WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.719 Hey, here I am with Margaret Schwartz in New York, 2 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:27.760 The Modern Antiquarian. Thank you so much for joining us. 3 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:32.000 So I'm really glad to have you on. And I 4 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:35.600 watched some of your interviews and I think, didn't I 5 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.119 see somewhere where you said you became an antique dealer 6 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.359 in one day? 7 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:42.799 Yes, thank you for having me on the show. 8 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.280 Yes, I became an antique dealer, like purely by accident. 9 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.880 He had gone to London for a family trip, so 10 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:52.920 I had done my semester broad there and I was 11 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.600 just looking for something different to do. So I reached 12 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:58.759 out to the Antiques Diva and they offer these antiques 13 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.479 tours over Europe. Look, I don't think I wouldn't buy anything, 14 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.239 but I'm curious about this, if there's any availability. It 15 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:06.680 was very close to the trip. I was like, if there's 16 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.840 any availability, I'd love to do this. My mom is 17 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.760 interested too, So they made some time for me and 18 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.680 we went on a one day tour, and again not 19 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:19.079 thinking I would buy a single thing, I ended up. 20 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.120 The first thing that I bought was actually a chandelier 21 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.280 for myself, a Morano chandelier that had these. 22 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:24.040 Oh yeah beautiful. 23 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:27.680 It was these beautiful lavender colored glass pieces. 24 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:29.959 So I was like, oh, yeah, that's this is great. 25 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.000 So what they call it once you've made your first 26 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.719 purchase over there they call it they say you've broken 27 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.879 your duck, which I have no idea. 28 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:40.519 There's a quirky British sayings. 29 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.040 And after that, yeah, the dam had broken and I 30 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:46.480 ended up it was a long day. 31 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.799 I ended up filling a twenty foot container in a day. 32 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.280 Oh my goodness, Oh wow, you caught the bug quick. 33 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.680 So I just want to talk the Morano chandelier I 34 00:01:57.799 --> 00:01:59.879 was in for a while. I was in California and 35 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.599 the Bay Area, and I was in the original founder 36 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:09.280 of Victoria's Secrets home and he had this Morano chandelier, 37 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:11.520 like you couldn't believe. It was huge, and I had 38 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.280 to take that thing down. I was involved in that. 39 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.919 Oh my god, I can't That must have been very 40 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.240 hard to pack in the container. They're very tricky and 41 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.599 very fragile. You have to take them all apart. 42 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.520 Yes, and you do have to be very careful. But 43 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:27.960 it was a much smaller one, so it wasn't it 44 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.280 wasn't terrible. Each individual glass piece did have to be 45 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.719 taken off and wrapped and all of that, but it 46 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.280 really could sit in a box, in a couple of boxes, 47 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.319 the actual frame of the chandelier and the glass. So anyway, 48 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.639 that one wasn't terrible. I had a lot more pieces 49 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:41.879 that were a bit trickier. 50 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.439 Now, when you first started, you're talking about feeling container. 51 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.759 Was a lot of it for yourself or did you say, no, 52 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:51.639 I'm going to do this for a business. 53 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.400 So I had a store at the time, and it 54 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.280 was mostly new production pieces lines like Worlds Away into 55 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.520 his Company and all of that. And I had always. 56 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.759 Liked vintage and antique pieces, but I. 57 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.080 Don't have a degree in that. I never felt comfortable 58 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.800 with it. But when I was on that trip, I 59 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.879 was just like, you know what, I'll figure it out. 60 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:12.680 I'll just have to figure it out because there's no 61 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:14.759 way in leaving the stuff behind. It's way too special, 62 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.719 way too interesting, and so since and that was and 63 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.120 it was actually like a week. 64 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:25.479 Before my thirtieth birthday. I oh, wow, yeah, so it's again. 65 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.919 I totally fell into it. But yeah, I put. 66 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.000 Everything out on the floor, and I will tell you 67 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:34.080 that I made every mistake in the book. I still 68 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:35.400 do continue to make. 69 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.879 Yeah, yeah, there's the old saying that antique dealers learned 70 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.360 by their mistakes, and that was good to ask you 71 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:47.280 about that, because you know, when you're beginning, especially when 72 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.280 you're starting, it's so hard to tell. And people are 73 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.159 really good at I'm sure I'm making something look old 74 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:55.680 that's not. They're really good at that. 75 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.199 They are, And every now and again, I'll still I'll 76 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.080 make a mistake. I've transitioned away from furniture into more 77 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.280 garden antiques, and the age of those are a little 78 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.919 harder to fake. A Tina in the medal and all 79 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:10.439 of that, but yeah, still happens. 