: Yes, Spur not a huge fan.
Speaker 1: No me either. So it's been a minute.
Speaker 2: It has been a minute. Well, it's been officially two
Speaker 2: weeks since we last.
Speaker 1: Recording, I think. So. Yeah, we're recording here Sunday, February eighth,
Speaker 1: in the year of Someone's Lord, twenty twenty six. Right,
Speaker 1: oh God, so lots has happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, has happened? Is happening going to happen? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we keep saying, this is the design
Speaker 1: to just exhaust you with absurdity. We don't be distracted exactly.
Speaker 2: Eyes on the prize and all that.
Speaker 1: Keep asking for those files.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the unedited ones, and we keep and the stuff
Speaker 2: that I have learned wish I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know, right, you know, the one thing I saw and
Speaker 1: I did not look into this at all, and I
Speaker 1: think we will talk about a story. But doctor Ting,
Speaker 1: who is a renowned gender affirming surgeon and New York
Speaker 1: I believe he works out of Mount Sinai. He is
Speaker 1: apparently named right. There are some emails back and forth
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I've heard a couple of different things
Speaker 1: because so I again I didn't read it myself, but
Speaker 1: Elizabeth and I were on the phone, and she said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, his name came up, and immediately he said, well, yes,
Speaker 1: I knew him. You know, I guess he had done
Speaker 1: some plastic surgery because that is how he started out.
Speaker 1: For either him or others in his circle, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And you know, he was invited to Epstein's Island and
Speaker 1: he said, I went there with my wife and children.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even there, like at no time was I
Speaker 1: ordering up you know, underage sexual partners. Anyway, that's what
Speaker 1: he is saying. And you know, so Elizabeth was just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I wonder how many people are
Speaker 1: peripherally mentioned. And I had seen something similar about JK
Speaker 1: that Shay had said. You know, it's not what people
Speaker 1: are saying. It is as much as we hater, like,
Speaker 1: let's not create news, right because because that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Just because you're mentioned in the Epstein files only means
Speaker 2: that your name came up. It could just be you know,
Speaker 2: documentation of a conversation or an innocuous email like basically
Speaker 2: they're releasing everything.
Speaker 1: Right and and you know this is and then I
Speaker 1: saw like right after that, it did come up, you know,
Speaker 1: on our weekly call and we chatted a bit and
Speaker 1: I just relayed what you know, Elizabeth had said to me.
Speaker 1: But then I saw someone posting on Facebook who should
Speaker 1: know better. You know, if you were planning on going
Speaker 1: to doctor ting, you know, just cancel that surgery and
Speaker 1: go hear here or hear And it's based on what right,
Speaker 1: based on Like again, I you know, I need to
Speaker 1: read more of it, but the thing I'm talking about
Speaker 1: it at the moment is just that immediate. If the
Speaker 1: name is there, right, it must meet. It all means
Speaker 1: the same thing, right.
Speaker 2: Everything doesn't hold the same weight.
Speaker 1: Right, And these are loss and lots of documents. They
Speaker 1: all do not pertain to sex trafficking as far as
Speaker 1: I understand it, because it's like all correspondents right, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So yeah, so I'm sure at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, I don't know, he emailed his plumber,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't hooking the plumber up with thirteen year olds, correct.
Speaker 1: He reserved that for Donald Trump well and others who
Speaker 1: we know that about.
Speaker 2: It's because of all the extra nonsense going on that
Speaker 2: the plumber's attention was necessary, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure, right, And again I didn't read King's statement. But
Speaker 1: you know, the person who I certainly trust who did
Speaker 1: said this all makes perfect sense. You know that unless
Speaker 1: they're proof otherwise, this is entirely plausible. So I just
Speaker 1: don't want to see people, you know, doing that. M
Speaker 1: Yes to say what because he he also solicited him
Speaker 1: for donations to his transgender practice and clinic and all
Speaker 1: of that, right, So that's burning the profits of our oppressors, right,
Speaker 1: one can help, right? So yeah, I just as these
Speaker 1: things come out, and hopefully they do, they're continuing because
Speaker 1: even though that they've passed the legal time when they
Speaker 1: were supposed to be released, you know, so every delay
Speaker 1: is a problem and illegal. But uh, you know that
Speaker 1: we take it in its totality and and you know,
Speaker 1: but try not to comment on things we haven't read.
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, like, take a take a deep breath, right,
Speaker 1: you know, because.
Speaker 2: The ship that actually is being said it is bad enough.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And I'm not saying that a lot of
Speaker 1: it isn't salacious, but it is it is possible that
Speaker 1: all of it isn't right, you know. So, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know any of these people personally.
Speaker 1: I just you know, ching has been a pretty excellent
Speaker 1: surgeon for a long time, you know, for the trans community,
Speaker 1: and to just try to eliminate him from the face
Speaker 1: of the map because his name was mentioned and to
Speaker 1: give him no credence at all seems much. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's a broad brush and things are bad enough that part,
Speaker 1: when we're looking at the truth, we don't need to
Speaker 1: embellish it, and we certainly don't need to create more
Speaker 1: where it's not there. Yeah, And there's something. It was
Speaker 1: something about Jk's yacht or somehow you know. It was
Speaker 1: also evidently from again something I read in passing something innocuous, right, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know she lent him her billion dollar boat
Speaker 1: because his was in the shop. I don't know, something
Speaker 1: like that. But you know, it wasn't more than that
Speaker 1: kind of a something, Right.
Speaker 2: Just because she keeps shitty company doesn't mean that she's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she gives us plenty of reasons to hate her
Speaker 1: without having to manufacture at part. Don't have to manufacture
Speaker 1: a thing that part. Yeah, we have had some some
Speaker 1: notable deaths we have Lord. The first one at the
Speaker 1: end of January, Shirley Rains, Yeah, was fifty eight. She
Speaker 1: had a nonprofit called beauty to the streets. And she
Speaker 1: was well known for distributing food and you know, personal
Speaker 1: care supplies, et cetera to the homeless community on skid
Speaker 1: Row in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I showed you a video of her that I
Speaker 2: came across on social media where she was she had
Speaker 2: like containers take out container of prepared food in bags
Speaker 2: with with napkins and plastic were and everything all tidy
Speaker 2: and together. And she would just stop in an area
Speaker 2: where there's a significant amount of unhoused people and let
Speaker 2: them know she was there, and they would come up
Speaker 2: to the car and she would like, you know, give
Speaker 2: them some food and a and a kind word. And
Speaker 2: it was just a wonderful thing. Like at one point
Speaker 2: she was like, I see you don't have to run.
Speaker 2: I'm not going nowhere, like you know, she it was
Speaker 2: just a beautiful thing. And that's what she that's what
Speaker 2: she dedicated her her.
Speaker 1: Time to, right And I remember, you know, us kind
Speaker 1: of having that side conversation about is this exploiting people?
Speaker 2: You know, like, but it never felt like that to me.
Speaker 1: It didn't when you when you kind of watched her
Speaker 1: interact with folks. And I do believe a lot of
Speaker 1: it was filmed, you know, to to increase both awareness
Speaker 1: and the humanity of these people, as you know, as
Speaker 1: well as to keep the money flowing right to you know,
Speaker 1: make this a bigger and broader effort. She was living
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, I believe, you know, and also active there,
Speaker 1: really surprising to a lot of people. You know, she
Speaker 1: had quite a story on her own. And you know,
Speaker 1: they would offer makeovers and stuff to women, unhoused women
Speaker 1: to help to transform the way the public views the unhoused.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to see watch those videos too, and
Speaker 2: they were beautiful because you'd see these women who like,
Speaker 2: you know, the time they spent on the street, like
Speaker 2: it showed on their face, in the way they carried themselves,
Speaker 2: and once they were able to see themselves on the outside,
Speaker 2: the way they remembered themselves on the inside, it just
Speaker 2: the energy just lifted. It was so beautiful, and you
Speaker 2: know she was able to do that for people. Mean,
Speaker 2: it's not something that a lot of people would do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a wellness check that found her. One
Speaker 1: of her daughters had been trying to get in touch
Speaker 1: with her all day and called in a wellness check. So,
Speaker 1: you know, rest in power there was one quote that
Speaker 1: I had wanted to read. One of the things I
Speaker 1: wanted to do was change the face of homelessness, and
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to do that through hair
Speaker 1: and all these things. She had told People magazine in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But I soon understood we needed to change
Speaker 1: the narrative of what homeless means. Just because they're without
Speaker 1: a home does not mean they're without love. They are homeless,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are not jobless, A lot
Speaker 1: of them are not kidless, phone less, or family less.
Speaker 1: There are many levels of poverty, as there are many
Speaker 1: levels of wealth. Yeah, yeah, so she really did try
Speaker 1: to do some good work. Just it was shocking, you know,
Speaker 1: to a lot of people to hear this because she
Speaker 1: was only fifty eight, I know, which is very young.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm just going to say, especially from where
Speaker 1: I am for real though, Catherine O'Hara, I know this one.
Speaker 2: Hit heard this one hurt me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was seventy one. This was another shock, you know. Again,
Speaker 1: at the end of January, all we know, I think
Speaker 1: still all we know is there was some kind of
Speaker 1: a brief illness and she was taken to the hospital
Speaker 1: where she died. You know, known for Shit's Creek and
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice Home Alone at mockumentaries like Best in Show, where
Speaker 1: she also worked with Eugene Levy.
Speaker 2: She was one of Christopher guests, like consistent players.
Speaker 1: Like her in house. And you know it's funny because
Speaker 1: she did come from Second City TV SCTV, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was Canadian born in Toronto in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the Second City Theater company she had started
Speaker 1: as a waitress there in Toronto, and you know, wound
Speaker 1: up a player. You know. The theater's legendary talent includes
Speaker 1: Stan Ackroyd, Joe Flaherty, and Gilda Radner, yeah, who was
Speaker 1: a family friend. When she auditioned, Flaherty had some discouraging feedback.
Speaker 1: He said, keep up the good work your day job,
Speaker 1: I mean waitressing. Wow wow. Yeah, she had told people
Speaker 1: she didn't listen, and she landed a spot when she
Speaker 1: auditioned again. She joined the company in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1: One of her stage mates at that point was comedian
Speaker 1: Eugene Levy, who would become one of her closest friends
Speaker 1: and collaborators.
Speaker 2: I do think of them together in my head.
Speaker 1: Oh, because they were, you know, in so many things
Speaker 1: to other absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it's uh that hit hard
Speaker 1: for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: She was another one of those people that whatever she
Speaker 2: was in, no matter how good it might have already been,
Speaker 2: was made better by her presence, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I think the first thing I actually remember her from
Speaker 2: is Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember her first? Was that before Home Alone
Speaker 1: or after before? It was before okay.
Speaker 2: And if you don't let me got this house, I
Speaker 2: am going to go crazy and I'm gonna take you
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she always, like every memory I have of her
Speaker 2: brings me joy. You know, everything she was in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know she was. She had quite a career,
Speaker 1: a lot of things that you know, she was well
Speaker 1: known for. She played Oh that's right. Eighty eight was
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice Delia Diets, the stepmother of Wanona Writer's Lydia, right,
Speaker 1: and she reprieved her role in twenty twenty four sequel
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice Beetle Juice.
Speaker 2: Which we still haven't seen, we have not.
Speaker 1: And then it was nineteen ninety when she was cast
Speaker 1: in Home Alone as Macaulay Cockin's Mom, have that right, yes.
Speaker 2: Where she played the worst mother ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well kind kind of. And then she was also
Speaker 1: in Home Alone Too, Lost in New York, The Nightmare
Speaker 1: Before Christmas where she voiced Sally, which I don't even
Speaker 1: think I realized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that, right, because I don't have that
Speaker 2: special love in my heart for Nightmare before Christmas that
Speaker 2: most people do.
Speaker 1: Right, I hear you? You gifted Christian was called the
Speaker 1: gifted Queen of the Bittersweet.
Speaker 2: That is accurate, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It really is. And again, shit's creek. She was Moira Rose,
Speaker 1: which I didn't watch.
Speaker 2: Y'all watched it. I didn't want I.
Speaker 1: Watch some of it. I know, I know I never
Speaker 1: finished it because I want to say, the first couple
Speaker 1: of seasons kind of drag and then it really hits
Speaker 1: its stride, right, and you know how I feel about
Speaker 1: I know and I but I don't think I did
Speaker 1: get past that first season. Maybe, so yeah, maybe we'll revisit.
Speaker 2: I just remember walking into the room and listening to her,
Speaker 2: listen to more Rose talking. I'm like, why does she
Speaker 2: talk like that? What accent is that supposed to be?
Speaker 2: And it don't matter right?
Speaker 1: Right? It was? It was quite a character and cast.
Speaker 1: And uh, who is Eugene Levy's son David Dan Dan Levey, Yes,
Speaker 1: who played her son and was just happened to be
Speaker 1: gay and right, you know.
Speaker 2: Well that was the whole thing about the show that
Speaker 2: you know, it took place in a world where homophobia
Speaker 2: like just didn't exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice.
Speaker 2: Right, So like the premise of it, I found intriguing.
Speaker 2: I just didn't watch it for whatever reason. And the title,
Speaker 2: I still can't believe they were able to get that
Speaker 2: title on TELEVISIH which one Shit's Creek Creek?
Speaker 1: Yeah s h I t T. I did love that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was very funny, that ship's creek made
Speaker 1: up as the title. So yeah, rest in power. Catherine
Speaker 1: O'Hara indeed gone at seventy one.
Speaker 2: And then Demand Wilson.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's like, what is God?
Speaker 2: Why are y'all taking my childhood? Yeah?
Speaker 1: From Sanford and Son. He played Lamont Yeah aka big Dummy,
Speaker 1: Big Dummy. Yes, he died at seventy nine. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe he spent the latter half of his life I
Speaker 1: had read as a minister correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, but he also acted, because I remember the last
Speaker 2: thing I saw him in he played lens biological father
Speaker 2: on Girlfriends.
Speaker 1: Okay, he did have cancer, although I don't think they
Speaker 1: ever revealed the type, and died in his home in
Speaker 1: Palm Springs of complications related to right cancer. It's a shame. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sanford and Son, he.
Speaker 2: Was another one that, like, you know, he just always
Speaker 2: was a welcome presence in everything that he was in.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. He really was. He really was.
Speaker 2: And I related to to to lamont On on Sanford
Speaker 2: and Son, you know, the whole like wanting more for
Speaker 2: yourself no matter where you happen to be from.
Speaker 1: Right, you know. Right. And his actual first name, which
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, was Grady, yeah, Gray. And there
Speaker 1: was the character at a friend of ye Red Sandford,
Speaker 1: who was Grady, right, So I wonder.
Speaker 2: If that was because it's not that common of a name.
Speaker 2: It really is not, so really is not like even then,
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, Sanford AND's son, I did not realize was
Speaker 1: only on between seventy two and seventy seven. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: about six year, six seasons. I guess part of that
Speaker 1: seasons maybe was.
Speaker 2: Red Fox didn't want to be type cast as an
Speaker 2: old man because he wasn't as old as he played.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't was he he was not all.
Speaker 2: That old and he was starting to like get put
Speaker 2: in that box.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: And he was like I still got like host to
Speaker 2: fucking cocaine to snort that I can't be.
Speaker 1: Right right right.
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking out a term by saying that he.
Speaker 1: Was yeah right, I remember he uh, Wanda Page right, Lawanda,
Speaker 1: Lawanda Page? What played his.
Speaker 2: And esther, well, his sister Esther, his wife's sister.
Speaker 1: His dead wife who was because he was I'm coming,
Speaker 1: I'm coming Elizabeth Elizabeth, yes, yes, and apparently and I
Speaker 1: don't remember when I heard this, but she was a
Speaker 1: filthy all my goal. She worked dark Blue.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you that, Midnight Blue. Because I discovered
Speaker 2: on Apple Music all these old old school comedian sets,
Speaker 2: like I discovered Dick Gregory and Red.
Speaker 3: Fox and and and and I came across Lawanda Page
Speaker 3: and I was like, I okay, So when I was
Speaker 3: in college used to buy all these house tapes, and
Speaker 3: there was this one like Triple X house tape, and
Speaker 3: there was a set of hers that was.
Speaker 2: On there, and I was like, Okay, that's nasty, but
Speaker 2: you know I can handle that. It's it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: And then I found an actual comedy album of hers.
Speaker 2: I couldn't listen to the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was too much for me, really, that much.