80 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:13.039 Yeah. I just totally fell in love with it. 81 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.720 And when I put everything out on the floor, I 82 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.399 didn't price anything the right way. I foss as much 83 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.600 as I should have. I just followed the old school 84 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:27.360 retail pricing structure, which is it wasn't a true Keystone 85 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.319 markup right. I didn't just double the price, but I 86 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.839 did the two and a half like a new Keystone markup, 87 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:37.120 and that was a disaster. System might not make any money, 88 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.279 so I it was just it was so silly. I 89 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.079 just dove into this, and thank god I had people 90 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.120 helping me out. So the Antiquesteva, Tom mclarkanes and Gal McCloud. 91 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:47.439 I stayed in touch with. 92 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:52.000 Them and they were very generous with me, offering advice 93 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.439 and wisdom and from kind of basic business things down 94 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.680 to understanding what I was looking at. 95 00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:59.879 So I really very fortunate. 96 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.639 I think that's a really good point to bring up, 97 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.720 because if someone's new and getting into it, I always 98 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.160 suggest that if you're in an auction or whatever, you 99 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:13.199 see someone buy something really interesting that interests you. A 100 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:16.360 lot of times people love to share the history and 101 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.319 why it's what they bought and why they paid what 102 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.759 they did for it. Sometimes people will say no, like 103 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.439 they're protective and they want to protect their knowledge or whatever. 104 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.160 But more often than not, people will be glad to 105 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.480 share their knowledge, and I think it's a good thing 106 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:32.680 I do. 107 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.959 I am not a proprominent of gatekeeping at all. That's 108 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.720 just not how I operate. That's just in my life. 109 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.120 I don't think that's beneficial to anyone. So I am 110 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.800 willing to share whatever knowledge I have. But I will say, 111 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.079 in addition to the Anti Siva team, the people who 112 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.120 have taught me the most are the collectors. Like they're 113 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.279 so addressed with their knowledge, and I'm so appreciative of that. 114 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.759 They're so focused in whatever it is they collect, and 115 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:04.000 you know, and so something I bring up a number 116 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.600 of times too is how fakes and reproductions can really 117 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.560 sour someone that's new, and so it's really good advice 118 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.600 to talk to someone that seasoned that can tell you 119 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.720 what to look for. I bring up every once in 120 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.879 a while. Cast iron mechanical banks, for one, they're so 121 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.319 good at faking them. You can't really tell. The only 122 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.879 thing you can do is put them and measure them. 123 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:35.639 If they're a little tiny bit smaller than the patent size, 124 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.519 then is probably okay. But if they're exactly that size, 125 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.279 cast iron shrinks over time, so if they're exactly that size, 126 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.079 then you probably got a reproduction. It's so hard to tell. 127 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:47.639 They're so good at it all the way. 128 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.279 And one of the things that people have been frustrated 129 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.879 with is lead working with lead pieces, because there's so 130 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.160 many have the stakes in it right, and if you're 131 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.759 if you're not aware of what led how that should betina, 132 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.000 it really does put you off because they do these 133 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:09.079 faux finishes that look very natural, but it's an alloy 134 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.279 underneath and somebody, a friend of mine, a dealer friend 135 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:14.519 of mine, is she does not focus on garden. But 136 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.680 she had these fantastic peacocks, these huge peacocks that were 137 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.560 so beautiful, these garden ornaments, and she said that they 138 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.839 were and I looked at her and I was like, 139 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:25.680 I started to pick it up, and I was like, 140 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.319 there is absolutely no way that this is let. There's 141 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.319 just not And I started talking to her about it. 142 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:33.439 I was like, look, there's oxidation right here. 143 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:34.360 I was like, you can. 144 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.160 See the alloy, cast iron, whatever it is, right underneath it. 145 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.800 That doesn't happen, That doesn't happen of the age that 146 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:43.800 they're saying it is, which it's not. I was like, 147 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.120 the crown, the crest on the peacock would be melted right, 148 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.319 it was fall over on itself. And I was like, 149 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:51.519 there are just certain identifiers with lead that you really 150 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.399 need to be pay attention to. And I was like, 151 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.240 and not least of which is that this is not 152 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.439 nearly as heavy as it would be if it were lead. Right, 153 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:01.560 It's so heavy for its size. So she was like, 154 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.439 oh my gosh, thank you for explaining this to me. 155 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.120 And it was an honest mistake. She didn't know so, 156 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.879 and again, I make honest mistakes all the time, so 157 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.680 it's a bit it could be tricky, but I'm glad 158 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.480 that I am able to share that knowledge with people 159 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.680 so they know what they're getting into. And they were 160 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.199 still fabulous, and there were these beautiful, wonderful decorative pieces. 