Speaker 2: I was like, goddamnbility, put the where and the what
Speaker 2: until you fall in the witch and you're wiping it
Speaker 2: from what off your ooh child, I can't I might
Speaker 2: walk past the child, or I want to eat food later.
Speaker 2: I can't listen to them.
Speaker 1: Right, that's funny because not many comedians worked filthy.
Speaker 2: That was a philth a. I have never heard any
Speaker 2: comic more dirty than Lawanda Page.
Speaker 1: And I never knew that.
Speaker 2: And that's that's oh, that's saying some shit.
Speaker 1: I never knew that. But yeah, I remember that. I
Speaker 1: think I think we talked about that when she died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they you know, people were talking about this early.
Speaker 2: Days she also did. She was a talented burlesque performer who.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, they used to call those party albums, I
Speaker 1: think to the comedy albums that were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that album would bring the party to us, screeching,
Speaker 2: fucking usually.
Speaker 1: Right risque, but not right yeah.
Speaker 2: Because like bred Fox, that was a party album. La
Speaker 2: Wanda Age is what you I guess play to let
Speaker 2: people know it's time to go. I don't know, maybe, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: I just always thought it was funny, you know, the innuendo,
Speaker 1: the you know, there was no innuendo. No, that's what Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm gathered. Anyway. Anyway, demand Wilson, Yes,
Speaker 1: gone at seventy nine.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was part of the joke of like why
Speaker 2: his his aunt esther was like this holy roller because
Speaker 2: in real life.
Speaker 1: In real life, she was not not even not even
Speaker 1: not not a bit.
Speaker 2: I mean there was rolling, and there was holes, but
Speaker 2: it was not the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Since since we last sat down to record, there
Speaker 1: was another murder by ice in Minneapolis, a white man
Speaker 1: Saturday the twenty fourth, Yes, a nurse, Alex Freddy. Again
Speaker 1: video there is video footage. He was trying to help
Speaker 1: another woman. He did have a holstered weapon, which he
Speaker 1: told them he had, which he told them he had,
Speaker 1: and which was legal. He had a permit to carry,
Speaker 1: to open carry and you know, remember good guys with
Speaker 1: a gun, remember all that. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2: Saw the video and in the video his hands were
Speaker 2: up and away from that weapon. Then they shot him.
Speaker 1: They were not in danger, No, they were not. This
Speaker 1: was murder. This was homicide execution, Yes, as was the
Speaker 1: last one. Yeah, he was an ICU nurse, thirty seven
Speaker 1: years old. You know, so many lives came out of
Speaker 1: this administration directly after his death, you know. And it
Speaker 1: really is so Orwellian having them basically say, what are
Speaker 1: you going to believe your own eyes or us?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, and so many mega idiots and bots and
Speaker 1: whatever the hell I'm saying on the internet, they will
Speaker 1: take any story and go with it, you know, and
Speaker 1: listen to these absurd justifications and twists and turns and
Speaker 1: then parrot them. And they just keep doing It's what
Speaker 1: they've been doing to trans people this whole time, and
Speaker 1: they've been doing it about that and it's absolutely imporrant.
Speaker 1: What has been interesting in the wake of all this
Speaker 1: is this has put the gun lobby at odds with
Speaker 1: the White House, uh, because you know, they tried to say, well,
Speaker 1: he had a weapon, as if having a weapon is
Speaker 1: a reason to be murdered in the street. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that goes against everything you said you stood for, right.
Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, it didn't work the way they're used
Speaker 2: to it happening when the person that they've killed was black. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just saying, just saying. The actions of Trump's federal agencies
Speaker 2: have drawn fierce criticism, even from former presidents, who traditionally
Speaker 2: do not speak when they're out of office about current policy.
Speaker 2: But Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have both been loud,
Speaker 2: and so has George Bush at times. Yeah, but America
Speaker 2: is a powerful pro gun lobby, the NRA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never thought that I would agree
Speaker 1: with them about anything. They're consistent, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people said, where's the NRAA right? You know, you've got
Speaker 1: a sitting president. Basically he's saying he wants to take
Speaker 1: your guns. He always said it would be a Democrat.
Speaker 1: It's not right, No, it's it's this dude. You all worship,
Speaker 1: but the worship is changing. And you know, we've got
Speaker 1: a couple of stories that kind of show that because
Speaker 1: the way that that elections are going, et cetera, more
Speaker 1: and more people have had it with all this nonsense.
Speaker 2: And then the other people are really like doing yoga
Speaker 2: twists and turns to get themselves behind him at this
Speaker 2: point and still be supportive and say supportive things. It's insane.
Speaker 1: Since his killing, a lot of attention has focused on
Speaker 1: his gun. Carrying a handgun, whether openly or holstered, is
Speaker 1: legal in Minnesota, and Preddie had a license for his gun,
Speaker 1: so he was perfectly within his rights to be carrying it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they never pictured liberals carrying guns, but some of
Speaker 1: us do, right, just like Keith Water. And there is
Speaker 1: nothing to suggest from the footage that he attempted to
Speaker 1: draw it or use it while being tackled by agents.
Speaker 2: But he was letting them know that he had it.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be surprised, right, and also so that you know,
Speaker 2: no one could say, well, they planted it on him, No,
Speaker 2: it's mine, I have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the United States, the right to keep in
Speaker 1: bare arms is the second Amendment of our Constitution. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal to a lot of people, especially
Speaker 1: we thought conservatives. Right. So when various figures in the
Speaker 1: Trump regime suggested that the agents had been justified in
Speaker 1: shooting pretty because he was carrying a holstered weapon, that
Speaker 1: they provoked outrage from gun rights activists. Many of those
Speaker 1: people are usually on the same page as the White House. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not right now. First was FBI direct Cash bettel Ye,
Speaker 1: who told Fox News, you cannot bring a firearm loaded
Speaker 1: with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you
Speaker 1: want dead. Wrong, replied the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus and
Speaker 1: the group Gun Owners of America. You're legally entitled to
Speaker 1: bring a gun to a protest.
Speaker 2: Tell that to Kyle Rittenhouse.
Speaker 1: I know, and you know, their hypocrisy is just on
Speaker 1: full display the more of these things that happened. You know,
Speaker 1: do we all remember them celebrating Kyle Rittenhouse?
Speaker 2: They still are?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And that was totally illegal, cross state lines
Speaker 1: with it. All of that was not okay. But oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they called him a hero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still do.
Speaker 1: He's a hero. What he was was a racist white boy.
Speaker 1: Another one, Yeah, yet another. A Trump appointed district attorney
Speaker 1: waited in arguing, if you approach law enforcement with a gun,
Speaker 1: there is a high likelihood they will beat LEA hadn't
Speaker 1: shooting you? What right? This did draw rebuke from the
Speaker 1: nra M. This sentiment is dangerous and wrong. Responsible public
Speaker 1: voices should be a waiting a full investigation, not making
Speaker 1: generalizations and demonizing law abiding citizens. Yeah, there's abundant video
Speaker 1: evidence that Prettie was not handling his gun. Irresponsibly. He
Speaker 1: was not waving it around, He wasn't threatening anyone, nope.
Speaker 1: In fact, he wasn't even touching it.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: He didn't approach the federal agents they appeared to pile
Speaker 1: on him, yep. And he was disarmed of his holstered
Speaker 1: weapon by one of them before.
Speaker 2: That was the other thing.
Speaker 1: He was killed.
Speaker 2: He had his hands away from his weapon the entire
Speaker 2: time they took it off of him and then shot.
Speaker 4: Him executions now, yeah, yeah, remember that tyrannical government that
Speaker 4: guns were supposed to protect us from.
Speaker 1: I don't yet. Yep. Y'all are part of it. That's
Speaker 1: the problem. You've aligned yourselves with said tyrannical government. So
Speaker 1: what a conundrument must be for you?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you all sort that out. It's been
Speaker 1: an interesting conversation. We've got more about the Minnesota situation
Speaker 1: to shake up, et cetera. What I have seen come
Speaker 1: out of this is just community. Oh, you know, citizens
Speaker 1: everyday citizens banding together, you know, going to the grocery
Speaker 1: store for one another, or taking children to and from school.
Speaker 1: For those who are afraid of the ice occupation and
Speaker 1: afraid of being picked up in the streets. So we've
Speaker 1: seen citizens really, you know, band together and build community.
Speaker 1: And again I always say to let's look at the
Speaker 1: responses to the ugly.
Speaker 2: And community is frequently and often formed in times of strife.
Speaker 2: It is, It's true, and if not formed, then strengthened.
Speaker 1: Community like art is often formed in times of strife.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and come back with some
Speaker 1: good news, because we've got quite a bit of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back, and we're back. We're back good news.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about good news. I'll let you strive.
Speaker 2: So this year marks the one hundredth anniversary of basically
Speaker 2: the celebration of Black history. In nineteen twenty six, Carter G. Woodson,
Speaker 2: also known as the Father of Black History, founded Negro History.
Speaker 1: Week, Okay, in February.
Speaker 2: And I think that that is amazing because Black History,
Speaker 2: of course is twenty four seven, three sixty five. But
Speaker 2: the idea of celebrating the achievements of black people in
Speaker 2: America and worldwide is you know, being one hundred years old.
Speaker 2: That's kind of amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not new and important, more important now than ever.
Speaker 1: This was an Out in New Jersey article from February seventh,
Speaker 1: New Jersey yesterday, Right, New Jersey's illustrious history of Black
Speaker 1: LGBTQ CO.
Speaker 2: I know I saw this. I was like a word.
Speaker 2: I knew.
Speaker 1: Marsha P. Johnson I believe was born in yes, like
Speaker 1: Patterson or something or Elizabeth somewhere up there. But who
Speaker 1: else do we have here?
Speaker 2: Okay? So there's Gladys Bentley, gifted pianist and blues singer
Speaker 2: who was among the most notorious and successful African American
Speaker 2: lesbians of the Harlem Renaissance. Oh yeah, she briefly lived
Speaker 2: in Jersey, married her white girlfriend in a civil ceremony
Speaker 2: in Atlantic City. Oh she did not give a fuck
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nineteen thirty one in Atlantic Cudy, how about that.
Speaker 2: At a time when anti misagination laws.
Speaker 1: With the law of the land. Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Same sex marriage would not be federally recognized until twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: So yeah, they didn't give a fuck. Between McCarthyism and
Speaker 2: the Black Church, she came under fire. Purportedly, the Black
Speaker 2: Church basically forced her to conform and to embrace her
Speaker 2: respect ability. She was reported to have taken female hormones
Speaker 2: to cure her lesbianism. She published an article in Ebony
Speaker 2: magazine declaring, I am a woman again shortly after she
Speaker 2: married a man sixteen years her junior.
Speaker 1: YEA, what the fuck I mean? Yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: just a hormone thing.
Speaker 2: Right before James Baldwin, there was Richard Bruce Nugent, known
Speaker 2: simply as Bruce, who was a writer and a painter
Speaker 2: who stood in stark defiance of black bourgeois respectability, politics,
Speaker 2: and the ideology of racial uplift. Unapologetically out and proudly gay.
Speaker 2: Nugent's brashness challenged norms in both mainstream American society and
Speaker 2: within Black communities. I Love It. He produced some of
Speaker 2: the earliest American literature to depict homosexuality, bisexuality, and interracial
Speaker 2: desire in affirming ways. Oh His nineteen twenty six short
Speaker 2: story Smoke, Lily's and Jade predates Baldwin's nineteen fifty six
Speaker 2: Giovanni's by three decades Smoke, Lilies and Jade That is
Speaker 2: a foundational queer black piece. And renowned Philadelphia choreographer Zane
Speaker 2: Booker had a very popular black and queer focused dance
Speaker 2: and art showcase in Philly called Smoke Lilies and Jade,
Speaker 2: which is where I first heard the title, right, And
Speaker 2: then I found out that that was I found out
Speaker 2: about the literary work. And now I see how that
Speaker 2: all all ties in.
Speaker 1: How about them? Yeah, he spent his final years in Hoboken,
Speaker 1: so that is his tie to New Jersey apparently. And
Speaker 1: then the other person mentioned in the article, Whitney Houston.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, everybody knew Whitney Houston was queer. Everybody knew.
Speaker 1: Everybody that knew her knew, right, I mean it was
Speaker 1: not it was an open secret. But but she.
Speaker 2: Wasn't allowed to be herself a right.
Speaker 1: That is correct. She was posthumously outed in the more
Speaker 1: a Song for You in My Life with Whitney Houston
Speaker 1: by Robin Crawford, and Robin was famously the family basically
Speaker 1: sent her away. Yeah, h they should just let her
Speaker 1: hang out because Whitney was way better off. But it
Speaker 1: was you know, they killed the goose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a popular opinion, especially popular on this show. If
Speaker 2: they would have allowed her to be herself, she would
Speaker 2: probably still be alive.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. But now yeah, now, Bobby Brown did write
Speaker 1: about Houston's lesbianism as an open secret. He told you weekly,
Speaker 1: I really feel that if Robin was accepted into Whitney's life,
Speaker 1: Whitney would still be alive today. And that's Bobby Brown,
Speaker 1: right saying that, and it's true. Right, you know, I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot of people say that, and I agree
Speaker 1: with that that, you know, if they would have just
Speaker 1: let them be because she was happy? Right? But no, mm, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have so many stories anyway, Let's keep going because
Speaker 1: there's so much here. I did, you know, just as
Speaker 1: a follow up to the story about Renee Good, who
Speaker 1: was also murdered in Minneapolis, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner
Speaker 1: classified her death as a homicide. I thought it was
Speaker 1: important to note that.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I mean du, but it's official.
Speaker 1: DU. But yeah, it's official, and I believe I just
Speaker 1: heard he was listed that way as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what else we got? Amy Klobuchar is launching a
Speaker 1: bid for Minnesota as Minnesota governor. She is an ally,
Speaker 1: so that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: I'll take that.
Speaker 1: She said, I love my job in the Senate, but
Speaker 1: I love our state more than any job. She announced
Speaker 1: that she because Tim Walls recently said he would not
Speaker 1: seek a third term. Right, I guess he could, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like. But he he said he
Speaker 1: will not be doing that. So she is running and
Speaker 1: I could see that.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, she has a shot.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. For sure. So that's some good news. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Oh here, water's what this was listed in them. February two,
Speaker 1: a federal court ruled that requiring the use of trans
Speaker 1: students pronouns does not violate the First Amendment. Adah Well,
Speaker 1: a Christian substitute teacher, first sued the school for having
Speaker 1: to use a transstudent's pronouns in twenty twenty four. This
Speaker 1: is a Maryland school district, and they can still now
Speaker 1: require staff to use trans students' personal pronouns, according to
Speaker 1: a federal appeals court ruling, And so the claim from
Speaker 1: the Christian person one First Amendment grounds was denied. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On January twenty eighth, i' three remember panel of the
Speaker 1: Fourth US Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a previous district
Speaker 1: court decision against Kimberley Polk, who first sued Montgomery County
Speaker 1: Public Schools in twenty twenty four. I am sure she
Speaker 1: had applied for a religious exemption from this policy, and
Speaker 1: good it was later withdrawn. Apparently it was going to
Speaker 1: be good later withdrawn as it should have been by
Speaker 1: the compliance coordinator. She asked for an injunction so that
Speaker 1: she could continue to teach, and they denied that. She
Speaker 1: appealed to the Fourth Circuit that was denied. It was
Speaker 1: a two to one decision.
Speaker 2: Everywhere she went she was rejected.
Speaker 1: Right, But you know, this is probably one that they
Speaker 1: want to take to the Supreme Court because they expect
Speaker 1: a different result there. So Judge Robert B. King, who
Speaker 1: was a Clinton appointee, wrote for the majority of folks,
Speaker 1: free speech claim fails before she can break out of
Speaker 1: the gate. Good, Yeah, there was a dissent. Fucking of
Speaker 1: course they may appeal because you know culture wars anyway, right,
Speaker 1: what's what she lost? So at least in some instances
Speaker 1: the courts are holding The Texas and M senior lecturer
Speaker 1: who was fired for acknowledging that trans people exist, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: is fighting back. She has filed a lawsuit accusing the
Speaker 1: chief of staff of Greg Arrant of pressuring the university's
Speaker 1: now resigned president, Mark A. Welsh, the third to fire her,
Speaker 1: and also accused A and M's supervisors of telling university
Speaker 1: Provost Alan Sam's not to give her a required disciplinary
Speaker 1: hearing before her termination, So there were several missteps. She said,
Speaker 1: there's no satisfaction in doing this, only sadness. I hear
Speaker 1: that right, the fact that you have to do it
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. I had hoped to keep doing this
Speaker 1: work for many years to come despite how I was treated.
Speaker 1: I still love the institution, my former colleagues, and the
Speaker 1: students of A and M. So Yeah. She says that
Speaker 1: she was fired even though she did not violate any
Speaker 1: law or university policy. She was terminated for exercising her
Speaker 1: academic freedom guaranteed under the First Amendment. That is what
Speaker 1: her lawsuit states. She seeks reinstatement to her position, punitive damages,
Speaker 1: back pay, another restitution good good. She is a member
Speaker 1: of the American Association of University Professors and the American
Speaker 1: Federation of Teachers, who are also covering her legal fees. Quote.
Speaker 1: Doctor mccoole's firing was the canary in the coal mine
Speaker 1: for Texas University. This is Brian Evans, president of the
Speaker 1: AAUP Texas Conference. They had a chance to stand up
Speaker 1: to the politicians seeking to meddle in Texas universities and
Speaker 1: instead they caved. Yep, sure, yep, and yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a student who recorded her and told her A Christian
Speaker 1: conservative student secretly recorded a class conversation where the student
Speaker 1: told her it was not legal to teach about gender
Speaker 1: ideology because according to our president, there's only two genders
Speaker 1: and mcool was actually teaching a course on children's literature
Speaker 1: that included mention of trans individuals. She told the student
Speaker 1: that if they were uncomfortable, they had the right to
Speaker 1: leave and to discuss their complaint with the department head.
Speaker 1: The student then recruited their subsequent conversation with Welsh, in
Speaker 1: which the student demanded that McCall be fired. Welsh refused
Speaker 1: and explained that the university's courses include LGBTQ plus content
Speaker 1: to train future educators and counselors who may work with
Speaker 1: individuals different from themselves. That was right, Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: it all went to home.
Speaker 2: The thing that it just jumped into my head And
Speaker 2: this is the question that I have asked many times,
Speaker 2: but I'm asking it again. Do stupid people know they're stupid?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: That whole ignorance is bliss thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of because goddamn right. Yeah. Last November, the
Speaker 1: university System's Board of Regents unanimously approved a new policy
Speaker 1: requiring the presidents of each of its twelve statewide campuses
Speaker 1: to sign off on any course that could be seen
Speaker 1: as advocating for race and gender ideology or topics related
Speaker 1: to sexual orientation or gender identity. What the actual fund
Speaker 1: that word ideology? Just y'a don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1: I know, I think that they're afraid that people will.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not creating enough bullies, I guess right,
Speaker 1: if there's the chance that they may learn information, it's
Speaker 1: incredible empathy, bad empathy, bad diversity, bad women, bad trans people, bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything that isn't them.
Speaker 2: Craziness, like they're so goddamn great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. England's official LGBTQ Fans group will not attend the
Speaker 1: FIFA World Cup Games in unsafe US. Hey yep, huh.
Speaker 1: This was published January eighteenth. This is actually published the
Speaker 1: last time I recorded Three Lions Pride.
Speaker 2: Do you know how bad things have to be for
Speaker 2: queer folks to not want to go look at soccer players?
Speaker 1: Huh? I'm just saying, yeah, it's a three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty member group, the official supporters group of the England
Speaker 1: football team, announced that they would not have a visible
Speaker 1: presence at the twenty twenty six World Cup in the
Speaker 1: United States, citing serious concern over fan safety, human rights
Speaker 1: and they approach to ticketing and accessibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until y'all fix this shit, and I'm doing a
Speaker 2: general sweeping gesture, we will not be attending. I imagine
Speaker 2: that's a chunk of revenue.
Speaker 1: Do you blame them? Hell no, I mean, do you
Speaker 1: remember when this the first time this bullshit came about.
Speaker 1: It was in North Carolina about you know, trans folk
Speaker 1: and bathrooms, right, and it was a disaster and they
Speaker 1: realized quickly it was a disaster and they were going
Speaker 1: to lose revenue and they were going to lose conferences
Speaker 1: and everything else. And a lot of corporations hammered them
Speaker 1: for it at that time. And that is happening right
Speaker 1: by the way. It still is happening. Like a lot
Speaker 1: less is going on in Florida these days because of
Speaker 1: these rules. You know, when your employees can't go to
Speaker 1: a conference because you know you're going to arrest them
Speaker 1: when they have to be. It's not a welcoming state
Speaker 1: for you know, business, right exactly. So, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was what happened with same things. So this is
Speaker 1: not a surprise at all because there is there seems
Speaker 1: to be sanity outside this country. Yeah. I can't blame them, right.
Speaker 2: Not even a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah that's saying something, you know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so especially considering you know, they're not going
Speaker 2: to put this in the brochure. But you know, there's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of people who go to soccer games
Speaker 2: and rugby games just to look at the players. Couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you a shit about the game.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna go Now.
Speaker 2: I've been saying if every queer person were to like
Speaker 2: remove themselves from like so much of mainstream society, it's
Speaker 2: on masks, and you realize exactly how many people that
Speaker 2: is y'all might pay attention.
Speaker 1: But you know, this was just kind of fun and
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention it. Chris Mattel or Matal, was
Speaker 1: the Republican trial or running for governor in Minnesota, and
Speaker 1: he dropped out of the race, yep, citing the violence.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, the federal immigration agent's actions in
Speaker 1: the state are unconstitutional. They've gone too far, and he
Speaker 1: said I could note he could no longer be a
Speaker 1: part of a party that excuses them. Right, good for him, Like,
Speaker 1: I ain't getting involved with that, thank you. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: this again a lot of so much of this is Look,
Speaker 1: this is well beyond parties, folks. This is really about
Speaker 1: you know, morality, decency. Yeah, way way past political parties.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he ended his campaign, did not. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had just launched his bit in December.
Speaker 2: I guess it's hard to like be governor and be
Speaker 2: out in the streets protesting ice at the same time.
Speaker 5: M h.
Speaker 1: Yeah. His decision came after Trump's immigration goons, I'm reading
Speaker 1: from the Daily Curs shot and killed a second American
Speaker 1: citizen who had been filming ices violent and unconstitutional tactics. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was interesting, right good. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you can be a Republican and be a person of
Speaker 1: any kind of conscience at all. Well, part like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just they've been stripping themselves for quite some time
Speaker 1: of decency, you know, because they're left with the dregs
Speaker 1: of the religious right right and all of the insanity
Speaker 1: that that entails. And it's a lot and that's basically
Speaker 1: who's running this party at this point. So I do
Speaker 1: want to point out that, and this was also in January,
Speaker 1: the Democrats successfully stripped all anti trans riders from the
Speaker 1: final appropriations bills. The HHS and Education bills once contained
Speaker 1: the most sweeping anti trans provisions in congressional history, and
Speaker 1: now they contain none. So good. That was impressive that
Speaker 1: they got it all taken out of there. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was great. I wanted to just mention that that happened beautiful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was starting to look really ridiculous for the moment.
Speaker 1: We can breathe for the moment. Yeah. I mean, this
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we're not still targets, but at least
Speaker 1: in terms of everything, all the bullshit that they put
Speaker 1: into appropriations, that's gone right, and it shouldn't be there
Speaker 1: in the first place. It's got nothing to do with appropriations.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's a win. I'll take it. I
Speaker 1: thought that was good news. Indeed, I also wanted to
Speaker 1: point out I love to quote Fox News polls, I
Speaker 1: really do.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do.
Speaker 1: It was a Fox newspoll done that tells US Americans
Speaker 1: prefer Democrats on transgender issues by twenty two points. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Virtually every subgroup surveyed, from mothers to black voters to
Speaker 1: even rural white voters, expressed greater confidence in the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party's handling of transgender issues in their latest polis January thirtieth.
Speaker 1: I'm reading from.
Speaker 2: Because Democrats go by facts and shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anti transgender politics appears to be losing steam with
Speaker 1: American voters. That trend was already visible in November, when
Speaker 1: multiple candidates who centered their campaigns on anti trans messaging
Speaker 1: were soundly defeated despite spending enormous sums on attack ads.
Speaker 1: Now there is fresh evidence from an unlikely source where
Speaker 1: voters say Democrats have a better approach to transgender issues
Speaker 1: by a wide margin. This year's long anti trans panic
Speaker 1: may finally be wearing thin among voters. It has been right.
Speaker 1: This is not voters wanting this shit. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, some of them do get all
Speaker 1: lathered up, But by and large, it's not the public
Speaker 1: that's doing this. It's the pedophiles in the Republican Party
Speaker 1: that have been doing this right, and they're no buddies.
Speaker 2: We can just get folks to act right when they're
Speaker 2: actually voting right.
Speaker 1: The children's genital fetishists of the GOP. You know, that's
Speaker 1: been the problem. And you know, it is like becoming
Speaker 1: a not not just not a winning strategy, it's becoming
Speaker 1: a losing strategy. So yeah, but what do they have
Speaker 1: if they're not you know, what else are they going
Speaker 1: to focus on actually governing? That'll never happen.
Speaker 2: They don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: They don't know how to do it. Well, they never
Speaker 1: really did. I mean, you know, small government, drown it
Speaker 1: in a bathtub. We haven't had much governing out of
Speaker 1: the Republican Party since the eighties.
Speaker 2: Way, what was that line in Hamilton? They don't have
Speaker 2: a plan. They just don't like.
Speaker 1: Mine exactly exactly. And they still don't right, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and their bullshit is wearing sin. But you know,
Speaker 1: I thought that the results were really interesting. I would
Speaker 1: like you to post this in the notes. That's from
Speaker 1: Aaron Reid Aaron in the Morning. Because it's fun. It's
Speaker 1: fun to look at Yeah, yeah, I love it when
Speaker 1: they're the ones who do the polls.
Speaker 2: And yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Oh more water is wet. By the way, this has
Speaker 1: just been coming out of the last few days. New
Speaker 1: research shows trans women have no athletic advantage over SUS
Speaker 1: gender women.
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Really?
Speaker 1: A landmark scientific review published this week or last week,
Speaker 1: I guess, has delivered one of the clearest messages yet
Speaker 1: in the global debate over trans inclusion in sports. Trans
Speaker 1: women do not demonstrate advantages over cis gender women after
Speaker 1: undergoing gender affirming hormone therapy. The findings, drawn from an
Speaker 1: extensive analysis of existing research, directly challenge widely repeated claims
Speaker 1: lies used to justify bans on transathletes. And most of
Speaker 1: the time, there aren't any transathletes to ban, or there's
Speaker 1: one or two, right maybe. The study was read by
Speaker 1: researchers at the University of Sal Paulo, and it was
Speaker 1: reviewed more than fifty studies, encompassing data from six four
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five individuals, including nearly three thousand trans women.
Speaker 1: This large scale review examined a range of metrics, including
Speaker 1: body composition, strengths measures, and cardiovascular fitness before and after
Speaker 1: hormone treatment. Researchers found that while transgender women may retain
Speaker 1: differences in lean body mass compared with cisgender women, these
Speaker 1: differences do not translate into superior athletic performance. Damn it Instead,
Speaker 1: physical fitness indicators such as upper and lower body strength
Speaker 1: and maximal oxygen consumption converge closely with those of cisgender
Speaker 1: women within one, two, three years of hormone therapy yepe.
Speaker 1: These findings counter the long standing assumption that trans women
Speaker 1: inherently outperforms CIS women in sports contexts. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: disagree that that's a long standing assumption. I disagree because
Speaker 1: you know, we had things in place. This was not
Speaker 1: some hotly debated topic until Republicans made it one.
Speaker 2: That's this is true.
Speaker 1: Nobody was talking about it. You know when when Leah
Speaker 1: Thomas was swimming, you know, the rules were already there
Speaker 1: for her to.
Speaker 2: Follow, and she was following them, and she was following them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But you know, losers got gotta makes any anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I disagree with that particular sentence here. But evidence also
Speaker 1: demonstrates that functional performance, the type of performance that determines
Speaker 1: athletic competitiveness, is comparable across groups. Despite differences in raw
Speaker 1: muscle mass or body fat distribution, trans women show no
Speaker 1: significant differences in upper body strength, lower body strength, or
Speaker 1: aerobic capacity when compared with CIS gender women. Following sustained
Speaker 1: hormone therapy. This holds true even in studies involving thousands
Speaker 1: of participants, adding weight to the conclusion that physiological changes
Speaker 1: induced by gender affirming care effectively level the playing field.
Speaker 1: H yeah, we know we've been saying. And importantly, this
Speaker 1: new review challenges policy approaches that rely on claims of
Speaker 1: enduring male puberty advantage. While some anatomical traits such as
Speaker 1: height or skeletal dimensions do not change with hormone therapy,
Speaker 1: the researchers note that the current evidence does not support
Speaker 1: the idea that these traits provide meaningful or measurable sports
Speaker 1: related benefits for trans women after their physiology has shifted
Speaker 1: in response to treatment. I can tell you I can't
Speaker 1: open jars like, I can't live half the shit I
Speaker 1: used to be able to you, and I don't know
Speaker 1: a girl who can yet just magically, like we notice
Speaker 1: the difference. We can tell you a lot of shit changes.
Speaker 2: Of course, it changes, and I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 2: I don't get a little joy out of it sometimes. Sure,
Speaker 2: I'll do that for your wife of mine and.
Speaker 1: Which I love, because otherwise what the fuck would I
Speaker 1: be doing? I would be I don't know, breaking open jars,
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? I don't throw them on the floor,
Speaker 1: and then hope I don't get but yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I'll get that for you, little lady.
Speaker 1: We have no we've known this stuff, and you know
Speaker 1: I do. Keep saying. One of the upsides to these
Speaker 1: unintended consequences to these blithering idiots, Yeah, blathering idiots either, right.
Speaker 2: That both are acceptable.
Speaker 1: Good is that we are seeing more studies. We are
Speaker 1: seeing people trying to prove these things, and they're disproving
Speaker 1: them because they were never true in the first place,
Speaker 1: you know, so start getting cozy with the fact that
Speaker 1: you've been lied to. Right, We're not the one is
Speaker 1: lying correct about us or our healthcare, or we're not
Speaker 1: the ones telling you the lies. We are not. Our
Speaker 1: agenda is to survive. That's our agenda, not to fuck
Speaker 1: with anybody.
Speaker 2: Sidebar, What would you do if I actually referred to
Speaker 2: you was a little lady?
Speaker 1: Don't?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: It's condescending. Well, yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's condescending us.
Speaker 2: That's always like I was jokes, Oh what would I
Speaker 2: It's bad enough when I feel like I'm being referred
Speaker 2: to as little lady.
Speaker 1: Who within the words are unspoken. I don't need them said.
Speaker 2: I mean, I never would. I was just curious because like,
Speaker 2: that's not a thing that's ever come up in our house.
Speaker 2: So I was curious.
Speaker 1: No, but we've had that argument once or twice where
Speaker 1: I'm like, when did I lose brain cells? When did
Speaker 1: I my IQ didn't go down? You know, And it's
Speaker 1: it is a topic of conversation sometimes. In fact, there's
Speaker 1: a ted talk about it, a trans women talking about
Speaker 1: I was not prepared for my little lowering of my IQ.
Speaker 1: I was not prepared for, you know, men to look
Speaker 1: right past me and yeah, it's always fun. And and
Speaker 1: the women who do it too, because the misogyny is
Speaker 1: not oh the exclusive probio of men.
Speaker 2: Any orange juice is not just for breakfast anymore. Exactly,
Speaker 2: there are not just for the meno.
Speaker 1: My former supervisor is one of them. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm sorry you hate women, but yeah, fun, yeah,
Speaker 1: So what are is wet trans women? You know, again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play your sports. I have never
Speaker 1: wanted to play your sports. You can all go fuck yourself,
Speaker 1: but some girls do and you know, and again, like
Speaker 1: that was the whole point to Leah Thomas, and we
Speaker 1: went so far beyond the facts with all of that,
Speaker 1: and then you've got institutions capitulating to this garbage, not
Speaker 1: to the science, not to the truth. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: penn amended their policy and fuck them, you know, based
Speaker 1: on historical jackasses like Riley Gaines, you know, like, ugh,
Speaker 1: just do We're going to take another break and then
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Okay, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: It's time, yay for our favorite segment. Well, good news
Speaker 1: can be my favorite segment, but this one's still delicious.
Speaker 1: It's never going to stop being so no no, and
Speaker 1: chickens are roosting like nobody's business. It's time for people
Speaker 1: taking pleasure real main yay.