161 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.519 But she needed that knowledge to understand what. 162 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:23.560 The material was so that whoever she sold it to 163 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:25.120 understood how to care for them. 164 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.959 Wow, in northern California, I haven't seen in a lot 165 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:34.000 of places, but the antique dealers out there they prize 166 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:37.240 what they call rusticated and it's a misuse of the term, 167 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.720 but it just means something that has oxidation and say 168 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:43.960 a gardener and or something like that. It's all rested 169 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.039 and they say, ooh, it's nice to be rusticated. 170 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.039 You know, comes from the metal and that's the origin, right, 171 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.960 that's the problem that is about how metal ages, and 172 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.360 now it's more broadly used. 173 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.000 But yeah, yeah, But so garden furniture is really interesting. 174 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.840 I had a beautiful set of French garden chairs from 175 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.320 the late eighteen hundreds that were just absolutely very ornate 176 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.600 wrought iron and they were had this beautiful green patina 177 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.279 on I mean it was original, and boy, I tell 178 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.639 you what, some people there's a lot of demand for them, 179 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.679 because when I ended up putting them in auction, they 180 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.399 did really well. Can you tell me what are the 181 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.360 type of pieces that you really like to deal with 182 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:25.080 that excite you. 183 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.919 So I have really been loving the Four Seasons, the 184 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.039 different models of the Four Seasons. Oh yes, it's yeah, 185 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.000 not something that everybody knows and understands, so there isn't 186 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.120 quite as much education, but there are and they're prolific. Right, 187 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:42.600 you can get you know, you can probably get them 188 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:43.600 at home depot right now. 189 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.159 But it's true. I got to be aware, so there's 190 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.080 education there. 191 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:53.159 But I found this fabulous set of terra cotta Four Seasons. 192 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:55.519 There were life size, there were taller than I am, 193 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.039 and so beautifully molded and modeled, and if they had 194 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.799 shrouds on them right Winter had her head covered. It 195 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.559 was just this very unique style. So I've been interested 196 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.799 in finding more like a different variety than there's a classic, 197 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.159 like the typical neoclassical kind of styles that you see. 198 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:16.440 So that's been really fun. 199 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.200 But like the Arris furniture you're talking about from France, 200 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.480 late nineteenth century, the aris urture is always a cellar people. 201 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.320 I always love that they're beautifully made, But as you. 202 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.440 Were saying before, there are many that are reproduction. 203 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.679 And have this fake patina on them, which is it's 204 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.919 easier for us to tell, so I can avoid them 205 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:40.120 when I'm buying, but knowing the difference in eras based 206 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:41.759 on the feet what those look like. 207 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:43.759 So the ARUs is wonderful. 208 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.600 And then I will tell you My biggest sellers are 209 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:47.000 things that kind of keep the lights on. 210 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:52.879 Are those little stone garden animals right, the frogs? Yeah, yeah, 211 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:54.039 deer and all of that. 212 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.159 So that's what I sell year round constantly. 213 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.559 That really that covers my fences. 214 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.720 Now. Also, I've heard people use the term cast stone, 215 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.519 which basically yes, cement, yeah, is that something that you use? 216 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.200 Or it was a cast stone, marble de latte. 217 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.440 There are different definitions, right, So castone is actually where 218 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.440 it's a limestone base, so that will be heavier than 219 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.679 different kind of reconstituted composite stone, so that will be heavier. 220 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.639 Marble de lata uses a marble base which wasn't used 221 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.240 in Italy but really had a big resurgence in or 222 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.200 I say big, but a resurgence in the mid century 223 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.720 mid twentieth century in England. There were a lot of 224 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.240 pieces made there, so it's interesting to see these materials 225 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:44.279 weave in and out of history. But there are differences. 226 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.559 The marble de latte castone, there are serious differences. 227 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:48.200 And then there's. 228 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.960 Codestone, which is a totally different material that was created 229 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.000 I think in the nineteenth century. I think your name 230 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.799 was eleanor Code, so there's a lot of different things. 231 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.000 That's what the lions in Travaldor Square are codestone. 232 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.200 Now do you ever deal with garden fountains? 233 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:04.840 I do. 234 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.960 I'm getting into those now and I prefer the cast 235 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:08.480 iron ones. 236 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:09.320 I really like those. 