Speaker 2: So morale is plummeting among ice agents over long hours, quotas,
Speaker 2: and public hatred.
Speaker 1: According to a new report.
Speaker 2: You don't get to be a sad nazi.
Speaker 1: Know what else? I heard? A lot of them were
Speaker 1: promised to fifty thousand dollars bonus.
Speaker 2: Oh you the signing bonus.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Oh, they didn't get it.
Speaker 1: Or they're not getting all of it, or they're still
Speaker 1: waiting for it. Imagine that working for Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: not getting I.
Speaker 2: Was disco racing. Are you trying to tell me that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump renigged on a financial a financial agreement that
Speaker 2: he said he would honor. Many have grown disillusioned with
Speaker 2: leadership's tactics. Boys, that's so sad.
Speaker 1: The morales plummeting among federal law enforcement officers tasked was
Speaker 1: carrying out the Trump administration's aggressive anti immigration operation, as
Speaker 1: they complained that long hour's ambitious arrest quotas and hatred
Speaker 1: from the public. Oh he let them out of jail.
Speaker 1: These are the insurrectionists, you know, like they're a chunk
Speaker 1: of this. The people that think this way, these morons,
Speaker 1: these these fucking bullies. All yeah, you thought we were
Speaker 1: going to celebrate you for this ugly shit. Really, you
Speaker 1: don't get to by delusional.
Speaker 2: You don't get to be this the sad Gestapo.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. I know. While they said that they supported
Speaker 1: the administration's goals, many of them have grown disillusioned with
Speaker 1: the tactics being implemented by leadership. Mm hmm. More than
Speaker 1: twenty current and former immigration officials told The New York
Speaker 1: Times of their discontent in the hours following the fatal
Speaker 1: shooting of Alex Pretty It was the second deadly shooting
Speaker 1: of a US citizen carried out by a federal agent
Speaker 1: in you know what two three weeks time. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A former immigration officer and special agent told The Times,
Speaker 1: you're not addressing the problem by throwing a five hundred
Speaker 1: pound gorilla into these inner cities. They're causing chaos, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's costing lives. Yeah, that's all they're doing. Uh
Speaker 1: huh uh huh. It's completely unfair to the agents, oh Asia,
Speaker 1: who have been put in this position. There's only so
Speaker 1: much they can handle before bad things start to happen.
Speaker 1: So they're untrained, right, There's.
Speaker 2: Only so much they can handle in the situation that
Speaker 2: they create before bad things start to happen as a
Speaker 2: result of their own actions. Yeah, what's a sad circle jerk?
Speaker 2: Called a sad circle jerk?
Speaker 1: I don't know what? What do we call that?
Speaker 2: The old tug and saw?
Speaker 1: I don't know, sab I was thinking a will to
Speaker 1: daisy chain?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, okay, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that all there?
Speaker 2: Fuck them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Border Patrol agents have been assisting Ice with raids
Speaker 1: and deployed to support amid the protests. What's it, Greg? Great? Bevino,
Speaker 1: who will get to previously described the age and these
Speaker 1: tactics of arresting individuals rapidly before protesters can move in
Speaker 1: as turn and burn. He ever, saw operations in Chicago
Speaker 1: where agents deployed tear gas in neighborhoods and hit protesters
Speaker 1: with pepper balls. These tactics were far outside standard practices
Speaker 1: and law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, morale is in the dumpster. H huh where the
Speaker 1: rest of them below? It's almost like it's not fun
Speaker 1: to be announcing. It's almost like, what did you did
Speaker 1: you really think people were going to be happy with
Speaker 1: the work you're doing?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Did you really like you really saw it? Everybody was
Speaker 1: going to call you a hero? See? This is I
Speaker 1: guess the problem with echo chambers, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: if the people left willing to even speak with you
Speaker 1: because of your ridiculous part politics are few and far between.
Speaker 1: You think everyone's going to praise you because many of
Speaker 1: you belong in jail. It's just because your criminal in
Speaker 1: chief decided to stop calling you criminals. It's like disgusting.
Speaker 2: Really, I spent thirteen years in Catholic school, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was a goth for a while, so you know,
Speaker 2: I read a lot of you know, Catholic themed literature
Speaker 2: and artwork, and I will say I've never come across
Speaker 2: a depiction of Satan's minions when they were smiling.
Speaker 1: So it just you know, senior Trump officials were quick
Speaker 1: to blame the victim pretty for the violence, painting him
Speaker 1: as an individual who wanted to do maximum damage and
Speaker 1: massacre law enforcement before an investigation had even taken place,
Speaker 1: and Christy known that waste Off faced many costs to
Speaker 1: resign after she claimed that he brandished a weapon before
Speaker 1: an officer fired defensive shots straightforward. Yeah there's a video.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, it's a disgusting job. You know,
Speaker 1: it really is. And I'm sorry, but you know, when
Speaker 1: you are terrorizing American citizens, I think you need to
Speaker 1: rethink your life. Is that really what you got into
Speaker 1: this for? Is it because you know you will have
Speaker 1: to answer for this shit?
Speaker 2: Probably right? And if you're not even getting the thirty
Speaker 2: pieces of silver you were promised, then you're selling your
Speaker 2: soul for nothing.
Speaker 1: I know, imagine that morale is what did you fucking expect?
Speaker 1: What did you think? What happened?
Speaker 2: My kids won't hug me, my wife won't fuck me.
Speaker 2: My dog shot on my shoe, My pillow ain't soft.
Speaker 1: No mom, All right? I mean kids are outing their
Speaker 1: parents m as ice agents. I love it on social media, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't that make you think? Apparently not? You know,
Speaker 1: once you're gone, you're just gone. I guess what did
Speaker 1: We just saw a former friend who has lost his
Speaker 1: ever loving mind posting, you know, celebrating.
Speaker 2: His daughter happened to post.
Speaker 1: And daughter shared it and said, you know, be sure
Speaker 1: to pick it the you know, protest against the radio stations.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that's how you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, and I thought, poor her, you know,
Speaker 1: because that was a lovely family. I mean, they are
Speaker 1: the kids still are the kids have not lost their
Speaker 1: minds exactly. Yeah, she their mother has not lost her mind,
Speaker 1: but boy is he. And so you know, as I
Speaker 1: sit here asking these rhetorical questions, I know, I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but they're sad and
Speaker 1: I think they should be.
Speaker 5: So m hm.
Speaker 1: That's why I put it here. So it's just fun.
Speaker 1: And I loved the headline because we know, what is it?
Speaker 1: Gregory Bovino, the jackass who was in charge until two
Speaker 1: people were murdered and he got pulled out, and Tom
Speaker 1: what's his face is now running things anyway. The headline
Speaker 1: in the Daily Beast reads, border goonicked out of Las
Speaker 1: Vegas bar to maintain safety. Uh huh. Yeah, he's developing
Speaker 1: a habit of getting kicked out of places where he's
Speaker 1: worn out. He's welcome. Just days after Gregory Bavino, the
Speaker 1: CBP's a Commander at Large, was pulled out of Minnesota
Speaker 1: by MP after overseeing a violent street immigration sweep that
Speaker 1: last month led to the fatal shootings of two Americans.
Speaker 1: He was kicked out of a Las Vegas bar to
Speaker 1: keep its patrons safe. The bar is called the Bottle
Speaker 1: Blonde in Vegas, and they told The Daily Beast that
Speaker 1: staff asked him to leave the sports bar where he
Speaker 1: had been photographed drinking red wine with some young boys,
Speaker 1: a group of male accolytes is what it says, and
Speaker 1: they escorted him off the premise to protect those inside. Yep,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: We don't cater to your kind here.
Speaker 1: I exactly, exactly. Yeah, he's been stripped of his role
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, and I guess he thought he was going
Speaker 1: to go have a good time in Vegas, but they
Speaker 1: went get out. Bottle Blonde does not engage in political
Speaker 1: activity or affiliations. As a private business, Bottle Blonde reserves
Speaker 1: the right to refuse service to any patron at its discretion,
Speaker 1: the Venue said in a statement. Upon becoming aware of
Speaker 1: the individual's presence, the patron was asked to leave the
Speaker 1: premises and was escorted out by staff in accordance with
Speaker 1: venue policy to maintain a safe and orderly environment for
Speaker 1: all patrons.
Speaker 2: After a full week of stripping people from their homes
Speaker 2: and breaking up families and murdering innocent civilians, you just
Speaker 2: want to kick your feet up and have a good time,
Speaker 2: And they said no, not here.
Speaker 1: The White House sent him back to his old El
Speaker 1: Centro sector in California and cut him off from his
Speaker 1: beloved official government X account sending in borders are Tom
Speaker 1: Homan and his place to restore calm to the city,
Speaker 1: is what it says. And then he was filmed laughing
Speaker 1: with a group of younger men.
Speaker 2: If you have that job and you have the capacity
Speaker 2: for laughter, I.
Speaker 1: Think this is hilarious. I hope that keeps happening.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 1: Every time he's like you know, I do. I hope
Speaker 1: it keeps happening. Booze and yeah, it's so richly deserved.
Speaker 1: Y'all are the ones who argued for being able to,
Speaker 1: you know, deny service. That's your thing, remember, yeah, with
Speaker 1: them cakes and all, y'all did that. Y'all said, y'alled
Speaker 1: for this. How does it taste a little better? Good? Good?
Speaker 1: So that was fun. Yeah, that was really fun. I
Speaker 1: did enjoy that. Actually, uh huh, there's so much here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Kennedy Center artistic director Kevin Couch quit less than
Speaker 1: two weeks after his hiring was announced, and right after
Speaker 1: that we were told the Kennedy Center will close for
Speaker 1: two years for renovations in July because no anyone.
Speaker 2: There, right, because you know, when you have a bustling
Speaker 2: and booming arts venue and organization, you can just close
Speaker 2: for two years for renovations.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's not a problem. Just the whole thing just well,
Speaker 2: you know, well it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, never happens. That's not a thing. It's funny.
Speaker 1: It's it's funny because nobody, yeah, everyone has pulled out.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to fucking come to your fucking Nazi dance party.
Speaker 1: He announced that days after the premiere of Millennia Too,
Speaker 1: the documentary that was they showed at the Kennedy Center.
Speaker 2: That two's of sixes of people came to have seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this one was also fun. Target has dropped
Speaker 1: off Fortunes Most Admired Companies last after twenty four years
Speaker 1: as an all star. Wow, because you refuse to just
Speaker 1: do the right things from the this this journal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were on that list for Fortune's Most Admired Companies.
Speaker 1: Target was on that list for twenty four years, not
Speaker 1: this year. They have fallen off the list for the
Speaker 1: first time since two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Good job, black.
Speaker 1: People, right.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, they ain't much else to say.
Speaker 1: Now they were on that list and now they're not,
Speaker 1: and we know why and hahuh hah. Indeed, let's see,
Speaker 1: speaking of Malany in the documentary, it's officially on course
Speaker 1: for box office armageddon. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love how they tried to say that it was
Speaker 2: standing room only in theaters.
Speaker 1: Was that a theater without seats?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, so there's no such thing as
Speaker 2: standing room only because it's not a concert venue. Each
Speaker 2: ticket corresponds with a seat, and once there are no
Speaker 2: more seats, they stop selling tickets. Yeah, so that's a lie.
Speaker 1: And also unless they just kept selling tickets and people
Speaker 1: were standing in the back as they had to see
Speaker 1: it at that part to you.
Speaker 2: Or they count the people that were leaving. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: what it actually was.
Speaker 1: Maybe, And you know who's buying the tickets. We don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because your mama hit click twenty five times doesn't.
Speaker 1: Mean exactly we don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's see as many times as I've signed up for
Speaker 2: a block of seats at Trump rallies just for the
Speaker 2: intention of nobody being in those seats. You can't tell me.
Speaker 1: It's expected to It was expected to bring in roughly
Speaker 1: five million during its opening weekend. The figure pails in
Speaker 1: comparison to others opening Send Help, which we will talk about,
Speaker 1: which we went to see, was projected to rake in
Speaker 1: fourteen to seventeen million, with an additional ten to twelve
Speaker 1: million internationally for opening weekend. Where's it even?
Speaker 2: Where's it even playing?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Amazon of course financed the movie Millennia,
Speaker 1: which costs about forty million dollars.
Speaker 2: And this is what I'm saying, you make and they're
Speaker 2: boasting five million, ten million.
Speaker 1: I know this is it's so funny. It's it's just funny.
Speaker 1: It's a flop. Boo boom. Yeah, no one cares, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: who cares?
Speaker 2: I don't really care, do you.
Speaker 1: Right? Exactly? I don't really care. I love that. I
Speaker 1: remember that, jacka.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Some showtimes and conservative strongholds appear to be filling up,
Speaker 1: but ticket sales elsewhere tell a different story. Entire rows
Speaker 1: were untouched, with no seats sold for the seven pm
Speaker 1: showing as a wedessafe of opening day. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how I would think it did perform. It opened in
Speaker 1: more than fifteen hundred theaters. Screenshots of sparsely populated seating
Speaker 1: charts have already begun circulating online. Yeah, it was. It's
Speaker 1: been a joke basically.
Speaker 2: I hope it gets a razzie as it.
Speaker 1: Should have been a joke. It's a joke. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: there's that.
Speaker 2: Rumors are that at screenings of Milania, it was really
Speaker 2: just becoming, because remember how she was supposed to please
Speaker 2: your I.
Speaker 1: Had actually shown it was really just becoming. She was
Speaker 1: just showing that movie.
Speaker 2: I mean the tears when she talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: coming from being a black woman on the South side
Speaker 2: of Chicago. Just I couldn't. It was so touching to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, oh my god, this.
Speaker 2: Is not real life.
Speaker 1: One more item.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the Detroit poet laureate Jessica care More took
Speaker 2: it upon herself to to put pen to paper in
Speaker 2: honor of Nicki Minaj's appearance with Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Uh huh it was.
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj appeared at an event where Trump was unveiling
Speaker 2: his his gold card, his his fast tracking to citizenship,
Speaker 2: where if you spend a million dollars to give you
Speaker 2: a gold card and you have immediate citizenship.
Speaker 1: How disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, selling citizenship that part. And she was their front
Speaker 2: and center with her badly cared for edges on display,
Speaker 2: being his token negress and talking about how much she
Speaker 2: loves him and she's going to stand up for him,
Speaker 2: and you know, just setting us back thirty eight years. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Jessica Carmore wrote a poem and it goes a little
Speaker 2: something like this, on a stage, holding this dictator's hand
Speaker 2: and smiling when nothing is funny about whatever you sacrificed,
Speaker 2: gave up, swallowed your dignity, evaporating with every forced smile.
Speaker 2: What a waste of good weave and acrylic nails. What
Speaker 2: a disgrace to women MC's everywhere, What a wild, distorted
Speaker 2: fraud of a scene. Millions of mics at half mass
Speaker 2: mourning the law of the heart that beat the core,
Speaker 2: that makes black art the voice of the people for
Speaker 2: the people, not a black barbie standing with a saggy
Speaker 2: nut pedophile can at her side. We are the prize,
Speaker 2: not capitalism side, chick. Our backs already built this country's economy.
Speaker 2: Go write a rhyme about how you turn the devil down.
Speaker 2: Write poems that show our girls our true wealth. Go
Speaker 2: read Nicki Giovanni or Nicki Finny. I promise you will
Speaker 2: find yourself worth inside their pages. NICKI, don't you know
Speaker 2: we are worth more than what they could ever afford
Speaker 2: to pay any of us. Who oh my, I ain't
Speaker 2: nothing else to be said. Nicki Minaj has sold every
Speaker 2: bit of goodwill, of authenticity, of credibility, of honor, of
Speaker 2: self worth that she has managed to accrue through her career.
Speaker 2: Like her her allegiance to the LGBTQ community that built
Speaker 2: her career has just washed away. So I hope it
Speaker 2: was worth it. I hope it was worth it because
Speaker 2: now what you got, And and come to find out
Speaker 2: that that gold card she got was a souvenir. It
Speaker 2: wasn't an actual authentic card it No, it was basically
Speaker 2: just you know, thanks for coming in for your donation.
Speaker 2: Here you can like display this in your home run.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, so imagine. Yeah, this has been
Speaker 1: your moment of employ people taking pleasure. Name, do you
Speaker 1: have a fifteen minute fave? By any chance I do?
Speaker 1: Would you like to share that and take us out
Speaker 1: to a break with it?
Speaker 2: I would?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I was just going through my social media's and
Speaker 2: I came across this video of this song. It's a
Speaker 2: little jazz tune by this artist who I was heretofore
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with. He goes by the name of Spilata and
Speaker 2: this little jazz tune is called the Countiest. Okay, when
Speaker 2: I tell you, I have never put a song on
Speaker 2: the fifteen minute phase playlist. Before I was finished listening
Speaker 2: to the damn thing. Oh my, now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It was on streaming. It was on Apple Music and
Speaker 2: Spotify and all that, and then it was gone.
Speaker 1: But it is.
Speaker 2: Available on YouTube. So we're gonna make sure we link
Speaker 2: to YouTube, because y'all need to be aware of Spilata
Speaker 2: the Countiest. It is a joy, it is a journey.
Speaker 2: It is queerness and blackness at its finest.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, all right, then let's go out to
Speaker 1: the break with that. Yes, the Countiest will be right
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 5: Slay you in this song just for fun. To this,
Speaker 5: I'm the Countiest. Somethink that they're a star. Well, I'm
Speaker 5: the sun to this. And if you didn't know, you
Speaker 5: better ask your sist, because when it comes to this, darling,
Speaker 5: I never miss. I'm the countiest, the stuntiest, the one
Speaker 5: to this, the sum to this.
Speaker 2: That's why they run to this.
Speaker 5: I'm the Countiest, the fraying to your Sinatra in a
Speaker 5: seasoned dish to make your reminisce on times infused with
Speaker 5: bliss nostalgia with a twist, while giving futurists. I'm the Countiest,
Speaker 5: the only prima donna. I'm upfront with this, the business
Speaker 5: and the show. I'm the sum to this, So watch
Speaker 5: me while I blow and make you come to this.
Speaker 5: I'm the countiest, the stuntiest, the one to this, the
Speaker 5: some to this.
Speaker 2: So glad you come to this. I'm the counties.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: So we had the benefit of video with that particular fave.
Speaker 1: So maybe you'll post the video. Oh that okay, Oh
Speaker 1: that was that was? Yeah, that isn't that happened?
Speaker 2: That's an anthem. Okay, a movement, a moment.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, it's time, oh God for the cavalcade of nonsense.
Speaker 1: And there's so much.
Speaker 2: Let's go quickly, shall we?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's try. You want to get started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Minnesota State Rep Elan o'mar, this is at
Speaker 2: the end of January, was attacked some fool basically like
Speaker 2: lunched adder and sprayed her with a liquid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard subsequently that they thought it was like
Speaker 1: apple cider vinegar or something.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what I believe it ended up being, which
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Any any liquid the whole thing not okay, well correct,
Speaker 1: not okay. Well.
Speaker 2: I saw the video when it happened, and I was
Speaker 2: immediately afraid it was like some kind of like biological thing.
Speaker 2: And because you saw I posted everything. I just want
Speaker 2: to know what he sprayed her with. The best part
Speaker 2: of the whole thing is, you know, besides the fact
Speaker 2: that I believe she is since been cleared and okay,
Speaker 2: she immediately went into like I'm a bust Joe ass stance,
Speaker 2: like they not only had to protect her from him,
Speaker 2: but him from her. But what the fuck is going
Speaker 2: on that folks are just attacking people in this manner
Speaker 2: and apparently the attack was fueled by all of the racist, xenophobic,
Speaker 2: islamophobic rhetoric. Like the first two words in the headline
Speaker 2: were stochastic terrorism, which, as we have learned on this show,
Speaker 2: is an act of violence, which is the direct result
Speaker 2: of continued and persistent hateful rhetoric and calls for violence.
Speaker 1: So good god, there you go.
Speaker 2: This is what's happening, and it's a direct result of
Speaker 2: the ass hat in the White House.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. This next story comes from Florida. Yeah, it's chocking, right.
Speaker 1: Republicans want to jail pharmacists now, as two new bills
Speaker 1: targeting gender affirming care advance. Yeah. Yeah. One lawmaker said
Speaker 1: the tougher legislation is needed to fight doctors who are
Speaker 1: quote committing fraud in Florida, Representative Lauren Mellow, who is
Speaker 1: insane obviously, right, yeah, said that. So basically, the bills
Speaker 1: advanced out a committee late in January and They would
Speaker 1: give the state attorney general more power to investigate and
Speaker 1: press felony charges against healthcare professionals who provide gender affirm
Speaker 1: and care in the state, including against therapists who discuss
Speaker 1: gender issues with minor patients and pharmacists who fill prescriptions
Speaker 1: that may be used as gender affirming care. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: is the Criminal Justice Subcommittee in the Florida legislature. This
Speaker 1: advanced on a twelve to five vote, and it would
Speaker 1: allow the state attorney general to sue healthcare practitioners for
Speaker 1: up to one hundred thousand dollars per violation for providing
Speaker 1: gender affirming care to minors. Life saving care. Yeah, mainstream
Speaker 1: medical organizations support gender affirm and care of course for
Speaker 1: trans kids because it has been shown to be life
Speaker 1: saving and saved, which we know, we know, we know,
Speaker 1: we know, we know. But facts. You know, when you
Speaker 1: when you have a bunch of pedophiles who are trying
Speaker 1: to like throw throw you off their scent, this is
Speaker 1: what you get, yep, this is what you get out
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party. As we're learning more and more
Speaker 1: of them, because I don't think a week goes by,
Speaker 1: know and as off in Florida, where some puffy white
Speaker 1: dude you know it is again arrests. A Republican politician
Speaker 1: is once again arrested for child porn, for trying to
Speaker 1: meet up with children at hotel you name it, you
Speaker 1: name it. But they have the audacity to continue to
Speaker 1: target us, even though rank and file Republicans are saying,
Speaker 1: not get off already. Right, Yeah, it's just mind blowing. Truly.
Speaker 1: Supporters of this new bill say that they are necessary
Speaker 1: to further crack down on gender affirm and care in
Speaker 1: the state for biblical reasons. What the actual fuck does
Speaker 1: the Bible have to do with public policy? This is
Speaker 1: or medicine or medicine scary on so many levels. We
Speaker 1: have to uphold the principles and standards that made this
Speaker 1: country great, Biblical constitutional law and order at all costs,
Speaker 1: and sometimes that stings, said Representative Taylor Yourkowski at the hearing.
Speaker 1: Taylor may have been arrested by now this was late January,
Speaker 1: so God only knows how many kids that one's diddled,
Speaker 1: Who knows, you know, But yeah, keep bringing the Bible
Speaker 1: into public policy.
Speaker 2: Why not they measured things in cubits in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course Lauren Mellow, who I said, you know,
Speaker 1: is insane. Stressed pharmacists would be punished under her bill,
Speaker 1: something she says is necessary because healthcare professionals are committing
Speaker 1: fraud by prescribing gender firming care medications but recording the
Speaker 1: purpose of the medications as something other than gender affirming care. Huh. Democrats,
Speaker 1: of course, stress that the bill could have unintentional side effects.
Speaker 1: It really is, you know, first of all, as a
Speaker 1: power graph for the Attorney General to expand his power.
Speaker 1: That's one aspect of this, giving one individual, maybe his
Speaker 1: success or authority that they don't deserve and cannot manage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: state representatives and apparently this is referencing Hope, Florida, which
Speaker 1: is a scandal where state representatives are accused of laundering
Speaker 1: money and committing fraud. Of course, right, they've proven they
Speaker 1: cannot be trusted yet, no kidding. Doctors might be scared
Speaker 1: from prescribing hormone and medications to people with severe menstrual
Speaker 1: problems and symptoms, less to pharmacists misinterpret the reason for
Speaker 1: the prescription. You're going to see doctors not wanting to
Speaker 1: prescribe these kinds of medications. Yeah, it'll, you know, it
Speaker 1: will be fucking with CIS people, but women, so they
Speaker 1: why would they care? And it's you know, queer and
Speaker 1: trans people are already leaving Florida and grows. Not the
Speaker 1: white gays because they're they're fine, you know, they're fine.
Speaker 1: But trans people are leaving Florida at a clip. Parents
Speaker 1: with trans children, of course, have been leaving Florida at
Speaker 1: a clip. Any decent, respectable, you know, organization that's having
Speaker 1: any kind of conference last I heard avoiding Florida because
Speaker 1: it's terrible. So, yeah, this is all in the name
Speaker 1: of what again, Yeah, hate.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, whatever else they call it, that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's going to be very difficult for
Speaker 1: doctors to even talk to trans patients if this is
Speaker 1: if there's retribution for having a conversation, how sick and
Speaker 1: twisted is this they want? Instead, that's what they want. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they want. Yeah, So that that's solidly under nonsense.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: You know, so this was cute. You know, this happened
Speaker 1: this week with this Republican congress woman flipping out and saying,
Speaker 1: do not call me sis gender Okay, sis exactly, sis
Speaker 1: c I s yes, she called the word made up?
Speaker 1: Aren't all words made up? First of all, that's what
Speaker 1: I thought. Yeah, this is a US rep. Harriet hag
Speaker 1: haggy Man. Oh, haggy Man, I'm he ironic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's how you say it, but
Speaker 2: that's how we're saying.
Speaker 1: It from Wyoming. If she admitted she believes sis gender
Speaker 1: is a quote made up word that seeks to destroy
Speaker 1: civil order, what I thought that was Republican cis gender
Speaker 1: is made up board that means nothing, haggy Man said,
Speaker 1: not realizing that all words are literally made up by
Speaker 1: people to describe the world around them. Do not call
Speaker 1: me cis gender. I am a woman. The cis gender
Speaker 1: legislature legislator added, Yes, I love queer news, I really do.
Speaker 1: She said, the word epitomizes the left's ongoing effort to
Speaker 1: rewrite the English language in order to change the debate
Speaker 1: because there isn't a and destroy civil order. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: the fuck do Republicans really know about order?
Speaker 2: First of all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they don't govern. They worry about shit
Speaker 1: like this. This is that, you know, govern come up
Speaker 1: with some way to fucking govern.
Speaker 2: And this whole one, this whole furre over the word
Speaker 2: cis gender, I know, because it is such peak white
Speaker 2: bullshit in that it didn't it didn't exist until they
Speaker 2: started hearing about it.
Speaker 1: Well, not entirely though, you got hoteps and shit out there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, are also not happy with the terms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because white nonsense doesn't trickle down to non white people.
Speaker 2: That's not a thing that ever. Of course it does,
Speaker 2: of course, But my point is that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: They act like it's a word that just showed up
Speaker 2: twenty minutes ago, because that's when they started hearing about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just for the record, the term cis gender
Speaker 1: was popularized in the nineteen nineties, and the Oxford English
Speaker 1: Dictionary added the word in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, And I keep having this fucking argument with
Speaker 2: people that I actually know, and I keep trying to
Speaker 2: let them know that they don't sound as smart as
Speaker 2: I thought them to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, they, you know, people like Haggy Man and
Speaker 1: Elon Musk insist cis gender is a slur, right, meant
Speaker 1: to attack non trans people because they attack us all
Speaker 1: the time with the fact that we're transgender. So it
Speaker 1: and all it means is you're not transgender, right, sweetie?
Speaker 2: I actually had someone that I know.
Speaker 1: But where the snowflake who I.
Speaker 2: Thought was a thinking human being say, well, it is
Speaker 2: a slur If I don't want to be called that
Speaker 2: and you call me that, No, it's not like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck does what you want have to do with? No,
Speaker 2: it's the definition of a goddamn word.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly exactly. Yeah, that's like saying, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't like the word the so therefore the is a slur.
Speaker 1: That's that's I don't want to call you live in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. That's the word. Move like, for fox sake,
Speaker 1: find a word you like better. But what the hell?
Speaker 2: Because I've said many times cis gender is not a slur.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how you feel about it. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what you actually think. The word is what it is.
Speaker 1: But you think we think the same way you do, right,
Speaker 1: And the way that you spew the word trans and
Speaker 1: transgender and transsexual, you spew those words as slurs, so
Speaker 1: you assume, right, we use this word.
Speaker 2: That's also what I always say. It's that you, with
Speaker 2: sitting firmly in your cis gender privilege, are not used
Speaker 2: to being labeled, but you you you only use labels
Speaker 2: when you're using them to bully others or denigrate others.
Speaker 2: So you assume that all labels are used to bully
Speaker 2: and denigrade, So when a label is applied to you,
Speaker 2: then you automatically take offense because you God.
Speaker 1: Bless all the CIS genders. Now that we know who
Speaker 1: self refer all, God damn it, and of course haggy Man,
Speaker 1: and then we will move on. Claimed that gold medalist
Speaker 1: cist gender boxer is it Amani Khalif. Yes Uh is
Speaker 1: a transgender woman who beat the hell out of women
Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty four Paris Olympics. Khalif, like representative
Speaker 1: haggy Man, it's a cisgender woman, can't even get their
Speaker 1: facts straight. But god damn you know they love to beat.
Speaker 1: This is what bell Yeah, you're repeating a lie over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. It will never make it
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: This is what prompted my social media posts the other day.
Speaker 2: I am so sick and fucking tired of arrogant stupidity.
Speaker 1: I know, right, And that's the thing. They're so certain, right,
Speaker 1: and they're so loud, and they're so fucking wrong. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2: Remember when stupid people didn't participate in conversations they weren't
Speaker 2: equipped to be a part of and they just sat back.
Speaker 2: Remember that I missed those.
Speaker 1: Days, I do. I damn it. This happened in New
Speaker 1: York City. This we're going back to January tenth. The
Speaker 1: articles not quite that old, but there was a man
Speaker 1: who suffered an anti LGBTQ subway attack after kissing his
Speaker 1: trans partner. According to police, a man was kissing his
Speaker 1: transgender partner aboard a six train earlier in January when
Speaker 1: he was attacked by another passenger, who yelled a homophobic
Speaker 1: slur and struck him with a sharp object. According to police,
Speaker 1: the sudden attack, which unfolded just before eight pm on
Speaker 1: January tenth, led to a verbal dispute that ultimately took
Speaker 1: a dangerous turn when the unknown assailant allegedly attacked the
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old victim on the right side of
Speaker 1: his face, causing a laceration. No indication the trans woman
Speaker 1: suffered any physical injuries. It took place as the six
Speaker 1: train pulled into the twenty third Street station on a
Speaker 1: Saturday evening, and the suspect fled the train at that station.
Speaker 1: Of course, they fled like the little bitch that he is,
Speaker 1: like the little bitch that you are. None of them
Speaker 1: can stand by their convictions, Phie, I got to run
Speaker 1: a nut anyway. The victim was transported to Bellevue Hospital,
Speaker 1: and the alleged attacker, of course, fled the scene. Police
Speaker 1: have yet to identify or find the suspect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to put this here because
Speaker 2: when I came across this article, it hit home for
Speaker 2: me for obvious reasons. And you know, I'm as a
Speaker 2: queer person. You know, I have been on my guard
Speaker 2: in public for thirty plus years now, just being myself,
Speaker 2: either by myself or with friends or with a partner.
Speaker 2: And you know, I am married to a fabulous a
Speaker 2: transgender woman. I have to agree who I am wont
Speaker 2: to be affectionate with publicly, and I mean luckily, like
Speaker 2: I don't really fear in that way here where we live, right,
Speaker 2: But it's just crazy that we're still dealing with this bullshit.
Speaker 1: You know, I still remember my son kind of pointing
Speaker 1: out our size as in some ways protective and I
Speaker 1: had never thought of that, right, I really had never
Speaker 1: thought of that. But it was like, you too can
Speaker 1: block the sun when you're walking side by side, So
Speaker 1: somebody would be really stupid to try to fuck with you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I mean I think people be
Speaker 2: stupid to fuck with us like size bed anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've taught that lesson more than once.
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, I mean, I I had never
Speaker 1: thought of it that way because I mean I was
Speaker 1: bullied all through school. I was often taller and bigger.
Speaker 1: They knew I wasn't gonna fight back, right, that was
Speaker 1: the point. So that didn't you know, I think it
Speaker 1: made it that much more fun because of my size.
Speaker 1: So I never really look at life that way. But
Speaker 1: I did realize that, and that was you know, early
Speaker 1: on in bar ownership, and I realized I could use
Speaker 1: that to my advantage sometimes. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I similar background for myself. I was bullied a
Speaker 2: lot as a kid all up and through high school,
Speaker 2: and I never fought back. And it wasn't until like
Speaker 2: my adult life, my full flood's adult life, where when
Speaker 2: I'm put in a situation where physical violence is a thing,
Speaker 2: not only do I fight back. I realized I can
Speaker 2: be a lot more brutal than I thought I could be.