237 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.159 But I found a marble de latte one recently that 238 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.480 was just so spectacular I couldn't pass it up. 239 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:16.399 And I found this. 240 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:21.480 Incredible terra cotta fountain which was so beautiful. It has 241 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.200 this swan motif right the base is the swan, and 242 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.720 I can't resist to swan motifs. So for just that one, 243 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.799 and yeah, I'm definitely getting more and more into them. 244 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:35.600 But I will say I tend to avoid some of 245 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.480 the neoclassical styles, like the pouti and any of the 246 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.559 of that, so I do avoid that, but yeah, that 247 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.360 there are plenty of other styles for me to be 248 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:44.960 interested in. 249 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.480 So now I have to say, recently I looked on 250 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:53.639 Facebook Marketplace and I saw a four season set, a 251 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.840 really nice one and for seven or ten thousand dollars 252 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:57.360 or something. 253 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:00.960 Yeah, yeah, they yeah, they are really senses of that 254 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.840 terra cotta set that I have. Is in my research, 255 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:06.080 I have not come across a single other set like 256 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.879 it in scale and in detail, like the quality of 257 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.639 everything a condition. Those set of those four seasons are 258 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.039 very expensive. I think they're the most expensive things I've 259 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.519 ever had, but but they're. 260 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.480 Beautiful. Now, speaking of Facebook Marketplace, I wanted to get 261 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.679 your take on that because I got to tell you 262 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:30.840 see the painting behind me, Yes, that is that's a 263 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:36.000 circle of Marillo sixteen seventies, the Young Fruit Seller. It's 264 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:40.440 a circle of It's after But anyway, that was, and 265 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:44.840 that's a hand woven, very early canvas. The frame is bad, 266 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.039 it's been reframed in a terrible frame. But that was 267 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.919 on Facebook Marketplace as a print, and it's such a 268 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.200 it's such a it's almost addictive to get on that. 269 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.639 For someone like myself, I don't know. Do you ever 270 00:13:58.720 --> 00:13:59.240 look at that? 271 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.759 And anytime I do so, I would love to ask 272 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:05.000 when did you purchase that on Facebook Marketplace? 273 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:06.960 Was this recent or was this five years ago? 274 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:10.200 Nope, this was two years ago. It was I live 275 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.799 in the winters in South Carolina and that was only 276 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.000 half hour away in Savannah, so I went over and 277 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:16.600 picked it up. 278 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:17.879 Amazing. 279 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.679 That is the dream, right that you find these kind 280 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.200 of spectacular things when somebody doesn't know truly what they 281 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.559 have or is interested in it. I dru's Facebook Marketplace 282 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.639 all the time, but I will say the knowledge is 283 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:33.720 out there now, right, like people. 284 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.679 Are more aware of value and. 285 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.600 Especially regionally, what things are going for. So I was 286 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.559 looking what was it? I think somebody had a fountain 287 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:46.240 that was just so spectacular and it was like fifteen 288 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.720 thousand dollars on Facebook Marketplace. So people are on and 289 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.679 she was a professional dealer, right, and people also are 290 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.120 listing on Facebook marketplace. But even just somebody clearing out 291 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.120 their house, they had a swan planter listed for I 292 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.360 think it was three hundre dollars. Like, I can't there's 293 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.039 not margin in that for me, not enough even if 294 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:08.159 I were able to negotiate them down, so it's it 295 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:09.360 can be tricky, but every. 296 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.759 Now and again, you know that's some good vines. 297 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.200 And I do the pieces in person because sometimes they'll 298 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.279 say it's been dish or whatever, but it's clearly maybe 299 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:18.360 yesterday I thought of things. 300 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.360 Yeah, it's always good to look in person. And I 301 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:23.919 have to say you're right about that, because I've noticed 302 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.879 if something's really good, it's instantly gone. Yeah, and there's 303 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:31.559 a lot. But when I first started looking a couple 304 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.720 of years ago, when I bought that piece behind me, 305 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:38.240 it was much easier to find something. And now everybody's 306 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:39.919 and I've told a lot of my friends in the 307 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.480 antiques world, hey, you got to check out marketplace. And 308 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.000 I have a friend of mine, we're joking all the time. 309 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:49.240 He had owns a pretty sizable auction gallery and he's saying, 310 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.240 we have to go to rehab because we're always on 311 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:57.399 Facebook marketplace subject. Yeah. But and I looked when I 312 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.360 was on some I've forgot a Caribbean island this enter 313 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.600 and I saw I send them a picture of a 314 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.120 chicken for sale and this is what you get down here. 315 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.039 But no, it's a fun tool and it's always now 316 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.480 I want to go back to just it's great to 317 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:18.480 get a really good find. I personally, as an appraiser, 318 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.519 if I go into a place and something is marked 319 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.840 a price, I'll buy it. But I don't go into 320 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.519 a place and say, oh that, what do you want 321 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:30.360 for that? Over there? They have to have a price 322 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.360 already for it, because you just have to. It's like 323 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.080 a code of ethics in a way. You have to 324 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:35.480 be carried. 