Speaker 2: And there have been times like, I remember the moment
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of as we were in the car and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting passenger side, You're driving, and apparently I made
Speaker 2: a noise and you said what And I was like
Speaker 2: nothing because I just randomly was thinking, like.
Speaker 1: What would I do?
Speaker 2: Is somebody trying to fuck with my woman? And it
Speaker 2: got real fucking dark. It got real. It was like
Speaker 2: and then I break it this way and then I've
Speaker 2: bending around like that because I'm beating them with their
Speaker 2: own leg Like, it got dark, so I had to stand.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I scared myself, which is why
Speaker 2: I made the noise. So I think about things like
Speaker 2: that and in the world we live in and just
Speaker 2: don't fucking start none. Won't fucking be none?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, but you know this guy was just
Speaker 1: being affectionate, right, and yeah, some people can't if you're
Speaker 1: the stand.
Speaker 2: Threatened by love, love and affection right right, look inward?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know if it if seeing queer and
Speaker 1: trans people has an effect on you, maybe you need
Speaker 1: to I don't know exactly examine that. I you know,
Speaker 1: I put this next story in because we have a
Speaker 1: new strategy. Right, we know that democratic electeds tend to
Speaker 1: oppose like transports bands more than Democratic voters do. Because
Speaker 1: there's too many Democratic voters and some Democratic positions have
Speaker 1: been infected by this constant barrage of lies and misinformation.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something to the right. So the electives who
Speaker 1: have done the research and who we have worked hard
Speaker 1: to educate, of course, you know, tend to be more
Speaker 1: against it. So the new tact is anti transactivists are
Speaker 1: turning in signatures in Maine for a sports fan and
Speaker 1: what this will do is put it on the ballot.
Speaker 1: That's what they want. Organizers from the anti trans group
Speaker 1: protect girls' sports as if they they still don't give
Speaker 1: a shit about girls sports. As we know they do
Speaker 1: want to check their vaginas though they're anxious to do that.
Speaker 1: That's because they are children's genital fetistists.
Speaker 2: If it weren't for girls in shorts, they wouldn't give
Speaker 2: a fuck.
Speaker 1: Truly anyway, protect girls' sports says. They turned in over
Speaker 1: eighty two thousand sign to the state Secretary of State's
Speaker 1: office to put a trans sports ban on the November
Speaker 1: ballot this year. Now, if something's unconstitutional, can you put
Speaker 1: it on the ballot? I don't know. Uh, Their ballot.
Speaker 1: I think you kind of can because member properly. Their
Speaker 1: ballot initiative would require the entities that govern interscholastic sports
Speaker 1: to designate all teams as male, female, or co ed,
Speaker 1: and allow only students assigned female at birth to participate
Speaker 1: in girls sports. The ballot initiative would also require restrooms,
Speaker 1: locker rooms, and showers to be separated by sex assigned
Speaker 1: at birth. Fucking build, you know, build bigger walls to
Speaker 1: the stalls. These people are so fucking good.
Speaker 2: God still no mention of the state trans boys though,
Speaker 2: huh No never.
Speaker 1: The state is now reviewing the signatures that they turned
Speaker 1: in to see if at least sixty seven, six hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty two of them are valid. That is the
Speaker 1: minimum number of signatures from main voters required to qualify
Speaker 1: an issue for the ballot. Quote it's necessary to put
Speaker 1: on the ballot because sex based discrimination is happening right now.
Speaker 1: Leland Strife of Protect Girls Sports told The Bangor Daily
Speaker 1: News they often frame trans rights as an attack on
Speaker 1: women's rights, not that there's any correlation. There needs to
Speaker 1: be a solution for this right now. It is being
Speaker 1: solved on a district by district level. And it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be It should be solved on the state level. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: This is the second state where anti transactivists have attempted
Speaker 1: to get a sports ban on the November ballot. In January,
Speaker 1: the group Let's Go Washington said that it turned in
Speaker 1: more than enough signatures to put a sports ban on
Speaker 1: the ballot in that state. The Washington ballot initiative will
Speaker 1: also include authorization for genital examinations for girls who want
Speaker 1: to participate in sports in school sports. Now, if parents
Speaker 1: are going to vote for this and pass it, God
Speaker 1: help us all, God help us all.
Speaker 2: So you know what that means. That means. That means
Speaker 2: that someone said the words out loud, genital inspections, and
Speaker 2: it came out of the mouth and traveled through the
Speaker 2: air and went into ears, and the ears said, yes,
Speaker 2: that's what we need to do. And then they wrote
Speaker 2: that down on paper, and then that paper was passed
Speaker 2: to other people who read it and they saw the
Speaker 2: words genital inspection and they went yes and moved it forward.
Speaker 1: Anti trans organizers I are turning to ballot initiatives, likely
Speaker 1: because every state that will pass a transports ban through
Speaker 1: its legislature already has and Democratic elected officials tend to
Speaker 1: be more opposed to transports bans than Democratic voters. So
Speaker 1: a March twenty twenty five survey found that sixty four
Speaker 1: percent of Main voters don't think transgender student athletes meaning
Speaker 1: trans girls, let's not twist this should be allowed to
Speaker 1: participate in school sports, and that sixty four percent would
Speaker 1: have to include a large number, and that sixty four
Speaker 1: percent would have to include a large number of Democratic
Speaker 1: voters in the state of Maine.
Speaker 2: And all of this is a much larger number than
Speaker 2: the actual number of trans kids who are trying to
Speaker 2: fucking play sports in excess guide there is just a mob.
Speaker 1: A recent national survey found that a plurality of Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris voters actually support transsports bands. I guess you know
Speaker 1: information if you repeated enough, you know, if it does
Speaker 1: become infectious. Yeah. A few Democratic elected officials have publicly
Speaker 1: supported such measures, thank god. At least eight bills were
Speaker 1: introduced in the main legislature last year to curtail trans rights,
Speaker 1: including a sportsman, and Democrats defeated them all because it's
Speaker 1: not governing, it's not good policy, and it's nothing but bigotry.
Speaker 1: Right on its face. There is no evidence to back
Speaker 1: any of this up. That is what is so galling
Speaker 1: is that this isn't the ship that they're doing this for.
Speaker 1: Is like a solution looking for a problem. The problem
Speaker 1: does not exist, right, a problem. Right. Not only are
Speaker 1: trans girls not you know, dominating every sport, They're not
Speaker 1: being trands so that they can somehow assault little CIS
Speaker 1: girls in the locker room. That's not happening, right. You're
Speaker 1: afraid of CIS boys, actually, is what you're afraid of.
Speaker 1: The Principles Association said it follows state law which bans
Speaker 1: discrimination on the basis of gender identity, and pointed out
Speaker 1: that there are very few trans girls participating in school
Speaker 1: sports in thus state. Correct This jackass stressed he does
Speaker 1: not want the legislature to solve this on our behalf,
Speaker 1: likely because the main legislature has a democratic majority, you know,
Speaker 1: and of course anyone with a conscience or any decent
Speaker 1: human is criticizing the ballid initiative, pointing out that Protect
Speaker 1: Girls' Sports has received nearly a million dollars from Republican
Speaker 1: megadonnor Richard Yuleen and that the initiative would increase bullying
Speaker 1: and harassment and cost local schools millions of dollars for
Speaker 1: construction and litigation. These out of state billionaires pay for
Speaker 1: the campaign, but main people pay for the fallout. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And of course last year, the Main governor, Janet Mills,
Speaker 1: had a high profile battle with this administration over trans
Speaker 1: student athletes. The president told us that she better banned
Speaker 1: trans kids from participating in school sports, and she replied,
Speaker 1: see you in court, and Main eventually won the court
Speaker 1: battle that followed when the US Department of Agriculture attempted
Speaker 1: to freeze three million dollars in funding. They're bullies, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're bullies, and nobody looks at transgender porn like Republican men.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about recently, Kid Marrow diesuz A Marrow
Speaker 2: was the one Rolling Stone podcast or interview or whatever
Speaker 2: talking about Riley Gaines, and he was like, we need
Speaker 2: to like he was basically speaking to Raley gains He's like,
Speaker 2: we need to be real here. You're not mad at
Speaker 2: the presence of a train. He said. The issue is
Speaker 2: not a transgender swimmer. The issue is you suck your ass.
Speaker 2: So stop focusing on bullshit, Stop focusing on things that
Speaker 2: aren't a problem. But being concentrate on not being asked,
Speaker 2: she would.
Speaker 1: Have absolutely no relevance in this world. You would not
Speaker 1: know her name in any way, shape or form had
Speaker 1: she not capitalized on having, you know, swam with Leah Thomas.
Speaker 1: That's it. That is it. She tied for fifth place,
Speaker 1: and I guess wanted to be fifth place all on
Speaker 1: her own. Whatever the fuck. Yeah, but otherwise you would
Speaker 1: never have heard from this person. But Republicans are so
Speaker 1: goddamned frothing at the mouth about our very existence that
Speaker 1: they will pay and promote people like Riley Gaines. They
Speaker 1: absolutely will to further this ridiculous, bigoted, nasty based US
Speaker 1: agenda of theirs, because if you know, if you look
Speaker 1: at the trans people, if you look at them, you're
Speaker 1: not looking at what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Biggots do love a participation trophy like the Confederate flag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sure do so. Yeah, that is the new
Speaker 1: strategy is to try to get is ballad initiatives, hoping
Speaker 1: that we can't touch the hearts and minds of citizens. Right,
Speaker 1: but you know, we also know how to fight a
Speaker 1: ballat initiative. Ask Anita Bryant. We know how to fight
Speaker 1: ballad initiatives too. Yes, we know how to turn hearts
Speaker 1: and minds toward the truth of the matter. But Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: how ridiculous, how utterly, and what a waste of time.
Speaker 1: We've solved every other problem in the world. So apparently
Speaker 1: John lescal He slams JK. Rowling's transphobia and then defends
Speaker 1: playing Dumbledore, right, uh huh.
Speaker 2: Which is a testament to how talented John Liskow actually
Speaker 2: is because he can talk out of both sides of
Speaker 2: his face at the same fucking time, at the same
Speaker 2: exact time. Yeah, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: I know, how about it.
Speaker 2: That's really all. That's all that I wanted to just say,
Speaker 2: Fuck John, lets go. It's a shame. I've been a
Speaker 2: fan forever in a day.
Speaker 1: So this is an upcoming HBO, upcoming Harry Potter television series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still making those shits and right.
Speaker 1: So, while he will speak out against JK. Rowling her
Speaker 1: rampant transphobia, he did defend his decision to take over
Speaker 1: as Hogwarts headmaster in this new adaptation, saying it made
Speaker 1: him uncomfortable and unhappy that people insisted he walk away
Speaker 1: from the job, but he chose not to Yeah. He
Speaker 1: spoke at the Rotterdam Film Festival, where he had a
Speaker 1: film premiering asked how he felt about Rowling's hateful rhetoric.
Speaker 1: I take the subject extremely seriously, just not seriously enough
Speaker 1: to lose money. Correct. She has created the amazing canon
Speaker 1: for young people and it has jumped and he can't
Speaker 1: need the money that anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm saying it.
Speaker 1: Has jumped into the consciousness of this society. It's about
Speaker 1: good versus evil, kindness versus cruelty. I find her views
Speaker 1: ironic and inexplicable. I've never met her, and she's not
Speaker 1: really involved in this production at all, but the people
Speaker 1: who are are remarkable.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, fuck them too.
Speaker 1: Basically, it upsets me when people are opposed to me
Speaker 1: having anything to do with this. But in the Potter
Speaker 1: canon you see no trace of transphobic sensitivity. She's written
Speaker 1: this mediation of kindness and acceptance. And Dumbledore is a
Speaker 1: beautiful role.
Speaker 2: Every non white character is a walking stay.
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest person in the entire room, just turned eighty,
Speaker 1: and yet I signed a contract I will be playing
Speaker 1: Dumbledore for the next eight years. I absolutely have to
Speaker 1: keep at it. I felt wow that means I will
Speaker 1: live to be eighty eight. I have that in writing.
Speaker 1: An audience member got up and left the room in
Speaker 1: protest while he was talking and could be heard saying
Speaker 1: things like these don't help, and the actor responded to
Speaker 1: the abrupt exit by saying, I'm perfectly ready for collisions
Speaker 1: of opinion. I understand it. Uh huh, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I have such enormous respect for the people who actually
Speaker 1: do need the money and turn it down anyway when
Speaker 1: they learn, you know, and there was nothing to learn.
Speaker 1: You know what Jaca does with that money exactly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but whatever, and.
Speaker 2: John, let's go played a trans woman?
Speaker 1: I know, I guess what what do we say? At
Speaker 1: least he slammed or I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, did he that didn't like a slam that was
Speaker 2: barely a knock? Well, so someone who I was a
Speaker 2: huge fan of turns out to be a double speaking hypocrite.
Speaker 1: Well there's a lot of that. Yeah, yeah, there is,
Speaker 1: there is. Let's take one more break, yes, so that
Speaker 1: we can cleanse our palates with some pop culture. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: We are back, We're back.
Speaker 1: Wow, what's happening in pop culture? I've been in front
Speaker 1: of the television. What's happening in otherwise it's been so
Speaker 1: fucking could.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, let's see, since we recorded last, the Grammys happened. Yes,
Speaker 2: and there were two takeaways from the Grammys that I
Speaker 2: personally care I did. We didn't watch the Grammys, we
Speaker 2: did not, But there were things that happened that I
Speaker 2: heard about and took to heart. First of all being
Speaker 2: Eve finally received a Grammy for her verse in the
Speaker 2: Roots song you Got Me after twenty seven years.
Speaker 1: Okay, there was.
Speaker 2: A Recording Academy Honors event and she was awarded a Grammy,
Speaker 2: presented by the Black Music Collective. Okay, And it's crazy
Speaker 2: because I only recently realized that that was her on
Speaker 2: that song.
Speaker 1: What was uncredited?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, And she wasn't like, she wasn't Eve yet.
Speaker 2: She was just like a fierce Philly woman MC who
Speaker 2: the Roots knew, right, just like Jill Scott wrote the
Speaker 2: hook to the song. And she wasn't known yet. She
Speaker 2: was just an up and coming, fabulous Philly performer. And
Speaker 2: so they were told by their label that they needed
Speaker 2: a name to be on the song if it was
Speaker 2: going to be a single. And that is why Erica
Speaker 2: Badou does the Hook and Erica has long since, you know,
Speaker 2: given Jill her props for writing writing it and the
Speaker 2: Roots come a live album Jill actually performed and it
Speaker 2: is amazing. So yeah, it's so cool that Eve finally
Speaker 2: received the recognition that she deserved.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know cool.
Speaker 2: And my one big takeaway from the main Grammys event
Speaker 2: was Duran Bernard won a Grammy for Best Progressive R
Speaker 2: and B Performance. Duran Bernard is he was a fifteen
Speaker 2: minute fave a little while ago. Actually, I first discovered
Speaker 2: him when he was primarily a backup singer for Erica Baidu.
Speaker 2: It was a video of him. She gave him a
Speaker 2: solo and he just went off. That man can sing
Speaker 2: his little queer ass face off. He is an amazing
Speaker 2: talent and like, just based on that one solo, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, who is this person, Duran Bernard?
Speaker 2: Let me follow him, let me just know all I
Speaker 2: can because that voice. And he finally got a Grammy.
Speaker 2: He'd been nominated several times for a peering on people's music,
Speaker 2: but this was his first time winning of his own accord.
Speaker 2: And I want to read his acceptance speech because it
Speaker 2: is wonderful. First of all I love like. He comes
Speaker 2: trotting up from the back like a cartoon character, because
Speaker 2: he said he sat in the back of see anything
Speaker 2: he's gonna win. So he says, Happy Black History Month
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. That's how we opened,
Speaker 2: did it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay?
Speaker 2: He said, listen, I want to remind everyone that we
Speaker 2: are all we got and we know who I'm referring to.
Speaker 2: So please give yourself some grace and extend your kindness
Speaker 2: to your neighbor who needs it, to all the independent
Speaker 2: artists out there, and to every butch queen who has
Speaker 2: ever made to feel like they were too much. I
Speaker 2: am the proof that you needed and the sign you've
Speaker 2: been waiting for, be yourself. And his mother and his
Speaker 2: father were up on stage with him. It was so cool.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yes, And there's a small list of people who I
Speaker 2: feel like I discovered, which basically means I found out
Speaker 2: about them just a little bit before it became popular,
Speaker 2: and I predicted all these things for them, and they've
Speaker 2: come to fruition. First it was Dual Lipa, then it
Speaker 2: was Bob the Drag Queen, now Duran Bernard. It's like
Speaker 2: everything I see, I've seen for these people has come
Speaker 2: to fruition and I love it.
Speaker 1: Let it, let it, let it, love it. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: what do we have next? Oh, Wendy and Lisa have
Speaker 1: revealed a new supergroup replacing the Revolution. Yes, oh, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be Lisa, Wendy and Annie Lennox.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's what I said.
Speaker 1: Oh my yeah, okay. Of course they worked with Prince
Speaker 1: right the harmonic backbone of the Revolution, Wendy and Lisa
Speaker 1: helped sculpt to the emotional architecture of Purple Rain, forever
Speaker 1: etching their names into pop history. But now, in a
Speaker 1: move that few saw coming, they're officially stepping out of
Speaker 1: the Purple shadow, and they're doing it by starting over
Speaker 1: with a collaborator just as iconic as their former band leader.
Speaker 1: How about that. I love it. That's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1: That's a powerhouse trio.
Speaker 2: I know. I'm excited. Apparently it all started because they
Speaker 2: were seated together at a Joni Mitchell concert.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 2: And they just started like talking and like hanging out,
Speaker 2: and it became a thing.
Speaker 1: Do you realize it's going to be ten years since
Speaker 1: we lost Prince this year? I know, And I'm still
Speaker 1: I know, damn time flies.
Speaker 2: But Wendy and Lisa, they they got props, but they
Speaker 2: never got the props that they actually deserve. Like. It
Speaker 2: wasn't until very very very recently after Prince died. I
Speaker 2: think it might have been when we saw the Revolution perform.
Speaker 1: Right, we did, and and they were great.
Speaker 2: They were fabulous. But one of the iconic guitar solos
Speaker 2: in uh, I want to say, Let's go crazy, it's
Speaker 2: either let's go crazy or Purple Rain. I always thought
Speaker 2: it was Prince.
Speaker 1: It was Wendy.
Speaker 2: Because they said at the beginning of the concert that
Speaker 2: they were all doing their own parts. There was no
Speaker 2: lead singer. The audience is going to be the lead singer.
Speaker 1: Well, right, they did have a singer album, they had
Speaker 1: they had guests, certain who certain of the prints.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lyrics, yes, but for the most part, you know,
Speaker 2: is like sing along with the Revolution.
Speaker 1: It really was.
Speaker 2: And when what a great show it really was. And
Speaker 2: when she came out and hit that solo, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that was your part.
Speaker 1: How about that bitch?
Speaker 2: Which is a testament to how fabulous of a guitar player.
Speaker 2: If I thought it was Prince and it could have been.
Speaker 1: So amazing talent. So this is going to be something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see because Annie Lennox has
Speaker 2: always been amazing except for when she sang strange Fruit
Speaker 2: on that one album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's while.
Speaker 2: While it's not a small misstep, that's the only misstep
Speaker 2: I can think of.
Speaker 1: Just say no, just say no, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: do you remember David Underwood telling us that story. I
Speaker 1: do when he was playing a tavern on Kameack and
Speaker 1: someone asked for strange Fruit and wanted to sing along.
Speaker 1: It was a way, dude, and he said, absolutely, not right.
Speaker 1: I don't care if they fire me. I don't care
Speaker 1: what they do. I don't get no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not even no. Didn't want David to sing it,
Speaker 2: didn't want to sing with David. Wanted David to accompany
Speaker 2: his white ass while he sang strange.
Speaker 1: Fruit, and David said, that will not happen. No, it
Speaker 1: will not, and it didn't.
Speaker 2: I will step on your foot and walk away first.
Speaker 1: Other than that part, an amazing talent, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that they would let her sing it again when
Speaker 1: in Lisa, No, I don't think they would allow that.
Speaker 1: So I think I think moving forward were good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this one's for you.
Speaker 1: I know this one upset me. Dame Prue Leith is
Speaker 1: leaving The Great British Bake Off. I know she's been
Speaker 1: there for almost a decade as a judge. She is
Speaker 1: eighty six years old, so you know fair anything she
Speaker 1: wants to do at this point is more than fair.
Speaker 2: She replaced Dame Mary Berry.
Speaker 1: Right on the series in twenty seventeen, appearing alongside Paul Hollywood.
Speaker 1: So there was a shake up. At one time it
Speaker 1: was on BBC and then moved to Channel four, right,
Speaker 1: And apparently when it moved to Channel four, like the
Speaker 1: cast changed.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I guess I only was paying attention from
Speaker 2: that point four because it's always been proved for me.
Speaker 1: It's always been proved for me as well. Anyway, that's
Speaker 1: a shirt. She already had stepped down from the celebrity
Speaker 1: version of Bakoff in twenty twenty four, replaced there by
Speaker 1: Lady Caroline Waldegrave. Looks like sure, Allison Hammond and Noel
Speaker 1: Fieldling continue to be the presenters. I like Alan. I
Speaker 1: assume Paul Hollywood is not going anywhere she but I
Speaker 1: will miss her, Yeah, I really will miss her. What
Speaker 1: an interesting person and.
Speaker 2: So fabulous, just fabulous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just fun and colorful and fabulous. And her critiques
Speaker 1: were not mean spirited.
Speaker 2: I mean none of them words.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Paul Hollywood can get a little uh,
Speaker 1: you know, make you question your birth. But you know,
Speaker 1: she really never did. But she, you know, would kind
Speaker 1: of say, you know, that could be better, or I
Speaker 1: can't even taste that part, or you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that's anyway. I like the way that she did it.
Speaker 1: She wasn't humanizing about any of it. And I love
Speaker 1: how she she can be funny. Oh tell you, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, I love how she leans into the
Speaker 2: fact that she likes to drink a little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an ongoing thing, is her.
Speaker 2: I made it extra boozy just for.
Speaker 1: You, for you. I added some extra just for Prue. Well,
Speaker 1: we will miss her. She's fabulous, right, but we will
Speaker 1: have reruns. Yeah, we'll always have those. Yeah. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about what we've watched so we You remember so
Speaker 1: much better than I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the stuff.
Speaker 1: We watched The Roses a while ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Roses was refreshed me.
Speaker 1: It was not the War of the Roses, but its similar.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Roses is based on the book. It's
Speaker 2: a more direct adaptation of the book that War of
Speaker 2: the Roses was also right adapt and adaptation though it was,
Speaker 2: but it was more direct and Dervido took a little
Speaker 2: bit more creative license with his.
Speaker 1: Version and a dark, twisted ending, which this one didn't have.
Speaker 2: Differently, yeah, differently, okay, but this was a Benedett Cumberbatch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Olivia Coleman.
Speaker 1: That's right, Olivia Coleman played the wife.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was entertaining.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed War of
Speaker 2: the Roses.
Speaker 1: I love that movie, and I think it's so dark.
Speaker 1: Well that's why.
Speaker 2: You've never been divorced, fabulous director. Now I have.
Speaker 1: And it came out right around the time of my
Speaker 1: first divorce, as I recall, or I saw it around
Speaker 1: the time of my first warce.
Speaker 2: So it just didn't say, well, I was gonna say, so,
Speaker 2: your feelings are not necessarily the movie's fault.
Speaker 1: No, because I watched it much later, because I had
Speaker 1: actually I told someone that they needed to watch that movie,
Speaker 1: and I thought that they would find it instructive. I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it there, and they did, and so I thought,
Speaker 1: let me rewatch it, but.
Speaker 2: This version was actually more laugh out loud funny to me.
Speaker 1: It was funny. Yeah, parts of it were really funny.
Speaker 2: The performances were wonderful, the cast was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Love Is Strange, Yeah, that was the film with a John.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: It was John Lithgow and Alfred Millina. They play an
Speaker 2: older gay couple and they have this wonderful life together
Speaker 2: in New York until af Millina loses.
Speaker 1: His job because they get married.
Speaker 2: Because they got married, right, and.
Speaker 1: So they're heavy and he taught in a Catholic school.
Speaker 2: Right, which is a story that we've seen before. Oh
Speaker 2: yeah we have, and they've had they had to like
Speaker 2: temporarily move in with their younger friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the high jinks.
Speaker 2: That ensued because of it.
Speaker 1: A good character study. I thought it was. It was
Speaker 1: a great movie, really sweet, It really was. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: John Lithgow being a two faced hypocrite has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the fact that he's always been a talented act.
Speaker 1: That is true. There you go, like it was, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was a good movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was When did that come out twenty four.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, twenty fourteen of fourteen.
Speaker 1: It was that old. I didn't realize that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we heard. I think it was
Speaker 1: something came up as you know, you might like in
Speaker 1: the suggestions or whatever, and I was like, how do
Speaker 1: we miss this one?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's older than I thought I was. But
Speaker 1: it was good.
Speaker 2: It was good. I recommend it, even though, you know, hypocrite.
Speaker 1: Anyway, someone told me I simply must see I saw
Speaker 1: the TV Glow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that had been on my to watch list
Speaker 2: since it came out, because it is twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: You know. I kept hearing all these trans people mention
Speaker 1: this movie, and I guess, if you squint, it's a
Speaker 1: trans allegory. I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: All I heard was that it was so fabulous. It
Speaker 2: was a horror movie and it had a positive trans representation.
Speaker 2: That was literally the only thing see it.
Speaker 1: I mean, eh, we hated it, yeah, because it's it.
Speaker 1: There's no one has ever stated to be trans. We
Speaker 1: can kind of infer.
Speaker 2: No one is stated to be anything, and no one
Speaker 2: said anything, and they spoke really slowly when they said nothing.
Speaker 1: It was odd. I did not. The only thing I
Speaker 1: remember thinking at the end was that time I'll never
Speaker 1: get back. And when you you know it once again,
Speaker 1: it's that if it's so cerebral, it goes over my head.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I'm saying. There is a difference
Speaker 2: between making a film that is an allegory and filming
Speaker 2: an allegory. Okay, because let's take for instance, the Matrix.
Speaker 2: The Matrix is a trans allegory. However, if you don't
Speaker 2: catch any of that, if you don't notice any of that,
Speaker 2: it is still.
Speaker 1: A movie in your opinion.
Speaker 2: Yes, in my and many many many other people's opinions.
Speaker 1: But for purposes of this conversation, it's just the two
Speaker 1: of us in the room, and you're not stating both
Speaker 1: opinions when you say that that's all.
Speaker 2: I but this was just like they just like I'm
Speaker 2: going to make a trans allegory and they forgot to
Speaker 2: make a movie.
Speaker 1: Kind of That's how I felt about that.
Speaker 2: That's what they did, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I saw where Okay, I
Speaker 1: guess the themes, you know, it's sort of what was happening, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you can kind of sort of compare it
Speaker 1: to being trans I guess, I guess, sure, right, but
Speaker 1: that it touched me and spoke to me so deeply
Speaker 1: like nom and the acting was not superlative in my
Speaker 1: humble opinion, and that always takes me out of a
Speaker 1: story when I want to give them directions, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is not finished, Like y'all are still rehearsing. I
Speaker 1: it did give that, Like there couldn't have been a script,
Speaker 1: y'all just all ad lived right, and then threw it together.
Speaker 2: And oh, there was a few times when I was like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck wrote this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened more than once.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing, like, at least the one
Speaker 2: lead actor, I know that he is a good actor
Speaker 2: because we've seen him in other things we have, so
Speaker 2: you know these were obvious choices. Yeah, but god damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's that thing that choreographers do that I hate when
Speaker 2: they have their core idea that the piece is about,
Speaker 2: and then they abstract the idea, and then they abstract
Speaker 2: the abstraction and then they put that on stage. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's what this felt like.
Speaker 1: And many people are left going feeling stupid because they
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and it's like, well, you couldn't have
Speaker 1: without a road map in a fucking flashlight. There was
Speaker 1: no getting that is often the case, right, because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: time and again, and that's just how I felt about this, Like, and.
Speaker 2: That's it the roadmap you need. You got to give
Speaker 2: me something to hold on to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really didn't hold. I kept waiting for it
Speaker 1: to go somewhere right, and it just.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So no disrespect to the people who love this
Speaker 2: movie and got something real and true and emotion a
Speaker 2: lot of it. But I thought it was some bullshit.
Speaker 1: I did too. Yeah, and I am trans I know,
Speaker 1: and because I went, well, I get you know, I
Speaker 1: guess what you know, squint and squeeze at that sure
Speaker 1: or it was this right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like again, if you don't give me a movie underneath
Speaker 2: your allegory, right.
Speaker 1: We have so much cinema now where trans people are
Speaker 1: actually trans and we don't have to like squint for it.
Speaker 1: I guess I've gotten tired having to squint for anything, Like,
Speaker 1: we don't need allegories anymore.
Speaker 2: God damn it.
Speaker 1: How about we just make a film because I still right,
Speaker 1: and you know, and it was built around their mutual
Speaker 1: love for this TV show. Ye, the characters and this
Speaker 1: whole thing about do you ever feel like that's real?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I kind of, I guess get it.
Speaker 2: I never want to hear the words pink opaque ever again.
Speaker 1: I know, pink opick was what the name of the shower? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. I can relate, you know, to being
Speaker 1: raised by a television, but that's not exclusively a trans
Speaker 1: you know thing, right at all.
Speaker 2: It's a latchkey kid thing.
Speaker 1: It's a latch key kid thing. It's a bullied kid thing.
Speaker 1: It's a queer kid thing. It's a seventies, eighties, nineties
Speaker 1: to yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I wanted to like it.
Speaker 2: I did too. It was on my list from when
Speaker 2: it first came out. I took that shit off immediately
Speaker 2: after the credits rolled, because shit.
Speaker 1: You know, and again maybe because this often happens, like
Speaker 1: you know, what is and is not a Martha film? Yes?
Speaker 1: Pretty well?
Speaker 2: Now, some things by intuition, some things by learning the
Speaker 2: hard way.
Speaker 1: So you've got a pretty you know, and when you
Speaker 1: tell you just have to see it, you just you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much of a world.
Speaker 1: How the fuck did you give too much of that
Speaker 1: away because there isn't that much happening.
Speaker 2: Two kids mumble and watch television.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well there's the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah sorry spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I I I am sure because I have
Speaker 1: heard others say that they enjoyed it and they thought
Speaker 1: it was well done. I meant to talk to Elizabeth
Speaker 1: about this because I believe she saw it and had
Speaker 1: something positive to say, and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I do not obviously Send Help.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've so we got.
Speaker 1: We went to to movies.
Speaker 2: Yes, we got to have a little date night and
Speaker 2: actually go to the movies, which you and I don't do.
Speaker 2: Nears oftens, I.
Speaker 1: Would like, we don't, and I have a wonderful movie
Speaker 1: theater not far from here at all, exactly. I loved
Speaker 1: going to the reclining seats and all that when.
Speaker 2: You were doing your classes on Saturdays. That's when I
Speaker 2: used to take myself to the movies a lot and
Speaker 2: I got to see stuff. So I was missing that.
Speaker 2: So we actually got and we went on opening night,
Speaker 2: we went and saw.
Speaker 1: Send Help, Yes, with Rachel McAdams. Yes, I liked it
Speaker 1: a lot, and I was I.
Speaker 2: Knew I would like it. I wasn't sure how you
Speaker 2: would like it because it is a Sam Raimi film,
Speaker 2: and I from what I understood, it was to be
Speaker 2: like Sam Raimi at his Sam raimiist. And what I've
Speaker 2: liked is he has a certain I use the word formula,
Speaker 2: but I don't want that to sound like a negative.
Speaker 2: But there are certain elements that are in every Sam
Speaker 2: Reimi film, but they always work okay, like the fast
Speaker 2: like camera cuts, like the character looked to the left
Speaker 2: and then the camera looks at left and the character
Speaker 2: looks at right and the camera looks at right. Things
Speaker 2: like that. There's always a big gross out moment, uh huh,
Speaker 2: random jump scare.
Speaker 1: It was good, It was very It was good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a twisty little movie. Yeah, it's got some
Speaker 1: nice interesting plot twists. And you know, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Kind of got bullied into wanting to see it because
Speaker 2: they kept showing the trailer on it.
Speaker 1: They did well right on. Peacock keeps having commercials and
Speaker 1: they kept like they bombard you with commercials.
Speaker 2: And you were like, I want to see that, and
Speaker 2: I was like, work, you.