325 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:38.600 Yeah, I agree, you're talking about having everything marked. Is 326 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:39.840 that or what's you know? 327 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.240 Yeah, if someone marks a price and I'm a willing buyer, 328 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.639 I'm just going to buy it. But I'm not going 329 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.919 to go in and say to someone look at something 330 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.279 that's worth ten thousand dollars and say to someone, hey, 331 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:53.080 I'll give you fifty dollars work, And that's criminal in 332 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:54.000 a way for me. 333 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:57.639 It was the story. 334 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.240 I think it was in I think maybe it was 335 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.480 in North Carotte. I can't remember where it was, but 336 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:04.039 there was a teapot there. Do you remember the story 337 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:07.400 from the Yeah, it was this. 338 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:09.240 Very rare anti caach pot. 339 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.039 I think in England. Yeah, I think the buyer was 340 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.759 in England and they went in and this very extremely 341 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.599 rare American teapot was for was listed at like twenty 342 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:23.160 pounds or something, and they offered eighteen something like that, 343 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.440 something like a start crazy, and then they sold it 344 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.079 for I think six figures. 345 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:28.599 Now I would not do that. 346 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.759 I would pay the twenty eight pounds and rush on. 347 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.400 Out of there. Almost. You know, you feel bad for 348 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:33.880 that person. 349 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.480 Do you give them some of the suns that were 350 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.599 there's I'm sure most people would say no, that's absurd, 351 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.640 but I think I would feel guilty, just not especially 352 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:44.720 if I bid on it right. 353 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.599 Well, my dad had a story where he went on 354 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.799 a second generation. He was at a yard sale basically, 355 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:57.519 and he saw two beautiful lightship nantucket baskets or ten 356 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:03.039 dollars apiece, and so he said to the woman, he said, hey, 357 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:04.920 I can put them in one of my auctions and 358 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:06.839 do really well. She said, you want to buy him 359 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.680 or not. So he buys them, and he puts them 360 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:13.240 in one of his own auctions and they bring something 361 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:15.200 like eight hundred dollars. This is back when that was 362 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:19.000 real money. So he goes back to the house with 363 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.119 a couple hundred dollars to give to the woman and 364 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.319 she starts screaming and yelling at him, telling him to 365 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:23.720 get out. 366 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.200 Oh my god, where was this? I have to ask? 367 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:31.839 Where was in Maine? This was in Maine, southern May Yeah, yeah, okay, 368 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.200 So I don't know what she thought he was trying 369 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.039 to do when he was bringing back the money. 370 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.079 But I would be more like your father if that 371 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.359 were to If I were ever in that situation, I 372 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:44.480 think it would feel a sense of obligation to the 373 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:46.039 person that I bought it from. 374 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.720 Hopefully, there are so many stories, aren't there. You hear 375 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.440 all these stories from people that are collectors. And one 376 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.079 of the things I think is nice or that we 377 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.119 may be losing a little bit of and just wanted 378 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:00.960 to hear your take on it is I grew up 379 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.880 long before the internet, and I was at this from 380 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.440 a very young age, and I was out there and 381 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.759 the stories that you have with these pieces, that makes 382 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.640 it all part of the fun. And then you get 383 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.039 online and it's just click and you get it in 384 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.559 the mail, and I just I think it loses some 385 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.960 of that and just wanted your take on. You said 386 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.359 just a minute ago that you like examining things in person, 387 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:27.559 and to me, that's all part of the story and 388 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:29.599 part of what you're doing and you're out there, So 389 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:33.680 what do you think about online? I know you probably 390 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.920 sell online. I know you do. I saw you. But 391 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.839 what do you think as far as you being a collector? 392 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.240 How that the different? 393 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.119 Since we're in the industry, You and I want the 394 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.079 story and when I saw so, I do the Round 395 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:49.519 Top Show down in Texas. 396 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.839 Oh, I love that show. I've been there, yees. 397 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.200 Yeah, yeah, it's a fun one. The community down there 398 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:55.759 is really great. 399 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:57.000 The community they're so nice. 400 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.599 Yes, yeah, they're really great. We have a time together. 401 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:03.240