Speaker 1: Get bombarded with these advertised and we kept getting bombarded
Speaker 1: with the advertisement for send Help, And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I would like to go see that, and I was like, all,
Speaker 1: I bet yeah, And it was like the nine o'clock
Speaker 1: show and the theater was empty or nine thirty show,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Yeah, the theater was damn near empty.
Speaker 1: The seven o'clock was full.
Speaker 2: Right, it was a fun little movie date night, even
Speaker 2: though it was like two degrees.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was this right after the big snow, right after enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's was the Friday, the following Friday,
Speaker 1: that was it. Yeah, but we were still only driving
Speaker 1: your car today. You know. I just got my car
Speaker 1: out right, and I still had to drive it over mountains.
Speaker 1: It's very slowly melted, very slowly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What else where are we? Oh? Yeah, I've been I
Speaker 1: have been binging Chicago. I'm on Chicago Fire now, Yes
Speaker 1: I did, I did, I maybe way all the way
Speaker 1: through Chicago p D. And I'm up to date.
Speaker 2: Yes. So now when new episodes come out, you have
Speaker 2: to care again.
Speaker 1: I have to care again. But Chicago Fire came first,
Speaker 1: and then Chicago p D and then the last one
Speaker 1: in Chicago Met so I started with the PD one.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in Chicago Fire now I care, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in it season six and I'm not halfway through.
Speaker 2: Right, and you're realizing how many crossover episodes they were.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they do them frequently in that particular hemisphere
Speaker 1: of the dick Wolf universe.
Speaker 2: Yes. And then when they cross over with n y.
Speaker 1: Yeah they do.
Speaker 2: Then it's like with like SPU and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Like goddamn more than once, more than once. Olivia Benson
Speaker 1: has come out to Chicago and Hank Void has coming
Speaker 1: over to New York and yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Like two snakes eating their own tail. We're eating each
Speaker 2: other's tail. I don't know that is.
Speaker 1: Hmm. But yeah, because I wondered why uh a patha. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had such a small role on Chicago p D.
Speaker 1: She's got a huge role in Chicago Med. Right, but
Speaker 1: she shows upright also right on Chicago p D.
Speaker 2: Like they spend all that money.
Speaker 1: Right now now, it's a bit, right, it's a big role.
Speaker 1: But then they all make side money because they're all
Speaker 1: in each other's business like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, once you once you get one dick Wolf check.
Speaker 1: Seriously, if that man likes you, you're set, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't like you, he'll kill him. Yep,
Speaker 1: that one does go on right, not wanna go fired,
Speaker 1: but it's entertaining as hell. It is learning more and
Speaker 1: more about the fire department.
Speaker 2: The Chicago series, they are definitely more of the emotional bent, like.
Speaker 1: Your character driven, more moments of you know, yes, more
Speaker 1: tier jerkie. We mentioned that that they in.
Speaker 2: The fact that your a big SAP helps I am. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not that you're a bigger SAP
Speaker 2: than me.
Speaker 1: I am anyway, and and you know, God helped me.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the rituals just get me every time,
Speaker 1: you know. And and of course the firemen have it too,
Speaker 1: like when a firefighter dies and they all line up
Speaker 1: and they present arms and they do the salute, and
Speaker 1: oh my god, you become a weak lit every time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody ever wrote a song called Fuck the Fire Department.
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Don't want to watch the PD one. There's these other ones,
Speaker 1: you know that. You can watch the hospital one, you
Speaker 1: can watch the fire one.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if there was a song called
Speaker 2: Fuck the Fire Department. But it's a different context entirely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, And it's not a song. It's a movie, right,
Speaker 1: I wanna let's start it as a calendar. Yes, I
Speaker 1: wish I could write I did notice that I don't.
Speaker 1: There's beautiful casts and beautiful guest stars, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yeh, if you go by the show, there are
Speaker 2: no unattractive people in Chicago.
Speaker 1: That right, right, very few, very few, and yeah some
Speaker 1: of them are just like, wait a minute, right, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you know, disturbingly attractive people.
Speaker 2: Like even the least attracted, like the least attractive people
Speaker 2: in the show are still.
Speaker 1: Like handsome, right right right, yeah, it's just like, dear god,
Speaker 1: but it's been fun, you know, because the weather's been
Speaker 1: cold exactly, and you know it's filled time. So I'm
Speaker 1: I've got lots and lots to go. Yes, what is
Speaker 1: this about? Becoming?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just I put here a stream becoming
Speaker 2: again because Orange fuck Wit posted that horrible, racist ass
Speaker 2: video of the Obamas. Yep, and that's all I'm going
Speaker 2: to say about that. So my response to that is
Speaker 2: to tell everyone stream Becoming.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, exactly, very hopeful, wonderful film about Michelle Obama. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the Winter Olympics are they're happening, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Winter Olympics are happening. Apparently. The opening ceremony
Speaker 2: was very cool. Mariah Carey sang, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of queer athletes who are kicking ass and taking names,
Speaker 2: but we haven't really watched them because you're stuck in
Speaker 2: Chicago and I'm busy.
Speaker 1: Yeah at work. Well right, and it's just like a
Speaker 1: I like the Olympics. I like sometimes like figure skating
Speaker 1: and ice dancing and things like that.
Speaker 2: I like to watch that, But they love to show curling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: Curling is not a sport. Curling is housework on.
Speaker 1: Ice, exactly exactly. I can watch myself vacuum mine, thank you,
Speaker 1: and that's no bad. It's just cold vacuuming. That's what
Speaker 1: it looks like.
Speaker 2: It's like you're sweeping after a room. But that's what
Speaker 2: that looks like.
Speaker 1: Right, Teaching it how to I don't know, do what stuff.
Speaker 1: It's weird yeah to my fan, yeah, but some of
Speaker 1: it it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love figure skating, I love ice dancing. I
Speaker 2: love speed skating. I love the speed jumping. I love snowboarding,
Speaker 2: bob sledding and the loge. Those are the things I like.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all okay, yeah, yeah, I'm just it's all
Speaker 1: sports ball to me. Yeah, most, but no, I mean
Speaker 1: figure skating if we knew when that was.
Speaker 2: I think of the luge and it makes me it
Speaker 2: reminds me of that I've seen it. It reminds me
Speaker 2: that Robin Williams bit like, that's like what crazy Austrian
Speaker 2: came up with it. It's like I'll stick in an ice
Speaker 2: skate up my ass and wear a skin tight onesie
Speaker 2: and go flying down the.
Speaker 1: Slough of it.
Speaker 2: Basically, it's like how do you steer? They'll do kekels
Speaker 2: ye well, and as far as I can tell, that's
Speaker 2: what that is basically.
Speaker 1: Basically. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't have a story. I'm not
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the Olympics, but I only like the things
Speaker 2: that I like.
Speaker 1: So it's competition and it's just now that.
Speaker 2: The big thing is apparently some white boy did a
Speaker 2: backflip and everyone's losing their ship. It like that's the
Speaker 2: first time that any figure skater has ever done a backflip.
Speaker 2: Like Sarria Boni Ley didn't do it like thirty goddamn
Speaker 2: years ago, but she was black, so no one cares. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when she did it. It immediately became disqualified because whenever a
Speaker 2: black athlete does some shit that everybody else can't do,
Speaker 2: they disqualify the shit. So no fair, that was right,
Speaker 2: so fair that was the big thing.
Speaker 1: It's not fair. I'm worthless, right?
Speaker 2: And I saw the still shots and his back flip
Speaker 2: wasn't even as fierce as hers, and she landed on
Speaker 2: one fucking foot, so anywhow wow, wearing fierce blue eyeshadow.
Speaker 1: There you go, him or her she was, And then they.
Speaker 2: Gave her silver. I remember this, I watched this in
Speaker 2: real time. Yeah, she did that shit. And then they
Speaker 2: gave her silver, and they gave some bitch that she
Speaker 2: was better than the gold. And she stood there and
Speaker 2: she snatched her or her metal off her off her neck,
Speaker 2: and she just stood there while they booed her. And
Speaker 2: she was like what right? I loved that woman and
Speaker 2: they did her so dirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, shouldn't be surprised, not but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of sports ball.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the the thing that happens before and after
Speaker 2: the concert.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what's it called the It was the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was going to say that the dish
Speaker 2: that's great or something.
Speaker 1: This was Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 2: Yees, super Bowl sixty. It was what was it the Falcons.
Speaker 1: And the Patriots don't? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe and the Falcons won?
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I know that the New England Patriots didn't, right,
Speaker 1: which was really all I cared. I didn't really know
Speaker 1: what the other team was. Okay, well they.
Speaker 2: Won, yes, but bad Bunny was the halftime show.
Speaker 1: We did watch that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was wonderful.
Speaker 1: It was wonderful, and I you know, I knew it
Speaker 1: was going to be well done. A lot of storytelling,
Speaker 1: a lot of symbolism.
Speaker 2: That you could find, right, I love and like they're
Speaker 2: still talking about it, so like it starts off in
Speaker 2: like the sugar cane field, and then come to find
Speaker 2: out that each of the bushes that made up the
Speaker 2: sugar cane a person was a person in a costume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they walked out and I guess sat or dropped
Speaker 1: the costume in place.
Speaker 2: They just stood brought the whole field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible, And.
Speaker 2: Like that's fabulous for two things, one aesthetically and two
Speaker 2: practically because it's a lot easier for one hundred motherfuckers
Speaker 2: to just go out there and stand than for one
Speaker 2: hundred people to with a hundred bushes to go out
Speaker 2: there place exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that was brilliant, right, And the more we heard,
Speaker 1: you know, the more it was like, oh wow.
Speaker 2: And it was like all like just little bits of
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican culture, like all up and through, like the
Speaker 2: paragua stand, the nail salon, and the the dudes climbing
Speaker 2: the electric poles, which was like commentary on famous treatment
Speaker 2: of Puerto Rico places still don't have, right, Like, it
Speaker 2: was fierce, it was, and fucking Cardi B was just
Speaker 2: like sprinkled in amongst the dancers.
Speaker 1: And found that out later.
Speaker 2: And Ricky Martin.
Speaker 1: Was there, yeah, and Gaga Gaga performed, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was good. I broke them, Oh it did. It
Speaker 1: broke them. They had to have their own little side
Speaker 1: show because they were so upsets.
Speaker 2: Side show indeed.
Speaker 1: About it being in Spanish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had.
Speaker 1: That was part of why they were upset, right.
Speaker 2: And they had what they called an all American halftime.
Speaker 1: He's American, which is what was you know, they don't
Speaker 1: like to be called stupid.
Speaker 2: But yet but yet. And what cracked me up is
Speaker 2: apparently the headliner of that other the what was it, Clanchella.
Speaker 1: It's been called Yes, Clanchella, I like that so much better.
Speaker 2: He basically lip synced his way through his performance.
Speaker 1: I know. And then he got all upset when people
Speaker 1: said that he did.
Speaker 2: And he had the nerve to say, I didn't lip sync.
Speaker 2: My performance was pre recorded but performed live. That's what
Speaker 2: lip syncing is.
Speaker 1: You dip shit, right, that's slip syncing. Chirkol God, like,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Damn it? Talk about a distinction
Speaker 1: without a.
Speaker 2: Difference, right, and then like some other dude did some
Speaker 2: anti trans song, but it was a white boy with
Speaker 2: a guitar, so shocker.
Speaker 1: Wow, folks have lost their minds. Yeah, you know enough
Speaker 1: first of all to do that, right to do that?
Speaker 2: Someone said, you know, them having a separate halftime show
Speaker 2: is really no different than when they went in separate
Speaker 2: water fountains.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, fine, the lone Yeah, But what takes
Speaker 2: me out is they had such a huge The fallout
Speaker 2: from the Bad Bunny Show is they're trying to investigate it,
Speaker 2: like there's an investigation. Congressman calls for investigation into Bad
Speaker 2: Bunny halftime show over widespreading Yes, yes, I heard that.
Speaker 2: It just cracks me up. Children were forced to endure
Speaker 2: explicit displays of gay sexual acts. Women gyrating provocatively bad
Speaker 2: bunny shamelessly grabbing his crotch while dry humping the air.
Speaker 1: Do you see how they can see pornography and everything,
Speaker 1: just everything. First of all, it's like, I guess that's
Speaker 1: you got to that's what you're looking for. I guess.
Speaker 1: So there was about gay sex that they think more
Speaker 1: about gay sex any of the gay people I know
Speaker 1: having gay sex.
Speaker 2: Thank you. There was a sequence where there was a
Speaker 2: bunch of women who were dancing and there was a
Speaker 2: little bit of toork action going on, but it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, the Latin culture is very hip centered. Sorry
Speaker 2: about it. I'm sorry that scares you, but you know
Speaker 2: when you come from a heritage where they had to
Speaker 2: put table claws on tables because motherfucker's getting turned on
Speaker 2: by the table legs. Anyway, there was a moment where
Speaker 2: there were two guys who were dancing together.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, and I mean a moment, yeah, moment, and
Speaker 1: what's wrong with them?
Speaker 2: And I'm hearing dancing exactly That's what I'm like, Oh honey,
Speaker 2: that wasn't sex. It's like, tell me, what did I say?
Speaker 2: Tell me? That you are like door closed, shades, drawn
Speaker 2: penis through the flap missionary without saying so right exactly.
Speaker 1: We knew you put the lights on with then Yeah, crazy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. They did their stupid little show that I
Speaker 1: had tens of fives of people I think watched. H
Speaker 1: there was you know what was Originally they were saying
Speaker 1: about five million as compared to the one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five million or so that's all Bad Bunny something like that,
Speaker 1: which sounds right. Yeah, it was good, it was well done,
Speaker 1: it was well done, it was art. It's pathetic that
Speaker 1: you know they had to do this or wanted to
Speaker 1: do this at all, but you know, that's where we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And basically it was like Bad Bunny's halftime show
Speaker 2: was for Latin folks, as Kendrick's show last year was
Speaker 2: for black folks. Okay, And I'm like, yeah, that sounds right.
Speaker 2: The symbolism and spectacle. Yeah, one hundred and thirty five
Speaker 2: point four million viewers for Bad Bunny. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: number is bigger now because the people streaming.
Speaker 1: After the Oh this was a different number. Bad Bunny
Speaker 1: has ninety point five million Spotify listeners compared to Kid
Speaker 1: Rock's five point three million Spotify listeners.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and they're trying to talk about how bad Bunny's
Speaker 2: lyrics are are profane, Like.
Speaker 1: First of all, you know who has profane lyrics?
Speaker 2: Kid Rock?
Speaker 1: Uh huh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who has a whole song about underage girls?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, it's a prerequisite.
Speaker 2: Yeahthing like that. They call it statutory. I call it mandatoratory. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why, that's why Trump loves him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, show crazy shit and crazy shit. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we watched the actual halftime show. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: well done. I agree, this turning point bullshit was terrible.
Speaker 1: I will never see it, of course, so who knows.
Speaker 2: And they couldn't even stream it as many places as
Speaker 2: they wanted because they forgot to ask permission for the
Speaker 2: licensing for the music to put it on their own
Speaker 2: goddamn website.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go to YouTube. Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: didn't get permission, dumb asses.
Speaker 2: I know. Well, they didn't even have a lineup until
Speaker 2: like three weeks before.
Speaker 1: And shit, right, it's crazy what they lose their minds over.
Speaker 1: And yet pedophilia, right, school shootings, rape, yeah, right, sexual assault?
Speaker 1: Just you know, boys will be boys boys will be boys,
Speaker 1: and that's where we are.
Speaker 2: Chaw.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I couldn't tell you anything about the football
Speaker 1: game that was before and after that whole thing because
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it, or.
Speaker 2: The tight pants running contest. I believe I.
Speaker 1: Called it, yeah that year, right exactly. I mean we
Speaker 1: watched it all the way through when it was like
Speaker 1: the Eagles and ship. But I know, right, but if
Speaker 1: it's not the home team.
Speaker 2: I don't think I knew who was playing until the
Speaker 2: night of I did.
Speaker 1: I came out so I would never have to pretend again,
Speaker 1: I know. Never you want to. You want to stop
Speaker 1: a conversation about football quick, because it's a thing that
Speaker 1: people do. So how about them birds? Is that the
Speaker 1: one with the oddly shaped.
Speaker 2: Ball and the big H?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Stop them? Every time?
Speaker 2: Is the H for? Like, hey, we're playing football? Or
Speaker 2: like what's that about?
Speaker 1: I just don't care. I don't care. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: that happened. I think we got it all off our spirits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah for now. Okay, let's let's get some podcast business
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